“Are you prepared to stand trial, and profess your guilt or innocence before the Seven?”
Season Finale. Cersei faces her trial.
Have a look at the official episode photos here.
“The Winds of Winter” is directed by Miguel Sapochnik, who brought us the incredible “Battle of the Bastards” last week. With the precedent he has already set in the director’s chair on this show, it’s safe to assume the finale is more than secure in his deft hands. The episode is written by David Benioff and Dan Weiss.
Also noteworthy is the fact that – at a whopping 69 minutes – this is not only the episode with the longest running time this season, but also the entire show so far.
Cian: We’re finally here, and what a quick ten weeks it’s been! Whoever writes the taglines for episodes has somehow kept steadily lowering the bar for underselling their contents. The longer running time is good news for the fact that most finales tend to be packed to the brim with differing storylines. Hopefully this one will be less of a final check-in with everyone for the year, and instead be one full of sensible plot developments and crescendos to the various arcs. We’re all looking forward to it – let’s hope it’s one to remember!
And now, it is time to burn cities to the ground !
Ramsay!
If Daeny isn’t on her way to Westeros by the end of this episode, I riot. I cannot take another season of EssosBoredom.
So…erm…if
Burn them all
No, I am not ready for this season to end. Flew by too fast 🙁
Burn them all, Cersei!
I’m gonna feel much more pleasure by watching the HS die than I did when Joffrey and Ramsay died. You better die, you c*nt.
We’ll also hear this music in the coming episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFK0yG8xG5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ40jeahsrs
Absolutely amazing
I love the HS, would be sad to see him go. He’s not a bad man.
I just hope that after all the dragons, all the death and destruction, all buildings burnt and jumped out of – I hope that final shot of the episode, of the season, is the city on fire and as they pan out, it begins to snow. Winter has arrived. That would be awesome.
Hopefully, Jon does get crowned Kitn. Is all about Jon for me.
Dakingindanorf!!
Baby Jon!!
Dany finally sets off for Westeros
Old town
I am hyped for every storyline .
Burn them, burn them all! 🙂
Kargaryen,
Agree there !
I honestly will feel way more satisfaction watching the High Sparrow devoured by the flames than Ramsay eaten by his dogs… and I truly cheered up at Ramsay, but that High Fucker… sorry, Sparrow, deserves what’s coming to him a thousandtimes !
Yeah, yeah, I know, in the end the people would probably be better off under his rule than Cersei’s… but actually no… on the short term, yeah, for sure, but nothing ever good came from letting fanatics take power… so I sincerly think the “small folk” would still fare better with Cersei than with this hypocrite asshole !
Since my country decided to fuck itself and become the laughing stock of the world last night I really need GOT to cheer me up. 🙁
As for the ep, I hope they finish off strong since the season has been mostly great, but there’s alot of storylines to touch up on so I’m a bit worried.
House Stackhouse,
Jons claim to the north isnt as strong as sansa’s, but if you’re all about jon, that should please you, as his claim to the iron throne is the strongest in the seven kingsoms
Will enjoy every last second to the fullest, before the long dark Winter until season 7 …
It’s been another great ride …
Bearded Onion,
I’m also a bit worried how they are going to cover all the storylines esp. if that means that they leave us with major cliffhangers.
I definitely expect them to check in with every storyline this year, because so many of them are already confirmed for the finale, and the others need a resolution. I’m sure it will feel a little rushed, as every season finale has (especially 4.10 and 5.10), but I won’t let it bother me this time. That’s just how the finales go.
Interestingly, the HBO schedule has updated the running time to 68 minutes. Not a big difference, but I’m a little saddened anyway haha.
I know most people will probably prefer the spectacle we got last week, but from a storytelling perspective I definitely think this week has the potential to be a more powerful episode, if it goes down as many think it will.
“Battle of the Bastards” is considered one of the very best episodes of the series, if not the best (for the viewers at least, if not the critics), but I do think this one can be stronger, if the big moments are done right.
In the mean time, I’m at a loss for how to get through the weekend. This week has already seemed impossibly long to me.
At least there’s the Euro.
http://screencapped.net/tv/gameofthrones/albums/season6/got609/got609_0458.jpg
can these two get armor and saddle like these two
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/d/d4/Aegon_on_Balerion.jpg/525px-Aegon_on_Balerion.jpg
#cheatcodes and plotarmor not enough
# haters can hate all they want
Unlikely.
I’m not spoiled at all, but
I would have loved snow falling on a burning King’s Landing, but that wont be the case, it seems.
After such an epic, amazing, beautifully shot and written episode 9 (easily in my top 3 of GOT episodes, it exceeded all my expectations, it was the closest thing to perfection), I’m afraid of being a bit let down by this episode. But Sapochnik recently stated that “The Winds Of Winter” will be at least as epic as “Battle of the Bastards” but for entirely different reasons. There’s this and there’s the fact that Robert Aramayo (young Ned Stark) said he would be back in episode 10 and for those who listened to “The Tower”, one of the bonus tracks on the season 6 soundtrack, we can be 99.99% sure that we’ll finally have our “Promise me, Ned” :'(
So I’m relieved 🙂
There are so much to be looking forward to in this episode !!!! ^^
Among the things I’m eager to see in this finale :
– Loras’ trial and the eventual burning of the Sept of Baelor
– The Frey’s last party or “The North Remembers” Part 2 (I like to tell myself we had “The North Remembers” Part 1 in episode 9 with the fall of House Bolton :D)
– Arya’s return to Westeros
– Dany setting sail to Westeros (will probably be the last scene of the episode)
– Is it too much to ask the Wall to come down this season ? 😮
– Davos/Mel confrontation (pleaaaaase let them BOTH live !!!!!)
– Sam arriving at the Citadel of Oldtown
– Varys meeting with those… you know… “allies in Westeros” that Dany needs
– Seeing Euron one last time !
– Witnessing that Winter has finally come
– The Jon/Sansa and Littlefinger/Sansa conversations
– And above ALL…. the last part of the tower of joy… “promise me, Ned…”… The “R+L=J” confirmation that was promised… the son of ice and fire…
I’ve never been MORE excited and impatient to see a season FINALLY COMPLETELY unfold, I WANT TO KNOW how this season is gonna end 😮
Ice and Fire in the finale.
Bearded Onion,
We know we are getting :
KL
Bran
Jon/Sansa/LF
Tyrion/Dany/Theon/Yara
Jaime/Freys
We are very likely to get :
Sam
Dorne
A brief Euron check in
Arya
We could get :
Brienne and Pod
The Hound and the Brotherhood
So yeah, there’s a ton to cover and many of these stories will require either multiple scenes, long scenes, or multiple long scenes.
It’s going to be crazy.
Brexit could be really bad for final two seasons of the show – check it out: http://www.cnbc.com/id/103738995
I look forward to what happens with
Euron – we will get an idea about how strong he may be as an villain to dany.
Sam and citadel..
Varys – eventhough i believe he will give a speech about dany’s coming ..
I cant stop laughing at how the reactions will be if ellaria and SS decides to kill him like they did with doran.
And lastly will jorah be back with his queen side when she goes to take back her home..
And also wonder how much death toll going to be in KL and how much it will be destroyed…only cersei,mountain and Qyburn may end up as survivors.
Bran views the ending of the Tower Of Joy vision. It’s not explicitly stated that Jon is the baby Lyanna gives Ned, but it’s obvious.
The North unites under House Stark (Manderly’s speech rallies any hold-outs; Jon and Sansa reconcile). Sansa makes a deal with Littlefinger (possibly the promise of marriage) creating an alliance with the Vale. Jon dismisses Melisandre for burning Shireen. Jon returns to Castle Black and discovers that Ramsay attacked the castle and the bodies on the crosses were members of the Night’s Watch. We may see the army of the dead on the march, possibly the fall of the Wall.
Justice comes to the Twins and Walder Frey. Could be the BWB freeing the Tully prisoners, Arya freeing the Tully prisoners ala Weasel Soup, some sort of Frey Pies / poison scheme, or could even be the Lannisters (though that makes little sense).
Loras’ trial goes as planned. Cersei pulls off a Godfather baptism scene, burning down the Sept of Baelor with the High Sparrow and Faith Militant inside (along with massive collateral damage, possibly including Loras and Marge and definitely including Tommen), while also using Qyburn’s little birds and the Mountain to take out Pycelle and Kevan. The wildfire may spread to the Red Keep and possibly even burn the whole city down.
Sam and Gilly arrive in Oldtown at roughly the same time that Euron and the new Iron Fleet attack the city.
Varys strikes a deal with Dorne on Dany’s behalf. Lady Oleanna might also be present.
Dany sets sail for Westeros with Tyrion, the Dothraki, the Greyjoys and some of the Unsullied. Missandei, Daario and Grey Worm are left behind to rule Slaver’s Bay in her absence.
Jorah, Brienne and Podrick will all have scenes in the final episode, though I have no idea what they will involve.
Markus Stark,
I still think the Hound and Brienne’s paths could cross this finale and learning Sansa’s north will be the deciding factor for Sandor to follow the Brotherhood north. And beginning of next season, Brienne will come up not as empty handed as she thought…
And then there’s Jorah. I dont believe we have seen the last of him this season… I’m not sure Sam will arrive at the Citadel this episode (I really hope so, but he could be one of the skipped storylines), but if he does, I would really find it coherent that Jorah’s in Oldtown as well searching for a cure (possibly in the library of the Citadel, who knows ?)
Bearded Onion,
Never a good thing when The Donald agreed with what you’re doing… Very glad I’m too poor to have stocks today… Sorry Onion..
KIT IN THE NORTH HYPE!
C-SECTION HYPE!
BONFIRE HYPE!
BRAN HYPE!
Someone tell me (because I might have missed it), has Sansa said her, “It’s all I think about, what was taken from me,” line from the trailer yet? Every other voice over has been said (save for Tyrion’s about the “great game”, but we already know that comes this week) except for that one. If it hasn’t…then obviously, it’ll come this week. Any guesses on who she’s saying it too? Jon or Baelish?
serum,
I saw that the other day, but I don’t think it’ll be true. Brexit will take anywhere from 2 to 7 years to actually take effect. Game of Thrones’ final season will probably be shot in a year (summer/autumn 2017), long before anything has changed.
The UK won’t begin the legal process to leave immediately, and even once they’ve denounced the treaties, their departure will only take effect after a certain period of time has lapsed. In the meanwhile, EU laws and regulations will still be in effect in the UK (I’m in the legal field, and have studied EU law, so I know a little about this).
Bearded Onion,
What game?
ghost of winterfell,
I am too! More so than for Battle of the Bastards. I hope your predictions are correct!
Mother of dragons ….its the season finale which means …It will be like crossing Antarctica between the season finale and season 7 premier ….but before ….that we still have one more beautiful destination ….to go to ….
expectations:
1) khaleesi : hope she starts moving to ….maybe dragonstone. ..maybe dorne. …not to kingslanding directly ..that will not look logical even if she is guaranteed a victory everywhere now……so would love to see start of this journey this episode …
2) tryrion….didn’t do much this season …..not expecting much in future …..but hopefully one last good advice from him to khaleesi. ..
3) north …King in the north …….sansa playing her own game ….lyanna being lyanna. ….
and Jon and Davos breaking the white walker news …..that will be interesting. .
4) bran and tower of joy ; let’s hope we see everything …and white walkers plotting to move towards the wall as well …at least make one or two walkers stare at the wall …to end the episode ….bran deciding to cross the wall or him crossing it this episode should be good..
5) Sam discovering the way to defeat the walkers ..Most probably it’s dany and her dragons with a special warrior. …..
6) and finally. …
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM ….BOOM..
I’m just really really worried they’ll dispose of Margaery in the most dismissive manner imaginable.
It’s bad enough she’s likely dying as collateral damage – the least they can do is give it some poignancy.
dragonbringer,
Dude. If Varys dies at the hands of the vagina militia, I WILL have a heart attack, and sue the show.
Markus Stark,
I agree. This was the potential to be the best Episode 10. But you are correct, it depends on the execution so to speak.
Markus Stark,
Any chance they shoot all 13-14 eps together? Or will they split it up? My hope is these eps will be longer on average so maybe splitting it up makes more logistical sense than shooting all at once.
Arkash,
Yeah, I agree with you on both counts. It makes sense for many reasons for Jorah and Sam to meet, and I would hope to see both of them in the finale, but at least Sam if we can’t get Jorah.
The HS defies Jaime in the exact spot where Jaime decided it would be a good idea to have sex with his sister next to his son/nephew’s corpse and people hate the HS instead of the warped nobility? IDK that there are pure motives behind what the HS is doing, but twincest next to your child’s corpse is about as repulsive and repugnant an action as I can imagine.
But go on, root for Cersei lol.
Darkrobin,
Absolutely.
TFT,
True. I Also Liked His Back Story. He Wants Nothing. But He Knows How To Play The Game.
Bearded Onion
From afar I think they made a wise choice, might be short term pain over there(and a bit here) but the wall of self determination might stop being crumbled away from directives coming from across the narrow channel and hordes from further afield. One only has to hark back to the logic of the great one who married Dennis Thatcher on this subject made years ago and still makes sense for today.
There are two lines from the various trailers we haven’t had yet. The Sansa line you mentioned (it could conceivably fit in either conversation), and Bran’s “they have no idea what’s coming”.
Markus Stark,
great news and great info, thanks!!!!
I sincerely hope Mellisandre brings Ramsay back to life in this episode. I already miss him…
Chaos kewtz,
Even better! Since Daney had the vision about tptwp, wouldnt she be all for Jon becoming King of Westeros? She would be the one to acknowledge the fact he is indeed Raeghars son.
Tycho Nestoris,
I doubt they’ll shoot all at once, because that would mean uninterrupted shooting for a very long time, probably a full year.
They already take about 6 months to shoot 10 episodes, and the reason for the shorter seasons was cited as being the need for time. The last two seasons are likely to contain many battles and extravagant sequences that will require a lot of filming days and post-production. Bastard Bowl took a month to shoot, and there were only about 10 minutes of actual fighting, so I can’t imagine the gargantuan tasks they are now facing with the end of the story in sight.
They’ll probably need 6 months for their 6-7 episodes this year, and will be glad to take a break before beginning production on the final batch of episodes (even though they don’t really get breaks, D&D basically work all year as post-production on one season segues into pre-production on the next without any pause).
Old Nan’s Pie,
more like his skeleton back to life…….so ..maybe not Mel but someone cooler could do it. .
RosanaZugey,
I would guess Baelish but that’s just a hunch. It depends on how soon she asserts her independence and gets full vengeance for what has been done to her and her family. You know like Cersei would have but younger and more beautiful … 🙂
Seriously on the last part, who is the one who is younger and more beautiful. Margaery did not directly take Joffrey away and had no part in Myrcella. That was Olenna and Baelish. Elleria and the sand snakes for Myrcella. Cersei herself for Tommen. But did she hold them most dear? Her children, Jamie, her position as queen, her life … what?
serum,
No problem 😉
I have loved the HS story line in Kings Landing. Such a great foil for Cersei. All her “life lines” have disappeared, so I am expecting epic madness from her.
It’s weird. The message of the HS and the Faith is one I can totally get behind. Give the power to the common folk. On top of that, I hate Cersei so at first, we could root for the Faith but the second their intentions get murky, we are rooting for Cersei. This show is great at that…making the viewer flip the switch. I can’t wait to see how it unfolds. I mean, at the Battle of the Bastards, who wasn’t rooting for LF? I was. Sansa sent the message but he delivered the goods.
Really hoping we will see Arya back in Westeros.
Please lets clear up the Jon/Sansa tensions. She is wary of him, of everyone. That will probably never change or will take a long time to lessen. I know she feels the need to fend for herself but she needs people on her side.
I don’t care a ton about the Dany bits but love that Yara is now in the fold. I am hoping for some good Bran stuff, too.
For those who are excited for the ToJ reveal, I am trying to care about it but even if
So, what will this reveal mean?
I am just trying to wrap my brain around why this is a big deal, in the big picture, so any insight from those pumped for it would be awesome!
I know how you feel! Not a wise choice. Time will tell I guess, but I now have mixed feelings being an ex-pat re Brexit. The euro economy is a disaster 🙁
Anyhow, we can all immerse ourselves into the world of fantasy and magic for an hour (and more) on Sunday and forget the problems and issues in the real world.
Lets hope S6E10 lives up to the hype its been getting 🙂
The season finale.
“And now it begins”
It could be 1 year until we see the next season!
On the episode:
There seems to be no battle in it, mostly dialogue.
I really hope we see Manderly.
Flayed Potatoes,
Do you think
is likely?
In the midst of the mess that is the Brexit, there is this:
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2016/06/24/3792315/brexit-will-likely-devestating-film-television-industry-uk/
Quoting funding problems for Game of Thrones going forward – such a huge impact everywhere…and such a shame that Britain voted to leave.
I have it on good authority that there will be another climactic battle this episode:
Tommen’s Ser Pounce v. SweetRobin’s falcon (he prefers to go by “A Bird”. For all the marbles. Or at least all the mice.
Chaos kewtz,
Dudes, Bran is alive and out of the cave, I repeat: Bran is alive and out of the cave. Why does everyone keep ignoring the true heir to Winterfell? His claim is stronger than Sansa’s.
I’m predicting a big death:
My predictions are that
Danny,
Because nobody knows that Bran lives.
Sam met him and told Jon about it, but that was a while ago.
Presumably, Jon would have told Sansa that he knows Bran went North, but even still, he can’t be certain that Bran is alive. Actually, given how much time has passed, and how perilous the lands beyond the Wall are, the logical assumption would be that Bran is dead.
In any case, he clearly is in no position to take his place as Lord of Winterfell.
Define bad.
Well he’s no Ramsay or Joffrey, in a sense he means well, but so did Stannis- in a sense
Some of his stuff is pure ########- he wants *POWER* he now has *POWER* nd as we all know power corrupts.
OTOH Westeros is feudal society, and if you are not part of the nobility you are dogshit, and he does more or less stand for the commoner versus the parasite class
I wonder if the Seven Kingdoms have some sort of “presumed dead after missing X amount of time” rule?
Ah yes. The Bran line. I imagine that line would actually fit nicely in this episode as a set up for the next season. It also aptly goes with ‘The Winds of Winter’ ep title.
Also hoping Sansa’s line is in this episode (and they just haven’t cut it from a previous conversation). She sounds forceful saying it. Angry, perhaps. The tone is different from the visuals we got in the preview of her looking like a combination of sad/concerned/regretful in her various conversations with Jon and Baelish. Gives me hope that she stays steely and that they don’t revert her back to being scared or what have you.
Markus Stark,
I’m pretty sure that Sam didn’t tell Jon about meeting Bran
Markus Stark,
And thanks for your post on the other thread. I was going to respond but you beat me to it.
I am ready for the HS and his troops to meet their fiery end. Just dont care for religious zealots.
I am looking forward to Sunday…and then not. Double-edged sword.
I am expecting a lot of things to happen. I just wonder what sort of cliffhanger we will get.
Guys Did we ever get Dragon stone on opening credits before..
jpwf,
I may be wrong about that…
Danny,
Well, there is the fact that he is now the 3 eyed raven-not entirely human anymore with the whole timeline of the world playing out in his head. It might be hard to focus on being just the Lord of Winterfell. His destiny is a little more important than that.
jpwf,
Yeah, it’s confusing. In the show he does. In the books he does not.
ghost of winterfell,
You mean birth-wise? Or character-wise? I seem the similarities. In Jon’s ability to see the big picture and his vision of the future and how he died and his inability to see the danger nearby. However, and I know I’m a broken record on this, Caesar was one of the best military commanders of all time. Jon, at this point, not so much.
Markus Stark,
WHAT??????? I want my minute back.
Well, I won’t, sorry about that. But I believe the HS is a good man. He has good intentions. That doesn’t mean I agree with him, but he’s a perfect grey character.
You could say maybe he’s a good man doing bad things but he doesn’t realise they are bad things.
The HS is quite smug and seems to be enjoying beating Cersei at her game…so it doesn’t seem like he is so pure.
I’m hoping that he is
and has some useful facts to let everyone know during Cersei’s trial.
jpwf,
He doesn’t do it in the books, but in the show he does. We don’t see him telling Jon, but Jon mentions that Sam told him in episode 4.04 “Oathkeeper”.
Jon says something like “When you told me about Bran having gone North of the Wall, all I could think about was going to find him”. And then they proceed to speculate about Bran’s whereabouts, and Jon thinks Bran may be at or near Craster’s Keep, which Locke overhears, hence why he volunteers to accompany Jon on the expedition to kill the mutineers.
jpwf,
I think that’s correct. He did not in the books I just looked at the Sam chapter where Jon ordered him from the Wall. But I seem to recall that Jon through Ghost knew that Summer was alive. And Mel had seen Bran in her fires even though she did not know who he was. But I don’t think Jon knew.
Dee Stark,
Not sure about HBO or HBO GO. But on HBO Now the promos (Ballers, Deadwood etc) at the beginning, the “previously on” and the “after the episode” are all counted in the runtime.
Man, I’m not sure I’m ready for episode 10. I’m still not over episode 9! I didn’t think anything could top Hardhome for me, but that did. I’ve been down on Mereen for ages, but it was fucking flawless in this ep. Dany was amazing, Grey Worm was amazing, Tyrion was amazing, Yara was amazing, the dragons were amazing. THEY WERE ALL AMAZING. And I’ve honestly watched the battle for Winterfell upwards of eight times now. The stunt work, the cinematography, the direction: it’s all just so beautifully done. Kit, Kristof and Liam embodied the grimness and desperation of battle so perfectly, and there are several moments where tears still spring to my eyes. Add in Sophie and Iwan’s talents, and Kit’s remarkable physical and emotional performance, and you have an unbeatable episode. This is, of course, all in my opinion, but dayum. I am unpacking my feelings about it five days later. No show has ever done this to me before. How did the end of the season come around so fast?
I am SO GLAD Kit in the North is a thing, if only because I’ve been accidentally saying it/typing it for 6 years straight. Also, per previous discussions: Macduff and Caesar hype!!
I’d forgotten about both of those lines. We mightn’t get either, I suppose, since I seem to recall that’s happened in the past. For example, I think there was one in the S4 trailer from Jon saying something about being asleep and waking up to the world having changed, and we never heard that in the show. Also, who is the “they” Sansa would be speaking of? She’s dispatched the Boltons. So, maybe the Lannisters? The Freys? If so…
dragonbringer,
yes
Darkrobin,
Which post are you referring to ?
I don’t think there’s enough time for all that.
ghost of winterfell,
He got Caesar-ed in season 5 😛
I have no idea tbh. It would explain the huge amount of blood in Bran’s vision after the cave attack. I’m curious to see what will happen.
Dee Stark,
I know, me too !!
Do you think we’ll see the NK?
Markus Stark,
Better memory than me 🙂
HotPinkLipstick,
My thoughts are that the Throne will pass to Jaime. He has been kicked off the King’s Guard so that is no longer holding him back.
No it just put you in the running with us…we have the Trump…could it be worse?
Markus Stark,
It’s very doable also. “Corbyn stark” user posted his break down of s4ep10 which had so many locations and showed us the timing for each location and it was a 65 minute episode
Did you see that post???
Dolorous Methuselah,
I don’t know, that’s a good question.
In any case though, as far as the rest of the Realm is concerned, Theon burnt Bran and Rickon.
Markus Stark,
Well, yes, the characters don’t know he’s alive and naming Sansa or Jon is understandable on their part. My comment was aimed at audience members who choose to ignore the fact that he’s still alive. We clearly know he’s alive and heading towards Castle Black. He was already a cripple when he was standing as Lord of Winterfell when Robb marched. Sure he can’t fight and protect the North but neither can Sansa. If you are looking for a ruler behind a desk what is the difference between Sansa and Bran? If you are looking for a commander, clearly neither fits the bill.
Connor,
It went by amazingly fast. I don’t want it to end just yet. I enjoy having something to look forward to Sunday nights 🙁
Another wild prediction:
my goodness the tower soundtrack just soars. CANNOT WAIT for the reveal.
Markus Stark,
The one to Tormund’s Teeth
Excited for the finale, but also excited for this season to get over.
This site is pretty good, but overall I let the toxicness of the fandom ruin the season for me, and it wasn’t enjoyable overall…
I will need to rewatch the season a few months from now to get my honest take on it, without being clouded by the negativity
What about NK and White Walkers?
You know, I had never once thought that Sansa was the “younger more beautiful” person that prophesy was referring too until an article on this very site convinced me of it. I think it’s Sansa in the long run. I think everyone gets caught up on Cersei loving Jaime and her children, so they look for the person who would take those things away from her, but perhaps it’s power and only power that she holds above all else. Thus, the YMBQ would only have to take away her power (and not those other things) for that prophesy to be fulfilled. And if it’s just power we consider as what she loves the most, then that prophesy could have already been fulfilled in Margaery (as she is the Queen now), or in Daenerys (who will probably take the throne next season), or Sansa (who I think will ultimately sit on it). Or hell, it could be a combination of all three. My only hope at this point is that she show doesn’t leave ambiguity about who it ultimately was.
Also, I hope she’s talking to Baelish as well. And here’s hoping that after she says that line, she also throws in the fact that HE has been a major contributor to “all that was taken from her” and the only thing she’s going to reward him with is his life. But that’s my own person fanfic, and most likely not at all related to what actually happens in the show, so, we’ll just have to wait and see.
RG,
I understand that but I dislike the fact that people just ignore his claim. He should get a say in what comes next for Winterfell too. Him and Arya. If he wants Sansa to take over great but I do hope to see him back home. He’s still very human, he only has magical abilities. Is Dany not human because she can withstand fire and control dragons?
what i look forward to the most is seeing the stark banners over winterfell in the opening credits after seeing the flayed man for so long.
perhaps the sansa line will come when she and jon are having their ‘we have so many enemies’ convo.
in the show, sam did tell jon about seeing bran alive.
a bit ot here. maggy the frog and her phophecy.
Queen you shall be… until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.
everyone assumes this means margaery and jaime.
what if the ‘younger and more beautiful’ that is coming along is actually daenerys? she is coming to westeros. does she not bring cersei’s younger brother with her? just a thought.
iridium,
I’ve also been seeing KIT IN THE NORTH a bit in some reddit threads after episode 9. It needs to be a thing lol.
Jade,
But isnt GOT shot in Ireland?
UK commiting suicide has no impact on that.
p.s.
British people need to wake up realise that they are not a colonial force anymore.
That ended in 1945.
Strong rich country yes they are but not enough to make it alone with the likes of China, Brasil, India … on the rise.
Dee Stark,
No, I didn’t unfortunately. I’ve had a bit of an … unfortunate relationship with “Corbyn Stark”, so I don’t tend to read his/her posts.
I’m certain it’s doable though, and I look forward to it. As much as I enjoy episodes that focus on a few locations, I love the epic feel of those that span many storylines and locations. And I really haven’t had my fill of Bran, Sam, or Euron this year.
Really looking forward to seeing how all these disparate threads end up !
serum,
In that case its time we get the real dragons on dragonstone..
So I already have one thing too look forward in next season premiere…that of having dragon on dragon stone in opening credits..
Wolves will be shown in winterfell this episode surely..
Very interesting analysis of Jon this season, Battle of Bastards and what his Mhysa moment means. If anyone care to read.
https://am.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4pndkb/everything_jons_story_in_battle_of_the_bastards/
dragonbringer,
Or nice dress that represent House Targaryen. Red, black and her sigil. I wonder if Jon will ever get Targaryen armor or not.
dragonbringer,
I believe so, back when Stannis had it.
Danny,
Yeah, as far as the audience is concerned, it is a little weird.
I think Bran has felt very disconnected from the rest of the story for many viewers, so his place within the main narrative is forgotten.
I was thinking about a couple of theories recently and had some thoughts.
1. A lot of us (including me) thought Gary’s would be heading to Dorne. I don’t know how much Tyrion knows about the mission, but it seems like Dany would have a hard time allying with Myrcella’s killers if Tyrion is her too advisor. Tyrion wants to play the game but he did care for Myrcella, I don’t see him willingly working with her killers. Does that mean that Varys is actually going somewhere else (Highgarden)? Or that the Dorne alliance has the potential to call apart at a later date?
2. If Jaime told Tyrion about the wildfire being under the Sept, seems like he would have told Cersei. Not positive but it seems likely. If Cersei already knows about the wildfire, what were those rumours she heard about? And how does Qyburn of all people find out about it through “rumours”? I was thinking that the rumour may actually concern Obara and Nymeria’s presence in the city and may be involved in Cersei’s vengeance this episode. Just a thought.
It is shot in NORTHERN Ireland, part of the U.K. But Scotland is already moving for independence and (if the Brexit voting is any indication) N. Ireland may follow suit returning to Ireland proper or independent I do not know.
Jack Bauer 24,
I really hope so !
If you had asked me a couple days ago, I would have taken it for granted.
But I’m not so sure about it anymore, now that the soundtrack has been released.
It would be surprising though, if we only got the NK and WW in one episode this year. We were supposed to get more WW action this season.
I just don’t know what they could do in the finale, if the Wall isn’t falling. I guess that could still occur, but it seems a little early to me.
House Stackhouse,
If he has a proof. She would acknowledge him but question is what kind of proof. Harp or wedding cloak not sure about this.
Darkrobin,
Ah, that one. Well, it is a bit unfortunate anytime things get that nasty, and I don’t enjoy getting pissed, but “Tormund’s Teeth” was in dire need of being put in his/her place.
I wish people could just be civil, but unfortunately it seems that’s too much to ask.
Side note: Why is Tyrion telling Daenerys, “You’re in the great game now and the game is terrifying,” (or something like that)? Daenerys has BEEN “in the game” since season 1. Everything she has done has been for the sake of playing the “Game of Thrones” so him telling her that just seems Unwarranted and condescending. Like, Daenerys has been hatching dragon and conquering cities while Tyrion’s been drinking and sleeping with whores, so…don’t.
Sorry if that comes off defensive and bitter but Tyrion being presented as a character who knows everything and is hardly ever wrong, just grates me.
I think there was also this line “the ink is dry” etc by the 3eyed raven that hasn’t been said.
Can’t we guess the screentime for each place using the soundtrack ..
Light of seven is 9 mins which means 60 mins left ..
The winds of winter and winter has come and toj and maester and hear me roar all 3 mins long
So that takes another 15 mins out of 60 mins ..
So we can already know half of screentime in this time ..
Darkrobin,
I meant birth wise. Yeah, I can see the other similarities.
It was his first open field battle, he ‘ ll get his chance to improve.
Flayed Potatoes,
It could also be one of the reasons why Ned was so deeply scarred by her death. Caesar’s birth and Caesar’s death…there is a symmetry in that.
Flayed Potatoes,
C-Section hype? What does that mean? :O
dragonbringer,
ToJ is a bonus track. I don’t think it will be played in episode, if I am not mistaken?
RosanaZugey,
I think he just means that now that she will be in Westeros, she will be an active player in the war for the Iron Throne, when she wasn’t before. Yes that was her goal, but she wasn’t directly involved yet. She was practicing in Slaver’s Bay, in a sense, and now she will be a player in the “great” game of Westeros, as opposed to the “little game” of Meereen, if you will.
I don’t think it’s meant to be condescending at all.
ghost of winterfell,
That’s not what bonus track means. It could be in an episode.
Connor,
The new crackpot theory that Jonny boy was born via C-section lmao.
dragonbringer,
That’s quite clever of you!
Connor,
What happened to your Star Wars/GoT avatar???
Flayed Potatoes,
Not so crackpot based on Bran’s vision in episode 6, though. There definitely seemed to be a gash in Lyanna’s belly, if that was her (and it was).
Hodor Targaryen,
You bring up excellent points. Alliances may have to be made, perhaps temporarily, as a matter of expediency – the enemy of my enemy. But I like your thoughts. Those would be good surprises.
Varys – how does he deal with his mistrust of magic? Would he trust Elleria? He would trust Olenna (to an extent) as they had dealings trying to get Sansa to HG.
Whether Dany would land elsewhere, I don’t know but it is a known place. Dragonstone could not support her army. It could barely support Stannis’s meagre forces.
ghost of winterfell,
“I Need You by My Side” is a bonus track as well, yet it was played when Dany tells Jorah to save himself. I think there’s a high chance that “The Tower” gets played this episode
Geralt of Rivia,
Very interesting take on Jon’s season.
Dragonstone – seat of the Targs, built by the Targs. If greystone is the agent the Targs used to bestone the dragons and gargoyles into the walls and crenels of Dragonstone, the anti-greystone must be there as well. Once Jorah learns how the find it, he can join up there.
If you listen to the track “The Winds of Winter” and it has loads of passages with Danys/Dragon theme in it.
If it is indeed meant for the last episode of season 6 what does that mean ? Dany crossing from Essos to Westeros ?
Various members of the cast hyping up the finale : http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-team-previews-season-905906
Liam Cunningham is, as always, taking the hype to overwhelming and unsustainable levels.
I can’t freaking wait.
Bearded Onion,
I have a bad feeling we will be left hanging on a few storylines.
Was wondering what to do with my life after GOT ends, thanks to last nights vote I now have my 2 year plan – sell up and become a beach bum well away from Europe. Anyone want to help run a GOT themed bar in the Caribbean?
Regarding the concerns over Brexit’s effects on Game of Thrones, it will be a two year process. Seasons 7 and 8 will have completed shooting well before then.
Interview with Michelle Clapton (I didn’t know she was still working on the season):
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/game-of-thrones-jewelry-what-it-tells-us.html
Speculate away lol.
Sue the Fury,
Jay Targ,
Okay, good to know, since I love the track!
As far as I can tell, the only things from the teaser and the 2 trailers that we haven’t seen yet are:
1) They have no idea what’s to come – Bran
2) All I think about it what was taken from me – Sansa
3) Baelish in the snow
4) Group of people looking like they are stabbing downward
Am I missing any? All of the above likely takes place in locations seen in the episode trailer. I feel like there’s A LOT of stuff being held close to the vest for the finale. I can’t wait!!
That analysis of Jon’s character arc throughout the season, culminating with the idea that the Battle of the Bastards is the story of his true resurrection from the dead, is perhaps my favorite Reddit post ever. It’s pitch-perfect, and I agree with every single word.
I tend to make fun of Reddit quite a lot, because I’m not much for theorizing (especially of the tinfoil variety), and some of the people who frequent the GOT/ASOIAF communities have a perspective that I don’t find particularly enjoyable to engage with. But as with any large and diverse community, there are smart people there who can come up with some truly wonderful insights, and support those arguments eloquently and in great detail. That alone makes it all worthwhile.
Thanks for sharing!
I was thinking after watching the ep 10 trailer again. What if Walder and his sons kill Edmure and the remaining Tully army (the “Lannisters and Freys send the regards comment”) and Jamie loses it and wipes out the Freys leaving Bron the castle he has always promised. In the process he either finds out about the battle of Winterfell or Cersi. Then Heads North to find Brienne. Jamie did give his word to Edmure, and the one thing about him, he always keeps his word. He worked hard to have a bloodless seige, and then Walder et al ruined it. Thoughts?
My guess is she’ll say it to Littlefinger when she continues intriguing against the Snow bastard.
And there’s still another line we haven’t heard by Bran:
“They have no idea what’s going to happen.”
Jack Bauer 24: I don’t think there’s enough time for all that.
Of course there will be ! Besides, most of the “leading” cast members have been confirmed to return in the finale. That includes all the characters/storylines we haven’t seen in the preview nor on the photos : Arya, Brienne, Sam, Euron, Sandor and the Brotherhood, the tower of joy flashback (with even potentially Howland Reed) and even the wall with Edd
Geralt of Rivia,
Well she does see herself in rhaegar’s armor..
All black with three headed dragon in red on it ..
I don’t think jon will get one..
RosanaZugey,
I have my problems with that as well..take for example tyrion destroyed stannis’s entire fleet using wildfire ( only optipn he had )…dany said she will burn the fleets using dragon ( one thing she got)..but look at the response( i know the two things are different and what tyrion said is good thing ..so guys save your arguments I just hate bringing up mad king for everything ) ..on the plus side I don’t think mad king will be used in dany’s story after this episode.they have mentioned all his actions so there is nothing left to tell..
But i think anyone in dany position should be feeling nervous..its one thing to be preparing for that your whole life and actually starts sailing towards the goal.
If Littlefinger manipulates and “gets” Sansa, I’m going to eat every fookin’ chicken in HBO’s cafeteria, before setting off the wildfire cache secretly stashed behind the microwave. :-p
what vision?
I think too that he was about to tell him but they were interrupted or something.
TFT,
Fanatics are never good. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Northern.
Markus Stark,
Well it seems I completely forgot that, thanks Markus.
Ok. Seems resonable. #ContextMatters as I always say and you’re probably one-hundred percent correct that the context promps that line. I’m just not a fan of this characterization that Tyrion has to come in and ‘school’ people because he’s always right.
As a side note to my side note, did Tyrion say this season that House Stark was gone (or was that last season)? I’m wondering, because this season has really emphasized this idea that “House Stark is dead” and I’m wondering if that emphasis will serve as a motivating factor for any of the characters (Jon, Sansa, Bran or Arya) moving forward. That is to say, that their primary motivation moving forward would be to rebuild House Stark.
Geralt of Rivia,
That’s an absolutely brilliant analysis of Jon’s arc, and even though I had thought of many of those aspects separately, seeing the argument so well strung together really drives home the thematic resonance of it all.
If it is all intentional on the writers’ part, then kudos to them, because it’s terrific stuff.
Unfortunately, based on how some of the scenes played out, I’m not sure their intent was always in line with this reddit user’s interpretation, though I’m certain at least some of it was intentional.
I also heard from someone that the scene of Jon being trampled was something the director thought of while filming, and didn’t come from the writers’ room, but I have no idea if that’s true.
My one theory for this episode, and it has probably been brought up before, I could have missed it. All guesswork, but I’ll spoiler code it just in case.
I find myself having to agree with Kargaryen.
The High Sparrow has been terribly effective at making me actually root for Cersei. I would not have thought it possible, but there it is.
My guess is that the result of Loras’ “trial” and the sanctimonious charges of crime and sin heaped upon Loras simply for being gay will firmly place the HS and his fanatics in the role of theological villains.
Burn them all, indeed.
Flayed Potatoes,
I can dream, right?
Laura,
At 1:07 I see a Jaime/Aerys stab that I don’t recall seeing yet.
Arkash,
You’re probably right, but we can hope …
(And Theon, Yara, Tyrion and Dany leaving for Westeros, is not too bad either.)
RosanaZugey,
In defense of Tyrion, he has not just been drinking and whoring around. He was a good Hand of the King in King’s Landing, he managed to resist Stannis attack (for the most part) and restored (temporarily) the peace in Meereen. He has a lot of experience in ruling and diplomacy which have been proven very valuable time and time again.
It irritates me that in order to “defend” one character, people feel the need to diminish or invalidate another.
Lmfao
Hoyti Von Totiy,
GOT is shot in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK – which also voted overwhelmingly to Remain. There’s a full likelihood that they will call for a United Ireland referendum, closely followed by Scotland doing the same…So yeah, GOT will have to redo a lot contracts. They may be able to squeak in under the 2-year negotiation deadline…who knows.
I do think Frey will probably say something monumentally stupid/insulting to Jaime in their little tete a tete. Now, as to whether Jaime acts on it… remains to be seen.
iridium,
Love your enthusiasm 🙂 Yes, for all the hype I had going into the BoB I’m so glad it lived up to it, and even surpassed it. Best TV experience I can remember. Almost feels like it was the finale. Tbh besides seeing KITINDANORF there’s not much I’m hyped for happening tomorrow. Hope there’s something unexpected like maybe LF with information we didn’t know he had…something cool with Mel…
The stab was in a Bran vision.
ghost of winterfell,
Like sue and jay said it can appear ..
Flayed Potatoes,
Iam wondering how much the leaked synopsis will be right..
Dany did face some choice ..
So a queen shall may come forth.
Is it sansa ..
Or Margery who seems to be getting her hair done..
Or cersei
Or dany
Or Jon
The Jaime/Areys stab was in a Bran vision.
Direwolf Lvr,
Hahaha
Sansa has to see through his lies and hopefully outmaneuver him. If she becomes Queen, good chance that slimey dude would be in power at Winterfell. His proposal is likely marriage. LF is the one she needs to take down for her family and all he’s done.
Arkash,
agree, there will be wildfire in Kingslanding and many many deaths, thank you Cerci, hopefully they will destroy Dorne as well with wildfire in revenge, that was a plot line that never went anywhere. “godsbye” Cerci, High S, Tommen, Loras, Margery, Tyrells, etc etc, Dany will arrive at Kings landing at the beginning of next season with it burning to the ground, then the story will develop into an alliance of the ladies, Yara, Sansa, Dany Arya and of all who is left living in Westeros to fight the Night King to the end. Hope to see Samwise Tarly in eps 10.
I am so, so, so much looking forward to the High Sparrow’s death. It will be on the same satisfaction level (HIGHEST!) for me as Tywin’s and Stannis’ death! What a glorious moment it will be! 🙂
My guess (no proof whatsoever) is that Sam and Gilly will be in Oldtown just as Euron attacks, and they will run into Jorah who’s gone there to look for a cure. So Sam, Gilly and Jorah will get together and Jorah will look after Sam’s family and chat about Valyrian swords and WWs. It will be a neat way to bring a few characters together and advance the plot.
Very much looking forward to my boy Drogon and his siblings this episode. Flying high and free. I think the sad Daenerys and Tyrion scene is because Tyrion is telling her she has to leave Daario, Missandei and Greyworm behind to keep the peace in Slaver’s Bay.
There are a few points that should be made:
While many people grimace at the idea of Littlefinger and Sansa, who else is there for her? Assuming that Jon is out of the picture, there is just about no one in the north marriageable, assuming she wants a man of rank. Who else is left? Jaime is a sexual muddled mess since being raped by Cersei many years ago. Remember he was a virgin when she took him and got him to violate his oath. He’s still a mess. He probably could have had Brienne and did nothing. Edmure Tully? That’s a laugh. One of the Freys? Go
for the gag reflex. Tyrion? Well, they were engaged, but… One of the key elements that few people have noticed is that the rise of the women in Season Six has come about because most of the male characters are dead. The only Baratheon left is Tommen and most know that he is not a real member of the family. The Lannisters are reduced in the younger generation to a weak king and a religious fanatic. The Boltons are gone, hurray! So Littlefinger might work and might help her even become queen.
Jon is not all that interested in Winterfell or taking over the family. He has never fully felt part of the whole group.
Another point: There is a lesser theory going around that R + L = J does not mean Rhaegar but Robert Baratheon was his father. Lyanna might have felt that Robert would not take care of the child or that his family or the wife he would take once she was known dead would kill it. In theory, that would make Jon a possible candidate for the throne. And might make him a bit more marriageable for Danaerys should that come about.
Keep in mind that the High Sparrow while very democratic is also a religious nut. Loras is on trial for being gay. Margaery was punished for trying to protect her brother. He is the kind of person who would be leading the most extreme Evangelicals in the US for a takeover, while mouthing leftist slogans. The contradiction makes him interesting…and scary.
And can we keep our world’s politics out of the whole thing…unless it directly affects GoT? Being upset at politics here has nothing at all to do the show. And imagine the fun is we start getting bits from a lot of folks in a lot of countries? There are possible echoes of the show in Argentina and Brazil, for example. For all I know, we may have some in Uganda. Let’s focus on Westeros and Essos politics and less on what’s here.
HelloThere,
I also feel like this site brought me down sometimes and I can’t wait to rewatch the season with a clear slate, because I absolutely loved it
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/24/brexit-game-thrones?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter
EVERYBODY CALM DOWN NOW
Rhaenys Stark,
This. Thank you.
Elizabeth,
So happy I live in Canada lol!!! TRUDEAU BABY
RosanaZugey,
It was last season when dany and tyrion talking about breaking the wheel in hard home episode
Sapochnik summed it up as “people die” lol.
dragonbringer,
Those synopses were wrong.For episode 8 it said something about sansa and she wasn’t even in that episode.It’s really easy to make vague statements based on leaks and guessing what will happen.Everybody knew that dany would face a choice in that episode
Dee Stark,
I hate Canada. You guys are too good in ice hockey. Leave those gold medals to others.
Flayed Potatoes,
Sansa. Duh
Geralt of Rivia,
Thanks for the link. that was a great read.
Ah. Ok. Thank you.
dragonbringer,
If she says it’s her favorite, it has to be an elaborate crown with lots of detail and stuff. I’m guessing Dany???
Dee Stark,
lol
Direwolf Lvr,
To me that would Turn one of my favourite story arcs of the season into &:&:$/!-$&/@-@-))-&-@-“/’
RosanaZugey,
One thing is to talk about going to Westeros and take back whatever you think is yours. Another is to actually do it. Dany has been all talk about Westeros, she doesn’t know anything about Westeros other than what she thinks she knows and we know that that is very little. Tyrion on the other hand knows what they’ll be dealing with. Do you blame Dany for being hesitant when it is finally time to walk the walk? Not condescending at all, particularly if Tyrion is responding to something Sansa may be expressing. In fact it is great to see Dany with something other than a smug expression. It shows the natural vulnerability of someone who is still very young. It shows this: If I look back, I am lost.
Geralt of Rivia,
Hahahah!!! Never!!!!
Where are you from?
Flayed Potatoes,
Has to be Sansa or Kit in the North.
Can’t really see Jon with a crown for some reason, especially with his man bun. Don’t know why, but it would just look awkward I think haha.
Also, are we expecting Fletcher/
to appear this episode or do we think that’s not happening?
The GOT universe has innumerable men in it. Not marrying anyone at all is a step up from marrying a creepy pervert who is responsible for almost everything bad that has happened to her and her family.
Exactly. Hes not a bad guy.
Peoples hatred for him like a villain seems a little irrational.
His greatest victim is arguably Westeros’s greatest tyrant and oppressor alive – I love him for that.
Yes, the Tyrells sure didnt deserve what they got but even that was ultimately the Lannister bitch’s cunning setup…
Die Lannisters, die! All 5 of you!
(Lancel for killing Robert & then having a hand in Ned’s capture; Tommen & Kevan to move the story; Cersei & Jaime for what theyve caused the Starks)
Though one death by fire I really want is of the Clegane-monster!
Flayed Potatoes,
Maybe it’s her favorite because she’s sick of stag horns and flowers and she finally got to make a strong, simple crown that would force Jon to lose the man bun. 🙂
We’re forgetting one woman who could be wearing a crown. Not Dany or Cersei or Sansa… What if it’s for Ellaria?
*shudders*
Markus Stark,
Yeah it would cover Kit in the North’s royal manbun. A true crime!
Also, would the Northern lords just bring a crown with them when they start proclaiming. Seems like you’d need time to make one.
RG,
The man bun will never die! I forbid it!
I’ll eat my shoe if Ellaria gets a crown.
Jack Bauer 24,
I know, haha. I’m just hoping none of them are too tragic. “Mother’s Mercy” was by far the most depressing episode of the series for me. The sense of dread and despair that was permeating through it was unbearable. Season 5 as a whole was really dark, and it made the wait for Season 6 particularly grueling for me.
This year has been pretty uplifting by comparison, all things considered, and I’m hoping the finale will be the same, overall.
I don’t think I can bear another grief-ridden Long Night.
Markus Stark,
To be honest, this is absolutely how I interpreted his entire arc this season
Even before reading this analysis
My sister as well.
Sean C.,
Amen. Even Robin Arryn would be preferable.
I love how everybody is trying to guess what’s going to happen by listening to the music. And actually it really does give you more info than preview and photos. In “the Winds of Winter” I can imagine the exact scene, can’t wait to see if it will play out that way.
So now that Starks have Winterfell back, what will Glovers and all the rest who didn’t join them do? Will they accept them now that they won the battle? It must be so good to be Mormont right now. I think Jon is leaving Winterfell (I hope not, cause you guys should never left Winterfell in the first place) for some reason, maybe he will go to ensure all houses that winter is coming.
Jaime is not looking happy in Twins, but I don’t see him breaking the guest right and slaughtering all the Freys. For what? Their hats are not enough
So Dany is saying everyone is free to ask for independence ( even though, she said this in season 3: “You do not owe me your freedom. I cannot give it to you. Your freedom is not mine to give. It belongs to you and you alone.” And for me, this applies with seven kingdoms as well, not only to one’s personal freedom. Their independence is not hers to give) what if everyone asks? What will she do then?
Potential Momentous Meetings in Episode 10.
The most momentous meeting I can think of at this stage would seem to be a very small one: Varys and Samwell Tarly.
“You need to come with me Samwell. There are some people I would like you to meet who need to hear Randyll Tarly’s son explain what he saw North of the Wall.”
Still, Varys seems destined for King’s Landing. And Sam seems destined to never be seen again in an episode of Game of Thrones. So who knows?
I do think Sam will end up in OldTown. If Varys is there though… That would be interesting…
Jenny,
Yeah just wondering ..
Flayed Potatoes,
Would not surprise me and i will be happy because she has her crown in books ..a three headed dragon on the crown can be those elaborate details ..
Remember dany’s necklace of three headed dragon last season I believe she said its her favorite as well..
Markus Stark,
Yes it’s true, it was Sapochnik’s idea due to heavy rain delaying some remaining battle scenes. I admire this director more and more as time passes! It would be criminal not to have him next season.
Flayed Potatoes,
Haha very true, but I think the show has kind of grown past worrying about such details. After all, the Kingsguard show up with brand new armor in episode 6, despite the fact that Tommen has just made this new deal with the High Sparrow. Jaime is the Lord Commander, and he isn’t even aware of this new armor, which to me indicated it was made very quickly following Tommen’s pact with the HS, while Jaime was preparing his move with the Tyrell forces. Otherwise, why wouldn’t Tommen have presented Jaime with the new armor ?
Anyway, I think we better adjourn this discussion, before some virulent posters come out and harass us for “nitpicking”.
These are, of course, just minor details, but it would be odd/funny if they showed up with a ready-made crown.
Bearded Onion,
I hear ya Beardy one. I’m in London and we are very largely remain, there’s even some fairly serious talk about us seceding from the rest of England and staying in. We could turn the M25 in to a moat and have the world’s biggest drawbridge 😀 You know you’re in trouble when looking to a show that continually smashes our hopes and dreams for light relief. Sorry everyone else, political discussion ends.
Markus Stark,
I love it, suing the show for emotional distress. It would just be easier if they counted the people who haven’t been traumatised by it at some point. They can’t have been watching very closely! 😉
Not sure about other storylines but expecting the cast list to be smaller for S7. I imagine it’ll all go horribly wrong in more than one location!
Dee Stark,
Yeah, me too, but the way the post was written made the whole thing seem more cohesive to me.
Even if it wasn’t entirely intentional on the showrunners’ part, it still makes for very solid stuff.
It’s just a shame that most show viewers seem committed to the view that Jon hasn’t changed one bit.
Dee Stark,
Me too-I read that this morning and said FINALLY someone gets it. That’s what I’ve been seeing all season. I couldn’t believe anyone was saying he hadn’t changed-when it looked like he’d shrunk two sizes and his expression was lost.
I just wish he’d had someone he could talk to about it. On screen. But what Kit and the director were able to accomplish for him emotionally during that wild battle-from Rickon to Ramsay-was beyond impressive.
Rhaenys Stark,
I know, he’s truly terrific !
I’m totally down for him directing anything they want him too, including the series finale. He’s brilliant, and not only in the action sequences.
Even inter-personal scenes are beautifully shot in his episodes.
KingCrowLordSnow,
I think the High Sparrow is a very interesting character played by a fantastic actor. I get the danger of what he represents if unchecked but I can’t quite hate him for two reasons:
1. He’s Cersei’s creation and therefore it is fitting that he may cause her so much trouble. Cersei allowed the Sparrows to take over because she wanted to set a trap for the Tyrells and it is hilarious that she fell into the trap herself. I enjoy Cersei’s misery.
2. A lot of what he has to say is true. About finery and what it tries to hide. About despising the poor because we are all afraid to become what they are. Sad that the Tyrells are collateral damage but they wanted to play the game and they entered an alliance with unreliable people. They also brought all this misery onto themselves. They could have stayed in High Garden and remain beautiful.
Rhaenys Stark,
But it was clear he understood the character and the arc he was following-the rebirth/the connection to Dany/the will to live… and I don’t know what they had in the script before, but I have a feeling the change actually made his story come more sharply into focus for the casual audience.
Ooooo. Great way to bring up a book quote. *Claps*
While I would have personally liked for Daenerys to be less confident about “taking what is hers”, I don’t feel like that’s a part of her ethos. She has been protrayed (even up to this last episode) as a confident woman who is sure of what she wants and will take it with ‘fire and blood’. If she all of a sudden becomes insecure and ‘iffy’ it would seem to be out of character.
Also, how much does Tyrion really know about Westeros now (and no that is not a diminishment of his character)? What I mean is that Westeros has changed. The dynamics have changed. They no longer have allies in the North as House Bolton is gone. House Martell is gone and Ellaria and the Sand Snakes rule in their place. Depending on what happens in the finale, you could have House Tyrell gone, House Frey gone, and a good portion of Kings Landing blown away. The Westeros Tyrion left is not the same one he’ll return too, and that makes a lot of his ‘knowledge’ of Westeros shaky as well. Add on to that, the fact that the characters he left will not be the same ones he returns too. By then, you could have a broken Cersei (and/or Jaime), and a defiant and vengeful Jon and Sansa, and an uncorroperating (sp?) any number of character who are left standing. This is a whole new game for him as well, because the players have changed, he just doesn’t know it yet. As far as I can tell, they’ll both go west without a clue. And at the very least, it’ll make for an interesting S7.
Markus Stark,
I agree.
That’s ridiculous. It’s soooo obvious in a non obvious way. You know what I mean?
RG,
Agreed
Dee Stark,
Yup, I do. It’s clear, but it’s subtle.
They don’t hit you over the head with it by having characters remark about how much he’s changed or stuff like that, but if you observe his demeanor and his decision making process, it’s very clear.
Tycho Nestoris,
My first thought on seeing that picture was why are they holding a tambourine, are they gonna be like the guy in Reservoir Dogs who sings a song while killing someone? 😀
Markus Stark,
Robb was never crowned with a crown. They just proclaimed him and that is it. Maybe they would change and make it unique? So I think it might be in King’s Landing or Daeny.
Dee Stark,
Born in Czech Republic and living in Germany right now. You know work, livestyle and everything is pretty much better.
Markus Stark,
Exactly!!!
Geralt of Rivia,
Yes!!!
The Czechs are really good at hockey also !!
Very excited for the finale, if it is a strong episode, I have little doubt about this, it will easy become my favourite season.
Also, seeing as the negativity will without a doubt be strong, as it is for every finale, I think I’ll pass the debates that will follow.
Will rejoin once the ”storm” will pass.
Dee Stark,
Yeah it’s clear. But idk if casual viewers see it, since everyone thinks Jon is an idiot and a bad leader 😐
Flayed Potatoes,
Haha!!!!!! That’s laughable
Bearded Onion,
It is a sad day for all who believe in the European project, no matter where from.
Hope the old saying proves to be true:”what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger”.
Enough politics though, real ones at least, hope GOT will make all of us feel better!
Flayed Potatoes,
”everyone”. Of the numerous reviews I read, almost all unsullied and the numerous videos I watched, extremely few thought that.
Dee Stark,
Beer, pretty girls and Jagr. That’s pretty much us. Hasek could be also included. I actually had an opportunity to go to watch us at World Cup in Toronto in September.
Corbyn Stark,
Yes!!! They can fit so much in this coming episode. Kings landing is going to take long. Like 15 mins
The rest will be spread out
Gah so excited
Geralt of Rivia,
That’s so cool!!!
90265 IMDb users have given a weighted average vote of 10.0 / 10.0
Yes I’m still talking about it. Lol
Flayed Potatoes,
Markus Stark,
I wouldn’t think they would need to forge a new crown for the King in the North, or for the Northern Lords to randomly have one on hand. If the crown in question is indeed for the North, the most logical place to find such an item would be in the Winterfell crypts, I think. The Old Northern Kings would have had such crowns. It wouldn’t have been lost when Robb was defeated, because he was proclaimed King when he was away from Winterfell, and never returned there before his death (I know Robb had a new crown made in the books, but we never saw him wearing one in the show).
To be clear, I don’t think that we’ll see them raiding the crypts for it, but if either Jon or Sansa is crowned in the finale, that’s where I think the crown is likely to come from.
That being said, as much as I would love to see a Northern crown, it could also be for Tommen or Dany as well.
Jared,
I don’t think there will be a crown anyway.
The show hasn’t really done this, besides the King of Westeros.
Don’t suspect they will start now.
Next season perhaps but I highly doubt this season.
Flayed Potatoes,
I can’t stand that haha.
I read an article that enraged me about how Jon was a terrible leader, and how he shouldn’t command anything, and Sansa is so much smarter than he could ever be.
I think the author also joked about the hashtag #NeverJon being appropriate. So yeah, Jon Snow was compared to Donald Trump in terms of ineptitude.
I think people have forgotten Seasons 4 and 5 entirely.
Anyone else going to hold out and save the finale for the depressing off season?
What would it matter if he was? This ain’t MacBeth, unless I missed the part where the NK says, “No man that’s born of woman shall e’er have power upon me.”
Mihnea,
http://variety.com/2016/tv/opinion/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-revelation-battle-of-the-bastards-1201799225/
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12008792/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-dany-sansa-everyone-awful
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/jon-snow-proved-terrible-leader-article-1.2680682
http://groupthink.kinja.com/sansa-stark-is-not-an-idiot-you-idiot-1782269038
I don’t agree with these articles, but they exist, and there are many more.
I’m not trying to start a debate/argument with you, just pointing it out.
Peace.
Mihnea,
I keep seeing the bad ones lol. Glad there are some good ones out there.
NO! Absolutely not.
I only rewatched each episode once. So I will go through them again.
Markus Stark,
People blame jons charge for the deaths of his men but he didnt ask them to follow him he was going to try to take out ramsay and die in process. If anything blame davos for sending them after him.
Oh my god. Well, I know who I want it to be, but that means it definitely won’t happen! Hrrmm, maybe it’ll be my second fave choice, Sansa? She could have a really pretty crown with, I don’t know, er…wolves with fish in their mouths? Ok, I won’t give up my day job.
edit:
ygritte,
Hey, didn’t see you there! Yup, sorry, I’m a bit manic at the moment, Still riding ep 9 high. Really hoping ep 10 is just as good!
i unfortunatly feel that sansa has to pay back lf lying on her back…
Markus Stark,
That’s the one I read as well and it pissed me off. Wtf @ the Trump comparison. She must have skipped Euron’s scenes.
gewa76,
It’s because of a screencap from Bran’s vision in episode 6.
Flayed Potatoes,
Im guessing Jon – little baby direwolves connected with rubies lol
iridium,
There’s always Dany. Her crown would look amazing.
Leepfrog,
lol
Markus Stark,
OMG.
My predictions and questions:
1. KL gonna burn, Tommen, HS, Kevan, most Sparrows, all doomed. Probably Loras and Marge will die too, yet I hold out hope they somehow do not because the queens conflict doesn’t feel finished without Marge really triumphing before she dies.
2. Either Jaime or Loras will kill Cersei, but not until next season. If Loras dies this episode then clearly not him, but both have good reason to do it if Tommen and/or Marge dies because of Cersei’s actions.
3. Jaime will be in the Riverlands this episode. The Twins will be attacked. Lots of Freys are gonna die.
4. I was super excited to see the falcon flying over Winterfell in the preview. I hold out hope for more Stark wargs, particularly Arya/Nymeria, and that falcon suggested a certain fan theory about Sansa may come true. But it also might be just symbolic: falcon over Winterfell.
5. Littlefinger currently controls the North with Sansa and Jon and their vastly reduced followers both in his debt and in his power because he has a largely intact occupying army. The Starks won, but this isn’t a great situation.
6. At least Varys, but possibly also Olenna will appear in Dorne. I am extremely curious to see who is actually in charge in Dorne now, because Ellaria Sand, a bastard with no claim, being accepted as ruler makes no sense. I am actually wondering if Dornish scenes will hint at Arianne and/or Aegon actually making it into the show after all. Either one would give a great deal more logic to the Dornish coup.
7. The Tarly story was very much left hanging. Randyll must be extremely pissed off. Sam hopefully has some strategy to not get caught. We will visit this story but no idea what happens.
8. There will be some hint of Euron’s Oldtown attack even if it doesn’t actually start yet this season.
9. Meereen will get some denouement, then Dany will be off.
10. No clue where the BWB/Hound story is going, but I suspect it may involve Arya and/or the Freys.
11. Brienne being trapped by the BWB makes no sense without LSH, so either she will show up in the North again, or she will cross paths with Gendry, who is not really a fan of the BWB. This second option would set up a conflict between Brienne and the Hound again potentially.
Flayed Potatoes,
Oh of course! I didn’t think of that, but yes, they could crown her. And it would no doubt be a beautiful piece. She’s worn some really cool dragon-inspired necklaces the past few seasons – I keep wondering where she gets it all from! She must have a jeweller on staff.
Jack Bauer 24,
You’re right! I didn’t remember seeing the shadow one (http://screencast.com/t/yNxxd8mUod) but it’s there.
Lulus Mum,
She fashions the crown into a tambourine, joins a singer/group and infiltrates the twins’ feast under the guise of Mrs. Tambourine Man???
Dee Stark,
Make it 100.000!!!
Let’s do little poll here.
Jon Snow or Stark King in the North or Sansa Stark Queen in the North.
Who would you prefer? Also if Jon is King, where does this leaves Sansa and vice versa with Sansa Queen and what about Jon and upcoming war.
IMO Tommen’s best attempt at embodying the Lannister words would go something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnx0z1cC8u8
Sorry kid, but you have no future in politics.
Random question, possibly answered in the show but I’ve forgotten. Does Sansa know that LF is the one who betrayed Ned?
r-hard,
The fact that it only aired a few days ago I could see it going up over 100k
Robert Ball’s Beautiful Death poster for “Battle of the Bastards” is up.
“Your name will disappear.”
http://beautifuldeath.com/
https://i.redd.it/7jolv9er2a5x.jpg
Tycho Nestoris,
House band for Red Wedding 2: The Revenge! 😀
And no Night King? No mention of Bran either?
Geralt of Rivia,
What I think will happen will be that Sansa is queen in the north.
Where that leaves Jon would be either: staying wiyh her and rally more people together for the Great War
Or Sansa will tell him that bran is still alive and he will go look for him ?????
As a Jon fan number one. I would cry for years if he is declared king. Just because
KingCrowLordSnow,
Guys… The High Sparrow is Ayatollah Kkomeini. Or the Holy Inquisition. Come on.
Bearded Onion,
If you need cheering up, look up Leslie Jones’ and Seth Myers’ new “Game of Jones” reaction video made for his late night show. You can tell she’s seen it, but his traumatized expressions show he’s watching for the first time. HYSTERICAL.
Sorry about your country :/
RG,
Ellaria… yes… a crown of snakes
Geralt of Rivia,
I just want Sansa to take care of LF and stay safe for the rest of the series.
Jon can be The Crowned King of Multiverse as far as i’m concerned and he deserves it.
Jared,
There’s still one ep I know but Ellaria is my favorite so far this season. Benjen a close second.
RosanaZugey,
My guess is that they must have at least some knowledge. After all, Varys was there until ep. 08 and he has a vast network of spies and informants.
In any case, Varys’ current mission seems to be preparing the ground for Dany’s return. I guess it will include making alliances with House Lannister ennemies (such as Ellaria and the Sand Snakes). But you are right, the Westeros they are going back is completely different (and more chaotic) than the Westeros Tyrion left.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Northern Ireland, part of the UK
Dee Stark,
I see one negativity and that is Littlefinger. If Sansa is Queen and tbh at this point I’m just happy Starks are back at Winterfell, he would gain a lot of power over the place where Ned is at rest. It would thematically make sense but Jon being King would create probably more interesting situation and LF would have to deal with him. From the preview it looks like Sansa needs to choose between them.
There won’t be a King or Queen.
Who started this rumor?
Geralt of Rivia,
Jon doesn’t want to be king. I don’t think he will.
And Max von Sydow’s “We watch, we listen, and we remember.”
Jared,
It’s simply beautiful!!! That guy is a genius!!
Geralt of Rivia,
It’s going to be Jon it makes way more sense.All his advisors are alive,he clearly is done with the night’s watch and is not going back.And he is the one to lead us against the walkers.What would Sansa do?This leaves her continuing her storyline whatever that might be with littlefinger
Newbietothegame,
The guy who revealed spoiler for this season mentioned something about Northern storyline. They need a leader whether King or Queen.
Sou,
He never wanted to be LC but he was.
Hey, I am unsullied and didn’t think it. But it would be great if someone could repost the link to this reddit stuff because I didn’t read it and the discussion has gotten too long for me to find the original post…?
It’s actually only the reviewers who are attacking Jon so much now. From what I see on Reddit etc normal people’s opinions seem to be very favorable towards him.
Geralt of Rivia,
Jon (defended the North, fought WW, made peace with the Wildlings, tried to save the heir of Winterfell, fought alongside his army against the Boltons, is focused on defending Westeros against the WW)
Dee Stark,
Sansa doesn’t even know where Bran is. Why would she send Jon to look for him? Bran is also with Benjen, so that problem is solved.
Real question: who is supposed to crown either of them King or Queen of the North? Half the North are traitors and the other half didn’t show up. Like, where is this coming from?
Geralt of Rivia,
But he was running against Thorne. Being LC was a matter of survival. I don’t think he would accept to be King if Sansa wanted to be Queen.
And by the way,Newbietothegame, might be right.
Off-topic, but really excellent analysis of Jon’s story in Season 6. For those who may have been a bit iffy on it this season, this may give you a different perspective. Regardless of what one thinks about it, this is a very good read and one of the few instances of people properly analysing the show itself rather than comparing it with the books or their expectations:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4pndkb/everything_jons_story_in_battle_of_the_bastards/
RosanaZugey,
They could bend the knee, swear fealty and never to turn their back on Starks. It’s not like Jon or Sansa would thrown away their support. They need them and making someone KIng or Queen. Basically being independent.
Sou,
Of course Sansa would have to support him in this case. He would never steal Winterfell from her or siblings. If he is to be King, Sansa would have to support him. Being KitN is a matter of survival because they are surrounded by enemies Freys, Lannisters and Walkers. Their invasion is something Jon, Davos or Tormund should pointd out. Lyanna Mormont believed in this and she is supposed to be in this meting.
Geralt of Rivia,
Ahh, well. Sansa is no longer a Stark and Jon never was a Stark. I’ll pick feisty Lyanna Mormont. She still has the name of her house. Jon will be her battle commander. Sansa is happy Ramsey is gone and will stay in her room, reflecting on her life. That was my attempt at humor.
To be honest, all the North needs is a leader. Ned wasn’t a King, but he was still the chyt. And wether Jon wants that job or not, it will be him.
I wouldn’t rule out LSH
A gash that’s really a crease in the bloody linens….
Sou,
Thorne got a lot of votes though. There was a tie before Aemon cast his vote.
Jack Bauer 24,
Bran is in this episode, but I suspect mainly it will be for the ToJ visions plus supporting scenes once he leaves the vision. Maybe the Night King will be in, but in general I just have nothing to say on either, no predictions, ideas, or even burning questions. I am sure it will be good whatever it is.
I don’t want it to be over! >_<
And yet, I cannot wait to see this episode!
O, my perfidious heart, you deceitful creature! Why do you do this to me?
Right now, I can’t vote. I would prefer the kids concern themselves with building alliances and trying to locate their remaining siblings seeing as Arya and Bran haven’t been mentioned in a conversation between the two of them, AT ALL. For a pair so bent on protecting and promoting the Stark name, I would appreciate a wee bit of interest in what remains of their family. Obviously last week, the Starks had bigger fish to fry but I hope the haggling over who is running the show isn’t the only plan of action for Sansa and Jon.
To get Ser Davos away from Melisandre, should they come to blows (metaphorically), maybe Jon can send him to find one of the two. Kind of a return to book-verse, though a wee bit late and a different Stark kid.
I think that “gash” is actually a gap in the wooden pallet Lyanna is laying on. I don’t think its skin or linens. But…the image is a confusing angle, so who knows!
Cool! I adored Margaery’s simple crown this season, which I assume she’ll keep at least through the finale. I think it will be a newly crowned someone: Jon, Sansa, Dany?
Flayed Potatoes,
I remember you asking for this earlier
I know everyone will yell at me, and that it isn’t going to happen, but nothing would make my anti-fan-nonsense heart gladder than the big Tower of Joy reveal being that Jon really is a random bastard.
That whole “Gosh, I’m a prince!” thing always left me cliche-weary.
Daughter of Winter,
I agree with this
The biggest issue I have right now is little fucking finger lol
Real talk. Where’s Howland (don’t say HS)? I thought Doran was the patient one.
Flayed Potatoes,
No, I mean Jon had to accept the job because otherwise he would serve under Thorne. But Geralt of Rivia may be right. Though I would back Lyanna Mormont would be the Queen,
Newbietothegame!
RosanaZugey,
The Starks being back in Winterfell means the North is rebelling against the Crown. They have to secede.
KG,
Everybody loves a cliche!
People,
Neither Sansa, nor Jon will be King or Queen in the North this episode and probably never.
Both of them know that Bran is likely alive. Both of them know that Bran’s claim comes before theirs and so taking the seat for themselves would be treachery.
Sansa likely knows that what LF wants from her is HER, in other words, he wants her claims: to Winterfell, to Riverrun etc. Unlike Sansa, LF does not know Bran is alive, so probably thinks marrying Sansa will secure his power in three major regions. Add to this the fact that LF has an occupying army in the North, while the Northern forces are decimated. LF is holding the Starks hostage even if they don’t know it yet.
Sou,
No. Jon had to accept the job because people wanted him to have that position. They picked their leader, so he has to take the job.
There were some shots from the Frey celebration, as well as Max von Sydow’s “We watch, we listen, and we remember.”
RosanaZugey,
The fat Northern Lord who people suspect as Manderly hasn’t appeared yet, and the description of the character says
I think all of the Northern Lords who avoided the battle will be summoned to Winterfell and will declare their fealty to the Starks. Obviously, there will need to be a leader of House Stark and the North. Since the Starks have no agreement with the Lannisters and certainly would not bend their knees to them, I think it’s safe to say the North will go back to being independent.
All I can envision is Lonestar from Spaceballs.
This makes a lot more sense.
Also, I think we’re in store for one final OMG for the season.
My thoughts are (in no particular order):
Mother Merciless, the Hangwoman, Lady Stoneheart shows up
They drag Gendry back into the tale
bristolcity,
That was very interesting, thank you.
Sou,
I don’t -_- At least not one that’s been as obvious as a pimple on the prom queen’s face for two decades.
EXAAAAACTLY
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Please don’t kill the messenger. But isn’t LF the Warden of the North now? What’s it going to take to pry that away from him after he saved the day?
You know what I think about the ending ..
We may seriously getting dany in armor amd crown like nymeria or aegon..
And the more I think about The ending the more I wonder how casual viewers will be feeling when they know KL is blown up.and dany moves now…
Iam looking forward to normies blindwave akasan and Burlington bar already ..
But in universe how will dany herself feel when she gets to Kl all blown up ..ofcourse she has already seen it all blown up in HOTu ..
But the house with red door she thinks she will get in KL will never be found ..
I always imagine this scene with when Sirius black and Harry have that conversation out of the tree and looking at Hogwarts and harry knew he can’t live with Sirius anymore because Sirius ends up dead ..the same realization will hit dany that she will never find the house with red door.
awol,
Bran is a cripple who most likely can’t produce an heir. He also can’t lead an army into battle. Those are two pretty important things if a House is to survive.
Point well taken but look at Lyanna Mormont. She will be able to one day, possibly, but right now she can’t produce an heir. She also can’t lead an army.
Why she is successful in keeping her house together is because she has nerves of steel for a youngin’ and is surrounded by obviously good advisors who care about her and the Mormont legacy.
If Bran has that around him, he can definitely rule. He can also choose successors from any of the children Sansa or Arya may have.
Tycho Nestoris,
That was contingent on him bringing Cersei the head of Sansa Stark. Or am I mistaken? I don’t think Littlefinger has much to stand on regarding that title. I doubt the Vale forces would go to war to ensure that his position as Warden Of The North was upheld.
Markus Stark,
I don’t think Jon is a terrible leader. In fact, he is the right leader for the Great War to Come. He will likely become a great leader.
However, someone suggested above (not you) that anyone who viewed his season 4 and season 5 should know he was a great leader. I know I’ll be kicked for this but, here it goes.
Jon was murdered by those he led. The number of people Edd would trust fit in a room. A leader doesn’t just have the right ideas and strategy, he brings his people forward into seeing the same vision he does. Jon ignored many signs that there was discontent to his vision for the NW. He failed to use his leadership position to convert the NW to his view. Hardhome should have been used to convince the NW of the correctness of his position. Just as Pearl Harbor was FDR’s opportunity to bring the US into WWII.
He failed to see his enemies and take steps to prevent his death. If he thought the NW could not be brought around, he should have taken measures to protect himself. In the books, Mel continually warned Jon and he ignored her:
“It is not the foes who curse you to your face that you must fear, but those who smile when you are looking and sharpen their knives when you turn your back. You would do well to keep your wolf close by you. Ice, I see, and daggers in the dark. Blood frozen red and hard, and naked steel. It was very cold.”
He was blind to what was happening immediately around him even though he saw the big picture. He did the right thing. But doing the right thing got him killed. If not for Mel … Allister would have become LC. And that would have not worked out well.
dragonbringer,
I LOVE the Burlington Bar videos.
I always ask myself ‘do I look like this watching the show?’.
How great that a bunch of GoT fans can get together like that and enjoy the show.
KG,
They do owe us one. I hope one and two are not true. I would be delighted if three was.
Could be Ellaria or Euron.
I heard quite a lot of people saying Sansa wanted Jon dead or didn’t care if he lived and that is why she didn’t tell him about the Vale army. I am not a fan of Sansa or what she did but I also don’t think she wanted Jon dead! I don’t wanna sound naive but she looked fascinated (and impressed) when she saw Jon chasing Ramsay with a giant by his side and then beating the hell out of Ramsay. I think she didn’t think him an equal before and a small corner of her mind still thought him a bastard. But Sansa used to be a naive little girl dreaming of her honorable knight that would protect her and I think she might see it a bit in Jon now – so we might see her regreting her decisions next episode.
Dee Stark,
YOu may need to get those tissues ready Dee 🙂
It’s cool and I like watching the reaction vids, but I personally wouldn’t want to do it. I like to watch this show by myself with my headphones in.
I would. She’s cut. She’s been cut for 3 years in fact.
Kells,
I myself have wondered the importance, yet it was written in an interview with D&D long long ago that when they approached GRRM about doing the show his reply was ” Who is Jon Snow’s mother?”So I suspect the reveal will have implications. I would like to see the reveal, if it happens, to not be by Bran, but Mel seeing it in the flames, and telling Jon. We know she is searching for an answer as to why Jon was brought back. And then when she tells him, Davos telling him not to listen to her because of what she did to Shireen.
We may never know that, but I think we’ll know if it was a cesarean. Goodness, I hope these scenes will be wonderful!
Did we not already get the white ravens in season 1 in Kings Landing?
Euron got one, already, at the Kingsmoot. I mean, he could get another, but that would be really soon. I agree that Ellaria is an option.
And that wasn’t Glover? Who gave an impassioned speech about the death of his loved ones and preferred House Bolton to Stark? He fits that description.
I think at this point it’s more of the reveal is 19 years in the making. Just seeing it finally come to fruition will be awesome. I am not sure what the implications of the reveal will really be though.
awol,
That is easily solved by killing LF. I don’t think Yohn Royce is going to be shedding any tears for him, as for sweet Robin, all he needs to be told is that his favorite uncle killed dear Lysa and he will stop any tantrum over LF’s death. Sansa, I believe, can easily manipulate Robin into doing what needs to be done. Robin only becomes a problem when he stops listening in a few years. The Vale had wanted to back Robb from the beginning, I don’t think that they would willingly, without LF’s push, cause the Starks any harm. That would be betraying the late Jon Arryn.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Sansa’s head would have gotten it for sure! But I *think* he just needed to reclaim WF from whoever won between Stannis/Boltons.
Your second point is the important one. I feel like the whole ep 10 could focus on the current “alliance” of Sansa/Jon/LF/Sweetrobin and we’ll still be discussing it all off season. I certainly don’t see how a concrete conclusion to the North is reached in one episode.
Jack Bauer 24,
How would Daenery’s feel about that (Queen Ellaria)?
Don’t forget what Melisadre said to Arya when they met with the brotherhood “we will meet again”. Now the red woman is at winterfell.
They should call the Mountain the “Psyche”. Because he likes to mess with your head.
Kells,
I don’t doubt that Bran could rule the North. I just don’t think it is feasible given the current climate.
Question about a spoiler, be warned:
I’m going to freak the fuck out if we don’t get any Euron in this episode.
That is all.
The only thing that would improve the preview is if it was 68 minutes and 15 seconds longer.
On the king vs queen question in the North–it’s going to happen because you have to have a leader to rally around for the wars to come.
First of all (and this might be wishful thinking)-Sansa finally has what she wants. She’s home in Winterfell and Ramsay is dead. In the preview Jon says we need to trust each other-and I’m hoping she agrees. If she does, that makes it simpler. LF is either “an idiot” or “my enemy” and the offer of an army, while very useful, is not going to change her opinion of him overnight.
If she truly knows what he wants, (everything-to be warden of the north and gain more control through her) the best way to deny him is to support Jon being king. She’s not Cersei. It wasn’t power she craved from the cradle, it was romance and love. She wanted to be a princess in a story, not an evil queen or Jaime-who got all her father’s attention and love. And there are the facts that she has no connection to the wildlings, no clue what’s happening beyond the wall and she is not prepared to be the queen of the long night. The North doesn’t play the same games as KL, and winter is coming.
Jon
I don’t think it would cross Jon’s mind to even imagine a scenario where he’s king of anything. He’s a bastard who joined the Night’s Watch. His birth and his career until death was all about giving up titles and being faceless and ambition-less-beyond guarding the realms of men.
Despite his constant surprise-people keep following him and seeing something special in him. He inspired so much loyalty men fought over his dead body and Davos asked a woman he basically despised to use her power to save him.
He would be the first to support Sansa being queen, though he is more Stark than she is-despite their familial relationship. Having greatness thrust upon him is Jon’s MO.
And what he did in the battle just cements it.
The North will screw formalities and name him king and Sansa will support that.
If I’m wrong about Jon I’ll be very surprised-if I’m wrong about Sansa I’ll be less surprised because she’s been trickier to figure out this season.
Oh and LF will get on board and try to cause chaos from within, or get too big for his britches, take a step too far and die.
Nothing too special, but here is a new photo of Jaime.
Danny,
I don’t see this working, because in order to tell SR that LF killed his mother, Sansa would have to admit she lied in a very big way at the time, with no purpose other than to save LF from Royce et al.
She doesn’t have her own hold on SR yet in the show. They have barely bonded at all. Meanwhile SR seems to be quite enthralled by “uncle Petyr”. I agree she might be able to manipulate SR eventually, but not yet and right now SR would believe LF over Sansa easily. So LF has an occupying army and is in place to make demands.
Wonder what he’s toasting. He’s looking at something with disdain or possibly grim satisfaction and disdain.
RosanaZugey,
Glover was not fat, was he? Plus, do the hold castings for already well known actors?
To be honest, I would happy with either of them in charge as King or Queen in the North. While Sansa has the better claim to Winterfell of the two of them, I think that given the approaching threat of the White Walkers, many of the Northern Lords will push for Jon to be leader. Having political and military leadership vested in one person may be the best option as far as they are concerned. And even if Sansa is declared Queen in the North, she won’t be leading an army into battle any time soon in the way Jon did at BotB. Which opens up the probability of Jon leading that army. This scenario would not please LF as it would leave Jon in a very powerful position in the North, but regardless of whom the North names as leader, I think that Jon will be at the head of their army. On which point, his recklessness and disregard for the battle plan may work in his favor. As others have noted, nobody can say that Jon did nothing to try and save Rickon – a true-born male heir of Ned Stark – in fact, Jon rode like hell to try and save him. With the North watching. And, he led from the front – the opposite of Ramsay. Northerners value battle courage and they saw Jon lead from the front. As viewers we know there was more than that going on in Jon’s head, but the Northerners don’t.
Hawk,
Anger, I’d say.
Steve Snow,
Those ravens were for autumn.
Newbietothegame,
Oh yes …since I watch the show alone ..
Watching the reactions videos gives me a feeling that iam not watching it alone but with group of people
Danny,
Probably fake,there has been no indication from what I know of a scene like that.But I don’t know,maybe we can’t rule it 100% out,Bran might have another fast-forward vision.But personally I would bet against it,especially since he has to have the ToJ vision,so I don’t see them do more of them this episode.We shall see.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
I would assume there has to be some Euron in the finale. We’ve barely seen him, so far. Hopefully we will get a better idea of what he is actually planning to do.
dragonmcmx,
Wow. Look at that expression on his face! Someone’s going to get more than the back of his golden hand. 🙂
Mel spoiler I haven’t seen yet in these comments
Geralt of Rivia,
I’m really hoping that in clip of Sansa waiting for Petyr in the Godswood under the weirwood, Jon comes out from behind the tree and confronts and skewers him. She can manipulate little Robin, or just leave him to Bronze Yohn Royce to get the Vale to go away.
Haaaaa – Well the M25 has often been called “The world’s biggest car park!” so not much different to a moat separating London from the rest of the country!
An horrendous place of which I still have bad memories during the time when I lived in the UK or when I have returned back to visit!
Guys as much I would like to have dany wearing the three headed crown and ride with dragons towards westeros..
I think that the crown will indeed be for KITN because its the only soundtrack we have got where someone is crowned ..
But I fail to see what details can the crown of north can have..
If its a Queen and not jon iam going with Margery ..she is getting her hair braided for the new crown thinking she become ThE Queen only to go in flames..
Can’t wait for the casting calls,it’s the last chance to get Darkstar.If he’s not in the main ones this year it’s done,he’s cut.
RosanaZugey,
See, I actually want them to show Sansa feeling scared, sad, desperate, lonely and vulnerable…if they just continue on this steely faced version of the character for too long then she loses the essence of what makes her a unique female character in this series and becomes Daenerys 2.0.
Oh and regardless of whether Bran is the legitimate heir I think Jon will be almost democratically voted King of the North by the Northerners and Sansa will choose remove herself from the running and support Jon. There’ve been hints of this all season if you go back, but the Yara/Theon scene in the Iron islands was, I believe, a huge foreshadowing of what will happen in the North.
Flayed Potatoes,
Lyanna – blue winter roses and flames?
Danny,
Someone posted it here but nobody mentioned it ever since. Someone possibly made it up.
Kells,
You are right, what is the point of revealing who Jon’s parents are if that information can’t be used. I don’t see the point as a viewer and reader for us to know who Jon’s parents are but he never find out who is parents are. Even if he does what is the point if it is not known or accepted in Westeros. So there has to be something, maybe knowing he wasn’t a bastard will change how he views leadership and life. Maybe finding out he is a Targ he decides he does want the crown and now we have good vs good in Dany vs Jon. Maybe he does use his name to try for the throne. Lots of ideas. Maybe he uses his new found blood to get close to a dragon. of course Jon’s dragon would die in battle (they would forget to burn the dragon and that dragon comes back to life via Nights King). see I got off on a tangent. My point is one would think it has to do with him pushing for more power and loyalty from other houses or just the reassuring fact for Jon that he actually wasn’t a bastard.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Sansa would kill LF as a power play in this scenario? Why not keep the Vale forces around (after killing LF)? Am I misunderstanding her motivation for killing LF at this time?
Side note- I got the sense Sansa and LF mended their relationship at the end of the BotB.
Geralt of Rivia,
The only reason why I thought it might be true was that
But yeah I don’t think there’s enough time for that, I rather they give enough time to TOJ.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Stargaryen,
Never heard this before. Not sure we have such a picture or if you can find it.
http://i.imgur.com/U9prrUj.jpg
Season 7?
I’d love that too, but I’d be the worst person to watch with. I’ve watched GoT with, idk, five people, max? And I scream and clap and gasp and have my mouth open most of the time. I shudder to think what that would look like on video.
Danny,
Black Raven,
If sea levels rise enough a lot of what’s inside the M25 will be under water anyway. Pro-EU underwater maybe, but we’re still gonna need gills to live there. These things tend to work themselves out if you leave them long enough – latest estimate on the sun’s red giant progress is that life on Earth will cease to exist in under 2 billion years so whether we die off in the EU or out of it will become a moot point 😉
Going for a ride with Auntie Dany.
RG,
The only way we’ll see Sansa making a bid for the North’s throne is if they’ve well and truly decided to throw the character they’ve established for her previously (book and show) down the toilet. You’re right. She’s never wanted power or to rule. What she wanted as a kid was true love, romance and pretty dresses. As she got older all she wanted was true love and to be safe with her family. There’s no way she’d want to be Queen in the North. What she will want is to have enough influence over the leader that she can still be somewhat independent and hold the reins on her own destiny. That person is Jon. Not that I think Jon will want to be King either, but his whole schtick has been being a reluctant leader. Last time it was Sam who put him forward as Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, this time I think we’ll see Sansa promote him as King in the North.
I believe that, going forward, Bran’s story is linked to Jon’s and both must face the villain that is the Night’s King in the North. While, Sansa’s story is linked to Arya’s (and their protectors Brienne, Jaime and the Hound) and the main villain they will be facing will be Mad Queen Cersei and the Mountain. I believe that once Jon is made King and Arya and Bran et al arrive at Winterfell, Jon will make plans with Bran for facing the Walkers and send Arya and Sansa south on some kind of diplomatic mission, maybe to treat with Daenerys, “asking” for Northern independence and getting her to go North and help them fight the walkers with her dragons.
Dany seems awfully underdressed for the weather. XD
Jack Bauer 24,
Season 8
Jack Bauer 24,
This one is more accurate. https://i.imgur.com/MHUbUjo.jpg
Jack Bauer 24,
Can you imagine if something romantic happens between them? People will whine for ages 😛
Stargaryen,
Pretty sure that was when they left Castle Black in episode 5.
I think we need a Targ banner.
Rhaenys Stark,
Which is why part of me wants them to be together or but other nah. It could work out as terms of personalities but who knows. I mean if they meet in season 8 something romantic is unlikely it’s like few episodes.
Rhaenys Stark,
I hope it happens. Give me all the fantasy tropes!
No, please. No romance.
Hawk,
She’s too magnificent to feel the cold. Or the weather got warm just for her. Or her dragons are out of sight, keeping her warm with their dragon breaths. Or…
…this is Dany. anything that works in her favor is possible.
Nevertheless I doubt the veracity of that photo lol.
Bearded Onion,
I’m from Canada and I’m not laughing. The people decided – democracy.
Rhaenys Stark,
My mother has been wanting exactly that since long before the show started. She’s positive it’s going to happen and she’s just waiting to rub our noses in it when she’s right. Especially since my theory that she didn’t believe could possibly be true is about to come full circle on Sunday. 🙂
Fancy word for a sellsword,
I agree. I really really hope if he does appear, that they don’t just kill him off and that it’s to set him up as a big villain for the rest of the series.
I don’t really think the ships are ready just yet ha https://twitter.com/PilouAsbaek .
LatrineDiggerBrian,
I think he’s going to survive and get much worse. Or they wouldn’t have bothered bringing him in at all this season-they could have just had Yara come up with a plan to bring ships to the dragon queen herself.
http://beautifuldeath.com/post/146414027173
Check this out people!
Beautifully haunting. What an amazing artist that is!
newbietothegame,
Me too .
I have to say I hope you are wrong. I would literally puke I think if Theon is killed off after having felt sorry for him through 4 seasons. But that being said, not many ever cared for his character so they might decide he’s ready to go.
I predict the following deaths this episode 10:
High Sparrow. Such a dangerous fanatic man.
Melisandre. Killed by Davos.
Tommen. Accidentally killed.
Grey Worm. Killed perhaps defending the Greyjoys, I hope! (Protect the Greyjoys, especially Theon at all costs.)
I would love to see Littlefinger bite the dust but that won’t happen.
Jack Bauer 24,
Last scene of season 8? Haha
http://imgur.com/nlFJjbM
Imagine the meltdown!
credit to: /u/deadvolcano
Sou,
You must be joking, right?
He’s not meant to be a villain – I think he’s meant as a way that GRRM and GOT makes you question your own morality.
The nobility and lords in GOT have destroyed Westeros over power. The poor, the hungry, the downtrodden are cannon fodder for the “Great Game”, the war of five kings, the maneuverings of power that they’ve NEVER benefitted from.
And Cersei created and funded and encouraged the Faith Militant – why? Because this bitter, vicious, insecure, incestuous, treasonous, and yes, crazed woman was jealous and hated Margaery Tyrell.
Cersei is responsible for every horrible thing that has befallen her. She fulfilled the prophecy made against her.
Is the High Sparrow a hypocrite? He lives by his words and the people support him. Remind me, how is he more evil than the lords he stands against?
RosanaZugey,
There can’t be a Warden of the North. That’s a crown-appointed position and the Starks fought against the Crown’s Warden.
Again, that’s why Robb had to be declared King in the North. And that’s why the North will need to declare a King or Queen – they’re not just following the Warden in Winterfell.
Nadia,
How differently we view characters. I see the HS as extremely dangerous and a clear villain. I fail to understand how you cannot unless you mix his religion with your own which is a very easy and honest thing to do as there are clear comparisons to Christianity. I’m one of those who don’t think highly of any religion. But regardless of that, good he is not.
Tycho Nestoris,
Again, it’s because Winterfell was taken from the crown-appointed Warden, whether the Boltons or WF. It’s a conquest, not a designated title.
He has no right to assert his claim as Warden, because ultimately Stark armies (with Vale help, but still) still exist and they conquered Winterfell.
There is no Warden in the North. There is no Lord of Winterfell. There can now ONLY be a King or Queen in the North
Again, Robb Stark was the Lord of Winterfell, but when they rose against the Crown, he became the King in the North
singedbylife,
I’m not religious at all. But if you think this is a question of “good” or “bad” characters, ESPECIALLY the HS, you haven’t understood Game of Thrones (and the books they’re based on).
newbietothegame,
You mean like for Daeny? Jon got the right banner.
They might…shooting them together would actually save costs overall, rather than have a break in filming. But D&D would have to finalize all 13-15 scripts first, so that might delay the start of filming…
Rhaenys Stark,
I always wonder if it’s going to be a romance or something very different and a little sadder and more tragic.
Danny,
I think it’s fake. Wasn’t the original rumor tied into the shot of the NK walking toward the fire in the trailer? We now know that was episode 5.
I think you nailed perfectly a partial usage of the knowledge of his parentage: knowing about it will change his outlook on life, making him stronger and infinitely more self-assured, whether the rest of Westeros knows or not.
When he and Sansa were first talking, and she asked his forgiveness for being unpleasant to him, he mentioned something about him sulking in the corner. He will have no reason to sulk, even if sub-consciously, in her presence or anyone elses, knowing that his true father was a prince and considered even higher born than Ned, and his mother was not some random tavern slut, as everyone suggested, but a true-born Stark.
On that pic of Jaime raising his cup: yes, he looks disgusted at having to even be there in the presence of those for whom his disdain grows with every passing second. He really despises the Freys, and he’s beginning to realize just what being the Head honcho means. Being LC of the Kingsguard, he was not responsible for the decisions in the kingdom. If he wants to have “everything there is,” this is what he must do to retain his power: toast ill-done deeds with despicable people.
The music released yesterday, ah, it’s magical. I expect nothing less from Ramin. Thanks so much to those who directed us to it early in the day yesterday; it carried me through yesterday and is adding a bright facet to today. I can’t wait to get my own copy.
There have been some excellent, thoughtful posts today. So glad. Hope all of you are here through the off-season, especially in about a month when withdrawal hits us. We have a looong off-season to get through.
PLEASE LET LYANNA STARK BE WEARING A CROWN OMG OMG
Imagine!!!! If that’s how the show gives us that subtle/not subtle hint. Lyanna is mentioned with a crown of winter roses. What if Ned does actually find her with a crown of SOME sort? And he realizes – as we all realize – without a word, because she’s not going to be in any state to explain her whole story, that the version he thought he know of Rhaegar stealing her and raping her is not true. It doesn’t mean that she was really married, it doesn’t mean she’s officially Rhaegar’s wife and princess, but it symbolizes that Rhaegar gave her the crown as the Queen of Love and Beauty.
And then we see a baby and we realize what happened with Jon, without them ever really having to explain the whole story with words.
OMG OMG
I just hyped myself to the moon and can no longer return to earth.
(none of this will happen but in my fanfiction mine it is thus so).
Other scenario is that we can see Dany having moments of doubt. And then she, maybe with Tyrion’s help, decides BAM I am the Queen and I’m taking what’s mine, puts a crown on her, and heads her fleet, dragons, and armies to Westeros.
EW spoiler room gives some MAJOR hype
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/24/spoiler-room-quantico-game-thrones-outlander-spoilers
Here’s what I know: Unlike some of the Thrones finales that aired after action-packed episodes, this season-ender definitely does not slow down the pace. You can expect pretty much every major character to make an appearance, with Cersei and Ser Loras’ trial serving as a pivotal centerpiece that will change King’s Landing politics next year. But the real question hanging over this last hour is whether Bran will return to the Tower of Joy. Here’s hoping!
R+L=J Confirmed
Mad Queen Cersei Confirmed
Shaking w/ Excitement!!!
He’s toasting, but Jaime has his “murder face” on…in all the available pics he really looks like he doesn’t wanna be there…
I’m intrigued about exactly what’s going down at the Twins in the finale…
RG,
I agree this is the most likely case. To have him appear twice and then kill him off in the last episode would not be very good. In other seasons I’d say they’d never do that, but this season has been a little bit more sloppy so I’d say anything is possible.
Jack, that looks like a mash-up of two pics – the one of Jon from Episode 9 and the one of Dany from a past episode when she was riding next to Dario looking all flirty-faced. Plus, she is riding under a Stark banner, not her own. Unless there’s a situation in episode 7 where they are riding in a long column and she goes back to say What’s up? to Jon.
Slightly OT – did anyone else like that little bitty scene during the battle when Tormund and Jon come face to face in the mud, and Tormund says “Hey.” Such a human, friendly wondrous little thing in the middle of all that carnage. Like saying, “how are you? glad you’re still alive. this is a bitch, isn’t it?” I loved it.
The white ravens are sent by the Citadel whenever there is a change in the seasons, not just Winter…last time we saw them they marked the end of Summer and the beginning of Autumn…
Thronetender,
It’s a joke 😉 It’s a fan manipulation
That moment was fantastic. If Tormund or Davos had died in that battle I might not ever have recover.
I agree. In all of my overly enthusiastic posts about episode 9, I neglected to mention the score, which was one of the highlights of that episode. When the score kicked in as the volley of arrows rained down on the battle – holy shit, chills. The whole piece is outstanding. Jon’s new theme is absolutely gorgeous, and the Light of the Seven is completely unique. And the Tower of Joy, OMG. Part of me doesn’t care what happens, as long as whatever it is happens to that haunting, soaring score. Ramin deserves all the awards.
I know that Euron is being set up to be Dany’s worst antagonist ever, but I really, really hope you’re wrong.
Nadia,
Um, I never said that so no need for that sort of reply, really.
I just said that I see HS as a villain. With that I don’t mean a Lex Luthor villain. I’m certainly aware that nothing goes as we’re Hollywood used to and what I love about GoT is the grey zones. It’s much more real this way. But that doesn’t prevent me from pointing out the HS as a dangerous man and hungry for power. Just like the rest of them.
singedbylife,
And I would suggest, again, that if you think of the HS as a “villain” in his story with Cersei, you don’t really understand characterization in GOT or ASOIAF
What I’m hoping happens (not predictions by a long shot lol)
Arya:
Jon/Sansa/Bran:
Brieene makes it back to Winterfell in time to see Jon off, and gets a little flirting from Tormund.
What I don’t want to see: Jon holed up in Winterfell like he was holed up in Castle Black. I don’t care about the whole King of the North stuff. He’s the Prince who was Promised. Sansa and Little Finger can screw up Winterfell on their own. But I don’t think Sansa will marry LF. Unless she’s now decided to become evil Sansa. Which wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve liked some of her growth, but she always had a petulant side too. She and Mel could be evil allies (I think Mel survives).
Dany:
Kings Landing/Cersie:
All just my fun speculation. Can’t wait for Sunday!
ThisGirlHasNoName,
Oh, and I don’t think Sam makes it to the Citadel. I think/hope he and Jon hook back up. (Pure speculation).
Nadia,
Your answer makes sense on paper. But is that how LF is going to view the situation? He didn’t save the day for nothing. He’s expecting a reward and has the leverage to get it. I would expect him to want a deal at least respectable in comparison to the one Cersei offered.
Agreed. I usually watch it alone myself. For some reason, my British detective show loving wife won’t watch it.
TFT,
You’re right! HE is not the “bad” person in this loathsome place! There are too many murderous, lying, treacherous, insane people in Kings Landing that are worse than the High Sparrow!
But of course that’s what makes it so fascinating.
I am a bit confused, especially after reading all the speculation on this thread…..
Sansa. She is Lady Bolton at the moment. Right or wrong? She WAS Lady Lannister before that. Right or wrong? How could she revert back to being Queen Stark? Because Winterfell is the seat of the family Stark and she is full blooded Stark?
If R + L = J, It makes Jon a cousin to Sansa, rather than a half brother. But I think it would be more powerful for J to be a Targ over a King of Winterfell or KitN. But it does seem to me, that despite all that has happened, Jon is the most likely to rule and fit to rule and be able to hold on to what they have back.. Winterfell.
Regards LittleFinger. Um, he is a wild card in this I think, but he still has a part to play, I just pray that Sansa doesn’t fall for any of his deceit……or that if she does it is because she has a plan to see him happily through the Moon Door.
Last is Bran. I think people are white washing what he could be. Has it been said that he can’t father children? He CAN ride a horse with the equipment that Tyrion showed them. He probably can fight. President Roosevelt was basically lame and totally lead the country. Doran was Lord of Dorne, he was basically lame. While I do think that Bran has a large part to play over being King of Winterfell or Lord of…he shouldn’t be counted out in the big picture.
Alas, you’re probably right, though my money’s on Theon surviving. He deserves some kind of win.
Of course, I am fully prepared to lose every penny because I am always wrong about these things.
This was foreshadowed when Sam received Jeor’s dying request to tell Jorah that he had forgiven him. Their paths have to cross.
Tycho Nestoris,
LF also prefers for other people to do the hard part and dirty work for him.
The only way he gets a deal close to Cersei is if he stands against the Starks and the North. And there are STILL Northern armies that exist.
So, does the North choose LF and the Vale – and the Vale are actually North-loyal – or the Starks?
Everyone keeps assuming he has way way way more power than he does. My point is that he may expect something, but he has ZERO way to enforce that desire now that the battle is over.
(I posted the following in a reply earlier, but didn’t mean to and redacted it. Sorry for any confusion.)
I predict we’ll see Dany and her forces heading out of the harbor and being confronted by Euron’s armada. There will be a shipboard parlay between Dany and Euron, after which Euron will suggest a romantic candlelit dinner which unfortunately for him will end with a dessert of Severed Iron Island Head ala Mode. And then Dany will finally set sail from Meereen. Unfortunately they’ll be heading for Dorne. You just know they’re heading for Dorne and will remain there for five or six episodes. This show is made by sadists of the first order. 😉
JCDavis,
Sansa is Ned Starks daughter. It doesn’t matter who she’s married – that will always be the case. This is shown in the series by how often Cersei is still called “Lannister” and Catelyn called “Tully”.
This could be foreshadowing of decentralized government at the very end of the tale.
“We Watch, We Listen, and We Remember.” (Three Eyed Raven)
This was either cut or he appears as some sort of vision to Bran…
Thronetender,
Yes I noticed that too. What I didn’t notice, but someone elsewhere did, was that the horseman riding by in the background who was then wiped out by Wun Wun was headless ?
Firannion,
I think you and Kay are on to something there. And imagine the copious tears and resounding cheers from fans if Ser Jorah just happened to bump into his cousin Lyanna.
And if the latter just happened to have just met a budding maester who knew a bit about wonder-working medicines. And that budding maester just happened to have a Wilding significant other and son in need of protecting…
Halfman,
That was the moment when my jaw hit the floor.
JCDavis,
I don’t know if the show is following the same logic as the novels, but in the books, if a woman marries a man of a lower house or even of a equal rank, she is allowed to keep her family’s name.
In the books, nobody calls Sansa a Lannister after she marries Tyrion, because the Starks are one of the oldest and noblest houses around (not even the books’ appendixes list her under House Lannister). The only exception to this is when Stannis calls her “Lady Lannister”, and he does that mocklingly to devalue her claim to Winterfell.
In the show, the Boltons are of a lower rank than the Starks, so I guess people call her a Bolton to devalue her house and to show she is Ramsay’s property. But now that he is dead, there are no doubts she is (and has always been) a Stark again.
It’s interesting to note that even though Cersei was married to Robert, nobody ever calls her a Baratheon. I have heard a theory that states that one cannot “take” the royal name, the person has to be born into nobility to get it. Margaery has never been called a Baratheon either, despite being married to three of them.
He’s not, though. He’s more like the Liberation Theology priests in Latin America.
Was it me, or did the Light of the Seven take on a slightly menacing, Phantom of the Opera vibe, to you too, with that organ music? It starts out so sweet, innocent and lyrical, like “all is well and nothing could possibly go wrong.” Then it turns on those strange, louder undertones. As many have said on here, the music can be as much an explanation and “spoiler” as anything else if you know what the notes are describing and how the composer thinks.
Me too. Oh I remember now, it was Ozzy Man’s YT video because he made a comment about Sleepy Hollow and I rewound to work out what he was on about ?
LoL, you are RIGHT, at first I was thinking “THREE of them? … oh yeah, Renly, Joffrey was technically a Baratheon and so is Tommen. Sweet little Marge has been a busy lady, you’d think that she would already be pregnant. But sadly 1. gay king, not remotely interested in her sexually; 2. Psycho king who didn’t get to bed her; 3. Baby king, who might have impregnated her, but apparently didn’t. Very frustrating for someone as ambitious and she and her grandmama are. Can’t wait to see what becomes of her. I kind of think she succumbs to the flames with a “Can you believe this shit?!” look on her face. Hope not, but only 2 days to wait.
Thronetender,
I got a Stephen King vibe from that. Is it a typical trailer tease or is the curtain about to be drawn back to reveal something even more sinister? Or is the HS sinister enough already?
Here’s hoping the next “Curtain Call” will be for Jonathan Price, who of course has been absolutely superb in the role. I can definitely see him blowing up real good. Dude shoulda stuck to shoes.
R thought he had to fulfill a prophesy and so romanced L. If Jon is their son, it is more important as a genetic development than a determination of ruler. As I said, what good would it do Jon to publicize his parentage? As things stand now, kingdoms are in flux and more chaos is to come. Jon’s status won’t win him anything he would want to have.
R + L is a union of Westeros and Essos, First Men blood and Targ, wherever they really came from
Nadia,
Nadia, please. You’re making me feel very uncomfortable. English isn’t my first language. What I mean is that I don’t trust the HS. I see him as more of a “baddie” than a good guy. Now Lay off of me, please. Or speak to me more politely, thank you. I feel rather attacked by you which I don’t understand nor why you are so condescending ? PS The books do not mean anything to me. I’m a GoT fan, not a ASoIaF fan and as far as I’m concerned a GoT discussion is about the show. I don’t know the HS in the books and they are irrelevant to me.
Not to take away the dreaminess of your vision, hon, and with all respect, but there’s not woman I’ve ever heard of who went into labor and her first thought was to plop flowers on her head. We heard screams coming from that tower. That poor bitch was in pain. If there is a crown, it will be hanging limply from tendrils of messed-up hair.
Wait a sec, you mean to tell me R+L=J doesn’t stand for Rum and Lemon equals Jollity?
😉
Nadia,
I agree. They have made the HS more explicitly fanatical on the show than we see him being by the end of ADWD. Not to say that he hasn’t taken actions or will not take action, but, as you said, there is less blood on his hands than many of the great Houses.
Singedbylife,
That’s fair. Apologies.
Calling him Khomeini or the Inquisition I think is really problematic. I would still submit that the show is not meant to make you think the HS is a villain. That implies he is, in fact, the villain opposed to a ‘hero’ or protagonist. And Cersei is not one. You could, in fact, argue it is her actions that have caused the entire mess Westeros finds itself in.
The show HAS shown you that the HS has deep support among people. It’s not because those people are stupid or evil, nor is it because religious people are stupid or evil. It’s because those people, as shown in the shows, are sick of the wars and the actions of the lords and ladies, who do everything without any accountability or justice.
The point is, he can be extreme, but it’s so interesting to me that people are thinking the HS is evil or the villain vs Cersei of all people.
Thronetender,
I will hold onto my Lyanna Stark hype until you pry it out of my cold dead hands 😉
Certainly. I never said there was more blood on his hands than say Cercei, LF, etc as of now. He is a dangerous man among scores of just as dangerous characters. But he could turn very scary if he got free reins.
Episode 10 has already 1500 votes on IMDb and a perfect 10/10 score . People are crazy 😛
Nadia,
I never called him Khomeini ??
Wow! EW hyping the Kings Landing arc and conclusion for S6, it’s going to be brilliant. The way they’ve teased how it will go down though, the constant reminders! Ima chuckle if it doesn’t transpire the way everyone expects.
Bookmark me now – Jon will be KoTN by the end of the finale, the pivotal flashback making it all the more beautiful and poignant. We’ll all know Jon’s true identity but I’ll suspect he himself won’t until S7.
As for Sansa, I’m mentally preparing for her to go back to the Vale with LF. She’ll support Jon’s claim but her story is inextricably linked to LF, I don’t know how it’ll unfold or even why she’d leave Winterfell but his leeching days are not over. I was of the mind he’d be over by S6, but now I see him surviving until S8 in an epic crescendo of revelations, Sansa finally receiving the memo that LF was behind her House’s demise.
Wait is the show literally reusing the Ned Stark cloak that Sansa “made” for Jon? It looks exactly the same…
Lol yep. But he let one bad party with bad guests blow him off course. I think he is more sinister than he first appeared. As in life, we were all watching closely to see if he was as sincere as he seemed. Then, his smug smiles became more in number and longer lasting as the season progressed. He either wanted power from the beginning, or is enjoying the power he commands over the ruling family more than he thought he would. Either way, not a good trait in someone who goes to such extremes so quickly.
That is high-larious.
No. And my money is on LF not meeting his downfall until after Sandor brings Sansa that choice bit of info. I think that’s his main plot function left to play out – not, alas, Cleganebowl.
Catspaw Assassin,
Loras + Renly = Joffrey
I’d love to see Sam, Gilly, Jorah, Euron, and Edd again, but I’m not holding my breath. :/
Anyone else notice that Cersei in the trailer looks to be dressed much like Tywin (as hand of the king)? The crew is very particular about things like that.
Nadia,
I see LF as powerful in that he controls the vale army (and lords) through Sweetrobin and to a lesser extent, whatever his vale title is (or was that book only?) Short version: LF has more control over SR than Sansa does. Please let know if you disagree with my assumption of LF’s power grasp in the Vale.
Anyway, he’s not going to outright make demands of Sansa or threaten to use the army. He’ll be subtle of course. Offer “favors” and like Victarion says, “Euron’s gifts are poison” so too are LF’s. Sansa will prob recognize this now like Vic did. But still, back to the original question why would Sansa kill LF now? I am not asking rhetorically. My answer would be for power (ie taking over his control of the vale).
Singedbylife,
That was Sou (sorry Sou).
Firannion,
OT but bookSansa betrays Ned too
Nadia,
I feel he’s a villain to nobility in KL in general, which includes people beyond Cersei, who some may view as heroes (Marg, Tommen, Jamie, Olenna, Loras). The HS’s motives are not pure IMO. He’s manipulative and fueled by a need for power. I’m just not entirely sure what his end game is.
A PREDICTION; A PLAY IN ONE ACT
SCENE: A room in Winterfell. Melisandre, sitting, is combing her hair. Ser Davos enters.
Melisandre: Ser Davos, how opportune. I was just going to call upon you…
Davos: To do what, burn me alive like you did my friend Shireen?
[Davos draws his sword and thrusts it into Melisandre’s chest, piercing her heart]
Melisandre: But … ugghh … arrrrrr… ackkk
[Melisandre bursts into flame and ash ]
[Shireen skips into room, a large grin on her face]
Shireen: Oh look, Ser Davos, Mel brought me back to life! Isn’t that great?
[Zoom in on tight close-up of Davos looking straight at the camera, accompanied by sad trombone music. Cut to end credits.]
eejazz,
Right, although Cersei created and funded the HS and Faith Militant, and she’s the one who got them Marg and Loras.
Tycho Nestoris,
Wait, I never said that Sansa will kill LF.
I was responding to this notion that LF will demand some payment that is equal to being Warden of the North.
My point is that now that the battle is won and the Starks are back in Winterfell, he actually has LESS power than people are giving him credit for, less than he had before the battle
Tycho Nestoris,
Book-wise he is Lord Protector of the Vale and Lord Paramount of the Trident, which means he is the Frey’s overlord. I don’t recall what title he was granted in addition to Harranhal on the show.
Ice Spider and I will be together Sunday! We’ve talked on the phone throughout half of this season’s episodes, but we’ll be physically in the same place Sunday.
Nadia,
Yeah, Cersei’s certainly to blame for the whole situation, but I don’t think that inhibits the HS from being a villain.
I think he’s a perfect apt foil for Cersei. While he disapproves Cersei for many of the reasons the audience may (her crimes as well as general disregard for the common people), the writers have managed to fanaticize him enough to yield some sympathy for Cersei (likely in preparation for her demise). He managed to turn Tommen against Cersei, and we all know that her love for her children is really her only redeeming quality.
It is interesting to see how she’s done all of this to herself, yet to me at least, she’s coming out the other end more sympathetic. Perhaps just because of how pathetic the whole situation has become for her.
Firannion,
That or Bran tells her. If Bran knows the history of the World, as opposed to what could be seen through Weirwoods and other animals, etc. that his magic is attached to in the books, he could tell everybody, everything. That’s why I’m interested to see exactly what he’s privy to.
Naw, I don’t want to ruin your “rose” buzz. Go on and dream. But, is that really how she is described in the book when Ned finds her, with a crown of blue roses on her head? Can’t imagine it, unless she wisped around all day, every day with one on, and it was there when she went into labor. Oh well, I’m hyped about seeing it, too, and hope the question is answered this season, so that we can build on that info and go on to ponder other things in the two new seasons
Wimsey once implied that the HS might be the most evil person on the entire show, more so than Ramsay or Joffrey. I would never go that far. I don’t believe he’s a hypocrite; I believe he has good intentions; but I also believe his methods are Machiavellian and malevolent.
George,
or he appears as some sort of vision to Bran…
In another Obi-Wan moment?
Nadia,
Sorry, I thought this was my other LF thread. Thanks for answering anyway. I like the idea of LF’s power pre/post battle. Is it a mistake then for him or is it possible he formed an offscreen agreement with Sansa? Was his help a kind of “free of charge” apology for the Ramsay wedding? That reminds me of Pod for some reason…
Darkrobin,
Lord Protector! Yes, that’s what I was thinking of. I don’t think he got that in show. Thanks!
Littlefinger has been promised the title of Warden of the North by Cersei if he brings her Sansa. The North, has no army left to speak off (both Jon’s and Ramsay’s forces were downed) and Littlefinger’s Knights of the Vale barely took any casualties by the look of it. So I don’t get how you’re coming to the conclusion that he has less power. He has the biggest army, therefore he has the most power. If he wants to take her, he will and the North will have nothing to bring to the table.
Sansa killing Littlefinger in Winterfell is a book-theory.
Well and truly said. In many ways I could totally go along with his program, that is if he wasn’t smugly messing with characters we’ve grown to love to hate. The Lannisters may be evil, but they’re our evil.
Catspaw Assassin,
The Lannisters may be evil, but they’re our evil.
Damn! That’s a good one!
Tycho Nestoris,
I am wrong, he is LP in show too
Flayed Potatoes,
Spoiler code puhleeze. 😉
To quote William Muny in Unforgiven, “Deserves got nothin’ to do with it.” ?
I’m looking forward to seeing the Stark sigil back on Winterfell in the opening title sequence! ?
Thanks for the link! Great read with incisive psychological insights, demonstrating once again that, as the Maester-of-all-Maesters has observed, there’s really only one question:
‘To be, or not to be–that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them…’
For me, Jon’s defining stance, although culminating in the so-called ‘Mhysa’ moment, occurred much earlier in the sequence, firstly by choosing — perhaps for the first time ever — love over duty, by attempting to rescue Rickon; and then when that had failed, assuming his iconic position for the ages in front of the cavalry charge. As one of his many father-figures Aemon counseled Jon, embodying GRRM’s grim overarching Faulkneresque/Shakespearean credo of ‘the human heart in conflict with itself’, we always have this choice, cannot get away from having to choose, and must live with our choice — for better or for worse — for the rest of our days. Ironically, when he previously chose to do the opposite (choosing duty over love) by abandoning Ygritte, she also ended up dying in front of him like Rickon with a bolt to the heart, so who’s to say even in retrospect which choice was ‘righter’?
The arguments about Jon’s lack of pragmatism notwithstanding, at least Rickon knew in that moment as Jon was racing towards him on the field of play (which is not really ‘a game’, however many times that’s reiterated) and died knowing, that he was loved irrevocably by his half-brother (the same of which cannot be said for his full-blooded increasingly cold-blooded sister). Whatever one may think of his choices, what matters is that Jon made the choice to be himself, and to stand by that choice. And, importantly — because he’d inspired loyalty, earned the loyalty and love of his men, in contrast to the outcome in the cases respectively of the Masters of Slavers Bay and their bodyguards, and Ramsay and his hounds (‘they are loyal beasts’…)– his men in turn chose to stand by him and come to his rescue, throwing themselves into that desperate melee.
When he deliberately unsheathed Longclaw and consciously decided to face the oncoming cavalry charge, Kit Harington’s expression in that moment said it all: Jon was going to live or die — despite the slings and arrows or outrageous fortune — on his feet. Standing.
(It’s also worth noting that last season’s theme of ‘kill the boy’ was further fleshed out this season with the obvious symbolism inherent in ‘killing the bastard’; therefore, according to this ‘meta-‘ interpretation, the titular ‘battle of the bastards’ epitomizes Jon’s internal struggle with himself.)
Thanks for sharing — Beautiful! The anti-kennelmaster’s daughter arises! Great how Sansa the she-wolf, having appropriated Ramsay’s pack, is flanked on either side by her Bolton shadow hounds of hell that she’s about to unleash to do her bidding (proving that one should never write off a wolf, even if her name is ‘Lady’…). I love how the dramatic backlighting echoes Sapochnik’s cinematography (I believe he remarked it was his favorite work of the season) which so eloquently and ominously cast Sansa’s face in high-contrast half-light/half-dark, except in the ‘beautiful death’ rendition Sansa’s whole face is a bottomless dead mask (is she becoming ‘no-one’..?!) mirroring that of the psychopath she has just dispatched! Ultimately, the arrangement, as with Sapochnik’s cinematographic choices, poses as many uneasy questions as those it satisfies: namely, it’s hard to tell who exactly is behind bars — specifically which (and whose) side is Sansa on..? So, who is the prisoner, and is it really a liberation? Has she really become a wolf, or has she been reduced to a starving kennel dog — or is she still a little dove dressed up as a raptor in a mockingbird’s cage…
Time will tell. (If you think this has a happy ending…)
I noticed that on the first viewing, but it was so fast that I couldn’t tell if he was truly headless or if it was just my imagination – until Ozzy’s video.
I thought so as well.
Thanks, and it’s true. Who is this fanatical interloper who has the gall to f#ck with (as much as we hate them) our friends for ten weeks out of the year?
Which begs the question, when the good gals and guys win this game, what’s going to become of the religious fanatics? I’m looking forward to how they address that.
It’s actually 91,138 votes at the moment. Still 10/10. The 1500 number sounds like the graphtv stats that are pulled on Sundays or Mondays, sometimes before an episode airs.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4283088/
Or her head. Which is why I’m kind of worried about Sansa, and in deep admiration of the way this plot has played out to make us so uncertain, yet so interested in finding out what LF will do. His help might be as apology for Ramsay, but he is not so remorseful over her being used and abused (women being used and abused was his primary money-making business, don’t forget) that he will offer services and expect nothing in return.
It will all come down to what LF believes is best for LF – Is he aware of Cersei’s troubles in KL, and if so, does he think he can do better by allying himself with the Starks? If that happens, he becomes an enemy of the current Crown in power, which is still Tommen, and would include Jaime being angry at him. I’m not so sure he’s going to throw in with Sansa for old-times sake. That’s why I’m worried about her. He might insist on a tumble in bed, seeing that’s she’s no longer a virgin, and yet still betray her after getting himself a taste of her.
Who knows? If he sees himself down the line as a Great Lord, he is going to need a Great Lady beside him. Is Sansa still a great lady in his mind? Or has her unfortunate situation made her “dirty” and unworthy to him, so much so that he would think nothing of using her sexually, then discarding her. WE would see that as foul, but then, what does LF care about doing foul things? OH, he cares very much about being SEEN as foul, or about being called on his deeds, but he doesn’t think twice about DOING the deeds. Interesting situation. Get hype!
That would be ironic since Sansa is the opposite of a maid and Littlefinger is the opposite of a giant.
And it’s not hard to imagine the Hound citing Clint’s character in Gran Torino:
Geralt of Rivia,
I would love to see that Geralt! Would harken back to season 1 (or was it 2?) when Petyr tries to step to Cersei and she has her guards grab him and threatens him. “POWER is power.”
Little finger just annoys the sh*t out of me. He’s got what I like to call a “very punchable face.”
Ginevra,
Not really ironic. In the theory of the seven, where each Stark represents a facet of the seven-who-are-one, Sansa is “the maiden”. So not ironic, just a twist, which makes sense as far as prophecies go. They’re never straight forward.
Ginevra,
Never thought of it that way – but yes.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Littlefinger is what Ted Cruz imagines himself to be in the the morning while he’s shaving.
Obsessed with the soundtrack, is this the best one???. “Needle” is my favourite track. “The Winds of Winter” is amazing and I agree with all the comments that it must be for the final scene: Danny sailing to Westeros with Tyrion and The Greyjoys. Do you think Grey Worm and Missandei will stay in Meereen ruling??? I want to watch Theon’s reaction to the dragons.
This will be the best season finale ever with Cersei going totally crazy mode and the Starks recovering the North … If Arya appears to kill Walder Frey, it will be too perfect. And Bran’s flashback of the Tower of Joy … Epic, can’t wait. Hopefully, the Sand Snakes won’t ruin it.
Catspaw Assassin,
That’s just brilliant!
House Stackhouse,
OMG!!! All the years I’ve been watching, and I never realized that Kit H was actually Kit N. It’s like when I was seven and found out that Darth Vader actually meant dark father.
Talk about hiding something in plain sight.
Sansa has no interes of marrying Littlefinger, but Robin Arryn, if he dies Littlefinger lose his position, and (bold prediction) if he LF got killed in episode 10 it ll be by someone from the Vale maybe with Sansa aliance. But naah he will stay alive little bit longer i guess;
Jon probably will stay commander of the army of Winterfell, but he won’t rule; he need to prepare for the big battle; And the R+L = J revivel i think it’s just for the readers/watchers on the show to realise why Jon is so special and why he ll become the hero, but i don’t think it will affect his destiny in the serie or in the book, i don’t think he ll be legitimate or proclame King of the Westeros because he is Jon Targaryan; if he becomes king it will be in the end with the win or finding some solution with the White Walkers;
Cersai = Mad Queen;
Deny = I think that her story it will be easy for the final she will sail to Westeros, her difficulty it’ll be next season when arriving to Westeros; she will realise that she is the Queen of Ashies
And yes… For all who are saying that R+L=J is obivious , it’s not; before I start to read theories online i had no idea, till someone pointed you something and than it’s becoming clear; but for all my friends who don’t like to go and read theories and just watch the show it’s not something predictable.
Well if humanity succeeds in finding another habitable planet (and the means to get there) long before the sun expands into a red giant in the distant future, it will still be the bloody same? Full of lying and bullshitting politicians misleading the people to further their own careers and fill their bank accounts! Such is human nature unfortunately 😉
Do you think we’ll see Sam/Gilly and the Citadel? Where will Gilly go now since women can’t stay there?
Sand Snakes will have barely any screen time and maybe even no dialogue.
Catspaw Assassin,
Whoever sits on the Iron Throne in the end…assuming there is one….will probably have to pull a Henry VIII and make his/herself the head of the faith. Religion is a huge aspect of the culture (as it is based on medieval European culture) and it has been shown to be a source of strength/hope to the common folk. The future leader will have to be someone who is considered good and pious but at the same time is politically minded enough to negotiate the snake pit of “The Game”.
Jack Bauer 24,
I think we will definitely see Sam and I’m sure Gilly is nearby. He hasn’t really had her out of his sight since Mole’s Town.
Ser Oromis Locke,
Northerners will choose their leader. Since North and Vale are on good terms, Vale would respect their choice. They helped Sansa and she hold triumps. She could screw his plans.
Even though this is a plausible and perhaps even likely interpretation of that prophecy, it would still be ironic: little being giant, matron being maiden. Even the Maiden of the Seven, like our definition of maiden, represents chastity. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Maiden
Ginevra,
Sansa has been repeatedly raped, but she’s never had sex. As far as I’m concerned, she is still a maiden.
Littlefinger is not a giant in size, but in terms of influence in the show and the novels, he is metaphorically a giant. He is the reason behind Ned’s move to King’s Landing, and he creates the War of the Five Kings. He is THE player, far more influential than Varys or Tywin or Tyrion or Stannis.
So maiden killing the giant fits, both in show and in novels.
The Sphinx will find a way. Goodness gracious, I’ll scream for joy if we see Marwyn and Alleras!
Sam and Gilly are not going to Oldtown. He scratched that idea because Gilly can’t be with him at Oldtown. He’s got his father’s sword now. You know Sam, he can’t never do anything that doesn’t put someone in danger. He’s going back to the Wall(pursued by his father and maybe brother). He’ll arrive there(or at Winterfell) at the same time the WW arrive to breach the Wall. Sam’s father will wield his sword against the WW when they come through the Wall next season.
Ginevra,
Rape doesn’t count. 😛
Wow, that is powerful and awesome! It resolves most of the issues surrounding Jon’s decision, although I still have qualms about the sacrifice of hundreds of men for that move – not going after Rickon but the move to charge Ramsay, once Rickon was dead.
Non-consensual sex is still sex. Marriage still turns maidens into matrons. She’s completely blameless, of course, of course, of course, but she is no longer a virgin. I’m not sure how that’s even debatable. Her feelings toward sex would be anything but virgin-like and chaste. Her innocence has been clawed and ripped away from her very being.
I think it much more probable that Sansa will be proclaimed Queen in the North, or at least Lady of Winterfell. Sansa is Ned Stark’s last remaining child, at least insofar as anybody can quickly find. Jon is a bastard, and thus completely outside of the succession. Moreover, Jon would never let anyone give him that title while a Trueborn sibling was alive.
Now, the Wildlings might proclaim Jon to be King Beyond the Wall: his borderline insanity during the battle is the sort of thing they seem to genuinely respect!
Yeah, that really scuppers the idea of him going to Oldtown: he needs to go someplace his father will not be looking to find him. However: that would include the Wall! I am wondering if Sam, too, will (or has) set out to find Daeny.
But it’s not as far as you are concerned: it’s as far as people in Westeros would be concerned. And in that world, a rape-victim is not a maiden. Remember, maidens are important to these sorts of societies because a man who marries a maiden and who makes sure that no other men have sex with her can be certain that any children she bears are his. Moreover, nobody in Westeros would consider Sansa to have been raped. Husbands in these sorts of societies can do as they please with their wives: wives are their property for all intents and purposes.
At any rate, this prophecy has not been on the show, so there is no particular reason that there will be any fulfillment of it on the show.
That is a good way to put it. And MB&W have done this in different ways to all of the main characters. Now we are getting the phoenixes rising from those ashes!
Thronetender,
He would surely be aware of the key happenings in KL: Tommen being ‘captured’ by the Faith; Jamie turfed out of the kingsguard; the failure to rescue Marg and Cersei’s trial going ahead. All that would at least make him play for time to see how it turns out. He won’t be making any move against the Starks in the short term.
Same! I’m going to bury my head in Season 1 again, just for the distraction to the impending doom.
Wimsey,
Now, given what happened in episode 9, I would agree with you that all this is highly logical and likely to happen. In fact, before the season started I thought that Sansa would perhaps be declared Queen in the North…
However, it would appear that what you propose is incorrect because of…reasons.
It’ll be interesting to see exactly how episode 10 handles the Northern Plot.
King Beyond the Wall? What, Sansa will banish the Wildlings outside the wall after she becomes Lady of Winterfell ?
And what was so particularly borderline insane about Jon’s actions in the battle? The temerity to try and save Rickon’s life? Yeah, I’m sure the Northerners would be full of admiration for Jon Snow had he stood still and watched Rickon Stark die.
As Sansa put it, “The Northerners are different”. They value loyalty, courage and honor above all.
You think that charging an Army of 6,000 with a single horse is a reasonable military tactic?
Remember that Gilly in episode 6.03 said to Sam: “They say that Oldtown is the most beautiful City in Westeros…” If D&D weren’t planning showing this, they wouldn’t have written Gilly saying that to Sam (and the audience).
In all likelihood we’ll see an establishing shot showing Oldtown and/or the Citadel in episode 10. (Kinda like they showed Bear Island in episode 7)
The plot played out simple enough: Once Ramsay produced Rickon as source of target practice, all of Jon Snow’s plans were out the window.
There was only two things Jon could have done: (1) Stick to his plans and let Rickon die in front of him and all his men. A Stannis impression of cold-hearted fu*ker (2) Charge up field alone to do the right thing: try and save his brother, one of the reasons he started the War for in the first place.
Once he was in the center of the battle field, he had only one choice: To keep moving, unless he wanted to be an easy target for Bolton archers. I’ve seen people say “He should’ve turned back” ignoring the fact that such an escape would make the plot look silly. The only reason Ramsay pulled that Rickon drama was to isolate Jon. What, do we think he’d be eating popcorn had Jon given the slightest inkling of turning back?
The Sand Snakes will either be there in the background and have no dialogue or not be there at all…hopefully.
While it might feel satisfying to have the High Sparrow treat certain nobles with disdain and mistreat them for their transgressions, I do think it’s important to remember that the High Sparrow and the Faith Militant have hurt people for fanatical reasons.
Please don’t forget that they stormed a brothel, castrated a male prostitute, beat others, made a hypocritical priest walk the streets naked. They destroyed the casks wine merchants were selling. They basically stalked the streets and beat anyone who was ‘sinning against the Seven’.
Do you think Loras deserves his incarceration and torture for being gay?
How can you justify that? He never harmed anyone. Simply loved people of his own sex.
His sister, Margaery was imprisoned and mistreated for lying so that he wouldn’t be punished.
I think we all felt satisfaction when Cersei’s machinations turned back on her and she was imprisoned too, but I also think we were still supposed to feel uncomfortable and sympathetic when she endured the shaming walk of atonement. Remember that she had to do that for: fornication out of wedlock.
Let that sink in for a moment.
Can you imagine condoning that kind of punishment simply because someone had an affair?
Just because we like to see bad people like Cersei get taken down a peg, does that mean that the people punishing her are ‘good’ or even ‘righteous’?
I’m sorry, but the High Sparrow, to me, represents the worst kind of ideologue. The fanatic who may have sincere beliefs, but he uses them to hurt the wicked and innocent alike. He’s a jealous, envious man who is so blinded by his faith that he’d rather burn the city down due to its wickedness, rather than accept that not all men and women can be perfect and allow the Gods to sort it out. He’s essentially Ted Cruz or some zealot trying to enforce Sharia Law. He’s presuming to enforce what he sees as the Seven’s laws. Which, as we’ve seen so far are not particularly just or fair when you examine it. At least by modern standards. Seriously, think about the alleged crimes and what the punishments have been so far. They’re barbaric.
I do believe that the HS does covet power, that he’s envious of the nobles who’ve exploited their powers. Yes, he’s representing the downtrodden, but at the same time, he still feels that ALL gay people, all prostitutes, all liars, all fornicators, all who don’t pass his purity tests etc. must still be punished, imprisoned or forced to publicly repent.
That is both dangerous and villainous.
I love what you wrote here. Well-thought-out. Thank you!
Black Raven,
If we get the hang of the sort of travel possible in sci-fi (which LF apparently already has) we can probably have one planet each. Estimates of how many there might be vary widely but all involve very large numbers, comfortably above 7 or so billion. Do you know The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy? We could get our own tailor-made planets. I’d have one with weather I could control by telepathy 😀 Seems politicians and others in similar positions of power are almost universally distrusted, it’s just about the only thing politically-related that most people can agree on! 😉
I’ve watched the preview again this week, having not watched them for most of the season. I ended up watching Episode 9 on the Wednesday after it aired and I might have to do the same with the finale, so I need some hype in the meantime.
There are obvious parallels that they’re building between Ned/Catelyn and Jon/Sansa and Littlefinger’s ambitions.
Not sure if they’ll come to a head in this episode, but I think Littlefinger will definitely want Jon out of the way.
Like Brandon and Ned, Jon is a warrior. A soldier. An “impressive specimen”, as he described Ned. If Jon comes between Littlefinger and Sansa, or rather perhaps his ambition to use and manipulate Sansa to his own end, then he’s going to try to get rid of Jon.
I think he might try and pitch Jon as a potential rival for ruler of Winterfell to Sansa, and try to sow division between them. And the Northern storyline in this episode will be about Sansa’s dilemma.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Littlefinger last through into next season, at least, because next season will require a few minor antagonists like Littlefinger and Euron just to keep things ticking over until the White Walker invasion.
Wimsey,
I can totally see Sam ending up in Daenerys’ company.
He’s got the connection to her through Maester Aemon.
I could see Heartsbane ending up in her possession. Arya mentioned a few seasons back about Visenya Targaryen riding into battle on her dragon wielding a Valyrian steel sword. And Heartsbane was already used to support the Targaryen dynasty once before.
And somebody has to inform Daenerys of the real threat to Westeros.
So, how could Sam get to Daenerys?
Well, isn’t there a famous pirate planning to sail his armada of ships from the Iron Islands down the west coast of Westeros, past Oldtown and over to Slaver’s Bay?
Hmm… interesting.
Jack Bauer 24,
I didn’t like the Dorne scene in the premiere and it ruin that episode for me. I will be annoyed if Ellaria says Doran’s speech of the books … But you’re right there will be several scenes to compensate in the worst case scenario. The premiere was short.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Iam sorry but I didn’t know heartsbane was used to belong targaryens once ..are you sure about this one..
Dany don’t know to wield a sword so she can’t carry it or use it..
But she has peomised jorah a valyrion steel sword ..maybe she will give it to him.
Sam will go to dany I agree with that but he will.go to her once she comes to westeros…
I don’t think anyone is going to go to dany from citadel next episode because dany will.be start sailing at the end..
So I expect marwyn or sam to go to dany after she comes west
I wouldn’t mind if the “bittersweet” ending for ASOIAF turned out to be Westeros becoming a republic though that’s possibly not the GRRM way. The Sparrows have a good point in that they care about the man/woman in the street but they lose it straightaway by being too extreme. Okay Cersei is detestable and has done many bad things but why does she get to make the walk of shame because she is a woman? Presumably Lancel didn’t have to make the walk.
Before Sansa let the dogs out I had thought perhaps Bran might warg long distance into Ramsay’s dogs or Ghost might go full metal direwolf on him. Going back to season 2 or ACOK I was glad that Sansa retained enough of her humanity to save Ser Dontas (albeit Littlefinger did for him in the next book) so I hope she doesn’t become too cold and calculating.
I know book Rickon is somewhere else at this stage in the game but I was pleased show Jon still retained enough humanity to want to save his show (presumed) half-brother. On the whole I watch the show as the show now – Dorne could have been handled better is a point I will concede to the book Jodrell bankers.
Ginevra,
Sansa was a maiden when the old woman said the prophecy in the books … It didn’t happen in the show. But the main event “kill a giant” could still happen …. It doesn’t matter if she is a maiden. Lysa married Jon Arryn after having an abortion of Littlefinger’s child. Everyone knew it and she wouldn’t have married with another Lord’s son. She married an old man because of that. However, in the case of Sansa, she was married with Ramsay. It wasn’t a dishonourable act. A Lord’s son could still marry Sansa for her status and besides she is really beautiful. Also Lady Dustin wasn’t a maiden when she married. Roose actually didn’t care if Sansa was a maiden.
Ok so feeling a bit bored and tinfoily. Haven’t seen this suggested so far, apologies if it already has been. Jaime is apparently at the Twins and looks seriously underwhelmed to be there, like really annoyed rather than just I-want-to-go-home bored. Something has to be going on or they wouldn’t bother including it.
A celebration where nothing untoward happens seems quite unlikely (although obviously possible). Walder looks very pleased with himself which is never a good sign. IIRC Jaime promised those inside Riverrun could leave safely if they laid down their arms and gave up the castle, which they apparently did. What if the Freys then pulled a RW and attacked them once they were defenseless, thus totally renaging on the deal and making Jaime’s sworn promise worthless? If this is the case he’d be fantastically pissed off at Walder, who wouldn’t give a damn and would probably say something like “As a kingslaying member of the King’s Guard you’re the ultimate oathbreaker anyway so your word is worthless”. What Jaime would then do I don’t know? Kill Walder thus avenging the Tullys and inadvertently Starks too? (I know people hope Arya does that). Declare the Crown’s support for the Freys null and void and leave them to their fate? Not sure about the second bit but anyone think the first part, the Frey double-cross, is plausible or am I barking up the wrong tree as usual? 😀
Dame of Mercia,
Full metal direwolf. Love it 😀
Dame of Mercia,
The first to do the walk of shame was a man, the former High Septon. Cersei was targeted by the High Sparrow mostly to strip her of her power by stripping her of her prestige and accoutrements. Then Margaery and Loras were targeted to get to Tommen. The High Sparrow will continue to target any threats to his power. As long as he lives, that is.
jpwf,
Yes Sam told Jon when Roose sent that guy ( can’t remember his name) to join the Nightwatch and kill Bran. It was in season 4, if I remember correctly.
Mag,
Yes, I’m sure that Sansa can remarry. Most high lords and perhaps even lords will care very much that she’s already been married. Twice. But not all will care so much. She can and likely will still remarry. But that doesn’t change the fact that she is not a maiden. She is not a virgin and she has been married – a widow is never called a maiden. Both of these make her not a maiden. Her maidenhood is gone.
dragonbringer,
Randyll Tarly and his House fought on the side of the Targaryens during Robert’s Rebellion as part of the Tyrell forces. That’s when Heartsbane would have been used in the name of House Targaryen.
I know Daenerys doesn’t wield a sword, but she really should have some sort protection other than just Drogon if she’s going into battle. She could carry a Valyrian steel sword symbolically if nothing else. Or, as you suggest, she could have a champion wield it on her behalf, such as Jorah or Daario.
I don’t remember her promising Jorah a Valyrian steel sword. Was that on the show or in the books?
I can’t see Daenerys setting sail for Westeros by the end of this season, sadly. She still doesn’t have the necessary ships and will have to defeat Euron first.
I think a few early episodes of next season will involve her defeating Euron (at which point she could meet Sam, in my scenario), leaving Slaver’s Bay once and for all and making her way to Westeros. And the season will culminate in her arrival in Westeros. Then the final season will portray the climactic war for the dawn.
That’s just how I see it playing out anyway.
Well, he does tend to resort to things like withholding water & food, intimidation, very probably beatings and “walks of shame” in his methods.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
I really don’t think we’re going to see him.
What would we see?
OT: Just wanna say that I finally rewatched episode 9, and I am absolutely in love with that episode.
It really bothered me that Sansa didn’t tell Jon about writing to the vale army. But upon rewatch, jons reactions to what she was saying about Ramsay were kind of like he wasn’t agreeing with her, so I don’t think she trusted him in that moment to tell him, especially that she probably didn’t have confirmation that LF was coming. I do think she should have told him from the beginning that she was in contact with LF and things would’ve been different. Alas, they won the battle, and Jon tormund and Davos are still alive and kicking. My life is complete.
My hopes now is that LF doesn’t win Sansa back. Use him lady!!!! Use him!!!
Also, aside from this episode being an obvious key moment in Sansa’s life, this episode was also all about Jon. Simply perfect ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It definately has become my top episode of the series. Followed very closely by Hardhome.
People seem to have forgotten this is a post for everyone, including the Unsullied. Cover and label your spoilers as needed, please!
Dee Stark,
It’s my top episode as well! My second favourite is Watchers on the Wall, for obvious reasons 😀
Dee Stark,
I’ve watched this episode a few times and the impact on me has not diminished one bit. Marvelous episode. From Meereen to Winterfell. Just wow.
If you haven’t read this great analysis of our man Jon’s story arc this season, read away:
https://am.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4pndkb/everything_jons_story_in_battle_of_the_bastards/
Sue the Fury,
Whoops sorry hope that wasn’t me! I got my threads confused and thought I was in the photos for ep10 one 🙁 My post is total speculation anyway so almost 100% guaranteed to be completely wrong! 😀
Dee Stark,
Maybe they could show a scene with him on the Iron Islands introducing a certain artifact. Maybe he takes a trip to Mereen with only a couple of ships to sneak in and try to kill Yara and Theon. Maybe he arrives in Mereen with 1000 ships already finished (which would get criticized).
There is a lot they could do. I think they almost have to include him in this episode if they’re really going to set him up as a major force for next season, don’t you think?
Ramsay's 20th Good Man,
Daeny doesn’t need Valyrian steel sword. If you have one, then you have to use it. Not just for the sake of having sword.
Sam,
I have read it and it is exactly how I have felt all season 🙂
LatrineDiggerBrian,
I see
Honestly , it’s been set up so far perfectly that dany yara and theon will have a big enemy when they get to westeros. I don’t think we need to see any more of him to confirm that. I think it would be wasting precious minutes on unnecessary things
That’s my opinion . I definately don’t think he’s going to arrive in meereen next episode
Sam,
Excellent thorough analysis! 🙂 Well done to the person who wrote this, it shows exactly what a beautiful and complex character Jon is.
Rhaenys Stark,
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Dee Stark,
Euron will definitely sail to Mereen to meet with Dany before she arrives in Westeros. They’ve set that up already or else his whole monologue about wanting 1000 ships is pointless. Even Daario told her she’d need 1000 ships, and the master’s fleet definitely wasn’t 1000 ships. She still doesn’t have enough ships.
Sam,
wow, very interesting comments, thanks for sharing that.
If they bring up the parchment in which Robb made him his successor he has the stronger claim.
The more I watch the trailer for this upcoming episode, the more I see some stench coming from it.
Maybe they’ll have a good reason for having Jaime be at The Twins, but I have a feeling it’s just to force whatever they want to happen (and no, Edmure is not a good enough reason for Jaime to travel so far out of the way when Cersei is about to stand trial).
Also, Tyrion’s line to Dany: “You’re in the great game now and the great game is terrifying” is ridiculous. I’d say she’s already been in the great game for pretty much her entire life and has already had a million horrible things happen to her.
It only happened in the books, not the show.
Dee Stark,
Yeah I think it would make more sense if we see him going to his plan b…which will have to be pretty darn scary if he wants to be the bad guy since Dany is basically unstoppable at the moment.
I do think he might have someone nearby though-I mean, it seems odd for the Harpies OR the slavers to burn Dany’s ships in the harbor when their whole reason for existing was to make her leave Slaver’s Bay.
Is it a coincidence that five minutes later Euron arrives home to take over Iron Islands so they can build 1000 ships for Dany?
PS is Daario really good with women, fighting AND math? Because he calculated that rather quickly. How many ships do we need? Oh about 1000.
Now that I’ve written that down I’m worried about Yara…
Another thing that stuck me on re-watch was that they did set it up at least a little to kind of give the ultimate victory to Jon as opposed to Littlefinger. Particularly with Ramsey’s remarks that the Vale & Stark forces didn’t have enough men to successfully siege the castle. It was Jon following Ramsey and the devotion of Wun Wun following him that overcame the castle before they could mount a defense of it (you would have thought that Littlefinger or Bronze Yohn would have kept a contingent in place to keep Ramsey and others from fleeing back to the castle).
Geralt of Rivia,
Is Samwell Tarly going to march into battle with Heartsbane?
If not, then who is?
The producers had Sam take it for a reason. It’s going to end up in the hands of somebody important. Somebody who will be fighting in the war against the White Walkers.
We already have three Valyrian steel swords in Westeros which are likely to end up being wielded by our Westerosi heroes. I think it’d make sense if Daenerys ends up with one too. Like I said, I’d be happy for a champion to wield it on her behalf. But I think it’ll end up in her possession rather than remain in Sam’s.
And we know that Arya mentioned Visenya Targaryen who fought alongside Aegon the Conqueror with her Valyrian steel sword. Unless that reference was meant to exclusively foreshadow Jon Snow/Targaryen with Longclaw fighting alongside Daenerys “the Conqueror”, I think it could apply to Daenerys.
Daenerys isn’t going to become some master sword fighter overnight. But I find it hard to believe that the producers will have her fly into battle, a proper battle, with no armour or other protection. Would Daario and Grey Worm let her ride into battle with no protection?
Is she going to conquer Westeros and defeat the White Walkers without ever facing any sort of peril? Just riding on the back of Drogon completely invincible? That’d be pretty boring.
I could totally see the producers having her kill at least one White Walker.
Of course this is complete speculation and I could be entirely and utterly wrong about what they plan to do. But I think it’d make sense.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
The episode sucks before you even watch it?
Seriously you’re just asking for it now
And I disagree regarding euron or else that means dany will stay there next season
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Dany is definitely leaving Mereen. They established they had just enough ships to make it work last episode. There are only 13 more episodes left of the entire series. Anything Euron has up his sleeve now will have to be in Westeros.
And don’t you think there could be another reason that Daario and Euron mentioned the exact same number of ships? That maybe there’s more to that than a rough headcount?
Dee Stark,
Rhaenys Stark,
ash,
I’ve read complaints about how he’s become a “weakling” and even moodier and more brooding after his resurrection. I’ve contended that he’s going through an internal struggle considering the traumatic event that he just went through. Yes, I would have loved to see him speaking about his inner turmoil to someone but then, he’s a true-blue introvert! And so he just internalized his distress. I thought Kit did darn well playing tormented post-rez Jon. And then in ep9 we witnessed his rebirth.
Dolorous Methuselah,
I haven’t thought of it that way but you’re right. Jon capturing Ramsay is what technically ended the battle.
RG,
She has got to sail for Westeros in the finale. Or we riot. 🙂
Sam,
Yes he did 🙂 With his bare hands…and a Wun Wun.
Dee Stark,
Don’t worry he has done nothing but complain about everything since the beginning of the season.
Right? How can that even be possible? LOL. Anyway, I’m so looking forward to this episode. I have a feeling this will set up quite well the stage for the different story arcs in season 7. Just 30+ hours to go!
Sam,
Me too!! Liam/Davos actually said this 10 would be different from the others in that-more than set up-it would be basically just as big as 9, minus the battles. 🙂
Plus I’m now a fan of this director so I’m expecting great things.
RG,
If the preview is anything to go by, she’s not leaving Meereen in the finale.
There are two distinct scenes shown, one with Tyrion and one with Daario, and they both appear to involve a lot of talking and not much preparation for embarking on a conquest.
I know Game of Thrones has gone a bit Hollywood at times this season, with all the teleporting and Arya’s magic healing abilities, but surely they can’t just have her embarking on her ultimate conquest journey in a brief scene with no build-up.
Especially since she finally just vanquished the Masters only 5 minutes ago. The dust has barely settled. And Meereen took a pretty brutal pounding under siege. She wouldn’t be much of a queen to just take her leave before Meereen has had a chance to recover.
Gathering supplies and equipment, manning the ships and preparing the logistics of sailing 100,000 men on a conquest to the other side of the world would take a hell of a lot of planning.
And they surely wouldn’t risk encountering Euron’s fleet, which they know will be larger and hostile, on the open sea with all their forces crammed onto their ships. It’d be suicidal.
As desperate as I am for her to finally leave Slaver’s Bay, I think it’d be too Hollywood to have her simply shove her men onto ships and be on her way by the end of the finale.
I also think that with 13 episodes left that’s still too many for her to arrive in Westeros early next season. I think she’ll get the whole of Season 8 and maybe a couple of episodes of Season 7 in Westeros at most.
RG,
Yes, and Liam said major changes are happening this episode (or something like that). I love changes! I have a feeling Sapochnik will be able to tie things up very nicely. He’s proven himself to be a fantastic director. And so, I don’t worry because the finale is in capable hands.
Rhaenys Stark,
Well it’s just silly to say that before watching an episode
Markus Stark user has been unimpressed with many things this season but he always remains positive for the episode to come. That’s how you have to be
Anyway I AM NOT LETTING ANYONE BRING ME DOWN ANY MORE.
Dee Stark,
I never said that. I’m just pointing out two things that annoyed me.
As for Euron, then why did they have him go through that speech of building 1000 ships? I think she’ll start next season in Mereen, and eventually will sail over. But I think it might be as Euron’s prisoner. And I think Tyrion will be out of the equation somehow, no way he signs on to trust Euron.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
I don’t think they’re
Going to show us “preparation ” for westeros
I think I see sad faces in the photo because they’re leaving the unsullied behind or something like
With 13 episodes left, there’s the arrival to westeros , a few episodes of her getting to kings landing , making more alliances, shit with euron, learning of the Great War…. all this can happen in season 7
Season 8 is the Great War.
RG,
Again, but why did they have Euron go through the whole speech of building 1000 ships? It’s completely pointless if she just sails to Westeros without needing anymore ships.
And no way I agree with the theory you’re referring to!
LatrineDiggerBrian,
As eurons prisoner???
That’s a little far fetched
Lol
LatrineDiggerBrian,
They made euron say that because that’s how theon and yara got the idea to go seek her out first
Dee Stark,
I’m referring to his speech after they left. Remember after he saw the Iron Fleet leaving, he turned around and told all of his followers to build him 1000 ships?
Dude, Euron is coming and it’s not going to be pretty. Just accept it.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Okay dude
So euron is coming and Dany is gonna get captured on Sunday
Dee Stark,
I don’t know if she’s going to get captured, but I’m pretty sure he’s coming. They’ve set it up already. Don’t know if it’ll be this last episode or early next season, but I’m almost certain it’s going to happen.
It is indeed a lesser theory. 🙂 Robert was nowhere near Lyanna when Jon was conceived. He’s somewhere else leading his rebellion. And I can’t imagine Ned would remain best friends with Robert if he’d learned from Lyanna that Robert forced himself on her (which led to her pregnancy that led to her eventual death). Also, TOJ was being guarded by the kingsguard, including the best fighter/swordsman in Westeros. I suppose Lyanna would have been well-guarded the whole 2 years or so of the rebellion. At what point would Lyanna would have been unguarded that Robert would have had the opportunity to impregnate her?
1. Would Jamie really know that Trial by Combat was abolished by Tommen? If he knew, I agree he wouldn’t be at the Twins…not that he necessarily wants to be there…in all the available photos from the Twins Jaime has a face that to me says either ” I don’t wanna be here” or maybe “I feel something is going down here pretty soon and I need to leave ASAP.”
2.The whole line is “Are You afraid? Good, you should be, you’re in the great game now, and the great game is terrifying” My take is that something goes down in Meereen that none of us are expecting, and this prompts Tyrion’s line (assassination attempt on Dany? Daario is the freaking leader of the Harpies after all? A faceless man hired by Euron kills Yara and or Theon??)
George,
1) OK, but even if Jaime still thinks there is a trial by combat, wouldn’t he want to be back for it? Because ya know, if the Mountain loses, Cersei is in trouble and in Westeros, no one is invincible. That’s kind of why I had a problem with Jaime leaving in the first place. And I think by now he would’ve received a raven.
2) Like you say, it all depends on the context of when he says it and what she says back, but it just seems odd considering all the stuff she’s gone through. I guess her being parentless and running from city to city with her abusive brother to avoid assassins, being raped by her husband, seeing said husband die after she falls in love with him, watching her followers get massacred in Quarth, getting attacked by Harpies, and watching Ser Barristan die were all the mini games?
Alright guys I’m out of here, I’ll be back to comment after the episode is finished and I promise if the episode is good, I’ll give credit where it’s due. If not I’m going to give my opinion. I’m guessing there will be some stuff I like, so I’ll try to focus on both the stuff I liked and disliked even if I didn’t like the episode as a whole.
I guess you missed the part where Tommen banished Jaime from King’s Landing and ordered him to go to the Riverlands.
Dee Stark,
I disagree. I think when she arrives in Westeros it’ll already be in meltdown. I don’t think they’re going to bother with her going round the houses making alliances and trying to make a claim to the Iron Throne, especially after her “break the wheel” speech.
I think by the time she arrives in Westeros the wheel will already be broken and the White Walker threat will be right on the horizon, if not already under way.
I think she’ll arrive to find a situation where she is forced to be Westeros’s saviour rather than its conqueror.
As for the “preparation” I don’t necessarily mean literal shots of them loading the ships or anything, I just mean some expository scenes where they mention the plans or a timeline and clarify the situation in Slaver’s Bay before she just goes swanning off to Westeros.
I think it’s quite likely, given one of the available cues from the soundtrack published yesterday, that the last scene of the season is Dany sailing to Westeros.
The Dany as Euron’s prisioner might happen in the books, given the latest Winds preview chapter (the one George read at Balticon), but I don’t think that’s happening in the show.
Things I can’t wait to see in the finale:
The fallout from BotB. Who’s ruling WF, Jon or Sansa? Who will Jon choose: Davos or Mel? Will Jon go down to the crypts to say a final farewell to Ned? Will Lord Glover pledge fealty to House Stark once again? Can we get more Lyanna Mormont, please?! A glimpse of Ghost would be great!
Will Bran and Meera make it passed the Wall? Or is Bran doomed to stay north of it because of the Night King’s mark? Bran’s final vision!!
Will my girl Arya make an appearance?? If she does, can she please reunite with Nymeria.
I’d love to see the Hound and the BWB run into Brienne and Pod as they all make their way North. If they can pick up Arya on the way, I’d be delighted.
Can I get a scene of Tormund and the Wildlings adjusting to life in a castle?
I can’t wait for the finale but I’m bummed that there won’t be a new GOT next Sunday or for the next 40+ Sundays. I do think this off season will be easier for me because I won’t have to worry about the fate of Jon Snow. Last year was brutal, even though I was 99% sure he’d come back.
Because Euron is a pompous twat.
The trailer for episode 10 has already a stench? Hold your breath, like..forever.
I am all for a sensible discussion. But coming here, shitting on a show that everyone her loves and dismissing other folks opinions won’t make you any friends.
#movingon
Gals and Guys, should it come to pass that
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I agree with you that in the photos it would seem to me that Jaime has a sense that something is going down imminently…I just don’t really know what’s going down with Jamie…I’m stumped….are we getting “good Jaime”or “bad Jaime” in the next episode??
BunBunStark,
I think that could happen.
It’s been exactly two seasons since Brienne and the Hound last encountered each other. At that point the Hound was effectively Arya’s sworn sword. Now Brienne is Sansa’s.
The Brotherhood mentioned that they are committed to fighting the “cold winds rising in the North”. They might be interested to hear from Brienne about a certain someone who was resurrected by a Red Priestess who they’re familiar with.
Wimsey,
Discounting the modern pov implies that we were meant to accept Sansa’s wedding night as sex. That’s clearly off.
There’s also the fact that no one on the show or in the novels sees Ramsay’s treatment of his wife as acceptable. In that, the fictional characters share the modern pov. They might not call what happened to her “rape,” but Sansa was abused, tortured. She didn’t “have sex” with Ramsay…which can easily work into “maiden-giant” scenario, as prophecies are a bitch to interpret.
Totally agree that this is all meaningless as the prophecy isn’t even on the show!
See, that’s the only thing I can come up with. She just destroyed the slavers and harpies without breaking a sweat. The great game is about betrayal, not knowing who you can trust, plots within plots etc. LF level stuff.
Daario is more than he seems. Either we find out he’s been working for Euron and tries to screw with the new alliance or kill Yara…or he led the Harpies because he was bored and/or for the money.
Unless Missendei is a FM or secret Warlock that suddenly goes on a killing spree… I can’t imagine another scenario that would shake Dany’s confidence at this point and require that speech from Tyrion.
George,
The sword has to be going where it will do the most good. We may have a little over 10 episodes in the projected 2 seasons left. If the WW reach Oldtown, the battle is over. You can start calling Westeros by it’s new name, Whitewalkerland. If the people of Westeros are to survive, they have to meet and defeat the WW in the North. The sword is going North. And Sam and Gilly with little Sam followed closely by Sam’s father traveling along with it.
Lord Of Lite,
Wouldn’t it be smarter to use the sword to find out why it works on WWs, if the Citadel has the exact info on how it’s made, and anything he can about obsidian locations?
Sam going back to the Wall without having learned a single thing to help Jon seems like a wasted trip to me.
It’s nice to see people spreading their political ignorance and stupidity over to GoT and this site.
Some of us tried to escape the lies and nonsense of politics and the bootlickers that follow it. But you did your job well, and managed to find us.
Young Dragon,
Really? Jaime is just going to listen when Cersei’s life is on the line? He’s just gonna go off on some mission he could care less about and miss her trial by combat?
George,
So the scene with Euron asking his followers to build 1000 ships, why was that there? They put that there for a reason. I don’t understand why you’re just ignoring it. So Dany will sail to Westeros, and they’ll cut to a scene of Euron going “oh sorry guys I was wrong we don’t need 1000 ships just like 50 maybe?”. Or are they just going to ignore it?
newbietothegame,
So they put in a whole speech from Euron to his followers about building 1000 ships just to show he’s a pompous twat? OK…
I don’t care about licking peoples boots to make friends. Maybe you do. And I never ever dismissed anyones opinions. All I did was express my own opinion about two things that bothered me about the trailer and I had someone get so mad, that to get back at me they spoiled the last episode for everyone.
I’ve loved the show as much as everyone else, I’ve even liked episodes this season and have commented when I did. Grow up and learn to deal with it when someone has different opinions than you.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Gives them something to do while Yara returns with… just one dragon will do. No more Euron and no more challenge to a female ruler.
George,
Maybe Jaime is pulling that face because someone started making rubbish stump jokes? 😀 I think something has to happen because they’d be unlikely to show us everyone sitting around chatting/celebrating/whatever if everything has gone according to the plan we already know about and there’s no pay off. It might be that Jaime takes a big decision as a result of what’s going on here; leaves before things kick off, thus narrowly avoiding it; or is there when something big happens or major news is received. But I imagine the fact he is still with the Freys means he’s tied into whatever happens. If not, why bother having him there? ?
RG,
Agreed. I’ve read the book. But, we’re making sausage here. A sword in the hand is worth a crow flying back and forth with research work on how it operates.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
That’s terrible
Spoiled you how? There’s no leaks
George,
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but that “Are you afraid? Good. You should be…” line echoes Theon’s response to Robb Stark calling the banners and marching on King’s Landing all the way back in Season 1.
They might have added it just as a nod to the past. Or they may be using it to try to display some humanity and vulnerability in the new super-confident Daenerys, so that she’s more relatable.
Theon’s reasoning was that Robb’s fear showed that he wasn’t stupid. I don’t know if something will happen in the finale to knock Daenerys’ confidence. But I think it’s necessary to rein in her apparent invulnerability a bit after she dealt with the Khals and the Masters so comprehensively. Just as we continue to see flaws in Jon Snow’s character.
If she’s not afraid of the challenges she’s facing, the sort of challenges that numerous characters have been engaged in and fallen already so far, then where is our investment in her story and how does it undermine the other characters and their stories?
OT: Can someone link that picture where someone counted the bodies during the battle of the bastards
cant find anywhere
There’s a reason Daario is in the preview, methinks. Something’s up.
Dee Stark,
I thought there were summary leaks of the last two episodes? I’m glad you missed it, but this guy Tormund’s Teeth got mad at me for criticizing the show, and he made a post telling me what was in the leaked outline. I only saw one major thing really, the mods came in pretty quickly and deleted it thankfully.
Lord Of Lite,
Why do you say “no more challenge to a female ruler”? Do you think female characters should get special treatment in shows?
MountainThatRides,
Burn the Mall!!! Those horrible shoppers 😉
Succubint,
I think we all felt satisfaction when Cersei’s machinations turned back on her and she was imprisoned too, but I also think we were still supposed to feel uncomfortable and sympathetic when she endured the shaming walk of atonement. Remember that she had to do that for: fornication out of wedlock.
One result of making Cersei more nuanced in the show meant that
So I would agree it is extreme for even three fornifications, but given everything else book!Cersei did, and
given her overall book crimes, I believe the penalty for all her crimes would be death.
So I felt that she did not deserve the Walk for her show crimes, I don’t even know if highborn had to suffer such in teh middle ages. But for her book crimes she should receive far worse.
Sam + Jorah: THE KEY?
This post got me thinking and connected some theories of my own…
https://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-season-6-finale-preview-winds-winter/#comment-656154
Dany needs 1,000 ships (Euron and Daario guns on wall); Yara/Theon have only 100.
Sam knows that Stannis Baratheon’s fleet is parked at Eastwatch.
These ships carried thousands of HH refugees.
Jorah seeks a Greyscale cure at The Citadel, where he meets Sam.
Jorah connects with cousin Lyanna and the Starks.
Davos The Sailorman delivers Stannis’ navy to Dany.
Somehow, Jorah is healed. Maybe Valyrian steel is involved.
Maybe Gilly contributes some info (one of her sisters died of Greyscale).
Shireen, a GS survivor, taught Gilly to read (gun on wall?).
Sam has a Valyrian sword. Someone said that Dany promised one to Jorah (true? gun on wall?).
Stannis told him about abundant dragonglass at Dragonstone and urged him to learn more.
Maesters’ chains have Valyrian steel links, so Sam doesn’t need Heartsbane.
He gives it to Jorah, who rejoins Dany (where? when?).
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Back in Season 2, Sam was The One who found dragonglass weapons at the fist of the first men.
The scene a bit later when the WW saw him hiding and passed by totally throbbed me.
Pet Theory
Sam continues study at The Citadel.
He teams with Gendry to produce weapons that kill WWs (ASAP!).
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Otherwise he’ll have to be prominantly featured on previously on game of thrones 🙂
LatrineDiggerBrian,
BTW I’d like to see Euron as well. And I think that he is perhaps the only thing standing between Dany and Westeros – other than some really bad storms … but those only seem to happen in the books 🙂
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Don’t pay attention to Tormund’s Tooth. You are just another in the long line of people to receive comments like that.
https://media.riffsy.com/images/f0ffbd30749af18c87f550b839a4ff9f/raw
I’m reading this thread backwards. I don’t know why.
ForestLight,
^ This.
Darkrobin,
I noticed this as well! They go out of his way to show him. And every time he’s on there, I think he’s gonna appear in the episode and never does 🙁
Euron is an awesome character in the books. I just read the transcript of the latest chapter George read, and I had nightmares after it. I would love it if he somehow becomes the ultimate villain on the show. A lot softy fans don’t want him on there because they’re afraid of the things he’ll do to their favorite characters. I say bring it, it’ll add so much more tension.
Regarding Tormund’s Teeth, did the last episode summary leak?
I’m stupid crazy excited for tomorrow night. I can’t help it.
I think the ticker on the top of this page is going in slow-mo. Why isn’t it Sunday yet? Can’t we just swap Saturday and Sunday, for one week?
Help. I’m losin’ it. 😉
LatrineDiggerBrian,
I don’t know I missed the exchange earlier and I haven’t tried to find out. I want to be surprised for once (to the extent I haven’t been able to piece things together from the high level of foreshadowing the show has done on a couple of the arcs).
This is not the sort of story with “villains,” so there is not going to be an ultimate one. (Martin has detailed the theory of storytelling to which he ascribes more than once!) Moreover, if it was that sort of story, then Euron would have had to be have been introduced much earlier in the overall story and gotten much more development than he has.
The fan buildup around Euron is almost certainly another Mt. Molehill. His purpose in the show and (most probably) the books is going to be to get Theon and his sister where they need to be for the climax of the story. He’s an incidental character, and nothing more than that.
Dee Stark,
and this is the best,most polite,reasonable site there is! You should see the others!! They are absolutely horrific! 🙁
Daeny also has the Volantene fleet: remember, she only torched a couple of ships. Tyrion estimated that they had just enough ships to get their alliance to Westeros.
Jorah will know that the Maesters do not know how to cure grayscale: he will look elsewhere. At this point, the Red Priests are our best bet. And Sam cannot go to the Citadel: his father would look for him there, and that means that Sam has to go somewhere that his father would not think to look for him. (That should cross out the Wall, too.)
The Maesters have had access to Valyrian steel for centuries. Between their natural curiosity and the fact that there would be a huge economic rewards for unlocking the secrets of Valyrian steel, there is no way that there have not been dozens of the bests and brightest minds trying to see if they could unlock the secrets of how it is made. It would be a colossal idiot plot for the first order if Sam were to suddenly be able to figure it out.
Wiping out the White Walkers almost certainly will not be the zenith of the plot! This is a story about enduring damned-if-you-do-or-don’t scenarios. The crux at the end is going to involve Jon, Daeny, Tyrion, etc., trying to make the least awful choices among a set of bad, horrible and horrifically awful choices. The Walkers will be part of it. After all, the Walkers are not “evil”: they were created to fight an evil (humanity), and merely have taken their directive a step further. Jon and Daeny in particular have major “saving people” complexes, and they almost certainly are going to learn the “why” of the Walkers. The way in which those two in particular (as well as Tyrion, Bran, Arya and probably Sansa) have evolved from Thrones -> Spring is going to set up the finish: it will not be some plot-driven resolution involving recovering secrets for weapons of mass destruction!
If you’ve heard/ read the transcript of George’s most recent Ironborn chapter, that doesn’t seem to be the case, at all (the Aeron POV he recently read at Balticon). He seems to be setting up Euron as a very big deal. Anything to delay further the narrative in the books, I guess.
I agree that he’ll amount to much less in the show , since Dragonbinder is absent and the likelihood that he’s going to have a set of Valyrian steel armor in the show is exactly zero…
There’s one other thing I’ve been wondering about. Isnt’ a certain woman from Tyrion’s past supposed to appear this season? We haven’t seen her yet. Hmmn…
There HS not that bad, WTF. Loras is imprisoned for being gay. Marg was imprisoned for lying to protect her brother. The HS thinks women should be subservient to men. He is a religious extremist. Plain and simple. And if you don’t think thats dangerous or evil. Turn on the news. I’ll take Cerci any day. Plus she dresses better. ?
Lyanna_Targaryen,
That was hilarious! thanks for recommending we watch it. 🙂
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Who are you rooting for Yara or Euron? I’m only venturing who will rule the Iron Isles. They’re the ones that find a male more agreeable. A dragon to clear her way is a good price for Ubering Dany’s army to Westeros. Won’t take long and the dragon can rejoin the…what do you call a trio of dragons? Beyond the Iron Isles, I don’t have any idea who will sit the throne.
Lord Of Lite,
That is who will sit the throne after Cersei and Jaime.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Arya mentioned Visenya but that doesn’t mean Jon will be fighting besides Daenerys or that she needs sword. Jon is Stark too. They fought on dragons and doubt Jon will be fighting on one. Jorah can use it or someone else. Valyrian steel swords are precious and needs to be put in use. Not just parade them. She can have armor but sword is useless for her. She’s not going to kill White Walkers with sword. Her sword could be dragons.
Wimsey,
They showed the creation of the Night’s King for a reason and that reason is the bittersweet ending of the entire series. Jon is going to have to make the least worst choice and everyone who ever rooted for Jon to be the winner will be heart broken.
bristolcity,
Nice one…believable
I wholeheartedly agree. The Citadel is The Place That Was Promised, promised for over a year. We have to at least see it. Even if Sam only stays an episode there, the Citadel must be seen.
“Promise me Ned”
I think it’s pretty clear who our “prince that was promised” will be.
I’m just going to post this link here for everyone’s enjoyment. I hardly think this counts as a spoiler now, but I’ll avoid a lot of comments here just in case. Obviously, this could be a Photoshopped image, but I wouldn’t put it past D&D to be so brazen with their trolling.
http://forgottensaucerfulofsecrets.tumblr.com/image/146214577936
I predict that The Winds of Winter will be a record setting, most watched Game of Thrones episode so far!!!!!!!!!
at least 8 million people with smiles on their faces, sitting on the edge of their seats being blown away by the best Game of Thrones episode ever filmed!!!!!
I could live with this finale. Where is everyone getting that there is a big fire that Cersi causes? Was that in a promo I missed?
I wanted to say thanks guys. I’m a frequent lurker but a non-poster. You all made watching this season a blast. I’m probably going to hang around a bit more during the off season. See you then!