Holy Mother of Dragons, it’s here. After weeks of looking at the lifeless faces of beloved (and not-so-beloved) characters, we finally have a full-length trailer. And it does not disappoint!
Below is a screen cap breakdown of the trailer along with our speculation, so beware of potential spoilers.
As “Wicked Game” performed by James Vincent McMorrow plays, the trailer opens at the Wall, where we see Jon exactly where we left him: bleeding in the snow. Davos assures us on voiceover, “He’s gone.” (Still trying to convince us, HBO? Alright.)
We then get a shot of a Martell ship sailing towards King’s Landing, most likely the one bearing Myrcella’s body and Jaime home.
Jaime comforts Cersei by telling her, “We’re the only ones who matter and everything they’ve taken from us we’re going to take back and more” (I’m assuming he’s not referring to Myrcella, here.)
Cersei scrutinizes whatever’s before her (based on a later clip, it’s probably Lancel) and closes her eyes.
Davos stands alone by a pile of wood and ash- perhaps the site of Shireen’s burning?
Ramsay and Roose share a father-son moment as the naturalized Bolton boy turns towards his father. To be fair, he’s lost his two human playthings – his bride and his Reek – as well as his girlfriend. He’s probably not feeling too hot.
We see a burning, flayed corpse strapped into the position of the Bolton sigil burning. Though there are no identifiable physical features to draw upon, the body might be Stannis’ as that does seem like a Boltonesque thing to do to one’s conquered enemy. Also, Melisandre’s following line begins as a voiceover on this image.
All of these Northern battle images look to be from the same huge battle, which was filmed in Saintfield, Northern Ireland. For more extensive spoilers, check out this previous post.
An emotional Melisandre tells Davos, “The great victory I saw in the flames … all of it was a lie.” Aw, Mel.
Jorah and Daario arrive on horseback to the site of Dany’s abduction and of course Jorah finds the ring that she dropped at the end of season 5.
Daenerys is walking (not riding – a good indication of how her Dothraki captors are treating her) to Vaes Dothrak.
“Every one of us is poor and powerless, yet we can overthrow an empire,” the High Sparrow says, as we already heard (albeit with a different delivery) in the House Lannister promo. It’s a good line, though. I understand why they’re capitalizing on it.
Book-readers will know what this gathering of Ironborn men is, on the coast in the Iron Islands. We received spoilers about the filming of this big scene back in September.
Sansa appears to have acquired shelter and a fur coat since her jump, though the tear rolling down her cheek indicates that she’s still less than cheerful. Perhaps she’s at the Wall learning of Jon Snow’s demise?
“You’re in the great game, now. And the great game is terrifying,” Tyrion says. I’m guessing he says this to Missandei and/or Grey Worm (though, for the record, the editing makes it look like he’s speaking to Sansa, which is sort of cool).
Here we have Drogon (unless Viserion or Rhaegal managed to escape) apparently not rescuing his mother…
Lancel tells Cersei, “Order your man to step aside or there will be violence.”
… to which Cersei answers, “I choose violence.” This leads us to a quick-cut montage of ass-kicking, slicing and battling.
Also, this is not going to work out well for Lancel and his creepy boyband.
Six men unsheathe their swords. Given how Eddard-like the man in the front looks, plus the setting that matches the terrain outside Castillo de Zafra, Spain, there’s no doubt this is a Tower of Joy flashback.
Alliser Thorne and Bowen Marsh break through a tunnel.
Based on the editing (which might be misleading) Tommen and Cersei approach one another (with her pet Kingsguard trailing Cersei).
Horses in a battle …
Ships in a stormy sea. We can’t see the sigil on the sails. They may an Ironborn fleet or perhaps the ship that Gilly and Sam are on. Or perhaps something else altogether.
The Waif slaps Arya across the face. So we’re playing this game again? Also , can we get a light in the House of Black and White?
Petyr Baelish. Just … standing there. Unfazed. As he does.
Margaery huddles in her dungeon, more or less as we saw her last in season 5.
A rider runs down someone on foot. (Hmm probably not a free-moving ball of fire as I’d first thought.) It looks like a ball of fire attached to a chain. An unusual choice of weapon for attacking.
Archers (wearing Bolton-styled helmets, though the sigil on their flag isn’t clear) release their arrows.
There appears to be an explosion. Given the doors we can see and the color scheme, this looks like the room atop the pyramid Daenerys prefers to use in Meereen. With her away, Tyrion, Missandei and the others are likely using it now to rule the city.
We get a brief shot of Theon looking distressed as usual, as men with dogs (presumably sent by Ramsay) appear to have caught up with him.
We get our first look at a notably eyepatchless Euron Greyjoy (played by Pilou Asbæk) being baptized in the way of the Iron Islanders, which involves drowning. Behind him stands a white-haired Drowned priest that is most likely Aeron Greyjoy, his brother.
Apparently whatever Jaime said to Cersei has rekindled their passion.
Brienne kills a soldier (unambiguously and onscreen, I might add). Given the snowy forest backdrop and similar lighting to the shot of Theon, it’s reasonable to suspect that she’s taking out one of the Bolton men in pursuit of Sansa and Theon.
A hand (possibly Melisandre’s) before a fire.
A shot of the Hall of Faces. In case we had forgotten what it looked like.
Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.
Jon Snow, still dead. Definitely not coming back. *Ahem*
Arya leaps from a building in Braavos. Several spoilers out of Girona, Spain provided more details as to this scene. Head on over to an earlier post for spoilers!
Bolton soldiers prepare for battle. With so many shots of this battle, it’s looking to be a massive one for season six.
Yara Greyjoy kisses a woman.
Oh, boy. Euron Greyjoy de-hoods atop a rope bridge. On a stormy night! *claps hands with jubilation*
A Targaryen-armored knight fights two men whose faces we don’t see. The one on the left wears Northern Stark leathers. Given the terrain and situation, this looks to be part of the Tower of Joy scene as well. There’s still a question as to why we’d see a knight in Targaryen armor and not white Kingsguard armor, as we expected.
Tormund Giantsbane turns around dramatically in the midst of battle, with the limb of the Bolton’s flayed-man sigil behind him. Most likely from the same big fight scene we’re looking forward to for episode nine in season six.
In the heat of battle, we see a black-haired man fighting who looks awfully familiar … hmm …
Could it be?
Margaery kneels before the High Sparrow, much the way Cersei did for her confession last season.
Filthy women stand in what looks vaguely like a crypt
Blind Arya provides more nightmare fuel.
Tyrell soldiers and Jaime Lannister on a white horse confront the Faith Militant on the steps of the Great Sept of Baelor. For more details and spoilers on this scene, visit this post.
Sansa runs through what is probably the same forest that Theon and Brienne were in. It’s reasonable to guess that she’s running from the same men who have Theon cornered and whom Brienne is slicing up.
Dothraki warriors charge (though the editing makes it look like they’re chasing Sansa…)
Wildling men, likewise, charge into battle
It all builds up to a shot of Bran (who’s standing so this is a vision), turning around to see …
Is the Night’s King seeing Bran, or is he seeing though him (more likely) to the other people in the vision, victims of the White Walkers as they move further south? We can see a White Walker standing just behind the Night’s King’s arm.
Finally, by the still-lifeless body of Jon Snow, Davos grabs Longclaw and says, “I’ve never been much of a fighter. Apologies for what you’re about to see.” He unsheathes it as two brothers of the Night’s Watch advance towards him. It certainly looks like he plans to steal Jon Snow’s body.
So, what do you think of the new trailer? Which characters were you most excited to see and which ones were you disappointed not to see? Tell us below.
HODOR!
It’s a stretch but what if the dark hooded figure in the horse with the ball of fire is Coldhands aka Benjen Stark?
The hooded person on the horse running down someone with a fireball is too big to be a Child of the forest. And i think thats a wight hes hitting and thats Meera on the right. Like in the Inside GoT season 6 video.
Benjen Stark or Coldhands, maybe???
I commented on the last post so I’ll do the same here …
SANSA !!!
Nope: it was ironic! 😀
Perfect timing! Showed up just as the hockey game I’m watching went to intermission!
Hodor
Um, Hodor has an H. And and O. Then a D, another O and and R. Congratulations: you failed to get a single letter correct!
(With apologies to Black Adder….. 😀 )
About the last shot, those Night’s Watch brothers are the ones loyal to Jon Snow, and as Davos unsheathes Longclaw they do as well, readying their swords to fight Thorne and his mutineers after they breakdown the door. I have a feeling Edd is in the same room as them.
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Thats not Mel’s hand before the fire though, it’s Dany’s. You can even see the dothraki in the background. She has the same ring from the S5 finally (the one she didn’t drop).
I think the one with Cersei crying is not her looking at Lancel but looking or waiting for Jaime to return at the dock, maybe she’s even looking at him rowing in with Myrcella’s body.
Azor Ahai shall rise again!! Great breakdown, thanks WotW 🙂
You could be wrong about the “Filthy women stand in what looks vaguely like a crypt” scene.
Kargaryen,
This. The hand is definitely Dany’s. You can even see some out of focus bearded Dothraki in the background.
Robles,
Coldhands is not Benjen Stark, that’s been confirmed by GRRM.
The picture of Cersei crying is most likely her awaiting Jamie and Myrcella’s arrival and seeing her corpse covered with a golden shroud, just like in one of the pictures they released.
Oh and that is Ghost guarding Jon’s body in the last pic btw
Two things,
1. The flags in the shot of men drawing arrows with helmets “that resemble those of the Boltons” is a red backdrop with a chain in and X patter, representative of house Umbrr which we’ve seen a few times in season 1.
2. Allistor Thorne and the Night’s Watch are bot walking into a tunnel. Infact, you can tell that they are on an elevated platform with the courtyard of castle black right behind them. It seems as if they are breaking into one of the rooms, interestingly enough, the door that they break down is strikeingly similar to the one we see behing Davos in the last shot.
Tori Targaryen,
Yeah it is definitely not Mel’s as we can clearly see she has no rings on in one of the frames soon after that of the hand (likely Dany’s)
That hand. That ring.
Doesn’t that look like the ring Dany in the meadow at the end of season 5? Someone grabbing a metal brazier full of fire better not be too sensitive to heat. I think Dany lights someone or something up on her own, trying to escape with help from Jorah + Daario.
Kargaryen,
I was just about to post this. Definitely Dany’s hand.
Great job focusing down on the dark haired rider in the battle with some serious flow going on…
but it can’t be… he’s DEAD… right HBO?
would be really funny if they unintentionally spoiled themselves by adding a shot of Tormund which accidentally has Jon Snow/Stark/Targ/AA/PTWP in the background
SerbMaster,
I think you’re right, the Umbers are supposed to be fighting alongside the Boltons, and we do see the Bolton banner flying just behind that one.
Excellent breakdown. It us a great trailer. It starts slowly and subdued, but crescendos around halfway through to a thrilling second half.
I was very disappointed with the teaser we got last month, but this just about makes up for it. In a way it was nice for it to come out of the blue and was a lovely surprise.
will they show Rickon Stark this season?
I think they decided to put the Targaryen symbol on the armor to emphasize just who this knight is fighting for. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they never did establish that the Kingsguard is supposed to wear wear white armor, they just wore white cloaks. Then again, if a king or queen wanted them to wear something different then they would have to abide by their wishes to the best of their ability.
I said it awhile ago but I’m sure that knight is Arthur Dayne. He doesn’t have any special sword here so maybe I’m wrong or maybe they just didn’t give him one. (Considering how much information from the books they can’t relate to the audience because of time, it is certainly possible).
The shot of the horses riding into battle. The white horse that is the focus looks like the same horse that possibly Jon(?) is riding in the later shot.
The screen shot of a Bolton shield wall: looks like the Wildlings are about to be on the receiving end of those spears; they’re on foot, some of their coats are in the patched-style the Wildlings wear, and one of them is wielding an ax. I get the feeling the Wildlings are going to be severely overmatched in that battle. 🙁
Damn, I’ve never seen Melisandre look so devastated and defeated.
That burning man on the Bolton cross is the stuff of nightmares. The Boltons are some seriously sick bastards.
Can’t. freaking. Wait.
I will link my gifs here again simce this post fits them perfectly. 🙂
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These kids in the sept right here, they have daggers and they are murdering someone. There’s a shot in the trailer with another angle where you can see the daggers.
That Bran+NK still… maybe it’s Bran seeing what’s going on (or was going on) at Hardhome? Maybe not, but worth a shot. Also, interesting that the Three-Eyed Raven isn’t with him.
About Brienne, Sansa and Theon: any chance Brienne returns to the Riverlands to tell Jaime that she found Sansa and has sent her somewhere safe, like he required? And, doesn’t blind Arya look just like a wight? *shivers*
Oppp….smore spoilers below, the official list….
Episode 1, TBA for obvious reasons
2 White Harbor
3 The Mummers Dragon
4 My Lord
5 The Last Heir
6 Winds of Winter
7 Crows Eye
8 Warriors of Light
9The Long Night
10 Valonqar
Admin Edit: This list is fake. It’s a fake that has been going around for months. Stop spreading it. -Sue the Fury
For the last picture where Davos draws his sword, it seems like ghost is next to Jon… Have the mutineers killed him also, or is he just sleeping/guarding him.
Also let’s bring back Nymeria into the story. \o/
I don’t think that’s someone throwing fireballs. It looks more like someone swinging a torch in big circles, or a container with something burning in it at the end of a rope, like a priest swinging a censer.
I really think (or at least really want to believe) that the Arya picture with the white eyes is her warging… exploring/growing that ability would add a lot of range to her character arc
Wait, Melissandre confess to Davos that she didn’t tell the whole truth or that she had been lied to by the flames/religion?
What??? Where did you get these??
Proof that they’re official?
Robles,
George already said that Benjen was not Cold Hands. In the books, Cold Hands kills the mutineers at Caster’s Keep and leads Bran and company to the 3 Eyed Raven.
While that may be Dany’s hand, that is not the same ring.
Really wish they added him to the show. Any reason why they didn’t?
A thought occurs: Yara is prone to messing with people, this is a woman who let her long-lost brother feel her up purely so she could mock him for unknowing incestuous action later.
So if the shot is of her kissing another woman, maybe she’s just messing with a crowd of ironborn warriors – you know, kissing the prostitute they’re passing around to get them excited and stuff. Scene might be taken out of context.
These have been out there since last summer. Fake.
Tyrion is in the dungeons looking for his Dragon
It’s seems to me the question, it Davos is in a room full of enemies who could he be talking to when saying “I am not a very good fighter I apologize for what your about to see” maybe Ghost??
Connor,
I think that is Meera also.
Joao Gerardo,
The leak from angry GOT fans has some inconsistency but mostly on point
As much as the fantastic shot of Bran and the Night’s King was chilling when I first watched it, I can only giggle at Bran’s expression now. Hee hee!
Joao Gerardo,
This has been proved as fake. In reality, Pod is alive and well in ep. 8 in Riverrun, for instance.
We book people often forget how important costume is to film for conveying instant visual cues to the audience. In a fight there are distinct uniforms so you instantly know who is fighting for whom.
From that point of view I’m saying there is know way the Targaryen Kingsguard in the ToJ flashback wear the same outfits the Baratheon/Lannister KG wear in the show. Yes careful viewers would know that the same organization that Jamie and Sir Grandfather served in under the Mad King is the one serving Tommen today and even 20 years ago they could have the same style armor. Doesn’t matter, the logic of costuming dictates that if you are showing a different faction in a different time period you don’t use the same look.
Heck, even stormtroopers serving the Old Republic, the Empire, and the First Order don’t have identical armor. Same reason, you have to show the time shift visually.
That leak is fake as hell and so are those episode titles. Stop reposting them.
Lol, “The Mummer’s Dragon” should tell you right away that this is a fake.
robohodor,
Old and fake list.
Joao Gerardo,
Old leak proven to be false.
Will they bring back Myrcella, Robert-Strong style?
The way his cloak blows from the bottom, I got the impression he could be at the top of the wall.
The CotF used magic balls of fire they threw, not fireballs that swing around on a chain. And, as others have said, the rider seems large.
Given her lack of rings, I lean toward Dany – a cleaned-up version, as others have said.
That snapshot with Sansa looking sad, along with Tyrion’s voice in the background strongly reminded me of this quote from Storm:
“Her hair was a rich autumn auburn, her eyes a deep Tully blue. Grief had given her a haunted, vulnerable look; if anything, it had only made her more beautiful.”
I GUARANTEE the Littlefinger & Sansa running scenes are together.
I GUARANTEE the Davos with Longclaw & the breaking down of the door scenes are together.
Aren’t those ships IB? The weather and lighting match up with Euron taking his hood off.
The hand is Daenerys’s – it’s her mother’s ring.
I explain this in the Costumes article on Daenerys: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Costumes%3A_Major_Characters#Daenerys_Targaryen
This isn’t in the novels, and never explained on-screen, but once Emilia Clarke explained in an interview is that an idea they came up with is that despite ALL of the costume changes Daenerys goes through, the one constant is that she always wears this one ring – because it belonged to her mother, Queen Rhaella. Even if they had to sell her mother’s crown, they hung onto one of her ring. And indeed, she has been wearing this ring since the series premiere at her wedding to Drogo.
Melisandre doesn’t even wear rings.
I’ve never had a very clear closeup of the ring before, but she wears it on her index finger, not her ring finger. It isn’t the one she drops in the hope her followers will find it — in the next shot you can see she still has another ring on her index finger.
the fan breakdown in the comment section of the trailer post is actually more accurate, you just need to have enough patience to filter through the misunderstandings
Davos always is precise on his words. What could possibly be THAT weird to make him say ‘apologies for what you are about to see’? What if instead of preparing to fight against Alliser Thorne and co, Davos is doing something with that sword, and with Jon’s corpse, and maybe with Ghost, resulting in something completely out of this world? hurting Jon’s body to show a certain reaction, or a connection between him and Ghost, or with the sword?
Mi,
Yes, that looks like the scene and the outfit she was wearing when Jaime and Myrcella return. We saw some pics of the filming with the Mountain in the background. She has tears in her eyes. I imagine she is looking at the boat with Myrcella’s covered body coming towards the shore.
I think that is Jaime on the ship’s deck…looking towards King’s Landing. We have also gotten a still of him looking handsome on deck.
It also looks like Roose just told Ramsey something he didn’t like to hear. The look on his face when he turns back towards his father… Yeah…something is up.
I hope that isn’t Davos next to Shireen’s funeral pyre. If he reaches down and picks up a burnt, wooden stag, I will lose it! Will he be traveling back that direction or will he stay at the wall? Hmmm.
They spoiled the Jon twist by showing Tormund and other wildlings fighting the Bolton army. No way would they be doing that for anyone but Jon or Tormund who’s following Jon’s lead.
Love the sexytime going on in it, but I have to wonder… where exactly is Yara in that shot? That clearly isn’t the Iron Islands. I’ll assume she leaves Pyke per the books, but she’s obviously not gonna be Stannis’s prisoner. Could she take Vic’s role from the books and head to Meereen, and could that other girl be the Dusky Woman or some equivalent character?
Edit: It looks like I missed Sue’s post, so I deleted mine.
Connor,
Agreed. It’s not magical fire. It’s like a flaming ball and chain. It would be nice to start learning where some of the MIA are, especially since Benjen was invoked last season.
Amir,
Pretty sure he is apologizing to the people in the room as they come under attack from Thorne and co.
In the screengrab of the man on the horse plus fireball, are there figures on the ground to the right? I can’t tell if its a pile of rocks or someone slumped in the snow …. if it’s the latter it could be Meera or Hodor or Bran? They’re on their last legs when someone comes in and saves them…
This could be Coldhands (or a version of Coldhands), belatedly introduced. Now whether that’s Benjen or not, who knows. GRMM’s draft note (“no”) seemed to nix that theory. It’s possible, however, that the show is combining Coldhands and Benjen into one anyway, since we know they like to condense characters. I can’t think who else it would be so far north since the figure is too large to be a child of the forest.
edit: Just saw people don’t think this is a fireball … just a fight then?
The Umbers are
. The mummer’s farce is over.
The rider with the fire on chain/rope is dressed in black. If that is meera on the right, then I really can’t think of anyone else that would fit the bill other than Benjen.
Also, if Davos steals Jon’s body to be resurected or whatever they are going to do with it…where would he take it? Nightfort?
Ginevra,
Davos can’t be atop the Wall because plants don’t grow from the ice on 700 ft high up in the air. See the plant stalks on the left side of the picture? That is likely the pyre site where Shireen was burned.
Who is the person to the right of Davos? The hand is all I can make out and it looks feminine.
The Dragon Demands,
No. She is not having sex with a woman because of men.
Seinfeld joke:
“Will you tell the jury how you would describe Euron Greyjoy’s reaction when he was informed of his brother’s death?”
“I would best describe it as ‘restrained jubiliation’…”
…I didn’t say she was having sex, just kissing. Wait, do you have more set reports about this scene which you can’t discuss publicly?
Am I the only one who doesn’t see a tear rolling down Sansa’s cheek?
Abyss,
And I will thank you for them, again (although I won’t repost the “Thank You” video I posted for you on the other thread). 🙂
Please correct the singer’s name,it’s James Vincent McMorrow
The Ghost and Jon picture is similar to a cross with jon perpendicular to ghost. The visual symbolism seems sacrificial from a ‘christian’ context. Ghost I think is being sacrificed.
Abyss,
OMG I almost pissed myself at Shit is On and Shit is On Even More titles. Loved also the I Fucked Up and Bros on a Search too. Extremely accurate.
Thanks!
msd,
That is Meera because we see her in that Behind the Scenes video that was recently released in that exact position, by a tree, except it was filmed in daylight so that is a camera filter or post-editing to make it seem like nighttime.
If that is Benjen coming to the rescue, then I guess he just found a horse somewhere, because last we saw in season 1, his horse returned to Castle Black.
Abyss,
You rule
The hands resting on Jon’s body & over his eyes are Sansa. The black fur matches the fur she is wearing in the picture where she seems sad. And I recognize her hands.
She’s made it to castle Black only to find Jon dead (cough).
Davos & men – & Ghost are guarding Jon’s body from Thorne etc who are about to break through the door. Ghost very much alive and standing ready to launch – which I cannot wait for!
I agree it looks like Daeny’s hand near the fire – about to prove she is heat tolerant? Wondering where her bouncing baby boy is?
Exactly, I don’t recall the show ever saying the Kingsguard wear white armor. White cloaks are different, and this Knight would have taken off his cloak while fighting. Visually, it’s nice to have the Targaryen sigil on the armor to signify a different time in history when Targs were in charge.
Wasn’t there some rumor that Yara and Theon end up somewhere in Essos at the end of Season 6? Or am I misremembering? I assumed Yara was in some brothel, somewhere in Essos. A Volantis brothel again, like season 5?
Robles,
Coldhands IS NOT Benjen Stark, per GRRM himself.
Darjan,
If that is Meera, I’m worried about her, what is she doing alone outside?
dred,
No, I disagree. When Davos draws Longclaw he is looking past Ghost at the door being beaten down. I think the NW men with him are Jon loyalists getting ready to defend his body.
Those are the Nights watch brothers who are loyal to Jon, he is saying it to them before Thorne and his fellow mutineers break down the door
HenryGordon,
Yea, I think the Umbers are taking the place of the Manderly’s for the show.
Darjan,
Yes I thought of that pic too https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Meera.jpg
The trailer scene could be the same one, shot day for night. The location sure looks right. I don’t know about horses, I suppose you could find a horse after a few years wandering? If only it was an elk. 🙂 Benjen (merged with Coldhands or not) may be wishful thinking but I just can’t think who else it could be riding to the rescue in the forest like that.
I love the idea the Benjen trick was used last season because we’ll be seeing him this season. I wouldn’t mind it being Coldhands, either.
Well, if the Nights Watch in the room with Davos were anti-Jon, they probably wouldn’t even let Davos even grab that sword.
Second…he draws it and doesn’t go into immediate defense and neither do any of the other NW when the start to draw their swords. So they are probably doing a one for all all for one thing.
Jon is blue as blue can be…lol…like, they are making a point to say, “see, he’s dead…we told you he’s dead”. Hilarious.
I’m calling it now. The last scene of the first episode will be the resurrection of Jon Snow in a nod to the last scene of the first episode in season one. One Stark falls and one
rises! Epic!
I have only one question:
Where is H O D O R ????????????
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I still have the currency, just so you know. I’ll be peddling it to D&D mid-season.
The trailer looks fucking amazing.
Harrenhal Creep,
My guess is that “filthy” woman is Lyanna Stark in a Flashblack scene. That is how I imagined her at least, but I cannot make out the other person opposite her to confirm. Any thoughts?
Where is Sansa? She looks too well dressed and well lit for it to be Castle Black.
But if blue roses do… No, I agree. This must be a different spot, possibly Shireen’s spot. It still seems as if he is standing on the edge of a great precipice.
I wonder why Alisser and the mutineers care about Jon’s dead body after they left his corpse to rot in the snow? Or are they after Ghost?
The Sword(s) Of The Morning looks great, but book fans should get used to the idea that there is no Dawn, and if there is, it won’t be pale as milk.
Euron on the rope bridge…GAH!!! I don’t care about the lack of eyepatch, Pilou looks menacing!
I think the Boltons are attacking the wildlings because they’re in Bolton territory and want them dead. Then Jon shows up and saves them! I hope Tormund and Wun Wun don’t die though. This is what I’m thinking.
Lord Snow,
When I did a frame by frame of Arya there it indeed looks like here eyes are normal then she looks up and they are white … much like Bran when he wargs. I have my fingers crossed here 🙂
Me, neither. I see raised skin.
“Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.”
Hmmmm, food for thought right there.
All you people got me worried about Ghost now in that last frame of the trailer.
He can’t be dead, he would be sideways.
It looks like Jon should be laying on a table, like the same kind of table in the background but he looks like his body is just floating there.
Ghost’s lack of reaction/movement with everyone drawing their swords is a bit odd and unnatural so human eyes pick it up and react by thinking Ghost is dead, the only logical explanation for zero reaction.
It is probably just bad CGI in regards to CGI interface with environment.
When everyone draws their swords Ghost should lift his head and draw his teeth or something.
I think I am just being hyper critical because my expectations are so high that I unfairly pick apart everything.
After all, the frame is only like 1.5 seconds.
Perhaps right after that Ghost reacts like a living being and not a dead stage prop.
Cersei’s Brain,
Could it be Hodor/Bran riding down the person in the woods (to protect Meera)?
Kargaryen,
Dany being shown a vision in the flames? By Kinvara?
Zoom in and look across the top. The fur shines like leather, black leather, like men of the Night’s Watch: https://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/GoT41.png
Kay,
I do remember reading about that now that you mention it. The Greyjoys will have an interesting storyline this season, it seems.
That isn’t unnatural at all. Predatory animals are amazingly good at keeping completely still in situations of danger or fighting. I would not be surprised if the final edit has Ghost growling the way that a threatened canine would growl: but those often are among the last things added.
That has a ring to it somehow……
Simple: the plotting was perfectly smooth without him.
When they have shown people warging, they have had white eyes, not milky blue, and they also have had the actors roll their eyes to the top of their eye sockets. This looks like what they showed last year when Arya was blind.
That written, they’ve only done the white-out, roll-up when a warg is consciously jumping to an animal: I think that Bran’s eyes were still normal when he awoke from wolf-dreams. So, maybe Arya will have waking wolf-dreams due to her blindness.
tiny direwolf,
Hodor is neither horseman nor badass. He might could ride a horse. A big horse. A slow walk. But he wouldn’t be able to ride like that.
I would rather it be fireballs! So far, they have been good about avoiding the ridiculous fantasy cliche of having undead be more flammable than gasoline. It is particularly laughable for the wights: it’s hard enough to burn a corpse at room temperature after you drain the blood; you would need a flamethrower to ignite a frozen corpse!
(And, yes, this is something that the viewers know: everyone who ever has spent any time outdoors knows how hard it is to get cold wet wood burning.)
Ginevra,
He could if he was sufficiently possessed.
Ginevra,
Hmmm. OK, anybody want to positively id the hands as Daenyrs? 😀
Seriously, I agree: it’s almost certainly a NW member; I’d bet on a loyalist like Edd. (Geez, Edd is Jon’s only friend left at the Wall, isn’t he?)
Darjan,
The umbers are actually reported to be fighting AGAINST the bolting, not with them.
Kargaryen,
Thank you! Yes! I thought the same thing when I was reading the commentary-that’s not Mel, it’s Dany. Mel looks into fire, Dany touches it.
Phil,
True story. Unless they changed it for the show, Coldhands is 100% NOT Benjen
Ginevra,
I thought they were Mel’s hands…and then I thought they were a man’s hands…and then I thought they were Mel’s hands again….
I’ve settled on Mel because the fabric on the sleeves resembles the fabric on her outfit as she is undressing and I think the lighter color above her arms is her always bare chest.
Am I over-thinking this and every other little detail in every other picture? Yes! Yes, I am! 🙂
I do still wonder about that round mark on the back of the left hand.
Onion Knight,
With Varys…
That explosion near Dany’s Meereen HQ…R&V are on the loose! Barbeque Harpy on the menu tonight!
Trailer has over a million views already in just 9 hours!
Thomas Sandstone,
I agree. If they are simply using the ToJ flashback to sequence to establish the parentage of a certain someone, they would not need to include Dawn or the return of Dawn to the family.
Almost 9 million views on FB!
Wow, this is very well done! Here are a few of my thoughts.
It makes a lot of sense that Davos is at Shireen’s pyre. And it would be a lovely nod to their sweet relationship.
“Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.”
I would much rather this than necrophilia, lol. But seriously, it makes a lot of sense! And with Davos having had Long Claw I’m betting it will become the real lightbringer. Hmm, so this could be the end of Mel?
In respect to Davos’ apology and readying Long Claw, I feel its simply him stating a “I’m a lover nit a fighter” though in his case it would be smuggler instead of lover, and he’s simply saying sorry for the not-pretty style of fighting he’s about to to. As in having no finesse, even though he’s essentially a Knight.
The figure on a horse doesn’t even have to be Coldhands. I would love for a “The Return of Benjen Stark” theme and like someone else pointed out, D&D have melded two characters into one before so perhaps this may be the case with Benjen and the Coldhands character. Who knows.
It does seem to me that Theon helps Sansa escape the Bolton boys and “girls” by staying behind as she flees into the woods where somehow, someway she comes upon Littlefinger.
And I’m pretty sure the flying dragon is Viserion because of the light colouring of its body. It also didn’t seem as big as Drogon and it isn’t supposed to be as big as Rhaegal either.
Those are some of the thoughts I had about some scenes but as my boy Preston Jacobs says “I’m probably wrong about half of them.” 🙂
When I first watched the trailer, I also thought Tyrion was talking to Sansa and I did a fist pump.
Brendon,
I don’t either.
Also, I really don’t think that one shot is Jon. The hair doesn’t look right. We know that
There might also be a literal and figurative component: literal and figurative uncloaking of Melisandre.
(I mean, I don’t know about you, but I’ve never pulled off a miracle while wearing clothes…. 😉 )
VisceralVarys,
That would make sense. Perhaps Davos is even speaking to Sansa. I’m not sure who else he’d be apologizing to for what they’re about to see. It would seem strange to say that to people you’re about to attack, if not convoluted.
Yeah, the only surviving Night’s Watch members left at Castle Black who have names and aren’t extras or one-scene characters are Alliser Thorne, Olly, Othell Yarwyck, Bowen Marsh, and Dolorous Edd. Out of that crew, Edd is the only one who didn’t take part in the mutiny.
If Davos is holed up in a room with Jon’s body and a few loyal members of the Night’s Watch, it makes sense that Edd would be there to serve as their voice, and that he would be the one putting his hand over Jon’s eyes, saying goodbye to his friend. Maybe he helps provide a distraction that enables Davos to smuggle Jon’s body out of Castle Black.
How long do horses last, anyway? It could well be dead of old-age by now, as it’s been close to 4 years on the show since then!
Hey, maybe it’s Thoros having ridden north of the Wall because…. um… er… that reason.
But regarding Coldhands, I doubt that they would add him now. It is quite possible that his contribution to the plot is done, and anything he might contribute could be done by someone else.
not that I am disagreeing to the young Ned Stark/Tower of Joy theory, but that is a lefty and based on Ned/Jaime dual (S01e05), Ned favours his right hand…
Wow.
Just like nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition… this trailer came out of nowhere!
Long time lurker, long time reader, listener of GOO here…
I’ve read (and it kinda looks evident to me) that the Nights King looks different from the previous season and I concur wholeheartedly.
However, this show and the books being what they are… after giving it further thought and adding further context to it from the many discussions read around the fandom, and the official GRRM canon that’s out there.
(I won’t mention the approximately 6 thousand people I called today yelling like a little girl to have them to STOP WHAT THEY WERE DOING IMMEDIATELY TO WATCH THIS TRAILER.)
I propose that this particular vision that Bran is in is not of events of the present, (because HBO gave us that in the form of the trailer today…/RIMSHOT.. See what I did there.. two shows nightly folks, I’m here all week)
I think Bran and Bloodraven are instead seeing the events of the first long night and this is the Nights King from then?
Hadn’t both GRRM (and D&B) mentioned that the Nights King we saw in Hardhome wasn’t the same one from the original long night?
Although, if you compare the Nights King that we saw change Craster’s baby into a White Walker at that altar in season 4 (I wanna say episode 2?) he looks nothing like the one we saw in Hardhome or this one.
I’m still a bit confused about the Nights King to begin with… There was the 13th Lord commander who had a relationship with what seems to be a night walker queen… was this the same Night’s king who was the one who fought the children of the forest the first long night? Or was he just running things at the wall, a little north and south of it doing his white walkery thing for some years not bothering anyone.
I’d assume since the King of the North and the King Beyond the wall banded together to get rid of him, he was trouble with a capital T.
That would make 3 different Night Kings?
Must.
Stop.
Thinking.
Now.
Head.
Exploding.
@GOO Peeps, maybe you’ve had some discussion regarding this?
Well, remember that Melisandre is there herself, and there is no reason why she cannot revive Jon there: as we saw with Thoros and Beric, it is not involved. However, at that point they probably will have to flee Castle Black: I kind of doubt that Jon’s going to win many popularity contests there any time soon. Hopefully not too many of the Wildlings are about to get slaughtered: that would seem just damn depressing after all they’ve been through.
tiny direwolf,
The figure on the horse is a strong fighter and rider who seems experienced in killing wights with fire. Not likely to be Hodor or Bran.
Agree with others that Davos is apologising for being a scrappy sword fighter just as he and the NWs who’re loyal to Jon prepare to fight Alliser and co. I assume they want to get in to burn Jon’s body, although it’s possible they got wind of a resurrection plan and are trying to prevent it.
Really? I noticed no difference! Richard Brake played the Night’s King the two prior times, and that looks like him there, too.
How would there be a plan of which to get wind? The only person who knows that Jon can be revived is Melisandre, and there is no reason why she would tell anyone else. (There is no indication on the show that this ability is well-known outside of the Red Church or that anybody else can do such a thing.) Still, the Nationalists might be trying to prevent the Loyalists from absconding with Jon’s body, which would be the same for all intents and purposes.
Given that Mel could probably blast her way past a few swordsman, I wonder if she’ll just turn up and do things on her own. Still, we have to ask: why is Davos there? What is Jon to him? But would he do this for Mel? He’s not a fan, and their mutual friend is now dead.
Riddles in the dark….
It doesn’t need to be that they are explicitly trying to stop a resurrection. They do know to burn the dead, and anyone trying to prevent that would immediately be suspicious.
Kilgore Tully,
True: and as I noted, for all intents and purposes, it would be the same thing.
What I wonder about more is: what is happening near Castle Black? How are the Nationalists handling the Wildlings?
It’s the present NK. They just alter his look each season slightly since his screen time continues to grow as does the budget.
weirwood,
True but if you look in the other shot with the Kingsguard/Arthur Dayne, the person that is probably Ned is holding a shield in the left hand and I’m guessing a sword in the right.
I doubt it’s him, otherwise he would be riding a great elk, unless they decided to just go with a horse. But I’m hoping it’s Benjen. Gotta be.
In the last picture, that is Ghost near Jon’s head right? I hope Ghost isn’t dead as well! But then why does he seem to be lying down?
Because he’s sad/sleeping. Direwolves lay down.
His nose looks bigger. Idk, must be the way it was shot or something. I’m hoping it’s Richard Brake still.
Repeating a thought from the other thread, I think Bran and the Night’s King are bumping into each other in the weirnet. Or maybe Bran tries some spying but the Night’s King can “see” him because he knows how to use it, too. Either way, I think the look on the Night’s King’s face is saying, “Oh shit, they’ve got a greenseer!?”
It would be really cool if Bran parallels Jon with the psychic version of the Hardhome staredown, only this time the good guy gets the “How you like me now?” moment.
Also, who cares if the Night’s King looks a bit different? Maybe his horns grow and he’s got a huge closet and the first time we saw him he had just gotten a chemical peel. When you look at how much the human [and dragon, and wolf] characters have changed over the seasons, it would just be weird to trot out the exact same look for a major villain.
The Old Brown Wookiee,
Best comment. I think there might be two Night King’s, one being the ex-Lord Commander, and the current Night King, who may or may not have been the Night King during the Long Night. Remember the Long Night took place before the ex-Lord Commander defected and became the Night King.
Here’s my theory. The Night King is a title passed down through a royal bloodline, similar to how the major Houses of Westeros pass down their titles, particularly the Targaryens. This goes more into the Ice VS Fire. The royal family of Ice VS the royal family of Fire.
Down the line the title passed to the maid (who is most likely an Other), she had a child with the current Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch to continue the line. Either due to prophesy or male preference in titles.
It would be spooky if a prophesy stated an Other must mate with one of the First Men, possibly as part of some deal/treaty of Versailles at the end of the Long Night. That their line would lead to the White Walker Prince that was promised to fight Azor Ahai, since that the Great Other is the opposing God to the Red God.
I dunno, it does my head in.
Brendon,
No you’re not
Wimsey,
“Got wind” as in Mel outright says she can bring him back, which provokes a confrontation. Or they just want to get in and burn his body.
Davos had a conversation with Jon last season where he said Stannis “saw something” special in him. Stannis’ view of Jon would be enough for Davos, I think, with or without Mel saying something else. His loyalty doesn’t seem weird to me.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure Davos is with friendly people, Jon’s supporters, in that scene, or else Ghost would destroy him.
EDIT: Also, they did a good job of picking an actor that looks a lot like Theon as Euron Greyjoy.
The Game of thrones trailer on YouTube, from their official page is at 3,753,068 views and is trending on youtube 🙂
HBO would never allow any miracle to be peformed fully clothed, lol. But that would be visually captivating if Jon’s sword plunged into her naked chest becoming Lightbringer. A great throwback to the original AA 🙂
I keep staring at the Night’s King wondering what it is that looks so different. It finally hit me that he’s showing teeth! He doesn’t look as menacing with his mouth open & slight buck teeth.
About the Alliser and company breaking down the door to get to Jon’s corpse: what I’m curious about is why did they leave his corpse out in the snow to begin with? If they were so keen on burning him upon death, why leave him out there long enough for Davos to get his hands on him. Did Alliser & Co go get a bite to eat before returning for Jon’s body? Did they not think someone might stumble upon his body while they left it unattended. These mutineers aren’t very smart.
That’s a great point and makes a lot of sense!
I don’t think Ghost is lying down. Jon is on a table. You can see it in a previous image where someone is closing Jon’s eyes. His head is right at the edge of the table. In the last image of the trailer, Ghost is standing at the edge of that table/next to Jon’s head. If Ghost were lying down we wouldn’t be able to see so much of his body. He’s standing, IMO, and he’s just so damn tall now that he’s the same height as that table. And if he’s standing then he can’t be dead.
They’re probably eager to burn Jon so he doesn’t come back as a wight. In fact after what I’ve seen, I think that’s gonna be the angle of the resurrection scene: there will be a sense of urgency to burn his remains so he doesn’t return as a wight, and an initial sense of fear and apprehension when he finally does get up… before revealing that he’s completely fine.
dred,
I agree. Maybe he gets sacrificed so that Jon can live?
OMG I just can’t wait to see what they will do. I’ve been done the books since Dance with Dragons came out, so I’m thinking anything is possible!
Definitely food for thought.
Greeeeeaaat… That’s something I hadn’t thought about at all!!! Phenomenal theory there!! Think that made my day more so than the trailer!!
Look at how little we know about the Others, this would be an amazing reveal and a nice parallel to the recurring theme of different forms of Ice and Fire.
(Lyanna and Rhaegar’s Union/relationship/romp being another I can come up with offhand.)
(Maybe the thing with that Jon Snow guy that we no nothing about)
In the entire time I’ve been reading these books and all the material I’ve come across I can’t say that I ever thought of a royal lineage to the Other bloodline. Very exciting if something like that gets revealed. Crasters children could play some part in this as well. Perhaps his bloodline, which must contain some of the First Men’s, is part of that treaty and the Other’s hierarchy.
It’s hiding in plain sight really.
It’s the other side of the coin.
Of course there has to be someone on the Others side to be the one to give the warrior of fire a run for their money. Like you said It is a song of Ice and Fire. The important underlying thing of this entire story is the bigger conflict brewing and not the war of the kings that’s basically been filler.
The slow build up of the magic elements peppered throughout the TV series and the books… It’s the first game in a double header. The main game is about to begin with the Others and the Red God.
The reality of this world that people are oblivious to is about to turn all of the petty squandering going on everywhere on Planetos on its ass.
I don’t think it’ll happen this season, but in the next two I’d love to see all the proverbial sh*t hit the fan.
I picked the wrong day to quit smoking.
And Sniffing glue.
My mind is now blown again for the 30th time today. Great reply House Applebee!!
In retrospect I should’ve called you first before I did the 6000! Although, in your defense, the scream would’ve probably been my loudest one of the day. I may or may not have been coherent.
Doesn’t look too urgent at the beginning of the trailer. He’s bleeding out with not a soul in sight.
Brendon,
First mark below her right eye is a skin blemish, second one might be a tear but the picture isn’t sharp enough to tell for sure.
Trailer just gained 2 million more views in the past 2 hours!
Quick question does any1 know how I can download the trailer to my iPhone it’s iOS 9
VisceralVarys,
Not Sansa, that person is wearing leather, also I went over Sansa scene in normal mode in you tube, and it’s not a tear it’s a skin blemish (2) under her right eye folks.
grailking,
Went over the Sansa fur scene in normal speed and the quality is better then the stills, not a tear, she has 2 skin blemishes below her right eye.
Thanks ladies for the great breakdown!
Finally managed to see Ghost near Jon.
Great thing to start the day with.
However I am profoundly suprised how noone has not been complaing yet on SIX Stark soldiers at TOJ ( there are 7 of them in the books goddamit!) – #NOONEUNDERSTAAAAAAAANDS
………
(just joking 😉
The Old Brown Wookiee,
Haha no prob man. Keen as f**k. Yeah, probably an endgame thing. Season 7 or 8 / Dream of Spring.
Valar Dohypes, ALL MEN MUST HYPE!
I’ve been through all the above comments and no one mentions the burning man. Comments near the image mention Stannis. Come on. Forgotten already? Brienne took his head off with Oathkeeper.
Presuming the corpse was found, would either Bolton go to all the trouble of sewing Stannis’ head back on? Pause for a moment, and go look at the image. Do you see flames and how they are? Even if the head is sewn back, considering the intensity of fire, wouldn’t the head separate away before this stage?
How can it be Stannis?
So, who is it? How about LF & Sansa? (It’d be fakes, right.) What if it’s Roose? Now that would be something Ramsey would do! Who would be about the same build as Sansa? There’s a use for a dead girl dressed in black, would you not say?
Not convinced that guy is the Night’s King at all. Probably just one of his subordinates, from the 13.
Lennie. Let’s call him Lennie.
Wilber’s Forza Danza,
They’re not going to burn Sansa. Its probably Tormund, as it fits with that clip of his frightened face surrounded by Bolton men.
Looper,
Not sure the timeline would work for Sansa to get there. Though I guess with Davos going to see Shireen’s corpse, he could run into her and Theon. But they would have to come up with a good reason why the NW lets Jon’s body lie about so long.
Don’t worry too much about Meera. Just before the shot of Brienne killing Boltons (at 1:10) we see a second person slitting someone’s throat from behind with a knife. And in the stills we can clearly see their brown curly hair. Smaller, shorter than Brienne, different armour. And sneaking up from behind and slitting someone’s throat with a knife is a Meera favourite move. Just ask Osha. So I’m guessing Meera is taking care of things.
Jack Bauer 24,
Well there’s clearly a “grace period” of sorts since they didn’t burn all of their dead immediately after the battle at the Wall in Season 4. But I’d think after a short while they’re gonna want to take care of business before ol’ blue eyes gets up.
Also, if Thorne and co. are trying to cover their tracks at all, it’d be awfully suspicious if they just dragged Jon’s body off to burn immediately after death. They’re gonna wanna try to make it look as “natural” as possible with all the ceremony due a dead member of the Watch in order to sell the idea that someone else killed him (probably some Wildling or maybe even Olly).
Nor can they quickly dispose of the corpse and clean up the blood and just say Jon deserted the Watch. No, there’s gonna have to be a bit of theater involved for this.
To me the most interesting part of the whole trailer (beside the way Bran is standing next to the Night’s King of course) is Littlefinger standing in forest covered in snow. Like, where the hell he is? Last time we saw him in KL. So unless winter has come to KL, he’s where? The North to meet again with Sansa? The Vale to get Sweetrobin or to hide there? Or is LF the Azor Ahai and he’s beyond the Wall to fight the Others? 😉
Wow. Why did I never think of Tommen as being the Valonquar? But it does look like it’s Tommen vs Cersei in that trailer.
I hope …..The show keeps nonsense coincidences to a minimum ….absolute minimum. ..like …sansa running in the forest and suddenly littlefinger appears out of no where ……..
and jorah finding danys ring is a major case of this …i mean what are the odds….of finding a ring in such a large grassland. …
my other observations/ speculations are positive. ….
like tyrion is seriously troubled by sons of harpy….They are blowing up stuff….and tyrion needs to release the dragons? ?? ( maybe )))
..
and is arya gonna run away from house of black and white ….coz jaqen is seriously ..punishing her ,…and is she forced to beg in the streets? ?
and Jon snow will be leading the battle against the Boltons ….With help of umbers. ..
plus a lot more questions …….it was an awesome trailer. ..
The filthy women are probably hitting Margery with sandals or something after Margery’s confession.
Is Tyroin on his way down to the dungeons to visit the other 2 dragons? It could prove that he is one of the 3 with Danny if they do not crispy fry and eat him!
So a lot of people were predicting Jon being unburnt after a funeral pyre and rising up as AA, but the trailer certainly seems to not point that way at all.
Also, very excited to see what appears to be Tyrion releasing the dragons lol.
And could Tyrion’s line about being in the great game be to Dany? Perhaps after they’re reunited and she decides to head to Westeros? Her heading to Westeros would certainly indicate her finally entering the game of thrones.
Thomas Sandstone,
The part on the armor could be very true. This could also be part of Rhaegars personal guard, as he was not a king and thus not controlling the kingsguard.
EURON HAS NO EYE-PATCH!!!! THANK THE OLD GODS!!
ok that’s it, I promise.
I wanted too share a theory I got on why Allister tries too get Jon’s body.
He isn’t, that’s Sansa he tries to gets too. She arrives there and it’s too her Davos say’s ”he’s gone”.
Ramsey then finds out she is at CB and sends a revan demending her back, and he threatens too attack the wall if he doesn’t get her.
Allister and the other traitors, out of fear of being attacked by the Boltons try to get her, so they can send her back too Ramsey.
So what do you think? I could be totally wrong, and honestly expect to be, but this idea just came too me earlier.
Thomas Sandstone,
Agree. Dawn would simply look silly on TV. It exists in the books simply for world building, and we’ll probally never even see it in the books at all.
Alltough we know he gets one sword from someone dead, either another KG or one of the Northeners, so he could have Dawn but it’s smeared in blood and we can’t see it.
Anyway this is irrellevent too me. I’m more then fine either way.
maester blaster,
Perfectly said. The TV only said that KG have white capes not white armor.
So changing the armor too a more ”Targaryan style” too show that the events take place in a different time. It’s basic design.
Also looks like I was right, that Euron and Balon have a scene togheter.
Again it’s basic adaptation, it would have been a big mistake too not have at least one scene with these 2, too show their relationship and get a bit more info on Euron.
I did not think it will be the rope-bridge scene, but now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense.
Guys, GOT has the most retarded writing in history of television. I mean how the fuck did jorah and darrio find the ring in the grass? You do realize that is impossible. I mean it is like someone that wins 10 times in row 6/49 lotto. WTF is wrong with these stupid writers?
fasads,
I can look out the window right now and see 3 metal objects flickiring in the grass, and the grass is preaty big and wasn’t trampled by tens of thousand of Dothraki, in a circle pattern.
And it’s quite cloudy it would be even easier if it was a sunny summer day.
Shoo back too Westeros.org little troll, shoo.
Damn the trailer has 18mil views on facebook!! The hype is real!
The Old Brown Wookiee,
I know that it’s not a well-regarded site here, and I won’t link to it, but the many “Heresy” threads at a certain other site have featured intensive, if not exhaustive, discussions of the nature of the White Walkers/Others, their origin, their relationship to the Children of the Forest and to the Starks, their motivations (or the motivations of those who may have created them), and the identity of the Night’s Queen and Night’s King. You can find those threads by Googling “Heresy 182” and working back from there. They are focused on the books, but do refer to the show from time to time.
Glad I’m not the only one who thought there was something off with the Night’s King. Doesn’t look like Richard Brake from previous seasons.
lol…. just lol… you have no idea how life works. Like I said this was the equivalent of me winning 10 times in row 6/49. I won’t discuss further because this is an obvious fact and if you don’t understand how retarded this is, then it’s pointless to have any further discussion. This is by far the most retarded thing in history of all television and movie that i now of. There weren’t anything more stupid than this on a movie or a tv show that I ever seen. And I think I have watched over 300 tv shows and 2000 movies in my 40 years of living.
cellar door,
What about putting Longclaw through Melissandre’s bare chest?
fasads,
Hundreds or even thousands of horses traveling anywhere are going to leave very clear trails. They could’ve easily followed the tracks. Add to that that they probably created a very clear circle around Dany when they were riding around her. One ring in the grass, in the middle of a dirt or mud track is not that hard to see.
Or maybe she’s just gay.
fasads,
Shh little troll, shh.
Just leave us retards here alone and go back too Westeros.org, that’s where the enlighten folk live.
Also Aragorn would like too call out on your bullshit.
Apollo,
This will make the purists rage…it will be so good!
cellar door,
………. No. He was apologizing ahead of time for being a shite fighter, which could bevtrye it could just be self deprecating Davos.
You’re reading too much into it there.
Thomas Sandstone,
he’s got the sword of the moning, its pure white. Arthr Dayne confirmed.
So, Is Eddie Eyre Young Ned in Tower of Joy?
He tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/EddieEyre/status/707354875928158208
https://twitter.com/EddieEyre/status/707355729787801601
El-Bobby,
They won’t see the ring outright, but if it’s a sunny day, it’s very easy too see it, it shines.
Like I said, I can see about 2-3 metal objects in the field outside my window. And the grass is preaty big and it’s quite cloudy.
You don’t need the tracks too find it, you just need to get a glimpse of it shining in the sun.
That’s what I thought, as well. And is she stroking that metalwork? It would have to be scorching hot from a long-burning fire, it must be Dany, after she is rescued it seems.
I love that Euron looks more like S1 Theon than S5 Theon does.
Also, my favorite moment was seeing the Night’s King standing behind Bran. So quick yet so awesome!
The trailer footage of the Wildlings fighting the Boltons and the flayed man on the Bolton cross are a dead giveaway of Jon’s involvement in the battle.
Aside from the photographic evidence of Jon in Stark gear on the battlefield set with the Bolton cross visible nearby and the director of episde 9 next to him as well as set leaks that reported about Jon going into the battle with the Wildlings, we can reach that logical conclusion considering facts from the show. They have put emphasis on the Wildlings’ aversion to the possibility of being led by any southern lord or engaging in any southern affairs. They repeatedly refused Stannis’ offers. So the only explanation of their involvement in the Winterfell battle is that they are rallied under Jon, who basically saved their lives, or they’re led by Tormund who also wouldn’t be fighting unless he’s teamed up with Jon.
“Nonsincidences” 😛
Yeah, I generally agree. But for Jorah finding the ring: It’s not impossible. Jorah knows the Dothraki well. If he catches a rumor of Dany and tracks down the Khalasars in the area he can find the spot. And remember how the riders circled around Dany? Right in the middle is her ring. It’s possible that the horse tracks are still visible.
Anyway, I only care for Benjen 😀 *lalalalalala* can’t express how much I hope you people are right that he might be the fire ball rider!
At the top of the thread.
Robles,
GRRM has sadly already confirmed that Benjen is not Coldhands
Gravemaster,
Nice catch. Very creepy indeed, they do not seem to be in a room where the nobility would live though. Might be that D&D felt that it was too repetitive to have them slain in their own quarters (Tywin and all that).
Overall, nice trailer and it didn’t give away too much. Hope this is the only one they release. Feels good not knowing what is coming.
Twenty-five to thirty years is the lifespan of a horse. Unless it’s an ice horse.
i get the feeling that Brienne might not come out of the sansa / theon rescue. I wonder if she’ll be ramsey fodder? Certainly lots of Jon Snow in a trailer for S6 when he’s dead. Mel getting her love jubblies out again made me smile. Azor Ahai confirmed?
Targaryens aren’t immune to fuck it never mind.
regular jon umber,
No Targaryans aren’t.
Dany is heat resistant. As S1 clearly proved, with the dragon egg scene and the bath scene.
Now is she also fire resistant? That’s open too interpretation, I think she is until more evidence is provided.
But there is no doubt, in the show at least, she is HEAT resistant.
regular jon umber,
You’re saying Egg is dead?
scififantasygirl,
No way Sansa escapes to LF. We have seen a photo of her and Theon taking farewell in a shore. LF is still on his way when sansa and theon escape. It goes without saying.
Phil,
Phil,
I am not implying that Davos is about to harm Ghost but somehow Ghost will be sacrificed in some manner to save Jon. “Only death can pay for life” or something like that. I agree that Davos is about to give battle against attackers but Ghost is just lying there with Jon in the symbolic ‘christian’ sacrifice, death and resurrection cross position. If attackers are coming (and they are) why is Ghost in such a strange physical position? Ghost is positioned away from the attackers, not even between Jon and his enemies. He is lying supine and perhaps unconscious.
Felas,
*Sigh*
Aethar,
I think that’s a strong possibility, and his tweets lend a bit more credence to our earlier predictions that Robert Aramayo is Howland Reed and Luke Roberts is Arthur Dayne.
This duel is gonna be god-tier, Dawn or not. I can just feel it. It’ll put the Hound vs. Beric and Oberyn vs. the Mountain to shame… at least until Cleganebowl happens. IT’S COMING.
Speaking of amazing fights, I just have to reiterate how badass Davos is in that trailer. Based Davos just up and grabbing Longclaw and ready to lay the beatdown on Thorne and his cronies. I think I’m more excited for that than anything at the moment. That and Robert Strong splitting Sparrows in half.
What can I say, I have a bit of a bloodlust. Lol
BunBunStark,
made me wonder if it’s theon
fasads,
You just made yourself look like a retard with that ignorant comment of yours.
The Dragon Demands,
Could this be lyanna on top of rheagar tagarien
Its a great trailer, a nice tease without spoiling anything really. Its almost like those who made it first looked at this site to see what is already spoiled and included just that.
I also think Jorah finding that ring is absolutely ridiculous and its totally unnecessary on top of that. He and Dario could easily learn about Dany being taken by Dothrakis by different, way more realistic means.
I am not so sure about supposed Nissa Nissa moment. I can see why many would prefer that to the alternative of Mel fucking Jon back to life…, but it would not be really a Nissa Nissa like event. All seems to ignore that AA myth is really about a sacrifice of someone loved, about dedication to the Red God and to the great cause of saving humanity. Jon or Davos killling Mel is not really that. Stannis/Shireen was Nissa Nissa like moment, Jon killing Arya would be Nissa Nissa moment (for this reason i dont get why people want Jon to be AA).
In the scene with Ironborn on a cliff – who is the person they’re all looking at? Seems to have long white hair. . .
Prince that was promised turning out to be a prince of White walkers would be an interesting turn of events. After all Rhaegar got at least some parts of that prophecy wrong, possibly this one as well.
After studying the hands laid on Jon they don’t quite appear to be a woman’s hands but they do seem too small/smooth to be, say Edd’s. Could be a younger recruit but then you’d assume it should be someone significant. They do appear to be wearing NW black garb. To be honest, I got a vision of Arya, what with the length and color of the shadow of hair we can see. But she isn’t rumored to be going to castle Black so….
Gotta love Davos. A man of honor mixed with compassion just like Jon. Speaking of which, seeing the opening with him laying there all alone dead on the cold ground with the words “He’s gone” brought on the feels yet again 🙁
Sansa looks beautiful. We’re going to be rooting for Cersei this season. Who would have ever guessed that.? Lena’s a terrific actress. I hate to see Tormund die but we know he will dang it.
When Kit Harrington said that he had done his best work as a corpse, he was not kidding… just look how many shots of him laying dead are there in the trailer alone? 😉 😉
Is the shot of Cersei looking onward not her awaiting the return of Jamie from Dorne? I remember in filming we were notified of her filming a scene in Dubrovnik with the Mountain which looked very similar to the backdrop in the still above
BeefyStick,
Damphair
dred,
Supine means to be on one’s back, which Ghost certainly is not. In fact, if we are to assume that is the same table we see Jon on earlier, then there wouldn’t be room for Ghost to be laying down at all (neither supine, nor >prone<), which could only mean that Ghost is standing at Jon's head.
I do not believe the folks in the room are enemies, given that they allow Davos to casually grab and unsheath Longclaw in close quarters. This, Ghost would have no reason to react. However, when Thorne, Marsh, and Co. come busting through the door-let's assume those scenes are connected-then we can assume Davos and Friends do not intend to go gently into that goodnight. No, they will fight, and Ghost will eat Olly's face while he cries in a corner.
In all honesty though, I kinda want the traitors-Thorne, especially-to live just long enough to see that Jon was right. I would love to see Thorne's face as the army of the dead marched on the Wall. Then Jon can throw him off!
‘I choose violence’ – The lannisters go get all the good lines!
House Applebee,
I didn’t realise that White Walkers have a proper biological cycle, that is that they die of natural causes (old age, heart attack, pneumonia etc). I thought they were magic that it lasts as long as somebody else puts an end to it, which if it is true it probably means that the Night’s King we have now is the same as the one since the beginning of the White Walker phenomenon unless there was one ambitious zombie who got a promotion a la GOT style…
We’ve had no word of a show Victarion, have we? My money is on D+D giving his story to Yara, she’s kissing a certain dusky lady there and is on her way to Mereen to steal Dany for herself
ghost of winterfell,
Really not sure. I wonder if she’s proving something to the dothraki by touching the brazier? Does she want to start a fire? Don’t really know…
Heather Hymn,
Yup. Other than Dany no one would be able to touche that brazier and don’t burn their hands.
I do have to say that the apparent spontaneous gayness of Yara is unnecessary and disappointing. Really, HBO? Six years in and you’re still going for the sex-shocks?
KG,
Really. When was Yara’s sexuality defined in the show?
PS. Its just a picture and has no context.
Has anyone found a 1080p version of the trailer yet?
Sansa makes it to Castle Black – The screen shot of her in the fur with the light coming through the window is identical to the scene when Sam & Jon are sitting at the table talking in Jon’s office and Sam asks Jon to send him to the Citadel.
In the last scene with Davos, I’m fairly certain one of the NW is Ian Lloyd Anderson – he was one of the bad guys that tried to rape Gilly and beat the leather out of Sam last season. Not sure what it means – is he with Davos or against him – but it’s interesting…
http://www.lisarichards.ie/actorsm/ian-lloyd-anderson-actor#.VuAMnVnLfqA
Depending on what happens in VD, people will start arguing again if dany is immune to fire or not. Most book readers believe she isn’t because GRRM said that in an interview. I’m going to say this again, I’d rather believe what GRRM said in his own book than in an interview.
So yeah, for me she is immune even in the books. Her hair is the only thing that can be burned. And everytime there’s a refference in the books about her hands being burned, it’s due to riding, without gloves, and not caused by fire.
Is it just the lighting, or does Davos seem to be in different clothes in the last shots?
There are actually two frames of Theon in the trailer. In the first, he looks surrendered to the soldiers with the hounds, head down, then he suddenly looks toward something (the image shown above). I bet that’s Brienne charging in, Oathkeeper swinging. So the frames a few on of her killing Bolton soldiers would follow immediately after the Theon frames.
Aren’t we going to talk about Arya’s not-so-blind eyes in the shot where the Waif is slapping her??
?????,
And why is Ned Stark left handed in the ToJ flash?
Good stuff!
To me, the “filthy women” look like Osha and Rickard returned.
The screen shot of Davos by himself looks like he’s looking over the hill at something burning below. Notice the light reflecting on the bushes towards the left. I wonder what it could be? Maybe he found a burning bush. Not.
Kargaryen,
The age-old “fire inmunity” debate.
No, Drogon did not “set Dany on fire”. This is what happens between Daenerys and Drogon:
Daenerys is roared at with very hot breath, and Drogon shoots fire at her, but she avoids the latter. She doesn’t escape uninjured though:
Her hair also largely burned away, though it’s unclear when that happened in the chaotic sequence of events in the pit. Trying to keep GRRM consistent (unless he himself has changed the rules, which he hasn’t said he has), I would say the breath was hot, very hot, but not burning like fire, and Daenerys’ naturally heightened resistance to heat protected her against Drogon’s breath. Her injured hands almost certainly come from ripping out the red-hot spear from Drogon’s back – proof enough Daenerys is not completely immune to the dangers of extreme heat. In addition, the fact that Daenerys is afraid of being burned seems indicative that the Targaryens do not believe in a blanket fire immunity for themselves.
Tywin of the Hill,
The debate will continue until she’s seriously injured I guess. While in the books we might not be sure what’s the deal, I believe in the show they made her immune. Well, if the leaked info from Almeria is true.
Joffrey’s Cunt,
http://m.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/drama/game-of-thrones-season-6-trailer-released-but-jon-snow-still-looks-very-dead-20160309-gne21q.html
You are right, they are not Edd’s hands. The hands are too smooth, which leads me to believe that they belong to a young person. And they are not Mel’s either, which can be seen when you compare this shot with the earlier one of Mel. The only options I can think of are either Sansa or Olly. Again, Sansa seems unlikely as that person seems to be wearing NW blacks. So the only person I can think of is Olly. Or else a new recruit, in which case it would be just a random NW guy, no one important.
Chymeria,
Well i knew he was “dead” but actually seeing him lying there deceased, in more than one scene, and being pronounced truly dead, on the heels of Kit saying he only appears as a corpse and thats it this season plus everyone stating he wont be the same when and if resurrected, well to me Jon Snow IS dead then. The show wont be the same. I was in love with the bastard Lord commander, not some cold shell of a man that he will likely become.
Something rubbed me the wrong way with Cersei and Jamie making out ahain. Anyone else feel like thy should have progressed out of that stage at rhis point?
Kargaryen,
The fire immunity question will have too wait until Dany’s scene in Almeria.
She is heat resistant tough, in the show at least, this no one can deny.
fasads,
You’re forty, and you still use the word “retarded”?
a few more thoughts this morning after rewatching and looking at these stills..
-that hand with the ring on it is certainly Dany inside a …tent……with Drogan’s next snack…err Drothraki.. in the background
-That is mans hands closing Jon’s eyes..most likely whoever it is that finds the body and moves it to that room
-“He’s gone” is Davos talking to Mel maybe about Stannis and it ties in with her I was wrong speech
my dream scenario for the Sansa (in fur) shot is this is final episode and she is taking control of Winterfell
The Dragon Demands,
Couldn’t the picture you think is Yara greyjoy with another women be of lyanna stark on top of rhaegar targerian ?
They all are. The shot must be reversed or something.
Ygritte,
Ygritte,
I believe John Snow is dead.
John Stark will rise….it is the only way to release him from his vows to the watch. John Snow is to honorable to walk way from those vows until ‘his watch has ended’.
Right! And they have dragons and blood magic and burning leaches and smokey guys killing people… Fiction sucks! 😉
Vegodread,
I wouldn’t be so sure hat that is Sansa with her hand on Jon and at Castle Black. It could be Edd or Davos. It looks like man’s hands and Sansa well it could be some stronghold in the North but it could be Castle Black. Impossible to say with certainty.
Skipping most of the comments so I am not spoilt.
Is that Ghost next to Jon in the first shot of his body?
fasads,
You’re right. I’m not going to watch the show ever again. Thank you for the advice. I wouldn’t have stopped watching without your help.
fasads,
Following Drogon’s lead? Jorah lived among the Dothraki so he probably can see a huge khalasar rode in circles near the site Drogon spent time recovering. If I saw that I would canvas the area for hints of what might have happened to Daeny…
Deesensfan,
Yes.
EDIT: Oh the first shot? no idea 🙁
Mihnea,
He looks dead 🙁
KG,
Goes to show how really progressive our world really is when being a lesbian is still considered shocking in these times . You should be ashamed of yourself especially being a woman .
Redxabi,
It’s established in the books. I fully support changes that enable the story to be told concisely on the television screen. Random sweeping changes to the characters themselves for no good reason annoys me.
I’m excited Tyrion is going to see Rhaegal and Viserion but I can’t see him freeing them? Except for maybe Dany idk how anyone could do that without being fried, unless they used magic or something (an idea I personally hate). Also Varys is in that scene as well… According to those leaked photos from the set
so not sure how much of a mess Meereen will be when they visit the dragons so idk if they’re visiting R&V to unchain them.
Deesensfan,
I have too admit seeing so many shots of him dead, it did make me a bit worried 🙁
KG,
No,it’s just clear you have a problem with a specificig sexuality and are only using poor excuses like every bigot homophobe will do .
Speaking of Yara.
I think she will take Victarion’s role. If they go with the entire
story.
I don’t mind gay Yara….not at all….
Tyrion the Myrions,
You jump to the wrong conclusion with all the glee of a monkey joining a shit-fight.
I would be just as disgusted if the producers made Loras heterosexual for no good reason.
KG,
Yeah,keep bringing those excuses, you really think this is the first time i had an argument with a racist,homophobe or any other bigot on the internet ? They all use the same lame excuses that you use to cover themselves up . Just in this fandom i know one example of racism,when Lindaaaa of westeros.org bitched about Xaro Xhoan Daxos’s actor being black when his character was white in the books,it’s subtle racism but it’s there .
Mihnea,
yeah, I am thoroughly worried.
Tyrion the Myrions,
And you are assigning subtext where there is none. I reject random changes to established characters when it serves no point regarding the accurate adaptation of the book to the screen.
I didn’t like the change that turned icky consensual sex between Jaime and Cersei into rape.
I fully supported the change from Jeyne Poole to Sansa being Ramsay’s unwilling victim.
I was happy to see them present Loras and Renly as lovers.
I dislike them changing Yara’s sexuality for no reason.
It’s pretty simple to understand, once you get your head out of your ass and actually listen to what I’m saying. But that’s probably asking too much from a knee-jerker looking for a fight.
In the scene with Tyrion you can see Varys in the background standing with a torch (safely at a distance). The next shot shows a dragon flying (away), which suggest that Tyrion is in the pyramid to free the dragons.
Tyrion the Myrions,
There’s no need to use that sort of language. Some people just don’t like changes non-stop, and I’m sure if it was the other way round KG would be equally annoyed.
Personally I’m willing to give it a chance, because it would be great if we had a strong lesbian character (as long as she isn’t clichéd), and we also do not know the context of the situation but I don’t have a problem with people politely disagreeing with me.
Tyrion the Myrions,
You mean “You have screamed that someone is bigoted until everyone wandered away to find some peace and quiet.” I am well familiar with THAT style of arguing. It’s the tack taken by two-year olds.
Won’t work.
KG,
And how exactly you can define whether there is a reason for changing her sexuality(which hasn’t even been defined in the show btw and this is not like it’s the first time they changed something from the books)when the season hasn’t even aired yet ? Maybe you should get your head out of your homophobe’s ass and stop being paranoid of me looking to argue for no reason, i literally have a 1000 things better to do than have a discussion with you anyway .
Jeb,
Exactly. I’m not going to not watch the show because of this, and – being an American – I have the right to dislike the choice, and to express my doubts.
KG,
Aside from Yara allowing Theon to feel her up so she could torment him, there has been no indication of her sexuality, so what makes you think they have changed it for no reason? What makes you think she is not simply manipulating someone? What makes you think anything, since there is no context for you to dislike any arrogantly alleged changes?
Perhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass, as well.
Jeb,
Well you sound like a reasonable person, anyway KG is known to be very agressive in this community so that’s why i responded in kind to her .
Jeb,
Nicely said.
I like the idea of Yara being gay. Will reserve final judgment when I actoully see more of her, a 0.5 sec scene isn’t enough for me to give a final verdict.
It’s how they portray her being gay that interests me.
Why they made her gay, doesn’t matter too me at all.
Tyrion the Myrions,
Because all we have to go on is the story as published in the books.
The possibility of Asha getting pregnant from her relationship with Qarl the Maid (and thus producing a legitimate heir to the Iron Islands) is potentially – and I say potentially, because none of us know where the story is going – more vital of a plot point than whatever influence the Dusky Woman is going to have.
I think it’s an unnecessary change. So … yeah. Disagree with me if you want, but don’t lay your issues at my doorstep.
Tyrion the Myrions,
I’m aggressive because fanboys freak out like five-year olds every time you raise a point that goes against the groupthink.
Some days it’s like trying to talk to goldfish in here. GLOOP GLOOP!
Is Yara in the Oldtown ? And Ramsay looks pretty scared
This trailer… No words!!! AWESOME, BEAUTIFUL…
Davos protecting Jon’s body against the men of the Night’s Watch…
Jon riding?????… Well, APRIL!!!
Who cares if Yara is gay or bi or just bored and felt like kissing a woman.
lol
KG,
Oh, oh! Here’s the quote I was thinking of. She could be talking about you folks!
Okay, look guys: It’s not Jon. They won’t let a living Jon slip into a trailer, no matter how cool/brutal that shot of the horses rolling in the mud might look. Also, Jon is wearing a ponytail/man-bun in the leaked picture, and I’d imagine he’d be leading the army, rather than being one of a thousand random soldiers.
KG,
Oh here we go again with theories that we consider fact….. 9 out of 10 of those will be wrong even in the books. I expect only R+L=J will be true.
And before you jump on me. If they portray her badly then I will fully agree with you that this change was pointless and bad.
But I’m sick seeing people rant about changes just because it destroy’s their theories.
Instead you should think what this change means too that theory..
Deesensfan,
Like you saw, it isn’t the fact that she is gay that bothered some people, but the fact that her being gay makes a book theory null and void.
Davos and Jon never really had a relationship, so I wonder why Davos is protecting Jons body so much.
Im not complaining, just wondering.
Mihnea,
But its a theory.
People will always find something to complain about hahaha
Deesensfan,
In the hardcore book forums, some theories became fact.
Simply by the long time they had too find ”evidence” and years too convince themselves it’s true.
It happened before AFFC was realesed, it happened before ADWD and it will happen again before TWOW will come out. The show is simply hurrying the inevitable.
The ring, on the hand by the fire… isn’t that Dany’s ring?
Same here
Nice break down, though I think the Cersei shot is of her awaiting Myrcella at the harbour
Kargaryen,
I agree…that would be an awfully hot piece of metal to stick a hand on for anyone other than a Targ.
The part where someone has hands over Jon, It has to be a man since he has a beard. Right??
LF laid out his plan to invade the North last season, so it’s not really surprising that he’s shown in the North (whether it’s the Godswood, as some have claimed, or just a forest; I can’t really tell the difference based on that one shot).
Deesensfan,
Too discuss more pleasent things.
I think he’s preaty fond of Jon. Stannis clearly respected him so Davos probally likes him too.
Also one thing i’m certain, is that Davos would never support a backstabbing traitor like Thorne.
And besides….what else can he do? Where would he go now that his king is dead.
He probally protects Jon’s body from a sense of honor, more then anything else.
KG,
Bisexuality or homosexuality is shocking?
My theory on why the Mutineers want to break down the door and burn the body is that they want to keep the mutiny secret, since it is a head-rolling, treasonous offense, after all. They claim Jon ran off to take back Winterfell or is just plain AWOL at the Wall. But they must first destroy all evidence. Then feign ignorance. Then bide their time until a new election when Alliser is sure to be named Lord Commander. I’m not sure what they plan to do to the Wildlings after that, but they’ll have to be clever given that there are a couple hundred men in black and thousands or tens of thousands of Wildlings.
Robles,
Coldhands is not Benjen
You know, for a dead man, Jon Snow still managed to have a lot of time in this trailer 😉
ooooh, Mel is DEFINITELY wearing a fur cloak in the shot where she tells Davos that her vision is a lie.
Looks more like the one Sansa is wearing than the NW ones, where are our Red-headed ladies finding these luxurious grey fur cloaks.
But I am very interested in the fact that she covering herself up, could it be that she is actually cold? A reduction in power? Or just feeling insecure in her abilities?
As a bisexual woman myself I hope that Yara is kissing her legitmately, they’ve removed a lot of the ladies loving ladies scenes so far. Dany is definitely not straight, she’s slept with at least two of her handmaidens repeatedly. I find it disturbing that people are claiming that they are changing Yara’s sexuality, when it hasn’t been established at all. And as for SHE’S STRAIGHT IN THE BOOKS (first of all Theon’s sister has slept with men in the books, it does not mean she would not sleep with a woman, she definitely seemed appreciative of them) THERE IS NO YARA IN THE GODDAMN BOOKS.
Connor,
It didn’t dawn on me that that was an option. Good eye.
What you mean only Castle Black has windows to let sunlight through? This could be any Northern stronghold. Its certainly some castle as the chandelier gives this away but I can’t see this in any of the Castle Black scenes (specifically in the Great Hall). So theres no evidence this is Castle Black..
Ginevra,
They left the corpse sitting in the middle of the yard for what looks like an extended period, so I don’t think secrecy is the watchword here.
Also even if Yara was completely same-sex only, that does not rule out a pregnancy ever. 2+2=5?
Homosexuality is not a new thing people, gay people have had to produce heirs in the past.
Mihnea,
Yeah that’s true, that makes sense. And you are right, he has no one else and no where else to go.
This was my thinking. Why not move the body immediately if they wanted it hush-hush?
Can you provide a screenshot? Castle Black doesn’t have chandeliers that grand….Winterfells are more like this (but not the same).
Tyrion the Myrions,
I am freaking gay and I had the same reaction KG did, you are going to call me a homophobe too? In the books she is clearly straight and changing that in the show seems either an excuse to put on two women kissing (fetishizing female homosexuality) or a “masculinization” of Yara’s character, as “she is a ship capitain and a tough fighter so she must be lesbian”. Cersei is bi in the books, as are Nym and Margaery, but Asha is not and changing that for pure shock value/fetishizing women kissing/turning strong female characters into manly versions of themselves is simply not right.
GRRM said that his Night’s King lived so long ago that he couldn’t possibly be the one in the show. And they keep needing to use Crastor’s babies as replacements.
A clue you have not.
Could Mel be seriously suffering from “faith doubt” this season? Regardless, if she either recommits or redirects her faith to/from R’hllor, I believe she will end up sacrificing herself to a higher power…for better or worse.
Manderly’s Assistant Baker,
omg…..
Hmm it could be they change their mind and try to cover it up due to a change in circumstances, could be that Sansa DOES go to the wall, and when Thorne hears of this, wants to dispose of the body fearing eventual retaliation from the Starks (were the Starks not responsible for taking the Watch in hand if it became unruly?).
But to be honest it seems a little far-fetched, and Sansa would have to get there awful quick (if she gets there at all?).
Maybe a letter from Ramsay demanding Jon?
Honestly, I think it’s none of these things but something that we will not be able to figure out until we have more context (but it’s fun trying to guess while we wait).
Deesensfan,
It will only get worse from here on…
Just learn too block them out. Like I did.
Jorah could be following the dragon and comes upon the mashed down grass. The ring sparkles in the sunshine.
Yara kissing a girl……get over yourselves.
Why be disgusted at all? Its an adaption – and you/ we don’t know what arc Yara has in S6. For all we know her arc may get combined with Victarions in some way (would make sense now that Stannis is dead). Its really not a big deal.
Deesensfan,
Also too cheer you up a bit.
Pause the trailer at 1:16 right after Tormund appears. Just a fraction before the white horse falls over and look at the rider in centre.
EDIT: just realized the picture is actoully in the article. I should start reading the articles with more care.
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
No, Asha likes men – there is zero evidence she does not like women. But AGAIN I must say, THERE IS NO YARA IN THE BOOKS, it’s as simple as that. I find it a strange thing to complain about, when they don’t have the same name, a lot of their actions are different and they’ve has different storylines. They are not the same character.
Mihnea,
Its hard!! But I will try lol.
That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Lol.
Just STFU and watch the damn show. We don’t even know the context of that scene.
Rusted,
True, I have to agree with you. It’s honesly an awful lot of talking for 0.5 seconds of footage so I’ll wait for the actual episodes to judge it. That being said I do think it will be a random brothel scene in wich she will kiss a prostitute just because and that will be it.
Deesensfan,
Sad to hear you think complaining about gay stereotyping in the media is dumb, but it’s your opinion and I respect that.
Connor,
The more I watched the trailer the more I think you are right. If they were there to fight Davos why would they let him grab a sword?
Connor,
Deesensfan,
That shot of Ghost standing/ lying protectively over Jon’s corpse had me tearing up just a little bit..
Why didn’t the Dothraki take Dany’s silver dragon necklace?
Manderly’s Assistant Baker,
tbh, this is probably true.
It has been frustrating seeing so much of the ladies being presented as straight in the show – Dany isn’t, it’s implied Marg isn’t, Cersei slept with a woman but it seemed to be more about her reliving her experiences with Robert and being able to put herself in the place of power, Nym isn’t, and Sansa seems awful adoring about almost every single woman she’s come into contact with.
So projecting leads me to hope they are going to do something gross with it, and hopefully they won’t, but it is likely just a fleeting moment that will never be addressed again. Which makes all this arguing rather pointless in the end I suppose.
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
Ah yes, after I analized the 0.5 seconds scene I can honestly say you are right, this is clearly a gay stereotype…..The sarcasm ends here.
On a sad but tangentially related note, the man responsible for GRRM using the “R.R.” just died. Sir George Martin retired nearly 20 years ago from producing music, but his legacy is huge. In particular, he was the one who recognized the unthinkable: 20-something guitar-playing kids from Liverpool were actually very talented musicians.
Martin actually is a really important lesson of how there are many ways to contribute to art. He was an OK musician himself: but he understood music better than did the real musicians (for whom it usually just comes naturally), and as a result he was a really deft “editor” of the Beatles’ and others’ music. He was the guy who would, for example, transcribe and re-arrange an acoustic guitar demo into a string quartet: and make it very much the same tune but sounding like Bach did it!
To you, Ser George! 🙁
Cersei is not bi in the books. Nor are Maergery or Nym from what I can see in the text. Neither is Dany for that matter. Both Dany and Cersei were clearly in love/ attracted to men. Dany had some fumblings with her handmaiden in bed (which was their purpose, historically) and Cersei had a thing with Taena Merryweather once (maybe a few times). That was more a demonstration of her power as a woman/ desire to have a mans power. Not bisexuality. LOL
Robles,
Cold hands is not Benjen
Thomas Sandstone,
SPOILERS BELOW
You’re right. In Ned’s fever dream it was only said that they had White Cloaks. but it also described the Black Bat of House Whent on Ser Oswald Whent’s helm. So it goes to say that just the cloak signified they were Kingsguard and they still wore their House armor. That would get confusing in the show which is probably why they had special armor for the Kingsguard to make them stand out.
It would seem weird though, that Arthur Dane would be wearing Targaryen armor if that was the case. Also that he would be wielding two swords. In the fever dream Arthur Dane was the last one to fall to Ned and Howland, and in the leaked footage of the fight that guy wielding two swords was potentially the last guy to fall. Even with that being said, there’s no guarantee that they would introduce a character that epic or even be able to script out the significance of three of the most legendary Kingsguard being at that location. They may just script it as them being Targaryen soldiers. Something else to point out, that guy isn’t wearing a White Cloak signifying him as Kingsguard.
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
No, I am saying its dumb to think they are doing it for shock value. Why does it have to be for shock value?
Maybe its important to her arc this season. You don’t even know yet.
While I might have to agree about Cersei, and the Marg stuff is definitely just subtext at this point, Dany is definitely bi, you do not sleep(/find physically appealing) with your handmaidens if you’re not(at least two of them, frequently, even after she started sleeping with Daario), and historical evidence points to bi/lesbian women using handmaidens for that purpose if they were to be married to a man.
edit: also lol – they were in love with men, you do know bi women are attracted to men/fall in love with them, as they do women, that’s why they are called bi, not lesbians. Also, Cersei had Merry in her bed every night. But I am unsure if she was actually attracted to her, it seemed to be her way of working out her PTSD about Robert in a really unhealthy way. But that is for GRRM to say. I just doubt that she could be attracted to anyone but Jaime, her sex with other men was meaningless to her too.
Tywin of the Hill,
That’s cold, man!
It has been hinted that Margaery isn’t completely straight in the show too.
I must admit that this was my very first thought after I had seen that shot. She looks very stern and also sad, but regal and in charge somehow.
On another note, I watched that one ToJ scene again where you can see Ned’s face in profile (contour? what’s the right term?) and I think -judging from the chin and his figure- it might actually be Robert Aramayo, not Eddie Eyre. Eddie is much more hunky on the pics we got from Spain…
Also, I find Ramsay’s look when he turns around quite intriguing. I’m sure I’m reading far too much into it, but to me it looks like “What did you just say to me?” “Are you sure you wanna threaten to disinherit me?” 🙂 …or, you know, something similar…
Oh, and I also don’t think the supposed Night’s King in Bran’s Vision is Richard Brake. Brake’s face had very distinguished features that I just don’t find here. For I very much liked Brake, I hope this is indeed a flashback to an earlier King or that the WW are ruled by a horny triumvirate and this is just the fellow that is in charge of WWCity until the conquest is done… 😉
The name was changed because “Osha” and “Asha” are indistinguishable in many people’s ears. It is hard enough to distinguish two words separated only by a single vowel when you hear it from someone who speaks like you do: but because the most obvious difference in most accents is how you pronounce vowels, the two would become absolutely indistinguishable.
As for storylines, they are not different, as Asha/Yara does not have a storyline in either venue: she’s not really a protagonist. Oh, GRRM uses her as a PoV character and sort of attempts to make her one of the protagonists in Crows/Dragons, but it did not really work. The show wisely refrained from adding a bunch of new protagonists in the middle act and left Asha/Yara as an incidental character. That makes her an organic bipedal plot element for the characters with storylines (e.g., Theon).
But in terms of what character development we have, they seem to be the same. Both are cocky and ambitious, and both seem prone to disregard advice, sound or unsound. Of course, that makes two people the “same” at the level that two pies are the same thing at the level of “pie”: but we don’t know the fillings in either case.
Apollo,
Good thing you reminded me.
Cersei fingering Taena wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
Irri doing the same with Dany wasn’t ”pure shock value/fetishizing women” and hell Irri goes too sleep the next second like nothing hapened and Dany never thinks of it again.
Nym sleeping with 2 twins wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
But somewhat Yara kissing a girl is. So the real problem is again what it always is, it’s different then it is in the books.
The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
Robles,
I know the show doesn’t follow the show exactly, but the hooded figure is riding a horse & not an elk like coldhands
Rusted,
Speaking as a woman who is not straight, Daenerys does not come across as a woman who is actually into women. Irri is her serving woman who is obligated to pleasure her. It’s a pretty uncomfortable situation. Dany spends the whole time wishing it were Drogo or Daario when she’s with Irri. Sexuality is not about who you have sex with- it’s about your feelings and attractions.
The jury’s still out on Margaery, we don’t know much about her in the books, truly. Just vague accusations and rumors.
Ned’s fevered dreams also should not be taken as memories of what was: like all dreams, they are mixes of memories, and thus would include many anachronisms and embellishments. (Dreams are your brain optimizing itself, after all.)
I’m leaning towards Edd. The figure seems to have the same hair lenght…
Mihnea,
I actually saw those moments as ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”
Deesensfan,
That’s why I wrote in my next post that I would wait until the season aired to judge it, but analyzing the 0.5 sec we have that is my impression. If it’s actually important for her arc I’ll gladly take it all back.
Mihnea,
My point was that among a lot of bi characters they decide to put on Yara, a strong fighter and ship capitain who is either straight or bi, kissing a woman instead of cersei or dany, who are clearly bi in the books (at least for me). That might or might not be justified and, as you said, that’s a lot of assumptions coming from 0.5 sec of footage (but isn’t that the whole point of this post?) so I’ll wait for the actual episodes to form an opinion.
Rusted,
Thank you for understanding what I meant! I agree with you.
Apollo,
In my view, if you have a same-sex relationship and you enjoy it you are at least bi. But again that’s up to discussion and the books are open to personal interpretation so you might be right, that’s just my two cents.
Mihnea,
Please don’t bring facts into the debate.
Occasionally I think it would be better if GRRM doesn’t release any more ASOIAF books. When people’s delusions are shattered they won’t know who to blame any more. They’ll probably still blame D&D for making George rush.
ghost of winterfell,
:(:(
The Dragon Demands,
If she does and she can’t discuss them publicly then she’s certainly not about to discuss them in a comment thread.
Indeed, despite what the Dayneites want to be true, the evidence suggest that Daeny usually is just very heat resistant. The fact that she survived Drogo’s pyre intact (albeit without hair there, too) was unique: but remember that this unique event also got dragon eggs to hatch. The tacit implication is that some combination of human sacrifice (remember, Myry whatevery is burned alive) and other things induced the magic that got the dragons to hatch and preserved Daeny.
This is the closest thing we have seen to figurative Deus ex Machina in the books. (We have seen literal Deus ex Machina, but as the gods in question were introduced as real things, that’s somewhat different!) The show set it up a lot more by emphasizing how heat resistant Daeny was 3 or 4 times prior to that. But even there, the fact that she comes out with dragons makes it look like a gun hanging of sorts: dragon egg hatching involves powerful and anomalous events. (I write “of sorts” because I doubt that it will ever come up again: this is not preparing us for some plot climax.)
Tywin of the Hill,
As did I.
What I say is that it’s preaty hypocritical too criticize only the show for this, when the books also do it. Preaty often actoully..
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
I am not trying to say that you are a homophobe, but it should be noted that gays can indeed be homophobes (some kind of shame response or self-loathing or whatever), just like my grandma was the most bigoted male (or is it anti-female in this case?) chauvinist you can imagine. She grew up in a different time in a little village so it’s kinda understandable.
Mihnea,
Oh wow!
I didn’t notice!
Is it actually him? Would they show him in the trailer???
HMMM
This is what I was trying to go with. Really hadn’t picked up anything relating to Maergery other than the false accusations though.
Thats Dany standing at the fire not Mel, looks like she got her ring back.
I really hope that’s Mace Tyrell with the gigantic feather on his helm.
Jeb,
Oh no.. I want TWOW too come out (ADOS will never come out). I want too see the meltdown.
AFFC’s meltdown will look like a mild fight compared too what will happen when TWOW comes out.
After years of insults and rant’s I really want too see the general meltdown.
Sue the Fury,
Definitely agree about Marg, while I can see why many so choose to read her that way and tbh I do myself, I would have no right to screech ‘that’s not canon’ if GRRM came out and said she was straight, because there’s nothing concrete either way.
Your description of Dany sums up my feelings on Cersei and Merry. The reason why I didn’t say that about Dany is that I recall Dany thinking contemplating more on it. But I guess you could be right. I’m Bi myself, so it could be projecting.. (it is definitely uncomfortable either way though, and I felt so when reading, I felt like there were too many consent issues and stuff, and pretty grossed out, especially as there’s no evidence her handmaidens are into women in any way at all). (and also GRRM really needs to slow his roll if all these women having sex with women are indeed straight, because it just becomes offensive and comes off as ‘males readers here’s two ladies having sex that you can fantasize about but you don’t have to be grossed out cause they are actually straight’).
You raise a valid point there and you are, of course, right on that. 🙂
I still really don’t think any of them are bi based on what we have read though.
Deesensfan,
There’s still hope!
Mihnea,
You’re obviously just a show apologist. 😉
maester blaster,
I agree with you. I’m sure there will be some sort of recognition that they are the best of the Mad Kings kingsguard. And maybe before the fight they will remove the white cloaks for battle. Or maybe since they know the war is over they are only fighting for the Targ family at that point.
Wait- Nym slept with two twins? I must’ve missed that. I need to re-read.
TBH I did feel that in AFFC some of Cersie’s inner reflections, and her fling with Taena came across as a little cheesy and feared it would be the source of allsorts of accusations if it were on the show…Just like Yaras is likely to be (and already is, seemingly/unfortunately). GRRM managed to pull it off though in the text, only just though.
Here is a better picture of who may be Jon Snow on horseback charging into battle: http://imgur.com/HnR8Kba
Has Mel’s fur coat been discussed anywhere?
It is pretty much the only time we’ve seen her in a fur cloak, or am I confusing myself with the books?
The implications seem big, either that she’s actually cold because she’s had a drain in power, or that she’s feeling insecure in her abilities, ether of which could affect the plot.
(Then there’s the fact that it does somewhat resemble Sansa’s but there’s no way to tell without a clearer look).
I’m unsure if Sansa will get to the wall but either way she found out for a reason, either for her to go there – or for Ramsay to ASSUME she went there.
EDIT; As for those trying to figure out where is is in that shot, I don’t think we will. The WF and Wall interiors are pretty similar, so it’s reasonable to assume that it would be much the same for any Northern interiors.
Apollo,
She sleeps Fowler’s 2 daughters yes.
Wimsey,
Concur! Sir George was truly a self made man who had a natural ear for music and that talent was happily joined to the “British Invasion.”
Thanks for the “R R” explanation, didn’t know that.
Rusted,
I think it’s the same coat she had last season.
I love the zoomed in pic of the hair suspect in the last pic. Good job 🙂
What a team they were! Can you imagine Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt Peppers without him? What an amazing combo of musicianship/recording talent!
RiP George H Martin!
People seem to have a different relationship with Asha/Yara from the books than I do… everyone breathe…
Asha/Yara was willing to seriously mess with her brother when he came to visit. Do we think she was deeply, sexually attracted to Theon? No.
She is all about her relationship with her loyal men and if they were passing around a hooker.. she’d totally want to be “one of the boys”. Maybe it was a dare to mock the leader about her lack of a “sword”. We’ve learned nothing deep or profound to do with her actual orientation at the moment – she’s a wild and crazy gal! And if Littlefinger isn’t in KL, how else will we get our 2.3 brothel-type scenes per season? Duh….
Only death can pay for life right – how about Olly? It fits, he has to die soon because his story arc has come to an end. Jon really did care/love him. He makes the perfect sacrifice.
Stoneboy,
With the resolution of that photo, it might as well be a resurrected Karsi.
God, really? Thanks, I might have to go back and catch that.
As for those trying to figure out where Sansa is in that shot, I don’t think we will. The WF and Wall interiors are pretty similar, so it’s reasonable to assume that it would be much the same for any Northern interiors.
I’ve seen Sophie, Lena and NCW tweeting about the trailer.
Lena and Sophie seem pretty excited about this season, which is a relief esp for Sophie, I began to get worried about her S5 arc when she seemed less enthusiastic in the interviews that came out just before the season started.
I hope we get some big Cersei scenes. And not just cause Lena deserves an Emmy, even though she does, her screen presence is very dominating.
And though I hated a lot of the S5 Sansa stuff, it was great to see her and Alfie play off of each other, the scene where she finds out about Bran and Rickon was ridiculously intense and arguably their best scene all season.
Ohgod, people had to find something to complain, didn’t they? I suppose it has to be a great trailer if the things are Mel’s boobs, Yara’s sexuality, Euron’s eyepatch and Dayne’s sword(s)…
I’m extremely happy about the Dany hand over fire thing. Funky Rh’llor visions, here we hopefully come!
LOL!! This must be very difficult for someone who did not follow the filming spoilery. Hang in there D, not much longer. Fairly soon we will discussing episodes.
There’s an even better one here.
http://s22.postimg.org/w0tgz8jht/Game_of_Thrones_Season_6_Trailer_RED_BAND_HB.jpg
Lets just imagine: that scene with Davos and Jons corpse. Ghost is guarding the corpse. Davos is talking to him, while he takes the sword-and cloak and black paint and a sort of wig, trying to look like Jon still alive, then riding in the big battle to encourage the Wildlings army?
Halfman,
That’s not him.
Just a thought. Since Theon appears to get caught by the Bolton hunting party … couldn’t that be him, burning? A final punishment for killing the lovely girlfriend and helping Sansa escape?
totoybibo,
They did he was on Bolton flaying cross, burning. JK who knows, I hope that isn’t the case.
Just a Guest,
Only thing I say to that is, Theon has been on a Bolton cross before, he was tall enough for it. The body on that cross is not big enough for it. I am afraid the body on the cross is a boy and it is Rickon. Gods I hope not but Seven Hells that is not an adult body.
Mihnea,
To. Not too. Stop writing “Too.”
Just a Guest,
Theon isn’t burning.
Jeff,
Thanks! 🙂
Stargaryen,
It’s not Rickon. Or Sue lied too us..
The hand on the brazier possibly credited as Melissandre’s…whomever is wearing a very distinct ring (note in the photos following of Mel, she wears no jewelry on her hands). It kind of reminds me of Dany’s ring that Ser Jorah recovered from the field.
I’d say not Mel’s hand.
Did anyone ever see the old movie “El Cid?” One critical scene shows the Spaniards strapping their dead hero atop a horse and sending him into the battle.
I must mention that I did not expect Euron to be ritually “drowned” by Aeron. Perhaps it is a “returning home”/reaffirmation ritual for the Greyjoys, consistent when Theon originally returned to Pyke in S2/ACoK. I’m interested in how he is being adapted from his original cocky conqueror nature. And yeah, he does look like Theon!
“Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”
Blanche Holstein,
Cleon
I must mention that I did not expect Euron to be ritually “drowned” by Aeron. Perhaps it is a “returning home”/reaffirmation ritual for the Greyjoys, consistent when Theon originally returned to Pyke in S2/ACoK. I’m interested in how he is being adapted from his original cocky conqueror nature. And yeah, he does look like his nephew, Theon!
“Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”
Benjen Stark or Coldhands, maybe???
I thought the same thing!!! Uncle Benje???
Ewww. Not sure this would work. I would think too much time had passed between the death and the battle.
Newbietothegame,
I cant wait… im dying here! lol!
It looks like the High Sparrow is talking to someone tall and faithful…the _____, perhaps?
Not sure if people already talked about it, but I’m have the impression that the Night’s King can actually see Bran (why else would he be so afraid?), which should be a big deal because I assume in his other visions he can’t be seen by the people in that time period. Or not? 🙂
Connor,
Because Coldhands is an unimportant character only created to provide safe passage for Bran and Co. to the tree. Nothing else, nothing more.
Jeff,
theres a nicer way to say that lol.
I would have liked to see some Doran in there
Bran is probably seeing Night King from 8000 years ago, not the current one. Who said they were immortal ?
And of course it refers to the GRRM’s words, that “the 6th book takes us so far to the North as never before”
Ygritte,
I think Myrcella’s death makes Jaime feel sorry for Cersei and ready for revenge, but she’ll make him angry and disappointed soon enough (maybe he finds out about Lancel) for him to leave her. He must follow Brienne, although I don’t expect anything good there either. And Jaime must be the one who kills Cersei, freeing himself from her.
And Jon… I’m sure will come back eventually. Remember Beric, he didn’t become a monster, although Thoros had resurrected him for many times. He just will be different.
It is considered bad form in the entertainment industry to use your “normal” name if someone well-known already is doing so. Of course, it seems implausible that someone would confuse a fantasy writer with a music producer, but everyone knows that all artists really want to do something in a completely different medium! 🙂 Any way, if your name is, say, George Clooney or Phil Specter and you wanted to publish a book, then even though George Clooney and Phil Specter are not authors, your book company would probably insist that you go by George M. Clooney, G.M. Clooney, P.J. Specter, etc. or something like that just to avoid accusations (and potential lawsuits) that you are luring in people to buy your book thinking that you are someone different. Alternatively, go back in time and make your parents give you a name that nobody else made famous yet….
No, I cannot. But even if Martin has only started producing the Beatles at, say, Sgt. Peppers, it would not have been Sgt. Peppers: they learned so much from him in the early days that it made things like that possible. (For his part, Martin supposedly started to become so envious of the Beatles’s compositional skills during Sgt. Peppers that it left him very depressed and angry for a while: but they might have helped bring him around in part by emphasizing that they could not have done it without him.)
Still, he was in his early 90s and he did a LOT. There will be people who remember him as long as there are people who remember the Beatles: and that will be a while.
Stargaryen,
There are no unimportant characters in ASOIAF … except for Sansa, haha
I think the valonquor (little brother) that Cercei must beware of is Tommen…..
It’s not Jaime or Tyrion who will come for her and eventually kill her, but Tommen, little brother to Joff….
Tormund the one who will burn on that cross.
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
Agree with this. Not sure what the intent is from the short clip, but I fear it might be to keep the “hey dude look, two hot chicks making out!” crowd stay engaged. Yuck.
Doran’s Gouty Foot,
Ive got the impression he’s talking to Jaime…
That is possible. However, it is not uncommon in these sorts of tales to have the start of the “Pensieve Trip” set up so that it appears that the person from the past sees the main character initially. Moreover, I would not say that either the Night’s King or Bran look afraid: the scene is too short to gauge emotion.
At this point, I think that we simply have to allow for a huge number of possibilities, until we get more information that rules out some of them. The fact that Bran is wearing such a odd outfit might mean something: but he seems to have a different outfit in every shot, and it might reflect the when/where, or it might just be some arbitrary thing; again, we do not know the rules as neither book nor show has given them to us yet.
Deesensfan,
My fear initially, but many posters stated that Ghost is standing near the table and predators can be very still before attacking. I simply can’t accept the idea of Ghost dead (no pun intended).
I still wonder about the motivation for Davos. Why is he sympathetic to Mel? Why does he feel the need to protect Jon’s body? There is something there.
Deesensfan,
A unpopular opinion, but I’m really looking forward to Dorne…
Mihnea,
As am I. I was hoping to see Dorne in the trailer.
Shy Lady Dragon,
I wont accept it.
Too many direwolves have died or gone missing.
Ginevra,
Yeah and the hands on jon chest and eyes are man hands, not a woman’s.
Yeah, but she wore two and dropped the other one with the pearls, which you also see in Jorah’s hand during trailer.
http://img.allw.mn/content/vz/iu/awi831jm555ca8fda990a211781860.jpg
I’m thinking Davos takes Jons body and makes everyone (including us) think he burned it. And we don’t find out until later on that Jon is alive.
There’s a higher quality version of the trailer on HBO GO compared to the YT version.
Yes, not too fond of that part of the story, but Doran/Alexander is such eye candy.
Just a Guest,
I mean, what the heck are you saying. There is no indication that he is caught by the Boltons in early episodes only to be flayed for the BoB. Theon and Sansa after the escape and the subsequent hunting by the Bolton soldiers is being saved by Brienne and then Theon departs to the Iron Islands. Where did you get all these connections?
scififantasygirl,
a couple of notes to state, Littlefinger could easily be nearby winterfell. He already agreed w/ Cersei to have the Vale army take out whichever army remains between Bolton and Stannis. He could easily be in the Wolfswoods and Sansa runs into him and his army.
For those who are interested, I uploaded the updated post-trailer version of my speculative summary of season six, on the forums. Take a look 😉
thornofhighgarden,
Yeah, man buns weren’t a thing then and doubt it will be a fashion for the show. He probably was putting his hair up in between takes.
From the glimpse of an anxious Tyrion in a dark tunnel with a torch, i have a feeling that Tyrion will somehow play Quentyn Martell’s role by making the two chained dragons escape and make fire rain on Meereen.
Hopefully someone uploades it. The Youtube version is not only 720p instead of 1080p but also the compression is awful.
The more I look at the Night’s King the more he resembles like Colm Feore.
Davos is a pragmatic man. Stannis accepted that the world was in danger from a mythical enemy, and therefore Davos does as well. Jon was killed in large part because he put the threat of that mythical enemy above the threat of the Wildlings, and Davos will deem this a mistake. Moreover, in their short time together, Davos did seem to develop a liking for Jon.
As for Davos’ sympathy towards Mel, well, Davos can sympathize: Mel is genuinely distraught over Stannis’ death, with which Davos completely sympathizes (particularly if he does not yet know the details of Shireen’s death), and the one thing those two have in common is Stannis.
Again, many, many scenes will take place this year that fills in these gaps, and the interactions between characters will (as always) keep evolving.
Maybe Just a Guest did not read the filming spoilers.
It would make sense to someone completely unsullied.
Chill.
Also, Jame looks like to be the knight on a white horse trying to negociate with the High Septon on the stairs but i wonder who the man with the fancy helmet leading what appears to be Tyrell’s soldiers might be… maybe Garlan Tyrell, who GRR said at somewhere that he would have some importance in the story at some point ?
No Bronn?
D&D are worthless hacks.
Valyrian Lance,
It’s not so much about motivation. It is about Davos as a character as we have followed him form the start of his presence in the show. He follows the leader who seems to fight for a just cause. Stannis is dead and Davos quickly realises how critical the situation is and sees how hard Jon works to save Westeros from an imminent danger. He does the maths and decides to follow the Jon Snow path. In season 5 the show established a good chemistry for the two reinforced by Stannis’ approval of Jon’s leadership skills. So there are no narrative gaps in all this…
Wimsey,
Ty again, never too old for learning fascinating new things!
Genna Lannister’s Camp Stool,
Maybe Garlan coming to rescue his sister ? GRR said Garlan and Wilas will play important parts in the books. Maybe they imported Garlan in the show for the sake of showing some Tyrell’s family concern about Margaery.
Halfman,
What a puzzle! In neither of these pictures can one see Longclaw and Longclaw is
quite sizeable in comparison to what this figure seems to hold. Plus the whole man bun thing…
Nero Martell,
So, it is called tracking. not that difficult, you first follow the same direction the dragon went, easy enough. You come across people look for clues along the way (dragon feces that fell from sky), talk to people to see if they saw a dragon. These guys are smart and can easily find where Drogon finally stopped and ate all of those animals. Once you do that you look around for clues in the settled area that you found. Yes, a small ring is hard to find, but they easily would be in the same vicinity of the ring so not out of the realm of possibility. Her dropping it is a clear sign of danger. They could probably tell there were a lot of horses in that area, which means only one thing, Dothraki. Come on, I know people in these days do not track or even have a clue how to. But for midevil times, easy peasy.
So excited about Davos now. No one can deny he is the best human on the show and that his positive traits haven’t been tarnished by 5 seasons of insanity. Never lies even when it can save his life, never wants the power thrust on him. Never got the Flea-Bottom bowl of brown humility out of his heart and loyalty is literally his only fault. Whether it’s a Nissa reason, some deal with Mel, or in memory of Shireen etc–I’m thrilled he’s a part of such a huge story this year. And Jon is the biggest story–from his origins to his stare down with Night King to coming back from the dead. I don’t think that’s a spoiler lol. If Davos is by Jon’s side I’ll feel better about humanity’s chances in general. (now that I’m saying this I’m terrified he’s going to die lol)
Also–Pretty sure Tyrion is heading for dragons with that torch. Mereen is all alleys and light–except for that place where Dany kept the dragons.
Flaming morning star? Is that you Benjen?! Please say yes because that would be epic.
Only part that bugged me was Jaime. But I’m in love with Season 3 Jaime and feel like he’s seriously regressed since Brienne left KL.
VisceralVarys,
About it possibly being Sansa’s hand on Jon’s body – the left hand looks to have some symbol on it, like a tattoo maybe? I don’t recall Sansa or Melisandre having any such marking, but I agree the hands look feminine. Then again, maybe it’s just dirt.
Carne,
You’re right. I’ve been watching House of Cards season 4 the last few days, so I knew I recognised the look from somewhere.
I think it is fascinating as well. Perhaps Davos helps Mel connect the dots that the “snow” she sees in her fire is right in front of her at CB, waiting for her faithful words. The Davos factor has me quite excited.
*Grabbing Longclaw like a boss*!…sort of. 🙂
Time spent on this kind of speculative thing is time that could be spent on wiki work, which is why I wait for more substantive stuff.
Pause at 1:21, Bran looks horrified!
As for the clothes, I’m pretty sure, it is the very same outfit that he wears in the promo picture where he is in Winterfell with Bloodraven. It seems to be his “vision outfit” for Season 6. Also, if he does not feel the temperature of the surrounding in the visions (speculation, of course), his furry “riding outfit” would indicate that he is actually outside the cave and not in a vision.
I know, I know, if only we had another picture from another vision… Oh well, the 24th can’t be here soon enough (I doubt we’ll get anything else before that…)
Be wary Luka you woke the Dragon! LOL!
spacechampion,
That made me laugh out loud…at work…in a quiet office. Thanks! 🙂
Stargaryen,
I knew from the moment she dropped the ring that this would be a heavily debated subject. That said, I thought Minhea’s idea was pretty good. If they look for clues in the area where she got captured, they could see the reflections of the metal from a distance (although the sky looks a bit cloudy in that shot). However it turns out, I never questioned Aragorns tracking skills and won’t question Joraarios either 🙂
I really can’t see HBO releasing ANY shot that would give anything away that they didn’t want to give away. I would imagine D&D scrutinizing EVERY shot in that trailer.
Valyrian Lance,
Totally agree..
Ice Spider,
Yeah, it makes me think it is not him. Though there is a resemblance.
fasads,
Fine, finding the ring is unfathomable. But as I broke down. Jorah and Daario will clearly be able to head in the direction that Drogon and Dany left the city. Not HARD. Come across people who saw the dragon to confirm going in the right direction or clues of the direction he went, Not HARD. Coming across Drogon’s giant buffet when he and Dany stopped, NOT HARD. Noticing that the ground is trampled due to thousands of animal hooves and your in the grassland it is easy to figure, Dothraki. Not HARD since there are no other armies or herds that large. So the smart decision is to follow the Dothraki tracks. tracking was a thing back then. So yes finding the actual ring, sure cheesy, but def. believable that they found Drogon’s little area where he stopped and would survey the area. Pull your head out of your ass.
Hodors Bastard,
It could be also that Davos uses Mel to get the “job” done while his intentions are not very clear. I am not so sure that his feeling have changed towards her to the extent to show compassion for her as a person and I get the impression that Mel is not very safe this season. Maybe the whole situation makes him realise that he also has to play the game and use some politics in order to achieve results. Always of course from the general good’s perspective. The Mel-Davos game this season will be very interesting and not given…
These discussions devolve so quickly! Finding the ring is not preposterous. It would absolutely happen the way it was set up. The horses created a huge pattern with an untouched patch of grass at its center. Could you not find a ring in a circle of grass at a few feet’s diameter? Dany must have thought it was a long shot dropping that ring, until the Dothraki made that nice pattern. I can imagine her thinking, hey, this ring thing might actually work!
…Rhaegar had silver hair.
When Cersei said “I choose violence,” I’m pretty sure my vasectomy spontaneously reversed.
Luka Nieto,
Excellent work Luka. Let’s hope it’s all that and more, because that sounds like an incredible season to me. Some people enjoy reading this type of speculation a lot more than bizarre rants on “independent” wikis.
I wish people would read the goddamn comments before posting. Yes it’s a pain in the ass when there are so many, but there wouldn’t be so many if the same thing wasn’t pointed out or asked 50 times because no one bothers.
*rant and one more unnecessary post over*
People really don’t know what to gripe about. The ring? Anyone would have found it with the trail of big breadcrumbs that pointed to it, don’t even have to be skilled at tracking. Can’t get them bigger than an army on horseback riding in circles. From that point on, finding Dany will be even easier. Analogous situation to the one in LOTR with Aragorn and co searching for Merry and Pippin.
Connor,
I think the same thing as well. I thought he was going to go ham until I noticed ghost was lying on Jon’s body and not trying to rip nuts off.
You can almost feel that Lancel will be the one who will reveal what Cersei did with him to Jaime and he’ll turn against her … Also i think Davos is with Jon loyalists in that room and he prepares to take on Thorne and co.
With the Tower of Joy clip, some people are saying that the Kingsguard armor looks different because it was back when the Targaryens ruled. And also, in the very last clip, Ghost is lying at Jon’s head…did they kill him too? Or is he just sad because his best buddy is gone?
Bufferzone,
I will do just that!
I’m so glad to hear someone else thought this same thing. I do love George and D&D, but I have real issues with how they handle female sexuality. I wanted to label this picture as WhyDandDAreNotFeminists, since a poster recently complained that they were feminists, but I refrained. Until now.
People complained when she dropped the ring in season 5 episode 10 because it was thought to be dumb/cheesy/unrealistic if the guys actually found it in such a large open outdoor space.
And now, they found it, and people are complaining.
This is unrealistic? But dragons are real?
LOL
Luka Nieto,
Thanks, Luka. I enjoyed the read. That is a season I would like to see!
As for the ‘they would scrutnize every shot’.
They didn’t want anyone to find out about Sansa in the North last season last year either, but they gave away her standing in the crypts, something that marketing thought viewers would miss, but they guessed correctly. If they gave away something accidently about a character that was the main focus of the shot, I would assume that they could easily give away something about a character that was in the background of a shot.
Plus, there’s the fact that D&D have nothing to do with marketing. Cogman didn’t even know when the trailer would even be released, let alone what was in it (and arguably, he’s the one most involved with the show after D&D).
Edit: There’s no way D&D are not way too busy finishing up the season and making sure there’s no faults. Plus, they’d likely be working on the scripts for next season too.
Deesensfan,
They find it because hundreds of horses circle around it. X marks the fucking spot. Don’t need to be Aragorn to find that clue.
Not sure if it was posted yet, but this trailer is specifically being called out as “Trailer #1″… so hopefully more to come
plop_plop,
Perhaps 1 more at the start of April. I suppose that one could show some more of the elements missing in this one e.g. Sam, Dorne. Dany and Tyrion weren’t in this one much either, so it could focus more on them for example. This trailer was KL, II, The North and The Wall, with snippets from other storylines.
Ginevra,
In total agreement–I could write a thesis on that. (I won’t, but I could)
But looking from a cable show standpoint it’s clear why they put it in. This is not a big nudity season. Most of the brothels are gone and no romantic couples in sight (not even crazy natural born Bolton couples). There are battles and flashbacks and winter is coming and several losses and painful stories are coming to a head. It’s clear that is some kind of celebration for Ironborn and they decided to stick some girl kissing in there for good measure. It’s so quick that it’s possible Yara just rolls with it cause she’s a boss and a sea captain and she can hang with her men. It’s just visual stimulation for the masses. Same reason I’m sure Dothraki scenes will have a lot of nudity and a sand snake will probably strip. For the night is dark and filled with bloody wars and people covered head to toe in furs. 🙂
Anyone note that the Night’s King’s sword is of a golden color?
The Bran teaser from December has 20 million views. The trailer already has over 8 million in less than 24 hours!
Much excitement! I am so happy this website exists.
Would like to add:
What are the chances JS is resting there inside Ghost?
Didn’t we assume Brienne beheaded Stannis based on her words and the type of swing she was making? If so, Stannis can’t be the burning man unless they sewed his head back on.
Sansa is in a place with recognizeable chandeliers and blue cast atmosphere. I think she’s doubled back to Winterfell (usually a blue cast atmosphere) or is at the Eyrie (a golden cast atmosphere but blue in the throne room). Winterfell would make sense if she calculated that the Boltons would have gone in search for her. Otherwise she may be found by Brienne or Littlefinger and taken to either place after battles.
Dany is looking up at the skies and no one else is. Is she calling Drogon in her mind? This situation reminds me of her distressed state on the balcony of the pyramid when Drogon showed up behind her; also in her distress in the fighting pit. Drogon has had time to heal and may be coming for her.
If we think the dragon shown in the trailer isn’t Drogon, then perhaps the pics of Tyrion and torch show us he makes his way to the crypts to release Drogon’s siblings?
Jack Bauer 24,
I was going to say that!
Rygar,
Agreed
You guys, that is NOT Davos saying “He’s gone” at the beginning of the trailer. It’s Rory McCann.
Yeah it looks pretty cool. When do you think we’ll finally see the NK actually fight? We haven’t seen him in battle yet.
Who gives a fook? The song sucks anyway. They should just stick with scored music instead of crappy cover songs.
No Tully’s either(Blackfish,Edmure), Frey’s, Rickon, Osha, Shaggydog…
Davos is going to be devastated by the news of Shireen and Stannis. It will take something major to get him to care about Jon’s death, regardless of how Stannis felt about him. There is nothing holding Davos at Castle Black anymore unless Mel convinces him that Jon is the one after all and she needs his help.
As for the sacrifice to bring back Azor Ahai, it doesn’t HAVE to happen exactly as it did before. Mel sacrificing herself to R’hllor may be enough this time, or maybe it has to happen that way because for all intents and purposes, Azor Ahai (if it IS Jon), is currently dead, and standard rules don’t apply. Or maybe no sacrifice is needed after all because R’hllor decides there’s no time to fool with that.
Have there been filming sightings of Mel with an alive Jon? I can’t remember. If so, then I can’t see Mel trying to seduce any of the crows. It’s Jon she’s seducing, and she might be scared shitless cause he’s Azor Ahai by then?
Yes. I’m sure you are very busy with reverting the edits others made and writing long subjective articles about everything you were annoyed by.
Jack Bauer 24,
I doubt they’d show Rickon and Osha. Tullys are a possibility, but they aren’t going to be in that much of Season 6 anyway. They will recycle some of this trailer, so it’s not like they have unlimited time to include everyone.
It’s weird, on this day last year we received the second trailer.
Ginevra,
Yes, especially when if you critique something like this, you’re usually hounded on for being a book purist, even if it’s something you criticized GRRM for.
There is the fact that they’ve also had Yara, Arya and Brienne ‘the warrior types’, complain about femininity, or use women as an insulting comparison etc.
When the books at least have Asha laugh at the idea that cunt is something she’s suppose to find demeaning, Arya insists that she’s a girl and Brienne seems to value other women. So having one of the so called ‘boyish ladies’ be the one to kiss another woman is an extension of that. And in the books pretty much every romantic lady chapter was downright uncomfortable and at times even mortifying. So neither is innocent, and it’s naive of people to think them so.
As for them being feminists, I do find it interesting that there’s quite a few big book women missing from the show, some minor male characters have managed to work their way in. And the one’s brought back as well – Jon (obviously no-one’s disputing that), but the Hound and the Mountain made it back and Cat didn’t?
And there’s a female presence added in the show when something bad is happening to another woman – the waif is the one that is most antagonistic to Arya, the SHAME woman, Myranda helping Ramsay, Ellaria going after Myrcella.
Then there’s the rape which gradually adds up, and spending minutes on sex scenes that don’t really add to the story while the camera focuses on the women.
I think women are more likely (but not always) the ones to notice how all these things build up, I’m not saying they are women hating sexists – more that they simply haven’t taken a minute to reflect on their portrayal of women. This is usually where a female presence comes in handy.
However if women complain about this stuff, we get accused of being against nudity (I’m not btw), thinking that no rape should ever be done in fiction, I’m not, it can be done very well. But GRRM and D&D have clearly not done their research on rape (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects), or rape in medieval times (frequency, age of victims, status of victims, abusers) people seem to have come to the conclusion that all women were raped back then, and that girls were married off as children and it’s just plain wrong, like I get that GRRM has only researched the big usually popular historical events, and I’ve enjoyed the parallels of those events but if you are going to go back to rape (an issue that is still so serious today) so often at least have your facts right.
This is also an issue that I take with fandom over historical women, fandom seems to think women had no power “back then”, which is also just plain wrong. Ironically scholars have said that this misconception seems to have come from the media, and is now self-perpetuating.
Mwahahah! I was like, is the Dragon Luka’s mama? Oh, Luka. You are in such big trouble when you get home.
The official YT channel lists it as the “GoT Season 6 Trailer”. Sounds like this will be it.
The Night’s King that Bran sees has a less developed ice crown than the Night’s King that JS confronts. Mayhaps Bran sees a younger version or a different Night’s King.
My ‘show spoilers’ button isn’t working, fyi.
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
Pretty much a no win situation with the extreme social justic warriors of the Internet. I like how you can look at something; not bother asking questions or doing research and just come to these incredibly cynical conclusions all by yourselves. You must be so proud, you’re acting like liberal versions of ol’ Joe McCarthy.
Weirwood Nut,
The NK is also wearing sleeves in this trailer whereas the one we see at HH is not wearing sleeves.
The armor looks bulkier in this trailer.
ha ha thanks for that, made me laugh!
That promotional event next week is definitely for the Season 5 Blu ray/DVD release.
#GoTSeason5 is available on DVD & Blu-ray 3/15. To celebrate, Dragons will fly.
Stay tuned. More details to come. #GOT5DVD
https://twitter.com/GameOfThrones/status/707623922750136320
Is it just me, or are those dragons circling Kings Landing in the opening scenes?
I read that as internalized misogyny on Brienne’s part. So maybe the writers wanted to make a point about that.
Melisandre’s state of existential crisis leads me to think she has come to her own end as final sacrifice to resurrect JS, without knowing for certain her magic will work.
Davos examines a pyre on a cliff. Shireen’s pyre is not on a cliff. I think Davos has burned Melisandre’s corpse and he’s making certain she is gone for good.
If he is examining Shireen’s pyre, because who knows, he’ll find the little ship model he made for her nearby (because Dany’s ring). All the feels.
I’m confused by Theon. When he crosses the river with Sansa, he has shaggy hair & a beard, but when he appears before the hounds, he’s had a shave & a haircut.
How many men are getting themselves naked in the trailer? I count two women, zero men.
How many men are kissing other men in the trailer? I count two women, zero men.
In the entire TV series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.
In the entire book series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.
In the entire TV series, how many naked men do we see compared to the number of naked women? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.
That said, I don’t think all of this makes George or D&D bad or evil or anything very different from many of their male peers. I do think that it makes them not feminists. Very few men are.
Please. Not this feminism argument all over again, let it go- you don’t know what her arc will be in S6. Jeez.
Those aren’t Winterfells chandeliers, I checked earlier. Those in the shot are cast iron with one tier of candles, Winterfells are made of wooden frames consisting of two tiers of candles. It is known.
Apollo,
I agree. I am a woman. Knock it off.
I absoulutely see where you are coming from, but if they were going to make a point – shouldn’t they actually made one, and it’s never been touched on again.
It’s a tropey trap that male writers seem to fall into, that if women do things that are stereotypically manly, ergo they must hate women. They’ve done it with a FEW of the ladies now, and never pointed it out. And book Brienne was so admiring of the strength of women, esp Cat – it was a refreshing change. I actaully would love to see them do something like that, but they never have.
I do think it’s important to point out that as a whole, the context isn’t great. People often think women are complaining about nothing when they point this stuff out, but the thing is – I wouldn’t mind most of this stuff in separate contained instances (and would likely brush off anyone who did for being a bit too harsh about a simple line), some of them I would even really LOVE to have (e.g. like you said a woman dealing with her internal misogyny, which I feel GRRM MIGHT have been trying to do with Cersei, but idk).
I think that overall the way I feel about women in general in GoT, could drastically change if they pull their socks up and just take a second to think about why for some people Sansa’s rape was the straw that broke the (almost broken) camel’s back. I really didn’t want to mention that rape in particular because it tends to derail the conversation but the reason why I do, is because I’m hoping the outcry might have given the writers a second to go ‘wait a minute.. let’s be a bit more conscious on how our treatment of women is coming off’. I had hoped the J/C anger would do it, but alas the Sansa scene (which while I had problems with that whole thing, that rape was the one that was directed was the one that was handled the best) was followed up with the Gilly scene (followed up by her sleeping with Sam ack!).
So if the next three seasons are a bit more conscious on that front I think that it will drastically affect my feelings on the series as a whole.
My mind, omg I can’t stop it, help me!
What if
Melisandre resurrects JS and JS omg plunges his valerian steel sword into Mel: Azor Ahai! [\spoiler].
O.M.G.
Shy Lady Dragon,
And maybe it won’t be a change like one from Stephen King’s Pet Semetary as much as Jon changing how he sees things or what he believes in/to be right. Anything can happen at this point.
EwokThisWay,
I was more commenting on how ridiculous it looks, so it would be vintage Mace. Some more threatening Tyrells are definitely needed, Olenna is intimidating but i don’t think she’ll win many sword fights
Are you actually sitting counting instances of nudity/sex? Come on!
For one thing… Nobody in that trailer is getting naked (get it right), one is semi naked.
And there have been plenty of instances of male nudity. Maybe not as many as females but Jesus, we’ve had scenes in brothels, rapes at Crasters keep etc that require (guess what) sex and (guess what) nudity- both male and female. People got naked back then and they got raped. A lot.
And another matter- the proportion of same sex couples today is WAY less than heterosexuals couples and astronomically less so in medieval times so you cannot possibly even use that as an argument- of course you’ll see less of this from statistical point of view.
Question- did you complain when you saw Loras and Ollie banging? Did you complain when Dany demanded Daario strip off for her, portraying him as nothing more than on object for her satisfaction? Did you complain when Theon was castrated? Some how I don’t believe you did.
Am having probs with ‘spoiler’ bracket not showing up at beginning of spoiler, gdi. Very sorry everyone. No edit button to be seen.
Jack Bauer 24,
This is the video title on HBO’s website… “Season 6: Trailer #1 (1:41)”
Apollo,
HER?
I take it you think this is about Sansa again. When it clearly is not, it’s about small instances of women in the show in general and how it adds up. If you had actually bothered to read the comments you are complaining about you would know.
Ginevra,
Get over yourself. You have no right to call them feminists OR anti-feminists. Fucking disgusts me.
If you want to see the so-called uneven playing field more even, go write a male orgy or whatever the hell would satisfy you. If it’s well written, I will read/watch it. Enough said.
Maybe he found two bits? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)
LordDavos,
…agreed.
I knew someone would try to dismiss the talk of how women are treated in the show as either – you hate nudity! you are just a book purist! you’re calling them anti-feminists! this is about Sansa again!
Nope.nope and nope.
It’s about how treatment of women in the show adds up. I like nudity, but it’s uncomfortable when it’s weighted so heavily one way (do men not need to get naked to have sex or something?), I respect shows that do their research about rape (esp because there are so many misconceptions, that are most heavily distributed by media in particular) but unfortunately GoT hasn’t.
All the people I’ve seen in this thread talking about it haven’t said D&D hate women, just that 1 – they are misinformed, 2 – they haven’t reflected on the way they have presented women and 3 – that they don’t hate women but can’t be deemed feminists.
I tried to address all of these points beforehand, in the hopes that people would actually take that into account before deriding.
Is there any chance that it could be Bloodraven saying “He’s gone” at the very start? I don’t know the voices well enough, but if I recall, there was a similar scene in the books where Bran wanted to try to warn his father about something and BR had to make the point that he couldn’t do that because Ned was dead. It would fit in thematically with the previous Bran teaser.
This is minor and the result of too much obsessive rewatching, but doesn’t Longclaw have garnets for eyes? As Davos grabs it in that final scene, it looks like it has blue-ish eyes – which I hope is not a foreshadowing of an ultimate blue-eyed fate for Jon.
MVC,
No one can!
Huh?? I never mentioned Sansa other than in relation to chandeliers!
I’m referring to Yara’s arc… you know, the one that everyone is getting their knickers/ boxers/ briefs in a twist over. Who may actually be gay and who may want to do something about by (OMFG) , getting it on with another woman! For nothing…because (as I said quite clearly) nobody knows what her (Yara’s) arc is next season. Its you who needs to read the comments!
Actually… correct me if I’m wrong, but among named characters? I’d say there had been more men/men. Loras and Renly, Loras and Olyvar and Oberyn and Olyvar. For the ladies? Only Dany trying out some stuff for Drogo in Season 1, no?
I could be totally misremembering, but that’s how I remember it.
Also, honestly, Yara is an auxiliary character in a secondary plot (Theon’s). Why do people care so much?
Harrenhal Creep,
That’s exactly what my first thought was.
Ginevra,
So, feminist writers would have written a series – based on medieval times – that depicts a feminist(perfectly equal) social landscape?
So if Gregor is about to destroy Lancel and the Faith Militant, who will fight him in Cersei’s trial by combat?
I should add that I read that many years ago when (somewhat ironically) the question came up of whether GRRM used the “RR” in the middle to remind people of JRR Tolkien. That was viewed as potentially crass. It then was pointed out that there was another George Martin who was pretty well-known: the Beatles’ producer. And even though it might seem like a stretch that a fantasy writer would try to fool people into thinking he was a music producer, but weirder things have happened.
The upshot? If George RR Martin makes you think of JRR Tolkien and Hobbits, then it was to avoid making you think of George Martin and Beatles.
El-Bobby,
I concur! My thoughts as well immediately as I heard the line. People were saying maybe he’s talking to Missandei or Greyworm, but that doesn’t make sense to me. And it doesn’t make sense to Varys either.
Only other option imo is if he’s speaking to the new red witch
Selina,
Whilst Weirwood and chilling Bran watches the TOJ flashback, he then informs Meera she has to go back to Greywatch and get Howland to send Ravens to all the Lords declaring Jons true identity.
So I’ll ask you the same question as I asked Ginevra:
Did you complain when you saw Loras and Ollie banging?
Did you complain when Dany demanded Daario strip off for her, portraying him as nothing more than on object for her satisfaction?
Did you complain when Theon was castrated?
I think I know what the answer will be.
Apollo,
But the only one that dismissed the Yara thing outright said that she might be wrong, and was going off the context that female sexualitly in GoT has been so far. So I don’t know why you’d argue with that.
And Ginerva (like I) was speaking more of women’s treatment on the show in general, and how a lot of these small things would be nothing to complain about on their own but that add up quite quickly when put in context in the show as a whole. No-one was still arguing about Yara (the reason why I assumed it was Sansa you were complaining about is because you were also discussing rape on the show – and that seems to be the one everyone argues about) sorry for assuming regardless.
The CGI at Vaes Dothrak looked good. The Dothraki crowd had to have some CGI going on.
Hoping Yara becomes iron born Oberyn. Would make that storyline interesting.
How should a feminist director approach a decidedly non-feminist world and canon? And one so devoted to the grinding arbitrary unfairness and cruelty of its society? If D&D were feminist, would they have to turn in their card for not taking a red sharpie to the rules of GRRM’s world!
Yaga,
EXACTLY! I totally forgot about Olyvar and Oberyn (and Obara for that matter). Because its really not important.
Rusted,
…”adds up” to what?
D&D is misinformed about what? About rape? About women? How, specifically, are they misinformed?
Hey, in that last scene, with Davos, the man standing to his right – doesn’t that look a lot like Benjen? Also, the scene after Mel strips, the hand on Jon’s face, seems to be someone in leather (not Mel, not Davos). Maybe I’m digging at straws.
Kargaryen,
NICE JOB!
fierce as a wolverine,
I think it’s The Hound, honestly. Now I can’t hear anyone else when I listen to it!
And if you’re privy to the Gravedigger, you should know that the line – “He’s gone.” – is quite pertinent and applicable to that theory.
Rusted,
Women are treated badly on the show? Do you mean women actors?
What?!?! Don’t you know that it is “naive” to think that B&W do not have input on and even control of everything?!?!?
😀
Seriously, a big reason why we cannot put too much stock in trailers is that the people who put them together are very good at sequencing enticing looking shots and dialog. Sure, they usually know the story: but they know it at the level of “this season is about killing off your inner child and becoming the Man/Woman.” The producers role is limited to providing them with a lot of material to use: which means that they, of course, do not include the equivalent of Gollum falling into Mt. Doom with the Ring or something like that. (We often get material in trailers that winds up cut from the final films, too.)
That is why, for example, I noted that Melisandre uncloaking right before showing Jon could well be an unintentional foreshadowing of her figurative uncloaking when she plays the vessel of R’hllor for Jon: it’s possible that the people who made this do not know that specific detail. (The obviously know that Jon being dead needs stressing and we have blurry evidence that they know that Jon is going to come riding back into things with a vengance, with Elvis seeming to be riding next to him….)
The Red Wedding Planner,
Hey, somebody’s got to tell the rest of the world what Bran learns about Jon’s parentage.
Anyway….. I don’t wanna get into negativity when I’m so delighted by this amazing trailer.
What I love is that there are still a few surprises in there that Sue and the team haven’t revealed. Which is great because although I’ve loved getting all these titbits (and huge spoilers) on what’s to come, part of me was worried there’ll be few shocks or surprises for us to enjoy in S6. But look what they’ve given us (and much more to come in April/May)!
For example Meera’s saviour at 1:06 that we’ve mentioned. My money is on Benjen as there is no casting for Coldhands that we know of…maybe they ‘ll combine elements of the two (I know they are not related in the books).
Or, at the very least, mixing up metaphors! 😎
My quick thoughts (without reading the other comments yet)…
1. I LOVE THIS. So good!! Bran and The Night’s King OMFG.
2. I fear for Theon. Hopefully Brienne saves the day.
3. The ringed hand near the flame might be the new Red Priestess there was talk of.
4. Tormund better not be flayed! I think the flayed hotdog might be Stannis but who knows… still better not be Tormund.
5. The Lancel Boy Band member to the right is totally pulling Blue Steel.
In my mind I’m trying to be like “ok maybe D&D are just trying to be inclusive and this will be a beautiful touching relationship” but historically giving them the benefit of the doubt has led to disappointment. Especially because they have definitely made Brienne and Arya more manly/violent and de-emphasized their emotional development. So it’s probably an effort to make Yara more of a bro. Ugh.
I doubt it.
I didn’t complain about Loras and Renly sleeping together because a gay sex scene is not exactly frequent. However I DID complain that they made Loras’ character entirely about him being gay, and a stereotypical one at that (which even that actor has noted ffs).
I disliked the Daario/Dany scene because she has power over him and the dynamics in her telling him to strip off were a little weird.
And I absolutley complained about Theon’s castration – for several reasons.
1 – the weird sex thing before hand was bad, he could not give consent, the whole thing was gross.
2 – if they decided that they HAD to do it, it could have been subtler.
3 – I hated that they got a ot of drama and jokes out of it but didn’t really show the affects of it on Theon (if you’re going to do something like that, do your research and damn well do it properly).
4 – it wasn’t realistic at all, he definitely would have died.
These are some of the same issues I have with the treatment of women.
I like nudity, but i does not have to be weighted so heavily one way (THAT is when it begins to become uncomfortable), both people need a certain amount of clothes off, and it has not been that way so far. The camera usually focuses on naked men and women differently.
There’s been a lot of straight women kissing – not realistic.
Historically there would be a lot more same-sex relationships and a lot more racial diveristy.
Medieval girls WERE NOT married off as children and GRRM and D&D like to hide behind historical accuracy when it is blatantly false (as I pointed out above), if they are going to do a lot of rape, they should do their research (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects) and on medieval rape (victims, abusers, status and age of victims etc).
Fandom has also stood behind ‘women did not have a lot of power in those times’ which is false, and ‘same-sex relations were rare’ which again is false.
Ironically scholars have said that misconceptions about things like this have primarily come from media – which is why it is so important that they get their facts right.
They seem to have done enough research on death and violence, why did not they not do enough on these aspects?
I don’t believe that is Jon in the blurry shot of a long haired guy in the battle. James Hibberd pretty much says so, and he has very close access to the show. Plus,
That is the Kingsguard armor that Arthur Dayne is wearing, not just Targaryen guardsman, IMO. In the filming spoilers, there was at least 1 other Kingsguard that was present and wearing the same armor. I believe the fact that they are kingsguard is an important part of the scene.
Here’s my speculation on what might happen with Jon, Davos, etc.:
Jon wargs into Ghost as he is bleeding out. Then either (1) assuming Ghost was locked up, Ghost/Jon causes a tremendous commotion which alerts Davos, Edd, Mel, etc., or (2) Ghost was not locked up and he goes to Davos’ or Edd’s room and alerts them. Either way, Ghost/Jon leads them to the body which they notice has the warging eyes. Mel recognizes what has happened and informs Davos, etc.. They whisk the body away to a secure room along with Ghost and stand guard over it while Mel figures out what to do. Meanwhile, Thorne and company find out and attempt to get into the room.
Let me save Wimsey some cutting and pasting – gun has not been hung, can’t warg back after dying, would be bad storytelling.
Anon,
Funny when people think they know what goes on behind closed doors and in peoples heads and that they are misinformed about something.
People, for some reason, cannot separate fiction from reality. Yes, the topics discussed are real world problems. But why does a fictional fantasy show need to be overanalyzed about how these real world problems are portrayed or handled. Separate the two. I watch game of thrones and I come here as a hobby and fun thing to do, because it is not the real world. And I am saying this as a woman, who originates from a country where women are still somewhat oppressed in parts of it. I know how to separate reality and fiction.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
They’d want to burn any body to keep it from rising as a wight.
Anon,
I’ve pointed this out in a few of my comments in this thread quite recently too.
They have many misconceptions of what women were like in medieval times, what rape was like in those times, how much power women had in those times and rape in general.
Aryamad,
I thought that Brienne would have beheaded stannis the way she struck her sword
Wimsey,
That made me laugh. XD
Oh yeah and of course I’m so excited about the whole Jon/Davos/Mel stuff (wow, that’s a really weird devil’s threeway).
And I’m pumped for Tyrion possibly releasing the dragons.
Uhg, how many more days? 46? That’s too long
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/20/AR2010072002941.html
The human capacity for tracking and navigation is tremendous, but not something that’s easy to teach. Folks who are good at it have built that intuition throughout their lives, and people who didn’t grow up around it aren’t going to understand half of it because it entails seeing the entire world through a specific lens.
Point is that, yes, it’s quite plausible for Joraragorn to find a bauble in the middle of nowhere, and if you’re skeptical you’re just going to have to accept that some skills are so intuitive that they can’t be explained.
Brendon,
But is it really Tyrion who is speaking ? Not Littlefinger ?
Where do people see Meera? I don’t see her.
How long did you live in Texas?
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Seriously, though: most of the highly acclaimed programs and books do wrestle with pressing social issues. One of the reasons why Epic Fantasy is held in such low regard is because it too often looks to be (and too often is) just escapist fun. One reason why SciFi is held in so much higher regard is because so much SciFi actively grapples with analogs of modern issues, and even extensions of them.
To that end, a big reason why Thrones is defying the norms and getting such rave reviews is because it does show how awful it was for women in something like a medieval European society. (And, no: women basically had almost no rights: they were property of fathers or brothers, and then of husbands, and held in thrall by a religion that equated any independence by women with sin.) You should NOT want to live in Westeros: and if the show made you want to do so, then it would have gone as disastrously wrong as the Shanara series….
It’s not hypocrisy. It’s different creators, different gaze, different handling of the situation. GRRM generally comes across as exploring the psychology of the interaction while D&D generally come across as making sure the 18-45yo male viewer demographic isn’t tempted to change the channel.
Phil,
I would love to see Mel go down like that but we see her later in the season, right?
I shoot to induce either laughter or anger. When I’m really good, I manage both.
She’s in still 5, right next to LSH and YG.
Deesensfan,
Good point. It definitely looks like they’re on display for taunting purposes though. It’s someone the Bolton’s want to show off to provoke a response for sure. Then again it could be just a random dude… the first of many Stannis soldiers strung up.
Oh, I just realized I meant the left Lancel Boy Band member in my previous post. Derp.
Weirwood Nut,
Are you sure? Did you count each and every straw of his hair or whatever that is he has on his head?
Jojen could do this during Bran’s dreams, why cannot Bran do it ? Or whisper through the weirwood trees. Or even send the raven-sms himselves, since there are a lot of them there and he can warg into one. Or he can warg into someone to write the massage with their own hands, a lot of possibilities, not just running into White Walkers or send Meera out to die
Wimsey,
Hahaha! I live in Canada, but I am from Lebanon.
No, I agree with you.
It’s still fiction though. Over the top fiction. If its too much for people to handle, they should watch the Shanara series lol
Great – then you can acknowledge that its not one-sided at all. Men get the flack as do women on the show.
Actually he’s not portrayed as a stereotypical gay man at all. And I am somewhat of an expert on the matter.
Historically there would be a lot more same-sex relationships and a lot more racial diveristy.
Really? Where?
Medieval girls WERE NOT married off as children
Yes they were- from the age of 12 onwards. It even still goes on today in some countries if you look at the news.
if they are going to do a lot of rape, they should do their research (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects) and on medieval rape (victims, abusers, status and age of victims etc).
Well I think it’s just as important that they produce a damn fine entertainment show…not a 100% historically accurate documentary accounting the sociological and psychological implications of all these pretty nasty acts. And guess what-they have.
Aryamad,
Hmmm. I wonder who.
Wimsey,
Still 5 is Cersei?
And who is LSH and YG hahaha
Wimsey,
For the show, they would not confuse viewers with multiple night Kings’ actors. But it might definitely be a flash back to an earlier long night. Who says the night king can not be that old (in the tv show anyway)
Thats not Mel standing next to the fire, its Dany. Shes wearing the same ring that jorah finds on the ground in the above pic
I don’t particularly want to talk about this but any time anyone points out that the show is not great in general when it comes to women, people like to argue to the death about it.
I love the books and the show! If I didn’t I wouldn’t criticize it! There are a lot of amazing interesting women! I enjoy them very much!
However (I’ve just seen a comment dismissing my hope for realistic treatment of women as silly because it’s a fantasy world) the only reason I bring up the inaccuracies in the FIRST place, is because whenever GRRM, OR D&D are criticized because of the way the show treats women – their defense is ALWAYS we aren’t sexist, we do those things because ‘medieval times’ or ‘historically’.
Therefore it can be deduced that they only put rape etc in because they think it’s historically accurate/realistic. But they’ve based these off of common misconceptions, and it doesn’t take a lot of research to figure it out.
I really really love the historical event parallels, they are fascinating. And GRRM has said that he loves the popular historical events, but doesn’t seem to know much outside of that (a point I could argue, he’s got a lot of the food/garments right but alas).
And just because a woman finds a fault in the overall way that women are represented does not mean that they do not complain about things like gay stereotyping, and what happened to Theon.
As I’ve said a few times now, that if they start to be a bit more conscious as a team about the representation of women in the next few seasons – I think that would drastically affect my feelings on women in the series as a whole.
3 out of 3! It’d give you stars, but I don’t know the emoticon command for that.
To this scenario, we can add: it’s not necessary. After all, real dogs do similar things, so why wouldn’t Ghost do that for Jon? (Of course, if something like this does happen, then I suppose that many book-readers will insist that Jon must have warged into Ghost to get it done, even though Bran could not even get Summer to hunt for him when he was warging!)
That written, your general scenario is quite plausible: Ghost might very well lead Edd or Davos to Jon’s body, much the way dogs have been known to lead people to hurt owners. But this is another case where I think that readers inserting their imaginations is leading them to conclusions about how the audience will react that are incorrect. People will not wonder: “how did the Dire Wolf do that?!?!?” He’s a frickin’ big dog, that’s how: Jon’s stench and his blood would be painfully obvious to Ghost from far, far away. (We primates have horrible senses of smell: but your dog or cat will know which socks are yours and which are someone else’s even if you’ve just bleached them, and entirely by the smell; and if they seem to just “know” when you are coming home, it’s because they smell you from a distance.)
Similarly, I’ve noticed that people think that if B&W do not show Jon’s mind being stored somewhere else while he is dead, then the audience will wonder how it got downloaded back into his body. However, Beric did not have a USB drive of any sort with him, either. Moreover, why would anyone assume that some sort of “hard drive reformatting” is necessary? Most people know that the mind is in your brain: restart the brain quickly enough, and the mind comes back with it. (Leaving the brain off for any extended time does cause brain damage, however: but if Mel can jumpstart Jon, then that being “healed” will be the least fantastic element.)
Let’s look at it this way: anything that was not necessary for Beric should not be necessary for Jon.
If someone doesn’t snatch up that screen name right now I will be so surprised.
Oh, no, I doubt that they would confuse anyone with less then eidetic memory, and even most of them would not care. Indeed, I would not have noticed, except: I just watched the first episode in which the Night’s King appears! It just looks like the same guy to me. Of course, there have to be lots and lots of people who could be made to look like that with makeup and prosthetics. It could easily be the case that the differences would become obvious in an extended scene. (It’s no different from seeing someone and mistaking them for someone else until you get a good look a them.)
How could that be Jon in the battle? Doesn’t he have a man bun now?
I just copyrighted it, so if you want it, send me a check….
Agreed. This is exactly what’s happening. Davos was standing way too close to those other men to have time for a monologue and then start fighting them. But fighting with them, against whomever is on the other side of the door, that makes sense. My guess is that Davos is trying to prevent Jon’s body from being taken and burned by Thorne and co. OR Davos is trying to take Jon’s body away from Thorne, somewhere safe and good for resurrections.
Apollo,
A stereotypical gay man, as in that is all his character is. The wedding scene for example. There is no depth to his character at all in the show.
Nope – Medieval women were usually over 20 when married.
Young girls being married off became more of a thing around 1400’s – a lot of Italian nobles wanted to forge connections with others families, became popular in France and England to secure alliances.
Due to travel, there was more diversity in Europe than pre-Viking era. Homosexuality was not persecuted very much at all until post 1100’s. Due to the rise of the Catholic Church.
I don’t think they have to be accurate to history AT ALL tbh. It;s good to explore social issues – which they seem to want to do. The only reason I mention it as inaccurate is because they use accuracy as the reason for including it in the first place.
Thank you for this comprehensive list. After musing it over, I’d suggest the following additions:
– Drogon. I don’t think it’s a detached and/or mandatory episode of a dragon flying. It seems the animators tried to depict that the dragon is injured and not moving in the usual way. This can be the scene following immediately where we left off Dany, whereas Drogon is escaping due to his injuries, or very likely is ordered by Dany to escape, which leads for the Khalazar to capture her.
– Cercei. First image is definitely not from the Lancel scene. She is dressed differently. She seems to be looking far ahead, maybe in anticipation of the ship Dorne ship sailing towards the Red Keep. Looks like she is hoping to see her daughter and Jaimie.
– High Sparrow is certainly talking to a man in armor. Hard to deduce who exactly, but given the likeness to the armor of the Kingsguard, it could in fact be Jaimie, and the scene is probably happeneing before the confrontation at Baelor’s Scept. Notice how Jaimie is at the middle, which could be indicative of him trying to defuse the situation after this conversation with High Sparrow.
– Sansa. In the image where she is shown crying, she didn’t just gain shelter, but also some furs, in all likelyhood after Brienne saves her. So, probably this is her reacting to whatever Brienne is updating her on, and not a scene at Castle Black, as the background seems to depict a rather run-down construction that would not fit well with Caste Black.
– Tommen and Cercei scenes may indeed be misleading. In the latter image, she looks triumphant and is actually wearing the same dress as during the encounter with Lancel, but Robert Strong’s armor seems to be dented, so maybe this is the scene following the violent encounter.
– Littlefinger. Heads will turn, but Littlefinger looks much younger to me in this scene in Godswood. It may be one of Bran’s visions showing his encounter with Catelyn. Could it be that the showrunners are setting up Sansa + Jon with the reveleations of Tower of Joy and this scene in Godswood?
– Yara. Women kissing, and I bet my last dollar that this is the gift that she received from Euron during/post Kingsmoot. So, without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Dusky Woman. It also makes sense considering that we may not see Vicatarion after all, and Yara could fill in this role.
– Jon’s Charge. If one looks close enough, colors of the horses that are charging seem to be very closely resembling the ones depicted earlier. So, again, the scene from the battle for Winterfell. The charge is very likely saving Tormund’s day.
Cheers
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teunteulai,
Good point. We don’t yet know what Bran’s new powers all entail. Then again, Jojen wasn’t contacting just anyone through their dreams. Bran was special.
Exactly! It’s like that silly idea that Clark Kent is Superman. Clark Kent wears glasses: duh! Some people just let their hair down too often…..
The part where Melisandre lays her hand over Jon’s body i felt i in my heart that she was reviving him, even though i have always been more of a “Jon wargs into Ghost” guy. But the way Ghost rests by Jon’s body and morns him i think that that’s actully no one but Ghost him self and that Jon is coming back in another way. But he is coming back, we all know this
If you think Loras is not portrayed as The Gay Guy in the show, I’m not sure what kind of metric you are working with. Loras’s characterization has been one of the most annoying minor-character issues for me.
There are a handful of examples of noble under-16’s being married off during medieval times. That doesn’t make it normal practice. Child marriage today is a different issue (i.e. it’s done for different reasons, not because powerful families are determined to make alliances.)
I’m glad you find irresponsible portrayals of rape and sexuality “damn fine entertainment.” Alas, some of us are bothered by it and it makes the show much harder to enjoy. If the show is going to pretend to grapple with Issues they should, in fact, do more research and not hide behind “historical accuracy” when in fact they are not even doing that.
Aw. Rest in peace Sir George Martin. Some don’t know it, but after a session back in the early 60’s, HE was the one to add and track in the piano and even some of the harmony for the Beatles. He had 90 great years on the planet. Rock n Roll heaven waits for him and he has friends there already.
Wimsey,
Yes, I think that if the warg thing was going to happen, they would have acknowledged that Jon could do it a while back. Or at least clumsily this season – as they did with the Lyanna talk, which just makes me think it’s even more likely it won’t happen.
They might to a shortcut to appease book-readers, like having Ghost be protective of the body etc.
I don’t think they are going to want to wast time with a bunch of exposition on the mechanics of that anyway, on the screen it lessens the dramatic impact.
Jack Bauer 24,
And he doesn’t seem to hold Longclaw as well, which is a fairly big sword and could be shown clearly in this still but then again nobody can give a clear answer as to the identity of this figure…
Oh Wimsey….don’t even get me started on the Shannara series again. Ugh. Thank goodness there are still the books! I’ll need to read them again to scrub the imagery of tbe first three episodes out of my head.
And I love what you said about the accurate portrayal of women in the series for the time period. I love the medieval era and can appreciate George’s attention to historical detail and I’m glad D&D have been able to keep that theme strong throughout the series, regardless of the feminist backlash. Feminists need to realize that these kinds of storylines about the characters exhibit what helped birth the movement. We should never forget where and what we came from.
Actually, it has been argued that the putative “tolerance” of homosexuality by “pagan” religions was propaganda by the Catholic Church: those evil pagans embrace sodomy! After all, the Christians said the same thing about the Muslims at different times. (Amusingly, the Muslims believed the same thing about Christians and Jews!)
In primitive societies, breeding a lot was very necessary for a variety of reasons. If nothing else, then the survival of clans/tribes/villages frequently came down to numbers of people. Moreover, in those societies, most of the people represented cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins, etc. When animals organize like that, kin selection starts strongly influencing behavior: and in humans, that always manifests itself in morality. That is why the gods hate birth control: they want “us” to outbreed “them” (and take enslave their women and children and take all of their stuff), and we need lots of babies to do that.
When you get down to it, the difference between most groups of people at that time and most groups of chimpanzees at that time was that the humans could talk about how humans were different.
Blind Beth,
Thank you. I find it hard to believe that if someone pointed out the inaccuracies to them, that they would go ‘lol we’ll just keep having women raped all the time anyway’, they aren’t sexists, they are trying. They just need to be a bit more responsible. I can’t believe that women hoping for better representation next season dissolved into ‘you hate men’, ‘you’re saying they hate women’, ‘you’re being too picky’.
It should have been left at that, christ I even argued myself not to automatically assume that the scene between Yara and that women would be inaccurate. I remain positive about it until I see it. But to pretend other women don’t have a good reason to be pessimistic is bordering on obliviousness.
dothrakian raven,
I went back and compared pictures after your question. It seems the ice crowns are the same.
The Night’s King Bran sees doesn’t have deep face ice wrinkles; the eyes aren’t glowing blue, as are in the the features in the JS Night’s King.
What a stunning trailer. Thanks for the frame by frame break down. I am not sure that they are all correct in explanation, but certainly many are very close based on all the spoilers we got during the down time.
For the Davos/Jon/Ghost/Edd and Co. part there, I believe that there is something more that we don’t know yet to happen. Someone up thread said that if the door is about to be broken down by Alisser and Co. and Davos/Ed and Co. have swords drawn to meet them, I believe that Ghost would be facing that way too. Think of any animal that hears a sound…they turn their heads and ears perk up. I would think that at that point Ghost would be on high alert, not just lying there/or standing by the table as the door was being brought down. So yes, there is something that we have yet to know about this whole scenario and I can’t wait to find out.
I am SO satisfied with the trailer, great job for whomever puts it all together. My wall calendar shows the premier at 45 days from today, including that Sunday…44 if you exclude it. It is getting more and more manageable to take the wait. This was enough for me. What I don’t know already I will learn in those 10 wonderful weeks and I DO think that Season 6 is going to be (hate to use the word, but) epic. Maybe the best season ever!!
WorfWWorfington,
Mine didn’t; but I got a rise from that line just the same. LOL
I agree, but I do know that there is philosophical debate about that. Religious people often argue that it is “natural” for women to be subservient. Too many people felt that the way to undermine that argument was to assert that women as equals was truly natural.
My view has always been: whether or not it is natural is absolutely irrelevant: knuckle-walking and sleeping in trees used to be “natural” too. 50% of the really smart people in the world are women, and I want really smart people for colleagues, postdocs and grad students (as well as for judges, elected leaders, etc.)
So, yeah: where we started has no bearing on where we should be, but never forget that is where we started. And for the most part, I like what George does: some women buy into the system or don’t think about it, while others chafe under it.
Rusted,
Maybe one way they could nod that Jon has warged into Ghost without going into any exposition at all is by having Ghost’s eye color change from red to black (or dark brown?). Super easy and doesn’t take away any screen time.
Hmm, and here I was thinking it’s ‘Carol the Maid’ … (teehee)
Stargaryen,
In the world where GPS systems and Google trumps all other forms of search methods, people often forget how tracking works.
I totally agree! A ring is a small object, but Drogon left quite a mess from his meals, and that location is relatively close to where 100+ horses continuously rode in a circle, which would naturally leave the trampled ground a mess. Dany’s small circle would be untouched– personally, I would find that quite curious. The metal of the ring would stand out from the green grass. Just look at all the random stuff you see driving on the highway that you don’t even look for.
Its probably easier to see if you’ve ever had horses or grown up with them. A frequently travelled trail or favorite spot is gonna look way more messed up than the other areas. And in such a remote area, I would find it odd to see the ground churned up in a pattern.
Wimsey,
Oooh! I could talk all day about the friction between the Pagans and the Catholic Church, but it probably isn’t the most appropriate thread.
I do find it fascinating that homosexuality was so widely accepted between the Romans, the Greeks and Egyptians but became more and more of a problem as the Catholic Church grew into power. The things written in the bible make my head spin, there’s a reason why it wasn’t widely accepted at first (and the only reason it seems to be today, is that most people haven’t actually read it).
I do find it interesting that ‘the Seven’ closely represents the Christianity and that the North so heavily relies on old Irish culture/the similarities between the Old Gods and Celtic Pagans Gods. I better stop before I begin rambling about Bronze and the resemblance between the downfall of the Starks/the North and the English Christians forcing Christianity on the Irish (so ironic that Ireland ended up heavily Catholic and then persecuted again because of the Church of England).
Edit: look at that, i rambled anyway. Apologies, it’s I’m on some powerful painkillers at the minute due to tearing several ligaments and my spelling/grammar is going straight to hell.
Weirwood Nut,
The reason they put the Night’s King in the trailer is that after the colossal success of ep8 last season he is the very personification, almost iconic, of the White Walker danger. This is the only reason he is in the trailer that is already viewed more than 30mil times. And certainly not to signify within the span of a milisec a change in the character worth of inciting a discussion. Furthermore as it is extremely common with us humans the facial drags change considerably under different circumstances. The same I suppose applies to the NK unless his zombie make-up artist is funny. But all in all he is the same person as we saw him from the very beginning…
I completely and wholeheartedly agree about all of this. After all, good things come to those who wait….and epic things come to those who wait even longer. 😉
I once lost a contact lens in a field, while riding a horse at full gallop. And I found that sucker. It almost made me give up being an atheist.
I am skeptical that Mel will be the new Nissa Nissa and sacrifice herself to save Jon because of this scene in season 3 with Arya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAyCpREHf6k
If that stays true, she needs to be alive to meet Arya again
Rusted,
At least you’re not a hypocrite like Blind Beth who of course says Martin can’t do no bad,it’s the evil D &D who are the problem,fucking lazy fat tub of shit,fuck him and fuck his sychophant fanboys too .
You’re right, Trailer 2 is coming!
It’s volunteer work. You do understand that, right? I hope you are not delusional. Basically, please stop demanding work from people, especially outside the confines of that non-wiki of yours that you run so tyranically (there are less pleasent adverbs that should go unmentioned in civilized conversation). And if you do want a reason, I will give it to you because I want to, not because you “demand” it: it usually feels hopeless to contribute in that hellhole, knowing you’ll edit out most of it and allow no discussion.
Sarah Stark,
Is that definitely a picture of Yara grey joy with another women. It could be lyanna on top of rhaegar?
Lord Snow,
Good call. Blind and Wargy. The perfect cover.
That is easy: if a leaf is from Lorien, then not idly does it fall. Ditto that rings from Valyria.
Funny! lol In seriousness I’m taking a stab that he had it up during a rehearsal or between takes.
Adam R,
I have always said Mel aint dying till she sees arya again.
Woah, I honestly can’t tell if you’re being serious, but either way maybe calm down? People don’t need to get aggressive about it, just logically state their opinions while trying to remain as unbiased as possible, and acknowledge that you are being biased if that’s not possible.
If you are being serious, maybe don’t watch the show? Or are you talking about book-readers that criticize the show for stupid reasons? The books are complex, and layered – they are so incredibly detailed that I learn new things each read. But that doesn’t mean they’re perfect, there are plenty of problems with them too – just as there are some with the show.
Wilber’s Forza Danza,
My money’s on Littlefinger. He was headed up to the North at the end of Season 5, unaware Sansa escaped. I have a feeling Ramsay will take his frustrations out on him!
Just scanning this thread has given me a headache. Why are people arguing over such petty things that aren’t even related to the trailer?! Work your own issues out elsewhere and please focus on what the topic of conversation is.
I had speculated on only one trailer – which would contain stuff that would be remixed into smaller tv spots (maybe with a new voiceover at most).
But with this and so many characters not even shown, I wonder if we might get a second. I’d wager that a lot of this trailer would be mixed in with it though, to cut down on the amount of footage shown.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
They’d want to burn any body to keep it from rising as a wight.
BunBunStark,
Oh I hope that’s true. If they kill him – even to bring back Stark Jesus – I, and my husky dog, will be so pissed!
but no seriously, I don’t see meera?
Rusted,
I’m looking forward to a trailer with Varys potentially being in it.
I really hope they do his Kevan Lannister/Pycelle offing in the same style they did LittleFinger’s offing of Ros.
phantomstrife,
Unless they were forced to go on the run because of what goes down at castle black.
Bran’s profile looks pretty similar to Jon’s now, Isaac is a man grown already.
Speaking of, Euron looks mighty close in appearance to Theon, A+ casting.
I’m glad that he doesn’t have the patch, I think it would have looked a little silly (especially being a pirate and all), hopefully if he does lose an eye in the show they’ll stick with prosthetics.
If Arya is going to warg into Nymeria, the last chance for it to happen is while she’s blind. Would just feel odd for it to happen any later than that, also if there’s any fleeting chance for LSH (unlikely, too many ‘dead’ people returning this season) then the last window for it would also be while Arya is blind. She’d already have to be resurrected by this point though.
Rusted,
I’d wager for a 2nd trailer precisely by that, too many characters missing. And also when you name something #1, usualy it means more will come, just saying.
Re Davos and his support for Jon:
I think the flipside of Mel’s statement that her vision in the fires of the victory was all wrong will be Davos concluding that the vision was right, it was the interpretation that was wrong and that by extention Jon is more important than she had thought. They likely come to the conclusion together that he has to be resurrected.
Correct me if i am wrong, but shouldn’t they burn the dead body before the nightfall?
Considering hints from the first season (NW) and last season when Jon said to Stannis to bury deads before nightfall…Somehow I believe that in the second episode we will see Jon alive. Otherwise it will take too long to evolve and develop the series ending up to major battle and/or Sansa’s return.
Luka Nieto,
And I agree the trailer has a shitty quality, hopefully some other website will upload a better compressed version
Deesensfan,
I don’t either. I think that people are saying she’s the hunch in the ground next to the rider with the fire-chain? Because it looks close to the image we got of her in the snow and the BTS video. Just my guess.
Get hyyyyyyyyyyyyypppppppeeeeee *faints*
Brilliant job, person who did the shot by shot upload to imgur, thank you! Sadly lost track of your post so not sure who you are are, unless you’re Zadeth on here as well? Some of the shots are really dark so I stuck them in Photoshop to see if we could glean anything else. Unfortunately the resolution is too low for things like zooming in massively, but I guess it’s better than nothing.
Based on others’ comments the only things I could see that might make things a littler clearer are (left and right refers to our view):
Davos drawing longclaw: got the guy to his right and the second and third from left. The one furthest left has his back to the camera and shoulder length dark hair. I’d guess it’s Edd?
Jon immediately after FTW: The traitor sign is still there. If they wanted to cover everything up I would have thought they’d get rid of the sign, but might have been interrupted and fled before they could hide their tracks.
Davos in the snow: someone said they thought the lighting might be from a fire, but I think it could be sunshine, he has a bit of a glow just behind his head where I could imagine the sun being.
Mel: definitely appears to be wearing something furry.
High Sparrow: The person to his left just in shot is wearing a goldcloak uniform. Going by his eye line I’d guess it’s someone of normal height, like Jaime, rather than Cersei’s new chum.
Sansa in furs: Don’t think she’s crying, looks like she has a skin tag of some kind under her eye.
NW’s breaking down a door: Alliser on the left, no idea who the other two are but someone might recognise them.
Cersei and Ser FrankenMountain: I think that might be Qyburn on the left.
Littlefinger: Don’t know where he is but it looks like it’s lightly snowing.
Next to Jon: No idea what’s on that person’s hand but it does look deliberate rather than just a smear of dirt. Maybe a big fan of the number 10? They look like they’ve got NW gear on and longish hair, so I’m guessing Edd again.
Finally…some are excited about Yara and ‘friend’ but no idea where they are. Everyone in the background seems to be wearing turquoise, if that’s any help?
Sorry for the length, standing in for Jared 😉 just joking J, we love your posts, tell us everything you want to! 😀
Rusted,
Hmmmm I see! Thank you!
If I recall correctly what I read many years ago in the History of Homosexuality – at least in Greece – the accepted form of love or sexual relationship was between an adult man and a younger boy in puberty. Sex between two free born adults was very much frowned upon. Especially the passive partner (receiving anal sex) was much maligned, because, you know, being penetrated that’s womanish.
So I wouldn’t go that far as to say that homosexuality – which is a modern concept btw – was largely accepted before christianity came along…
Joffrey’s Cunt,
Joffrey’s Cunt,
Yeah, I think HBO’s website has it in much better quality. Someone will likely rip it and then upload it on youtube. Yeah, the #1 was what I meant by ‘this’. 🙂
Ahh, do you mean the way it was edited, or the way she was killed? Varys speaking to Tyrion or someone while it cuts to a
The hand before the fire is Dany’s. Don’t you recognize the ring?
harlequeen,
Unless of course they are on the run because the warden of the north is coming to dispatch the wildling hoard
Or
Perhaps a version of the pink letter arrives and the wildlings set out to save jon’s sister.
Hrum…the embedding ignores that I wanted this to start at 42 seconds. Ah well, it’s all good.
Adam R,
I’m skeptical too. Also hasn’t she seen herself walking on the battlements of Winterfell? I expect her to do so. (Or will she give her soul to Jon Snow and experience this through him? Whoooooooaaaa! Sorry. Just kiddin’ of course 😉 )
Sorry, someone probably already pointed this out, but the solo shot of Cersei sighing then closing her eyes. I’m guessing that’s the scene they sent her to Dubrovnik for briefly (can see the pink/red border of her collar) based on the backdrop, so she would be standing in front of Blackwater bay/ the spot Myrcella sailed off to Dorne from. It’s where they keep the kayaks in Dubrovnik 😉 So I suspect she’s facing the water rather than Lancel.. 🙂
Wylie,
I see what you mean. I should have used commonplace for the Greeks instead of accepted, as there were problematic areas.
Men and teenage boys were actively encouraged. But relations between adults were a little tricker. Greeks did not belive in defined sexualitly it was based purely on who was penetrating/who was being penetrated (to put it bluntly). It was fine for the penetrator but the penetrated was considered lesser, they weren’t heavily discriminated but were occasionally lightly mocked. Homosexualitly was encourage between batallions as is was ‘good for morale’, and female same-sex relationships were accepted.
Aghhhh all I want to know is when / how / where / why DO JON AND SANSA meet?!???
Adam R,
Unless she’s been seeing visions FROM Jon’s perspective this whole time, and it’s Jon who meets Arya again.
Wimsey, I love you for that one!
Funny! lol In seriousness I’m taking a stab that he had it up during a rehearsal or between takes.
Rusted,
Yesterday, my neighbor, a 25yo woman, told me about what happened to her a few days ago : she was smoking on her balcony when she saw a dude undressing in his appartment, getting naked. The way she told me about it, she was disgusted, almost horrified. Even though, according to her, the guy was cute.
This. This is why you see way less male nudity in shows and movies. Because most women don’t want to see a penis unless they asked for it. Some women would even compare this to rape. Men, in the contrary, either don’t care or are pleased to see a vagina or breasts. So don’t blame men for this because this is totally on women.
Jaime’s girl,
Agreed. My first thought with that shot is that she’s watching Jaime’s ship roll in, and she is realizing that Myrcella isn’t on-deck with Jaime and/or seeing the expression on his face.
Reading this sub-thread within the trailer breakdown discussion is very entertaining! Keep it going please 😉
Preston Jacobs just posted his breakdown a little bit ago and mentioned this same thought. It would be nice to see a Pink Letter inclusion in the show, but I feel it’s too late at this point and there are too many ingredients from the books that the show decided to leave out leading up to it. I think it will be a simplified “lets take the north out if Bolton hands” plot.
Yes, but Beric was resurrected immediately each time. In the trailer we see Jon’s body lying in the snow then lying on a table being tended to and then being guarded. So it doesn’t look like he will be resurrected immediately.
As long as Jon doesn’t become Stannis 2.0, I’m cool with everything. Get hype!
SomeFrenchDude,
I think there is some merit to this, though one could also argue that the different criteria men and women have for what is sexy is a product of a sexist society (ie, men are taught to see women as objects and women are taught to see men as support).
That said, we live in the culture we live in. Going by these boards alone, the sexiest character in the show is Jorah, the one character who explicitly tries to show less skin, followed by Jaqen’s voice.
I don’t think Beric was resurrected immediately the first time. At least on the show I didn’t get the impression from Thoros (who, somewhat like Melisandre, had lost his faith). It was only when Thoros was at his lowest point that Beric came back.
My wife lost her engagement ring and her Mother ring in two separate incidents and many years apart and I found both, the engagement ring was the easiest, I waited until night fall and shined a flashlight around the area, I saw 3 or 4 shiny reflections the second one was the ring.
Did the same for the mothers ring, but it was hidden under leaves, but found it in less then 20 minutes.
Ser Roger Sterling,
I just feel if Bran was to send Meera, Hodor and some Children south in the future we could still have the odd interaction with the WW’s, some interesting moments in a newly restructured north and finally tie in the Crannogmen who have this connection with the CotF who surely have a part to play in the battle for the Dawn. All the while Bran could warg into Hodor and kick some proverbial ass.
fasads,
Thousands of Dothraki riders circle her! What kind of trackers wouldn’t notice that?
All great GIFs, thanks Abyss.
I want to caption the one with Cersie “I choose violets”
and your “I fooked up”! Perfect.
Deesensfan,
Don’t ask, or someone will answer! They are two book characters which I’m pretty sure will never be present in the show. He’s joking about seeing people who aren’t there.
Lulus Mum,
For: Mama de Lulu, thanks for that hard work, always love getting your impression after the photoshop work. ((hugs))
Wilber’s Forza Danza,
I agree. Fake Stanis or real Roose dressed up as Stanis (as they are quite similar and get their hair done at the same salon) and Fake Sansa on the cross. They’re burnt to hide the farce and in mockery as offering’s to Stanis’ Lord of Light – a la Bran and Rickon and all the over foreshadowing including, the Grave Digger, and the smashing of the Targarion Children’s heads.
This makes me think a version of the pink letter sent and the Wildlings go off to save a fake Sansa.
Perhaps Thorne may in fact orchestrate this himself – or use it to his advantage.
His plan is to accuse the Bolton’s of killing Jon, thinking they would want revenge and go after Roose and save Jon’s sister to prove their loyalty.
Once they are out of the way Thorne then crows the Bolton’s and lets them know the Wildling’s have killed the lord Commander and are heading to Winterfell to take the North.
Yes I know Thorne needs to flay Jon’s body to make it look authentic but perhaps its just a spur of the moment riff.
simon,
On the run by going to fight alongside Northerners against Boltons eh? Nope. And why would they attempt to save Jon’s ‘half-sister’ unless Jon himself asked them? How would they even know about her?
Sansa escaped, she won’t be caught by Roose’s men.
Nadia,
THIS. To be honest it’s the thing I’m most looking forward to, finally a reunion between two Starks (maybe even three, depending on Rickon?). They are both internalise their feelings and have cool demeanour so it’s tricky to picture it. They think of each other affectionately, but don’t have as strong a bond as they do to the rest of the family, so we could be in for some miscommunication (doesn’t help that in the books they both think they’ve dishonored the family, so the reunion might not be as warm as people are expecting).
– SIX northeners in the ToJ, really??If not the original SEVEN against THREE, isn’t six an irritating choice? I mean, why?
Ser Roger Sterling,
I have no problem with it being the Hound, it just didn’t quite sound like his raspy voice to me. And yes, I know the theory, and it would be pretty awesome if it were him. I’m just trying to come up with alternatives because….I guess because i arrived so late to the conversation and all the other observations were taken. 🙂
From what I understand, in Athens it was considered shameful and disgraceful for a free man. But in other greek states it seems to have been much more of a commonplace for adult men.
I don’t think one should try to soften the discrimination by calling it “occasionally lightly mocking”.
GaiusB,
This REALLY makes me worry about Ghost.
This trailer has really made me wonder about where Davos’ future lies with Stannis no longer around to serve. With Jon ‘dead’ and free from his vows should he come back, there’s obviously a vacancy for the Lord Commander if he hands Alliser Thorne’s ass to him, which looks likely when they fight over Jon’s body. I think there’s fuel to add to that fire with the fact he draws Longclaw and obviously uses the sword to fight. Since Jeor Mormont handed the sword down to Jon and not Jorah, who let’s face it will never need it because he’s turning to stone, it’s stopped being an ancestral sword and has become the sword of the Commander of the Night’s Watch. Whoever takes over command is obviously going to need a valyrian steel sword with the White Walkers knocking at the door in the North, and I was never entirely sure that Longclaw was meant to be ‘Lightbringer’. Perhaps Jon’s post death travels will lead him to his actual sword, and that Tower of Joy scene will give us a glimpse of ‘Dawn’ so that Jon’s birth and his ‘actual’ weapon are tied together.
No idea what’s going on with Mel. If I didn’t believe she needs to meet Arya before she dies, I’d say she was sacrificing herself for Jon. In any case, I suspect Shireen’s sacrifice will probably bear some fruit. It has to count for something.
I’m also convinced we’ll see Benjen again, whereas I very much doubt Cold Hands will be included at this late stage. It was too much of a coincidence that he was mentioned at the end of S5.
Ines,
Because Howli is taking a short cut doing the mole. You must know that he was taught by the first earthbenders!
scififantasygirl,
not that dude and his crazy ass theories.
Wildlings are no longer at CB. Any letter from Winterfell would reach whoever runs the place at that moment so either Alliser or Jon.
People are overthinking it. We have reliable set leaks that mention the wildlings will simply be tagging along with Jon to the battle
Carne,
Perhaps it is the original night’s king and not the current one and even a Stark.
The person on the horse with the fireball is too big to be a CoF?
Is this the first time we’ve seen a shield wall in GoT?
Agreed, and “irritating” would be the perfect word to describe this choice.
I’m hoping that Howland Reed is just not in that shot, which would make sense. If your thing is that you sneak around, why would you be with the yelling/charging part of the team? We know he gets the drop on Dayne, which is a lot more believable if Dayne simply didn’t know there was a seventh guy to look out for.
Edit: Wylie beat me to it, and with a way more entertaining image.
Wylie,
I said not heavily discriminated, obviously mocking is discrimination. And the words you quoted were the ones I was taught, which is why I used them. They weren’t murdered, attacked, removed from their posts (like they were at the height of Christianity, which is what I was originally referring to in the comment you first replied to) etc – but were compared to women, and they implied that they were feminine.
Coming back to the shot of the women/children attacking someone in what looks like the crypts, I (and others) proposed it could be Varys’ little birds. Now that recall, Wasn’t there some shooting at Shane castle way back that involved children (and someone’s friends kid was filming there)?
Also, I seem to recall a few days ago the casting announcement of a young girl who had scenes with Cersei, Pycelle and Qyburn. Could these be linked in some way?
Luka Nieto,
Did he really try and fuss at you for the thread you started here, instead of spending time contributing to that wiki??? Wow…just…wow.
As for those speculating there will be a second trailer, if the one released yesterday is being called #1 by HBO, yeah, it seems there must be another on its way. If it’s as good as this one, I will have no mind left (not that I ever had much of one to being with). I’m still laughing at myself for the way I was freaking out yesterday. 🙂
Rusted,
Agree
Depends on your definition; does Dany’s hasty testudo after the execution count?
Jack Bauer 24,
Wasn’t there a shield wall at the Wildfire battle? Or do you mean a stationary shield that’s been planted?
Again, a reminder http://bit.ly/1XdwAKx for anyone speculating about Melisandre’s fate
Jon Stark,
Wearing a cloak in a fight would be dumb.
White armor in reality would be enameled and is ceremonial and not what you would wear into battle.
What surprises me is that if you look at the shape of the Night’s King’s nose and high cheekbones, he looks a lot like Bran.
Nadia,
Wasn’t it you who a while ago would swear in all gods that it is almost illogical that Sansa will be saved by Brienne and head to Castle Black or some other Northern Castle and that she instead will be saved and picked up by LF and Vale army? Do I remember well?
harlequeen,
Looks like the cloak sansa was wearing in the pics in front of Mel doesn’t it ?
Funny how little we know.
I see you fellow Vikings fan 😉
I love his crazy ass theories, lol. I applaud anyone who puts that much time and thought process into something they love so much. I don’t subscribe to half his theories but he has made me think a lot and has definitely been pivotal in my beginning the books. Now that I’ve read them all I comment on some of his vids with counteractions. Its just fun 🙂
harlequeen,
Not along side the northerners.
I think the trailer indicates the Freefolk are on their own with the Bolton’s, in the wilderness so to speak, and an opposing Northern force, Jon’s, will come to save them because Jon and or Sansa has convinced them to.
(Yes it is unlikely they are going to save Sansa)
Re going after the Bolton’s I’d suggest pragmatism is a driver. The Warden of the North will probably come after them at Thorne’s behest. In this situation they might go after Jon’s family enemies as a sign of good faith towards Jon, who was killed for helping them, and perhaps die fight instead of waiting for the white walkers or the cold to kill them.
Jon will not be resurrected until they are gone from CB. Or if he is resurrected will not yet have an army behind him.
Jack Bauer 24,
Phalanx wise yeah. And the Bolton soldiers have a much better shield than the Unsullied for it haha
This may have already been mentioned in one or more of the many comments but thete is a theory that Blackfish is the one rescuing Theon..ie: the type of armor. I don’t subscribe to it but thought I’d tbrow it out here.
And if anyone follows these people, Rawrist, Preston Jacobs, RedTeamReview and AltShiftX all have uploaded their trailer breakdowns. Some of the theories in the comment sections have been great.
Seriously, that guy who appears to be Aeron Damphair looks so much like the guy who played the drowned priest in s2, the one who babtized Theon. I’m talking about the shot, where he ‘drowns’ Euron, but moreso in the shot of the kingsmoot. Maybe they used the same actor. Can anyone find out someway, maybe look at the actors scedule or something (I dont know how that works). I mean, has anyone looked into that possibility? That they simply reused the actor, and then he’s just been Aeron all along, even though they stated in s2, that he wasn’t. I mean, look at him in the trailer.
The Nights watch guys who are busting down that door are probably trying to get into the same room with Davos and Jon’s body to kill Ghost. There is no reason for them to steal or further mutilate Jon’s body, it’s clear they are after Ghost.
I remember everyone saying this but it doesn’t actually resemble Sansas cloak at all. It does however look like exactly the same fabric as Theons cloak, at Sansas wedding (if you search google images/ it’s the same pattern). Theon obviously wasn’t wearing this when they escaped so I’m not suggesting it’s him, just thought it was an interesting coincidence (or was simply re-used by wardrobe).
Oskaras,
They’d want to burn Jon’s body.
Damphairintheshowplease!,
I believe Sue confirmed it wasn’t the same actor back when they were filming. Frustrating that we still don’t know who is playing though, I agree. He’s a POV for (the drowned) god’s sake.
All the Castle Black scenes are so Jon’s resurrection! I mean, it seems a little obvious, right? Like Thorne and his fellow mutineers breaking down the door where Davos, Jon Snow loyalists (including Edd) and Jons body with Ghost next to him. It seems that all of this is in the first episode!
Also, here is a great breakdown of the trailer from Alt Shift X.
Connor,
Totally agree with you
I don’t believe that is Mel with her hand over Jon’s eyes.. I think that’s one of the brothers actually.. why? well the person is wearing what certainly looks leather on judging from the light reflecting on it very similarly to what Jon is wearing.
I do agree that Davos is planning to steal/protect Jon’s body for Mel to resurrect though.
Thomas Sandstone,
Also, if you look at the armor’s overall style the helm and in some ways the breastplate looks very much like an old school version of the current kingsguard armor. Sort of like Robert updated his kingsguard with a bunch of bells and whistles whereas the Targaryen kingsguard armor was more boilerplate and traditionalist of previous iterations.
“I choose violence.” – this will be my new motto going forward for the foreseeable future. AWESOME
If the sacrifice Ghost to bring back Jon Snow I am going to cry like a baby and be thoroughly pissed. Then I will choose violence as my new motto predicts – and likely break my TV.
Exactly. I think its Edds closing his eyes.
Actually, that isn’t true. At least one time, he was hung. Thoros would have had to wait a little bit on that. At any rate, there is nothing indicating that there is a time requirement: we know of another case where it was done on a multiday old corpse.
My bet is that Jon will be revived with the day of his death: but I’m guessing it will be the dramatic conclusion of the first episode. He might spend a little time trying to recover his wits, too. However, in the end, Jon’s one of the biggest characters, so they have to get on with whatever the character dilemma is that is this year’s story.
It was the other Greyjoy brother who was a PoV character: Braindead Greyjoy; I don’t think that either Whackjob or Nutjob Greyjoy ever are PoVs. (Unless one was in Crows: but all I remember Whackjob doing is telling Asha/Yara that Underwater Jesus does not want his people following a woman.)
I am now envisioning the Greyjoys as done by the 3 Stooges. It’s actually an improvement! 😀
That definitely looks to be Edd in the final shot. Either that or Elvis: they kind of look alike. (Elvis is in this series, right?)
Thoros never had to sacrifice anyone or anything to bring back Beric: why should Melisandre need to do so to bring back Jon? (Particularly if R’hllor has been trying to get her to Jon all along!)
That would make perfect sense to me and is much more likely in my opinion .. I think Davos’ effection for Mel will lead him to go with her idea to get Jon’s body .. they take him and lock themselves in the room and have no choice but to fight their way out..
I saw another video where someone suggested Ghost was dead.. I don’t think that’s the case either, I think Ghost is just staying with Jon and will most likely be a HUGE help in them getting out alive.
Apollo,
Sorry, I don’t know how to upload the file from my phone. However, check out season 5 episode 10 (Mothers Mercy) and fast forward to 9.10. I remembered the scene because I thought the lighting was so beautiful for such an awful, ugly place. Maybe someone can upload it for further discussion.
Thanks
Are you referring to the scene in the crypts of Baelors Sept with the HS? I remember it well… I’m wondering if those “little birds” enact some kind of revenge on someone in the Sept?
And one on the right looks a little like Maergery, though that wouldn’t really fit with her release that we’ve heard about.
Apollo,
[ spoiler ] I’d suggest the little birds are in the rookery [ / spoiler]
All the Davos shots in the trailer have me worried he is being set up for a heroic death later this season.
Shy Lady Dragon,
Lol!!!! Thanks shy lady, you always have my back
harlequeen,
She does not look like she has had a sword through her breast. Could it happen later in the season? The prophecy says that “a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. That sword will be Lightbringer.”
She has said, at least once, that the fire burns within her. Could be a hint of what’s to come.
Apollo,
Nope, Sam is talking to John in his office and asks his permission to leave the wall and take Gilly and the baby to the Citadel to study how they might beat the White Walkers. There is a light coming through the window that just seems out of place. I actually think it’s foreshadowing Jon’s death.
This is what i thought too. I’m thinking its Benjen Stark saving Meera from a Wight.
Vanity Fair is all in on that being JS on a horse. She does point out the similarities to what he’s wearing during the infamous on-set “bun” shot.
How did the light say “Jon will die”?
I don’t think that a dead dog’s hair could be standing on end like that: I had assumed that Ghost was in “defense” mode and getting quite bristly. (Most carnivores do that: it makes them look bigger!)
thornofhighgarden,
He may be simply wearing the man bun while not on camera, to get his hair out of his face.
JCDavis,
Hey JC *waves and hugs for you too* You’re very welcome. Now we just need a much higher resolution version for zooooooming and more general in-depth noseyness. And April 24 (2am, 25th here) to HURRY! 😀
I go along with that hypothesis also. The last clip with Ghost next to Jon’s body may be relevant? Although not shown in the last scene in Season 5, Jon’s final word in ADWD was ‘Ghost’, so perhaps he has managed to warg into his direwolf.
That along with Weiss’s comment to Kit Harington “Two words – Season 6” when he said ‘he would like to be a warg – and put himself into a wolf’ in the Oxford Union address seems to bear that out also.
Of course, until Season 6 airs none of us can say if that will happen, but other breakdowns of the trailer I’ve viewed have mentioned this also.
We’ll then see if Wimsey’s guns are still hanging 😀 😀
Wimsey,
It just seemed….ethereal and very much out of place at the wall. Did you check out the scene in question? I work with lighting and couldn’t figure out why they would light that scene like that (it’s 2 men talking). Low and behold, a couple of scenes later, Jon was dead.
I think that you mean still not hanging! (And, yes, they still would be unhung.)
At any rate, we don’t need warging to explain Ghost’s behavior: unless, of course, you think warging is very prevalent in the real world! (Ghost not being there would be more suspicious.)
Stargaryen,
Ned himself frequently wore a man-bun. Jon could be wearing this hairstyle to honor Ned during the battle.
Simon,
Simon
Thanks for the correction 😉 Well, it will be interesting to see which one of us is correct? Not so long to wait now – For Jon ‘To warg or not to warg – That is the question’ 😉
RyderofRills,
Just occurred to me that the hands could be belong to Bran, who is trying to communicate with Jon during a vision of the events at Castle Black.
Lonely Cat,
That’s the best Theory I’ve heard, I think you might be right.
looking at it again, I really think this might be bran.
harlequeen,
that look on her face is everything to me
JCDavis,
If you want to add captions, then the cleaner versions of the gifs would be the best option since the normal versions are in reality short movie clips on a loop. You would need a somewhat advanced movie editor to work with them. Not that easy to get your hands on something like that and to learn how to use it.
The clean versions are apngs which is basically an advanced version of GIF-files. If you install the right plug-in free, professional programs like GIMP are able to work with that format. Later you can upload the edited apngs to gifycat, which will make it executable in every standard webbrowser, but reduce the qulity or leave it as apng for the best qulity. Doing the later will make the files very large and they will only work in Fire Fox by default.
Whew! I’ve finally made it to the bottom of the comments. You-all crack me up! Pretty much everything has been said. I just want to add:
Yes, that is Edd touching JS, presumably saying his goodbyes.
Bran and the Night’s King!!! Shivers!!
Euron in the rain…on a rope bridge…!!!
The explosion blowing the windows out of the pyramid: my first thought was, “Uh-oh. One of the dragons is loose!”
Arya’s eyes! Soooo creepy!
“I choose violence!” Weeeee!
The crew in the room with Davos: I agree with the poster above that said that there is something going on in that room that is not apparent to us now. Davos is taking such a strange tone speaking to them, and Ghost is looking at Davos like Davos is speaking to him (but that could just be the CGI and my fanciful imaginings!).
I’m hoping that warging is not off the table for either Jon or Arya in the show. I’d love to see them added to Bran as wargers. I’m also hoping that there will be another trailer that includes some of the other characters, like Doran, Edmure, the new crew at Horn Hill, a glimpse of the Mummers, and most of all, a glimpse of Ian McShane! 45 days and counting! I can’t wait!!
Is it true that when Jorah picks up Dany’s ring he says “Not idly do the leaves of Lórien fall” 😉
I couldn’t help myself.
Been trying to stay away from press and video clips of GOT Season 6, but as soon as I saw the Trailer on FB yesterday … I raced online to comment with others!
Only thing was… I rushed into the wrong site and was posting in WIC!!! lol
Forgive Me … Please! 🙂
Black Raven,
I don’t think he wargs into Ghost. If he had warged into Ghost, wouldn’t he get the hell out of there (Castle Black) immediately? Why would Jon, as Ghost, just decide to go lay down next to his dead body? He has to know that they’d want to come for Ghost next and I think his first priority would be to get Ghost to safety. There’s no reason for Jon, as Ghost, to just hang around protecting his body. It’s not like Melisandre whispered to him, oh hey if you ever die, just stick around and I can bring you back to life.
Just mentioned this on the Own’s comments but Bran in this Trailer looks exactly like the NK standing behind him. The ear wholes, nose and chin are the same despite the angle and makeup. If I am right this is the possible Nights Kings of futures yet to come.
Wimsey,
i thing they gonna burn john’s body and then he born back to life , just like the mother of dragons did .
I hope Yara is gay. I cannot imagine book Asha being gay, probably because I read her chapter and heard her thoughts about Qarl the Maid. But show Yara is a different thing. There’s a lot of emphasis on her having filled her big brothers’ shoes, taking over the eldest brothers ship. She’s has kind of a mannish statue and when she talks to her crew, its as if she’s one of them. Someone is probably gonna find my comment offensive, though I really just feel that Yara being revealed to be gay is a pretty harmonic development within the show-narrative and it could potentially add an interesting layer to her character. You have to remember, the Iron Islands is not the usual male dominated culture, like the rest of Westeros. The Iron Islands is downright misogynistic. It’s been established several times in show continuety, beginning with Theons disregard for women in the first season. The first Iron Born he met at the docs in s2, declared that he didn’t like wine because it’s a womans drink. There was Ralph Kenning who also had some kind of misogynistic comment. It makes sence to me, that after loosing her brothers, Yara could only win Balons affection by becoming his ‘son’, not his daughter. So she became a true Iron Born, learned how to fight, got drunk with the men, went on raids, took saltwives. It’s not like the wildlings where nature forces the woman to fight and so on. Generally, there are no female Iron Born warriors. Except Yara. I personally cannot wait to see this explored. For some reason though, I hope she’s gay, not bi. I don’t know, maybe because they kinda used that with Oberyn.
(What I have come away with it in this trailer)
I have always doubted Jon would warg into Ghost after the assassination.
In the books Jon never seemed to have that ability and was glad of it because I thought it was a “Blood of the First Men” trait and hold to the theory that Jon is half Targaryen.
I have always believed that Melissandre would resurrect him but only by sacrificing her own life (a Azor Ahai moment)
The TV show seems to be reinforcing my hopes and this trailer has me hopeful.
Melissandre is at her lowest… her vanity,power and righteousness have faded. Only now can she see her folly but in her despair she sees one last true path.
What the show makes utterly compelling, is the man who hates her the most, may give her true redemption.
God I love this show!!!
I cannot wait to see that “All of it was a Lie” scene and I am Pretty Damn Certain in will be in the 1st episode along with alot of other clips in the trailer. 🙂
ps… When Thoros was telling Melissandre how he brought Beric back to life, did he say it was because “he loved him”??? I can’t remember.
mohamad,
I don’t think so. Jon on top of a funeral pyre would’ve been the perfect shot for the trailer. Their whole thing has been trying to convince the average viewer that Jon is really really dead, and what better shot than his dead body upon a pyre about to be burned? Maybe even with the words “and now his watch has ended”. So I think they didn’t put that in the trailer because it doesn’t happen.
There was a filming spoiler from L7R that
Ashara D,
The general consensus seems to be that its Edd hands touching Jon’s corpse. Don’t the hands seem too smooth to belong to a grown man? I actually googled Edd’s pics 🙂 and his hands seem too lined and well, old as compared to the one in the trailer. I think that’s a fairly young person standing next to the corpse. Someone suggested Bran, via a vision, that’as an interesting option, even though I dont know how likely that is.
It’s a good trailer, but I have mixed feelings about how the story unfolds. From their looks in the trailer Tormund and Melisandre won’t make it into season 7.
I bet Ghost will be sacrificed to revive Jon Snow (and the CGI budget).
Nitpick: I guess the picture with Ned’s good men is mirrored as they are all left-handed?
Daenerys looks good with a little dirt.
Could the shot of Littlefinger in the woods be a part of Bran´s Nightsking vision?
Bran finding out that LF is in it with Nightsking?
So I watched the trailer again and paused at the burning person. I tried to see who it could be…
Is it the angle…or does it look like he has no fingers on his right hand? 🙁
I just saw a blown up pic of right after Davos pulls Longclaw and has it out. Probably the very last second or 2 of the trailer, and the person standing off to the right of him appears to have long wavy/frizzy reddish hair. You can’t really tell what they’re wearing as it’s in shadow. There “may” be a slight glint on one of the fingers, which could be a ring. It could be Mel, but the hair color and length seems a bit off. Hey, you know who has the kind of hair I’m seeing? Thoros of Myrr (sp?) 🙂
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F9F1/production/_88658936_4e538c92-4b3b-4af1-964b-4c70b26a4ea8.jpg
This is the last pic with some change in the lighting, i think. Is that Tormund in the extreme right? Is he there in the room with Davos?
Ygritte,
I see the resemblance with Thoros’s hair, but the person is too short, the actor (I forgot his name) is a tall man IIRC. Maybe it’s just Mel, having a bad hair day 🙂 Seriously, they can change the hairstyle a little bit to show her tired and depressed.
What do you say about the trailer, Ygritte? I’m sorry you’re not around as much as you used to be.
Mihnea,
good spot
ghost of winterfell,
Interesting. Thanks for that.
Shy Lady Dragon,
Its Tormund, I think
ghost of winterfell,
It’s just an NW extra. Here he is in one of the shots leading up to the one you’ve all been linking.
http://i.imgur.com/6cUiGFg.jpg
Shy Lady Dragon,
So good to “see” you Shy Lady D! I’ve missed ya. Didn’t see you post for a few days and was wondering where ya were. Yeah my laptop crashed and cell phone is very hard to deal with so I haven’t been on much. phone’s only 2 years old but I hear that’s about the time people replace them so…another thing for the to-do list. How have you been? The trailer took me by surprise, mid-week and no announcement. Found it On HBO extras the next day and got a proper viewing. I think it’s put together well, dramatically. Some of it goes by too fast so it’s great we have WOTW to do analyzing for/with us 🙂 I like the scenes with Davos/Jon and Mel in particular. I think we can guess where a lot of it is headed due to spoilery stuff but with these 3 and that story line it’s all very much up in the air right? What are you most excited for? To be honest I started losing interest before the trailer came out. One can sustain such a thing for only so long before it fizzles without new material to digest so it was perfect timing actually 🙂 I heard Kit came out and said in some recent interview that he’s won’t be in this season except as a corpse. It made me believe for a bit that he doesn’t revive until the following season, which is another whole year away. That just won’t do lol. Do you watch Downton Abbey? The Final episode aired last week and it was great, but I’m sad to see it end.
ghost of winterfell,
Greenjones,
Thanks for putting that up. The person I saw posting one from a different angle thought it might be Melissandre in the room ready to do her “magic” as Davos fends off Alliser and co. Someone else said they saw Edd but I don’t spot him in any of the images. Looks like the onion knight (why do they call him that lol?) might be on his own there with only some random loyalists.
Simon,
Yes, I also thought there is some interesting resemblance between Bran and the NK
Greenjones,
Ah okay, thanks. The lighting in the other pic made it seem that the person was red-haired.
Al Swearengen,
‘Not idly do the rings of Valyria fall’
Joffreysbleedingeyes,
Do You mean Stark resemblance re the original NK? I’m not certain but I wouldn’t be surprised if its the same actor. Though I have been a home with a fever so I might be imagining it all.
Better take my tinfoil hat off and head off to bed.
Could this be Benjen?
http://i.imgur.com/bOfdPMZ.jpg
Ygritte, ghost of winterfell, Shy Lady Dragon,
I lightened up some of the screen shots in Photoshop and posted them here. The top two are from that scene and it seems to be three other men, one with (possibly long) dark hair and a beard to the right (Davos’s left) and two to the left, one with short dark hair, no beard and maybe a mustache and another with slightly longer, lighter hair. Can’t see the bottom of his face due to shadow but I’m fairly sure they are all men. There is a fourth person to the far left but they have their back to the camera, although I’m guessing it’s Edd as he(?) appears to have shoulder length dark hair and could easily logically be involved in anything Jon-related. Hi Shy one *waves with my special donkey ears* 😀
ploppy,
yeah I see that…
OT:
LOL
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/george-r-r-martin-not-dead-yet-1.3483972
Ygritte,
They call him the onion knight because Stannis knighted him for snuggling onions into a siege and keeping his army alive.
OMG! I have watched the trailer numerous times (lost track) AND thanks to someone who posted here, the trailer again in slow motion. It never gets old. HBO certainly provided us with an amazing trailer. The lines, Cersi “I choose violence,” then the build up and Davos, “my apologies for what you’re about to see”……Then the shot from the TOJ!!!
The hype is not only real, it’s without words to describe it. Thanks WOTW for the breakdown! (though I do agree that that is Dany’s hand).
Great job, HBO and WOTW!
Connor,
Agreed! Especially since Ghost is clearly standing next to Jon’s head, who definitely would not let anyone disloyal anywhere near Jon even in death.
Adam R,
and others with the “Mel can’t die until she sees Arya”,
I think there are many options where Mel will still meet Arya again…. but Carise the actress won’t. Will she become a part of Ghost? Embued in Longclaw? A part of Jon? Will they meet in death, eternal servants to different gods?
Wimsey,
Mel isn’t JUST bringing back Jon back to life, she’s bringing back Jon and creating Azor Ahai. Ya need to take it to the next level for that… with a sacrifice. If she doesn’t at least kill, I mean Olly for pity’s sake I will be annoyed…. we shall see if there is a sacrifice involved or not!
guys there is something that nobody known on this trailer. in 1:10 before we see complete stannis killing scene we saw someone with strange armor killing bolton soldier. i think this person might be jon .SPOILER : beacuse we know there was a scene that jon and sansa and littlefinger was involved.
It’s Brienne who’s killing that Bolton soldier. That’s very clearly her armor.
GreenChili,
Where in the trailer is that??
Is it? I went back and forth over it. One time I think it is her, the other time I think it is not her. The plates on the person’s left arm? However, I don’t think it’s JS, I am just unsure whether it is Brienne?
Yes. And yes.
Yup, Bran becomes the Night King unless that future can be averted – he looks exactly like Bran….
AWESOME
Shruti,
If you look at the trailer at a very slow speed you can tell he’s standing. He’s gigantic, don’t forget, so he’s towering over the end of the table(?) Jon’s body is on. His head appears slightly down and his ears back…a stance I’ve seen countless times from my own dogs being protective. So, at least at that particular point in time, he appears to be very much alive (unlike his owner)…lol
Mihnea,
OMG, you just made my day!!!! Shoo, indeed!
Rusted,
The way it was edited. I think it would be a great foil scene between the two characters. One is going for chaos, the other’s end goal is stability.
I agree with Shy Lady Dragon. The person is too short….the hand is small. Whoever this person is, they barely come up to Davos’ shoulder in height….Tormund would tower in height over others in that small room.
On a different note…some of the theories are getting a bit “out there” for scenes from the trailer. Every person not known seems to be Benjen Stark. LOL.
I am still in the “no warging” camp for several reasons. If Jon did actually die as in dead as we saw him at the end of last season and the beginning of this one, dead people don’t warg and Ghost wasn’t there and still wasn’t in the opening scene we see of the trailer. Also if he did manage to do something he never did before and warg into Ghost, would he warg back to a dead body sometime later? How can Mel rezzie him while he is warged “he” is not there to bring back to life.
I am going with the few who think that the reason Davos is apologizing for what they are going to see is because Mel THINKS she has to sacrifice herself to rezzie Jon and has Davos do it while the others are there as witnesses to it. The upshot being that Jon does come back as the door breaks in.
My fantasy line from that point when the Mean Brothers see Jon sit up is “he can’t be alive, we killed him, I saw it”. Thereby blowing any cover for all the conspirators and as the red queen says…OFF WITH THEIR HEADS.
Kargaryen,
Oh yes!
Stannis killing scene?
Ginevra, Actually the lifespan of a modern horse is 18-22 (25-30 is an old horse, more than thirty is starting to get rare. I just had a 40 year old mare pass away and she was the only one I’d ever known who was over 35). I imagine it’s even shorter for a horse in medieval times. But you’re right about Ice Horses–they can last the long night.
ctid,
I would never have guessed that, thanks. Was that all they had to eat at the time? I’d be craving some protein big time lol, especially during a seige.
JCDavis,
“I am going with the few who think that the reason Davos is apologizing for what they are going to see is because Mel THINKS she has to sacrifice herself to rezzie Jon and has Davos do it”
The problem with that is he says “I’m not much of a fighter” or something along those lines before he apologizes. I can’t see how those words would fit in with Davos about to sacrifice Mel.
Mihnea,
I think it is pretty safe (but not completely) to say that Davos will be the next LC. There is something in the last scene of the trailer that makes me think of him as the first Westerosi who will meet the Night’s King for a fight before the inevitable destruction of the Wall. Therefore, I don’t believe that his character will be so brutally treated on the Bolton cross. On the other side Mel’s future is hard to predict. Everything points to the possibility that this season will be her last one and that she will be the major and most shocking loss in the first part of the season. If this is the case then it remains to see how Arya and Mel will meet again and under what circumstances will Mel walk in the crypts of WF.
How come her ring did not melt in funeral fire.
Deesensfan,
I don’t know if it’s him, but pretty sure after watching the whole trailer he isn’t dead, at least not yet:(
Melisandre would not think that on the show: she knows that Thoros revived Beric multiple times without sacrificing himself. One thing that the books strongly imply is that Melisandre is unusually good at channeling R’hllor and that she also is unusually knowledgable about what R’hllor can do and how to get him to do it. There was the idea that has some loose support that Melisandre actually is very, very old.
Davos has a wife somewhere. Why would he give up his married life? (In the books, he still has a few dozen kids running around, too.)
Ah, thanks! I did not know that! Of course, big mammals generally can live a while, but for some reason I was thinking 10 years or so: so if Benjen’s horse was “middle aged” at the time, then he/she could well be dead of old age a few years later. OK, then Benjen’s horse could easily still be alive and well.
Um, remind me: why did we care about that?
Elizabeth,
Pretty obvious from the hair that it’s
Ygritte,
There had been so many comments (I read them all), that I found nothing new to say, that’s why you hadn’t “seen” me. I liked the releasing of the trailer (release the dragons!) on 8th of March (a day which I hadn’t liked much before, due to unpleasant memories), this year it was perfect, it seemed as if it were a present for the female audience. I’m the most interested in the Tower of Joy (I hope to see Lyanna and recognize some family resemblance) and the scenes with Ned and his siblings in their childhood.
I’m not worried for Jon at all, I’m sure Kit has been trying to convince the audience that he’s “dead, dead, dead” and somehow show the journalists he’s not going to say anything more, no matter how much they might bother him. Now, post-trailer, I think that Davos will slay Mel with Longclaw to resurrect Jon. I felt sorry for her for a moment (that broken, depressed look) then I remembered it was the same woman who convinced Stannis to burn his lovely daughter alive – just because the mighty priestess hadn’t been smart enough to decode some visions properly.
For me Downton Abbey had its final episode last year. I was glad that everything was arranged so well for everybody. I was sad for not seeing them anymore, but I’m glad they finished the series before becoming boring or unbelievable.
Lulus Mum,
Hi, dear!
*waves back* Glad to see your donkey ears again, but now they are attached to a penguin!
ghost of winterfell,
Nah, it’s another NW guy – you can see him more clearly earlier in the same scene:
http://i.imgur.com/MqXSlvA.jpg
In the books, we do learn that experienced wargs know how to “jump” into an animal before they die for something that they call the second life. We read two examples of it, although we do not realize it the first time we read it. In the example where we read it happening as a PoV, the dying warg leaps into one of his wolves that is nowhere near him. Moreover, he spends a bit of time trying to decide who to pick because once you do it, you cannot jump to a new animal.
That chapter also provides us with an insight into what the second life is like. The PoV warg in question had taken over someone else’s “second life” animal. The original warg’s mind was not in the animal: but the remnants of the wargs emotions (particularly a deep hatred of a particular protagonist!) did remain. The wargs themselves see the second life as a “simpler” one, as they basically are watching the world through the animal at that point with simpler thoughts and wants at that point. Moreover, they know that the warg rapidly fades into the animal. (Both book and show tell us that this can happen while a ward is still alive if he/she spends too much time in an animal.) It does seem that the imprint lasts a very long time, however: Bran is able to recognize a second life wolf as well as birds that were used by Tree Gods (which seems to be a variant of the same power).
The upshot is that had Jon been an experienced warg, then he might have been able to do this. However, had Jon done this, then he also would have been pretty much lost: some emotional core of his being would be left in Ghost, but he would not be able to think at human levels anymore. And as we learn from Bran, wargs have to be very experienced to strongly influence the animals with which they are linked: otherwise, they just sort of watch what the animal does with the comprehension of the animal. (The world gets a lot smellier!)
While Henry Gordon would not be tempted to leave his Mrs. Jago, it’s probably not going to be too hard to find plenty of husbands who would run to the watch.
BECAUSE IT IS OF THE SILVER OF OLD VALYRIA AND IT SWEARS TO YOU THAT THOSE WHO WOULD HARM YOU WILL DIE SCREAMING.
… Or something.
heh, I would not count on it: family resemblance never is a much of a consideration when they choose actors for parts!
But, again, sacrifice is not required for revival. And Davos is not a servant of R’hllor!
As for Melisandre not being “smart enough” to decode R’hllor’s cryptic messages, she actually does a good job given what she knows. Unfortunately, she is not omniscient: had she known about, say, Daeny, then she might have realized that someone fit the prophecy better than did Stannis: but it seems that she does not know the details of Daeny’s history. (As she is not from Westeros, there really is no reason why she would.)
Besides: who better to throw red herrings at people than R’hllor? 😀
He’s visible for a very short moment at 1:21 – amidst the wildlings’ attack…
Wimsey,
Well for the reason that he hasn’t for the last 4 seasons expressed the unquenchable desire to go back to his wife and start playing it the good husband and dad (does he have more children? I don’t remember a reference of the existence of more children in the show!) It is his pirate friend Salandhor who reminded us of the existence of his wife not Davos himself and we have seen a son who perished in the battle of Blackwater. So at this point of the story I do not see Davos following an urge to become a family man. Besides someone has to be the last LC before the Wall’s fall. So I bet on him. I am not saying it will be him.
Henry Gordon,
I can understand that you woudn’t leave that special lady of yours, but I’m sure that Mrs. Seaworth is not as beautiful as Mrs. Jago.
As I can see it, this thread is rolling towards 1000, so, if it reaches that far, I’d be delighted to receive another recipe from the already famous cookbook. I’m sure others will join me in this wish.
Wimsey,
Yes, exactly. And as I said….on the other examples…they did not jump back to their dead body…they assumed the wolf they jumped into.
For Mel. She is baring her chest once again and this time I don’t think it has to do with seduction. I think she is now so unsure of herself (it was all lies) that who knows what she will do…she may feel responsible for Jon’s death and offer herself. I don’t know, we will find out what that is about.
Elizabeth,
You think he is not deadd dead based on the trailer? How? I think he is
Kasra Kalantari,
Now this is interesting – I wasn’t aware that these are actually two different scenes.
Even if the person in the first scene is Brienne too (I’m quite sure it’s her armor), it is clearly NOT the same scene – in the second part her armor is totally clean, and it indeed seems to be the continuation of the unfinished Stannis killing scene from S05E10!
Wimsey,
It’s true that there is little resemblance in the Stark family, but I was amazed to see the actors cast for the Tarlys. There’s a clear resemblance between John Bradley and the actresses who play his mother and sister. His brother seemed like a younger, slim version of his. Even Pilou looks a lot like Alfie, therefore some fans wondered whether Euron is actually Theon’s father.
Indeed, Mrs. J is a paragon of pulchritudinous perfection whose affections I much enjoy. Though I’m sure if she were offered the opportunity to banish Henry Gordon to the Wall, she might be sorely tempted!
1000, you say? *steps to lectern, clears throat, and begins filibuster*
It’s late spring where HG lives, and the box contains a recipe in grandma’s handwriting entitled “shortcake”…
…So, the woman who is always warning people of how dark the night is, has a dark night of the soul of her own!
Jorah is looking very weathered. I would recommend sunscreen, but I think that ship has sailed.
I am so disappointed in Jaime; actually, I knew he was a bad dude. He has decided to initiate full self-destruct sequence. I was hoping he’d try to save what he has left…that is, his last child. Cersai didn’t intend for any of her children to fall in love and have lives of their own separate and apart from her. Then, she sent Tommen down into the streets to face a hostile populace and the faith militant with only a few guards. Does anyone really believe she loves her children?
Anon,
THANK YOU
that b%^&(* needs to die
And Jamie too, if in fact he has gone back into her arms.
We know that Davos puts Stannis above his wife: Stannis is, after all, Davos’ god. We have no reason to think that Davos would put the Watch over his wife. At least once in the show he says that he’d be with her save for duty to Stannis, and he thinks that multiple times in the books. But, you know, gods….
Maybe it’s Naked Miracle Day? Or perhaps she’ll jump Jon after he’s been revived to sort of get Jon’s gears going. Or maybe she’s just taking a bath, or squirming in discomfort at wearing this new “brassiere” thing that Wildling women invented. Or perhaps it is strip poker night at the Wall, which would be a really quick game in this world because nobody wears undergarments.
Really? I did not see much resemblance, but maybe that is just me. When it happens, that is great, but it also is pure luck. After all, the pool of actors and actresses is so small that productions simply cannot use this as a criterion for choosing people.
Ghost’s hair is standing on end: I don’t think that happens on dead canines. (Of course, the production crew might not know that.)
Blame Qyburn and his I-wonder-what-happens-if-I-do-this ‘experiments’. Still I can now hear conversations from several miles away, as well as the obvious advantages of being a pengicopter 😀
Looking through the pictures again, for the millionth time, and had a funny thought. Qyburn said that The Mountain would still be strong, but could be different. What if he is a really sweet guy now who won’t fight/doesn’t want to hurt anyone?? :p He could be standing in front of the HS asking for forgiveness. What would Cersei do? lol
Mihnea,
Davos protecting (and apologizing to Sansa) Sounds damn good to me. The hand on Jon’s eyes is female with no rings. Either Melisandre or Sansa. This makes a ton of sense if Sansa is there why Allister is trying to take her by force.
Wimsey,
Who just passed away the same day the trailer was released
Who? Are you talking about the 5th Beatle, Sir George Martin?
Newbietothegame,
Yes: that is what started this whole part of the thread a few hundred posts ago!
GRRM has something about this in his blog: it seems that some people thought that he had died! However, he does not mention that he goes by George RR to avoid confusion with the music priducer. So, maybe this is a “usually it is because” explanation that morphed into a “because” explanation. Somewhere, the Grimms brothers smile…..
No, that is his left hand (unless they mirror-flipped the image). And it looks like the fingers are just curled inwards, as muscles contract when you’re deader than a doornail (fingers don’t extend straight out). Phew!
Warginfortheweekend,
?? There is no indication that Sansa is there. Davos seems to be apologizing to Edd and Loyalist A.
When Thoros was describing to Melisandre the first time he resurrected Beric, he said “he was my friend.”
This brings me to a question…why would Davos be saving Jon’s body for Melisandre to resurrect when Davos, at least as far as we know, has no way of knowing what happened with Thoros and Beric. Why would he have any reason to think Melisandre would have the power of resurrection? It seems clear Davos is guarding/protecting Jon’s body, but I can’t imagine it would be specifically for Melisandre to resurrect him, unless it’s just one of those…I’ve seen her birth a shadow baby, so maybe she can do something. Along these same lines, why would Davos trust her? Sure, we don’t know if she’s already had the crisis of faith conversation, which, yes, could soften Davos toward her, but even if he doesn’t know the details, yet, he does know her predictions were false, and Stannis is likely dead (that’s not me questioning whether Stannis is really dead, that’s just acknowledging all we know Davos knows, thus far, is the way Melisandre shook her head when she returned to Castle Black, last season).
Wimsey,
I was a bit perplexed, because it was handled upthread. Why was this brought up again? GRRM is not dead. End of discussion. Sigh…
HereBeDragons,
What do you mean by Jon not having the ability to warg in the books? Jon may not fully embrace his warging abilities and he may even fear them but a warg he is. Varamyr Sixskins straight up says that Jon is a strong warg but that he is unaware of his capabilities, he says that he knew what Jon was the moment he saw him with Ghost. And we’ve seen Jon warg in the books, he spied on the wildings by warging Ghost, he has felt hot blood filled his mouth when Ghost has gone hunting. He was even able to see Bran through Ghost. Jon may not be a skin changer, meaning he may not have Bran’s and Arya’s ability to take control of various animals, but a warg he is.
Newbietothegame,
I posted a link this morning about GRRM vs GM
lol
Pigeon,
Hope so!
I was afraid that might be Davos..
scififantasygirl,
What would you think of Davos taking revenge on Mel? For Shireen’s burning…
Davos will use Longclaw, Jon’s sword, and drive it through Melisandre’s heart. This will fulfill the following prophecy and the resurrection of Jon Snow: According to prophecy, in ancient books of Asshai[3] from over five thousand years ago, Azor Ahai is to be reborn again as a champion sent by R’hllor.[6] This will occur after a long summer when an evil, cold darkness descends upon the world.[3] It is said that wielding Lightbringer once again, Azor Ahai will stand against the Others and if he fails, the world fails with him,
Wimsey,
If he followed a one-dimensional type like Stannis then we have all the reasons to believe that he will probably prioritise Westeros defence and serve the Realm in its most difficult time.
Pigeon,
You got a new siggie!! *waves*
*Kermit-flail waves back* 😀
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Neither Mel not Thoros have the power: R’hllor does. The issue is going to be whether this entity wants Jon back. Given that we have reason to suspect that it has been trying to get Mel to Jon all along, this seems very possible.
Joffreysbleedingeyes,
Isaac Hempstead-Wright
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Excellent questions!
Davos’ role – and his motivations – will be an intriguing element of S6. He knew that Stannis believed in Jon (“he sees something in you”, paraphrasing) but is that enough for him to put his life on the line for him? And yes, why trust Mel?
Danny,
No, Varamyr does NOT say that. Varamyr notes that theability is strong in Jon, but that Jon not only was not developing his talent, Jon was resisting it. It is like someone lamenting a naturally gifted athlete or musician who does not develop his/her gifts. Jon could be a powerful warg: but he is not bothering to do so.
Bran shows us what is involved. He goes from just having wolf dreams to accidentally slipping into Summer’s mind to deliberately slipping into Summer’s mind. Bran basically is working on it for the first four seasons: but he still is not at a point where he could (say) hunt through Summer and get Summer to bring them back meat. (Bran keeps forgetting that he is Bran while in Summer.)
Varamyr recounts that he actively trained to hone his warg skills. Bran seems to work out a lot in his own through repeated trying: but it is quite possible that there is a lot more he could do if he knew to (and how to) try. And Jon never even tries to do any of that.
Could the part where Bran sees the Night King be a vision to learn more about them? i remember being told that we will learn more about the White Walkers in the Land of Always Winter. That could be it. We might actually hear the White Walkers talk for the first time……
dothrakian raven,
I think that Davos followed Stannis out of genuine affection and respect despite Stannis’ single dimension. It is not clear to me how he sees his own duty to the Realm when it stops being duty to Stannis. (That is a good question, really.)
Connor,
Either that, or Bran can communicate with the NK through the Weirnet. Either way, we are going to finally learn things about them.
Oh, man, the hype is real. I really hope we will finally hear them speak.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
It is true that there must happen something which will alarm Davos as to Jon’s importance and the possibility of him being brought back by Mel. So far we have no other indication than Mel’s breaking down in front of Davos. It is very possible that in this discussion she will tell him all about Thoros and Dondarion then I think that Ghost will give signals making Davos realise that there is something more about Jon. But yes from Jon’s abandoned corpse in the backyard to the sudden interest for obtaining his corpse there is a gap to be filled. I wonder if Sansa comes to the Wall and her presence plays a role in the events that will follow.
Deesensfan,
Oh…die, they will! There is no doubt about that. It’s too bad that they mean to take everyone with them.
Wimsey,
Connor,
Sorry to harp on but I think that is Isaac Hempstead-Wright playing both parts, Bran and The NK in the video we see and that it is definitely a possible future Bran is seeing.
Wimsey,
The fact that Jon does not try to slip into Ghost’s skin doesn’t make him less of a warg. Jon (and Arya, too) are wargs. They both manage to use their wolf/cat’s senses while awake (and remaining conscious) – I can’t remember Bran ever doing that.
I think there are 3 stages of warging:
1) wolf-dreams: Bran, Arya and Jon all had those. It seems to be the very first sign of being a warg.
2) slipping his skin into the wolf (so becoming unconscious) – Bran does that, with Summer, Hodor and a raven as well. (and a ww tree)
3) using the animal’s senses while awake: Arya and Jon are doing that. I can’t remember Bran ever doing that, but I might be wrong.
Varamyr could do all 3.
Jon basically spends the whole of the 5th book warging Ghost (Nr 3), it is noted that he feels more and more often that he and Ghost are the same. Jon smells and tastes through Ghost, and also feels Ghost’s hunger. He doesn’t do that on purpose, it just keeps happening to him, and he clearly accepts that, even though he never tries to force himself upon Ghost.
Arya never has that with her wolf, but can see through the cat’s eye. It is not clear, whether she does that on purpose, or it just happened to her while the KOM was beating her.
Sidenote:
A warg is a skinchanger who connects with a wolf. So every warg is a skinchanger but not every skinchanger is a warg. Jon is a warg, Bran and Arya (and Varamyr) are wargs AND skinchangers. Orell was a skinchanger, but not a warg.
Manderly's Assistant Baker,
I thought that would be positive, no – turning her into a lesbian? A woman kissing another woman is “manly”?
It has been established that the Starks and their wolves seem to be different from say Varamyr.
Their wolves are ‘half of themselves’ (which explains a lot about when they are both in and out of them). Even Sansa’s Septa noted that her behaviour was different when it came to lady. Plenty was said about Robb and Greywind. And their wolves died off before they could get to the stage of Jon & Arya. The Stark’s & the wolves personalities were clearly linked.
Jon and Arya are able to pick up on the emotions of their wolves when not in them when we last read them, and if I recall Jon could even tell where Ghost was sensing the rest of the pack when he was not even in the body. By that stage he does not seem to be extremely resistant. The fact that there’s a bond between the Stark wolves and not Varamyr’s animals seem to be notable as well.
A good example is Sansa hearing ‘a ghost wolf howling’, implying that lady is still part of her. She’s a useful example of the bond as she’s the only one that’s alive without their wolf also being alive. Greywind would have been interesting to examine but he died with Robb. And obviously we’ll have to wait for S6/TWOW to see Ghost without Jon.
I do think that they’ll skip Jon warging while dead in the show, but the Starks do seem to be quite different from Varamyr.
I wonder if the fact that the wolves are already ‘half of them’ means that they are less likely to lose themselves while warged (though it definitely is still possible) or perhaps that their personalities themselves will become more ‘wolfish’ (bad pun sorry)
Aszusz,
You are equating being athletic with being an athlete. Jon has the ability to warg. However, we cannot call Jon a warg in the same way that we can call Bran or Varamyr wargs: although Jon has the ability to do things, he does not know how to do them. That is a big difference. Jon could (in Varamyr’s opinion) become a great warg; Jon is (so far) choosing not to do that. Moreover, Jon never is being exposed to whatever Varamyr’s mentor taught him in Varamyr’s training. (It is quite probable that there is a lot more to warging than Bran has accidentally learned.) Jon is to Varamyr what an athletic non-athlete is to an athlete: and just as we should not expect that athletic non-athlete to have the same abilities as the athlete, we should not expect Jon to be able to do the same things as Varamyr.
One thing I do suspect is that Book!Jon’s return is going to be the thing that gets him started on actual warging. Both Bran and Book!Arya took big steps forward following physical traumas, and I suspect that this will be key. For example, he might have particularly strong wolf-dreams after he is revived if he is in a delirium for a stretch of time. (That’s a common trope when people “regenerate,” but also not uncommon when real people wake from comas.) However, the one thing that makes me think that they won’t do this on the show is the fact that Weiss actually joked about it in public: if they were going to do it, then he would have let the issue slide past without comment.
In all the fuss about finally learning who Jon’s mother is, we are forgetting that we might be getting the answer (or part of the answer) to an equally old question: what is the Others’ deal? Whether it’s Bran seeing an old Night’s King in the past, the current Night’s King in the past, or the current Night’s King via WeirSkpe, we (probably) are finally going to get some answers.
Hopefully we might start learning about what R’hllor is, too, and what its bag is. If that thing means “good” the way that Melisandre believes, then I’m a hobbit. And I’m not a hobbit….
I do not know how we can say that. From what we learn of other wargs, many of them are like the Starks as almost “pet and owner converging” models. It might well be that the Starks are like “monogamous” wargs whereas Varamyr and other “polygamous” wargs do not become wolfish or bearish or cattish because the different animals are pulling them in different directions. (Varamyr’s mentor was big on species “monogamy” and basically preached warging only with canines: other animals created all sorts of problems in his mind!)
Rusted,
Are you telling me that medieval times were a feminist utopia?
Wimsey,
http://www.instagram.com/p/BCym7w9MeMa/
A comparison of the NK and Bran.
Wimsey,
Yes, but we also learn that animals seem resistant to being warged into. And that animals that have been warged into previously are easier to warg into. But with the Starks wolves, they were clearly MEANT for the Starks, and the whole pack was bonded (though we see haven’t seen just how far this could potentially go, not only is Lady and Greywind’s absence noted – but the fact that Summer is beyond the Wall and Nymeria’s pack are acknowledged).
Long time fan of the books and show and quite literally the “watcher” (Finger pistols cocked…) on this amazing site. Well I need to say my vows….ahem
HODOR!!!
(Hmm… Yeah that is a lot more awkward than reading the countless random HoD-Ring’s)
But a thought came to mind as I was listening to the G of Owns trailer analysis. And this was one of those little “bing”-piphany moments while I was considering all the D&D antics surrounding Snow. (Which has seriously been like when my mom would respond “We’ll See” to me wanting something as a child….) Anyway, given that my thought was Do we know for sure that is Daavos saying “He’s Dead” at the beginning. Or could it be that it’s an Ironborn/Crow’s Eye quote? In this way D&D play peekaboo with us again with Jon?
Sorry if this has been proposed already as this is my first time supporting the bottom.
May the Crone light your way to wisdom My Lords.
Sullied by Knight,
Looking through the pictures again, for the millionth time, and had a funny thought. Qyburn said that The Mountain would still be strong, but could be different. What if he is a really sweet guy now who won’t fight/doesn’t want to hurt anyone?? :p He could be standing in front of the HS asking for forgiveness. What would Cersei do? lol
Under that helmet he looks like Blaster from Mad Max beyond Thunderdome.
Hah! Quite interesting and quite loaded. I am quite curious regarding the ultimate agenda of BR and the CotF and the overall purpose/safety of weirnet central. What is Bran really learning? Do you think Bran is safe? Hah!
You’re right, hadn’t thought about that.. but my first thought was that he was protecting Jon as well .. I’d hate to see them kill Ghost.. .. I think it makes sense that Ghost will help them escape this situation since Ghost is likely not very happy that his companion has been killed.
Anon,
…. Obviously not?
Me saying that people have it wrong when they assume women were being raped all the time, and that they had no rights, that the amount of women that had power was few (so we should in essence be grateful for the ones have in GoT and shut up) does not mean that women were treated perfectly.
Women often inherited their husbands estates. They could own, rent and buy land. They could hire workers. they could have jobs and were paid roughly 75% of what men were paid. They could refuse to marry/ask for divorce on grounds of abuse, rape, adultery. They could be midwives, nurses and abbesses. Peasant men and women up until the late middle ages had more or less equal rights (which unfortunately was not too many). Women could sue for rape. Women wrote books on women’s health issues. Widow women that inherited had quite a lot of freedom, and could basically do as they pleased (even to the detriment of others at times), most of them chose not to marry again. Sex before marriage almost always happened. There were same-sex marriages, (and same-sex ‘partnerships’ ala Nero who had TWO), priests married (even occasionally SAME-SEX priests). Women were considered ‘separate but equal’, marriages were equal but they had different roles. Women were taught democracy to discourage their husbands from war. They were taught basic skill with plain weapons (to protect the home when husbands were away/for hunting). Husband and wife both often had partners outside the relationship. Women were allowed to leave their marriage if their husbands did not want sexual relations with them. Honestly I could go on, but it’s late maybe tomorrow if you aren’t sated already.
There were unfairnesses though..
As I’ve stated already the more the Catholic Church came into power, the more rights women lost. By the end of the late middle ages peasant women’s lives were usually a mix of what her father, brothers and husband wanted. Higher status women still did have quite a bit of power though (but some of them used this AGAINST the peasant women). The Church wanted nuclear families and wanted to cut down on extended families. In the 1300’s Thomas of Aquinas stated that homosexuality was unnatural (priests had stopped marrying and taking male lovers by this point..mostly). They cut down on polygamy, homosexualitly, and introduced their idea of marriage. Beforehand it had been a loose term, but with the new one women’s rights were gradually cut down on. Eventually women (and later men) were told no partners outside marriage (forgot to add that beforehand they had to be more careful they did not become pregnant with lovers children – though based on what we know now it likely happened often). And later men were basically allowed to rape their wives and have it considered not rape (this WAS NOT ALLOWED BEFORE, contrary to popular belief). Their roles became reduced and their pay was cut down on.
I think it’s important that modern women do not forgot the struggle of women in the past, but likewise we should not make out that some things were worse than they were – because all too frequently this is used to deny us more rights now. ‘The women of the past did not have _ and _, so you should be grateful for what you get now, you have so much more than they did’. And also to deny representation in historical settings, this is bad because it ignores the tributes women have made in history and some of the harmful misconceptions affect us in the modern day. Media does not affect people’s actions, but it DOES affect their opinions (and as an aside, those opinions can be encouraged in already violent people).
My suspicion is that if it were very vulnerable, then the Walkers would have taken it out already.
However, there can be a lot of other dangers to Bran in there. For example, Hempstead-Wright mentioned that his season is going to be “Inductiony” (or something like that). Is there the danger of Bran getting lost in the memories? If the NK can also access the Weirnet (which is pure speculation on our part), then could he set up some sort of “trap” for Bran? Or suppose that the Children’s relationship with Humanity is like that of (probably) the Umbers to the Boltons: i.e., we’ll team up with you against the bigger threat, but all the while we are working so that when that enemy is defeated, we can get payback against you. (I know that you’ve espoused similar ideas.) If Bran gets wind of that, well, that could cause problems. Moreover, we know in the books that R’hllor’s followers see the Old Gods as evil and in league with the Great Other: so, that could set up complications that could effect Bran.
It could well be that the “Great Game” (to quote Tyrion) is played at all levels, and the wise fight this war with an eye towards the next war: against a current ally. I suspect that the Children are on the same side as the humans against the Walkers, but after that, then it’s every species (or subspecies) for itself.
Looking at the giant wall of text makes me so tired. Honestly, I really wish that I would only have had to write ONE comment on why ‘historical accuracy’ is used as an argument for the reason why some things have happened with the ladies.. when it is ironically INACCURATE. Why do people have to keep arguing the point and putting words in my mouth? And obviously I’m going to make my point if asked to again.
I also don’t think that they HAVE to have great female representation or that they HAVE to be accurate, if they don’t want to (though that would be allowed to be called sexist) and they said ‘we don’t feel like it’. But they say ‘accuracy’ and I think they actually believe it, I don’t think they are doing it because they feel like it. Which is the only reason I’m pointing out some of their facts are wrong, and in general a lot of historical shows have made this mistake. You’d see me complaining if every women had zero problems, and was in charge as well. On a different site I wrote a minor sentence and someone accused me of wanting it to be like that terrible Shannara show – which NO. It’s bad, terribly written, inaccurate, cheesy and tropey as hell.
I even defended the Yara thing, as I hope their intentions are good. My main point was literally just ‘I hope they’ve taken note of some of the talk and decided to take a closer look at the way they write women’ and that if they do.. my feeling on the series as a whole which be drastically different.
If you’ve read my comments you’d see I don’t think they’re sexist, and am offering honest critique. And a lot of the criticism of the show (and often the book too depending on where) is instantly derided, but particularly when it comes to diversity.
Even the replies to my own comments show this, I wanted to talk about other stuff but most of my replies about was the lady stuff, it also wasn’t usually healthy discussion either, just derision. My comments have gotten longer and longer in response (and unedited with terrible spelling mistakes but alas) it’s not like I’m coming out with new information. These are simple facts that are in plain history books (though I should add some ARE more specialised and expensive as a result).
Tbh, all I really wanted to talk about was Bran and his visions, when Jon and Sansa would meet, and the possibility of Arya warging this season.
Sounds good! I’m almost positive that Bran and the NK are meeting in a gay bar, myself. I don’t think Arya will warg, not because she’s not capable, but because the animals all are sexists who won’t bond with women. Arya is going to go in a killing spree that creates a huge endangered species list in Essos after that, leaving her both a role model for empowered women and a target for tree huggers. Sansa is going to meet up with Jon about mid-season; however, Jon is going to make things hard by deciding that he is the oldest living Stark (claiming that he remembers taking Stannis’ offer) and therefore Sansa is more or less his property, and in an attempt to make peace, he’ll force her into a marriage with the Night King. Unfortunately, the Night King will announce his true feelings (for Bran: it was quite a night at the bar) at the wedding, leading to the High Sparrow to leap off of Littlefinger’s Night Fury dragon (that’s how he gets around so quickly) and denounce them as sodomites, tree-huggers and socialists. Sansa, meanwhile, will just completely lose it at this and knife Jon repeatedly: leaving the season to end with Melisandre shucking her dress and saying: “well! here we go again!”
Thoughts?
Wimsey,
Yes, given GRRM’s focus on ‘The Game’ i find it difficult to believe this won’t at least bleed into other aspects of the story. The CotF and the Red God and mostly come off pretty ambiguous so far, and even if they are benevolent they have agents working for them that have intentions of their own.
I do fear for Bran while he’s in there. Plus, there’s the horrifying (possibly likely?) thought that he could be shown things that are false entirely – to disastrous results. I did find it notable that BR said to Bran that Ned could not hear him etc, but Ned looked all the same and Theon definitely heard him (yep, I know there’s a difference Theon was in the present).
I’ve seen thoughts on how likely it is that the Starks have blood from the CotF in them, but I’m unsure how to feel about that.
If there’s a way for Bran to be used by ‘bad’ forces that would be lethal to Westeros, he seems to continue to grow in power but great amounts.
As bad as it would be, from a narrative perspective it opens up all sorts of interesting possibilities if the NK can see Bran. Though if some speculation is right and Bran is the future NK, then he would essentially be fighting himself.
I am not sure that the Red God is “ambiguous.” Something that grants its followers power in exchange for them sacrificing key figures in human hierarchical structure should raise major (dare I write?) red (yup, I dared) flags. And something that seems to take a “you are with me or you are against me” approach should raise similar flags. Yes, it dislikes the White Walkers: but I’m betting that, in the end, a lot of us are going to think that R’hllor is a lot worse than the White Walkers. (As for myself, the one tin-hat conspiracy theory notion that I like is that R’hllor is what is left of Azor Ahai, and he wants revenge against all of the parties that left him in this hellish limbo in which he exists. And the best part is that the satellites cannot scan my mind right now….)
Since we are getting a Tower of Joy flashback, has anyone been cast as Lyanna Stark? We will probably find out about Jons parentage during the flashback, so we should be seeing Lyanna.
Wimsey,
*sigh* seriously? Though I admit that was quite a funny read, it’s kind of what I meant about the ‘derision’ thing.
I hadn’t read this when I replied to your previous comment, but no matter. Hopefully you are still discussing the weirnet stuff.
I’m getting the impression that people seem to think I’m angry, but I’m really..not? It’s not really my style. I was more hoping to logically put forward why some people are frustrated. And as I’ve said I don’t think they’re sexist, and pointed out unfairness to women in the past myself (the only reason why I mentioned positive examples at first is fandom insists on saying everything was always the worst for women, when I tried to say otherwise people tried to make out that I thought it was all happiness and rainbows. Sensible reasoning anyone?).
Some of your examples.. I’m not sure who much you are being serious of what I’d think of them. I think the only one that has some basis of seriousness in it is the Arya thing. I don’t think it’s empowering at all, it’s very tragic and sad, and she clearly has psychological issues. If I don’t mention the male characters I enjoy in a post about (mostly) women’s history am I deemed a man-hater? I’m a little confused at that.
Anyway, that’s some very creative writing – and would probably make for a hilarious parody.
Rusted,
But, if there was unfairness, as you say, by the end of the late middle ages, then maybe George is drawing from that time period. And, I don’t think anyone believes that women were raped – literally – “all” the time, as you said in your first paragraph(not quoted above). I don’t think women are raped all the time in GoT. I think the rape everyone thinks of is the gang/mass rape at Craster’s. Then there was the attempted rape of Sansa at King’s Landing.
Maybe I’m tired. I can’t remember any other rapes.
Marauding gangs – during wartime instability – went around raping women(or so those men tell us in GoT) but, we never actually see these rapes occur…remember the convo between The Hound and Polliver about farmers having daughters hidden?
Oh yes, there was the Dothraki pillage and rape, but we never actually see the rapes occur.
I can’t remember any more.
Such humour. Much confuse.
Wimsey,
If we don’t get this as an outtake episode at the end of the series, I’m not gonna watch it anymore after that! *crosses arms*
I actually am the God of Parody, Sarcasm and Irony. I wanted Tits and Wine, but the God in front of me snagged that. (Oddly, he died of an odd combination of several unknown venereal diseases and an absolutely nuked liver…..)
Ahh yes, that is why I wrote ‘mostly’ and ‘even if’. I’ve always felt that R’hllor was more sinister than presented. But we don’t actually have much evidence of that. When (was it Mel? Or someone in Essos?) stated that R’hllor was the enemy of the Great Other etc, it did send up ‘red’ (ha!) flags for me.
But there’s nothing I can definitively point to and say ‘aha! EVIL!’, there likely (hopefully) never will, and I’d prefer it to be more subtle than that. While I do think they are a threat, it’s just a suspicion until we have clearer evidence that they are ‘a threat to humanity’ and not working on some kind of ‘sacrifice a few for the good of the many/necessary evil’ type deal.
Because there’s so much mystery surrounding the Gods. As for the Others, we know they’re killing people etc, but I’m betting on it being so much more complicated than what we know so far.
Oooh. I forgot to add – I have seen thought the Dothraki’s sun & moon being based in Nissa Nissa/Azor Ahai. And the tale about the two moons being based in that too, and that when moon ‘cracked’ (Nissa Nissa dying) the dragons were born. Either that or he was just drawing some delicious parallels.
Probably the latter but either way, I would not be surprised if your theory was true.
So, over on another thread we are wondering whether that is the bottom portion (two broken cuffs attached to chains) of the House Umber sigil on the flag behind Sansa.
Connor,
thats the one thing we WONT see before she is actually on screen..HBO isn giving that away…
I, for one, will be really disappointed by “evil.” Part of the reason why the tin-hat idea about it being the remnant of Azor Ahai is that it could be looking for revenge/justice for whatever happened long, long ago. That is nasty: but it’s hard to call it “evil” when it is such a natural reaction. Regardless, I do hope that we are presented with some motivations that make sense to us for the doings of the Walkers, R’hllor, Children, etc.
At any rate (and as I have posted before), it certainly seems to me that the SoI&F is a story about Damned If You Do/Damned if You Don’t Choices: both enduring them, and then living with their consequences. A lot of people foresee death and anarchy as the “bittersweet” ending that GRRM has promised: I foresee living casualties haunted by forever wondering if there could not have been another way.
But to get there, we need Jon, Daeny, Bran, Arya and Tyrion (and maybe Sansa) to know the why of the gods (except the Parody, Sarcasm and Irony one), and then sit betwixt and between as they try to make choices that (as they always have tried before) minimize the suffering all around.
(And then the entire cast goes on stage naked to sing Age of Aquarius.)
Winterfell.
http://gameofthronesstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Game-of-Thrones-Winterfell-Inside-Candles-Candelier-300×168.png
Pigeon,
😀
They raped Sansa for this fairy tale crap, glad I canceled HBO.
Wimsey,
Not to mention that BR/T-E-C’s motives are completely fkg unknown, and possibly nefarious.
Jeremy Podeswa, who will direct the first two episodes, told Yahoo that expectations are always high for the start of any season for the HBO hit series.
“But what’s great about this season is that there’s very little expository stuff. It starts off with a bang and you’re right into the excitement of the story,” he said.
The first episode to kick off with [Melisandre] – without saying anything again – is astonishing. There’s absolutely amazing stuff coming up, just so left of field. Just watching your and my favourite characters being put in these situations that are just so unpredictable and just so unexpected – it’s one of the trademarks of the show. – Liam Cunningham
You’ll see things in season six that have never quite made sense before – and now it will all start to tie up. Stories all start to come together to make sense. I know we say this every season, but this series sees everything get bigger and bigger and bigger.
interesting, i’m not really sure what happens in this season or how it starts off, but I have a feeling we will be glued to or seats. Does jon snow Warg ? does Mel look into her flames once more ? Will Mel get davos and hide the body at the start of the season ? who will find Jon snow first ? Do the traitors kill ghost ? so many possibilities to really predict anything.
Ileana,
Awww don’t worry i’ll give you a hug.
maester blaster,
I agree on the armor; it’s definitely a Kingsguard. Even if you look at Jaime’s armor from S1 to S4, it’s significantly different. S1’s armor is more white whereas by S4 it was more gold.
Wimsey,
Hilarious!!! Bran & NK meeting in a gay bar.
Rusted,
Yeah mo’ church = mo’ problems. Probably a bit reductive, but not much.
To what you’re really interested in-do we really think the weir-net goes to the future?
The next trailer should open with Ian McShane saying these words:
“They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous.”
I would happily give up any ToJ flashback and/or Dorne if it means we get to hear this.
I would also (happily) accept “The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
The hand resting on Jon’s body is Jon’s own hand.
Wimsey
Its ridiculous. Ghosts is definatly alive and standing at the head of the table and looking at Davos. This one is not difficult folks, look at the pictures. At this point, he’s huge, if he were laying down he would take up the entire table and there would be no space for Jon. Also, I believe we are looking at the last minutes of Alliser Thorn’s life. Rest assured, if Alliser Thorn does actually break through that door, he and his companion(s) will be dog food.
Yeah, we will probably see who it is when we see the Tower of Joy.
Sorry Wimsey, that last comment wasn’t made for you. I couldn’t get your name off. My bad.
No doubt that the first episode will be Jon’s resurrection.
It would not be a “give away.” The only people who would possibly get who she is are people like us who already know that she probably is going to be shown this year. Joe and Jane Viewer will only dimly remember her: and the Tower of Joy scene will have to include enough exposition to (re?)-explain to the audience who she is.
Greenseers can see the future on their own, so their reminiscences of the future should be stored in the memory of trees. (I think that sentence includes 3 Enya album titles….)
Vegodread,
heh, no problem! Also, the shot of someone (?Edd) laying his hands on Jon’s head does not have Ghost immediately behind Jon; if Ghost was dead and placed above Jon in the other shot, then there is a high probability that he already would be dead and above Jon in that shot. However, a living Ghost would be able to move about.
On another note, is Bran wearing Night Watch garb to his bar date, er, encounter? The lighting might be making something dark look black, but the leather tunic sort of looks like what Jon and some other NW members wear.
Anyway, Bran is wearing more looks in this series than the Crowley women do in a Downton Abbey series.
One last comment from me – why would anyone think that there is a chandelier in the room where Sansa is standing. I have never seen a chandelier of any kind in the North. KL yes, the North no. That is a window over Sansa’s left shoulder. That same window is clearly seen over Davo’s right shoulder in the pictures when he onsheaths Long Claw. The only deference is, it’s night time.
mariamb,
Davos seems like a man who need someone he truly believes in to follow. I could see Davos putting enough stock in Stannis’ obvious respect for Jon (and, c’mon, if Stannis, of all people, respected Jon…saw something special in him…that’s saying alot) to choose to follow him. Davos being the way he is, he wouldn’t be doing it only for Jon, he would be doing it because he thought it was the right thing to do. So, yes, I think it’s plausible he would take great risks for him. That still leaves us with not only why trust Mel, why would he think she could resurrect him.
There’s definitely a big gap to be filled. Even with all you say, I still can’t see Davos choosing to trust Melisandre. I also don’t know that he’d believe, even if told the story of Thoros and Beric, he’d believe Mel could resurrect Jon. I’m not sure she’d believe she could. Maybe she said “that’s not possible” regarding Beric’s resurrection because she thought a priest as shitty as Thoros wouldn’t be able to do it, but I got a sense she couldn’t believe her own eyes. I don’t know. I’m certainly intrigued to see how it works. I’d said a while back I wasn’t sure Melisandre would even be the one to resurrect Jon, but maybe somehow Bran and BR were involved. I still think that’s a possibility, in part because I’m trying to leave myself open to all possibilities, since none of us know.
The TallBoy King of Ruddy Hall,
Welcome to the Wall!!! 🙂
I listened to “he’s gone” over and over, and the voice seems too gruff to be Davos’. Yes, it sounds a lot like him, but I’m not sure it is. Other have suggested it’s the Hounds voice. That extra gruff element makes me think that’s a very likely possibility. I do think they splice together images with voice-overs with the intention of making things ambiguous. For example, at first it seemed like Tyrion was talking to Sansa, given they showed her, then Tyrion said his line about the game. It’s highly, highly, highly unlikely he was saying that to Sansa, but on first watch, until one thinks, wait, how the hell could Tyrion be talking to Sansa, it sure seems like he’s saying it to her.
What wicked games they play. 🙂
dothrakian raven,
We know that
Having just watched that episode, it seemed partly shock that R’hllor would grant such power to as bad a priest as Thoros: it was sort of the peevishness of “Daddy isn’t supposed to let you drive the good car!” and Thoros’ retort was basically “Sorry, sis, but daddy did give me the car keys this time.” Part of the issue might well be that Melisandre feels that she is Red Daddy’s favorite child, and he certainly should not be giving power to a loser like Drunken Whoremonger over there.
The one part that seemed to truly shock Mel is that Beric had been brought back so many times: that is what she thought should not be possible. However, I took that as one of the annual signs that the “supernatural” is getting stronger these days”: like the Warlock’s magic, R’hllor’s powers might also be rising now that dragons are back.
Well, to beat the tired old drum, we do know what they’ve presented us so far and what has been given to us as possibilities so far: and that is a possibility that never has been given. They’ve avoided Deus ex Machina so far, so I would expect them to continue doing so.
Lulus Mum,
I swear I see Littlefinger in the reflection in Sansa’s eyeballs.
Exclusive Season 6 clip at SXSW tomorrow maybe…
“Okay. I’m not allowed to talk about it. But if you’re at SXSW and you’re a #GOT fan go see the exclusive clip at the Hall of Faces”
https://twitter.com/jowrotethis/status/708125451042983936
That definitely is something to bring up in your next therapy section.
That’s nice, Wimsey.
Wimsey,
Speculation on whether the fire man was Benjen on his horse is, I believe, why you wondered if the horse could be alive. The longest-living horse known was 62, and he lived in the 19th century. I’m no horse expert, but the consensus on Google, after looking at multiple sources, seems to be as low as 18-22 and as high as 25-30, that Wikipedia and other sources give. That is modern day, and so medieval and at the Wall could be a good bit less. Still, it is at least plausible that the horse lives.
I am certain Mrs J would never banish one who so sweetly sings her praises.
Vegodread,
There’s a chandelier at winterfell. I remember them putting candles in it in episode 1, when they’re preparing for Robert and his entourage. I don’t remember exactly, but it kind of looks like the one behind Sansa in the trailer.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
That is pretty inane.
Ah, right! But, then, his horse returned to Castle Black without him, so Benjen probably would not have it. (I am trying to remember why it mattered that it be Benjen’s horse in particular as opposed to a horse that Benjen is riding.)
Initially, I had thought that was a wight the horseman was riding down, but it occurs to me that wights never run away. They do not seem to have any sense of self-preservation, which is a common motif with zombies. So, it could be someone riding down a Wildling, or just someone in the North, or who knows what.
Wimsey,
Nope you gave it away you’re a fucking serial killer!
Glamour is a trinket used by various people like Melisandre or the Faceless Men to create an illusion and disguise the wearer of the glamour, something tells me we could be seeing this in season 6. I have absolutely no proof on this, it’s just a thought I had going through my head. I’m thinking maybe at some point in the story, Melisandre uses Glamour to Deceive the traitors.
That’s the problem though. I just don’t think that being a warg is equal to being an athlete, as you put it. Being a warg means IMO you have the ability and already showed it ( opening of the 3rd eye – 1st step, wolf dreams).
There are different things a warg can do. Even Bran did not do all 3. But he is learning, so he definitely has the potential. Arya has no idea what’s happening to her. Jon has a very good idea, he just doesn’t want to push it – and IMO it won’t less of a warg. He is talented, but not taught. But having the ability and doing stuff, even if accidently, means that he is a warg.
There was a leaked (possibly fake) script some time ago. According to it, Mel uses glamour to change a corpse into Jon, and that corpse will be put on the pyre. And sometime later it is revealed that Jon is still intact (and dead), and Mel tries to find out what to do.
I’m not sure it will happen like it, but it definitely would explain why Davos and some loyalists are hiding in a room with Jon’s body, and why Thorne and co want to break through that door. (they probably just found out that it wasn’t Jon’s body they’ve burnt)
JCDavis,
I think you’re right. She will feel responsible. And where she’s about to disrobe the look on her face is definitely not one of seduction but dread, of some kind. Carice had said she does something really big this season and quite awhile back there was some article which talked about a early season 6 character death. Not sure if it was described as “surprising” exactly, drawing a blank, but that’s the gist I got from it. All I know is if it is Mel I will miss her presence. She brings something to the show, a sort of bridge between the human and the fantasy elements.
Anon,
I used to believe she loved all her children but with Tommen it’s hard to tell. She sure hasn’t done well by him has she? Poor kid.
Wimsey,
So it could be Bran’s hand (s) that we actually see on Jon.
No. Those are the clothes he’s always worn —lately under the furs.
ghost of winterfell,
Yes I know. I am not talking about this season (although the BoB is on episode 9 and so we will have one more episode to settle matters) during which the circumstances are exceptional for everybody involved in the Wall politics. It seems that the Wall will inevitably fall and someone has to be LC at the time. If it isn’t Jon it has to be someone with invested respect, leadership and well known to the viewer. I cannot see anyone better for this role than Davos. And it would be exceptional if Davos comes face to face with NK. But this is a matter of next season and taking into account the puzzle that the Wall politics is at the moment it is not worth analyzing it further. My point is that I can not see Davos being sacrificed on the Bolton’s cross. It would be too cheap for a character that has come that long. Davos’s journey all the way to the Wall has the meaning to give him an opportunity to reflect on his failure as a father and as Stannis’ Hand. The Wall politics is the best way to resolve his disappointment and sense of failure in the figure of Jon who could very well be his son and who is a much better leader than Stannis. But my feeling is that Davos’ arc will come full circle when he will be on his own standing in front of the WW nightmare.
Now I think it sounds like Tormund saying He’s gone. Why would it be the Hound. Who would he say that about? And why is Mel wearing what looks to be a ragged fur cloak? It’s not her usual garb, and thought she never gets cold.
dothrakian raven,
Jon could be Davos’ son? Huh? I thought I’d heard all possible theories but this is a new one!
Ileana,
Why are you here? Bye!!
Davos is all about doing the right thing. He also understands that the threat beyond the Wall is real. That’s why I am so intrigued by his choices this season. I can’t think of anyone better to be entrusted with a decision about Jon’s life, death and resurrection. I’m fairly sure that there will be a price to be paid. It will be interesting to see who pays and what the price is.
And I, too, am leaving myself open to all possibilities. We actually know very little about how this will play out.
Jack Bauer 24,
So they are going to show a clip there??
omg.. jealous
dothrakian raven,
When you say Jon could very well be his son, I guess you don’t mean that literally? more like, Jon will grow to be like a son to Davos? Otherwise this will lead to new theories about his parentage 🙂 . My guess for Davos is that he and Jon will become a tag team going ahead, that he will go on to be Jon’s biggest adviser, sort of like how Dany has Tyrion. I feel Jon has inherited both Davos and Mel from Stannis and all the problems they bring along. As for who will be LC when the Wall falls, no idea, it could be Davos like you say. I definitely don’t see Alliser Thorne lasting very long after Jon’s resurrection.
Ygritte,
If that is the Hound speaking, then he is saying that about himself. Basically meaning that he has renounced his old ways of violence.
If you freeze frame it a few times, Ghost appears to be inhaling. His back moves up about a centimeter and the lighting on his fur shifts in a way consistent with him breathing and his chest expanding. In the high rez versions it is really clear to me.
https://goo.gl/photos/NxCAHgfZx43EvhhQ9
Ghost lives.
If you look at the gif so kindly provided by abyss, you’ll see that the figure is, indeed, running towards the horseman.
https://gfycat.com/AcademicEveryHagfish
The use of fire also supports the wight hypothesis, as you well know, wights are more flammable than petrol! 😀
Having looked at that gif for a while now, I’m intrigued by what’s hanging by the sides of the horse. Or is it just some sort of a blanket over the horse, flapping in the wind? Also, the rider seems to be wearing a hood, or perhaps have long hair, and it seems that he could be wearing some fur around his shoulders. You know, kind of like a NW cloak. The wight seems to be wearing wildling-type attire, but he could be a very recent wight.
I’m wondering if there will be a NW when the Wall falls. It could be gone by then (they’re down to what, less than 100 men now?) so no need for LC.
There are so many posts lately I don’t think anyone’s managed to keep track of what’s in all of them so, in case you haven’t seen this answer somewhere else:
Rygritte,
All I can see are Sansa’s pupils, but as I find LF to be one of the biggest villains in this story, an apparently empty black space is what I imagine you’d find if people had souls and you could photograph them! 😉
As for Mel in furs, others have suggested it’s because she has lost some, or all, of her faith/powers and the protection from the cold she said R’hllor gave her (I think when she was in the lift with Jon Snuuh in S5).
I remember now what I thought when last season ended and after I had read some on-line book discussion, that Mel could be the red star bleeding. So now, some think she might get sacrificed to raise Jon and think Davos might do it. I beleivr then, and still think now that she will possibly perform that, or at least some kind of ritual, on herself. This could be why she has such a pained expression in the photo. 🙁
fasads,
Here’s two thing to think about… before daario and jorah headed out to find dany, daario said they needed a tracker to help them (he was telling this to tyrion) so for sense, either he or jorah is a tracker. if they can track animal prints (here’s the 2nd thing to think about) lots of horses circled dany before dothraki took her. of course those horses would leave a track.. and since they circled her, dany’s position should definitely leave a mark… if they can track wild animals, how come they would miss a huge clue???
How they found the ring was not really a weird thing, what’s weird is how did they no she went there??? Dany’s monologue to drogon says drogon took her far away (must be near vaes dothrak somehow). Drogon carried her there. They FLEW. so even if they are an extremely good tracker, how can you track something that does not leave a track???
Ygritte,
Ygritte,
I am sorry, I meant Jon could have been Davos’ son… It can be tough sometimes to type what one really has in mind…
ghost of winterfell,
I saw your comment after I had answered to Ygritte’s comment. Could have been his son was what I wanted to write. You are right in that Jon and Davos could make a pair to match Dany and Tyrion. It sounds very symmetrical and I think that the show does not like this kind of symmetries… But as Nymeria said above Davos’ motives and thinking is one of S6 most intriguing and exciting plotlines.
talvikorppi,
Oh, that’s fantastic. Very clear. That poor stunt guy having a fire lantern swung right into his face/chest. Ouch.
talvikorppi,
The Wall will need to have a LC after Jon’s resurrection and Alistair’s demise. If Jon will focus on the BoB which is in ep9 then somebody has to stay behind and take care of the Wall. I am sure that not all of the Wildlings will go to the battle some of them will stay at the Wall and protect the Realm. So until WWs attack Jon, Davos and Tormund will almost certainly think about ways to keep the Wall functional as they are very well aware of the seriousness of the danger that the WWs make up. So somebody must be in charge as LC. The whole point of BoB is that Jon wants to bring together all the Westeros armies available against the danger of WWs and not to prove something about himself to Ramsay. Ramsay is an obstacle for his real aim. Jon has already realised (in any case before his death) what is at stake and he wants to save Westeros both from the WWs and from its own vicious, greedy and self-destructive self. In any case the Jon we got used to so far.
supposedly it was a major female character
Aethar,
He certainly looks like him:
http://i.picasion.com/pic81/fdbda17507f44d8357e40ae825d10805.gif
Rygritte,
Well according to this
http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&q=game%20of%20thrones
Carice is registered for both S6 1&2 episodes…. So apparently she is alive in the first two episodes…
Dragonshit. It is known.
It’s hard to make out any details in the gif, even with the cleaner versions that are now included, but here is a frame by frame look at the rider, maybe that helps you a little. 🙂
Haha. ?
Interesting! Why is Ellaria (and no one else from Dorne) in both the first and second episodes? Is this cast breakdown information correct?
Abyss,
All hail oh Lord of Gifs *bows*. Have you found a more high res version of the trailer than the 720 thingys* one on Youtube? My Photoshop finger is itchy for images it can really do something useful with! 😀
* Not sure what they measure it in but I know the higher the number the better quality the picture.
Does anyone know whether Cersei’s and/or Margaery’s trial will take place this season?
They are right. 100% certain. Sounds like both he & Arya will be broken down this season.
I think she realizes it makes her sad to be all alone, unloved, unable to defend herself & forget who she is & her family, especially because she was strong-minded, strong-willed, determined, & loved her family (Jon).
Re:Davos
Davos is stranded in the North because winter. He’s surrounded by amoral, dangerous strangers & joins Jon, Ghost, the loyalists, & Mel. Mel may tell him about Shireen in a moment of despair at which point she begins to disrobe & tells Davos to strike her down because she has nothing left to live for. Davos is a good man. He won’t do it like that. Then Jon happens & they all find their purpose again.
Jon’s location & Ghost’s presence make no sense. He wasn’t in Jon’s chamber in the last episode. If he was in his pen, he would have gone nuts. The shot doesn’t exactly match Jon’s chamber, but there are letters, Longclaw, & Ghost. Maybe Davos goes to Jon’s chamber & finds them all there. Alliser finds out & takes a couple of men there to demand the body & assert his new authority. Feeling in danger & extremely upset, Davos & co draw their swords. Alliser must not know Ghost is there & they all die.
Alternative:
Davos tells Mel what happened & she breaks down because everybody loves Jon. Mel disrobes to give a blood sacrifice to heal Jon or a NW rapist fathers a shadow baby. Everybody says Jon’s dead, but if his body is still warm, they may think there is some hope to save him. If he’s dead, Davos has seen things crawl out of nightmares. He saw Gendry’s leeches. He saw her survive poisoned wine & totally mind fuck Stannis the Mannis & his crazy wife. Davos knows Melly got game.
Abyss,
I just wanted you to know I posted your gifs link on another site (giving you credit, of course), and the feedback included “fuckin’ boss” and “amazeballs.” Yep, your legend continues to grow. Oh, and, as always, your titles cracked me up. I think “My Precious” was my favorite! 🙂
Thanks, again.
Also a belated thanks to all of you who grabbed and posted pictures from the trailer. The you time spent and work you put into it is so appreciated!!!
Rusted,
Are we at a point in society that we must destroy all art to ensure that it is P.C. at all times? Why can’t we just make the personal decision to like/dislike and keep to ourselves rather than impress our values on everyone.
This is a GOT/ASOIAF site, if you don’t like the show – or the books, why in the f*** are people here? I don’t want lectures on what the show needs to be to appease every person on the planet. Just don’t watch the show/read the books. Simple as that. Geez.
Only ones that (I think) are badly upscaled from 720p to 1080p. And then their is the general youtube problem of low bitrate, which can make the videos that are encoded there pretty “greasy” depending on the footage. If anybody knows a source for true 1080p GoT trailers do let me know!
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Always nice to hear that people like the gifs, but the truth is, the way I’m making them at the moment isn’t really all that optimal. I was caught a little of guard by the trailer release, other otherwise I would have tried a new more professional approach. Doesn’t get rid of the mediocrity of the source, but it should make the normal versions of the gifs look like the cleaner ones. We will see if it works out when the next trailer hits. 🙂
Kay,
The list comes from hbo.com and it includes only the main cast. Indira is the only one from Dorne who is part of the main cast.
That is unquestionably Liam Cunninghams voice. It’s not Rory’s. As a Scotsman, I can say with 100% confidence it is not Rory. Having the Hounds voice in the trailer would be a huge spoiler.
I honestly don’t get why you think this shot of Sansa is in the same room, with the same window from the Davos/Jon/Sam scenes. The only thing in common is that is in a relatively dark room with sunlight streaming through the window. There the similarly ends. You can clearly see the candelabra dangling behind Sansa to the right of the shot, and as someone else has shown, they have candelabras in the North (although WFs is way more grand). Sansa is also wearing a heavy fur mantle- a dead giveaway she’s still in the North.
Wimsey,
Thank you Wimsey. Your logic is impeccable and reassuring, I will hold on to it. But it still remains that who knows what D & D would do for shock value. But yay thanks.
Thanks for this! It’s clear (always was tbh) that the attacker is traveling toward the fire throwing dude. And why would he use fire as a weapon if it were a wildling when a sword or axe would do a much better job? It’s pretty obvious this is a Wight and this dude is either Benjen, Coldhands (or a TV amalgamation of both).
“He’s gone.”
This is DAVOS folks. I may not know much, but I know my voices.
It is known.
Apollo,
Mrs. Kingslayer,
Definitely not Rory, interesting as that would be. 🙂
Apollo,
Plus the House Umber sigil on the wall behind her…She’s North, in furs and with the Umbers.
Apollo,
I’ll take your word for it. I’m usually pretty good with voices, but certainly no expert. It was the gruffness to it that made me think maybe not Davos, but if he’s really upset, that would account for it.
I’m loving not knowing. Not only is it really fun to just let my mind go wherever it will and try to look at it from a variety of angles, I’m also enjoying not feeling like something has to happen a certain way. I think it will result in total immersion, instead of that little voice that says, no matter how much I love the show, “well, in the books…”
Has the tower of joy scene been confirmed?
Still hoping for Golden Company seige of Storm Ends and the clip with the knight in Targaryen sigil can pass for that as well.
Not officially, but with the amount of evidence we have for it, I’m a 100% sure that the
will be in season 6.
Most likely Melisandre.
I think it’s be Ellaria. She is part of the main cast and Doran will off her for what she did to Myrcella.
Shouldn’t it be snowing in those Northern battle shots?
I think the guy on the horse is Benjen Stark.
Did anyone see right before it shows brienne it looks like she kills the guy but the guy that dies was killed by a white walker! It looks like brienne is doing it but the armour is different and the background they just made it look like she does it!! Please help me figure things out! I swear it’s different armor!!
Jack Bauer 24,
That confused me, too. There isn’t even any snow on the ground.
dothrakian raven,
Mrs. Kingslayer,
Yes, you are correct. It’s very clearly Davos when I listen with the volume up higher.
Yeah I’ve seen a few comments with people saying this. I can’t make the banner out (have tried adjusting the brightness etc but no luck). Hot damn if it is… And then more questions arise about their allegiance. Argh! 🙂
It’s pretty much confirmed as Davos now in the latest WOTW post, where they describe the scene from S6 that’s been screened between him and Mel. Although now there’s more confusion over who they’re actually talking about from viewers accounts. Dammit, April has to come. Now. 🙂
Rygritte,
I would assume Ellaria (sp) could die but she’s not a major character. We know the Stark girls are safe. Cersei if she dies it won’t be early season. Meera, Asha, Missandei again not major. Dany is end-game. Who else would it be? Margaery? Have a feeling it’s Mel for sure. I will miss the red witch. From just the brief glimpses we got in trailer she seems to have done an amazing transformation from smug and unlikable to broken down and apologetic.
Apollo,
I think it’s probably Melisandre Davos says it to after she tells him Jon’s the one Lord of light meant to lead her to and admits misinterpreting things. Or it’s to Sansa after she arrives there.
Ellaria is part of the main cast.
totoybibo,
they will https://watchersonthewall.com/are-these-game-of-thrones-stars-spotted-in-belfast-returning-in-season-6/
hopefully he is not the flayed corpse
The USA Today review of the trailer says it is (possibly) Melisandre in the scene with Yara! Wow. That is so far off base, I can’t believe she actually watches the show.
Wimsey,
Yes, if I remember from past trailers, nothing is ever shown that gives anything away. However, they scenes shown do make great talking points. I haven’t been following the entire section of comments here but has anyone else posed the question of Jon perhaps warging into Ghost before he (Jon) dies? I find the scene of Davos with the sword intriguing because of this possibility – ‘Jon’ might then warg from Ghost into Davos if ‘Ghost’ senses that the men of the Night’s Watch might be preparing to kill him.
I was looking more into the person swinging the fireball thing and it looks like it’s were meera reed is at in that making of got season 6 teaser. The background looks alike the bundle of stuff by the tree looks like we’re she’s at but I’m not too sure!!
Also: Not sure anyone has posted this, but there is a pretty good comprehensive analysis on AltShiftX’s channel – comparatively short, but very well structured and thought through. I love this channel (I think AltShiftX may be the best ASoIaF analyst on Youtube), but from what I gather, many people around here do.
Warning: book spoilers
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCveZqqGewoyPiacooywP5Ig
The story is well known to have been based on the Wars of the Roses: 1455-1485.
dred,
Only death can pay for life..
Great point. So it seems GRRM is more historically accurate (and has clearly done his research) than has otherwise been suggested by a few here..
Yeah, quite. If they have her taking on roles from other characters this season there’s also a canonical, textual reason to have her r/shipped with a woman.
Gay or bi Yara does not have to be doing it to excite some pirates. That doesn’t sound like her very much.
It’s almost a hatefuck. I found that scene disturbing. She is, indeed, trying to be like a man; she doesn’t enjoy it. Cersei doesn’t like or respect other females and I don’t think she is bi. Nothing like that has ever gone through my head when with another woman.
So much of Cersei’s stuff from AFFC creeped me out tbh and her chapters became borderline cheesy. Not GRRMs finest work..
I’m just here wondering if we ever see Rila again…
Conquest,
I think there are a lot of chances that we will see her. I mean in comparison to Sorensen whose character Karsi, although small, had a clear and defining arc Rila’s appearance as a red priestess were much more open as to her coming back in S6. One could think that she was there for a reason and not only to just fleetingly introduce Tyrion to the cult of A.A. If so then it was a bit redundant. But we haven’t heard any news from her during the filming period so who knows. I have a gut feeling that we will meet again Agbaje’s pirate character and co. I think they would have been the perfect company for Euron.
dothrakian raven,
They’ll have options to bring them back I’m sure. It will depend on other filming commitments/whether it fits into the story seamlessly.
dothrakian raven,
What you say would make sense and I really do hope that an actor like her gets a bit more spotlight instead of being relegated to an extra.
I think the burning flayed man is Ramsay having being defeated in the Battle of the Bastards where the Starks, Stark bannermen the wildlings defeat the Boltons, and hopefully some Freys. Ramsay is given a taste of his own medicine, and the real kicker is that his is corpse on fire; only the red god involvement could point to melissandre burning his corpse. So it would suggest Davos and Mel have teamed up with a resurrected Jon who is now free of his Night’s Watch vows to lead the Starks into battle against his House’s enemies. He teams up with the Wildlings as they are men that the realm should have also been protecting and Jon will guarantee them land in the Gift and possibly around Winterfell.
if you compare that scene with the rider in the north putting someone (assuming a white walker) on fire with the best seat in the house video specifically the Meera Reed bit that looks like she is hiding while the rider is saving her! does anyone else see this? where is she and who is saving her? could that be Benjen Stak or some version of Cold-Hands?
Here you can see the Meera Reed screenshot from the best Seat in the House video: https://watchersonthewall.com/inside-game-of-thrones-season-6-the-best-seat-in-the-house/
Hey i think that hand on the fire thingy is dany at Dragonstone u can see that firethingy at dragonstone in the melisandre gendry s3 scene
Maybe she’ll be back at dragonstone at the end of the season
Wylie,
I agree. The hands on Jon’s face and body are Edd’s. The hair length seems similar enough and the clothes look a lot like what Jon is wearing.
Connor,
I have a lot of questions about that shot (those clips) with Sir Davos and the Nights Watch. We all know that in order to prevent a dead from living again, you have to burn the body. Is Allister Thorne and his cohorts attempting to take the body to burn it, and Seaworth is trying to prevent that from happening so that Melissandre can resurrect him? Although Seaworth doesn’t go in for magic. But maybe in light of the coming war with the dead, he’s willing to see reason?
Gravemaster,
Me thinks those are little birds with a certain Lion