[Updated] New photos from Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 8 “No One”

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Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister Credit: Helen Sloan/HBO

HBO has released this week’s batch of photos from Sunday’s new episode of Game of Thrones, titled “No One.” The season’s eighth episode will feature more action at the siege of Riverrun, and a long-promised confrontation in King’s Landing.

Photos (and spoilers) below the cut!

6/9: Updated with more photos!

Official episode synopsis: While Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) weighs his options, Cersei (Lena Headey) answers a request. Tyrion’s (Peter Dinklage) plans bear fruit. Arya (Maisie Williams) faces a new test.

Cersei will finally be choosing violence in episode 8. Will it be directed immediately and fatally at Lancel? Her cousin/former lover/enemy certainly is risking his life by trying to take on Cersei and the Mountain.

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Eugene Simon as Lancel Lannister Credit: Helen Sloan/HBO

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Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson as The Mountain and Lena Headey as Cersei Lannister Credit: Helen Sloan/HBO

Brienne is back in action this week! With a Lannister flag behind her, you’ll note, which suggests that she’s arrived at Riverrun. A tense reunion with Jaime Lannister is overdue.

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Gwendoline Christie as Brienne of Tarth Credit: Helen Sloan/HBO

Tyrion and Varys have been missing as well these last couple weeks. Here we see them strolling the streets of Meereen, looking very much the noblemen this time. Everything looks pleasant and fairly calm, so clearly something terrible is about to happen in this place.

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Conleth Hill as Varys and Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister Credit: Macall B. Polay/HBO

Update: more photos courtesy of Farfarawaysite!

We see that Brienne and Pod have arrived at Riverrun. The inevitable meetup between Jaime and Brienne is one fans have been looking forward to for ages.

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Cersei with her backup (The Mountain and Qyburn) look to be approaching the throne. Will we finally get official news or plans about that trial Cersei has mentioned so often? Going by the marks on the Mountain’s armor, it looks like this takes place after the likely altercation with the Faith Militant.

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Tommen on the throne with uncle Kevan and Grand Maester Pycelle by his side:

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A similar shot of Lancel to one further up, when someone’s choosing violence and someone else will not be having a good day:

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We’re back to Meereen this week, checking in with Missandei, looking rather  serious:

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Another new red priestess on the scene in Meereen this season, played by Melanie Liburd.  Earlier this season, the High Priestess Kinvara agreed to send more of her followers out to preach the word of Daenerys:

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Tyrion and Varys are walking through the square where the priestess is preaching. Is Tyrion not a fan of her words? Between Kinvara, the red priest, and the Volantis priestess last year, it seems as though all the followers of R’hllor have unsettled Tyrion.

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The Waif and her bloody knife, after her attempt on Arya’s life last episode. She doesn’t look confident or smug anymore:

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    1. Really looking forward to the interaction between Jaime and Brienne. Also interested in what will happen in Meereen with Tyrion; I kind of want his plan to backfire. I hope we get Daenerys, Bran, and Jon this episode but I doubt we get all 3.

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    2. There’s not that many photos… 🙂
      I’m wondering… are’nt we getting dany this episode?
      Do they want to hide this part for next week? (so we might expect surprises…?)
      I’m thinking the “You’re in the great game now, and the great game is terrifying” speech from Tyrion is supposed to be for Dany.

      And

      Wasn’t Varys supposed to leave Meereen mid-season or so?

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    3. Can we please get some more Bran before the finale 🙁 come on game of thrones why would you bring benjen back and then ignore that plot for three weeks.

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    4. I can’t wait to see the King’s landing confrontation. Going by what we know so far+ interviews + trailers I think this will be the episode where Cersei’s trial trakes place. However, she doesn’t show up. The high sparrow is so bold as to send his men to take Cersei in her cambiers. That’s when she’ll choose violence imo. And then Tommen will hear of this and confront her about her actions in front of all the court. Also I’m surprisingly curious to find out what is going to happen in Meereen. Is it the sons of the harpies? Dragons? Dany’s return?

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    5. Good 2 see Tyrion in new clothes tbh

      Looking forward to Brienne-Jaimie-Blackfish triangle

      Really looking forward to Ser Robert Strong unleashed

      My guess is Lancel will crack and go back to former self. He’s a bit like Selyse in that he awkwardly lived up to aspiratipnal system, but a hard experience sees them look to recover via trying to project on new one instead of truly dealing with it, in this case they overcompensate by projecting religious doctrine, like Shireen burning smashed the facade, Mountain making mincemeat of FM and seeing them terrifiedcwill do same

      In it’s own way the Hound and Brother Ray were similar, though in this case the Hound “cracking” means sadl6 leaving peacevbehind going chicken crazy on some poor fools ass

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    6. Apparently i need to prepare myself for the worst, Sansa and Jon sitting this one out which is super annoying because it’s the episode leading to battle. Anyway if this is indeed the case then there’s almost zero chance for other storylines to appear in ep 9 – i would be even more disappointed if they do appear – if the North is absent then i’m most excited for Riverrun, fingers crossed for Blackfish leaving for Winterfell.

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    7. These pictures don’t give anything away that we didn’t already expect or know. They must be guarding some gigantic shite going down. I like that Cersei remains so damn smug even though everything she does ends up blowing up in her face.

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    8. Dee,

      Basically. I love Jaime and if they make him some lovesick puppy again, I’m going to lose all respect for him from “Kissed by Fire” to now. I think his story and Theon’s are two of the most important in the series. Coming back from the things they “did” or everyone’s interpretations of their actions shows true strength. I hope they don’t piss away Jaime’s redemption. Brienne or Bust.

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    9. You all realize that the very fact that Cersei has been bragging about the Mountain means he will somehow get neutralized by the High Sparrow, right?

      Some guesses:
      1) Cersei unleashes him in the scenes where the Faith Militant come to talk to her and the Sparrow then urges Tommen to refuse to allow the Mountain to be used

      2) The Sparrow simply says, “We do not recognize Trial by Combat now.”

      3) The Sparrow submits himself as the Faith’s champion and Tommen/the people refuse to allow the combat to take place

      I don’t see how Sandor gets back in time, and Brother Ray’s faith won’t match up with the High Sparrow’s anyway. Forget Cleganebowl.

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    10. Loving Tyrion pic but also in the preview didnt we hear thumping on the roof? If so Mother of TITLES might be home, she could after-all fly there faster than little-finger on his jet pack. I would love to see her land and her and tyrion have a conversation him explaining everything and she simply looks at him and says “Slavery is over” he looks at her and says I made a deal that will do that “She looks at him and says I already took care of it” he looks back and says with what Army and then we hear horns and tyrion goes to the window and there before him is 100,000 Dothraki. “Dany says to him I told you I was going to break the wheel!”

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    11. Dee:
      Cersei is going to fuck shit up.

      And if Jamie is going to be a Lannister and a slave to Cersei – die please.

      Jaime tries to be Tywin for a while, that’s his story!
      I can’t believe that people think he will leave the siege and let blackfish walk with soldiers to go to the North. He is the head of house Lannister now, how can he get his own people to respect him if he can’t win an old man??
      Of course he will try to get in Riverrun, for the same reason Ned took the head of the guy in the first episode. He can’t have people not recognise his authority. The thing is how he will get it… in the books he does it in the smartest way.

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    12. Meereen
      King’s Landing
      Riverrun
      Brotherhood without Banners
      Braavos

      Five confirmed locations only for a 58 minutes episode. Holy shit.

      Can we expect to see

      Shae this week? She’s been spotted on set no?

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    13. I’m afraid Varys is going to die in this episode. He and Tyrion seem to be at the location where Sons of the Harpy butcher people in the trailer. I hope I’m wrong…

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    14. Meereen
      King’s Landing
      Riverrun
      Brotherhood without Banners
      Braavos

      Five confirmed locations only for a 58 minutes episode. Holy shit.

      Can we expect to see

      Shae this week? She’s been spotted on set no?

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    15. I’m gonna predict a King’s Landing massacre of characters in “No One”:

      Lancel
      Uncle Kevan
      Pycelle

      Plus we might see the end of the Waif, Jaqen, Edmure, Grey Worm, Missandei.

      Add in the Brotherhood Baddies starring Lem Lemoncloak might swallow the axe.

      Get a Gravedigger ready.

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    16. I can’t wait for this episode.
      Hope we get lots of Kings Landing.

      This is where it gets good. Cersei is loosing it.

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    17. Megan,

      Can someone seek redemption without actual remorse? Theon feels remorse, Jamie doesn’t. And I don’t mean killing Aerys, I mean pushing an 8 year old to his intended death and willing to kill an 11 year old just because your sister-mistress is asking.

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    18. I seriously doubt the battle for Winterfell is going to take up the whole episode. I feel like you can’t compare this battle to the one in 409 because that battle had giants, mammoths, Thenns, a big ass ice wall and special effects galore. This upcoming battle is just man vs man (+1 giant) and I don’t see how they could use 50+ minutes plus make it entertaining all the way through like they did with 409. Unless there is still a significant amount of build up right before the battle.. idk. What do you think?

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    19. Mustangride,

      OR…

      Dany is so infuriated that Tyrion made a deal that she has him imprisoned in the dragon pit and that is the fade to black for this episode.

      Then… Tyrion comes out riding a dragon.

      Dany becomes the villain. Tyrion flees back to Westeros and decides to head to Westeros. Bran has a vision of the Mad King raping Joanna Lannister and realizing what happened.

      The Song of Ice and Fire is really just a Targaryen Family Feud!

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    20. Maggie,

      Ugh
      I don’t want the blackfish to die – I rather Jamie dies.

      I thought that they would help the North fight… but I guess not. We have LF for that. lol

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    21. worfwworfington:
      You all realize that the very fact that Cersei has been bragging about the Mountain means he will somehow get neutralized by the High Sparrow, right?

      Some guesses:
      1) Cersei unleashes him in the scenes where the Faith Militant come to talk to her and the Sparrow then urges Tommen to refuse to allow the Mountain to be used

      2) The Sparrow simply says, “We do not recognize Trial by Combat now.”

      3) The Sparrow submits himself as the Faith’s champion and Tommen/the people refuse to allow the combat to take place

      I don’t see how Sandor gets back in time, and Brother Ray’s faith won’t match up with the High Sparrow’s anyway. Forget Cleganebowl.

      doesn’t matter because cersei is sure to have a fiery backup plan

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    22. worfwworfington,

      If the HS was aware of what was coming, yes, he could neutralize the Mountain. Enough men swarming him all at once, sooner or later even the undead in armor could be chopped into pieces. But will the HS be aware? If not, the Mountain could wreak a lot of havoc and kiill a lot of people and killing sparrows coming at him one at a time would just belike swatting flies to him.

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    23. Nice images

      A bit OT, but why haven’t they made a bigger deal on Jon getting resurrected. Sansa, Brienne, etc are like “oh you died and now you’re back? great!”

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    24. It doesn’t look like Cleganebowl will happen. The Hounds arc almost has to go through Brienne and/or Arya…IMO

      Sadly Jamie will never get Cersei out of his system…I think he would slit his own throat is she were to be taken out…poor bastard

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    25. antre,

      I remember that sighting of Shae on set, and we assumed it was a hallucination or dream of some kind, but what if “Shae” is a Faceless Man sent to kill Dany (or Tyrion)?

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    26. Darkrobin,

      Yes, but only an idiot would not realize Cersei’s plan. The Mountain has killed at least one peasant just for bragging about Cersei’s walk of shame. And she walks around with him most places, so everyone knows about him.

      Plus, the Sparrow now has Tommen in his grasp and probably other spies. I mean, it doesn’t take a genius to realize Cersei plans on using him in a Trial by Combat.

      I still think he short-circuits it somehow, maybe by coercing/convincing/inspiring Tommen to stand in front of the Mountain and say, “Your king commands you to stop” and then Cersei has to pull him back.

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    27. tfish_66,

      This bothers me too. The resurrection is being treated with about the same amount of gravitas as what to have for dinner. I suppose the best explanation is that after Hardhome, resurrections don’t really phase these people. That wouldn’t really apply to Brienne and Sansa, but they didn’t see it with their own eyes, so I guess it wouldn’t have the same impact when you just ‘hear about it’. But I agree, they moved on from such a seismic event too quickly, with no apparent repercussions or significance, as if it was just a random thing which is already forgotten. Even Melisandre has gone back to being just as depressed as she was before – what’s that all about? Surely raising a guy from the dead would reinvigorate her faith in her God and her powers/mission?

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    28. As a one time Jaime/Brienne ‘maybe’ shipper, I’m looking forward to their meeting. They need to resolve things one way or another. If Jaime is going to continue to profess his undying love for his sister and fight against the Tully’s, then it’s best Brienne see it and just be done with him. She should hurry back North and find her ginger Wildling who looks at her with heart-eyes.

      See ya, Lancel.

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    29. WorfWWorfington,

      i don’t believe that cersei’s waiting game has been a trial by combat with the mountain. i think its been something else entirely….something more fiery.

      as to why cersei brings the mountain and starts wrecking shit, the high sparrow might be trying to punish her in some other way. either way she has very little to lose at this point

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    30. Bob Warren,

      Brienne and Sansa didn’t actually see Jon die or see his body. Brienne actually never met the guy before anyway. It’s hard for them to come to grips with the “He was dead and came back” routine when they didn’t really see him dead.

      I mean, let’s say Blackfish shows up. He’s going to want to dismiss Jon out of hand out of respect for Catelyn. It’s not like, “He was dead and came back!” is going to sway him.

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    31. Maggie,

      I think Blackfish will abandon the castle to go help Sansa. In the trailer, we see a shot of what looks like Brienne sneaking away on a boat during the night. Maybe Blackfish and Brienne sneak off?

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    32. WorfWWorfington,

      I would agree wholeheartedly except perhaps the HS’s hubris and complacency might make him blind to it, or at least the timing of it. He’s won every battle he’s fought. Maybe a little overconfident? As you suggest, he might think (incorrectly) Tommen is a good shield against Cersei. And that may lead to the HS and Tommen’s demise. Or maybe Margaery gets killed and Tommen cannot live with the grief. Don’t know. But if I were betting, I would bet Tommen does not survive this season (and possibly episode 8).

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    33. KaKa,

      I think that could end up being her fallback plan, but Cersei really isn’t very good at this. I think she just assumes the rules are the same and she can just trot the Mountain out again, since it worked with Oberyn and Tyrion.

      And aren’t we still expecting a scene with the Little Birds going stabby-stab on someone? Is that Pycelle/Kevan. Mace? Or, gulp… Oleanna?

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    34. Bob Warren:
      Maggie,

      I think Blackfish will abandon the castle to go help Sansa. In the trailer, we see a shot of what looks like Brienne sneaking away on a boat during the night. Maybe Blackfish and Brienne sneak off?

      My personal opinion, Brienne will leave just with Pod.
      Blackfish is so obsessed with his castle. He is ok with Edmure being treated like shit in front of his own eyes, he will not do anything for Sansa.

      Also spoilers don’t include Blackfish in battle of Bastards

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    35. Bob Warren,

      My thought – too many characters in too few episodes. Although certainly the last episode could have had an additional scene (or two) given that it was only 50 minutes. And how does the conversation go? “I was stabbed to death but the red woman raised me from the dead. ” “Well, that’s nice. I was raped and cut …” “I guess we’ve both had bad years.”?

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    36. Does anyone else think that Arya faked her death? Everyone I’ve talked to so far thinks this is a stupid and implausible theory, but I keep rewatching that scene and it makes the most sense to me. It would be a perfect way of trying to throw the FM off her trail, and would explain why she’s drawing attention to herself. She’s wearing strange clothes, doesn’t have her sword, it just doesn’t make sense unless there’s a twist of some kind. I’ve heard the other theories, e.g. it’s not really Arya, Arya and the Waif are the same person, it’s a dream etc., but those seem even more far-fetched to me than the idea that Arya used a theatrical prop to fake her death. From the trailer, we see her leaping from a building in the next episode, and in the absence of magic there is just no way she recovers so quickly from such a deep wound, no way; no amount of bad writing would allow for that. Is there anyone in Braavos with magic healing powers? I can’t think of anyone, so I keep coming back to looking for the plot twist….what does everyone think? Fake death, dream, Arya=Waif, Jaqu’en=Arya, magical healing, bad writing, something else….?

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    37. worfwworfington,

      i think cersei’s been expecting a trial by combat but hasn’t been genuinely truthful about it. i could see the high sparrow not letting her having a trial by combat and cersei just not caring at all because she plans to torch them all anyways

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    38. Jay Targ,

      I knew there was some leak that indicated a Meereen scene in 6×09
      The episode is 60 minutes long, which already is confirmation enough it won’t only be the battle.
      My guess is the battle will be 45-50 minutes of the entire episode. Especially if we don’t get the north in 6×08.

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    39. Bob Warren,

      There are plenty of possibilities:
      1) Jaqen, pissed at the Waif and still with a soft spot for Arya, heals her. There are probably healing potions there

      2) Always remember that Bravos is one big Mission Impossible movie. There are masks upon masks upon masks. No one is totally for sure who is who

      3) Lady Crane heals her. She gets better.

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    40. Bob Warren:
      Maggie,

      That’s true, but isn’t the same also true for Brienne? It takes a long time to get from Riverrun to Winterfell.

      We don’t know if Brienne is actually going to Winterfell or stops in the road for reasons. 🙂

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    41. HelloThere,

      Yes that’s what I’m thinking as well except I expect the battle to be 40-45 min but that’s minor. I do however wonder what will be going on in Meereen in that episode; I’m guessing it’s Dany arriving (based on some filming spoilers) but I’m not sure

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    42. I don’t understand how people see the incredibly mundane photos and description and assume the North isn’t in the episode.

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    43. We will get North, but maybe not Jon and Sansa.
      Davos has to find that Mel burned Shireen. Everything for the battle is settled there is no reason to have a Jon or Sansa scene.

      What i wait for, is to see the fandom’s reaction to LittleFinger. Brienne got from zero to hero in one episode, the same with Tormund…because they help Starks.
      If i see people being fans of LittleFinger next year…it would be amazing!!

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    44. The Mereenese folk look peaceful – wasn’t there leaks about

      famine and war in Meereen? War can still happen.

      I’m happy to see Cersei looking smug. What have this show done to me?

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    45. RJ,

      season 2 episode 9 took up the entire episode in one location and that had only man vs man (Stannis vs Tyrion). I think it will all be in one location and there will just be lots of scenes with ramsey.

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    46. Jaime dressed as Tywin. I may eventually speculate as the significance of that. In the meantime I will just anticipate how hot Jaime will look in it. Tywin was a seriously sexy older gentleman in those leathers and younger, handsome NCW will look positively gorgeous. And after hearing about Jaime’s undying love for his sister, Brienne should definitely look up Tormund, who looked quiet nice in episode 7.

      On a more serious note, I wonder if the Blackfish will lose or surrender the castle. The trailers showed the Freys celebrating with Lannister soldiers. Maybe he will surrender it after receiving Sansa’s letter and decide to join her under condition that, if Sansa prevails, she would eventually have to help him regain RR.

      Eagerly anticipating violence in KL. I was kind of disappointed it did not happen in episode 6.

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    47. Maggie,

      No amount of “help” from Littlefinger will absolve him of years of scheming and executing the Stark downfall. He’s not Jaime. Or Melisandre. Good deeds and bad deeds need to be treated separately like Stannis says, so those two get forgiven (of sorts), but LF is creating problems then flying in to save the victims and steal the glory.

      The Starks would not have lost the North if Ned did not leave to KL, Ned would not have left if Jon Arryn wasn’t killed, and Littlefinger caused Jon Arryn’s death. That is just one example of LF’s evil schemes.

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    48. WorfWWorfington:
      Darkrobin,

      Yes, but only an idiot would not realize Cersei’s plan. The Mountain has killed at least one peasant just for bragging about Cersei’s walk of shame. And she walks around with him most places, so everyone knows about him.

      Plus, the Sparrow now has Tommen in his grasp and probably other spies. I mean, it doesn’t take a genius to realize Cersei plans on using him in a Trial by Combat.

      WorfWWorfington:
      Darkrobin,

      I still think he short-circuits it somehow, maybe by coercing/convincing/inspiring Tommen to stand in front of the Mountain and say, “Your king commands you to stop” and then Cersei has to pull him back.

      Or he does something so amazingly stupid…and she doesn’t stop the Mountain in time…thus she is responsible for his death.

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    49. Bob Warren,

      Based on:
      1) Maisie walks into the dockside area using the stereotypical Westorosi highborn walk. We’ve never seen Arya walk like that.
      2) Maisie does not have Needle with her even though we say Arya retrieve Needle in previous episode.
      3) Maisie does have bags of money that we never saw Arya obtain.
      4) Maisie speaks in a very haughty tone and demands a cabin. We’ve rarely if ever seen Arya speak that way before or show any concern for her personal comfort.
      5) Maisie tosses the bags of coin out and retrieves them with her right hand. Arya is left-handed.
      I’m 100% convinced that Maisie is not playing Arya in that scene and that the audience was intended to realize that. At least I can’t think of anything else the show makers could have done to tell us that that was not Arya.

      As to who it actually was and why he/she was behaving in this odd way, I think speculation is wide open.

      My personal belief is that it was Jaqen H’gar. But that belief rest heavily on the belief that “face changing” is just the name for magical methods of disguise employed by the Faceless Men and that those methods, at least in the hands of their greatest masters, do encompass the ability to significantly alter someone’s height, weight, and build. Many people believe that face changing is more of a literal descriptor, in which case Jaqen is clearly not a candidate.

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    50. Jay Targ,

      I thought there were rumors from filming

      that there will be a battle for Slavers Bay this season, but it might only involve limited time, something more along the lines of Stannis’s battle for WF. In other words we’d have a battle of ice and one of fire both this season

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    51. aabe:
      Maggie,

      No amount of “help” from Littlefinger will absolve him of years of scheming and executing the Stark downfall. He’s not Jaime.

      I agree but i think the majority of people forget the past seasons and redemption is connected only with Starks. For example Theon is redempted because he helped Sansa this season, Jaime isn’t despite giving the sword to Brienne to find Sansa or saving her life in previous seasons because he didn’t do anything to help Starks this season. (He didn’t do anything bad as well…still)
      It’s not like the books, the biggest part of fandom and press judge based on the last episode. Don’t be surprized if people start to love LittleFinger

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    52. ATrueFool,

      This makes sense. In the books

      when Jaquen turns into the Alchemist and then from the Alchemist to Pate, there is no indication of how much his body changed. But I’m thinking there was magic other than putting on a face like they did with Arya. I cannot recall the actual language, but he would have had to been of a same size and everything with the old Pate in order to pass himself off. Oh,

      and YES I should have known from when Arya originally came to the House of Black and White and the original door person turned into Jacquen. There was more to that than just putting a face on the same person. The whole body type changed. They were different actors of course they changed. I missed that. That has to be it.

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    53. Bob Warren,

      I think Arya is faking her injuries with tricks from Lady Crane. She is leaving a trail of blood for the Waif to follow. The trail will lead to Arya’s hideout where she left Needle. And that will be the end of the Waif! (please?!) Jaqen won’t care because the Waif failed the test. Her face will be the new face on the wall.

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    54. HBO strangely promoting Arya this season. They included what appears to be her in the preview, which was an odd choice given the cliffhanger this week, yet there are no pictures from Braavos here. I hope the late updates this week shed more light.

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    55. Holy SHIT the pic of Brienne has my HYPE off the charts. YOU TELL JAIME – YOU FING TELL HIM WHAT RIGHT, AND JUST, AND HONORABLE LOOKS LIKE YES YES YES

      UNG

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    56. ATrueFool,

      The more and more I think about, the more obvious it WASNT Arya.

      I am just curious how the real Arya plays in to the next phase of this story (and how her exit will occur)?? And how does the possibility of Arya from episode 7 not being the actual Arya tie in to Arya (Maisie Williams) faces a new test.

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    57. Roberta Baratheon,

      OH MAN! THIS JUST OCCURED TO ME!

      What if Arya and Lady Crane worked together to drug or incapacitate the actress who hired the Faceless Men to begin with and put Arya’s face on her?

      Lady Crane throws her out of the troupe and gives her a bag of gold, telling her to get out of town, but the girl doesn’t think she’s in any danger otherwise, leading her to that relatively nonchalant attitude. She’s haughty enough, has money and would stop to admire the Titan of Braavos. She’d even smile at an older lady, thinking it was a fan who recognized her.

      It’s not like there are a million mirrors around the place, so it’s possible she doesn’t know she’s got another face. The whole “get over the bridge and swim away” is just pure survival instinct, not ninja training.

      This means Arya is safely with the troupe. The Bourne-jump we see in the trailer is after the Waif realizes what happened.

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    58. ATrueFool:
      Bob Warren,

      My personal belief is that it was Jaqen H’gar. But that belief rest heavily on the belief that “face changing” is just the name for magical methods of disguise employed by the Faceless Men and that those methods, at least in the hands of their greatest masters, do encompass the ability to significantly alter someone’s height, weight, and build.Many people believe that face changing is more of a literal descriptor, in which case Jaqen is clearly not a candidate.

      I suspect that might be the reason why so much time was spent on this storyline. There must be something Arya, beyond collecting some dead faces and losing identity, takes away from this experience that would significantly factor into the other storylines. All these abilities allow Arya to absorb and stand in for some other stuff that did not make it from the book but maybe integral to the outcome.

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    59. Maggie,

      Theon is redeemed as he has genuinely changed. As he said justice would be him burning at the gates of Winterfell. Part of that redemption was helping Sansa.

      But the old Theon has died. As did the old Jon. And the old Dany. And the old Arya. And the old Sansa (well mostly). And the old Bran. The old LF hasn’t died. Maybe there is remorse. The actor said so. Could he redeem himself for all of his actions? Perhaps in death. But I don’t see that in him. The old Jamie has not died either (on the show).

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    60. There is still a scene with Little Finger meeting someone outside in the snow. Maybe we will get that this week. A meeting between captains of sort

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    61. Dragon Tender,

      The Lannisters!
      Steve Harvey: Tywin, who is here?
      Tywin: Well, this is my son Jaime, and my daughter Cersei, and their son Joffrey and their daughter Myrcella. Their other son, Tommen, is in the audience with my other son’s lover, Shae, who is now my lover!
      Steve Harvey: Uh. yeah. White people.

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    62. Dee,

      Well, could “a new test” be an audition? Could the theater troupe be heading to Westeros? A bit corny, I know. Best I can think of at the moment.

      Also *possible* that Waif catches on at some point and gets back on Arya’s trail leading to the fight that everyone has been anticipating all along. Unlikely, because that would seem to make all the stuff we just saw into a pointless detour, but possible.

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    63. Jay Targ,

      You and me both. It’s time for Dany, Tyrion (and likely Yara and Theon) to blow that popsicle stand. Leave Greyworm and Missendrei there and start the voyage home. I do wonder if Euron might interrupt the voyage though. And on a different thought … wonder if Yara would be attracted to the Dragon Queen 😉

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    64. Did some of you not see the preview and see Tyrion looking up at the ceiling after it thuds (28 seconds in)? That’s gotta be Dany landing with her dragon.

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    65. I want Lancel and a handful of sparrows to be obliterated by the Mountain this episode. But I don’t think he will get to kill the HS, as much as I would love that.

      Also, I don’t have much hope for a Cleganebowl. At least not the way many of us expected initially (including me), at Cersei’s trial by combat.

      Sandor will never be chosen as the Faith Champion, because he doesn’t give a shit about the Faith. He will kill a lot of BwB members though, which is fine with me.

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    66. Wow! Tyrion looking very much the Lord! Calm before the storm. I am sure this picture is seconds away from a Harpy uprising that will have Tyrion scurrying to take cover in his pyramid. When all seem to be lost, there will be a huge ruckus and Drogon will arrive with his Mom. At least I hope so! Time for Tyrion and Daenerys’ story to reconverge in this episode.
      Brienne looks magnificent. She better survive this season…….. I don’t care who else dies in the Riverlands and the Vale, but Brienne and Pod better not be included.

      gamecreator,
      yes, that’s what I think too!

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    67. tfish_66:
      Nice images

      A bit OT, but why haven’t they made a bigger deal on Jon getting resurrected.Sansa, Brienne, etc are like “oh you died and now you’re back? great!”

      yes, its kind of ridicolous, was hoping the whole time that Melisandre would have at least some discussion with jon about the lord of light, but it doesnt look like it will happen now. they treated this whole issue like its just a casual thing.

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    68. ATrueFool,

      I could see the troupe going to Westeros and performing at a Frey celebration. Not sure it will happen but one can hope. What’s better than a little mirth after retaking a castle?

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    69. Kay,

      When all seem to be lost, there will be a huge ruckus and Drogon will arrive with his Mom

      Or Rhaegal and Viserion could save the day, so Tyrion’s plan to free them would pay off.

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    70. Maggie,

      My personal opinion, Brienne will leave just with Pod.
      Blackfish is so obsessed with his castle. He is ok with Edmure being treated like shit in front of his own eyes, he will not do anything for Sansa.

      Totally agree. What Blackfish wants to do is going to be totally counter to what Brienne (and Sansa) want him to do. Brienne doesn’t look particularly enamored with him in that short preview clip, nor does she look especially happy to be inside RR in that clip from the 2nd trailer. This guy is going to disappoint her massively.

      Blackfish is a totally minor character. He’s probably going to die, or he’s going to go missing again until they need to resurface him sometime next season or during Season 8. My money is on dying though.

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    71. “What’s better than a little mirth after retaking a castle?”

      Mirth and blood. Or music and blood. Or all three, concurrent or consecutive. But we can’t do mirth and music without the blood. Blood is compulsory.

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    72. kit_hepburn,

      Or it being unclear what happened. As you said, unless there is a reason for him to reappear, he may disappear again

      as for that matter he did in the books after the siege

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    73. In the promos for season 6 I think I heard or read somewhere that there is going to be

      two large battles in season 6, one is the starks against the boltons and the other has to be the kingslayer vs Blackfish

      Get ready for full throttle action.3…2…TWOW

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    74. Dolorous (N)Edd:

      Also, I don’t have much hope for a Cleganebowl. At least not the way many of us expected initially (including me), at Cersei’s trial by combat.

      Sandor will never be chosen as the Faith Champion, because he doesn’t give a shit about the Faith. He will kill a lot of BwB members though, which is fine with me.

      Agree 100%!
      Cleganebowl will happen, it just won’t have anything to do with Cersei. Well, it will because I think when the dust settles, if the Starks are back to ruling the north in season 7, she will send him north for Sansa Stark.
      In my perfect scenario, Sandor meets up with Arya and heads north to WF. I want another road trip! It’s there that the brothers meet again.

      Of course, since it is what I want, it won’t happen. But damn if I wouldn’t love seeing Arya and Sandor riding up to the gates of Winterfell together sometime in season 7.

      Danny:
      Megan,

      Can someone seek redemption without actual remorse?Theon feels remorse, Jamie doesn’t.And I don’t mean killing Aerys, I mean pushing an 8 year old to his intended death and willing to kill an 11 year old just because your sister-mistress is asking.

      Everything Jaime has done has been worth it to him because it was for Cersei. I don’t think he ever gave a damn about honoring his oath or promise to Catelyn but knew that it mattered to Brienne, so he sent her to find her. If he really cared about making good on his promise, he wouldn’t have waited until after the purple wedding, when Sansa is long gone, to give Brienne the “thumbs up” to rescue her. Plus, I think he knew he had to get Brienne out of Kings Landing. Jaime isn’t without his merits but in the end, and after two seasons of playing puppy to Cersei’s every whim, he does things with one goal in mind – Cersei. He may not know the depths of her deeds but he knows enough, and has participated in enough, to be so far past redemption for me. I just don’t think he cares about anything other than his twin. Admires, respects and aspires to be more like Brienne but he can’t shake Cersei’s hold.

      About the Blackfish, I don’t think he will abandon his castle unless defeated. Not that he doesn’t care about the Starks in Winterfell but this is his home. He will protect it at all costs.

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    75. kells,

      Have you read the books? I’m assuming not, so you can ignore this if you’d like!

      Blackfish escapes the siege in the books. Wondering what the show intends for him.

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    76. kells,

      The major change the show made and not the books was with Myrcella. Book Jaime never showed much interest in fatherhood and certainly never had a kid die in his arms. There could still be a Cersei-Jaime schism, but it will have to be over something pretty big and not just the fact that she boinked Lancel while he was gone.

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    77. kit_hepburn,

      1. In the preview, why would Blackfish take Brienne deep into the castle just to reject her? Doesn’t make sense.
      2. Also, he’s drawing his sword. Not in anger or action. Looks more like a pledge to me. Likely another keep of the faith with the Starks.
      3. Note that Brienne is leaving on a boat while she arrived on a horse. There’s more here than something as simple as her being rejected.

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    78. There were rumours, that crew called the battle of bastards battle of six armies. We have wildlings, stark loayalists, boltons and vale army. What about the other two? Any ideas?

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    79. I would be seriously upset if Cersei loses(or worse , dies – which would be too soon and worst decision regarding such a vital character since the start.) without getting any real revenge. I think even her haters are secretly rooting for her to punish those who have abused her.
      I hope what she does in the “I choose violence” scene is just the starting and the tip of the ice berg. I can’t wait to see what the request is but I am assuming it would be something unreasonable aimed to humiliate her further in regards to her trial. She realizes that its do or die and snaps finally after being cool as a cucumber the entire season.! Let Cersei win again like in season 1! And have they used two different wigs for her? This one looks way better, even though her hair hasn’t grown at all)

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    80. Motherofmadness,

      Hmm, I may be in the minority, but I don’t REALLY feel the need to watch Cersei win.

      The HS and the Sparrows are evil religious zealots, but one side doesn’t have to be good and one side bad. Remember the things they are still gunning for her over, the things they haven’t forgiven – that she committed incest and put her Lannister children, born of incest, on the throne, resulting in the death and suffering of millions. Remember, Cersei and the Lannisters are still responsible for so much of what has happened on this show.

      That you can forget that is a testament to Lena, but I for one can’t wait to see Cersei lose everything and FEEL that she has lost, for all the horrible things she’s done that have accumulated since the first episode of the series (let alone the book)

      After all, everything bad that has happened to her, she’s earned.
      – Joffrey’s death: a vicious horrible child who wasn’t really a legitimate king, whose impulses she never reigned in
      – Myrcella’s death: a sweet girl, but she died because the Lannisters let the Mountain rape Elia Martell and brutalize her children
      – Tommen: if he dies, it will be for a chain of events that started because she encouraged the Faith Militant! She used them to attack the Tyrells! The rats you breed turn on you.

      Don’t forget that Cersei pushed and supported the Faith Militant. Like Littlefinger warned her, these things, they turn on you.

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    81. Nadia:
      kells,

      Have you read the books? I’m assuming not, so you can ignore this if you’d like!

      I don’t think the show is following the same pattern though. Brienne is going to ask him to go north with his army, while the castle is under siege. Unless this is the shortest siege in GoT history, I can’t see him saying “Okay, let them have it” and running away north with his entire crew while the Lannisters/Freys are on his doorstep.

      WorfWWorfington:
      kells,

      The major change the show made and not the books was with Myrcella. Book Jaime never showed much interest in fatherhood and certainly never had a kid die in his arms. There could still be a Cersei-Jaime schism, but it will have to be over something pretty big and not just the fact that she boinked Lancel while he was gone.

      I don’t think Lancel will be alive long enough for Jaime to find out. Not saying that Jaime wasn’t torn-up about Myrcella dying, especially the way she did, but I still didn’t see much interest in Fatherhood from him. Saddened by Myrcella of course, but his interactions with his children was so sparse, I didn’t really feel that he was a doting Dad or even playing a Father-like role.

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    82. I think this is what we gonna have.

      Meeren – 9 minutes
      Kings landing – 10 minutes
      Bravoos – 7 minutes
      Riverrun – 13 minutes
      The hound/bwb – 7 minutes
      North – 9 minutes

      5 plots confirmed. For a 59 minutes episode we for sure will have more plots. Hope the north.

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    83. Motherofmadness,

      Her hair hasn’t grown at all because she has an appointment every 6 weeks for a trim. The worst is trying to grow out your hair from short to long. There is always that awkward phase in between and she probably avoiding it.

      She will kill her enemies. Once she does, it’s time for her to die.

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    84. Motherofmadness,

      To be honest I don’t feel sorry for Cersei. She facilitated the death of her children and whatever abuse she took from the Sparrow. She would have been gloating if that abuse would have fallen upon Margaery. She never felt an ounce of pity for Sansa who was an innocent. The Sparrow is a monster of her own doing, too bad the consequences of her actions will undoubtedly affect others. Too bad for Myrcella and too bad for Tommen but Cersei doesn’t deserve a good ending. I’m fine with the Sparrow and Cersei killing each other, that is if I can’t have Jamie doing the deed himself.

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    85. kells,

      I actually prefer the change of him remaining loyal and in love with Cersei instead of the book dynamic of him starting to lose interest majorly due to his jealousy. Seriously, she’s slept with just one other guy Lancel and he can understand why, so it wouldn’t make sense if they went down the Jaime feeling betrayed theme. Other than that it gives game of thrones a very unique theme that the most important love story between two characters are the twin siblings who shaped the course of the entire series from the end of the pilot episode. Jaime’ is unlike any other man in Westeros, he has his distinct code and doesn’t care about small minds and unimportant people’s opinions about him. Also he has been faithful to only one woman which he is very proud about. So even if they need to create a tragic ending between them I would like if its something more than just him realizing his sister is an evil bitch – remember he knows Cersei better than anyone else since forever and he still chose her and loves her so how can it make sense that he suddenly falls out of love with her on the show? if its going to be a tragic end then it has to involve something more like him having to choose between her and Tyrion or if she is trying to unfairly and brutally kill Tyrion or sth and he has to stop her.. or a less original idea … her burning KL…. I don’t want the show to be hundred percent accurate on fan predictions

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    86. I am fairly certain during his time off screen, Bastard of Bolton is sacking Castle Black and flaying Edd, he’s my bet for being a burning man on a cross unfortunately.

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    87. ATrueFool: But that belief rest heavily on the belief that “face changing” is just the name for magical methods of disguise employed by the Faceless Men and that those methods, at least in the hands of their greatest masters, do encompass the ability to significantly alter someone’s height, weight, and build

      I believe you are talking about glamouring

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    88. Aguero,

      North might not be in this episode but Sophie talked about Sansa and wart srategy. They’ll get a large piece of episode 9.

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    89. kells: Agree 100%!

      Everything Jaime has done has been worth it to him because it was for Cersei. I don’t think he ever gave a damn about honoring his oath or promise to Catelyn but knew that it mattered to Brienne, so he sent her to find her. If he really cared about making good on his promise, he wouldn’t have waited until after the purple wedding, when Sansa is long gone, to give Brienne the “thumbs up” to rescue her. Plus, I think he knew he had to get Brienne out of Kings Landing. Jaime isn’t without his merits but in the end, and after two seasons of playing puppy to Cersei’s every whim, he does things with one goal in mind – Cersei. He may not know the depths of her deeds but he knows enough, and has participated in enough, to be so far past redemption for me. I just don’t think he cares about anything other than his twin. Admires, respects and aspires to be more like Brienne but he can’t shake Cersei’s hold.

      About the Blackfish, I don’t think he will abandon his castle unless defeated. Not that he doesn’t care about the Starks in Winterfell but this is his home. He will protect it at all costs.

      Of course Jaime wanted to honour his oath, he just didn’t know what to do when he found Sansa be Lady Lannister and married to his brother. He loved his brother..he couldn’t take his wife.
      Jaime isn’t Cersei’s puppy in the show as well when it comes to good.
      Cersei asked him to kill Tyrion but he saved him.
      Cersei asked him to kill Sansa but he gave his sword to Brienne and send her to save her.
      I think people are unfair to show Jaime, just because he doesn’t hate Cersei yet….. it doesn’t mean he didn’t change. He just had his daughter die in his arms and found his sister/lover humiliated, i don’t know how he could be a better person if he started crying for Lancel and Moonboy when universe is falling apart. He tried to free Marg and Loras.
      He went to Riverrun, demanded to feed and dress Edmure and offered peace to Blackfish…
      From the trailer, he leaves Brienne to enter and give Sansa’s message
      What else can he do?

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    90. kells,

      Not necessarily true – you can’t see it because we don’t really know where the Riverlands plot is going. If Blackfish isn’t an important character, yeah he’ll probably stay and die in the siege, although there is then there is ZERO reason to show it. Like, for an average show reader, who the hell cares about this old dude coming back and dying the next episode to save his castle? To me there might be other ways to show Jaime character moments than this elaborate scene where this character is reintroduced and dies.

      But if he IS important, and I don’t know why but I feel he could be if the show brought him back and the books have saved him from the RW and the siege, then he’ll live and escape.

      Obviously I am mostly hoping he lives because Clive Russell looks like a badass MFer.

      That’s the fun of this season I guess – we’re not necessarily finding out what GRRM thinks is important, because I think they’ve eliminated a lot of really important plots, but what D&D think is essential to the story they’re choosing to tell.

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    91. Nadia,

      You’re not alone. I’ve never had any sympathy for Cersei, not even during her walk of shame. She has no redeeming qualities and I won’t be sorry if she’s killed off either. That’s not to say I don’t think Lena does a great job. She does, one of the great actresses on the show.

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    92. Danny:
      Motherofmadness,

      To be honest I don’t feel sorry for Cersei.She facilitated the death of her children and whatever abuse she took from the Sparrow.She would have been gloating if that abuse would have fallen upon Margaery. She never felt an ounce of pity for Sansa who was an innocent.The Sparrow is a monster of her own doing, too bad the consequences of her actions will undoubtedly affect others.Too bad for Myrcella and too bad for Tommen but Cersei doesn’t deserve a good ending.I’m fine with the Sparrow and Cersei killing each other, that is if I can’t have Jamie doing the deed himself.

      I agree. Cersei never protected Sansa, Margaery or any other woman from getting abused when she had the power… the opposite.
      I can’t feel sorry for her.

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    93. If I were Blackfish, I would not surrender Riverrun and bring my army to the North.

      If anything, I’m going to ask my grandniece to help me defend The Castle. Riverrun is currently under my control. Why would I surrender something thats already under my control for something that isnt.

      The only way I would surrender RR is me defeated in the battle. I’ll take whats left of my army and go north

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    94. I don’t care whether Cersei deserves sympathy.

      Shes a fabulous and fascinating character to watch on screen, and I enjoy every scene with her… and maybe I get a little perverse pleasure out of seeing her (mindblowingly dumb) evil schemes 🙂

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    95. Motherofmadness: Seriously, she’s slept with just one other guy Lancel and he can understand why, so it wouldn’t make sense if they went down the Jaime feeling betrayed theme.

      She slept with fucking Moonboy for all we know!

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    96. Maggie,

      I still think that Cersei will lose everyone first and be left alone and isolated. Tommen and Jamie will die before her. She might have a hand in Tommen’s death, accidentally, and Jamie will finally cut ties with her before he is killed and she is completely alone. Worse punishment than death for her.

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    97. I am interested the Cersei arc in the next episode. Between the trailers and photos, we’ve seen Cersei in two places

      In the Red Keep, with the mountain and facing off vs Team Lancel. Cersei “chooses violence” and the mountain appears to unleash it.

      At the Sept of Baelor, and what appears to be a trial. Critically, this appears to be after the Red Keep confrontation, as the mountain has a hole in his armor consistent with Lancel’s weapon.

      It seems the logic here is that Team Lancel is sent to bring Cersei alone, but as a show of power, she wipes them out and shows up at the trial with her mountainous security detail. So we clearly aren’t getting a fight between the mountain and the faith’s seven, because he already killed them. That makes it pretty much Loras to champion the faith, or else the faith declares Trial-by-Combat null and void for this particular case. I lean towards the former, because TbC seems very central to the book story here, and Loras showing up as a surprise TbC combatant to foil Cersei’s plans seems a likely occurrence. My guess in this case is that Loras “wins” and inflicts an obviously mortal wound, only to die as the re-animated mountain keeps on going. Cersei then goes mad and the city burns.

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    98. Boston Snow,

      I think Tommen’s death will push her over the edge to potentially burn the city,
      and then Jaime ends up killing her, and potentially himself, resulting in a fucked up version of Romeo and Juliet

      Jaime just has to be the valonqar.. and if this is Martin’s end game, I can’t imagine D&D straying from it.

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    99. HelloThere,

      Could be. I would be fine with that.

      I think Cersei burning the city is what accidentally kills Tommen. That would be extra brutal for her. In the past it, she was only indirectly responsible for her children dying. This time she could be directly responsible. That would make her extra crazy and it would be something that Jamie could never forgive her for. Then maybe he kills her. But I still think he will die first.

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    100. Nadia,

      I can understand how someone could be much more conflicted over show!Cersei than book!Cersei. Also in the books we have access to Cersei’s thoughts. No telling what is going through show!Cersei’s mind in some of those scenes.

      Frankly, based on what’s she’s done so far (provide the impetus for Robert to get himself killed, ignore Joffrey’s abuses, arrange for Ned’s arrest (but not murder), psychologically terroize Sansa, enable Qyburn (who has done nothing close to what his book version does), arrange for the HS and Loras and Margaery, and oh yes Lancel, I can well understand how the punishment might not be regarded as fitting the crime. My guess is that show!Cersei will do things from here on out that might.

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    101. Halfman,
      I posted something for you in the episode titles thread about the person in blue in Braavos thinking that was the best place to catch you, but I’ll repeat it here as well…..

      Just rewatched that scene on an HD tv and there is a striking similarity with you know who. Right build/height and hair and although you only see a bit of their face, very similar profile. I thought it was unlikely based on the photos you posted but now I’m thinking it could well be correct. Which probably means there’s no way in hell it is him! 😉 I seem to remember reading that actor was one of the people originally cast for just one scene who impressed the production team so much their role was expanded (Ramsay’s mate Myranda was another). Only *looks at countdown clock* 4 days 4 hours or so to find out 🙂

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    102. Maggie,

      Yes, that’s the issue. Show!Cersei has done a lot less to earn show!Jamie’s ire than book!Cersei did. Well up to this point. He’s swept up in her “them against us” mentality.

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    103. If my long-held personal theory is ever going to be proven right it will be (or start) in this upcoming episode. I have to say, I’m curious to see if my crackpot theorizing was anywhere even close to the story.

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    104. Bob Warren,

      I believed the same thing — and it makes sense that the only way to keep from having the FM hound you the rest of your life is for them to believe they have already killed you. So the very obvious walking around in broad daylight, no disguise, the very showy purchasing of a passage home in the most obvious way possible, the standing on a high, visible bridge, and the staggering along in plain view in front of mulitple witnesses, all seem like pieces of a “fake your own death” formula. The counterevidence is, of course, those stabs wounds. They did not look fake or minor.

      So maybe there is a twist I am not seeing.

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    105. Lulus Mum,

      Thank you for replying. Sorry that I missed your earlier reply, there’s so much to read and I’m obviously missing some stuff.

      Now you have me intrigued. He is very similar and maybe it’s not just an extra. It’s the clothing which seems out of place and he actually bumped into her as well while walking in the opposite direction to her, before turning around and following her.

      I’ve no idea why they would be in Braavos trailing Ayra though lol. Maybe it’s something of nothing. We will see, as you say.

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    106. Darkrobin,

      Lol yes I think because book Cersei just devolves into complete batshit crazy – and makes the prophecies self-fulfilling – that it becomes a little easier to find her without redeeming qualities. The show is more complex, in part because Lena is phenomenal, but I still don’t totally understand how much sympathy can be garnered for her actions?

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    107. Tommen probably won’t survive this episode. I think what Cersei doesn’t realise is what ZombieGregor will do if Cersei’s loved ones become her enemies as well, like Tommen.

      I’m most looking forward to Lena’s acting. She already played a little bit of mad in her dungeon cell if you recall, but what happens when her (Cersei) last child dies by her own doing?

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    108. ATrueFool,

      also the facial expression when arya said ‘what do you care?’ or what ever she said when asked how she got so much money. simply not an arya expression. maybe a jaqen the box facial expression. although IMO more reminiscence of a syrio forel expression (as were the style of clothes).
      as far as changing the size and shape of a body as well as a face, remember when arya went blind. the waif suddenly change into jaqen and he was rockin’ the waif’s dress. so i guess that can be done.

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    109. TFT: Tommen probably won’t survive this episode.

      I am not clear on the line of succession if Tommen dies. Do you know who would be ruler next? Cersei, Jaime, Margery, or would it be the HS since Tommen just united the crown and the Faith? Thanks

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    110. Making the 8,

      Some say Dany (as the Baratheons are related to the Targaryens) or Jamie (as the Baratheons are also apparently related to the Lannisters somewhere way back when).

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    111. Darkrobin,

      Thanks, that would save Dany a ton of effort battling for the Iron Throne if she was naturally next in line.

      Jamie would be interesting since he sat on the throne in the flashback we saw.

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    112. The truth is the succession is up for grabs if Tommen goes. They could revert to Targarean rule under Dany or Jon, or I suppose if Tywin really was in line it could be Jaime or Kevan. But I think the rule of law /tradition only goes so far.

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    113. I think Blackfish is going to do something with the Vale plot both in the show and in the books. He was set up as a person who lingered in the Vale for many years and earned respect of the local lords. So, I think in the show it may play as follows. will definitely go to Sansa’s aid (also saving Edmure) abably BlaEdmuremanages to get out the best of his men under the cover of the night (he doesn’t trust Kingslayer, so he won’t negotiate for a free exit). Afterwards he may meet with the BwB which was implied to cooperate with him attacking Freys. This way his story might tie up with the one of Sandor who might discover that his community had been attacked not by BwB but by a group pretending to be them (wishful thinking probably but I don’t see BwB spending time on slaying some harmless pacifist when they are busy with the Freys). Together they might plan some big surprice for Freys but Sansa will still be a priority. They will realise that they need more men and Brienne will tell about LF and the army of the Vale. Then Blackfish will go to Royce and/or Robin and take this army under his personal command: he is a legend and close relative of Robin, so that would be natural. Afterwards I don’t know: and Pod may haste to warn and Jon and end up on the crosses after beeing intercepted by Ramsay but there are other alternatives as well: Rickon’s rescue mission, for instance. But the army of the Vale will come it time thanks to Blackfish and that will be a different situation for LF.

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    114. Making the 8: TFT

      If the HS lives he may take his place. I don’t know, either way, I’m pretty excited for a new face on the iron throne! 🙂

      If it’s the HS, it gives Cersei a reason to burn KL, as some have theorized.

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    115. OK jumping ahead some what – what if the Nights king is actually a targaryn and ultimately he ends up on the iron throne???

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    116. Flayed Potatoes:
      Halfman,

      Someone probably helps her with her wounds and gives her some spare clothes.

      Except the filming leaks where the photo came from also have the Waif holding the bloody knife coming down the steps Ayra tumbles down, so how does that work? No time for changing clothes.

      No worries, I’ll just be scratching my head til next episode I think.

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    117. Aguero,

      I think the north will have less, more like 5-6 minutes max, since it will have 40-50 minutes in 9th episode. The Hound can get more love, just like Mereen, whilst Riverrun will be 10-12 minutes or so.

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    118. Halfman,
      No worries, I only posted the first reply about 5 minutes before the one in this thread 🙂 If that is him it just makes the question of what exactly is going on in that Arya sequence even more mysterious than it already is, because of course with this faceless men and people not necessarily being who we think they are thing, that might be someone who only appears to be you know who. I think I’m just going to wait until Sunday rather than try and figure this one out otherwise my tiny brain might melt with all the potential possibilities ?

      Edit: you’re just above me also saying “no worries”. When I was at junior school (I’m from the UK) you had to say “jinx” if someone said the same thing as you at the same time. So…jinx! 🙂

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    119. Inga,

      I would really like if that scenario if that is how it worked out. It makes total sense for the BF to lead the Vale army. Robyn being his nephew and all. BF and LF would be classic. BF ain’t going to stand for that prissy LF running his mouth with all his scheming, but first he has to escape RR

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    120. Making the 8:
      Darkrobin,

      Thanks, that would save Dany a ton of effort battling for the Iron Throne if she was naturally next in line.

      Jamie would be interesting since he sat on the throne in the flashback we saw.

      You know what would make for a “bittersweet” ending? If

      the throne was offered to Dany but she already released a horde of Dothraki on Westeros

      That would be an interesting twist, and her new realm would be jeopordized by her own doing.

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    121. Gd75,

      There was a clip of Tyrion inside the pyramid(I think), looking up toward it’s ceiling like he heard a noise. The only thing I can think of is that Deny has landed on the roof with Drogon. She did ask Daario how many days ride it was to Mereen right before she went to find Drogon in the mountains. She can make the faster on Drogon, no?

      Can’t wait to see.

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    122. Halfman,

      Omg cover your spoilers lol.

      Maybe

      she injures her somewhere else, or someone else dies by accident when the Waif is trying to catch Arya

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    123. I’m not sure if this is a spoiler or not…

      In the books (not sure if it was shown on TV) Tyrion is told they found thousands of jars of wildfyre under the Sept.
      Is that Cersei’s ‘fiery end’ to the HS and the FM?

      I have a feeling E10 will be Bran at the Wall facing the NK and the Walkers – fade to black!
      I’m convinced LF is using the TARDIS to get around the Seven Kingdoms. Maybe he was the first Dr Who…
      Hoping he lends the TARDIS to Brienne & Pod to get back to Winterfell for the battle. Brienne needs to cut Ramsay’s bits off and feed them to him with “turnips and pease”.
      I’m already sad that GoT only has two more seasons (and only 13 eps)
      I’ll mourn this show more than I did SoA.

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    124. I want to know what happens to result in the Lannister / Frey toast at The Twins that we saw in the trailer …I’m guessing things don’t fare well for The Tullys? Or do they…?

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    125. Halfman,

      I’ve given up. Either it was someone else (who has magical powers and just doesn’t put a face from the hall on their own body) or it was Arya and the wound was not as grevous as it appeared.

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    126. Xela,

      Here’s my speculation. RR falls. Either by agreement or suprise attack. Freys retake possession. Freys celebrate (hence the trailer). The Freys may arrange for entertainment. The entertainment may include scenes from the history of Westeros. Wader Frey laughs so much he chokes on his laugher (well figuratively he chokes on poison) and maybe RW II happens (without the wedding). My guess is that Jamie is not present either he’s headed back to Cersei or something else. That’s my hope.

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    127. Moka,

      Or Varys leaves Mereen and inmediately trouble starts. He might be behind the Sons of the Harpy. He and Iliryo Mopantis being friends/in cahoots.

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    128. WorfWWorfington,

      I had thought of other ways that Lady Crane would help her, but not think about helping the sansa actor stand in for her in quite that manner. Very very good..I like it!

      Actually there have been so many possible resolutions to this, I’d love to see them all filmed and shown, just for fun. We are a creative bunch here in the fan web.

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    129. ATrueFool,

      I think the “Arya” we saw was another waif who volunteered for the job in exchange of something, people go to die to the House of Black and White, right? Jaqen, then and acordding to the description that says “Arya gets a new mission”, is forgiven if she adds the WAIF’s face to the hall.

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    130. Maggie: My personal opinion, Brienne will leave just with Pod.
      Blackfish is so obsessed with his castle. He is ok with Edmure being treated like shit in front of his own eyes, he will not do anything for Sansa.

      Agreed. I’m thinking Jamie releases Edmure under condition of him surrendering the castle to spare his men – what the Blackfish wouldn’t do. He is the Lord is he not? And the preview has Jamie talking to Edmure about slaughtering every Tully to get back to his Sis.

      And just as likely, the backstabbing Freys are going to pull another one and attack the surrendered castle. I don’t see Edmure or Blackfish escaping the treachery.

      And that’s just one more reason for their eventual comeuppance ?

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    131. taim,

      yes, its kind of ridicolous, was hoping the whole time that Melisandre would have at least some discussion with jon about the lord of light, but it doesnt look like it will happen now. they treated this whole issue like its just a casual thing.

      It is ridiculous how they just tossed his return under the bus; but actually when he wakes up, she asks him what he saw, and he said ‘nothing, nothing at all’. At face value that could mean there is indeed nothing. It could also mean that he couldn’t see the things he needed toat the time, or he wasn’t allowed to remember what he saw. ….but yeah,I so wish they would have had a few conversations with NW, the Mutineers, others folk about it all. Just not happening I guess

      Tho I do have to say its interesting how many characters are dying in a sense then returning as someone else (someone up post named several). Could be why his isn’t emphasized – all people can change and become someone else, or no one if they choose

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    132. ash: It is ridiculous how they just tossed his return under the bus; but actually when he wakes up, she asks him what he saw, and he said ‘nothing, nothing at all’. At face value that could mean there is indeed nothing.

      Not really. If the answer is “nothing,” then there is nothing to discuss. Again, Spock’s lines to McCoy probably are realistic:

      McCoy: C’mon, Spock, it’s me, McCoy. You really have gone where no man’s gone before. Can’t you tell me what it felt like?
      Spock: It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame-of-reference.
      ….
      McCoy: You mean I have to die to discuss your insights on death?

      After all, until you experience “nothing,” then it’s hard to fathom it. It’s literally and figuratively the compliment of infinity.

      ash: Tho I do have to say its interesting how many characters are dying in a sense then returning as someone else (someone up post named several).

      Yes, there is a definite Phoenix motif to this story: all of the main characters are arising from ashes to which they reduced themselves from their actions in the prior story. But that is also setting up their problems with finding new allies: why it needs to be done, what new problems there are, etc.

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    133. Maggie: He is ok with Edmure being treated like shit in front of his own eyes, he will not do anything for Sansa.

      I doubt that Blackfish is OK with it. He’s just not going to give them the satisfaction of seeing that he is not.

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    134. Maggie,

      I agree, tho the WoS was the one moment that stopped me cold. I was cheering in the book, but seeing Lena (with body double) perform that walk, my heart went out to her, esp as none of the men had to do the same. She would however not minded at all if it happened to Margety

      Otherwise, she brought all this on herself and its so apparent she either doesn’t realize it, or knows but isn’t sorry in the least. I won’t cry if that character dies off.

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    135. Nadia,

      Cersei had a bad feeling about Tyrells and before she caused them any real harm, they killed Joffrey and as soon as Tommen married Margaery she started planning to have Cersei go away to Casterly Rock! So I think her instincts were not wrong about them.

      Even though I don’t think Cersei cares much about the poor but apart from using the Faith to bring down the Tyrells maybe arming them at some level made her feel its a Holy Purpose and she’s doing a good thing. Remember how she pondered about the price for her sins and even HS stated that Gods worked through her. The Faith’s stance on equality is plausible but there is hypocricy there as well. And you are probably right, Lena Headey adds so much to the character that I can’t help feeling bad for Cersei and liking her for who she is.

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    136. Wimsey,

      fter all, until you experience “nothing,” then it’s hard to fathom it. It’s literally and figuratively the compliment of infinity.

      Hee, true, that. Its fun hearing about people who have near death experiences that you expect someone to say something. But John wasn’t just near death or ‘mostly dead’ He was. Thats a whole different ball of wax. (forgot about that scene, thanks for the reminder. Need to rewatch that movie sometime)

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    137. gamecreator:
      kit_hepburn,
      1.In the preview, why would Blackfish take Brienne deep into the castle just to reject her?Doesn’t make sense.
      2.Also, he’s drawing his sword.Not in anger or action.Looks more like a pledge to me.Likely another keep of the faith with the Starks.
      3.Note that Brienne is leaving on a boat while she arrived on a horse.There’s more here than something as simple as her being rejected.

      1. Well, his priorities might lie with the castle itself. He’s probably bound and determine to defend it over his cold, dead body and to hell with everything else. Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t help Pod and Brienne get out safely; it just means he maybe doesn’t feel he’s able to help Sansa at this moment. That would still massively disappoint Brienne.
      2. To be honest with you, I don’t know *what* it looks like. It doesn’t look like a threat, but it doesn’t look like a pledge either. Looks mostly like showing off his really cool sword and that’s about it. But the clip’s too short to know.
      3. See my answer to #1. He can reject her AND send her on her way safely. I didn’t say he’s going to try to murder them; I just said that Brienne isn’t going to be pleased with him either.

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    138. Motherofmadness,

      I love Cersei too, thanks to Lena Headey. Even if she goes mad and kill everyone, I’ll probably still love her. LOL. I can’t help but find her tragic and she’s a great character. They haven’t given Lena enough scenes this year, so hopefully they will come.

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    139. So the only scenes left from the trailer that we haven’t seen are “I choose violence” and Arya jumping off the roof, which are both in the next episode.

      Then clips from Battle of the Bastards.

      And the little birds attacking someone and the Harpies attacking, which are both probably from the finale.

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    140. WorfWWorfington:
      Roberta Baratheon,

      OH MAN! THIS JUST OCCURED TO ME!

      What if Arya and Lady Crane worked together to drug or incapacitate the actress who hired the Faceless Men to begin with and put Arya’s face on her?

      Lady Crane throws her out of the troupe and gives her a bag of gold, telling her to get out of town, but the girl doesn’t think she’s in any danger otherwise, leading her to that relatively nonchalant attitude. She’s haughty enough, has money and would stop to admire the Titan of Braavos. She’d even smile at an older lady, thinking it was a fan who recognized her.

      It’s not like there are a million mirrors around the place, so it’s possible she doesn’t know she’s got another face. The whole “get over the bridge and swim away” is just pure survival instinct, not ninja training.

      This means Arya is safely with the troupe. The Bourne-jump we see in the trailer is after the Waif realizes what happened.

      And how would they get Arya’s face on her? Lady Crane is going to cut her face off? I don’t think it works like that. Arya’s face would have to be added to the Hall first.

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    141. I must admit, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed by the sheer volume of what will/needs to happen in 3 episodes remaining. ?

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    142. Lady Daisy,

      As an aside, IMO SoA jumped the shark with the whole fake pregnancy/miscarriage in Season 6 like The Wire did with the fake mass murderer plot in Season 5.

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    143. Wimsey,

      Exactly that. I agree.

      Rhetorical question to those who think the BF should have done something about Edmure: Would you negotiate with Freys? I think they’ve expressed their views on guest rights and probably all other similar conventions. With the Kingslayer given his and the Lannister (Tywin’s) reputation? Really?

      I believe the whole purpose of the scene (and this was made much more clear in the books) was that the Freys, while great at backstabbing, were awful at normal military operations. In the books, the head Frey general was drunk and with his lady friend all the time. Another was only concerned with getting the castle without any damage to i the only married to Genna Lannister. I can’t remember their names. It was a fiasco. So they threatened to hang Edmure every single day. They trotted him out every day and trotted him back. We were only seeing one day.

      I doubt a song and a trebuchet are involved in the next offer (probably not). It seems that the show may have a different stratagem as Brienne is involved instead of Edmure alone.

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    144. Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but did Nicolaj Coster-Waldau make tweet (or something) a while back, basically confirming he survives this season? Something like saying “see you next year” to his fitness trainer or something?

      If anyone can confirm, I’d like to know this.

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    145. Flayed Potatoes,

      Maybe some pirate ship -the friend of Davos – or some other ship picked him up and he’s been impressed into the pirate life (or on some other sailing vessel). I wonder if book Edric had a future role to play (as it would appear unlikely Gendry would play his book role given BwB sold him out.

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    146. Jack Bauer 24:
      So the only scenes left from the trailer that we haven’t seen are “I choose violence” and Arya jumping off the roof, which are both in the next episode.

      Then clips from Battle of the Bastards.

      And the little birds attacking someone and the Harpies attacking, which are both probably from the finale.

      Littlefinger in the Godswood or wherever. Did we get all of the Sansa explaining what Ramsay did to her? There are lines in some of the trailers that we hear but have not seen delivered. I’m not certain we will. I need to relook to see if that’s all because we sure got a lot more than we thought in the trailers.

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    147. Darkrobin,

      Probably not imo. The only way I can see him returning is if it has something to do with forging swords for the war with the WW.

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    148. Ginevra,

      Oh! There is literally a ton of stuff from the Battle of the Bastards. Flayed Men, Tormund, captured prisoners, marching, arrowing, piled bodies, ….

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    149. Ginevra,

      There’s still that shot of Walder Frey celebrating which we have not seen.

      And these lines:

      Sansa: It’s all I think about. What’s taken from me.

      Tormund: I thought he was the man to lead us through the Long Night, but I was wrong.

      Ramsay: Do you like games, little man?

      These haven’t appeared, but they scream Episode 9 to me.

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    150. Ginevra: Littlefinger in the Godswood or wherever.Did we get all of the Sansa explaining what Ramsay did to her?There are lines in some of the trailers that we hear but have not seen delivered.I’m not certain we will.I need to relook to see if that’s all because we sure got a lot more than we thought in the trailers.

      There’s also one with sad-looking Sansa turning to her left and looking at a man. Some clever guys lightened the photo and it looked like a man with a beard and a man bun. We all know by now who that is. 🙂

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    151. Nothing too exciting this week. I look forward to these pics because usually they reveal things that weren’t shown in the preview. I cant happens usually cant wait to see what happens with Arya, considering the episode title.

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    152. Flayed Potatoes:
      Ginevra,

      There’s still that shot of Walder Frey celebrating which we have not seen.

      And these lines:

      Sansa: It’s all I think about. What’s taken from me.

      Tormund: I thought he was the man to lead us through the Long Night, but I was wrong.

      Ramsay: Do you like games, little man?

      These haven’t appeared, but they scream Episode 9 to me.

      That was the Sansa line I was trying to remember! And I’d forgotten those other lines. We have a ton left.

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    153. Making the 8:
      . I like that Cersei remains so damn smug even though everything she does ends up blowing up in her face.

      Smirking is one of the things Thrones does best. Trouble for Cersei is that the HSparrow smirks with more variation and with a more intense degree of insolence.

      You can play the game of thrones and not die, but he who smirks last wins.

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    154. Thinking back about all of the promotional stuff before the trailers centered around the HoB&W, I’m getting seriously stoked about Sunday’s episode!!! What all did we have?

      *The teaser video with all the top characters, dead and alive, added to the faces.
      *The make-your-own-face-or-some-famous-politician’s-face-appear-in-the-Hall game thingamabob
      *The giant Hall at the premiere, right?
      *The official poster and all those tweets to hype the poster

      Am I missing anything? Oh, the faces were the face of the season, right?

      Wow. “No One” should be our last view ever of the HoB&W, which was an incredible focus for the promotional push. I hope that Arya’s storyline is all I ever dreamed it would be!!! Please let her take some faces or the secret for making the faces with her.

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    155. Gd75,

      I was just wondering the same! Perhaps this is when Varys leaves. Also Tyrion is supposed to hallucinate someone. Or maybe Varys leaves in the finale to “prepare” for Dany to arrive in KL. First she needs to get back and meet with Theon and Yara. Ahh, so little time…

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    156. ATrueFool:
      Dee,

      Could the theater troupe be heading to Westeros?

      I always thought that Arya would return to Westeros with the acting troupe. Just as a play recalled Arya to herself, a play in KL will indict some bad people and cause them to reveal their true crimes, as in Hamlet Act 2 Scene 2. Chaos and retribution will follow.

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    157. Is it possible that some of the lines from the trailer – the ones you just hear but don’t see – are voice overs by the cast?

      The Tormund line would seem to come when Jon was “dead” but we never heard it – I can’t see how it would make sense in Episode 9 or 10, unless Jon is dying again. 😉 We never heard the 3ER line either, and now he’s dead. I think they may just have certain lines recorded to give a tease for the season.

      I’m going to be so so disappointed if the North isn’t in this episode. I’ve convinced myself that it absolutely needs to be in it, because even if episode 9 is a ton of North, it’ll feel like such a bummer if it’s left out. I’ve been holding the faith that it IS a huge season for Jon, as Kit says, but missing 4 episodes doesn’t feel right.

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    158. Darkrobin,

      What if… Arya joins the troupe and kills Frey during the celebration? In an interview (truth/lie game?), Maisie Williams said that she would not be recognized in some of her scenes. In another thread awhile back, someone linked a photo of the guests with an arrow pointing to a face that looked out of place.

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    159. I don’t think Cersei will directly target Lancel for this kill. She still has hope for the Lannister hold on the Crown and for that she needs Kevan for the lack of anyone else.

      Also, if Cersei is playing with wildfire as has been foreshadowed I am guessing this could be the thing that causes Jaime to turn his back on her at last. Wildfire was what led him to Kingslay after all.

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    160. ash:
      taim,

      It is ridiculous how they just tossed his return under the bus; but actually when he wakes up, she asks him what he saw, and he said ‘nothing, nothing at all’.At face value that could mean there is indeed nothing.It could also mean that he couldn’t see the things he needed toat the time, or he wasn’t allowed to remember what he saw.….but yeah,I so wish they would have had a few conversations with NW, the Mutineers, others folk about it all.Just not happening I guess

      Tho I do have to say its interesting how many characters are dying in a sense then returning as someone else (someone up post named several).Could be why his isn’t emphasized – all people can change and become someone else, or no one if they choose

      taim: yes, its kind of ridicolous, was hoping the whole time that Melisandre would have at least some discussion with jon about the lord of light, but it doesnt look like it will happen now. they treated this whole issue like its just a casual thing.

      This is what happens when you expect too much. Right now the focus is getting Rickon and their home back. All that extra shit you want will happen later.

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    161. Isn’t there a relatively simple explanation of what happens to RR and the Blackfish?

      Brienne arrives. Jaime has already promised BF safe passage if he surrenders the castle. Brienne enters the castle to re-negotiate the deal, this time bearing news from North. BF and his men abandon the castle, Jaime keeps his word, and the Frey’s celebrate. BF and his men wind up in the the big battle in E09.

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    162. Ginevra,

      This is a really good point. Was it a convenient marketing tool, or was it a hint. The Faceless Men are still a big mystery and given their powers, this organization could have very very deep roots around the world. Maybe arya blows the lid off of the secrecy this week and we learn more about them. The potential of Arya and Bran’s storylines are still so massive.
      Alter the past. See the future. Become anyone.

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    163. More stills for 608 out at the usual place that posts them. Would feel disrespectful to post a link to another site here so won’t. But they are out there.

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    164. Arya’s Contingency Plan?

      This girl is SMART! Better than any of the Stark kids, she takes care of *herself.* Always ambivalent about becoming a FM, she has been working on Plan B all along, starting with hiding Needle–just in case…

      By now, she has furnished a hideout somewhere in Bravos. During the past few years, she has stashed there: candles and a makeshift table, clothes for diverse purposes, magic water and other potions, cash (begged, stolen, found) and maybe a spare face.

      Jaqen issues an ultimatum (under penalty of Death?). She’s conflicted about it, and she’s in deep doo-doo. After poisoning the rum, she embraces Plan B, saves and warns Lady Crane. Waif and the rival actress exchange meaningful glances. After she retrieves Needle, we next see her in her cozy hideout.

      I really *like* the theory that Jaqen may be impersonating her to test/punish Waif, and I read somewhere that Maisie Williams was directed on walking a certain way. Even so, this scenario might work as well:

      Arya’s best bet is to fake her death and get outta town ASAP. She books a cabin on a ship leaving for Westeros tomorrow. As she leaves this meeting, she takes back her money. So case she misses this chance, she can afford another.

      She relaxes for a moment to behold the Titan Gateway to Home. Suddenly (intentionally?), she is ambushed by Waif–we glimpse W’s “real” face during the attack. W sees lots of A’s blood in the water, figures she is dead and exits.

      This was a real fight with real blood, and Arya is in mortal danger. “What do we say to Death?” (Syrio Forel) “Not today!” She staggers back to her hideout, where she can cure herself overnight and board that ship tomorrow.

      The next morning, she is (almost?) healed. She changes into pants and a blue shirt for her trip. For some reason, she must go to the “upstairs” level (not necessarily to the HB&W–I hope she’s too smart for that!). The Waif spots her, so she jumps “downstairs” to escape.

      In the process, her wound starts to bleed again. She grips it with her left hand and heads to her hideout for medication, leaving a blood smear to lure W into a *dark* trap. Thanks to blindness training, Arya zaps her with Needle.

      Bye-bye, Bravos!

      P.S. Since Arya is left-handed, Williams was taught to use a sword with her left hand (I read this somewhere). For other purposes, she uses her genetic right hand. For example, when she stole Tywin’s message at Harrenhal:

      http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/c/ce/Arya_steals.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=2012

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    165. Halfman,
      Lulus Mum,

      As noted in the other post:
      Re Arya scenes:

      It appears that there is a continuity error if you are talking about the blond guy in the blue outfit who pivots around Arya as he passes her on the street. In the close up he nearly bumps into her and then passes her. Then on the wide shot immediately after he is behind her again walking towards her. Unless this another time loop, it seems like the close up should have followed the wide shot.

      I don’t know who it might be, if that’s who you are referring to although he appears blonde and handsome.

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    166. ATrueFool,

      Regarding the “that’s not Arya” theories, I’m not at all convinced, and I believe it was despite the inconsistencies such as righthandedness, but to support you…

      At first I was like, no way, no how are they going to try and pull that, but then I remembered two key things…

      Glamoring is a powerful magic able to literally transform the physical body drastically, or at least how people perceive it.

      AND
      Evidence in passages in the books suggest the Faceless Men use several techniques for “swapping” faces, including glamor. ““Years of prayer and sacrifice and study are required to work a proper glamor.” – Jaqen to Arya. It’s suggested that some use simple disguises, some are able to don faces, and some are able to use magic to transform their appearance beyond just wearing a dead man/woman’s face.

      These things considered, it is not outside the realm of possibility that this was Mr Kindly-Jaqen Man.

      AND THEN THEY ALL DIED.

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    167. Marlana,

      Exactly that. That’s been the use I can see being made of the acting troupe with Arya as a part of it. Entry into a castle that she might not otherwise be able to gain access to.

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    168. LyannaBanna,

      Exactly my thought. As soon as I heard Walter Frey say that “I will not leave the world until they all choke on that laughter,” I haven’t thought of a better way for him to choke. Maybe a play involving some event that Frey would find amusing. I’d love to hear the Rains of Castamere playing in the background. Probably too much to hope for.

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    169. MoDo,

      Agree.

      in the books, Jacqen transforms into the Alchemist (likely) before he leaves Arya, and then after he (likely) kills Pate, he (likely) transforms into Pate. If so, unless he was an exact replica of Pate, he glamoured into Pate

      so I like your theory

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    170. Bob Warren,

      “Shae” is an illusion or “glamour” of the red priestess (ala Mance Rayder and Rattleshirt) to seduce Tyrion because the “power” that she senses in him. Like Melisandre and Jon Snow.

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    171. Jack Bauer 24: And how would they get Arya’s face on her? Lady Crane is going to cut her face off? I don’t think it works like that. Arya’s face would have to be added to the Hall first.

      Yeah, that’s what I’d like to know. I’ve seen all the speculation that that wasn’t Arya who got knifed. But I’ve not seen any explanation as to how Arya’s face could end up on someone else. I’d think peeling off Arya’s face would result in massive blood loss, trauma, and/or death.

      Nadia:
      Is it possible that some of the lines from the trailer – the ones you just hear but don’t see – are voice overs by the cast?

      I suspect that some of those lines were specifically recorded for the trailers (the 3ER’s) and some lines (Tormund’s) ended up on the cutting room floor. Kind of like Jon’s line, “It’s as if I went to sleep for a year and when I woke up the world’s fallen apart”, from the S4 trailer.

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    172. The episode titles usually refer to different characters and plots. I expect the episode to focus in Arya. But “No one” should also be referring to other characters: Cersei because she has lost power in King’s Landing, maybe Loras because he is forced to abandon his identity as a Tyrell, Sandor who lost his new found life… the Mountain is just a zombie that follows orders …

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    173. Pigeon,

      Thanks for the link … still no sign of the North. I don’t mind as long as the other storylines are interesting …
      Tyrion looks amazing in that blue outfit but he looks like a foreigner…
      I expect we’ll see Varys leave Mereen and return to Westeros to make a deal with Ellaria and maybe Olenna in episode 10.
      The Waif looks really surprise to watch Arya alive … Arya did make a trick somehow or receive help from someone.
      The new Red Priestess has the same necklace …

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    174. Mikes

      I hope the other two are Tully forces headed by the Blackfish and a surprise group headed by Howland Reed. He’s been shown in the past vision and mentioned by the 3ER – it is time for the present day character to appear.

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    175. Mag,

      No problem, I didn’t expect them to be up yet so soon. Yes interesting about the costuming….that pattern seems pretty red priest/ess standard!

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    176. Chad Brick:
      Isn’t there a relatively simple explanation of what happens to RR and the Blackfish?

      Brienne arrives. Jaime has already promised BF safe passage if he surrenders the castle. Brienne enters the castle to re-negotiate the deal, this time bearing news from North. BF and his men abandon the castle, Jaime keeps his word, and the Frey’s celebrate. BF and his men wind up in the the big battle in E09.

      I would agree with you, except for the snippet in the preview of Brienne seemingly leaving furtively at night in that boat down the river, seemingly escaping something. In the scenario you’re describing Brienne would have no reason to escape at night.

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    177. Lulus Mum,
      It would be off-topic, I know, but I’m so busy these days that I have less and less time for WOTW and the wonderful people here – worst time to be busy, I know, but I really need to keep my job 🙂
      What I mean to say while beating around the bush is that I was broken-hearted when I saw the preview with Brienne and Jaime. And your post on another thread gave me hope that maybe, maybe Jaime was not telling Brienne that he loved Cersei! *prays*
      Thanks a million!

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    178. Ginevra: That was the Sansa line I was trying to remember!And I’d forgotten those other lines.We have a ton left.

      Other lines we haven’t heard:
      Bran: “They have no idea, what is going to happen”

      Three Eyed Raven: “We watch, we listen, and we remember.”

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    179. Jamie + Jon. I just got reminded of the season 1 scene they had together and now I really want them to meet again. I’d like Jamie to redeem himself. If L+R=J and he were to find that out he could see Rhaegar’s son as someone he wants to defend. After all, Jamie did feel guilt over not being able to protect R’s other children and the man he looked up to, Dayne, died protecting Jon. Besides I just want to see how the two would interact with each other. They have very different personalities. Jamie tends to ask pointed questions and that could draw Jon out of his shell a bit.

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    180. Many people seemed to think that Jon/Sansa won’t be in this episode because of their absence in the previews… but they didn’t appear in the episode 4 promos as well where they reunited

      Can’t wait for the zombie mountain wreck some sparrows. They’re all over the red keep full of confidence. It would be satisfying to wipe off the high sparrow’s smug grin for once.

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    181. Nadia:
      Is it possible that some of the lines from the trailer – the ones you just hear but don’t see – are voice overs by the cast?

      The Tormund line would seem to come when Jon was “dead” but we never heard it – I can’t see how it would make sense in Episode 9 or 10, unless Jon is dying again. We never heard the 3ER line either, and now he’s dead. I think they may just have certain lines recorded to give a tease for the season.

      I’m going to be so so disappointed if the North isn’t in this episode. I’ve convinced myself that it absolutely needs to be in it, because even if episode 9 is a ton of North, it’ll feel like such a bummer if it’s left out. I’ve been holding the faith that it IS a huge season for Jon, as Kit says, but missing 4 episodes doesn’t feel right.

      I had assumed that line would come up in episode 9. It looks like Tormund is talking about Mance here, to Jon. I am thinking what he says is “I thought he (Mance) was the one to lead us through the Long Night. I was wrong. It is you”
      Regarding the 3ER’s line “We watch, we listen, we remember” , it was not really from the trailer for S6. It was from that promo clip that was released in Dec last year, and that voice-over might have been done for the purpose of that clip only. It might not have been from an actual scene.

      Pigeon,

      Sons emulating their fathers by dressing up like them seems to be a thing this year! Jaime looks good.

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    182. Phoenix_from_Ice,

      Sansa was in the preview for episode 4 and we got lots of photos of castle black so it was clear that jon would appear too.They are not in this episode as much as it pains me to say it

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    183. A little comment to the people who don’t think Sansa seems that bothered by Giants, Jon’s resurrection. Well growing up in the North they would of known all about the stories of Giants and Magic etc.

      The world in which they live has had confirmed Dragons in it, magic is part of the history of where they live. Everyone will now know that Daenarys has 3 Dragons on Essos.

      So Jon, Davos & Tormund relaying the story to Sansa about Jon’s resurrection, with a giant strolling around, then explaining about the Walkers would be a lot of screen time of Sansa saying “Wow, I can’t believe it, maybe you have some kind of destiny or something”. It wouldn’t come across well, and would be quite long. They dealt with that reaction, with Tormund, Wildlings, Edd, Davos and Melisandre’s reaction, Sansa is onboard with it now.

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    184. King Podrick,

      I know what the focus is. But I just think it poor storytelling to just leave that part out. Am I expecting too much? No – probably not as much as others expecting LSH….. 🙂 Just something I’d like to see happen.

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    185. Bob Warren,
      I doubt that there will be any appearance of

      Shae (or another character assuming the looks of Shae). The sightings of Sibel Kekilli on set in costume have been arranged so as to troll fans. If you look carefully at the pictures of autumn 2015 showing her on set, you can see that she isn’t wearing a wig or hair extensions as she used to in character of Shae before, and you can even see that she is wearing her earrings. In a short red carpet interview earlier this year, Sibel Kekilli mentioned that the role of Shae is over – see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p23vRUAw0F0
      Verbally she said (in German) “Shae is as dead as Jon Snow”.

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    186. Will we find out this episode who

      will be on crosses in episode 9

      even at this stage I am not sure and can only guess

      Melisandre and Edd

      as it was reported to be known characters.

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    187. ash,
      Cool! It’s sounds so stupid when you try to explain things like that to other people 😀 Are you from this side of the pond or somewhere else with close ties to the UK? I vaguely imagined you were in North America but I think of that as the default location for most people on here as so many posters are 🙂

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    188. Shy Lady Dragon,
      Hi sweetie *donkey ears waving overdrive* Good to hear from you! I know how much you love Braime but *whispers* if it’s not meant to be imagine the awesomeness that Brimund could be. He clearly thinks she’s marvellous and has done from the second he first saw her. As someone else said it’s the ship we didn’t realise we needed 😀

      Ginevra,
      Not yet no, popular opinion on here is that it’s likely to be

      Varys’s former little birds going stabby-stabby on someone. Maybe Kevan and/or Pycelle to bring them back to the same place as the books?

      Ser Not Appearing in this Series,
      I’m indifferent to whether this particular theory is correct or not, but having seen that person being interviewed on tv yesterday I instantly thought it’s the right profile outline for

      Syrio Forel.

      The whole question of what’s going on in Arya’s story next episode is getting stranger by the minute! ?

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    189. Dee Stark,
      Abort, abort, pull out now Dee, you don’t want to know what that is, believe me! From your friendly neighbourhood looker outer for people who don’t want to be spoiled 😀

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    190. Lulus Mum,

      I thought that profile resembled

      Syrio Forel

      too. I assumed I must be imagining it, good to know you think the same too 🙂 . I am very curious to see how Arya’s arc in Braavos wraps up.

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    191. Lulus Mum,

      I feel exactly the same as you! It is an uncannily similar profile, though I never gave any credence to “that” theory.

      Maybe the writers are just toying with us!

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    192. ghost of winterfell, Ser Not Appearing in this Series,
      I’m not a fantasy fan so the whole faceless men thing doesn’t appeal to me very much and to be honest I’ve found it rather dull so far. However the weirdness of that last Arya scene – including the could that possibly be who we think it is or is it an over used extra, and if it is them why on earth would they be there man in blue – and now that silhouette have left me baffled. Suddenly I want to know exactly what’s going on in Braavos whereas before I wouldn’t have missed it if I never saw it again. I’m glad it’s not just me whose going “huh???” at the moment 😀

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    193. Ser Not Appearing in this Series:
      Picture of the Waif is interesting, who’s behind here? It’s not her shadow.

      http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery8/hires/11.jpg

      You know who I think that is? The blonde dude dressed in blue that some people are referring to that they’ve seen in several background shots, The one who looks like Olyvar! He has the same shape and seems to be wearing the neck ruff too. Either he’s an over-used extra or perhaps there’s a reason we keep seeing him…could this be Arya or J’aqen with another face?

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    194. Dee Stark,
      No you’re fine so far 😀 That picture is only a potential spoiler if you know about something which happened a little while ago in the books but hasn’t yet in the show. It appears they have rearranged events time-wise but are now catching up on themselves. You don’t want to know who it is or what they might be doing so avoid any discussion on that particular shot.

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    195. Dee Stark,

      Tormund could be saying that about Mance, to Jon. “I thought he (Mance) was the one to lead us through the Long Night, I was wrong. It is you”.
      It could be Tormund giving Jon some pep talk before the battle, he definitely needs one 🙂 .

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    196. Dee Stark,

      Probably Mance. We should have some interactions between the characters before Jon goes to war. Maybe Tormund is giving him a pep talk.

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    197. Lancel is annoying.

      Honestly, im excited to see what happens in KL, but I feel bad for poor Tommen 🙁

      It seems like there is a lot going on, we may not see the North. (I am not basing on the lack of pics/preview of the North), just that it seems jam packed with the RR, KL, Bravos, and Mereen stuff.

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    198. Dee Stark,

      I don’t like Lancel either lol and Tommen is an idiot and a weak king. Hell, Lyanna Mormont would make a better king than him, and she is 10 years old and a Lady! She would even make a better queen than Daenerys lol.

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    199. I’ve had this discussion with a few people and I think it makes most sense that there will not be a trial by combat. And the reason is in the tease.

      Why would Cersei “choose violence” if there is a trial? She’s doing this BEFORE the trial. And if she is doing it before the trial, then she is going on a bloodlust.

      And in one of the teasers for this season, earlier in the year, we saw a sad Tommen saying something to the effect of “you always hated her” to his mother.

      Cersei kills ALL her enemies. Including the Queen. Hopefully the Queen of Thorns gets out before it happens.

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    200. worfwworfington,

      As much as I want cleganbowl to happen I think you’re right. Trial by combat will be denied somehow. I could also see them using Loras as their champion if TBC is allowed creating a freaking nightmare for tommen and hyping up more bad blood between cersei and the queen of thorns

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    201. redxgod,

      Hahahahaha, yeah no, that ain’t happening. He’s an actual idiot. And weak for transitioning that easily. I could never see Tommen as a master strategist.

      But if that were to actually happen (which i highly doubt) it would be the biggest mindfuck ever lmao. 😛

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    202. Connor,

      Tommen is not an idiot. I never understood this comment.
      What he did has united the people again, and they love them for it.
      In regards to his mother’s actions after what he did, well based on the conversation they had, she said to him that Marg’s release will be their top priority, and that’s what he did.
      But as a king, he did it right. He avoided having a battle and risking lives. And the people love them. Its not his fault his mother is psychotic.

      He was weak, yes, but he was also a child.

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    203. Nadia: The HS and the Sparrows are evil religious zealots, but one side doesn’t have to be good and one side bad

      What makes them “evil”, other than their homophobia, which in such times was a cultural norm? It is also for the most part a TV addition (as are almost all matters with respect to homosexuality on the show).

      As with Dany’s crucifixions and burnings, I am a bit hesitant to simply slap the “evil” label on someone who is simply acting as a normal member of their culture would in their position. Or more generally, I think it is a mistake to judge the actions of fictional characters via the lens of modern sensibility. Most Americans were strongly homophobic a mere generation ago. Does that make my grandparents evil?

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    204. Ghost Crow:
      worfwworfington,

      As much as I want cleganbowl to happen I think you’re right. Trial by combat will be denied somehow. I could also see them using Loras as their champion if TBC is allowed creating a freaking nightmare for tommen and hyping up more bad blood between cersei and the queen of thorns

      If there is a trial, it will be Loras, as the mountain eliminates Team Lancel before they even leave the Red Keep. If there is a Cleganebowl (and there may well be), it is not as part of Cersei’s trial.

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    205. Chad Brick,

      What makes the HS and his followers different from Ramsey. My biggest bugbear is the fact that they are obviously ‘torturing’ Loras and there other prisoners but this is never seen giving them a veil of being ‘good’ and honorable when they are really no different.

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    206. I cant see what would bring the Hound to KL in three episodes. He has to deal with the stuff where he is, and then move.

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    207. Dee Stark:
      I cant see what would bring the Hound to KL in three episodes. He has to deal with the stuff where he is, and then move.

      And if he were to go anywhere, it would be north. He’s attracted to Stark girls, you know, and Arya is a tad bit harder to find right now than her sister. I see no reason he’d head south at this point.

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    208. Sacred Lime,

      I looked up Syrio Forel images in Google Images, and the only way the silhouette of the guy behind the Waif could even more resemble Syrio is if they hired the Syrio actor…

      I don’t think it’s him, I think the producers are just trolling us now- they brought the Hound back, they brought Cat’s uncle back… so you could think maybe…

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    209. Chad Brick,

      I’d assume he’d be a bit pissed off at Arya…
      But it’s quite possible that if he and Arya met again she’d run up and hug him and start apologizing and he likely would have no idea what to think of that.

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    210. Based on the teasers and pics and potential leaks, I think things will go down like this (part of this is based on information from a proven leak, don’t read this):

      1. The Faith announces some big twist in the trial by combat.
      2. Cersei tells Tommen she doesn’t want him at the trial and somehow convinces him to stay behind.
      3. When Cersei doesn’t show up for her trial, the Faith sends a force to get her.
      4. Cersei chooses violence and kills them all.

      EXTRA SPECIAL DANGEROUS SPOILERS:

      As everyone waits for Cersei in the Sept, she executes her revenge.

      Later, perhaps in episode 10, Tommen grieves for the loss of his wife. Cersei thinks she’s won. He is depressed. She tells him she will find him a younger even more beautiful wife. Tommen says something like “I loved her, mother.” And then Cersei discovers that a prophecy is only true because she made it true.

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    211. aabe:
      “The Starks would not have lost the North if Ned did not leave to KL, Ned would not have left if Jon Arryn wasn’t killed, and Littlefinger caused Jon Arryn’s death. That is just one example of LF’s evil schemes.”

      Worse. LF betrayed Ned and always planned to, both extract revenge for his humiliation by Brandon, to stick it to the lords and most importantly to be by Catelyn’s side once more in some capacity. So it is likely that LF gave Joffrey the idea of killing Ned to assert himself and show all of KL and Westeros who’s boss in the most public manner possible. Maybe LF even bribed Joff to do it by allowing to him to abuse some of LF’s whores. LF is the most complex, multi-dimensional string-pulling villain in the whole saga. Ramsay is an cunning unrepentent sadist, but he’s shallow by comparison.

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    212. Lancel is pretty.

      I’m guessing this might be the last time that pretty mug graces my tv screen.

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    213. redxgod,

      Loras has been abused but nearly as much as Theon was. A big difference I think is that Loras can get out, he can give the HS what he wants and get out- but despite what he told Marg he hasn’t actually broken, he’s still holding out he told Marg he was broken he’d do anything to “make it stop” – but apparently he actually hasn’t yet.

      Theon/Ramsay OTOH- there was nothing Then could do to make it stop- to the HS abuse is a means to an end, to Ramsay the abuse was the end. It makes the HS more Machiavellian whereas Ramsay is just a sick twisted bastard.

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    214. Stark Raven’ Rad: LF betrayed Ned and always planned to

      I’m not sure, yes LF was very jealous of Ned, but the guy he really hated, Ned’s older brother, was long dead. LF was/is very opportunistic- if Robert didn’t die, wasn’t mortally wounded, I have no doubt LF would have sided with Ned when Ned moved against Cersei- if Ned had the sense to go along with Renly’s plan (which was actually a good one) LF quite likely would have sided with them – and betrayed Cersei

      LF was going to be on the winning side no matter how it shook out.

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    215. jpwf,

      Yeah, also to include it in the images, knowing that the fans will instantly pick up on it makes me think it isn’t as well. It’d be so brilliant if it was though… even if it’s just a faceless man with his face.

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    216. Roast,

      I 100% believe this. Tommen intervenes somehow, Mountain tosses him aside, killing him. Ser Pounce ascends to the throne.

      Also think Knights of the Vale show up at winterfell, help save the day, castle is retaken and Sansa has Littlefinger imprisoned or executed by getting Robin to turn on him. Transformation into a player in the game is complete.

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    217. Gretchen Lancour,

      Gretchen Lancour:
      Look at the figure behind the Waif: Syrio Forel?

      They’re in Braavos; Syrio was a Braavosi, and a lot of cultures use fashion as their main way of identifying themselves. I wouldn’t get hype, even if the hairstyle is very similar.

      I mean, how many comebacks can you have?

      Edit: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/syrio-forel-alive-or-dead-game-of-thrones-showrunners-finally-give-definitive-answer-a6983661.html

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    218. Chad Brick,

      But that way of thinking can lead to excuse every human behavior. Couldn’t it? Do we excuse slavery because that was the way it was back in the day? Should we give slavers a pass because the majority of their peers were also participating and profiting from the system? What about the abolitionists? Were they simply an oddity? For everyone you can excuse as being a product of their time (bigots, racists, etc.) there were contemporaries who were not all those things. How do you explain them other than to think they were better people? Maybe I am not enough of a pessimist but to me basic human decency is something we are born with, it is not a modern concept, it’s always been there.

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    219. Looks like Meereen isn’t a ghost town after all. Seriously, where were all the people during the previous Meereen scenes, especially in the first episode?

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    220. Demon Monkey:
      The truth is the succession is up for grabs if Tommen goes. They could revert to Targarean rule under Dany or Jon, or I suppose if Tywin really was in line it could be Jaime or Kevan. But I think the rule of law /tradition only goes so far.

      The Crown would be passed to the next closest in line. For example if edmure were to die childless and since blackfish is to old to have any, Riverrun would pass to Bran Stark.

      The real House Baratheon is extinct, Gendry is not legitimized… If tommen dies, then Queen margery selects the next amel heir in line to succeed. The next living kin to Tommen is his uncle/father Jamie. House Lannister of KL would usurp and finally eliminate “house baratheon” .

      Danny will never rule the 7 kingdoms. House Targaryens fate was sealed when Vyseris died. Jon is a bastard, and even if turns out to be rhaegars legitimiate son, no one will ever know besides bran. The only thing Jon can hope for is Robbs will to make him heir of Winterfell. Jon Stark, lord of winterfell.

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    221. BunBunStark: The new Red Priestess is wearing the ‘Mel choker’ and her dress has the hexagonal design.

      Yikes, the image of Brienne & Pod overlooking the siege of Riverrun is some serious photoshop fail.

      It looks like a painted mural. Lol. Or they’re at the movies!

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    222. Daughter of Winter,

      I don’t believe they are sitting out. They have been in plenty of episodes where they weren’t mentioned in the synopsis nor in the episode trailer. I believe they will be in this episode because the battle is not fully set-up enough.

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    223. Darkrobin:
      WorfWWorfington,

      I would agree wholeheartedly except perhaps the HS’s hubris and complacency might make him blind to it, or at least the timing of it.He’s won every battle he’s fought.Maybe a little overconfident?As you suggest, he might think (incorrectly) Tommen is a good shield against Cersei.And that may lead to the HS and Tommen’s demise.Or maybe Margaery gets killed and Tommen cannot live with the grief.Don’t know.But if I were betting, I would bet Tommen does not survive this season (and possibly episode 8).

      If Tommen does not survive the season/episode, who takes the throne next?

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    224. Megan,

      I don’t understand why people think he is changing again? He has always loved Cersei. He has been pretty open and honest about it. But now you hate him because he is doing his duty as a Lannister? If he didn’t go do it, he would probably be killed for going against the Faith Militant. I like Jamie’s arc into actual leader of men. Yes, it sucks he is with Lannister army (always has been) and it sucks he is going against Blackfish. but remember he did give them a chance to surrender instead of him attacking. Jamie has always been the lovesick puppy. only season he wasn’t was when he went to Dorne (worst subplot in show history). Don’t hate the character completely because he is leading the opposite side of your favorite.

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    225. Melanie Liburd finally! I wonder why they needed to cast yet another person of the Red Order? The High priestess and the Red priest both had significant speaking parts, so how is this priestess different? Unless it’s to show how the religion is becoming prevalent, and perhaps they will take over much of Essos, like The Seven for Westeros.

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    226. Mustangride,

      I thought the thumping noise was a Red Priestess putting fire into a light or making the fire bigger? Guess I didn’t hear a thump of dragon landing on pyramid top.

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    227. Ser Todrik,

      after Tommen there is not a clear cut “next”. Its up for grabs to whoever has the desire (and the army) to take (or keep) it. Right now we know Dany IS going to try and take it and Cersie MAY try and keep it. Hell, the Iron Bank may say its pay up time and take it as payment for all the money that is owed to them. Which might actually be a different type of twist lol.

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    228. Dee,

      I don’t believe the Blackfish will die at all nor Jamie.

      In the books the Blackfish jumps into the river and escapes. We magically see brienne floating down a river in the boat. Also, the camera shots from last episode made a point to show how high up the bridge is to the river. Also, the Blackfish was looking down at the fall. It could happen where Blackfish decides to defend castle instead of head north and brienne is floating off hearing the men the fighting, assuming all Tully’s are dying. But I think he will get away free

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    229. dragonmcmx,

      I think it is to suggest that in the first episode people were more or less hiding in their homes as the threat from the Sons of the Harpys was greater. Since Tyrion negotiated the 7 year plan the violence has dwindled and everyone can come out to play…

      …until the street lights come on, of course.

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    230. Don’t know how much of a spoiler this is but I been thinking about the scene where Walder Frey is toasting. More than likely is after BF surrenders RR. I’m any case I have a strong feeling Arya offs him by poisoning everyone in that room. Its seems more logical for that to be episode 10 but for some reason I think it will be in 8. I don’t know how Arya ends up in westeros but I think she will be in the riverlands. Meaning the stuff with the waif was some crazy plot where someone else was posing as her or something of that nature. It seems far fetched but this show is known for things like that. I feel Arya left as soon as she retrieved needle and high tail out of Braavos. [\spoiler]

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    231. MyLittleHODOR:
      Look at the photo with Waif. The man behind her looks exactly like Syrio Forel.

      Yeah. That silhouette was definitely designed to get us talking. Doesn’t mean that’s who it is of course but I’m pretty sure they put that in there on purpose.

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    232. A comment way earlier about Wun Wun got me thinking. When the J-S-D team was going around looking for support while talking about the true threat of White Walkers and their army they could have brought a frickin’ giant along as a visual aid. For the typical resident of the seven kingdoms giants are just as much a part of legends and stories told to children as the WWs and the Children. They could just be like, “Look, a giant. He’s real. It’s all real and Winter is Coming very soon!”

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    233. Stargaryen,

      I hated is character the whole time. I didn’t buy this whole redemption arc. He less evil than Cercei but he’s still a evil wicked Lannister and should die like all of them. I felt that way since he pushed Brandon out the window. People were like, oh he gets a bad rap for killing the mad king but people don’t know the entire story. Yes but it’s black and white what he did to Bran.

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    234. anon:
      I was under the impression that all the people in the “hall of faces” promo before the series began would come back to life.I can’t identify all who were speaking in it – can anyone else?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmrA8nOZF2Q

      You were? Including the headless ones? It was just marketing material.
      Speaking in order: Ned, Robb, Catelyn, Joffrey, Jon. They show the face of each as they speak.

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    235. Lulus Mum,

      I salute your donkey ears! May they always wear feathers!
      Oh, yes, Brimund was a pleasant surprise and, at least at that moment, I was tempted to prefer that ship – Jaime may hear me admitting it if he keeps on loving and being devoted to Cersei! Unfortunately I’m afraid that Tormund has even fewer chances to survive than Jaime. And it pains me to see that Jaime has forgotten a certain bath scene and how it feels to have your inner good to be awaken.

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    236. Stargaryen,

      Didn’t read your spoiler covered stuff

      But I hope the BF doesn’t die and hope you’re right
      Jamie, as a Lannister who pushed little bran out the window, can die. Unless he repents that by helping Brienne – which I doubt

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    237. Lulus Mum,

      We have traveled throughout the UK many times, but no, we live in the states, the southwest to be exact 🙂 It would be cool to live somewhere else tho! Ive thought about it often during this long election season…

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    238. Wun Too:
      Ginevra,

      Alter the past. See the future. Become anyone.

      Thank you! Bran is the ultimate spymaster – I mean, you cannot get any more intel than being able to see every freaking thing in the world: past, present, and future. But he cannot alter the past: “The past is already written. The ink is already dry.”

      What he can do is see the future and perhaps alter the future, although that may be a closed loop, as well. If so, that really gets us in way deeper philosophically than we should go, and so I won’t go there. Certainly, we are meant to assume that Bran can use this near-omniscience to influence the Great War for the better, to push in the places that need pushing, and to pull in the places that need pulling.

      And my greatest hope for Arya is that she walks away with the secret to making faces now that she already knows how to apply them. Then she could truly become anyone as long as she was willing and able to kill that person first. To me, that opens up every door imaginable. She could kill and become Walder Frey and send all Frey men to the Wall. As Walder Frey, she could then easily kill and become Jaime and send his troops to the Wall. With no more men to lay siege, the Blackfish could send his men to the Wall. As Jaime, she could easily kill and become Cersei and perhaps fulfill the valonqar prophecy. As Cersei, she could kill and become Tommen and send all of the rest of the king’s men to the Wall. As Tommen, she might even be able to send Highgarden men and just about everyone to the Wall.

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    239. Clob,
      My friend said the exact same thing. Why didn’t they use Wun Wun as a visual aid? 🙂

      On new pics
      -This Red Priestess is absolutely beautiful. And is she looking straight at Tyrion? What is up with all this red priestess eye contact he’s had since the bridge in Volantis. What? Stop staring you’re freaking him out. haha

      -Tommen–look at him. Trapped on the throne between Pycelle and Kevan-with High Sparrow in his head. He’s doomed.

      -I so want the shadow behind the Waif to be Syrio, but the gods are not that kind. 🙂

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    240. Dee Stark,

      He was weak, yes, but he was also a child

      Yes. With an overly manipulative mother, who is easily swayed by the HS. Not much else he could do.

      I have often wondered why GRRM decided to make all of his characters so very young. They all make mistakes that are at best illogical and at worst disastrous. There is a reason why children usually aren’t given powers (tho then there is Lady Lyanna!) If they were all as brilliant as she is, none of this would be necessary

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    241. ash,

      yeah, that’s an interesting point

      Lyanna is a special case…

      Lyanna’s scene was a mirror image of bran’s in season 1, except Bran’s was more realistic of how a child would behave hahaha

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    242. OMG so much hype! I’m excited to see what happens this Sunday!

      Totally agree with people
      *There will be a twist by the FM bc Zombie Mountain killed those sparrows (But I don’t think that Cersei will “burn them all” this episode)
      *Arya obviously has a plan! I can’t wait to see the final showdown with the Waif. If that is Syrio Farrell I would be so freaking happy lol.
      *I agree that this new Priestess might use glamour (who knows)
      *I kind of wish that Tyrion releases the dragons from the pit and THAT is the noise he hears. but I’ll be okay if its Dany 🙂
      *I hope the BF and his co. escapes the castle because if Jaime kills anyone I like he will be on my sh*t list again -_-
      *I agree that Tommen is not making it this season, I’ve never liked Cersei and I want to see her lose everything

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    243. BunBunStark: The new Red Priestess is wearing the ‘Mel choker’ and her dress has the hexagonal design.

      http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/priestess-1024×682.jpg

      I love that hexagonal design of the dress matching the choker! Of course, I’m a fan of any geometrical patterns. I also find it awesome how gorgeous all of these Red Women are, especially Kinvara. They must all be using glamor. I’m not sure they are all as old as Mel. I don’t remember the red priests being hot. Were they? Did they not have the magical choker?

      :Googles: OMG! Get Thoros a fucking choker, pronto! http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Game-of-Thrones-Thoros-Red-Priest.jpg

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    244. Maggie: Of course Jaime wanted to honour his oath, he just didn’t know what to do when he found Sansa be Lady Lannister and married to his brother. He loved his brother..he couldn’t take his wife.
      Jaime isn’t Cersei’s puppy in the show as well when it comes to good.
      Cersei asked him to kill Tyrion but he saved him.
      Cersei asked him to kill Sansa but he gave his sword to Brienne and send her to save her.
      I think people are unfair to show Jaime, just because he doesn’t hate Cersei yet….. it doesn’t mean he didn’t change. He just had his daughter die in his arms and found his sister/lover humiliated, i don’t know how he could be a better person if he started crying for Lancel and Moonboy when universe is falling apart. He tried to free Marg and Loras.
      He went to Riverrun, demanded to feed and dress Edmure and offered peace to Blackfish…
      From the trailer, he leaves Brienne to enter and give Sansa’s message
      What else can he do?

      All of this. It’s just the usual if you’re not with the Starks you’re terrible crowd.

      It is annoying that Jaime appears not to know / care about the fact that Cersei got herself into her own mess. But, he probably feels that it’s his duty to help his family and King, especially since Cersei seems to have changed from the “hateful woman” he called her in S4.

      I do think that talking to Brienne will give him a bit of a Jolt, however. He really does respect her, she’s the kind of knight he always wished he could be. Especially if she mentions anything about the impending war against the WW, etc, he may in some way try to help them. Jaime wants to be a hero – he just happens to have been born a Lannister instead.

      By the way, it’s like some people have forgotten that Jaime spent most of a feast for crows

      moping about how Cersei cheated on him and making Snarky comments. Is that really the kind of “redemption” we want??? He finally turned a corner at the end of adwd when he made the choice to ride off with Brienne to go RESCUE SANSA. Heck, maybe that will be the same thing that happens here…

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    245. Ser Todrik,

      It would probably be chaos. If the HS survives (and I don’t think he does) I think he would take the throne on behalf of the faith and appoint another successor. Technically, I’ve seen posts that would support Baratheon relationships to the Targaryens (thus Dany) and the Lannisters (and thus Jamie, or on Jamie’s death Tyrion – now wouldn’t that be the twist to end all twists). I’m sure in the books there may be another distant Baratheon we’ve never heard of but those are the two who have previously appeared on GoT 🙂

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    246. I don’t know if a far reaching guess is considered a spoiler, but I don’t. So… does anyone think that shadow behind the waif looks like Arya’s old dancing friend?

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    247. Beer Island:
      Stargaryen,

      I hated is character the whole time. I didn’t buy this whole redemption arc. He less evil than Cercei but he’s still a evil wicked Lannister and should die like all of them. I felt that way since he pushed Brandon out the window. People were like, oh he gets a bad rap for killing the mad king but people don’t know the entire story. Yes but it’s black and white what he did to Bran.

      No it’s not black and white, what he did to Bran. What were the options in front of Jaime here? If Bran were to speak of what he saw, to anyone, it meant certain death to Cersei, their children and to Jaime himself. Robert would have had them all killed, there is no doubt on that. Maybe he could have tried threatening Bran, but that meant that for the rest of his life he would be looking over his shoulder for the danger, risking the lives of his family on a 10 year old boy’s actions. And how would he even maintain his threat, once he left Winterfell?
      The only non violent option would have been all 5 of them fleeing Westeros, living out their lives in disguise, even in this case they would never be free from danger of course. Obviously this is not something Jaime or Cersei would ever consider doing.

      What Jaime did to Bran was evil yes. But it is not like he had too many options here. At the very least, it is not a black and white situation.

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    248. Really can’t wait to find out what Arya is doing.

      Her scene last week still bothers me.

      Three more days and we will see just what her plan was, besides being a dumbass and letting herself get gutted…

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    249. Dee Stark:
      Ginevra,

      I was looking at that in the trailer shots you posted earlier
      What is that?!?!?!

      It’s a trailer shot. I took the image from this post on the comprehensive breakdown of one of the two big trailers: http://watchersonthewall.com/comprehensive-breakdown-of-the-game-of-thrones-season-6-trailer/.

      I think it is from 1:18 in this video:

      As Lulu’s Mum says, this looks like a rather dangerous scene. You can watch in slo-mo if you click the gear-wheel icon in the lower right of the video, at 0.25 speed.

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    250. Beer Island,

      To add to this, I can’t understand why people equate Theon’s redemption arc to Jamie’s. Not all people will forgive Theon for his betrayal of Robb but with him remorse is apparent, true remorse. Jamie never had decency to feel sorry for what he did to Bran or for being willing to kill Arya at Cersei’s request. Not in the books, not in the show. The times in which Jamie has questioned his actions have always involved how they have affected his persona. Not how it has affected others.

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    251. The man behind the Waif is 100% the lad in blue from Arya’s streetwalk, her theatre viewing, and her parkour leap (the latter one is the less certain). It may seem tinfoily and thus easy to guess he’s an extra but he was the only one breaking the color palette in that street scene and it’s hard to imagine the director or producers being so sloppy with one extra appearing too many times. It is not Syrio Forel as we know him. But more to the point, everything matches the other shots of the lad in blue, especially the outfit’s silhouette (note the scarf and shoulders).

      If he’s a faceless man, he could obviously be “anybody,” but the body we’re seeing there is the lad in blue.

      Though I don’t think that is debatable, it’s also intriguing because there’s nothing save speculation on what it means.

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    252. Danny,

      I understand what you are saying; no we should not give them a pass knowing what we know and being raised in this culture to believe. Yes there were others who were able to believe otherwise (if not, we never would have developed from those times). But those who were able to do so were often ostrasized (sp), exiled, tortured, killed. It wasn’t that others were nec better, they had more stamina, more tolerance of being Other, more strength (emotional and physical) to do what needed to be done at any cost., as well as luck. They went against there religion, government and community to do so. Thank goodness those folk were there, helping us move step by step to a better place now (tho I am under no illusion that is the case for all people in the world, places that still follow those unconsciously evil practices that we should continue to call out) Should we call those who were unable to stand up to the teachings of there culture inherently evil? Yes, but it might be better to say they were simply inherently human, and susceptible to the powers that be. Should they be called out on it? Sure, but its not going to matter much anymore. Should we call out those who still are racist, homophobic, misogonist, etc, of course we should. Thats where we make the change in ur world ….It will be interesting to go to the future in a thousand years to see what our culture will be taken to task for. ….

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    253. Lulus Mum:
      Ginevra,
      Not yet no, popular opinion on here is that it’s likely to be

      That’s what I think, too. I’ve attached the video in a response to Dee, but that video post is awaiting moderation. They don’t like it when you give too many links.

      Dee, if the video releases, be sure to watch at one-quarter speed by clicking the gear-wheel icon near the bottom of the video and selecting a speed of 0.25. And then go to just before 1:18 to see the super-brief scene.

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    254. Lulus Mum,

      would you be able to give a link or at least let me know where you saw this interview? i would dearly love to see it. i did not subscribe to this theory either but since last show it is becoming something to think about.
      the smirk on arys’a face when asked about where she got the money was not one she would make. totally out of character for her. but it would fit in perfectly for the character in question. and the shadow behind the waif also fits that same character.
      i am so curious at this moment. thanks.

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    255. ash,

      Sorry, tried to edit and got cut off

      but to me basic human decency is something we are born with, it is not a modern concept, it’s always been there.

      I totally agree. I hope that as time goes on it will override our other tendenies that aren’t quite so decent.

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    256. Lulus Mum:
      Dee Stark,
      Abort, abort, pull out now Dee,you don’t want to know what that is, believe me! From your friendly neighbourhood looker outer for people who don’t want to be spoiled ?

      I shouted, DON’T LOOK, ETHYL!!!!!! But it was too late.

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    257. redxgod,
      Chad Brick,

      It was the cultural norm for for that time. Having said that, and given the prevalence of homosexuality in the Church and in the Courts in Medievel times, most people in the nobility just looked away. As long as they did not have to deal with an inconvienent truth, they did not. That’s been the position re Renly and Loras up until the revival of the Faith. In the books, where it is not so clear, as neither has POV chapters, Cersei knows but even in her most evil scheming to get rid of Margaery and to separate Loras from Margaery, she doesn’t use that. Instead he volunteers to take Dragonstone and goes all suicidal to do so. So everyone knows, but no one talks about it.

      It’s only when they had a need to find an enemy, either of the State or of the Church, to rally the people against did they take action against it. I’m sure there are many figures that the HS can be drawn from, but Savonarola in Florence is the one that comes most readily to mind, especially as the HS came to power at least in part due to the wordly excesses of the Faith and the forme High Septons. As far as the common people in Medievel times, I don’t know. I’m sure positions varied depending on how the authorities chose to pursue. It was a life fraught with danger as it was until modern times. I believe that Jefferson in a reform of the Virginia law codes was considered enlightened by changing the punishment from death to life imprisionment. So that’s where you were in the late 18th century in America.

      Even in the 1990’s I had friends fired from jobs because of it. I remember on case in Atlanta Georgia where the secretary of a SVP at a very large national bank saw one of my friends at a “gay” gym and he was fired (obtensively for other reasons) within the month. So it wasn’t that long ago that you still had risk attached to being gay.

      Now in the books, I do not believe that the sparrows have yet attacked anyone on the basis of homosexuality. Maybe none of the POVs thought it important enough to consider. They are much more evil IMO on the show. The writers have taken care to push all the right buttons for our 21st century minds. In the books, they deplore the profaning of the High Sept by Ned’s execution on the steps and deplore the Red Wedding.

      And given the evil that book!Cersei has wrought, the Walk of Shame is not as disproportionate as it appears on the show. Yes, they torture, one of the Kettlebacks who Cersei has slept with, discussed entrapping Margaery with, and had kill the former High Septon. And Cersei and Qyburn had done their share of torturing and Cersei had sent several people who disappointed her to Qyburn for experiments (Qyburn is more evil in the books. More of a Nazi Mengele than the eccentric we see on the show). Certainly that would become more militant in TWOW.

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    258. In this photo, the Waif’s knife looks bloody and broken. And it is a different knife from the one she stabbed Arya with in E07.

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    259. Chad Brick,

      On a more personal note, from the 1950’s, my grandfather threatened to throw my uncle out for exhibiting certain tendancies. My grandmother said that if my uncle went, she was going with him. And that was that. So even in that generation you had differing views. A mother’s love for a child can overcome a lot.

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    260. Lulus Mum:
      ghost of winterfell,Ser Not Appearing in this Series,
      I’m not a fantasy fan so the whole faceless men thing doesn’t appeal to me very much and to be honest I’ve found it rather dull so far. However the weirdness of that last Arya scene – including the could that possibly be who we think it is or is it an over used extra, and if it is them why on earth would they be there man in blue – and now that silhouette have left me baffled. Suddenly I want to know exactly what’s going on in Braavos whereas before I wouldn’t have missed it if I never saw it again. I’m glad it’s not just me whose going “huh???” at the moment ?

      I love fantasy! But I fear with Ser Olyvar, you are chasing a bird of the rouge variety. Or, as the Spanish say, rojo. I love how they say it, too. I wish I could trill my Rs as well as my thirteen year-old: I’m so jelly. Perhaps herrings can trill their Rs, even the rojo ones who don masks of blonde and sky blue.

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    261. ghost of winterfell,

      Characters die constantly im the series doing the right thing. It never comes up with Cercei or Jaime. Its always self preservation and control in every decision they make. I have yet to see any self conflict with what they have done and are doing. He is evil, just not as bad when compared to Cercei. He instinctively pushed Bran out the window. He didn’t, go think about it or anything that you’re saying. He just did it. That’s his impulse, their impulse.

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    262. Ginevra,

      Hahahaha! Oh my gawd, my dad and I used to love that song, drove my mom crazy. And we had a streaker that year at my HS graduation. Ahhhh, good times….(for the young and curious, google Ray Stevens The Streak. Listen to some of his other songs from that time (warning, some are very un pc). Hes become rather old and cranky of late but those songs were gems . A forebearer to Weird Al

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    263. The guy who played Syrio Forel was on Thronecast this week, and this is the season of returning characters. So anything is possible ?

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    264. Team Arya:
      The title is No one and there isno pic of Arya!

      Kind of the point, isn’t it? Actually, they should have a people-free picture of the landscape of Braavos. That would be cool.

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    265. Beer Island: Don’t know how much of a spoiler this is but I been thinking about the scene where Walder Frey is toasting. More than likely is after BF surrenders RR. I’m any case I have a strong feeling Arya offs him by poisoning everyone in that room. Its seems more logical for that to be episode 10 but for some reason I think it will be in 8. I don’t know how Arya ends up in westeros but I think she will be in the riverlands. Meaning the stuff with the waif was some crazy plot where someone else was posing as her or something of that nature. It seems far fetched but this show is known for things like that. I feel Arya left as soon as she retrieved needle and high tail out of Braavos. [\spoiler]

      The forgot to put “Arya apparates to Westeros” in the synopsis.

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    266. Dee Stark:
      ash,

      yeah, that’s an interesting point

      Lyanna is a special case…

      Lyanna’s scene was a mirror image of bran’s in season 1, except Bran’s was more realistic of how a child would behave hahaha

      I tend to believe that level of maturity is greatly affected by the level of responsibility given, not just age. In medieval times, teens who we consider children were married and raising children. Tweens were ruling kingdoms. A great deal of maturity depends on how much responsibility the child was raised to take on, and Ned has done a great job with Jon – and Bran. Maege obviously did a great job with Lyanna.

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    267. Beer Island:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Someone doesn’t have to die for their face to be used. Arya’s face was used last season

      Only if that’s the way the show changes it, and I’m not ready to say they are going that way because of one scene in which they wanted to infuse some weird in order to make Arya blind. The book FM are not able to morph into just anyone, they need to use the faces.

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    268. Man the next episode will be so intense The mother of dragons returns to mereen with a huge army and sees how tyrion and varys are doing. Breinne will meet Jaime again in riverrun with negotiating with blackfish to help sansa or plan to stop jaime and the freys. Arya will face a new test and sees an old friend. Either way this will be an epic episode.

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    269. I think we can mostly agree that the Waif’s shadowhunter is not Olyvar nor Olyvar’s doppelganger. Even though Olyvar is kinky, he does not have kinky hair: http://images.askmen.com/720×540/entertainment/better_look/best-chat-up-lines-from-game-of-thrones/10-1461340586.jpg.

      If the shadow really is Syrio, and admittedly that’s a mighty big “if,” then the leaked synopsis of most dubious origin is looking more and more genuine: “Arya is not alone.”

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    270. Clob,

      I (think that I!) agree: Arya hallucinated seeing her face. Nobody died, either. It was just Arya’s fear projecting and guiding the hallucination.

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    271. Beer Island,

      Hmm
      I think that scene with Arya in Mother’s Mercy was some sort of Magic Hallucination or something weird that “Jaquen” has the powers to do…

      I am not so sure that Arya has such ability. A little far fetched in my opinion.

      And as much as we would all love to see Syrio Forel, I really don’t think we will. And if he was killed in KL back in the day by Trant, theres no way his face will be in the HoF because I mean, you need to take the face to have it in inventory. Lol.

      But, that’s not to say that I still find it fishy how Jaquen even ended up a prisoner to begin with in season 2, coincidentally where Arya was.

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    272. I love this fandom. We are one wacky bunch. Honestly, the amount of scrutiny each photo and video gets is nothing short of amazing.

      And either the creators of this show are trolling us (very possible) or that shadow is SYRIO FOREL!

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    273. Beer Island:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Someone doesn’t have to die for their face to be used. Arya’s face was used last season

      And then she went blind when we never saw her take the potion that was meant to make her blind. So the most likely explanation would be that everything from the point where the Waif held Arya’s mouth open until the end of that scene was a vision induced by the blinding potion after Arya took that potion.

      If she didn’t take the potion, how could she be blinded?

      If the Faceless Men don’t need the dead person’s face, first, why do they bother collecting the thousands of faces they have? Why do they bother giving the gift of mercy to those who come to the house to ask for it? Why is it so important for Arya to add a face to the Hall? Why do they go through all of the trouble of cleaning the bodies and removing the faces? Why is half of their work collecting the faces if the faces themselves are completely unnecessary?

      Granted, this could be one giant plot hole that the show has written itself into, but I truly hope not.

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    274. Beer Island,

      Jaime did save Brienne from rape.
      And yes, it was an impulsive action that made Jaime push Bran, but that impulse may be triggered by a desire to protect his people. I am not saying he is selfless of course. He is selfish.
      The reason I find Jaime interesting is because he cannot be classified as either good or bad, my opinion.

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    275. Darkrobin: I’m sure there are many figures that the HS can be drawn

      Really, it’s more of a basic human “type” on which the HS is based, which has risen again and again in human history. He is the “true believer.” With that almost always comes an unreasoning moral absolutism. But there also is a deep conviction that the gods want this person to do things, and that one god or another is putting ideas in the person’s head. As they gain success, they become more and more sure of it: after all, how could someone like the HS have risen so far without the help of gods?

      Insofar as there is “good” and “evil” in these stories, the HS pretty much is the most evil thing we’ve seen! And given GRRM’s background, that ought not surprise us: I’ve never known anybody raised Catholic who did not think that religion organizations like this were not the root of only wrong-doing! 😀

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    276. Danny,

      To me redemption is about what you choose to DO next, after having done something awful. Not how sorry you feel about it.

      Jaime decided he would try to act honorably from now on after the trip south wih Brienne. He’d work to fulfill his oath in the only way he was able (Oathkeeper). He’d protect his son and sister from their enemies (Hugh sparrow confrontations) and do his duty to the King (advising Tommen, trying to remove the Sparrow). He would try to use peaceful means when possible (Riverrun), and rescue those who are unjustly captured (Tyrion, Myrcella, Margaery/Loras). So far those two things havnt come into conflict and if they do again I think he will continue to follow the more heroic choice.

      Theon was tortured a lot, to the point he now feels bad for what he did. How is that Redemption? Theon didn’t have any remorse things went south for him. And his actions so far are basically just others (Sansa, Yara) bullying him into doing something useful. He doesn’t have any desire to live honorably or do good works. He’s just… Broken.

      You’re right of course that they are different but I’ll take Jaimes arc any day.

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    277. I was kinda against the stage acting theory behind Arya getting stabbed because that was a brutal stab that i have a hard time believe could be replicated in a way that would seem believable. But the images of Arya bleeding through the streets and then the one from the trailer with a bloody hand leaving a trail into the darkness makes me think there may in fact be some strategic planning by Arya. Blood sack and pig flesh under her clothes, idk it still seams like a stretch to me, besides these are different clothes than what she got stabbed in.

      http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/GoT75Arya.png

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    278. Jaynee D.,
      Sure, he was on Thronecast which is the programme that accompanies GoT on Sky Atlantic in the UK (we don’t get HBO here). I only skimmed through the show but now I’m going to go back and listen to what he’s saying very carefully. I’ll report back when I’ve had a chance to see it. Sky sometimes put episodes of it on You Tube but not always, it seems to be rather random. This guy has uploaded the previous 4 so he might do this one too? Watch this space…. 🙂

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    279. Wimsey:
      Insofar as there is “good” and “evil” in these stories, the HS pretty much is the most evil thing we’ve seen!And given GRRM’s background, that ought not surprise us: I’ve never known anybody raised Catholic who did not think that religion organizations like this were not the root of only wrong-doing!?

      The HS is evil, yes, but more evil than Joffrey? More evil than Ramsay? You’d rather be Ramsay’s prisoner than the High Sparrow’s? You’d rather have your cock chopped off, your fingers chopped off, and be made to watch the rape of innocent little girls than streak through the streets of King’s Landing?

      And every person you know who was raised Catholic is no longer Catholic?

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    280. Ginevra,

      I tend to believe that level of maturity is greatly affected by the level of responsibility given, not just age. In medieval times, teens who we consider children were married and raising children. Tweens were ruling kingdoms

      That is true. But based on current brain development research, even if they were given the responsibility doesn’t mean they were nec able to make adult decisions.

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    281. Wimsey,

      Thats what I remember as well.

      Beer Island,

      I

      ts one thing to like a character, like some people love in with LF.

      This. In any story, my favorite character is often then one that is not black/white, or one I relate to and want to have an ale with. Its one who fascinates me, has motive and complexity that makes me want to know more about him. Its why I like Theon – I love watching the way he has developed. Jaime, while he had his moments where I saw some of that, not so much. I didn’t think he’d stray far from his own self interest, even tho he has a few times.

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    282. Ginevra: And every person you know who was raised Catholic is no longer Catholic?

      No, I do not know any Catholics. Or perhaps it would be more correct to state that nobody I know well enough that I would know these things about them is Catholic. (Almost nobody I know well is religious: and all of those that are are either Buddhists or cultural Jews.) For example, I’m sure that some of my son’s classmates are in Catholic families, or that some of my neighbors are or stuff like that. From a purely probabilistic perspective, that almost has to be the case.

      The HS is evil, yes, but more evil than Joffrey? More evil than Ramsay? You’d rather be Ramsay’s prisoner than the High Sparrow’s?

      Those are two different questions! Joffery was a sociopath. Ramsay is a psychopath. However, the HS is what he is by choice, or at least that seems to be the case.

      And giving someone the choice between being a prisoner of a sociopath, a psychopath and a religious fanatic is being asked to choose your torturer!

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    283. Lulus Mum,

      thank you so much! now i’m off to search for a viewing of it somewhere/anywhere. living in arizona i don’t get thronecast here. thanks again.

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    284. Ginevra,

      Yeah, I’d take being the High Sparrow’s prisoner over Ramsay’s every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. Not happily – but I’d take it, and it’s not a contest. So far as we have seen, they don’t even do physical torture – whereas Ramsay removes body parts just to get warmed up.

      The High Sparrow has got to go, but he has *some* redeeming qualities. Whereas Ramsay has none. Unless you count being able to lead 20 good men to destroy some food supplies in a snowstorm as a redeeming quality.

      People are bringing too much personal or ideological baggage into all this.

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    285. Wimsey,

      I would say all Starks are on the good side,even though yeah, they all have some weakness which they try to overcome, they are the good guys. The only one who may be a bit difficult to classify is Arya.
      Tyrion and Dany have done some questionable stuff, I agree, even though I would say they are more good than bad.

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    286. Ginevra: I tend to believe that level of maturity is greatly affected by the level of responsibility given, not just age. In medieval times, teens who we consider children were married and raising children.

      Yes, the idea of “adolescence” is a very new one. You were old enough to breed or you were not. (Or you were too old, if you were an older woman.)

      Athelstane: People are bringing too much personal or ideological baggage into all this.

      I don’t think it’s that: it’s more the danger of comparing apples and oranges! One thing that this series does have is a lot of really damaged people (like Ramsay and Joffery) who are literally and figurative “sick.” You probably can count Stannis on that list, too, although I am not sure how one would describe his disorder. (It might be a type of sociopathy: his total lack of empathy would be consistent with that.)

      But you also have Tywin’s and High Sparrow’s who choose to do really awful things because they buy into morality systems that stress that these are good things. But this also one of the things that makes Thrones so different from most “epic” fantasy: “evil” is not a real thing in and of itself, but a label that you use for things that one dislikes. And the people who do some of the worst things do them because they are convinced that they are “right” things to do.

      (The White Walkers are yet a different spin on this: they are an “evil” created to fight another “evil” and to save good things: and I find it really funny that the initial “evil” was humanity!)

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    287. Ginevra,
      …..She’d already been mooned. Flashed her right there in front of the shock absorbers ? tbh I think Throros needs more than a choker and some makeup to look as good as some of the ladies.

      The Olyvar thing is because of this post from Halfman. In case that link only goes the thread rather than HM’s post, look for the one at June 8, 2016 at 6:09 am. We both thought it was very unlikely to be him but now I’ve gone back and watched on an HD tv there is a striking similarity in build, height, hair and that blue top, which is quite different in style to most of the Braavosi men. I have no idea what’s going on there, the more we find out about it the stranger it seems to get!

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    288. ghost of winterfell: I would say all Starks are on the good side,even though yeah, they all have some weakness which they try to overcome, they are the good guys. The only one who may be a bit difficult to classify is Arya.

      There is a difference. The Starks tend to be ethical people, at least insofar as they do not look to profit off of others. But they still can let belief cloud their judgements. Ned provided a good example of that: because of his devotion to primogeniture, he was determined to put Stannis on the throne despite the fact that it had to be obvious that Stannis’ utter “soullessness” (for lack of a better word) would have made him an appallingly awful king.

      But they also get stuck in situations where doing one “right” thing means doing another “wrong” thing. Ned ultimately dies because he’s stuck between “primogeniture!” and “family first!”

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    289. Jaynee D.,
      You’re welcome! Good luck in your search and I’ll bring my laptop home so I can do a transcript if you can’t find it online. I’ll be setting off shortly so may be able to post something later tonight (I think we must be about 7 or so hours ahead of you in AZ? I’m off in search of some dinner now) 😀

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