New “Anatomy of a Scene” features Sansa’s Return to Winterfell

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The new Anatomy of a Scene goes inside episodes five and six covering Sansa’s wedding and return to her once-home, now a castle of horrors, Winterfell.

We’ve gotten some key details from the Game of Thrones gods themselves (David Benioff & D.B. Weiss) and it left us excited for what’s to come of our beloved Sansa!

The video also features cast interviews from Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark), Iwan Rheon (Ramsay Bolton), and Michael McElhatton (Roose Bolton).

On Sansa returning home and marrying into The Boltons:

She can see the logic behind what [Littlefinger’s] saying and realize that this is an unpleasant but probably necessary step in getting back what was taken from her.” – D.B. Weiss

He goes on to say:

She’s going into this dangerous, difficult situation where she thinks
she’s going to guide the situation. The only thing she doesn’t know, that even Littlefinger doesn’t know, is exactly what Ramsay is.”

Executive Producer Frank Doelger: “Sansa is no longer going to be a victim. She has become a Stark in her own right.

The North Remembers:

Sophie: “She’s back at Winterfell, she’s back at her home. And someone calls her Lady Stark and it just kind of triggers something. Okay, this is my home. This is my playground. And it just gives her a bit of hope and determination that she’s going to reclaim what’s hers.”

I think beyond the dangling carrot of being the Wardeness of the North, possibly what’s even more important to her is that sense of control of her own destiny, not to be a puppet, not to be a victim.” – Mark Mylod (director of eps 3 & 4)

She’s not going to accept it anymore, not without fighting for herself a bit. And this is the emergence of the new Sansa.” – Frank Doelger

Some other details covered that may have been missed in the episode include the defacing of the direwolves sigil around Winterfell (in favor of the flayed man) and Theon wearing Robb’s old clothes in the wedding! These small details are what really flesh out the scenes and bring them to life. As Michael McElhatton said:

“It’s very Game of Thrones. Incredibly beautiful, absolutely stunning, with a really, really, dark, dark center.”

For more content, including Iwan Rheon on playing the sick and twisted bastard, Ramsay, check out the video here!

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    1. Why, thank you for the quotes for those of us living outside the US who can’t watch the video! 🙂

      By the way, does anyone know which sets of characters and storylines will feature in episode 7?

      The Wall, of course, with Jon and Tormund leaving as a setup for Hardhome. Will Aemon die this episode? King’s Landing will heat up, though how much? Obviously Olenna will scheme with the High Sparrow and Littlefinger, so she will be involved in Cersei’s downfall, but will this storyline end this episode with her imprisonment? What about Dany? Obviously Tyrion and Jorah arrive at Meereen, and in the promo we see Jorah practicing in that small pit, which matches other promos in which Dany is present at the scene. Will Tyrion meet Dany at last next episode? Will at least Jorah reunite with her? How far is her story going this episode? And Winterfell? Will Roose let out Ramsay (instead of the Freys and Manderlys) to fight Stannis in the snow, or we won’t get that far this episode? Will there be any Arya at all, does anybody know for sure?

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    2. I’m not sure that Dany will be

      reunited with Jorah until he saves her ass in the leaked photos from the pit. I kind of assume that she rejects him to the pits themselves when she hears he’s in Mereen, but meets with Tyrion while visiting a Cock Merchant.

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    3. I’m always amazed and grateful for the amount of attention to detail that takes place on this show. You might not like the Winterfell plot, but you surely can’t deny that they put a lot of attention into the small details, like set/costume design. I certainly can’t think of many shows that would include things like the dire wolf vandalism, Theon’s costume, & the Tully influence with Sansa’s dress. It really is first class.

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    4. Bran: Ow, my legs.
      Jaime: Ow, my hand.
      Ned: Ow, my head.
      Oberyn: Ow, my head.
      Gendry: Ow, my cock.
      Varys: Ow, my cock.
      Theon: Ow, my cock.
      Robb: Ow, my hopes and dreams and everything.
      Jojen: Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow–BOOM!
      Sansa: Ow, my–
      Perpetually Offended: To your rescue, m’lady!

      The hypocrisy is real in this fandom

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    5. Pigeon,

      I meant reunited in the literal sense of seeing each other again, not necessarily happily reunited. I agree she won’t accept him in her service until after the big event in episode nine.

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    6. That quote by director Mylod (who didn’t direct the last two episodes) is full of hope but can be deemed hypocritical given the final moments of ep6. I would like to have heard/read from director Podeswa.

      As you point out, the fucking Boltons have defaced the Stark sigil around WF. I fear for the crypts and their multi-millenia of energy and souls. In the books, the crypts are patiently waiting for another Stark presence to bolster, suffering the fools who have invaded it. I hope the premature presence of Sansa back in WF will ignite the heart tree and crypts with the memory of who really rules WF!

      Oh…and I’m still pissed that

      Reek did not hear “Theon” whispered from within the godswood. That lack of spiritual and weirnet presence in the show is quite disappointing. Grrrrrr.

      3rd-party quotes are fine, but I like your analysis better.

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    7. Hodor’s Bastard,

      The Theon weirwood moment may still come to pass. You know the show likes to mix up these moments, especially this season; no single chapter has been wholly adapted from beginning to end. It’s all mixed up. They may want to save that moment for next episode or whenever Reek becomes Theon again. Or they may not do it at all; but if they do, there’s no reason to worry just because it didn’t happen exactly when it did in the books, just after the wedding. That moment was all about Sansa, contrary to the books; having Theon have that revelation just between Sansa’s moment in the wedding and Sansa’s horrible moment in the bedding wouldn’t really have made much sense in the show.

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    8. Hodor’s Bastard,

      Do you think it would’ve fit in that moment? If anything, it would have made that whole series of scenes more about Theon instead of Sansa, which has been a criticism already. Jeyne wasn’t a main character or a POV, and we saw everything through Reek in the books; but in the show Sansa is there, so the scene is (mostly) about Sansa. Having that amazing moment for Theon sandwiched between those Sansa moments would undercut itself and also the following Sansa scene, I think. Theon can have his quiet moment in the godswood after Sansa (presumably, according to the promo) approaches him to let him into the plot to undermine the Boltons and/or escape —which, remember, is what also happens in the books; he hears his names a few times in the godswood, and the second time is after he’s let into the spearwives’ very similar plot to help Jeyne. I don’t think this is just optimism; it really wouldn’t have made sense to include that scene in episode six. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that I’d rather the scene be cut than wasted in-between that series of scenes, which were all about Sansa.

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    9. Luka Nieto,

      i thought Dany is not going to appear in this episode …the shot you are speaking where dany sees jorah fighting will be in episode 8 i think

      but what confirmed Dany will be in this episode is From the recapped.com spoilers …it looks like we will be having that all rulere are either butcher or meet talk with darrio this episode

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    10. Luka Nieto,

      Ok…bear with me…this was my hope…

      The marriage took place in the godswood near the great Winterfell heart tree. That means someone was watching and listening….someone who would have been GREATLY AFFECTED BY THIS FARCE! Immediately after the ceremony, I would have hoped Theon/Reek would have lingered in confusion in the godswood….and then hears his real name in the wind. But before he can react, Roose calls him to join the bedding ceremony….but he does look back, possibly recognizing the voice. Then the atrocity happens to Sansa….

      That would have injected a bizarre mystique into that horrible situation and it would have shown some damn respect to canon and Bran’s mystical missing storyline.

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    11. Bloody Ramsay in the video!!

      The background also looks like the camp that’s burning in the trailer. Stannis vs Ramsay confirmed.

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    12. Luka Nieto,

      i think she will not be able to identify jorah because slavers or hizdar will make him wear that helmet …

      and she will not know its jorah until the moment in daznak pit in the middle of jorah fighing accidently his helmet removed …and iam thinking that Dany will order them to stop fighting but will not be stopped ..

      see this is a problem in the show we have seen her mention and think about Jorah in the books …the show has hardly even addressed dany mentioning Jorah after his exile …

      we had the scene where jorah was mentioned by dany to ser barristan in the Day in the life promo but that scene seems to cut from the episode …

      tyrion will be either claimed as gift by dany herself like she did with missandei because she will see tyrion in the small pit and oppose letting him fight …

      or yezzan will present him as a gift to hizdar

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    13. dragonbringer,

      Dany has to meet Tyrion soon, going by the leaked images and the “Wheel” speech, which only makes sense if delivered to a Westerosi high-born she has just met —that is, Tyrion.

      I wonder if we’ll get this exciting and long-awaited meeting (especially long-awaited for book readers, who got robbed of it in ADWD) and the Wheel speech this episode or if it won’t happen yet.

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    14. The gap between what the writers and directors seem to think they’re showing and what they’re actually showing is vast in this plotline.

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    15. Luka Nieto,

      well i do believe that the speech is given to Tyrion but i think it will be in episode 8 or 9 ..

      yes its been long awaited but i have a bad feeling about this …i have a problem with how they are showing dany and tyrion in this season and last episode made me annoyed as well ..

      iam waiting for this speech to see how it has done before start go ranting about it …if at the end of the season they had made sure that dany is not the mad queen and she is worth fighting for by tyrion i am fine with their changes in earlier episodes …but this trend continues and saint tyrion comes and clears all the problems of dany then iam sure will be ranting

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    16. So, which is the show in which Sansa Stark will no longer be a victim and will fight to regain what was taken from her?

      Because it’s clearly not Game of Thrones. If HBO wants to do a horror version of Sleeping Beauty, don’t sell it as Count of Montecristo

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    17. dragonbringer,

      And no one will care . Also what exactly doesn’t make sense in the Tyrion and Dany context, we know he is more experienced than her and of course when he arrives there and if Dany takes him into her group the things will get much better,it seems some book purist are so poor sighted and lazy with their bitching and moaning that they don’t even explain properly what they are bitching about .

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    18. juan,

      As far as i know the season hasn’t ended yet and i think they talked about her general arc the whole season but hey let’s just put more fire on that discussion because it’s not like it hasn’t been talked ad nauseam on the past 10 articles or so,ugh !

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    19. urangutan21,

      apparantly you cared

      i said i will wait wand see how they are going to go portray them ..didnt i
      i am by no means a book purist

      he has experience and he will be helpful to dany i have no doubt about it ..

      but my complaint is more about not showing the human and gentle side of dany for the last two season while making everyone around her sympathetic ..

      i mean people are comparing Hizdar to Sansa and Dany to Ramsay …which should tell you how much the dynamics of the characters are changed …

      but like i said i will wait and see how it all ends this season ..

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    20. Wow…is it possible to have one thread without posters insulting each other. We can disagree without insults. It’s getting tiresome. This forum is better than this.

      dragonbringer,

      No one has confirmed or denied that title, as far as I can tell. It would be a great title.

      Luka Nieto,

      I’m with you on this one. I think it has to come in a separate moment…Theon’s moment.

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    21. mariamb,

      yeah it would be good Title

      i cant wait for the synopsis of episode 9 and ten which will give us some idea about how they are going to end …

      which is being hyped as hell by the cast members

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    22. Greenjones,

      The follow-up to all of this is critical. Hopefully the next episode will provide some insight into the grand plan. A lot of characters and a lot of story lines are converging on WF. I am concerned that someone – or something – is going to get shorted.

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    23. juan: So, which is the show in which Sansa Stark will no longer be a victim and will fight to regain what was taken from her?

      X-Men: Apocalypse

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    24. He (Weiss) goes on to say:

      “She’s going into this dangerous, difficult situation where she thinks
      she’s going to guide the situation. The only thing she doesn’t know, that even Littlefinger doesn’t know, is exactly what Ramsay is.”

      Cogman said the same thing. The fact that TV-LF did not know what a monster Ramsay was is very important, as it implies that he still thinks she is his pawn, when in all likelyhood she now despises him. This miscalculation will be his undoing, in my opinion.

      What could be its replacement in the books, as obviously Sansa being raped by Ramsay is not going to happen? I don’t think being raped by Harry would be the same, as Sansa’s intentions towards him are much more of her own free will and not something shoved upon her by Uncle Petyr. Is there something else out there that could flip Sansa against LF? I believe there is. Someone out there both knows about LF’s betrayal of Ned, has some level of affection for Sansa, and is not dead yet. I’ll let you figure out who on your own.

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    25. Greenjones:
      They’re talking about her mentality. Obviously terrible things are still happening to her but as Sophie said endlessly while promoting this season, she’s going to react to them in a very different way. Wait for it’s follow-up, folks, before you call the scene unnecessary.

      Also this. (I’m sure it’s already been linked but it’s VERY pertinent).

      I hadn’t seen this article – thank you! It is pretty much everything I’ve tried to point out but in a much more well written way.

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    26. Chad Brick:
      Cogman said the same thing. The fact that TV-LF did not know what a monster Ramsay was is very important, as it implies that he still thinks she is his pawn, when in all likelyhood she now despises him. This miscalculation will be his undoing, in my opinion.

      I’ve seen some people make this argument, but I really don’t see how that makes sense. LF made a mistake, but it was (bizarrely enough) an honest one, and the show evidently wants us to believe he was being genuine when he sold her on this plan and offered her a choice (even though that’s ridiculous when you look at the context). That Sansa’s break with LF would be completely unrelated to any of his actual crimes against her and her family is dubious, and I don’t see any reason why she would come out of this despising him, unless she believes he knowingly threw her to the wolves, which the writers say he didn’t.

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    27. Sean C.,

      I thought it seemed obvious that Littlefinger was willing to throw Sansa to the wolves in the latest episode if it served his purpose. His revelation to Cersei HAS endangered Sansa’s life more, even if he still intends to fully betray Cersei when he moves north with his Vale forces. He set up the marriage alliance, after all, regardless of what he knew about Ramsay’s true nature. He’d always intended to play all parties against each other, which also involved making Sansa look even more traitorous for marrying into the Bolton family.

      Does anyone doubt any-more that her best interests come firmly second to his own?

      Sansa doesn’t know what he did in Kings Landing, but I do think she has a right to feel as though he played her, totally sold her a bill of goods with regard to how ready she was to take on the Boltons. He just left her there alone. It wasn’t necessarily his fault in those cases, but it does look bad from her perspective. If she only knew the rest…

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    28. Succubint,

      Yep. It all sets things up for this line from the GoHH’s prophecy, “And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow…” to come to fruition when LF arrives back in the North. 🙂

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    29. Producers may have meant to have Sansa to be on a journey as they invisioned it, but it came out compleatly diffrent on the screen. 99% people are watching the show not “making of” clips where the producer get to explain what they tried to achive.

      Same goes for beheaded Direwolves … why bother going to all the trouble of making them if you are not going to show it on the TV screen.

      Honestly, who noticed that before hearing about them in this video?

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    30. Luka Nieto,

      If Arya’s in (which I expect due to “the Gift”) we’ll see ALL storylines this episode. In terms of main cast appearing, it’s a nearly ridiculously big ep:

      Cersei, Tommen, Baelish (with Olenna), Margaery in KL; Jaime (with Myrcella) and Bronn (with SS) in Dorne; Brienne outside WF; Sansa, Theon, Ramsay, Roose inside WF; Stannis, Davos, Melisandre in the North; Sam, Gilly (recapped), Tormund and Jon at the Wall; Arya & Jaqen in Braavos; Tyrion, Jorah, Dany & Daario (recapped) in/near Meereen. That’s 24 out of 27, with the possibility of Missandei and Ellaria appearing as well.

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    31. Annie Wilkes,

      I disagree. And I suspect I am not the only viewer who understood and saw the show-runner’s intentions played out on screen. I acknowledge that others saw something different, but some of the arguments I’ve seen have not been backed up with actual evidence – in my opinion.

      Still, if people were majorly offended, I guess that’s their prerogative. To assume the worst of those who created the controversial scenes in question, though, seems a bit much.

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    32. “She can see the logic behind what [Littlefinger’s] saying and realize that this is an unpleasant but probably necessary step in getting back what was taken from her.” – D.B. Weiss

      That’s wrong! It is not necessary! The same plan Littlefinger laid out to Cersei was the plan he could have followed. Stand back (with Sansa) and let the Boltons and Stannis kill each other, and then roll in after the battle and take over. The writers just contradicted themselves bigtime and Sansa is the one paying the price.

      “She’s going into this dangerous, difficult situation where she thinks she’s going to guide the situation. The only thing she doesn’t know, that even Littlefinger doesn’t know, is exactly what Ramsay is.”

      How can Littlefinger not know who Ramsay was? It the goof of all times. And if he didn’t know who Ramsay was, why send Sansa to him? Littlefinger doesn’t go to the privy without a plan. He would do his research first. I know Littlefinger is just a man and can make mistakes like everyone else, but he would have done better than this. After this, Sansa will never trust him again! I’m surprised she still trusted him again after she sent her to the Boltons. It’s really sad too beacuse Sansa and Petyr could have been the power couple. Bad writing!

      They say Sansa won’t be a victim anymore! That is not was I saw a few nights ago!

      And I saw Iwan R. aka Ramsay covered in blood, but if he were fighting Stannis, shouldn’t he be in the snow? Who else was he fighting? Maybe Brienne and Podrick!

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    33. I’m really hoping to see Eastwatch by the sea this episode, Since it’s there where Stannis left his fleet, It would be awesome to see Jon, Tormund and the rest of the nightswatch leaving to hardhome on the big ships, I imagine like a great cgi view of the limit of the wall with the eastwatch castle and the ships heading north… That would be an epic way of finishing this next episode imo.

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    34. Dutch maester,

      Since the trip should be a bit long, I imagine them leaving this episode and arriving in the 8th, but anyway also the trip by horse to Eastwatch should take a while.
      That would be so cool if it’s Salladhor Saan who takes Jon to Hardhome, I kinda imagine him saying he wants to fuck a wildling girl lol

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    35. Ok so. After thinking about it for some time, here’s the problem I have with that scene.

      They went 100% total victimization by having sansa screaming and focusing on reek.

      Compare that to how they played Dany being victimized by Drogo the second time. At first she’s looking the victim, but then she looks up, sees the dragon eggs and gets a calm/determined look on her face. The look tells the audience, “I’m not a victim.” Without that look Id be as angry then as I am now.

      There’s a similar marital assault scene in Vikings season 2. The character in question eventually is brutally beaten and victimized BUT her face tells us the truth: she will have her vengeance. And she does.

      Here, we don’t get anything from sansa except screams. No steely look that we’ve come to expect from her and seen many times. Even if it was between screams, that look is INPORTANT. Instead we see Theon. Because the showrunners love theon and his story in book 6 more than they value Sansa’s characterization and ultimate character arc. That’s what it corns down to, and that’s what people mean when they say that they show has made Sansas rape about Theons characterization and why it pisses people off.

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    36. moonlightof1982:
      “She can see the logic behind what [Littlefinger’s] saying and realize that this is an unpleasant but probably necessary step in getting back what was taken from her.” – D.B. Weiss

      That’s wrong! It is not necessary! The same plan Littlefinger laid out to Cersei was the plan he could have followed. Stand back (with Sansa) and let the Boltons and Stannis kill each other, and then roll in after the battle and take over.The writers just contradicted themselves bigtime and Sansa is the one paying the price.

      That’s correct. It is obvious that Book LF is going to do precisely that – sit back and wait for the Stannis/Bolton drama to play out, then make his move. Sansa going to Winterfell was not integral to his plans, nor could it be because clearly Book LF has other plans. If D&D wrote themselves into a corner that made Book LF’s plans impossible, that’s their own fault.

      Sansa went to Winterfell because the alternative was her twiddling her thumbs and flirting with boys in the Vale for a reason, not because it was necessary for her forward-looking plot, or LF’s.

      Those that are in a huff about this scene are just off base. Showing us the rape through Theon’s reaction was more than enough and there really wasn’t a more tactful way to do it and maintain the horror that we all felt. And what did you expect Sansa to do? Stick Ramsay with the pointy end? She’d DIE if she fought back, and escape is all but impossible. The moment she committed herself to go to Winterfell, being raped was inevitable. She realized this and sucked it up. I really don’t get the argument that someone’s “agency” or “character arc” is a one-way street with no stumbling blocks or horrible choices.

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    37. Cersei’s Brain,

      I think they are trying to tell us to hold on, that Sansa will get her vengeance on Ramsay but that it won’t happen immediately. Yes, she was a victim in this one very horrible instance, but she will soon be taking her fate into her own hands and showing the world what happens when they play her as the victim. I could be completely wrong, of course, and this could be wishful thinking, but that is my hope.

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    38. Greenjones: o this. (I’m sure it’s already been linked but it’s VERY pertinent).

      Anyway, not to pick on anyone specific, but Jen Trolio of Vox manages to accumulate so many of the bad arguments in one piece that I figured I’d use her as a starting point for this debunking.

      Ha! I’m not sure if the article’s author was trying to be hilariously facetious here or not, but she definitely succeeded in that. I don’t mean to rudely call out just one single person, but I’m about to do exactly that to the best of my ability.

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    39. dragonbringer,

      Wow such an original comeback,i wonder how much time did it take you to come up with that,like 5 seconds ? Also you still haven’t provided a proper explantion for your whining,what human side they haven’t shown are you talking about ? How about the difficult decision from episode 2 or the converstions with Ser Barristan and more things that i won’t bother listing ,if you watched the show you would know,so to me you are talking about a bunch of stuff that you have no real argument of like i said in my first post .

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    40. moonlightof1982:

      And I saw Iwan R. aka Ramsay covered in blood, but if he were fighting Stannis, shouldn’t he be in the snow? Who else was he fighting? Maybe Brienne and Podrick!

      I think we’re assuming that Ramsay wouldn’t need tents and all of the big setup to fight only two people. This looks like a major battle scene rather than a tiny skirmish – or at least that’s my impression.

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    41. Ginevra: Anyway, not to pick on anyone specific, but Jen Trolio of Vox manages to accumulate so many of the bad arguments in one piece that I figured I’d use her as a starting point for this debunking.

      I actually had to look it up to see if that was a real name! “Trolio” is almost too perfect of a name for today’s internet culture…

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    42. Ginevra:
      Greenjones,

      Who is GoHH?And which prophecy?I must be forgetting something important, here.Thank you.

      GOHH is the Ghost of the High Heart.

      One of her famous prophecies has not yet come true in the books.

      “I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs….And later I dreamt that same maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.”

      The first has already come to pass at Joffery’s wedding, and the maid is clearly Sansa. So now she needs to slay a savage giant in a castle of snow. Many of this have long suspected this means LF, and E6 provided fresh evidence for this thought. LF is heading to the snowy North, LF has a path where he could take a third or half of the kingdom and become Westeros’s most powerful man, and now TV-Sansa has every reason on hell and earth to betray him. Book Sansa will need another reason, but I can fathom many things GRRM could cook up as a substitute.

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    43. Chad Brick: GOHH is the Ghost of the High Heart.

      One of her famous prophecies has not yet come true in the books.

      “I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs….And later I dreamt that same maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.”

      I really despise the idea that Sansa would kill LF because he was wrong about Ramsey.

      Sansa should kill Ramsey for this, or at least attempt to.

      She should want to kill LF for betraying her father. She can find out about that in plenty of ways, as she surely will in the books.

      I do think that Sansa will be harder and less likely to trust LF, and to take what he says more cautiously because of what happened. But want to murder him? That would be incredibly out of character, and IMO, from what she knows, actually unjustified.

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    44. I love reading comments because occasionally someone will bring up something I forgot from the books, but all of this “Sansa was raped” shit is annoying. Guess what happens to people in real life? They get raped, murdered, die tragic deaths, betray loved ones, they steal, cheat and suffer. Watch the morning news, you’ll hear about it and it’s far more horrific than what we see on GOT. It’s a tv show. With that said, i like the idea of dany running into tyrion at the cock merchant, I’m assuming Darrio would be dead at that point or he’s just not the man she originally thought he was.

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    45. Chad Brick: GOHH is the Ghost of the High Heart.

      “I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs….And later I dreamt that same maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.”

      Cool! Thank you. I definitely remember the Ghost of High Heart now that you mention her, but I’d not remembered this prophecy.

      At first I was like, why Sansa? She didn’t poison Joff. But then I remembered that in the books the poison was in her hair net thingy and so thus in her hair. And if the hair net was like hair pins, then they could have been like fangs.

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    46. Thank you
      Greenjones, for that link! I had not seen it yet but thought it was entirely excellent. Every word needs to be read by fans who are still outraged by the scene as it calls them out (I shouldn’t just say them, because I was them Sunday night) on their every argument. The article was educational and honest. I understand that some viewers we’re horrified and offended so if they still choose to stop watching, it is wholly their prerogative. In my opinion, we should see how this plays out before we make that decision but again, not my choice to make 🙂

      With that being said, I can now defend the scene and the talent of the cast and crew as artists who are telling the story. The scene was dark and harrow and just what we should’ve expected in Season 5 (which, imo, is the darkest so far). It was also progressive and I think we’re in for an exciting episode 7.

      In terms of what may happen at Wintefell,

      I think Sansa will light the Tower now which will bring Brienne’s help. I think Myranda may aid Sansa also. 1) Their bedroom scene left her pretty pissed off and 2) her immediate reaction was showing Theon to Sansa (against Ramsey’s wishes) 3) she also warned her about his “hunting trips” even if Sansa thought she was just trying to scare her – which she probably was, but still, I feel her loyalty to Ramsey is fading fast.
      I also think that the video essentially confirmed Stannis v Boltons because of the blood on his face and wreckage behind. With that being said, I think Roose will die and Ramsey will live. I also think Stannis will die (and my hopes are by Brienne – AVENGE RENLEY) Davos and Shireen, I think, will escape.
      In terms of Sansa, I think the quote DB said in the beginning, about her not trusting anyone, is completely true. I think anyone also definitely includes LF because, honestly, who could trust him? Especially now. (And he keeps kissing her, yuck!) She also knows that he loved her mother and will definitely use that to her advantage. (Cersei said, the best weapon is between her legs and to learn to use it…) As for him “selling her out” to Cersei, I think it was more another move to grant him access to the North. Winterfell, like Cersei said, is way too far for her troops. So, even Sansa isn’t going to be worth it…unless she sends Jamie after her (where Brienne is)…. (OOOOOO)

      Anyway, I think we’re going to have a really good last couple of episodes and cannot wait to see what happens! (especially

      THE PIT!!!!!!!!

      )

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    47. Joffrey’s Cunt,

      I have Hola, but the link to the video says I have to use some app to watch it, and that app only works for the US. *flails arms* The Internet illiterate is strong with this one…

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    48. I have no problem with any of the Sansa stuff in the episode , I don’t mind her taking the fake arya plot I actually like it . And overall I’d give 5-6 a 5 out of ten but compared to an average episode I hated a lot about it . One – if olyvar was his squire wouldn’t he have showered and bathed him before and saw the birthmark ,, that should be common knowledge ( I coulda out lawyered that ) 2. How shitty was the sand snakes fight 3. They got there at the same time , horrible 4. Why do they have Sansa bein awesome at dinner , make you think she’s gonna use some Margery – joff seduction trick instead she’s the damsel in distress again. It’s like with Jaime seen we’re he rapes cersei. It’s a 180
      In charector development 5. Than arya going to bravos and tricking the girl who goes to the temple . Is like me going to India and me protedenting to be an Indian . Also why not ever take Sansa out of the harbor , little finger could of just left her on the boat went back to kings landing and said the same story. He would have saved a thousand silver stags . His master plan just turned spur of the moment . Now loosing Tywin the hound ,
      Oberyn ,blackfish , gendry , edmure , thoros and the brotherhood for the sand snakes , areo hotah , doran , Marcella is a bad trade overall . The shows more intrested in what they have to do to make the show and not the actually the source material . Still no YG stoneheart and Euron for what ?????? Better screenshots and better sets . The charector development is the heart of the story . One charector becoming another or finding himself is a reoccurring theme that makes the story what it is and I’m upset at this point of this season

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    49. Overall I feel a lil ripped off . Ad would say at this point in the season every season was better throughout first 6 episodes but season 2

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    50. A day in life – shows u just how cocky and special these people want us to feel for them meanwhile there cutting main stuff in the story so obara Sand can say I’m obara sand I fight for dorne ? Like areo hotah never would have met her before , get the fuck outa here it’s clunky

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    51. The last Sansa marriage her handmaiden loves her husband ,now it’s the same thing again ? Like the audience would forget !!!

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    52. BaelorBalerionBaelish,

      It’s much more about hearing and seeing everything. The biggest deal is the interview with Iwan Rheon when he’s dressed up as Bloody Ramsey because the way he’s presented along with the background is something we’ve definitely not seen before. But the entire interview pretty much looks like that screenshot with no more given away for that particular setting.

      Sophie’s interview may also be in clothes, hair, and makeup we’ve never seen her in because her hair looks quite red here, which only just happened before the wedding scene and this isn’t her wedding dress she’s interviewing in. And yet that dress and the background give next to nothing away.

      Dan has an interesting background. Have we seen it before? Is it even a set?

      And the rest of the video contains everything we’ve seen before. I’ve included closeups for the direwolf defacement and a couple of wedding pics because man that was gorgeous, and the weirwood was especially poignant when they talked about the hope it brought to the scene.

      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/teji34vo0kdd2ei/AACfonDyKBUSr0M3Qdepstcea?dl=0

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    53. Queenofthrones: I really despise the idea that Sansa would kill LF because he was wrong about Ramsey.

      Sansa should kill Ramsey for this, or at least attempt to.

      She should want to kill LF for betraying her father.She can find out about that in plenty of ways, as she surely will in the books.

      I do think that Sansa will be harder and less likely to trust LF, and to take what he saysmore cautiously because of what happened.But want to murder him?That would be incredibly out of character, and IMO, from what she knows, actually unjustified.

      Littlefinger is farrrrrrrr from innocent in this situation. Even if I buy the shows ludicrous argument about his not knowing how psychotic Ramsey is, he still knows he planted Sansa in the pit of vipers who betrayed and murdered her brother, his pregnant wife, and her mother. And he then left to negotiate with Cersei while all hell breaks loose in Winterfell. He sent her into the enemy camp and basically set off a time bomb.

      That she’s betrayed by the same people who have already betrayed her family is hardly an uforeseeable possibility.

      The very best interpretation is that LF deliberately placed her in a dire and dangerous situation with no effort in whatsoever to provide a modicum of protection or mode of escape while he stoked various factions to burn the whole place down.

      Littlefinger’s machinations landed her in this, after he had already roped her into an assasination without her knowledge.

      She has more than enough cause to turn on Littlefinger even before she discovers he also got her father killed.

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    54. Oh God. I missed some of the details, like the defaced direwolves and Theon wearing Robb’s clothes. I’ll be in the corner with my feelings.

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    55. Ginevra,

      Thanks for posting those, I’m one of the people who can’t watch it.

      Although I hate the Boltons (does anyone actually root for them?) I love what they’ve apparently done to the direwolves – gone for something quite inventive rather than just smashing stuff up. Actually, I realise I’m admiring despicable people for their creative vandalism. That could be the only thing they would ever get to put on their CVs under “redeeming features”! ;O)

      I had a look at the picture of Dan in photoshop to try and get more detail. What’s behind him is out of focus, which obviously doesn’t help, but it looks like most of the twinkling effect is the reflection of light on red, brown and green glass jars/bottles of varying shapes and sizes. It’s difficult to be sure but there’s what appears to be a suspiciously modern looking shelf unit on the right. To be honest it looks like a gift shop in a glass blowing place or what I imagine Melisandre’s collection of potions and lotions would look like if she was transported into the 21st century and had lots of space to spread them out. And actually existed, obviously.

      Sorry, that’s all I’ve got, but I don’t think it looks like anything we’ve seen as a set on the show so far.

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    56. Obvs I have no idea where the books or show is going with Sansa. Maybe she’ll avenge her family and punish those who deserve it and be Littlefinger’s downfall and all that. Idk. But I’m all for something darker happening. Maybe she finds this Bolton arrangement pragmatic. Maybe she continues to stick w/ Littlefinger because it’s still a “devil you know” situation regardless. Maybe she has the power to get rid of Littlefinger and just.. Chooses not to. He has a hell of a lot of power and influence and maybe don’t throw that away for the sake of justified revenge? Who knows, at this point we can’t even say if Sansa and Littlefinger ever see each other again. But Dark Sansa may not be the vengeful badass people were expecting, maybe she’s just dark.

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    57. Chad Brick,

      It’s a busy day, and I wish I had time to respond to some of your posts throughout various threads, but since you and I have certainly had our disagreements, I just wanted to take a moment to say I agree with so much of what I’ve seen you post since the last episode. It may not hold any meaning for you, but I always like it when I find some common ground/agreement with someone with whom I’ve really disagreed. 🙂

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    58. I couldn’t take my eyes off Theon clothes, while he was walking through the Godswood with Sansa. How could they do that… </3

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    59. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Chad Brick,

      It’s a busy day, and I wish I had time to respond to some of your posts throughout various threads, but since you and I have certainly had our disagreements, I just wanted to take a moment to say I agree with so much of what I’ve seen you post since the last episode.It may not hold any meaning for you, but I always like it when I find some common ground/agreement with someone with whom I’ve really disagreed.

      Thank you. I’ve had a hoot around here this week. All it takes is one scene, and all of a sudden I am no longer anywhere near the “purist” camp and am defending the show against a horde of attackers. I find this incredibly ironic, as this scene was an all-but-inevitable result of, and to a large extent the goal of, a whole host of changes that I had spent the last month nit-picking.

      Yes, your comment means something to me. I thank you again for it. We may disagree often, but keep it in perspective: we are disagreeing in good faith about art. There is no reason any such debate should involve negative feelings about others.

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    60. Queenofthrones: I really despise the idea that Sansa would kill LF because he was wrong about Ramsey.

      Sansa should kill Ramsey for this, or at least attempt to.

      She should want to kill LF for betraying her father.She can find out about that in plenty of ways, as she surely will in the books.

      I do think that Sansa will be harder and less likely to trust LF, and to take what he saysmore cautiously because of what happened.But want to murder him?That would be incredibly out of character, and IMO, from what she knows, actually unjustified.

      Sansa should most definitely try to kill Ramsay. And Roose. And Cersei. And Walder Frey…AND PETYR BAELISH. It hardly matters from Sansa’s perspective whether Petyr put her in this position because of ignorance, malice, or greed. Sansa already had a lot of reason to mistrust him and this event would throw just about anyone way over the edge. If I were Sansa, I’d be spitfire mad at LF and relishing the day where I could cut out his heart with a spoon.

      You are right that in the books that it will probably be Sansa learning of LF’s role in her father’s death that will turn Sansa against LF. The show may also provide this additional motivation, but it is not obvious how they would do this.

      The only surviving(?), named characters who know this are LF, Cersei, Meryn Trant Varys, and the Hound. The first two aren’t going to tell, the third would neither tell nor live long enough to anyway, and I doubt the fifth is coming back on TV like he did in the books. That only leaves Varys, but it is not obvious how or why he’d be involved. So rather than use some deus-ex-ravena to motivate Sansa, D&D used something incredibly personal. This seems sensible to me.

      Btw, I think it will be the Hound in the books. He has the knowledge and the motivation.

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    61. Chad Brick,

      Not true. In season 2, Catelyn meets Littlefinger and is aware that he betrayed Ned. I think it’s relatively common knowledge in the show, but I guess Sansa only heard about Ned being a traitor and not the real story since she was at King’s Landing at the time. I think Stannis or even Brienne could tell her that.

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    62. juan:
      So, which is the show in which Sansa Stark will no longer be a victim and will fight to regain what was taken from her?

      Because it’s clearly not Game of Thrones. If HBO wants to do a horror version of Sleeping Beauty, don’t sell it as Count of Montecristo

      Episode 6 could have easily been Sansa’s low point and it is only up from here. Sansa took a risk that she was not were was so huge when she took it and it could still pay off.

      But many can not wait util declaring that Sansa’s arc has been ruined and she is nothing but a victim and her story is about Theon really. Would you really come to these conclusions without having read the books were this does not happen and the book story is about Theon only? The show only watchers have been disturbed and wish for less rape but they are not angry the way book readers are.

      Book fans have been sharpening knives since Sansa was shown in Winterfell and now have the opportunity to declare her arc has been ruined. But you can hear for this interviews at least that the writers do think this story is about Sansa (and not Theon) and she is going to be stronger and do something. I think declarations that her story is ruined should wait until the end of the season. Did book readers give up hope on Dany’s storyline after her first episode where she was raped when she was not in books (during her wedding night she was clearly raped later). Because Sansa’s story has taken a different turn it did in the books I do still think she will arrive to her book rails at one point (after her story is finally written). Just because she has more suffering here (and I recall some complaints that she was not treated badly enough during season 2 by Joffrey ) does not mean everything is changed.

      And her scene was not just for shock value but I have rambled long enough already.

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