Nikolaj Coster-Waldau Remembers ‘Unbelievably Bad’ Game of Thrones Pilot, Anderson Cooper Becomes White Walker

Anderson Cooper White Walker

The countdown is on, and with three [long, dark] nights [assuredly full of terrors] until the final season of Game of Thrones debuts, the news continues to pour in like crazy. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Ser Jaime Lannister) is flying from coast to coast to catch in a last-ditch effort to catch every last talk show host before the final season debuts, while the rest of the cast is fielding press junkets left and right. Meanwhile, a CNN personality flies to Belfast, all while slowly turning into a white walker. Only on Game of Thrones, right? Let’s get to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMYHzzJ-6Q4

On The Late Show with James Corden, Nikolaj recounts the “unbelievably bad” pilot. “No one should have picked that up,” he quips. Turns out, the cast sat down with (showrunners) David Benioff and Dan Weiss to watch the original pilot. Oh, how I’d have killed to be in the room and see what a low-budget, high concept fantasy pilot was like. And to think of the cast differences! Jennifer Ehle had played Catelyn Stark in the original pilot, and Tamzin Merchant of The Tudors fame had played Daenerys. I have no familiarity with Jennifer Ehle, but having seen The Tudors (really a great show, do please find it if you have time), it’s mind boggling to imagine how different a take she would have had on our beloved dragon queen. The butterfly effect is a crazy thing.

Meanwhile, in a very odd pairing, Gemma Whelan (Yara Greyjoy) and Iain Glen (Ser Jorah Mormont, the Andal of Bear Island and all around best character on GOT) got together for an interview. While the above is written in Spanish, the interview clip is in English. There’s not too much to report, but, while drinking his tea, Iain does let slip that he was in “floods of tears” while dreading about the ending of the show.

Meanwhile, ‘Mophie,’ as Maisie Williams (Arya Stark) and Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark) call themselves, did a team interview on GMA with Strahan & Sara. My favourite bit from this clip is that Maisie says that although GOT is ending, she won’t miss Kit Harington (Jon Snow) because “he lives three minutes from me.” And – oh, was it spoilers for season 8 you wanted? Sorry, Sophie was really good at that. Here’s a tease: “There’s a lot of mud, and blood, and snow, and fire.” Well jeez, thanks guys.

And finally, get excited because CBS staple 60 Minutes will air a pre-recorded interview with various cast and crew members, courtesy of chiseled hunk, and self-professed GOT nerd, Anderson Cooper. How do I know he’s a GOT nerd? Well, on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Anderson revealed two important aspects of his GOT-related nerdiness: One, the more headline-catching part includes Anderson’s trip to the set in Belfast, visiting Castle Black, the prop storage room, and donning a ton of makeup to become a white walker – truly all very cool stuff! But two is Anderson’s inability to focus on anything Kit was saying in an interview because Anderson was too busy swooning his way through the whole thing. It’s really great and you should watch and enjoy because I could never do his reaction justice:

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    1. I’d take Anderson Cooper more seriously on CNN if he showed up in full costume and makeup as a White Walker all the time. It gives him a certain … gravitas.

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    2. Thank you for the wonderful write-up, David!

      Btw, Jennifer Ehle is probably best known (in TV and film) as Elizabeth Bennet in the BBC’s superb 1995 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice. I don’t follow theater very closely, but she’s also a Tony winner (I don’t remember what for).

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    3. Anderson Cooper’s reaction to Kit is indeed hilarious and cannot be properly described ☺️ I never knew he’s a GoT fan but it’s neat to see him as a White Walker. Hope they keep the 60 min White Walker intro bit.

      Wolfish,

      She IS Elizabeth Bennet. She made it her own in a way that as a book fan through and through I’d never thought possible. I heard her work on stage is pretty good too. Haven’t seen her in many things either.

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    4. Ten Bears:
      I’d take Anderson Cooper more seriously on CNN if he showed up in full costume and makeup as a White Walker all the time. It gives him a certain … gravitas.

      That was an interesting look he gave the camera at the end (of the WW segment). Although it somehow reminded me of Kryten from the Red Dward sci-fi show. I guess there might be potential for a comedy White Walker show…

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    5. TormundsWoman,

      Rosemary Harris is Jennifer Ehle’s mother, so she’s had big shoes to fill—and has filled them well.

      It was sweet to see her and Colin Firth share the screen again, albeit briefly and in very different roles, in The King’s Speech.

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    6. I like Jennifer Ehle very much. I’ve seen her as Elizabeth Bennet in the BBC miniseries “Pride and Prejudice” and some minor roles. I think she would’ve been a great Catelyn. I have nothing to complain though cause Michelle Fairley was fantastic as Cat. She’s a terrific actress.

      I do prefer Tamzin Merchant as an actress to Emilia Clark though. So, I am curious as to what kind of Dany she could’ve been.

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    7. TormundsWoman,

      Oh dear. I do not want to get into a P&P fanwar, but Keira Knightly was perfect as Elizabeth Bennett in the 2005 version. And Tamzin Merchant had a small role as Georgiana Darcy.

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    8. Ten Bears,

      Oh, HELL NO. You DID NOT just write that!!!

      Knightley was a delightful Bennet, but that adaptation was atrocious. It fundamentally changed several key aspects of the book, especially the parents’ marriage—the very reason that both Jane and Lizzy were so determined to find compatibility in their mates.

      /end rant

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    9. Wolfish,

      Please don’t hate me. I loved the movie. Although the director Joe Wright’s follow-up, “Atonement”, sucked so bad my right foot started throbbing in pain.*

      * My organic barometer for crappy movies.

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    10. I can see ‘Winter is Here’ being a title. The first episode of the first season was called ‘Winter is Coming’ so it seems fitting.

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    11. Ten Bears,

      Knightly’s Elizabeth Bennet irritated me somewhat. She played her far too giggly and immature for the character. Also, far too beautiful. The whole way through the film I felt she wasn’t a right fit.

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    12. Alba,

      You got to be kidding me, Emilia has more presence in her little finger than that person has in her entire body, she has cardboard wooden face that made me hate any Tudors scene she was in and i also saw her in Salem, a witch show and she wasn’t any better there. She’s an absolutely terrible actress and GOT would have never gotten as popular with her in the Dany role ,

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    13. kevin1989,

      Why does the titles matter so much anyway, i remember people whining about Battle of the Bastards before it came out, how it’s such a crappy title, like that has any gearing on a quality of an episode. If an episode is great, people will remember it despite how crappy or not the title may be, the fact that we get the titles so late prove that they don’t matter that much and are only an afterthought .

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    14. Remember when Hot Pie said Winterfell wrong.. he said something like Winterhell… that would be a really funny title for Episode 3 I think..

      Ep 3 – Winterhell

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    15. I was checking HBO’s site for possible titles, and I notice a small change on run times for Episodes 5 and 6…
      Episode 5 and 6 are now 1 hour, 19 minutes.

      If you recall they were both set on even numbers until now (1 hour 20 minutes).
      I was thinking the even numbers were place-setters until they got the actual run times. I still think it’s a bit unusual that both episodes will be exactly the same, but I tend to believe them since they are odd numbers now. Still no titles though.

      I’m guessing as others have said that we won’t get Episode 1 official title until they show up on HBO GO right after the premiere. Also IMDB put in a generic description for Episode 1 that just sounds like a teaser and someone just made it up.

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    16. Episode 1 – The Phantom Dragon
      Episode 2 – Attack of the Wights
      Episode 3 – Revenge of the Children
      Episode 4 – A New Dawn
      Episode 5 – Cersei Strikes Back
      Episode 6 – Return of the Starks

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    17. There and Back again a Targaryens tale by Jon Snow
      The Desolation of Winter
      The Battle of a 2 armies
      The Fellowship of the Imp
      The Two Houses
      Return of the King & Queen

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    18. Ten Bears:
      Wolfish,

      Please don’t hate me. I loved the movie. Although the director Joe Wright’s follow-up, “Atonement”, sucked so bad my right foot started throbbing in pain.*

      * My organic barometer for crappy movies.

      hahahhaa!

      That is just gout.

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    19. i expect they will give us the original pilot one day, probably on a dvd as a extra, once the dust settles . they will be less precious about it in time, it would be fun to watch

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    20. the real titles are these

      01. baby its cold oustide
      02. hazy shade of winter
      03. great balls of fire
      04. a winters tale
      05. Cold as ice
      06. Cruel summer

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    21. Jack Nabble,

      The fact that they kept the title is in fact that the titles are very important and could reveal something about the plot. And because they know they can use it to make fans more exited for the show.

      About battle of the bastard titles. I always found it a perfect title. Because the title gave away what the episode was about. And which theme was important in the episode. Being a bastard.

      A title needs to be about the important plot of the episode. Or sound perfect and poetic (and needs to be about a smaller part of the episode.

      In the past we had winter is coming. Which are the Stark words.
      Winds of winter is a perfect title because it was the theme of that episode. We saw the first signs of winter in the north. And it feels poetic the title. It rolls easy of the tongue.

      Winter is here feels cheap. Repeat of 2 other titles. (yes happened before but then the themes were very visible oath keeper and oath breaker). And there a better titles to give. The long night. Winterfell. Or the northern invasion. Enemy to the north or just simple winter.

      But I don’t think winter is here will be the title. It was a fanmade title that was made in 2017.

      firstone,

      It’s edit back. So it made clear those titles are fake.

      Undead Elephant:
      Episode 1 – The Phantom Dragon
      Episode 2 – Attack of the Wights
      Episode 3 – Revenge of the Children
      Episode 4 – A New Dawn
      Episode 5 – Cersei Strikes Back
      Episode 6 – Return of the Starks

      That sounds about right.

      Or episode 1 the philosopher dragon
      Episode 2: the crypts of secrets. Or the prisoner of kings landing.
      Episode 3: the city of fire.
      Episode 4: the order of the dragon.
      Episode 5: the bastard prince.
      Episode 6: the deadly walkers

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    22. It’s odd how there’s been basically no information about the Belfast premiere. The red carpet should be in a few hours, but everyone is so quiet.

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    23. Miss Stark:
      It’s odd how there’s been basically no information about the Belfast premiere. The red carpet should be in a few hours, but everyone is so quiet.

      Yeah it’s 3pm over there now, so the premeire should be in a few hours. I’ve only seen Pilou, Gemma and now Carice mention it on IG. Hopefully they live tweet or something.

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    24. Mango,

      LMAOOO!!!

      In all seriousness… One of my husband’s best friends, who at 73 is among the older people in his circle, just told us he has gout. I was shocked; I didn’t even know it was still a thing. (When I think “gout” the image of Henry VIII magically appears in my mind.) Shows how much I know!

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    25. You can tell that a number of the takes from the original pilot made it into the first episode (Winter is Coming).

      Any take where Ned’s hair is slicked back is from the original pilot. An example would be the crypt scene with him and Robert. Another would be part of the dinner feast when Ned is talking to Jaime.

      Same goes for the brothel scene with Tyrion when his hair makes him look like an oompa loompa. However, Tyrion’s hair looks much more normal during the scene with him and Jon Snow outside of the feast, so that was clearly shot after the original pilot.

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    26. Ten Bears,

      Yes, well… you also think Jon should have listened to all the Mumbo Jumbo about the Wall that everyone mythically spoke off ——- Wall won’t fall, Others and their undead cannot pass etc——— over his own experience with Undead at Castle Black soooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      I won’t even mention what else you believe about Jaime and Bri that CANNOT be changed bc writers “predicted” it 😛

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    27. Alba: I do prefer Tamzin Merchant as an actress to Emilia Clark though. So, I am curious as to what kind of Dany she could’ve been.

      Dear gawd, no! The casting change I’ve always been thankful for was that we didn’t have Tamzin as Daenerys. I don’t know why some people have such an issue with Emilia, a multiple Emmy nominee for the part I might add. There’s gotta be some kind of bias behind it or something. Perhaps a disagreement with how the character should be portrayed.

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    28. Sacred Lime:
      Remember when Hot Pie said Winterfell wrong.. he said something like Winterhell… that would be a really funny title for Episode 3 I think..

      Ep 3 – Winterhell

      Yep, that’s was among suggestions in the titles thread we had a while back. I don’t think it’s a bad one (or “Winter Hell”).

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    29. Clob: Dear gawd, no!The casting change I’ve always been thankful for was that we didn’t have Tamzin as Daenerys.I don’t know why some people have such an issue with Emilia, a multiple Emmy nominee for the part I might add.There’s gotta be some kind of bias behind it or something.Perhaps a disagreement with how the character should be portrayed.

      Award nominations and even award wins are not to be trusted as reliable indicators of acting quality. They are also a popularity contest – American, British and attractive actors tend to do very well. This is more so for ensemble work such as GOT. Charles Dance etc did not get a single nom if I remember correctly. NCW just got a nom last year. The Wire did not win a single Emmy. The Americans were ignored for years. Downtown Abbey continued to win even after it became just saccharine/mediocre.

      As Harvey Weinstein told his victims, co-operate and I can get you an Oscar. He knew the truth about his business.

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    30. Mango,
      Perhaps many people feel actors are snubbed all the time, sometimes correct in that feeling and sometimes not, but actors are rarely if ever nominated for a Primetime Emmy for being complete garbage, as some believe Emilia is.

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    31. Clob,

      I see what you are saying.

      Ensembles can be tricky – sometimes they just nominate to the person that plays a “good” character that is also popular, attractive that they met at parties around town.

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    32. Acting is pretty subjective. There is no right or wrong answer, though if anyone ever says that Hayden Christensen was good in the prequels I’d have to have a word or two….

      No one holds the cards to determine who is and isn’t a good actor. I know plenty of people who love Emilia’s acting and there are plenty who don’t. Personally, I think she’s great as Dany and I’d have a hard time seeing anyone else in the role, but I can understand how some people think her acting can be a bit wooden at times. I just think that’s how shes supposed to portray Dany.

      I think Emilia has the toughest acting job out of all the actors on GoT. I mean, the number of speeches that she’s had to give in made-up languages alone is impressive. Additionally, she’s had to work with props and green screens more than anyone else, which is always harder to pull off than working with other actors. At least up through season 7.

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    33. I hope they never release the OG pilot so there won’t be years of “Jamie Campbell Bower is the one true Raymar Royce” or whatever

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    34. Mr Derp:
      Acting is pretty subjective.There is no right or wrong answer, though if anyone ever says that Hayden Christensen was good in the prequels I’d have to have a word or two….

      No one holds the cards to determine who is and isn’t a good actor.I know plenty of people who love Emilia’s acting and there are plenty who don’t.Personally, I think she’s great as Dany and I’d have a hard time seeing anyone else in the role, but I can understand how some people think her acting can be a bit wooden at times.I just think that’s how shes supposed to portray Dany.

      I think Emilia has the toughest acting job out of all the actors on GoT.I mean, the number of speeches that she’s had to give in made-up languages alone is impressive.Additionally, she’s had to work with props and green screens more than anyone else, which is always harder to pull off than working with other actors.At least up through season 7.

      Three things to add:

      (i) Actors can be mediocre in one role and better in others. It may be fair for non-actors to see someone in more than one role before deciding on a view of their capabilities. Other actors can perhaps decide more quickly because they know the craft.

      (ii) Despite this – some actors have an uncanny ability to pull me out of Westeros and dump me back into my chair. When it happens repeatedly, with the same person? I “[email protected]%&!!”

      (iii) Consumers that have seen a lot of performances over years – TV, movies, Stage (in particular), Opera – do perhaps develop a good sense of a good performance. Lots of persons only watch big action movies and have never seen good acting consistently over many years and others just fall in love with the “hot” actor as an aspirational idol.

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    35. cosca:
      I hope they never release the OG pilot so there won’t be years of “Jamie Campbell Bower is the one true Raymar Royce” or whatever

      You meant Waymar Royce. 🙂 Nobody could have done that part better than Rob Damon… I mean Rob Ostlere. 😛

      When talking about not liking actors it’s funny that you mention JCB. I can’t stand the guy. Is he as terrible as I think he is? Probably not, but I have yet to see him do anything where I wish he wasn’t on the screen. I’m going to have to get over that I guess if I’m to enjoy the prequel. >.>

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    36. Mango: (ii) Despite this – some actors have an uncanny ability to pull me out of Westeros and dump me back into my chair. When it happens repeatedly, with the same person? I “[email protected]%&!!”

      The only main person that’s done that routinely for me during the series has been Sophie. I decline to once again elaborate on that… and once again I have to remind people that I did give her props during S7. 😉

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    37. Clob: The only main person that’s done that routinely for me during the series has been Sophie.I decline to once again elaborate on that… and once again I have to remind people that I did give her props during S7.

      See – we all have different “humbugs”.

      Sophie’s work can be very inconsistent. I wince sometimes when she delivers a line. So I understand you on that. I cut the younger ones a little slack – a lot of acting is craft, life experience etc.. I look for improvements among the ones we met as minors.

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    38. Mr Derp,

      I agree. I’m thinking back, and Emilia didn’t have that many scenes with long English conversations that she could sink her teeth into until Tyrion came. Early on, I’m remembering it was mostly visuals with the Dothraki music. Being sold by her brother into a dangerous situation, she didn’t have that many chances to speak up until she started gaining her confidence. Jorah was doing most of the talking giving her advice. In general as Queen she listened to others talking alot. She wasn’t able to give her famous “break the wheel” speech until Tyrion came on the scene. Her Dothraki speech on top of Drogon was really amazing. She was totally committed and spoke Dothraki like it was her native language. It’s hard for me to think of anyone else in the role.

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    39. Tron79:
      Mr Derp,

      I agree. I’m thinking back, and Emilia didn’t have that many scenes with long English conversations that she could sink her teeth into until Tyrion came. Early on, I’m remembering it was mostly visuals with the Dothraki music.Being sold by her brother into a dangerous situation, she didn’t have that many chances to speak up until she started gaining her confidence.Jorah was doing most of the talking giving her advice. In general as Queen she listened to others talking alot. She wasn’t able to give her famous “break the wheel” speech until Tyrion came on the scene.Her Dothraki speech on top of Drogon was really amazing. She was totally committed and spoke Dothraki like it was her native language.It’s hard for me to think of anyone else in the role.

      How could you tell if she was mispronouncing and mucking up her Dothraki?

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    40. Tron79: Her Dothraki speech on top of Drogon was really amazing.

      Lol, I actually hated that scene because it was just one speech too many for her by that point and it became tedious for me, but I agree that she acted her ass off in that scene

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    41. Mango: I cut the younger ones a little slack – a lot of acting is craft, life experience etc.. I look for improvements among the ones we met as minors.

      That’s a very fair thing to do and probably the correct way to look at them. Not all child actors can be naturally good or cast to play a role that is suitable to their strongest abilities. What we started with on GoT was several in their very first role and/or first major role so some slack should have been allowed.

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    42. Mango,

      Emilia knows Dothraki like the back of her hand. Have you ever seen her singing songs in Dothraki or speaking it on talk shows? She knows how to speak it very well.

      When Clarke gets her script to learn lines for an episode, she sees the dialog in English, then written in Dothraki. She also listens to MP3 audio so she can hear it spoken in Dothraki phonetically.

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    43. Mango: How could you tell if she was mispronouncing and mucking up her Dothraki?

      You know what’s silly? I remember reading comments of people giving her shit because she transposed two letters in High Valyrian saying a dragon is not a slave. I belive it was:
      She said, “Zaldrīzes buzdari iskos daor”
      It’s suppose to be, “Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor”

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    44. Clob: Dear gawd, no!The casting change I’ve always been thankful for was that we didn’t have Tamzin as Daenerys.

      I don’t know if she would’ve been a better Dany. Maybe she would have been a bad choice. We don’t know. What I said is that I consider her a better actress, so I was curious to know what kind of Dany she would’ve made. Well, we’ll never know now. But that’s what I said and there is a difference between that and saying she would’ve made a better Dany.

      I don’t know why some people have such an issue with Emilia, a multiple Emmy nominee for the part I might add.There’s gotta be some kind of bias behind it or something.Perhaps a disagreement with how the character should be portrayed.

      I can’t speak for all people. But as far as I’m concerned I don’t care for nominees or awards. Alfie Allen was never nominated and I find him to be among the best actors in GOT. Ditto Michelle Fairley who never got a nomination either.

      I love Emilia’s sense of humour. I think she is brilliant in comedy and romance. With Dany, there have been hits and misses with her. She’s very good when she shows her soft side, but also when she shows her firmness. I find her less convincing when she demonstrates her power and entitlement.

      From all the women in GOT, I find her and Sophie the weakest. Not bad but the weakest among them. Well, except for Sibel Kekilli which I think is atrocious. But maybe is also the role in her case. I haven’t seen her in other films.

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    45. Mango: How could you tell if she was mispronouncing and mucking up her Dothraki?

      Well, I could tell it wasn’t Vulcan. The Dothraki horde seemed to be cheering alot so that was a good sign she didn’t say something like “i want to eat your baby” like Tyrion did…… but perhaps the Dothraki just liked seeing her riding the biggest horse in the world with wings.

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    46. Alba,

      You can have any opinion you want, doesn’t change the fact that she’s still terrible and there is a reason she wasn’t brought back for the full series

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    47. Alba,

      You still have failed to provide a reason for why you think she’s a better actress than Emilia, it seems to me you just don’t like the character and you’re throwing this on Emilia Clarke for some reason and no there is no discussion to be had on whether she would have been a better Dany, trust me GOT woudl have been cancelled after the first season .

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    48. Mr Derp,

      But how do you know this to be true?

      Yes, I agree she says so. What would else she say in an interview?

      Many persons comment on Jason’s great acting in Dothraki. I am sure in interviews he will explain how he does it brilliantly. How do you know it is true?

      I asked because I go to the opera bit. One reason (of many!), I know becoming an opera singer takes years is because the operas are in English, French, Italian, German and must be learned well. This is because people in the audience know the language and can tell.

      One professional singer told me it would be easier to sing in a made-up language as it gave more space to freestyle as you go along. Because your audience cannot tell.

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    49. Mango: But how do you know this to be true?

      How do you this to not be true? Do you have any actual reason or just bias against Emilia?

      Mango: One professional singer told me it would be easier to sing in a made-up language as it gave more space to freestyle as you go along. Because your audience cannot tell.

      Someone “told” you something so therefore it must be true? How do you know this to be true?

      Irony abounds

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    50. ANyone can learn Dothraki if they so choose. There are plenty of insanely rabid fans that call out the slightest mistake, as Clob already pointed out above.

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    51. Jack Nabble:
      Alba,

      You still have failed to provide a reason for why you think she’s a better actress than Emilia, it seems to me you just don’t like the character and you’re throwing this on Emilia Clarke for some reason and no there is no discussion to be had on whether she would have been a better Dany, trust me GOT woudl have been cancelled after the first season .

      Wrong. I like Dany very much. I’m just not crazy about Emilia in that role. I’m sorry but I don’t understand why you so mad about it? Does my opinion on her matters to you so much? LOL
      You love her. Good for you. We don’t have to agree. Ciaooo

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    52. Mr Derp: Someone “told” you something so therefore it must be true?How do you know this to be true?

      Irony abounds

      Let me end – I was told by someone I know in real life and trusts their judgment. They were speaking about the difficulties of becoming an opera singer. They had many other reflections but this was just one. I was just sharing their viewpoint.

      You are citing something an actor said on TV.

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    53. Mr Derp:
      ANyone can learn Dothraki if they so choose.There are plenty of insanely rabid fans that call out the slightest mistake, as Clob already pointed out above.

      This is actually a perfectly reasonable answer.

      If the answer is, I know Dothraki and I could tell then fine. This is what I asked.

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    54. Alba: Well, except for Sibel Kekilli which I think is atrocious. But maybe is also the role in her case. I haven’t seen her in other films.

      Some of her other, um… “roles,” were in films not known for or even requiring strong acting abilities. 😉

      Alba: I can’t speak for all people. But as far as I’m concerned I don’t care for nominees or awards.

      Of course it’s all personal perspective, but it’s a usual thing to consider awards pointless or not worth it if they don’t support opinion. A snub of one actor or another in a person’s opinion shouldn’t discredit any achievements and accolades another actor does receive. (You) may feel (person) deserves something that many others don’t. At the same time, a person that does receive something that many people feel is deserving doesn’t mean they don’t because (you) don’t think so. (You) being general, not specific

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    55. Mango,

      Right, and I trust the judgement of the writers of GoT.

      The writers and makers of GoT are meticulous about everything. If you don’t think they’re as meticulous about details as an opera singer than you haven’t been paying attention. They wouldn’t allow blatantly incorrect Dothraki on the show. I trust their judgement.

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    56. Mr Derp,

      There is no reason to degenerate into this type of thing – a reasonable answer is that I speak/understand Dothraki myself and can tell. Or others that I trust speak Dothraki and confirmed to me.

      We are talking about a TV program – we have nothing at stake here to get pressed about!

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    57. Clob: You know what’s silly?I remember reading comments of people giving her shit because she transposed two letters in High Valyrian saying a dragon is not a slave.I belive it was:
      She said, “Zaldrīzes buzdari iskos daor”
      It’s suppose to be, “Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor”

      Thanks for reasonable answer….

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    58. Mr Derp: How do you this to not be true?Do you have any actual reason or just bias against Emilia?

      Someone “told” you something so therefore it must be true?How do you know this to be true?

      Irony abounds

      I am referring to this remark – when I said there is no reason to degenerate into this type of exchange over a simple fairly harmless question that was really intented to directed at Tron.

      Dramatic? I wish.

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    59. Miss Stark:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Jack, do you know if there is a livestream somewhere of the event?

      I have not seen one yet, but check out her IG stories https://instagram.com/lisacannon?utm_source=ig_profile_share&igshid=1g5qirrdu666i

      She’s doing interviews on the Red Carpet. She also posted the cast list of who’s there. Looks a lot smaller then the NYC premiere. Kit, Maisie, Isaac and Sophie are there. Ben Crompton is there as well. No Lena, Peter, Emilia, Nikolaj or Alfie though.

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    60. Wolfish,

      That’s a matter of opinion. I LOVED the 2005 version and P&P is my favorite work of fiction after Hamlet. Matthew will forever be Mr. Darcy to me!

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    61. Mango: a simple fairly harmless question that was really intented to directed at Tron.

      You asked me a question directly, and I answered it. In fact, you asked the same question multiple times, which is “pressing” an issue. Something you claim to not be doing and don’t want to be a part of.

      You wanted me to prove how I knew something, yet you then proceeded to make a statement that countered mine without proof. You can’t just dictate terms of a conversation in such a 1-sided way like that and then get upset when I give you back what you gave me.

      When you asked me to prove something it’s perfectly fine, yet I asked you to prove something and suddenly the conversation is “degenerating”?

      The way you asked me the question about how I knew she was speaking Dothraki correctly made it seem like you were going out of your way to be obtuse about the whole thing. If that wasn’t your intention, then I apologize for misreading you, but it sure seemed that way to me.

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    62. Alba: She also mention Joffrey and Payne (though don’t know who Liam is. lol). So, I doubt it means anything. Besides, they made it clear she took the Hound off her list. I think she’s just trolling. 😀

      I thought “Liam Payne” was a typo/auto correct (it could still be), but someone mentioned that’s also a former One Direction member lol.

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    63. Mr Derp: You asked me a question directly, and I answered it.In fact, you asked the same question multiple times, which is “pressing” an issue.Something you claim to not be doing and don’t want to be a part of.

      You wanted me to prove how I knew something, yet you then proceeded to make a statement that countered mine without proof.You can’t just dictate terms of a conversation in such a 1-sided way like that and then get upset when I give you back what you gave me.

      When you asked me to prove something it’s perfectly fine, yet I asked you to prove something and suddenly the conversation is “degenerating”?

      The way you asked me the question about how I knew she was speaking Dothraki correctly made it seem like you were going out of your way to be obtuse about the whole thing.If that wasn’t your intention, then I apologize for misreading you, but it sure seemed that way to me.

      Okie, dokie. I am sorry if I was not as clear as I intended. I was not trying to be obtuse even if seemed like it. I actually missed Clob’s response as I was writing at the same time. Or I would have followed up on that line of discussion. We are using a format that has plus and minus points and people from many cultures – so things sometimes get lost in the mix.

      Turning the page.

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    64. Mango,

      I apologize for any miscommunication on my part. I’d be more than happy to call you a friend and shake hands over the whole thing.

      We have to work together, friend. Winter is here!

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    65. Mango,

      So I wonder in the prequel if they will be using alot of Valyrian subtitles? Or am I thinking of a different premise…

      Wow, lots of talk about this question! So I feel compelled to add one more thing to your original question and I’ll take a serious stab at it…I think Dany’s character should be making some minor mistakes in Dothraki, such as guttural accents. Remember the scene when Missandei was correcting Dany’s pronunciation? So if Emilia was thinking of how Dany would really talk, then she would make some minor mistakes. I can’t tell you if she did! But if she did, I could make a case that it fits her character!
      And it is my honest opinion that Emilia totally committed in that scene. Even though others have said they thought another speech was tedious, you can’t argue that she totally went for it.

      #2MOREDAYS

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    66. Tron79,
      Dig him up, reanimate him and kill him again, but this time waaaaaaay more slowly. He deserves it! In fact our gang in the North may be able to make peace with the Night King over a shared belief that Joffrey was a wrong ‘un. Trying to find common ground with NK has got to be worth a shot, surely? 😉

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    67. Tron79:
      Mango,

      So I wonder in the prequel if they will be using alot of Valyrian subtitles? Or am I thinking of a different premise…

      Wow, lots of talk about this question! So I feel compelled to add one more thing to your original question and I’ll take a serious stab at it…I think Dany’s character should be making some minor mistakes in Dothraki, such as guttural accents. Remember the scene when Missandei was correcting Dany’s pronunciation?So if Emilia was thinking of how Dany would really talk, then she would make some minor mistakes. I can’t tell you if she did! But if she did, I could make a case that it fits her character!
      And it is my honest opinion that Emilia totally committed in that scene.Even though others have said they thought another speech was tedious, you can’t argue that she totally went for it.

      #2MOREDAYS

      Yes, I think this makes sense that she would have some minor variations as this is not her mother tongue (ie, not Valyrian) and her “accent” may be noticeable on some words. That would be true to life.

      It is not surprising that some found it tedious. This is not always a reflection on the performer or performance. I do not love opera (although I go quite a bit with others) and I sometimes struggle to listen through some of the long boring songs in another language – even now that the little screen helps out. (I am fine in the foreign language film though!). Sometimes I just zone out if the music is not lively. Yes, I am a peasant!

      That is an interesting question – I am not sure if HBO will do extensive use subtitles for the Valyrian. Although they showed My Brilliant Friend in Italian with subtitles. Let us see.

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    68. While I absolutely love listening to Emilia artfully and rhythmically deliver lines in Valyrian, the only additional use of it that I’ve been craving is she and Arya having a discussion in the language. I don’t care if the show didn’t show Arya learning languages, I still want her to be fluent. 😃

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    69. While I absolutely love listening to Emilia artfully and rhythmically deliver lines in Valyrian, the only additional use of it that I’ve been craving is she and Arya having a discussion in the language. I don’t care if the show didn’t show Arya learning languages, I still want her to be fluent. 😃

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    70. Danny,

      I noted in my reply to TB that I had no problem with Keira as Elizabeth. Matthew was also fine as Darcy. The casting wasn’t the issue for many P&P purists; the writing was. In the book Mr. Bennet barely tolerated his wife, and only because he was societally obligated to do so; it was explicitly stated that there had been a brief period of attraction in youth, but that had quickly dissipated. The man was utterly miserable. In contrast, in the 2005 adapatation the marriage is portrayed as a somewhat squabbling but ultimately loving one. That fundamentally changes the dynamics of both the parent-parent and parent-child relationship. That’s not “a matter of opinion,” it’s a simple fact.

      I’ll stop there, lest we descend into an argument about book!Dorne vs. show!Dorne. 🐍

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    71. Alba,

      Sibel Kekilli is in one of my all-time favorite films, Gegen Die Wand (the English-language title is “Head On”), directed by Fatih Akin. It’s a powerful, gritty piece of work. I highly recommend it.

      Incidentally, when Wolf Pup and I met her last year at Con she was stunned (deeply touched, on the verge of tears) when we brought up “Head On.” She told us we were the first people in the US who had ever asked her about it.

      If you do watch it—I have no idea what sorts of movies you like—prepare yourself to be slightly put off: It’s from 10+ years ago, and she’s had a nose job since (very unfortunately, imho).

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    72. Clob,

      You can argue whatever you’d like, lol!!! 😛

      Book!Dorne became far too messy, as many of GRRM’s feral gardens tend to get, but I still prefer it to show!Dorne.

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    73. Wolfish:
      Alba,

      Sibel Kekilli is in one of my all-time favorite films, Gegen Die Wand (the English-language title is “Head On”), directed by Fatih Akin. It’s a powerful, gritty piece of work. I highly recommend it.

      Incidentally, when Wolf Pup and I met her last year at Con she was stunned (deeply touched, on the verge of tears) when we brought up “Head On.” She told us we were the first people in the US who had ever asked her about it.

      If you do watch it—I have no idea what sorts of movies you like—prepare yourself to be slightly put off: It’s from 10+ years ago, and she’s had a nose job since (very unfortunately, imho).

      I was reading along until I saw “nose job”. Immediately something clicked – what I found odd about how Shae looked in GOT. She was pretty but Her nose does not look like it belongs on her particular face. I could not pin this down before. I had never seen her before GOT but nose job makes sense.
      (Yes, I googled, Sibel big nose – so I could see what she was born with. She looked fine before but I suppose she must feel better now, I hope she likes it.)

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    74. Mango,

      Interesting that that was your reaction to her face. 20+ years ago I worked with someone whose nose also seemed off to me, for reasons I couldn’t place. I tried really, really hard to look happy for her the night she proudly told me her parents had gifted her a nose job for high-school graduation!

      I have a schnozz more than one person has encouraged me to “fix.” It took a long time to grow into it, but I’m happier with my face now than I’ve ever been.

      /end ot digression

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    75. Wolfish:
      Mango,

      Interesting that that was your reaction to her face. 20+ years ago I worked with someone whose nose also seemed off to me, for reasons I couldn’t place. I tried really, really hard to look happy for her the night she proudly told me her parents had gifted her a nose job for high-school graduation!

      I have a schnozz more than one person has encouraged me to “fix.” It took a long time to grow into it, but I’m happier with my face now than I’ve ever been.

      /end ot digression

      Congrats on being able to look in the mirror, see yourself and love your life!!!

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    76. Wolfish:
      Mango,

      Interesting that that was your reaction to her face. 20+ years ago I worked with someone whose nose also seemed off to me, for reasons I couldn’t place. I tried really, really hard to look happy for her the night she proudly told me her parents had gifted her a nose job for high-school graduation!

      I have a schnozz more than one person has encouraged me to “fix.” It took a long time to grow into it, but I’m happier with my face now than I’ve ever been.

      /end ot digression

      Ooh lordie, please never change your nose. 😊 I think that little ‘different’ characteristics make people more attractive (not that it matters what I think.) My sister has a slight bump on the bridge of her nose, and I’m envious as I have a very boring nose. She used to have a slightly crooked tooth that I found endearing as well, but she needed to correct her jaw and so braces took care of that too. When I get Botox for migraines, part of me still fears that it’ll freeze my forehead (it doesn’t, it’s not placed the same.)

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    77. Wolfish:
      Thank you for the wonderful write-up, David!

      Btw, Jennifer Ehle is probably best known (in TV and film) as Elizabeth Bennet in the BBC’s superb 1995 adaptation of Pride and Prejudice. I don’t follow theater very closely, but she’s also a Tony winner (I don’t remember what for).

      Thank you, Wolfish! Seven blessings to you and yours.

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    78. QueenB: debuts

      Hmmm. Still shows “New. Season Premiere” for me. I’m not in France though. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is indeed the premeire title, but I don’t think they posted that with any official confirmation.

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    79. Jack Bauer 24: Hmmm. Still shows “New. Season Premiere” for me. I’m not in France though. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is indeed the premeire title, but I don’t think they posted that with any official confirmation.

      They even add episodes discription and it’s different for the two episodes, (i was surprise to see it) but i can’t be very sure if it’s official. On the internet page of the channel there is nothing, it’s just on the tv’s program guide and far as i can go it’s for the next two weeks (so two episodes) and the discription reveal nothing more that what we already know (which it’s better that way).

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    80. Surely those titles are rubbish but if true pretty much confirms Dany will break bad when she finds out she is not the queen.

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    81. I am the UK and seeing the same as you Jack, I am extremely sceptical about these titles. First and foremost the fact they are holding the premiere title suggests there is something spoiler to it, unlike the bland Winter is here.

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    82. Jon Snowed:

      I am the UK and seeing the same as you Jack, I am extremely sceptical about these titles. First and foremost the fact they are holding the premiere title suggests there is something spoiler to it, unlike the bland Winter is here.

      I just don’t see what can be so spoilery about it. They’ve already had 2 Red Carpets and hundreds of media types have seen the premeire already. I’m thinking HBO just isn’t going to add anything for the final episodes until they air.

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    83. Jack Bauer 24: I just don’t see what can be so spoilery about it. They’ve already had 2 Red Carpets and hundreds of media types have seen the premeire already. I’m thinking HBO just isn’t going to add anything for the final episodes until they air.

      They have removed the titles here, which make me thinking that those titles might be real and that they’ve made mistake by publishing them. 7h and we’ll see.

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    84. Jorah Mormont, the “Andal of Bear Island”? If anybody besides the Starks is NOT an Andal but one of the First Men it is the Mormont Clan!

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