Today, HBO officially released the newest batch of images from next weekend’s episode of Game of Thrones, the fifth of season seven. The episode will be titled “Eastwatch,” named after a Night’s Watch castle by the sea. Interestingly, none of these photos appear to feature Eastwatch. Let’s break down it all down!
In the first photo, shown above, we see Tyrion and Daenerys in the aftermath of the loot train attack, with the Dothraki behind them. We see Daenerys addressing the crowd (including the opposition’s survivors) in the preview for this weekend’s new episode, and this photo looks to be from the same scene, with her Hand by her side.
Below, Tyrion is shown walking amid the destruction created by Drogon’s flames, with nothing but ash and ruin. Is he searching for what’s left of Jaime, if Tyrion didn’t see his brother knocked aside at the last moment? Or simply taking in the devastation caused to his family’s soldiers by the queen he’s chosen?
After this, there’s a slight jump in location and time- Daenerys is soon back at Dragonstone, with Jon Snow joining her on the cliffs, so we can presume that the speedy pace of season 7 will continue with “Eastwatch.”
Dany is wearing the same outfit and hairstyle she was during “The Spoils of War” battle, so she may have only just arrived back at home in this scene. For a woman who has just won a major victory, Daenerys doesn’t look thrilled. Was the damage to Drogon worse than it seems?
In her royal bedroom, Cersei sits wearing the martial dress we saw her in last episode. Her expression is almost inscrutable, but my impression is that she looks pleased, which would be at odds with Jaime’s life being endangered at the end of episode 4.
With Daenerys home, it’s back to the war room for Varys as he sits at the Painted Table. More dragon pieces seem to be in play on the board now.
And of course, the merman has to get a good bitch session in with Tyrion. If the Queen’s Hand is truly concerned about her Fire and Blood antics, I suspect it’ll be in the conversation with Tyrion that we would hear about it.
Sam and Gilly are hitting the books again in their cozy home. The script was too small and blurry to be read, so there was nothing to be gleaned from that. But if they’re showing the duo reading again, there has to be pertinent info at play, otherwise the show would not bother.
What are you all looking forward to most this week?
UPDATE: A few new pictures have turned up, all about the Dragonstone crew. Jon and Davos appeal to Daenerys around the painted map table, Daenerys mimics Jon by dramatically brooding over the cliffs, and Tyrion and Dany await for someone on the beach… or see someone off.
I don’t think Cersei looks pleased at all. The opposite actually. She looks super upset to me lol
Varys’s feet are visible in the photo with Tyrion. #NOOOOOO
There is something very haunting about the shot of Cersei on the bad.
Her internal struggle is the most fascinating aspect of this season. I hope we get more scenes with her this episode.
“What are you all looking forward to most this week?”
I’m looking forward to seeing Jamie being captured and facing his brother! And if he is not captured by daenerys’ dothrakis, then… I’ll be disappointed (how could he possibly escape this flat place burnt to the ground?) and I’ll be looking forward to probably seeing Jorah arriving in Dragonstone and meeting with his queen once again ;o) Thanks to speed trains all over westeros, he should alerady be waiting for Daenerys on the stairs of the castle ;o)
What internal struggle are you referring to ?
If Qyburn is as clever as I think he is, those bolt tips would have been coated with some kind of poison, so yes, Drogon may be having some issues beyond simply healing from being struck.
love me some Varys/Tryion heart to hearts!
and that scene of Tyrion walking through the ashes.. amazing
Looking forward to Sam’s scenes, hoping to see Tormund, hoping to see the Hound, they’ve both been gone way too long.
Looking forward to finding out what’s up with Jaime and Bronn, and I’m anxious to see what Bran is going to be up to, what he’ll see specifically.
Hopefully the WF “plot” will finally kick into gear, LF needs to do something.
Also looking forward to more Dany and Jon scenes, and him facing Drogon.
This episode has A LOT of ground to cover, I really have no clue how they’re going to manage it. Hopefully it won’t be rushed.
Only 2 more weeks from Sunday and the season is over 🙁
The Spoils of War is in my top 3 episodes along with Hardhome and Watchers on the Wall. Hope Eastwatch can live up to the hype after that episode.
I think they’re going to have to be speedy if they want to actually show Eastwatch in ‘Eastwatch’. Lol.
I agree. She looks like she’s been crying to me!
Love that photo of Jon and Dany.
My fantasy is that Cersei decides to schtupp Tycho Nestoris and Jaime comes in and catches her, putting the final nail in the coffin of their relationship. A girl can dream, can’t she?
My guess is they need a blacksmith to forge weapons from the dragonglass.
My question is who is betraying Dany. The Lannisters knew they were coming for Casterly Rock and emptied the food out. Someone may be talking to Cersei.
I am guessing that Jaime and Bronn will escape somehow (if Jaime survives, which most think he will). I doubt they would have Jaime as a prisoner again. That lasted all of season 2.
Other than making her presence known to Westeros, I wouldn’t label that a “major victory.” Gold gone, food burned, Drogon hurt, Dothraki force reduced, maybe a few key hostages obtained, maybe a few fickle Lannister/Tarly converts. That’s it. Did she get Highgarden at least? I’m glad Dany is concerned. Her force was formidable in the open field but she and her advisors have a lot to learn and overcome yet.
If Jaime had an archer with him instead of a spear, Dany and her perfect braids could/should have been seriously injured when she dismounted with no armor in the field of battle.
Not a moral struggle in any way, But she is struggling to keep herself and her sanity together.
We’ve seen her slip character a couple times.
1. When Jaime mentioned Tommen, she immediately averted her eyes and ran for the wine.
2. That one very sincere moment where she asked Ellaria “why did you do it” (about Myrcella)
So I think shes barely hanging on. Shes been calm and collected this season so far, but I don’t think shes in nearly as much control as shes been showing.
This strike me as more of a “transition” episode after Spoils. Setting up what will happen in Ep 6 and 7. I suspect we will see Jon putting together his ranging crew for beyond the wall as we saw from the previews. I’m afraid of what he will find…
I’m hoping to see Bronn and Jaime interact with Dany and Tyrion. Also very much want to see the Lord Beric, Thoros, and The Hound again. I would like Cersei to receive the Golden Company. Doubt it though after all the Iron Bank should know about the destruction of the Lannister forces so they may just refuse to lend them more money.
Probably ep5 is a set up to ep6 and 7. Expect not much action, a lot of dialogue.
I hope that Jamie is ok. He went from being my most hated to a favorite. I hope he isn’t captured by Dany. I’m not too crazy about Dany right now. I realize it is war, but this particular war was started by her invasion, by someone who claims it was her destiny. She is now an usurper too along with Robert . She wants to be the savior, but watching Arya in episode 1 interacting with Lannister soldiers fighting a war they don’t want to fight, well this hit a nerve for me. It makes me feel connected to these soldiers as fathers, sons, brothers, friends. Cersei is a horror show, although I love watching Lena, but is Drogon’s barbeque the answer? Who’s the usurper now? The picture of Tyrion walking through the aftermath of this is telling. Just my opinion.
I’m interested in…well, primarily, I’m interested in everything House Stark. Sansa and Arya’s storyline is truly the only one I care about in this show right now. But since there are other characters in this show, ;), I’m going to say that I look forward to Tyrion/Jaime/Daenerys. Daenerys basically accused Tyrion of being “sympathetic” to his family, so, I’m curious to see if any attempts he makes to save his brother (assuming he gets held as prisoner) will be viewed suspiciously by Daenerys.
“[…] and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth.”
I think Cersei’s inscrutable expression hides her inner turmoil: her brother being captured, the leveling of the playing field, the upcoming shortage of food, etc.
I’m looking forward to watching what a cornered Cersei would do…
I don’t think anyone has betrayed Dany. Part of war is determining your opponents’ next move. Without the knowledge that the Lannisters were broke, Casterly Rock was an obvious target for Dany and her army.
Obsidian points and blades are knapped/flaked like flint, not forged. They need someone to make hilts, but those could be of wood or bone as well as metal. And they need fletchers to make arrows.
If Gendry is going to serve as Team Dany’s weaponsmith, I imagine it will have more to do with Sam and Gilly finding out the secret to forging Valyrian steel in some old book that needs copying.
I think Jon will be anxious to test the dragonstone weapons to see if they’ll actually work. Hence, the ranging mission beyond the wall. Something tells me it won’t go so well.
i don’t even know what to expect in this episode. I thought we would get another hardhome. but now that I think about it. I don’t think so because we need a set up episode for the last two big ones.
I cant wait. Love me a lot of dialogue
If Dany captured Jamie.. I think Tyrion is going to free him, just like Jamie did to Tyrion.
I am looking forward to everything. Jon and Daenerys on the beach is a beautiful picture of them, and I think they are discussing what’s next on the NK front. Cersei looks like she has heard about the loot train attack and is happy that she paid off Tycho/sad that her soldiers and her credit rating are depleted. Sam and Gilly making momentous discoveries. Varys trying to regain control of his position of power-behind-the-scenes with Tyrion’s help. Poor Varys and Littlefinger are a bit out of depth this season.
I keep hearing how there MUST be someone who’s betraying Dany. I’m not saying it’s impossible at all, but why can’t we just give credit where credit is due? The Lannisters are simply winning and out strategizing Dany’s crew.
That moment when you have known Jon for 2 seconds and start dressing like him lol.This episode is gonna be quite something .I personally can’t wait for it but the teleporting complainers will be out in full force lol.
And I would hate Tyrion for that… but it will cause a further divide between Tyrion and Dany, which makes great television. 🙂
Well no one had to tell Jamie and Cersei about Casterly Rock, it was the obvious move which is why it was the wrong move by Tyrion. I am actually surprise that someone as brilliant as Tyrion is at politics did not understand that Oleanna was not enough to control the Reach. Oleanna was a formidable lady but she was not a Tyrell by birth. Tyrion (and Dany) should have gone to Lord Tarly early on and secured his support.
I’m hoping we see Jon’s reaction to finding out Arya and Bran are back home, alive and well. I also hope we see him head back to the north like we saw in the promo for the season.
I also can’t wait for more Stark scenes.
Ooh, and seeing Tyrion and Jamie. It should make for interesting viewing and would be nice to see how that goes down with Dany.
Also Sam and Gilly. I love them.
A Dornish Tyrell,
I would hate him too
and I agree
its called eastwatch for a reason lol
If Jon was a gent he’d offer Dany his cloak!
Gilly is going to find the key to defeating the Night King, isn’t she? She’ll probably mispronounce his name, but will find the secret to defeating the WW and their army.
I hope to see the Hound and the Brotherhood again.
Oh, and Jon coming face to face with the dragons. Perhaps they’ll recognize his scent?
Drogon: “Hey Rhaegal and Viserion, this dude smells like mommy!”
Hmm doesn’t fire burn off poison? Isn’t this what Mel tell Stannis’ Maester back in season 1 when he tries to poison her cup? I forget what she says exactly but something about the fire within which would help Dragons who literally store fire inside of them.
Just a thought tho.
Gilly , wonder how many times she appears in S7?
Jon looks worried and Dany is compassionate imo…
I’m looking forward to see more of them warming up. And I want to see more of Winterfell…
I think it’s going to be intense and somehow I fear something really terrible will happen. This is “Thrones”… and the seasons finale isn’t far away… no 9th episodes anymore… I wonder what they will do to us next…
Dany looks like she is asking for help/advice from Jon and Cersei looks like she has been told something that has left her stunned and I am liking the bedroom decor.
“I have no sympathy for Jaime. For me, he had ZERO development since season 3 and all he does is being cersei’s lapdog and being trolled by Euron. For me, he is and will always be a coward. A guy who simples puch a kid from a tower, is never going to be okay in my book. I wouldn’t care less about him, in fact too bad he didn’t died by drogon’s fire, but maybe he has still a purpose..for me, olenna words were so good..””cersei will be your end”, and i can’t wait for this.
And no. This war was not created by Dany. The Lanisters created all this mess since season 1. The only lannister i don’t hate is Tyrion. Hopefully, Jaime and Cersei will be gone next season, and luckily in a painful way.
That’s rich! Ice offering Fire a cloak! 🙂
Then again…wait…maybe its Fire offering Fire a cloak? But then… I’m confused…is anyone cold?
I agree but Tyrion will expect something in return, I think. Looking forward to a “reunion” of the Lannister brothers but it’s not likely to be a pleasant. I have no idea what to expect from Jaime at this point. I thought that he would have abandoned Cersei long ago.
I want to see more of Jon’s interactions with characters like Jaime and Varys. Jon isn’t someone to be regarded lightly and none of them know his full story.
You know as much as I dislike Jamie, I wouldn’t fault Tyrion for saving his brother if he did that. Jamie and Tyrion always loved each other, you can’t expect love to be turned off so easily. If Daenerys is going to be betrayed by love, it will either be by Tyrion for Jamie or by Jon for the Starks.
Besides, Dany shouldn’t be the one that gets to kill Jamie. Sure, he killed her father but her father had it coming. I expect Jamie to off himself or die fighting the walkers.
I don’t give a fuck about it lol.I am fine with everything but let me tell you the nitpicking and the bitching will be high after this one.I just enjoy the ride.You are gonna love it Dee don’t worry.
I am hoping the scene with Dany and Jon is Jon telling her that if she did burn more people that it isn’t right. It is overkill and she shouldn’t expect the love or loyalty of the people. Maybe she’ll listen and not be all about “me, me, me”. I would enjoy seeing her character be a bit more humble and wise. I also didn’t like the way Dany treated Jon in the cave with her “yeah, the writing is on the wall, but before I help bend the knee.” Self-absorbed twit.
Yeah, I had problems with Dany “burn them all” vengeance. Understand she had to do what she had to do, but it was overkill. How can she complain and be upset about not having food and supplies because the Lannister army cut it off and then annihilate the “load train” which was food and supplies? Maybe it’s just bad writing….
Jon and Dany look like a royal majestic couple. Beautiful photo! Can’t wait for sunday! So far, season 7 is easily my favorite.
I echo your sentiments about Jaime. Psycho Cersei’s lapdog season after season after season, and his perpetual smug/superior expression (which was finally gone for the last few minutes of the last episode), are not attractive qualities for me. With only 9 episodes left, when will Jaime do something positive and useful with his life?
On another note, my poor babe Tyrion is in such an impossible, horrific situation! in the middle, torn between opposing sides. 🙁
Yea, it does seem kind of dumb that Dany destroyed all the food that she claimed her army needed. I suppose there wasn’t much that could be done due to the chaos of it all, but it did seem a bit self-defeating to do that.
It’s like Roose asked Ramsey in season 6: “Do you feel like a victor?”
I may have to avoid this place after then lol
OH JENNY YOU HAVE ME SO HYPEDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Even the actor is tired. (he said on twitter about Cersei and Jaime’s toxic relatiosnhip). He could have my respet if he had dumped Cersei the minute he saw what she did by blowing up several innocent lifes last season..but no, he stayed and continues to love her the same way, if not even more. Pathetic. And then someones try to defend his actions saying that he did some good when stopped the mad king, but then he can’t even stop that sociopath that is Cersei. I only liked him a little in S3 (and mostly because of Brienne), but for me he will be always one of the most repulsive characters in ASOIAF.
It annoys me that the writers haven’t even bothered to explain why Sam can keep Gilly in Oldtown now when we were told in the previous season that he couldn’t do that.
That was just a justification for the Horn Hill excursion, of course, but once Sam made the character decision to keep Gilly with him, the writers have to actually address how he’s going to achieve that. Instead they just ignore it. That sort of detail is important to narrative integrity; otherwise you just end up with a bunch of stuff that happens.
I hope Jon us asking Dany for a lift to WF. She needs to meet her stark cousins….they are related.
It might’ve been more for the visual spectacle because that shot might’ve been the single greatest thing the show has ever done.
I haven’t heard from Daenerys’ #1 fan dragonbringer in a while. Curious to know his thoughts on the season so far.
Oh, no doubt. it was cool for sure, but not so much from a strategy perspective.
Tyrion definitely looks like he’s having a hard team dealing with killing Lannister men.
I think Jamie and Bronn will pop their heads up out of the water and Tyrion won’t be worried about that.
From what I understand, Dany did not burn all the food, just a portion of it… Admittedly it was a big chunk and something they might really need later on. But, if I remember correctly, Randyll Tarly was complaining about the “loot train” spreading thin and about the delay in getting all the crops stored in Highgarden… So probably there is some food left for Dany to commandeer.
Looking forward to this. Agree with others that this will probably be a setup episode.
I am wondering what the Lannisters will do with the gold. It has made it to KL, but it was supposed to be used to pay back the IB. But can they really afford to do so now that supplies have been destroyed as well as a large part of their army? And how will the IB react to this new development? They were looking for new investments, but that was based on the assumption that Cersei would win the war.
A Dornish Tyrell,
Jon Snow KNOWS how to fight and Jon has to be in at least 1 battle in season 7 so I am sure there will be another super epic battle in the next 3 weeks…
Who is going to direct another epic season 7 battle?
My inquiring mind wants to know now… but I’ll wait … I don’t read spoilers
HAHA…I definitely second that!! And good to see the two bookworms are still enjoying some Westerosi history lessons by the fire..
Looking forward to finding out if Tyrion comes face-to-face with Jaime and Bronn or not. Also it’s time for us to get status updates on the Night’s King, Tormund and the Brotherhood.
I might be wrong but Oldtown and the Citadel are two different things, namely the Citadel (a complex of buildings that serves as headquarters to the Order of the Maesters) is part of Oldtown. Gilly was forbidden access to the Citadel, not Oldtown.
In S07E01 is shown Sam and Gilly living outside the city wall.
I’ll be on holiday in Sunday and don’t use much tech when I’m away.
Oh well, less of wait for the ep.6.
Dead Dane Walking,
Next on “Fireside Chats” with Sam and Gilly we’ll be learning how to properly clean out a toilet by effectively using a montage sequence with minimum fuss.
And don’t miss next week’s episode, learn how to cure a deadly disease which already has a cure that apparently no one wants to bother with.
Dinklage is acting the hell out of that shot. Cersei definitely has her smirk on. GORGEOUS shot of Emilia & Kit. I’m warming up to this. They look like a married couple. Dany needs an equal to marry. Drogo wore the pants. With Daario & Hizdahr, Dany wore the pants. Dany & Jon can each wear a leg. I love how Dany’s growing fondness for Jon is seeping through her dress in the form of fur. Beautiful costume. I love the style. So perfect. I’m looking forward to Sam & Gilly.
Eh it’s just funny now.I just shrug lol.Oh I don’t want to build up your expectation too high.It will be good but not as spectacular as the last episode but I guess everyone can guess that.It’s only logical.
Yes, Gilly appears to be living outside the Citadel, but she suggests that in 603 and Sam says they have no money for that.
Evidently they do now, for which the show has offered no explanation. And the thing is, it would have been easy to say that he took some cash from Horn Hill, but the show has to actually say that.
All I know is that come Sunday night, Jamie and Bronn better damn well be prisoners of Dany or it will be a load of crap that is completely unacceptable.
If the episode begins with them both surfacing from the lake on the opposite shore, spitting out a huge mouthful of water and then Bronn turning to Jamie and saying something witty, I will… I will… well, I probably won’t do anything! But be sure I will be pissed!
But but… prisoner Jaime is the best Jaime…! Plus who wouldn’t want Tyrion and Jaime to actually have a conversation!? (not even to mention Dany)!
(He was prisoner for almost all of season 3 as well as 2 – just en route to be prisoner-exchanged with Sansa)
Yeah I’ll be majorly annoyed if he somehow escapes that and goes back to KL. It didn’t even occur to me that could be possible until people around here starting mentioning it… which now makes me worry it’s a Leaks Thing (ugh). I mean how would that even make sense – Tyrion and Dany both watched him charge Drogon/Dany then fall in the water, they’d want to fish him out immediately to take as hostage. Then again maybe it’s just people really wanting Jaime to kill Cersei this season which seems unlikely if Jaime is taken prisoner?
I was a bit worried that ol Qyburn had poisoned the dragon bolts, but I don’t think that we’ll lose ol Drogon, at least before Season 8? They’re going to need them against the Walkers, I can’t really see them downing him so soon. *fingers crossed*
Actually, Jaime killing the Mad King now seems very hypocritical, if he claims it was done because of altruistic reasons. Because if he killed one monarch for “burn therm all!” but is fighting for another one who has ACTUALLY burnt a Sept full of people (people not at war), then it sounds like he killed Aerys so that his dad could come in with his army into KL unopposed. Tbh, I still haven’t forgotten that Jaime pushed Bran out of the window. I desperately want him to run into Bran again! 😀
Clearly Sam has been pimping himself out.
Dany isn’t related to any of the Starks, just Jon.
I believe so. It was dumb on Dany’s part, but that’s the only way they could shoot a traveling flame. It was for the visuals, not the story.
Maybe Sam’s mom is wiring him some money behind Randyll’s back.
LOL …While I belong to those who thought the bed pan/bowl of brown-montage was hilarious and the pulling off pus-oozing grayscale/switch to creamy meat pie at the inn was perfect, I’ll most likely be cleaning (read: emptying) my own stomach, if we’re to see more of that!!
I’m sure they are going to find more interesting forgotten knowledge.. Wonder what it could be?
I agree, unless Jaime whips out some James Bond scuba gear and swims back, I don’t know how he can’t get caught.
All of it would’ve been tainted by ash and smoke anyway… And probably most of it would’ve caught fire no matter what she did. She wasn’t looking to recapture that food.
I think we are reading too much into it, in terms of it being a “strategy” when it was more about the cinematic experience of seeing the sheer destructive power of a dragon.
The thirst is real.
A Dornish Tyrell,
yes, totally agree with that: Sam works/learns at the citadel, and Gilly is not allowed inside the citadel, but they live in oldtown, on the other side of the river, we saw that in episode 1 i think, when Sam is reading and flipping through the pages of the book he stole. I have no idea how they can pay for a flat in oldtown, but maybe interns at the citadel get nice grants ;o)
• What I want to see:
1. Jorah reuniting with his Khaleesi, and name-dropping Jon’s BFF, NW Maester-in-Training Samwell Tarly, M.D. as the wizard who saved his life.
2. Sandor, Sandor, and more Sandor.
3. A scene with Sandor listening to a bunch of guys trembling at the prospect of confronting the WWs, until Sandor stands up and says:
“F*ck the Night King.”
4. RoboBran freaking out more people with uncomfortable factoids about their pasts.
5. Arya and Brienne having heart to heart talks about: (a) the Hound, and (b) DouchebagFinger and his betrayal of Catelyn and Robb.
To be continued with what I fear we’ll see…because Thoros and his Merry Men, Tormund and his Free Folk brethren, and the Army of the Dead are about to converge at Eastwatch.
Jaime and Brienne fighting side by side, protecting Bran and the Starks with two swords made from Ice. Jaime dies in Brienne’s arms, having just saved Bran from death.
Yes I mean I have never heard of a current lol.
Well, if Jaime and Bronn are not taken prisoners, maybe it would be a good idea to watch the episode first and see how it plays out before getting all pissed off about it already.
Sometimes I get the impression that some people watch GoT with a furrowed brow and their arms crossed the entire time just waiting for an excuse to get riled up about something.
If ya’ll don’t like it after seeing it, then be as outraged as you wanna be. Let it play out first.
What is the purpose of the dragons if they’re not used as a weapon of war? Should she just fly around and expect to win the war because the opposing army is afraid of what they could do? The dragons are her sword whether it’s for attack, defense or dispensing punishment for treason and/or refusing to surrender. It’s humorous to me that people disagree with their use and are calling her a usurper as a criticism while she’s warring against a woman sitting on a throne taken by blowing up a religious temple filled with her enemies and innocents. I have to wonder if sentiments would be the same if Jaime and Bronn weren’t on the opposing side… or had it been Euron leading that army.
Tyrion’s arc now that he’s apparently against any use of them is rather hypocritical. Is there going to be no mention of his use of the wildfire against Stannis? He never displayed any sign of regret in using that to explode and burn all those men. He actually expected reward and acknowledgement for winning that battle. It would explain it if he would come out and say that he fears for Jaime and doesn’t want him to die as the main reason. Other than that Daenerys has listened to them and not attacked civilian areas. Yes, in frustration she’s wanted to attack the Red Keep, but anyone would with the strength and ability to do so instead of sitting back and watching her allies getting picked off. I don’t believe Daenerys is going mad/insane/dark but they’re using such a thing for Tyrion’s story, along with his love for Jaime. He has to have something, right?
Jaime could be prisoner but then switch side (his look during the fire party was incredible, he was already fed up with wars and conflicts when he went to Riverrun last season, i think he’s done being a warrior, especially for his crazy sister) and try to convince Cersei to parlay with Daenarys (Cersei would of course say yes and then try to kill everyone, then Jaime would have no choice but to kill her… yeah i’m a real storyteller). If he escapes the battlefield i’ll be very disappointed, even if the first 4 episodes have been great.
But it’s the smokey flavor that makes it good!
And yes, it’s rather obvious that it was all about the visual spectacle. I don’t think that point is lost on anybody. However, my point is that prior to the battle she was just saying how she doesn’t have enough food to feed her army. Couple that with the fact that the show is going out of it’s way this season to show that there is a general food shortage in Westeros, buring food isn’t not the most intelligent plan. That’s all Im saying. I get that fire and dragons are cool to watch and it’s about the spectacle. I can’t see where I’m reading too much into anything, but it would be beneficial to watch the episode again for more info. Not that I need another excuse to watch 🙂
I’m looking forward to a detailed analysis of how many troops were killed on both sides and how many are left just so we all know what everyone is dealing with. ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
Oh it was very much for the plot too. That is they wanted a cool battle, but did NOT want Jaime to be killed in this episode. Because if they were willing to sacrifice Jaime, she would have had Drogon burn every Lannister-uniform wearing human she could see and spared the loot. But since Jaime and Brown had their thick plot armor on, she had to burn something! Lol!
Awww……. never been a Brienne-Jaime shipper myself – she deserves far, far better!
Answer: the writers. I’ve said before the season even started that they want to keep Cersei around as long as possible (the actresses is fantastic), so there will be plot contrivances to explain why Cersei is still in power (I predicted little birds conveniently tipping off Cersei, and Qyburn suddenly revealing all sorts of hidden knowledge. But so far we’ve gotten: Tyrion (former Master of Coin) forgot the family has no money left in CR? Check. Dany not invading KL when Cersei sent her army and navy away at the same time, leaving KL relatively unprotected? Check. Dany breaking up her forces to backtrack? Check. Yara not noticing Euron’s fleet approaching? Check. Gold conveniently makes it back to KL before Drogon arrives? Check. And so on. It’s clear to me now that Cersei will be one of the last characters to die. But to do that, the show would have to deal with the White Walkers first, which makes me worried for season 8 — why would I care about squabbling over the throne AFTER the real threat is addresses, it seems like it would be a let-down. But I’m preparing myself for that.
What betrayal? LF was not involved in the Red Wedding… that was a matter among Tywin, Roose, and Walder…
LF is undoubtedly guilty of many crimes. But not that one.
Pic 1 – looks like Dany
threateningasking allegiance from the Lannister/Tarly soldiers from the trailer. Tyrion trying to look stern but actually looking sad (Dinklage face acting ftw)
Pic 2 – Tyrion better find Jaime is all I’m saying…
Pic 3&4 – Jon looks worried. Maybe he just got the note about Eastwatch (Tormund?) referenced in the trailer and is giving Dany the d/l. Would like to know what Dany’s plans are now… Does she have a greater strategy post Loot Train? If not, she maybe can be convinced to go north. I think comraderie between Jon and Dany will continue (he’ll respect that she went for a military vs civilian target).
Pic 5 – Inscruitable Cersei face indeed – I guess she is angry, because no other emotion really makes sense. I hope she is totally enraged, TBH. Maybe she’ll go torture someone then fuck Euron to help herself feel better. :p
Pic 6&7 – I’m intrigued it seems they will be plotting broader strategy here, Varys voiceover from trailer indicates Dany does not agree with what Varys and Tyrion come up with. But what conflicting moves are we talking about? Killing vs keeping Jaime? Attacking Red Keep? Blockading KL? Going north?! Varys has done next to nothing for Dany so far so I’m excited to see him contribute.
Pic 8 – <3 Sam and Gilly. They are REALLY REALLY pushing the V.S. in s7, even harder than I expected, so I guess they find something Valyrian Steel related (likely from the scrolls Sam was "assigned" I think intentionally to help the NW by Ebrose).
Other predictions – Jorah better hook back up with Dany this episode. He's had enough time to travel. Dany is def. going to almost-cry. Maybe they will hug!? I don't know if my heart can take it! <3 <3 <3
If only we knew an available blacksmith… oh, hi there, Gendry!
Yes, he even admitted that they were EXPECTING him to attack CR. Another plot contrivance to even the odds between Cersei and Dany.
And maybe it would be an even better idea if people who read leaks would stop “speculating”. JFC.
I’m actually expecting something like that…that the dragons recognize something about Jon while up close and react accordingly. His trip to Dragonstone has to have an unexpected result to him, right? It would be cool if Jorah arrived at Dragonstone at that moment as well….then switch to Sam and Gilly reading….
IF THIS HAPPENS MY LIFE WILL ALSO BE COMPLETE
That would be a great idea, but I’m not sure where I fit into that. I haven’t mentioned anything remotely close to knowing any leaks and I’m not sure what speculation you are trying to refer to. I just said that people should let the story play out before preemptively getting upset. I have no idea what will/won’t happen to Bronn/Jaime. JFC
I feel like I’d rather see Jaime and Bronn as prisoners, just because I’d love to see Jaime interact with Dany and Tyrion. However, it wouldn’t shock me if they somehow escape. I’d just hate to see that ruin the episode for some people.
Looking forward to – whatever Sam and Gilly may find;
What Jon and Dany are talking about and why Jon looks so grim;
Tyrion’s view of the ashes;
And of course, everything else…
They’ve actually hardly touched on Valyrian steel this season. I believe the only thing/time so far is the dagger. From my perspective they’ve nearly ignored the importance of that and increased the importance of dragonglass, which isn’t Valyrian steel.
Yes, I do agree that Jaime had some of his best development while a prisoner, and especially during his travels with Brienne after being let go. I just doubt they would do it because the pace is so much faster now. They took a whole season with Tyrion as prisoner, and like you said it was a good part of two seasons with Jaime. A major Lannister hostage isn’t worth what it used to be worth in the old days of the show. They are already at war, and there is no one to trade. Dany doesn’t have any other Targaryens that are prisoners that she needs to trade. She is the last Targaryen that she knows of. Cersei isn’t one who would necessarily trade anything for Jaime (sorry Jaime!). But yes, the conversation between Jaime and Tyrion is necessary at some point. It was sad to watch Tyrion as he saw his fellow Lannisters get incinerated. I think he does still feel his family connection, especially with Jaime. His argument was always with his father and Cersei.
Tyrion didn’t know that the Lannisters were broke. Tywin only told Cersei.
This has been explained time and again in the show. Dany wants to present herself as a liberator, not a conqueror.
Dany wanted to surround King’s Landing’s and make Cersei feel the jaws tightening so she would have no choice but surrender.
Euron attacked at night in the middle of a storm. Visibility would have been poor.
The gold was the main reason Jaime attacked Highgarden. Naturally, the gold will be in the front of the line.
Not just repulsive, but useless (at least, in the show – I haven’t read the books). Season after season he has been the most useless character. But I do get some satisfaction hearing character after character talk smack about him — the Blackfish’s “I’m disappointed,” Euron “Two good hands”, Olenna (how smart he must be if he learns from mistakes), even Tarly (oaths mean something). Haha, those quotes are gold, like his useless hand.
It is a problem, but it’s a tiny one compared with the massive, gaping plot holes the show has. Though I will say that so far Season 7 has had far fewer plot holes than Season 6.
I totally agree. I have now prepared myself for Cersei to be killed in the very last episode of Season 8, after many other characters have died. This, in some way, makes me anticipate the end of the series, because it will be bittersweet for me, sweet because finally no more Cersei in the episodes, but also no more other storylines too!
I wonder who will kill Qyburn, or if he will rule at the end?
I believe this is definitely true… and then go online to a FAN website to write out specifics as if FANS want to read their never ending outhouse worthy criticism.
The dagger was referenced in ep 1, then like 2 times in ep 4 we were reminded it is Valyrian Steel
Ep3 had dialogue specifically mentioning Jaime has Widow’s Wail and it’s Valyrian Steel. There was literally no reason for this other than to signpost “hey look here’s another V.S. sword dont’ worry we didnt’ forget!”
I forgot when but I think it was mentioned along with dragonglass at one point
Thats a massive density of references if you compare to other seasons (where there were maybe 2-3 references / season), especially given the faster pace
I really have to laugh at you calling Jaime a coward. The guy literally just charged a dragon with nothing but a horse and one hand.
No matter his flaws, you can’t say he isn’t brave. Stupid, yes, but brave.
Maybe drogon will go out the same way as drogo!
I don’t mean to signal you out, but so many people misuse the word plot hole that it’s become a pet peeve of mine. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Please mention me one instance of a gaping plot hole that actually fits the definition of the word.
When Tyrion was master of coin, he would know which houses had money and which didn’t (which is why they were getting Olenna to pay for a million bushels of wheat, corn, etc., because “wars are expensive”). To say he wouldn’t know his own house’s finances is ridiculous — or, as I said, is a “plot contrivance.”
Cersei blow up the religious heads of the kingdom’s most populous religion. She murdered their beloved queen. Drove their young king to kill himself. The people hated her (Jaime even admits that). All Dany had to do was walk in, and she’d be hailed as a liberator.
By starving the common people? You know Cersei will feed herself to the very end, and let everyone else die before her. And sieges are something to consider if you can’t just take the city — but with the army AND the navy deployed, KL was ripe for the taking, even without using dragons or dothraki. It would be kinder to the common folk to “take” the city when its unprotected than to starve them out. This is a character inconsistency for plot’s sake.
And yet Euron was able to pinpoint Yara’s much smaller vessel in those same conditions.
That I don’t doubt. I just think it’s an incredible coincidence that Drogon showed up in time to give the viewers and exciting dragon attack, but not in enough time to stop Cersei from getting the gold.
And I don’t mean to put down anyone else’s view of the show. I just love arguing about GOT. with whoever will listen!
Varys and Tyrion got a small taste of how Jon thinks as he advised Dany to restrain from burning innocents. Would really like to see this addressed.
Jon and Jaime would be amazing. They’ve both come a long way from the people they were when they last spoke.
from Dany’s perspective, Hostage is better than dead and both are way better than Jaime escaping to KL. Jaime is Cersei’s general and The reason Dany was losing is because of Jaime outplaying Tyrion militarily. Cersei will have Tarly to command but he doesn’t know Tyrion as well and IMO will not be as effective. Plus Tarly is much less likely to stay loyal to Cersei.
Dany is unlikely to trade Jaime’s life for anything except surrender from Cersei (cuz you’er right, what else does Cersei have to offer – Yara IMO is not sufficient and Cersei would never give up Ellaria – but Cersei turning a credible threat against Jaime’s life down (as I agree she would) might give Tyrion some leverage to try to turn Jaime against Cersei.
Maybe you’e right
Minus the introduction of the dagger in the recent episode it hasn’t been much or more than other seasons imo. There have always been a ‘few’ inclusions, such as Heartsbane last season. Olenna didn’t even say “Valyrian” in that conversation, just commented on Joffrey’s shitty name for it. ….. …. Okay, I get your viewpoint. I’m just considering how important the fandom has believed it will be and how much discussion there’s always been about them finding the method to forge it. So far that has pretty much been brushed aside and dragonglass has become THE thing of importance.
List of ways Jaime isn’t useless to the plot:
– Killed the mad king, ending a centuries old dynasty
– Fathered 3 bastards who were passed off as the children of the king
– Shoved Bran from a tower window, leading to Bran discovering his abilities and escalating the Stark-Lannister conflict
– Killed Rickard Karstark’s son, leading him to rebel against Robb
– Saved Brienne from death
– Freed Tyrion from prison, saving his life and setting off a chain of events that led to Tywin’s death and Tyrion joining Dany
– Gave Brienne a Valyrian steel sword and charged her with finding Sansa and protecting her from Cersei
So how exactly has he been useless? If anything, he has been one of the biggest driving influences in the story.
Pretty sure she’s just not allowed in the citadel. Women are allowed in Oldtown. They are living in a nearby dwelling.
You’re confusing the crown’s finances with the Lannisters’. They are completely separate, which is why the crown was in debt to Tywin. Tyrion was not told about the mines no longer containing gold.
That would be a nice gesture for sure, but probably Jaime and Bronn survived their dip in the river and crept away from the battlefield unnoticed.
Like you I avoid leaks and spoilers, so have no idea how things will pan out in Ep5.
Reckon Dany’s bloodlust is up post FoF 2.0 victory, kinda makes sense as this is showing her Dothraki Khaleesi Fire + Blood side
Probably why Drogon is roaring, eg she’s used it to intimidate the defeated Lannister soldiers and is perhaps trying to drive home a point to Jon and the North when she returns (personally would be fascinated to see what reaction – if any – from Rhaegal)
Although just like after the Vaes Dothrak torching and Drogon speech where her blood was up when she returned to Meereen, where there Tyrion turned her back into Queen mode I suspect it may perhaps be Jon with that cliff-top talk that does it this time?
Cersei is probably dissapointed to hear that the rear of the Army was destroyed. Lost the food but the front of the Army got in with the Gold. Reckon she will go about hiring the Golden Company to replace Lannister soldiers
I love the idea of them being used to re-take Casterly Rock and going up against the Unsullied but not enough episodes left I don’t reckon
There’s an interesting idea going around that Cersei may be pregnant, hence the “dynasty” talk in E1
Fascinating to notice Varys is holding a wine cup, I recall in the IT room talk with Oberyn he didn’t really drink.
I really don’t understand this line..
“If the Queen’s Hand is truly concerned about her Fire and Blood antics, I suspect it’ll be in the conversation with Tyrion”
I think the opposite. I don’t think season 8 would be very interesting if literally all of the characters are united fighting the W.W. Thus, I think the show will keep Cersei around for most of season 8, BUT both battles will have to be fought simultaneously for all of Season 7 and 8. It doesn’t have to be one then the other.
There’s a lot of dramatic potential with Jaime as PoW. I personally suspect Cersei would turn down parlay, certainly she wouldn’t go herself.
Cersei was planning to use the Golden Company to “take back something that was taken from her”. I had assumed she might mean to kidnap Tyrion, but if Jaime is captured she might send the GC to try to get him. Of course the Golden Company getting onto Dragonstone and stage a prison break / dwarf-napping seems pretty far fetched maybe.
Given E1 always has foreboding, I reckon Varys is now “the” mole.
More than that, in the sense that Jon is displaying the traits that Varys seems to hold in high regard, starting with his talking Dany out of torching Red Keep, we can consider a Davos “would you forgive me if I switched sides” joke actually seriosuly occurring in reverse should he find out Jon is a Targ, would kind of tie him in with the Blackfyre plot but being applied to Jon perhaps?
That said I simply don’t know if they have enough time now, eg all of S8 will be focused on WW invasion IMO
I had wondered about Missandei, but the deleted part of the scene in Meereen where she is talking about him protecting himself and Grey Worm talking about “protecting Daensarys Stormborn”, I am wondering where as we have seen over time their humanity is being seen as blossoming, we’ll have a “Love is the death of duty” type scenario emerge and the former slaves bred only for duty end up abandoning Dany and running off
She’s going to need a really big pillow. 😛
Wasn’t the previous episode the first time we heard that the full name of the river is Blackwater Rush? I have a nagging feeling we’ll soon find out the reason behind the reveal of this new piece of information.
I wonder if there will be other references. We know the whereabouts of four swords (in the show) – Longclaw, in keeping of the Dothraki for Jon, Widows’ Wail (dreadful name) which Jaime has (is it now under the waves?), Oathkeeper with Brienne and Heartsbane presumably where Sam and Gilly are living – and the dagger. There are of course a few others known in the books, and some that have ‘disappeared’.
We know they are going to matter. That gun was hung a long time ago and there was a demonstration already. I’d like to know more about the whereabouts of others, and this is yet another thing I’m looking forward to…
1. Master of Coin is responsible for the Crown’s finances. He doesn’t have access to the other kingdoms’. Otherwise, why didn’t he mention it before? As for Olenna, it’s well known that the Tyrells are very wealthy. Having them pay their fair share was a no brainier.
2. Dany won’t simply walk in. She would fly in a dragon setting buildings on fire. How is that any better?
3. It’s better than the alternative.
4. That’s a good point on Yara. I’ll concede you that one.
5. It may be convenient, but it’s also entirely possible.
huh? Why would the unsullied flee? Like Missandei pointed out, they fight for Dany because they believe in her. If they wanted to leave, she would let them. Besides, what would running away achieve?
Every time I look at that picture of Jon and Dany I’m reminded that Bobby B must be turning in his grave right now lmao.
Cersei may be contemplating getting separate beds for her and Euron.
Dany has her “bend the knee” face and Jon has his “no time for that” face…
I’d agree, but it did show Dany intentionally destroying the “loot train” so chaos wouldn’t be an excuse. That’s why I hope Jon sets her straight and her character becomes a wiser and humbled. Otherwise, I just can’t see Jon and Dany being attracted. However, the writers might think otherwise.
That is a perfect quote to use! Exactly!
From the preview, we know that Jon has received a message from Bran.
I’m guessing that Bran will wait until he’s face to face with Jon before he tells him the truth about his parentage.
Is it just me or did Cersei forget to replace the dragon decorations on her bed by Lannister Lions during the Red Keep redecoration?
Just a typo. Replace “Tyrion” with “Varys.” T &V will have a conversation about Daenerys not listening to either of them but going for Fire and Blood.
I would love this. Varys switching over to Jon, going to Winterfell with him, hanging out there with Davos for some episodes.
Im annoyed at the fact someone is annoyed that they don’t see Gilly being in old town as a resident vs Gilly being in the citadel.
Gilly is not permitted in the Citadel and knowing Sam coming from a rich background and stealing from his home before leaving Horn Hill I’ll assume he bought a small place to stay.
Do the writers need to spoon feed me the obvious?
Gilly is barred from entering the Citadel, but not Oldtown itself? Perhaps Sam and Gilly live in ‘digs’ close by. Didn’t he say to her after they left Hornhill that he would never leave her and baby Sam alone again?
I see the Citadel a bit like a university. Although the old maesters probably live in it, I would think those under training would have to find their own lodgings? Just like as in the real world.
This would be completely absurd considering the conversation Dany JUST had with Varys. You know about how he should tell her what he thinks instead of stabbing her in the back. Unfortunately for plot reasons, Varys has been useless to Dany this season. Hopefully he will have something to do that will actually be helpful next episode.
Wouldn’t send a mercenary company of professional soldiers to spring a prisoner
One would however hire the faceless men to kill a certain dwarf and spring prisoner though
Jagen H’Gar return confirmed!…hopefully
On another matter, doubt show will do it, but seeing as HoB&W are missing two female apprentices, part of me wondered if the Sansa actress who “won’t be able to get work as an actress after what I did to her face” is some cryptic suggestion she is literally and figuratively a “faceless woman” and will come back for Arya?
I am also wondering if the HoU will turn up back in Dany’s storyline, I wonder if they have anything to do with Eurons storyline, eg it might not be a mole after all but perhaps HoU are able to track Dany’s fleet movements
Of course people feel conflicted that Jamie and Bran are on the opposing side of Dany and her dragons. You’re supposed to feel conflicted. People would feel even more conflicted if Tommen and Margery were still alive and in Dany’s way to the throne rather than Cersei. And we as an audience should question the use of the dragons as well as the waste that war is. Yes the dragons at war are great visuals but there is a point to this story more than just entertainment.
Perhaps but I think the reason Dragonglass got a lot of mention this season is specifically because it was necessary for getting Dany and Jon in the same place. I dunno about forging V.S. I dont’ think they’d be pointing out each item they have unless each were important. But maybe sam finds info on where more V.S. weapons might be.
Ok, cool. I don’t read leaks, hacked scripts, or any of that stuff.. and always worry that someone will put a plot development in a simple comment accidentally or on purpose.
Tyrion & Dany – This is essentially a still from the opening part of the Episode 5 trailer. It’ll be interesting to see who submits to Daenerys. I can’t see any of the survivors wanting to go up against Drogon again any time soon. Given the number of Dragonstone stills, I doubt Dany and Tyrion are at the battle scene for long.
Tyrion – He seems to be concerned, though whether that is because he’s figured out they’ve blown up food, can’t find any trace of Jaime, or something else, I’m not sure. Thrones is always great at slotting in character moments before and after battles, and I’m sure we’ll get more of this here.
Jon – I’m going to take a guess and say this takes place just before the trailer clip. I’m still finding it a little weird, seeing Jon without the grey/blue Northern filter. Jon seems to spend quite a bit of time brooding on the cliff. I wonder how often Rhaegar did that?
Jon & Dany – I’m guessing this is part of the same scene as the other picture of Jon. He doesn’t look too happy about something, and she seems a little concerned for him. I have loved their scenes together so far, and am really looking forward to more of that in Eastwatch.
Cersei – It is hard to tell much from this angle, but I wonder if she knows at this point of what has happened to Jaime? Regardless of the truth, will she get news that there has been an attack and he is missing? Will he get captured? Either way, I doubt she’ll be holding back.
Varys – I think this is a still from the painted table scene in the trailer. Painted table scenes tend to denote military tactics, so interesting to see that in spite of what she said in The Spoils of War about needing a new plan, Daenerys is still including him in her council.
Tyrion & Varys – Again, I think this is a still from the trailer. That limits how much they’re showing us! Not fair! These two never have bad scenes together, so I’m looking forward to this one.
Sam & Gilly – Yippee! I really missed Oldtown last episode (though I understand it would have cut the flow of things) so it is fantastic to see not only Sam back, but also Gilly. Are we to assume that while he’s been discovering how to cure Greyscale, she’s been reading through his “borrowed” books from the restricted section? I can’t wait to see what they’re finding out.
Overall, these pictures are very Dragonstone-centric. I’m hoping that means we’ll get quite a few scenes there. And for an episode entitled Eastwatch, there are none of the place included! Still, given the title, I’m hopeful we’ll see some characters we know are heading there and haven’t been seen since episode one. Tormund should be there by now (Jon left later than him and traveled further).
But we saw last episode she has been listening to Tyrion and keeping the marauding Dothraki in check and just besieging KL, then got super pissed at their setbacks and but for Jon was on her way to torch the Red Keep. This following the idea of tracking and torching Eurons fleet
She has then gone on to torch half the Lannister Army and perhaps more pointedly much of the harvest from the Reach when she torched those wagons while her bloodlust were up, which means famine throughout the realm and the little people suffering (brought to our attention in E1 with farmer=daughter)
Add in the idea of the whole “make her listen” convo, while I reckon that convo was a misdirect and was about Cersei, the prospect of it indeed being Dany means there is a suggestion brewing that the advisors think it is becoming more and more challenging to get through to her
There’s a real question mark over what Varys does if he thinks/realises there is an alternative Targaryen, who has somewhat proven himself to do the right thing for the little people (common wildling)
I reckon Jon will be the one to keep her in check, have to understand the Ice and Fire thing, eg Nights King and Wights are Ice are mirrored by Dany and Dothraki on the Fire side, as a Stark/Targaryen Jon is the synthesis of Ice and Fire
Don’t mind the Dam/Gilly scenes, more specifically I don’t mind people freeze framing and zooming in on the pages of the books they are reading and gleaning extra info not explicitly spoken
They’ve totally forgotten about The Night King, Tormund, and the Brotherhood.
Also Jaime should be a hostage. Going to be horribly disappointing if some how he escaped without being taken hostage.
Based on the trailer promo of Varys telling Tyrion he needs to find a way to get through to her, it seems rather obvious who the person will be to do that. Jon Snow. Unfortunately it seems everyone at Dragonstone this season not named Jon and Dany is just a plot device for…Jon and Dany. Which is fine I guess, but characters like Tyrion and Varys have more to offer than that.
Of course it would be absurd! Lol! But just because Daenerys and Varys had that conversation and Varys swore an oath that he would always tell her to her face, I am now fully expecting him to do just the opposite! Kinslaying, oath breaking, guest right violating, the unforgivable sins in GoT. And I am expecting Varys to turn out to be a bad guy now – I am convinced his and LF’s arcs are similar yet not overtly so, on the surface. LF openly wants power, Varys wants the power that works from behind the scenes.
TBH, though I would love to see Varys following Jon and ending up at Winterfell and being completely out of his depth there, I doubt Varys would think of Jon as someone he would be able to influence and manipulate, as he had hoped he would be with Daenerys.
Sorry I meant Grey Worm and Missandei specifically
Unsullied as a whole will stick with Dany to whatever end
You know that’s not true.
7 episode season and NK/Brotherhood haven’t been seen for 3 episodes in a row. That’s basically half the season. We’ve seen the NK for 10 seconds. And Tormund? He’s been so insignificant I can’t even remember if we’ve seen him since the premiere. He’s had like 2 lines.
Yeah he’s been made out as some ultruistic “good guy” in “contrast” to LF but there was something about that “we’re like the Lions who have tasted man” power speech to Mel
That said if Varys did follow Jon, if he thinks the likes of Mel and Kinvara are funky then what would he make of 3-eyed-Bran
Jack Bauer 24,
Tormund is, although lovable, insignificant for the story. Unless Jon or other relevant character spends time with him (or something catastrophic happens), there’s no reason to show him in every episode.
Jack Bauer 24,
Bran and the Hound sat out an entire season. Did the showrunners forget about them? The Brotherhood sat out two seasons Did the showrunners forget about them? We only saw the Night King once in season 4, once in season 5, and once in season 6. Since we already saw him in the premiere and judging from the trailers, we’re going to get more Night King and White Walker action this season than any other. In short, your complaints are unwarranted.
Kay, Ha! On second thought, it probably will be part of the story. WHERE ARE MY WAGONS???!!!!
She’s not allowed at the measters citadel which is only for boys and men. Oldtown is a different matter – it’s just a town like any other..
That shot of Tyrion walking through the blackened ruins of the battlefield is haunting. One of the most effective elements of last week’s spectacular sequence was seeing Tyrion’s horrified reaction to it. His silent acknowledgment of Qhono’s mocking assertion that “Your people can’t fight”. Seeing Lannister men (some of whom may have served under him at Blackwater) ruthlessly mowed down by Dothraki screamers. Witnessing Jaime’s valiant but dangerous charge at Dany. While there is no set of circumstances in which I believe that Tyrion was consciously undercutting his Queen with his conservative military strategy, I do believe that there was some part of him that was hoping that he could win the war without ever placing his brother’s life in danger. Seeing him wrestle with the aftermath of this devastation is one of the things that I’m most looking forward to about next episode.
Love that shot of Dany and Jon on the cliffs at Dragonstone! I really can’t get enough of their scenes together.
I can’t get a good read on Cersei’s expression, but at the very least, she doesn’t look like she’s just received word of her army’s catastrophic defeat and Jaime’s potential death or capture. To me, her posture looks more contemplative. Regardless, it will be interesting to see her in this more intimate setting, processing whatever news she’s just received.
Also – I’m glad that Gilly’s back. I wouldn’t say that she was missed in the last three episodes given all that was happening, but I’m always happy to see her.
Jack Bauer 24,
They had also totally forgotten about Bronn for the first three episodes…. until they gave him The Spoils of War. So just shut it already with this nonsense.
Jack Bauer 24,
Tormund is insignificant because he’s insignificant. Don’t know if he’ll survive this season since he’s so close to the wall.
We’ve never seen the brotherhood without banners a lot, only when Arya was with them.
And it’s normal we haven’t seen the Nights King much since he’s still north of the wall while all the living people are south of the wall. They cannot have him cross too quickly because it would become boring to see everyone fighting him for the next 9 episodes.
Your comment is spot on for me!
There are many here who feel that way, yes.
Still really sad everybody forgot about Rickon. That’s a conversation that needed to happen on screen and we’ll never hear it.
I also thought about poison, but shouldn’t that be put on the last minute for a fresh effect? Bronn didn’t do it, so I doubt Qyburn arranged for it before the Scorpion left King’s Landing (to Highgarden and back). Also, imagine how much you need to coat such a big arrowpoint, if you don’t want it to vent off during its flight.
Stannis and Mel weren’t in Season 1.
Jack Bauer 24,
It’s a shaggydog story.
(well, having Rickon as a trump card for the male Starks hiding on Skagos makes is less clear if Jon will come back)
Dragonstone only ended at Dragonstone, Eastwatch will only end at Eastwatch (?)
If Dany really wants to win this war, she should cut off Cercei’s wine supply.
It’s true Jamie has done awful things he can’t take back. The best he can do is stop doing things for selfish, evil purposes. He showed by killing the Mad King that he is capable of acting from more than self interest. What Lady Olenna confessed to, the love for his brother could help him see that Cersi is out for herself and could continue to destroy the people of Westeros.
Sam could probably always keep Gilly in Oldtown, it was just more convenient for him (and probably also for her and the baby) to leave her in his family’s place. That is, before his father lashed out, but I appreciate that was actually foreshadowing Randyll flipping sides this season.
4. Euron’s ship finding Yara’s is simply for storytelling on tv, like fighting without helmets. In addition, I think the first attacker would be very likely to die, it should be more dangerous for Euron to board another ship than for Dany to fly Drogon.
This! One reason I’ll never see Jaime’s character as “redeemed” is him pushing Bran out of the window. Until the time he acknowledges this wrongdoing (I mean, he intended to kill that poor kid just so he could continue f*cking his twin!) AND serve Bran and his cause, I’ll never root for him.
True! I don’t think she’ll last a week. 😀
This episode is titled “Eastwatch” so I’m looking forward to what’s happening that part of the north now. Some were saying in another thread this episode could be Hardhome 2.0 but Jon seems still stuck in Dragonstone (go home already KITN! you’re missing out on the reunions). The trailer showed him fighting in the north ala-Hardhome so I’m wondering if he’d be in 2 places in this episode. Anyway, I can’t wait for Sunday. Oh, I’m excited to see Sam and Gilly too.
As already explained, that is not what I was referring to. The idea of Gilly living in town while Sam went to the Citadel was raised in 603, and Sam dismissed it because they couldn’t afford it.
Whether, as someone else suggested, he was making that up, or if he found some other way to pay for it, either would work as an explanation, but there needs to be some onscreen explanation for it.
Peter’s doing a great acting job so far, especially in those scenes he didn’t have to speak. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets another Emmy nom for this season.
Yes, I could imagine his biological father doing the same type of brooding on that very cliff! It’s really nice to have him go to Dragonstone this season. Although he still doesn’t know it, for the first time, he’s had contact with his other family (their family home, Dany, dragons). He’s always been ice his whole life, and I’m curious to see how he’d embrace his fire-ness later in the series.
I hope in this episode we’ll hear them talk more other than “bend the knee/rightful queen” from Dany’s end and “Night King/army of the dead” from Jon’s. They very briefly touched on their dead brothers but so far they haven’t talked about anything personal (they’re all about business, these two). I think that’s the reason why a lot of people are complaining about their “chemistry/sexual tension” being forced because the audience has not really seen them bond on a personal level yet.
I’m looking forward to Jon’s majestic cloak. Costume department is, as always, fantastic this season.
I’m with you. Nothing on her face says anything other than “oh shit”.
I don’t know if that will ever happen but the idea of Bran and Jaime having a physical or virtual rendezvous at some point is quite intriguing. I doubt Bran has any vengeful intentions but I wonder if Arya (with Catspaw) could in some way serve as his proxy? Just wondering…
Can’t it be pretty well obvious that Sam in fact found some way to make it happen? If it isn’t otherwise repavent, whats the relevance?
It’s like the river is too deep issue. My response? Oh I guess the river was deeper than it looked
I did wonder if perchance he pawned the sword to get the money, if there are places that do that in Westeros.
You’re right. Bran is all about the big picture now. I wouldn’t mind having Arya be his proxy though. 🙂
The relevance is that it was a significant plot point in Sam’s story; indeed, it was the trigger for his Season 6 mini-arc. Just ignoring it afterward is bad writing. Once you introduce a detail like that, it has to be resolved.
Someone who hasnt seen any of the episodes would think that nothing has happened going by what youre saying. If each of the first episodes were 75 minutes long, perhaps they could have included all the things youre wishing were there. But what would they be showing that wouldnt just be filler as far as the development of the major storylines?
As much as Id like to see something from every character in every episode, its not just practical, and frankly not needed.
Wait till the season is over and then evaluate it on the whole.
We can safely and reasonably assume that the Brothers without Banners are moving north. We dont need to actually see it when there is plenty of other stuff that is more important.
Most of these characters are grey. There were times when I hated Jaime. I still can’t stand Cersei and I despised Tyron. There are other times I rooted for Jaime and yes, I always felt the conflict with in most of these characters and yes, even Cersei. That is what made Game Of Thrones stand out for me. I hated Theon. He burned 2 farm boys but then he paid his price. Dany is very far from perfect as well. She is supposed to be. We are supposed to see the results of Drogon’s destruction. Once again, the confict of the human heart is always being played out. the dragon’s intended purpose, in my honest opinion is to use against the undead, based on the house of the undying visions. None of these characters are Gods. Very few are truly evil either. And yes, an usurper is a person who takes power by force or illegally. Isn’t Dany trying to take the throne by force? Is she a liber ator? Yes, but she does what she feels is the best thing for the 7 kingdoms. Tell that to the common people. I don’t even know what the commoneres even think about any of this except based on what they said to Arya.
Yes, Jaime is frustrating me now. I am not happy with his story at this point. I am not happy about alot of things but I think the viewers are supposed to feel this way.
On the lower left of the photo of Varys at Dragonstone, is that a miniature of The Imp kung fu kicking a Lannister lion?
If so where can I get one?
Because of the shorter seasons, I suspect the days of a big battle happening in the 9th episode followed by a more introspective and forward-looking 10th episode are behind us.
Not that I mind. This season has been terrific.
Looking forward to reading Sunday’s inevitable “that was a letdown after last week” comments. Yawn.
Jaime to get his other hand cut off
Probably the fact that Magi the Frog successfully predicted the death of her three children correctly, and Cersei knowing the Valonqar will strangle her.
Well said… Glad to see others on this site are fed up with the nonsense and crap ‘Jack Bauer 24’ continually posts! Before S7 aired it was ‘No Episode Titles’ and now after 4 episodes, its: “They’ve totally forgotten about The Night King, Tormund, and the Brotherhood”… FSS !!!
I’m sure we’ve all seen the HBO trailer for this season (including JB 24) which shows the Hound with the BwoB and Beric with his flaming sword? We also know from Ep1 that Jon sent Tormund and the wildlings to Eastwatch – Which just happens to be the title for Ep5.
From that, I think one can deduce that all these ‘forgotten characters’ will make an appearance in Ep5 and quite probably in the remaining two episodes of S7.
Tormund and Brienne dialogue
Yes, this season has been great! While I’d like a 10-episode season (for personal reasons), I get why 7 episodes are just about the right number to tell the story that needs to be told. The storytelling is more focused now.
Varys or even more shocking if its Missandrei.
Cersei certainly does not appear to have an inscrutable look. She looks very, very, stunned, shocked and worried. One does not simply sit on the edge of a bed and stare blankly into space unless there is cause for great concern and troublement in one’s mind. Would it not be exquisitely “Game of Thrones” if Jamie did die at the end of episode 4?
Imagine the collective troublement, concern, shock and worry, if this is so?
Actually no traitor remember they captured Ellaria, her daughter and Yara. One of them would have been tortured to reveal that.
I can imagine the Hound shitting himself when he see’s the wights let alone the Night King. Imagine the dialogue. What the fuck are these things! why wont they stop moving.
Qyburn paid by the shows producers to tip the arrow with posion. To save on CGI costs for Season 8.
I lol at that. Tycho has looked more excited and happy than we’ve ever seen him before, but that’s the thought of all that gold coming in. I sincerely think he would think schtupping, even a queen, would be far too … messy.
I loved the scenes in the cave last week – I’m wondering if they’ll show the cave again, maybe show them mining the dragonglass, or show piles of it already mined.
I’m curious whether Jaime will be the same once he comes from the water – we know he’s surviving that, almost like a baptism, to be “born again.” That’s how I’m looking at it – he was so overcome with emotion at the sight of all those burning soldiers, at the sight of a real dragon, and reaction to everything Olenna said to him. Bronn already commented that Jaime was behaving strangely. So, will his near-death experience change him, or is he already more numb to life than he realized?
In the previews it showed Bran warging into a flock of ravens and flying over the Night King. Previews also showed Jon telling everyone that his brother Bran has “seen” the Night King advancing on Eastwatch. So somehow Sansa relayed to Jon in a very convincing manner what is going on with Bran, and apparently Jon has told the Dragonstone group what’s happening. Now I’m excited to see what comes of that, and what Dany’s frame of mind is after her “victory.” Is she going to opt to fly straight for Kings Landing or will Jon convince her to do something different?
I’m happy for any scene with Arya, but Not looking forward to scenes of LF still lurking around like a fly on shit.
I’m wondering how Jaime, presuming he’s taken captive, will best be used as a bargaining chip. Tyrion will not want him killed and will argue that he has leverage with Cersei. Others may think it too risky to allow him to be involved in such a negotiation (even though I expect Jaime to express remorse for what Tyrion went through as a result of Cersei’s accusations).
It would be interesting if Jon were to step in and resolve the argument by saying that Jaime’s fighting skills are needed at the Wall. Taking the Black might actually come as a relief to a highly conflicted Jaime at this point. And if his transport party stops at Winterfell en route, we get opportunities to see Jaime face-to-face with both Brienne and Bran.
But their living arrangements really aren’t very relevant to the overarching plot of the show. While it might be nice to dot every single “i” and cross every last “t” I don’t think calling it “bad writing” is fair. It’s so minor. We can surmise that they found lodging in Oldtown and have the funds to pay for it. It doesn’t require any more explanation. We can fill in the blanks ourselves.
It’s similar to needing to know exactly how Jorah made it to Oldtown. We didn’t see it but he probably came by boat.
Took the words right out… off my speedily-keyboarding fingers.
I’m seriously jonesing for the Boyz n the Brotherhood. Withdrawal is a terrible thing. 😛
She’ll need a really, really big pillow.
I hadn’t made it this far in the comments before I posted my own response.
Clearly, great minds think alike. 😛
I’m curious whether Jaime will be the same once he comes from the water – we know he’s surviving that, almost like a baptism, to be “born again.
This line made me think about something. What do most of the surviving characters have in common? They have been “reborn” in some kind of way. I think this is a clue for who is going to fight against the walkers/wights but not sure what it means for their future afterwards.
Dany-reborn in the pyre
Jon-reborn through ritual
Jamie-reborn in water
theHound-unknown how but brother Ray said he should be dead and somehow saved
Arya-reborn at Hobaw (showed her dead face after Jaquen swallowing poison, stabbed fatally but lived.
Bran-died in cave
That leaves Sansa, Tyrion and Cercei who are just normal and will probably not have a fighting role. Did I forget anyone?
A Dornish Tyrell,
See S2e4 and e6: LF deceiving Catelyn into disobeying and undermining Robb; and conspiring with Tywin to beat Robb.
Well atleast Cersei got her clean bed linens. And no one to share them with! Too soon?! Thats like the pot calling the Kettleblack…once you go Kettleblack you never go back.
I think dragons are immune to poisons.
Just give up dude! I and others have already told you about Sam and Gilly and hit it on the nose. If you chose to be stubborn and get bend out of shape perhaps give the showrunners a call and tell them to give Sam a line where he says… “Umm.. Gilllyyyyy… I spent good gold for this shack here in oldtown because you and little Sam weren’t allowed in the Citadel”
Boom! problem solved. I can’t believe it needs to be spelled out so it can be “good writhing” for those that lack logic.
At this point the showrunners should just tell the audience the Forecast too for those that might complain about the weather one day like “Omg why is Jon wearing his fur coat at a beach when he’s not in the north? that’s just lazy writting, I’d wish they tell us how cold it is. I see the sun in the background so I know it’s not cold”
For the sake of argument and perspectivism, one could say Sansa, Tyrion and Cersei are “normal” polical figures, who were all “reborn” in psychological way, that changed their characters arc and mindset significantly. Where as the above mentioned are all warrior characters physically reborn accordingly. Bran’s rebirth was predestined and besides, as an almost divine character, he’s in a league of his own 🙂
Cersei made a life-changing transition through imprisonment, “reborn” through her naked-as-a-newborn walk of atonement, and the death of her last child – thereby pretty much shedding her last human traits to become a fullblown, heartless mad queen.
Tyrion was cut down on the Blackwater beach. Thereby going from being a powerful Hand of the King and savior of KL, falling down through imprisonment and patricide – shedding his final affiliation with the Lannister life. He then came out on the other side, through the “womb” of Vary’s crate, learning to live anew (sober!) as a nobody during Jorah’s kidnapping and time as a slave, only to be “reborn” as Hand of the Queen.
Sansa went from being a childish dreamer/follower by surviving Ramsey’s “treatments” to a point, where she was ready to die by her own hand, only to come out as a pro-active protagonist and polical player of the game. Though her “rebirth” will not be final until she cuts the naval cord to her creator…LF!
Maybe a little fetched, but worth a thought… Oh btw.: I guess both Theon and Euron should be somewhere on that list as well, right 🙂
Not sure if officially released photos might be considered spoilers by somebody, but anyway:
So Sam and Gilly are leaving Oldtown? About time… those old scrolls Sam was given should contain the final bit of information to complete their mission there. Question is: where are they heading to? [/ spoiler]
Puhlease. There isn’t a survivor from that battle that ever wants to face Drogon again. None of them want anymore. And she just wrecked Cersei’s army. It doesn’t get much more victory than it did. Close air support is a game changer. It was from the first time a plane straffed troops in the open and is in this situation as well. Your arrow comment is equivalent to someone shooting a pilot out of a fighter plane. Danny has been losing because she hasn’t brought all her forces to bear. She won’t lose again as long as Drogon is on the field.
Oh I don’t need a big battle to have an amazing episode. As long as youre excited than I am for sure!!!!!!
A Dornish Tyrell,
As if people need that explained lol
Thank you for reminding everyone in every single thread.
Nice find. If that is an official photo from this episode then…
Putting my comment behind spoiler coding, just in case.
Yeah, omg he is soooooooo brave.. so brave he pushed a ten year old out the window.
I absolutely love Dany this season.. and Emilia is killing it!! Just looking at the first pic and she looks amazing 🙂
Also I never in my life expected to get sooo much Dany and Jon soo soon 🙂 I am so happy!!! I look forward to that the most in this coming episode. As well as the aftermath of Fire Battle! I also look forward to anything Eastwatch LOL given the name of the episode.
It wasn’t a minor plot point in Sam’s plot. It literally motivated his arc in Season 6. If they have money now, there has to be an explanation.
This isn’t an isolated case, either. It’s emblematic of the writing’s tendency to ignore previous details.
How did you do that, precisely? Your only statement was to differentiate between the Citadel and Oldtown, which, as I already pointed out, was not what I was talking about.
My random comment:
• I’m loving Arya this season. The Hot Pie, Nymeria, and Sansa reunions were more than I could’ve hoped for. (Just waiting for her reunions with the Hound, hopefully this season; and with Jon, which they’re probably saving for S8).
• Needle returning to WF where it/he/she was forged was a weirdly emotional moment involving an inanimate object…probably because it reminded me of the scene in which Jon presented Needle to Arya in S1.
• But what I loved the most? Arya walking into the WF courtyard in her spiffy new warrior princess outfit and Ned hairdo; and her wonderfully choreographed sparring session with Brienne.
• I did not even notice the BEST part of that scene until my ninth or tenth rewarch – a sleight-of-hand deftly executed by Arya that prompted an impressed Brienne to ask: “Who taught you how to do that ?”
Arya, anticipating Brienne grabbing her hand holding the dagger, switched the dagger to her other hand in a blink-and-you-miss-it move. And I DID completely miss the hand-switch the first eight or nine times I watched that scene.
– End Fanboy Interlude –
He knows the dragonglass works. Old books in Castle Black’s library say so and Sam killed a Wight with it. Jon already said this season that he trusts Sam more than any other person on planetos.
Jamie is the most complex character on the show. You love him, you hate him, you love him, you hate him. All the other characters have an arc and you know where they stand. jamie is all over the place due to the situations he keeps getting put into.
My best guess
No offense, but look at Jamie and Cersei war help compared to Dany. Dany has Varys, Tyrion, Missandei, Grey Worm (who does not know Westeros) as her war advisors. Where is the knowledge and experience in this group of people? yara is gone but all yara has ever done is raid the western shores of Westeros. Jorah isn’t there and neither is Daario. I would be sending for Daario right now if I was her.
Cersei has Jamie who was trained by Tywin and Randyll Tarly who in my opinion was always the best General in Westeros from the books, NOT Stannis. Yes, Dany can easily win the war by burning down KL but then lose the love the people. There will be other nobles and innocent people in KL that probably have no part in the war which could effect other regions thoughts on the matter. It is not Plot nor the writers. It is simply the way and which dany wants to win the war and she is outmatched when it comes to strategy.
I almost bet that Cersei lasts a long time in the books as well
God, I hope we get less of her. Cersei scenes are when I take a bathroom break. Lena Headey is undeniably an incredible actress, but Cersei is insufferable. D&D are making the plot bend over backwards to keep Lena around, and IMO it shows.
IA. Another reason I like Dany is that she walks this grey line as well (and I know the same motivates Theon fans).
I will say that after Season 2 I wouldn’t say Jaime has done anything that could be considered… evil. And he has done many heroic things. Last 4 seasons the worst you could say is that he stubbornly remained loyal to his family/sister/lover. This would seem to be heroic as well… except his “family” now consists of a raging psychopath so…
Other characters don’t have to deal with being so tangled up with Cersei. Hence complex/tortured/rollercoastery Jaime, love or hate him.
BTW if anyone wants to hate Jaime to the end for Bran or Ned’s men I say more power to you. Same for Sandor or Theon for their child-killing. I personally will never forgive Tywin or the Moubtain for the Targ babes. Those are each unforgivable acts for sure. But “Redemption” isn’t an actual thing where like you do enough good stuff and it somehow “Balances out” bad stuff. But I would hope that anyone would agree that having done bad stuff, then trying to do good stuff going forward is better than cynically saying nothing really matters or turning to hedonism or something.
And they missed to create a magnificent fan craze. The still of Arya and Brienne pointing blades at each other’s throats should have been released preseason. Just think of all the wild theories why are those two fighting…
Oooh, how insightful! Try reading my comment for comprehension next time. I don’t know how many comments I’ve made regarding “bringing Dany’s forces to bear” to include recon and air support, but for some reason you chose to react to this one. Dany’s “victory” wasn’t that much in this case. After Big D was injured and landed, she dismounted without armor and was entirely exposed. A surviving archer from 50 yds could have targeted her. She was exposed. Do you think a pilot of an A-10 Warthog would be safe after he/she exited their plane? It was just a thought, not a critique of the scene.
I have a favorite quote regarding redemption,
“By our interactions with each other we redeem us all.” ML Von Franz
There isn’t a major character in GoT who hasn’t done something wrong. It’s through their relationships with others that some atone (make amends) by stopping their evil acts and choosing to act in a way that leads to their redemption. The Hound is beginning that journey by acting for the benefit of others instead of existing by taking what he needs to exist. Having to face his selfish actions when he stole from the farmer and his daughter which contributed to their deaths ends with the night burial, awkward prayer and his apology for their death. His interactions with decent people changed him. The Hound is showing regret and following it up by going on this quest to the wall. He may not have remembered the prayer but saying sorry was what was important. He’s a foul mouthed diamond in the rough.
We had some filming spoilers in a thread here with images from that scene. It doesn’t tell us ‘why’ it would happen of course, but it’s expected.
I have an annual Summer outing this weekend in an area with poor cell service and no wifi… This will be the first time during the series run that I’ll miss the first airing of an episode!! 🙁
Definitely a moment where you shouldn’t blink 😉 Awesome trick, which I didn’t notice either until the third time around!
As I wrote in another section earlier this week, I used to cringe everytime Maisie handled Needle earlier in the show, but now the choreography and Maisie/Brienne’s execution finally painted a true picture Arya’s lethal fencing skills. Enjoyed every second of it and every single rewatched moment!
I agree with this in part and/or some of the time. A couple of the Cersei scenes have been really great, but others are getting a little long in the tooth. Things need to happen with and to her… get her out of her ‘high castle.’ There’s only so much smug gloating one can take. When I’m rewatching episodes on streaming I have had the tendency to skip over King’s Landing scenes the last couple of seasons, with exceptions of course. All of those High Sparrow scenes are hard to sit through more than a couple of times.
I don’t think some of you realize Cersei is the only obstacle left before the story tackles its final act: Living vs Dead. I’d have Cersei for another 10 episodes as that would mean I’ll get 20 more GoT episodes to enjoy.
He’s got a point. It is definitely a plot hole. Not a massive one mind you, but those of you telling people who see those plot holes to essentially “shut up” or “create your own head canon” are in the wrong imo.
Hell, I’ll raise you another 54 episodes!! 😛
Between the espisode preview clip of Dany rearing up on Drogon in front Jon, and knowing Jon gets up to Eastwatch fast somehow, I think this might not be a bad guess!
It’s not a plot hole. Plot holes are inconsistencies that can’t be explained away. Sam could have stolen the gold from his parents.
I would categorize murdering an old lady as evil…
Don’t shoot the messenger – Jamie was only delivering Cersei’s poison 😉 (or Qyburn to be exact)
One could argue that was an act of war. I’m not sure what else they are supposed to do with her, and he refused to torture her to death like Cersei wanted.
But you def have a point. It’s hard to argue Jaime remaining loyal to Cerseis cause at this point is moral. He’s trying to be decent within a completely indecent framework.
Well said 🙂
Hey Black Raven. Excellent episode of Thronecast this week. Al Murray knows his GOT and got a word in without JR vying for centre of attention. Meryn Trant and Blackfish great guests Owen Teale next week, I look forward to that.
Dead Dane Walking,
But mom! She told me to!!
If Arya has a reunion with the Hound, Brianne has to be there.
Hi Carole – Yes, it was very good and as you say, Al Murray really knows his stuff. Great also to see Meryn Trant and the Blackfish as ex-cast guests. I reckon Owen Teale’s comments (Ser Alliser Thorne and Jon Snow’s nemesis till his luck ran out!) will be interesting to hear. Hope he’s not suffering too much after getting his neck stretched 😉
By and large, Thronecast is pretty good. i.e. If they don’t have Jonathan Ross on as guest with his smart arse comments!
Or he could have taken out a loan from the Iron Bank…or he could be working part time as a male escort. The possibilities are endless!!!! Anything that requires the audience to make something up themselves to counter act something an actor said on screen, then ignores…is absolutely a plot hole.
Wrong. As I said, a plot hole in an inconsistency that can’t be explained away. If an explanation exists, it’s not a plot hole. An example of a plot hole would be if the Tyrells were stated to have 5 children, and then it was revealed that they have four. Or, if Oberyn was said to have been born in Dorne, but it was later stated he was born at Winterfell. Both of these examples are direct inconsistencies that cannot be explained. That’s not to say that you can’t consider Gilly’s living situation bad writing, it’s just not a plot hole.
Dead Dane Walking,
That’s good, and I forgot about poor Theon. But somehow I don’t see him in a fighting role, more of a “rescues a pivotal character at some point” which looks to be Yara of course, but I don’t see her as a big player so someone else too down the line, anyways Euron is a wild card, introduced very late and I haven’t given him much thought actually. Interesting though that their house motto is “What is dead may never die.” Their “drowned god” has never really been given much thought but with the ice army not being able to cross water I do wonder if that will be some force brought into play. (At least in the books)
It’s definitely a plot hole, to make a statement then completely ignore it. But, that’s fine we’re splitting hairs here. I’ll surrender to the “bad writing” term. Especially Sam stealing a Valyrian sword (priceless) and his dad never even looks for him to get it back lol.
I’ve explained twice now what a plot hole entails and provided examples, whereas all you’ve done is deny it. Oh well, as you said, were splitting hairs. It’s just seeing this fandom constantly misuse the word has turned this into a pet peeve of mine. All I can say is you can misuse the term all you want, but I will always correct you.
I believe the “secret” to Valerian steel is simply dragon fire. It’s possible there is more to it, but I think that’s the major component.
So you’re saying we need to see a scene of Sams dad mentioning the Vallyrian sword is stolen and having soldiers looking for Sam which is a another plot added that is is not going to go anywhere. I don’t need it and I don’t care. If I’m reading it on paper that’s fine but for film give that screen time to other characters instead of lord Tarly crying about his sword. All I need to know is the sword is stolen by Sam and probably will be used later on in the story.
But noooooo…. everything gotta be spoon fed for some people.
Here let me try complain too… Omg such a plot hole we never got to see or hear if they burned the bodies outside of Winterfell after the battle of bastards that’s just bad writing.
Sorry I just got a headache pretending to complain for no reason. How do some of you do it?
Lord Tarly wouldn’t need to have men look for Sam. He knows exactly where he is: the Citadel. That’s why the whole thread with Heartsbane is bad writing. The writers blatantly just wanted to give Sam a Valyrian steel sword, but they did so in a manner that makes no sense, because Lord Tarly would have immediately retrieved it. The writers just ignored that.
Yep, I couldn’t agree more! There are several posters on this website who are always complaining about so called plot holes – Why Randyll Tarley hasn’t said anything to Jaime about one of his sons taking the family sword – How did Sam manage to find accommodation in Oldtown or how he pays for it – Why didn’t/hasn’t Sansa told Arya about the death of Rickon – What is the number of ships Dany along with the Unsullied, the Dothraki, the Greyjoys, etc sailed to Westeros in – What is the size of the Lannister army – and so and on! The list just goes on and on.
GRRM in his novels perhaps goes into finer details such as these and maybe is the reason why it takes him so long to write and finish them! However, B&W have a finite time (and budget) to complete GoT and have obligations with HBO to bring the story to its conclusion .
Although I love the show, it will have run for 8 seasons (73 episodes) and I for one will be bloody glad when when it comes to S8ep6 with that ‘bittersweet’ ending the GRRM has promised.
Indeed! While I must agree that in the books it’s filled with a whole lot of detail of location, travel, lore history, Weirwood dreams, character motivations etc… GRRM even tells me how delisious bacon sausage with applecakes, and double helping of fried eggs cooked up with onions and fiery Dornish peppers is.
It’s all great read however for the TV show certain details don’t need to be hammered in and I understand that. When Sam was stealing Heartsbane Gilly asked would his father come for him and his reply was “well he can bloody damn try.”
Next we see Lord Tarly occupied with bigger issues at hand. Just how Arya original plan was to kill Cersei a change of destination too must have took place for Tarly. No, Randyll Tarly did not mentioned anything about the Sword this season and I feel like he does not need to give us(the audience) a reason for it unless that’s part of the plot.
That’s nit-picking which I’ve seen from few, not a lot they just a loud minority as the show audience grows breaking episode ratings. For many D&D will never be as great as GRRM and yes, no one will be but I think the show runners have been doing a great job living to the spirits of the world at best they can. I mean it’s a little unfair when George all he gotta do is just type with no time limit vs putting a show out within a year and making sure cast and crew are ready to create the magic. I mean I get it, there’s some things I would have love to see done on the show but dont know if it fits perfectly with the timing or translation on screen without overly complicating the script.
It wouldn’t be an issue of being occupied with bigger things. Lord Tarly’s men would have easily retrieved the sword from Sam on the road, in the ordinary course of events. It’s not hard for mounted riders to catch up to a carriage.
If a character in a modern drama stole a suitcase with a million dollars in it from his abusive father, and then moved back to his apartment with it, and this theft was never mentioned again despite his father having every reason and capability to get the money back, is that not bad writing?
Exactly what I thought. She looks like she’s brooding there.
I expect that if the plot doesn’t need Heartsbane after all, the writers will declare that Sam simply hung it back out of the camera, realizing it was a stupid move after Gilly talked him out of it in the corridor. (Maybe he can get it back again now that Dany defeated the Tarlys.) As long as we don’t see Heartsbane again, it’s the best patch I have. But yeah, let’s see, if Jorah has the sword now…
2 weeks left 🙁 We’ll get the “2 episodes left promo after this one.
Looking forward to Jon’s scenes and Sam and Gilly of course.
I guess you need to be spoon fed too lol!!!!
Every chemical has a half-life and even if those bolt tips were coated with poison, by the time they left the Red Keep and entered Drogon’s bloodstream, chances are that the poison has been ineffective at that point.
Certainly you could use poison to defend the Red Keep with barrels of poison beside each ballista. But poison doesn’t work by “let’s dip it in poison and it will forever be poisonous” like it does on RuneScape.
I mean I’m not an expert and the show is fantasy so the bolt tips could very well be poisonous, but unless we saw Bronn dip them in some poison, I don’t believe there’s reason to worry. I could be proven wrong though.
The only reason some of the above mentioned are issues is because the writers begin things and then don’t explain them. For instance Same tells Gilly he can’t afford to take her to Oldtown, so she’s going to stay with his family. Oh wait, his father has an irrational hatred of wildlings despite being a southron lord hundreds of miles from any wildlings! Ok, no problem Gilly we’re going anyway!
Or, the show does a nice job early on of letting the viewers know the rarity of Valyrian steel and how much it’s worth. Then when Sam steals one from his crazy abusive nut job dad who said he’d kill Sam before letting him wield said sword….nothing.
The number of ships stuff and distance jumping is silly nonsense of course. But that doesn’t mean that every criticism is nonsense. The show while amazing…I spend copious amounts of time on a site talking about it ffs…is fallible. There are issues this late in the game, and there’s nothing wrong with people pointing them out.
If Dany doesn’t check the water for Jaime/Bronn, it’ll be the most ridiculous thing ever. They can’t stay submerged forever so she should definitely take them hostage. It’ll be totally cringe if they magically show up in KL.
Jack Bauer 24,
I assume he’s joking. Now that you can see his feet, it’s official he ain’t no merman.
At least that’s what I got out of it.
Jack Bauer 24,
Dany doesn’t know those are Jaime and Bronn and it’s easy to assume they drowned in the water. Jaime especially, as he was wearing armor.
I guess. But she’s right there. How long can he stay underwater with that armor? He should surface while she’s still in the vicinity and even if she doesn’t know he is Jaime Lannister she should realize he’s an important/ high ranking member of the Lannister army.
Jack Bauer 24,
Blackwater Rush has a swift current. Hence the “Rush” in Blackwater Rush. The currents are “wicked and treacherous” according to the books. It’s possible the current will take them much further downstream where nobody is looking for them.
They may very well get captured, and they may very well get away too. Both options are entirely plausible. Either way, I’m content to let it play out on the show. I have enough respect for the writers to give them the benefit of the doubt.
The current looked non existent. Definitely not “treacherous” as Jaime was sinking.
Jack Bauer 24,
That’s why you should let the scene play out before assuming anything. Who knows what will happen? Give the writers a chance before getting upset over it.
Dany looks so incredibly beautiful in those still images. Especially the new one on the throne.
So you wanted a scene with Lord Tarly having a reaction? Like randomly being placed in an episode haha
Let’s check Winterfell, now back to Dragonstone, now let’s go to Horn hill and see Randyll looking mad about his sword. Yea, no thanks!
Let’s assume he was mad or maybe Mellesa Florent told him to wait because his Lord Mace Tyrell just got blown to shits. I don’t know and it doesn’t matter i’d prefer to read about it so keep that offscreen. Next!
That would be a little silly for them to try to slip past considering he clearly had a wrapped up sword with them when they got off the wagon at Oldtown.
I don’t have a problem with them not mentioning it again since. Randyll was probably pissed but figured he can get it back when he has the time. There have been more important things to deal with. The show also has more important things to focus on at the moment than dedicating time on the storyline of a sword. It’s likely to be mentioned again at some point – perhaps if Sam loans it to someone to fight the WW.
If the show starts a plot of Sam stealing an incredibly powerful sword that his father explicitly does not want him to have, it has to actually factor in how that would work.
Easy fix. Jaime while attempting to bring Tarly over to the Lannister side, says something along the lines of “Where’s Heartsbane? I’d love to see such a famous sword” and then Randyll responds with “my damn fat craven son stole it with his wildling whore and my men couldn’t find him” (or anything else really so we know we’re not supposed to like his character). There done.
What really would have made more sense though is for Sam to steal gold (or his mom give him some) on his way out. Then where-ever Heartsbane is supposed to show up happens after Randyll meets the grisly end I’m sure he’s heading towards.
You head canon people crack me up. “Let’s assume _____”. That just makes for bad writing. You people do whatever it takes to make it seem like the show is flawless and then pitch a fit if people bring up and discuss issues they see.
I’d say more, but wouldn’t want to get this post deleted too.
Also, the jumping from one spot on Westeros to the next to check in with different characters has been the modus operandi since season 1. Not sure how that mocks me, but good job.
Quick question for any mods out there. How are my posts being deleted when I’m merely reacting to unjustified attacks to personally reasonable discussion topics? Don’t see the fairness in that.
In one post you called someone dumb, and in the next you called them a tool. Stop violating our very straightforward rules of moderation about name-calling and personal attacks, and your posts won’t be deleted. The other people, as much they annoyed you by disagreeing with you, did not violate those rules.
Sue the Fury,
Omg…about time – THANK YOU!
I understood the plot for Sam going to Horn Hill for two reasons.
One is for the audience to be introduced to Randyll Tarly and the kind of man he is.
I know in the books we get introduced early on supporting Renly’s claim to the throne.
Two for the introduction of Heartsbane which I’m sure will play a part later(Hopefully)
This separates into two plots. Randy’ll coming into play as we saw this current season and Heartsbane purpose for whenever that will be revealed.
Now if Randy’ll would have mentioned how mad he is and how he’s gonna go after Sam it would create a new plot and if abandoned it creates a plot-hole.
Luckily the writters chose not to go that route and just kept whatever said offscreen since The Reach had many other distractions going for it. Last thing the writters need is to create a bigger web and get tangled.
Randy’ll not mentioning the sword does not change or ruin anything at least for me.
I understand where you coming from tho. I mean, I would love to see what Cersei thought of the painting on the floor from that nice fellow painter. Did she like it? Was it too bright? Did he paint Lannisport better than the guy who crafted Ned Stark statue and if he got paid well. 😉
Jon doesnt wear the Stark breastplate!!! This is worring me.
Sue the Fury,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.
However, I do take umbrage with the insinuation that my issue was with a person disagreeing with me. I was having a perfectly reasonable disagreement when another poster entered the fray (which of course is perfectly fine) with sarcasm dripping in their response to me.
“But noooooo…. everything gotta be spoon fed for some people.
Here let me try complain too… Omg such a plot hole we never got to see or hear if they burned the bodies outside of Winterfell after the battle of bastards that’s just bad writing.
Sorry I just got a headache pretending to complain for no reason. How do some of you do it?”
I apologize for taking an overly direct approach in response to that. It won’t happen again. But to characterize my reaction to the above as being annoyed by their disagreeing with me is disingenuous. When approached with hostility for no reason, I will respond in kind. I will no longer use that kind of language in doing so. Thank you. 🙂
Yeah no, this is on you. People are allowed to be sarcastic, don’t blame this on other people. If you can’t handle it without losing your temper and calling them names, you’re not allowed to post. So control your temper.
So almost there and we still don’t know who wrote this episode?
Why no titles for Eps 6 and 7?
Sue the Fury,
Sue can I call myself an idiot … A man sometimes does realise he’s lost and has not understood something until someone else shines light on the matter
No, this is great! Jon should have lost that breastplate an episode ago. It was starting to look uncomfortable.
Varys is a merman theory busted.
I LOVE the wolf pieces on the war table in the pic with Jon and Davos. I’m not sure if maybe they’ve shown those before and I missed them, but seeing those really made my day.
Sue the Fury,
I never said it wasn’t on me. You missed my point entirely….or I didn’t explain it clearly enough.
I think we are meant to feel that way, between Dany and Cersei right now D&D are setting up that there are no good and bad guys in this battle and it”s ultimately just a waste because the real war lies in the North.
I don’t believe Jamie will be a prisoner, it’s possible Bronn may be toasted but Jamie must surely escape if he’s going to be the one to eventually take out Cersei as many suspect. The idea of Tyrion playing a role in that I kind of like.
Not sure if you are hinting spoilers but I’m expecting Cersei to go down this season probably in the last episode and probably with Jamie doing it.
Sorry but do you genuinely believe this? I’d be amazed if a Dany vs Cersei face off is not coming in a dream of spring. No doubt she will die in the next few episodes because we all know she won’t rule at the end but she’s been a fantastic and complex character.
I think it’s more like this:
Dany – Reborn through Fire
Jaime (and possibly Euron) – Reborn through Water
Beric and Jon – Reborn through R’hillor
Hound – Reborn through the Seven
Arya – Reborn through the Faceless God
Bran – Reborn through the Old Gods
Keeps the viewer from really knowing which is real (or if any is real). This is a theme that GRRM has kept throughout ASOIAF along with the vagueness of magic. I respect that these themes were upheld somewhat in the show (although it may have been through need rather than want).
It is not fair that Westeros gets Hyperloop systems before us!
This string is assuming that Danny knew there was food in those wagons. I somehow doubt she had a bill of lading available up there on Drogon. The assumptions being made and then attributing stupidity or malice is becoming annoying.
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