Sophie Turner appeared on TBS’s Conan last night, charming the host and guests with tales of kicked gingers, Comic Con shenanigans, and creeping on celebrities.
TBS has uploaded a few clips of the episode for everyone to enjoy:
Amid yesterday’s rush of new material for Game of Thrones season 6, there was some other info floating around: rumored episode titles.
We’ve checked with HBO, and they are unable to confirm these new episode titles being reported by GeeklyInc and their sources. However, the website reported six of last year’s episode titles with accuracy so we feel comfortable with sharing them for now.
HBO has already announced that the premiere will be called “The Red Woman.”
According to GeeklyInc, the second episode of season 6 is titled, “Home,” and episode 3 will be titled, “Oathbreaker.”
If the titles are accurate, “Oathbreaker” is certainly the most intriguing one. Brienne has taken oaths, and the name of her sword Oathkeeper is the flip side of this title. Brienne’s oaths are strongly tested in the novels. Other characters like Jaime and Jon Snow are known to be oathbreakers as well, so I could see an episode titled that going many ways.
“Home” is a simple title, but with so many characters longing for theirs, it’s always a powerful theme.
What do you think of these potential titles, readers?
HODOR?
Davyth Stark,
No
Boom – finally i got one!!!
Intrigued about ‘Home’ and ‘Oathbreaker’ very similar to s508 – Hardhome and s404 Oathkeeper – dunno doesn’t sit right with me – would rather something different but i havent seen the episodes and nothing could dull the enthusiasm i have for GoT s6 right now
Home for me means Dany arriving at Vaes Dothrak, Sansa planning on re-taking Winterfell, Theon/Euron reaching the Iron islands.
Omg. I love her.
They’re certainly interesting titles if they’re right. “Home” is simple, but would fit well with a lot of the storylines we know are happening. On the other hand, I love “Oathbreaker” as a title and I really hope that it is accurate. It juxtaposes nicely with “Oathekeeper”, and again it seems like a realistic episode title. I wish I had predicted it actually (whereas “Home” would’ve been impossible to guess).
They were right last year, so I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. Let’s hope we get some official confirmation soon!
Home – Sam Tarly passing through hornhill 🙂
Love the titles, both of them could mean so many different things. Oathbreaker could also have the vision of Jaime killing the mad king, as some people suspect from the trailers.
Maybe we won’t get a single title right this year, haha.
Jon Snowed,
I also think Samwell Tarly might be in Horn Hill for Ep2 because he has a long trip this season
Yes, this was my first thought as well!
I love both Sophie and Sansa! Can’t decide who I love more! Come on girl, get your Queen on and kick some ass this season!
I think Home will refer to the return of Euron to the iron isles for the kingsmoot.
Home could also be reference to Bran visiting WF through vision?
Daughter of Winter,
Are you around, my friend?
I enjoyed Sophie’s interview and I thought you would as well. I think that you’re very excited about the new trailer, good things are to happen to your favourite character. She looked great with the Stark sigil embroided on her chest. And about how lovely and elegant Sophie looked at the opening night, I am a girl and I was charmed! I can’t imagine how gorgeous she might appear to a man’s eyes 😉
Remember a certain big guy with a chick, a baby and a dead guy (don`t remember did the last one ended up in the ship on the show) going south for the Oldtown (and from there to Horn hill). And we know for a fact that some members of Tarly family were cast, like Randyll, samwells father.. another Damascus stee… sorry, Valyrian sword is coming to the show on episode 2 “Home”!!
The wolves will come again,
yaaaas
so no one guessed The red woman, home, or oathbreaker??
it would be so cool if some of you guessed the rest of the episodes right!
Huh, isn’t that a little weird that episode 2 is the one that’s called “Home”, but then that released clip of Dany reaching Vaes Dothrak and one of the dudes literally saying “Welcome home Khaleesi” is supposedly from episode 3?
Is it possible that one of these two pieces of information got a bit distorted on its way through the grapevine?
(I’m just so used to them having their episode titles refer to as many different storylines as possible, I guess.)
Jon Oathbreaker
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think Walder Frey will make an appearance in Oathbreaker
Sophie is a star!
Can’t wait to see her as the iconic Jean Grey in X-Men. Another franchise magnet!
Ok speculation time:
Home – Sansa wants her home back, Dany goes to VD (may arrive there in episode 2 or 3), some characters are headed for the Iron Islands, Horn Hill, Jon has no home (thanks NW mutiny), Cersei’s ‘home’ is threatened by the sparrows, Bran mourns the destruction of his home and family, the Wildlings have no home, Arya has to adapt to life in her new home (House of B&W)
Oathbreaker – Jon questions his oath (yes pls), Jaime does something shady, Brienne has another oath to fulfil (find Arya, leave Sansa with whomever), Bloodraven breaking his oath to the NW (maybe we’ll get some info on his disappearance idk)
I think ‘Home’ will cover more than one arc. As stated above it probably will be Sam and the Tarlys, Dany in Vaes Dothrak, Euron.
The thing that strikes me is that I associate the word home with a safe and comfortable place. I don’t quite see it feeling like that on the show.
I am looking forward seeing new faces/characters this season.
Oh man, I really hope that “Home” will have Arya’s first warging into Nymeria.
And I’m so fucking excited for Sansa’s storyline, the boss ass bitch better not be disappointing. I’m hyped.
Rat Kook,
I believe James Hibberd said the Vaes Dothrak scene is from E2
The prospect of getting S3 Dany back is so exciting!
Home – Sansa returning to WF?
Oathbreaker – Brienne obviously comes to mind bc of her sword but maybe Jon as well? Officially taking his new name and leaving his NW vows in the rear view….
Cersei’s Brain,
Aaaaahh. I went back into the previous article’s massive comment chain and did a page search for “James Hibberd” – turns out I missed that one! Thanks 😀
HelloThere,
Im excited for that story as well but,
What is S3 Dany?? how is she different in S4 and S5?
Alexandre Dumas,
she just left, I hope she isn’t returning that soon at the hands of Ramsay. I want him dead. Asap.
Is it just me or do they look related ahaha
I have a feeling the title “Home” will have to do with Dany, because in one of the 3 clips they released, the one Dothraki said “Welcome home, Khaleesi”. Could be referring to that, and something else as well. I doubt Sansa will return to Winterfell that early ahah, and it probably wont be with Ramsay still there.
Those are fake titles from an imdb troll.
phantomstrife,
I had a feeling they were. Can’t trust anything on the internet lol.
Connor,
I wasn’t sold on them either. but is it confirmed theyre fake
Deesensfan,
I have been trying so hard to avoid anything further with “spoilers” but the clips and another trailer were just too hard to resist…still not liking the Jon Snow dead feeling I have, but we will see. Sansa looks awesome!!
I wonder if we’ll get any episodes that match our guesses for season 6.
Anywho, if these titles are correct, they could refer to a plethora of different things.
Home:
Sansa wanting to take back Winterfell.
Theon arriving at the Iron Islands.
Bran finding his place in the Weirwood.
Jon Snow, still a corpse, wonders if a freezer is the best place for him. Friends and Co wonder as well.
Jaime wondering where his place is as a Lannister.
Tyrion getting comfortable with the similarities of Kings Landing and Meereen.
Dany’s captors begin travelling to Vaes Dothrak, to the Dosh Khaleen, the supposed “home” for Dany as a retired Khaleesi.
Arya realizes that she isn’t “No One.” She’s a Stark, by-golly!
Davos and Melisandre find “hero-to-their-sidekick” potential in Jon Snow.
Oathbreaker:
I feel like this one will resonate strongly within a few select characters, namely Brienne, Jon, and Jaime.
Brienne might do something regarding Sansa, fulfilling or not quite meeting oaths taken for Catelyn and Jaime.
Jon Snow will be released from his vows, broken or not.
Jaime will likely be moved to action in regard to the Sparrows and the effects on his family, both blood-wise and extended.
Arya is dangerously close to the “no 3rd chances” thing.
Elizabeth,
I know, it was hard to avoid the trailer yesterday. I am glad I didn’t. That was amazing. But it adds to my Jon Snow returning doubts… more so that it wont happen this year, or will happen at the end (if it will)
As for the clips, I have managed to avoid watching these. Only 12 days to go, not long now.
Can someone explain to me the fascination with episode titles? I wouldn’t mind one bit if the were labeled 1, 2, 3…..for example, there’s not much creativity behind chapter titles in the books
Deesensfan,
U have no idea how much I respect that, awesome display of restraint
If only I was a Tyrion mask ?
I don’t like Episode 2’s title.
Offtopic, but for the record, myself and several other people reported not being able to see the countdown clock from mobile (mine is Android).
LOL True, can’t be Sansa. Clearly it’s Dany.
SIDE NOTE – can someone please tell me exactly when Jonny Boy is making his appearance, I really don’t want to wait until June
I can’t speak for anyone else. For me it is a way to speculate what could be expected from the episode; whose arc could be dominant in the episode.
You know, something to talk about.
The nasty bits,
thank you 🙂
its been super hard but were so close.
and you all are hyping me up hard, sooo im even more excited.
Newbietothegame,
I was going to say the same.
I guess we’ll take anything during the offseason.
The clips are cute, but it’s a shame she’s not actually discussing the show in any of them.
So many characters headed “Home”…
Maybe Gendry finally makes it to Flea Bottom!
I have to do a little bitch & moan. Sorry!
I haven’t watched Conan much the past several years – probably hardly any since Late Night and now I remember why. I watched all the way through Sophie’s interview and I just got upset. The show starts at 10 pm my time. Everyone knows the first guest is the primary and gets the most time, but last night was a ridiculous split of time considering the guests. Conan had friggin’ Kevin Nealon as the first guest! The barely been anybody ever, bit character in just about every Adam Sandler bomb, Kevin Nealon was on for twenty minutes!! Conan brought Sophie out for 8 MINUTES and burned half of it talking about hair color!! One of the major characters on one of the biggest shows and in an X-Men movie this year and she gets a few minute interview after playing second fiddle to Kevin Nealon. Sure, DiCaprio or, or Julia Louis-Dreyfus sort of people, but Kevin Nealon!? I can’t imagine too many viewers are excited for discussions with Nealon.
No new clip on Conan?
I’m guessing Home is in relation to not just Sansa and Dany, but also Jaime and Myrcella making it home. I doubt we’ll get much Lannister action in episode 1 if Castle Black/Arya/Dany are the focus.
Gotta love Sophie Turner…
This is good stuff. As a result, I am now able to reveal the titles for the rest of the episodes:
6.04 – Death
6.05 – Max Von Sydow Is Awesome
6.06 – Nobody Dies In This One
6.07 – Deus Ex Direwolf
6.08 – F*ck it, We Recast the Mountain Again
6.09 – So Far North Even the White Walkers Are Cold
6.10 – Long-Term Parking
Clob,
Is it only 8 minutes?
I taped the show for that?? I hate when that happens!
The more I look at the scene the more I’m convinced Bran will see a vision of young Jaime slaying the Mad King. Which would make sense to throw into an episode titled “Oathbreaker”. I also thought it could be someone, perhaps Jaime or Lancel even, killing zombie Mountain in the throne room. Seems to be a very large shadow being cast. Damnit, is it the 24th yet??? This wait is killing me! 😀
If that. He brought Kevin out around 10:21 (air time) and had him in the main chair until 10:42. It went to commercials and brought her out after until about 10:51. I kept looking at the clock because I couldn’t believe how long he kept Kevin up there.
Jack Bauer 24,
They showed the clip that was released yesterday of Theon and Sansa escaping Winterfell in the woods.
Clob,
That’s so lame 😐
12 days! Thursday we’ll be starting Season 5 of Memory Lane and Friday the countdown will be single digits!
LMFAO!!!! Touché! ???
Home and Oathbreaker are correct. They seem like titles D&D would give to these episodes.
Oathbreaker would show Bran seeing the dead of the Mad King, and also Jon leaving the Night’s Watch
Newbietothegame,
Greatjon of Slumber,
Man, who do u know at HBO?!
I don’t think it would be cool. I like original fun titles. If people would have guessed titles right it would be episode titles like “The Mountain and the Viper”, the “Lion and the Rose”, “the Gift”. They’re not really fun titles.
Newbietothegame,
No doubt
Making the 8,
Theon getting back to Pike.
Yep! We’ll see if he breaks it up in similar fashion this evening with John Bradley. His main is Aaron Paul. Sure, it is Jesse Pinkman, “bitch,” but Breaking Bad has been done for three years. I’m more interested in Pinkman than Nealon at least.
No way those are the titles…just seems boring. Here’s my list of character arcs I’m looking forward to the most in order:
1. Jon
2. Sansa
3. Bran
4. Davos
5. Cersei
6. Tyrion
7. All Greyjoys
8. High Sparrow
9. Arya
10. Jaime
11. Sam and Gilly
12. Boltons
13. Tyrells
14. Dorne
15. Rickon and Osha
16. Dany
BTW, please list yours as well!
On topic: The kid’s charming (refering to Sophie, that is). I find it endearing that she acts the ‘grown up’, but then talks about being afraid that Gosling is going to see the pic of her swooning over him. It’s a very normalizing moment. Makes her relatable. Side note, as a Sansa/Tyrion “shipper” I’m gitty that she refers to herself as his loyal wife. 😉
As far as the episode titles, I’m suprised more people didn’t immediately think of Jaime. I know I did. Especially as we enter a season that gives every indication that he will break his oaths to the Kingsguard (as we see him in Lannister armor), and possibly give up all his ‘honor’ for the sake of advancing the Lannister cause. His march towards “fuck all” could also be the reason Brienne looks disappointed in that quick shot of her and Podrick in Riverun. As a side, I think it’s going to take Brienne to remind Jaime of who he truly is, and break off his obsession with Cersei once and for all. Brienne has always been a character that makes Jaime a better person and I think that effect will be highlighted this season.
Aryamad,
The shadow scene is Jaime killing the Mad King.
TFT,
I think I saw a few oathkeepers but no oathbreakers
1. Sansa
2. Arya
3. Ramsay
4. Jaime
5. Cersei
6. Brienne
7. Melissadre
8. Bran
9. Daenerys
10. White Walkers
11. Tyrion
12. Theon/House Greyjoy
13. Jon
14. Davos
15. House Tyrell
Uh….I’m sure I’m forgetting some, and the order (outside of the top 10) will probably change, but that’s mine so far.
richarddecredico,
Thats what I think too!!! There’s even a shadow of the Iron throne opposite the person in the cloak
RosanaZugey,
1. Ghost
2. Shaggydog
3. Summer
4. Nymeria
Lol. The only storylines that ultimately matter. 😉
?????,
1. Jon (and by extension everyone who is at the Wall: Davos, Tormund, Mel…)
2. Bran (and everyone and every thing beyond the Wall: Bloodraven, Meera, WW…)
3. Cersei and The Mountain
4. Sansa (It depends on where she escapes to. If she’s with Jon, Davos and the Northern lords, the storyline is in my top 3. If she’s with LF again, then no thanks.)
5. Brienne and Pod
4. Riverrun (Freys & Tullys and maybe Jaime if he decides he wants to be interesting again)
5. Arya and Jaqen
6. Yara
7. Rickon (and his two minutes of screentime)
The other arcs seem pretty obvious, so I’m not that invested.
RosanaZugey,
1.Sansa
2.Bran
3.Davos
4.Bloodraven
5.Jaime
6.Cersie
7.Brienne
8.Whitewalkers
9.Varys and Tyrion (think they’re going to spend a lot of time together)
10. Daenrys
11.Jon
12.Arya
13.Whitewalker
14.Rickon (if he even appears)
15.Ramsay
I put jon a little back… don’t want to get hype so much about his revival… and honestly i kinda feel bored of him now because of all the “is jon snow dead question”.
This is perfect.
?????,
1. Jon and Davos
2. Sansa
3. Jaime
4. Cersei
5. Bran
6. Euron/ Theon/ Yara
7. Arya
8. Dany
9. Tyrion
10. Brienne
11. Sam
Isn’t it obvious that the title, Oathbreaker, means that LSH is going to be showing up? I believe in the books that when LSH captures Brienne she asks her what the name of her sword is. Brienne says “Oathkeeper” but LSH isn’t having it and says it should be “Oathbreaker” for her treachery. So this episode is going to be Brienne getting captured by LSH. Hype.
Ugh. Right? Just get his res over with so we can move on. Tired of this Jon Snow alive/dead nonsense.
Emilia, Maisie, Sophie, Lena, Nathalie and Hannah filmed an interview with Good Morning, America today:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEErIkmJlzg/?taken-by=jessepalmerabc
The Pot,
No, just..no.
Clob,
Have to agree. She has a huge season ahead of her, why not ask Sophie about that? Or X-Men?
Still it’s nice that this was her first primetime talk show slot, she’ll definitely be doing many more in the future.
RosanaZugey,
the longer it drags, the longer the speculation lasts – unless they burn his body in episode one and we see his ashes = hes dead forever.
Nice!
?????,
1. Sansa – seems like she is finally taking control and rallying the North to retake Winterfell
2. Daenerys – she’s out of Meereen and I’m interested in how she’ll win over the Dothraki. Hopefully her arc this season ends on her heading to Westeros.
3. Bran – he’s back! Can’t wait to see some of the glimpses into the past; also want to see if he leaves the tree (cave)
4. Jaime – looking forward to his
5. Tyrion – seems like he’s releasing Rhaegal and Viserion; also wonder how he’ll handle Meereen
6. Cersei – I choose violence! Looking forward to her vs faith
7. Davos – looks like he is going to have a huge presence this season
8. Jon – Would be higher but I’m not sure how long he’ll be corpse for. The battle in episode 9 does look awesome though.
9. Greyjoy
10. Brienne
11. Sam
12. Dorne
I’m probably missing some but that’s all I can remember right now. But honestly looking forward to every storyline this season
I’m thinking they’ll do it at the end of the second episode (or maybe even the first). I don’t think they’ll drag it out. I imagine he has things to do this season (other than be resurrected), so the sooner they “do the deed”, the sooner he can get to his other business.
I have a feeling that this would be a great interview!
Deesensfan,
Pretty sure Ramsay is a goner. Besides the spoilers and speculation, during his brief interview at the premier he mentioned that he’d like to play some nicer characters now…sounded to me like he’s moved on.
How cool will it be if Sansa gets saved from the chasing Boltons by Nymeria and her wolf pack!
Storyline hype:
1- Jon (if he comes back), Ghost, the wildlings, Davos, Mel, and the rest of the Wall.
2- Sansa – based on what I have read, and her wearing Stark gear in the trailer – I am excited for Sansa and whoever she ends up with – I think it will be some northern family who is still loyal to the Starks. I want a queen in the North.
Tied for 3rd – Bran, the Tree, and the Whitewalkers ( I feel like the whitewalkers we see are in visions, and then attacking Brans people).
Tied for 3rd – Dany/Dothraki (I expect she will be with them till at least episode 5) and Drogon.
4- Arya – I love her, she is one of my favorites, but her story is a little slow, and I don’t see how she is tying into the overall story just yet.
5- Mereen – Tyrion and Co and other dragons!!!!!!!!!! Also seems like theres a red priestess there – super intrigued.
6 – Dorne – (YES, I said it!) and the aftermath of Myrcella Murder
7- Boltons after math of prisoner escapes and hopefully their demise – I don’t care by who
8 – Brienne and Pod – if they do something useful, I hope it doesn’t drag 9 episodes like Briennes killing of Stannis.
9 – Jamie, Cersei and the kings landing stuff – I LOVE Watching Cersei on screen – but I am sooooo over the lannisters, and it seems to me Jamie is going back to the dark side.
10 – I see walder frey in the trailer – if he gets wacked, this moves to number 1 😉
11 – Greyjoys??? Sam/Gilly???
God I wish the LS trutherism would end once and for all.
Oathbreaker is a great title though.
RosanaZugey,
I REALLY hope youre right.
Sullied by Knight,
interesting… that would make me super happy LOL
?????,
1.Jon(melissandre davos the wall etc)
2.Sansa(but no littlefinger until late please)
3.Bran
4.Jamie/brienne
5.King’s Landing
6.Sam/Gilly
7.Theon/Ironborn
8.Meeren
9.Dorne
10.Dany(cause i basically i know everything that happens to her)
I am fully unsullied through and through, but got spoiled on something from the books once, by a friend, after season 3 aired… if LS is what I think it is, I really hope we never see that on the show.
My money’s on the finale being Sansa raised as Queen of the North and Davos as her Hand.
Ravyn,
Until they get some sort of confirmation that Bran isn’t coming back or is dead, she wouldn’t be claiming the throne, I don’t think. She’d be the Princess Regent or whatever.
Connor,
I wanna see this!
i forgot arya i guess she is after sam/gilly
The awesome part about “Home” is that there are so many different applications of this, I find it unlikely that only 1 happens in the episode:
Dany gets to VD
Sansa to Jon at the wall or to Bear Island (too early, but still..)
Bran to WF by dream (seeing Ned/Brandon/Lyanna fight)
Sam and Gilly to Horn Hill
Theon/Euron to Iron Islands
Jon back to his old body (if he was staying alive via Ghost)
Same with Oathbreaker. I think the main application here will be Brienne, running into Sansa in the North
Jaime- flashback of the mad king
Varys- his littlebirds get hold of a certain maester?
ToJ and the kingsguard breaking their vows?
My head is spinning!
From your lips (fingers) to The God’s (both Old and New) ears!!!
I think, at this point, I would pass out if we got Gendry back!!!
RosanaZugey,
Especially, if the episode titles are true and “Oathbreaker” does refer to him partially, then he would have to be resurrected by Ep 2, I think.
?????,
I don’t know about their arcs until the end, but current state of story:
1. Jon
2. Daenerys
3. Arya
Those three are in a real interesting predicament and crossroads in my opinion. What happens to them could have a major impact. I still have to believe that Arya’s storyline is leading somewhere, books and show.
4. Bran
5. Tyrion
6. Sansa
7. The rest
Z. Anything Dornish
Deesensfan,
Totally agree. It would be so cheap and stupid to include Stoneheart in the show, and it would only appeal to the fantasy fans, everyone else would see it as cheap
Sean C.,
More focus on the strength of the female cast… Cool! Gwendoline Christie is missing in a lot of these promotions though.
TBH, I don’t give a flying fuck (or a monkey’s toss) at what the titles of the S6 episodes will be… Just bring it on in 12 days time 😉
The best bits will be when we see the Sand Snakes back in action again ???
Hezus,
Not all fantasy fans. I’m a fantasy fan, but completely despise that character and all that it represents.
The only people that character would appeal would be only the hardcore purists.
i believe dany can be applied to oath breaker as well since she did not join the Dosh khaleen once drogo died
For sure. Methinks
**Wasn’t sure if I had to put spoiler coding over speculation, but its better to be safe than careless.
ghost of winterfell,
She’s filming Top of the Lake Season 2 in Australia right now, so she’s not available.
RosanaZugey,
Deesensfan,
Preaty much the same here.
But I would put the Greyjoy story a bit higher, tied with Dorne perhaps.
The characters there, especially the new ones are promising, if the writers change a bit from the books.
This story doesn’t need anywhere near the stream-lining Dorne needed. What it needs is more scenes with the characters that we barely saw in the books.
Like Oberyn got
So i’m hoping it’s good. But not really holding my breath.
And I’m not a hardcore purist (half the time I can’t even remember what’s gone on in the books), but would like (or rather, would have liked) to see that storyline done on the show. It was done so brilliantly in the book and didn’t come across as ‘cheap’ at all. However, sadly I think they’ve left it too long now and it would never work if they brought that character into the current story. To me it will go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities in the TV show.
One thing that the character does represent, however, is revenge on the Freys and very close to the top of my hype list for S6 is wanting to see how the show will make this happen. Bringing Walder Frey back into it, sending Brienne to the Riverlands and the alleged return of the Blackfish makes me convinced that the late Lord Frey will finally get his this season. I personally can’t wait 🙂
?????,
I’m gonna go geographically because it somehow fits with my preferd storylines:
1.) Everything north of The Neck
2.) Everything in the Riverlands (incl. Iron Islands)
3.) Everything south of the Riverlands (incl. Sam in Oldtown and Horn Hill)
4.) Everything Essos (I do love Essos, it just happens to be last on the list 🙂 )
Extra shoutout:
-Brienne facing Jaime during the siege of Riverrun and the subsequent fallout
-Braavosi theater troupe
-the Dosh Khaleen!
I don’t think…
I hope the season finale is a flashback of Oberyn taking Obara to court 😛
Not Today,
Yeah I may have been a bit too harsh….direct…? Can’t think of a fitting word.
But I stand by what I said on her character. To me she represents everything wrong with Martin’s writing in the 2 last books.
The title “Home” always reminds me of the Peacock family in the X-Files episode of the same name (S04E02), one of the most disturbing episodes I’ve ever seen.
RosanaZugey,
I’m not sure what to make of Emilia’s outfit – it looks like The Sound of Music meets the St. Pauli girl, who has a fetish for pink. Not crazy about the hairstyle either.
The others all look great. Really like the color of Maisie’s dress and her shoes.
Lord Parramandas,
Hahaha…and, well, you know, we do have that element of incest!
I was thinking, last night, does anyone have any ideas of a cold-open for the season?
I would make sense, I think, if it started with one of Bran’s visions.
I’m sooo hyped to see Davos and Sansa interact with the Mormonts, and for the Northern components to be fleshed out more. For the big battle to really be as climactic as it should be, we need to see all machinations before.
Yeah, and it’s funny to me because my last name is Peacock ahaahahah
Mihnea,
Yeah, I guess you have some more knowledge about what to expect for the Greyjoy story, as I hear that’s one of the things from book 5 that was not included in the show yet. So as an unsullied, I am expecting a Theon vs Balon vs Yara (though I love Yara)… but I have been disappointed (i.e. bored) with the Greyjoy family stuff.
So I am expecting Theon to head home, be rejected once again by Balon, and I don’t know some conflict with Yara and Theon. zzzzzzz
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
My two predictions are opening with a bran vision, or with the same (similar opening) used in the first trailer, with the camera zooming into my beloved Jon’s body :'(
darkdadi,
You got bored with a character because of media buzz? lol
Deesensfan,
I’m not going to say anything more. Just that I expect you will like Euron, (he’s in both trailers!)
Deesensfan,
Ah – may not be what you expect at all…
Cersei’s Brain,
So it may supprise us all. 😛
So do we think GRRM is in the zone right now pumping out chapters or just staying out of the limelight because the show has taken over and he’s kind of bummed out?
I just haven’t read much about or from him for a while…
Also, would it be worse if Jon stayed dead or if he got rezzed and died fighting Ramsay in like episode 9 of this year? Even if Ramsay died too and Sansa took back the North?
Who would the 3rd head be then?
rhymeswithweak,
I think WOW will be released either this decenber or january 2017.
It’s ADOS that I have 0 hope of ever seeing.
rhymeswithweak,
whos the second?
Mihnea,
I didn’t even notice?? haha!
Cersei’s Brain,
Ouu *intrigue*
Mihnea,
I will start reading the books once WOW is released, which is very exciting for me!
Sansa is going to end up back with Littlefinger and enter Snowbowl with him and the Valemen. That’s pretty much her book arc. She’s in the Eyrie, planning to take back Winterfell with Petyr and the Vale army. Even if she didn’t do that in the show, she wouldn’t be going around rallying the Northern Houses in person. She is not going to Bear Island.
Not like I actually know but foreshadowing in both the books and show (and various fan theories) would suggest:
Apart from the big question (to be or not to be, Jon Snow), the arc with more hype as far as I am concerned is Sansa’s. And Davos’. So there you have my top 3. On the bottom 3, there are the Greyjoys, Dorne and maybe the Tullys.
In my opinion, the non-reader, like yours truly, cannot really connect to those three.
I’m of the opinion that
exists due to writers block…and is not the 3rd head.
Yes, there is a possibility but this is a twist I would really dislike.
If somehow the mountain raped and murdered Elia but didn’t murder her children (because they both got swapped for other kids?) then you could really stretch and say that the dragon riders will be almost like those of old…almost like Aegon and his sisters. Two of three would have the same name as the last time.
Is it April 24th yet?
Lord Parramandas,
Agree. I was never a fan of that theory.
A while back I was thinking the ToJ scene would make a decent cold open that rolled into/finished with the reintroduction of Bran.
I’d also thought they could start exactly where they finished last season on Jon’s face… That’s if they’re doing something “interesting” however.
Clob,
well we know his body is going to be moved from the snow to inside somewhere…. so if anything interesting happens with him, itll be after his body is discovered :'(
Can someone explain this? The title on the video is episode 3, not 2
I am glad i wasnt the only one annoyed with that! Kevin Nealon?! Seriously?? But these talkshows should be trying to maximize ratings right? No one is going to tune in for that guy. Same with Liam last week BTW and Pee Wee Herman. I mean what year is it?? Paul is at least a major star… Sophie should have had at least as long as the ‘main guest’ Other than that it was a fun interview. But i would have preferred a longer interview with more depth…
RosanaZugey,
I will just give my top 5:
1 and 2 tied: Daenerys & Dothraki; Tyrion & Meereen
3. Greyjoy storyline with all Greyjoy characters
4. Winterfell and the end of the Boltons
5. Sam, Gilly, Tarlys, and Oldtown
Greyjoys and Oldtown are so high on my list because I LOVE new worlds, people, cities on GoT.
rhymeswithweak,
The Last Dragon already has three heads and they call her as their mother
<a href="http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/6c/MKomarck_DaenerysTheUnburnt.jpg/280px-MKomarck_DaenerysTheUnburnt.jpg
phantomstrife,
Hmm. There are a few things that make me doubt that she goes back to the Vale.
First, filmimg news. The Eyrie set has been dismantled, then the absence of any casting for Vale lords or notable returns apart from Yohn Royce. With whom would she interact?
Then from a storytelling standpoint:
By rallying or taking part in the rally of the Northern Lords (in contrast to rallying the Vale Lords in the books) Sansa is at the very heart of the “Taking back Winterfell”-storyline. She has to convince “her” people, come to terms with her northern heritage by interacting with them IN her home country. It would be much more rewarding than convincing the Vale lords to fight for her (LF planned to take the Vale army north anyway, so I guess there won’t be that much rallying needed).
I know her biggest nemesis is probably Littlefinger, but I think this relationship will be further explored in S7. Which is interesting, because we’ll have a Sansa that wasn’t with him for an entire season. Which means that there are many things he does not know for a change.
Pilou is going to kill it as Euron. Cannot wait. Euron is my most anticipating character this year.
Agreed. One of the reasons I loved Dorne. New characters and beautiful new locations and costumes are always welcome.
rhymeswithweak,
The Last Dragon already has three heads and they call her as their motherhttp://http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/6c/MKomarck_DaenerysTheUnburnt.jpg/280px-MKomarck_DaenerysTheUnburnt.jpg
i dont know why my link is not working.
Toby,
Kevin Nealon has done some good stuff…but you’d think Sophie would be the bigger draw now. I will say that there could be other factors in their decision. Some GOT actors have been leading guests before. Maybe there was a timing issue…who know what goes on backstage.
The only problem I had was Kevin trying to steal some of Sophie’s time.
Being an X-men person and owner of the uncanny x-men Dark Phoenix Saga comic book I will say Jean matters to me and I hope Sophie does well. I loved Famke Janssen…unfortunately they made Last Stand completely suck!
Wylie,
She is NOT going back to the Vale, she will encounter Littlefinger with the Valemen somewhere in the North, along the Kingsroad perhaps. It was set up that Petyr would be marching with the Valemen on the Boltons.
Have you read the reddit spoilers about the Bastardbowl? They’re in line with what the trailer shows.
And really D+D have the opportunity to get her arc back to what it may be in TWOW.
Deesensfan,
9 – Jamie, Cersei and the kings landing stuff – I LOVE Watching Cersei on screen – but I am sooooo over the lannisters, and it seems to me Jamie is going back to the dark side
That … someone suggested that Jamie may have a more sudden enlightenment on the show than his more gradual one in the books (after all his talk with Tyrion did not include mentions of Tysha or Lancel, Osmund Kettleback or Moon Boy). It may depend on why he ends up in the Riverlands. His discussion with the HS could be interesting.
phantomstrife,
I agree with that. And I think I misread your comment.
But I think they’ll only meet up just before the Battle, or maybe even during that episode. Not before.
As I wrote above, if she ends up in a position of leadership in the end, she’ll most probably have earned it by convincing the Northmen and women, “her own” people, to fight, not the Vale.
I thought the same, but it has already been confirmed it starts with JS. Of course, it could be part of a vision and Bran wakes up before the opening credits.
I think that it would be great if Home referred to Jon’s coming back to life. I’m sure it will also touch on Sansa and hopefully Sam in some way. Maybe he just talks about it rather than arriving there. I like the idea of Arya being part of this through Nymeria, though I’m less confident we will see that. I have really missed her warging dreams in the show.
I agree with the Oathbreaker theories: Jon, maybe Brienne and hopefully Jaime via flashback. Or (and I’m just spitballing) it could refer to Cersei’s infidelity to Jaime. I guess it wouldn’t refer to her breaking her promise to HS, since I’ve heard that most of the initial trailer (i.e. “I choose violence”) was from the first episode.
It is hard to theorize when there is no book material.
Dragonbringer: Do you mean that Sansa won’t be in bear island on the show or in the books? While there probably is more than one chandelier in the North, I feel pretty confident she will go there in the show. I hope so! I love this arc that she seems to have set out for her this season. Redemption time!
Well, at least I can tell you that per the books and per the spoilers that we have and per what’s being shown in the trailers, that’s probably NOT what is going to happen…Well, one of them is, but the other 2, probably not so much?
rhymeswithweak,
I just watched all of the X-Men for the first time – in preparation for the Apocalypse coming out in May
They ruined some of those movies, I must say I was a bit disappointed after the Last Stand…. but I continued watching, and Days of Future past was so good, I am excited for the one coming, and I am soooooooooo excited to see Sophie as Jean Grey
However, I am so confused as to the timing (story timing) of these movies, and the timing of the new one.
George,
well that is good to hear then 🙂
Danys storyline is actually the one I am least excited about…
rhymeswithweak,
I’ve heard that GRRM has stated that there will be a second The Dance of the Dragons:
Hi, short question. Will we find out more about the Dance of the Dragons in future books?
GRRM: The first dance or the second?
The second will be the subject of a book. The first will be mentioned from time to time, I’m sure.
Assuming he was not referring to the ADwD book title and an actual dragon v. dragon fight, someone who is opposed to Dany may end up riding a dragon …
Deesensfan,
Apocalypse is set in 1983, ten years after DOFP.
Sean C.,
Ten years after the “NEW” Future portion or the Past portion?
Edit: I guess it would be ten years after the past portion, because all the characters in the trailer for Apocalypse are “young”
I was just confused because “Home” has been announced as the title of episode 2, but a previous article on this site contained a clip about Dany going home, which I’m sure must be from the “Home” ep, but the clip was cited as belonging to episode 3. However, it has since been explained to me that that clip really was from episode 2.
So yeah, crisis averted right? xD
My prediction : Sansa doesn’t go to the Vale, and she isn’t necessarily working “with” Jon. I think they’ll only really encounter each other later in the season.
Well, we’ll see I guess. Myself, I’ve been waiting for a scene with Tyrion and Dragons for twenty freaking years, and because George is so darn slow, the show got there first, LOL. I expect the Dragons will demonstrate themselves surprisingly uninterested in killing Tyrion…At least I hope…lol.
I don’t know if people are saying this because of spoilers or because its time for something like this to happen, but I don’t know why people keep mentioning a Sansa Jon reunion.
I would LOVEEEEEEEE for that to happen, but part of me thinks its too good to be true hahaha
Also – the most unlikely Stark siblings to be reunited, as they barely had any interaction in the show.
Deesensfan,
So…xmen one I believe was being done by one studio…but then it stalled or ran out of money or something. Then it was taken over and rushed out. It did well still although its not necessarily the best movie.
X-men two is great…and I love Wolverine…but I’m also a Cyclops guy and they made him suck all throughout.
DOFP was a purposeful attempt to fix Last stand with the time travel element. The origins movies did well…the young Magneto is awesome…but I did like Sir Ian too…and everyone wanted Xavier to be Stewart.
The Wolverine is sketchy but origins-wolverine is decent…and a good introduction to Wade Wilson…there are lots of jokes in Deadpool so hopefully you watched it first. Deadpool was awesome although I wish they could have done Colossus like he should be…not always in metal.
Apocalypse is eternal…and has past and future stories…I actually didn’t even read up on how they’re doing this movie…I’m going to try going in blind. I think Cable might be in it…he time travels…he is Scott’s son…with Madelyn Prior. He is involved with Apocalypse a lot…along with Deadpool, Gambit, Angel at times…but I don’t think that’s all in play for this movie.
How do we know that the clip was from episode 2 though?
rhymeswithweak,
Thanks for your explanation 🙂
So X-men, X2 and The last stand, I understood pretty well – and for older movies they were okay. I did not like the last stand.
I really enjoyed X-men origins: wolverine – seeing his story and seeing how deadpool came along. And yes, I did watch deadpool AFTER I watched X-men origins: Wolverine. I also enjoyed first class – loved both Prof X and Magneto’s origin stories, as well as understanding why they went their separate ways.
Finally, I started “The Wolverine”, his Japan encounters, and I don’t know why, but wasn’t that into it. I did some research and read that it is kind of a stand alone movie and not important to the overall X-men story So I stopped it after watching 10 mins (I was trying to catch up in order to watch the new one in May). I read the final scene was important (setting up for DOFP so I read about that).
And then I enjoyed the DOFP one 🙂
Sansa and Davos.
https://i.imgur.com/SbiHYfW.jpg
mau,
Well done, Ser!!!
Deesensfan,
Perfect, sounds like you have it all sorted out properly!
We’ll hope Sophie rules as Jean Grey!
Well I guess technically it’s still not a sure thing, but supposedly James Hibberd (I think he’s a big media journalist) says it is.
TFT,
To me Oathbreaker is: Jamie,Brienne and Jon; but I also want to throw in a long-shot: Darion the NW singer ( or facsimile ) Arya got to piss people off we know.
So this is a bit off topic, and was probably discussed on yesterday’s thread, but I didn’t have it in me to catch up on 800 comments last night and some of you are discussing this clip from the trailer, so….
The prospect of Bran seeing a flashback of the kingslayer earning his nick has got me thinking- finally a wolf may see the truth of intent in the young lion’s actions. Would be interesting if Bran(!) should, knowing the truth, offer some forgiveness to Jaime in light of this… and perhaps be the one who can broker an arrangement between the Lannisters and other armies for the war to come… anybody else out there think Jaime will fight in the long night as an ally to the remaining Starks (as well as the rest of humanity)… (or is everyone still certain he will leave the world with his twisted sister, as a player in her prophesied death?… I am not convinced of this)
https://twitter.com/SophieTurnerCom/status/719973488870559744
Sophie at the GoT press conference.
I’m a huge X-Men fan. Probably my favourite in the Marvel universe. Apocalypse has been overshadowed by other comic book juggernauts this year but I think it’ll be a sleeper hit, especially after the excellent DOFP. Whilst some Fox’s choices have been divisive, Brian Singer hasn’t actually made a bad X-Men film. I have faith.
The timeline is a bit confusing. For me I’m curious to see how the young cast, Sophie as Jean amongst them, will go forward in future X-Men films. This film is set in 1983, Deadpool is present time, will they time travel? I suspect they’ll keep the younger cast on, I think they’ve signed multi-picture deals right?
So hyped, two of my favourite franchises, GoT and X-Men in the space of a month!!!
Shaz,
I don’t believe Deadpool will be in this movie? Also stoked, btw. I think the last two xmen films have been really good.
Yeah, I do. I’ve not been quiet about the fact that I think Jaime and Cersei are definitely NOT destined to leave this world together. Jaime’s role is far bigger, pushing into the endgame of the story I believe, and those with tunnel-vision for only Jaime/valonqar solutions are likely missing a lot of the longterm set-up with him. I suspect that when Jaime leaves KL in Season 6, it might even be the last time he ever sees Cersei.
But yeah, I’m intrigued about the shadowed Jaime/Aerys flashback as well (and I think that’s clearly what it is). I suspect as you said it will be an interesting tidbit for Bran to learn about.
Sister Kisser,
Yasssss! Glad to hear it!
I meant after Apoc, if it’s a success, how they proceed in merging Deadpool with the young X-Men team in future films. It would have to be time travel or maybe they co-exist as past and present films. So many questions!
RosanaZugey,
I wish there could be a happy-ending for those two couples… I like them to be couples, first of all 😉
Shaz,
You are right about Singer…he wasn’t involved with Last Stand or The Wolverine I don’t think.
Ditto about the two amazing franchises hype!
Shaz,
Wooooohoo
Deesensfan,
Believe me, when TWOW is published it will be exciting for all of us! But I guess, after having finished reading it, it would be frustrating worrying about ADOS.
https://twitter.com/EW/status/719983702214885378
Finn says Season 6 is “without a doubt the most epic.”
Wow. She’s purdy.
I can’t say there are stories which don’t interest me. In the books I didn’t like the Ironborn (except for Asha), Dorne and Meereen. But I like Yara and, even if I hated Theon in season 2, I admire Alfie a lot. Pedro was great, Alexander seemed interesting, with great potential of developing an interesting character, so I’m curious to see what will happen. I am most excited about the North, everything connected to the Starks, geeting explanations about the WW and Melisandre’s god. As Tyrion, Brienne and Jaime are my favourite characters, I want to see them a lot. And I want direwolves and dragons, wargs and dragonriders.
dragonbringer,
too many https
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/6c/MKomarck_DaenerysTheUnburnt.jpg/280px-MKomarck_DaenerysTheUnburnt.jpg
Shaz,
I think there is a greater probability Jaime will end up alongside the Starks, if you will, than there is he will end up any sort of “dutiful” Lannister.
Regarding Sansa, I’ve always felt like the showrunners decided to send her North because that’s where she ends up in the books. I just think they sped that part up, because they didn’t want her to have a season off, like Bran, and they didn’t want to have her dicking around the Vale for the entire season, so off to Winterfell they sent her. I know, the show-runners also said they really liked the
. Yes, I know some will vehemently disagree with me on that.
Shy Lady Dragon,
I think we should start to accept that ADOS won’t happen 🙁
Sean C.,
No idea how Davos gets there though.
Deesensfan,
You’re the voice of reason, but I can’t accept it yet. Maybe in 5 years I’ll be prepared to accept it 🙂
Sister Kisser,
I’m not convinced he’s the
though he could be one of many, I sometimes think he could wind up being the 1000th LC of the NW if it isn’t Jon.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I wish Jaime will end up along with the Starks, but I fear for his life. But I’m sure he will leave Cersei.
On top of Oathkeeper being the name of Brienne’s sword, it was also an episode title: Season 4, Episode 4. I fully expected the beautiful symmetry of an Oathbreaker episode title, and I may have even made that one of my Season 6 titles, but I didn’t expect it so soon. I’m not sure it could refer to Brienne’s last oath to LSH if the title is for Episode 3.
Wylie,
I didn’t do that. I found it. 😀
Shy Lady Dragon,
I fear for his life, too, but if he goes out, it will be with honor, I think.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed he nabs the other sword forged from Ice before he heads out of KL.
Deesensfan,
It’s funny…a few years ago I had a few people trying to discourage me from reading the books. They were convinced they would never be finished, and they didn’t want me to have the frustration. I still have hopes the books will be finished, but even if they aren’t, at least we’ll know from the show how the story ends. 🙂
Brandon Sanderson could probably finish it for him in a year.
Why would the Starks accept the service of a 40 year old 1 handed man who crippled Bran, tried murdering their dad, murdered their very close family friend (Jory), fought against and tried murdering Robb? Why?
Bearded Onion,
That’s a very, very good question. I think it will be beyond a tough sell, but I think it could happen. Maybe that’s what I think just because that’s what I want, but I do think it is possible. If it happens, I think Brienne would play a key role in it.
I think this is a new Sophie Turner interview (apologies if it’s not):
http://tvline.com/2016/04/12/sophie-turner-game-of-thrones-season-6-spoilers-sansa/
IMHO, if there is truly a Jaime/Mad King flashback, I have to wonder to what purpose? There is no reason to waste precious screen time only to confirm what everyone knows…..unless…it didn’t happen the way Jamie said or for why he gave as the reason?
Bran simply learning he may have supposedly done it to save Kings Landing from a wild fire inferno wouldn’t change the story in any appreciable way, nor mitigate Jamie’s other sins/crimes.
Perplexing.
Suggested title for Episode 6.06 (including the Tower of Joy flashback):
“Blood of the Dragon”
which refers to:
– Lyanna Stark dying in her own blood at the Tower of Joy, giving birth to Rhaegar’s child. Also, her baby = Jon = his Targaryen bloodline confirmed.
– Something going on with Dany and the Dothraki (Drogon wrecking havoc, anyone?)
– Something going on with Tyrion and the other dragons.
(Just my educated guess)
I also really like “The Knights of Summer” as an episode title, though I still have to think on how and why xD
From speculation, Jon may be in all of the Davos scenes from the trailer and from the looks of it, it looks like Davos is in the same room as Sansa with the House Mormont banners, Jon might be there with Davos after he is rezzed (obviously)
Out of curiosity, how did this rumor get started? Was there something reported being filmed along these lines?
I would be really surprised if there is one, and largely for just this reason.
in the new trailer there’s a shot of a two shadows in the throne room, the shadows look like Jaimie stabbing the Mad King in the back.
Here’s the photo. Looks like Jaimies shadow and the shadow of the Mad King judging by the outline of the shadow, looks like hes wearing a crown with long hair coming down the sides. You can even see the Iron Thrones shadow as well.
https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Shadows.png
heh, Sanderson might not want to do that again! Regardless GRRM has said that if he does not live to finish it (and I am in the camp that has given up on this happening), then the show is what we will get.
Like all of the episode titles, it will refer to multiple things. This could be one of them.
Wimsey,
I think it’s solely based on that “shadow play” from the second trailer… No filming news hinting at a flashback scene including the stabbing of Aerys IIRC.
Kingsmoot isn’t that early.
Love Sophie & great interview. I only wish it was a bit longer though.
Superexcited for her storyline this year. “Bear Island knows no king but the King in the north,whose name is Stark” 😉 Starks are back ya’ll!!
Connor,
The person getting stabbed is huge. Was the Mad King described as such? (have not read the books). Looks like the Frankenmountain with his spiky helmet to me, going to his knees while being stabbed in the back. Ehh, we shall see.
If Davos and Sansa are rallying Northern support, what is Jon doing?
lol off-topic but this is funny. I just got suspended for the umpteenth time from westeros.org (or hell maybe even banned) and as always they target me only because I’m not a rabid rant&raver (those can say whatever they want with impunity there). But I like to get under the skin of those assholes, and they can’t keep me away.
Jack Bauer 24,
He’s right there with them. Surely with Davos.
Jack Bauer 24,
Having a hot chocolate and a warm bath. He’s deserved it.
Connor,
I suspect that is the Mountain fighting Sparrows. Whomever is getting stabbed (at) is carrying a large shield and a large individual himself. There does not seem to be any evidence of long hair, either.
However, as it is shadows, all we can say is that two bipedal hominids (probably males, but possibly not) are are fighting each other. One seems to have momentarily lost his (or her) weapon, albeit not his (or her) shield. It looks like it is happening in front of the Iron Throne: but note that the big guy (or girl) is moving toward the throne, not away from it.
First of all, I think it is pretty strongly likely that it’s Jaime and Aerys’ shadow. As mentioned, you can even see the Iron Throne in the background, and it’s someone with a crown turning away from someone else who stabs them in the back. In the throne room. Secondly, because the show doesn’t do flashbacks ordinarily, but seems to have developed a specific mechanism for seeing said flashbacks this season (Bran, werewood network), I think it’s also a pretty good estimation that Bran sees this, and/or that Bloodraven shows it to him.
Lol. People tend to be so uncreative about Jaime’s storyline. It’s when one stops shoehorning him into the valonqar role and/or assuming that he’s going to die with Cersei that his story options really get interesting. Can no one even begin to develop a modicum of a theory about why Bran might be shown a flashback of Jaime and the Mad King aside from, “Well that would be pointless so it must be wrong?” Pity, because speccing wild and crazy theories seems to be what this fandom does best, and I’m kind of interested to hear thoughts on this one.
Jack Bauer 24,
That’s the mystery I guess. I don’t see Jon going to Bear Island with Sansa and Davos. Like what’s the point? I just can’t place what Jon is supposed to be doing until episode 9. Is he just going to be gathering support? Sounds rather boring if he is.
Well then Sansa and Davos have boring arcs this season because it seems that’s what they’re doing.
And again, Davos and Sansa are not on Bear Isle.
Possibly not even in the same room. I doubt there’s only one chandelier like that in all of Westeros.
Jon might be a bit of a Karl Rove insofar as trying to raise the North is concerned.
I am curious to see how Davos’ claims about the White Walkers returning will be met. Given everything that they have set up on the show, it should be met with skepticism (to put it mildly): but in many ways, he is the best possible messenger. Melisandre would not be taken seriously given her alien religion and the fact that she’s’ a woman. Jon would not be taken seriously given his treason and his bastard status. (The letters that Jon got in the last episode showed that they did not take his ravens seriously at all: and that was before Jon let the Wildlings into Westeros.) I doubt that Davos is going to convince anybody: but they might take pause for just a moment longer.
Newbietothegame,
Have my vote for Frankenmountain. A flashback to Aerys seems a bit unnecessary at this point…
Also in regards of mau‘s super cool find which he posted above and that puts Sansa most likely at Bear Island at some point of time, wouldn’t Lyanna Mormont’s introduction and the explanation of after whom she’s named be a neat way of showing the strong bond between the two Houses while at the same time “preparing” us for the ToJ…
Maybe Oathbreaker is about Jon Umber since he was called an Oathbreaker
How would “shoehorning” Jaime into the Valonqar role have any bearing on whether they would show a flashback to his act of regicide?
But as for his story options, they really are limited. Jaime did not become a protagonist until too late in the over-arching tale to be able to carry to much of the weight. I suspect that he’ll play an important part, but, ultimately, it will be more for plot than for story.
One thing’s for sure, no Northerner is going to listen and agree to do as Davos preaches. He has no authority, he is a known smuggler, a southerner and an ally to the late Stannis. He’s an advisor, a follower, just like Liam has said. He will follow someone he deems worthy and help that person convince the Lords to rally against the Boltons and WWs. ‘Davos is drawn to Jon’, ‘he respects his leadership’. Liam’s own words. It’s pretty clear he’s about to become Jon’s ‘shadow’.
Of course they wouldn’t show Jon in the trailers for obvious reasons, so instead they focus on Davos. This doesn’t mean Jon isn’t somewhere next to him and the people Davos is talking to.
That speech of his about dead coming sounds more like it’s after the big battle. And it’s likely inside Winterfell.
Because a lot of people think it’s his only role left in this story, therefore anything (like a flashback seen by Bran, for instance) that doesn’t have an immediate apparent connection to fulfilling that final role can’t be a thing that is happening because it would be extraneous and pointless. That’s the argument I’ve seen from some people (not everyone, some), so that’s what I meant by what I said.
Well, one can’t say for sure. Still, I really like this neat little bit of detective work
https://i.imgur.com/SbiHYfW.jpg
@mau: I just can’t get enough of it 🙂
This, right there. What would be the purpose, we heard the story on the show? What possibly could be the need to have Bran see it in a vision? Unless the Mad King told Jaime something prior to his death that would have any bearing on the arc of one of the main …wait for it…protagonists. It is a waste of airtime. Still sticking with Frankenmountain.
kit_hepburn,
I give permission for you to dance around singing “I told you so” if these truly will be the Kingslayer and the Mad King, LOL!!
In my eyes, in terms of the Lannisters, and perhaps even entire season, Season 4 was very much the “Tyrion”-season, while Season 5 was the “Cersei”-season. With everything going down in KL, and then Riverrun being a big set-piece towards the conclusion and also Brienne being there, I have this feeling that to me, Season 6 will be Jaime’s season. Don’t get me wrong if anything, I’m very, very intrigued by what Cersei will do once Jaime has left King’s Landing. She going fully mental, but how far is she allowed to take that madness until somebody puts a stop to it? Who the heck could be able to stop FrankenMountain? Well, I can think of one.. Woof..
So my Top5 Most Anticipated Storylines for S6 are:
– The Lannister Twins. I have a good idea of what happens, but not Ep8 and onwards.
– The Greyjoys. Between Theon, Euron and Yara, it’s going to go mental.
– Meereen. How much will it descend into chaos? I believe we haven’t seen half of it yet.
– Beyond the Wall. Bran is back, and I’m pretty sure that everything he’ll see will be mint. And I’m sure there will be more to it than just the visions.
– Arya. Will. She. Warg. Crosscontinentally?
Why did I not mention the North? Well, with that Reddit-spoiler probably being proven to be mostly correct (with the new trailer giving visual evidence), we can almost track and point what’s going to happen, it’s just the logistical specifics that are uncertain, but knowing A and being spoiled for D, with trailers showing glimpses of B and C, it’s pretty easy to imagine what’s going to happen. E is still an unknown though. I wish I hadn’t seen the Reddit-spoiler.
Because the Long Night is coming, and the dead come with it.
kit_hepburn,
Well, ok, I could give it a try. The reason why it feels unnecessary for me at this point, is that it’s been talked about it so often and we all know what happened. Now, one reason to show the flashback could be that Jaime lied in his recounting of the event or that there is more to it that could influence the story this year. But I admit that I fail to see what that “more” could be…
But as I said above. I’m leaning more towards someone trying to kill the Mountain (even if the iconography is in favour for Jaime/Aerys).
Well, that almost certainly will be his final role: but my bet is that he’ll do a few other things before it is done, at least insofar as the plot is concerned. (As we do not know what the remaining story is (or stories are, if Winter & Spring are two stories instead of two parts to one story) going to be, it is tough to guess how he might fit into it. This year’s story might be about the self-compromises necessary to take on leadership roles: and Jaime is not obviously well-suited for that. However, although that’s the most likely idea given the scant information, the information are really, really scant!
Lol, thanks! I might take you up on that. 😉
In any case, I was just interested in hearing theories as to why such a flashback would be included and not just dismissals of why it couldn’t BE such a flashback. I get why people think it’s not, now I’d like to hear some ideas about what the purpose/context might be if it was! 🙂
ETA: The reason I think it’s not the Mountain, or anything else traditional in the present day, is also because of how it’s filmed. It’s not like the show to depict an act of violence like that, stylistically with shadow silhouettes. It would fit that they are trying to show Jaime and the Mad King without having to over-dramatize it, cast actors for young Jaime, young Aerys, etc. It just seems like it would be a dream because of how it’s filmed, you know?
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1 Bran
2 Northern Story
3 Dany/Dothroki
4 Merreen
5 Kings Landing
6 River Run
Here’s my idea which I posted on this site many months ago:
Season 6 will start with the usual previously-on clips. Then it shows the pan in of Jon’s body as shown in the trailer. It zooms in to show him bleeding out, as he was in the last scene in S5. However, it continues for a few seconds longer than last season and Jon’s eyes go “warg”, i.e., he wargs into Ghost, perhaps he even whispers “Ghost”. Cut immediately to a shot of Ghost then the opening credits. It would really start the season off with a WTF moment. How he then gets back into his body is anybody’s guess, but it will happen quickly and Mel will be involved.
There has been no report about any set or Castle that could stand in for Bear Isle or Mormont’s House, and Sophie was only sighted in a few places when filming. Mostly near Winterfell/Riverlands sets. Same with Liam, mostly The Wall and Saintfield I think.
We are not getting Bear Isle.
It’s a direwolf behind Davos, not a bear.
phantomstrife,
Sansa is not just rallying support. She first has to finish escaping Winterfell. Possibly meeting Brienne. Then getting to safety. Then plotting her revenge. THEN gathering support. Jon will lay dead for how long before he’s resurrected? Then after that all he seems to do is plan for the battle?
And if it’s not Bear Island, then where is it? Some other hall that has a bunch of Mormont sigils hanging on the wall? They showed the letter last season from Lyanna Mormont for a reason.
They don’t need some castle to stand in for Bear Island. All they need is a set, most likely built at the paint hall. It’s not like they NEED to do exterior shooting.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
That’s true, at least we will have an ending
I’ve been on the fence about reading them, but they have been highly recommended as good reads so I’ll only read them if we get a book 6. I have them all! I’ve had them for a few years now.
Connor,
I would love that
phantomstrife,
Do you have a suggestion where Davos is in that shot with only the Mormont’s crests on the wall? I thought it could be Winterfell in the beginning, but then why have 3 or 4 Mormont crests in a row up the wall?
Edit: Why am I sooo slooooow…? 🙂 Basically what El-Bobbie said.
Jon probably would not be a good person to have present. The Mormants seemingly have had much less difficulty with Wildlings than have had other northerners – the Iron Born apparently have been their local source for raping, pillaging, looting, etc. – but Jon’s job was to keep the Wildlings out of Westeros, and he kind of blew that. Oh, and Jon now would be a Night Watch deserter, too: and that gets Northern Nobles feeling all sorts of “choppy” in the same way that 10% of the Westeros population gets Arya feeling all types of “stabby.”
Moreover, I would think that Davos might actually be a good spokesperson. He is brutally pragmatic. Yes, he was a smuggler: but the Mormants probably would not know that. Yes, he supported Stannis: but Stannis never really harmed the Northerners, even if he did not help them, either. And although I doubt that anybody will take tales about White Walkers seriously (if memory serves, aren’t the Mormants Andals, too?), it would get it’s most credence coming from someone of Andal descent. (Yeah, yeah, I know: but the person with three pennies has the most money if the others have 2 cents or less….)
At any rate, I suspect that Show!Davos is going to start getting a bit of Book!Davos’s Winter plotline, which presumably will be in the thick of Stark Restoration.
El-Bobbie,
So if Jon isn’t out there gaining support and interacting with characters like Sansa and Davos, then what is he doing? Lying dead all season only to wake up on episode 9? I’m sorry, but that’s boring.
It looks like a standing bear to me. If it’s a wolf, then its missing either a leg or a tail, and it’s hung on its side.
My guess is that Jon is with them. Unlike Davos, Jon was actually at Hardhome and has seen the WW. He’s probably, imo at least, going to realize that sitting in his office and sending ravens isn’t the way to go if you want to get things done. He also has lots of catching up to do with Sansa. Davos doesn’t know who Sansa is, so he doesn’t have any reason to follow her alone (especially with Liam saying how Davos sees something in Jon because of how Stannis regarded him). Of course, Jon could send Davos to accompany Sansa while he’s out gathering support by himself with other houses (but that might be too repetitive).
I might be wrong, but this is what makes the most sense to me.
We’ve never had a direwolf standing up on a crest. It’s only the direwolf’s head on all banners etc. However in this trailer as well as in the spoilery photo from the Battle for Winterfell, we can see shields and banners with the Mormont bear standing up very clearly and it fits exactly those crests in that hall.
Wimsey,
On the other hand, Jon would have Longclaw with him and that can be seen as a sign that LC Mormont thought he was worthy enough to bear (no pun intended) the family’s sword and is an honorable man.
Everyone?
You forgot the bath scene with Brienne, only Jamie, and Brienne know his version,”everyone” else only knows the result not the why for.
I’d love it if we got to see Lyanna Mormont. They could also shoehorn in a Lyanna Stark reference to get me even more hyped. 😛
Wylie,
I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe, it’s a panoramic or two cameras on separate actors at the same time and you can tell they split it and put it into two different teasers.
Jon really cannot be out among the Northerners trying to rally troops: he would be executed as a traitor and a deserter. So, he’s got to be doing something else. Jon’s story always parallels Daeny’s. Daeny, too, is going to be “living dead” for some time: as a widow of a Khal, she’s supposed to go to Khaleesi purgatory and wait around to die. We have good reason to think that Drogon is going to be critical in her “rebirth.” So, I would look for something similar here. Consider what books and shows (and, sometimes, real life) typically do with people who have been in comas: they take some time to recover themselves. I would not be surprised if much of what Jon does parallels Daeny by having him be very much “lost” and trapped in his own head. However, Ghost could be the device used to help Jon find himself again. Warging could even come into play: after all, Ghost remembers Jon.
But in that time, I am betting that “King Crow” becomes the new “King Beyond the Wall” or something like that. Mel’s visions pointed towards a monarch: she assumed that this meant the King of Westeros. However, as with so many other of the prophecies, we would get a nice ironic fulfillment if it’s a King Beyond the Wall and a Queen of Westeros.
Jon trying to claim “White Walkers” would be taken about as seriously as Bush’s evidence for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq was taken outside of the US. The “obvious” explanation is that it’s a lie being used to trie to fool people into lowering their guards around the Wildlings.
Moreover, what can Jon tell them about Hardhome that would possibly be believable? The whole horror story is utterly fantastic: and he does not have one shred of proof that it’s not all just an outrageous lie. The simple explanation is that Jon went native, and that this silly story was the best cover they could contrive. Indeed, it’s such an outrageous story that the old cliche line about “if they were lying, wouldn’t they have come up with something more believable?” would be uttered by the one nay-sayer!
Or as a sign that he stole the sword from their former lord. After all, Jon is guilty of treason and desertion: is adding theft to the list such a stretch? Indeed, might that not even implicate Jon in Lord Jeor’s murder?
phantomstrife,
All her early shoots were inside Titanic studio or the Quarry, the crew had multiple sets for different interiors shoots.
If it was Castle Black you don’t need multiple shields on the walls to show House Mormont represented,
Wylie,
I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe, it’s a panoramic or two cameras on separate actors at the same time and you can tell they split it and put it into two different teasers.
Red is such a difficult colour to pull off as a natural fine-haired blonde. Hers is a great natural looking colour – if I had a hairstylist at my beck and call, I’d definitely do mine the same way.
I haven’t been able to get into the latest X-Men. Although I love Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy, and Jennifer Lawrence, I really loved the original crew, and my girl crush, the incomparably gorgeous Famke Janssen. <3
Wimsey,
So he’s going to sit in a corner and warg into his wolf? That’s Bran’s job :P. He’s going to have to interact with characters, do things (and go places) besides sit at his desk at Castle Black.
He’s going to have to articulate what he’s going through, since it’s difficult to adapt internal monologue to TV and imo a reunion with Sansa will help both characters become closer and embrace their Starkness (if that makes sense). Jon and Sansa have both been forced to sit aside while their whole family got rekt, so I can’t see that continuing. They’re going to want to take back what’s taken from them imo.
I agree that Jon and Dany parallel each other, but nothing about Dany’s arc makes me think that she’ll be stuck in VD and unable to do anything until the very end. She’s not a submissive character anymore (and neither is Jon).
I also agree that Jon basically became king of the Wildlings, but I don’t think that convincing them to join him will take up half of the season (he’s not their prisoner, for starters). I would like to see: guerrilla warfare that goes on for most of the season to weaken the Boltons (culminating in a final confrontation) but it seems like we’re skipping that and going straight for the battle. So Jon will have to do something else in the meantime and gathering lords with Sansa and Davos makes the most sense to me.
johnny braavos,
Home also made me think of when Jon returned to Castle Black injured and Sam said to him “Hush now, you’re home.” If dying (technically) breaks his NW vow then Jon no longer has a home.
I was always afraid that if we got to book 7 it still wouldn’t be done…book 8 and 9 would be needed…like other authors of epics have done in the past.
I think book six will tell a lot….and then if the show can neatly finish up the main plot for us then that’s great.
Wimsey,
If the Mormonts heard about the mutiny, it is likely they heard about the expedition at Craster’s to avenge Jeor. News travels. Jon was also LC and he’s been sending ravens left and right. They could know.
I also assume Jeor has been communicating with his family while he was also LC. If Maester Aemon can get news about Dany from someone, I’m sure Jeor can get news from his family.
As for the Bush claim….idk why you’re linking real life with a fictional tv show, but Davos is talking about WW, so why can’t Jon corroborate? For all we know their pitch might be: WW are coming and we need to be united and prepared, so we have to secure the North and take out the Boltons.
“Home” doesn’t make any sense to me, unless it’s referring to something in WoW that we obviously don’t know about. Sure, characters are probably going or wanting to go home, but that’s true of every episode.
Oh come on. LSH was dead for 3 days, and was a hollow shell of her former self. I’d hate to see what a person dead for several weeks would turn into when resurrected. Not to mention that his body would be fairly decomposed by episode 9.
What in the world makes you think that Jon won’t be back until Episode 9?!? He’ll be (physically) back at the end of Episode 1. But just as for someone coming out of a coma (especially on TV), it might be several episodes before Jon Snow is back.
And, remember, this will be more than just brain damage from an extended lack of oxygen. This will be a huge trauma for Jon: he bent over backwards and twisted himself in knots in order to do the best thing for everyone including the Nationalists, and he got repaid with rejection and death. This is going to be a severe blow to his psyche as well. Daeny almost certainly will be going through something similar: she will have the double whammy of having the Meerenese nobility having turned on her despite her efforts (and, quite frankly, despite treating them far more kindly than they deserved: Daario really did have the right of it), and then being reduced to walking dead by the Dothraki.
I doubt that he will be at Castle Black, to be honest. Regardless, my bet is that Jon does not get back there until the end of the year. At any rate, with which characters can Jon interact? The list of people who would not kill him sooner than treat with him is quite short at this point. And just what would he be trying to do? Nobody is going to believe White Walker stories. Nobody is going to believe that he died and thus is released from his vows.
To be quite honest, I suspect that none of us have guessed what Jon will be doing this year. Oh, he’ll turn up at the end for the Bastard Bowl: but I will be that none of us have guessed where he’ll be or what will be happening around him from Episodes 3-8.
Flayed Potatoes,
Not to mention that Lord Commander Mormont sent a raven to Kings Landing about the wight attack in Castle Black back in season 1. He probably sent similar ravens to the northern houses.
Add that to Maester Aemon’s sending every raven at Castle Black (including the ones trained to fly to northern houses) out about the battle at the Fist of the First Men, which included White Walkers… and I don’t think the northerners would be as skeptical as might be supposed.
So… he would be resurrected into a coma? That doesn’t match any of the resurrections in the book or the show. This sounds like severe straw-grasping. It has as much plausibility as The Waif wearing Jon Snow’s face leading the northern armies.
Or maybe he says, “F&ck it, if I’m gonna be in the front lines once again, S & D can do the easy part before the big event”.
Agreed, but how’s that going to change by episode 9?
If he’s just a Vegegaryen sitting in a corner, then the usual reasoning for why Jon must be resurrected — that he’s so terribly important to the story — falls apart. It seems more plausible that he really is dead and staying dead.
Exactly!
I’m pretty sure some of the Northern houses would have sent a recruit or two under normal circumstances, but the Red Wedding happened and a lot of armies got rekt and now they probably need every man they can get their hands on to rebuild and can’t afford to spare. Not to mention, with the Boltons in power they can’t help, which is also why Jon & Sansa need to take them down and have access to all the resources. It is also pretty clear to me that not many care about vows in institutions like the NW and Kingsguard that much anymore.
Honestly, imo if the plot demands the Mormonts to cooperate (which they obviously are based on the flags in the trailer), they’ll cooperate. If the plot demands that Jon won’t get his head chopped of for “desertion”, he won’t. Just like the plot demanded for Loras and Margaery to both get arrested because of a birthmark. /shrug
Aryamad,
I just don’t see the point of showing Jaime/Mad King. The story has been told multiple times on the show, most notably when he told it to Brienne, and we are now six seasons into the series.
crimethink,
Exactly. At this point, there is no way some folks in the north haven’t heard at least rumors of what is happening beyond the Wall. Add in the ravens, and there’s no way each and every Northerner will just summarily dismiss any word of White Walkers returning.
Wimsey,
Jon has a list of potential characters he can interact with: Davos, Mel, Tormund, Edd (if he makes it), Sansa. Jon and Sansa have not had any scenes together on the show (and books for that matter) and they don’t have much of a relationship, like the one between Jon and Arya for example. This can be an opportunity for them to reconnect. Jon also doesn’t have a confidant now that Sam’s gone, and Sansa doesn’t have anyone, so it’s only natural for them to rely on each other (with Davos advising and gaining their trust).
Again, the pitch to the Northern houses can be: we want to get rid of the Boltons and take revenge after the Red Wedding; thus we’ll be united for the war against the WW. There could be skepticism when it comes to the WW from some, but there’s no denying that there are Northern houses thirsty for some revenge.
As for the resurrection part: I guess Sansa could witness it depending on how fast she gets to the Wall and who is with her if that happens. Or there is something different about Jon when he is resurrected and it is visible (not a personality trait, but something more in the sphere of the supernatural). Dany didn’t burn on Drogo’s pyre, and that convinced people she was something special (even Qarth heard of her and let her in without much fuss and proof, so news travels even in the middle of nowhere). Based on that, something can happen that proves Jon is different, further establishing the parallels between the two characters.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I agree. News travels!
El-Bobbie,
Jon, after coming back,
.So even if he is not directly involved with rallying the Northmen, still it will be a very interesting season for him, IMO atleast
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>Wimsey,
I disagree. If he goes to rally men, not to fight the Boltons, but to fight the WW, then he is fulfilling his duty as LC and not deserted.
In any case, I don’t pretend to know what will happen. I just think that’s the sort of time-wasting complication that this story can’t afford. I mean, I suppose it’s possible, but it isn’t necessarily true and I doubt it will happen.
Sophie is BAE
phantomstrife,
I disagree that they need exterior shots and I just realized (and got pretty excited) that we will have new locations on the intro map!
Wow. I’m a serious nerd.
That’s clearly the House Mormont Sigil, and in no way shape or form resembles any Stark Sigil that has been shown in the show to date.
I didn’t remember anything like this? If that is true that could totally be a clue to the title. Awesome!
Demonmonkey,
Um, there is no such thing as White Walkers. Or at least there isn’t anymore: maybe they did exist, but they died out millenia ago. The Watch is there to keep out Willings.
(For comparison, it has been only slightly more time since humans last saw mammoths as it is supposed to have been since people saw Walkers.)
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
What rumours? The only things that they would have heard is about Wildlings marching south: and anything & everything unusual of late can be attributec to that. There would be no source for rumors about the Walkers. Wildlings do not send ravens and they do not traffic with southerners. Stannis’ people are not interacting with the northerners, either: and it seems that much of the Watch itself doubts these stories. Remember, this is a world in which news does not travel quickly under the best of circumstances: and these are closer to the worst of circumstances.
At any rate, the Northerners did dismiss Jon’s pleas for help. All of those letters he was reading said the same thing: we are not sending any men to the Wall.
Flayed Potatoes,
Qarth new about Daeny because one of her riders went there and treated with them. They knew who the Targaryens were for the same reasons that ecucated people know who recent world leaders were. The rider told them that Daeny had dragons: but otherwise they would not have known.
The only thing comparable are Jon’s letters sent early last season: but as the replies show, nobody believed him. Obviously, nobody is hearing this from the Wildlings: they do not interact with other peoples. Nothing odd is happening south of the Wall: just the usual bloodshed and scheming that typifies Westeros. And those are all the means by which people might think something weird is happening!
As for Sansa, I doubt she will be at Castle Black by the end of the first episode, and I doubt that Jon will still be dead after that.
crimethink,
How does any of that follow? Of course Jon is important to the story. I would bet heavily that Jon’s Nadir -> Zenith will, combined with Daeny’s same arc, be a huge part of the story. But don’t expect either character to bounce back immediately from this. Instead, expect much of their season to focus on rebound. Indeed, I wonder to what extent this might be a story about rebounding and the personal cost of doing so: Arya, Tyrion, Bran, Sansa, Jaime and Cersei all are well-positioned for telling that.
I’m excited we’re going to Bear Island, especially since we haven’t gone there in the books. I bet this is the Bear Island set:
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Since they already declared for the Starks, I could see Sansa going to Bear Island for Jon as Cat went everywhere for Robb, but I think Jon & Tormund probably went, too, because the show mentioned Tormund’s fondness for bears. I want to know where Sansa got her raccoon collar and bedazzled frock.
The shot of Brienne in the trailer could be her reaction to finding out what the Freys did to Cat’s body or Bfish could be questioning why she delivered Jaime back to King’s Landing when he was Robb’s prisoner.
Also, another oathbreaker in E3 is
Leave it to me to post a comment that gets some traction, only to bounce and get too busy to remember to check back.
Enjoying the various opinions on the Jaime/Kingslayer flashback prospects. I think it has to be the case- nobody is stabbing Frankenmountain in the back- and really, what is the problem with showing Bran the truth of this?? If there is any poetry in revealing that “secret truth” of his regicide- it is found in either Brienne’s understanding and falling in love with Jaime, and/or in Bran’s forgiveness. I think it would present good storytelling for Bran, Jaime, and even some Targaryean elements…. AND it could even come on the heels of Bran having a vision of THE MAD KING BURNING GRAMPA STARK.
All of this could be used to make sense of the visions leading up to ToJ. Let us not forget, Bloodraven has Targ blood, and will be acting as some medium between Dragon and Wolf.)
Yes! Just so.
Pigeon,
Famke Janssen is a remarkably beautiful woman. I hear you. Fortunately, Sophie is also super beautiful and is coming into her own acting-wise – but damn, Famke was the perfect Jean Grey.
Wimsey,
I think that while Jon showing up at Bear Island with Longclaw may initially be met with suspicion, they will come around (this is assuming Jon does show up with Davos)… It won’t take too much to convince the Mormonts that Jeor entrusted him with the blade that their family had held for 100 generations or whatever (for saving his life from a wight no less!), and that after the mutiny, Jon led the revenge mission to Craster’s, was elected to fill the old bear’s shoes, witnessed the massacre at Hardhome, and OH BY THE WAY… FOUND OUT THAT YOUR ANCESTRAL SWORD KILLS WHITE WALKERS.
Doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch. Given Bear Island likely received a raven from LC Mormont, Maester Aemon, as well as Jon….. these might indeed be the easiest northmen (and women!) to rally. And if Sansa is present… well….. these Eskimos are buying ICE! (or whatever)
Don’t forget:
Flayed Potatoes,
Sansa is not getting to The Wall. The trailer more or less confirms the reddit spoilers from the extra and in them
He eventually ends up at the head of the Northern armies + wildlings, so this point of yours is wrong.
There’s a huge possibility the Northmen have started rallying in season 5 without anyone needing to convinve them. They’ve got word about Sansa Stark in Winterfell and they’ve beem amassing forces ever since. They could be camped somewhere on the neutral ground. Jon, Davos and co are not going to be going from door to door asking for help, Jesus. If anything ravens will be send summoning the Northern Lords to some place. And from there, things will progress.
Longtime reader. First time posting. Couple questions concerning the main swords in GoT. I’m getting sick of Brienne (a non Stark) carrying around a reforged Ice. Any chance if Brienne & Jon cross paths that she gives Oathkeeper to Jon? Can’t remember if Jon had Longclaw in spoiler shot? Or if she keeps it to fulfill her oath of finding Arya in the Riverlands, does Oathkeeper meet back up with Widow’s Wail? And is the sword that Jamie grips, when talking with the High Sparrow, Widow’s Wail? Can’t recall exactly what the pommel or handle looked like. Any Gifs of Widow’s Wail? Sorry for the long post.
phantomstrife,
The reddit spoilers
Besides, LF planned to take the Vale army north last season. I still can’t see how it would be interesting storytelling to have Sansa interact with only Lord Royce and LF for half a season, only to accomplish what LF wanted all along anyway.
And that picture mau posted (and I reposted as a response to you btw) clearly shows that Sansa and Davos are in the same room together (with Mormont crests at the wall).
Flayed Potatoes,
Eh, them reconnecting will have no pay off, for me at least, since as you said they didn’t even have one scene together in the show.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I share your hopes. Brienne seems to be the one who can wake up what’s good in Jaime, she has done this before. I simply love your idea with Jaime using the other sword forged from Ice. I hated the LSH arc first of all because I don’t want Brienne to betray Jaime. If they have to die, they must go with honour.
Rygritte,
Why would Sansa be going to Bear Island for Jon? She would be going to rally for herself. The Northern lords would likely rather declare for Sansa than for a bastard (legitimized or not).
That set is just two walls of the Pyke castles with a rope bridge in-between. We see the set in the trailer. Euron is on the bridge. If you’ve read the books, you know what that means 🙂
Also, I’m pretty sure Sansa is going to rally the Mormonts around her, not around Jon. Davos is going too, of course. Jon I think will have to rally the wildlings around him.
Wow. Such a great find. It was obviously the same room, but it just fits perfectly. Not just the chandlier, but even the light beams from the window!
Jon will go to Bear Island with Sansa & Davos and present Longclaw. It must happen.
Ok so Qarth believed one rider because the plot demanded it. They could have just said no, but Dany could not be kept starving in the middle of nowhere, so they had to believe her. So by that logic, Jon can also be believed (especially since more people are talking about WW in this case). Think that, like Osha, there are Wildlings who have escaped south of the Wall, including the survivors from Hardhome (including a giant, who people think no longer exist). That is more than one rider. If a large number of people tells you something, you have to sit down at one point and think that maybe they are right.
And like I said (again and again), Jon and Sansa’s pitch can combine getting rid of the Boltons with uniting the north to face a greater danger.
I didn’t even consider Jon would go to Bear Island, because I thought he’d be busy with the wildlings, but oh man, that alone kind of convinced me.
Welcome!
Oathkeeper’s pommel had a lion on the handle. Brienne and Jon might cross paths if she goes to the Wall and finds him there alive.
Widow’s Wail is more simple
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/f/f9/Joffrey_holding_Widow's_Wail.png/revision/latest?cb=20140417214109
phantomstrife,
The Reddit spoiler got some things right and he’s certainly a extra but he embezzled later on and made stuff up regarding WF. We also know he made up tons of bullshit because some other extra (who seemed very reliable and had proof iirc) said there’s no way a single extra would know all that and that he’s certainly making some of it up while some of it is true.
Plus where will Brienne take Sansa after saving her? Brienne hates LF and they telegraphed Sansa going to CB last season and even Brienne thinks shes safest with Jon. Plus Sophie says she gets people she trusts to help her this season, doesn’t sound like LF to me.
Also Sansa is watching the battle from a distance with Davos in the trailer, not with LF.
El-Bobbie,
I think that you have the right of it: Sansa would not go for Jon; she would go for herself or (more probably) her younger brothers. Sansa has evolved a bit, but she is still Sansa: she would not give up her claim in favor of a bastard.
Remember, Show!Jon also knows that Bran and Rickon are alive, so he would not be campaigning for himself. (This probably takes the place of an incidental character who learns of this from an even more invidental character.)
I would offer one note of cation on Mau’s sleuthing. Yes, it does show that both Sansa and Davos are in the the room and that this room has a Mormont banner. Howevet, it does not necessarily mean they were there at the same time. This could be two separate embassies. (I tend to lean towards them being the same: but this does not quite demonstrate that.)
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1. Hodor
2. HODOR
3. Hodor?
4. Hodor!!!!
5 Hodor…
6. hodor
7. HODOR!!!
8. Hodor!?!
9. …hodor….
10. H.O.D.O.R
See, for me it’s the opposite. I want to see the dynamics. Sansa doesn’t know where Bran and Rickon are, but she knows where Jon is. And Jon will support her.
Some logic…i think. It’s about clothes.
If Jon picture from Saintfield is legit the problem is how Jon arrive to wear Stark colours.
From both books and show we know that Jon is a guy with good sense. Even he wanted to receive Stark name, in no case would wear house Stark colours from its own initiative. Is not like…ok, i was dead, now i’m alive, so fuck the black (that’s ok) and put some Stark sigil on me. So i think that consent, that recognition, is from Sansa (queen in the north)/northern lords/Robb (maybe Stannis) will via Mormonts/Bran/Howland Reed/whatever.
From what we know for now, Jon likely will meet with Sansa before the battle of episode 9.
Flayed Potatoes,
Count me in. I’d love to have a Sansa-Jon-meeting. Keep the real good stuff for later (e.g. Jon-Arya, Arya-Sansa, hopefully everyone-Bran) 🙂
Sure, they could have. But you need to stop with this “because the plot demanded it”: GRRM is not the world’s greatest story-teller, but he is not that bad! One thing that both the books and show make clear is that the Qarthese did not believe the bit about dragons. They were, however, curious about Daeny, and (as both book and show make clear) they knew who the Targaryens were. It is always worth meeting with a soi-distant monarch on the off-chance that a small investment in them might have big dividends later. (This seems to be how Daeny and Viserys survived for so long.) Moreover, they were being prodded a bit by people who had other reasons to suspect that this might be true.
But if it had not been for that one rider, then they would have had no knowledge of things. It was not on the Essosian version of CNN, after all.
(Side note: would the Westerosi version of FoxNews be pro-Lannister or pro-Sparrow?)
Hardly. For one thing, absolutely nothing in the books or on the show suggests that the Northerners are hearing this from lots and lots of Wildlings. Northerners do not talk to Wildlings: Northerners flee from Wildlings or they kill Wildlings. And they would no more heed Wildlings than, say, Europeans are going to start believing that Mohammed is “the” prophet or that there is a god from the influx of Syrian refugees.
The Wildlings that are getting through are not spreading the word because the Wildlings that are getting through are avoiding the Westerosi altogether in their attempt to go as far south as south goes.
This is, I think, the big problem with your reasoning: you are assuming a “one size fits all” model for communications in this world. That never is the case, and that actually comes up in both the books and on the show. Communications in Essos are pretty good: those are relatively advanced civilizations with lots of trade and commerce among cities. Communications in “Andal” Westeros are not quite as good, but still fair: Kings Landing definitely is a hub, and it seems that 5 of the 7 kingdoms are pretty tightly connected. Dorne and the North are big exceptions: much of what happens in both never is learned in Kings Landing. But the North in particular would have very poor news flow. It is huge and it is very sparsely populated. Add to this the catastrophes of the war and the onset of winter, and news flow would be even worse than usual.
But regarding the pitches, given everything we’ve gotten in the shows and the books, Jon would be a detriment. I do agree that Bear Island might be the one exception: that is the one place in the North of which we know in which Wildlings have not bee “the” problem.
Lannister of course. When in doubt, follow the money.
Flayed Potatoes,
The pay off would be great, they are still blood, part of the same family. Us viewers who have endured the Stark decimation want a reunion and we will get one. It’s going to be emotional.
Flayed Potatoes,
If WW were going to have anything on the hilt it should have been a stag. I always thought it was odd that Tywin said “I always wanted our house to have a Valyrian steel sword, now we have two” when one of them is going to a supposed Baratheon.
Don’t make me start doing a comparison of Bill and Hillary with Robert and Cersei. Or Stannis and Melisandre with W. and Dick, for that matter.
Oathbreaker is strong indication for Lady Stoneheart. Literally her words in the books:
http://epicstream.com/news/Will-Lady-Stoneheart-Show-Up-in-Game-of-Thrones-Season-6-These-Details-Hint-At-Her-Appearance
I agree it will pertain to that plot… but I believe Sansa will take the mantle.
I find it kind of impressive that, after all these years, people still have hope for LSH. At first I was confused… now I just find it a genuinely impressive leap of faith. That said, if she was going to appear in a season, it would be in this one, in which she would actually do something, not in season three, four or five.
maarten,
Those words are said by lots of people in the books….
Well, Stoneheart is also Mother Merciless (or Mother’s Mercy) and we all saw how that turned out last season in episode 10.
Clob,
You’re right, Nealon shouldn’t have been that big of a deal. However, Conan was a writer on Saturday Night Live from 1987-1991 (the years that Nealon was a cast member), so they’re buddy-buddy from decades ago. I knew that Conan is pretty chummy with Adam Sandler as well. So yeah, I agree, the priorities seem a little out of whack; I don’t hate Nealon, but I fast-forwarded through his whole interview to see Sophie.
I am more pumped for the North storyline this year. I also think Jon is in all of the Sansa/Davos scenes, they’re probably just editing him out (obviously). I hope they resurrect him in the night he died so he isn’t as far gone as Lady Stoneheart in the books. I wan the Jon we have had before he died, the character they built up ever since season 1. They made him go to Hardhome to be a great leader to have against the White Walkers and even killed one only to have him killed off and brought back a totally different character.
I also think that Yara and Theon will go to Meereen as well this season, right?
Wow. Did you really just tell someone they “need to stop?” It isn’t as though this person is attacking anyone, or being inappropriate. They’re merely presenting their own ideas. Who are you to dictate what people can and cannot say? Why is it they need to stop, but you can go on and on and on about whatever it is you think?
Crackpot Theory:
Jon Snow gets resurrected but ends up going north of the wall. In one of the interviews (well not interview but more of a townhall at Oxford) for season 5 one of the shows creators slipped up and said Jon will be doing alot of warging in season 6 when Kit said he would like to be a warg while answering one of the questions form audience.
What if Jon somehow communicates with Bran or sees a vision of cave being attacked and goes to save him. What if the hooded person form the trailer that sets wight on fire with lantern is actually JS. Long shot of course.
but what if they made the decision to hold back his come back to have Sansa in the limelight, they got huge backlash last season with her storyline and now they want to show that she is a strong character and give her the storyline to rally the North behind her. If Jon comes back soon, he will get in the limelight and the focus will be all on him then.
taim,
I highly doubt that.
It’s a thin possibility, but if the show decides to introduce the letter from King Robb legitimizing Jon, releasing him from the Night’s Watch, and naming him as his heir, then northern houses would absolutely rally behind him. And Maege Mormont is one of the people who may have been acting as courier.
It will be Jon’s idea.
Not that, the halls behind it made of huge logs, surrounded by an earthen palisade.
crimethink,
I think Tywin secretly knew that Joffrey was no true Baratheon. So both swords were staying in House Lannister. But that gif of WW looks like it has rubies on the hilt. I can’t tell if the sword that Jamie grips when he “threatens” the high sparrow has rubies. It’d be nice if WW does make a return and it looks tailor made for Arya. And thanks for the replies guys. Glad my first post wasn’t a boring one that everyone ignored. Lol.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Exactly Dumba**, I listen to you BS over and over Wimsey.