[Updated!]New spoiler report on the North and the Riverlands!

Mesa Roldan

Photo: La Voz de Almeria

There’s a new spoiler report to share this evening but first, we have more information about the filming at Mesa Roldán, mentioned earlier today.

According to La Voz de Almería, in addition to the Carboneras mesa being prepped over the weekend for shooting, it was visited last Thursday by Game of Thrones star Peter Dinklage, who was accompanying Spanish location manager Pedro Aráez. With Dinklage visiting the site, it’s very possible he was checking out the place before he filmed there. La Voz believes that forty extras will be filming at Mesa Roldán, along with the speaking characters.

La Voz also says production had to remove parts of the wooden railing bordering the road and leading to the building, which will be replaced after shooting is done. The sandy road has to be covered up in places, and the scaffold you see in the photo is for holding up a green screen.

Update: Photos of the Mesa Roldán filming have surfaced- scroll down and click through for a look!

Los Siete Reinos brings us some new information today about two scenes– one involving the North, and one in the Riverlands. Consider yourself warned for SPOILERS!

L7R reports that Davos Seaworth will be present at the big battle brewing in the North. This was suspected after Liam Cunningham was present at the wrap party the “Stark” battle extras threw, after completing filming on the big scene. It makes sense Davos would join Jon Snow; with Stannis gone, the Onion Knight will need to find new purpose in season 6.

The other major tidbit Los Siete Reinos has to share with us today is that Gwendoline Christie a.k.a. Brienne is filming Riverrun scenes. We last saw Brienne in the North in the season finale. With her headed for the Riverlands, and Riverrun, she seems headed for a reunion with Jaime Lannister.

For what’s worth, someone else is headed to Westeros today: Carice van Houten!

Photos of the Mesa Roldan shooting have surface- thanks Chantal for finding these:

Here’s a bigger version of the photos for a closer look:

Photo: M Angeles López Teruel

Photo: M Angeles López Teruel

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    1. And may all Jaime/Brienne shippers rejoice!

      Also hyped at the thought of a Davos/Jon team-up. I’m betting Osha and Rickon will be in the mix there somewhere too.

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    2. Hot fucking damn! Jaime and Brienne Reunion. This excites me more than Snowbowl, Cleganebowl, Hairwatch and MaceOnAHorse combined.

      #GETHYPE

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    3. Wow, they weren’t kidding when they said stories would start to intertwine again. This is what I missed in Season 5.. everyone felt detached. Glad to see King Jon will be having a more than worthy (and slightly experienced) Hand to advise him in the North. This news more and more leads me to believe that Season 5 was meant to build up to the great things to happen. April, you son of a bitch, come sooner.

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    4. The Brienne-Jaime shipper inside me is screaming with delight!

      Not only Brienne will go to the Riverlands, but specifically to Riverrun, where she will find Jaime lifting the siege, or having done it already. And Javi from L7R said the siege is probably happening in episode 7, and Sue confirmed that Jaime will be somewhere other than Riverrun by the end of the season. So I’d say Brienne finds Jaime in episode 7 or 8, and then they go off… to wherever; to either post-LSH TWOW or to invented material equivalent to LSH.

      I’m also quite happy about Davos. He’s one of my favorite characters and, though I do wish that he lived the rest of his days in peace, that would basically mean we wouldn’t get to see him anymore. Following Jon is a worthy goal.

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    5. Apollo,

      Jaime and Brienne were going to eventually reunite anyway. Because that concerns their respective characters and their stories; their relationship.

      Meeting LSH may or may not happen; it’s plot —plot they can skip, if they both survive the incident. If both don’t, they can substitute LSH with something else.

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    6. Alliecat,

      Welcome! 🙂

      To anyone willing to answer – Lately I’ve been noticing several people use the term “shipper.” Would someone please tell me what a “shipper” is?

      Thanks.

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    7. hmm but what will jaime/brienne do if there is

      no LSH tho (except finally sleeping together)?could sandor possibly play a LSH type role? or maybe brienne/jaime/sandor will all band together to find and protect sansa.

      also the lack of cersei news is making me sad :(. i didn’t expect lena’s pregnancy to cut as much cersei screentime as it seems like right now.

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    8. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      It comes from “relationshipper”; someone who is a fan of a particular fictional relationship, usually romantic though not necessarily.

      Matt,

      What’s the difference with what happened in ADWD? Just a different castle; a very slight condensation. Did you really expect the show to go to the hassle of sending Jaime to some other random castle in the Riverlands just so that Brienne meets her there instead of at Riverrun? What’s the difference?

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    9. This is just ridicuolus.
      Davos knows nothing about Jon. The only king he respected was Stannis, don’t ask me why.
      He wouldn’t risk his life for a bastard he just met, specially if he has to ally himself with Melisandre.
      He has a wife, for God’s sake.

      And don’t get me started on the Brienne thing. So, after going to the end of the world to get Sansa, she just leaves her in the North?

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    10. Tywin of the Hill:
      And don’t get me started on the Brienne thing. So, after going to the end of the world to get Sansa, she just leaves her in the North?

      I’m sure they’ll provide a good reason for why Brienne goes south, where she’s supposed to be anyway.

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    11. S2, S1, S4, S3, S5, they’re all just spokes on a wheel. This one’s on top, then that one’s on top and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground.

      S6 is not going to stop the wheel, S6 is going to break the wheel!

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    12. Tywin of the Hill: And don’t get me started on the Brienne thing. So, after going to the end of the world to get Sansa, she just leaves her in the North?

      Brienne will probably make sure Sansa is safe first,

      at Last Heart for example, and then Sansa may send her on a mission south, maybe to find Arya or to bring Jaime back to kill him (effectively substituting LSH).

      Or… something else. Why do you automatically assume that D&D simply won’t bother explaining it? There’s a whole season ahead! And a whole book! And we haven’t watched or read either.

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    13. Matt,

      some random northerner or some random group of thugs will porbably just spill that they saw jaime fookin lannister at riverrun and then she’ll go all *heart eyes* and run there

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    14. Luka Nieto,

      If it hasn’t happened in the show and it’s not in this post, you need to cover your spoilers.

      Guys, it’s very time-consuming for me to keep adding spoiler coding. Please do this!

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    15. Next season is shapping up to be the best one.

      Davos in the battle makes sense and he will follow Jon like Wildlings. Sansa will most likely not make it to Castle Black and thus no mission to find out Rickon. It just fits. Sophie will proabbly shoot some interior scenes later so maybe she’ll make it to Last Heart with Brienne and send her to look after Arya. At least I hope so. Brienne and Jaime reunion is inevitable and lot of people will be very happy including me.

      Carice flew to “Westeros” and they’re shooting scene for Riverlands (it’s unlikely that Mel will be in Riverlands). Maybe they’re shooting some scenes for North. She probably wsn’t there at Saintfield. Castle Black scenes were already done or at least some part of it (exterior scenes with smoke). Might be some scenes after the battle, just before that. Aren’t usually interior scenes shooted in November or December?

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    16. Luka Nieto,
      Since when

      being in the middle of the North, about to go to war with her psycho husband, while the White Walkers are coming, is considered “being safe”.

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    17. Any news that isn’t Canadian election news is good to THIS girl! 🙂

      Yay Brienne! Yay Davos! Neither surprising, but certainly welcome. Stay alive, both of ye!

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    18. So Mesa Roldán is now definitely confirmed as Meereen. I wonder what they’re filming there. I see the Unsullied, but is that a Dothraki in one of the pictures? That would be telling!

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    19. Tywin of the Hill:
      Davos knows nothing about Jon. The only king he respected was Stannis, don’t ask me why.
      He wouldn’t risk his life for a bastard he just met, specially if he has to ally himself with Melisandre.

      He trusted Stannis’s opinion about Jon in Season 5 and

      seeing someone rise from a funeral pyre/come back from the dead/being miraculously healed, whatever exactly happens,

      can smooth away a lot of doubts.

      And we don’t actually know how Mel fits in with Jon’s story.

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    20. Tywin of the Hill,

      I meant “not about to die in the snow, followed by Boltons.” That’s safe enough, in this world. Also, Brienne’s a follower, not a leader. If Sansa commanders her to do that, she will. Also, Sansa will be protected by an army. Literally. Brienne is amazing, but Brienne being there or not won’t change the situation much… considering Sansa will be protected by a whole army. You’re just not making any sense to me, I’m sorry. I really do not understand why you hate this.

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    21. Luka Nieto:
      Apollo,

      Jaime and Brienne were going to eventually reunite anyway. Because that concerns their respective characters and their stories; their relationship.

      Agreed but its LSH that facilitates that reunion in the books as we all know. Not saying it will happen or even that I want it to- it just seems all the pieces from the book plot are moving into place. I can’t think of any other reason show Brienne will require Jaime especially considering she will have delivered Sansa (presumably) to safety and knows that Arya wants nothing to do with her. And no word on Pod I see (although we know the actor has been in Belfast).

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    22. Wow. Interesting news. I’m happy to hear that Brienne is heading to the Riverlands but I admit being surprised. I anticipated her to remain in the North since I predicted she’d wind up there in the long run but I suppose that’s not very exciting for a TV show so it makes lots of sense to have her cross the continent – again – and return from whence she came.

      Having Davos with Jon is a no brainer. I expect as much from the books as well. I’m left wondering what Sansa’s story will be though. And Rickon.

      Can’t wait for the season to start. It’s really shaping up to be a great watch!

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    23. Apollo: I can’t think of any other reason show Brienne will require Jaime especially considering she will have delivered Sansa (presumably) to safety and knows that Arya wants nothing to do with her.

      There are many possible reasons, many of them equivalent to LSH. When Brienne explains her quest more thoroughly, Sansa could command her to bring Jaime back to face trial (or maybe directly execution). Or maybe there’s no LSH equivalent and Sansa simply sends her to look for Arya; Brienne may say Arya doesn’t want to be found, but I don’t think Sansa would care.

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    24. Exit81,

      I think his opinion of Stannis after The Dance of Dragons should have changed a little.
      And seeing someone

      rise from the death

      sounds like the perfect way to give someone the hibbie jibbies.

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    25. Luka Nieto,

      If Brienne and Sansa have the “yeah, I saw your sister Arya in the Vale” conversation, I can’t imagine Sansa wouldn’t ask Brienne to try to find her. Thinking ahead, if Brienne is in the Riverlands and Arya ends the season in the Riverlands, Brienne just may run into her. 🙂

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    26. wanderer,

      There’s no confirmed end date, but filming will continue into December at least (several actors have confirmed that they will be shooting scenes then). Last year, I believe filming ended on December 13, give or take a day or two. That was a longer shooting schedule than previous years, but the extra time was necessary because the season included several time-intensive set pieces, like Hardhome. By all accounts, this season is likely to be similarly demanding.

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    27. Luka Nieto:
      You’re just not making any sense to me, I’m sorry.

      I’m not the one talking about

      Sansa ordering Brienne to kill Jaime or bring Arya back. Like she would know if Arya was in the Riverlands, or like she could force Brienne to go a thousand miles to kill a man she really doesn’t hate that much.

      Plus, if I’m being sceptical about this is because I’ve heard D&D excuses before (Littlefinger’s and Varys’ plans, ruining Stannis’ character by burning Shireen and throwing a spoiler at our face, 20 good men destroying a 6,000 men camp in a night…), so I’m not too eager to hear this one.

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    28. One question about Oparei, Alexander Siddig, Rosabell Laurenti Sellers and Indira Varma. Alcazaba of Almeria is likely to be Sunspear, isn’t it? Is it confirmed?

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    29. Jon and Ramsay will wrestle shirtless in a pile of snow to determine who controls the North. As one of the few honorable men left alive, Davos will act as referee.

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    30. Tywin of the Hill: 20 good men destroying a 6,000 men camp in a night…

      That didn’t happen. At all. Watch it again. They destroyed a few select tents with provisions, etc. Is that why people freak out about the “20 good men”? Do they think they destroyed the whole camp? Did they skip that part of the episode or what?

      Aethar,

      Not confirmed, but what else could it be? I doubt it’s the Water Gardens.

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    31. Exit81: He trusted Stannis’s opinion about Jon in Season 5 and

      can smooth away a lot of doubts.

      And we don’t actually know how Mel fits in with Jon’s story.

      Jon Snow is dead, how more definitive did they have to be?

      I am puzzled at all this buzz online. They spotted somebody who kinda looks like him, in a blurry photo from the back (seriously, why not wait when that person turns around) and now promoting all those wacko theories.

      This whole show is about Hodor. He be the one left standing and repopulating the planet.

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    32. Luka Nieto,

      I’ve seen it. Many times. 20 unseen men enter a 6,000 men camp (which, BTW, is the size of a small city) in the middle of a blizzard without being seen, put time bombs in the tents, which burn as if they had coated them with gas, them leave unseen.

      Now you’ll understand why I’m not a 100% sure about this season.

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    33. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Shipper= relationship hopeful. Creeps me out hearing it, like when someone says ” he’s my ‘work husband'”. Might as well be finger nails on a chalkboard while chewing tinfoil and wearing fiberglass underwear. No offense to shipper users intended.

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    34. Tywin of the Hill:
      Luka Nieto,

      I’ve seen it. Many times. 20 unseen men enter a 6,000 men camp (which, BTW, is the size of a small city) in the middle of a blizzard without being seen, put time bombs in the tents, which burn as if they had coated them with gas, them leave unseen.

      I don’t know what is a problem with this. This happened so many times in human history.

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    35. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      He wouldn’t risk his life for a guy he just met, specially if he has to ally himself with Melisandre.
      Plus, we’re not even talking about a war against the White Walkers, but a political war against the Bolton’s. Davos has never been a politician, he has nothing to gain by helping Jon.
      In fact, Melisandre supporting Jon and saying he’s “the One Who Was Promised” would make Davos even more reluctant to help him.

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    36. Tywin of the Hill: I’ve heard D&D excuses before (Littlefinger’s and Varys’ plans, ruining Stannis’ character by burning Shireen and throwing a spoiler at our face, 20 good men destroying a 6,000 men camp in a night…), so I’m not too eager to hear this one.

      I’m sorry if this seems dismissive, but these sound like the words of someone who, because they didn’t like what D&D have done with certain aspects of the story, are just going to decide whatever else they do which is part of that same story, or connected to it, will be horrible.

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    37. Yeah I can’t really see Brienne scouring Westeros for Arya yet again. If the repetition of the potential LSH and Jon ressurection or (supposed) repetition of Blackfish escaping is such an issue to so many, then this makes little sense… imagine how bummed the audience would be at more Brienne bumbling around achieving very little UNLESS there is something huge in the pipeline. A few sideways glances/unrequited love story between her and Jaime just ain’t gonna cut it.

      Tywin of the Hill: I’m not the one talking about

      Plus, if I’m being sceptical about this is because I’ve heard D&D excuses before (Littlefinger’s and Varys’ plans, ruining Stannis’ character by burning Shireen and throwing a spoiler at our face, 20 good men destroying a 6,000 men camp in a night…), so I’m not too eager to hear this one.

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    38. Luka Nieto,

      Why would anyone think Brienne will see Sansa safe before heading south? Far as I can see, she hasn’t delivered any of her promises so far. (Ok, Jaime got to King’s Landing, but not really due to her.) She’ll probably kill Osha and leave Rickon lost in the snow.

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    39. O.K… Jon + Davos= Dream Team, I loved the chemistry between Jon/Kit and Davos/Liam in season 5, great scenes! (And Melisandre… WOW!!!)

      Jaime and Brienne, again?? No words!!!

      APRIL!!!! No puedo….

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    40. Mesa Roldan = Temple of the Graces? I do think Souad Faress is playing the Green Grace. The description of her character fits that role the most.

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    41. I’m inclined to think of a much simpler explanation, that Brienne’s Sansa/Arya quest from the books is the red herring, and that her real story is with Jaime and Jaime’s with her. Which would explain the reason why George put them back together in the books, and the real reason the show is (apparently) doing it now.

      If the aftermath of Stoneheart in the books is that they are together, then you never know… they might just be skipping ahead to that and not need the Stoneheart interference.

      The show seemed to set up the Sansa/Arya meetings to outline for Brienne just how goddamn difficult it is to actually follow through with a vow, with the avenging Renly by killing Stannis and missing Sansa thing being an offshoot of that. I suspect that Brienne isn’t going to run into Sansa at all next season (one of those near-miss things) and that she’s going to get some bad information somewhere that will cause her to head in the wrong direction again. Who knows though. Obviously there’s some important story reason why she’s headed south again (seemingly) without the Stark girls. It’s probably because she doesn’t find them in the books, or at least not in a lasting sense. But I’m thinking that Jaime is actually her endgame.

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    42. Luka Nieto: ” Why do you automatically assume that D&D simply won’t bother explaining it?”

      why one would assume that the producers would make something… nonsense? It’s not like they never done, right?

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    43. kit_hepburn,

      Oh, I agree completely that however it happens it’s to reunite her with Jaime. The question here is what will be the reason in the story itself; why Brienne will travel south.

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    44. mau: I don’t know what is a problem with this. This happened so many times in human history.

      In the middle of a storm?

      mau,

      Arya saw Beric raising from the death, and she didn’t worship him as some kind of Messiah.
      Plus, Davos has already seen Melisandre’s magic and considered it an abomination, I doubt he’d think differently this time.

      Nymeria Warrior Queen,
      I can’t convince you otherwise, I guess. But I assure you I was fine with the Northern storyline until they put Davos in it.

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    45. !!!!!! Super psyched about all of this, Davos, and especially Gwendoline going to Riverrun! Jaime and Brienne WHAAAAAT!?! 😀 😀 😀 Jaime is at his best with Brienne to play off. And Nikolaj and Gwendoline love working together, excited to see where this leads 🙂

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    46. Tywin of the Hill:
      Plus, if I’m being sceptical about this is because I’ve heard D&D excuses before (Littlefinger’s and Varys’ plans, ruining Stannis’ character by burning Shireen and throwing a spoiler at our face, 20 good men destroying a 6,000 men camp in a night…), so I’m not too eager to hear this one.

      Tywin, I’m not trying to pile on here, because if you don’t like some aspects of the show that’s fine, but this part stuck out to me:

      “throwing a spoiler at our face”

      You’re going to really struggle going forward if Shireen’s death (if that’s the spoiler you meant) upset you. Even if TWOW comes out before S6 (I’m skeptical, but would be happy if it did), books 7/8 will most certainly NOT be out before S7 and 8. So, you’re going to be spoiled, and it’s not that D&D are wilfully “throwing” unpublished info at book readers. They’re telling the story as GRRM has outlined, and they can’t wait around for him to finish. You might have to reconcile yourself to that, or simply put a pause on watching S6-8 until the books are all out. See you in 15 years!

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    47. mau,

      Arya saw Beric raising from the death, and she didn’t worship him as some kind of Messiah.

      So what? She didn’t worship any king either. Arya and Davos are different.

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    48. Anyone who thinks the purpose of Jaime and Briennnes arc is for them to ride off happily together into the sunset clearly haven been paying attention to the story 😉

      Sure they’ll meet, something huge will happen and (I believe) one of them may not survive what’s to come – as GRRM himself eluded to: now that characters are coming together he no longer needs them both from a literary perspective and can start killing them off.

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    49. Apollo: Anyone who thinks the purpose of Jaime and Briennnes arc is for them to ride off happily together into the sunset clearly haven been paying attention to the story

      No one is saying they will have a happy ending; just that their stories are intertwined.

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    50. iridium,

      They clearly said in an “Inside the Episode” featurette that George R.R. Martin told them that Shireen is going to be burned as a sacrifice in WoW.
      They could have remained silent about that. That way we wouldn’t know for sure if it was an invetion or a spoiler.

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    51. Tywin of the Hill:
      iridium,

      They clearly said in an “Inside the Episode” featurette that George R.R. Martin told them that Shireen is going to be burned as a sacrifice in WoW.
      They could have remained silent about that. That way we wouldn’t know for sure if it was an invetion or a spoiler.

      To be fair, I doubt it would’ve mattered. Reading TWOW and coming to the Shireen scene, we would’ve gone ‘aw, just like in the show’, anyway. So there was going to be disappointment regardless. No point blaming D&D.

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    52. Dany at Mesa? That one pic is a girl with a braided white hair/wig, I zoomed and sharpened. It’s more than likely Emilia’s double. My bet is Ep 10, they have arrived at the Narrow Sea, being that tower is on a mountain bluff/cliff overlooking the Med.

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    53. tyjon,

      Meereen is overlooking a sea too. Every Slaver’s Bay city is, for that matter. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but there are other possibilities. Meereen being the obvious one.

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    54. Apollo,

      Well sure, one or both of them might not survive. I was using the term “endgame” rather loosely – I meant their personal narrative arcs are intertwined and it’s *probably* important that they are together before the REAL endgame hits (war, White Walkers, death and destruction, etc.)

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    55. Tywin of the Hill: They clearly said in an “Inside the Episode” featurette that George R.R. Martin told them that Shireen is going to be burned as a sacrifice in WoW.

      Actually, given that their job in the “Inside the Episode” is to tell the viewers how/why they did things, it actually was their responsibility to discuss that sort of stuff. After all, they are talking about an adaptation: so, they have to explain what they are adapting. Remember, their duty is to the TV audience: it most emphatically NOT to the book audience. (GRRM is the one with that duty, and if he had not been so remiss in fulfilling those duties, then this would have been old news.)

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    56. mau:
      S2, S1, S4, S3, S5, they’re all just spokes on a wheel. This one’s on top, then that one’s on top and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground.

      S6 is not going to stop the wheel, S6 is going to break the wheel!

      I smiled.

      GETHYPE.

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    57. tyjon:
      Dany at Mesa? That one pic is a girl with a braided white hair/wig, I zoomed and sharpened. It’s more than likely Emilia’s double. My bet is Ep 10, they have arrived at the Narrow Sea, being that tower is on a mountain bluff/cliff overlooking the Med.

      Yeah, I’m surprised everyone is so busy talking about Jaime and Brienne that yours is the first comment regarding the person in the picture at the Mesa site. It certainly looks like silver hair and I like your theory.

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    58. kit_hepburn: I meant their personal narrative arcs are intertwined and it’s *probably* important that they are together before the REAL endgame hits (war, White Walkers, death and destruction, etc.)

      I would bet against that. For one thing, neither character has been a central one from the outset: and the endgame will almost certainly revolve heavily around how the characters important from Season 1 onwards have evolved since then. For another, I would be really surprised if either character even is present in the end!

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    59. I don’t think we should just assume that every single character’s storyline will end in disaster. Perhaps none of these stories have a happy ending… and perhaps we’ve grown so used to horror we assume there’s no other way (who said that?). It may well be that some good characters will come out on top of all of this, maybe even Jaime and Brienne for all we know. Keep an open mind.

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    60. Robb Snow: perhaps we’ve grown so used to horror we assume there’s no other way (who said that?)

      Varys! 🙂

      Also, I agree. Martin said there will be an overall bittersweet ending. So some characters must have a happy ending, some a horrible one and others a…. bittersweet ending.

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    61. Jaime/Brienne/Bronn/Podrick touring the countryside and rushing toward whatever endgame awaits them… that’s a really nifty thought.

      There’s no telling what might befall Bronn or — dare I say — Podrick prior to the rumored Jaime/Brienne reunion, however. But I sure would be down for the four of them working together as a team.

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    62. Luka Nieto,

      Agreed.
      I saw many people comments how White Walkers are gonna win and it will be a giant bloodbath. You can’t blame people for thinking that, but I think we can expect some significant deaths (even those from original outline). I can imagine Sam with Gilly and little Sam getting an happy ending. That would be sweet.

      Wimsey,

      You still think that the original “big five or six” (depends if you count Sansa there) is gonna survive until the very end? I’m more sceptical and some of them ( Daeny or Sansa, Jon) will not make it.

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    63. “I wanna die in a woman arms who i love.”(or something like that) – Jaime Lannister

      That foreshadow from the series…Brienne is coming.

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    64. Is that Emilia’s stunt double in the first pic of the Mesa Roldan? It looks like a silver/white wig and she could be wearing Dothraki leathers maybe?

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    65. Turboo: Davos will never find out. Everyone that knew is dead except for Mel and she ain’t saying shit

      Most everyone who knew deserted Stannis and are strolling around the northern countryside.

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    66. I don’t think that’s Emilia no. Also I am not sure she has a stunt double this season because that girl who used to be her stunt last year isn’t working as her stunt anymore.

      As for the battle of fire, even if there’s nothing being filmed yet, I still have some hope they’ll do it in november, as someone pointed out, because of that casting info WoTW posted a couple weeks ago. This character should be played by Joe Naufahu.

      Long-haired warrior. Aged 30s – 40s. The show is looking for a non-white, tall muscular actor with long dark hair, a man with a powerful, warrior’s physique, intimidating presence and charisma. It’s noted that he’ll be learning lines in a fictional language learned phonetically, so we can safely assume this character is a Dothraki. The character has a lot to say in one big set-piece scene, in season 6. His shooting dates are currently set for the first two weeks of November.

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    67. Kargaryen,

      A Dothraki involved in a big set-piece with two weeks of filming… yet all the Vaes Dothrak and Dothraki Sea stuff seems to have been filmed already. Hm… You may be right! If November comes and goes and we hear nothing about a big set-piece battle in Meereen, I’ll be more ready to give up. Until then… GET HYPE.

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    68. Unless Melisandre doesn’t actually bring Jon back from the dead, but rather his Targaryen blood does with a bit of help from the Wall-Stark magic. 😀

      Tywin of the Hill:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      He wouldn’t risk his life for a guy he just met, specially if he has to ally himself with Melisandre.
      Plus, we’re not even talking about a war against the White Walkers, but a political war against the Bolton’s. Davos has never been a politician, he has nothing to gain by helping Jon.
      In fact, Melisandre supporting Jon and saying he’s “the One Who Was Promised” would make Davos even more reluctant to help him.

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    69. Interesting that Gwen specifically is mentioned. It doesn’t sound like Sophie is part of this… which means Brienne’s choice of Stannis over Sansa will probably bite her in the ass.

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    70. Geralt of Rivia: You still think that the original “big five or six” (depends if you count Sansa there) is gonna survive until the very end?

      Once they had been six. Four remained… and one GRRM could no longer sense.

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    71. Since Stannis is dead(?) and there was no Karstak treason mentioned they could have that happen with Sansa going North, she has to get by the Dreadfort, Karhold is between the Dreadfort and Last Hearth; readers know of the treason but viewers, Sansa, Brienne, Theon and Stannis (?) do not; because Theon never meets Stannis or the Karstaks with Roose.
      Since the winter is now in full swing, Sansa can’t make it to the wall she and Theon along with Brienne and Pod head to the Last Hearth but are met by the Karstarks who are as far as Sansa and company know are loyal banner men; Sansa could be convinced she’s safe gives Brienne the task to get Theon safely to a spot where he can get to Pyke and to search for Arya Pod stays with Sansa setting up the Karstark betrayal.

      Man this is going to be a more dangerous year for my girl. 🙁

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    72. Nymeria Warrior Queen,
      I can’t convince you otherwise, I guess. But I assure you I was fine with the Northern storyline until they put Davos in it.

      Fair enough, and if I was unfair in what I said, I apologize. It just seems like you’ve already decided it’s going to suck. You did use the word “ridiculous.” I didn’t have a problem with that departure from the books, and once Davos does what the books have him doing, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he ended up supporting Jon.

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    73. Master of Boobs: Most everyone who knew deserted Stannis and are strolling around the northern countryside

      This is true – we already know soldiers/participants in a battle relay and rehash events with their buddies, either in taverns or around campfires. Arya overheard those Frey soldiers boasting about attaching Gray Wind’s head to Robb’s body. Davos will hear the details about Shireen somehow, from some big-mouthed sell-sword boasting about how he saved his own ass by deserting that daughter-burning madman Stannis.

      In the meantime, yay, Davos is not only still around near the end of the season, he’s with Jon. Makes perfect sense to me. It was already shown he had respect for Jon’s judgment, otherwise he would never have taken the time to advise him about the Wildings. He wouldn’t give two shits about Jon being a bastard, imho. He went out of his way to save Gendry, a bastard, at personal risk to himself. Plus, he must still be heartbroken about losing his own son at Blackwater. He will want to do everything he can to save Jon. That’s the kind of person he is.

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    74. jentario:
      Interesting that Gwen specifically is mentioned. It doesn’t sound like Sophie is part of this… which means Brienne’s choice of Stannis over Sansa will probably bite her in the ass.

      Who’s Brienne’s or Sansa?

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    75. Jeff O’Connor,
      I hope Olly drowns in a puddle of Wun Wun’s piss.

      I know I’m late to the conversation but is

      Sansa really the only option we have in the show who will make Brienne choose between life & death and between vows? I simply don’t like the idea of Sansa forcefully telling Brienne what to do. Sansa is in no position to do so…yet, if she even survives the jump into Ramsay’s snow-covered torture devices. It should be a more dire situation for Brienne. (In AFfC…she is really in quite a horrible state) Who else can force Brienne’s hand in the show?

      Perhaps Brienne will have to make that choice after she finds Jaime?

      OT: Star Wars trailer in a few minutes!

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    76. Robb Snow: It may well be that some good characters will come out on top of all of this, maybe even Jaime and Brienne for all we know. Keep an open mind.

      Oh, thank you. That is what I hope happens, that some good characters end up at least reasonably happy. The White Walkers wiping out almost everything wouldn’t be bittersweet, that would be a disaster.

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    77. I have all but given up on the

      lsh hype train but what still gives me greatest pause is this casting call wotw posted months ago…
      Bower: He is a powerless servant, numb to the horror he serves. He’s filming around one of the days that below “outlaw band” members are so he may be connected to them. He is required to have a Northern or Midland English accent and appears in one episode.

      Wonder if he filmed in August or is this week and next week?

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    78. Not surprised Brienne is going to RL, Sansa will go there too, they basically moved them north in the show to cater for no Jeyne Poole and an unarticulated Vale plot in the books

      In the books Sansa and Brienne will go straight from the Vale to RL

      IMO Sansa will be a big figurehead out of Harrenhall not Winterfell like some people are thinking

      Moreso I reckon she will be in opposition to Jon Snow in the north and there will be a RL and North split, there’s a big point about Lady dying and she becomes affiliated with Hounds, Hounds and Wolves tend to be enemies

      Sadly this doesen’t bode well for Rickon, as his existence basically means he is heir to Robbs united Kingdom and negates any claim to power they have and for any Sansa/Jon spat to happen over he has to die

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    79. Nymeria Warrior Queen: But I assure you I was fine with the Northern storyline until they put Davos in it.

      The problem is that it is really tough to guess what Book!Davos is going to do after the learns about the Battle of Ice. However, I think that we can guess about where he will be in the book when he learns, and with whom he (Davos) will be. It is quite possible that the show is going to work towards something similar.

      Thronetender: The White Walkers wiping out almost everything wouldn’t be bittersweet, that would be a disaster.

      heh, it will be a disastrously bad story if it is as simple as that being what the Walkers want! We really should be asking the “big” questions: and one of them is, just what are the Walkers “about”? They are not a force of “evil.” And the “Warrior of Light/Promised One” is not what people are expecting.

      But as for the pair in question, I seriously doubt that either of them make it to the finale, myself.

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    80. Ghost’s Lunch: there’s a big point about Lady dying and she becomes affiliated with Hounds, Hounds and Wolves tend to be enemies

      Did you just imply SanSan? Now that’s a hype train I can hop on! Choo-Choo! 😉

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    81. Geralt of Rivia: You still think that the original “big five or six” (depends if you count Sansa there) is gonna survive until the very end?

      They basically have to do so. Remember, the story of the series is going to be about how those 5 (or 6) people evolve in common over the course of multiple stories. Moreover, none of the other characters are in position to take their places: the soonest that any other extant protagonist became a protagonist was in the third book. Even Jaime cannot be one of the “keystone” characters: he simply did not become a protagonist until too late in the series.

      Ghost’s Lunch: IMO Sansa will be a big figurehead out of Harrenhall not Winterfell like some people are thinking

      I doubt that she will be a figurehead in either in either medium. I suspect more and more that the show is radically redoing her plotline because the plotline in which she will become most intertwined in the book is being cut entirely from the show.

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    82. Yay! Got notification tonight that my WotW t-shirt and bottoms are on the way! Can’t wait to get them! Any chance some of the other t-shirt finalists will be available? I would reaalllyyyy love a “Corn…” t-shirt!

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    83. Anyone interested, here’s the link to the new Star Wars trailer.

      “Who are you?”

      “I’m no one.”

      🙂

      The desert scenes are superb. Makes me hope for another Dune adaptation.

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    84. Flora Linden,

      I’ve watched this thing ten times already and counting. So so so so hype. I’m a huge Star Wars/Star Trek fan. Between them and GoT, the next few years remain bright for me.

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    85. Flora Linden: “I’m no one.”

      Heh. Jedi = FM?

      I like the mood of the trailer but I have trouble with the newfangled lightsabers. Those cross-like perpendicular firestreams better have a purpose. Plenty of opportunity for self-mutilation!

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    86. Hodor’s Bastard,

      If nothing else, it might mean we won’t have any over-the-top, ultra-choreographed dance routines like in the prequels since a weapon like that would need to be used in a very controlled, deliberate manner to avoid self-injury.

      …or Kylo Ren could just flip and swing it around like a yo-yo and totally ruin any sense of realism (or as much realism as a lightsaber battle is capable of having at least). Like in the prequels.

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    87. Robb Snow: used in a very controlled, deliberate manner

      Totally. 🙂 I’m sure the blogs are dissecting them as I write this. The side jets almost look like exhaust outlets for the energy generated by the lightsaber. I need to know!

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    88. Wimsey: However, I think that we can guess about where he will be in the book when he learns, and with whom he (Davos) will be. It is quite possible that the show is going to work towards something similar.

      We agree on that. If you look at the bottom part of the post you quoted , I was saying something similar. What you just quoted was not my post. I screwed up when I copied Tywin of the Hill’s post, so it looks like I was quoting myself…and then apologizing to myself. Hahaha. I just noticed it because I couldn’t figure out why you were quoting something I didn’t say.

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    89. Phil Necro,

      “woman I love”
      please note he did NOT say “in the arms of a woman who loves me”
      Even Jaime knows he’s not going to end well… I’m 100% with Wimsey on this one… he’s fate is sealed with his sister.

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    90. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Sorry about that! I should have figured that out from the rest of the post….

      :sheepish emoticon here:

      Lady Wolfsbane: he’s fate is sealed with his sister.

      d’oh! Do you know, I completely forgot that they did the reverse foreshadowing on the show, didn’t they.

      But I’m betting her arms will be on him somewhere! 😀

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    91. Hodor’s Bastard: Did you just imply SanSan? Now that’s a hype train I can hop on! Choo-Choo!

      Yep, Gravedigger and Sansa will be reunited IMO

      Nice twist in that he’ll do Lady Lothston MkII guesome bidding in complete silence, loyal as a Hound!

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    92. Flora Linden,
      I have lost count of the number of times I have seen that trailer already. 😀 The internet is on fire this evening with theories. Including who is whose kids, etc. 😀 Is Rey Leia’s? Luke’s? Is Kylo a Han-Leia kid? And how about Finn? Is he Luke’s? is he Obi-Wan’s? 😮 And where is Luke, dammit? Not in the poster, not in the trailer, unless that’s his hand on R2. Who is Rey weeping over? Is Han dead? Is Finn injured? BB-8 with Rey is adorable. Apparently, Fandango crashed. People are driving to theaters to buy tickets for a movie that will be released two months from now. It’s total madness. Of a most delicious sort. 🙂

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    93. I think Finn might be an original character and not tied to any other established character specifically, and Rey may be as well (although her clothing and overall appearance does kinda call back to Luke in ANH).

      I do, however, think Kylo Ren is surely the son of Luke or (more likely to me) Leia. His seeming obsession with Darth Vader comes off as a bit too personal to just be some random schmuck, and his status as Darth Vader’s grandson could give him some kind of legitimacy within Imperial ranks.

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    94. Sweet summer children. All of you praying for a lovely scene between Jaime and Brienne. If you think this have a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention. Either Jaime or Brienne, or both of them will see the Many Faces God soon.

      I have been hoping for Jaime to kill Cersei… but I’m not sure now. And it’s a pity because Jaime is my favorite male actor/character in this show. So I’ll pray to the only one god to take Brienne instead.

      Did you notice that there’s no mention of Pod? I guess LSH is out there. I think maybe Sue is aware of this but cannot confirm or deny. 😮

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    95. What else exactly is Davos supposed to do at this point? He is a wanted rebel and a traitor. If the Lannisters ever catch him the absolute best he can hope for is being marched right back to Castle Black. He certainly won’t be allowed to keep his lands.

      As an upjumped commoner, all the other Stormlords would presumably turn him in in an instant if he tried to go home.

      He has three realistic options at this point:

      1) Try and find his wife and then go into exile across the Narrow Sea. Probably go back to being a smuggler again.

      2) Take the black and stay where he is.

      3) Hitch his wagon to another claimant to the throne and hope they have better luck. Maybe one that he gets on well with, is likely to ascribe him some value and that he potentially just saw rise from the dead?

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    96. Streetad,

      I mostly agree with you – I think that a lot of people ignore a lot the type of person that Davos is. He’s not really an independent person anymore – sure, he’s still independent-minded, and unafraid to speak his mind, but he needs a cause and a person to believe in.

      He met Jon. The yet sane Stannis had a good opinion of Jon. Jon has a cause that seems right and good – c’mon, defending everyone from the White Walkers? And I don’t really think that show Davos has a wife and a family anymore.

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    97. Luka Nieto,

      I’ve just thought of another possibility. I’ll spoiler the lot of it, since it has to do with another recent report.

      What if Blackfish resurfaces after he learns that Sansa is in the North – and what if Sansa sends Brienne South specifically to meet her uncle?

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    98. Matt:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      “shipping” means wanting two (or more) people to be in a romantic relationship together

      Oh, and I’ve been imagining ships… It is true what they say, the english language develops by the hour. Woe to us non native speakers!

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    99. Yaga,

      I think Sansa will send her back to the Riverlands to locate Arya after Brienne inevitably spills the beans that she’s still alive. It makes the most sense to me.

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    100. Tigger:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Shipper= relationship hopeful. Creeps me out hearing it, like when someone says ” he’s my ‘work husband’”. Might as well be finger nails on a chalkboard while chewing tinfoil and wearing fiberglass underwear. No offense to shipper users intended.

      And what on earth is a work husband????

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    101. Wimsey,

      They didn’t say anything in the “Inside the Episodes” where Barristan and Hizdarh die. Which is another clue to guess that those character deaths will not happen in the same way (if they happen at all) in the books.

      Streetad,
      I still think Nº 1 is the best.

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    102. Tywin of the Hill,

      Selmy will die I’m preaty sure of that. He will never get to Westeros again. Most likely in the coming battle of fire. I’m ver confident they got rid of Selmy to give his story to Tyrion, wich is my opinion a very good decision, as Tyrion is a fan favourite character, while Selmy is someone they barely know.

      Hizdarh is also just a minor guy, while in the books he may have connections with the SOTH, it’s clear he isn’t the leader, so if he lives or dies isn’t really important.

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    103. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Very well said.

      They already judging the story as bad before they even seen it. And throw statements like they ”ruined” a character, just because they didn’t like how the story went doesn’t mean other people didn’t.

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    104. mau,

      Nicely put Mau. 80-90% of the audiance hasn’t read the books, and probaly never will, it is for them they write the show not the 3-5% of purists (not all book-readers are purists, I can comfortably say they are a minority even among the book-readers themsavles)

      Davos’ Luck,

      Oh the absurdity of blaming the show for spoiling the books. What do they want them to do? Stop until Martin writes the book, wich may never happen?
      If they don’t want to be spoiled there is a simple solution: stop watching the show. I haven’t watched The Walking Dead, for 2 years and I haven’t been spoiled on anything.

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    105. Mihnea,

      1. It’s “pretty” sure.
      2. What you’ve just said has nothing to do with my argument (they could have shout their mouths regarding Shireen).

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    106. Sou,

      Yeah I absolutly love Brienne, thank god she finally got her justice, so no metter what she does I am very excited to see her again.

      Priscilla S.,

      If couple of people didn’t like the storyline doesn’t mean that it was ”bad”.
      It is what the majority of the audiance think that matters, not the tiny minority of book-purists (not directed towards you, but in a more general meaning), and to put things in perspective, even 10000 people can overwhelm a forum/site and you can easly think that is the general opinion, but in truth they make less then 0.5% of the audiance.

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    107. Yaga:
      Luka Nieto,

      I’ve just thought of another possibility. I’ll spoiler the lot of it, since it has to do with another recent report.

      I was just going to comment that I think this is a possibility. And Blackfish can replace LS as well, not in the same way but serve the same function.

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    108. Tywin of the Hill,

      Why? Just so you won’t be spoiled? Well you shouldn’t have watched the ”inside the episode”, that is what they talk there.

      Also I am beyond happy they spoiled that event, just so you and others can feel how it is to be spoiled. Something I’m confident will keep happening, thankfully.

      Yes, when I said ”preaty sure” I was putting foward a opinion. Just like you did when you said he won’t die, neither are facts. But yours lack arguments, while denying perfect valid ones because you have a personale dislike of the decision they took.

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    109. Tywin of the Hill,

      Well obviously Selmy and Hizdarh did not die like that since they did not happen to die in those scenes in the books. If D&D had said they did not die in the books it would have spoiled the show watchers about the books. The Inside Episode bits are meant for show watchers not book readers, telling that GRRM told them about Shireen’s death does not spoil the show watchers since they assume automatically everything important happens this way in the books and they do not really even care. Book readers who care about these things do not have to watch Inside Episodes. Do you really think that after Jon cakes back D&D will not say it was GRRMs idea? They want to clarify they are no making up the important plot points to those show watchers that are also book readers who do not care about spoilers and there is nothing wrong with that.

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    110. Chinoiserie,

      Very well said, a book-reader who doesn’t want to be spoiled should not wach a ”inside episode” video.
      That imformation, just like everything else in the show, is meant for the show-watchers, not book-readers.

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    111. Also, damn forgot to say my opinion on the-topic at hand!

      About Davos, can’t wait to see him with Jon, him going back to his wife, if he even has one in the show, is not a story nor a fitting end for Davos. So him going with Jon, who he clearly respected, is in my opinion a very, very good choice.

      I’m not looking foward to the Riverlands at all, I never liked it, so Brienne going there doesn’t really impress me. But I always liked her and Jaime, so I’m looking foward to see them togheter again.

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    112. Tywin of the Hill:
      Mihnea,

      1. It’s “pretty” sure.
      2. What you’ve just said has nothing to do with my argument (they could have shout their mouths regarding Shireen).

      ‘Shut their mouths’? In the world of adults, it is literally DnD’s job to adapt a story, and this was a major story point that they felt necessary to explain.

      Your disrespect of those hard-working people, and your choice of language, mark you as an entitled person, if not an outright troll. I’d love to be able to put you on ignore.

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    113. Yaga,

      That’s another perfectly reasonable possibility. I don’t know why people can’t even imagine the many reasons Brienne could travel south without breaking her oath to Catelyn and Jaime regarding Sansa. In fact, most scenarios that I can imagine involve Brienne not only not breaking but fulfilling her oath, by going in some quest or another in Sansa’s name.

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    114. Yaga,

      Unafortunatly he isn’t a troll, just a person who gives us normal and resonable book-readers a very bad reputation, sadly.

      Also agree, this site really could use a ignore button.

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    115. Mihnea,

      Even if I hadn’t seen it, the Game of Thrones Wiki put it in bold in the episode page. Everyone commented it in the internet. I couldn’t comment about it without reading it at some point.
      The only way we wouldn’t have been spoiled would have been if Benioff had shut his mouth. What did he win by spoiling it? Avoiding being criticised for making up that story? ‘Cause I assure you no Book-reader thought that GRRM was going to write it the same way.

      BTW, I had been spoiled before, by Internet trolls and my own curiosity, but there’s a difference between finding out that way and being spoiled by the fricking producer.

      You’re “beyond happy they spoiled that event”? Well, that says a lot about you.

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    116. Tywin of the Hill: Avoiding being criticised for making up that story?

      Yes. By people like you. I’m happy they did what they did, precisely because of that. And why are you watching a show that is increasingly close to the end of its published material, knowing perfectly well that they often adapt things out of order, so you could easily by spoiled? Even more crucially: why would you ever even consider watching the behind the scenes material about said show, or reading the analytical portions of a wiki, if you don’t want to be spoiled? In what world do you live in that you honestly believe the writers shouldn’t explain their adaptation and story choices in supplementary material that is explicitly designed to do so? At that point, if you’re still watching, it’s your fault if you’re spoiled; your inability to contain yourself isn’t D&D’s responsibility.

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    117. Tywin of the Hill,

      Ah and here comes out again, the anger and hate, and insults.

      Here is a option you should consider: stop watching the show, and stop going to fan-sites where we disscuss the show, and the wiki, where the show is disscusssed.
      Once the dislikes outnumber the likes, you should simply stop, and let those who like it enjoy themselves without your constant anger and hatred.

      And I am very glad they said that, just to spoil you people, who desarve it.
      And yes that says something about me, my distaste for you people. Whom I was attacked/insulted in many ways for enjoying this show. (on the other forums)

      Luka Nieto,

      Luka said it best. Being spoiled is enitirely your fault.
      You can always stop watching and going to fan-sites where we disscuss the show. That way you won’t be spoiled.

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    118. Mihnea: And I am very glad they said that, just to spoil you people, who desarve it.

      I can’t agree with that. I don’t want book readers to be spoiled out of spite! That’s almost as rude as Tywin of the Hill is being towards D&D. After all, I’m a book reader myself (though I don’t care about spoilers that much, to be fair). I was just saying that it’s only expected that Season 5 would delve into a few TWOW spoilers, and that D&D would discuss those spoilers in supplementary material whose main purpose is to do precisely that. I don’t get a kick about Tywin and others like him getting spoiled; but it is their fault, not D&D’s.

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    119. Sooo, it’s gonna be another season waiting for

      LSH

      to appear till the final episode? pleaso no….Just confirm it or deny it!! There is a Fairley watch?

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    120. Has anyone drawn a probable timeline for season 6 based on all the spoilers for each episode (based on its director)? If yes please link me!

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    121. Tywin of the Hill,

      Though they sometimes discuss adaptation in the Inside the Episode, they’re not forced to do so. I grant you, with Shireen it was probably in part to avoid (at least some of) the crazy people sending them insults and death threats for “killing her” (you know, a fictional character), either at all or so early.

      As for Hizdahr, it’s a really minor character whose death would spark no outrage —and it didn’t, not even in the most ravid circles of the book fandom, as far as I know. In the case of Barristan, assuming he dies in the Battle of Fire, obviously they changed the circumstances and especially the timing of his death so much that they were going to get shit about their decision even if they had spoilt that he was going to die early in TWOW. Anyway, what’s your point here? Why are you asking why they didn’t explain the deaths of these other characters? If I get what you’re trying to say here, you’re claiming D&D just wanted to spoil you about Shireen… out of spite? Is this the discussion we are having? Because I’d rather have a rational discussion, to be honest. Ciao.

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    122. Luka Nieto,

      So they spoiled her death in the books only to avoid 1 or 2 death threats? People would still insult them for ruining Stannis and spoiling the books, you know.
      My point here is: I want to know why Benioff blatantly said “When George told us…”. None of the reasons I’ve heard have convinved me so far.

      assuming he dies in the Battle of Fire,

      That’s assuming a lot, don’t you think?

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    123. Tywin of the Hill: That’s assuming a lot, don’t you think?

      It’s just a common assumption. If Barristan survives the battle, though, all the more reason not to compare, when there is nothing to compare; then it would just be a big change they decided to make. I know that’s heresy to some —but that’s just how adaptations work. And thank God it’s people like them in charge, instead of literalists who wouldn’t change one word. It really cannot be said enough: Good novels make for shit scripts, and viceversa.

      Also, please don’t speak for all book readers. I’m one and I wanted to know if that was D&D’s invention or Martin’s. I’m equally curious about Myrcella and others. I’m sure there were others who were glad to get an answer.

      I ask again, because you always reply without addressing anyone’s points: What’s the point in asking why they didn’t explain the deaths of these other characters? Are you claiming D&D just wanted to spoil you about Shireen out of spite? Also: If you are so averse to spoilers, why were you watching a show that was increasingly close to the end of the published source material, knowing perfectly well that they often adapt things out of order? And the question of the year: If you didn’t want to be spoiled, why would you even consider watching the “Inside the Episode” features, where literally the only thing they do is analyze the episode, sometimes in comparison to the books? If you’re still watching at that point, how is it not your fault?

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    124. Yaga,

      I have no doubt that Sansa will be the one sending Brienne on her quest south either for the reason you suggested or to find Arya, if Brienne mentions that her sister is still alive. But Brienne would have to mention Arya, right? I’m assuming no one else has told Sansa that Arya’s still alive.

      And I would actually prefer the show use Blackfish as a LSH stand-in instead of trying to shoehorn dead!Catelyn into the show after three years. He knows that Brienne was the one sent with Jaime, knows that the loss of that Lannister hostage was a big reason why Robb lost a lot of support, he could blame Brienne for breaking her oath to Catelyn and leaving, and then he could demand that she bring Jaime to Riverrun. Makes just as much sense as a zombie roaming the Riverlands for three years that no one bothered to mention, even when we had living characters also actively roaming the Riverlands.

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    125. iridium:

      You can’t see me but I’m making Kermit flaily hands. Thank you for posting that link!

      I was doing my Snoopy happy dance. 🙂

      Kay,

      I can’t wait to find out too. I suspect Ren is the child of the original characters. As for Obi-Wan, good grief, I hope that isn’t true, because that would confirm he’s a hypocrite, and that Luke’s purpose in life was to clean up the messes Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin made, which is tragic. Not to mention Luke, as well as Leia and Han, may have made messes of their own in the process. Those three never really had their own lives.

      And loved Harrison Ford’s voiceover in that trailer. “The Dark Side. The Jedi. They were real.” He’s a believer now.

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    126. Definitly glad to have confirmation of Qyburn’s return… yeah, there was absolutely no chance that he’d be absent for season 6, but it’s still nice to have confirmation… after all, Qyburn is one of my favourite minor characters, and Anton Lesser is perfect in the role !

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    127. Tywin of the Hill: People would still insult them for ruining Stannis and spoiling the books, you know.

      One, it is GRRM’s and only GRRM’s fault that the show is “spoiling” the books. He should have been done with the series years ago. Two, only the (seemingly many!) people who badly misunderstood what GRRM was doing with Stannis think that the show “ruined” him. Stannis is (was) a man with no conscious: he was a “dead,” “soulless” individual who adhered only to the general’s morality of “by any means necessary.” And he was in many ways the absolute worst of people: the moral absolutist. So, when people say “Stannis would never have X,” well: wrong: he would have.

      (Remember, Stannis is a secondary character in the books, not a protagonist. Stannis main role in the books is to present Davos with the challenge of simultaneously being this man’s servant and this man’s conscious at the same time. Almost all of Davos’ identity crises in the book come from trying to balance what what King Stannis needs to do and what Stannis Baratheon needs to do.)

      mau: I as a book reaer wanted to know if her death is something they created or that was from GRRM. You can’t speak for all book readers

      In a way, it is moot. When you are talking about how you adapted a story from one medium to another, then you have to discuss what happened in the “original” and why you did it differently in the adaptation. It is no different from a comparative anatomy class: this organ is a swim bladder and these arcs are gills for breathing; in this human, those arcs go into neck bones and that swim bladder is used for breathing.

      StandOzone: I have been hoping for Jaime to kill Cersei… but I’m not sure now.

      *puts on the Great Karnak Hat* I see…. choking in their future….

      Flora Linden: And loved Harrison Ford’s voiceover in that trailer. “The Dark Side. The Jedi. They were real.” He’s a believer now.

      Well, considering that the Jedi should have been in full force when Han was young, that line never quite made sense, even in the context of the original series!

      Dutch Maester: Julian Glover (Pycelle) is back on set next week (end of interview):

      But what about reprising his Star Wars role?!?!?! 😀

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    128. Say what you want about Cersei but her team it’s pretty bad ass.You wouldn’t want to mess with Qyburn or with the other “guy”.

      PS: #freecersei#houselannisterhasnorival

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    129. General comment:
      Am I the only one who thinks that we actually know much more about Season 6 than we knew about Season 5 at this point of filming? I mean, right now, we don’t know anything only about Dorne, do we? And that’s probably because they are filming – what? Next week?

      edit @Steve: (spoiler regarding a past report):

      perhaps the Payne-like banner in the Northern battle *was* Podrick’s after all? Brienne left Pod with Sansa?
      I mean, it would be a cool miniarc if Pod ended up being dubbed/knighted somewhere on the way…

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    130. Luka Nieto:
      If IrishThrones is right, though it’s worth nothing he often isn’t, Sansa is going to the Riverlands too. That would be quite a surprise to me, though others were theorizing this and have been for a long while.

      And another site said Sansa dies in the North battle.
      Could be the Karstarks that do it, if that rumor is true.

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    131. Brienne in the Riverlands?! Oh yeah!
      Ok, now tell me the Hound has been spotted on an actual filming location and I’ll consider myself satisfied 😛

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    132. Yaga,

      Yup. Also, a few months ago people were complaining we knew of so few new cast members and characters. And now the list is much larger than that of Season 5 at this time of year, believe me.

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    133. Han’s initial skepticism in the Force is like refusing to believe in the existence of White Walkers. 😉

      Wimsey:

      Well, considering that the Jedi should have been in full force when Han was young, that line never quite made sense, even in the context of the original series!

      No they weren’t in full force. The Jedi were in decline and in the process of being eradicated when Han was a kid.

      Obi-Wan, Vader and the Skywalker twins he met when he was an adult, and the Empire was in control.

      Unless the upcoming Han Solo spinoff movie shows otherwise, he didn’t have any major contact with Jedi or Force sensitives then. (Or maybe he didn’t realize it.) Why would he believe any of it until he saw it with his own eyes?

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    134. StandOzone:
      Sweet summer children. All of you praying for a lovely scene between Jaime and Brienne. If you think this have a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention. Either Jaime or Brienne, or both of them will see the Many Faces God soon.

      Sadly i agree… i think because of all the hints we get from the people who know , Jaime’s season end has been filmed earlier..(iceland maybe), and there is the spoiler they don’t want to share… and that make me really nervous for Jaime’s fate in the series and the books.

      We don’t have any actual hint on where Sansa is in the latest episodes…it will be very interesting to see what she does…

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    135. Luka Nieto,

      I also wanted to know if that was D&D’s invention or Martin’s. But I wanted to know it by reading the book.
      And don’t tell me it’s my fault for watching the show or the wiki. Even if I hadn’t watched any, I would have found out sooner or later (by Westeros. org, Los Siete Reinos…) even if I only wanted to talk about the books. The only way we had never found out for sure about Shireen’s fate in the books would have been in Benioff hadn’t said anything.
      Regarding spoiler about the books, there’s always been an element of doubt in it. Jojen may or may not die. Barristan may or may not die. The Others may or may not be led by a man called “The Night’s King”. But I didn’t knew for sure. But then Benioff purposely told us that Shireen was going to be burned to death.

      What’s the point in asking why they didn’t explain the deaths of these other characters? Are you claiming D&D just wanted to spoil you about Shireen out of spite?

      I was merely comparing how they remained coy about those deaths, but for some reason they didn’t with Shireen. I don’t want them to explain those deaths, obviously.
      Can you explain why they confirmed Shireen death by burning in the books? I can’t think of any logical reason.

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    136. Jeff O’Connor:
      grailking,

      As far as I’ve read, that was just a reddit post with no real foundation to it. Was there a website article as well?

      Not that I recall, but I don’t think this is the one debunked, but another rumor.
      I still asked if this one is false but no answers yet.

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    137. grailking,

      Ah, OK. Well I personally just kind of remember finding that reddit post a bit hard to believe, although I don’t even recall why, since it’s been a while. I’m not sure, it’s not that the details were unbelievable. Something about the presentation of the post struck me as somewhat likely to be made-up. But we’ll see!

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    138. To all the people wondering about Sansa: the one thing we do know about her is that Liam Cunningham said that ‘she has a hell of an arc’. And I think he has a sane attitude towards these things (i.e. is not a very exaggerating person).

      Dutch Maester,
      Ha! Great.

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    139. Wimsey,

      I don’t say this often, but “OMG.”

      I had no idea Julian Glover played General Veers in Empire Strikes Back. That’s incredible. Made my morning. Now all I can picture is S2 Tyrion grilling Pycelle for his involvement during the beard-cutting scene.

      “You ordered the firing of the very shot that scattered the noble rebellion to the starwinds for the rest of that movie!”
      “L-L, L-Lannister, e-everything I did, L-L-L, was f-for L-Lannister…”

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    140. The Riverlands is one place I am not much interested in. I love Brienne, so I just hope she’s going there with a good end purpose. I am confused about why so many posters write “Sansa commands her.” We have no idea yet of interactions between Sansa and Brienne, unless I have missed some spoilers.

      Nihl: Definitely under the impression that Ren is a Hanand Leia’s son, and that he is more or less the movie’s version of jacen solo

      Yes. sKYwalker soLO = KYLO Ren! Plus obsession with granddad’s legacy. 🙂 I am pretty confident that Rey has some connection with Luke – she is either his child/niece or his former apprentice, who went off after the massacre of Luke’s Jedi academy. Abrams has said that Rey’s and Finn’s last names haven’t been revealed yet, deliberately.

      Flora Linden: I suspect Ren is the child of the original characters.

      I think Finn is the character most likely to be a child of original characters. About Ren, I am pretty sure he’s Vader’s grandson.

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    141. Kay:

      I think Finn is the character most likely to be a child of original characters. About Ren, I am pretty sure he’s Vader’s grandson.

      That’s what I meant. I’m sorry, Kay, I should have written it more clearly. “Original characters” = Luke, Han and Leia. Ren is likely a child of one of them.

      Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac’s character), Finn and Rey aren’t biological family to Luke, Han and Leia. (But that Obi-Wan possibility I am dreading. I hope that’s not true.)

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    142. Kay:
      The Riverlands is one place I am not much interested in. I love Brienne, so I just hope she’s going there with a good end purpose. I am confused about why so many posters write “Sansa commands her.” We have no idea yet of interactions between Sansa and Brienne, unless I have missed some spoilers.

      Well Brienne did pledge herself to Sansa at the inn, if they meet ( notice Pod wasn’t seen after the shot of him taking his axe) I can see Sansa getting into a safe place ( perceived or real) and since Brienne pledged her sword to her Sansa sending her off to find Arya, leaving Pod to protect Sansa.
      Possibly by the show runners to give a Pod Sansa ship.
      I personally like Sansa and

      Ned Dayne

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    143. Hodor’s Bastard,

      After how they developed Sansan overall and Sansa being the wife victim price for everybody, I don’t want to see that… SansaxJoffrey, SansaxTyrion, SansaxLF, SansaxRamsay, maybe future SansaxPod and SansaxJon and now Sansan? Giver her a break…

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    144. Flora Linden: (But that Obi-Wan possibility I am dreading. I hope that’s not true.)

      I doubt there’s much truth to it. Obi-Wan is likely to be one of the Force Ghosts, training future Jedi. To give him a past would complicate matters needlessly.

      grailking: and since Brienne pledged her sword to her Sansa sending her off to find Arya, leaving Pod to protect Sansa.

      What I am confused about is whether there were any spoilers that indicated Brienne meets Sansa early in Season 6. But what you say makes sense in terms of Pod staying behind to protect Sansa, if indeed they met. I wouldn’t like that; I like Pod with Brienne far, far more.

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    145. Yaga:
      General comment:
      Am I the only one who thinks that we actually know much more about Season 6 than we knew about Season 5 at this point of filming? I mean, right now, we don’t know anything only about Dorne, do we? And that’s probably because they are filming – what? Next week?

      As a book reader I know way less about what will actually happen in this season compared to season 5.Almost everything was from released books there.Walk of Shame,For the Watch,Daznak’s,I knew all this are coming.From the books.Not in season 6.Dany,Jon,Tyrion,Cersei,Arya,Sansa,Bran,etc etc have passed the released books.All we know is what we can see in outdoor scenes for these characters.But in many cases we don’t know much.Only speculations.As for the indoor scenes when it comes to characters that are out of book material we know close to nothing.Compared to previous seasons when we had the books.It was only a matter of execution but we knew what the major events will be.We can anticipate some events in season 6,sure,but we can be completely wrong about them.Plus others that we are not gonna see coming,we enter in spoiler teritory with many plots from unreleased book material.

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    146. I have read the books and watched all 5 seasons of GOT. I’m not upset about any of it. First, a book is a book (a work of fiction) and second, a movie/tv show is show (a work of fiction). IMHO, I think LSH would be a mistake in the tv show because she would remind me of the zombies on the Walking Dead. ALL books and tv shows stretch the imagine…it’s ENTERTAINMENT and that’s what we all want and enjoy. I must say I usually read the books before a watch a movie/show because I EXPECT the latter to be different…adapting books into movies and shows is not a simple task and I have great respect for anyone making the attempt to take a book (let alone 1000 page books) and make them into enjoyable ENTERTAINMENT. I wish “purists” would stop posting how unhappy they are on a website that is known for spoilers just so they can be argumentative. Opinions are like a$$holes…we all have one. If you don’t agree with someone why expend all that negative energy complaining? Don’t watch the show if you don’t like what they have done, simple. Why watch background stuff on the disks if you don’t want to be spoiled for the book and WHY watch the show at all if you have nothing better to do than be negative and unhappy?
      I don’t post often but I am so tired of the unceasing arguments between book readers and show watchers. A debate is one thing, but the anger and the energy involved makes me think there might be a lot of unhappy book readers around.
      Sue and the staff at WOTW do a great job reporting fact not fiction and this site gives us a place to enjoy other show watchers and readers alike…If you feel so strongly about what is “wrong” with the show you shouldn’t be watching, let alone posting.
      Sorry for the rant….I’ll skulk away now.

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    147. Yaga:
      To all the people wondering about Sansa: the one thing we do know about her is that Liam Cunningham said that ‘she has a hell of an arc’. And I think he has a sane attitude towards these things (i.e. is not a very exaggerating person).

      Dutch Maester,
      Ha! Great.

      Sansa being killed and her death used to resurrect Jon? Sansa being raped by a White Walker? I don’t know what they still can do to her character.

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    148. Kay:

      What I am confused about is whether there were any spoilers that indicated Brienne meets Sansa early in Season 6. But what you say makes sense in terms of Pod staying behind to protect Sansa, if indeed they met. I wouldn’t like that; I like Pod with Brienne far, far more.

      Well, they are both in the WF area.
      Pod might see the candle in the tower.
      As for Brienne leaving Pod as Sansa’s protection…..I hope he got a lot of sword training during candle watch.

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    149. Wimsey,

      I don’t think they have to live (all of them). Especially for Jon or Daeny. I see some sort of sacrifice on the cards. I can see Tyrion being miserable but getting what he always wanted. Arya is a survivor, Sansa don’t know really. In fact resurrected people are basically one foot in the grave and if show is going this route with Jon. I see Jon as some sort of GRRM version of Frodo. Groege said that he very much would like to do LOTR ending. but obviously not copy of it. He can’t go on and live with Elves so other option is. Well…

      They can all live by some miracle, but in that case that would mean for example most likely Jon/Daeny to rebuild the Westeros, Targaryen restoration etc on the throne(and there would be winner on the throne) and Tyrion advising them. ADWD is largely focused on them learning how to rule and difficulties that comes with that. I can’t imagine George writing this ending. The victory will be costly and someone will pay the iron price for it. I expect at least one death from the original big five or six.

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    150. Matt:
      Tywin of the Hill,

      Seeing someone come back from the dead is a pretty strong reason to follow him.

      Also, is that Danaerys approaching Mesa Roldan?

      Scared of him? Sure. But follow him? Why? Just run away, baby!

      If I were Davos, I will feel more “organic” to search vengeance against Stannis’ army for what they did to Sheeren, than attacking the Boltons (who didn’t do anything).

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    151. Kay: I doubt there’s much truth to it. Obi-Wan is likely to be one of the Force Ghosts, training future Jedi. To give him a past would complicate matters needlessly.

      What I am confused about is whether there were any spoilers that indicated Brienne meets Sansa early in Season 6. But what you say makes sense in terms of Pod staying behind to protect Sansa, if indeed they met. I wouldn’t like that; I like Pod with Brienne far, far more.

      Brienne won’t leave Sansa without protection unless as I said above Sansa perceived safety is a lie which they don’t know of, Pod may slow her down and she orders him to stay, though Pod is good for Brienne because he seems to make sensible decisions, which she could use.

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    152. Tywin of the Hill,

      I do think a lot of regular show fans might have been upset by seeing a child burned to death. Likely the producers made that assumption, and felt there needed to be some explanation. If super-fans who don’t want the forthcoming books to be spoiled were the main show fan base, they might not have given us that information.

      After all, it is the murder of a child. I think it’s a wise calculation that more people watching would be upset by seeing a child murdered by fire that than spoiling a book (that most watching the show won’t read BTW). They told the audience this death is in the source material to maybe calm negative reactions.

      The producers have an interest in not alienating their audience. Unfortunately for you, they don’t have an interest in keeping super-fan book readers happy, as they really aren’t the majority of the millions watching the show.

      It always sucks not to be part of the majority, but that’s the way it works.

      And now can we move on? I see you were really disappointed by that spoiler, as do others. There’s little that can be done here about that.

      Luka, great job at nipping the vitriol at the bud, and keeping it civil

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    153. Reader:

      Unfortunately for you, they don’t have an interest in keeping super-fan book readers happy, as they really aren’t the majority of the millions watching the show.

      This is what it angers them, this is why it angers then that GOT won the Emmys, Or that it broke all records possible. They know they are in a overwhelming minority, and it hurts, seeing something you hate so much, be praised and admired.

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    154. Mihnea,

      Mihnea, your tone here, and it other posts, comes across to me as quite hateful. It’s difficult and tiresome to read over and over in every thread some version of how much you dislike ‘book purists’, and now what kind of horrible fates they deserve. It’s frankly quite unsettling.

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    155. So anyway. Irish Thrones is saying Sophie is filming along with Nikolaj and Gwendoline. Anyone able to confirm that?

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    156. SlayerNina: After how they developed Sansan overall

      How exactly did “they” develop SanSan, from your perspective? Although Sandor was capable of abusing Sansa during Blackwater and before, all he really wanted was a song from his “little bird” before he wandered away from KL. The concept of SanSan (that I adhere to) is not an abusive one but more of a respectful one, given their past. I think Sansa would let Sandor have his peace if she had the power to do so. Both Arya and Sansa had moments of assertion with Sandor, which I believe was beneficial to all three. It’s fun to speculate how both would react to a subsequent meeting.

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    157. Reader,

      I doubt that, if the general public were horrified about a child’s murder, saying “it was in the book” was going to calm them. Sansa’s wedding night was also partially based on the book’s, but that didn’t stop them from creating a controversy.

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    158. Very happy if the Sansa filming tweet is correct! Looks like SanSan is ahead, so she gets her love story after all, which will be nice for her, after all she has been through. I love their dynamic, and this will be fun to watch play out.

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    159. Reader,

      Here comes Mihneaa [Mihneaaa], D&D defendeeeer (sing it to Will Smith’s Men in Black harmony).

      Just kidding. But really, I kinda agree with Mihnea sometimes, but every topic seems to turn into a book fan versus show fan with that attitude. It gets a little annoying.

      That said, I actually got spoiled by Tywin of the Hill here, because I didn’t even know D&D said that the Shireen thing will happen in the books.

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    160. Mihnea,

      I think he means that the way you communicate is hateful, disrespectful.
      People are entitled to their own opinions. You should not treat them bad because theirs differs from yours. I just recently found out that English is not your native language.
      I suggest reading your posts before posting, if it sounds mean then tweak it.

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    161. Dolorous Edd,

      I have no problems with nicknames or even if someone calls me names. Got used with this since school, doesn’t bother me at all.
      But please for the love of god don’t compare me with…”her”.

      I never called anyone idiots or dumb or any other insusts. Never insulted Martin, or called him names like she does.

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    162. Tywin of the Hill,

      Not really, he went months without being spoiled on that. By doing what you didn’t, not watching the ”inside” episode. And he is a regular poster here.
      So that again proves that you can avoid spoilers.

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    163. Mihnea:
      Dolorous Edd,

      I have no problems with nicknames or even if someone calls me names. Got used with this since school, doesn’t bother me at all.
      But please for the love of god don’t compare me with…”her”.

      I never called anyone idiots or dumb or any other insusts. Never insulted Martin, or called him names like she does.

      Sorry, I had no intention of calling you names or anything.

      And I have no idea who “she” is. Really, I’m not being ironic here.

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    164. Dolorous Edd,

      Linda, the owner/chief purist on westeros.org who constantly insults the writers of the show, claiming the Emmy voters where ”smocking crack when they voted for GOT”, she threaten to spoil Jons death,…etc.
      And a common ”nickname” for her is lindaaaa. I would advise googling that and looking for a tumblr post on her…it will tell you all you need to know of her.

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    165. Tywin of the Hill: I couldn’t have spoiled it if D&D hadn’t spoiled it first, so the blame’s on them

      No, it’s on the guy who should have published the book’s version of it years and years ago. Their job in those clips is to explain the adaptation process.

      Next season will be filled with spoilers for Winter. The season after that will be filled with spoilers for Spring (if Spring ever is published). That’s not B&W’s fault.

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    166. HotPinkLipstick,

      I hope she is not there. They foreshadowed Sansa’s storyline in S6 with her finding out about Jon and Rickon/Bran.

      It makes no sense for her to leave the North after that, especially now, when LF is coming with an army.

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    167. Jeff O’Connor: I had no idea Julian Glover played General Veers in Empire Strikes Back. That’s incredible.

      He also played the Scaroth on Doctor Who in “City of Death,” which is one of the few original series Doctor Who stories that has not aged poorly. (He also played Richard the Lionhearted in a 1960’s Doctor Who episode that no longer exists.)

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    168. But if they hook her up with Rickon at Last Hearth, which is where they sent him in the show

      (Art and Natalie/Rickon and Osha were seen filming), Sansa could stay in the North there. Or maybe she’s going south with Brienne to try to bring the Tullys into the fray as support for Rickon?

      Either way, Brienne is going to end up in a Lannister camp. And reports are that Jaime ends up somewhere else by seasons end. So, does he head off with just Brienne or is it with Brienne AND Sansa? Maybe the BF takes Sansa and they send JB off to search for Arya?

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    169. HotPinkLipstick,

      mau,

      Ahhh, come on, we need some happiness here somewhere. Okay putting the tinfoil on, you probably should do the same, for your protection.
      At the end of season six, after the northern battle, Sansa will travel to the Riverlands with an army to claim RR. She happens to find out her mother was buried on the Quiet Isle. She visits her grave and runs into…..

      Well, that was fun…

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    170. Hodor’s Bastard: How exactly did “they” develop SanSan, from your perspective?

      Can we… not talk about SanSan here? I find it viscerally disgusting. I want to vomit when I see the word and think of its implications. And you’re correct, it hasn’t really appeared in the show – and I hope it doesn’t! And, luckily, there hasn’t been anything even remotely hinting at the possibility among the show spoilers for S6 so far.

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    171. HotPinkLipstick,

      I think that Brienne, Pod, Sansa and Theon will meet at the beginning of S6. And then, for some reason, Theon will go to the Iron Islands, Brienne in the Riverlands and Sansa will stay in the North, 99% at the Wall, IMO.

      She won’t be with the Umbers, because they will appear only in 2 episodes, and one of those is E9, the big battle.

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    172. Yaga,

      At last!! Someone who shares my absolut disgust at that theory. So glad they never went that way!

      mau,

      I know Umber is in 2 episodes, but was it confirmed how many episodes Karstark will be in?
      Damn, Umber being only in 2 episodes is the only thing that makes me doubt Sansa will go there.
      So yeah, until we have more info, I’m going with Sansa at the Wall too. After all Ramsey did remind her Jon is there for a reason.

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    173. Yaga: I find it viscerally disgusting.

      You completely misinterpreted my post then. Read it again. My interpretation of SanSan is different from the deluded one you are referencing.

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    174. Mihnea:
      Yaga,

      At last!! Someone who shares my absolut disgust at that theory. So glad they never went that way!

      mau,

      I know Umber is in 2 episodes, but was it confirmed how many episodes Karstark will be in?

      Karstark will be in 3 episodes.

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    175. Yaga,

      You have to reorient your ideas for this world. Throughout most of human history, “old enough to bleed = old enough to breed.” Men like Sandor Clegane often would marry later than their older brothers as they did not have the prospects that their older brothers did: but when they did, they would usually marry teenage girls because that was the age of women who got married.

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    176. There are so many possibilities that get Brienne south, with or without Sansa. I’ve seen people suggest the Boltons put out word that Sansa is dead when she comes up missing. That would give Brienne reason to head south to tell Jaime that she’s a total failure and to return Oathkeeper, which puts Jaime and Brienne back together like in Dance.

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    177. Mihnea:
      SlayerNina,

      Just a random tought. How does Davos who is at CB know what happened with Stannis?

      He lost the battle, he died. That is all they know, nothing more.

      Melisandre arrived at the Wall with a very sad, sad look. That could be a hint

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    178. Hodor’s Bastard,

      It wasn’t develop at all, so it’s quite shocking how showfans are shipping it so hard. If you watched it closely, they were like 5 minutes onscreen together alone. They don’t know any of the subtext of the “relationship” and most of the moments were cut out or given to other characters. Sandor had more bonding with Arya in one season than overall with Sansa. The only Little Bird reference was on an deleted scene and for different reasons (“I’m the kings dog you are his bird” WTF???”).

      Unless, of course, you are on the ship of “X with Sansa”, in which Sansa is the default character to develop the other/plot driver/author’s avatar (I even read one of Sansa x Tywin Lannister!!) or you are on just “Sandor is amazing/complex/misterious/hot/etc etc” wagon and you’re using Sansa to explore his personality.

      Ok I don’t know how to explain this. Did you understand something? lol

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    179. Hodor’s Bastard,

      Then don’t call it SanSan if you don’t mean a romantic relationship between Sansa Stark and Sandor Clegane? Say, ‘I think it would be cool if the Hound and Sansa met again’? I’m really sorry if I misinterpreted your intent here, but you can’t fault me for going for the most frequent interpretation of the word!

      Mihnea,

      I’m sorry, I’m not looking for allies. Especially since you’ve been called out for being aggressive on this very page – an assessment with which, to some extent, I agree; you’re incredibly insistent.

      Either way, there have been no spoilers regarding… uh, that thing, have they?

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    180. Wimsey:
      Yaga,

      You have to reorient your ideas for this world.Throughout most of human history, “old enough to bleed = old enough to breed.”Men like Sandor Clegane often would marry later than their older brothers as they did not have the prospects that their older brothers did: but when they did, they would usually marry teenage girls because that was the age of women who got married.

      Not historically accurated. In Westeros yes, but giving the fact that the purpose of sex is to have heirs, it’s more usual (in Westeros and real life) to bride a bit older bride who can survive sex, bearing the child and birth (she and the baby).

      Even you marry a child bride, you wait several years to bed her, Westeros people were surprised to marry someone so young (with Dany and Sansa).

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    181. The Tattered Prince:
      Hey, what if

      SansaxTormund? When Jon kill Ramsay?

      New ship on board! lol

      No, seriously, I think the show has use Sansa as a device to other character’s development or punching bag a long time, it’s time to give her a bit of agency…

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    182. SlayerNina,
      Yaga,
      Well, it is a delicate path I walk then, knowing the traditional deranged “SanSan” interpretations, which are quite deluded, imho, given the textual facts between them.

      But given Sansa’s thoughts and Sandor’s “gravedigger” perspective, there are intriguing possibilities for their respectful compatibility in the future. It is only a thought exercise to contrast the Cleganebowl idiocy.

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    183. SlayerNina,

      I am pretty sure he called her that in the scene during the Blackwater battle. I think she goes to her chamber and finds him there. Sandor says something like “if you are smart you leave this place, come with me.” And Sansa asked “You won’t hurt me?” And he says “no little bird, I won’t hurt you”. Now I have to watch that episode again.

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    184. Newbietothegame,

      He also says something like “get the little bird back to her cage” after saving her from the rapists at the riot of King’s Landing. I’m pretty sure there were other instances as well.

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    185. Grenouille:
      Sophie was at a press conference in London for her new project PowerShift this morning. So I doubt she was able to travel so fast to film in Corbet.
      http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/20/game-of-thrones-sophie-turner-signs-up-for-huffington-post-web-series

      I searched and there is no picture of her there, only a video of her and a man speaking in front of it. This is not a proof that she was filming in Riverlands set though….only people who know can tell us.

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    186. <a href="#Either Jaime or Brienne, or both of them will see the Many

      Maggie: Sadly i agree… i think because of all the hints we get from the people who know , Jaime’s season end has been filmed earlier..(iceland maybe), and there is the spoiler they don’t want to share… and that make me really nervous for Jaime’s fate in the series and the books.

      Although I am a big romantic and would adore a happy ending, I am also very much afraid that Jaime is not going to stick around until the end of the show. What with the “I want to die etc” speech that might have been preparing the way, what with how awful a person he has been, I am just afraid that catharsis approaches for him.

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    187. Reader:
      Mihnea,

      Mihnea, your tone here, and it other posts, comes across to me as quite hateful.

      If I may, Mihnea is not a native english speaker and that may have to do something with the way he/she comes accross. I am also not a native speaker and I don’t find him/her hateful or anything. Just way too passionate sometimes.

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    188. SlayerNina: They don’t know any of the subtext of the “relationship” and most of the moments were cut out or given to other characters.

      Sure, and most agree that Sansa is on a “slow burn” toward agency in canon and adaptation. GRRM covets Sansa, for better or worse. D&D took advantage of that “slow burn” to exploit her again in S5 for obvious dramatic purposes. I don’t think we disagree there.

      Of course “they” don’t know the subtext of the “Blackwater” scene. The text is strong canon here, but the show scene did it justice. As I mentioned before, there was potential for significant abuse, but Sansa did have a moment of assertion and Sandor, even in a drunken stupor, held off. To me, that was a very significant development, which reverberated throughout Arya’s and Sansa’s subsequent arcs.

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    189. Sou:

      Although I am a big romantic and would adore a happy ending, I am also very much afraid that Jaime is not going to stick around until the end of the show.What with the “I want to die etc” speech that might have been preparing the way, what with how awful a person he has been, I am just afraid that catharsis approaches for him.

      Everything points that this is the last season for Jaime, he is one my fav characters and i was 100% sure he will not die in books….but that show speech ruined it for me, and the hints now… i am trying to get prepared for it. This will not be catharsis though, catharsis bring relief to the audience and i will be very upset when this will happen 🙂

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    190. grailking,

      Sorry, but Dreadfort is nowhere near Winterfell, therefore Sansa shouldn’t have to get past Dreadfort on her way to Last Hearth. Karhold is not directly between Dreadfort and Last Hearth either, therefore “your girl” shouldn’t have to approach that town either on her way to Last Hearth (if she will indeed go there).
      Sansa could go towards Deepwood Motte (if I’m not mistaken that was the last town controlled by the Iron Men – hence Alfie Allen being spotted on the location where they shot a certain Iron Men related scene).

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    191. Wimsey,
      Just to play devil’s advocate here, you’re ignoring the fact that Yaga said “visceral” probably meaning that the reaction isn’t put into a rational context and actually doesn’t have to be. That’s how they perceive it, plain and simple. No amount of rational arguments like you posit will change that. Nor should it necessarily.

      See how I did that? I agree with you both.

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    192. Flora Linden,

      THANK YOU! All the kudos to you for putting it simply like so. Han Solo was barely ten when the Jedi fell to the machinations of Palpetine. And definitely not “in the know”. The always bashing of every fucking line SW ever puts out in the trailers gets so annoying. First it was Mark Hamill’s voice over complaint now it is Harrison Ford. And for the record it makes perfect sense because Daisy’s voice speaks about stories of the past that Han confirms. Total sense. Thank you. I need a chamomile tea.

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    193. Hodor’s Bastard,

      Such a pity how Sandor get his scars story was given to LF (it was Rory’s casting call! T_T) and the scene of why he hates knights so much were lost forever… What a powerful scenes could have been.

      And on Sansa’s slow burn… I just lol’d when she’s like “being the perfect lady” on the surface and thinking how she wanted Lannister’s ruin. The show infuriates me: everytime she appeared onscreen on season 1 doing “girly things” such wanting Joff’s babies she’s mocked by the other characters surronding her, like Arya and Cat (that was precisely the point or her upbreeding, bitch! Why are you so upset about here?). And excepting few glimpses with Joff, her agency was cut completely from her, like when erasing the “not kneel” moment or Dontos…

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    194. TormundsWoman,

      Your welcome.

      The always bashing of every fucking line SW ever puts out in the trailers gets so annoying

      Well, that can happen in GoT fandom too. 😉 I try to enjoy whatever is offered in both franchises and not get obsessed over every tiny detail.

      I need a chamomile tea.

      I’m having tea right now – in my case, oolong. 🙂

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    195. SlayerNina: everytime she appeared onscreen on season 1 doing “girly things” such wanting Joff’s babies she’s mocked by the other characters surronding her,

      Well, tbh, GRRM did have Sansa pumping out Joff’s babies in his original outline…. 🙂

      Just wait until GRRM gets tired of coveting her….it could be gruesome or awesome…

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    196. It’s generally assumed to mean that but when invented in the Xfiles fandom it meant more relationship oriented though not Rome specific (albeit its original counter faction was the ‘noromos’ who were against any romance and thus regularly missed what the shippers were actually saying while they assumed ‘romance’ as the only interpretation of ‘relationship’. In those days actually advocating a romance was ‘MSR’ (Mulder/scully romance). Not just shipper.

      / ancient fandom history.

      Matt:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      “shipping” means wanting two (or more) people to be in a romantic relationship together

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    197. Maggie,

      Well he did throw Bran from that tower… and killed that boy when he was trying to escape Robb. From a very strict moral/ethical point of view… he has doomed himself. Too bad, as you say Maggie. Unless of course the show writers don’t care about the classical elements of tragedy and decide to surprise us all!

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    198. Flora Linden,

      Hah! Oops, looks like I lost my cool there for a bit! Bad, bad TW. At least I know what the remedy is, eh?!

      GoT fandom is pretty young compared to SW and generally criticism to SW it’s water off my back. It has it’s flaws I’m sure, though I don’t see them. However, this was barely a trailer and criticism of Han’s line was a bit much apparently for me, coming right after Mark’s one LOL.

      Got it all back together now.

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    199. Hodor’s Bastard,

      I get the feeling that Sansa will get much tougher and surprise as all. She has been such an abuse victim that a little redemption is truly needed. That is in the show. Not sure about the novels because it seems to me that Mr. Martin has no real intention of getting on with that.

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    200. I know Umber is in 2 episodes, but was it confirmed how many episodes Karstark will be in?
      Damn, Umber being only in 2 episodes is the only thing that makes me doubt Sansa will go there.
      So yeah, until we have more info, I’m going with Sansa at the Wall too. After all Ramsey did remind her Jon is there for a reason.

      Here’s the thing though; for Sansa to show growth she needs to out think Ramsey, she knows about Jon because Ramsey mentioned it, so she has to mislead him into thinking she went there and go somewhere else or vice versa.

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    201. Ionuts:
      grailking,

      Sorry, but Dreadfort is nowhere near Winterfell, therefore Sansa shouldn’t have to get past Dreadfort on her way to Last Hearth. Karhold is not directly between Dreadfort and Last Hearth either, therefore “your girl” shouldn’t have to approach that town either on her way to Last Hearth (if she will indeed go there).
      Sansa could go towards Deepwood Motte (if I’m not mistaken that was the last town controlled by the Iron Men – hence Alfie Allen being spotted on the location where they shot a certain Iron Men related scene).

      The Dreadfort and Karhold are NE of WF and the Kings Road,Sansa and Reek gone missing Roose will definitely have that road watched and if the Kstarks are with him as I think they are per the Theon torture scene they will also be watching for her.
      Going to DWM is way to far to divert to get to CB especially in winter.
      She need to either goto White Harbor or somewhere else to get to Jon, either way she has to avoid the Boltons and KStarks.

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    202. Dame Pasty:
      grailking,

      The problem with her going to Wall is that Jon won’t be there or won’t be there for very long.I think she’ll stay in WF once it’s retaken.I don’t see much sense in her going elsewhere.

      The question to that is: where does she go?
      I always thought she hide in WF, but I’m not sure anymore.

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    203. SlayerNina: He lost the battle, he died. That is all they know, nothing more.

      Melisandre arrived at the Wall with a very sad, sad look. That could be a hint

      If you mean does Davos know that Shireen is dead, yes, he knows. Mel rode through the gate, Jon immediately asked about Stannis, she gave him that sad look. Then Davos takes her by the arms and stares straight into her eyes and says “Shireen? The Princess?” and she looks even sadder. So Davos knows that Shireen is dead, he just doesn’t know the circumstances.

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    204. Sou: Sansa will get much tougher and surprise as all.

      Crackpot Tinfoil:

      In TWoW, after an awful post-tourney incident (rape? assassination attempt?), an injured Sansa leaves the Vale secretly with the BF and meets up with BwB/LS and perhaps Jaime (kidnapped?) and Brienne. Together, they continue to wreck havoc on the Freys and Lannister forces around RR, Sansa heals and sees the insane rage of her mother, and the BF starts informing trusted allies (in the Vale and elsewhere) that Sansa is alive, LF killed Lisa, and that they are awaiting the results of the WF battle. Sansa will escalate. 🙂

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    205. grailking,

      I’m thinking she and Theon will start towards the coast. She’ll run into the Vale Army (because LF, if he’s smart, will transport his troops via ship, much faster than over land). She’ll somewhat forgive Theon and send him home, she’ll return with LF back toward WF where Jon will have arrived. Boltons get defeated, Jon hands off WF to her (and Rickon if he shows up). He goes off to consolidate the forces of Westeros as best he can.

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    206. Hodor’s Bastard: Just wait until GRRM gets tired of coveting her….it could be gruesome or awesome…

      Or both! I do wish that GRRM had started Sansa’s evolution just a little earlier: it is a real shame that she did not participate in or contribute to the “kill the girl, let the woman be born” Crows/Dragons story.

      SlayerNina: like Arya and Cat (that was precisely the point or her upbreeding, bitch! Why are you so upset about here?)

      Cat never mocked Sansa for that. Catelyn thought that Sansa was the perfect daughter, and she was initially thrilled by the match. It was Arya that drew Catelyn’s ire: Thrones!Cat had no use for women who think for themselves.

      The Tattered Prince,
      Sansa’s a protagonist, not a bit character! Her role is and will continue to be to evolve into whatever Sansa is supposed to be when they figure out what the White Walkers et al. really mean.

      grailking: The question to that is: where does she go?
      I always thought she hide in WF, but I’m not sure anymore.

      Sansa will go wherever the trees guide her, I should think.

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    207. Dame Pasty: Boltons get defeated, Jon hands off WF to her (and Rickon if he shows up). He goes off to consolidate the forces of Westeros as best he can.

      So, you do not think that she will find a purpose in trying to find and restore Rickon? Sansa should have some supernatural help now.

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    208. Yaga: Can we… not talk about SanSan here? I find it viscerally disgusting. I want to vomit when I see the word and think of its implications. And you’re correct, it hasn’t really appeared in the show – and I hope it doesn’t! And, luckily, there hasn’t been anything even remotely hinting at the possibility among the show spoilers for S6 so far.

      I couldn’t agree with this more. 🙂

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    209. Wimsey,

      So, you do not think that she will find a purpose in trying to find and restore Rickon? Sansa should have some supernatural help now.

      No, what I said she will stay in WF and restore it herself or help Rickon do that. I think that would be great either way because she will finally being doing what she wants and helping her family. Although as a modern woman I’m not keen on her helping her little bro become Lord when she is older and more capable but as you frequently point out it’s Westeros, not here, not now. So yes, I think she will find a purpose that way.

      As for supernatural help, I’m not sure what you mean. Jon won’t be in WF long and I don’t see Mel staying in WF without him. I suppose if Jon finds out that she killed Shireen, he doesn’t kill her because she saved him BUT tells her to stay the eff away from him until the WW show up. Then she might have reason to stay in WF to help Sansa strengthen the North, the frontline of the impending battle.

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    210. mau,

      She will definitely won’t make it to the Wall. No. The Last Hearth or other stronghold loyal to Starks. She could try to make it to Jon, but whe will likely end up elsewhere. Hunters were casted and they will probably go after them. A twhich point Brienne might help them and escort them to nearby friendly castle and not the Wall.

      Ramsay did mentioned Jon to her, but I think it’s more for Ramsay to suspect that she’ll go there. He could send letter threatening Jon that he’ll come for his bride and Reek.

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    211. Wimsey,

      Show!Cat was rolling her eyes with exasperation when she was brushing her hair… Coming from the most supportive character of all for “wedding things” was quite telling… If that was the only time that happened, they cand do something like “oh how naive is she!”, but they did several times with others (manly Ned and Arya). Even in the WF feast, she was publicy mocked (Arya throwing food at her after the Cat/Cersei/Sansa you bled scene…, Robb and Theon laughing).

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    212. Dame Pasty:
      Wimsey,

      No, what I said she will stay in WF and restore it herself or help Rickon do that.I think that would be great either way because she will finally being doing what she wants and helping her family.Although as a modern woman I’m not keen on her helping her little bro become Lord when she is older and more capable but as you frequently point out it’s Westeros, not here, not now.So yes, I think she will find a purpose that way.

      My thoughts too! Somehow, I felt the Rickon/Sansa and the Aegon/Dany were just added plot stones on females path to leadership! It would be disapointing if both characters ended just as wifes and baby machines 🙁 I know that’s how Westeros work, but…)

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    213. Dame Pasty:
      Wimsey,

      No, what I said she will stay in WF and restore it herself or help Rickon do that.I think that would be great either way because she will finally being doing what she wants and helping her family.Although as a modern woman I’m not keen on her helping her little bro become Lord when she is older and more capable but as you frequently point out it’s Westeros, not here, not now.So yes, I think she will find a purpose that way.

      As for supernatural help, I’m not sure what you mean.Jon won’t be in WF long and I don’t see Mel staying in WF without him.I suppose if Jon finds out that she killed Shireen, he doesn’t kill her because she saved him BUT tells her to stay the eff away from him until the WW show up.Then she might have reason to stay in WF to help Sansa strengthen the North, the frontline of the impending battle.

      Bran the tree god.
      I also believe Sansa is an empath, she’s sensitive to others, I think it showed in her room with Sandor, and the unexpected kiss from Baleish and her interaction with the old dog, this is my thinking anyway.

      I think she bonded with her wolf before the others, but could not be totally tied internally because Lady died.

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    214. SlayerNina: My thoughts too! Somehow, I felt the Rickon/Sansa and the Aegon/Dany were just added plot stones on females path to leadership! It would be disapointing if both characters ended just as wifes and baby machines I know that’s how Westeros work, but…)

      I think, in the end should she make it, Sansa will buck all tradition that has been laid out for her. She dreamed of being a Princess, a good match with a nobleman, running her own keep, etc…etc…
      Once the idea was put forth, marry her to Joffrey (the future King), her dream was to be Queen and live in the “big city” (hahaha).
      After everything, the illusion completely shattered and the remaining innocence torn to shit, I think Sansa will turn to helping restore Winterfell, help her remaining family reunite and be counsel to the new “Lord” (I assume Rickon). I think the political maneuvering, even in peaceful times, will be the last thing she is interested in participating in. If she marries, she will do so because she wants to and not because it’s a political match. She will make her own choices for her life, while of course, holding on to keep the North strong, viable and surrounded by loyal subjects.
      I never felt Sansas’ arc was one of becoming a powerful politico. At this point, she doesn’t give a damn. I always envisioned her having the freedom to live the life she wants, which will in turn be completely different than the journey she set out on in the beginning. Or she will join a convent, which could be the best, most satisfying end of any of these characters.

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    215. Hodor’s Bastard: Did you just imply SanSan? Now that’s a hype train I can hop on! Choo-Choo!

      For various reasons, I am sure that will happen in the books.

      The Hound is the only person left alive in the room when Ned was betrayed who would be willing to tell Sansa it was Petyr Baelish who did it.

      Not sure if it will happen on TV due to the age gap – even though Sophie is well into adulthood now, Rory McCann finds the romantic attraction between the characters (and doubtless the attention of some of the more obsessive fans) uncomfortable.

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    216. Kells:
      I never felt Sansas’ arc was one of becoming a powerful politico. At this point, she doesn’t give a damn. I always envisioned her having the freedom to live the life she wants, which will in turn be completely different than the journey she set out on in the beginning. Or she will join a convent, which could be the best, most satisfying end of any of these characters.

      I think her being a septa is a bit of a copout personally, though I can see how you’d feel that way. Sansa starts very religious, but her faith is less of an important part of her life as the series continues. I envisaged her becoming a tough, yet feminine character in the vein of Barbrey Dustin. I do agree that the way the story is going is in the direction of ‘I don’t need no man’. Is it in one of the leaked WoW chapters that she comments exasperatedly on how

      nobody will marry her unless for her claim

      ?

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    217. Dornish Pastie: I am sure that will happen

      Yeah, some fantasize the uncomfortable “beauty and the beast”-like SanSan possibility a bit stronger than I do. As you can tell from my subsequent discussion with Yaga and SlayerNina, I am in favor of a more respectful SanSan follow-up, maybe even bittersweet, one that allows both to benefit and doesn’t succumb to the normal wacky delusion. But is that even possible in this tale? All we do know is that Sandor has moments of clarity and, dare I say, decency when he is with a Stark. We’ll see.

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