Though nothing has been confirmed, there’s good reason to expect a White Walker sequence in season 6 that’s big enough to “break the internet.”
According to an anonymous source quoted at Highlight Hollywood, we can expect an “utter shock” in season 6. “Not only are the dragons going to be massive next season, but viewers are about to learn more about the mysterious creatures from the Lands of Always Winter … I’m sworn to secrecy, but I can assure you, the scenes planned will break the Internet.”
Considering how rare and fleeting White Walker appearances in the books have been thus far (the massacre at Hardhome itself was greatly embellished for the show), the scene is mostly likely either a creation of the show or else an adaptation of a scene from The Winds of Winter or A Dream of Spring. Dare we speculate about a Snow Wight appearance?
In other news, during an interview with Yahoo, Game of Thrones’ Emmy-winning prosthetics supervisor, Barrie Gower, hinted at a VFX challenge that has been put off for two seasons but is expected to finally appear in season 6.
Benioff and Weiss, when they write the outline each year, for last two years, we got to this one point and we read this one gag and thought ‘Oh my God, how the hell are we going to do that? But this is going to be incredible!’ And then it got pulled and we didn’t do it in Season 4,” says Gower. “And then, lo and behold, in Season 5 there it was again. And it’s pulled again! But now, in Season 6, it looks like we’re going to do it. Fingers crossed they won’t chicken out.”
It’s hard to think of a noteworthy visual effect that could have fit interchangeably into the continuity of seasons 4 or 5 or 6 … and even harder to imagine a Westeros-related effect that the show hasn’t done already. Molten gold poured on a man’s head? Shadow baby stabbing a king? Giant knight thumbing out a guy’s eyes and crushing his skull? Woman riding a dragon into the sunset? Those memorable VFX/prosthetic effects were pretty fixed on the Game of Thrones timeline.
There’s also the possibility that this visual effect is a part of the aforementioned White Walker sequence. Surely, a scene that provides unprecedented insight into the world of the Others would call for some pretty spectacular VFX.
Frost Wyrm?
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
What is up with these “you may also like” commercials? They are huge.
I would love to see a scene where The Others just sit down and have a conversation with each other. That would blow my mind.
Ice dragon.
Ice spiders as big as hounds… ice dragons… oh there are so many possibilities! 🙂
I’m assuming that it involves Jon in some way but there’s sooo many ways that they could go with it. It may even be a vision that Bran sees.
The only thing that could “break the Internet” that would involve the Walkers would be the Wall falling down and having the Others invade. While I expect the wall to fall eventually, Season 6 seems way to early if they plan on going 8 seasons. We could possibly get a glimpse at their entire army in the Lands of Always Winter and maybe even ice spiders? That would require a lot of cgi. The person does say “scenes” so there could be more than 1 so who knows.
GeekFurious,
Seriously, like what would they say? Are we finally gonna get their side in all of this?
I can’t remember if it was here or elsewhere, but I saw someone suggest the interchangeable VFX shot could be full-frontal Theon.
I’m not sure it would actually be that difficult. Just need a green sock for Alfie to wear and design whatever image they want; but maybe getting it to match the rest of his body would be tricky.
Could also be a flashback to the War for the Dawn. That could also explain the casting call for the Child of the Forest involved in a big action scene.
My guess is the Wall will fall in one of Sapochnik’s episodes (9 or 10). Has the potential to be one of the most iconic scenes in the series.
Expecting something major with the Walkers is a good bet. They’re all still such a mystery in the books as well and obviously one of the main parts of the story to come. I’m thinking there’s going to be a massive population of them and not just a ‘handful’ that command an undead army.
Hehehe, that was my theory when reading this statement, but I said so half joking ! ^^
My guess, Jon warging Ghost. Could have fit into any of the seasons as in the books. Now it is essential to Jon’s resurrection so it has to be done in season 6…
Damn ads.
I’m glad that we’re gonna see some great things next year, although the whole ‘break the internet’ shlep is getting old. It seems like every actor/director/producer is saying that about most episodes/scenes/commercials/bathroom breaks. Of course, if it affects a character’s ‘agency’…. *dies*
Really though, ice spiders would be awesome…or more Night’s King. Perhaps a musical ‘Be Our Guest’ type of scene where he leads Jon through the world of the Walkers and shows him that all thisssssssss could be hissssss. *tapdance*
I assume the VFX that could show up anywhere from Season 4 to 6 would be something related to Bran’s warging/dreaming/greenseeing.
Or of course Tower of Joy….HYPE!
Steven,
I love that idea!
Coincidence that Jon’s Stabbing was supposed to “break the internet” and now there is a scene with white walkers, that will “break the internet”
Ice dragons, and or Ice spiders, are not going to break the internet. Thats just cool VFX. The wall falling, also is just the wall.
The only way they can “break the internet” is to do something to a beloved character, which there are fewer and fewer of right now.
My money is it has something to do with Jon Snow, or the Starks (going out hunting in winter)
Also, almost 100% certain we will get to see Nymeria’s pack in action next year. In my wildest dreams, she is the one who takes Ramsay down. GRRM said that this giant pack of wolves was not random. They have a role to play for sure.
Hiccup Targaryan,
Why is that essential? I see three ways that JS could “come back”. Only one involves warging.
Davy
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Off the top of my head (no book handy)
Agree? Disagree? Corrections?
Snow Wight? That’s too pantomime! Next it’d be Tyrion becoming….. STOP THERE!
If Jon Snow is going to emerge as something for The Other Side, he’s got to be the next King of Winter.
Would Jon have to go through a process of initiation? He has to defeat a series of totally bad-ass Wight Knights, perhaps. Or….
What if one of those Wight Knights rolled over, let’s say…. Alliser Thorne. Ollie grabs Longclaw and swings….. He misses and that would mean Ollie gets his too. Wight Knight lifts Longclaw and explodes.
What if the guy we’ve seen, Night’s King, then picks up Longclaw…. and…..?
Cue – Jon Snow wakes! His eyes are now….. (Not Ice Blue!)
Season 6 – Episode 7 or 8
Could have been in S4 or S5, now maybe in S6… and break the interwebs? Might involve the Others?
How about the “return” of Benjen Stark?
I’d love it if we got some kind of focus on their reasoning… I’ve suspected for some time that there is an even greater threat pushing them south, and it isn’t anything we’ve seen or heard of before.
This is so awesome. Breaks the internet? VFX put off for 3 seasons? It can only mean one thing.
DEEPWOOD MOTTE.
CONFIRMED.
#GETHYPE
Regarding the thing that might collapse the entire universe… if it was something first introduced as a possibility in season 4, then it’s definitely NOT about Jon Snow dying or coming back and definitely NOT about the Wall coming down.
Fez,
That really wouldn’t be a challenge VFX wise. They’re definitely talking about something more massive. No pun intended.
Something that fits both season 4, 5 and 6? This is when somebody has to say Lady Stoneheart *ducks* ????
Just saying… Read the last paragraph.
http://mashable.com/2014/11/16/george-rr-martin-charity-event/
I think someone hit it on the head, Nymeria and her pack of wolves, they could have appeared any time since season 4, and if they have a pivotal role in the story, this might be the time when they have to be shown
According to the VFX prosthetic’s supervisor, the incredible cgi scene has been put off for two seasons, and while many seem to think it has something to do with the White Walkers, I tend to think it suggests the appearance of Lady Stoneheart, as a massive scene with White Walkers would have come too early if it had been shown in Season 3 or Season 4, but makes perfect sense in the timeline for it to be Lady Stoneheart.
Arthas storming the Wall with Frostmorne?
It’s probably bear wights or something like that. The ice spiders would be awesome too.
JCDavis,
Said it was my guess. Has to be something that could fit into multiple seasons. Also there is this from the book version of FTW:
Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. “Ghost,” he whispered.
Also this from Mel’s vision of Jon:
Now he was a man, now a wolf, now a man again.
Also I don’t think GRRM’s choice of “Ghost” for Jon’s direwolf’s name was coincidence.
Fez,
How would this even fit in? Assuming he and Sansa don’t get re-captured by Bolton before they even get ten feet away, I can’t imagine him wandering around in the all-together.
The first thing that sprung to mind that could be in 4, 5 or 6 would be Lady SH. Would that really count as a visual effect /prosthetics though? Probably wrong.
‘And then it got pulled and we didn’t do it in Season 4,” says Gower. “And then, lo and behold, in Season 5 there it was again. And it’s pulled again! But now, in Season 6, it looks like we’re going to do it. Fingers crossed they won’t chicken out.”’
Ice Dragons would be incredible!! If it was supposed to be in season 4/5 at some point I think it was probably meant for a Bran vision though. Maybe a larger look at a destroyed King’s Landing and/or a very large wildfire explosion…
I hope they finally make a new White Walker design. Apart from the Night’s King, every single WW has been a slight variation of the one seen in 2.10. I want to see something different.
Maceless Fan,
I’ve always held onto the idea that we could get to the end and find out that the others have been the “good” guys all along. In that case, I imagine their conversation being something like, “How much longer are we going to dick around up here while those feudal assholes down south rape and murder each other into oblivion?”
VFX that could have shown up two years ago, has been pushed off, and finally seems inevitable? That lines up very nicely with certain resurrection-related elements…
Nymeria, YES!!!!
Illidan: “Wait, Arthas, you are not prepared!”
R + L ≠ J
Internet breakage…
This seems very likely to me. Or a flashback to the Doom of Valyria. I think it might be too early in the series for a huge dragon assault on the Walkers, or the Wall coming down.
I’m guessing ice spiders for the thing that could have been used in seasons 4 and 5. They even talked about them in the Hardhome episode. I don’t believe it’s ice dragon, not before I see it with my own eyes. And I’m also pretty sure LS wasn’t cut for VFX reasons.
Other great idea was the Nymeria’s huge pack of wolves, but I’ll stay skeptical about that so I wont be disappointed. 😀
Not a book reader, but I DONT want this LS character.
I think it has to do with Bran. Only thing that fits in really.
Or like some said, ice spiders. Probably were planning on including them with the white walker scenes in Season 4, but it was too much, then season 5, it would have been perfect for the battle of Hardhome but then maybe no more $$$$… so now, season 6. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a scene like a battle or flashback. but then again what do I know
Also, I don’t want Jon to be Snow Wight… please no.
Edit: Edit time reduced? Noooooooooo
Why is everyone grouping the two items together?!? It’s not a VFX that will blow up the internet!
First thing: “…the mysterious creatures from the Lands of Always Winter … I’m sworn to secrecy, but I can assure you, the scenes planned will break the Internet.”” Personally, I’m hoping for scenes of Benjen Stark or even Coldhands. My dream is that Benjen is the one who saves Jon!
Second thing: “In other news, during an interview with Yahoo, Game of Thrones’ Emmy-winning prosthetics supervisor, Barrie Gower, hinted at a VFX challenge that has been put off for two seasons”.
I agree with some that maybe that’s Deepwood Motte, but the Wolfpack theory also makes a lot of sense. Both fit in the timeline and how they’ve been put off…or LS because i think D&D like to make us wait and that would be a tough gag to pull off, making her look dead and her neck be torn and all that….
Good stuff!
The Wall coming down is not something which could have gone in season 4 or 5 (and, imo, season 6 seems too soon), so that option is out.
I like the suggestions people have made for Nymeria and her wolf pack, and also some sort of extensive Stark warging into direwolf scene(s). I think ice-spiders would be a legit possibility, as well.
It could be Strong Belwas, finally.
Alex Stroup,
I like that idea!!
Would there be reason to flashback and show the Doom of Valyria? I can’t see how that would move the story forward, but is would be a massive undertaking.
I’m a book reader, but I don’t want LS either.
I do think and hope they will continue the Riverlands storyline with The Freys, Edmure and Brynden Tully and the Brotherhood without banners. Don’t know if a big pack of wolves attacking the Freys would be too difficult to film.
I was just wondering today if they would be filming in Iceland again, for the Land of Always Winter, where the Others probably come from. Or maybe they will keep that for a next season. And they will now focus on the Others attacking the wall.
I’m really excited for next season (and next book too).
I’d say there’s a 99.873% chance that character will not appear, although a few will continue to insist that character must appear until the series ends, and a couple of those will still insist on it even once the series is over. hahaha.
Lots of possibilities. Most likely being Sansa sees him bathing somewhere. Or maybe they end up with Umber or another Northern Lord, who demands proof that Theon isn’t working for Ramsay. I dunno.
Not saying its it, since it really might not be that challenging. But the whole interchangeable nature, plus the VFX producer calling it a “gag” makes me think its something small but hard to do (no puns, I swear). Not a massive event.
Hiccup Targaryan,
Yes. But that is book….we are talking show here, if I am correct. In the show, as you are aware, he doesn’t say “ghost” he says “Oly”. I don’t think that was a mishap. I think it was deliberate on the part of D & D who know the books just about better than anyone.
As someone said, I hate to go all Wimsey on ya…but Jon warging hasn’t had any build up time at all on the show, not once. To just think (especially non books readers) that he would automatically warg on his deathbed … to me, it seems unlikely.
Being that no one knows, I could be blowin’ smoke out my nether region.
I have a question for those who are certain that she will not appear, or do not want LSH to appear:
Had one of those flips to the App Store. The ads on the home page at the time were:
– Red Truck (graphic)
– Get out of your timeshare (text)
– Empire Four Kingdoms (graphic)
– Cpt America messenger bag (text)
The flip took me to Lyft, otherwise I would readily blame the game. (Could still be the game, since the trick is usually achieved via adding code to an image.)
red viper,
They won’t. They’ll just make something up.
I’m also figuring that the VFX scene is a flashback or vision. That’s certainly interchangeable between seasons.
Considering the utter non-sense of Hardhome last season broke the internet, not a lot is needed for that …
It’s just popped in my head this week, that Jaime and Brienne both have Valerian blades, reforged from Ned’s “Ice” sword. That could play into a major White Walker future plot line…
Do Ice Dragons exist in the show? I don’t remember them. Ice Spiders instead are mentioned in the Hardhome episode. They would be cool but why would they break the Internet? Same for Nymeria’s pack.
lalla,
As someone mentioned the internet-breaking WW-scene isn’t (supposedly) the same thing with this VFX thing that has been pushed two seasons.
Well if it involves prosthetics, it can only involve an actor(s) and any effects; so if was suppose to be in four but now it appears to be approved for six…it probably concerns Euron and his crew of degenerates; if I remember correctly, most have a unique appearance, including their captain. Balon probably was meant to go in season four, as Robb was three and Stannis five, but plots were shuffled about. Think not only of the KM, but a massive sea battle between the IB and Reach.
A book reader like myself might enjoy a look at the KoAW, but it would take away from the mysterious and supernatural that are the Walker’s.
I wouldn’t even know how to get Brienne and Jaime at the same place with LSH. Brienne is so close to Sansa now, she has no reason to go back to the Riverlands.
Bran’s visions will be short and sweet and probably concern immediate and intimate moments near a tree, and not spectacular battles, after all he can only see stuff that was within visual distance of a Weirwood, fans need to remember that tidbit when thinking about what he can see from the past. The only way Bran could see the ToJ events is if the tower was built to incorporate a Wierwood, otherwise it would be a flashback from Howland’s perspective.
Wall is gonna fall!!
tyjon,
That’s not really true for the show’s version. He saw Ned in the dungeon, and dragon shadow and those were nowhere near a weirwood
I thought the unprecedented prosthetic gag was
That’s the only big prosthetic gag I could think of that hasn’t been done and could have been included in both Season 4 AND Season 5. It would be tricky to pull off and it’s one of the only things they haven’t done yet.
This is exciting news. Perhaps the Horn of Joramun?
Numeria Stark,
Correction to your memory:
Brienne and Jaime don’t both have Valyrian steel. Jaime GAVE HIS to Brienne. The other half-Ice was last seen on Joffrey’s corpse in the Great Sept.
Most people seem to overlook the gag part… What’s supposed to be funny about the wall falling, Jon reviving, or Nymeria attacking?
Lavignac,
They’re two separate things:
1. An “utter shock” scene(s) involving the White Walkers which will “break the internet”.
2. A “gag” involving prosthetics which has been continually moved from one season to the next.
One is from an anonymous source at Highlight Hollywood. The other from a Yahoo interview with prosthetics supervisor Barrie Gower. People keep conflating the two anecdotes together.
Ice dragon
Hey, I resemble those remarks!
But for god’s sake. could they please stop toying with those of us who do enjoy LS? It’s getting torturous!
I really really like the idea of Nymeria’s pack being the difficult VFX that was pulled. They obviously have a ton of trouble even with one wolf (see: Ghost protecting Sam/Gilly last year. He was on screen for MAYBE 8 seconds), nevermind having to CGI a pack of dozens/hundreds realistic looking wolves. They might need to get WETA involved in something like that.
Gods be good. It is pretty obvious. Finally, the LSH’s Brotherhood + Nymeria’s wolf pack team together and attack Freys in the Riverlands.
Or a creepy Three-Eyed Raven reloaded? The ice spiders are a possibility, but I don’t think that they fit for S4 material.
Maybe Sansa will ask Brienne to go and find Arya in the Riverlands.
Jaime gave his sword to Brienne.
Joff had the other and presumably it passed to his brother.
Sunfyre,
We can only keep trying…
They’re two different things people!
You know, I hadn’t even thought of the fact that when Brienne does end up meeting up with Sansa again, Sansa will then be privy to the fact that ALL of her siblings, save Robb, are alive when she thought they were all dead. I’d imagine a good deal of Sansa’s future storyline would be wrapped up in trying to reunite all the Stark children if that’s the way it all plays out. Sending Davos to find Bran and Rickon and Brienne/Pod to find Arya isn’t that much of a stretch, though it would be a really irritating thing to do to Brienne again.
The Wall collapsing for the first and the ice spiders for the second
Nymeria’s wolf pack hasn’t been mentioned once in the show right? Just the books if I recall correctly.
This is the best idea by far! Well done!
It would be a huge special effect scene and it could fit in s4, s5 or s6 (in one of Bran’s visions). I like the idea and I’m 80% convinced it’s that!
If it’s moveable between seasons it is most likely a vison isn’t it? It could be a vison Bran sees of the future like the wall coming down or KL blowing up or kraken/ice spider monsters.
I think it most likely Nymeria and her pack or ice spiders or the Others’ home.
Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing Benjen and Jon as Others. How else are they gonna get a truce?
Is that picture at the top Dan or Dave after they came out of a 2 week, 20 hour a day editing marathon?
Brienne has Jaime’s sword Oathkeeper, Widow’s Wail, the other blade forged from ice is most likely in the possession of the King
Princessmaria,
No,no,and plain old simply no ! Like when will people finally realise that maybe,just maybe,this character isn’t that important and that’s the reason she hasn’t appeared until now,after all the cut characters,why is this the one that keeps coming up,i mean she isn’t even that good of a character,just because she is a zombie character,i don’t get it ?
I have been burning a calorie or two trying to figure out what big scene could have been in season 4, 5 and now most likely 6 and I finally think I found it.
It is Cersie going all Drew Barrymore on KL/Red Keep and almost burning the place down. Season 4 – death of Joff. Season 5 – Marriage of Tommen/Margaery and WoS. And season 6 – death of Margaery and Tommen and it pushes her to the point of burning down the place. That could be a huge scene, similar to Atlanta burning in Gone With The Wind….
No? Not big enough?
And besides the character has been stripped of all the things that made Cat a compelling character,i know Martin thinks that just because we want revenge for the Starks we are supposed to get on her character,but it just doesn’t work like that,not for me at least,a character that only exists as a plot device is not a real character to me . And i know there are going to be people that say,well what about Beric Dondarrion, he’s a plot device character too,well i guess that’s kinda right,but at least him and the BWB showed that there are some people that aren’t totally horrible in this world and actually trying to help other people,well until Martin fucked their characters with the LSH plotline that is .
Read it again. Two different things.
1. Something in Season 6 will “break the internet,” (it hurts to write that).
2. Something VFX related will hopefully be in season 6 that was supposed to be in season 4, then in season 5.
Hodor Only Eats Bran Muffins,
Oh yeah another thing,if they were including her in,why would they say hopefully,i mean this isn’t something that they just think on the spot like”Yeah guys,i don’t know,should we include LS or not,let’s vote”,the scripts are already written .
When Gower calls it a “gag” am I right in assuming that it’s an industry term for “a particular prosthetic” and not “a joke prosthetic”?
Maybe he’s referring to doing the full book-accurate Three Eyed Raven makeup/prosthetics. It can plausibly fit the time-line.
Ice spiders were mentioned in the first season, when Old Nan told Bran about the ice age:
“…In that darkness, the White Walkers came for the first time. They swept through cities and kingdoms, riding their dead horses, hunting with their packs of pale spiders, big as hounds …” That would be great as part of a battle scene. I don’t know if it is internet breaking. Also, sweeping through cities and kingdoms, will probably happen late in 6 or in 7. Looks like KL is going to get winter.
I’d love to see Nymeria’s pack. Maybe Arya gets a vision while she’s blind. The pack is something that could have been shown in any other episode, as they guy said.
I don’t think Theon’s unfortunate condition would qualify as a “gag.” I don’t want to see that. However, Tyrion’s “guess again.” Now, that would be awesome and fun.
Well, a whole bunch of people were not reading the news about Ian McShane correctly. The quote said the screen time was “relatively small,” which in the context of how much time you would expect an actor of his caliber to get, could be more than a couple scenes.
It could be the wolf pack. They did leave out Arya’s wolf dreams out of season 4 when she was in the riverlands.
The wall falling will shock everyone.
tyjon,
Agreed. Think about cersei’s childhood flashback scene tho, they just did it no vision required. I’m not sure if you’re getting at the only way possible to see flashbacks ate thru visions or not
It is most definitely spiders as big as hounds.
D&D already laid the foundation for that several times, most memorably from when that old Nane (forget her name) was telling Bran that awesome story.
That will be really cool to see… More Dungeons and Dragons coming to life!
That little fantasy craving kid inside us all will awaking and give us goose bumps upon site of such a thing!
Tywin of the Hill,
Good call w that I agree
Not related to topic…
Some expected, but good news!
The Late Lord Frey will be back in Season 6.
http://zap2it.com/2015/08/game-of-thrones-david-bradley-walder-frey-return/
The article explicitly states that they can’t say when he will be back, just that he has been told he will be back at some point.
Darquemode,
It doesn’t say that.
dummypants,
True enough…
With the way D&D write one season at a time I suspect they told him about Season 6, but you’re correct. Maybe they were vague and hinted at something after Season 6.
A vote for the wolf pack!
I would think that every wolf shot and scene is a right bloody b^#$* to pull off. If you want to see bad wolf effects, got watch Bitten, a cute Canadian book series/show. It can go very wrong very, very easy – perhaps because of our general familiarity with dogs and how they move. How do ice zombies move, or Dragons? Pfft, damned if I know. Way easier to fake.
I’m sure every season had more wolves written than they can shoot for budget, time and feasibility because, I mean, wolves rock. Who doesn’t want wolves? I’ve been “Lady WOLFsbane” since the 90’s. Direwolves rock even more than regular wolves….
It actually really could be LSH. And GRRM has gone on record saying she IS an important character.
I believe that the prosthetics gag will be LSH. What else could it be? What haven’t they done? What could have been in season 4 and 5 and pushed back to season 6? I really am starting to believe in LSH again.
As for the huge VFX scenes. Probably more WW scenes, but hopefully Nymeria will appear with her pack! That would be amazing, just epic. I miss the role of the Direwolves in the show.
Well, first we read about mass hiring of babies and now we have news of a great WW scene expected for S6. We are getting the march of the baby WWs! A great battle between the baby WWs and the CotFs looms on the horizon. Be afraid, be very afraid!
But I do like the wolfpack ideas too. Nymeria and Ghost FTW!
Tyrion retuning to KL on the back of a dragon would shatter the net and send it into a black hole. Can’t guess what the long delayed prosthetic would be.
Sansarya,
If it involves complicated prosthetics and could have happened as early as S4, it could be a scene where the weirwood roots come alive and entwine themselves around, into and through Bran’s body so that he cannot escape becoming the next three-eyed crow/raven. That would be a challenging effect to pull off.
I wasn’t certain exactly what that prophecy entailed, so I did a little research. One aspect it is that it doesn’t necessarily have to be a younger male sibling. It could be a younger female.
When Tywin insisted that Cersei marry Loras, Margaery commented to Cersei that they would then be sisters. Cersei hissed back that she would kill Margaery in her sleep if she ever called her a sister again.
Yet, when Cersei flounced out of Margaery’s dungeon cell, she trilled “goodbye, Sister,” and smirked all the way down the hall. The sister connection has been stressed a few times in the show. I think that Cersei may deservedly die with Margaery’s hands around her throat, especially if something worse happens to Loras.
In Season 3, Arya and Grey Wind had a moment of connection. Makes sense now with Arya “blind” to finally be able to warg into Nymeria.
Another heavy prosthetics effects scene would be a view of Mel coming unglamoured, possibly as a withered hag as some have suggested. If Jon wargs into Ghost he might see her as she truly is, as trying to make herself look young and beautiful to animals seems like a waste of costly magical energy.
Ice spiders! Or
I would like either one, and both could fit the ‘put off for two seasons’ thing.
Bear, spider and giant wights ahoy!
Perhaps LSH could be some combination of animatronics and CGI? Michelle Fairly could do voice over. Then again,LSH’s voice is rather unrecognizable.
After seeing spiders the size of SUVs in the LotR, Hobbit and Potter movies, who’s going to be impressed by ice spiders the size of hounds?
K Noelle,
Good job not reading my other posts about why this isn’t happening 100%,keep dreaming !
Numeria Stark,
Jaime doesn’t. Tommen presumebly has the other sword made from Ice as it was given to Joffrey so I assume it got passed down to Tommen.
Still, Jaime could somehow get his hands on Brightroar that his Uncle went looking for or maybe even Dawn ( which has been conspicious by it’s absence) which is’t Valerian Steel but appears to share a lot of it’s properties.
Only “internet breaker” I can think of would be the wall coming down. As for the gag, I can’t see it being anything major. Only visual effects I can think of that they could have worked in but haven’t yet are SH? Ice Spiders?,Bear Wights? Frey Pie? Macumber?!
Wish they’d stop hyping up scenes or seasons. I’d rather than trying to “break the internet” they would concentrate on making a great show. Give us more of the fantastic verbal sparring and well-weaved plots; Last season there was too much pointless action and too little character/story advancement.
Moka,
Me too!
Heh, I was humming The Trial by Pink Floyd (from the Rock Opera “The Wall”) as soon as I saw this!
At any rate, I am betting that this is going to happen in Winter. (I am still betting that Ramsay is going to attack Castle Black and this will wind up being a side effect.) So, Season 6 really is not “too soon.” Whatever GRRM has planned for the White Walkers, it’s going to be pretty big and it’s going to be a big crux of the over-arching story. (Is there a word for a story made up of multiple stories?) It’s getting near time to start setting the stage for the finale!
I think that we can put a fork in the idea by now. Obviously, the earliest they could have brought her back was this year: but in a lot of ways, this was also the latest that they could bring her back. My bet is that B&W simply concluded that the Riverlands stuff was not contributing enough to the primary character’s stories.
They’re definitely talking about Lady Stonehype
“Gag” is the industry term for the big “punch line” of a scene that really is the point for the story and/or plot. It has nothing to do with humor. If you listen to director’s commentaries on DVD/BR, then you will often hear them refer to the “gag” for some key point in a scene.
(Tolkien fans used this as evidence that Peter Jackson did not take Lord of the Rings seriously, as he constantly refers to the “gags” when talking about how they set up scenes.)
Thronetender,
While it is true that in the books Cersei’s demise is tied to the figure of the Valonqar, in the show there’s no mention of him/her… In fact, Maggy the frog doesn’t even mention Cersei’s death, so everything is quite open, actually. She could die at the hand of almost any other character… or she could survive until S8E10…
Belfort,
You mean Lady Stoneshit,let’s address her by the name the quality of her character deserves .
?!?! Last season was nothing but dynamic development of the major characters! Most of them evolved substantially. Boys & girls were killed, and women & men were born! Jon, Daeny, Tyrion, Arya, Jaime, Theon and even Sansa were substantially different characters than they were at the outset. The only major character that did not evolve is Cersei: the bratty little girl in the opening scene was basically what got paraded in front of all of King’s Landing for all intents and purposes.
I agree. I think that after 5+ seasons, the Wall has become iconic enough that it means something to even casual viewers. That written, it’s not something that they could have done in earlier seasons.
Now, the speculation: if this is what is going to happen, then how is it going to happen? (Is it possible that Van Houten’s cryptic remark about overhearing that she was going to do something spectacular pertains to this? Probably not: but possibly.)
Wimsey,
Do you mean that Mel might (accidentally) bring down the Wall while trying to resuscitate Jon?
Ice dragon is coming
Trying to think of visuals that would be thematically crucial to multiple seasons: White Walkers, obviously, but also all the mystical stuff the show has edited out. We never got the dream sequences about ToJ. We missed most of the prophecies in the House of the Undying. We missed the Ghost of High Heart. We’ve never seen Rhaegar, or the tournament at Harrenhal. I’m just not sure how any of these would be difficult for a cgi dude.
No: but that her spectacular deed (or whatever it was) might have to do with the defense of the Wall rather than bringing it down or resuscitating Jon. It probably does not mean that, but it might.
The issue is whether any of those things are pertinent to the Winter story. And, of course, as you note: none of these would be difficult to CGI. Also, none of these would “break the Internet”: most of these things would be meaningful only to the real fans of the show.
The entertainment industry really needs to stop using the term “break the internet”. Really.
That being said — ice spiders carrying wights and White Walkers swarm over the wall 🙂
They would not have done that last year as Cersei was not going to die then. They focused on the part that set up Cersei’s plot and story for the year: the reason for her childishly inept and inane actions to bring down Margaery.
They can always revisit the rest of the Prophecy in the season in which Cersei dies. Indeed, anytime before then is too soon and if they do not do it in that season, then it will be bad storytelling.
I’m of the siesta,
Yeah, thanks, I was so excited at the thought of Margaery putting Cersei’s lights out, I forgot that. It’s true, Valonqhar was never mentioned in the show. Still I’m tickled at the idea of Margaery getting some vengeance on Cersei. Although, in trying so hard to mess with Margaery, Cersei did a pretty good job of messing herself up.
In order to get Mace Tyrell, who might obviously object to his children being jailed, out of town, Cersei sent her loyal Kingsguard, Meryn Trant with him to Bravos. Then she goes without a guard to the dungeon to taunt Margaery. Trant, shit that he was, might have dragged her out of there before the High Sparrow got her.
Whatever, I don’t think I’m the only one who believes Margaery’s going to get Cersei somehow.
Thronetender,
Oh, as a Tyrell supporter myself, I wouldn’t mind if what you described actually happens!!
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
LOL!!! thats funny.
Wimsey,
I agree with you.
Tiny direwolf
ice spiders most definitely could look spectacular swarming and spinning over the Wall.
Wimsey,
For me, Winter has always been the story, one reason why Essos, Brienne in the Riverlands, Aegon, Dorne were so frustrating. Sadly, Martin and the show don’t seem to share that frustration, which might mean that this ever-delayed, visually powerful, difficult revelation might have something to do with the proper wrapping of a tokar, seen through the eyes of a dragon. lol idk. ToJ/Rhaegar/Lyanna do tie into the Winter story, via Winterfell crypts (maybe?) and via Jon’s parentage, and it’s never simple to transfer a literary dream sequence to the screen. Hopefully it’ll have something to do with the white walkers, though, cuz, WINTER. It’s coming.
Well, clearly this is alluding to a scene where a White Walker shows off its enormous butt.
About the VFX gag.. My wild guess is a CGI’d de-aged Ned (ala Tron Legacy or Ant-Man) for a TOJ flashback.
That would be a big challenge for the VFX team, and that could have fit in S4, S5 or S6.
Bloodraven, ffs.
Further to what Wimsey said, the term “gag” is apparently widely used in the stunt world to describe an individual stunt (such as Theon and Sansa’s leap from the walls last episode). Although it has no connection to comedy now, so the FX they are describing are very unlikely to be even remotely funny, the origin of the term in films is thought to be from the days of silent movies when comedians such as Charlie Chaplin did their own stunts.
If the source can be believed and it involves finding out more about the WW then I definitely believe it will entail bran and the weirwood trees. I think he will look into the past. Maybe at the battle with the WW and the children of the forest or the first men. Something big has to come out of Brans story now that he has finally reached his destination. Sorry if someone already said as my, I didn’t read all comments
No need to be rude. We are all speculating. None of us really know. Just because you dislike the character doesn’t mean she’s not important.
Besides, with the casting of a BWB-type band of outlaws and the probable casting of a Merret Frey, this upcoming season has more signs pointing to LSH than 4 or 5.
Again, this is all just speculation, like every other post here. I doubt she will be included, but I still have lingering hope.
Wimsey,
I’d disagree. Only people I really saw making progress were Jon, Arya and Theon. Arguably Jaime although I don’t think he’s that different from how he was in Season 4. I think the time spent on the shittier action sequences ( The Sand Snakes, Brienne’s horse chase,etc) could have been better spent on the fantastic verbal exchanges (which there were far too few of) that really made GoT the great show it is for me. May get lynched, but could even argue that Hardhome (although great) could have been trimmed down a bit. Plus the flashback did nothing for me in thinking any differently about Cersei than I felt before. Do hope there is less needless action next season but they retain the good stuff.
I’m not sure if they mean that the “internet breaker” and the visual effect they’ve been trying to do for 2 seasons or so are the same thing? I read them as being different. Only other thing that that could be the breaker is killing a major character off but I think all of them should be safe until the very end game now ( certainly Dany, Tyrion and Arya and Jon…yes, Jon!). I think Carice may have been referring to her ressing Jon, which I’d be amazed if it didn’t happen.
No Theon left there…………no need for a green sock……….nothing interesting to see here-move along please.
Cathair,
Perhaps after a preliminary warg into a certain feline?
I dunno.. things like Ice Spiders and Walls coming down just seems too early for Season 4… It would have to be something related to an event that happened in Season 3….
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Oh God I just get more and more excited for next season! I cannot wait to see what these are, an amazing WW scene (yet again!), and a new amazing VFX scene… thank God GoT has a huge budget so it can afford to do these amazing scenes. And these scenes make it so that GoT is a truly unique show which provides us with scenes and episodes we’ve never seen on TV before and will probably never seen again.
Firannion,
For some reason my efforts to edit my previous post with only a quote are vanishing in the middle of typing. Let’s try again:
You are not the only one who feels this way, TheTouchOfFrost. I personally wish that the showrunners would get out of the mindset of “What audiences want most are big action scenes!” For me, one battle starts to look just like another after a while. The moments that I treasure on GoT are things like Tyrion’s dinner with Slynt; Olenna and Tywin’s little exchange on the way to the wedding reception; almost anybody having a chat with Varys; pretty much every Small Council meeting. It’s all about the political maneuvering for me.
LSH maybe? ? ?
Alex Stroup,
Alex Stroup,
*Battle for Dawn, the War for Dawn is yet to come
Lady Stoneheart would be a contender for an “internet breaking” prosthetic effect which could have appeared at some point in multiple seasons.
Edit: I see I was rather late to the party on this speculation. Well, consider it an endorsement of the position.
Not really: it would only mean something to readers of the book, and not much to most of the show’s viewers.
But that is not their mindset: their mindset is that the audience wants story. Action scenes are only part of that. This show is very popular with the same demographics that watch other Cable TV series: and although those often have some action, that is not their common denominator. The types of stories they tell is, however.
GeekFurious,
I think it may have something to do with “The Black Gate” in the Nightfort at The Wall.
In the Books ” The Black Gate” is made from weir wood. Upon approaching,the gate opens its eyes and asks Who Are You? You must be of The Nights Watch to pass and recite the vows.
It will then open and take you to the otherside. Inside it Bran, Sam, Hodor are supposed to meet ” Coldhands”. a lot of horrible things have happened at the wall. This Gate is said to be the ” heart” of The Old Gods.
I just have a feeling this Gate/ The Old Gods/Starks have something to do with the White Walkers. I feel ” The wall coming down” is a metaphor. That Gate seems to be a portal that obviously has some magical force behind it. The children of the forest have magical abilities, As do the White Walkers. Humans now have magical abilities. Somewhere along the line Magic was used for the wrong reasons . It seems the true Villain is ” Magic” Magic in Westeros was destroyed for a reason once before. Someone or something made it resurface. I feel a lot of the answers will be found through ” The Black Gate” as well as Brans Visions and perhaps what Sam finds out in old town while looking into becoming a Maester. GRRM has even made statements ” that the good guys in his view aren’t always the stereotypical good guys and neither are the bad guys ” Infact he’s flipped the Good vs. Bad a lot in ASOIAF. so as far as ” Breaking The Net” Don’t be surprised if The White Walkers turn out to be the opposite of what we have thought all along .
Does anyone know which episode that picture is from?
was it the one where he came for sam?
I’m fairly sure it was the “Sam the Slayer” scene as well. I always wondered why the WW was swordless and without his undead horse in that scene. Cocky bastard.
Fez,
That’s an effect I’ve wanted to see- gor narrative reasons – it fits the not-season-4-not-season-5 detail. But I dont think it should be that hard to make Alfie Allen into a Ken-doll if they can put Lena Heady’s head on another woman’s nude body.
We’ve needed to see the grim damage ever since Theon’s timely meeting with Baron Kuchacokov.
Nodor,
Lady Stoneheart’s near decapited speach thru the tear in the throat?
Kilgore Tully,
I don;t understand the reasoning behind why some people want the WW to be good guys so bad lol. I like that they are badasses, & much like Ramsay, they are characters that we can definitely hate and wince at. Not every character has to be so complex…why can’t some people just be good & others just be bad? You could say that it’s because that’s not how the real world is (and duh of course it’s not…not always at least) but this isn’t the real world. This is fantasy. This is GRRM’s universe (long may he reign). Seriously, how good can they be, when they are killing people and making them into mindless soldiers? D&D said it themselves, the wights are literally just mindless pawns that want to kill….thus, how good can these White Walkers really be? Yes, I believe they may have once been people, but they are not anymore. They may be trying to get away from something…but it’s not like they are going to tell you what it is before they try to kill you first.
FX “gag” that could have been in any of the past few seasons?
Money is on Theon or another castrati showing their “down belows” (or lack of them)
Well…it would seem to refer to either a certain lady, Nymeria’s wolfpack or…perhaps, COLDHANDS?
OMG, Dizzy, I have had this same thought for awhile now. Also that Jon Snow is ultimately going to kill Tyrion, because that would break it too. However, neither of these involve the kind of effects I think we’re talking about here.
My vote is either an ice dragon or Nymeria’s pack.
Now that the season is done, I assume the “internet-breaking” White Walker scenes are where we learn of their (& Hodor’s) origins.
But any guesses for the huge VFX sequence that was originally planned for season 4 or 5? I can’t think of anything that makes sense, unless they were planning to have the wall come down but again decided to postpone it for next season.
They already answered that question a while back. It was the reveal of Melisandre’s true age.
Firannion,
Hey, I was scrolling through old posts and saw you picked this one spot on! The only one in hundreds of comments. Good catch.
Thank you. I’m certainly not the originator of the ‘Mel-is-glamoured’ hypothesis, but you’re right that it didn’t exactly catch fire in this thread.
I’ve been meaning to go back and watch Mel’s necklaceless bath scene again to look for cues from Selyse that she’s not seeing the same thing that the audience is seeing!