Titles for Game of Thrones season five episodes 5-7 have been revealed; plus, a character renamed

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Once again, GeeklyInc has broken the story of new episode titles for Game of Thrones season 5. We’ve checked with our sources, and they confirm that these are accurate. The titles for the episodes are:

Season 5, Episode 5: Kill the Boy

Season 5, Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

Season 5, Episode 7: The Gift

“Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken” was one of the most popular choices for an episode title this year, in our survey a few weeks ago. The motto of House Martell is powerful, and the family is making a big splash this year, so it’s no surprise it is indeed an episode title in season 5.

“The Gift” was actually mentioned as a possible title as well in the survey. The Gift is a region near the Wall, but could also hold a double meaning, referring to the gift of mercy, and other gifts that hold significance in the episode.

“Kill the Boy” is an obvious reference to a well-known quote from the books, “Kill the boy and let the man be born.” This is another one that has a straightforward meaning, but could take on layers of other meaning in an episode. After all, Game of Thrones sure loves to kill.

As for the other piece of news…

I’ve received info from an unnamed source that the former slave character played by Reece Noi has had his name changed from Keyr to Mossador.

Noi’s slave in Meereen in “Oathkeeper” had no name, but this year was listed as “Keyr,” a Valyrian-flavored name. What’s interesting is that the name Mossador exists in the books- he’s Missandei’s brother, and one of the Unsullied.

It’s unclear if this is another case of the writers borrowing a name from the books a la Myranda to fit an unrelated character. It seems like it may be as
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our source has seen the premiere, and reports that Keyr/Mossador shares scenes with Missandei in the season premiere, and there’s no dialogue that indicates the two are related.

Sue the Fury: So readers, what do you make of this news? Do you like the new titles?

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    1. The episodes titles are great?
      I just wonder what will happen in Dorne this year, I am expecting that something similar with the book plot will happen in Dorne on episode 6

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    2. Just realized (can’t edit) that “The Gift” could refer to the area south of The Wall. Still, even if that’s partly what it refers to I’m sure it’ll be a double-meaning of that and

      Arya stuff

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    3. I am so happy an episode is named “Kill the Boy.” While it is no guarantee, it certainly indicates to me

      Aemon will be saying that to Jon.

      Yay!!!

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    4. Looking back at the survey’s detail results, there were a few people who suggested “Kill the Boy” on the survey anonymously.

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    5. I really wish they had kept in Missandei having Unsullied brothers. It would have added depth to her character without .. Greyworm romance.

      I think it’d have been cute if they’d done that and brought in this Mossador guy as one of her brothers instead of a random slave. Weird change.

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    6. Shall we speculate what scene will close out each episode?

      Episode 1 Wars to Come named for the last words uttered by Mance, ends with mance’s death.
      Episode 2 The house of Black and White this will end with Arya gaining entrance into the house.
      Episode 3 High Sparrow The faith militant destroying all the beer etc. Kind of like when Joffrey murdered all the babies. Wait just remembered this is where Jorah will kidnap Tyrion most likely.
      Episode 4 Sons of the Harpy An epic swordfight in mereen. Barristan death?! Plz no
      Episode 5 Kill the Boy Aemon pyre. Janos slynt losing his head.
      Episode 6 Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken This will be a major dorne scene, Queenmaker of some sort? Bronn bye bye?
      Episode 7 The Gift Either Arya kills someone, or Arya goes blind.
      Episode 8 Hardhome, Jon face to face with Nightsking
      Episode 9 Daznak Big Dragon Lands, or Cersei Walk
      Episode 10 FTW, Dany with Dothraki

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    7. Now Sue has relegated herself to click bait. No one has ever said this character’s name was “Keyr” other than your sources.

      Title should have read. “and correction, my sources were wrong.”

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    8. Cool names!

      I feel like Aemon will die in the same episode in which he dispenses the advice to Jon. That’s the last time Jon speaks to him in the books (because Aemon leaves with Sam and Gilly). As Sam and Gilly don’t seem to be going on their trip I feel like Aemon will simply pass away at Castle Black.

      I assume some big Dorne stuff will be going down in ep 6 then…

      The Gift will probably refer to several different things but yeah – I assume one of them will be

      Jon settling the Gift with Wildlings.

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    9. wizardeyes,

      i think we will still have Sam atleast in bravos this season he wont be at castle black when FTW happens and Aemon dying could be a good reason to get Sam some maester training in future.

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    10. Does anyone else find it weird that HBO has yet to issue a single press release with the title, synopses, and cast list like they’ve always done a month before air? All the titles, etc have leaked via outside sources, and Fury found the cast list buried in the HBO schedule.

      Why the secrecy this year? Is this really all to hide that Tom Wlaschiha is a cast regular? Can’t think of any other reason an official release for the season isn’t out by now.

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    11. wizardeyes,

      Re your speculation about the episode named ‘The Gift.” Does Jon do this in ADWD to

      give the Wildlings somewhere to stay after they cross through the wall?

      I’m having trouble remembering.

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    12. Andrew,

      seems like an extension of the marketing campaign which intended to piss everyone off and maybe they like making fans work for it.

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    13. Jon Stark:
      Now Sue has relegated herself to click bait. No one has ever said this character’s name was “Keyr” other than your sources.

      Title should have read. “and correction, my sources were wrong.”

      Really? Wow……….

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    14. Andrew,

      There are official synopses for the first 3 episodes.

      The Wars to Come –
      Cersei and Jaime adjust to a world without Tywin. Varys reveals a conspiracy to Tyrion. Dany faces a new threat to her rule. Jon is caught in between two kings.

      The House of Black and White –
      Arya arrives in Braavos. Pod and Brienne run into trouble on the road. Cersei fears for her daughter’s safety in Dorne as Ellaria Sand seeks revenge for Oberyn’s death. Stannis tempts Jon. An adviser tempts Dany.

      High Sparrow –
      In Braavos, Arya sees the Many-Faced God. In King’s Landing, Queen Margaery enjoys her new husband. Tyrion and Varys walk the Long Bridge of Volantis.

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    15. Thanks for the confirmation, I have updated the wiki accordingly.

      Holding off on Mossador until we can get confirmation of this name change.

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    16. Sue the Fury,

      Personally, I thought that this should have been the “phrase” for the whole season! It is the common thread for all the lead characters, after all.

      Renly’s Peach: It would have added depth to her character without .. Greyworm romance.

      Doing it this way is much more effective on television: it does a much better job of telling the audience just what slavery can cost people than having a couple of her brothers be eunuchs. That, in turn, is important for developing Daeny’s character, which is what really counts: after all, she is one of the two most important characters in the story.

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    17. Brandone,

      Upon looking it up to double check (Been a while since I’ve read it!)

      Jon allows Stannis to settle free folk in the Gift. Stannis has loads of wildling prisoners and has nowhere to put them and he doesn’t want to execute them or let them die.

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    18. wizardeyes,

      Yes, but we only know those because they leaked, as well. SpoilerTV posted those on their own. The full season press release is usually sent out to all media outlets. All HBO PR has officially sent this year so far are photos.

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    19. “The Gift” is a great title with multiple meanings, touching potentially on Jon’s storyline, but moreover gives me the strong impression that the show is working through all of Arya’s plotline up through ADWD and into TWOW, so Maisie’s going to see more screentime than ever, I expect.

      I believe she’s going to crush it this season.

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    20. I’m going to take a stab at “Kill the Boy” (no pun intended) and suggest that it may, in fact, bear another death nobody has talked about… a very unexpected death, possibly the death that in fact the story about “someone” reading the books did not see coming…

      Tommen Baratheon.

      We know the opening scene in “The Wars to Come” shows the flashback to Cersei’s prophetic visit to Maggy the Frog. It’s specified in that prophecy that all three of her children will die before her.

      This show has three seasons left. We’re entering endgame. It would fit the vision to have Tommen die, casting further concern in King’s Landing as Cersei becomes even more broken, having lost the son she put so much faith in. It would also be the final nail in the coffin between the Lannisters and Tyrells.

      It’s not unexpected at *all* to assume that Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen) reads the books. He also has very limited storyline left in the books to date.

      Perhaps the Faith Militant starts its payback – maybe even with the Iron Bank’s help – by offing Tommen. This would truly set up a crisis of government continuity, shepherding Myrcella back from Dorne.

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    21. Cameryn,

      The actor seems to talk about next season as if its a guaranteed thing something along the lines of I cant wait to see what my character does in the seasons after this one. However, I think

      myrcella could be screwed, I dont believe she is really alive in the books at this point so maybe the queen maker plot could go wrong

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    22. Crabber’s Son:
      Cameryn,

      The actor seems to talk about next season as if its a guaranteed thing something along the lines of I cant wait to see what my character does in the seasons after this one. However, I think

      Tommen’s death is great season 6 episode 1 or 2 material. It’s too early this season and there is so much going on in the later episodes that it would just be forgotten easily. If he died in season 6 then that could setup the whole story for that season. The end of the first episode is a very likely candidate for him to die I think.

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    23. I love “Kill the Boy”, it’s a great part in the books, and I hope this is an indication that we’ll get some good scenes with Maester Aemon this season, even if he doesn’t take the same course as the book. What would really be amazing would be my other favorite line of his that would happen this season, “Egg, I dreamed that I was old.”

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    24. Ffiferoo: I love “Kill the Boy”, it’s a great part in the books, and I hope this is an indication that we’ll get some good scenes with Maester Aemon this season,

      What I like more is that this, coupled with the dialogue in the second trailer and the choice of the song “Heroes” in the first trailer all point to B&W having nailed the story for this year. We might quibble about whether their adaptations do more to explicate or obfuscate the story: but it is always a good sign when it looks like the show-runners had the story in mind when doing this stuff.

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    25. wizardeyes:

      The Gift will probably refer to several different things but yeah – I assume one of them will be

      In that case what episode do you expect the election to be held?

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    26. Crabber’s Son,

      There is no reason to think that

      Myrcella is dead already in the books. To the contrary, Doran is pretty emphatic that she’s alive and that she will cooperate in deceiving the Queen about what happened to her.

      At any rate, the prophecy suggests that she’ll outlive Tommen if all three are to wear crowns. After all, it cannot just be referring to her hair: otherwise, it would lack the irony that prophecies need.

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    27. Yes! I love

      Aemon’s chat with Jon! I hope we get to hear him say “Egg, I dreamed that I was old”. That may just cause the waterworks to start flowing…

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    28. Greenjones,

      Siddig seems to imply that Obara,Nymeria, and Tyene are all Ellaria’s children. Is this something that changed while filming? I hope this is just a case of Siddig mispeaking, or simply assuming they are Ellaria’s children. He also says Ellaria is Doran’s sister-in-law, when we know she wasn’t married to Oberyn.

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    29. I think kill the boy also might refer to

      Sansa /littlefinger killing sweet robin

      it fits the time line and that event is hinted at the end of feast for crows. I definitely hope so!

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    30. Wimsey,

      Has to refer to her hair. Either that or the I dont know how to do spoilers. But Queenmaker.

      Cause if Tommen dies first by laws of Westeros Stannis is King.

      Mycella falls behind him in succession.

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    31. If “The Gift” is indeed referencing Arya, then that’s two episodes this season (episodes 2 and 7) that are named after some aspect of her storyline. Looks to be an Arya centric season.

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    32. Hoping the last three will be

      5×8 Hardhome/Dead Things in the Water
      5×9 Daznak’s
      5×10 Daggers in the Dark/Winter

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    33. thornofhighgarden:
      Byron,

      I don’t think that’s true. Jon says in the books, “A daughter comes before an uncle.”

      Book says..
      According to Archmaester Gyldayn, in the eyes of many, the council of 101 AC established an iron precedent on matters of succession: that the Iron Throne could not pass to a woman, or to a male descendant of a woman.

      Robert was behind Dany in the LOS because, his Targ blood is through his Targ Grandma.

      Yet while Robert was king. Stannis came before Mycella and Renly before Shireen. Women inherit the Iron Throne only if no male descendant remains. Such as your Uncle.

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    34. Cameryn,

      From ADWD.

      [Maester Aemon] “Allow me to give my lord one last piece of counsel”, the old man had said, “the same council that I once gave my brother when we parted for the last time. He was three-and-thirty when the Great Council chose him to mount the Iron Throne. A man grown with sons of his own, yet in some ways still a boy. Egg had an innocence to him, a sweetness we all loved. Kill the boy within you, I told him the day I took the ship for the Wall. It takes a man to rule. An Aegon, not an Egg. Kill the boy and let the man be born.”
      The old man felt Jon’s face.
      “You are half the age that Egg was, and your own burden is a crueler one, I fear. You will have little joy of your command, but I think you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born.”

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    35. Byron,

      Hm from what I can tell, Targaryen succession laws are different from Andal succession laws. But either way it’s kind of a moot point. Stannis is a “traitor to the crown” and all that. It would never be handed to him before Myrcella. He would have to take it by force.

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    36. Josla,

      I’m thinking –

      Ep 1 – Mance is burned
      Ep 2 – Stannis offers to make Jon a Stark
      Ep 3 – Jon is elected LC
      Ep 4 – Jon offers Stannis advice for his campaign (Not to attack the Dreadfort)
      Ep 5 – Maester Aemon speech and death

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    37. wizardeyes:
      Josla,

      I’m thinking –

      Wow. Am I the only one who thought the election would be later in the season. For some reason I expected it to be handled within a couple of episodes and the new commander to be a big revelation for midseason at least. I hope they don’t rush this storyline. I’m really looking forward to it.

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    38. Byron: Has to refer to her hair. Either that or the I dont know how to do spoilers. But Queenmaker.

      Prophecies always involve ironies and/or double entendres.

      thornofhighgarden: I don’t think that’s true. Jon says in the books, “A daughter comes before an uncle.”

      Correct, at least under the standard rules of primogeniture. Robert’s heirs are his son’s in order of birth followed by daughters in order of birth followed by brothers in order of birth. Where things tend to get dicey is when it comes to the nephew/niece by the elder brother or the younger brother: that is, if Stannis had snuffed it earlier and it was recognized that Robert had no legal heirs, it often would be disputed whether Renley or Shireen was Robert’s heir.

      So, at this point, those people still thinking or pretending that Cersei’s kids are Robert’s kids would consider Myrcella to be Tommen’s heir. (After that, it would get murky: Stannis probably is attainted due to his rebellion, although I do not know that this ever was explicitly stated. Of course, it is all apt to be moot, too!)

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    39. Josla: hope they don’t rush this storyline. I’m really looking forward to it.

      Drawing it out over two episodes would be incredible overkill. It needs to be done within one. It also needs to be done very early in the season. After all, it is a plot point that sets up Jon’s story for the year. The longer it is delayed, the longer it will be before Jon starts contributing to the story.

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    40. Byron: Yet while Robert was king. Stannis came before Mycella and Renly before Shireen. Women inherit the Iron Throne only if no male descendant remains. Such as your Uncle.

      No, the books make it clear that Myrcella is next in line under standard Westeros law. This comes up in Crows. Stannis’ status never is mentioned when they discuss this.

      Moreover, the books make it pretty clear that this has to do with brothers take precedent over sisters. Now, there was the secondary matter that given what a bunch of pigs the Andals are, any sisters who did inherit probably would be challenged by an uncle or male cousin, and then receive considerable support because of that. However, that is a separate issue altogether.

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    41. crabbers son,

      it would pass to Stannis and Shireen I think. Or to whomever claims it by right of conquest or by a great council. I don’t think bastards can inherit unless they are legitimized

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    42. crabbers son,

      Not unless Gendry’s legitimization was recognized. Of course, in the book, it would be his half-brother who might get the recognition: Edric’s mother one of Selyse’s cousins (or some relation), and Robert did openly acknowledge him. Given the superstitions that they have about heritability, and given that Edric was raised as a well-born child, there would be far fewer objections to recognizing him as the Baratheon.

      However, without legitimization, Gendry has no standing in the order of things.

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    43. From all accounts, the LC election is a very protracted affair that gets dispensed with in E2 (probably over a couple scenes).

      Reports from E1 have Sam telling Gilly that the election is coming up and Thorne is running against Denys Mallister. There doesn’t appear to be any other candidates initially although I guess that could be a different story when we hear more in E2.

      Sam doesn’t want Thorne to win as he’s told Gilly that he’ll send her away so you have his motivation to change the outcome if it looks like Thorne is set to win. I imagine he’ll have the conversation with Mallister about Jon the way he does with both he and Pyke in the books, only the show’s not including Pyke.

      So more or less the same except it’s Thorne instead of Slynt and just one other candidate in Mallister.

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    44. Wimsey,

      Well Edric has been cut on the show and Stannis is essentially a traitor. So if Cersei’s children both died and Stannis was still seen as a traitor wouldnt Gendry be the next person in line? Who could even legitimize him at that point? The high sparrow?

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    45. Byron,

      He probably killed, threatened or cajoled the right people. (I do not recall this ever coming up in the books, after all.)

      At any rate, the fact that Myrcella is next in line is plainly stated in the books. It’s a big issue concerning Dornish law vs. standard Westerosi law: the Dornish recognize older daughters before youngers sons, the rest of Westeros recognizes younger sons before older daughters. The rest of Westeros will not recognize Myrcella as Robert’s heir until Tommen is dead. (Of course, as recognizing Myrcella was essentially an act of rebellion, the deed was going to result in one of the two siblings dying: something else that is noted in the books!)

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    46. Wimsey,

      I always thought it was weird when fans said they couldn’t wait to see the LC election play out on-screen and often under the presumption that it would extend over a couple episodes.

      It’s cool that Jon wins and the notion that shy Sam steps up to help make it happen is awesome but all the other extraneous crap is unnecessary and depends on you suddenly trying to care about a couple other NW characters who have never been in the mix before. I’m glad the show is giving you the Cliff notes version as “Jon wins, Sam makes it happen, Thorne gets screwed over” are the things you need to hit on and this will definitely be the case.

      I found it hilarious that the version of election chosen by the Night’s Watch in the books is identical to a U.S. primary.

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    47. I got 0.5 out of 3 (0.5 because I did at least guess one of the titles, I just got the wrong episode #).

      Episode 5: I guessed “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken”. Obviously I was one episode off. Kill the Boy is a great title though!

      Episode 6: I guessed “The Sorrows”. Admittedly, this was in the area where I was having trouble thinking of names, and just grabbed onto one that seemed even the least bit likely.

      Episode 7: I guessed “Broken Knight”, based on other people’s suggestions. Again, I couldn’t think of a title myself, and that speech WAS great. The Gift seems to work though. I wonder if it JUST refers to the place…

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    48. I guessed “The Gift,” but for episode 5. My least popular or probable guesses came in at the end.

      #8 Silent Sisters
      #9 Walkers
      #10 The Hour of the Wolf

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    49. Big Mac,

      As others have already suggested, I think “The Gift” refers to more than just the place.
      It could be

      the gift of mercy, it could be a gift (bride) for Ramsay (although I’m not sure if it has already been determined that’s in another episode), and who knows the other possibilities.

      Rygar,

      What’s really funny about that is every time I see the title to this article, I see “titties,” instead of “titles.” I’m not sure why, either…that isn’t a word I really use. I’ll just blame it on…my eyes being tired. Yeah, that’s it!

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    50. Love the titles! Just seeing the Martell episode titles is making me antsy!

      Regarding 507 The Gift:

      Anyone else think Stannis and his army will actually be in the Gift by episode 7? If anything is going down in the North on his way to Winterfell its got to be in that episode right? Also, I know this is completely unreliable…but Gemma Whelan starts being credited for appearances starting with 507 on imdb 🙂

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    51. wizardeyes,

      I guess not yet.

      I don’t think that The Wall storyline will be in all episodes and we know that is in 5×01,02,05(Aemon to Jon ->Kill the boy and let the man be born.).I guess 5×04 will be Edd , fetch me a block and bye bye Janos.It would parallel with Dany and Sons of Harpy stuff.Wimsey. 😀 5×06 It’s obviously too late for LC election and there is upcoming Hardhome stuff.IMHO The Wall storyline will absent in 5×03 and 5×09(road back to CB from Hardhome) and then grand finale -> maybe “For The Watch” but without Pink Letter.It would be simply about NW/Wildlings tension and not fArya/Boltons.Maybe that would be Sansa’s job.

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    52. jentario,

      Maybe, going by the episode 2 synopsis,

      I am thinking Stannis offers to legitimize Jon in episode 2, and the choosing is in episode 3. It’s possible both happen in episode 2, though.

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    53. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      I thought it was a script for one episode (either two or three) and the scenes fit what we know will be in episode 2 according to the synopsis.

      In any case, I always felt that Stannis’s offer and the election should happen in the same episode to emphasise Jon’s choice between his dream and the Night’s Watch. It was like that in the books too.

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    54. In another Universe in the final episode

      Jon Con uses his knowledge on the ground and his skills to smash the Tyrell host and YG looks over the hills and forests at his new kingdom.While in KL big players die and everything is set up for his glorious arrival in the city.

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    55. GaiusB:
      I hope the second meaning of Kill the Boy is related to Ygritte´s death……

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    56. Maybe the gift could also refer to Winterfell and Sansa

      when LF says “…to win back your birthright. So those are your gifts from me, my sweet Sansa… Harry, the Eyrie and Winterfell.” Only without Harry who’s been cut

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    57. Don’t know if this was already posted, but there’s a interview with Iain Glen (Ser Jorah Mormont) and Nathalie Emmanuel (Missandei) about season 5

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    58. Crabber’s Son,

      I’m pretty sure “The Wars to Come” refers to Vary’s conversation with Tyrion; “I believe men of talent have a part to play in the war to come.”

      Havn’t seen the premiere, did Mance say that

      when he was burned

      at the end of the ep?

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    59. Very good titles!
      I love “The Gift” the most, because of its many meanings.
      “Unbowed, Unbend, Unbroken” was pretty expected.
      “Kill the Boy” is a great book-reference and if this episode includes the things I think about, then will be an awesome episode!

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    60. Dragonmcmx:
      Crabber’s Son,

      I’m pretty sure “The Wars to Come” refers to Vary’s conversation with Tyrion; “I believe men of talent have a part to play in the war to come.”

      Havn’t seen the premiere, did Mance say that

      at the end of the ep?

      Yes, reviews say he’ll wish Stannis luck for “the wars to come” before he gets burned.

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    61. House Ray:
      Seriously the final episode will not have a spoiler title.

      It won’t be a spoiler for non-readers. Many previous episodes have had names where book readers knew exactly what was coming (The Mountain and the Viper, The Lion and the Rose), so I don’t think For the Watch would be spoiling anything for showwatchers.

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    62. Rei,

      I wonder what could be “transformative” for Missandei?

      I guess the main suspects are learning to love Grey Worm, learning to lose Grey Worm, and death.

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    63. Renly’s Peach:
      I really wish they had kept in Missandei having Unsullied brothers. It would have added depth to her character without .. Greyworm romance.

      I think it’d have been cute if they’d done that and brought in this Mossador guy as one of her brothers instead of a random slave. Weird change.

      They should have just made Grey Worm her brother. That would have been a far more interesting dynamic than the insipid love story they have set up now.

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    64. Veltigar,

      Why is that more interesting? I would love for someone to explain what is so terrible about the Missendei and Grey Worm. Hard mode: without mentioning the books.

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    65. Yivo:
      Veltigar,

      Why is that more interesting? I would love for someone to explain what is so terrible about the Missendei and Grey Worm. Hard mode: without mentioning the books.

      1) Because that’s a dynamic that we haven’t seen in the show yet.
      2) Because it’s not a cliche. There’s more than romance to establish a connection between characters.
      3) Because instead of focussing on the fact that GW can’t do the dirty to Missandei, they could focus on different aspects of the abuse he suffered (bring the PTSD to the fore. I’m going to break your rule and say that the Unsullied aren’t GRRM’s best creation. In real life, these blokes would be crippled by PTSD. It would be nice to see someone struggle with it. Grey Worm, a character we know, aided by his loving sister would be better).
      4) Because the writers have a pretty horrible trackrecord with romances.
      5) Because it would allow us to skip past the tortured lovelorn gazes. Instead of wasting time on establishing the romance, we could just jump right into the meat of their relationship as brother and sister.
      6) Because it would give these characters a past (in the sense of relationships that still work through to this day) before Daenerys came along and saved everyone. It would also give us a bigger chance at backstory on their previous lives.

      There’s probably more, but this was what I could think up in five minutes.

      wizardeyes:
      Veltigar,

      Maybe he could still turn out to be her brother…

      That would be… interesting :p

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    66. Yivo,

      While I don’t have a problem with Missandei’s and Grey Worm’s current relationship, all my UNSULLIED friends have. They find their relationship a bit forced and awkward, so it has nothing to do with reading the books. It could also be that people aren’t used with love stories in GoT, they can often feel out of place.

      That being said, I won’t say that having Grey Worm be Missandei’s brother would have been better, but it could have worked. It would have made their relationship more unique and emotional imo.

      Veltigar,

      Was it established in the show universe that Missandei had an Unsullied brother? I can’t remember.

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    67. Felt Pelt,

      in interview she keeps discussing her transformation from a previously enslaved person to a free person so maybe that is what it is regarding?

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    68. Veltigar,

      We’ve seen plenty of sibling dynamics in the show. And romance is not a cliché when it comes to characters that are newly ex-slaves and not white. Not on this show, that’s for sure. If they were siblings, we’d be seeing barely any discussion of that, because well, they already are siblings. Whereas in a romance, it’s a relationship that is developing and has dramatic tension- something required for television. If he were her brother,

      we’d get her being sad over his death and basically no other scenes.

      I like the Grey Worm/Missandei story because it further develops the characters who would otherwise be ignored and it’s a bit of sweetness in a dark show. It takes very little screen time so when people complain that storylines like this are somehow robbing them of Greyjoys, that’s plain wrong.

      Balerion The Cat,

      I don’t think we can use the “Well, my friends say-” argument because my Unsullied friends mostly dig the GW/Missandei romance. Everyone’s different.

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    69. Veltigar: 1) Because that’s a dynamic that we haven’t seen in the show yet.

      We have sibling relationships where one sibling is disabled. Tyrion, Bran, Jaime.

      2) Because it’s not a cliche. There’s more than romance to establish a connection between characters.

      I don’t see why a sibling relationship is less cliched then a romantic one. They’re both incredibly common occurrences in real life.

      3) Because instead of focussing on the fact that GW can’t do the dirty to Missandei, they could focus on different aspects of the abuse he suffered (bring the PTSD to the fore. I’m going to break your rule and say that the Unsullied aren’t GRRM’s best creation. In real life, these blokes would be crippled by PTSD. It would be nice to see someone struggle with it. Grey Worm, a character we know, aided by his loving sister would be better).

      Yes, they could. Pointing out that there were alternatives makes the relationship bad.

      Because the writers have a pretty horrible trackrecord with romances.

      Which is irrelevant to whether or not this romance is good.

      5) Because it would allow us to skip past the tortured lovelorn gazes. Instead of wasting time on establishing the romance, we could just jump right into the meat of their relationship as brother and sister.

      Their relationship has been about 4 scenes. They would have to spend just as long establishing what their dynamic as siblings is.

      6) Because it would give these characters a past (in the sense of relationships that still work through to this day) before Daenerys came along and saved everyone. It would also give us a bigger chance at backstory on their previous lives.

      True. But that would also make Dany freeing them less of a big deal, if they actually had a wonderful sibling relationship throughout it all. It doesn’t really give a bigger chance of backstory on their previous lives either, they can and have talked about their previous lives anyway. In any case, there’s not all that much to talk about, other than piling on all the various ways in which they were abused.

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    70. There are 30 pages devoted to GoT in the new Empire magazine. Have scans made it around the ‘net? There are scans of that issue’s Terminator coverage so I thought maybe someone had the new issue already.

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    71. God I can’t wait!

      When the Drogon vs Dany stare down happens we are all going to get goosebumps! D&D and HBO have done such a great job providing us with big budget movie quality CGI with these dragons. When Dany mounts Drogon and flies away its going to be such an iconic “Only on HBO” scene…

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    72. Valaquen:
      There are 30 pages devoted to GoT in the new Empire magazine. Have scans made it around the ‘net? There are scans of that issue’s Terminator coverage so I thought maybe someone had the new issue already.

      The Empire feature I have yet to see scanned (I’ll keep checking). Here’s the Entertainment Weekly album, in the meantime: EW

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    73. Sue the Fury: I like the Grey Worm/Missandei story because it further develops the characters who would otherwise be ignored and it’s a bit of sweetness in a dark show. It takes very little screen time so when people complain that storylines like this are somehow robbing them of Greyjoys, that’s plain wrong.

      Ah, one thing that Tolkien and Harry Potter fans have taught me is that a lot of fans count an hour for every minute of scene that they do not like! Cutting those frees up lots of time for the things that they want.

      Most then make the opposite mistake in assuming that adding the Greyjoys (or Bombadil or the Scouring, or Ludo Bagman or Quidditch Champtionships) would take very little time. In fact, it takes multiple scenes, some of which have to establish completely new characters. (And, no: the fact that Tyrion might have mentioned Theon’s uncles in Season 1 does NOT mean that Victarion and Euron already are “introduced.”)

      Tacking on short scenes (or additions to scenes) that add a couple of minutes to the entire season did a lot to develop not just two characters, but a lead character. Ultimately, the storytelling in this show is going to succeed/fail based on how well people understand Daeny’s and Jon’s intents/causes: and this works towards that end.

      Sue the Fury: I don’t think we can use the “Well, my friends say-” argument because my Unsullied friends mostly dig the GW/Missandei romance. Everyone’s different.

      This, on the other hand, transcends fandoms. In the United States, one of the reasons why many conservatives are convinced that there is rampant voter fraud in the US is because they do not know anybody who votes for Obama or other Democrats. Why? They do not know anybody that votes for them. Of course, they also do not want to associate with people that vote for them: which makes the former a self-fulfillment of the latter.

      Individuals non-randomly associate with people who view things like him/herself. So, what “my friends” think means nothing.

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    74. Valaquen,

      I have it, I haven’t read it yet. I’ll take screenshots and post it here when I get home. Starting to read now, Iain Glen implies that

      Sam will meet Reek!
      ” Will Tyrion meet Jorah? Does Samwell cross paths with Reek? Why does Jaime relocate to Dorne? Questions, questions.”

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    75. Balerion The Cat,

      Ahh thats a shame – was hoping GoT would be on the cover – would be pretty big deal as it would be the first time a TV show had been on the cover of Empire. Although kind of cool that Emilia is on the front! (Though that new Terminator reboot looks rubbish)

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    76. Greyworm/Missandei learning english – 2:13

      Greyworm watches naked Missandei, Dany/Missandei discuss it afterwards – 2:00

      Greyworm apologizes to Missandei in throne room – 2:40

      So just under 7 minutes total of screentime devoted to this storyline in a 570 minute season (1%).

      People who bring this storyline up constantly (and it’s the same damn people) as some kind of anchor dragging down the show should probably first acknowledge

      a) You’re choosing to focus on 1% of the season instead of the other 99% and

      b) You are free to have your opinion on what the story does for you but it’s not universally accepted and many, many people (gasp) like the story as portrayed.

      This is the “Pod’s sex adventures” (which took up even less screentime 3-4 minutes) uproar all over again.

      The show wants to give some of these minor characters who weren’t fleshed out in the books, something of their own that can help define them. Whether it’s a humorous or romantic characteristic shouldn’t really matter. Not everything on the show has to be a fate-of-the-world serious plot point.

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    77. King Tommen:
      Greyworm/Missandei learning english – 2:13

      Greyworm watches naked Missandei, Dany/Missandei discuss it afterwards – 2:00

      Greyworm apologizes to Missandei in throne room – 2:40

      So just under 7 minutes total of screentime devoted to this storyline in a 570 minute season (1%).

      People who bring this storyline up constantly (and it’s the same damn people) as some kind of anchor dragging down the show should probably first acknowledge

      a) You’re choosing to focus on 1% of the season instead of the other 99% and

      b) You are free to have your opinion on what the story does for you but it’s not universally accepted and many, many people (gasp) like the story as portrayed.

      This is the “Pod’s sex adventures” (which took up even less screentime 3-4 minutes) uproar all over again.

      The show wants to give some of these minor characters who weren’t fleshed out in the books, something of their own that can help define them. Whether it’s a humorous or romantic characteristic shouldn’t really matter. Not everything on the show has to be a fate-of-the-world serious plot point.

      Although that Pod sex scene was rather short. It made Pod and stablished who he was in the show in a very fun way.
      I know most of my friends that have never read the books still get a kick out of it whenever they see Podric. Of course, it adds up to his heroic save on Tyrion

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    78. Ok, here it is. I only posted the stuff about season 5. There is more stuff in the issue, (but nothing we don’t already know from other interviews) such as season 1, 3 and 4 directors talking about the episodes they directed, some info-graphs, Kit Harrinton talking about how it is to be famous etc.

      http://imgur.com/a/jGq44 (click on them to zoom)

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    79. King Tommen: So just under 7 minutes total of screentime devoted to this storyline in a 570 minute season (1%).

      Which would be more than enough time for the Iron Islands stuff, right? 😉

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    80. King Stannis: Although that Pod sex scene was rather short. It made Pod and stablished who he was in the show in a very fun way.

      It also did a lot to develop Tyrion as someone who treats his subordinates not simply well, but as “people who work for me” rather than “lesser beings lucky enough to serve me.” The key part is actually when he sits Pod down and demands details: Tyrion is treating Pod as “one of us” in that scene. That, in turn, develops him in parallel to people like Jon and Daeny. It is a display of empathy: a trait prominent in Jon and Daeny, but notably absent in any of Tyrion’s family!

      I do not remember: did this happen before or after Tyrion’s less successful attempt to de-angst Joffery?

      At any rate, this is very much akin to the Missandei-Grey Worm stuff in that the true purpose is to develop one of the lead characters. It’s akin to GRRM’s occasional non-protagonist PoV that serves to provide third party development of one or more protagonists.

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    81. I do not remember: did this happen before or after Tyrion’s less successful attempt to de-angst Joffery?

      Well after – season three rather than two.

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    82. woah woah woah … explicit mention of House Manderly??

      From Empire article (under a “Sansa” section): “…It’s not necessarily the fans, who Turner insists are not sweaty people with long beards (that is House Manderly)”

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    83. Wimsey,

      After. The scene with pod was in S.3 as reward for saving Tyrions life, while Joffreys “present” was for his nameday at the beginning of S.2, after witnessing him beating Sansa.

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    84. asdf,

      Don’t get your hopes up. The author has clearly read the books, and this throw away comment seemed to be referencing them.

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    85. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      Well we do see a fat man with a white beard in that crowd as Sansa is entering Winterfell. Probably doesn’t mean much, but they could be named background characters, like Galbart Glover from season 1.

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    86. wizardeyes,

      I automatically thought of that.

      It didn’t even cross my mind it would be centered on Braavos and Arya. Though that would mean Jon would allow Stannis to use it as a settlement area for the wildings. And by extension Stannis and Jon would still be at the Wall negotiating it, unless they modify that and have it all be Jon’s decision with Stannis already moving South with his army.

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    87. My hope for the North is that they’ll bring Rickon back for S6.Even the second part of S5 could have worked.But no sign of him.It also depends on how soon

      the Boltons would be destroyed

      .

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    88. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      Man, that makes it even more cruel. A book reader should know not to name drop that lol.

      Also, the Sam and Reek bit is interesting. I don’t know if they threw that one in as a joke or what. I don’t see how they would make that one happen. Theon sent to the Wall to deliver a message from Ramsay? Sending Sam to Winterfel seems even less likely.

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    89. Tyrion Pimpslap: My hope is that Rickon lives happily ever after on Skaagos or wherever he is and stays out of the story.

      Rickon is much like “Young Griff”: when Rickon returns, then he will be a foil for someone else’s story, not his bringing his own story with him. The big part will really be which of the claimants to the throne is supporting Rickon, and what Sansa and (probably) Arya do in response, as Sansa certainly and Arya (probably) will be putting in their claims on the seat of Winterfell.

      (I am rooting for Arya, Ninja Queen in the North.)

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    90. It is obvious for me that

      Stannis will want Rickon to be Lord of Winterfell since Jon is not an option.In the book Ser Davos will most likely return with him.Not sure what they’ll do in the show about that

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    91. Ser Gerold Dayne,

      If they were including Umber in the Winterfell scenes this year, then I think it would be easy enough to have Umber tell Sansa that he has Rickon at the Last Hearth. Then when Sansa and Theon escape Winterfell and meet up with Stannis, they could relay the news on to him. Then after the battle with the Boltons, Umber could just retrieve Rickon in the gap between season 5 and 6 and bring him to Winterfell. But there’s no evidence Umber is included, so who knows.

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    92. and now to something completely different::

      today 22th march 55min feature from the german/french tv station #ARTE : #GRRM with Sibel #Kekill (22PM CET): http://tinyurl.com/p9ycnhv

      english with german/french subtitels , the video seems avaible a week long…

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    93. our source has seen the premiere, and reports that Keyr/Mossador shares scenes with Missandei in the season premiere, and there’s no dialogue that indicates the two are related.

      They’re in the same scene, but Missandei doesn’t say anything to him at all that I recall. I’d think it’s unlikely he’s her brother, but nothing definitively rules it out.

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    94. Wimsey,

      Amended theory? Not just Jon and Daenerys, Tyrion is commoners’ lover as well? Btw, where’s Jon’s Ghost?

      Jon and Daenerys have almost nothing in common. (According to the R+L=J theory she may be his aunt though.) Jon is humble, self-critical, loyal to the brothers, without political ambitions (for now), not grandiloquent, not vengeful. Daenerys on the other hand … Well, you know her, her wheel-breaking ambitions and her way to solve/make problems. She wants to be a respected, just, strong ruler, but she’s lousy one. She can’t control even her kids.

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    95. Is it possible that the Sons of Harpy are bored ex-slaves that now yearn to be enslaved again?

      Oh, another very important question. Do you remember when Brienne ‘n Pod met Hot Pie at the inn and he had given them a loaf of bread for Arya? Well, what happened to that bread? What’s its status? Pod ate it? Brienne splintered it whit the Oathkeeper? Did they lost it? I really miss that loaf, the whole season 5 will be meaningless without it.

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    96. Balerion The Cat:
      Yivo,

      While I don’t have a problem with Missandei’s and Grey Worm’s current relationship, all my UNSULLIED friends have. They find their relationship a bit forced and awkward, so it has nothing to do with reading the books. It could also be that people aren’t used with love stories in GoT, they can often feel out of place.

      Nobody wants saintly characters in a political soap opera.

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    97. Really stupid how people complain about the Grey Worm/Missandei material. Just because you don’t have a dick or balls doesn’t mean that you can’t develop feelings for someone or appreciate a beautiful naked body, people who say so are dumb and near sighted. Also, the whole point is not that it’s a “love” story, it’s to flesh the characters out. It does make sense that the characters would bond and form a relationship of sorts because of their past as slaves, similar age, and because they’re both high up with Dany and spend a lot of time around each other. Again, the purpose is to flesh these characters out, it’s not a stupid love story. As someone previously said, it’s 1% (or less) of the show, it’s a very, very small part that is meant to FLESH these characters out, show that they are HUMAN

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    98. Jon Stark,

      Actually the actor in question said the original name for the character was Keyr but the producers felt the name sounded too much like a destination, and not the name of a person.

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    99. Uknow0: Tyrion is commoners’ lover as well?

      Tyrion has, as he jokes, a soft-spot for dwarves, bastards and broken-things. In an effort to be seen as human himself, Tyrion probably tries harder to see the humanity in others. Up to this point in the book series, he has not extended this to “commoners” as blatantly as Daeny or Jon, but the seeds are there: and, of course Dragons has a few things to do with this, too.

      Uknow0: Jon is humble, self-critical, loyal to the brothers, without political ambitions (for now), not grandiloquent, not vengeful.

      Yes, all those cries of “I am better than them” in Season 1 back that up! Jon got a humility lesson that served him well there, very similar to the lessons that Daeny got from being Khal Drogo’s wife.

      As for “political ambitions,” it is anachronistic to call Daeny’s quest “political ambition.” In this sort of society, the “right” to the Throne is an inherited duty. Stannis operates from this same principle, as he states repeatedly: he does not want to be King, but it is his duty to become King as his brother’s true heir. It is not just that Renley and Joffery do not have the “right” to the Throne: Stannis does not have the “right” to not take the Throne.

      This is actually key to Daeny’s story in Dragons:

      in the end, she admits to herself that part of the reason why she wasted so much time in Mereen under the pretext of practicing to rule is that she was tired of the perpetual pursuit to reclaim her birthright: but that also that postponing her attempt to reclaim to the Iron Throne had really been a dereliction of duty, not putting off personal ambition.

      But the other key is something that the second trailer emphasizes: both Jon and Daeny fight with potential allies because they want third parties (commoners/wildlings) treated as people.

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    100. Skipping back to the most important subject of allRickon!

      Everyone knows that Rickon will end the series as Lord of Winterfell! For he shall return from Skagos with Osha, Shaggydog, and a legion of Skagosi Unicorn Cavalry at the time of the North’s greatest need!

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    101. Just a harmless historical reference: Martin borrowed a bit from French history for the Cersei prophecy. In 1555, Nostradamus allegedly told French Queen Catherine de Medici that she would outlive all three of her children. It didn’t end well for her.
      Cameryn,

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    102. Sad that ‘Crazy For You’ didn’t make it from my list of Madonna’s greatest hits, it would’ve fitted Ramsey Bolton perfectly. Maybe ‘Like a Virgin’ will still make it.

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    103. James,

      I completely agree. I too, find these complains about Grey Worm and Missandai somewhat moronic, since they mostly seem to call it filler. I dont see it as filler at all. As you also pointed out, it is a completely believable Development between the two, as they are presented in the show. Both are slaves, WHO recently got freed. They are slowly adapting to freedom. For years and years they have had to surpress any feelings whatsoever, but now, suddetly, they are allowed to feel. And to act on those feelings. So you have a beatiful man and woman (in my opinion) WHO is just now starting to feel Again. And BAM, they are assined to nightly lessons just the two of them. It makes so much sence, that they would fall for eachother.

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    104. Which new book characters are you Guys most looking forward to in season 5?

      Mine would be of course The High Sparrow. But I’m also really interested in seing what they do with Yessan. Looks like they took away his obeesity and his sickness (or not). I hope they keep in his taste of grotesques. He’ll probably be a new villain among Mereens slavers.
      Not a new character, but I’m really stoke abot them bringing back Kevan and Lancel at this specific time, which is the perfect time, in my opinion. I really enjoyed Kevans actor, really nailed the character in my opinion, in that we dont really notice him and et he s a presence. And Eugene Simons will end up having thi amazing Little arc throughout the series, that will now enter a new face, with his religon.

      How about you Guys?

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    105. Wimsey,

      So, the real victims of feudal societies aren’t commoners, but lords. They are not allowed to lay down their heavy burden that consists of powers that possess, privileges, appellations, advantages, etc. They have no right to act unselfishly. Poor devils.

      Btw, Daenerys is selfish too. Of course, not because she’s postponing her attempt to reclaim the throne (due to her war on slavery)…

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    106. Carne,

      I haven’t bought EMPIRE in ages, what with it being a star-bonking, blockbuster tailored tabloid now, but…if what you say is indeed true, I might actually force meself.

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