Spain was chosen to stand in for the warm desert-like region of Dorne, but you wouldn’t know it from the rain in the country today. However that didn’t stop Game of Thrones from shooting, despite some questions as to whether cameras would roll once the poor weather forecast became known.
According to ElCorreo, the show started shooting at 6 in the morning. Extras were present, taking on the roles of soldiers and servants, many people clad in Martell orange.
ElCorreo even managed to catch a glimpse of Nell Tiger Free and Toby Sebastian:
Free took the time to meet and pose with a few lucky fans of the show near the Alcazar:
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In other filming news:
This Croatian TV report holds an interesting bit of info. Around the 1:44 mark, Conleth Hill in Varys costume is spotted at the Villa Sheherezade, around the distinctive gate. Crews were seen in the area of the villa in early October. Boxes were seen outside the villa marked “Illyrio’s,” hinting that the show is headed back to Pentos to see Magister Illyrio Mopatis.
HODOR!
I wonder if they are keeping
or if they are recasting
instead
The rain in Span falls mainly on the plains.
Anyway, it is good that the filming info keeps rolling in. I hope there are a lot more from Spain over the next few weeks, and we get some decent glimpses of Doran, Areo and the Sand Snakes.
Turncloak,
Also, I was always pretty critical of the Myrcella recast, but the pics of Nell here with her hair done in Myrcella’s wavier style actually look pretty good. I could actually see more casual viewers failing to notice the recast at all.
Turncloak,
I’m hoping for NO re-cast!
Turncloak,
I’d guess no recast, or someone would have heard something about it, by now. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking. Anyway, as people have already said, he could certainly be reprising his role, but only appearing in indoor scenes, so he would be needed in Croatia. I also checked his performance schedule and there are two days off, instead of the usual one, this weekend. http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/whats-on/2014/seminar/
Flights from London to Dubrovnik are under 3 hours long, so to fly him down and back in time for his next performance 7:30 Tuesday night, while cutting it close, would not be impossible.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
They’re done in Dubrovnik. He would’ve had to go last weekend when they filmed the exteriors for his manse or just wait and do interiors in N.I. only.
WillDo’s report that they were shooting his manse in the villa is confirmed by the video of Conleth in Dubrovnik linked in the other thread btw.
Myrcella 2.0 looks like Teresa Palmer.
It’s linked/embedded in this post. Up above.
Ah, I thought the video showing Conleth was from the last couple of days, which is why I said what I said. I suppose I should have checked to see what date it was that Conleth was spotted, first. My bad.
Sue the Fury,
Oh okay. For some reason it’s obscured by the instagram picture for me. If others are commenting on the video here though, the glitch must only apply for my internet.
This idea that an actor/actress is a “thing” that one just pack and beam it wherever that it suits the phantasies of the fans is really upsetting. As if an actor/actress does not need time in between different projects, rehearsals, preparation in terms of costume fitting and make up, sleep etc… even if a part of preparations have been done in advance it sounds inhuman.
I love the modern twist on Myrcella’s costuming.
😉
Good. Let it rain.
I’m tired of every scene being filmed against a perfect, clear blue sky in every part of the world. Weather is varied, people!
Given I was the one suggesting he has an extra day off, so getting to Dubrovnik and back (if the dates aligned, which it turns out they didn’t) was plausible, my statement had nothing to do with seeing actors as “things,” nor anything about fulfilling any sort of fantasy. Instead, it stems from having first-hand knowledge of the schedules actors sometimes keep, and the crazy things they sometimes have to do. I was involved in a production wherein the lead actor was performing on the west coast, and had to fly to New York for one day to do a read through for his next project, then make it back to the west coast for the next round of performances…just as one example.
Greenjones,
It might be an Internet Explorer problem because I just checked on google chrome and the Varys video was not obscured by the Nell instagram pic. (A message to my past self).
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Aye. I don’t know whether Allam in particular is such a busy bee that he’d be willing to fly somewhere to shoot for a day on his days off from a play…but there are actors who are even busier bees than that.
So
You guys ever feel like maybe you’d enjoy the show more if you stopped looking at all these pictures and predicting what happens in every episode?
I’m starting to feel that way. Like I just don’t want to know anything more until it premieres.
*refreshes page*
D’Arcy,
I want to know stuff so I don’t rage when I see stuff onscreen that I don’t like. I need to be well prepared etc etc
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
It’s not personal at all 🙂 I just picked up on your comment in this post because it had been repeated many, many times by other commentators in a previous one. It somehow sounds inhuman. In any case I think it is highly impossible to recast such a good actor as Allam and thus to impose an anxiety on this matter is just pointless unless the opposite is evidently the case which is something to be seen in due time.
dothrakian raven,
No worries. I just wanted to clarify whence my comment came.
lol
Nell looks enough like Aimee Richardson that I don’t really mind the recast, as long as she can act well.
Big Mac,
Acting ability is likely the reason for the recast in the first place.
I really hope the show creates some scenes between Varys And Illyrio. We need more Varys. There’s been too little of him the past two seasons.
i think nell will be a fine myrcella…she looks more of what i had in mind when reading anyways…aimee was great with what they gave her…but nell looks more like a younger cercei…im excited…beginning to embrace the changes and just totally separate the two so ic an just sit back and enjoy
So excited ! I’m sure soon we will get some pic for Areo and the snakes and Alexander ..etc in customs !! AaaswAh screaming .
So do you think they will go with Marcylla
It’s awesome that Illyrio and Lancel are basically confirmed and that Kevan is likely
D’Arcy,
Honestly, I’d enjoy the show tons more (though changes WOULD disappoint me) but the offseason speculation/filming news is half the fun. I won’t be doing it as often next year, though. Next year filming news will be pure spoilers all around.
Lady Nym,
Some s5 teases from Natalie Dormer.
Greenjones,
God I’m looking forward to everything KL related next season.
It’s funny, when I first started reading Feast the first time around, my reaction to getting Cersei chapters was pretty much: “Ughh not again, can we please just skip to more Arya??” But looking back, all of the drama and tension that unfolds makes it one of the strongest (and one of my favorite) plot lines from that book.
Would bang.
more Myrcella with fans
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I am really sorry, but Toby Sebastian just manages to have one of those incredibly douchebaggy faces, like, oh my god i am not sure if i can even explain what I mean but its a pity because:
a) I am sure Toby is a great guy
b) book Trystane is a very sweet boy
And all the races of Middle Earth never shit.
Cheers Cumsprite!
Mine is the Furry,
I hear they all shit in Outer-Earth
It would be interesting to know how contracts on the show are structured, would seem about 97% of the cast , with proper scheduling can be accommodated.
Of course now, with the show being such a hit, actors seem willing to bend over backwards to come back! Seems I saw an article the other day that mentioned all the GOT cast was ‘in demand’ for other projects. Now that’s a real incentive!
Even Miltos Yeromelou who has been gone since season 1 , and wanted to come back,
(and as far as we know might even still come back!) got hired by the Star Wars project.
Conan Stevens (who still is the only Mountain) wanted back, went to talks about coming back (even after he had gotten caught in the Hobbit production). I would still like to hear Stevens story someday.
Clive Mantle missing from season 2 because of another series, could have come back , but that’s even a bigger mystery than Stevens!
The Ed Skrein deal has the best explanation , due to being in Transporter , what ever happened to that?, they did need a replacement, which worked out well with Michiel Huisman. Skrein might have benefited from scheduling around that film project.
One child recast I understood, one , it’s hard to tell, I guess they needed a better actress? Or something.
Boojam,
Not really any mysteries. Mantle, Stevens and Skrein all left (or got booted/not asked back) because they took on other projects that got in the way of GoT filming.
1. Conan was booted for taking the Hobbit over S2 (and probably also for being a douche – that’s what “no comment” from producers usually means).
2. Once Clive Mantle had ditched S2 for other work, there was no chance he’d come back. No mystery there. Miscalculation on his part (or his managers’ part).
3. Skrein’s instalment of Transporter comes out next year. He probably chose to ditch GoT rather than the other way around.
4. The kids were both recast due to needing a stronger actor. Original Tommen and Myrcella were essentially featured extras. Same as Beric.
A quick note that the announcement of Skrein’s casting in The Transporter occurred months after his dismissal from GoT. That re-cast would appear to be specifically as a result of something that Skrein did or did not do with regards to conduct on or off set.
We’ll probably never know exactly what this was as producers don’t kiss and tell about this stuff but I’d wager it was relatively serious if they went to the trouble of having to recast a character who was going to be a fairly major player in Dany’s storyline after spending the amount of time establishing him in Season 3. You don’t go to that trouble unless the actor really, really needed to be removed from the production. “Scheduling issues” wouldn’t be the reason in cases like this.
The more I see Trystane the more I think
jentario,
Everyone thinks the Maggy the Frog prophecy will come true, but remember this is GRRM and therefore you need to throw everything out the window when it comes to standard literary formulas. I would be extremely disappointed if the story adhere’s to it, because the reader isn’t suppose to know what’s going to happen in the future, it would defeat GRRM’s method of madness when it comes to ASoIaF.
tyjon,
Not all of it will come true exactly as expected, though. But I think there’s no way around the children thing. The Valonqar part is where I hope GRRM surprises us. Cersei thinks it’s Tyrion, everyone thinks it’s Jaime… I can see something entirely different playing out.
If Dorne is done right, Season 5 will be the most enjoyable season for sure.
Each storylines will feel fresh this year unlike Season 3 and 4.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzrFubECYAAZqo1.jpg:large
Nikolaj in Sevilla.
Chickenduck,
Good Summary. I honestly believe that the producers only re-cast for very good reasons. In some cases it might not work exactly from our point of view, but from a production point of view I expect it is much better for tyhem.
Out of all of them, I think Tommen and Myrcella were the ones that needed recasting the most. As you say, the others were just featured extras. I know a lot of the fandom want to see Aimee Richardsonbecome a massive star, but it isn’t going to happen (not that I don’t want it to happen). I wish both Callum and Aimee the best, but neither of them are going to have a big role in a TV or film series.
At least we have some indication in Skrein’s case why he didn’t come back , but didn’t care for Skrein in that role anyway.
Mantle is only by very vague circumstantial evidence. He wasn’t absolutely needed in season 2.
For Stevens , it may have been a contract violation too.* However in his case apparently he, apparently, he had some kind of negotiation about coming back.
I think the single worst casting error of the whole series was Ian Whyte in Season 2. We did not even need to see the Mountain that season. He would have been available for season 3, tho not really needed, but for sure for season 4.
We seem to have only one actor who showed a mild dissonance for his time on the show , Robert Pugh (Craster) , tho he did say he enjoyed his time there, but didn’t understand the show’s popularity. Could be Mantle felt the same way, tho we don’t know.
* I doubt D&D booted Stevens , all I can guess is HBO is hard over about a contract no-show, it’s too bad Stevens was needed last season.
Don’t care about Skrein, but would like to hear Steven’s story in about two years and anything from Mantle.
Siddig in Sevilla.
Not in costume or anything but at least we get to see how Doran’s hair and beard will look in the show.
EDIT: this girl has photos with a bunch of other cast member in Sevilla, some of which have already been posted here.
Greenjones,
Ahh it’s the girl who looks like she’s making a move on Nell’s boob!
Greenjones,
Awesome. DeObia Oparei must be there too. I’m kinda disappointed that they aren’t giving Doran a clean-shaven look but the beard isn’t messy or anything so it’s still alright. I haven’t seen Siddig act, but if he’s half as good as people say he is he’ll do just fine.
Holy crap Jentario. You’ve never seen DS9? Wau.
Boojam,
Here is a link to the interview if anyone’s interested. Nothing much more than the description, but might be of interest.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/film-tv/white-queen-game-thorns-welsh-5388438
As you say he does say that the crew were good, so that is a positive for the show.
Sid,
Nope, younger than you think I guess
TheTouchOfFrost,
I knew there was something off about that picture, thanks
jentario,
Wouldn’t have noticed it myself if it wasn’t for the look on Miss Free’s face!
The rain in Spain flowed down the drain and was a pain for Myrcella and Trystane filming the Game of Thrones to make their name and increase their fame but I’ll now refrain to keep you sane as I feel shame as my rhyming is lame and barely sounds the same!
TheTouchOfFrost,
I will not complain or be profane but I will go insane if they do not soon explain the fate of a certain Clegane and the role of Ashara Dayne!
The only way her recasting makes sense is if she’s an insanely better actor than her predecessor. Otherwise, she looks younger and has a similar look to the previous actor.
Wow, I’m really surprised to find out why Conan Stevens wasn’t back for S2, I think he was the best Mountain and Ian was a waste. Current Mountain is …ok. New Myrcella , I’ll have to see I liked Aimee. Love this site very informative I enjoy seeing all the photos from the set by fans.
Show won’t be the same without the Hound, any news on that?
Another tidbit reinforcing the almost-confirmed presence of Eugene Simon/Lancel in s5. He saw some music in N.I. very recently. Since he doesn’t live there and GoT shoots there and probably-legit-leakers mentioned him being in s5 and his tweet before this one about something he’s been working on coming out in Spring 2015…Yeah. He’s back.
Now let’s hope for more Kevan-evidence.
The Berylfly
Speaking of Toby Sebatian, I must agree that he has “one of those faces”. I think it’s his nose that gets in the way of his appeal. Too bad. As you say, he’s likely a swell guy and his character is probably sterling.
And he appears to be the current arm candy of our gorgeous and extremely talented Sophie Turner, or so I see from Googling him. And the effort rewarded me with this At Home pic of Sophie and her wolf. They are both magnificent creatures.
http://i.imgur.com/3q0bSom.jpg
Hodor’s Bastard,
I think Clegane, his death did feign as he’s Gregor’s bane so will be seen again. Miss Dayne hurts my brain as her whereabouts I can’t explain. She could train with Ilyan Payne like he who left the king slain?
The director of episodes 5×05 and 5×06 is in Sevilla
http://instagram.com/p/uC77QWPdS2/?modal=true
🙂
H. Stark,
Ah! He has a bunch of other photos with castmates up too.
Podeswa’s presence makes me wonder when exactly Jaime and Bronn leave Dorne. They only get there in 504, so how long do they stay? As Olenna would say, “A question for the philosophers.”
What’s clear is that Jaime needs something to do after he’s finished with Dorne. Whether he makes a quick stop in KL or goes somewhere else, he needs an ultimate destination for the end of the season. The redditer states that Jaime heads out in search of Brienne after leaving Cersei which basically gets him back into book timelines. If this is true, it then begs what the climax of his story in E5 is and whether this is the point where you either get LS or something entirely new.
I don’t think the show explicitly had the Blackfish escape from the RW when he could have easily been killed there for no reason. I highly doubt Riverrun comes back into the story at this point since the show has established that Walder seems to hold it. So either there’s a re-emergence of the BwB (with perhaps the Blackfish involved) or Jaime and Brienne will skip ahead into whatever GRRM has planned for them in TWoW. It’s also possible that they just leave off with Jaime setting off to find Brienne and don’t come back to that until S6 either.
Greenjones,
Not really, it was obvious this was going to be a rather short side plot. Here (based on all the leaks):
E4: the ship captain drops them just off the Dornish shore and heads to Planky Town where he tips off Obara of their arrival, Obara tells Ellaria- who sends some Dornish assassins to intercept Jaime (because he can fuck up their plans to crown Myrcella). Jaime and Bronn fight off the Dornish horsemen.
E5: the Sand Snakes, Ellaria and Trystane plan to crown Myrcella quickly and get them married, but Jaime and Bronn arrive to screw it up. The Sand Snakes fight Jaime and Bronn, and Areo Hotah breaks them off by being a badass
E6: Bronn, Tyene and Nymeria share a scene together in a cell, where Tyene reveals her daggers were poisoned (and reveals her girls as well). Meanwhile, Jaime and Doran share a scene where they agree that Dorne and the Iron Throne must not war. Jaime and Bronn set off back to King’s Landing possibly with Myrcella (seems like the only way to settle the matter without open war).
E7: Trystane is released from his cell and has a talk with Doran, he says he was in love with Myrcella and that he is angry that he sent her back to King’s Landing. Doran reveals that he was never meant to marry her, and that he will marry Dany (Fire and Blood speech- if they won’t include this, I can’t imagine why they opted to keep Dorne in the show at all).
I don’t think Trystane will be getting fried like Quentyn, though he might still travel to Meereen to arrange an alliance with Dany. The Griffs are looking to be cut, so it makes sense Dorne will side with her in the show. Or they’ll just wait for her to come to them.
If Myrcella isn’t sent away, I can’t imagine that turning out well in the show. Why would Jaime just turn back? Will Doran release some Hounds on him? I hope he’ll at least wear a shirt as he does it. To be honest though, Jaime letting Myrcella stay because she’s in love would trump even Yara’s pointless attack on the Dreadfort in terms of stupidity.
jentario,
Either Myrcella dies or Jaime decides to leave her there. There’s no way Jaime brings her back to Cersei safe and sound. That doesn’t track.
King Tommen,
That said, Jaime and Cersei DO need to fall out. I’m thinking Lancel and Jaime have a talk (now that it’s all but confirmed he’s coming back). Jaime finds out about Cersei’s unfaithfulness and realizes she’s just manipulating him. The letter burning scene is something that’s perfect to end Jaime’s arc in season 5, but the question is- how does he get the letter, and where is he when it happens? He has to be in a castle or town and Cersei has to know where he is. I’m guessing that he either travels to Casterly Rock or to treat with the Freys or anything that places him on route towards his TWOW storyline.
jentario,
But you agree that Myrcella can’t be delivered back to Cersei safe and sound right?
King Tommen,
And Myrcella staying in Dorne essentially puts that whole storyline on halt. Trystane marries Myrcella? Or does she just stay there while Doran keeps holding off the wedding? Even in the books, Myrcella is setting off to King’s Landing (with a couple of Sand Snakes at her side)- will she just wait a couple of episodes instead of going with Jaime?
Dorne needs to support the Targaryens, otherwise there’s no reason to include them at all. D&D seem to love two things about Dorne- Doran and the Sand Snakes. The latter are getting some love, but the former would be reduced to patheticness if all he does this season is fail to control his family. And how can that ever happen if Myrcella stats in Dorne? It really can’t.
King Tommen,
I do think Myrcella can return safe and sound. Why not?
This would not be Jaime “failing”. It would be him coming to a realization that Myrcella is actually safer and happier where she is than by Cersei. He makes an active decision not to pursue the mission any further and stands up to Cersei when she gets the news.
I mean, maybe she dies somehow in a tragic accident or misunderstanding but she’s not coming back to the capital. Cersei’s story doesn’t work if she just gets all her kids back. She’s supposed to be abandoned by everyone around her which sets up her WoS. What a kick in the teeth it would be to hear from Jaime that her daughter didn’t want to come back to her, that she’s happier somewhere else?
Also, I’m fairly certain in the books that Myrcella isn’t making it back to King’s Landing.
King Tommen,
jentario,
Sorry to be a pessimist, but like “Yara’s” failed adhoc GoT venture of S4, I believe this new adhoc Jaime vector will have a similar outcome. Jaime will most likely come back north…alone.
But the difference is that Jaime will not “fail” (maybe in Cersei’s eyes), he will make an active decision and realization that leaving Myrcella in Dorne is the best thing to do. There’s a difference. And it also will allow Cersei and Jaime to have their huge falling out which is key for both of their arcs going forward.
Back in Dorne, I thin it would be quite tidy having Myrcella die but I can’t see why anyone would kill her? Only options really are one of the Sand Snakes but if they’re to be brought back into the fold by Doran then it would make no sense for them to burn their bridges killing her unless just one goes mental ( I suggest Obara as with no Balon Swann then she’s at a loose end). Get the feeling Hotah is going to chop someones head off and it will be either Obara or Bronn! Ellaria is another possible candidate with her and Obara acting independently. Not really sure to be honest but by the end they need to be able to manouvere two of the sand snakes into a position and have Trystane/Aegon in a position to either go and propose to Dany (unlikely seeing how pointless Quentyne was in the books and also the speed at which he’d have to travel to get there before she buggers off on Drogon) or continue to prepare to launch an attack on the rest of Westeros (final scene could be Doran revealing his plans to Trystane and perhaps to the audience who Trystane really is as he did Arianne in the books.)
King Tommen,
Now how do you think Myrcella would think of her mother if she was snatched away from the love of her life? Probably not great at all. I can’t see her doing anything to help Cersei or make her feel better, because at this point she will hate her mother.
And on why the Dornish will set her free… It’s actually fairly simple. If they tell Jaime to fuck off, they have a war on their hands. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t ask nicely. Knowing Doran from the books- the last thing he’d want is to set off a war in Dorne before he’s ready and before his plans are on their way (Targaryen plans). In fact, Myrcella is mostly just an annoyance to Doran at this point with Trystane having fallen in live with her- how can he marry Dany if he is deeply in love with his wife to be? So in-love that he’d be willing to betray his father. The best thing to do at this point is break off the marriage, keep the peace with the Lannisters and start paving the way towards an alliance with Dany.
And I don’t think Myrcella will ever be given a choice here. She’s just a kid, and a pawn in the game of thrones. Doran and Jaime and Cersei will all do with her as they like, and the worst she can do is cry about it. Myrcella knows this, and she’ll most likely think she has no way to affect it (because the people of power made a decision). So it’s likely that she won’t even try to convince Jaime to let her stay.
She doesn’t HAVE to stay at Dorne. If anything, she has to clear out (because it just won’t work when Doran reveals he supports Dany).
Yes, I can now see Myrcella having a heartfelt discussion with Jaime (perhaps revealing that she knows he’s her father and using that fact to her advantage). You warmed me a bit to the idea that Jaime himself decides his daughter will be better off in Dorne. With that said, it still makes his whole journey there rather pointless. It would be okay if the writing and the acting will be top notch.
King Tommen,
I find it hard to believe that Jaime would even give a damn. One slip about he being Myrcella’s actual father and the whole Lannister regime comes falling down. Is that really wise as Cersei get closer to the KL trial of the century? Yes, something about this trip is fishy and will cause a Jaime/Cersei blowup, but is it really about retrieving Myrcella or about desperately regaining ties to Dorne? Maybe it does all blow up and the trial is really about who is the rightful heir to the throne….
TheTouchOfFrost,
Why does everyone have to be a secret Targaryen in both book and show?? I personally think Trystane is just Trystane, and there’s no legit evidence to suggest otherwise
jentario,
Although I dislike the possible show-only Trystane theory, “secret Targs” do matter in the ASoI&F tale. History will repeat itself and there will be another dance.
One other note: The World of Ice & Fire history book is coming out soon…did anyone notice that the cover only contains a mish-mash of the Targ and Blackfyre sigils? Hmmmmmm…what is this tale really about? What is GRRM trying to convey about the future of this series with this cover?
King Tommen,
From the casting video, we know that the Queenmaker plot is DEFINITELY happening, so Myrcella is NOT safe in Dorne at all. so even if there’s no Darkstar, Myrcella has to get fucked up somehow…it would almost anticlimactic if she didn’t. The show even foreshadowed about her getting hurt in Dorne during the Purple Wedding and Cersei not believing Oberyn’s “we don’t hurt little girls in Dorne” line.
So if Jaime returns without Myrcella to King’s Landing thinking that she’s safer in Dorne it would definitely be a HUGE failure on his part. Especially since from the Obara casting audition video, Obara is talking about Jaime coming to Dorne and asking “will there be war” as well as them talking about how Cersei loves her children and how they have Myrcella …….so Queenmaker is definitely happening and Sand Snakes have made the plan before they even meet up with Jaime.
Hodor’s Bastard,
In the books. In the show? I’m not sure there will be.
aurane waters,
The thought of
does make me shudder. I wonder if Jaime will witness it?
aurane waters,
jentario,
You’d have to ask GRRM why there’s so many Targs. One reason is because they’re the main family in the universe and are also horny buggers! The amount of Targ Bastards has always been large even without the speculated ones!
TheTouchOfFrost,
I think it looks pretty obvious that the Griffs are cut, and the sooner you accept it the better. You might not realize it now (because you want Aegon to be in in any way possible), but by the time the season is over you’ll realize it’s just a wild theory. I think.
H. Stark,
http://instagram.com/p/uC9WecPdUd/
As well Michael Slovis, so, we will see Dorne before Jaime’s arrival… in episode 5×01 and/or 5×02.
StandOzone,
Gotta love our Hotah, he’s giving us a whole gallery to analyze. He seems really nice too.
Good to know that they’ll appear in the first two episodes, though Obara’s audition kind of hinted at this. Probably Ellaria arriving. Maybe we’ll get Oberyn’s funeral intercutting with Tywin’s.
I have to agree with this. Thus far, Sebastian is really the only actor cast that I find incredibly annoying. Remember that intro video of him at the Comic Con? Secured the “Douchebag of the Year Award” in less than 15 seconds. But perhaps his character is meant to be an insufferable brat that Myrcella falls stupidly in love with, ala Sansa and Joffrey in S1?
StandOzone,
That is certainly interesting. I sort of assumed we would get our first impressions of Dorne when Jaime and Bronn arrive there, but I don’t have a problem with introducing them early.
By the way, so many people seem to forget Tyene is the first in AFFC to suggest crowning Myrcella. Still, not the first in the series; that was Oberyn in ASOS. Also, Tyrion toyed with the idea early in ADWD. It’s not such an original idea, which is probably why, despite what many people seem to think, Arianne is indeed very cuttable, especially if Aegon is gone (considering her role early in TWOW, judging by the released chapters.) Don’t get me wrong, Arianne is an interesting character, but as a show-watcher I think I’d rather see how Oberyn’s closest loved ones react to her death —that would be Ellaria, Doran and his daughters. Arianne is kin too, but her reasons to act have less to do with Oberyn than with her internal struggle of identity as the heir of Dorne, born out of her past disagreements with his father. This is not necessarily difficult to adapt into the show, but its external storytelling perspective lends itself better to characters like the Sand Snakes, Ellaria or even Doran.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I DID! I did notice it. I wondered why would that supposedly history book only feature that on the cover. It might only tell the history from a Targ maester POV? Or he just loves the House seal so much. Or the marketing department thought it was the coolest thing ever. I mean: three headed dragon is pretty much as fantastical and cool as you can get.
jentario,
Not gonna give up hope because I want as much of the source material in as possible. Dany’s predictable march toward the throne needs some things to liven it up and Aegon did. I assume you weren’t a fan of the character but a lot of people enjoyed the unpredictablility his appearance brought. Not saying it’s going to happen merely entertaining the idea it could. Not sure why some folks don’t care about Griffs or Greyjoys but were over the moon Dorne was included when it was a whole lot easier to cut. Is the Queenmaker plot really crucial to anything else that’s going on? It’s pretty much all self-contained in Dorne. Obviously Dorne could become more relevant but so could the Griffs, Iron Islands or Meribald’s dog!
TheTouchOfFrost,
Off-topic: I would love to see Septon Meribald. Well, not really; I’d love to hear his speech. The elder brother can deliver it, if he’s in. Or anyone, really.
LukaNieto,
This. Well said.
Out of curiosity, what do you think Doran’s real game plan will be in show canon?
jentario,
Sorry but that is most anti-climatic version of possible Dorne plot i have ever seen. Jaime retrieving Myrcella might work if Jaime would stay in Dorne longer, prevent Qeenmaker as we initially thought and than calm situation with his diplomatic skills. But is that very different from what you suggested.
In your version Jaime will go on super secret mission to rescue Myrcella, fail instantly, than ask nicely, get what he want and depart. That is as bad as Yara mission. Viewers could than ask very logical questions, like: Why he went there secretly if it was so easy? Why Cersei simply did not send a raven? Book readers could additionally ask where is Qeensmaker plot and why was this easily adaptable plot replaced with something so boring.
Oh and writers would have to use some other reason for Jaime/Cersei break up. I am sure Jaime being emo about his sister being unfaithfull to him would work so much better then Cersei being mad at Jaime for his “failure” to bring Myrcella to safety of KL…..
GaiusB,
ArgonathofBraavos,
I think that spot is occupied by three extremely judgemental WOTW posters that are posting utter crap about what seems to be a fairly nice person
LukaNieto,
Strider,
It is cool, but ya gotta wonder….
TheTouchOfFrost,
The Greyjoys… I still have hopes that Euron can be in the show. Perhaps even in season 6, if not in season 5. I feel like D&D kept Yara on screen for a reason. Now Victarion is clearly cuttable and Aeron depends on TWOW.
On why D&D are focusing on Dorne rather than either of the other two new storylines… The answer is simple. People expect a follow up to Oberyn’s death. This is high time to introduce Dorne. The Greyjoys can be delayed somewhat, we aren’t in sure need of some follow up yet. And the Griffs… Are cut I think, so that’s that. And if we don’t see a Euron in the show at all, I’d imagine that D&D choosing Dorne is merely because that’s the storyline that they prefer, and the characters that they prefer (though for some reason Dorne’s central character is getting the ax).
How is Dorne important? Well, I’d say that what we saw so far was merely an introduction. Set up. First GRRM paints a picture of Doran, and then he reveals that there is much more cunning behind him. He introduces Arianne, which I’m sure will be extremely important in the coming books given that her fate is tied to the Griffs. All it was was an undone plot- but tensions are rising, Myrcella was harmed (which I doubt Cersei will forget) and early in TWOW it looks like Dorne will be backing another horse (thanks to Quentyn’s failure). And what important things have the Greyjoys done so far? A horn and a fleet, and Victarion with a super hero hand. The odds that he survives the first 100 pages of TWOW are pitiful at best, so his role essentially amounts to being a ship delivery man. The show wisely scrapped that, as they scrapped Quentyn. There are many more important characters to cast.
What will they do with Trystane? Well I can only guess, but I think Doran doesn’t mean for him to marry Myrcella, he wants him to marry Dany. When Dany lands, Dorne will support her under an engagement with him. Kind of like how Arianne approaches Aegon, Trystane approaches Dany.
Rant over
News Flash! The Denver Dothraki beat up GRRM’s NY Jokes at NY’s home, 31-17. With NE also beating Buffalo, Myrcella doesn’t have a chance to survive. 🙂
GaiusB,
Use spoiler tags.
Cersei didn’t send a raven because she assumed Oberyn’s death endangers Myrcella in Dorne. If some dangerous man was holding your daughter hostage, and you were a crazy and paranoid woman, would you simply ask them nicely or would you do something? Cersei’s ruling skills weren’t very good in AFFC, and I doubt they’ll be too good in the show. She doesn’t know Doran, she expects another Oberyn- and that would be very scary to her.
And as I said, Jaime has to see the real Cersei and understand he doesn’t love that woman if he’s going to be like book Jaime. In the books Jaime learns that she’s just manipulating him when Tyrion tells him she screwed around with others while he was gone. Lancel can inform Jaime of this instead, and then Jaime won’t take any of her crap anymore. I don’t think this will just be Cersei breaking up with Jaime, it has to be the opposite. If it’s just Cersei being mad at him for not returning Myrcella, then it will be “poor Jaime, the love of his life broke up with him!” That’s not where Jaime is at the end of AFFC- Cersei asks for help, says lives are at stake and he doesn’t give a shit. He burns the letter. Will he get there in the show just because she broke up with him?
I concede that I am most certainly being judgmental, and that it’s not a particularly fair judgment to make (as it is based primarily on one short video clip).
But I submit his introduction video (at 00:19) as the only evidence I have for making flimsy assertions about his character, and will let others decide on his douchebag score:
Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2ri8RhSnw
I mean, come on…one could cut that bratty arrogance with a knife! 🙂
That said, it is perfectly possible that his persona in front of a camera is very different than his persona in private. Young people can get very odd when the spotlight’s on them.
I’m not sure I understand all the bashing of Toby Sebastian. Has anyone seen even a single second of his work as Trystane? Is this based upon a few second introduction on the casting announcement? From my perspective, of the unknowns on that announcement (in other words, not Pryce, Siddig, or Castle-Hughes), only one or two of them, again, based solely upon those blurbs, made me think…wow, I really like him/her. Is it because Sebastian is a good looking young man? Is he too “pretty -boy/model-type” looking?
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
What people here said is that he has a douchey face. So basically, they’re judging him over something he can’t control.
And I liked them all, they all seem very nice even if they don’t fit my mental image of their characters (I’d say Keisha is the closest, but that depends on how they do her hair).
jentario,
Qeenmaker still can be on the show. Doran just can not arrest Sand Snakes too soon. Though he would have to arrest them twice since we know Tyene and Bronn will spend some time imprisoned together after the first attack (which is strange btw. for them to be imprisoned together). Still Doran could just free them after Jaime is out of Dorne, than they could execute their plot and after it fail, Doran might tell them his plan directly without further imprisonment. Or Trystane could do Qeenmaker, there is no reason why he should be arrested for SS attack on Jaime. And he probably should be arrested for something or his role will be purely love interest for Myrcella.
jentario,
That sounds like a pretty superficial opinion if not downright rude. He looks normal to me.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I agree about the cold open! I’d love that one.
GaiusB,
He realizes their love was very one-sided and that whatever feelings she had for him were gone the second he lost his hand since he ceased to be useful to her.
And I hope you’re right that the Queenmaker plot will be included (I want to see some Dornish deserts and I would like to see Hotah being a badass), but I kind of doubt it. The information we have now seems to imply that the plan is almost ready to go when Jaime arrives, so unless they pick up where they left off after he leaves I don’t think it will happen.
Strider,
He looks like a young Mark Ruffalo. Which is a compliment!
jentario,
By “bashing” I meant the comments regarding his face and winning dboy in 15 seconds, based upon that brief clip of him in the new cast intro.
I didn’t mean to imply I didn’t like any of the “unknowns” from the new cast, based upon the introduction video, just that really only the guy playing Aero, and to some extant the guy playing Yezzan, leaped out at me for their personalities, which of course has little to do with whether they do a good job in their roles.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I wasn’t getting on your ass there, just stating my opinion 🙂
But I did get on those other people’s ass because they seemed to have made their opinion on the actor and character simply because of how he looks (and I seriously don’t see anything douchey there).
jentario,
And I wasn’t trying to sound defensive…just trying to clarify. 🙂
I did just burn the hell out of my arm on an oven door, though (oven was at 425 degrees), so my tone may be a bit off. If so, sorry.
ArgonathofBraavos,
Let’s wait till we see him in an actual interview, shall we?
jentario,
Not I. As I said, I made my admittedly flimsy judgment about Sebastian’s douchebaggery based on his introductory video, not on how he looks. His looks he can’t control. His attitude, he can (I imagine). I think it’s a feat to comes across as so full of oneself in such a short period of time, so perhaps it’s a compliment! 🙂
This has nothing to do, however, with how well he portrays Trystane. He might be perfect for the part, for all I know.
And in Nina Gold I generally trust!
if jaime/cersei do break up because of the cheating, i hope they don’t whitewash jaime’s feelings about wanting to hurt her. in the book jaime wants to break cersei’s teeth and rip her tongue out and he also calls her “whore” several times. that being said the whole thing about cersei manipulating jaime his entire life and him being corrupted by her vagina is such sexist bullshit i can’t even.cersei feelings towards jaime and lancel are poles apart. sure, cersei may have used beauty/sexuality sometimes to get what she wanted from jaime but that doesn’t mean she didn’t love him and have feelings for him. in AFFC he’s basically punishing her for cheating on him and is being pretty damn gross about it too considering that he talks about wanting to hurt her physically many times.also its pretty damn hard to get someone to do something from purely seduction if they didn’t want to do that thing for you at all just saying.
ugh i always cringe so hard when i see this fandom talking about sexuality.
jentario,
Fair enough. This is really a rather silly discussion, to be honest, and I am afraid I’m at fault!
ArgonathofBraavos,
I think the actors approached their videos in two different ways. Some of them didn’t plan anything, and just said what they thought. Others were probably overthinking it. Toby Sebastian included.
If he’s a douchebag, we’ll know soon enough- when he does an interview. Let’s hold off on the insults until then.
aurane waters,
I’m not being sexist. Cersei is hardly the model woman, and this is my interpretation of her.
LukaNieto,
Think he’s gone with
LukaNieto,
jentario,
With regards to the Greyjoys, I can see the argument Victarion can be cut but the tag of him just being a boat delivery man is far too simplistic. Let’s not forget that at the second siege of Mereen the Ironborn seem to be providing a significant moment of when the battle turns not to mention Vic is a POV character so GRRM must have some plans for him. Whether this is merged into Euron or lost completely we will see. We talking about the Greyjoys in general or Euron and Vic? In both sense they appear to be a loose cannon faction that adds some unpredictability to the storyline. Personally, I’m much more interested in seeing where they peg up and what Euron has planned than continue to read about Dany’s borefest in Mereen.
Ultimately, it’s personal opinion but for me Dorne just isn’t interesting. But I guess that for whatever reason D&D seem to prefer them over other storylines. The effort they’re putting into making Dorne more interesting/relevant could have easily been done with other areas…possibly with less effort.
jentario,
Cersei is a POS human being, but you implying that Jaime just loses his mind and brain cells when Cersei offers him sex and making Jaime out to be some saintly victim in the relationship is just bullshit.
Men are very much capable of making their own decisions . Women don’t just enchant men with their vaginas. Jaime is angry at Cersei because he believes that all the fucked up shit he did before for her isn’t justified anymore because she cheated on him. It’s not as simple as poor innocent Jaime corrupted and fooled by his evil bitch temptress sister’s vagina. They’re both fucked up. Jaime was totally fine with doing things for Cersei before because he was the only man that she was sleeping with (besides Robert) obviously, now its not fine anymore because she’s slept with other people.
the thing with Jaime is that he believes for redemption, he needs as much truthfulness as possible, but complete honesty just isn’t compatible with reality all the time. and thats where jaime’s redemption arc becomes complex instead of the usual trite redemption arcs that are presented in fiction.
And ultimately even if a woman uses her beauty/sexuality to persuade men, they can never actually win because society is still patriarchal and sexist. and that’s demonstrated perfectly with the walk of shame.
jentario,
Apparently sex in the storylines is not allowed to be talked about lately unless there is an accompanying lecture on female sexuality, misogyny and most men being border-line rapists!
Before people get their knickers in a twist, I’m exagerrating to make a point.
Being that I have prematurely expressed unfair judgment and unkindness towards Toby Sebastian, it’s hard for me to argue with fair restraint and kindness.
Jentario, you are a gentleman, and I concede defeat!
Jeb,
What is Span?
Greg,
Spain.
News Flash #2: GRRM’s Giants got crushed and Cruz is lost for the season. It looks like Wun-Wun will die and Darkstar will kill Hotah. Not a good outlook.
TheTouchOfFrost,
Not much of an exaggeration actually.
aurane waters,
I never said that all Jaime’s sins are redeemed because Cersei made him do it, they aren’t. What I AM saying is that their relationship was always assymetrical. Cersei never loved Jaime as much as he loved her, and when she did it was usually because she needed him to do something for her.
It’s no secret that Cersei uses sex to manipulate men. She did it with Lancel, to make him her right hand man. She did it with Osmund Kettleblack in the books to get him to do a bunch of things for her. In my opinion, she also did it with Jaime for the most part of his life- because if she would have truly loved him, she wouldn’t have cheated on him twice without an ounce of regret nor would she have suddenly stopped loving him when she realized he lost a hand and is therefore not as useful to her as he used to be (he used to be the best warrior in Westeros, pretty much).
The fact that Cersei enchanted men with her vagina only proves that those men were stupid, and thinking with their cocks (though Jaime was actually in love with her, so it’s not as bad) and are willing to do bad things just to get some. They share the blame with Cersei, obviously, and I never implied otherwise. But the fact is that Cersei was still manipulating them. The fact is that she never really loved Jaime (definitely not as much as she said she did)- and when Jaime realizes that, he’ll understand that she’s been manipulating him all his life (which she HAS been doing!). Then he’d want to remove her influence (and he’d probably start hating her as well, can’t blame him much).
And this has nothing to do with women “actually winning”, a patriarchal society or the Walk of Shame.