Blimey, what an episode! And I thought the ending to The Red Woman was a shocker. Now that we’ve all had a chance to digest the latest Game of Thrones offering, let’s check out some of the videos and interviews that examine “Home.”
People Magazine spoke to Carice van Houten and Liam Cunninham about that miraculous resurrection.
Cunningham says one of the most tricky parts of the scene to shoot was Kit pretending to be dead during the body washing.
We shot it for a long time, there are a lot of different shots on it. And that’s a nightmare. When you’re doing a dead body it’s fine, you’re lying there, unless you’ve been running and get shot, you have to [control your breathing]. From an acting point of view, it’s very tricky.
Van Houten concurs:
We shot the s— out of it. I’ve touched Kit’s body, I’ve cleaned him I don’t know, 55,000 times. To the point where I was like, ‘Can he just wake up now?’ I joked with him, I said, ‘If only my mother would be here,’ because my mother and my sister both have a crush on him….He has a ripped body, he’s a beautiful young man. But most of all he’s a really generous actor and a really sweet guy, but it was a long resurrection. For that little thing it was a long day.
For more on the scene, including how Twitter responded to Melisandre’s actions last series and how van Houten thinks her character will react to the miracle, check out the full interview.
Iwan Rheon spoke with Entertainment Weekly comparing Ramsay’s actions this episode to that of a totalitarian dictator and calling them “Stalin-y.”
His stepmother gives birth to a baby boy, and that’s alarm bells right there, and his father’s warned him [about his legitimacy]. Instead of maybe trying to wait and see, it’s, ‘You have to go, mate, sorry.’
Writer Dave Hill says that while patricide was never far from Ramsay’s mind, Walda’s death was a little different.
He doesn’t bear his [step] mother any ill will. She’s a very sweet woman in the wrong place, wrong time.
Rheon agrees that unlike some of Ramsay’s previous acts, this wasn’t pre-meditated, and has an effect on him which he didn’t expect.
You can read the whole interview here.
The actor behind everyone’s favourite (now sadly deceased) flayer Michael McElhatton chatted to TVLine and claimed he wasn’t surprised to learn he was one of the season’s early victims.
You’re always aware that anybody can go at any time. One of the great achievements of Game of Thrones is that everybody knows at least 10 characters are going to die every year, and yet it is always a shock when they do die. It’s a tremendous testament to the writing and direction and everything that you still get shocked and surprised by that.
He calls his death a good end, a joy to film and a satisfying conclusion for fans who’ve wanted him gone since the Red Wedding. He also discusses some of his favourite scenes, Roose’s motivations and some of the things people enjoy saying to him on the streets. You can read the whole thing here.
Isaac Hempstead-Wright spoke to The New York Times about returning to play Bran after a season’s absence. He talks about having a period of readjustment to being back in front of the cameras, what it’s like to work with the legendary Max von Sydow and where he thinks his character will go this season. He also comments that Game of Thrones is ‘tying up,’ more this year.
Game of Thrones” has always been this vast, sprawling network of story lines that maybe cross for one second and then shoot off. But this season they’re all starting to look like they’re coming back toward a central focal point and pave the way for epic, epic things.
You can read the whole interview here.
HBO has released its post-episode videos. In this week’s “Inside the Episode,” David Benioff and D.B. Weiss discussing catching up with Bran, Ramsay’s murderous motivations and Davos’ uneasy alliance with Melisandre.
Tom Wlaschiha discusses Jaqen H’ghar’s special interest in Arya and how her character has progressed under his tutelage.
Finally Lena Headey and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau discuss Cersei’s shift in character.
WOOT JON LIVES!
Lol, my 1st Hodor, or is it Wilis now?
DireWolfHeart,
Hodor…speaks
HODOR!!!!
WILLIS!!!!
WALDER!!!!
Euron!Euron king!
You could tell the washing bit was very difficult to film. Everyone in that scene was amazing!
I’m so happy I could cry lmao. Can next Sunday get here already?
Shit is gonna go down!!!!!! I really hope we see Sansa and Jon interact, I would hate it if they missed eachother. This would be the first time two starks meet again!!!!!!! I’m also excited to see what happens with Dany. I just want to see the look on the Dolthraki’s faces when Drogon arrives lol
Poor Carice, must have been a drag washing Kit over and over again, LOL!
Wyllis!
I’m very excited to see where Cersei goes this season. I’m starting to think there’s no room for her to wage war on Dorne, what with all the open fronts, but that is what I would expect her to do. I want to see her interact w Kevan and the rest of the small council. I also want to see how she deals with the faith and this trial she is supposed to have. I can’t see her submitting to it now.
And what is going on w Marge and Loras? And LF?!!
I was just enthralled with the episode. So much was covered and there are so many directions the different arcs can go. I just am still feeling the hype and want to watch the episodes back to back the rest of the week to try and catch anything I may have missed. I was literally saying to my TV “open your eyes, OPEN your EYES, open your eyes while everyone filed out of the room and then minute before Ghost moved. When Ghost moved I was like it’s going to happen!!! Woot Woot.. what a great moment.
Great Post-Mortem of Home, Geoffery! I love it!! 🙂
Yeah we still haven’t caught up with Loras, LF, Sam/Gilly, Bronn, or Lancel yet.
Kae Alexander (Leaf) with the “Home” HYPE
https://twitter.com/kaealexander/status/726952044117020672
caliopesnow,
Thank you 😀
Gemma Whelan teases what’s to come for the Ironborn!!
EURON KING!
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/02/game-of-thrones-gemma-whelan-on-the-kingsmoot-and-euron-greyjoys-return
I thought when Mel failed and people started to leave the room, we would see Bran through some weird far off vision working his mojo and revive JS but all the folks at the Wall would believe it was due to Mel’s magic. Either way it was done nicely and we can move on from that, “is JS really REALLY dead?” question
Roose will be missed, Balon not so much, new CotF look cool in a creepy WTF kind of way, Hopefully the dragons leave their dungeon now they have the freedom to roam around a bit, Kingsmoot should be entertaining getting to know crazy ass Euron a little better,
, Tarlys at Horn Hill eventually
Davos owned this one!
That TV Line interview was excellent. I came to terms with the idea that Ramsay was going to murder his father and usurp his position long ago, but now that the moment is here, my nostalgia is running deep – far more so than one might expect for a character who betrayed and murdered Robb Stark. God, I’m going to miss Michael McElhatton. His portrayal of Roose Bolton was an absolute masterclass.
its good they didnt drag the jon return out for long, but the episode had some things in it I didnt like. I always liked Roose as a villian, more than Ramsey, its sad to see him go like that, it was also a little bit rushed.
The Euron scene was perfect. After anticipating it for so long it did not disappoint me at all. I’m feeling real good that the Ironborn arc this year will be great.
Is this the greatest episode of all time?
How much hair did Mel cut of Jon’s? Will he don the man bun for the rest of the season?
In the last 2 eps we see Dorne’s leader taken down by his own people, Iron Islands leader taken down by his own brother, and Bolton leader taken out by his own son.
The heads of families are dropping like flies around Westeros. Is anyone loyal FFS?!
The North Remembers,
It’s so obvious with her heading to Castle Black but wouldn’t it be better if they reunite together later on against Ramsay? Either we’ll get our first Stark reunion.
It was perfect indeed. Maybe this is only my interpretation, but I loved the metaphor of them standing in different ends of the bridge and trying to cross it, that at the same time meant them trying to cross each other. When Euron says “I am the storm brother, the first storm and the last. And you’re in my way” what a great parallel
Oh Kit, you really are just a little bit vain… not that anyone blames you. 😀
I’m sure that scene would have sucked to film, dude has to breathe!
Chuku Modu’s (Khal Moro) roommates reaction to the rez lol!
SPOLIER ALERT –
https://twitter.com/chuksta/status/727209077546299393
Jack Bauer 24,
I expect Lancel, Loras (with Marg) and Sam&Gilly to appear in episode 3. From the preview we know Qyburn appears, no clue when we’ll see Kevan/Pycelle/Olenna. I’m quite sure LF and Bronn won’t appear until later. The next episode is already busy, it has about 8 storylines (though it has really impressively dealt with many storylines in the first two episodes).
“He calls his death a good end, a joy to film and a satisfying conclusion for fans who’ve wanted him gone since the Red Wedding”
You bet your ass we have, Mr. Bolton.
The fandom sends their regards!!!!!!!!!!!
Geralt of Rivia,
True! I wish they could all be together again but I doubt that will happen 🙁
The North Remembers,
I have a feeling Sansa will reach Castle Black next episode. If so, someone finally woke up from his nap to greet her 😀
Looper,
Don’t know why but something is fishy about all of this. I know, show has been very obvious in Jon’s resurrection and other things but what if she ends up elsewhere. Of course question is where? Not many options left. Next episode should be deciding and key in this.
Mace Tyrell is the only initial head of his family left lmao
Can’t wait to see the look on Allister’s face when he realizes what’s happened.
Aryamad,
THE WAIT IS TOO LONG!!!!!!
Dee,
Remember what 9 months feels like!
So I don’t know where else to go for discussion/speculation about this: did anyone else re-watch the “next week” teaser four or five times trying to figure out what was going on in that dramatic fight choreography at the end with the very confident blond kid? Because I’m really afraid that’s fAegon.
So true, only 8 more episodes to go and the agony will start again. Let’s enjoy this time while we can.
Much better episode than last week’s. They seem to be building some plotlines nicely, such as the tension between Jaime/Cersei and the Faith and where exactly Sansa and Brienne are going to go ( I think it was wise putting the two together as both seem a bit directionless at times).
Ramsay has really amped up his hateability this episode. Was surprised he killed Roose this early and when the power in the north is still in the balance. Seemed a bit daft but made more sense that the SS rubbish as they had been building his paranoia about being a bastard for a couple of seasons now.
The Euron introduction was excellent so hopefully they’ll continue the Ironborn goodness with the Kingsmoot and beyond. Be interesting to see where Theon fits in with it all. I sense Yara will be the one going to Mereen but kind of hope it’s Theon as he deserves a bit of glory after all the shit he’s been though (accepted a lot of it was of his own doing) plus they seem to be collecting the shows eunuchs there so why not?!.
Tyrion releasing the dragons was a nice scene. Mereen appears to be at a bit of a standstill for the other characters though.
Bran’s flashback was nicely handled. Think he’s going to prove to be an effective way of telling some of the backstory. Although I do hope that they leave it somewhat vague on non-crucial points (still hoping for that Robert’s Rebellion prequel in some form!).
Jon coming back was a given so couldn’t really get excited about it. Looking forward to where things go now though.
My only worry is that the show is rattling through at a pretty quick pace now. This and the last season didn’t seem to give time for stories and scenes to play out as naturally as previous ones did. I do hope they don’t go the way of having to have something shocking happen every scene in the wrong opinion that that is why people watch. Give me some more of that verbal and mental jousting that was so great. The politics and more subtle power struggles were just as exciting as the violent conflicts.
It’s the
http://m.ca.ign.com/articles/2016/05/02/game-of-thrones-george-rr-martinas-thoughts-on-resurrection
Do we think Jon will be so different?
Interesting pattern:
Baratheons – all dead. Bastard Gendry closest thing to an heir.
Martells – all dead (or cut from show). Ellaria Sand and Sand Snakes de facto rulers in Dorne, bastards all.
North – Ramsey Bolton, another bastard, is lord
The Wall – Jon Snow is a zombee bastard
Kings Landing – Tommen is a bastard
Mereen – Tyrion is a bastard in his father’s eye
The Vale – Littlefinger still rules; after sickly Robyn, Harry Hardyng is next in line, and he has bastard children too
Beyond the Wall: Bloodraven is a bastard
Who is the guy that tells Ramsay he has a “gift” for him?
Smalljon Umber.
Jack Bauer 24,
Smalljon Umber
Hawk,
Better just be the two other members of the Kingsguard or myself and many others will be pissed!
Went to youtube today, got a good cup of book purist tears, mainly from the ToJ scene. Anyone wanna take a sip?
Agree 100%
This scene totally lived up to my expectations and was by far my favourite in an outstanding episode. Can’t wait for more of Euron, I hope we see plenty of him this season.
So was Jon warged into Ghost that whole time?
wouldnt say that, already saw some critics that had some negative views about it, the whole Ramsey stuff has become kind of predictable and the Jon snow thing wasnt that big of a shocker anyway, almost everyone knew he would come back.
Going to miss the smooth badness of Michael McElhatton, great Roose Bolton and a real life gentleman.
By the way, did Bloodraven really say: “It is beautiful under the sea [. . . ].”?
[ spoiler ] Could this be a slight nod to patchface from the writers’ side to somewhat fuel the theory among some bookreaders that patchface is sometimes acting as a vessel for someone else’s (Bloodraven’s) thoughts? [ /spoiler ]
Fair, but I liked his scenes this episode. Ramsay actually displayed a lot of emotion during both scenes. He couldn’t look his father in the eye when he stabbed him, and even while watching Fat Walda being slaughtered it seemed to have some sort of visible impact on him. I liked it much more than seeing him playfully toture Theon or hunting his ex girlfriends.
JS,
That is a fantastic point. Bastards rule. And Dany is totally going to miss breaking the wheel because it’s happening before she even gets there. No more Baratheons, no more Martells, no more Boltons, less Lannisters, very few Tullys and I’m betting soon a complete disappearance of Freys…and probably one or two less Tyrells.
The Starks, however, are rising again. 🙂
Damn i already miss Michael McElhatton
Completely off-topic, but fuck yes Leicester City!!! A fantastic GoT episode followed by the greatest sporting achievement ever.
Hawk,
Ooooh thanks! That’s a MUCH more exciting thing to look forward to!
KnightOfStorm’sEnd,
Apparently, I´m too dumb to correctly set the spoiler-brackets.
Dee,
I don’t think he’ll be very different…maybe more so in the books. I think he’ll still have personality like Beric did…and he was revived multiple times.
Hopefully if there’s a change he wont be so damned noble to a fault like Ned…and Robb.
I guess when it came to women they weren’t as noble (although the Jury is still out on Ned). If RLJ isn’t true I always thought it would be interesting if they all didn’t remain on the super high noble road when they fell for a woman.
rhymeswithweak,
Interesting response!
I too don’t think it will be that different
I don’t think Jon will ever love again
Let’s just hope this one is a keeper, please don’t kill him too soon like Oberyn.
Flayed Potatoes,
Not just Mace. Walder Frey is still standing. And Littlefinger is technically the head of his house, though his entire house seems to be just him.
Knight of the Walkers,
Knight of the Walkers,
One of the best moments of my life lol
taim,
The last 2 seasons have really put Roose on the back burner to develop Ramsey as a villain. I wish we got to see more of the stoic evil mastermind.
Ramsay’s thoughts about killing Walda and baby in the EW interview were odd. If it wasn’t premeditated, why not give them easier deaths and then feed the bodies to the dogs like his beloved Myranda? That scene felt chillingly sadistic, way more than Roose’s death.
Flayed Potatoes,
I know it was hard for them, but man, did I ever enjoy it 🙂
Newbietothegame,
I, OTOH, thoroughly enjoyed watching it 🙂
Making the 8,
And just before that,
.
Lots of regime change from within.
*on a side note, I’m new here — can someone tell me whether I really needed to put that in spoilers?
My guess is the episode starts with the Tower of Joy flashback and then immediate goes to the Wall with Jon revealing himself (well not “revealing revealing” himself!)
Yes, well deserved for the fighting King Powers! One of the best sports stories of the year.
I will miss Roose- he was an interesting villain. Its disappointing that they went the predictable route with this angle.
I was hoping Roose would anticipate Ramsay’s action and counter it. Oh well.
Will baby Sam grow this year? Or will he still be an infant as
am he has been for 2 years?
Jaime to the High Sparrow: “Did you just threaten to overthrow my family’s empire or are you just happy to see me?”
Apropos of nothing, but I was thinking of a way to make Dorne interesting (yeah, I know) and came up with this:
Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are enjoying a noontime repast in the Water Gardens and discussing how best to utterly destroy the Lannisters. After everyone has given their opinion, Ellaria turns to her luncheon guest and asks, “And what do you think, Lady Olenna?”
CatspawAssassin,
I like how you think….
lol, must be a lot of jealous women who would love to be able to wash Kit all day
That said a lot of jealous men on the other side of the equation who would love to get washed all day by CvH lol
Anyway, McElhatton did a great job, while we didn’t get the Leech Lord of the books, for mine he pretty much nailed the creepy vibe and capable strategist vibe that comes to mind when I think of Roose. More in the curtain call
Just realised something about the flashback, Ned and Benjen are showed as blonde, but they effectively confirmed Lyanna as dark-haired
Looking forward to ToJ, reckon it will be done creatively in keeping with JS resurrection but also Dany’s journey. We’ve heard much about how they were Kings and Queens of Westeros but viewers will be given the visual context via Targaryen Kings Guard – of course my theory is they are guarding Jon as the Targaryen heir so for all the Dany talk I reckon his claim may trump Dany’s, depends on whether Rhaegar and Lyanna married or not. I reckon the nobility of the Targ Kings Guard will be creatively compared to the monstrosity that is Ser Robert Strong too
Yeah I’ve been pondering this theme. I certainly think that Gendry is the “handsome young man” LF offerred to Olenna Tyrell/QoT
They envisaged this last season, with the bastard talk between Sansa and Ramsay, Ramsay as a bastard legitmised by another bastard (Tommen)
Certainly a case of “Bastards rising”
Bev,
You and me both!
Adam,
Totally forgot about Walder!
Jack Bauer 24,
At the time I was thinking don’t cut it too short Mel! I hope by when the battle arrives that mane will be grown out and flowing in the breeze 🙂
The young man offered by LF was Lancel Lannister – the tool Olenna needed for her revenge on Cersei (who had gotten her “handsome young man” tool, the lover of Loras, before).
KevLS,
It’s been set-up for seasons.
Shocking the audience is fine and good many times but you can’t just throw all the forshadowing out of the window.
Anyway Roose will be death in both mediums by Ramsey’s doing.
So now that my theory of Jon being resurrected by Thoros has been mercilessly thwarted, that leaves A BIG QUESTION open:
Why is Thoros of Myr coming back to the show at all? What would be his role and that of the BwB if they obviously are not a part of Jon’s resurrection?
And, even more important: Why has his reappearance not been made public like that of most other actors? Why was it held a secret so long?
I can only think of one single reason – please tell me others!!
Bev,
In an article they talk about having the name Jon Snow banned from scripts and set during filming. Instead they used LC, for lord commander of course, but Carice joked a different interpretation to the initials when they did the washing scene (something they couldn’t print) Somebody needs the shame bell rung at her haha.
A photo from the trailer: http://imgur.com/UsX9I2i
now when we know
What do you think ?
Inquisitor1961,
Good question. Doesn’t look like the place Shireen burned. Appears a cliffside and top of Weirwood tree down below. Could it be the remnants of one of bodies burnt at battle? If so, who would Davos be sad about? Ugh. I don’t want to think about that.
ygritte,
Inquisitor1961,
It looks like they will be going to house Mormont but this shot could be in the battle at WF where there is a tree like that. Something tells me one of the bodies on cross could be
ygritte,
Now what about those disappearing dogs, are we supposed to believe that Fat Walda ate them all?
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Inquisitor1961,
No it doesn’t seem a likely end for her, at this point I’m just wondering who it ould be that Davos cares about? Perhaps he stumbles upon Stannis body and has it burned. Though enough time has passed he’s probably been taken already.
Green Chili,
Lancel confessed to the high sparrow before Tommen ‘ s corronation. He and Kevan discuss it with Cersei @ the corronation.
ygritte,
True
Owen Teale gives spoiler in article about how things will go between Jon and Alliser if anyone’s interested:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/game-thrones-actor-talks-jon-snow-twist-121919702.html
I am thinking that perhaps Ramsay might get to the end unscathed. After all, wasn’t Tywin Lannister the baddest of the bad in the past (ordering the Mountain to rip the head off of and the guts out of Elia, her babies and finally, her husband) and many other evil deeds just as bad as Ramsay’s terrible acts? His daughter Cersei has been emulating her father as well. Even Robert Baratheon seems to have been a devil who took over the crown by sheer determination. Ramsay has taken over that type of persona and is obviously striving to become the supreme ruler by eliminating all of the people standing in his path. Could happen again for sure. We, the readers and the viewers are being manipulated into believing that Ramsay Bolton is the worst, but is he really? We think so because we are being SHOWN his evil deeds, not just told about them.
I don’t think this was the case. In the discussion you’re referring to (which takes place at Tywin’s funeral by the way), Lancel indeed is a sparrow (but he hasn’t gotten his faith militant tattoo yet), and he tells Cersei that he has changed his life and found peace. He implies that she too can break away from her sins and change – but she harshly rejects this idea:
“I’m a different person now. I’ve found peace in the light of the Seven.
You can, too.
They watch over all of us, ready to dole out mercy or justice.
Their world is at hand.”
There is no word of him having confessed his relationship to Cersei, no word of the High Sparrow at all; though I could imagine he maybe did confess his sins in a more general way without naming any persons.
By the way, I think part of the reason for Lancel further radicalizing was this conversation with Cersei, and her rejecting the religious offer of mercy he talked about. It may have convinced him that there is only one way to make persons like Cersei repent their sins – by bringing justice to them.
Anyone a little interested by the strange untold ‘connection’ (if you can call it that) between Jon Snow and the Night’s King in Hardhome (around the time that he resurrected all of the dead) and the fact that Jon has now himself been resurrected. Could there be some kind of twist about him being ‘undead’ and less able to fight the Walkers perhaps?
ygritte,
Maybe his Youngest Son and squire to Stannis? He was the only one to survive Blackwater, correct?
shudd,
I’m not sure that would make much sense seeing as the Wall has some sort of magic spell that makes the walkers unable to pass through it. I guess he could be some form of “un-dead” but the connection would be weak if he is able to pass back and forth under the wall
The North Remembers,
Oh, I don’t remember that. I thought he only had one son, who died in BW.
In the book he has five, and only one survives. In the show there is only one, I think.
KnightOfStorm´sEnd,
You need to remove the spaces between the brackets and the text inside them. Don’t worry, most of us take a while to get the hang of it. Also, don’t know if you’re new around here – if so hello! – but a few of us had to remove the apostrophes from our user names a while ago because the program that runs the website doesn’t like them. You might find you have the same problem (nothing to do with spoilers, just while I’m on a computer code-related train of thought) 🙂
CenPhx,
Hello new person, welcome to the Wall 😀 I think you need to cover anything that hasn’t been shown in the programme, so stuff from the books and any filming spoilers/gossip. There are lots of people on here who want to avoid all spoilers so covering things just in case is always a good idea.
Michael McElhatton, Charles Dance and Stephen Dillane = the cool dudes have left the show.
KnightOfStorm’sEnd,
Possibly. Patchface is the only character Melisandre is outright scared of and he has predicted the future on a number of occasions. Could suggest he has a bigger role to play.
CatspawAssassin,
I’d go the same route only The Silence turns up on the shore and Euron btuchers them all. Wishful thinking!
And hooray for that. There are FEWER Lannisters (with a fond nod to Stannis) and yes, Mace Tyrell is still head of his household, sort of, if Olenna is in a good mood. Don’t know if it will mean much to the scheme of things but Randyll Tarly, Sam’s renowned warrior father, is still head of his household. I know, Randyll isn’t the head of a major major house, but I still think he’s presence is going to mean something to the story.
Thank you for that. Well worth reading. I read it – went to it with a chip on my shoulder, as in “Let’s see what this jerk has to say.” Finished it, and now have a whole new attitude about the actor, Owen Teale. What a thoughtful, soulful person he seems to be. He has an amazing take on what makes Thorne tick, which he compares to his own lovely vision of life. He talks about himself having hope for the future as opposed to Thorne’s having no hope or vision of a future, and how Thorne sees Jon Snow as someone who has this lust for life that Thorne just can’t abide.
I’ve come to appreciate the personalities of the actors so much in the last few years, via their appearances and interviews. What an amazing collection of vibrant, able people this cast is. Did Nina Gold act as casting agent for all these people? She certainly has both the eye and the heart for getting the right people for the role.
The most important piece of info from this episode: Podrick still doesn’t know how to make fires.
Thronetender,
Yeah what Teale said about why Alliser doesn’t like Jon was a revelation to me. I just thought it was because he came from the noble Stark family and knowing his dad is best friends with the “usurper” Robert. Also very surprised at how he says it will play out. Thought for sure there would be anger and retribution. Though maybe part of that is because everyone said Jon would come back more ruthless and I became convinced of that. The casting really is great on this show, I agree 🙂 I remember one interview, I forget which star but they said it’s really cool how everyone on the show is so nice and they all get along well.
At this point, I am expecting mercy. Who knows, maybe Jon will really play holier-than-thou and apologize to Olly for not taking into account how Olly would feel about saving the people that butchered his family. Moreover, if Ramsay makes himself known to Jon quickly, this could be important: Jon is going to be reminded just how much hatred losing your family inspires.
Indeed, I think that it would be wonderfully surprising if Jon comes back more soulful than before!
My guess; Jon comes back ruthless with a taste for vengeance. Dark Snow.