On our next episode, a podcast will enter the endgame of Game of Thrones Season 7 — now with the perspective of extra days and secondary viewings. Needless to say, there are things that must be discussed.
After the cut you’ll find three questions we’ve asked ourselves, and will be disputing as the show records. In the next episode, we head Beyond the Wall!
For the love of the seven, please leave your feedback spoiler and leak free!
What do you believe?
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
That’s it. Let us know what and why in the comments below! Make sure to listen for your thoughts, theories, and input once this episode is released.
1. Dany gave them a choice of three options; they are the ones who decided. #NotOnHer
2. Yes, they have the book for lil Sam to drool on. Last episode.
3. Littlefinger must die.
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. What happens with the white walkers and who will make it to the end.
Bonus: Thoros and Beric…
While I love this season –does anyone think that things are a bit rushed and that D and D just seem like they are tired and mailing it in to the minimum number of episodes. Probably worth a separate dialogue but I think there’s enough to make it into a normal 10 episodes that give the story more depth.
Grayven Reyne,
No, Sam gave the book he was inscribing to little Sam. The page little Sam first touches is mostly blank.
I would expect Gilly brought the book she was reading, however.
Maybe they could borrow one of the scorpions, tie LittleFinger to the bolt and shoot him over the wall to die.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
It was the best decision left to her, under the circumstances. I think she probably expected them to bend the knee after Drogon chimed in, with the rest of the Lannister soldiers, but when Randyll not only refused, but also insulted her, she really had no choice. He betrayed and helped annihilate the house he was sworn to, an ally to Daenerys. And poor, loyal, brave, stupid Dickon, may he R.I.P. Bend the knee and join me, or refuse and die. Can’t get much more clear than that. I don’t believe she was happy about having to do it, but I do believe she HAD to do it. I don’t think it will have any serious, lasting effect on her relationship with Tyrion.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
I don’t think Sam and Gilly will discover the significance of it as far as it pointing to Jon, no. That is, unless they’re at Winterfell and it comes up with The Three-Eyed Brandon. I suspect that we WILL get a Rhaegar/Lyanna flashback to let the audience know exactly what happened, but I don’t believe that Jon will find out until Season 8, whether or not Sam and Gilly are told by Bran this season. I still don’t discount the possibility of a Howland Reed cameo, either, but as to which season this would occur, I’m not sure.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Even though I love Littlefinger as a skulking, Nosferatu-like villian, I want this stupid Sansa/Arya plot resolved, even if it means losing him. It’s a waste of screen time. But if I have to point to one single thing that I’m looking forward to, I may need CPR on stand-by if we do get that Rhaegar flashback. I’ve been dreaming about that guy for 12 years, so Nina Gold better not disappoint me like she did with Renly. Just thinking about seeing it played out onscreen is about to make me Lose. My. Shit.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
Well, no spoilers, I promise, because I’ve avoided that leak like the plague, but in the preview for the episode, you can see five people running back under the portcullis at Eastwatch. That means, unless we’re counting redshirts, two of our magificent seven will not return. The obvious choices would be Thoros and Beric, but for some reason, as much as it breaks my heart to say it, I have a bad feeling about our dear Ser Friendzone. So unfortunately, my guess is Thoros or Beric and Jorah. I really hope they wouldn’t bring Gendry back just to kill him off this quickly, but look at poor Rickon…
1. Dany backed herself into that corner, but at that point had to follow thru.
2. Gilly will hit him with that book… then it will sink in.
3. Ahhh… but just who WAS the baby that it turns out was legitimate? I, like almost every person who has read the books, picked up on R+L=J right away. Every. One. But GRRM doesn’t make things that easy. In fact he loves to get “close readers” to bite at the wrong bait.
So here is an admitted long shot, but I’ll toss it out there and back away: Last episode what we saw was – – – Gendry Targaryen finally meet Jon Baratheon…
1. From a modern moral perspective, of course not. But in-world and in-context, yes. She is establishing the rules by which she intends to govern, which include amnesty for those who swear fealty, and punishment for those who don’t. Randall, on his part, established that he was xenophobic, racist, and had no intention of swearing allegiance to her. Like Robb Stark and Jon Snow, she had to follow through on the consequences of his decision. (She could have insisted that Dickon remain alive, but she took him at his word too, even though maybe it would have been better if she hadn’t.) She and Tyrion are going to have some tense moments over this. I wonder whether it may come to another Stannis-Davos moment where he helps convince her to prioritize fighting the White Walkers over conquering Westeros.
2. I envision a scene where Sam and Gilly end up on Dragonstone, somehow having received word that Jon is there but not that he’s left, to lend Jon support in trying to convince Daenerys to join the fight against the White Walkers. Someone explains Dany’s claim or family history to Gilly, and Gilly’s like, “Oh, is that the same Prince Ragger who got his marriage annulled and then married someone named Lyanna down in Dorne?” And everyone goes nuts and Ned Stark’s honor is recalled in detail and Dany remembers that Drogon liked Jon, and they put it all together. The book is produced to prove it (I hope they took that book with them!) Then Dany flies off to assist her last relative in his fight against the White Walkers. (I don’t know if Dany will actually figure it out, but I do feel pretty sure that Gilly will innocently remember this random fact at some critical juncture – maybe in conversation with Missandei, since she has been set up as curious about bastardy and marriage customs. Of course, if Dany does know, then it will make it weird when she and Jon inevitably hook up, but it’ll still be the least offensive incest on the show, for whatever that’s worth. As to Jon finding out, if Dany knows, she’ll probably tell him. If she doesn’t, then he might find out from Bran. Or not at all. I’m less certain about the reveal to Jon, or how he will receive the news.)
3. I’m looking forward to everyone realizing that Cersei really doesn’t care about a White Walker invasion even when its proven imminent, and Team Dany asking Tyrion why he ever thought that wrestling a wight down to Kings Landing would make any difference at all.
I am also curious about how Dany is going to react to Jon’s resurrection story, which she’s going to keep asking about until it’s answered, it seems. It’s still unclear why the resurrection was important, so this has to come out at some point.
Finally, I want to know what the Children were doing on Dragonstone when they made those drawings. Did they also create the dragons in an attempt to stop the White Walkers? Did they create the Targaryens? Is Dany’s conviction that she needs to return to Westeros actually tied to some fated fight against the White Walkers, since she does very frequently seem to operate as if compelled by something beyond her own conscious choices? I hope we get some further explanation of all of this.
Pretty certain Jon and Gendry will survive the expedition beyond the wall. Also the Hound. Hopefully Tormund, but less certain about him, Beric, and Thoros. Jorah….also not sure. That’s a death that would really affect people.
1) I believe Dany should have left the Tarlys alive. Her behavior is starting to go the way of the Mad King , thus giving Westoros more of the same in terms of leadership and failing to “break the wheel” of the leadership that preceded her. If she continues down this path, it will cost her Tyrion, as well as other influential believers.
2) Sam and Gilly could confirm the marriage of Raegar and Leanna this season. I think Jon will find all this out next season; we are just running out of time in season 7.
3) The revealing of LittleFingers involvement in all that has happened in the series, as well as the death of LF. I would also like to get some information on the Night King’s plan, plot, intentions. Hearing his voice would be cool too. Also, I would like to see what role Beric has to play in the overall story. He’s been brought back to life too many times to be a nobody.
Bonus) I believe Thoros, Beric, Gendry, and Jorah will die.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
She gave them a choice, then she swung the sword, as she should have… But, Tyrion may fear what will happen to Cersei and Jaime.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
They have a month on the road to discuss it, so I would hope so…
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Will Jon and Daenerys do the nasty? Will Jaime and Cersei keep doing the nasty? Will Baelish finally die? Will Arya use the pointy end? Inquiring minds want to know…
But, in the end, I can’t believe this will all come down to one huge battle that decides the fate of the Westeros… So, what will be the next big cluster of a plot twist that will change everything?
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
Jorah and Gendry just got back, so it won’t be them. Jon has that magical plot shield. My money is on the three stooges… Beric, Thoros, and the Hound. Unless an zombie she-bear shows up… Then it could be Tormund that gets fucked.
Oh, and of course the very biggest thing I’m looking forward to is seeing Littlefinger die. Please, please, please let it happen soon!
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
While I’m ok with Dany using her dragons during a battle, I don’t think she should make a habit of sentencing those who oppose her to death by dragonfire. I support her actually sentencing the Tarlys to death, but burning them alive only serves to reinforce the belief that she is similar to her father. The Westerosis have no context of her achievements in Essos, i.e. freeing slaves. Cersei is propagating the wartime classic of demonizing the enemy by calling Dany’s army savages and telling Westerosi lords she crucified “noble” lords. I think when Dany decides to burn people alive it works against her own goal of “breaking the wheel.” These actions have already affected her relationship with Tyrion. I’m hoping he is able to reason with her within the next two episodes.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
It would be a nice parallel to the season 6 finale if Jon learns about his parentage in the season 7 finale. I’m hoping that by episode 7, Bran will have a chance to speak with Jon to reveal what has already been revealed to viewers. I think he may share this with the other Stark members, but I don’t foresee Bran or Jon sharing his true parentage with others…at least not yet. As for the annulment, I don’t think Sam and Gilly will discover its significance until the next season. I envision Gilly overhearing Jon’s parentage, which would trigger her memory when she read about Rhaegar’s annulment.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
I’m just looking forward to a potential Jon-Arya (and Ghost) reunion. Can he get back to Winterfell already?!?!
And of course, I’m looking forward to a resolution to this whole Sansa-Arya tension. And by resolution I mean: can someone kill Littlefinger already? lol
Also Cersei chose Jaime to represent her for the parley to discuss an armistice so I’m hoping for a better Tyrion-Jaime dialogue or a Dany-Jaime meet-up. It would be great to see how Dany and Jaime would interact with each other, especially after Jaime attempted to kill her during the loot train battle. #Awkward
Fierce as a Wolverine,
Ohhh, very interesting theory on the second one, there. I hadn’t really thought about that angle, but Dragonstone is definitely closer to the Citadel than Winterfell is.
Hey whats up everyone.
I think this season has been solid. There are some things I did not like about it though, biggest one still in my head is how Jaymie somehow went 500 yards down that lake in full armor, that was stupid. There are a few silly things like that but all can be easily forgiving because so much was amazing.
My only big worry is why D&D are rushing us through the end of the story. D&D always talk about this being their dream job but does anyone else have a feeling like they are rushing us through these events now? If this was truely their dream job wouldn’t they pace it a little less fast?
I dont know, I could be wrong but it seems a bit rushed, maybe it is because I don’t want this show to end.
I really hope HBO gives us at least one epic spinoff, if not more.
I love this show!
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
Executing them was the proper decision. Just as Ned executing Will for desertion, Robb executing Rickard Karstark for disobeying his order, Jon executing Janos for insubordination and Alliser and the others for treason, she needed to execute them or be seen as showing weakness. It seemed she contemplated Tyrion’s suggestion of the Night’s Watch for a second, but Randyll’s refusal to accept even that eliminated the possibility.
Tyrion, Varys and others are remembering her father’s executions and comparing. While dragon fire may look harsh it appears to be just about as swift as beheading, unlike a regular burning. It’s certainly a better way to go than being poisoned with The Strangler or The Long Farewell… or watching your daughter die from poison and rotting in front of you… or being flayed alive…
I suspect that Tyrion will talk to her about it. She’ll defend her decision but maybe they’ll compromise somehow. I think it’s just another thing they’ve put in to add to Tyrion’s internal conflict with going against his own family… and after a while the issue will go away.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
They have to or it wouldn’t have been brought up in their scene to begin with. There’s not enough time and too much going on at the moment for Jon to find out now. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t find out until the second or third episode of season 8. Somehow they’ll find a way to delay it.
It doesn’t matter if Sam learns that Rhaegar married Lyanna. He doesn’t know that she was Jon’s mother. He’ll need more info to put it all together.
I think it’s possible that the Hound will die beyond the wall, and they bring him back. It may be easier to convince Cersei with a wight who she knows.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
She probably shouldn’t have roasted them, but she and Tyrion will come to some sort of understanding and be fine.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
Sam will eventually figure out the truth about Jon’s parentage. My guess is that Jon learns the truth in episode 7.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Other than the obvious meeting of Jon, Cesei, and Dany, I’m most looking forward to Jon seeing Arya again.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
Beric and Thoros are going to die.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
Yes and no. She def made the right military decision but she made the wrong political one and though her relationship with Tyrion may not be in jeopardy right now that may change in the future as things develop.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
Yes, they will along with Bran. Yes but he will not know until season 8. This piece of information will change “everything” and not just for Jon.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Its all about Jonsa for me at this point. I want to see how they set it up for next season. I expect red wedding type reaction when it finally happens. lol.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
While I sort of understand why Daenerys acted in the way she did, I think she made the wrong choice. Randyll in particular would have made a valuable hostage – although she leaves Dragonstone before Theon’s arrival, she knows that Ellaria and the others are potentially captives of Cersei. Randyll could be traded for one of her allies, should they live.
I also think Tyrion had the right of it with regards to Dickon.
As for their relationship going forward, for it to stand strong Tyrion has to continue to be honest with Daenerys in the way she commanded Varys to be. I think the battle brought it home to him that while he wants to stick two fingers up to Tywin, he still loves his brother and doesn’t want to see him killed.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
I think it will depend on what other information is in the scrolls/books they’ve taken with them. Sam didn’t return any books when he went to the library, and Gilly seemed very taken with the writings of High Septon Maynard, so I’d guess that the book left Oldtown with Sam and Gilly.
In and of itself, finding out that Rhaegar had his marriage annulled and wed someone else is of more importance to the audience than Sam and Gilly. Without the knowledge that Lyanna was pregnant or died in childbirth, all it really tells Sam is that Daenerys is kin of sorts to the Starks by marriage. And it maybe raises some more questions about why Rhaegar officially ended his marriage to Elia. We don’t know if Sam and the Tarlys believed the “official” Robert-endorsed version of events about Lyanna being kidnapped – Sam may only see this mention of her as contributory evidence Lyanna went willingly.
The topic has to come up again somehow, because Sam didn’t really take in what Gilly was saying at the time and therefore has no reason to revisit it. Not sure how that would happen, but it has to.
As for Jon finding out, I think they will spell it out for the audience first – though they’ve given a lot of hints already. They might drag it out to next season as far as the revelation to Jon is concerned. This has been a mystery to Jon his entire life and one of the first ones introduced in the very first episode. That said, we just saw an episode in which Gendry went from a forge in King’s Landing to Dragonstone to Eastwatch to a few steps north of the Wall in around half an hour, so who knows? The pacing of the season has been so different to previous ones it is sometimes hard to guess such things now.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
I want more R+L=J stuff, and am really looking forward to seeing how far they take Sansa and Arya’s antagonisms. It is winter now, and these two really need to learn to work together – just like Ned told Arya in season one. I’d like to know if Yara is alive, but if she’s Euron’s torture victim then I kind of don’t want to see too much. Seeing Ramsay flay Theon was enough. The episode six trailer has me hyped, so I’m looking forward to everything they showed in that.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
I really, really don’t see all seven of these guys coming back alive. The only one nobody will convince me isn’t coming back is Jon himself. The other six – there are arguments for why each of them should/shouldn’t die, but Jon is the only one I think truly has the plot armor at this stage to make it back. I’m not saying I think Jon will be the sole survivor – just that he is the only one I’m certain of.
Ultimately, we are in the Great War now and war has costs. Not all of these guys are coming back alive. Jon will though. I have every confidence in his plot armor – they’ve spent too much time on R+L=J and the potential for him to be the Prince that was Promised to allow him to die on a suicide mission like this one.
With the shortened season, this is the penultimate episode. It is the equivalent of an episode nine, and they tend to involve the deaths of named characters. Sometimes they are major (particularly if your name is Stark) and sometimes they are minor (like Matthos). But every episode nine has included tragic deaths. I have a horrible feeling we’re about to lose someone or multiple someones we care about. I’m not personally massively invested in Thoros or Beric, but I love the other five characters so much and I’m worried not all of them will make it. That said, it would be so like Thrones to have Thoros and Beric survive and kill off a load of characters I love!
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
If things in Westeros were not such a mess and the crown’s vassals were still loyal then yes. However things in Westeros are chaotic. Are all Westerosi atheists now? Maybe the masses have gotten over the Faith Militant being purged but the Sept blown to smithereens?! Not only the masses should be rioting in the streets but all crown’s support should be organizing a revolt! If Dany played to that she would be flat invited to take the throne!
1. Good grief people! You have a character attempting to capture the throne and holding a tiny area of the land mass. They have to feed two separate armies. They have captured another army and will have to feed them as well. She also would have to hold this army in a prison if she simply took them prisoner. She needs their cooperation with no funny stuff. That’s the best way to go. The question should be who thinks of himself and allows his son to die as well. Randyll committed a murder suicide by dragon.
2. It doesn’t appear they will on their own. They either will on the road or at Winterfell with someone else by accident.
3. Will the Wall hold? Are Dany and Jon destined. Will Jon ride a dragon. Which one will Bran possess. If Jon is Targaryen, what Stark will be the new Lord or Lady of Winterfell?
MD,
I agree with you – they could have filled 10 episodes this season, but were too lazy since they didn’t have source materials with great dialog to use. Ditto re Season 8.
Jon will die. So will Beric. Thoros will recite his back-from-the-dead prayer and then with bewilderment exclaim “what the f***” when Jon comes back and Beric remains dead (or becomes a wight)!
They should hire me as a writer, right?! No?
Lord Of Lite,
Jon will learn next season. Beric, Thoros, perhaps Tormund and Gendry will die. If one of them dies, it’ll be Tormund. Jon, Jorah and the Hound will live
I think everybody needs warmer clothes.
Or at least don’t go bareheaded all the time!
1) There’s gonna be a conversation about this with Tyrion but I don’t know how that goes. But, in the history of the story, Aegon wasn’t exactly gentle in his conquest. I don’t think this necessarily starts Dany’s descent into the Mad Queen.
2)Not sure if there’s gonna be more of this the rest of the season. I think the Rhaegar-Jon link won’t be made till season 8.
3) Clegane Bowl!!!
Bonus: One of Thoros and Beric, plus Tormund, and Jorah. I really hope they didn’t bring Gendry back to die but that promo with the Hound wielding the hammer doesn’t seem good. The Hound has to survive. Finally, Jon may die but we have to remember that Thoros and Beric are there so… who knows.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
Killing them – most likely yes, but burning them – no, no and no. Burning people alive is known to install fear, but not devotion. On top of that Daenerys has her father’s bad reputation to think of. Bad PR decision. Also it didn’t had to be so rushed, there was ground for some deal – Randyll himself wanted his son to bend the knee. Dickon was more useful alive than roasted.
Her relations with Tyrion are already affected by this decision, but I think they won’t split over that.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
They will find something. The big picture is like a puzzle so most likely figuring it out will be a collective effort, with different characters contributing separate pieces to the whole. So Sam&Gilly, Bran… maybe someone else too. The news will reach Jon in season 8 most likely, unless they want to keep us hanging and gasping between seasons.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to
We are all expecting LF to die. Other than that – not much, the conclusion of the other big stories will be in the last season. Right now I’m most interested with Sam, Gilly and Bran, they are the ones who can bring something new. Seeing what happens with the Greyjoys will be nice too.
Oh, and maybe this season we’ll see The Wall crumble. Perfect last scene ( though I had the same idea last season too ).
1. I think Dany did the wrong thing when burning the Tarlys, but the fault is honestly more theirs than hers.
2. Sam and Gilly probably won’t figure out the significance of the annulment – it seems like just a tease for viewers. Bran’s line “I need to speak with him[Jon]” sticks out more to me; of everything Bran could potentially reveal to affect the plotline, Jon’s true identity would more than anything else justifiy his psychic powers, backed up by it being the focus of the throwback visions in S6.
My bet is that Jon learns once he (probably) stops at Winterfell to rest after narrowly escaping the ordeals beyond the wall. Having him learn it in the season finale but not get to act on it (yet) would be a nice cliffhanger to speculate on while waiting for S8.
3. The (hopefully) upcoming Dany/Lannister dialogue has me the most intrigued, as, other than it’s potential for Cleganebowl, I have no idea how it will play out.
Bonus: Jon and Gendry will definitely survive. Tormund probably will aswell, being the only character to represent the wildlings at this point. Thoros and Beric are goners. They might ressurrect one of the other guys first though. Jorah… I have a feeling Jorah will die and become the wight they eventually bring back south. It would be a fittingly tragic end to his story. With his sole motivation at this point basically being to give it all for his queen, it would be his ultimate sacrifice; it would open Dany’s eyes to the threat from the north like nothing else could, and as a consequence would be a way for Jorah to redeem himself to his father by bringing dragons to the Nights’ Watch.
1. I thought that Tyrion’s suggestion to send the Tarly’s to the Wall was fair (Dany appeared open to it) and that Randall T’s rejection of that option may have made Tyrion feel that he couldn’t save someone who didn’t want to be saved. Of course he is still uncomfortable with the burning alive thing but I don’t think it will lead to a permanent breach between them.
2. I agree with those who think we will somehow learn about it in season 7, but Jon will learn about it in Season 8. My personal thought is that we learn about it (as others have said) through a flashback in episode 7 with an immediate cut to a brief scene ending in JS and Dany in a suggestive romantic embrace. Then the episode ends with the Wall coming down?
3. I am looking forward to seeing LF meet his demise. I think Arya cannot be played forever, even if she has been fooled so far (which I doubt).
Of course, I am also hyped for how they are going to resolve the suicide squad mission this episode (or next, if it is a cliffhanger). There was a shot in the Season 7 preview that looked like there were multiple fires in the background of a scene that must have come from “beyond the wall” . Dragon rescue? Now that JS has petted Drogon, can Drogon find his scent from afar?
And will Jon ride into battle on Rhaegal in the confrontation before the gates of Winterfell between the living and the dead ala the Battle of Pelennor FIelds? Finally what “red wedding” type plot is Cersei hatching for season 8 to “kill them all” and who will stop it?
BONUS: Berric, Thoros and Tormund won’t make it, but I was thinking that they might save Tormund to retain command of Eastwatch so that we care about the Wall’s destruction from a character point of view when it comes down in episode 7. I agree with others who think everyone else is also at risk (other than JS), but their arcs points in different directions. Jorah’s narrative purpose for dying could be to save Jon, and then ask him to protect Danerys because she “needed” Jon more than him; if he survives look for a Golden Company appearance or death in foiling Cersei’s last plot. Gendry’s purpose for survival could be related to Jon finding out that he is Rhaegar’s son and Gendry becoming the son of the man that killed Jon’s Father. The Hound’s purpose for survival could be to help contribute to Arya’s arc and help her see that she can become something other than a cold hearted killer (and as fan service for Clegane bowl of course). And at least one of the Jon’s six companions WILL survive to accompany Jon back south and bear witness to the events beyond the wall.
Oh, I like that. Not that I would like to see it happening, but they could use your services as a writing consultant.
1. I can’t fully support Dany’s decision to roast the Tarlys. However, my sympathy lies with poor Dickon; he deserved better. Randyll got his due.
2. Assuming that Sam and Company are headed back to WF, then he and Gilly will discover the significance of “Prince Ragger’s annulment.” A conversation with Bran will reveal Jon’s parentage and his status as heir to the throne. For me, this needs to happen this season. I don’t want to wait until 2019 for this tidbit to be confirmed.
3. First and foremost, Littlefinger’s death. Second, whatever Cersei does next because its always outrageous. And finally, I’ve expected Jaime to break away from Cersei for two seasons so I will continue to keep this hope alive.
Bonus: Beric and/or Thoros will die, mostly because there is little storyline left for them. And that will make me sad; I like them. Gendry didn’t come back for one episode so he will hang around to forge some swords. The Hound isn’t done yet and neither is Jorah. Tormund is with us for awhile as the “face of the Wildlings.”
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
She made the right choice by executing them. It was really the only choice she could make. I think doing it by burning was perhaps not the right choice. Although it looked quick, I assume there had to be extreme pain for a few moments. Something like a clean beheading would have probably been better. Hopefully Tyrion comes around.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
Yes. But probably not right away. I would guess it has to come after they discover Jon is Rhaegar’s son.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
I’m looking forward to Jon’s storyline in general. The adventure beyond the wall should be fun. I hope they pack a good bit of character stuff in with the action. They have such a fun group of characters up there I hope they take advantage of it. Also looking forward to Jon’s next meetings with Danny and Arya if they get to those this year.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
Not sure. I’m guessing they’ll want to kill off a few of them for impact. If I had to guess I’d say Thoros and Beric and one or more of Tormond, Jorah or Gendry (or maybe both).
I really don’t think that’s the case. Have you watch the comments from this comunnity lately? No one understends s**t regarding plot development, like the moment that Arya and the Lannister soldiers share. I would understand ir D&D would just say fuck it and use that extra three episodes budgets to do just action packed episodes, even so if that means rush the hell out of things.
I strongly doubt that Cersei would exchange any prisoner for the likes of Randyll Tarly. Jaime may be the only one worthy to her and even that is questionable at times.
I think Jon might “die” and Berric sees his importance and gives him the last kiss he gives Catelyn. It would give the character his poetic death.
Nick Hartley does not sow!
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
I still believe in the sanctity of Lords in the realm and maybe Denaerys would have been better off ransoming them to Cersei as a gesture of good will. After all, their army was destroyed, she could have even taken Horn Hill as a spoil and held Lady Tarly and daughter hostage. I would have liked to see what Jon would have done in the same circumstance. It was not unlike the Umbers and the Karstarks. I don’t think Dany is mad like her father but I can see no justification for this decision.
As far as her relationship with Tyrion, what’s done is done and time to move on. I think they will have some quality time to spend now that everyone else (other than Varys) have gone up North.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
I think Sam is heading to Winterfell. I don’t know if it will happen this season but the convergence of Sam, Bran and Jon will have great significance in Jon’s future. I would like to see some more Tower of Joy type flashbacks involving Rhaegar and Lyanna, perhaps dealing with the annulment. Maybe Bran will render Sam redundant.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Well, I would like to see this WW issue resolved. There were some scenes filmed in the dragonpit so I have a suspicion that they will make it to KL.
Looking forward to another Stark reunion with Jon, Arya and Bran. I hope the sisters can resolve their differences and take Littlefinger and his creepy machinations out of the picture.
Finally, the onscreen chemistry between Jon and Dany is intense and would like to see it go to the next level.
Is Greyworm rowing back to Dragonstone? Shades of Gendry….
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
Arggghhh! Jon, Tormund, Jorah, Gendry, Sandor ALL untouchable! Beric has died so many times what’s one more? and what is Thoros without Beric? The fire is manifested now in the Dragons. The departure? of Mellisandre and perhaps Thoros would leave Westeros devoid of Red Priests. Do they still have a part to play?
1. The Tarly’s would be too dangerous to leave as living opponents. As for burning them, Drogon was handy so why not.
2. Yea Sam will figure it out. Jon will learn the truth at the most inconvenient time for the alliance between himself and Dany.
3. There seems to be some doubt whether Cersei is really pregnant. After all she is a little old to be having another child and there is that prophecy. For fun, let’s assume that a fertility concoction prepared by Qyburn has allowed her to become pregnant by Jamie. Now Qyburn’s concoctions can have side effects — see the Mountain. So my theory is that Cersei suffers an agonizing death giving birth to a horribly misshapen dwarf that promptly dies after Cersei sees him.
Bonus: Well Jon won’t die, although he does seem to have a death wish. I think the Hound will survive, unless he beomes a wight, is brought back to King’s Landing where he kills the Mountain. I think Jorah survives. Gendry and Tormund are maybes. Beric and Thoros are expendable, so I think they are most likely to die.
1. Burning Tom Hopper could never be a good decision. I cannot tell about her relationship with Tyrion, but my relationship with her has certainly suffered after that.
2.I think the parentage revelation is for next season.
3. I wonder where the Greyjoys are. And would like us to get rid of Littlefinger and Cersei, if possible, although it might be too early.
As for casualties, I think the Brotherhood are done with this world. And Ser Jorah’s goodbye to Daenerys seemed kind of definitive. I worry about Gendry because of the trailer,but it would be stupid to bring him back just to kill him off. Sort of like Osha and Rickon.
The Hound is definately staying and Tormund is the only recognizable wildling, so I think he’ll be ok.
Though in the season trailer there was this shot of Jon standing alone on a small hill facing a sea of zombies which kind of stresses me.
1. Dany’s choice was smart and correct. It ended the battle and prevented her having to take prisoners of war. Does any commander want to have the responsibility of overseeing POW camps during wars. It drains resources.
2. Sam & Gilly do not know about the tower of joy and Lyana’s name was never mentioned on screen. I am still hoping for a Howland Reed appearance to start putting the pieces together.
3. The wolf pack to take out LF and please give us some more insight into the NK his powers and motivations. Jon & Dany meeting the rest of the family…..
4. Thoros, Beric definately the others I do not know. Gendry better not as I am shipping Gendry/Sansa in S8. Finally bringing the Stark Baratheon houses together like their fathers wanted.
I’ve watched the episode countless times already and I keep thinking the same thing with Randyll’s words to Tyrion & Daenerys. He says “Cersei was born in Westeros and lived here her whole life,” while calling Daenerys “a foreign invader with no ties to Westeros.” I know it gets tiring hearing her state her claim and position but that is one time I wanted her to. I wanted her to be all, “No ties!? My ancestors ruled for nearly three centuries! I was born in Westeros! I was forced to flee and hide from continual attempts on my life from the usurper that feared I’d return for the throne he stole. I’d say that makes my ties to Westeros very strong… And now I’ve returned.”
You really want to create chaos between the two Stark sisters, right?
Sou,
IMO. Arya is just not the settling down type…….
I still think she kills Cirsei by taking Jamie’s face – Arya is the Valonquar!
Redx,
Well, you are right there. Still, no matter her type, I think Sansa hooking up with Gendry would irritate Arya. Which leave us to the fact that there are no eligible bachelors for the Lady of Winterfell (couldn’t Dickon just bend the knee, for crying out loud!).
I don’t agree about the Valonquar though. First of all, we cannot really tell if this will be something in the show at all, no relevant prophecy was given show-wise. But I think Jaime killing once more a (mad) regent in order to protect the people is a nice closure for his arc. I won’t expect him to live long after that, though. In a sense, he really has a tragic arc this one.
Sou,
I still think Jaqen and the house of black and white are not quite done with Arya yet. I keep expecting Jaqen to surprise me every episode…..it is coming!
1. On this question, I don’t think it is black and white. Both Dany and Tyrion are right. Dany needed to cow her enemies and let them know she is serious, and Tyrion is right that this method is not all benefits. Yes, people will have the right level of fear of her to counter their fear of Cersei, but the consequences are already being felt as well. Perhaps the Maseters might have been more willing to listen to Sam and Bran for example if Dany had not used her dragon, because now, to them, the dragons are the known threat.
I found it interesting how a bit of a parallel was being set up between Sansa’s efforts to be politically smart in this episode and Tyrion’s. Sansa’s position is morally ambiguous. It is not wrong for her to plan for the possibility that Jon might not come back (given the Stark-Targ history) which means building support for herself. But in the process she is allowing LF to undermine Jon with the help of Royce and Glover and some others. Squashing dissent would be more obviously helpful for Jon, but would alienate Littlefinger who would then choose a new tactic, possibly even abandoning the North with the Vale men. Keeping LF on side means always making him think he is winning.
2. I don’t know why Sam would bring a book documenting the various bowel movements of a now dead maester with him. The only reason he might have, not realizing the importance of the buried information, is that he could not return it easily. But he made a visit to the library to raid the restricted section, so why not return books he thought were useless? The only good reason to keep it would be if little Sam was very attached to his new plaything and screamed when he tried to take it away as toddlers tend to do. I don’t think we can bet on him having the book with him in other words.
3. I am interested to learn the details of how Cersei intends to murder all her enemies a la Red Wedding at the armistice meeting, and if she will succeed again or finally get stopped.
BONUS: I kind of feel like there is WAY too much built up potential in the group that was brought together for them to all just die. Too many interactions were not given any space to bear fruit. Like the Hound eyeing Gendry for example: he is old enough to have known Robert before he got fat and drunk and old. So he knows the resemblance and as they were going out that gate he could not take his eyes off of Gendry. How does that mean anything if they both simply die North of the Wall?
Some of them may survive but be doomed to stay North of the Wall like Benjen…because Benjen arrives and uses magic to stop them becoming part of the army of the dead. I am pretty sure that Beric’s time has come and Jorah’s may have in current form (prime candidate for the Benjen treatment?). The Hound’s story isn’t done yet, nor are Gendry’s (Smith) or Jon’s (King). Tormund may die. Thoros may revive someone other than Beric before dying (if he dies), either Gendry or the Hound.
It is vaguely possible that having previously been revived from death by fire magic, the Benjen treatment would work differently on Jon and Beric than on those who have never died. Or maybe they are somewhat immune from being turned into wights in the first place now. Very interested to find out.
Redx,
Ha ha yes, I strongly believed at one point that Tycho Nestoris would take Cersei’s gold only to reveal himself (to us) as a faceless man, but I haven’t seen Tycho of late so I guess this is not where the show is going…
I don’t think though that Arya can resign to the philosophy and life of the FM. I mean, a girl is Arya Stark.
1. While I think burning people alive is horrific, I think what Dany did was right…in that it worked to get the rest of the soldiers to submit. The Tarleys were given a choice that those who died on the field did not have.
2. I think Sam and Gilly WILL put things together, I just don’t know when that will happen. I doubt Jon will learn about his parentage this season.
3. I feel like much of the Winterfell plot was misdirection, so I hope we get a satisfactory conclusion to it. I really want to learn what’s going on with the Greyjoys, and I’d like to see some justice for Yara’s kidnapping and treatment at the hands of Euron. And, I’m just as weary of Cersei as I am of Littlefinger.
Of those who went beyond the wall, I believe Beric is most likely to die. Tormund and Thoros are a possibility, though I would be sad to see Tormund go. Who would be in control of Eastwatch & lead the free folk in his stead?
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
No, but the sequence of events backed her into that corner. She needs to get a grip on her councillors so they don’t second-guess her in public. However, she is following up on her promise to Break The Wheel of the noble houses of Westeros. Tyrion is a questionmark, he is determined to be in high politics and only came to Daenerys when he became a fugitive in Westeros. He’s not high on the list of trustworthy allies.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
The question of legitimacy and lineage doesn’t really matter at this point, does it? We had Baratheons, fake-Baratheons, Lannisters… Sam will need a new reason to think of Rhaegar as important, otherwise it’s just an curious note on a long dead historic figure. He can only learn this remaining relevance from Bran Stark. We’ll see.
Jon will find out when he meets Bran. Will he? I’m not sure. I think there’d be something amusing in Jon never knowing.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
I want to know if the Night King is actually interesting and has a relevant motive, or if he is just another lame Evil Force. Heading into season eight without anything on that would be a massive disappointment.
I want to see Sansa assert herself and accept the nomination of the lords. Enough with Jon Snow already, take the title. Reconnect with Tyrion. Daenerys and Jon die in the war = Queen Sansa.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
The combination of Gendry’s king’s blood and the Brothers make me fear for his safety. The Brothers themselves also don’t seem long for this world.
Maybe he will show up at the Citadel. In the books there was an FM there for unknown reasons.
Or maybe Cersei will hire and FM to murder one of her enemies. She always finds a way and now she has gold.
I could see Sansa marrying Jaime actually.
I know, instant reaction is to reject the idea, but if the goal is to end the petty war and focus on the real one, while gaining power for herself, then this alliance makes absolute sense. The alliance between the Targ and Stark factions is already building. A Stark and Lannister alliance would complete the triad (a Targ-Lannister alliance would seal it as well).
A Sansa and Jaime match would have the added benefit of leaving their loyalty in question for dramatic tension until the very last minute.
Welp Kit explains:
http://time.com/4903820/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-hat/
To differentiate between people’s faces?
Thats about the dumbest artistic choice I have heard.
Gad there are thousands of movies where people where all kinds of hats , helmets, helms , you name it can one can easily distinguish between peoples faces!
This makes no sense and detracts for the realism , even in an alternate universe!
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
I don’t think it was the right decision at all. With all of Robert’s flaws, one thing people always complimented him was how he quickly forgave his enemies, even the ones who fought until the end. That brought peace to the realm, and she needs to learn to do the same.
Danny just gave her enemies months of propaganda by burning alive the lord of an important house and his heir. People will think of the mad king when they hear it, which is exactly the reputation she was trying to avoid.
Bend the knee or die isn’t a choice. Nothing said with a metaphorical gun to your head is a choice. And now she has a few dozen lords who only bent the knee because they were afraid of being burnt alive – men that are probably wishing her dead and will conspire against her rule at the first opportunity.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
Definitely! I think they were setting it up like they did the Tower of Joy next year. Sam will find out, Bran knows it, but I think Jon will only find out next season. I’m interested in Danny’s reaction to having someone with a better claim than hers.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Jon’s heritage, the hunt, Sansa teaching Arya a lesson about ruling, something interesting happening to Bran, Jaime and Cersei falling apart, Tormund surviving this season (please).
Boojam,
Well, it kind of makes sense, doesn’t it? I mean, we could probably still know who that short guy is, or the monstrously tall one, but go tell between Beric and Gendry with their faces covered.
awol,
Marrying Jaime after being married to Tyrion would be kind of gross. And I don’t think Jaime will outlive his sister long enough.
1. Yes, Dany made it very clear what would happen if the Tarlys didn’t bend the knee. THEY chose their own fate. Btw, I find it ridiculous that loyal bannermen of Olenna and Mace Tyrell would turn cloak to follow the Lannisters after Cersei burned Mace, Loras and Margaery, yet adamantly refuse to bend the knee to Dany.
2. I think first Sam has to find out who Jon’s parents are in order to put the annulment and subsequent second marriage into context, and I have no doubt that once he does that, he will be able to put two and two together.
3. I’m looking forward to what happens North of the Wall and at Winterfell. Nothing else is as interesting to me as those two places and the reasons for the existence of the Others.
Seen a lot of war movies where characters wear helmets all the time and never once had a problem making out each actors face.
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
I think that is was a right decision. She gave them a clear choice and they chose they’d prefer to die instead bending the knee to ‘a foreigner’. (and there aren’t any similarities to her father: he enjoyed burning people for sport and he never gave people a choice). She had to do that to show that she means business and that she isn’t weak. And Randyll was no saint either!
Tyrion is in a tough spot inevitably by his position: he’s with Dany and Dany’s enemies are the Lannisters, who are his family. But he must have known that when he joined her – and I’d like to think that there’s no question about his loyalty. I think what troubles Tyrion is the ‘how’ things are done, not if they must be done. He disagreed with Dany’s choice, because he’d rather her to rule with mercy instead of fear. But at that point and situation I don’t see how Dany could let Randyll run around as her open enemy after he refused the choice she gave him, and thus let the troops defy her too. It would make her weak, and that would make her vulnerable against Cercei who is relentless.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
I certainly do hope so!!! I hope we get a great vision from Bran on the matter too! If Sam’s going to Winterfell and he meets Bran I think it’ll be just a matter of time until they piece things together. The second question is tricky. Jon would have to go back to Winterfell in order for them to tell him – I can’t imagine they send a raven with such information! – and I don’t know if he’ll be back there this season. If he returns I hope they tell him.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
Ugh!!! Only 2 episodes! Ughhhhhh!!!!
I’m looking forward to Jon finding out about his parentage and how this will affect everything. Also the Jon/Dany relatioship and where that leads them. Of course I hype at the potential of Jon becoming a Dragonrider and/or any special abilities he may have; and if indeed he’ll be ‘The Prince’ or Azor Ahai of the prophecy that’ll save the living! (Obviously I’m a huge Jon fan 😀 )
I also hope we finally get rid of LF this season – we really don’t have the time for his scheaming, winter is here. And Arya is there with a brand new-old dagger. Use it Arya!
Definitely still hope (against the odds with the baby stuff I’m afraid) that Jamie will FINALLY leave Cercei for good and join Jon/Dany – and if we’re lucky he will take Bronn with him too.
That said, even if we suppose that all goes well and they bring a wight back at KL (that’ll be a sight!), and there’s a truce, the big question is what happens next? Even if all the troops in Westeros unite as they should of course, they’re still outnumbered, mortal and have no magic. How are they supposed to defeit an enemy that raises the dead as zombie soldiers and he will never have want for troops? They really need some magic working for the side of the living (and I do not mean the dragons, because they are mortal too). Where will the magic come from: this is the part that I’m really looking forward to! In that regard I expect many things from Bran, Mel (Jon, perhaps)- and Sam who may discover something in the history books about that in this season or more likely the next…
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
I strongly object to the death of any of the Magnificent 7!!!
But, yeah, this is GoT.
I’d like to hope that they didn’t bring Ser Jorah and Gendry back just to kill them off, it would be rather pointless. I’d also like to think that Jon is too important to die (he must survive, to the very end I hope). The Hound showed very promising signs as he had a flame vision and I generally feel he will play an important role in the future. I dunno how, but that’s what I think.
So, here we go… Beric I think is not safe this time- or Thoros. If Thoros is lost, then Beric is definitely in danger. Tormund… I love this guy; I hope that he escapes the death count and makes more cute eye contacts to Brienne,though I do fear that he is not safe this time: ‘Watch out!!’
Fierce as a Wolverine,
I really, really want to see this! Cool if it would happen that way!
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
I think she did what any conquering king or queen would do – gave them a choice and let them make it. It was just extra gruesome because… burning alive sucks.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
I can’t imagine they brought that up just to drop it, so yeah. I think Jon will learn about it in the last episode of this season – don’t think there will be time this week!
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to?
I’m REALLY hoping that creepy Arya in the trailer for this week is talking to Littlefinger and that he’s toast by the end of the episode.
I’m also hoping that when Dany finds out who Jon is she recognizes his better claim and offers to help him get the Iron Throne. He won’t want it of course, but I do hope she doesn’t decide he’s an enemy.
But mostly Littlefinger.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die?
Oh man it’s gonna be awful isn’t it? Jon is safe of course. The person I least want to die is the Hound. I really really want him to meet up with Arya and Sansa again. But we don’t get nice things on this show, so I’m pretty worried for him. It’d be interesting to see if Beric goes down – will Thoros be able to revive him again? I don’t think Jorah will die – he just got saved, and surely there’s a reason other than wight fodder. Ugh, can’t they all just live? Pretty please?
I don’t think considerations of grossness really factor into political marriage all that much. The logic of the match stands: It could end the war, while tying in to his ultimate rejection of Cersei.
As for Jaimie’s life expectancy, I really have no idea. It depends entirely on what role he plays as events unfold. Switching sides, ie. marrying Sansa would in fact dramatically increase his likelihood of survival. But even if he did not survive ultimately, that would not preclude a Sansa marriage in the meantime.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage?
The sooner, the better. I want the R+L=J mystery to be over and have the plot move forward to the aftermath when everyone comprehends what the truth is and what Ned hid from his family. Get this mystery over with already!
(then again, it probably won’t happen soon)
Go Sam! Go Bran! Drogon, tell your siblings!
1. Yes
2. No. the Last episode
3. Been a long time since seen Unsullied. they just hanging out at Casterly Rock? What about Septa Unella? Would be good to see her condition
Bonus:
Gendry and Jorah just back, but awfully long goodbye between Dany and Jorah. Think Jorah and either Beric or Thoros
Alba Stark,
I think we’re missing the possibility that five will return, but two will be caught or trapped north of the wall, not killed. Jorah will survive to report as a witness to Dany, who trusts him. Otherwise, why bother to have him recover from Grayscale? I’m guessing that Jon will be trapped, prompting Dany to want to rescue him, turning her attention north, and leaving Arya and Sansa to deal with Cersei.
Clob,
Amen
Agreed…even if Dany couldn’t remember her own words about “There was peace for centuries with Targs in charge” (which is a fucking crock, but this is show lore) she should have said something similar to your suggestion. And if she couldn’t remember, Tyrion should have helped her remember. Tyrion has been an awful adviser to her.
In all seriousness, Tyrion should have been well prepared for “you killed your father” assertions by Westerosi. Lord Tarly had the best line of the scene with his “we make difficult decisions” retort (he chose to side with a Mad Queen and Kingslayer instead of facing his xenophobic bias) but Tyrion could have seized on that with more pro-Dany rationale but he was still flustered by the “father killer” comment.
Hmmm…Tyrion still is not playing an absolutely convincing game since his family is involved (as Dany has noticed).
1. Did Daenerys make the right decision in burning Randyll & Dickon? Will her actions affect her relationship with Tyrion moving forward?
I think she made a decision that was true to her character and yes, she’d kind of laid down the law in a way she couldn’t back out of. I do think the entire thing messed with Tyrion’s head a little though. Especially the burning of Dickon. She’s definitely got the ability to go dark side, clearly.
2. Will Sam and Gilly discover the significance of Rhaegar’s annulment? When will Jon learn the truth about his parentage? I think they read that for us, but I don’t see how Jon will have time with two episodes left to find out this season unless he gets his butt to Winterfell and Bran. It also wouldn’t hurt if Dany went to Winterfell-so she could meet Bran too. I bet Sam was on his way to Winterfell. Feel like that might be a good location for everyone. New rule: Everyone needs to go back to Winterfell so we can get a flashback of Rhaegar and Lyanna! And I can see Arya reunite with Jon and Gendry for reasons.
3. We’ve got 2 episodes left in Season 7 – what theories and potential plot lines are you most looking forward to? The Magnificent Fiery 7 definitely. Hoping they talk while traveling 🙂 I want Sansa, Arya and Bran to lead LF into a trap. I really need at least one of the two people I hate with the fire of a thousand suns to finally die…and Qyburn and the Mountain (I don’t technically hate them but they’re way too helpful to the evil queen, The brains and the brawn). Oh and Jaime MUST break up with his sister. It was time four years ago. Pleasepleaseplease.
AND I am desperate for a Bran flashback. Also I’d like to see Ghost. Just for a minute.
I don’t want much.
BONUS: Who, if anyone, in Jon’s band of brothers beyond the wall will die? I think it’s very possible that Thoros and Beric will die. And the only other one that I hate to even consider but have to is Tormund. I love that ginger wildling but I’m not sure he’s going to make it if the situation gets too dire.
Jorah would only die for something Dany related and/or in sight of her-she’s his character’s entire purpose. Gendry just got back and is the only known blacksmith IN THE WORLD-plus Arya and Baratheon bastard issues. The Hound and Jon are covered in plot armor. Even if they died, they’d come back, thank the gods.
Addition to what I want to see lol
They need to find the spy. I definitely think Dany has a spy in her camp-because Tyrion is pretty smart and those were all great ideas. Remember how well he did as Hand in KL?
Someone is sharing things with Euron or Cersei or Qyburn.
Also what is with Davos and his obsession with Naath, and are those things related?
Oh and I wouldn’t mind Jon riding a dragon.
Okay I’m done.
1. It was justified, but there was a possible compromise. I’m surprised Tyrion didn’t suggest it: Kill Randyll but spare Dickon and take him back to the cells in Dragonstone. For story reasons, they couldn’t do that–surely, Sam is fated to be Lord of Horn Hill. Unfortunately, Dany had to use fire–the remaining solders were too scared of fire to resist her, but some of them might well have undergone beheading. This way she gets more army and a side benefit of saving lives. Tyrion is shaken but will do as Varys suggests: try to get her to listen to him.
2. Sam had forgotten Stannis mentioning dragonglass mines until he saw that old book. Sam will likewise forget about Gilly’s ‘nonsense’ reading. Presumably, he’ll meet Bran at some point. Bran could tell him about Jon’s mother, maybe his father too. That would stir Sam’s memory and he’ll remember they married, making Jon legitimate and an heir. I’d wager a tenner that he doesn’t credit Gilly. IF Jon gets home in Episode 7, it will be then. If not, the first episode of S8,
3. As a Starkist, I cannot wait until Arya and Sansa drop their charade and spring the trap on Littlefinger. D&D could not show us their planning session, but once Arya gave LF that stare, his days were numbered. Sansa already wants him gone, but they know they can’t kill a Lord in their home, if for no other reason than he probably has Guest Right. He’s the most dangerous man in Westeros, as Varys once told someone (Olenna?), and has eyes and ears everywhere. So if they shake his tree, no telling what way he’d strike out. Sansa must be careful to not change her behaviour with him, so Arya has to play Bad Cop. That is why Arya looks bitchy, sinister, and incautious. Being a veteran actress by now, Arya carries it off like she wants an Oscar. Fans who don’t see through their subterfuge are unhappy, so the final reveal and Arya’s complete vindication cannot come soon enough. Be patient. Most likely, D&D are saving the ‘surprise’ for Episode 7, so we can expect accelerated melodrama this week. I wish D&D would at least drop more hints that the sisters are actually executing an elaborate ruse on Littlefinger*.
*If anyone wants to know the signs that hint at the she-wolves’ conspiracy, I’ll be glad to explain.
Bonus: The two or three most expendable story-wise will die, plus the red shirts. IMO, that means Beric and/or Thoros and maybe Tormund.
Redx,
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Arya is probably longing for stability. She rushed home expecting Jon and instead has to deal with the dangerous, conniving, chaos-making Littlefinger. She knows she has to take LF out, and in combination with Sansa and a little intel from their brother, she will. After years of continuous horror, Arya will either settle down with Gendry or lead refugees west of Westeros. Sansa won’t marry Gendry because they are not each other’s types at all. If she marries anyone, BTW, Arya gets Winterfell. Nobody in Westeros is ruling Lord or Lady of two major regions.