Pre-season Game of Thrones viewership post

There is less than one week to go until the new season, which means that we will once more discuss viewership numbers each week – right after we have covered all the (developing) plot points, of course. A man has to have priorities.

While HBO has decided not to release ratings themselves anymore, we still expect to get our hands on the numbers each Tuesday. In order to prepare for it, we have to refresh our memories as to where things stand after the first four seasons, with the return of Marko’s beloved chart (TM):

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This graphics compares the numbers of the initial airing of each of Game of Thrones episode against the viewership of other successful HBO series we have reliable data on. Longer or shorter seasons have been proportionally scaled to fit the 10-episode run of Thrones.

Especially with the advance of more and more ways to watch HBO shows at your own leisure, the most important number for the network is of course that of total viewers, regardless of whether they watch it live, with delay, or via streaming services on demand. That number, for the last season, stands at the record high of 19 million per episode. We will keep an eye on the developments. In the meanwhile, tracking the initial live viewership will serve as an interesting indication when we hold it against the data presented in the chart that has been collected so far.

Last season saw the numbers rise to over 7 million. Where will the curve turn next? Do you think the show has once more added new viewers between season? I believe that is not at all unlikely. You are warmly invited to speculate in the comments!

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    1. Good post, Marko! Did the total viewers ever break 20 million last season? I thought that it did, but even if not, it definitely will this season thanks to continued buzz and the launch of HBO Now.

      Remember those days when we were worried about Boardwalk Empire being the big HBO drama that would get all the attention? Or how we were nervous because True Blood‘s second season exploded in popularity and GoT was still relatively flat? Haha. Silly us.

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    2. I don’t think the addition will be that great this year, partly because of HBO Now. I’d guess that the premiere is around 7.5 million and then the season will top at around 8 million.

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    3. Generic “ratings of the first viewing don’t matter” complaint post, grumble grumble, get off my lawn. (C) 2013

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    4. Winter,

      Wow, look who it is!

      True Blood already exploded with popularity a couple years before GoT premiered. It’s 2nd season premiered in 2009, it hit 5m live viewers and stayed around there the next few seasons and then went down for it’s last few. I remember that being the main target everybody wanted to top. It’s strange to see just how big and part of the zeitgeist GoT has become when looking back at the early days of the show. I remember I used to get excited just hearing it mentioned in the media or referenced on another TV show. Now I almost sometimes almost long for the days when it was a little more cultish.

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    5. 8 milion for the season premiere, 9 milion for the finale.

      I know this is never gonna happen, but with GoT being simulcasted to over 170 countries this year, it would be really awesome to have the worldwide ratings.

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    6. Random attempt at hijacking a post.

      Characters in the wind…chances that they’ll show up, one way or another, in season 5:

      1. Salladhor Saan – He may run his one-a-season streak to four seasons. I don’t know exactly how (or rather, I have a good idea, but I’m not going to say why), but he’s a favorite minor character. Odds: 80%.

      2. Yara Greyjoy — Somehow, I don’t think we’re done with her, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she was there for an episode or two. It’s possible she rethinks her feelings about her brother’s “death,” in her words. It would be maddeningly inconsistent, given how abruptly she left the Dreadfort, but there has to be a way. Odds: 55%.

      3. Balon Greyjoy — The only one of the three leeches unaccounted for. That loop will be closed eventually. It has to be. Odds: 50%.

      4. Hot Pie — There are only so many times people can go to the Inn at the Crossroads, even if it is at the crossroads. Figure that ups the odds, plus, it would leave him as one of the few to manage to get to 5 straight seasons that isn’t a main character. Odds 38%.

      5. Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion — One has to figure they show up, somewhere, somehow. If not all of them, at least one of them. Odds: 33%.

      6. Osha and Rickon Stark: We will have to see them again, one would think. This year? Probably not. Odds

      7. Gendry Waters — Is he really still out on the goddamned boat? Odds: 20%.

      8. Quaithe — More because I’d love to see Laura Pradelska’s shadowbinder again. But I’m not putting a lot of hope in that bet. Odds 4%.

      9. Mord — NO GOLD! NO GOLD!! Odds 0.0003%.

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    7. JamesL,

      Hey there! I had kind of disconnected from GoT news for much of the offseason because I wanted to go into this season as unspoiled as possible. I’ve only watched the very first trailer and nothing else. Haven’t read any reviews either. I know next to nothing about what to expect come Sunday! Should be fun!

      That being said, now that the show is starting up again, I’ll probably be hanging around here a bit more.

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    8. Winter,

      I wish I could have done that, I’m too weak though + I really enjoy speculating based on interviews and trailers, what I don’t like is people posting spoilers based on leaked screeners. Even so, I’m sure I’m gonna enjoy the first 4 episodes and the season as a whole.

      Nice to see you here again, Phil.

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    9. Looking forward to the return of these posts! While the live viewership for the initial airing no longer holds much significance for the show and its future, it’s still fun to keep track of the numbers and celebrate each new series high. With more available outlets than ever to watch the series (including, as of yesterday, HBO Now) there is a fair chance that live ratings may level off a bit. On the other hand, Game of Thrones is more popular than ever. Every year, its level of cultural influence seems to increase, and every year more people catch up with the series between seasons. Meanwhile the number of people who claim in comment sections that they’re going to stop watching the show for whatever reason continues to be small enough as to be rendered statistically irrelevant (that, or those viewers aren’t actually holding to that promise). As the series passes the books, I don’t doubt that some of those viewers actually will follow through on their claims, but they’ll be far outstripped by the new viewers, as ever.

      I predict that the live ratings will still go up this season – not astronomically, but enough for at least one more series high. Somewhere between 8 and 9 million seems a reasonable estimate. Meanwhile, the total number of people watching Game of Thrones across all platforms will be higher than ever. Breaking 20 million is a reasonable goal this year. Of course, the number of people watching the series already far exceeds that number when you factor in international viewership, piracy, etc.

      One minor note: Boardwalk Empire ended last fall after five seasons, not four. The fifth season was only 8 episodes, however, instead of the usual 12.

      Winter,

      Hey, it’s the Lord Commander! Hey, it’s the Lord Commander! (We’ve all taken the black, but you don’t have to renounce your title). Good to see you around! Good to see you around!

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    10. Winter Phil- wow!

      The number that I would love to see (and most important) is how much $ HBO makes per episode. I know we will never know but the whole future of excellent show production hangs on it.

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    11. Winter,

      Hi Phil,
      No, the number rose slowly to 19 million – with more time passing in which new viewers were able to catch up via all the platforms. The total number can only go up for each particular episode, and the average would drop only if people stopped watching the show mid-season, which doesn’t really happen.

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    12. Interesting, a big change from the books, that Ellaria and the Sand Snakes plan to

      assassinate Myrcella, not crown her. We know she is alive by episode 9, so will the series unfold with their plotting as the episodes progress, or will the attempt fail early (mid season) and they are reigned in as in the books.

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    13. I don’t know much about these things but wouldn’t cutting the cord and getting HBO Now affect the ratings? I think the numbers get rated by total Cable Viewing. If that’s the case than I will assume some numbers will go down unless they count HBO Now.

      Anyway I’m predicting a 9mill

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    14. KrakenDaughter,

      The interviewer made a big deal out of that quote, despite quoting D&D on the subject correctly; by “going off-book” she meant that TWOW is not released, not that D&D aren’t going to be faithful to the unreleased book —they are, basing season six on their conversations with GRRM (as well as outlines and already written chapters, presumably.)

      dob,

      Despite some spelling mistakes, that was a pretty great review 🙂

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    15. tyjon,

      Dude!! what’s the point of covering one sentence if you’re going to spoil it anyway one line down

      Luka Nieto,

      Yeah you’re probably right, add to it that it’s too early for the actors to have gotten the scrips for season 6 , do they get them around May??

      .

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    16. Will those be USA viewings only?
      I don’t think there has ever been a world wide viewership tally.
      I don’t expect to ever see , say, long time, maybe a year’s sum … but am guessing HBO knows it.
      As far as I know we never got total for season 4 DVD sales.

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    17. The ratings don’t matter anymore. Between HBO, HBO Now and international viewership, the show will have enough viewers to get a big budget to finish out the series.

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    18. D&D in Rolling Stone, on the endgame:

      “We’re not sure whether it’s going to end up being, say, 70 or 75 hours — but it can’t be 100 hours. It would start to feel like a bogged-down mess.”

      The usual stuff on talking to HBO, et al, still applies. But it’s an interesting comment. Suggests that it might pull the Breaking Bad/Mad Men trick, so to speak.

      Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/game-of-thrones-creators-on-season-5-were-building-to-a-crescendo-20150407#ixzz3WekoWPUX
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    19. Greatjon of Slumber,

      This is the first real hint at the speculated extended seventh season, a suggestion previously based only on the wishes of fans, not on anything D&D actually said. Though I don’t want the story to be stretched too much with eight or nine seasons, an extended seventh season of fifteen episodes does sound great, if they can somehow manage to produce it more or less within the same time-frame.

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    20. Greatjon of Slumber:
      D&D in Rolling Stone, on the endgame:

      “We’re not sure whether it’s going to end up being, say, 70 or 75 hours — but it can’t be 100 hours. It would start to feel like a bogged-down mess.”

      So, they basically wanna avoid what GRRM let his books become. A bog-down mess.

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    21. I don’t see how the live ratings don’t go down with HBO Now available for cord cutters. Just how much, I don’t know. I would say the total viewership(HBO Now included) will go up to 21-22 million per episode, but the live Nielsen Rating will go down a tick.

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    22. H. Stark,

      That interviewer is insufferable. The clip’s great, though. A scene directly from the books. Even in the same context; in the elevator, to meet Stannis at the top of the Wall. They added the “virgin” line, but otherwise, same thing. From episode one, of course.

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    23. Luka Nieto:
      Greatjon of Slumber,

      This is the first real hint at the speculated extended seventh season, a suggestion previously based only on the wishes of fans, not on anything D&D actually said. Though I don’t want the story to be stretched too much with eight or nine seasons, an extended seventh season of fifteen episodes does sound great, if they can somehow manage to produce it more or less within the same time-frame.

      Agree. “Mad Men” is a great show but I don’t think that it has benefited from its extended season structure. (Same for “Breaking Bad” but to a lesser extent.)

      The question is always how much do you extend it: 3 episodes, 5 episodes, etc? What can realistically be done within the time constraints? I think that it is difficult to quantify the amount of time necessary to properly tell a tale as vast as ASOIAF. It is not a decision that I would want to make.

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    24. mariamb,

      If they aren’t able to start filming earlier, or if HBO is unwilling to push back the release of the seventh season to later in Summer, I don’t see how they could film more than… one or two extra episodes at most? Even that would strain the production. By all accounts, it’s already strained! In order to add five episodes to the season, they’ve got to increase the budget, commence production earlier and maybe (though hopefully not) delay the release.

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    25. Luka Nieto,

      I’m not advocating for 3 – 5 new episodes. And I agree that anything beyond 2 episodes would strain the current production structure.

      The only way that 3+ episodes would work is if the release is delayed and I wouldn’t want that. (Or if there is a split season and I don’t want that either.) I don’t think that production can be started much earlier. It seems that D&D and other behind-the-scenes people are working nearly year-round.

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    26. mariamb:
      Luka Nieto,

      I’m not advocating for 3 – 5 new episodes. And I agree that anything beyond 2 episodes would strain the current production structure.

      The only way that 3+ episodes would work is if the release is delayed and I wouldn’t want that. (Or if there is a split season and I don’t want that either.) I don’t think that production can be started much earlier. It seems that D&D and other behind-the-scenes people are working nearly year-round.

      The only real way to do it would be to do 2 shortened seasons of 8 episodes each. Then you’re getting mostly full seasons each time, you’re not short-changing the final chapters of this opus, and that’s all.

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    27. Mad Men really suffered because of the split last season. The fans ended up getting two half seasons in 2 years and it didn’t feel like enough. Poorly designed.

      I am glad they are saying it won’t be 100 episodes. That would be too much. It sounds like they have the freedom to do the number of episodes they need to have a logical conclusion. I like that.

      If I were to guess, I would say we end up getting 75 episodes total. The last 5 episodes will be presented like a mini series to cap off the entire show. It’s going to be epic.

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    28. Greatjon of Slumber,

      They could just do 7 full seasons and then cap it off with a “mini series” of 5 or episodes at the end for the final battle.

      That will probably make the most sense. To keep the final battle to the very end as its own part.

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    29. I think they could fit in more than 2 extra episodes if it was that final season. Remember that D&D usually start working on a new season’s outlines and scripts around New Year’s. There wouldn’t be another season so they could probably film for longer in the year (especially if Winter is supposed to have come) and everyone could focus on finalizing the 7th season into April.

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    30. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      I don’t see how the live ratings don’t go down with HBO Now available for cord cutters. Just how much, I don’t know. I would say the total viewership(HBO Now included) will go up to 21-22 million per episode, but the live Nielsen Rating will go down a tick.

      It won’t matter… HBO is not going to release overnight ratings anymore. They announced it last year. They will announce SD+Live+VOD.

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    31. I would not like if we have two shorter seasons . They will present that as one longer season , but that won’t be true.

      The ideal option would be 12 or 13 episodes in one row. I hope we will know soon . This speculation is beginning to be tiresome.

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    32. mau,

      I don’t even think D&D or HBO know how many episodes they will end up with yet. My guess is that they won’t know until they are part way through season 6.

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    33. mau:
      I would not like if we have two shorter seasons . They will present that as one longer season , but that won’t be true.

      The ideal option would be 12 or 13 episodes in one row. I hope we will know soon . This speculation is beginning to be tiresome.

      If there are additional episodes, they’ll almost certainly be aired in two batches. That way HBO can hold on to viewers, subscriptions, critical acclaim, DVD/Blu-ray sales for another year. A single slightly extended season brings them almost no financial benefit.

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    34. Mr Fixit,

      So they will sacrifice quality for money?

      I wouldn’t be surprised , but I don’t like it.

      Maybe they won’t make a year hiatus? 6 months? 3 months?

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    35. Luka Nieto,

      No production outfit in the history of ever has said they finished with plenty of time to spare. If the mucky-mucks cracked the whip, they could do a few more episodes without much fuss. It seems to be working out for GOT, so they probably don’t want to fuck with it.

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    36. mau,

      Why do you think it would necessarily mean ‘sacrificing quality for money’? There’s no reason to think that two batches of 7 or 8 episodes would result in an inferior product. If the endgame is as chock-full of crazy climaxes as we expect it’ll be, shorter seasons might even be a better option regarding the pacing as there’ll be no ‘midseason lull’ some viewers object to.

      Of course, we are operating under the assumption there’s actually enough material to sustain the show for another, say, 5-6 episodes, but that’s a whole ‘nother issue.

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    37. Mr Fixit,

      If.

      But this whole speculation about 75 hours is due to pressure from HBO (10 seasons, we don’t want to end this show,…).

      GRRM also creates pressure on D&D.

      As if they are evil and want to destroy GoT.

      They are doing what is in the best interest of the story , and all this to me more look like a compromise between story(D&D) and business(HBO), than a right decision.

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    38. H. Stark,

      I like that they’ve kept the bit about Mel not feeling the cold at the Wall.Are you a virgin?It’s so cringeworthy and funny at the same time. 😀

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    39. mau,

      Eh, ASoIaF is such a huge and sprawling epic that several episodes more or less are hardly going to be a problem. Remember that D&D themselves were speaking of 80 or even 90 episodes several years ago. TWoW and ADoS are going to be HUGE books, at least as as big as ASoS. I doubt that 5 episodes above the currently planned 70 are going to present a considerable problem. In fact, it would roughly be 12.5 episodes per book. If anything, it might be easier to do the story justice with a little bit more breathing room.

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    40. I think an extended 16 episode 7th season (with one midseason) or even an extended 8th season is a definitive possiblity. It would give the end of the story more room overall, they can even include more stuff then they do now and as long as the show stays popular and the actors are willing to continue then it’s possible. It would also give GRR Martin extra time to write and finish before them. (which is still a possibility, who knows what he has written of ADOS already)

      What I feel like the only ‘real’ possibilities are :

      14 or 16th episode 7th season
      10 episode 7th season 10 episode 8th season
      10 episode 7th season 14 or 16 episode 8th season.

      I doubt we see much more then that, but I wouldn’t rule out an 8th season ánd even if we get that an extended 8th season. But that will depend on how much the viewers continue to grow. If there is stagnation this season we might not even get a 7th season.

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    41. mau:
      Mr Fixit,

      We’ll see, but I want to know their final decision as soon as possible.

      As do I. The sooner they reach it, the easier it’ll be to plan for the future. It’s pretty important D&D know how many hours they have left even before they finish writing Season 6 as it would probably influence their decision on the ideal stopping point for the season. Hopefully, they’ll have a definitive answer very soon.

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    42. Mr Fixit:
      mau,

      Why do you think it would necessarily mean ‘sacrificing quality for money’? There’s no reason to think that two batches of 7 or 8 episodes would result in an inferior product. If the endgame is as chock-full of crazy climaxes as we expect it’ll be, shorter seasons might even be a better option regarding the pacing as there’ll be no ‘midseason lull’ some viewers object to.

      Of course, we are operating under the assumption there’s actually enough material to sustain the show for another, say, 5-6 episodes, but that’s a whole ‘nother issue.

      What to watch for is how all this new accessibility goes for GOT , it’s possible the show may become a TV Blockbuster. That will impact HBO , and especially parent Time Warner thinking.
      If it’s really big by mid season, Time Warner may want the whole show rethought,
      $’s dancing in their eyes.
      If nothing happens all bets are off.

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    43. davy,

      Sorry, but Martin will never catch up with the show; that ship has already sailed. Even if he finishes TWoW before Season 6 airs (say, early 2016), that still leaves him only 2 years to finish ADoS and that’s assuming a split seventh season aired over two years. And even so we’d have a big chunk of ADoS “spoiled” by Season “7A”.

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    44. Ideally, D&D would take a hiatus after episode 710 and HBO would fill the void with season four of Deadwood, then 5 final episodes of GoT.

      And then show the teaser for a Bunk and Lester spinoff after the end credits.

      Ideally.

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    45. Mr Fixit,

      ADWD was as big a book as ASOS too, look how that turned out. Also, I feel the show suffered by stretching ASOS over 2 seasons. In a perfect world, Season 3(ASOS) would have been 15 episodes. That would have been the sweet spot to adapt the 3rd book, IMO. Assuming AFFC/ADWD are pretty much used up in season 5, then the events from TWOW and ADOS would have 25 episodes, which should be enough, considering the amount of cut storylines(Greyjoys,’Aegon’,Arianne,Oldtown?).

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    46. Rygar:
      then 5 final episodes of GoT.

      Of course, those final five episodes would ideally be revealed in a scene where Al Swearengen, all wide-eyed and drunk, hums a Bob Dylan song and mutters ‘It’s in the frakkin saloon!’

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    47. Some peeps (that are well acquainted with the piracy issue) predict GoT’s going to be the most pirated TV show again in 2015. Interesting thing is that some GoT producers make pro-piracy statements. For example David Benioff (at the Oxfford Union, 4:00) who thinks that the show has become popular ‘n a phenomenon directly because of piracy, “which is incredible for us and incredibly gratifying. And, you know, if it got there by unorthodox means I’m mainly just glad people are watching it.”

      GoT director David Petrarca figured out that “piracy generated much-needed cultural buzz around the show”. And Jeff Bewkes, CEO of HBO’s parent company Time Warner, admitted that GoT piracy increased number of subscribers, and that “receiving the title of most-pirated was better than an Emmy.”

      It seems GoT piracy is not a big issue, on the contrary, it’s a generator of ‘much-needed cultural buzz’. How then posting detailed spoilers could be a big issue? Don’t get it, why admins at the WotW introduced a self-imposed ban on detailed talking about GoT spoilers. Not just that, they also introduced a ban on posts that contain criticism of admins’ censorship modality. Did they became more popish than the Pope? Paranoia maybe? Something else?

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    48. I’m ok with the 7 seasons idea. It’s certainly much better to end on a high note rather than starting to drag things. Some people are already impatient Dany hasn’t left for Westeros yet… Imagine if they have to wait for 5 more years to see it happen. 😛

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    49. Claudia: It’s certainly much better to end on a high note rather than starting to drag things.

      That would encourage repetition, which in turn leads to shark jumping. Lost ran into that problem: the network wouldn’t let the showrunners target a concluding season, so the showrunners had to tread water to keep the over-arching plot from progressing ahead to rapidly. The show rebounded, but the whole series would have been better had the showrunners been allowed to move at the pace they wanted.

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    50. davy: If there is stagnation this season we might not even get a 7th season.

      Hardly: if the viewership stagnates at these ridiculously high levels, then it’s because the show has effectively saturated the market. It would take a catastrophic drop in the viewing numbers for the show to not get picked up for Season 7.

      That written, one of the best ways to make sure that the numbers do not drop is to keep moving ahead briskly with the over-arching plots and story. If the show starts feeling repetitive or bogged down in needless details, then the audience will start to atrophy.

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    51. HBO has a history of supporting shows even when ratings aren’t very strong.

      GOT will be there till its over

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    52. GeekFurious,

      You misunderstand what they HBO means, Live+same day ratings of HBO shows are still being released by Nielsen. They themselves are not releasing live ratings but that doesn’t mean they are preventing the release. There would be no reason for them to do that especially with a massive hit like GoT. GoT’s live viewership with be released on Tuesdays with every other Sunday cable show but HBO will not be releasing the information themselves like they would sometimes do on Mondays for the media.

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    53. Eleanor,

      That was already leaked.

      Winter,

      Glad to see you back, Ser!

      Wimsey,

      Agreed. Add to that the exciting moments that we know are coming later in the season, and that (from what little we’ve already seen) there is almost no chance that the quality of the show will tank, so the viewership should stay relatively steady from here on out.

      That said, though, I would not want to see a complete eighth season if it is not warranted to complete the story as mapped out by D&D. No dragging please! We have the books for that.

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    54. For me, I’d like to see a 16-episodes Season 7 split into two parts (7A & 7B so to speak) with 7A starting in the typical April timeframe and 7B starting the following January.

      At least, the additional 6 episodes might give D&D the space to add in some of the FoC/DwD materials that they’ve seemingly cut out of Season 5. Such as:

      LSH/BwB and Euron Greyjoy … the Griffs and the other Greyjoy uncles can stay cut for all I care

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    55. KrakenDaughter:
      NCW and Lena Heady : ‘It wasn’t rape’

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/07/jaime-cersei-controversy-sex

      Let the arguments begin.

      FINALLY. Isn’t it incredible that they were scared to talk about it?! What a time we live in. It was pretty obviously not intended to be a rape, and it only comes across as a rape if you really believe Cersei was resisting. But for book readers especially, it should be obvious that she wasn’t.

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    56. If it extends past 70, it will probably be because the story demands it. D&D have already made some key decisions on whole storyline cuts they won’t come back from Aegon, Oldtown, Iron Islands, plus lesser cuts like Tyrion’s travels are accelerated.

      That alone precludes an 100 hour program. But the endings to the storylines we know and love on the screen may actual require more than 70 hours. They may not, but it’s not like they’ve been speeding through the text. A couple of storylines are well ahead, but I doubt we even reach the end of Dance for every storyline in Season 5… which means you could need a few more episodes for Season 7.

      You could not as well. My personal theory is that D&D do not want to turn it over to anyone else (understandable) but also simply do not want to keep up the workload and life pace for anything beyond seven seasons (understandable).

      But there’s no need to a ton of episodes with the cuts they’ve chosen.

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    57. Great stuff

      Fascinating to see the jump at the start of Season 4 where there was a clear delineation between True Blood and GoT

      On top of that these are the official figures and don’t take into account Piracy

      Will be interesting to see the impact of the new HBO product to see if it converts piracy viewers into “official” viewers

      I can see them splitting the last season if the last few episodes are going to focus on the Grand Finale battle/s, that would be like releasing a trilogy of two-hour movies if it is 6-7 episodes

      This would make sense rather than have the normal drama in the first half of season 7 and then a climactic battle/war

      On top of that split seasons may take into account the issues they will need to increasingly film in wintry conditions and push it back and consequently everything like post-production etc, meaning the normal April timelines start to become trickier

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    58. Wimsey: It would take a catastrophic drop in the viewing numbers for the show to not get picked up for Season 7.

      I’ll go even further. By this point, no level of ‘catastrophic’ drop in the viewing numbers would doom the show. None. We’re too far along now to turn back. The only thing such an extreme drop would affect is a reduced final season budget.

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    59. mau:
      Mr Fixit,

      If.

      But this whole speculation about 75 hours is due to pressure from HBO (10 seasons, we don’t want to end this show,…).

      GRRM also creates pressure on D&D.

      As if they are evil and want to destroy GoT.

      They are doing what is in the best interest of the story , and all this to me more look like acompromise between story(D&D) and business(HBO), than aright decision.

      But they don’t really commit do they? They say not 100, but they don’t say not 90 and definitelly not not 80..why not? You know why, they wanna have all doors open. If HBO wants 8 and maybe even 9 seasons it could be possible IF the money is right.

      If not come out and fucking say it won’t be more than 7 already. But they won’t. They are smart

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    60. i have a question… if game of thrones gets an extended final season split in two halves, HBO will not sell S7 in one bluray package right? instead itll be season 7 part 1 and season 7 part 2 sold separately?

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    61. Wimsey,

      LSH/BwB because the Freys still need to pay for the Red Wedding. One way or another, the curse of the Rat King will come back to destroy the Freys, and the BwB is already established on the show. Also poor Gendry’s arms must be tired from all of that rowing by now. It’s a logical place for Jamie to end up after his Dorne travels (and maybe Brienne, depending on what happens in her story this season).

      Euron Greyjoy because there’s still that whole third leech death waiting for Balon Greyjoy, and Theon cannot make any heirs now so the Iron Islanders won’t accept him as their new king. And he can be used to bring in the dragon horn to the show if it becomes important to the story, plus he’d make a decent big bad for Season 6 after the Freys and Boltons are dealt with.

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    62. OrtMeyer,

      We don’t know for sure. But if HBO follows the industry practice, they will release 7A and 7B separately at first, then later make a “complete 7th season” box set with both halves.

      That is, of course, assuming HBO does split the 7th season into two halves.

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    63. Not strictly related but I can’t believe the GoT season 4 had no nominations at all in the TV BAFTAs (British Academy of Film and Television Awards). The only nomination is a minor one where it’s voted by the readers of a TV magazine.

      I don’t know if this is because it’s on a minority subscription only channel? ‘The Missing’ gets loads of nomination but it was pretty average stuff.

      Drama series
      Happy Valley
      Line of Duty
      The Missing
      Peaky Blinders

      International
      The Good Wife
      House of Cards
      Orange Is The New Black
      True Detective

      Radio Times Audience Award (voted for by members of the public)
      Cilla
      Eastenders
      Game of Thrones
      The Great British Bake Off ( apparently Maisie Williams loves this! )
      The Missing
      Sherlock
      Strictly Come Dancing

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    64. Kundry,

      Even if that girl on the ship is pregnant with Theon’s baby, it’s still a bastard and therefore not a legitimate heir. Theon refused to even accept her as a salt wife.

      It’s entirely possible that the show might make Yara Balon’s heir instead of Theon and cut everything that has to do with the kingsmoot. One way or another, we shall see what happens in Season 6.

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    65. OrtMeyer,

      Exactly. And that’s a first. Pau was saying they haven’t confirmed 70 hours, or ruled out 80 or 90… but they have, as much as they can considering there haven’t been official deals about it yet, by only mentioning “70 hours” in every interview they’ve done until now. And even “75 hours” would only possibly mean an extended seventh season, not a whole new season.

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    66. Luka Nieto:
      Pau,

      They’ve been saying “70 hours” for two years now, clearly and loudly.

      Don’t kid yourself, clearly and loudly would be “we will do 70, period” or even “we won’t do more than 80, period”.

      Instead they just said “maybe 70, maybe 75…definitelly not 100”. Not 100!!! You call that clearly?? I’m sorry but clearly would be “not 80” 😉

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    67. WotW staff – any chance you can send me the raw ratings data? I know I could find it myself, but it looks like you guys have already compiled it in a tabular format. I’d like to test the data for correlation with a few other trends.

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    68. Pau: Instead they just said “maybe 70, maybe 75…definitelly not 100″. Not 100!!! You call that clearly?? I’m sorry but clearly would be “not 80″ 😉

      Also, what’s this “Have to talk to HBO …” deal? Never mentioned HBO before.

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