Carice van Houten teases winter and Liam Cunningham calls Season 6 “astonishing”

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Following the title reveal of the Season 6 premiere and enticing clip shown on Conan, Carice van Houten and Liam Cunningham keep the fires burning in anticipation for the newest season of Game of Thrones.

With Entertainment Weekly, Carice van Houten reviews her character’s choices last season and new character arc in season 6. She then examines the Red Woman’s crisis of fate at The Telegraph. Also with Entertainment Weekly, Liam Cunningham calls Season 6 “astonishing.”

Surrounding what Melisandre did to Shireen last season, fan outbursts were at an all time high. Carice van Houten recalls death threats made to her character after.

I didn’t win a lot of sympathy points there. I got a lot of death threats to my character. “Die bitch, when are you gonna f–king die” – that I heard a lot. It’s nice that people are so worked up about it. It’s fair to say it wasn’t a friendly act.

She even touches on the theories about Jon Snow:

When he died, a lot of people who wanted to kill me after episode 9 came back and said, “We’ll forgive you if you resurrect Jon Snow!”

On Melisandre this season, Carice comments on a new direction for her character.

The arc of my character is finally going into a different direction. It’s changing and I really like it. We see her from a really different side of her now.

It will certainly be exciting to see a different side to Melisandre this season. Check out Entertainment Weekly where van Houten elaborates more on her character’s new role!

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The Telegraph focuses on the aftermath of Melisandre’s faith in Stannis and the crisis she faces following “Mother’s Mercy.”

It’s the moment I have been waiting for as an actor because I have built up this stern, in control, fanatical character, who had this really clear mission. All of a sudden, by sacrificing this poor girl, we now see that her methods didn’t work. This has thrown her completely. It’s the first time that we get a little bit of a look inside the kitchen, as we say in Holland.

She comments on her character’s shaken psyche that allows herself to convey more emotion as an actor. She even gives us a tease for Season 6:

We start off with that in season six and – this is only “spoiler” I can give away – all of a sudden Melisandre is cold. She’s never cold! But at the beginning of season six, she has this bear skin around her to keep her warm. She is completely confused. She’s messy, she does not look as contained as she always does.

Could that be because…Winter is Coming?

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Van Houten goes into that scene with Shireen, Melisandre’s sexuality, manipulation, and power, and also feeling sympathy for her new position over at The Telegraph.


Liam Cunningham has been revving the promotional engine for season 6 even before his mic drop moment in the first trailer. He continues this streak with Entertainment Weekly where he praises the new season and calls it “astonishing.”

This season’s cool because it resets the chess board and people get partnered with new people. Last year it was ‘worlds colliding.’ This year, it’s almost like you’re in a different drama series. There are new plans – and they’re enormous plans. There are new loyalties. There are new tensions. There are tensions between people where there were not tensions before. The words on the page are as delicious as what we’ve had in the past. And it’s culminating in some of the most remarkable television that’s ever been made. It’s astonishing.

As if we already couldn’t wait! He talks more Davos, his relationship with Stannis, and his new role, in Entertainment Weekly.

These may be the longest (16) waiting days ever for the Game of Thrones fandom but with the cast advocating for the season so, it’ll be well worth the wait. What are your thoughts? Let us know below!

113 Comments

  1. Connor,

    It will be as epic as when Arthur and his Knights got to Camelot in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.”

    Maybe more so….

  2. “I didn’t win a lot of sympathy points there. I got a lot of death threats to my character. “Die bitch, when are you gonna f–king die” – that I heard a lot.”

    Some people are just messed up. I feel so bad for Carice.

  3. I’ll just toss this totally stupid idea out there – just because this whole “Jon Snow” thing has me FEELING totally stupid: what if Kit Harrington is telling the truth about not being back AND what if Melisandre’s “new” direction is that Jon warged into HER and now Carice gets to stretch her acting by playing Jon in a hot female body…

    I know nothing, Jon Snow… (hey, I SAID it was stupid – 4/24 HURRY!!!!!!!)

  4. Flayed Potatoes:
    “I didn’t win a lot of sympathy points there. I got a lot of death threats to my character. “Die bitch, when are you gonna f–king die” – that I heard a lot.”

    Some people are just messed up. I feel so bad for Carice.

    Well, on the positive side, those people are referring to her character. Not that it makes such behavior excusable, but hey, what can you do. Now when these, to quote Karl the fookin’ legend Tanner, ballsacks regularly issue death threats and talk in the vilest imaginable terms about Benioff, Weiss, and Cogman, that’s a whole another thing.

  5. So, Melisandre will feel the cold for the first time early in the season. It’s probably just temporary. Interesting. That explains why she’s wearing the fur in the trailer. She must be shaken to her core. Has her lord completely abandoned her? I can’t wait for when (if?) she finally sees the light. But will she be a humble Mel?

  6. Cunningham and van Houten are two of the coolest actors in the show, for sure. It’s lovely hearing so much from them this year.

  7. Stirring things:
    I’ll just toss this totally stupid idea out there – just because this whole “Jon Snow” thing has me FEELING totally stupid: what if Kit Harrington is telling the truth about not being back AND what if Melisandre’s “new” direction is that Jon warded into HER and now Carice gets to stretch her acting by playing Jon in a hot female body…

    I know nothing, Jon Snow… (hey, I SAID it was stupid – 4/24 HURRY!!!!!!!)

    What

  8. Stirring things:
    I’ll just toss this totally stupid idea out there – just because this whole “Jon Snow” thing has me FEELING totally stupid: what if Kit Harrington is telling the truth about not being back AND what if Melisandre’s “new” direction is that Jon warded into HER and now Carice gets to stretch her acting by playing Jon in a hot female body…

    I know nothing, Jon Snow… (hey, I SAID it was stupid – 4/24 HURRY!!!!!!!)

    I’ve had this really horrifying totally-senseless thought that she somehow winds up being played by Kit Harington by way of glimmer or something equally ridiculous. Jon Snow is dead and Jon Stark/Targaryen is dead too; Jon Melisandre is who survives.

    >_>

    Yeahhhhh, I doubt it too.

  9. Is she now cold because R’hllor abandoned her? Or is it because the White Walkers are closing in and that is what’s causing her warmth to go away?

    These are going to be a looooongggggggg 15 days…

  10. Luckily for Melisandre, fictional characters don’t have to worry about death threats unless they come from the writers.

    When Thoros resurrected Beric Dondarrion, his faith in the LOL was renewed. It was the pinnacle of his priestly powers. Carice’s statements about Melisandre being cold for the first time, losing her powers, and questioning her faith don’t seem to line up with the aftermath of resurrecting someone.

  11. Usually when something gets hyped this much it ends up sucking…like Dark Knight Rises or any Ryan Reynolds movie. Well…judging by how awesome that Conan clip was, this will probably be an exception.

  12. Young Dragon:
    Flayed Potatoes,

    I heard something similar happened with Jack Gleeson, which is why he quit acting.

    It wasn’t because he was a lousy actor? A stupid, unpredictable, sociopathic boy-king is about the easiest kind of character to play — just shout a lot and issue cruel orders without showing emotion. Gleeson still couldn’t do it believably. His belabored attempts at appearing outraged, particularly in conversations with Tyrion, really took me out of the scene… when those should have been some of the best scenes in the show.

    Joey:
    Usually when something gets hyped this much it ends up sucking…like Dark Knight Rises or any Ryan Reynolds movie.

    Or the Sand Snakes?

  13. crimethink,

    Disagree. He did a great job. No idea how good he would be in a different role, but he was an awesome Joffrey. Every time he said “my lady”, I wanted to punch him in the face.

  14. Speaking of Jack Gleeson, I have a funny feeling as to why we’re hearing so much from Carice and Liam these past few days, and I’m not liking it. Hope that I’m wrong about both of those.

  15. Mr Fixit: Well, on the positive side, those people are referring to her character. Not that it makes such behavior excusable, but hey, what can you do. Now when these, to quote Karl the fookin’ legend Tanner, ballsacks regularly issue death threats and talk in the vilest imaginable terms about Benioff, Weiss, and Cogman, that’s a whole another thing.

    Character or not it’s still worrisome because there’s no difference made between fiction and real life, and fanatics can be dangerous. I don’t get your second point…I wouldn’t compare the threats different people get and say some are worse than others.

  16. Young Dragon:
    Flayed Potatoes,

    I heard something similar happened with Jack Gleeson, which is why he quit acting.

    Jack never quit acting because of that, and from what I know he didn’t have to deal with death threats.

    The only actors on the show who I know got a lot of hate from fans because of their characters are Lena and Carice.

  17. Stirring things:
    I’ll just toss this totally stupid idea out there – just because this whole “Jon Snow” thing has me FEELING totally stupid: what if Kit Harrington is telling the truth about not being back AND what if Melisandre’s “new” direction is that Jon warged into HER and now Carice gets to stretch her acting by playing Jon in a hot female body…

    I know nothing, Jon Snow… (hey, I SAID it was stupid – 4/24 HURRY!!!!!!!)

    No.

  18. Ser Podrick:
    crimethink,

    Disagree. He did a great job. No idea how good he would be in a different role, but he was an awesome Joffrey. Every time he said “my lady”, I wanted to punch him in the face.

    Reading the books already made me want to punch Joffrey in the face, so that’s not much of an accomplishment for the actor.

    You didn’t have a problem with Gleeson’s ridiculous grimacing and MECHANICALLY!….DELIVERED!….SHOUTING! when he was trying to portray anger? The entire scene after he got hit with the cowpie in the riots he had that silly contorted face.

  19. crimethink,

    Jack Gleeson was an incredible Joffrey. He brought so much more to the character than what was in the books, and the show misses his presence.

  20. If it’s supposed to be a fake out than it’s working on me because I’m not on board the Melisande resurrects Jon Snow train anymore. I DO think Jon is returning though, so I’m very curious to see how this plays out. I just no longer think it’s because of her.

  21. crimethink,

    I, too, think Gleeson did a great job. In fact, at least from what I’ve read, the majority of viewers feel the same way. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don’t think you’ll find many who agree with it.

  22. The Davos clip, lends credence itself to an idea I had some time ago. Did you notice the sword was beginning to glow red and begin to smoke in the last seconds of the clip? (Just as described for Lightbringer in the books). Then recall in the publicly released trailer – Mel opening her gown with sadness and almost tears. In the books Lightbringer was created when Azor Ahai thrust his sword into Nissa Nissa’s heart. Kind of gruesome, but that would be interesting if Jon Snow’s sword was to become a true ‘Sword of Light’. And then take it a step further, if Mel is laid on the same pyre as Jon Snow .. boom, the same resurrection as Dany.

  23. My theory is Mel goes cold when Jon dies. Her warmth is powered by her King. That unusual warmth might just run hot enough to forge a sword, I dunno, but I bet it comes back when he does.

  24. I think we are due for another unannounced trailer really soon.

    That finished cut of Ghost looked so good I can’t wait to see more shinny new polished up finished cuts, be it trailer snippets or talk show clips.

    HBO will be in full marketing mode now and the subscriptions are going to start pouring in to see GoT.

  25. Why must Mel be the one to resurrect Jon? It would be better were she to fail, and fail….. Would she even think of Jon being able to warg into Ghost? I can’t be sure she would.
    There’s more to be done with Mel having to re-assess her faith. Did her Lord leave her? Was she as capable of casting those important spells as she thought?

    Don’t rush to wish Night’s King knocks on the door of Castle Black. Before anything else, we have to see a major blow to White Walker Army. We’ve only seen isolated incidents – dragonglass & Valyrian Steel involved. There is very little of either at The Wall.
    Don’t forget about another couple of seasons following the upcoming.

    Would you keep all eggs in one basket? Do you want your cake and eat? (So soon?)

  26. ser davos is driving the hype train…and he is doing a great job…..but i really really hope………they haven’t gone for the spectacular and big and epic in favor of good storytelling..and logic in the story…you need big epic but it needs to be smart…………so far so good …. but i am a little worried

  27. Sean C.,

    I thought Jack stepped away from movie and TV projects to finish school and focus on his repertory company, Collapsing Horse. He’s still acting.

  28. Wilber’s Forza Danza: Why must Mel be the one to resurrect Jon? It would be better were she to fail, and fail

    Priests of the Red God are the only device introduced on the show (or in the books) for reviving the dead. Using a device to which we never have been introduced would be really horrible story-telling. After all, what was the last time you saw “Deus ex Machina” used to praise storytelling?

  29. Wimsey: Priests of the Red God are the only device introduced on the show (or in the books) for reviving the dead.Using a device to which we never have been introduced would be really horrible story-telling.After all, what was the last time you saw “Deus ex Machina” used to praise storytelling?

    I still don’t understand how you can put this much effort into a series that you seem to not understand…

  30. GeekFurious: I still don’t understand how you can put this much effort into a series that you seem to not understand

    What, pray tell, do I fail to understand? At any rate, this has nothing to do with this particular story (or set of stories). This has to do with storytelling. At this point, any alternative other than Mel would be Deus ex Machina: and that is horrible storytelling.

  31. Jon Snow is too much of an iconic name to change 6 years in. Whatever happens, I think he’ll still be called Jon Snow.

  32. Maybe Melisandre’s powers are directly proporcional to her emotional state and to her faith in R’hllor.
    Since her debut, her faith has been unwavering, and therefore her powers have been strong. Now that Stannis is gone, she has started to question her faith, and therefore, for the first time in a long while, she is feeling cold.

  33. Jack Bauer 24: Jon Snow is too much of an iconic name to change 6 years in. Whatever happens, I think he’ll still be called Jon Snow.

    And, again, it’s an issue of storytelling. Story is created by character evolution. If Jon ceases to be Jon, then it undermines the story. It is one thing to kill off characters that are protagonists in the first “act” or who just become protagonists in the second: but those few characters who have been the heart of the story from the start now are carrying it.

  34. Wimsey,

    Haha, we rarely agree I think, but anything other than Mel… true – Deus ex Machina. Or at least, anything other than someone turning to the Red God. Davos maybe, even by accident? Nah…

    Pigeon,
    OMG that’s exactly where I went with that.. it’s LoL not LOL LOL…

  35. I thought Gleeson quit acting because 1) he was interested in scholarship as a career, 2) the way he was worshipped as a celebrity just for being on GOT creeped him out and 3) acting professionally sucked the fun out of it for him.

  36. Wow, she’s really beautiful even more so off set. Her voice is like double fudge chocolate cake. I’m just sayin. You were thinking it too bruh


  37. Randa Noyce: My theory is Mel goes cold when Jon dies.

    Yeah, I agree about that. R’hllor keeps trying to give her hints….she sees snow in the flames, snow falls heavily when they arrive and leave CB, Mormont’s raven keeps repeating “snow, snow, snow…”, Jon’s direwolf’s eyes are red, Jon rejects her advances (not so easily seduced by power, unlike her false king) and now her internal fire has gone out upon his death. Must R’hllor start throwing snowballs at her for her to understand her mission? 🙂

  38. Wimsey: What, pray tell, do I fail to understand?At any rate, this has nothing to do with this particular story (or set of stories).This has to do with storytelling.At this point, any alternative other than Mel would be Deus ex Machina: and that is horrible storytelling.

    There has also been resurrection via white walker, human sacrifice (Dany), and mad scientists. It wouldn’t necessarily be Deus ex Machina if it were an alternative other than Mel, as different types of magic have been established in this universe. Even if a Red God resurrection occurs, it will be of a different variety, unless you expect Jon will come back as a shadow of his former self like Beric and a certain book-only character. Whether it’s Mel or not, this resurrection will be unique, I imagine.

    Further, if he’s not brought back in Episode 1, you can expect that the groundwork will be laid for his particular form of resurrection this season.

  39. Is it just me or is anyone else getting bored of hearing the same stuff again and again from Carice and Liam? Come on you two, give us something new!

  40. Gatsby: There has also been resurrection via white walker, human sacrifice (Dany), and mad scientists.

    None of those are resurrections. Zombies are not resurrected: they are animated corpses devoid of minds, never mind personalities. Daeny was not resurrected: she didn’t die. The Mad Scientist has not brought anybody back to life: he’s kept someone alive who was on the brink of death and who should have died.

    As for Jon coming back as a shadow of his old self, that need not be the case. Beric is (or was) becoming a shadow of himself, but he’s been revived several times: and he notes that he loses more of himself each time. Well, Jon is only going to be revived once.

    Gatsby: Whether it’s Mel or not, this resurrection will be unique, I imagine.

    Do not imagine: that is the job of the storytellers! When storytellers do their jobs properly, then either you see it coming or (better still) you slap yourself in the forehead and think: “damn: I should have seen it coming.” This will be the latter for most people. (Remember, they have not seen a revival for 3 years.)

  41. Hodors Bastard: Jon rejects her advances (not so easily seduced by power, unlike her false king)

    heh, it might have had more to do with the fact that Jon had had satisfying sex in the past two decades, whereas Stannis…..

  42. If Mel is cold, surely she’ll stand by a fire to warm up. Maybe the flames will turn blue & she’ll hear a voice.

  43. Wimsey,

    We don’t exactly know all that happened to Dany in the pyre. I mean she survived an entire night in a raging inferno. How did she breathe? Did she cease to breathe all night? It’s one thing to not be burned by flames, but inhaling and being deprived of oxygen for a night? She could’ve gone into some other state that isn’t exactly alive and been reborn in the flames. She has dreams of a dragon’s flames washing over her and healing her after all.

  44. Stirring things:
    I’ll just toss this totally stupid idea out there – just because this whole “Jon Snow” thing has me FEELING totally stupid: what if Kit Harrington is telling the truth about not being back AND what if Melisandre’s “new” direction is that Jon warged into HER and now Carice gets to stretch her acting by playing Jon in a hot female body…

    I know nothing, Jon Snow… (hey, I SAID it was stupid – 4/24 HURRY!!!!!!!)

    That actually makes sense. Thats why we see Mel taking off her chlothes with an uncomftarable look on her face in the trailer. It´s actually Jon in Mel´s body preparing to see her tits this time as HIS tits (and play with them).
    He is going to have sex with his dead body and ressurect in that way.

    It also explains Mel wearing furs and having a sour depressed emo face all the time.

    My god man i think your on to something here!

    #thumbsup
    #goodtheory
    #itsearlyinthemoarningandimbored
    #LOL
    #NOONEUNDDERSTANDS

  45. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
    crimethink,

    I, too, think Gleeson did a great job.In fact, at least from what I’ve read, the majority of viewers feel the same way.You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don’t think you’ll find many who agree with it.

    That blonde kid from Rome series would been a better fit for Joffrey.
    He had that normal / asshole vibe clearly devided what the books i think aimed for.

    I feel Jacks interpretation of Joffrey was Joff being an “asshole all the time”. Not for one second since we first saw him on screen did i tought hey its just a young kid give him a break.

    #justmytoughtsdontlinchme
    #NOONEUNDERSTANDS

  46. Jack Bauer 24,

    He has been called so far by diffrent peoplein the TV series

    Season 1 – Jon (by family) / Bastard (Thorne) / Lord Snow (Thorne)
    Season 2 – Jon (NW) / Jun Snuh (Yigert), Crow (wildlings)
    Season 3 – Jun Snuh (Yigert), Crow (wildlings)
    Season 4 – Jon, Bastard, Turncloak
    Season 5 – Jon, Lord Commander (NW) / Bastard of Winterfell (Melissandre) and most importantly “King Crow” at Hardhome.

    Se yea ANOTHER name change for Jon would´t be a big deal.

  47. Quinton O’Connor (formerly Jeff O’Connor! No more!):
    Cunningham and van Houten are two of the coolest actors in the show, for sure. It’s lovely hearing so much from them this year.

    Has HBO put them front and center in promotions as much as they have this season? It doesn’t seem like it to me. They must have either a big season, or a huge first episode, or both.

  48. “… She then examines the Red Woman’s crisis of fate at The Telegraph…”

    I think the author means “faith”…come on WotW, it’s not enough to just spell check, you need to proofread.

  49. JF, still 15 days? We’re not even at 90% of the 112-day counter yet? This is like downloading a system update over a 55.6kb modem.

  50. It’s a damned shame she is going to be the first major casualty of season 6. I hoped she’ll live on at Jon’s side, but all the evidence points to her dying to let Jon live. It also makes sense for her character, that after she’s finally realized what she’s done and how terible she is, she’ll have a redeeming moment just before her death (because nothing she could ever do will absolve her of the punishment).

    Just speculation…

  51. crimethink: ders without showing emotion. Gleeson still couldn’t do it

    Lol. You are retarded and I’am not even joking.

    After sean bean, jack gleeson had the best acting performance in this series.

  52. I am always confused when people cite Beric being “a shadow of himself” or “different” after being resurrected as a reason for why Jon will be an entirely different person if he is resurrected. Beric says that he loses pieces of himself each time he is brought back… And he is brought back, what, six times? And yet when we see him, he’s clearly still a decent man–at least, not uncharacteristically vicious or cold–and not so entirely different from his former self. Sure, we also see LSH, who is definitely an entirely different entity from Catelyn Stark, but that by no means tells us Jon would or must become somehow entirely unlike himself after being resurrected. If his resurrection is like Beric’s, then we can guess that he will still be much like his former self, with perhaps only minor changes, and with him having gone through something that will foster his ongoing evolution as a character. Yet so commonly you see people claiming that Jon must be very different, must have really lost pieces of himself… Despite all the evidence to the contrary that Beric presents us with.

  53. jentario,

    She will live till Ep 5 atleast. The pic of Mel that was released is from ep 5. So it looks like she will survive Jon’s resurrection atleast
  54. The tinfoil is off the charts. People, consider the textual facts before coming up with these wilds theories. Once and for all:

    1. One can’t warg into a dead body.

    2. It would take an extremely powerful warg to warg into a human being (that’s not Jon in the books, let alone the show where warging for him hasn’t even been set up). Actually even such a warg might not be able to do it. It is complicated, it is basically impossible. Bran can do so with Hodor only because he’s a simpleton and Bran’s warging ability is highly developed and strong. The fact remains highly sentient beings like humans cannot be warged into. Only animals can, and even some animals are hard to do so with, like cats.

  55. I love those big beautiful screen caps 🙂 I don’t think Mel ever does look Jon in the eyes here. I understand her demeanor gave away the answer to his question, but I wish he’d have pressed for more details. I wanted to hear what she would have told them.

  56. crimethink,

    You’re not Jerkface by another name? He/she always seems to like to stir it and disagree with a lot of folk. I know he didn’t necessarily look like book Joffrey but I liked Jack Gleeson’s interpretation but hey I don’t tell you what to like or not like. My understanding is JG still does acting as a hobby at university.

    Jessica (Sand Snake) Henwick was okay as Amy Lam in “Silk”. The Obara actress was alright when she was just a kid in “Whale Rider”. I haven’t seen the third sand snake in anything else so can’t judge her abilities from other parts she has played.

  57. Just because there’s magic, doesn’t mean everything’s possible or easy. Fantasy plot has to be ruled by inner logic and limitations as well if it is to be a quality story.
    And what Bran’s doing with Hodor is an abominable act, a sin and he should stop.

  58. Gatsby,

    Wrong. Wights are not resurrected, they are reanimated corpses, who lost nearly all basic functions. They are empty puppets driven by the power of the White Walkers.
    Daenerys walked into the flames alive and got out of them alive. There was no death and resurrection for her. At that moment, mostly due to blood magic, she was simply fireproof.
    The Mountain either died and is now a reanimated corpse or was brought back from the brink of death. So also no revival.
    The only resurrection done in the books and show has been through the Lord of Light. The Red Priest saying a prayer or the Kiss of Life.

  59. Dame of Mercia,

    The Sand Snakes where not that hyped.

    There was a short video introducing the new actors and one with the new location.

    I don’t count the video with the weapons because I don’t consider that to be ”hyping” the story, but to rather show some technical stuff.
    Like that video we got this year about costumes. Or another one I remenber about how they made the Weirwood.

  60. crimethink,

    But it could line up with her resurrecting the “wrong” someone, in her god R’holler’s eyes that is, if she rezz’s Jon and he rises as the champion of the great Other. Remember, he has more of the North in him than his brothers. And Bran is theorized to likely be helping Jon/unJon with help of BR….so far it’s not pointing to Jon becoming a follower of the LoL.

  61. Hoyti Von Totiy: That blonde kid from Rome series would been a better fit for Joffrey.
    He had that normal / asshole vibe clearly devided what the books i think aimed for.

    I feel Jacks interpretation of Joffrey wasJoff being an “asshole all the time”. Not for one second since we first saw him on screen did i tought hey its just a young kid give him a break.

    #justmytoughtsdontlinchme
    #NOONEUNDERSTANDS

    That’s mainly due to the writing being “he’s an asshole all the time”. There were no other dimensions on the page to build on. I didn’t love Joffrey as a villain primarily because he was in crazy a-hole mode all the time and never really seemed to have any convictions or confidants, but his glee(son) and smugness did make him a lot of fun.

  62. phantomstrife:
    The tinfoil is off the charts. People, consider the textual facts before coming up with these wilds theories. Once and for all:

    1. One can’t warg into a dead body.

    2. It would take an extremely powerful warg to warg into a human being (that’s not Jon in the books, let alone the show where warging for him hasn’t even been set up). Actually even such a warg might not be able to do it. It is complicated, it is basically impossible. Bran can do so with Hodor only because he’s a simpleton and Bran’s warging ability is highly developed and strong. The fact remains highly sentient beings like humans cannot be warged into. Only animals can, and even some animals are hard to do so with, like cats.

    I’m getting whiplash from all the tinfoil that has come up in the last couple of days.

    GoT and ASOIAF also tend to lean towards low fantasy when it comes to magic imo, so all these supernatural elements that occur need to have some sort of basis and rationality.

  63. Flayed Potatoes:
    “I didn’t win a lot of sympathy points there. I got a lot of death threats to my character. “Die bitch, when are you gonna f–king die” – that I heard a lot.”

    Some people are just messed up. I feel so bad for Carice.

    To her character she said, not herself.
    What she got was no worse than what Ollie gets, even around here.
    This is not how I would express myself, but as long as those commentors make the difference between the actor and the character, there’s no harm done.

  64. crimethink,

    He was petulant-angry there, that’s why his face look that way. He’s not supposed to have all the mannerism of normal person. He was a sadistic, fractious psychopath. And I think he was very convincing as such.

  65. John Johnston: Hoyti Von Totiy: That blonde kid from Rome series would been a better fit for Joffrey.
    He had that normal / asshole vibe clearly devided what the books i think aimed for.

    Do you mean Max Pirkis who played Gaius Octavian as a boy? He’s about 27 now so he might have been a bit old for Joffrey, though I appreciate that Jack Gleeson played a character younger than his age.

  66. M,

    Indeed Jack Gleeson left acting for these very reasons.

    Either that or as Peter Dinklage said a while back when asked to comment on this fact: ” Yeah, he wants to do something with his life..”

  67. lurker,
    Book Berric forgets pieces of his own personal history, though – that could be what people are referring to. He doesn’t remember if he’s married, where he was born, this type of things. He is a decent person, yeah. But he doesn’t have much joy in him, what we call ‘life’ when we say ‘get a life’. He’s driven mostly by his mission.

    I would love Jon to turn out the same. Forgetting Ygritte. Not seeing the purpose of establishing human relationships. Just being generally… slightly inhuman and undead. Just the way Dany, too, is apparently learning how not to be human this year, if Emilia is to be believed. (I love inhuman characters!)

  68. Kit is not lying and he only went back to act as a corpse. They need someone to convince the free folk to fight the boltons and white walkers, so Davos and Melisandre use jon’s corpse to pull a “weekend at bernie’s”. That’s why kit is said it was his best acting.
    Oh, wouldnt that be some of the best tv i’ve ever seen!

  69. phantomstrife:
    The tinfoil is off the charts. People, consider the textual facts before coming up with these wilds theories. Once and for all:

    1. One can’t warg into a dead body.

    2. It would take an extremely powerful warg to warg into a human being (that’s not Jon in the books, let alone the show where warging for him hasn’t even been set up). Actually even such a warg might not be able to do it. It is complicated, it is basically impossible. Bran can do so with Hodor only because he’s a simpleton and Bran’s warging ability is highly developed and strong. The fact remains highly sentient beings like humans cannot be warged into. Only animals can, and even some animals are hard to do so with, like cats.

    Yeah Varamyr Sixskins was quite skillful (hence the Sixskins), and managed to kick Orell out of his Eagle and his mentor out of his Wolf despite the strength of the bonds

    Interesting how Arya was able to warg a Cat though

    I think Bran can warg Hodor as Hodor has Giants blood in him, and the CoTF tend to warg Giants and make them aggressive I suspect

    I do generally wonder if in the books Jon will run around in Ghost for a while in the books, there’s a possibility he can either warg fully back into his Beric style resurrected body and so give it “completeness” or what I think is more likely is he is resurrected via burning

  70. phantomstrife:

    1. One can’t warg into a dead body.

    It would explain who

    Coldhands

    is if you could.

    When

    Coldhands was first introduced he was linked symbolically with Bloodraven by having him stand in front of a Weirwood tree full of Ravens (the sigil of House Blackwood). Now this just might have been a clue that he was working for Bloodraven but there could be a far more direct link and Bloodraven is actually Warging a dead Night’s Watchman.
  71. Ghosts Lunch,

    Given that highly trained wargs would not be anle to do that, it serms very improbable that Jon could do that. Ghost would (at most) be like the eagle, with a vestige of Jon’s emotions, but none of Jon’s thinking. Animals are not cloud storage even for skilled wargs.

    That written, they might use Ghost and warging as a mechanism for Jon to recover himself in a more traditional way. After all, it is very common in stories of all sorts (and I mean non-fantasy) for people who have been in comas or suffered major traumas to need connections to their past to “heal” their minds. I expected that revived Jon will, for a time, be sort of lost. Think newly regenerated Doctor: but without the slapstick!

  72. Wimsey:
    It will be as epic as when Arthur and his Knights got to Camelot in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.”
    Maybe more so….

    Do you think the Nights Watchmen will fart in the general direction of the white walkers? Or fling a cow at them? That would surely be a sight to behold! 😀

  73. Connor:
    Is she now cold because R’hllor abandoned her? Or is it because the White Walkers are closing in and that is what’s causing her warmth to go away?

    These are going to be a looooongggggggg 15 days…

    I’d wager she’s cold because she’s lost her faith in R’hllor, and not because he’s abandoned her. IMO, her being shaken to her core means she now questioning everything she’s ever believed. If the visions in the fire were false, what else is false? She’s having a major crisis of faith similar to Thoros of Myr, and we know how that turned out.

  74. Fienix: Do you think the Nights Watchmen will fart in the general direction of the white walkers? Or fling a cow at them?That would surely be a sight to behold!

    Unleash a rabbit perhaps?

  75. Yaga:
    JF, still 15 days? We’re not even at 90% of the 112-day counter yet? This is like downloading a system update over a 55.6kb modem.

    The countdown is almost over 🙂 It started at 106…106 days! Tomorrow will be just 2 weeks from the premiere and the Red Carpet is tomorrow night! After this coming up week we’ll be able to say “Season 6 premieres THIS week”. It’s a great time of the year for sure 🙂

  76. jentario:
    It’s a damned shame she is going to be the first major casualty of season 6. I hoped she’ll live on at Jon’s side, but all the evidence points to her dying to let Jon live. It also makes sense for her character, that after she’s finally realized what she’s done and how terible she is, she’ll have a redeeming moment just before her death (because nothing she could ever do will absolve her of the punishment).

    Just speculation…

    Everyone seems to forget that we have an official photograph from season 6 of Melisandre riding out of Castle Black; that seems unlikely to happen until later in the season, so if she dies this season, it certainly won’t be in the first few episodes…

  77. carbonUnit: I’d wager she’s cold because she’s lost her faith in R’hllor, and not because he’s abandoned her. IMO, her being shaken to her core means she now questioning everything she’s ever believed. If the visions in the fire were false, what else is false? She’s having a major crisis of faith similar to Thoros of Myr, and we know how that turned out.

    Yep, Thoros is also seemingly lost his faith just before performing the first Dondarrion resurrection. The same thing apparently will happen with Mel just before she revives You Know Who…

  78. carbonUnit: Unleash a rabbit perhaps?

    Ah, but didn’t you know? The Walkers homeland is…. Antioch.

    😀

    Fienix: Do you think the Nights Watchmen will fart in the general direction of the white walkers? Or fling a cow at them? That would surely be a sight to behold!

    I lean towards the former. With no maester to provide treatments for intestinal maladies, the boys could probably unleash some highly sulfrous heat at the ?Men? in White.

    The cow would be a bad idea: 5 minutes later it would be a blue-eyed cow charging back at them.

    George: The same thing apparently will happen with Mel just before she revives You Know Who…

    Er, I think that You Know Who had a snake, not a dire wolf.

  79. Mihnea:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    How the time past flew…

    Any chances of a 2nd Trailer, in your opinion?

    The countdown clock will be in single digits come Friday 🙂 Yeah I think there’s a chance we’ll get a second trailer or something like the March Madness video. Like a 30 second “launch” trailer with some new footage spliced with old footage.

  80. ( A little off topic lol but here is what I have to say regarding season 6) Ok guys. Hear me out for a second:
    Season 4 of Game Of Thrones, in my opinion, was the best one to date. This was after they had managed to already do three seasons, then they came along with a fourth one that knocked all the others out of the park.
    Even when Game of Thrones is bad, it is still pretty good.
    So, I beg you, DON’T judge season 6 because season 5 wasn’t good. Every season kind of has its own format, and season 5 just happened to be set in the unfortunate fashion where everything built up to the last few episodes. If Game of Thrones makes an amazing fourth season after three seasons, then I have all faith that they can really make season 6 amazing as well, even after what season 5 was. Like Ani said above, season 5 was indeed always going to be the toughest season. But now the plotlines have smoothed out by the end of “Mother’s Mercy”, and they are ready to make Season 6 amazing from the start. IMHO, Season 5 was more of a set up for season 6 (Dany taken to the Dothraki, Sansa & Theon on the loose, Tyrion having a city to rule, Cersei seeking revenge, Brienne finally having something to do, Bran & Osha & Rickon coming back, and the aftermath of the mutiny at the wall).
    Season 6 WILL be good. The show is not in any way going downhill just because it is diverting from the books. I have faith that if these are the same people who made this show what it is today, that they can still deliver.

  81. Baenerys,

    I still think the show hasn’t surpassed season one, and I thought season five was a borderline wreck. Only Jon’s scenes were consistently interesting/convincing. However, I have little doubt that season six will be at least solid. Don’t know how it’ll compare to the rest of the seasons, but it should definitely be an improvement over its predecessor.

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