Season 6 Casting Update!

While we wait for HBO to get around to dropping that season 6 trailer we’re all gagging for, here’s some more Game of Thrones news in the way of casting tidbits!

Mark TankersleyMark Tankersley will be playing a general in the upcoming season. According to his agency’s website, the actor has had “two months of filming General Bolton on Game of Thrones – Season Six.”

It makes sense the Boltons would need a general, given this season’s story and the spoilers coming out of Saintfield, Northern Ireland filming last fall.

More casting news below the cut!


Tierney photoAnnette Tierney will be appearing in at least two season 6 episodes. The actress’s agency CV currently includes credits for Game of Thrones Season 6, for an undisclosed character. Her directors are listed as Jack Bender and Jeremy Podeswa. Podeswa is helming the first and second episodes this year, and Bender the fifth and sixth.

As for her role, we can speculate a bit. For season 6, the show was casting for a “Housemaid” for 2 episodes, a small role that our sources informed a few months back was actually the part of (Not-So) Old Nan in Winterfell flashback visions. This actress is the right age range, and she appears to be in more than one episode. Nothing is confirmed yet, however, so this will remain speculation for the moment.

Another casting from an Irish agency has surfaced: the CV of actor Jed Murray lists him as appearing in season 6, but does not confirm his specific role. Based on a news item from the agency’s site, it looks like the actor did some filming in December.

Chuku Modu‘s Spotlight CV has been updated to confirm his character name will be “Ahko.”The actor filmed with the rest of the Dothraki-portraying cast members for season 6, and this role name seems to further confirm his part. There was a Dothraki warrior named “Akrat” on the second major casting list we shared; perhaps this is a slightly modified version of that character name.

Fingers crossed for more teasers and promos soon! Are we taking bets on whether HBO will slip a trailer in before the debut of Vinyl (2/14) or the season premiere of Girls (2/21)?

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    1. Thank the Lord Stark for sue 🙂
      Awesome news, looking forward to see them in the new season.
      I’ll take that bet, I’ll bet on Vinyl.

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    2. I’m going to go with new teaser (with some milliseconds of new footage) this weekend (Vinyl) and full trailer next weekend (Girls).

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    3. lmao the exclamation mark for the title when i saw the link on tumblr made me think this was a gonna big casting update or something.

      meh @this. i need a trailer

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    4. She kinda looks like a much younger Old Nan!

      Laura:
      I’m going to go with new teaser (with some milliseconds of new footage) this weekend (Vinyl) and full trailer next weekend (Girls).

      I think you may be right. A teaser for the trailer first, and a week later the trailer.

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    5. KaKa,

      Well that’s on you. Major casting/leads pretty much always have the character name or actor name in the post title.

      PS: Pick a screenname and stick with it.

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    6. Airing the trailer with Girls doesn’t make much sense tbh. Girls and GOT are too different. Not that Vinyl and GOT are hugely similar either. But they’re at least hour long ramas.

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    7. Laura:
      I’m going to go with new teaser (with some milliseconds of new footage) this weekend (Vinyl) and full trailer next weekend (Girls).

      A very reasonable prediction. I don’t know if that’s how they’ll do it but I doubt it will be a surprise trailer so we’ll know soon enough.

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    8. Sue the Fury,

      Who’s playing the Damphair? At least tell us if you know, if it can’t be revealed without coming back to you. I’ve been wanting to know this one for months!

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    9. I didn’t understand what the meaning of 2/14 and 2/21 were…. Until I realized that you mean 14/2 and 21/2

      I’m dying for a Trailer!! I just.. Need it!
      It’s a torture…

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    10. KaKa,

      The point to attaching the trailer to a show is to draw viewers to it. Vinyl has quite a bit of hype to it already, whereas Girls significantly less, IMO. If people know the highly anticipated season 6 trailer will be debuting right after the Girls premiere, I’d bet a lot more people would be glued to HBO to watch a show they otherwise wouldn’t give a chance to.

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    11. HouseMartellBitches:
      Sue the Fury,

      Who’s playing the Damphair?At least tell us if you know, if it can’t be revealed without coming back to you.I’ve been wanting to know this one for months!

      I’m confused on two counts.

      First: If she knew, she would tell us! Or she wouldn’t if there was any reason not to tell… in which case, your demand wouldn’t change her mind. So what is the point? Do you perhaps think she learnt about the actor but then just forgot to tell us…?

      Second: Does anybody actually expect Aeron to be more than a cameo? I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if he isn’t even named and he’s just the nameless priest who officiates the kingsmoot. Even if he’s named, I don’t think his role will be any larger… not that it’s much larger in the books, in terms of actions —there’s lots of inside narration, but that’s not really very translatable. The only thing he has actually done so far is call for a kingsmoot, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this action is taken by a more prominent character in the show, such as Theon or Yara.

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    12. I hope we get a trailer in seven days. At least 02-15. If we have to wait more than a week i ll get crazy.

      Really. Theres no need to be late than 02-15. Actualy is a fu××××absurd if passes that day.

      Im a big fan of harry potter too and i already have a trailer of the next movie since December of last year, and the movie will be in the theaters just november this year, and a movie has just 2h of screentime and we already have a trailer.

      We are less than 3 months to Got and it have 10h of screentime and we dont have 8 sec of season 6. Really…comonn.

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    13. HBO should just release a full trailer already. They cant be so mean by just giving us the 3 teasers we got some weeks ago.

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    14. Luka Nieto: I’m confused on two counts.

      First: If she knew, she would tell us! Or she wouldn’t if there was any reason not to tell… in which case, your demand wouldn’t change her mind. So what is the point? Do you perhaps think she learnt about the actor but then just forgot to tell us…?

      Second: Does anybody actually expect Aeron to be more than a cameo? I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if he isn’t even named and he’s just the nameless priest who officiates the kingsmoot. Even if he’s named, I don’t think his role will be any larger… not that it’s much larger in the books, in terms of actions —there’s lots of inside narration, but that’s not really very translatable. The only thing he has actually done so far is call for a kingsmoot, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this action is taken by a more prominent character in the show, such as Theon or Yara.

      To the first point, there is several reasons why somebody might know something and not tell. EW, TV Line, and I assume this site get told things all the time, on the condition that it is embargoed until a certain date, or the episode airs, so its entirely possible that this casting could have fallen under this case, especially since Euron’s casting was supposed to be kept secret, and a lot of casting revealed generally is done so with second hand sources, possibly to absolve the revealing source of the original responsibility and blowback from the leak.

      Second, I care going off of book speculation somewhere between the range of Shireen Dies and R+L=J that the Damphair will do something awesome, like throw a Kraken at something. The fact that the casting report specifically went out of the way to mention Damphair, and not some random Drown Priest, of which, yes, anyone could fulfill the role you described, lead me to believe that since Victarion was cut or merged, but Damphair kept, he actually will do something awesome that will generate viewers to merit his specific inclusion at all.

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    15. DanTheMan,

      I suspect if there wasn’t the Superbowl we would have gotten one last night.

      In the “My uncle works at Nintendo” arena, someone on Reddit, literally claiming their uncle or the like works at HBO, claimed we’d be getting it next Sunday, for what that’s worth.

      Probably just an educated guess, but eventually someone has to have an uncle who actually does work at Nintendo, or HBO as the case may be.

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      and my apologies if someone already posted this information.

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    17. News! Thank you, Sue!

      I’m glad that some of the agencies are starting to update CVs for their clients. These little pieces of information always help to bridge the gap until HBO starts to release promotional material in earnest. Every bit, no matter how small, helps us form a better picture of the season to come!

      Annette Tierney being the young version of Old Nan makes a lot of sense, especially if she’s appearing in a Jeremy Podeswa episode. It’s a fair assumption that she would appear in the flashback featuring young Hodor, and that flashback will probably be one of Bran’s first visions that we see.

      I’ll take a guess and say that Jed Murray may be playing a Thenn. Granted, I’m basing that on absolutely nothing other than the fact that the actor is bald.

      As for the trailer … I’ve made my peace with the idea that it won’t run on HBO until February 14, immediately before or after the premiere of Vinyl. Of course, I remain hopeful that it will be released online a few days before that. But I’ll be OK it doesn’t, especially now that we’re less than a week away from that entirely reasonable target date. That being said, if next Sunday passes and we still don’t have anything, alarm bells may start going off in my head.

      Bob Warren,

      That’s probably just poor wording on the part of the agency. He’s almost certainly playing a nameless general in the Bolton army, much like the “Baratheon general” that we saw alongside Stannis last year. Unless Roose has a long-lost cousin that we don’t know about …

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    18. Darjan,

      Yeah but if i’m not mistaken this is Girls’s final season and it’s not like a bunch of people who didn’t care for the previous four seasons of it,will suddenly care now just for the GOT trailer and also it’s quite(imo) a shitty show with a lead actress that is full of herself and can’t even act but i digress .

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    19. Darjan,

      I don’t think so. Girls is in its 5th season and they already announced that season 6 will be the last. They are not going to expect people to jump into the next to last season of a show. Its ratings are its ratings at this point.

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    20. Jared,

      Agreed. Gonna stand behind Roose like that sad-eyed Baratheon last season until he delivers one line. Instead of “There’s not going to he a siege.”, maybe “it’s a traaap!”

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    21. @Sue the Fury- (or anyone who knows) do we have ANY news of Gendry this year coming back? Sorry if this was discussed in earlier threads/articles. I get on for days and then off for days… so Im wondering if I may have missed anything on his character returning? Just kinda hoping he is along with The Hound.. 😉 Thanks in advance!!

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    22. Girls is going into its 5th Season and it is ending next year. Debuting the most anticipated trailer of all time with it instead of its brand new show Vinyl would be bizarre.

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    23. Interesting that the “Old Nan” character is in multiple episodes. We knew about the one flashback with the kids, relating to Hodor, which I’d been thinking would be kind of a “starter” vision for Bran, but if we’re getting multiple episodes set around that period it seems like it’d be a bit more than that.

      Ice Spider,

      Maisie was actually asked about that recently (at the SAGs, I think?) and said that she didn’t know when/whether Joe would be back, and talked about having seen him at a party at Hannah Murray’s house recently (Skins people still keeping in touch, evidently).

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    24. Ice Spider,

      Hey, the GoT account from Latin América published a picture of Gendry (from a previos season) and the comment “Where dou you think he is?” some days ago. I forgot to mention it but you made me remember.

      Maybe its a hint..

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    25. Jack Bauer 24:
      Girls is going into its 5th Season and it is ending next year. Debuting the most anticipated trailer of all time with it instead of its brand new show Vinyl would be bizarre.

      well for now its only just speculations, The trailer we probably release with Vinyl or they will announce it for god knows when with a teaser with some images.

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    26. Jack Bauer 24:
      Girls is going into its 5th Season and it is ending next year. Debuting the most anticipated trailer of all time with it instead of its brand new show Vinyl would be bizarre.

      Totally agree with you but I feel like it’s more of a timing issue rather than a “which show would be best to put this with” issue. I think February 21st just makes more sense in the grand scheme of things. I could see getting a little teaser this weekend and then an announcement that we’ll get a full trailer sometime next week. I saw the queen of nothing, millionth of her name teaser last night on HBO and I was giddy.

      BUT, we are all basically just slaves to whatever they decide to do. All the postulating in the world isn’t going to matter at all. It’s just fun 🙂

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    27. A show in it’s 5th season with an established fanbase like Girls doesn’t need a boost from a GoT trailer but a new show like Vinyl does.

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    28. Thanks for the tidbits to keep us from losing our sh*t, Sue! I’m even more excited to see the flashbacks now!

      Imo, Girls is not a good show, and is thankfully on its way out. It makes sense that the trailer will be connected to Vinyl as the new big buzz show for HBO. And it especially makes sense since I may lose my sh*t if the trailer doesn’t drop SOON! 😉

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    29. I’m not so sure anymore that they will release the trailer just before the premiere of Vinyl. Sure it would attract some viewers, but it would also mean that everybody would be talking about GOT the next day instead of Vinyl.

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    30. HouseMartellBitches,

      Hoping for news on this soon too. So excited for the new Feast/Dance characters. Damphair, Euron, Arnolf Karstark, Randyl Tarly, Wyman Manderly to name a few. Only Randyl, I actually espected to see at some point. Added with High Sparrow, The Waif, Wun Wun, Hizdahr Zo Loraq and Doran Martell, they’re really giving us some great characters from those books. All that’s missing is Septon Meribald, and he might be in it too. I guess I like Mors Umber as well, but I predict SmallJon will have some of his character traits.

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    31. Luka Nieto,

      That’s what I’m fearing. That would be so sad, if he turns out to be a random preast like in s2. Then I would feel double cheated

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    32. Stoked for Young Nan! Excited for Hodor’s potential origin story- but why would young Nan appear in four eps? Unless we are getting some really interesting character developments thus far unknown…. (And scarcely speculated). Will Nan be involved in lyannas story? Will we get some clues as to who is Hodor’s father?

      My money is on linking up with vinyl- if nothing else, to get some viewers to the brand new show…. But the idea for a teaser this wknd followed by a trailer the following actually makes some sense.

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    33. “Fingers crossed for more teasers and promos soon! Are we taking bets on whether HBO will slip a trailer in before the debut of Vinyl (2/14) or the season premiere of Girls (2/21)?”

      Well, I had my bet on the trailer appearing during the Super Bowl, so I’m already out. But, on the plus side, at least I was correct on defense beating offense. Defense always wins, lady and gentlemen. Bet on defense.

      Side note…where is that Seattle Seahawks fans talking alllllllll that shit?!?! 😉 I meant to go back and respond, but then life happened. Any who! Show yourself! I want to continue talking all that mess as a bitter and angry 49ers fan. 😉

      In other news…I have a theory! Not a “wild crazy” theory but one that I legitimately believe will happen. So, check it out. Here’s what I’m thinking. You guys remember in episode 1 where Ned beheads the Night’s Watch guy? And before he beheads him he does the, “I, Eddard of the House Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, sentence you to die.” I’m thinking we’re going to get a replay of that same scene except Sansa will be in the role of Ned (i.e. “I, Sansa of the House Stark, Lady of Winterfell and Wardeness of the North, sentence you [Ramsay] to die.”) Matter of fact, I’m even willing to bet that she’ll swing the sword herself (because it would be very un-Stark-like for her to NOT do it. After all, “The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword,”).

      And I’m thinking these thing will happen because of the filming spoilers and Sophie Turner’s SAG interview. That scene involving the rehearsal between 4 characters (that we generally believe will happen in episode 10) can fit very well into this scenario, especially if it’s an execution scene and not a “negotiation” scene. Furthermore, I think Sophie’s talk about finally getting respect and her revenge (although, for the record, she did NOT explicitly say ‘revenge’, I’m just inferring that that’s what she would have said had she not stopped herself) is more likely to happen if Sansa is in a position of authority. If she’s the “Wardeness of the North” she would have both the authority (respect) and obligation to execute justice (or revenge, depending on how you want to look at it). I think sentencing him to death, and then doing it herself, puts the filming and interview pieces together in a way that makes sense (at least to me…right now…until we get evidence to the contrary). So, yeah. I’m thinking things are going to go down this way. Yay or nay?

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    34. RosanaZugey,

      Sansa couldn’t lift a sword.

      No, really. She has no weapons training, has likely never held one, and those things are damn heavy. Remember the hack job (literally) even Theon did at Winterfell? You have to not only raise it high above your head, but have precision with where it’s going to fall.

      The echo of Ned would be nice, but I don’t think she’s capable of it.

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    35. Pigeon:
      RosanaZugey,

      Sansa couldn’t lift a sword.

      No, really. She has no weapons training, has likely never held one, and those things are damn heavy. Remember the hack job (literally) even Theon did at Winterfell? You have to not only raise it high above your head, but have precision with where it’s going to fall.

      The echo of Ned would be nice, but I don’t think she’s capable of it.

      You know, I had factored in the fact that the woman has no weapon’s training, but then I thought that if she did it with Longclaw or Brienne gives her back Ice (well…the reforged version of Ice), it wouldn’t be heavy to lift. VS is supposed to be lighter than regular steel. Also, the girl’s not handy with weapons, I’ll adamantly concede that point, but neither is she Sweet Robin. 😉 I mean, the girl’s not feeble. I’m sure rage and vengeance will give her all the adrenaline she needs to swing that bad boy. 😉

      Logic would dictate that someone else swing the sword (for the reasons you alluded too), but I don’t know. It just doesn’t feel ‘right’ to me that she would pass the sentence and NOT swing the sword. That would be so anti-Stark (and totally kill the parallel to Ned). What if she runs him through with a sword? More plausible? I’m sure even Sansa can manage that.

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    36. Really hope the trailer is this Sunday and no later. I’m going insane waiting. Glad these articles and comments are here to keep me entertained.

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    37. Trailer, please.

      E: also, I’d prefer for Ramsay to survive and join the Walkers, please, if possible. IceRamsay would be amazing.

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    38. I wake up to another morning with no episode titles, no photos, no trailer. Only the counter is showing we’re one day closer to the premiere.

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    39. zod:
      I’m not so sure anymore that they will release the trailer just before the premiere of Vinyl. Sure it would attract some viewers, but it would also mean that everybody would be talking about GOT the next day instead of Vinyl.

      I dunno, they want eyeballs on Vinyl, their expensive new Scorsese drama, and the best card they can play is to have the trailer play just before the premiere and just before the repeat…the 14th is also the day of the Walking Dead mid-season premiere as well…I’d be utterly shocked if the GOT trailer doesn’t drop that night…

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    40. Laura,

      It’s like saying ” Yeah,we have the actual full trailer done already but we are going to make you wait several more days or a week just because we are dicks”well fuck that mentality . Also why would it make more sense to release it on the 21th,where is the logic in that,they could release it today and it would still make sense,it’s not like anyone looks at the date and says,well yeah today is not a good day for the trailer,come on Laura !

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    41. i:
      Sue the Fury,

      Why do you always react so spitefully? Grow up. You ruin this website.

      As far as I am concerned, she literally makes this website happen. If she is sometimes terse in her replies is only because some commenters only know how to behave like rude entitled children.

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    42. Meanwhile the HBO schedule is up to March 22 and there is no GOT special there. “A Day in life” was out on Feb. 8 last year. Either there will be none this year or in April.

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    43. About Vinyl: if they indeed are going to show a trailer on 14th, wouldn’t they have to announce it by now? Like “Hey, tune in for our new show and if you do, you’ll get an extra something – GOT Season 6 trailer.” I mean if they want more people to come and see Vinyl for the trailer, they should call them. That’s why I have doubts about that. Only 5 days left and no word of a trailer.

      But some time earlier there was this: it says they are working on an IMAX screening f S5 and will show the trailer there. Not sure if legit or not.
      http://highlighthollywood.com/2016/01/video-hbo-making-deal-with-imax-to-put-game-of-thrones-hardhome-jon-snow-twist-on-big-screen-highlight-hollywood-news/

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    44. Since I don’t read casting and filming spoilers/news, I skipped the whole article.
      As I skimmed through the comments, it was nice to see that 80% of the comments were on this damn trailer.
      LOL

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    45. Pigeon:
      RosanaZugey,

      Sansa couldn’t lift a sword.

      No, really. She has no weapons training, has likely never held one, and those things are damn heavy. Remember the hack job (literally) even Theon did at Winterfell? You have to not only raise it high above your head, but have precision with where it’s going to fall.

      Aaaah but that would be a fitting death for Ramsay, a horribly botched execution in which he DIES REALLY SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY. Not that I dislike him or anything, obviously, I never post anything along those lines! 😉 Thinking of horrible deaths for him is a fun way to pass the time when we’re short on news 🙂

      Edit: RosanaZugey No idea how feasible your idea is in practice, but I like it regardless 🙂

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    46. First, my heartfelt thanks to Sue & Crew. Without them behind the scenes we’d have no reputable idea of what is happening “behind the scenes.”

      Second, KaKa, get a life.

      Third, I’m starting to wonder if we’ll get a full trailer or not. If they don’t have it this week, which seems logical, I’m afraid we won’t get one at all. Speaking of being afraid the more I read and hear, I’m really afraid we’ve seen the last of Kit Harrington and that he’s really a dead character (not to be resurrected). I soooo hope I’m wrong.

      A day closer…how time drags:(

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    47. Elizabeth,

      I am sure Jon will come back, remember Sam’s line, it wasn’t put in the show for nothing 😉
      And Sue & Crew are great indeed, they built this site for us to enjoy it. Thanks, guys!

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    48. Gravemaster:
      About Vinyl: if they indeed are going to show a trailer on 14th, wouldn’t they have to announce it by now? Like “Hey, tune in for our new show and if you do, you’ll get an extra something – GOT Season 6 trailer.” I mean if they want more people to come and see Vinyl for the trailer, they should call them. That’s why I have doubts about that. Only 5 days left and no word of a trailer.

      But some time earlier there was this: it says they are working on an IMAX screening f S5 and will show the trailer there. Not sure if legit or not.
      http://highlighthollywood.com/2016/01/video-hbo-making-deal-with-imax-to-put-game-of-thrones-hardhome-jon-snow-twist-on-big-screen-highlight-hollywood-news/

      I think they can announce it by Friday, but if not by Friday then I do not think it will be on Sunday.

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    49. Albin,

      No,they only done it once and that was back in season 4 or 3,also i don’t even think that was the first trailer that they showed .

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    50. Albin:
      Don’t the trailers often premiere on like Jimmy Kimmel or something? I know they’ve done that in the past.

      Season 3 did. Season 4 and 5 did not. Think that was a one time thing.

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    51. Rygritte,

      Stop reading my mind! A general shows up now in the Bolton Army while we never had one before, “Winterfell is mine” in the Stark trailer when I am almost sure it is Roose’s so far, no Michael McElhatton as far as I could see in any pic leaked from the Snowbowl. Let’s just say is not that far of a stretch!

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    52. MP:
      Gravemaster,

      This would be amazing.I was really bummed that no IMAX event was planned. Hoping this is true.

      If they are going to do the IMAX Experience again then I think they’d have to announce it very soon considering the premiere is a little over 2 months away. It would have to be in March, which means it would have to be announced by next week pretty much.

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    53. TormundsWoman,
      Afternoon TW *waves*

      As far as I remember we haven’t heard anything about Michael McE filming at all, nevermind just at Snowbowl? Mind you I have been concentrating my efforts on trying to kill his (screen) son by the power of thought alone so might have missed something. A few posters have said they think Roose probably dies fairly early on in S6, likely at the hands of his delightful offspring. Well he seems to disappear from the story anyway, but is not the sort to run and hide from things so death is the most likely explanation I would guess? Personally I’ll be really sad *extreme sarcasm alert!*

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    54. i,

      If it wasn’t for Sue this place would get completely overrun by a wide assortment of assholes.

      If you don’t like Sue, you don’t like this website, because she literally makes most of it happen. Bow down.

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    55. i: Why do you always react so spitefully? Grow up. You ruin this website.

      Wow. There is to be no trolling of the mods! By boldly breaking off and creating and maintaining this website, these folks have provided us far more hours of entertainment than D&D actually have! I’m sure constructive feedback would be appreciated, but dammit man, have a little respect.

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    56. Jack Bauer 24: If they are going to do the IMAX Experience again then I think they’d have to announce it very soon considering the premiere is a little over 2 months away. It would have to be in March, which means it would have to be announced by next week pretty much.

      Right. I checked the dates of the IMAX Experience and it was announced 17 days before the start (Jan 6 – Jan 23). So they only need 2 weeks to get things going.

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    57. Sue,
      I’m sure all the regulars here, including myself, think you handle trolls like a pro. If they wake the dragon it’s really their own fault. Keep up the good work and bring on that trailer!! 🙂

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    58. umuckurlife: Wow.There is to be no trolling of the mods!By boldly breaking off and creating and maintaining this website, these folks have provided us far more hours of entertainment than D&D actually have!I’m sure constructive feedback would be appreciated, but dammit man, have a little respect.

      I had to laugh when I read the post addressed to Sue. Little dimwitted troll obviously has no clue who the people are that run this site.
      Without them, we have nothing. ..and that would be awful boring.

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    59. Waxfoot:
      RosanaZugey,

      Bold! I enjoy the idea!

      However… I think the part about Sansa doing the deed herself is unlikely. But passing the sentence? I can see that.

      I’m telling you! The situation is going to go down that way, I can feel it. Except, I think she’ll pass the sentence AND swing the sword (or run it into him). If I get even half of the theory right, I’ll consider it a win. 😉

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    60. Lulus Mum: Aaaah but that would be a fitting death for Ramsay, a horribly botched execution in which he DIES REALLY SLOWLY AND PAINFULLY. Not that I dislike him or anything, obviously, I never post anything along those lines! Thinking of horrible deaths for him is a fun way to pass the time when we’re short on news

      Edit: RosanaZugey No idea how feasible your idea is in practice, but I like it regardless

      Thinking up all the horrific ways Ramsay can die is like…a stress reliever. 😉 lol.

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    61. RosanaZugey: Thinking up all the horrific ways Ramsay can die is like…a stress reliever. lol.

      I agree, not sure what it is with me and wanting horrible characters to die. They do make it all the more interesting.
      Ramsey IMO is the worst so far, and I want him to die in the most horrible way. Death by sword would be ..meh..he should be flayed, just as he did with many of his victims. A quick death would be to good for him.

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    62. I’m actually more into creatively killing off Littlefinger. I know Ramsay will eventually bite it, but cockroaches like Baelish stick around like a lingering fart. I want Varys to do the deed.

      I also want Edmure to take out Walder Frey.

      I have zero desire to see either of the Stark girls kill anyone ever, especially after Arya killed Trant. That was so horrifically disturbing. Children who kill bother me.

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    63. RosanaZugey: Thinking up all the horrific ways Ramsay can die is like…a stress reliever. lol.

      Definitely, in fact someone could kill him then get Qyburn or whoever to bring him back so he can be killed all over again. And again. And again. Everyone gets to suggest a way they’d like to see him go and can draw lots on which order it happens in. If they can have shadow babies, white walkers, magic walls, people made of trees etc this is no more ridiculous. I feel better just thinking about it! If it’s good enough for South Park….. 😉

      Edit: HotPinkLipstick once Bolton jr gets it LF is very much in my sights, but I find it easier to concentrate my extreme feelings for characters on them one at a time rather than spread it around, it’s just how I roll 😀

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    64. HotPinkLipstick,

      I like your train of thought. Sansa needs to make LF ‘fly’. I have no problem him going through the hole.

      Yes, the Arya killing Trant scene was something out of a horror movie. Not that he did not deserve to die, but it was gory.

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    65. Newbietothegame,

      Isn’t it too easy, too little suffering? Littlefinger deserves to love and trust someone only to be betrayed and killed by that precise person. Sorry, Sansa must do it! But let her take her time, for him to fully realize what’s happening.

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    66. Can we play board poster Survivor? Because I know which asshole I’m voting out, no matter which name s/he’s using.

      Yeah. I really DO NOT want Sansa to kill anyone ever. Killing someone scars the soul, and Sansa, for all that I find her a whiny drip, doesn’t need that on top of everything else.

      But hell, I’d totally be into Baelish/Moon Door fanfic. Smut fic even. Maybe the Moon Door seduces him?

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    67. Selina,

      I hate Cersei as well but I think that, after the walk of shame, it’s enough for her to have all her children murdered (sorry, Tommen, you’re a nice kid, but this doesn’t count in this world) and be finally killed by Jaime.

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    68. I’d actually like Walder to be murdered by whatever current wife he has. That seems fitting for all the women he has hurt. Meh on Stark revenge, give me the revenge of Walder’s wives.

      I hate Cersei too, but that chick is so doomed. I mean, she’s awaiting trial, has two dead kids and

      Jaime totally abandons her.

      The show makes me a bit bloodthirsty, but there are plenty of characters whose death I would enjoy, Harper’s Island style.

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    69. Tyrion the Myrion:
      Laura,

      It’s like saying ” Yeah,we have the actual full trailer done already but we are going to make you wait several more days or a week just because we are dicks”well fuck that mentality . Also why would it make more sense to release it on the 21th,where is the logic in that,they could release it today and it would still make sense,it’s not like anyone looks at the date and says,well yeah today is not a good day for the trailer,come on Laura !

      lol it’s just speculation you weirdo. BTW, you’re still on the hook for eating dog poop live on these here internets if LSH makes a S6 appearance. Don’t think I’ve forgotten!

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    70. i,

      Sue does have a grain of spite in her responses. Personally I like it, it’s give the administrator a destinct ‘voice’ instead of just coming of as a machine spewing information. But regardless of wheather you like her tone or not, ‘I dont think ‘grow up, your’e ruining this site’ is a comment that that’s gonna get you anywhere, since it comes of as very imature.

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    71. Daverson Stark:

      You’re right. It’s extraordinarily spiteful for someone to point out how someone interprets an exclamation point is “on them,” and beyond spiteful to tell someone to pick a SN and stick to it. I mean, damn, that’s enough to make me go sit in a corner, curl up in a little ball, and rock back and forth as tears stream down my face.

      /sarcasm

      Sue, or should we call you Spitey McSpiteful ;), thanks so much for this casting news. As you know, we’re all desperate for something, anything, and this definitely helps.

      I, for one, am incredibly excited to see Young Old Nan. That woman knows things. It’s probably too much to hope that we get a lot of info. about her, as only so much can be fit into 10 episodes, but a girl can hope.

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    72. RosanaZugey: I’m telling you! The situation is going to go down that way, I can feel it. Except, I think she’ll pass the sentence AND swing the sword (or run it into him). If I get even half of the theory right, I’ll consider it a win.

      I had the same thought when I read the post about the conversation in the courtyard of Winterfell. I also thought it was very particular that the article said the scene had a lot of “tension.”

      My theory is that Sansa passes Ramsay’s sentence, realizes she can’t reliably swing the sword, and hangs and/or quarters him instead so that killing him with her own hand means kicking out the stool or turning the last crank or somesuch.

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    73. Sue the Fury:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      I wouldn’t sweat the trolls. They’re easy enough to extinguish.

      Oh man, I could have sworn I heard this wicked laugh when I read this. ?
      Thanks for all you hard work, Sue and all the other mods. The time between seasons went by so much faster since I found this place.

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    74. HotPinkLipstick:
      I’m actually more into creatively killing off Littlefinger. I know Ramsay will eventually bite it, but cockroaches like Baelish stick around like a lingering fart. I want Varys to do the deed.

      I also want Edmure to take out Walder Frey.

      I have zero desire to see either of the Stark girls kill anyone ever, especially after Arya killed Trant. That was so horrifically disturbing. Children who kill bother me.

      Don’t worry – TWoW spoiler

      GRRM has Arya on a career change to caring for orphans and opening a kitten sanctuary 😀

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    75. I really liked the Baratheon General from season 5, he was one of the few to show some distress over Shireen’s burning. I’m sure this Bolton General will be a nice addition too. Maybe he will be leading a cavalry charge?

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    76. RosanaZugey,

      So, to address this without Sansa-bashing….

      ( good grief people, between hating Girls so much you’re offended at the idea of GoT trailer airing at the end of it and losing no chance to dump on Sansa, this comment section is getting gross fast…/soapbox)

      …I am just dying for Sansa to get an “off with his head!” moment, and I think it has a good chance of happening. However I don’t think she’ll be the executioner. Not because she physically couldn’t–I agree that with a Valyrian steel sword of normal size, like Longclaw, Sansa could get in a good solid chop after a few practice strokes (on a stump)–but because the thematic arc of her character is so oriented towards redemption and rebuilding. We see this with Sandor Clegane, Ser Dontos, Sweetrobin, her singing during Blackwater, even with Shae to a certain extent–and in the show this also plays out in her Winterfell arc, with Sansa being so determined to go home and start rebuilding Winterfell that she’s willing to put up and even breed with Boltons. And she does, in fact, somewhat begin to redeem Theon even in such terrible circumstances. (PS I generally hate her Winterfell arc, but I do see how D&D were trying to preserve her “agent of redemption” theme even in that misogynistic cesspool.) Basically, doing physical violence does not seem to be Sansa’s thing, no matter how richly deserved it may be. And I think that’s part of her strength, not a weakness.

      I also do not think that the Stark prerogative to pass sentence & swing the sword actually applies to women, due to there being no expectation that the Lady of Winterfell would have any weapons training. Being there to look the condemned in the eye and hear his last words (since that’s really the point of “do it yourself” in the first place) should suffice to establish Sansa’s Starkiness.

      And I’m sure Jon will be tickled pink if she outsources the deed to him.

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    77. Also, I bet we are going to get this line from book Roose before we see the last of him, only altered a bit. “Go find Sansa before you make me rue the day I raped your mother”
      I bet Michael would be able to pull it off in such a scary way, I just love him as Roose. I really hope the speculations about his demise are wrong.

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    78. Lulus Mum,

      LOL you have been trying to write Ramsay off in a cruel manner by strong suggestion! I think Benioff and Weiss will take care of that when time comes. Martin will take a bit longer but I have no doubt that will happen too.

      I haven’t been reading much for a while about GoT so I wasn’t aware Michael hasn’t been spotted around filming sets at all. I just knew about the Snowbowl because I was more active here then. It really does look like that’s the most logical conclusion for the show, I suppose.

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    79. the crimson king,

      Hello there, I’m so sorry but i’ve got to ask this from you good ser/lady, are you actually a fan of King Crimson? You know the prog-rock legend. Sorry if this seems like a silly question but i’m a huge fan of them and progressive rock in general and i thought that it was nice to know someone else like me.
      Apologies for going off topic like this.

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    80. RosanaZugey,

      I don’t think that Sansa will actually be the one who executes Ramsay, but I do hope that she plays a role in his demise. I have a dream scenario kicking around my mind in which a captured Ramsay is brought before Sansa and Jon in the Winterfell courtyard after the Stark loyalists have smashed the Bolton army. Sansa denounces Ramsay for his crimes against both the Starks and the North and sentences him to death. Ramsay, still trying to play his mind games right to the end, mentions the Stark ethos that “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword” and mocks Sansa for not following her father’s words (how he would know about those words, I don’t know. Maybe Roose brought it up once as example of Ned’s inflexible sense of honor).

      Sansa, however, refuses to take the bait. She just looks at her husband coldly and says that while she values her father’s sense of honor, this is a special case. She doesn’t care who swings the sword, as long as when the blade falls, she becomes a widow. Ramsay’s smug smile fades, and Sansa nods to Jon, who forces the bastard of Bolton to his knees and takes his head off with Longclaw.

      I find this particular fantasy scenario satisfying because it would allow Sansa to play a central role in Ramsay’s demise and assert her place as Ned’s daughter and heir without forcing her to pick up the sword (which, unfortunately, I don’t think would look as cool on screen as it sounds). It would also show that Sansa’s experiences have instilled in her a sense of practicality, ruthlessness, and a willingness to be flexible within a rigid code of honor in order to efficiently achieve the desired goal – a skill that Ned, unfortunately, never learned.

      For the record, I don’t think this is how Ramsay’s death will ultimately happen on the show. But it’s a fun idea to think about whenever I need a little pick-me-up. 😉

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    81. Shy Lady Dragon,

      Hi there my friend, i was reading some of other comments in last post and i realized some of the commenters were trying to comfort you, so was or is there something wrong shy lady? I hope not dear.

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    82. RosanaZugey,

      Don’t think anyone has a problem with it taking more than one whack & getting messy! That’s why Anne Boleyn asked for a French swordsman at the last…

      Though I think it makes sense for Sansa to never do any actual killing, I’d like a moment of clarity in which she realizes she’s the reason Cersei was able to wrong-foot Ned.

      Also,

      old Nan=Azor Ahai

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    83. Henry Gordon:
      RosanaZugey,

      Don’t think anyone has a problem with it taking more than one whack & getting messy!That’s why Anne Boleyn asked for a French swordsman at the last…

      Mary Queen of Scots’ head took three whacks to remove. Seems that execution by decapitation via axe or sword is not an exact science.

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    84. Daughter of Winter,

      Hello, my Winter friend! Thanks for your concern! Unfortunately, I happen to be at a painful crossing in my life and some friendly people like Lulus Mum, JCDavies, Nymeria Warrior Queen, Irishton and Ashara D stood by my side making me both grateful and ashamed that I had managed to make a big fuss about my problems *blushing* Anyway, they are great and so are you 🙂

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    85. Jack Bauer 24:
      Damn HBO just tweeted this, but no mention of the GoT trailer

      I don’t think we’re getting it Sunday.

      Have they “announced” a trailer before? I don’t seem to recall an announcement for the trailer last year, or one for the year before…

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    86. Newbietothegame: Don’t be discouraged, I think the GoT trailer will air after Vinyl.

      Why would they do that? A GOT trailer after Vinyl would make sense only if it was known (because many GOT viewers would watch Vinyl just to see the trailer). Now HBO never said it will happen, so there’s no reason for them to air it after Vinyl…

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    87. Jared: Sansa, however, refuses to take the bait. She just looks at her husband coldly and says that while she values her father’s sense of honor, this is a special case. She doesn’t care who swings the sword

      Echoing the way Robb refused to be baited by Jaime when Jaime was captured and suggested a one-on-one sword fight between them. Robb laughed in his face. Great scene, I thought. The scene you’ve imagined would be so satisfying.

      It seems we are all hungering for vengeance via Sansa and/or Arya; we want them to take down Littlefinger, Roose, Ramsay, maybe a random Frey or two. SOMEthing akin to revenge better happen this season – even the most gentle ladies on this site are starting to get bloodthirsty. It’s eerie.

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    88. TormundsWoman,
      There’s so much injustice and pain and suffering in this story and so little comeuppance for the perpetrators. I know that’s how real life works but I don’t care! If I can somehow influence GoTworld I will try my bestest, even if it’s just by screaming at the tv (very quietly as it’s on at 2am here). Using Ramsay as target practice to psych myself up for S6 so I’ll be ready to kick the screen in in a whirlwind of fury from the very second it starts. “And now on Sky Atlantic, the new series of Game of Thrones daa daa dadada daaa” “DIE YOU BASTAAAAAARDS!” *SMASH* instant feeling of inner peace and achievement! 😀

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    89. Apparently at one execution they had to halt things as the condemned man was saying his last words because a snowball

      (not bowl)

      fight had broken out in the crowd of spectators! 🙁

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    90. Daughter of Winter,

      Yeah, neither can I. I hated Jaime at that time, but after the bath scene my feelings towards him were completely changed. Cersei, on the other hand, become more and more deserving to be hated. But when I saw her suffering at Joffrey’s death and at the walk of shame I felt that she began to pay for what she had done to the Starks. Don’t forget, we’ll see her reaction at Myrcella’s death, she’ll lose her last child and she truly loves her children. And I think she will die by Jaime’s hand, the only man she has ever loved – as much she can love a man. Cersei is easy to punish because she had/has people to lose. I’m more worried about characters who love nobody, like Walder Frey and even Littlefinger – it’s not love what he feels for Sansa.

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    91. Moka,

      Consider the unannounced GoT trailer the bait. We all expect it on Sunday, so we will be watching HBO, and Vinyl, their new show. Does that make sense?

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    92. Laura,

      Ok, it’s not like i said i’m backing out or anything,but anyway i’m a bit grumpy after weeks of no information so you have to understand me .

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    93. Daughter of Winter,

      The last message, referring to Jaime and Cersei, was meant for Selina – as you can see, I post the same to her. I requested the message deleted, but for some reason it is still there.

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    94. Tyrion the Myrion:
      Laura,

      Ok, it’s not like i said i’m backing out or anything,but anyway i’m a bit grumpy after weeks of no information so you have to understand me .

      I think we’re ALL grumpy and just trying to make the best of a “bad” situation. I would seriously give all the money in my bank account right now for this trailer. It’s not much, but it might buy the fabric for a Braavosi extra or something. 😛

      I would also like to put it out into the universe that I do not want another leak this year like last year. Watching nearly half the season in one day was fun but then it made those following 4 weeks torturous!

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    95. Shy Lady Dragon,

      What did I miss Lady D?! I’m sorry to hear this. Whatever you’re going through I hope it passes quickly and brighter days are just around the corner for you. I’m glad you’ve gotten support here, you deserve it, especially with how wonderful you have been to others.

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    96. Jared:
      RosanaZugey,

      Ramsay, still trying to play his mind games right to the end, mentions the Stark ethos that “the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword” and mocks Sansa for not following her father’s words (how he would know about those words, I don’t know. Maybe Roose brought it up once as example of Ned’s inflexible sense of honor).

      “The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword” is not a Stark pecularity. It’s a First Men tradition; almost all the Northern lords do it.

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    97. Shy Lady Dragon,

      Although we can’t see each other but this place and it’s amazing people like you my friend are as i noted before like my second family and therefore i’ll do anything i can in case they’re facing any sort of problems/concerns even if it is only through words.
      And i’m pretty sure whatever problems you’re dealing with right now you’ll take care of them elegantly my lady.

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    98. Many would want to see a scene of Ramsay execution with Sansa swinging the sword or making the sentence. But I dont think this will play off that way, its not part of Sansa character and her evolution. Even if a execution scene in Winterfell courtyard happens, I think Sansa will stare proudly but not take an active part.

      This is Game of Thrones and characters play their natural reactions according character. Sansa has never swing a sword, she’s the passive, words and lies player (and even in that, she hasnt been good). The only active thing she has achieved is to fly from Winterfell.

      If Sansa executes Ramsay this will be for dramatic and cinematic momentum in the show, I wont see how that would happen in the books.

      I wouldnt expect a mythical death for Ramsay. If he dies, he will probably in battle or execution. Show viewers expected a gruesome death for Joffrey, and it played off very simply.

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    99. YgritTe,

      Thank you, you are as nice to me as you have always been, wild one! It’s just the end of the relationship that meant and still means a lot for me. I feel lost and can’t imagine the future. The only things that I’m waiting for are season 6 and, hopefully, TWOW, which I still hope will be published some day.

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    100. Tywin of the Hill,

      Don’t recall any other Northern Lord saying this on the show. Just Ned telling Bran that their way was the old way before he states it. Old way could mean family tradition.

      This is only fresh in my mind because I recently watched Ep101 again.

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    101. George: Have they “announced” a trailer before? I don’t seem to recall an announcement for the trailer last year, or one for the year before…

      They announced it beforehand for Seasons 3, 4, and 5.

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    102. HotPinkLipstick:
      Rygar,

      Winds was published. We’ve all read it and discussed it. We’ve moved on to discussing Madame Bovary.

      It’s a damn good think I hadn’t just taken a sip of a beverage when I read your post, or it would have ended up all over my computer screen!

      Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
      hahahahahahahaha…
      hahaha…

      ha.

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    103. So if younger Old Nan is in two episodes, that just confirms my belief that we Bran’s visions won’t be complete but spread out.. If Hodor’s backstory has some importance to the plot, it won’t make much sense to put that in one of the first two episodes, but place it later in one of Bender’s episodes in the run up to the season climax.

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    104. Lulus Mum,

      Don’t you do it Lulu’s Mom!!!! DO NOT GIVE IN to those in this thread (I have seen you, and you know who you are GeekFurious) that say this story is not an comeuppance story. In part it is and before long we will see the ones that hurt the ones we love the most suffer! Stannis died because he let loose his shadow child with Mel on his brother, Tywin died because he did bad stuff to his son (and thus many have been revenged!), Ser Meryn paid with his life for Syrio as did Polliver, Joff is miraculously left gasping for air for future crimes against Margery (but who cares why, right?! Better to prevent than to fix) etc.

      I think revenge is a powerful storyline tool. Sometimes overused but never forgotten in ASoIaF. There is a reason why Arya has a kill list, why “the North Remembers”. Sure not all will reap what they sow but I hope some house cleaning will happen before long.

      #InnerPeaceAchievementConfirmed!

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    105. I wonder whether Roose might retreat to the Dreadfort mid-season leaving Winterfell to Ramsay and Ramsay to his fate? For example he could have learned that Littlefinger is coming with an army.

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    106. Rygar,

      Game of Thrones Season 4 – History and Lore of Westeros – Justice of the Seven Kingdoms – Bronn

      If you are in the capital, it is the King’s Justice who takes your head. Elsewhere in the south, the headsman of the local lord. But in the North it is the lord himself. “The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword”, they say up there. It sound noble, but given some of the Northern lords I’ve met, they just don’t want anyone else spoiling their fun.

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    107. RosanaZugey,

      How amazing would it be if this actually happened?

      I have to agree with the others that it’s unlikely as I don’t think it would be considered ‘proper’ for a lady to do it even if she could, however seems like a perfect task to delegate to Jon or even Rickon (if he’s big enough) or possibly even Theon or Brianne??

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    108. alienarea:
      I wonder whether Roose might retreat to the Dreadfort mid-season leaving Winterfell to Ramsay and Ramsay to his fate? For example he could have learned that Littlefinger is coming with an army.

      Why would he?

      1. Winterfell is one of the hardest castle’s to take in the North. While Yara managed to gain entry to the Dreadfort pretty easily..
      2. As Roose said, he had enough provisions to outlast Stannis if a siege happened. He doesn’t know what the current state of the provisions at the Dreadfort is.
      3. It’s snowing outside. To the point where Stannis needed magic to get to Winterfell. The Dreadfort is a little bit more northern than Winterfell, so he’ll have the weather against him big time.
      4. Going outside also leaves Roose exposed to any Northern House that doesn’t agree with him being Warden of the North. In the books, there’s still some hostages the Crown has stashed in the Twins, but this isn’t clear if it is the same in the show. A Hornwood force would easily intercept and ambush a Bolton party travelling towards the Dreadfort, as Hornwood lies right in the middle of that route.

      And we know the Hornwoods fight against the Bolton’s in the SnowBowl, so they apparently have no issue going against what the Crown has dictated/don’t have to worry about hostages.

      So in the show, Roose leaving Winterfell to retreat to the Dreadfort at this point would be a catastrophic move without having enough reason to go through the trouble. If he could outlast Stannis in a siege, he could very well outlast Littlefinger and his Valemen in a siege.

      And aren’t the Bolton’s in control of Moat Cailin? How the heck is Littlefinger going to get an army to Winterfell??? Logical answer would be by ships sailing from Gulltown up the White Knife. But yeah, let LF do what Dany never did.. xD

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    109. Ser Oromis Locke,

      You have to remember that the Vale has not lost a single soldier during the War of the Five Kings, so they probably have around 30,000-40,000 men. Roose is smart enough to know that he cant win against that. If he smuggled himself past the Ironborn, he can probably do the same with the Hornwoods.
      We cant really nitpick about this, if the plot demands that he goes to the Dreadfort for some reason, then he will go.
      I’m not saying that this is what’s going to happen, but I believe it is a possibility.

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    110. What if Walda’s baby is a misdirection? Perhaps Roose’s supposed absence will not be because of Ramsay, but rather because Roose Bolton is captured by loyal Stark bannermen during some sort of Northern Lord assembly. If Roose Bolton is captured or killed, it would absolutely drive Ramsay over the edge.

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    111. Shy Lady Dragon: when I saw her suffering at Joffrey’s death and at the walk of shame I felt that she began to pay for what she had done to the Starks.

      I enjoyed The Walk in the books very much mostly because we knew her thoughts & I had my pitchfork ready. I was really looking forward to it in the show, but it turned out to be very uncomfortable to watch (just as D&D intended). I skip that scene the most.

      It’s similar to watching Arya scratch Trant off her list. I enjoyed reading Arya kill whether it was with 57 daggers or her sexuality, but watching Arya kill Trant so coldly wasn’t as awesome (probably intentional). Maybe I need to watch it again. I tend to skip that scene, too.

      Shy Lady Dragon: the only man she has ever loved – as much she can love a man.

      Book Cersei does not love Jaime. She never did. She loved Rhaegar more than Jaime. She used Jaime from the start.

      Cersei is easy to punish because she had/has people to lose.

      I can’t wait ’til she finds out about Trant. She’ll probably accuse Mace of killing him behind his back. Qyburn’s monster has some big shoes to fill. Will he rise to the challenge?

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    112. This is just my opinion, but…

      I think the show especially has been trying to telegraph, quite clearly, that the revenge you think you want to see is going to be difficult to stomach, in all circumstances (and if you didn’t find it difficult to stomach, you may have been watching incorrectly). And there is a message inherent in that, that vengeance is problematic, and will therefore (in this tale) come at a cost. Cersei’s walk, Meryn Trant’s death, Brienne’s choice to kill Stannis… these are all just the tip of the iceburg. I think we’re supposed to feel at least mildly unsettled in our stomachs as each occurrence is happening. That makes me suspect that some big act of revenge that will lead us to be out and out horrified is coming, and will cause us to rock back and forth on our heels saying, “Oh GOD, I thought I wanted to see that and now I absolutely want to unsee it.”

      JMHO.

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    113. RosanaZugey,
      I doubt Sansa will physically kill Ramsay because she’s supposed to be badass this season (I think) and she will look silly trying to pick up a sword. She didn’t even keep her nail pendant or beer tap. However, this could be possible foreshadowing in S4 that she passes the sentence:

      Robin: What do you do with all the bad people and the scary people and the people you don’t like?

      Sansa: I never did anything with them at all. Girls didn’t take part in that where I came from.

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    114. TormundsWoman,

      Agreed about the power of revenge. That’s why I’m holding out hope (which certainly means it won’t happen) that Arya ends the miserable life of Walder Frey. Unlike Edmure who was being bedded, or the Blackfish who was heeding nature’s call, she was on site during the Red Wedding carnage, witnessing that most gruesome atrocity of Robb/Grey Wind. While I also found the Meryn Trant killing over-the-top in gore, I think that it is her hand which should dispense justice here.

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    115. Well usually there would be at least a teaser of a trailer by now if HBO was planning to release one with Vinyl…

      This worries me!

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    116. Newbietothegame: Hmm, that MUST have hurt…just sayin

      In some places, the victim would leave a tip in advance for the headsman to do it in one clean blow. I am not sure how it was determined whether the headsman earned his tip, though.

      We certainly are a sick and depraved species.

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    117. Bufferzone,

      Wow: I thought that I’d read that Fripp had retired. Well, of course, people can always un-retire.

      Maybe the King Crimson members can appear in Game of Thrones as musicians during a R’hllor ceremony. (Hey, trying to keep it on topic! 😀 )

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    118. kit_hepburn,
      However, I watched Arya take out Polliver many times. I think everyone cheered that kill. The Frey kill was good, too. The main thing I don’t like about Cersei’s walk is the scene is too long. I know it’s a long walk & I’m glad they kept bits from the books, but it’s too long.

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    119. Rygritte:
      RosanaZugey,I doubt Sansa will physically kill Ramsay because she’s supposed to be badass this season (I think) and she will look silly trying to pick up a sword. She didn’t even keep her nail pendant or beer tap. However, this could be possible foreshadowing in S4 that she passes the sentence:

      Oooooooooo. Good call back!! *Fist bump* I’d forgotten about that exchange.

      But no matter how brilliant your observation was, I gotta stick with my original idea that she does the dead herself. Sansa is not going to stay this ‘non violent’ character forever. I mean, even if we ignore the prophesy from the books (i.e. “…slay a savage giant in a castle built of snow…” Heck, I would even include the fact that she mounted the doll’s head on the walls of Winterfell as a part of that prophesy/foreshadowing), you have Tyrion’s foreshadowing that, “Sansa’s not a killer. Not yet, anyways.” The girl WILL kill someone, plain and simple. The only question is: who’ll be the person she kills?

      Now, popular consensus is that she’ll kill LF. Only problem with that (for this season) is that she has no reason to kill him. I mean yeah, that tool sold her off like a prostitute for his own agenda, but quite frankly, we don’t know if Sansa views the situation that way. And since she doesn’t know that LF betrayed her Father (and she’s not likely to find out any time soon) there’s no reason for her to get her “revenge” on him. The only person who has sexually, physically, emotionally, etc., done her wrong is Ramsay, thus, the only person she’d need to get her revenge on would be with him. And that’s got to be “personal”. You can’t outsource that. As an audience member, it would infinitely mean more to me to watch HER kill him then to watch Jon, or Brienne, or whomever else kill him. He didn’t rape any of those other people, he raped HER. To deny her even the opportunity/pleasure of putting an end to her tormenter would just be…ugh. Like, fuck! You guys couldn’t even give her that?!? So, she can’t save herself, and now she can’t even take justice for herself either? *Rolls eyes* If these cats are going to go all out with Sansa this season, then go ALL OUT! Fuck it! Have her kill him and dispel with this perpetual “worthless/victim” categorization once and for all.

      Hell, she doesn’t have to swing a sword. Take a side blade, whisper in his ear, “Our blades are sharp as well,” and slice that bastard’s throat. There! Done and done! That’s my vote. 😉

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    120. Daughter of Winter,

      King Crimson rocks. Trey Gunn (not a founding member) lives in my neighborhood, and has become a pretty good friend. He’s got great stories of his time with KC.

      I saw them open for tool quite a few years back. Maynard described it to some mouth breathing meathead who was heckling KC as being like “debbie gibson opening for brittney spears”. lol.

      Wimsey,

      Just watched a thing with Visconti about recording “Heroes”- they brought Fripp in for some guitar work and on that song he was playing guitar live through Eno’s suitcase synth to get those spacey tones. Pretty rad.

      I have no idea how to connect this to the topic at hand. I am shameless.

      Must needs trailer.

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    121. Rygritte,

      I felt more than uncomfortable, horrified while watching the walk of shame. I had been expecting that scene as deserved punishment and had been curious how it would be done, but when it was on I got scared by the mob in KL, they seemed worse than Cersei. Trant’s being killed was horrible, but I watched it glad that one of the horrible guys got what he had deserved. And Maisie is such a terrific actress and it was for the first time when she didn’t look like a child, but like a young woman. I don’t remember Cersei using Jaime from the beginning, but years have passed since I read the books.

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    122. keltia,

      One of the hardest things for me to watch is Robb with Grey Winds head. Killing is one thing, but this useless sacrilege makes my skin crawl.

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    123. I’d like to posit the existence of a new phenomenon in theoretical physics: The Martin Field. This is similar to a black hole (and the black hole horizon), but states that a potential observer experiences time dilation as they draw closer and closer to observing Jon Snow’s resurrection. This is why witnessing the actual resurrection event is impossible – in the centre of mass of the plot, time dilates into infinity.

      This novel concept would explain both the inability of GRRMartin to write the book describing the resurrection event (hence the name of the phenomenon), and the inability of HBO to release the apposite trailer.

      Paper coming soon.

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    124. Jared,

      It would be great to see this, even if it won’t be completely original:

      Ramsay: The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Didn’t your lord father ever teach you that?

      Sansa: I am no man.

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    125. Newbietothegame: I agree, not sure what it is with me and wanting horrible characters to die. They do make it all the more interesting.
      Ramsey IMO is the worst so far, and I want him to die in the most horrible way. Death by sword would be ..meh..he should be flayed, just as he did with many of his victims. A quick death would be to good for him.

      I always felt Joffrey got off easy….lol. I’m always in for justified violence and the more I abhor the character the more painful I want it to be, so I’m with you.

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    126. TormundsWoman,
      Mmmm perhaps I didn’t word it very well, I’m thinking more of proportionate comeuppance – people getting the ending they truly deserve. For someone really awful it could be the thing they most fear, which might not be death at all but a long existence of the worst kind they could imagine.

      I would like to stress that this only applies to pretend people and stories! I probably sound like some mega right-wing eye-for-an-eye type on here when I’m totally different IRL, but it is quite therapeutic, and fun, to enjoy hating a fictional boogeyman! 😀

      Edit: Elizabeth’s post just above this one. Are you me posting under a different name? 😉

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    127. Arthur:
      Well usually there would be at least a teaser of a trailer by now if HBO was planning to release one with Vinyl…

      This worries me!

      I am worried too that those 3 teasers and the “flashback” with Bloodraven and Bran is all we are going to get….(bites nails nervously)..but then I also have doubts about Jon Snow….

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    128. Yaga,

      Yaga:
      I’d like to posit the existence of a new phenomenon in theoretical physics: The Martin Field. This is similar to a black hole (and the black hole horizon), but states that a potential observer experiences time dilation as they draw closer and closer to observing Jon Snow’s resurrection. This is why witnessing the actual resurrection event is impossible – in the centre of mass of the plot, time dilates into infinity.

      This novel concept would explain both the inability of GRRMartin to write the book describing the resurrection event (hence the name of the phenomenon), and the inability of HBO to release the apposite trailer.

      Paper coming soon.

      You just made my day! I laughed out loud when I read your post. It’s so very true!

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    129. Well we are getting something this month.
      November jon snow promo poster
      December bran and blood raven teaser trailer
      January the three houses teaser voice overs
      February ????
      March ??
      It looks like we are getting a little bit at a time, it’s only a matter of when we get it.

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    130. Matthew The Dragon Knight:
      Well we are getting something this month.
      November jon snow promo poster
      December bran and blood raven teaser trailer
      January the three houses teaser voice overs
      February ????
      March ??
      It looks like we are getting a little bit at a time, it’s only a matter of when we get it.

      But…I want it now..now..now (stomps feet like a 4 year old)…sigh..

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    131. Elizabeth,
      Aaah but has anyone ever seen both of us together at the same time? 😉

      Sorry Yaga’s Martin Field post has blown my tiny mind and I’m now imaging all sorts of parallel universe, do I even exist? type questions which I am woefully under equipped to answer. I’ll just go back to thinking of horrible deaths for my most hated characters instead, much easier on the brain cells! 🙂

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    132. Lulus mum

      Mmmm perhaps I didn’t word it very well, I’m thinking more of proportionate comeuppance – people getting the ending they truly deserve. For someone really awful it could be the thing they most fear, which might not be death at all but a long existence of the worst kind they could imagine.

      This made me immediately think of Jaime. He was really awful and what was the most important thing for him? Then… CHOP! He has to live the rest of his life as a cripple, can’t wield a sword!

      Now he is learning to use his left hand – and learning to be a better person.

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    133. talvikorppi,
      Yeah Jaime’s a great example of one of the (many) characters who fall in the grey area between the extremes of really good or bad. His punishment, if that’s the right word, has changed him for the better and maybe he can atone for his previous awfulness, he’s certainly showing promising signs. Some are waaaay beyond that though, another 20 lifetimes won’t undo the damage they’ve done. *cough* looking at YOU certain people, you know who you are! 😉 Although I bet if we had a poll fans’ views on who are the best/worst in the story and how justified they were in their actions would vary tremendously 🙂

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    134. I wonder if beefing up the screentime of Young Old Nan might have anything to do with D & D wanting to whet our appetites for a Dunk & Egg follow-up series, or to gauge the level of audience interest. Jed Murray is only 6′ 2″, so probably not Dunk the Lunk.

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