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December 18, 2016 at 8:40 pm #85694
This is going to have a long explanation.
Little Finger: While serving as Tywin Lannister’s cup barrer, little finger showed up reporting on spy’s he had on Rob with the objective to beat /kill Rob. Sansa giving him credit for saving her from Cercie is only going to hold Arya at bay for a while.
Sansa: 1. Sansa was always mean to Arya. 2. At the Tridgent, if Arya hadn’t just managed to dodge Joffrey swinging his sword, he would had cut her in two and Sansa never got upset about Joffrey trying to murder Arya. Sansa didn’t care as long as she was going to be Queen.
Arya does not trust Sansa. The closer Sansa is with LF the more she will distrust Sansa not trust LF (unless we have some really s—-y writing.
Arya will choose Jon over Sansa. Arya will choose Gentry over Sansa.
If Arya believes that Sansa is conspiring with LF to kill Jon Arya will kill LF while wearing Sansa’s face.
December 20, 2016 at 11:10 pm #85863
It would be very arbitrary for Arya to kill LF. LF and Arya have had next to zero interactions in the series, either on TV or in the books. Given the nature of this type of story, if anyone is going to kill LF, then it will be one of the protagonists who has had a lot of interaction with him. At this point, that list is: 1) Sansa; 2) Tyrion; 3) Cersei. I’d rule out Cersei, as she is a 2nd or 3rd tier protagonist. Tyrion’s interactions were not of the sort where there is any “damned if you do/damned if you do not” aspect to killing LF: and that is the core of GRRM’s stories. Sansa is the one who would most easily be put in a position where both killing LF and not killing LF would seem appropriate.
To this end, one thing that Sansa should have started to learn by now is that if something “feels good,” then she probably should not do it. The selfish gain of killing LF probably would be outweighed by keeping him around and using him.
December 23, 2016 at 10:21 am #85982
Er, if anything, keeping Littlefinger around (something she’s done multiple times at this point, beginning in 408 and later in Season 6) has repeatedly proven not beneficial to her at all. Killing him is the entirely logical course; he offers nothing other than his constant attempts to screw up her life for his own benefit.
December 23, 2016 at 11:55 am #85990
Er, if anything, keeping Littlefinger around (something she’s done multiple times at this point, beginning in 408 and later in Season 6) has repeatedly proven not beneficial to her at all.
LF’s Vale controlled army just won Winterfell back for her. And LF got her out of Kings Landing while also helping to assassinate Joffery.
Now, yes, LF’s plan regarding Ramsay backfired horribly: but if Ramsay had been the normal bastard of a great lord, then he would have been so eager to prove that he was a good little noble boy (well, young man) that Sansa could have done a total Cersei on him. (And, no: there is no way that LF would have known that Ramsay was a psychopath: even the northerners did not seem to know that until it was too late, and what happens in the north stays in the north.)
Killing him is the entirely logical course; he offers nothing other than his constant attempts to screw up her life for his own benefit.
How is it at all “logical?” We have no “If Person A does X to Sansa, then Sansa kills Person A” examples to make a logical statement. Sansa is (or was) self-absorbed to the point of being solipsistic: but she is not cruel. Moreover, if she is following the character arcs of the other primary protagonists, then she needs to start increasing her empathy. Sansa has made plenty of mistakes in the past: so if she is going to parallel Jon, Daeny, Tyrion, etc., this will start to affect how she views other peoples’ mistakes. Right now, Sansa probably still needs LF for her own purposes. Given the simple premise of “don’t throw away a necessary resource unless you have a replacement immediately at hand,” it would be very illogical to kill LF here and now.
That written, there are events that have yet to unfold, and LF’s “necessary” status might change. But that probably will be a source of Sansa’s “Damned if I do or do not” dilemmas: a part of her will never forgive LF for what happened to her, and a part of her will always be indebted to LF for getting her out of Kings Landing and helping to defeat the Boltons, and yet another part of her will realize that she can use LF’s obsession with her to her advantage. If Sansa does kill LF, then it will be at great cost to herself: and if she lets him live, then it will be at great cost. The question will be: which one has the 100 dragon price and which has the 95 dragon price?
December 23, 2016 at 2:36 pm #86001
LF’s Vale controlled army just won Winterfell back for her.
She doesn’t need him to keep influence in the Vale. Indeed, the Vale likes her more than Littlefinger, as we’ve already seen.
And LF got her out of Kings Landing while also helping to assassinate Joffery.
Neither of which he did for her, and regardless, those happened before she had any choice whether to rid herself of him or not.
but if Ramsay had been the normal bastard of a great lord, then he would have been so eager to prove that he was a good little noble boy (well, young man) that Sansa could have done a total Cersei on him.
No, she would not have, because Ramsay would know that Sansa was a Stark enemy who clearly hates him (as she made no effort to conceal) and thus would know to keep a close eye on her and not give her any actual influence. That’s why it was a stupid plan.
Sansa is (or was) self-absorbed to the point of being solipsistic: but she is not cruel. Moreover, if she is following the character arcs of the other primary protagonists, then she needs to start increasing her empathy.
Um, actually, Sansa was much more empathetic earlier in the series. She’s become less empathetic and crueler as it goes along (hence, e.g., feeding Ramsay to his dogs).
Given the simple premise of “don’t throw away a necessary resource unless you have a replacement immediately at hand,” it would be very illogical to kill LF here and now.
Littlefinger isn’t necessary now. He doesn’t bring her anything she can’t get already, and he’s constantly trying to pit her against other members of her family for his own benefit. There is no advantage to keeping him alive.
February 1, 2017 at 2:54 am #88717
“A Girl is not ready to become No one, but a girl is ready to become someone else.”
I dont think Arya will kill Sansa but I could see Arya killing LF. She doesnt know abo how LF held Ned at Daggerpoint but she has personally witnessed LF allegiance, (even if temporary) to the Lannisters who we all know to have taken down most of the Starks in part at least. That seems to be enough or almost enough to put him on her list assuming she reunites with Sansa and converses with her about such matters. If a discussion of such matters is held, Arya may hear about Ramsey Bolton, the Sadist. He beat her, raped her etc. We all know of this and we all know that LF set up this marriage if only in part. If Arya becomes aware of such things then LF will most likely place LF on Arya’s List. Thus the end of LF, as he cannot fight, he can’t hide nor can he run. Why? He would never see her coming. LITERALLY, because she has the abilites of the Faceless Men. Would be like what happened to Walder Frey all over again but slightly different.
All my knowledge of GoT comes from the TV Show as I have yet to read the books. This is my opinion mathcex with fact.
March 2, 2017 at 9:38 pm #90003
I think Sansa is going to get wise to Littlefinger and want him out of the game. She’ll confide in Arya and maybe even ask. Sansa has gotten pretty bold. My question is would or could Arya take on the face of her dead mother Catelyn and woo Littlefinger and kill him?
February 26, 2017 at 12:54 pm #89879
I think sansa will kill lf, he is such a snake but what a great part he plays. Also isnt sansa technically still.married to tyrion?
February 26, 2017 at 12:57 pm #89880
I hope cersei is next to go
March 3, 2017 at 5:57 pm #90047
Petyr is “overrated” and he knows it. He smart enough to make other characters believe he is necessary but he isn’t. He doesn’t have true power in the Vale ,when Robin grows up and marries he has nothing (if the wife is a smart woman) .If Robin dies then the Vale goes either to Sansa(or Edmure) or an Arryn(by blood) cousin/relative.Robin is the only one who actually likes Littlefinger ,if someone tries to kill him i don’t think anyone from the Vale will try to save or avenge him.The lords of the Vale just endure him because they are loyal to Robin, Jon’s boy ,but they really hate Petyr’s influence on their liege lord.If Sansa manage to manipulate Robin (an easy task since her little cousin isn’t very smart) , earn his absolute trust and make him believe she fancies him then not only she has the lord of the Vale in her pocket , but also the respect of his vassals(because of her parents ,especially Ned ) and and an actual claim to rule as regent because she is related to him by blood , two things Petyr never had .
Sansa may not be able to make Petyr her pawn , but she can “steal” a few of his pawns.