Season 5, Episode 2: “The House of Black and White”
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Michael Slovis
Runtime: 56 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Violence
Synopsis: Arya arrives in Braavos. Pod and Brienne run into trouble on the road. Cersei fears for her daughter’s safety in Dorne as Ellaria Sand seeks revenge for Oberyn’s death. Stannis tempts Jon. An adviser tempts Dany.
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Good episode to you all !
I can’t wait to see this in HD….
mau,
Yeah, same for me, there are some scenes I can think of (but wont mention here) that will be amazing in HD !
Arya looking forward to this episode everyone? ‘Cos I am!
Killer episode, and I can’t wait to hear what everyone thinks! Look forward to the discussion! 🙂
Less than 4 hours to go! Should be great. Can’t wait!
I just realized something….
D&D and GRRM both call Cersei Sir-Say…. yet the show pronounces it Sir-see…
So… what is it?
The one day wait for living in the UK hurts, have fun everyone
HelloThere,
I’m going to go with D&D and GRRM … Sir-Say !!!
I’m thinking if I should stay awake and see this on the simulcast, but it’s already 00:36 AM here and I’m sleepy as hell.
I thought Sky Atlantic will start simulcasting the episodes the same time as the US, starting this episode?
ace,
Yes.
Well, if it is that would make it a start time of 2 am in the UK. I suppose if one plans sleep on a Sunday night around watching at that time…
Cannot wait!! Judging by the consensus it’s better than the premiere which I thoroughly enjoyed.
At the moment I’m most looking forward to seeing Arya, and surprisingly for me, Dorne. The featurette they did at The Alcázar of Seville made me think it will be a really cool setting for those scenes.
HelloThere,
I would say Ser-Say (I am Scottish though not American so not sure if that’s why)
Aye Sky Atlantic are showing it at 2am now (pity I have to start work at 9 so will have to wait til later anyway)
As Brienne called out in Season 4:
Arya? Arya!? ARYA!!!!!!!!!!
Finally. Arya arrives. 🙂
HelloThere,
I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s a classic case of American English vs. British English.
GRRM and D&D, being American, pronounce it “Seer-say”. British and Irish fans and actors may naturally pronounce it “Sir-see”.
It’s similar to Catelyn. Most Americans would automatically pronounce it “Kate-lin”, whereas I always saw it as “Cat-lin”, since there’s an Irish name “Caitlin” (pronounced the same way).
I hope Arya featured a lot in this episode (and the rest of the season). I missed her last week so it will be great to see her again
I’m in the US and I always read and said Sir-see and thought it sounded funny hearing GRRM say it the other way. I did however always say Kate-lin. Without the ‘e’ in the spelling I wouldn’t have been confused. 🙂
I am really looking forward to this episode as it has one of my favorite characters in it, Arya.
The season premiere I thought was very enjoyable and am waiting on the rest of the episodes to be as good or even better. From what I have heard about the leaked episodes, they get better and better, so really looking forward to this episode tonight and the rest of the season.
Clob,
I say it differently every time
Sometimes Sirsee, sometmes Sirsay
My most favorite character in glorious HD! And in such an emotional, mysterious scene.
Renegade,
It really is good…I have spoiled myself for the
Looking forward to an amalgamated Ellaria and our steadfast Arya!
Season 3 took until episode 3 for the story to really get going .
but from I have heard about Season 5
episode 2 seems like its going to be a really good one
Sorry sky its on at 2am uk time
Why do we have to wait HBO is westeros not based on the uk
Yung Wolf,
Episode 3 should’ve been titled “The House of Black and White” and not this one, honestly. However, this episode is still great, I think.
Yung Wolf,
Episode was great, my only gripe was
Reading the books, I always pronounced that first C as a hard consonant in my head. “Care Say.”
Then when I realized it was supposed to be a homonym for the mythological sorceress Circe, I thought it was just an unbelievably tacky naming choice. Might as well go all the way and just name her “Yvil’bytch” and have done with it. Bleh.
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Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Seconded.
cihan234678,
Your spoiler is covered for me.
I just reposted that because the way I understood it, it was asking not only to cover spoilers, but label them. I took that to mean if it’s a spoiler from the episode, to mark it as an episode spoiler.
If I’m wrong about that, my apologies.
cihan234678,
And it has a lackluster ending.
Yung Wolf,
haters gonna hate lol
Yung Wolf,
Doran is a boss, too. Great acting. I just wish he had more screen time.
Hopefully he plays a larger role in Dorne in the second half of the season.
Can’t wait! Two more hours and change to go!
I know we already got a taste of Braavos last season, but I look forward to getting more detail this season. It’s one of my favorite locales in the books.
Also looking forward to seeing how they make Dorne come to life. The Jon and Stannis interactions will hopefully be as good as they are in the books. I’m also very curious about what the Brienne and Pod stuff will be.
StandOzone,
StandOzone,
Because everyone else is presumed dead or completely out of her reach. Not to mention that with
Another Michael Slovis episode! Expecting some more really great cinematography especially in Dorne and Braavos. Ready for Arya and some Sand Snakes!
Nothing has been actually labeled yet in the last two weeks as an episode spoiler. I’ve just been doing a Russian roulette thing in viewing spoiler coded posts. I’m not enjoying that in the pre-airing chat thread… but I guess there are only a couple more episodes to put up with it… hopefully.
StandOzone,
Arya! And just one word for this Dayne fan:
DORNE!!!
Soooo excited!!
Hodor’s Bastard,
You and me both, HB!!! Doran too. Too excited for words when it comes to Dorne! #HouseMartellBitches
Ashara D,
Lady Dayne, your peeps are up! Enjoy the reunion 🙂
I’m SO excited to see sexy ass
OH wait. Shit
HelloThere,
You’re forgetting a few who have been forgotten too:
Presumably Arya (and the narrative) phased them out, along with Payne, in order to focus on the main people (Cersei, the Mountain, Walder Frey and, most importantly for this season, Meryn Trant.)
I agree, though, that this probably isn’t a good sign as far as seeing the Brotherhood again goes.
some people are going to be annoyed witht he omission in the opening credits concerning a certain southern region…
I really liked this episode. It is much better than the premier, but not nearly as good as the next 2 episodes.
Episode Spoilers:
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Of the two episodes with Arya in them, the next is much better than this one. I don’t know if getting rid of the worm in the skull bit was budgetary or because they thought it would look too unreal, but what they replaced it with was not interesting. There’s no rhyme or reason to her being rejected and then admitted, so what was the point?
Sean C.,
They could’ve improved on the books, to be honest, by having Jaqen actually be there, since he did promise that he would train her to become a Faceless Man. A pity that’s not what they did. I’m still kinda hoping that the Faceless Man that Arya met in season two appears again. Or, at least, I hope it’s revealed that this Jaqen has the other one’s memories of Arya when he used Jaqen’s face.
1 hour to go!!!
Luka Nieto,
I don’t understand what people want from the LC election. Is that supposed to be riveting television? It was tedious to read in the books and would be even more so if they tried to draw it out on the show.
Sean C.,
Sean C.,
Minor episode spoilers
JamesL,
Yeah, and as others have said it is painfully obvious who is going to win. It’s the sort of scene that is a luxury in the books, but would get criticised by the general audience/critics due to this factor.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Do you think it was given the Cliff Notes treatment because the story needs to move a bit faster due to
Luka Nieto,
Sean C.,
Luka Nieto,
Assorted other thoughs:
On the other hand, there’s the expected plot hole of Brienne not bringing up Arya.
dothrakian raven,
Mistake.
Sean C.,
Tormund’s Woman,
Enjoy it as well, TW. Every time Areo speaks, grunts or swings his glaive, we drink!
Hodor’s Bastard,
Two shots tonight then, I believe 😛
Sean C.,
And also the missed opportunity of
Maybe I would have liked Stannis’s offer to Jon to have slightly longer to breathe, but that’s really my only quibble with the entire sequence. Ultimately Jon refuses the offer, so any time spent dwelling on it in the interim ultimately doesn’t amount to much (and they do follow up on it in the next episode).
Luka Nieto,
Luka Nieto,
Well, we’re going to have to find more excuses to drink then!
dothrakian raven,
Pigeon,
Jared,
Obviously it’s all a set up so that we have an idea of who the stone men are when they show up; instead of living in the ruins of Chroyane, the stone men in the show will live in the ruins of Valyria, and Jorah will probably decide to go through the peninsula instead of around it as a short-cut, and they will be attacked because of it. They wanted the stone men, but without Griff and the others it couldn’t be done (Varys isn’t exactly a fighter.) It had to be with Jorah, and the only way to do it was to relocate the stone men. And what’s better than relocating them to Valyria?
Honestly, in retrospect, that should’ve been in the books as well. Tyrion sailing through Valyria! That would’ve been really cool, and more meaningful than any old ruin. Valyria is a mystery and I’m happy we’ll get to see in the show, while Tyrion only saw the peninsula from a distance in the books.
Fingers crossed that HBO Go works tonight! I didn’t have any problems last week. Other than it not showing up until a few minutes after air time.
Clob,
Yeah, I haven’t uncovered a single thing on this thread, yet I just found out something that’s going to happen in this episode from reading the stuff no one covered. FUCK!!!
One of Roose Bolton’s leeches,
Thank you so much for the “episode spoiler” note!!!
That’s how it’s done, people.
That didn’t take long….absurd fan fiction by Benioff and Weiss in the second scene. Just when I don’t think they can get any worse, they outdo themselves.
I still don’t get why the nights watch seems unconcerned about the white walkers still lol
Shane Snow,
White Walkers=slowest army ever. 😀 I wouldn’t worry about them either.Even Dany will be in Westeros much quicker.
Geralt of Rivia,
srsly
Wow, amazing episode!
Every storyline was good!
Loved it!
Young Griff
Well, I quite enjoyed the episode.
its done….
lovely drogon…
sad scene
Young Griff,
And so it begins… It’s an adaptation. If you aren’t happy with it, quit watching. Why risk the books being spoiled for something you don’t like?
Arthur,
Calm down, bro. You know it wasn’t that good.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I enjoyed it too, even more so on my second viewing.
Was I the only one who thought of The Man Who Would Be King at the end of this?
I’m not feeling the dorne scenes they feel out of place
I really enjoyed the episode. Had no issue with the Lord Commander election. Sam was effective and I loved it.
My girl, Shireen, was awesome. Selyse scares me and she better not touch a hair on Shireen’s head. A discussion about greyscale…
And Jaqen who isn’t Jaqen!
The return of Tom Wlaschiha’s face, in addition to being aesthetically pleasing, I think is also going to result in some really nice connection to earlier seasons for non-book people. Love that they came right out and said, “I’m not Jaqen.”
THAT EPISODE WAS SOOOOO GOOOD IT WAS SO ACTION PACKED????? WOW
Also as a law student I loved Dany upholding the Rule of Law, even if a man should be tried by his peers and not by a monarch to avoid arbitrariness….
+1 for Sansa to try ale :o) Hahaha
Yung Wolf,
Let the guy have his opinion. You certainly expect people to allow you yours.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing it again and catching everything I inevitably missed.
Shane Snow,
I loved Doran. I’m still not sure where it is going, but Siddig is great.
Mormont,
u wot m8
Besides the Inn scene and the following chase/fight, which part was “action packed”?
Lyanna Mormont mentioned.That’s all I am saying.
Awesome episode.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I should have known better than to come here post-episode.
The hype is real and it’s clouding everyone’s judgment.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Yea I actually like him mostly due to me knowing how good an actor he can be. The rest tho idk, I’ve seen the other episodes with the sand snakes and didn’t feel like they fit but well see
Shane Snow,
I was looking forward to Dorne as much as almost anything else, and while I wouldn’t say they felt out of place to me, I was hoping for a bit more than that brief introduction. I think, once we see more of it (or once I see more of it, not to speak for anyone else), it will seem to fit more than it does, at present.
Yung Wolf,
Or, some people have a different opinion than you do.
loved it all
Drogon took a look and a wiff of that platinum-haired, naive girl who once called herself “mother” and scoffed. “You ain’t ready for me, beeaaach!”
He knows.
Shane Snow,
I am interested in
And just like that,
has become disappointing to me. Boo.
Yung Wolf,
I first watched the episode nearly a week ago. I liked it then and it was better when I watched it again tonight. Maybe try and understand that people can have opinions that differ from yours.
Geralt of Rivia,
Loved the {episode spoiler}
🙂
Tyrion Pimpslap,
I like the way you put that. Siddig, as I figured he would, seemed perfect. I think the rest will come along.
Pigeon,
I guess she didn’t get the memo that they don’t harm little girls in Dorne.
Well, I enjoyed that. I like the little Brienne & Pod adventure. It dragged far too much in the books, so I’m happy that she has at least found both Stark girls.
Recap Thread is up:
https://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-2-the-house-of-black-and-white-recap/
mariamb,
I agree on all of your points. Didn’t mind Sam jumping in and getting the ball rolling, and Aemon breaking the tie was cool. Heartbreaking hearing Stannis offer Jon his oldest desire. Greyscale rearing it’s ugly head…;) Also loved the Brienne and Pod interactions. Sansa playing with Littlefinger. Varys and Tyrion in a box! Uncle Barry’s cautionary tales! Drogon! Not enough of an intro to Dorne…perhaps more next week?
Everything was good and seemed to fit the tvWorld. I’ll have to rewatch for performances. I used to spend my first watch seeing what wasn’t from the books; now I’m distracted by, “Is this all new, or from WoW?” Geesh!
ash,
Nope. Me too.
Dying to see inside the HoBaW next week. Was that The Waif speaking over the coming attractions? And next week: Inside Bolton Manor…duh duh duh!
Ashara D,
I think it was she. At least I had the exact same thought.
There were so many moments in this episode I loved, almost every post I read reminds me of another one. 🙂
Beautiful ~ loved every minute of it. And they all looked so good – Dany looks beautiful and soft again (finally); Daario is gorgeous and smart; Bronn all dressed up; Brienne in her new armour; and even Qyburn got a new haircut. When Dany was looking at Drogon, it reminded me of Ann Darrow (Naomi Watts) looking up at Kong ~ tears. This is going to be a great season. And Tom Wlaschiha is back ~ almost too good to be true.
Just several thoughts on tonight ep:
Stannis/ Jon/ Davos scene was excellent as far as I’m concerned. And there was temptation.
The North is still the best part so far. Meereen is good with a tight, strong story. Vale story is still weak, but no doubt it will pick up.
And Drogon made quite an entrance. I thought it was awesome he showed up when Dany was at her lowest. Shows they still have THE bond. Or maybe it was just a coincidence 😛
Geralt of Rivia,
Yelled like a little girl at “Lyanna Mormont”!
Hodor’s Bastard,
Once. But not to worry. I have a feeling we’ll be doing some multiple shots this season at some point LOL That glaive looked mean and has a purpose…
I thought that was spectacular myself.
I’m feeling Dany’s relationship to the dragons in a way that I never quite did reading the books. Interesting.
This was the weakest episode of the entire series that I can recall. Other than the LC election and our glimpses at Braavos and Dorne, I just wasn’t feeling it this week. And Dany’s story is as horrific on screen as it is on the page. She took a page right out of Robb Stark’s playbook when he executed Rickard Karstark but the outcome for her will obviously be much different. And at least in Robb’s case, the man who passed the sentence was the one who swung the sword. She couldn’t even get that right.
I cheered at the Lyanna Mormont shoutout and her missive to Stannis, and enjoyed Lollys’ appearance. The meeting of Brienne and Sansa/Petyr was an interesting twist; I liked it, though I do fear for TriPod’s safety 🙁
But after it was all over I felt let down. Like AFfC and ADwD, it felt like pieces being moved around the board.
Love! And I loved the Titan of Braavos.
The vistas of Dorne were nice, but it feels like it could take a while to really get into that scene. My favorite Sand Snake is Sarella, and we won’t get to see her, I fear, for a long, long while.
Ser Osis of Liver,
Well, pieces are being moved around. I thought this episode was much better than the first, and nowhere near the weakest. I would rate it as the second best second episode, behind only last season’s second episode, which featured the Purple Wedding.
So Brienne’s following Sansa, and Sansa’s going to Winterfell.
And Stannis is going to attack Winterfell. And Brienne is going to be nearby.
Is nobody else seeing where this is going?
A good episode that felt very much like an early-season episode, too.
We also did visit with a lot of people this time around, even though they collapsed the cast a bit having Brienne and Sansa actually meet up.
The Arya stuff was very good. Sansa too. Brienne gets a nice kill there plunging the sword through that dude’s neck. But really, and I’m surprised to say it, Meereen was the highlight for me.
I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the episode. Just out of curiosity, though, what would you say Dany ought to have done?
Not meant as a ‘gotcha’ question or anything like that. I’m just curious.
Ser Osis of Liver,
The idea that “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword” is stupid and clearly doesn’t apply to every ruler. What, should Dany have attempted to whack away at the man’s neck with a long sword? She did him a mercy by giving him a swift, clean death.
In my opinion, the show has progressively gotten worse since season 2 and it reached rock bottom tonight. I thought this episode was the worst of the series by a landslide. Benioff and Weiss plain and simply cannot write. They are in over their heads with this fan fiction. Again, this is just my opinion.
Tormund’s Woman,
And that grin from Jon. 😀 They should’ve give Jon more time to consider it,because next scene is LC election.That could be my only complain about the Wall scenes,because LC election was solid.Efficient and pretty good speech from Sam.
red viper,
Actually, GRRM says Sear-say
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Clearly, but I’m not wrong and you’re doing nobody any favors by pointing out the obvious.
I thought this was a place to rationally discuss GoT and that criticism was welcome, but apparently not.
Young Griff,
Many, many of the people here appeared to have thoroughly enjoyed the episode. I count myself as one of them. It’s a shame you didn’t. 🙁
Young Griff,
Tell ’em. It’s a good thing you stated that it’s just your opinion, or else you would be persecuted.
I think the show is better than the books, especially now that they’re cutting down on the Feast & Dance filler and getting on with the real story. Too bad GRRM couldn’t manage that in the last 15 years.
Young Griff,
And I suppose you’ll stop watching, as any reasonable person would?
Yung Wolf,
Most people don’t consider their own opinions wrong, and I wasn’t trying to do anyone any favors.
If you want to claim criticism is not welcome because someone disagrees with your opinion, imo, that doesn’t exactly demonstrate much ability for rational discussion on your part.
Edit: And now you’re being “persecuted???”
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha…
Who goes on a fan site to bitch about that which we are a fan of? If you think the show sucks and has progressively gotten worse over the course of the last 4 years(!) why continue to watch? Why spend the time posting about it on a fan site where you know 95+ percent of the people will disagree with you? Season 5 is a 91/100 on metacritic. It is 100% on rotten tomatoes. The professional critics, who watch and judge tv shows, including the writing, all say the first 4 episodes are as good as ever. Sooner or later, the consensus is closer to the truth, and you either have to accept it or move on. It’s okay that you don’t like it, it really is, but don’t expect to change our minds.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I never claimed to be persecuted.
Strong reading comprehension there.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Being a fan of something doesn’t necessarily mean that you need to agree with every decision made by the producers or be ecstatic over every scene.
This episode wasn’t terrible, but it was mediocre and a lot of poor decisions were made.
“However, that is just my opinion.”
Yung Wolf,
Thank you. I appreciate the compliment.
Yung Wolf,
I was mostly speaking to Young Griff. The type of poster who shits on everything. I have criticized parts of the show in the past (see season 2 and the Jaime/Cersei sept scene, among others), but I do try to judge the show as a show, and not just a checklist of plot points from the books.
Oh, yes. This particular squabble is fun, isn’t it? I can never get enough of it. I’m just thrilled that it appears in every last thread on this site.
Yung Wolf,
I do enjoy reading criticism. But all you said was that you thought it was awful and “absurd fanfic.” That’s…not really criticism, is it? It’s hardly something that lends itself to discussion. Perhaps if you explained exactly what you didn’t like about it, or what about the scenes you found ‘absurd’ (or, for that matter, whether you feel departing from the books — which is what I assume you mean by “fanfic” — is an inherently bad thing for the show or not; and if so, then why), then we’d be having an actual discussion right now, rather than a stupid repetitive squabble.
afartherroom,
You’re confusing my posts with someone else’s. I never said it was an “absurd fanfic” anywhere.
Regarding this and future episodes (minor point):
Yung Wolf,
You’re right. I got my young’uns confused and conflated you with Young Griff. My apologies. That was careless of me, and I’m sorry.
I loved Lyanna Mormont’s letter. I loved that it was clearly written in childish scrawl and also provides a reminder that the Mormonts are northerners.