Last week, we asked three questions following the events of “Oathbreaker”. Many have claimed “Book of the Stranger” as their favorite Thrones ever. In a season where only two episodes previous we were treated with “Home” (and an equally impressive number of fans proclaiming the same for it), the time has never been greater for theory and speculation. Tomorrow, a podcast records part two of thoughts and feelings set in motion following “Book of the Stranger”. Leading into next week, there are things that must be discussed.
After the cut you’ll find three questions we’ve asked ourselves, and will be disputing as the show records on Wednesday.
Listen to “Book of the Stranger” here.
What do you believe?
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
That’s it. Let us know what and why in the comments below! (We’ll tally these together before recording) Make sure to listen for your thoughts, theories, and input once this episode is released.
Je t’hodor!
Hodor . . . The Door
Coincidence???
Huh? Huuuhhh???
I don’t know why but I actually find the KL stuff quite confusing
I’m like 90% sure “The Door” is what “Hodor” has been trying to say the whole time. Maybe we’ll find out during that episode…
A walk of penance for Marge would go down so differently. The people love their queen, who came to them during their time of need and walked through rivers of mud to offer the poor children some joy and sunshine. Theyd throw rose petals at her; its after this moment of glorious union with the people that Marge goes from faking her Faith to believing it, and dons the regal version of the Septa gown as seen in the behind the scenes clip.
Loved the episode. Not sure it beats Hardhome or Blackwater (were those even those episodes’ names?) but this season already has me pumped for episode 9 – whatever it may be. My thoughts:
1) No way High Sparrow makes Margaery do the walk of atonement—and no way he allows Cersei a trial-by-combat (unless it’s a trial of seven). I don’t know what his endgame is with Margaery, but her status as a hostage is just about the only thing keeping him safe right about now.
2) My guess is Tyrion starts to lose his grip on Mereen right as Dany arrives and Dany arrives with a horde of horselords and Drogo and she proceeds to break Slaver’s Bay like the Freehold once broke Old Ghis.
As I suggest above, Dany is done playing nice. Tyrion effectively said the opposite as he discussed why he turned to diplomacy in “Book of the Stranger.” Well, Dany has tried the diplomatic approach in Mereen (ya know, after she sacked the place and incited a slave rebellion) and was nearly assassinated. Never forget that she is the breaker of chains, not just the remover. More chains will be broken, and it will not be pretty for the masters—be they good or wise.
3) “The Door” – Like Oathbreaker, which featured several folks breaking oaths or several folks who had broken them, this has several meanings.
—The door in the wall at the Nightfort from the books (who knows where the show will put it) will be revealed.
-Arya will leave the House of Black and White, and out their big ass door
-Either Jon or Sansa will know of a secret door into Winterfell
-Tyrion will open the door for the dragons
4) Oh it’s so on between those two
I find it confusing, too…in an interesting way. Probably because everyone involved is lying and manipulating everyone else.
1. Tommen is way out of is league when dealing with the High Sparrow. Its a ruse – he isn’t marching Margaery thru the streets. I have no idea of what he told Tommen but its going to result in chaos.
2. I want Dany out of Meereen as soon as possible. I don’t care how or why she leaves just as along as she heads towards her homeland soon. She is a conqueror – she isn’t coming to Westeros to make peace. I don’t think that Tyrion’s plan matters, at least not to Tyrion and Dany. Missandei and Grey Worm may not leave Meereen; they may stay behind as Dany’s representatives.
3. The Door…that’s tough. It may a symbolic door than a literal door. Characters moving from one area of life to another without looking back.
4. I love Tormund + Brienne but I think that she has eyes only for the Kingslayer.
Oh I think this is definitely the case too.
mariamb,
Yeah same….so for now the Tyrells and Lannisters are on the same side but that won’t last….Tommen got cut off last episode but what was he going to tell Cersei? Maybe that the high sparrow told him who really killed Joffrey? I wonder if they would go there….that would be crazy….if Cersei learned the truth and double crossed the Tyrells….throw in Randall Tarly and I think the kings landing plot will be a gong show!
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I do not believe the HS told Tommen he was planning for Marge to make her walk of atonement. In fact I believe that what he told him were his mother’s dirty secrets… including her relationship with the cousin.
Tommen might have told Cersei that the HS said Marge had to atone for her sins, and she took it as an opportunity to twist the truth to get the Tyrell troops.
Once the Tyrell’s storm the sept etc. I suspect even if Marge survives, Tommen will confront his mother with the ‘truths’ and it is here Jaime will learn what his lover/sister has been really up to.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
Dany thinks of herself as a noble leader, which she is not. Burning down the Khals in their most sacred space shows she is not. All she brings is violence.
Her, reciting her titles over and over ties into the thematic of what Tywin said of Joffrey ..if you have to tell people you are the King then you are not. And that is Dany’s problem, she is not a ruler.
She will be upset with Tyrion’s negotiation and probably freeing of the dragons, but I suspect he will be able to show her how wrong she is, and that she needs to focus on the main goal which is Westeros and not Meereen.
Honestly the only way I see Meereen matter is if there is another traitor in her midst, or if Dany will forever be trying to get to Westeros. In which case, Tyrion needs to take the dragons and go. Or maybe the dragons will leave on their own having ‘smelled’ the newly risen from the dead Targaryen.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
See above. But I stand by that Dany is the worst part of the Targaryen’s. If she does that to those who have not harmed her family, can you imagine the vengeance she will unleash in westeros? Not even the Honorable Starks are safe from her rage.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Ha, no clue.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
I wish she would, but I think she as loyal as she is will remain faithful to Jaime, even though he didn’t make a move. It will be a tragic love triangle.
RETRACTION: On Sunday night, after the show aired, I expressed my opinion that Emilia Clarke’s nude body was CGed. Since then, Ms. Clarke has said that what we saw (and watched over and over and over again thanks to DVR) was her actual body and not animation. I offer my sincerest apologies to Ms. Clarke and the twins.*
😉 *As my mom always called them. Her own, not Ms. Clarke’s. Maybe I should just leave now…
1) the high sparrow is planning on turning the Tyrell’s and lannister’s against each other. He wants them to parade a show of force in front of the people, just to undermine them by showing margary’s conversion, effectively showing the real queen as a supporter.
He told tommen of his true parentage.
2) Dany is going full fire and blood! The slave cities will see tyrion’ deal as weakness and siege the city, Dany will show back up w/ dothraki and drogon, resulting with the masters of slaver’s bay being wiped out in one fail swoop. If she heads back to westeros, she should leave missandei and grey worm in charge of slaver’s bay. That would teach the WISEmasters.
3)bran will stay in a vision too long and lose control of the destination. The knight’s King senses him and assaults the 3ER cave. Bran escapes through that handy back door in the… Cave? And at least the 3ER doesn’t survive; he looks like he’s settled in over the years. #squatter
4) Brienne won’t fall for the giantsbane, but I’d still love to see him try. Har!!
I think Tormund and Sansa may shack up. She’s giving me an Alys Karstark vibe in the show, and Tormund can be the cordial savage; the opposite of her old ideas of knighthood, but more honor in half his member!
What’s dead may never die!
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Probably told Tommen who killed his brother, knowing he would tell his mother and then she would set them up. With “The Rains of Castamere” playing in the background I would say its a good bet.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Pretty sure Tyrions got more up his sleeve and even more sure that a siege will be coming to Meereen and Dany will destroy it. After they will leave for Westeros probably EP9 and maybe have them landing in 10.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
If they do anything that has Hodors name being part of a door that is pure fan fiction, my gut tells me though its possibly a 2 part vision of Brans having to do with Jon and Dany.
4. Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection?
No clue but would be a lot better than sam and gilly
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Maybe the HS is testing Tommen… He told Tommen something in confidence that he swore not to reveal (although viewers did not witness this, nor did viewers witness Tommen telling this to his mother), We find out later in the small council meeting that Marge will face the Walk of Atonement as well. Was this what the HS told Tommen, or something else? Can the HS arrest Tommen for breaking his word if the WoA is indeed the confidential info, and the HS calls him out when Jaime and Lord Cockatiel (Mace) roll up on Baelor?
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter? That is one crazy train for which I can neither calculate the destination OR the time it’ll take to get here. I’m just along for the ride.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Just stay out of the North and we won’t have any trouble, Khaleesi.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Broad strokes: Doors lead us to new places. They can open and present opportunity; they can slam shut in our faces with rejection and hurt and loneliness. We can shut the doors to our emotions/hearts and keep others out; or choose to let them in.
As for specifics, you got me there.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection?
I just want her to see that a man can appreciate her for exactly who she is, on the inside AND the outside (Jaime was total jerk to Bri before he got to know her). He admires strength. Still, I really don’t think anything will come of it. But, wouldn’t their children be absolutely SINGULAR?
1. a) The holy esquire has in gentle horselike sentences parroted as Reginald Romsferbald overheard with many untimely silly timid did in expectancy.
1. b) Youssef or Ussef recently exposed a benevolent, albeit stern, travel affirming recreational deity.
2. a) I do overall not tremble for uncertain clashing king’s interests nor gradually colliding awkward reappearing escargots!
2. b) I do obey nine tremor feeling unicorns clawing kitten’s intensely nuanced gigantic collarbones after recessive escapology, especially in the heretic erected rectum!
3. If the keen, eerie ebony post secures the homely eremite, curios or lackadaisical, dachshund of urine tissues.
4. Yezzan emerges strong!
Targaryenagmen,
Great points all around, especially
I thought that back in season one, before she grew on me and I was rooting for her, and now I’m not so sure. Thank the Many-Faced God that Tyrion is around; though I wouldn’t be surprised if that relationship went kablooey and Tyrion has to spend a few weeks being violently seasick in a box again.
That’s what I love about the post-book era: ya never know what those wacky Westerosians [?] are gonna do.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I dont think that is his plan..he knows the people would react differently to Margaery (whom they love) then they did to Cersei. I think this is what he TOLD Tommon he was going to do, just because he knows Tommon would tell Cersei
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Since I dont believe Tyrion was doing anything more then buying time (and trying to cut off cash flow to the Sons of the Harpy) I dont think it will work OR matter ..Dany will let her Khalasar have it fun on the way to Mereen and will destroy the Sons of the Harpy when she arrives there but I truly believe she is ready to head east and leave slavers bay to its own devices
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Since “young” Hodor has said he will be in this episode I am guessing we will see Winterfell again and a door will play a part in what Bran sees
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
beautiful big red headed Tarth Babies ….make it happen HBO
What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I’m buying the idea quite a bit that the HS told Tommen the Tyrells were behind the death of Joffrey. Perhaps he even implies that Margaery was directly involved and not just Olenna, supposedly.
– It makes sense that Margaery and Loras know their grandmother was involved in the assassination. Loras made it quite clear that they broke him and he told them pretty much everything, to include that information.
– If the HS is attempting to fan the flames of fighting among themselves inside of the Red Keep, I don’t think telling him Margaery is going to do her walk of atonement is the way to do it. Telling him that Olenna killed Joffrey would do the trick.
– Tommen may have been afraid to tell his mother what he was told, but she reassured him by telling him Margaery is his queen and it doesn’t matter how she feels about her.
Cersei is clever and could use that information to completely ruin the Tyrells. Step one could be to form a sort of faux truce to get the entire Tyrell army inside the city and then rain fire down on them (wildfire style perhaps).
Cersei and Jaime take it for granted that the High Sparrow will go along with a trial by combat. What if the High Sparrow flips them the bird and nixes the idea?
Btw, what’s the High Sparrow’s favorite thing to watch on tv?
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Buck allen,
This is my opinion and only my opinion but I think Hodor comes from “hold her”. Cover your ears and say it. Sure sounds like Hodor to me. But again, that’s ONLY my opinion 🙂
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I think it’s a ruse. Cersei will get the Tyrells to fight the Sparrows to weaken both sides and then she’ll nuke both of them. It’s telling that we didn’t see the secret revealed on-screen, so Cersei could have just lied to the Small Council.
At first I thought he’d tell Tommen that Cersei was involved in murdering Robert, or the incest, but Tommen is not upset at his mother. My crackpot theory is that the High Sparrow has some information on who might have murdered Joffrey. If this is true, the payoff for the slow start to the KL arc will be worth it. I’d like to see Cersei play the game again and this time play it well.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter? What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Dany is going to burn a bunch of slavers/harpies there to ‘fix’ her problems with ruling and bring the Dothraki to finish them off. Tyrion is being outplayed imo. He has some good ideas, but he doesn’t understand the culture and has not experienced the hardships that Grey Worm, Missandei and all the former slaves have, as the episode has shown. He has been very condescending towards GW and Missandei in these episodes too.
Her mentality tells me that she’s a conqueror and not a ruler. I wonder if the show will address the fact that she is bringing an army of fighters whose cultural practices involve enslaving and pillaging into Slaver’s Bay and later most likely into Westeros. Will the show avoid these issues and have her magically control everyone’s behavior? Can the Dothraki even last in the Westerosi winter? I think she will abandon her quest in Slaver’s Bay (at the end of the day, for her it’s just a stepping stone to get to Westeros). I wouldn’t be surprised if the place reverts to what it was some time later.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
At first I thought it meant the door to the ToJ, but I think they are going to drag this reveal even further. I wouldn’t be surprised if we only get half of the reveal this season (the L). Based on the WW action in the preview, I’m going to assume the door is the one from the cave of the Three Eyed Raven (which we saw in episode 2).
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
In my dreams, yes. Jon will take Winterfell and give Last Hearth to Tormund. He will form house Giantsbane, marry Brienne, and have giant warrior children. <3
1.) Sounds like he atoned earlier in his life and would have her do the same. His convictions, however convoluted seem sincere to me. I don’t think he is looking for personal gain out of this. He’d make her walk.
2.) I feel like she needs to leave a government in place in Mereen before she heads back to Westeros and Varys may end up being the guy for the job. Maybe Tyrion would be the better choice but I just can’t see the showrunners leaving him there.
3.) “The Door” to me is probably a “last door” in the House of B&W that Arya will have to go through to get into a room where they will complete her initiation. My longshot guess? “The Door” refers to the vault door of Xaro Xhoan Daxos in Season 1. It’s shown open and viewers are shown that he is behind the Sons of the Harpy.
4.) If it does happen I think it will happen later. Sadly, Brienne is too focused protecting Sansa to go in for any romantic interlude with Tormund.
Hopeful speculation? I’d love for Pod and Sansa to talk about what happened since they knew each other from her marriage to Tyrion. I think the Tyrion/Sansa link and also from Jon having met Tyrion could be the catalyst to an alliance between Dany and Jon and Co. Also, I think we will meet another Mormont this episode for some reason.
3. I agree that “the door” will be more of a motif, referring to several doors. I’m pretty sure one of those doors will have something to do with Wylis and with how he became Hodor. My guess is that we will see Lyanna leaving Winterfell with Rhaegar and that she leaves with Wylis a message to her brothers, perhaps something along the lines of “I’m fine, don’t worry about me” ( you know, the kind of message that, if it had been delivered, would have prevented a lot of shit from happening). And somehow Wylis fails to deliver the message, either because he’s stopped by someone (and that someone would very likely be Littlefinger, in whose interest it is that the Stark brothers hear and believe the kidnapping story, rather than the elopement story), or because some other unforeseen circumstance happens. Either way, I do think this is when Hodor starts hodoring and the word “hodor” can’t be just a random combination of letters, there must be a meaning behind it and I think the word “door” is very likely to be crucial here. Maybe he’s stuck behind some door? But there will likely be other important doors in the episode, possibly the door behind which the dragons are and others.
4. Boy do I hope so! Brienne is one of my favorite characters and she deserves to be adored and admired for the badass she is.
1. As for KL, I think there’s something going on there that at this point we have no idea about. At least two characters, Cersei and High Sparrow, have some hidden cards in this game. I think that whatever happens, we will be surprised. I’ll be disappointed if that’s not the case.
(It’s this lurker’s first post here, BTW)
Tonight, I’m watching HBO’s After The Thrones for the first time. Not at all the HBO shillathon I expected. It’s like being back in high school with my fellow Lord of The Rings freaks, only without the dorky 1970’s cut-off jeans.
I think Arya’s in THoBaW until she sees the theatrical troupe. I think something she sees them portray make sup her mind to head home. Not sure she’s into killing “good” people. As for the Night King: I think Young Ned heard Bran because of blood ties (plus whatever magic First Men blood carries). The Night King sees him because the Night King is magic (Stark ties may or may not play into it). The Three-Eyed Raven touches Bran to sever the astral projection and return them to their physical location. The Night King gets a bead on (a portal to, if you will) The Heart Tree when he touches Bran. Or, at the very least, a sense that the Heart Tree can’t be left alone anymore. I’m not sure who/what booby-trapped the outer landscape with automaton wights or why. Bran & Co wind up having to flee.
Has the High Sparrow, at any time, shown any quarter towards anyone, particularly women? Besides his kindly mien and penchant for storytelling, he’s quite the zealot, suggesting to Margaery that even wanting to see her family is a sinful thought. He’s clearly tortured Loras, to the point where the Knight of Flowers is ready to confess to anything. I think he’s quite ready to march her through the streets.
And I have no idea what he told Tommen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something along the lines of suggesting that Margaery has a notable past in terms of sexual relationships in order to frighten him, or something, and that she has to repent for that, too.
The show is going to leave Meereen behind by the end of it, and for those who have commented on the complicated and difficult racial politics of the show, it’s not going to look great. They’ll either leave as conquerers or as exiles, leaving behind a region that’s like to throw in with slavery, yet again. And in the end, it will have meant almost nothing, unless we finally do get the introduction of Strong Belwas to take over all three cities with his massive butt, or something.
Dany’s mentality has never changed, and for all of her “bad-assery,” she has a pretty tyrannical, unflinching approach when she’s trapped. She feints at a more democratic approach at times, but she seems to take certain pleasure in brutality, and it’ll have to be reined in somehow when she goes to Westeros. By Tyrion, one would think.
The Stephen King story, “I Am the Door”? Hard to say. Completely flummoxed, actually. Perhaps something to do with the High Sparrow, perhaps suggesting that behind such-and-such door lies salvation, or something of that kind. Or it’s going to be a cryptic Varys story.
Best guess? It’s the door Eddard Stark finds, and behind it, lies his sister, and everything we’ve been waiting to know. But they’re not likely to divulge that until much later in the season.
It would be enough for me to see them engage in some sparring with tourney swords, just to size each other up.
More broadly, what “Book of the Stranger” did so well was lay down the seeds for the end game, or at least, the end game that proceeds the *REAL* endgame, the battle of Ice and Fire. It gave us the contours of the main missions that will propel the rest of this year’s stories, which can pretty much be boiled down to:
–Sansa/Jon efforts to consolidate as much of the North/Vale/Riverlands/Wildlings against Ramsay Bolton
–Dany’s newest march across the Red Waste to return to Slaver’s Bay and pairing up again with Tyrion
–Cersei/Olenna alliance to free Margaery, thus ensuring the possibility that the Lannister line can live on, and to do away with the High Sparrow. (I’m sure this will go just swimmingly.)
Sure, there will be side stories. I can’t imagine we’ve heard the last of the likes of Brienne and Melisandre; Arya has a role to play somewhere, Davos hasn’t gotten answers yet about Shireen, and there’s also the likes of the Iron Islands. But all of those stories will ultimately serve those three main stories above, one way or another.
The death of Osha also suggests to me that we’re probably finished with major character deaths until the end of the season. Sure, there are a few that just appear marked for death – Loras isn’t long for Westeros, that’s for sure, and I can’t imagine Tommen has much longer, but I think our big character demises aren’t really coming for a few more episodes now.
1) I think the High Septon did tell Tommen in confidence he plans to walk Margaery thru Kings Landing. BUT he did so knowing Tommen would betray that confidence to Cersei. Setting up some sort of conflict between the royal families the Sparrow believes he can take advantage of.
2) Don’t think Tyrion’s 7 year plan will mean anything to the story. I think Dany returns to Meereen by the end of next episode, leaving a peacekeeping force and begins her plans to head west. She is beginning to take her house words of Fire & Blood to heart.
3) The door… Could have something to do with the Tower where Ned fought the Kingsguard, for example, he hears screaming behind a door in said tower and is scared of what he’ll find when he opens it. Or (Crackpot Thinking Follows) “The Door” refers to Wyllis/Hodor’s last words or instructions given him by a loved one, “Hold the door.” Somehow he failed and it traumatized him forever making him only able to speak a simplified version of the phrase “Hodor.”
4) How perfect would they be together?! Tormund’s loved a bear, Brienne’s fought a bear. Could it be the SAME bear?? We may never know. But unfortunately I don’t think Brienne will return Giantsbane’s love. A shame…
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She gets this close, until she kicks him to the curb for constantly talking in his sleep about “ginger ming.”
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I didn’t believe Cersei one little bit when she told that lie. One, the Walk of Shame has only been used for those guilty of sexual sins thus far, and we have had no talk of that with Margaery. Her only known sin seems to be coveting the finer things in life and perhaps lying to save her brother. Two, the Walk of Shame threat conveniently motivates Cersei’s enemies to do exactly what she tells them to do.
I doubt the HS told Tommen much of anything beyond that Margaery needed to repent and atone.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
I don’t think that Dany will keep burning her enemies unless they stupidly keep backing her into a corner, threatening to have her gang- and horse-raped, and giving her no other options. She will return to Slaver’s Bay until Marwyn convinces her she’s needed for the War of the White Walkers and until Euron arrives with her ships. Near or in the season finale, the khalasar and the Unsullied will travel via ship to Westeros, but I believe that Dany will fly with one or all three of her dragons and that she’ll go east to get to Westeros, fulfilling both of these prophesies:
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
I don’t believe Hodor has to do with the door. The door could be to the Tower of Joy. I wish the door would be some mysterious and powerful thing we’ve not yet discovered.
4. Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection?
After some hilarious trials and misunderstandings, Brienne will eventually fall in love. Right now, she’ll have no idea what to do with that man, and she will fear that he is mocking her.
That would leave Lord Tarth without an heir. What about Tormund and Brienne rule Tarth?
I think the secret that HS told Tommen was that Margaery was about to confess and take her walk of atonement even though it’s not true – knowing that he would be feeding that back to his mother, forcing them to act more quickly.
Leaving Slaver’s Bay and moving on would just be odd, but it seems like too much story left and not enough ‘book’ left to straighten all that out. So, I don’t know….No idea.
I’m thinking the door that Bran travels through to reach the past and the future…being left open a little too long….and Margaery’s cell door opened for her….maybe the dragons finally coming out of their door….a door opening to Lyanna…
I HOPE it’s a thing with Tormund and Brienne. She deserves someone looking at her like that. ‘Bout damn time! 🙂
I’m really only interested in Q2, “With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future?”
I think that the reference to Abe Lincoln in the Inside the Episode is telling – Tyrion is sincerely trying to avoid war and his seven-year plan is genuine. But the slavers, like the American slaveowners, will reject it, and it will be war. Tyrion will learn that there are some instances where diplomacy just doesn’t work. (I find this interesting, since everyone assumed that the purpose of his going to Slavers’ Bay was to show Dany how to do it, and that it can work.)
Dany will crush the forces of the slavers. But since last episode, she will admit that she’s not a good ruler, she’s a good conqueror and transformative agent. And you should play to your strengths… she will go West. And it will fall to Missandei and Grey Worm to rule the Bay.
OT, but the part of the next episode I’m looking forward to most is Kinvara, and, hopefully, her glamour.
1. The High Sparrow wants to convert Margaery to the Faith; he figures that’ll be a tipping point and at that point King Tommen will also convert, and the Faith Militant will rule through the newly converted monarchs. Margery, as apparent in this episode, will only “fake-convert” though, throwing a wrench in his plan…
2. Danny is going to be in “Aegon the Conqueror” mode from now on, at least until she inevitably learns of the White Walker threat. She’ll return to Meereen and crush the opposition with “Fire & Blood” i.e. Dothraki Hordes and Dragons, and Tyrion will abandon his Diplomatic Mode and enter his “How to Train a Dragon” mode once again. Yara AKA Asha, after a brief stop for R&R in a Volantis brothel, will arrive in Meereen with the Greyjoy ships that will carry Danny and company across the Narrow Sea and on to Westeros, to finally join the main plot of the show, leaving Grey Worm and Missandei and part of the Dothraki contingent to untangle the Meereenese Knot Offscreen.
3. Danny’s Red Door finally makes the show? OR The Door in the TOJ behind which Ned will find Lyanna and her bed of blood? OR Hodor actually means “Hold the Door”?
4. Nope. Sansa will send Brianne back into her Feast for Crows plot pretty soon, and Brianne will resume her Jaime Angst mode…(Jaime will go into his Feast for Crows plot in the show pretty soon too…)
Marlana,
Why don’t they rule both? 😛
Anybody know if there were websites like this one during season 1? Not sure how old this site is.
Lord Allen Conway,
I think
Winteriscoming.net
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
A. Loras is broken…looks like it took less than what Reek endured. Everything he knows the high sparrow knows…so that’s bad news for the Tyrells.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
A. Dany seems to like vengeance…so she might use Tyrion’s deal to really mess the master’s shit up since they might think they have a temporary reprieve. She has a huge Dothraki army now but no ships. Euron ain’t back to sit the salt throne barking orders…and he has many ships.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
A. Haven’t figured this out yet. I think it might be to do with Bran and/or Arya
Marlana,
The sexy fun times of those two would probably produce dragons. QED King Tormund and Queen Brienne. 😉
I’ve enjoyed the podcast more this season than anytime in the past. Congratulations! 😀
Lyanna_Targaryen,
I was going to summon you, lyanna.
I can’t believe some of the things people say.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I don’t believe he will, I think Margaery will be released as soon as the Tyrell army shows up. The Sparrow probably said something along the lines of “don’t listen to Cersei”.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
I think the slavers attack Mereen like in “Dance with Dragons” and get utterly owned when Dany returns with ALL the Dothraki and the Greyjoys show up.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Symbolic. New openings. Asha Greyjoy, taking the place of Victarion, gets sent to collect Dany as the Greyjoys are screwed without making a serious play. Sansa plays it cool with Baelish purely to get his support aganist the Boltons. etc, etc.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
No.
To anyone who still doubts in that the pyre scene happened because of dany and she caused the magic …here is the words of GRRM himself
that’s the second time GRRM has compared brought aragorn with regards to dany ..everyone must remember what is the tax policy of aragorn which is what he was trying to do with dany in meereen..
And the interesting thing here is martin compares aragorns magic sword with dany’s dragons …and i think we were looking for a magic sword in the series ..dragons are lightbringer
If I am not mistaken, GRRM himself has hinted that Hodor could have something to do with a door. I think “The Door” mainly refers to Hodor’s story, of course the title could have multiple implications. I expect episode 5 to be a Bran-heavy episode.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen? I don’t know what he told him, but I don’t believe he plans to have her do the walk. #1 She’s loved by all the people #2 She is in the cell for lying about her brother’s sexuality, not her own.
It’s either Cersei’s plan to provoke Olenna into using her army to destroy HS, or the HS is setting a trap.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I think Tyrion is very clever, but Slaver’s Bay isn’t Westeros. It’s too volatile on both sides for a seven year plan without serious oversight and a system of governance and…well it would be complicated. Plus there is the secret traitor in her midst. You know. The cute one. I honestly don’t know what will happen. Crazy guess: When she finds out about the cute traitor, it’s possible she’ll look out at Mereen and say raise your hand if you want to go find some boats and live free with me–and then she’ll sic the dragons or burning fuel on everything and everyone else like, “I do not even have time for this.” A part of me hopes she does-I’m sick of this knot and her dragons are needed elsewhere stat. 🙂
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros? She is a conqueror. But when she was on the throne in Mereen, she sort of forgot that and she wasn’t exactly making strides. She just remembered herself in those flames. Who she is. I think she’ll be heading to-if not Westeros then Volantis-by the end of this season. Remember the prophecy of Quaithe. “To go forward you must go back.” She just went back. Even in her speech she was remembering what came before. Now it’s time for forward.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”? No idea. Especially since I was so wrong about the Stranger. (I would like to add that I saw someone above say something about L leaving a note with Wylis that would have prevented the Rebellion but something happening to him and wow. That blew my mind)
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
This is so hard for me. I have been a HUGE Braime lover for years and for so many reasons. I dreamed of you. Literally the only thing I liked about season 5 was Jaime looking off the ship at Tarth. But then Jaime’s redemption arc reversed and he’s been acting like a kicked puppy since Brienne left KL and I keep wanting to slap him. On the other hand we have Tormund who is my favorite wildling ever. And his expression as soon as he sees her? I can’t stop watching it. The fact that I love him, and that there has never been anyone in Brienne’s life who has shown her genuine attraction and affection… Well how do you not LOVE that and need to ship it?
To answer the question though, I don’t know where the show will go with it, but I’d love a flirty sword fight and some confidence boosting for Brienne. And Tormund definitely knows how to make a woman happy. 🙂
(so does Pod, Sansa, in case you were wondering) lol
Personally I can’t stop thinking about how Bran’s vision took him to the NK and wtf it means! I have a million ideas about that, and most of them are admittedly insane. Is it Sunday yet?
Now?
1. The High Sparrow has already begun to manipulate Tommen, he knew that he would snitch to Cersei. He planted that information, I think Margery is already on the HS’ side. Margery said to Loras that they wanted her to work against her brother, I think that she throws him under the bus (not because she wants to but because she’s focusing on the bigger picture. She has to get him out of there.) The picture shows her dressed up in a modest dress (very unlike what she would prance around in) and Loras has his hair cut off. I think that it will be Margery who tells the Tyrell army to stand down. That will make Lady Ollena look bad. The Lannisters will essentially have their hands clean because they weren’t the ones that acted up against the Faith M. Cersei’s focus is dismissing that small council, what could be a better way?
2. Tyrion knows what’s up, he’s always 2 steps ahead. Even if it goes to hell, he’s gaining the trust of the dragons. He will have everything in order when Dany gets back…one way or the other 🙂
3. I think the Door will have multiple meanings, both physical and metaphorical. The House of W&B, whats behind the door in the TOJ, Seeing what Sansa does with Little Finger, The Door under the WW Tree etc….
4. I would love if Brienne returned his affections, I hope they’re allowed a short scene together. We know Brienne is heading to the Riverlands and Tormund stays behind… maybe they share a goodbye kiss? <3 I hope he does win her heart because she will probably run into Jaime in the Riverlands. This makes me worry, because if the two fight again I think Brienne would die. He said back in Season 3 "if you don't kill me, I'm going to kill you" I think Brienne will underestimate him, he is on #teamcersei now -_- If she starts to fall for Tormund she won't really care about Jaime and maybe she'll do what has to be done 🙂 #lovebriennemorethanjaime #onlyonewillsurvive
2 ..it means basically what happens with dany in ADWD.
Everyone said tyrion is taking over barristan but he is indeed taken dany’s role from ADWd ..
It so happens that 7 years is what time takes for olive tress to grow..tyrion like dany is trying to keep peace but the slavers will take advantage of it and will attack ..
And dany will eventually comeback with dothraki to crush the volantis. Astopor,meereen and sons of harpy ..
It will be like what happened with tywin in blackwater and stannis in watchers on the wall ..
I don’t know where people are getting that she now realized she is not a ruler but conqueror… She has done nothing of that sort .
Dany’s mistake in slavers bay was half measure and doubting herself ..she should never compromised with them in the first place ..
and from here on she will be like Argon the conqueror ..compromise when the enemy does and crush them when they are not .
1) What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen? Hmm. Cersei said Margaery will walk. So the HS said the opposite? Actually, HS knew Tommen would squeal so he lied and said Margeary will walk
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into her future? She’s got no ships. With Dany, that usually means war(s).
Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Plan? Uh doomed.
Will it even matter? Nope.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Aerys daughter?
Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros? No. Yes but she still needs ships.
3. What is the significance of “The Door”? Hmm. Is “Hodor backstory” too vague an answer? Dany’s red door but Dornish masterplan seems unlikely. Moon Door? The magic door at the Nightfort?
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??Look but no touch.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I think the Bernie Sparrow is playing the game, he wants to provoke an attack so he can still claim to be taking the high road and only defending himself. He wants to be seen as the victim.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Tyrion just had to buy time, Mereen will be under siege and Danny will arrive in time to destroy her enemies with her new army, freeing herself to go to Westeros. Also, I believe that Grey Worm and Missandei are in a way being groomed to rule Mereen for Danny when she moves on to Westeros.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Only one meaning I care about, the door that Ned will open to find his sister in a bed of blood.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
It will take some time but it will happen. It is known
1. It’s a bit of a mystery, there’s an interesting Reddit theory that HS told Tommen that Olenna played a role in killing Joffrey which may have been gleaned from Ser Loras?
So, Cersei is then wanting to use the Tyrell Army as a way of playing the Sparrows and Tyrells against eachother (eg they kill eachother)
Interesting food for thought
2. I reckon Dany is gong to come in and smash the entire place, Tyrions plan will fail etc
3. I would speculate that the Door is a reference to transition, eg from an old life to a new life
4. I think the Tormund/Brienne thing is just for a laugh, have already picked up from the trailers Brienne is in RR
That said, thinking of how things pan out when it comes to Tormund making the attempt to “steal” Brienne is quite funny to consider
mariamb,
Loras must have broken down and told the high sparrow that the tyrells were involved in the murder of joffrey, and Tommen must have told this secret to his mother after hearing it from the sparrow
Regarding door
Taking the obvious hodor door connection ..
I just hope dany is in this episode and we get to see some emotional scenes where she speaks abouy her childhood and house with red door ..
Let me see
1. Having dragon dreams while running from the dark and trying to find a DOOR where her ancestors guide her through .
And she eventually comes out of the door flying as Last Dragon .
2.Door in the HoTU
3.the house with red door ..
So with this many associations with the DOOR’s she must be in this episode right .
Fuck. I so desperately want to love this season, I’m just struggling to thus far. I’m hoping this episode can bring me back in the fold since it features my three favorite storylines of this season thus far: Arya, Iron Islands, and Bran.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
I doubt you will
Hahaha
The door is where Bran escape through to find more about the white walkers, and also where the NK gets to discover not only the cave location but a way to get in. Episode 5 will be a hardhome level of surprise.
4.she is going to go back to Jamie and river lands ..so no
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
A) I seriously doubt it, since a long scene of a naked woman being scourged and shamed through the streets of King’s Landing is so last season. B) If my suspicions are correct, something about how Scientology could be the answer to all his problems. I get an L. Ron Hubbard vibe from this guy.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter? What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
A) It fits right into her master plan to open hundreds of Cracker Barrel restaurants around Slaver’s Bay. B) Tyrion will make short work of it in a small amount of time, dwarfing everything else he’s … oh forget it. C) Is Edmure an excellent archer? Nope. D) Paraphrasing Foreigner, She’s hot blooded, check it and see / She’s got a fever of a hundred and three. E) Dang, that’s a lot of questions. I need a breather. Be right back.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
David Benioff and D. B. Weiss dropped way too much LSD while reading way too much Aldous Huxley.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Perhaps, though if they do get it on at least half of Castle Black will have to be rebuilt after their unprecedentedly vigorous sexy fun times.
QUES:1.) Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?……………..5 MARKS
ANS : I think he is …He has lost it I’m telling you….He is overconfident. …He probably thinks Tyrells and lannisters won’t unite …but when they will ..and his minions die….He will regret it ….The way the show is going his death is on the cards sooner rather than later …
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QUES 2.) With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?……………………15 MARKS
ANS : when dany returns mereen will be in chaos ….tyrion will fail badly …mereen will be.. in ruins ….and dany has to save the day….
she acuses tyrion of still being a bad lannister …trying to wreck her mission to go to westeros ….grey worm and missandei will speak against him …varys will flee or will be killed ………………….and tyrion will want to die by dragon fire…He will ask dany to burn him with the dragon fire ..not drogon but the other two ……but will they tyrion…….?????? ……….
ahhh. …see where I’m going with this…..
and dany has simple mentality. .punish the baddies support the good people …she will kill all those who harm the innocent …she wants conquer ….everything make the world a better place where little girls aren’t harmed where even the lowest born can live with dignity and respect ….
when she returns to mereen and she sees it in utter ruin what tyrion has done. ..and like I said above blame tyrion ..for all of it of course he was in charge and accuse him of trying to destroy her plans ..she will simply use the dothrakis and unsullied and sack cities kill the masters end them once for all ……appoint someone faithful in charge ..take the cities ship and sail to westeros….and she will do it fast …for tyrion to see what see is capable of and despite his plan to stop her …how she will do it anyway…….
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3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?………5 marks
ans: the door ..sounds like ho(ld the)door…..but it could be brans vision he will see ned carefully climbing the stairs …just as ned is about to open the door ….three eyed raven tells him it’s time to go…but bran refuses and something wrong …..so now he reaches a place covered in snow…..In front of white walkers and that nights king….scene….will happen ….so mystery of what ned was about to see ..on the other side of the door remains …
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QUEST4.
Dee,
Thanks for the site. I found this one before. Didnt see any links from that site before 2014 to discussions. Are you a long time follower of both sites? * to an open discussions
ahh plz ignore typos on my last comment and answer to question 4 will be a big noo. ..
^ This. One of the production stills showed Jaime and Mace Tyrell on horseback with a bunch of troops at the onset of what appears to be a rescue mission at the bottom of the steps. That’s when Marge tells everybody to chill, she’s got this under control, and the rest is what you said.
I’d add: The High Sparrow, mind blown, scarpers off to Showtime and tries to get a gig on Penny Dreadful. 😉
1. For some reason I think it’s not to walk her through the streets but maybe he tries to influence her and Tommen. Tough to say but it’s getting interesting.
2. Hopefully Daeny is all Fire&Blood from now on and no more Ice Cold Queen and peaceful. This is not her way and her House. Tyrion’s plan will backfire one way or the other.
3. This is probably toughest on to say. In the books The Door could be a nod to house with the red door from Daeny’s vision but show never establish that. It could symbolize like a door to throne for Euron since it looks like Kingsmoot is about to happen. Jon leaving Castle Black through the door. Something in Kings Landing. IT could be anything. TOJ maybe?
4. No and it works best this way. Tormund getting all lovey dovey over Brienne. He had that look “it is me you’re looking fooor”. Brienne with her look of sheer wtf.
1.
I think the high sparrow knew whatever he told Tommen would make it to his mom. I don’t know what he had planned but I hope he just hands over Loras and Margaery without a fight. Cerse just invited the Tyrrell army into town. I can only think Cerse believes there will be a fight in which the Tyrrell army takes out the faith militant and hopes Margaery gets caught in the crossfire. If they just give them over though, the faith is still there, Cerse’s trial would still be on the books and the Tyrrells would have literally fortified their hold on King’s Landing.
2.
After the initial moment of pumpedness subsided the first thing i thought was… this might not be a good thing. Obviously those khals were assholes and deserved to be fried in the temple of the Dosh Kebab but it kind of felt like the moment when you realized “the stallion mounting the world,” while sounding pretty cool, had a bit of a voldemort vibe to it. Dany has the feel of a conqueror now so more than ever…i think she’s going to bring her army west and won’t be stopping long in meereen on her way west.
3.
After thinking “The Book of the Stranger” was going to be Arya heavy, I have no clue about this title. Dany’s red door, Bran opening a door to the past/future/land of always winter, a secret room within the house of black and white or maybe even something in Sam’s story. No clue.
4.
Oh course! It is known. Tormund is the playa who was promised. His is the song of the Bear and the Maiden Fair.
I have no idea what the High Sparrow told Tommen, but I can’t see how he could possibly plan to march Margaery through the streets. It made sense as a punishment for Cersei given her crimes, and maybe book-Margaery, but show Margaery told a single lie to try and keep her brother out of prison. Cersei was accused of adultery, incest, and conspiracy to murder the king. Those do not warrant similar treatment. That’s aside from the fact he has to realize Jaime and Cersei really badly want to march an army in there and kill him and the only reason they don’t is Tommen fears for Margaery’s safety and won’t let them, making it really stupid to give her up pre-trial.
Daenerys is done messing around. I don’t think she ever really wanted to compromise, but the combo of Ser Barristan moderating her worse impulses and the fact she seriously respected him, and the reality that she didn’t yet have much of an army and relied on popular support to rule, forced her to compromise. With every single khalasar following her and full-grown dragons, she’s probably going to execute every last slave master still living before she gets out of Dodge. I don’t think Tyrion’s plan is going to matter one bit and she won’t agree to it. I doubt the masters even agree to it and this is probably leading to us actually getting the siege.
I’m not sold on the door having anything to do with Hodor. I don’t think it’s time for that reveal yet. One Bran per seems to be the rule and it looked in the preview like he was seeing the army of the dead at the wall. He might be seeing where they’re going to breech, perhaps a door that is missing whatever mysticism keeps them from passing elsewhere. Most fans seem convinced the wall has to fall for the dead to pass, but with only about a quarter mile actually defended, there’s no need if there’s a way through somewhere.
Brienne and Tormund are the perfect pairing, the most perfect this show has envisioned, but she’s leaving soon for the Riverlands and Tormund isn’t. Seeing as she’ll be there when Jaime leads the Lannister army to siege Riverrun, her destiny seemed tied to his just as in the books.
I wonder if the Starks will slowly reunite from here
That would actually be amazing
So Jon and Sansa
Hopefully rickon after the battle
Then arya will reach them somehow. Or they’ll meet in the middle
And finally bran when he saves them all 🙂
I have a great idea for this site. Find a bunch of comments from seasons 1-2 from sullied and unsullied and discuss their comments. The (oh so sad and the same) way they discussed the show/books back then. The evolution of the word “spoiler” as related to got/asoiaf. The way of the “purists” then and the difference now. Just a few. Maybe do it on thursdays since thats a thing for a while now. DO IT!
If thats been done before then sorry for my ignorance.
The door probably means several things as is the show’s way but a key ‘door’ could be Bran going from being an observer in his visions to participating and influencing.
We got a taste of it when he yelled at Ned. We have seen in the last trailer that the NK grabs hold of him.
So somehow Bran goes from safely looking to taking part.
Dee,
IMO Rickon will die. Sadly.
1) It’s a ruse. It will lead to
Jaime leading the Tyrell forces to the Sept and riding up the stairs, then the High Sparrow will walk out with Septa Margaery
2) Daenerys can burn any city she wants as long as she’s nude.
3) “I see a red door and I want to paint it black”
4) No
Geralt of Rivia,
Why :(((
Like, how do you think it will happen? He’s gonna kill rickon before a battle?
On Briennebane:
It has more promise for Brienne than her crushes on Renly and Jaime but she doesn’t really know what to make of it and they are going to be doing different things so … Maybe they can revisit it sometime if they survive.
1. What if the HS told tommen that Margaery was pregnant? Maybe that’s the reason behind him being so against a violent raid on the sparrows. What implications would it have? do you think cercei would do something against her own grandson?.
2. I think Danny is going to burn the hell out of the sons of the harpy.
3. I bet the door is to be related to the ToJ
4. That would be so cool!
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Margaery has something up her sleeve. My intuition is she will pretend to go along with the high sparrow, but I cant quite see how it exactly plays out
What the high sparrow told King Tommen? His mothers liaison with her cousin Lancel? My bet is that will be revealed to Jaime which will drive him away from Cersei.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter? What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
We will see much more Fire and Blood from Dany moving forward. She’ll march on Meereen and pursue that tactic which will cause a resurge of the Sons of the Harpy. I expect her to burn all three slaver’s cities to the ground taking the entire population to Westeros. The red god cultus will have some role to play in this by rallying the population behind her.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
The door to the past and future for Bran? I think it is connected to Bran’s storyline, but not necessarily ToJ. The preview suggests we will have to wait longer for this (E6?). It might also be related to Arya’s storyline passing through a Door of House of Black and White that signifies she advances in her plot.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Not on GoT. However HBO will order a spin-off series where these two go on all kinds of wild adventures in post-GoT Westeros, while having sexy time that makes Outlander look boring.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I do believe that may be the plan, especially since Loras basically begged her to save him. The High Sparrow may tell her that’s the path to salvation (though I think he’ll still be executed). I believe it will culminate in the scene with the picture on the steps as seen in the pre-season teasers.
I don’t believe she becomes one of the Faith Militant. She’s too savvy. She’ll use them as they are using her. (Or she’ll die :).
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
Dany will be very displeased, but I think Tyrion has another card up his sleeve. The deal would buy time, time they needed until her return. Something had to be done to stop the Sons of the Harpy.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
War is ugly, and I don’t think Dany has any misconceptions about that. She’s never been very merciful to her enemies, and I don’t know why that would’ve changed with the Dothraki.
She’s in a pickle with Slaver’s Bay. She got the unsullied to reclaim what she believes is her rightful place on the Iron Throne, so she can’t really leave them behind. I don’t have a theory how she gets out of Meereen.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Like other titles, it’ll mean different things to different characters. I think the obvious storyline is “what’s on the other side of the door in the Tower of Joy?” What Bram discovers behind it changes everything. For the rest of the characters, I’m guessing it’s more metaphorical, though the door to Winterfell could also play a more literal role.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Yep. What a match. She’s finally going to know what it’s like for a man to not only accept her differences (Jamie and Renly) but revel in them and love her for them. They’re going to bristle and verbally battle with each other for a long time though before she’s won over. Talk about A Song of Ice and Fire!
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I don’t think the High Sparrow will make Margaery do the walk of atonement, I think he will make Sir Lorus do it instead. He is a broken man, who wants it all to end. The walk of atonement is his ticket out of the Sept. Since the last person to atone was female, I think they will want a male to be shamed this time.
I believe he has told the HS that his family were involved in Joffreys death, and this is what The HS told Tommen. Tommen would have told Cersei this, and she has used the information to set up the Tyrells, by telling them that the HS plans on the WOA for Margaery. Cersei and Olenna have no love lost between them, and Cersei has a score to settle with her, so setting their armies up for a surprize attack, is her end game.
I believe Margaery will come out of the Sept more determined to be queen. She has shown her emotional strength in the scene with Loras.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I believe GW, Varys and Missandre will be left to keep order in Meereen, while Dany and Tyrion go to KL to kick butts. The Dothraki hoard will follow her to KL, along with some of the unsullied, some will need to stay in Meereen to keep the peace.
I think GW, Varys and M, will try to implement Tyrion’s 7 year plan, because as much as they say Tyrion has no idea about what being a slave means, they quote his sayings as a wise man once said, so they do have some respect/admiration/faith in his political abilities.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
I think Danaerys will be unhappy with Tyrion’s plan, but will leave it to GW, V, and M to sort out while she goes and plays the game of thrones, in Kings Landing. I also feel, she is getting a sense of enjoyment in burning her enemies, and I fear she may end up as mad as Rhaegar, before long. Perhaps every burnt soul, etches a little madness on the soul, and there will be a day of reckoning.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
I think the door has something to do with Bran’s visions. If he stays too long in a vision, perhaps the door closes and he must stay there forever? That would be why the three eyed raven keeps pulling him back.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
I watched the stares from Tormund, and didnt know what to make of it! He obviously admires strength, and she too admires strength, so they have that in common. Whilst the noble people of the southlands consider Brienne, ugly, Tormund sees beauty. I think this exchange betwwen Tormund and Brienne, lends weight to the conversation, Jamie and Brienne had whilst she was taking him back to KL for Lady Stark. When Jamie said to her, he thought she wished some of the men she fought off as a girl, were stronger, and able to subdue her. None were back then, but I think Tormund would be able to, easily. Whether she will put aside her affection for JL? Not sure. She did for Renly. Surely she knows deep in her soul, he is bound to Cersei, forever.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
A man is not a lovelorn teenage girl and would sooner eat his own nutsack than waste the slightest thought about it.
Oh OK, my imagining of Tormund’s approach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mjQ1i5V7qA
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How are people suggesting this episde beat Hardhome. Hmpphhh.
I don’t entirely understand why everyone believes Tyrion’s proposed plans for Slavers Bay will fail. What was the point of even bringing him into Dany’s story and placing him as her adviser if his way of doing things is essentially useless to her and amounts to squat?
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Definitely a ruse, she’s not admitting anything. High Sparrow probably told Tommen who his father is…
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
Dothraki to fight the other slaver cities and their sellswords? I think Tyrion’s plan is just to buy time for Dany to return…and maybe set them up with their guard lowered?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
I think she will “Kill the Masters”
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
It’s in Dorne?
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Sure hope so!! He seems to appreciate her more than any other man she’s met. Can’t see how that will go rebuked, unless she thinks he’s messing with her.
My first time posting here, though I’ve lurked on here since the end of season 5, so be kind!
With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
At first while watching Book of the Stranger I wondered what on earth Tyrion was playing at offering the masters that deal. Tyrion’s smart and it seemed so unlike him. But then I go back to what Varys told him in Mother’s Mercy – find out who you can trust and who you can’t. We’re meant to assume that the Sons of the Harpy burned down Dany’s fleet, but I think Tyrion has realised that doesn’t make any sense – the Master’s want Dany gone, why would they then burn down the only way for her to leave? So the question becomes, who doesn’t want Dany to leave Meereen?
. Did one of them burn the fleet down and then hide as they watched Tyrion and Varys approach in the first episode?
I don’t think the 7-year offer to the Masters is even intended to be genuine – Tyrion knows that Dany would never agree to it – I think the offer was meant to smoke out the people he can’t trust, plus buy him some time. Now he’s going to wait and see who tries to sabotage this offer. What will Dany make of this when she gets back? I’m not sure how she’s going to react, but with her Dothraki horde behind her, I think it will prompt her to finally head for Westeros.
Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Someone’s playing someone here, but I’m not sure who. Is the High Sparrow luring both the Tyrells and the Lannisters into some kind of trap, or is it Cersei playing games? Though I’m not sure how the Faith Militant can fend off the Tyrell army, unless the common people rise up against them. Then you’ve got civil war in the capital.
Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Hmm. When you go through a door you enter another place. You see what’s on the other side. If there’s emphasis on the door, it perhaps implies that you shouldn’t open it, a bit like Pandora’s Box. I wonder if it refers to someone going someplace that they shouldn’t. Bran, perhaps?
1. HS, Margaery & Tommen
For the first time I don’t think he’s serious anymore. Cersei’s an adulterous lying incestuous witch, whereas Margaery was simply defending er brother (a lie) – why does she have to be naked for that, if it was Loras it’d have made more sense. So now I feel it’s just his way of disgracing the powerful – why? Could be just due to lack of justice, or, could have a more sinister pla. In the case of the latter i don’t think the show will be able to do it justice anymore…it’ll be a little twist and it’ll be over soon after..
2.Dany & Meereen.
She clearly has her father’s traits but she’s clearly using them only for the really evil ones. I don’t think her magnanimous intentions for Slaver’s Bay have changed at all – the main thing which spurred her to treat the Khals that way was due to the harm they were causing – raiding innocents & maltreatment of women – she wanted to rid them of that. Her action was very much like the Astapor incident.
As for Mereen, Tyrion’s gonna have to convince her of her plan…methinks Jorah & Daaario will be on Tyrion’s side….and Dany will be convinced…she’ll probably decide to leave someone trustworthy behing in Mereen before beginning plans to leave for Westeros (which’ll be spread out to the last few eps of season 6 – maybe Tyrion & Jorah – both have reasons not wanting to go back to Westeros…
3. The Door
The Door of ToJ. And/or Door to the Citadel that Sam’s heading for. And/or the door to atonement for the KL lot.
4.Brienne -Tormund.
Nah…they doing this just to set up a liitle tragedy…1 or both of them are gonna die & be skinned…the other will be furious….”The GoT show-runners remember!” – that is, they remember every cosy part of the show in order to break our feelings in the future…Ned-Family, Robb-Talisa, Arya-different friends, Arya-Hound, Tyrion-Shae, Jaime – Myrcella etc etc
Dee,
Me too, it’s like I forgot where we last left off with Olenna and Kevan and also it’s hard to believe the sparrows group gets to hold these royals prisoner and the King/Lannisters hasn’t rallied to war yet. You just know if Tywin were alive shit would have gotten real!
1. Margery’s sins are that she is protecting and covering for her brother. A little different to Cirsei’s so my guess is that this is a play by Cirsei to get the Tyrells to take out the High Sparrow by force. The Lannisters then will be able to blame everything that happens on them.
2. Dany is awful at governing so I guess it is time to head back to Mereen and then on to Westeros Please! Funny how perspective of Dany in viewers minds never has changed even though her act of ‘mass’ killing the Khals is no different to what happened at the ‘red wedding’ and her lack of emotion after each death is no different than Ramsey.
3. The ‘door’ might mean the ‘doors’ Bran uses to travel to the past or future in his visions. The preview sees him in a vision without the 3ER which means he is going rogue.
4. Thormund will fight like a demon to impress Brienne. Watch out Ramsey!
ygritte,
Oh yeah exactly !!
Targaryenagmen,
this whole comment is trash.
Dee,
I think he will die before or during the battle. Ramsay is cruel like that because these crosses might not be enough to demoralize Starks. But Rickon being killed or mortally wounded would as they’re fighting partially for him to be free from the Boltons. With Shaggy and Osha being gone, it’s a matter of time. Hope I am wrong about this because another death of a Stark would be so tragic but always thought one Stark will die befoe the end and it could very well be Rickon.
RJ,
Thank god I was not the only one felt like that
Geralt of Rivia,
Killing one of the remaining Starks will have to have a big impact moment. Starks always die in grand ways. During or at the start of the battle is my guess.
CatspawAssassin,
The thing about that comment amd tyrion and dany is …tyrion is even more vengeful than dany ..
He is ready to make myrcella and tommen fight so that it will affect cersei
Geralt of Rivia,
Ugh that breaks my heart
Can’t no more Starks die?
Ned, cat, Robb… Is enough
I like this. I like this very much.
dragonbringer,
Dany however is a ‘mass murderer’ of note. Killing without remorse to conquer. No ‘real’ difference in what She did to the Khals and what the Frey’s did at the red wedding. Pre-meditated as well!
Lol so many people want Daenerys to turn into the Mad Queen soo badly.
She. Is. Not. Going. To.
I wouldn’t be surprised if half of these people are ‘Stannis The Mannis’ fanboys. Blinded by sexism and a feeble sense of masculinity.
*sips tea*
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I find Kings Landing to be the most confusing place now. It’s hard to say who is playing whom.
No, I don’t think HS is really planning another WoS for Margaery. I think what he wants is to convert both the King and the Queen to his cause. Margaery will have her own agenda, but based on some interview by Natalie Dormer, I think Margaery will pretend to convert to the Faith to get out of prison.
As for what the HS told Tommen, I have read the theory that he told him of the Tyrells’ hand in Joffrey’s murder. And the small council scene is a set-up being planned by Cersei and Jaime (with Rains of Castamere playing in the background). No idea if this is true, but this is the theory I like best.
For some reason, I feel that by the end of this season, Cersei will destroy all the Tyrells. And House Tyrell will be the third Noble House after Baratheon and Martell to be extinguished.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I don’t think Tyrion’s plan would work, ultimately I don’t think it even matters.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Dany and her Dothraki will burn/kill most of the Sons of the Harpy and the Slave Masters. She will go full-on “fire and blood”. And whatever is left of the Slaver’s Bay population will be ruled by Missendei and Greyworm in Dany’s name. Dany herself will set out for Westeros at the end of the season.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
My guess is “the Door” relates to either Hodor or the door to the 3ER”s cave. Either way, I think episode 5 is going to be Bran heavy.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Much as I would love to see Tormienne happen, no 🙁 . Brienne will leave for the Riverlands and her story is connected with Jaime.
Dee,
If you actually count, almost all the other Houses have lost more members than the Starks! The difference is the Starks were the first ones to start dying. And because they are the emotional core of this series, we feel their deaths more.
I’m on board with the HS told Tommen the Tyrell’s had Joeffry killed. This would pit The Tyrells and Lannisters against each other and increase his hold on KL.
I don’t remember if the scene with Jamie and Cersei planning the Tyrells to take the FM was before or after Tommen and her had their talk that left us hanging on what Tommen was about to spill. If he spilled that the HS told him about Jeoffrys murder it’s possible that Jamie and Cersei are going to pit Tyrells against FM. They told Kevan to stand down the Lannister army.
Cresei gets her revenge on both…
1) I assume it is some kind of ruse. The High Sparrow knows he has the support of the poor people (which I think is what Kevan alludes to when he says that the Faith Militant has many supporters). He is probably hoping for some kind of rash action by the crown (in reality killing Margaery only loses him his leverage), on which he can capitalise by rallying the rabble as he shows how afraid the upper classes really are of losing their power. The wild cards in this game are Tommen and Margaery. I do believe Tommen is sincere in his comments to his mother, but Margaery might actually see the Faith Militant as a useful ally to get rid of the Lannisters. Anyway, I am loving this storyline, as I assume it will end in utter chaos in KL, Tommen’s death and Cersei losing her sanity completely. I have wondered if Jaime knows what Cersei is accused of… something has to break that bond so he leaves the city…
2) Tyrion’s plan matters (it will fail) and Mereen matters, but not in the grander narrative that we will see play out (I assume Missandei/Grey Worm stay behind after Dany leaves for Westeros). It just shows the many complications after you conquer a region. It shows the necessity of politics and what absolutism does to people. I also believe the many hints that Dany might be a bit crazy like her father (feeding humans to dragons, burning people) will have a role to play in the future. I am glad if GoT shows that slavery won’t disapear like that, it takes time and that goes beyond the show. I assume Slaver’s Bay will be in turmoil and chaos for a long time after the show’s narrative ends.
3) Hard one. I suppose the Tower of Joy really doesn’t have a door…so maybe the crazy Hodor theory is true or it is connected to Dany and her red door. Maybe it is much more of a metaphor ‘alea iacta est’-meaning for several storylines (step through that door and there is no looking back).
4) No. It was very funny and cool, but seeing Tormund fighting in the trailer and Brienne at Riverrun makes me doubt this has a chance of happening. I don’t see Brienne survive the current season.
1. I believe the High Sparrow wasn’t going to march Marge through the streets naked, but still do a version of shaming. Her crime for lying seems a little less severe than incest. I think he told King Tommen exactly that, and that he’s trapping him with it.
2. Dany now has a massive army to enforce whatever rules she wants in Mereen. Tyrion is still planning, and I believe the whole thing was a ruse to buy time. I don’t think the Dany/Tyrion story matters at all, unless she plans on staying in Essos. Please don’t bring your madness to Westeros! I keep remembering Ser Barristan’s words to Dany, about the Mad King truly believing he was doing the right thing, and hinting to Dany that she’s resembling him more and more. Dany is the Mad Queen, and that fire God must love her sacrifices. She’s killed innocent people, and is an idiot if she believes having three dragons qualifies you to be a ruler.
3. I believe the “Door” represents the opening of a new chapter in every characters quest, and Bran’s vision of the WW. Part of me wants to believe that Jon witnessed a door of some kind in death and just now remembers it.
4. I think Brienne will be flattered by Tormund, but it won’t lead to anything. She’s probably never had a man crush on her like that!
5. I have to give my opinion in this section, but I’m sick of Dany. I don’t want her to become the villain of the series, although that would be a great twist. There’s no reason she should come to Westeros, and spread more misery and blood throughout the land. I’ll be even more pissed if she’s the savior from the WW invasion. She doesn’t even know about them, she’s nowhere near where she should be if that’s the plot, and that would just be AWFUL story telling.
3.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I think the HS is using this as a ruse for a confrontation. I think he is convincing Tommen that if he doesn’t follow the Seven Star religion that Margery is doomed if he doesn’t and used Cersei and Jamie’s relationship as a method to show him the error of their ways.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I think poor Tyrion’s plan is doomed to fail. I think that Grey Worm was right and they can’t be trusted. I don’t think Dany will be pleased the current affairs in Mereen and a battle will ensure. I loved the end of the last episode with Dany standing up for herself, but after it was over I too, worried that she might indeed be going to not be as tempered in her dealings with her enemies. Barrister kept her grounded and she respected him, but she doesn’t have that respect for Tyrion and Varys so I worry that she will start to show signs of the “Mad King.”
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
I’d like to think it had something to do with “Ho-dor” based on the fact the similarity to his name is so close, but it could be something else entirely…Arya and the door to the house of B&W? It may not mean anything literal. I think D&D are using episode titles that make us think one way when it’s actually something else.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
I think Torment like Brienne was really a “lol” moment in the show. Do I think she would seriously entertain a relationship with him? Oh no. Just based on the way she was watching the men at the table eat made me laugh. One side of the table correct and mannered, the other totally the opposite.
Can’t wait for Sunday!
Judging by the posts from the last couple of weeks, we should get the photos for the next episode any minute now, right?!
Surely the books/show will have Dany conquering Westeros from the South and run up against a united North under Stark rule. Both sides then unite to take on the WW army. To simplistic?
Redxgod,
That’s exactly how I think it will end up. Dany or Jon perhaps dying. I can’t see her rule a long time.
My speculation is that Westeros will go back to what was before Aegon’s conquest. 7 kingdoms.
I can’t see it another way….they both need each other…
the only guy who really cares about the WW problem is Jon, the Stark leader atm, and the “Winter is Coming ” has been repeated by the Starks for centuries….plus Bran will be the only one with the knowledge…they all will not be able to do it without some dragons, which Dany has. The Starks will need Dany. As for Dany, she’s takin so long that winter might’ve arrived at KL by the time she sits there, and the Kings of Winter are the northerners, so she’ll need Starks.
Plus the only non-Stark who has sortve helped there cause so far is Dany’s advisor Tyrion – Sansa wont forget his favours…and Ned in a way was the only Westerosi who opposed assassinating her as a child, Varys knows that well.
LF, Lannisters & Tyrells are now just in the way…Tyrells are about to be weakened by FM & Cersei, Cersei’s about to lose her wits and burn her own house to the ground, and hopefully Sansa/Arya gives LF what he deserves for the treacherous villain he is – The 2 others instrumental for Lord Ned’s betrayal, Slynt and Trent have died to Starks, now it’s his turn.
I can’t see there being 7. KL will probably be burnt down (Dany’s & Bran’s visions saw it the throne room destroyed). Martells of Dorne are over. So are the Lannisters (no heirs, just justice remains for the 2 twins now). House Aryn is worthless. Boltons are finishing soon. The Tyrells seem like theyre about to crash… Starks, Targaryens & Greyjoy’s left….Greyjoys and the others left are probably gonna have to side with the other 2. I think it’ll be split between North (Starks) and South (whatever remains of Dany’s empire) in the end. King of the North! Queen of the South & Essos!
Dee,
I think this too, Dee. I just have a feeling he’s gonna kill him right before or during the battle. I’m pretty sure only the middle Stark kids — Sansa, Arya, Bran (& Jon)– Survive this season.
Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Yes he is planning it, the High Sparrow is a very honest man. He really serves the Gods and won’t lie and manipulate others. Sort of at least, because forcing religion on young people like Tommen could be seen as manipulative. I worry more at what happens when Tommen joins him. Tommen would become one of Cersei’s enemies. And I won’t need to say what would happen then…
Gold will be his shroud. And Cersei will throw herself from the highest tower of the sept of Baelor afterwards.
Bring Back Benjen,
I said 7 kingdoms. There can easly be 7 without the Lannisters, Martells or Baratheon.
I was speaking about the land and political situation not about the families.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
That makes me sad
It didn’t cross my mind that way 🙁
RJ,
Funny enough yeah. Same way Jon fans want him to ride Drogon and same way Daeny fans more than anyone want her with Jon. Everybody got something going on.
Geralt of Rivia,
I’m a Dany fan and I don’t want her with Jon…
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I don’t think he would do that, she is to beloved by the people of Kingslanding, and I don’t think he would have told Margaery his background-story, if he wants to have her belief changed. I think the thing the high sparrow could have involved Joffreys Death? But anything, I don’t think it will be anything that could turn against Cersei, it’s more a information that she can use for herself.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Daenerys enslavement is her big achievemenet in Essos, so I think it’s for her a big point on her agenda, so I don’t think she’ll let it fall. He return to the dothraki and her coup d’état by fire was more an fulfillement of the resting testament of her husband and her son. I hope Tyrions plan will work out somehow, and yes we can see the mad kings genes in Daenerys with burning the patriarchy down in Vaes Dothrak.
But somehow I see parallels between Got and our world now, if Daenerys is bringing the Dothraki and Unsullied to Westeros and allows them to stay that could bring something up like the far right-populist parties, who are exploding in every country right now.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
It could be the door of the septe, the door of the house of Black and White, some door in the past, and possibly someone could be throwed out the moon door.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
That would be fun to watch!
Not really.
They’ve lost: Eddard, Cat, Benjen, Robb, Talisa, unborn Eddard (& Grey Wind, Lady, Shaggydog)
The point is the emotional suffering they have all gone through. Ever since Ned died it’s been one simply huge tragedy story each for everyone. No one else had had such grief and tragedy – emotional suffering, torture, humiliation, Red frikikin Wedding…Plus no one ever knew about anyone else’s safety – they were all always seperate fearing the worst for everyone else – and they were never happy. Robb winning battles was the closest thing, but he knew he was losing the war. Cat never smiled since S1E1… etc
Lannisters: Joffrey, Tywin & Myrcella – No one else. And besides that there was no emotional suffering the way the Starks had. – Besides the death they were constantly winning, inflicting pain and sufferin on others, while never really fearing for themselves until mid-S5 maybe!
Greyjoy: Balon, no one cares. Theon was their greatest tragedy, but that was cos of his Stark connection.
Boltons: Roose – treacherous idiot. Killed by his own, so not really a tragedy to anyone
Tyrells: …
Martells: 3, but that was just weird right – no one cares.
Baratheon: The 3 brothers don’t really count together, they were never close and some we never saw any interaction. Joffrey & Myrcella caused no grief to any Baratheon, just their true parents were grieving – so they dont count either.
Geralt of Rivia,
I am a Jon fan and I don’t want him to ride Drogon 🙂
1.) At this point the High Sparrow has demonstrated a remarkable talent for manipulation, and Tommen might be the easiest mark in all of King’s Landing, so no, I don’t think he was genuine about what he plans to do with Margaery. Although the details are fuzzy, it seems more likely than not that the High Sparrow will outmaneuver the new Lannister-Tyrell alliance to topple him, and things will get worse for the highborn in KL.
2a.) Tyrion’s plan from 604 was a ploy, and a shrewd one at that. If it works (which I doubt it will), it’s averted war in Slaver’s Bay and will uphold the ideals, if not the letter, of Daenerys’ goals in the region. And if it fails, it will have made the Slavers into the aggressors, and will have bought valuable time to prepare Meereen for the battles to come.
2b.) As for Dany herself, she is clearly all about the Fire and the Blood at this point. There will be armies at Meereen’s doorstep by the time she returns, but even if there weren’t, this wouldn’t be the same Daenerys who left in Season 5. I believe she will use her Dothraki army and her dragons to destroy the Slavers attacking Meereen, and then will decide to leave Essos and follow her destiny to Westeros.
3.) No idea what “The Door” could refer to, specifically. But since were speculating, I’ll say it will have something to do with Bran’s storyline, and will relate in some way to the White Walkers.
4.) Sadly, Brienne and Tormund will be a passing infatuation. We know from the episode synopsis that Brienne is going on a mission (south to find Arya, I’d bet $$$), and Tormund has plans to rally his people to defend themselves against Bolton aggression.
I don’t really do this sort of speculating but i’ll give it a try….
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
He won’t march her trough the streets, he wants her to convert. I think it’s clear what he told Tommen…At least that’s how I saw it the first time… He told Tommen that his mother and the Tyrels will continue to fight and be unable to do anything against him, most likely to make him distrust/dislike them. I think in the end Tommen will truly convert, Margeary will just pretend.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Tyrion’s plan doesn’t matter anymore, they(slavers) will all die soon.
Dany will do what she was supposed to do from the beginning, she will go full ”fire and blood”.
She won’t go mad, she will do what Aegon the conqueror did, they will bend or break.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
A metaphorical ”door” characters will step trough it and ”evolve”. Jon/Sansa marching to war, her confronting LF. Dany will embrace her roots and become a conqueror…etc.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Would I like to see it happening? Sure, it was fun and I enjoyed this turn. Will I think it will happen? No. They have different paths to take.
Very interesting! I’d never thought about the fact that the Sons of the Harpy and the masters wouldn’t have proper motivation to burn the fleet in this storyline – perhaps in the books where there might be a naval war, but not in the show. And so you may be right that Tyrion is looking to suss out the true culprits.
I don’t think Dany will turn into “Mad Queen”, that will be Cersei. Dany is most definitely on the side of the good and she will remain so. Mainly because her compassion for the weak and powerless (as seen once again in her conversation with the Llazareen widow) and her saviour-complex is as strong as ever. However, after seeing the last episode, I do think there is a hint of craziness in her. She was definitely enjoying her handiwork, watching the fire consume the Khals. After all, perhaps a person would need to be a bit crazy to pull off what she did. However, I expect her to be enough in control of herself so as not to truly turn mad.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
It’s a Ruse. I think Marge will fake convert to the faith to get out of her confinement and she’ll convince Tommen in the meantime to go along. I think Cersi is playing the Tyrell’s and is setting them up to be destroyed. I’m convinced he told Tommen that Olenna had Joffery murdered. Not sure how it’ll go down beyond that…Think once the Tyrell’s are gone and Cersi has the power back she’ll get to have her “I choose violence” ending.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
I think Dany won’t find any resolution to Meereen’s issues. I think Tyrion was only buying time for her return he hopes??? I don’t know if he even believes she will return. I think seeing the red priestess next episode will give a better understanding of what is next for Dany/Tyrion and the gang. I think westeros is her end game still and she may have to leave Meereen in the hands of GW and Missandei. When will Dany realize she is turning into her father is the biggest issue and what will she do if/when she realizes this?
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
I think this is both a literal connotation and subjective one. Literal in the fact it will answer the question about how Hodor got his name and why that’s all he can say and subjective as characters will be transitioning from one player in the game to another. I think the 3ER/Bran/Hodor/WW/COTF deal is going to be a mind-screwing twist in the show. Things are never as simple as they appear. There’s a reason the directors made a point to emphasize young Ned hearing Bran call out “father” at the TOJ flashback.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
I hope she will but they might have to fight it out first
King Crow Lord Snow,
House Reyne.
ghost of winterfell,
Aegon the conqueror burned thousands alive with his dragons.
Men, women and children.
Was he mad? No.
That is how I see Dany evolving. If people bend to her, then she will be kind with them, as Aegon was with the Starks/Tyrrels/Tully’s, if they fight her, she will destroy them as he did with Haren, his children, the Greenhands and the last storm king, forgot his name..
Mihnea,
Yes, I agree she is not mad, nor will she turn mad. But there could be some craziness in her. Hell, Aegon the Conqueror could have been the same. We never truly knew him. Because he was the first Targeryen King to unite the Seven Kingdoms, he is remembered as more of a legend. So far, I never believed Dany to be even the least bit crazy. However Emilia Clarke’s performance in the last scene definitely gave me this impression.
Elizabeth,
Ah thank you!!! I’ll keep that in mind
ghost of winterfell,
There’s a big leap from enjoying seeing your enemies die, the same people who threaten to let their horses rape you, to burning innocent people because the voices in your head told you so.
Even in the previous scene we see her be kind with the young DK. She probaly enjoys killing/destroying oppresors.
After reading this thread, if Dany does NOT leave Meereen in the hands of GW and Missandei, I’ll be disappointed!
Mihnea,
That’s exactly what I said in my first comment??!! I never said that she would burn innocent people or that she would hear voices in her head??In fact, what I said was that her compassion remains as strong as ever.
There can be different levels of craziness. Burning innocent people comes at the extreme end of the spectrum.
ghost of winterfell,
Oh… I think I understood that wrong! Sorry!
Then we agree… 🙂
Geralt of Rivia,
Its not question of wanting dany to be with him …but OK with a possiblity that may happen in the series and given the evidence its perfectly normal to believe in the at one….but to go on denying that possiblity and say dany is not worth of jon ie another thing.
So one fandom is more accpetable and while the other is not .
Since the show began man. I’m sure you knew what I meant.
I’m not a book-reader so I only know of that from internet, makes me think how evil Tywin actually was…two arrows on the privy wasnt justice to that power-crazed monster! House Reyne, Red Wedding, Elia Martell & her children, unleashing Gregor Clegane full stop – man, he’s caused more suffering than Ramsay and Joffrey combined…did the Mad King cause as many deaths as Tywin has?!?
1. There is no way that what Tommen told Cersei was the same thing that Cersei told the small council. Everything about this scene, from the way Tommen was acting, to the way Cersei was acting, to the music that played, to the way it was cut, suggests it’s something much bigger, something that would make Cersei much angrier.
4. Brienne/Tormund – Is this seriously a question? It was cute and funny and it ends for good next episode.
Mihnea,
ghost of winterfell,
I think iam not shocked to see this mad comments coming from show …if one can create a theory based on the books where dany shows more humanside and compassion and constantly compared to rhaegar and rhaegar’s sister ..
Then i believe it will be it possible to come up with in the show as well ..
I take that look as being confident at herself and what she is going to do ..that’s why she keeps her smirk because she knows she is not in their mercy but they are ..
And yes some people will get lot of glee when their enemies get destroyed
I consider dany as same as Arya both have gone through many evil in the world that too alone and hardened and growed around those environment …gives back them what they received and what theie enemies deserve
3. It’ll have multiple meanings, naturally. Hodor, red door, door to lyanna’s room. Etc.
4. I’m afraid this is waaay too fun a thing to not mean imminent death. Gonna miss you, Big Red! #greatgingerconspiracy
Matthieu Lannister,
She never believes having three dragons make hera ruler ….
lol somehow people forget that what barrisatan said to dany after that ” no your grace you are not your father .,thank the gods for that ” ..
One can ask why she did burn the master later ..
what happened when she listened to barristan it lead to more problems and him ending up dead in an Alley way
So his advice didn’t work in the end ..
So dany now listens to what darrio said kill the masters and make them afraid to stop the killings .
But she realizes that will also not work and comes up with her own idea and compromise to stop the killings ..
So in away they had shown her doubts and struggle by having this two men advice the extreme measurement.
And this scene how else she is going to kill all the khals and take the lead of dothraki if not by fire the one thing she as advantage over ..
What am kind of dont like is tyrion is being given dany’s storyline from ADWd …
RJ,
I like this!
1. I think it’s a ruse. Not sure what his plan is but he’s certainly has one and its not as holy as he likes to claim.
2. The thing for me about Dany – Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt etc. its all great but she still has not proved she can rule. She can inspire “devotion”, conquer cities and people but she doesn’t have a clue how to rule, example: Meereen.
I think Tyrion’s plan will fail but good for him for trying something. No one else seems to be thinking.
3. hmmm…Im stumped.
4. I hope so!! But I don’t think so
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I don’t think so and I don’t think that’s what the HS told Tommen, I doubt the HS lied (it is a sin after all), but simply revealed the truth to Tommen. Perhaps he revealed to Tommen that it was Cersei who framed Maergery (hence Tommens comment about not liking Marg) and that Olenna framed Cersei in retaliation for Marg (with Lancel being LFs “handsome boy” he promised the QoT).
His aim (as he’s said many times) is to bring the highborn to their knees, by letting both houses rip each other apart. Cersei is playing into his hands by to letting the Tyrell forces take the brunt of the fighting (while the Lannister’s stand down), hopefully wiping out the FM at the same time and resulting in Maergery and Loras being killed in the resultant chaos. The Lannister forces will then appear to come to the aid of the FM by wiping out the remnants of the Tyrrell’s (remember this is all that Cersei and Jaime have spoken about in their scenes together).
I really feel that the HS is not wrong in anything he has said in all of his scenes (although his measures may be a bit extreme). It is the little folk who suffer when the high lords play their game of thrones after all, and this episode gives several examples of how the highborn are happy to use the lowborn to their own ends; Sansa and Olenna (rather them than us). It’s only now that the episode title has more resonance to me.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Mereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
Meh, I don’t even care anymore. They need to get their asses outta there and get to Westeros already! It’s been 3 seasons now!
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
She’s embracing her heritage and destiny even; fire and blood. She’ll try her best to liberate who she can in Essos but it will come at a huge cost in terms of loss of life (another example of the cost of these “highborn games”). I do think though that she has an ace up her sleeve that none of us yet realize. She talks about breaking the wheel; perhaps she has plans for a more democratic leadership in Westeros by dismantling the current feudal system. She’s already pulled some ace moves in liberating Astapor and now the Dothraki…it’d be foolish to underestimate this little woman
3.Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
I reckon it’s the door to the past/ future through Brans visions– and perhaps Bran accidentally leaving that door open in some way, to allow the WWs to invade further.
4. Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection?
Doubtful- she’ll be heading south very soon and he’ll likely die this season and it takes a LONG time for her to warm to anyone, least of all someone as unrefined as Tormund. Which is a shame as I loved their interaction and chemistry.
redx,
Lol I missed this comment somehow …
How come people always come up with this ridiculous comparisons with joffery and Frey’s I do not know ..
Anyways I will answer ..
First daenerys to khal is not like what Frey’s is to Robb …they betrayed Robb under their own house .
Dany is being held as captive and does not know her future for certain ..
And what she did is completely in line with dothraki ..you need to kill one khal to become a khal and she kills all to become the khal of khals .
redx,
No difference between what the Freys did and what Dany did? Really? No differences? Why don’t you think about it a little harder.
Think about it some more and then come back to me. Kay?
Yeh, Jon’s just as bad too. Remember what he did to those poor people who took over Craster’s Keep – slaughtered them all while they were enjoying a party. One was even mauled by that direwolf, an evil Stark monster. He then set the building on fire – he had no right! They’d pre-meditated that massacre from the wall too, even though Alliser Thorne, the only voice of reason at CB, warned him not to.
Huh, and people hate Ramsay! When did he kill anyone except as a tactic of war. And Joffrey? I mean he was a child.
Walder Frey, Daenerys & Jon – no real difference – evil and selfish!!
Why do several people say that, *if* the door has anything to do with Hodor, we’ll get more Tower of Joy? Since the CV of the actor playing the young version of Ser Rodrik has him in this episode, it looks like we are getting Winterfell of old again. This was one of the reasons why I think it could be the scene of Lyanna leaving.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Not at first. He wants to see her reaction(s) and wants to see if she falls back to the blanket of the Tyrell gold. Which she did when talking to Loras. Her *attempt* to rally support will only lead her to a walk.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
Look at the uncontrollable fire she started in a little dome with a few little spits. Poor Meereen when she sics 3 dragons on it. The people she needs out will get out, the rest will burn with the slaves and masters alike.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
What does it say about a woman who knows about her family history (with fire related deaths) and CONTINUES to do it. She has been gone, mentally, since the first pyre experiment.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
There will be a Red Door at Winterfell.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Is that Icebox from The Little Giants all grown up and with some kind of Euro accent? No. She is content thinking about being the man in her relationship with Renly. Tormund is waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much man.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I think it may be a ruse. There are so many good aspects to Game of Thrones, and the subtle, political games (sometimes not so subtle) are one of my favorite parts, mainly because they allow for so much speculation as we wait for new episodes. It’s also very interesting to rewatch episodes and find subtle hints and clues about future happenings.
I am actually going to have to rewatch Tommen’s scenes with the High Sparrow, because I missed the “secret!” There is an interesting theory online that says the High Sparrow may have told Tommen about the Tyrells’ involvement with Joffrey’s murder. You can find it online in different places. It’s an interesting theory, especially when you consider that the Tyrell forces will exclusively be sent out to deal with Margaery’s imprisonment. However, I do wonder if Cersei could actually keep her cool long enough to think of something so elaborate. She was frothing mad when she first thought Tyrion might have been behind it. I don’t think she has the guile of Little Finger to wait long enough to pull that off, though. We shall see!
The High Sparrow greatly mentioned Cersei’s role as mother to Tommen, so perhaps he may have mentioned the incest?
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
During last episode, I really wanted Missandei and Grey Worm to shut up, sit down, and let Tyrion do his thing. He was Hand of the King in King’s Landing. He can handle peasant slavers. I feel like he might have to deliver some hard truths about government to Dany and Co, as well as their population. They can’t always be crusaders of justice to the point that they’ve shown. Sometimes compromise must be made, and if you want to rule in Westeros, compromise is a good friend.
I don’t think Dany will initially like Tyrion’s plan, but after telling it like it is, she may resign and accept it.
Honestly, Targaryan’s have always burned things and people. Look at Aegon. He conquered and founded Westeros as we know it by burning everything. She’s just being a Targ. However, there came a point where Aegon stopped burning everything. Dany will also have to reach this point, both in Slaver’s Bay and Westeros.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
This could refer to multiple situations. The strongest among those of us who’ve read the books look forward to it tying into Dany’s storyline. Not sure how they would introduce the Red Door in the show, but they will do their best to tell the story and I have faith in them.
Someone mentioned somewhere that we’ll go to Winterfell in the next episode. We still haven’t heard Ramsay’s line of, “Do you like to play games, little man?” I feel like this might be his weird, twisted way of a game show, featuring Rickon.
If we go to King’s Landing, perhaps The Door is also a door of opportunity for Margaery to be free and for Cersei to seal a way to deal with her political enemies.
Also, I think episode 5 is the time stamp for the promo photo of Melisandre and other characters on horses. Perhaps The Door is the doors that lead outside the wall. One door closes, and another door opens…
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
I think Brienne is weary of men who could possibly find interest in her. She’s been ridiculed by men (and women, to a lesser extent) all her life. When a man suddenly finds interest in her, she’s going to be wary. Right now, I also feel like she’s too proper to be with a Wildling. However, I have hope that Brienne will warm up to Tormund Giantsbae like many of us have. <3
I dont know what the hell is going on with the high sparrow but he needs to die!
I dont think Tyrions plan matters as to me it just seems like a stall technique until Dany gets back and does whatever she wants.
I cant wait to see what the door refers to!
I would love for Brienne & Tormund to get together!
Hawk,
I think tyrion should to them here …you will see his plan basically fail because this is what dany does ..compromise with slavers and ended up getting sieged.
Dee,
Pretty much all of the old community from there is here now. This site might have a different name, but this community was the first that formed specifically around the show way before Game of Thrones even aired. It don’t think there are any other sites (save the wiki maybe) that existed in season 1 and are still around, but I could be wrong there.
I think it’s too “simple” for that to just work. His proposal offered them little and didn’t provide them with anything other than compensation. We know from the preseason trailers that shit is going to hit the fan and fighting will continue in Meereen. I believe it’s likely that Tyrion will find out a diplomatic approach will not fix the problem.
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I watched the episode yet again last night after I posted here earlier. I continue to think that what Tommen told Cersei had nothing to do with a walk of atonement. It must have been something bigger that they didn’t want to show on screen yet. I’m going to stick with the thought that the HS told him Olenna killed Joffrey – knowledge he gleaned from Loras. Even if the HS would make Margaery do the walk, which doesn’t fit her “crime,” Cersei wouldn’t give a shit. Actually, she’d probably keep that info to herself and find great joy in Margaery being humiliated in the manner she had been.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Whatever the High Sparrow told Tommen, I think his intention is to have the Tyrells fight the Lannisters and come out on top. Cersei’s plan on the other hand is to have the Tyrells fight the Sparrows and then finish whoever wins this fight. But I would be surprised if Olena would not see through this plan. I expect that she could try to struck a deal with the High Sparrow, offering that Margaery demonstrates in public that she was converted to the Faith, somehow getting rid of the Cersei via a trial, and then sharing power between Crown and Faith once Cersei is out of the way. In fact, the show runners have set up the situation in Kings Landing in a way that would allow all possible outcomes, which is why we just have to wait and see for which of the options they will go. In any case, Cersei should live to see Tommen die to fulfill the prophecy, so I don’t think she will be the one to loose this battle. So either some the Tyrells or the High Sparrow himself will not live trough season 6.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I think Tyrons plan will buy some time for Dany to return with her khalasar and dragons to end the slavers rule once and for all. Only then she will turn towards Westeros, but I think as soon as she lands there she will learn of the thread by the WW, which is why she will unite her forces with whatever armies remain in Westeros until that point to fight back the WW invasion.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Good question, could be anything really. Just like the “Book of the Stranger” did not really have a central meaning in Ep. 4 (at least in my opinion). I don’t think we will see a ToJ flashback and I also don’t think it refers to a possible Dany flashback showing the secret behind the house with the red door (although that would be awesome), because we already know that we will see young Hodor and we already know that we will see the NK, and I don’t think they will have more than 2 flashbacks in one Episode. So my best guess is that may refer to some door that we see in the Hodor flashback.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Given her affection to Renly one would think that Tormund is not her type. 😉 So no, I don’t really see that happening.
Im guessing it’s not the creepy door in the night fort…
Clob,
Tyrion’s buying time, so are the masters. Slaver’s bay is in limbo til someone figures out what happened to Dany, and more importantly, her weapons of mass destruction. Then both sides adjust again, long before 7 years.
Austen
Because slavers bay was never will be rid of slavery by doing compromise.
It has to burned down and a new civilization must be born ..
The reason dany failed in meereen is not because she is terrible at ruling but it was because that place can’t be ruled by making compromise to slavers and was impossible to rule while totally blocked on every path..
George wanted us to see how difficult it is to rule when every gate is blocked ..they are under siege ..ships seized sea route blocked .,roads blocked and all the trees and other things are burned and they have pale mare and sons of harpies inside the city ..
No one would have succeeded there making peace and we will see that even tyrion can’t achieve that
Geralt of Rivia,
I’m a Jon fan and I don’t want him to ride Drogon lmao. He’s always been Dany’s dragon and they share a bond.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
All I know is Tommen is stuck in the middle of this, and somehow Cersei is going to make a mistake and Tommen will die as a result. I’ve no clue how.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
Tyrion will fail, because there is no solution with the slavers. My money is on Dany coming back, killing all the masters and defeating any troops that may be on their way.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
No idea, none of these titles have been straight forward. I’m sure after this little era of rebirth, the characters are going to move to new phases, like going through a door. I like the Hodor theory, but that feels like to on the nose for such a big reveal. D&D have been playing their cards close and wouldn’t let any episode titles this season reveal hints.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Fun, but unimportant..
1. I don’t think Loras is aware of Olenna’s involvement in the poisoning of Joffrey… I think that the HS told Tommen about how Cersei was involved in framing Loras and Margaery (of course he wouldn’t say that with those words, but in a much more subtle way, appealing to the “mother aspect” of Cersei and how she would like to protect him from any bad influence… something like that). He did this in order to create more tension between the Lannisters and the Tyrells and also to slowly but surely isolate Tommen from Cersei and put him under his influence. That’s way Tommen asked Cersei: “you really don’t like Margaery, do you?”
2. I don’t know… Dany has no exit strategy from Essos.
3. The Door: Bran’s visions are doors to the past. The Kingsmoot is a “door” to a new reign. Loras’ repentance opens a door out.
4. Poor Tormund, Brienne will break his heart.
erm, she killed a load of guys who had imprisoned her and had decided to take it in turns raping her, guys who treat women like objects.
short answer: you are talking bollocks!
I don’t think the High Sparrow told Tommen about who killed Joffrey or who is true father is. Tommen could never have heard that information and then calmly speak to his mother about it. I think the High Sparrow told Tommen that Margery is pregnant! That fits in with all his talk of mother love, etc. But rather than loving the thought of being a grandmother, Cersei will realize that this means Tommen will be all Margery’s now. That is why she is lying about Marg having to make a walk of atonement.
I don’t think she is hoping the Tyrells are beaten in the fight, because Jaime will be in there helping them. But she does hope Marg is killed. And somehow, something stupid that Cersei does will result in Tommen’s death. That is what will throw her into full on batshit crazy, burn down KL mode!
Dany will retain what she has learned. She will continue to fry her enemies, but help the deserving. She will get angry at Tyrion at first, but then realize that he is just buying time and smoking out the real leaders of the Sons of the Harpys.
The Door will be both physical (ToJ) and metaphorical (Jon & Co. leaving CB).
I would love to see Brienne end up with Tormond, but she will have to deal with her Jaime feelings first. I’m waiting (impatiently) for someone to spill the beans to Jaime about Cersei and Lancel, and hope it is before Jaime goes to River Run. But I don’t think Jaime will make it to the end of the series, so I can see Brienne and Tormund settling down in Tarth and having magnificent, kissed-by-fire children!
Roberta Baratheon,
I like your theory on the situation in KL and how Cersei will end up “burning the city to the ground”, as she has so often repeated.
Great thinking!
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Told Tommen there is more power in combining strengths.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
To all those who say that Dany is unstable like the Mad King, she is simply reacting to her circumstances. Whereas the Mad King killed people at random, she is reacts to horrific situations like the killing of children, rape and murder threats etc. the two don’t come close. Tyrion is very smart but he has gotten himself into much trouble before. This is one of those times. Grey worm and Missandei will step up and rule if Dany and Tyrion leave.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Metaphor for change and growth. All main characters are growing into their future, better selves. Well maybe not all, looking at you Cersei.
4. Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection?
They seem well suited with a similar temperament. They will fight side by side and if they live, then yes.
Dee,
OMG, Thank you! i thought that i was the only one that was like, lost in KL..!!!!
***if you haven’t read the books possible spoilers***
1. No way does Margery do the walk of atonement…but Loras will. Margery will be released because she is either pregnant, has converted, or both. Whatever the High Sparrow told Tommen will be the undoing of Cersei. She will face a trial, Loras will face a trial. Both will be trials by combat. The mountain will face either Ser Loras, or The Hound. When Cersei’s past is finally revealed, Jamie will abandon her and head to the Riverlands. By the end of this season, I predict the following deaths: Cersei, Jamie, The Mountain, Walder Frey, Kevan, Tommen, Pycell, Ser Jorah, and of course Ramsey. By the end of this season or the beginning of the next, the High Sparrow will sit on the Iron Throne (the Holy Roman Emperor). Bold predictions, but when you consider that there is really only one season to go after this, we have a lot of peeps to kill.
2. Dany re-takes Slaver’s Bay close to the same time that the Greyjoys arrive to propose a partnership; their ships in exchange for independence. Dany leaves Slavers bay in the care of Grey Worm and company. She takes the remaining Unsullied and the Dothraki across the Narrow Sea.
3. The significance of “The Door” is transformation, or change, the unknown. all of the major characters are moving through a door into the unknown. When one door shuts, another opens.
4. Come on now, really? You can’t take a simple 3 second screen shot of comic relief and extrapolate that into a romance. There just isn’t that much time.
Other predictions: Arya stows away with the Greyjoy fleet, or bumps into Samwell and Gilly, and makes it to Westeros…only she won’t look like Arya. LSH captures Brienne and Pod, and also encounters Littlefinger(possibly killing him) Cersei is beheaded (if she really is based on Mary Queen of Scotts, this seems likely) Brienne will burn(see The Maid of Orleans).
Oh…and just when the battle of the bastards is at it’s peak, the White Walkers attack. See Bran in the trailer… “They have no idea what’s coming”.
The door includes 1) ToJ, 2) back door to dragonpit, 3) the red door in a Dany flashback, 4) a door in a Mel flashback, 5) a door in seaworld that somebody pushes Euron/simpson’s sea captain out of to save that plot, 6) a cell door in KL, and while we’re at it, a cell door that the sand snakes open in Dorne that reveals
who kills them all.
Oh, also something something Hodor and something something moon door. That should do it!
Probably.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I think it’s a ruse! There’s no way, IMO, that the Tyrells are going to form an alliance with the Lannisters. It reminds me of in the War of the Roses after the Yorks and Lancasters knocked each other out of the running, the Tudors became the rulers of England. I do think that the Tyrells are the Tudors of Game of Thrones.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
I do think that Dany will attempt to build her armed forces into something massive before she sets off for Westeros. Actually, I think that two sides will definitely form, with various armies coming together to fight the ‘other side’. Dany’s possible allies could be Dorne, the Greyjoys, and if Tyrion could work miracles, the other armies of Slavers’ Bay. On the other side, I believe the Starks (with the Manderlys and Mormonts, among other lesser houses) will defeat the Boltons and their allies, then move south to fight the Lannisters. The Tyrell army will initially pretend to ally with the Lannisters then turn cloak, going to the other side. When Dany’s forces come to Westeros, the Starks, etc. will join with her. I don’t know how long it will take the White Walkers to get to Westeros but by the time they do, the force that meets them, met by Dany and Jon should be ready for them. Dany and Jon both must have such anger boiling up inside them that it will come out as a ferocious desire for revenge like nothing ever seen before.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
I think ‘The Door’ could be one of several things: first, literally a simple door as the one in the House of Black and White that is a metaphor for something else; second, a door that opens in the Wall to let the White Walkers through; third, something to do with what Bran sees, like the door in the Tower of Joy and fourth, something to do with what Sam discovers in the Citadel. Whatever the significance is, it probably means that opening a door might reveal something of great importance.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Well, as I wrote in the Daniel Sackheim post, it would be nice if Tormund and Brienne could have some hard, hot sex to relieve their tensions before going off in separate directions to fight some more. I mean, they both deserve it, so why not?
Wouldnt it have been great if Dany’s eyes glowed purple at the end of the episode showing her magic his happening 😀
I don’t know if I need spoiler code so I will cover some things. I don’t know.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I think he told King Tommen about the Walk because he knew the Tommen would run and tell his Mother immediately. It was throw away information. The HS is planning on this and will move forward.
There are many examples of this happening in other shows and movies. Where a villain tells someone exactly what they want to hear and knows what is going to happen next. A trap is coming.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I think there is going to be a wrap up with the
Unless, it is a double cross because Tyrion knows they will not adhere to the terms of the agreement. Then, there is a justification for military action. If the Dothraki are going to follow Dany back to Meereen, then that could be the leverage to use against the Masters. Tyrion can say, ” Comply with the terms or deal with a giant army of Dothraki and dragons. The only way to stop your death is with this agreement.” or something like that. I personally think the Battle of Fire will happen anyway.
Also, I don’t think it will matter once they go to Westeros though. It might be all gone.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
The Door is going to be metaphorical and literal.
The metaphorical could be characters transitioning to new storylines. Ending chapters of their lives and beginning new ones. Another door could be
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Yes. It must happen.
I doubt Brienne will return Tormund’s affection, but I do think that his attempt to “steal” her, per Wildling custom, will end up bringing down the Wall.
(Kidding. But I imagine that any attempts at courtship would result in extensive damage to people and property.)
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1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
I believe the High Sparrow is alienating Cersei. He told Tommen she would be turned over peacefully after a public confession of lying, if he allowed the confession to conclude without military interference. The High Sparrow knew not only that Tommen would break his promise and tell his mother, but also Cersei would then be “false” and use the opportunity for violence. After Margaery “converts” to the Faith and Tommen is pushed toward the Sparrow and his Queen because of Cersei’s betrayal, her trial will begin. Details of her indiscretions will drive even Jamie away and to the Riverlands. With the Faith Militant and the Tyrell army in the capital, Cersei on the outs with her son, the King, she may lose the game of thrones quicker than we imagined.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plans work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Reminds of the “to go forward you must go back.” Tyrion’s plans won’t matter, hopefully the negotiations just gives them enough time for Dany to show up. I think Dany will return and retell the fall of Old Ghis. “The city’s brick walls were pulled down, its streets and buildings were turned to ash and cinder by dragonflame, and its fields were sown with salt, sulfur, and skulls.” She’s going to have to reevaluate her morals because the Dothraki are far from noble warriors. Her manifest destiny towards Westeros will begin when the Iron Born ships come to offer Dany an alliance.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
The Door reminds me of the recently seen cave door Bran is carried through to talk to Meera in episode 2 “Home.” Perhaps when Bran is stuck in his vision with the Night’s King, he reveals their location. On the other hand, it could just be symbolic or be the meeting room where Sansa meets Littlefinger.
4. Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection?
Brienne seems confused by someone even being attracted to her, and since we know she’ll be going to Riverrun before long it doesn’t seem promising. However, maybe during the battle for Winterfell they save eachother and fall into eachothers arms. I like thinking the bear and maiden fair could be one and the same to Tormund.
1) Margaery is a ruse. They’re going to release her and punish/kill Loras.
2) Do not care.
3) It’s a red door and someone wants to paint it black.
4) Abso-fucking-lutely, even if only in our hearts.
I believe the high sparrow know exactly what will happen if he marches Margery through the streets. He knows what Olenna will do because she made as much clear last season when they spoke. He knows that Tommen will tell his mother about his intentions and he knows how the Tyrells and Lannisters will respond
Just haf a new opinion o q1
Reckon it might actually relate to “handsome young man” aka Gendry
So Olenna may have approached High Sparrow about the possibility of annulling the marriage given the rumours etc which the Sparrows are well aware of, eg Tommen being taunted but also HS raised it with Cersei
HS knows Tommen will tell Cersei and does so to drive a wedge
So, Cersei responds by forming a scenario involving Tyrell hostility towards the HS to prevent this
3) Meaning of The Door — the perils of foretelling the future, which can apply to Bran, Mel/Jon, Cersei, Dany, etc.
As I’ve been re-reading AFFC and ADWD, I have been marking phrases that could be themes or episode titles. In Cersei VIII in AFFC, Cersei recalls Maggy the Frog’s prophecies and
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Loving the Olenna reference there!
High Sparrow is provoking Cercei. I think he wants the commoners to revolt against the crown.
Tyrion made that deal to stop the killing until Dany returns, that’s all.
I don’t see how people have a problem with shat Dany is doing, she was threatened. Fire is her thing. Let that bich burn.
The door, no idea. The titles have been largely insignificant bar a few dialogues.
Brienne is leaving for Riverrun and if she encounters LS it might be curtains.
1 – HS Told Tommen that Loras is dead, Margery is pregnant and also confessed to her minor sin of lying to protect Loras, and will be released without further consequences. HS knows Tommen will tell Cersi and that those results will really piss her off and push her to react violently to kill off once and for all the “younger, more beautiful” and soon to be freed Queen Margery, prophesied to take everything from Cersi.
Wondering …did Cersi fill Jamie in on the full prophesy and he is also in on plan to get rid of the Queen to take back all that was theirs and more…and if Loras’ death was a “make it stop” mercy “killing”.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
The High Sparrow has got to know that the Tyrell children are his only leverage. Once he gives them both up, he’s a dead man. I think he’ll give Margaery back once the Lannister-Tyrell forces come to rescue her, but keep Loras. I could also see Margaery working some PR magic to prevent clashing in the streets.
If the Sparrows remain untouched, Cersei might use the little birds to murder Loras to compel the Tyrell forces into action.
When she was interviewed about Episode 4, Natalie Dormer was sporting a much more modest look. Am betting it’s from later in the season and is Faith-related:
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
If it’s meant to create a division between Dany and Tyrion, it may prove very successful, and lead Tyrion to support another party in the long-term. My money’s on Jon. I’ve been waiting for them to reunite since their S1 scenes, though this may not be until S7.
I don’t think Dany’s ever stopped burning her enemies. Ask those Meereenese nobles from last season.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Probably related to Bran’s visions, perhaps a gateway that the Walkers (or Bran and co) will use. The Wall is not going to be impenetrable for long.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
Oh I hope so! ??? We need more scenes between these two. Perhaps Tormund asks Brienne for weapons training. She couldn’t very well deny that request, could she?
THIS.
Vasud,
What if the Sparrow told Tommen who killed Joffrey. What if when Frankenmountains helmet comes off the head is Joffreys….It would make for some interesting scenes.
Marianne,
It is strange that Gregor’s eyes are blue and bloodshot now.
So totally out of context with the current episode, Im starting on a theory, that may be due to wine or may be due to green sight: What If:
Catelyn being totally pissed by Ned bringing back his supposed bastard child, Jon, decides, that if Ned can break the sacred wows of “family, duty, honor”, then she can too:
Wouldn’t Sansa’s growing capabilities seem to you more a mix of “family, duty, honor” and the vices and virtues of Petyr Baelish?, than a mix of “family, duty, honor” and “Winter is Coming?”.
And to add insult to injury, wouldn’t Ayra Stark seem more like a mix of “family, duty, honor” and “Ours is the Fury”?
Even Bran may seem more Reed than Stark actually…
Maybe Rickon is the only Stark left…
Sorry for bringing this up (and sorry if this is already an ongoing theory) :-/
/Soeren
Søren,
And also sorry for this probably being a completely retarded theory
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
Ruse. He has a grand plan to “topple an empire” and humiliating Marg doesn’t go far enough. He’s looking to provoke the Lannisters.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
I think it will be a variation of the Battle of Fire forthcoming in TWOW. We’ll get a battle between the masters and Dany’s unsullied with potentially others showing up mid-fight.
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
She’s in full Fire and Blood mode. Just like she was at the end of ADWD. Momma’s coming home.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Dual meaning: Door to the Crypts of Winterfell AND door to the bloody bed in the ToJ.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
I wish, but I think it will be one-sided.
Deny isn’t burning her enemies; she’s burning the enemies of life.
All I know is that Ned was carrying Arthur’s sword, Dawn, when he started up the stairs of the Tower of Joy. This is after using the man’s own sword to cut him down. Ned had no business carrying that sword, and I have no idea why he didn’t retrieve his own weapon.
1. Is the High Sparrow really planning to march Margaery through the streets or is this a ruse? What did the High Sparrow tell King Tommen?
No, the High Sparrow will release Margaery. But he told a story to Tommen, knowing he would tell Cersei, who would attack a religious order, further alienating the commoners of KL.
2. With the massive update in Dany’s storyline, how does Meereen play into their future? Will Tyrion’s plan work or will it be doomed to failure? Will it not even matter?
What does it say about Dany’s mentality if she’s returning to burning her enemies? Will she abandon her quest for a peaceful, slave-free Slaver’s Bay and look to her destiny in Westeros?
Meereen will be resolved when Daenerys returns with a Dothraki army. Tyrion’s plan will fail and will not really matter.
What it says about her storyline is that it’s not going to be in limbo state forever like in the last three seasons. She wants to abolish slavery, and she will realize that compromises are not the way, and anyone opposed to it will have to be removed expediently. With her own specialized power. Her mentality will be: “To action!” Slavers are not HER enemy; they are a blight on all humans.
3. Speculate. What is the significance of “The Door”?
Door to the past in Bran’s vision. Something Door-related in Hodor’s backstory that makes Bran angry.
4. ?Will Brienne ever return Tormund’s affection??
No.
In the ToJ scene it seems that Ned could hear Bran because of the Magic the First Men have In their blood. In The Door, the Night’s King can seemingly interact with Bran. In Old Nans stories she says that the Kights King is a Stark so that may be a connecting link and may explain the scene.
Driblyredwyne,
I’d buy that theory. Margaery is a bright woman and can manipulate with the best. But give up being THE queen to don septa’s robes? How long could THAT last?
Isabelle,
Love it! <3
Buck allen,
you nailed it
Read my palm, Queen! Tell me my life!