Location filming begins with Trystane and Myrcella, despite the rain in Spain

Spain was chosen to stand in for the warm desert-like region of Dorne, but you wouldn’t know it from the rain in the country today. However that didn’t stop Game of Thrones from shooting, despite some questions as to whether cameras would roll once the poor weather forecast became known.

According to ElCorreo, the show started shooting at 6 in the morning. Extras were present, taking on the roles of soldiers and servants, many people clad in Martell orange.

ElCorreo even managed to catch a glimpse of Nell Tiger Free and Toby Sebastian:

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Free took the time to meet and pose with a few lucky fans of the show near the Alcazar:

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In other filming news:

This Croatian TV report holds an interesting bit of info. Around the 1:44 mark, Conleth Hill in Varys costume is spotted at the Villa Sheherezade, around the distinctive gate. Crews were seen in the area of the villa in early October. Boxes were seen outside the villa marked “Illyrio’s,” hinting that the show is headed back to Pentos to see Magister Illyrio Mopatis.

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    1. The rain in Span falls mainly on the plains.

      Anyway, it is good that the filming info keeps rolling in. I hope there are a lot more from Spain over the next few weeks, and we get some decent glimpses of Doran, Areo and the Sand Snakes.

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    2. Turncloak,

      Illyrio’s part is minor enough that if they couldn’t get him back I think they’d just cut it and send Tyrion and Varys straight to Volantis. His appearance is only important in that it adds continuity, so if you’re going to break continuity with a recast, why bother?

      Also, I was always pretty critical of the Myrcella recast, but the pics of Nell here with her hair done in Myrcella’s wavier style actually look pretty good. I could actually see more casual viewers failing to notice the recast at all.

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    3. Turncloak,

      I’d guess no recast, or someone would have heard something about it, by now. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking. Anyway, as people have already said, he could certainly be reprising his role, but only appearing in indoor scenes, so he would be needed in Croatia. I also checked his performance schedule and there are two days off, instead of the usual one, this weekend. http://www.hampsteadtheatre.com/whats-on/2014/seminar/

      Flights from London to Dubrovnik are under 3 hours long, so to fly him down and back in time for his next performance 7:30 Tuesday night, while cutting it close, would not be impossible.

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    4. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      They’re done in Dubrovnik. He would’ve had to go last weekend when they filmed the exteriors for his manse or just wait and do interiors in N.I. only.

      WillDo’s report that they were shooting his manse in the villa is confirmed by the video of Conleth in Dubrovnik linked in the other thread btw.

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    5. Greenjones: WillDo’s report that they were shooting his manse in the villa is confirmed by the video of Conleth in Dubrovnik linked in the other thread btw.

      It’s linked/embedded in this post. Up above.

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    6. Greenjones:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      They’re done in Dubrovnik. He would’ve had to go last weekend when they filmed the exteriors for his manse or just wait and do interiors in N.I. only.

      WillDo’s report that they were shooting his manse in the villa is confirmed by the video of Conleth in Dubrovnik linked in the other thread btw.

      Ah, I thought the video showing Conleth was from the last couple of days, which is why I said what I said. I suppose I should have checked to see what date it was that Conleth was spotted, first. My bad.

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    7. Sue the Fury,

      Oh okay. For some reason it’s obscured by the instagram picture for me. If others are commenting on the video here though, the glitch must only apply for my internet.

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    8. This idea that an actor/actress is a “thing” that one just pack and beam it wherever that it suits the phantasies of the fans is really upsetting. As if an actor/actress does not need time in between different projects, rehearsals, preparation in terms of costume fitting and make up, sleep etc… even if a part of preparations have been done in advance it sounds inhuman.

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    9. Good. Let it rain.

      I’m tired of every scene being filmed against a perfect, clear blue sky in every part of the world. Weather is varied, people!

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    10. dothrakian raven:
      This idea that an actor/actress is a “thing” that one just pack and beam it wherever that it suits the phantasies of the fans is really upsetting. As if an actor/actress does not need time in between different projects, rehearsals, preparation in terms of costume fitting and make up, sleep etc… even if a part of preparations have been done in advance it sounds inhuman.

      Given I was the one suggesting he has an extra day off, so getting to Dubrovnik and back (if the dates aligned, which it turns out they didn’t) was plausible, my statement had nothing to do with seeing actors as “things,” nor anything about fulfilling any sort of fantasy. Instead, it stems from having first-hand knowledge of the schedules actors sometimes keep, and the crazy things they sometimes have to do. I was involved in a production wherein the lead actor was performing on the west coast, and had to fly to New York for one day to do a read through for his next project, then make it back to the west coast for the next round of performances…just as one example.

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    11. Greenjones,

      It might be an Internet Explorer problem because I just checked on google chrome and the Varys video was not obscured by the Nell instagram pic. (A message to my past self).

      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Aye. I don’t know whether Allam in particular is such a busy bee that he’d be willing to fly somewhere to shoot for a day on his days off from a play…but there are actors who are even busier bees than that.

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    12. So

      Littlefinger meets Lancel in episode 4 according to TrystanSnow from the ASOIAF post. Sounds like Sansa is left alone pretty early on in the season. My guess is that Littlefinger is in for a surprise when he returns to the Vale…. (not sure of the nature of the surprise, though).

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    13. You guys ever feel like maybe you’d enjoy the show more if you stopped looking at all these pictures and predicting what happens in every episode?

      I’m starting to feel that way. Like I just don’t want to know anything more until it premieres.

      *refreshes page*

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    14. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      It’s not personal at all 🙂 I just picked up on your comment in this post because it had been repeated many, many times by other commentators in a previous one. It somehow sounds inhuman. In any case I think it is highly impossible to recast such a good actor as Allam and thus to impose an anxiety on this matter is just pointless unless the opposite is evidently the case which is something to be seen in due time.

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    15. i think nell will be a fine myrcella…she looks more of what i had in mind when reading anyways…aimee was great with what they gave her…but nell looks more like a younger cercei…im excited…beginning to embrace the changes and just totally separate the two so ic an just sit back and enjoy

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    16. So excited ! I’m sure soon we will get some pic for Areo and the snakes and Alexander ..etc in customs !! AaaswAh screaming .

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    17. So do you think they will go with Marcylla

      losing half her face/ ear . Or cut the scene or kill her instead to create more action ? There was some news about that one .. You know who *_* the one of the NIGHT

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    18. D’Arcy,

      Honestly, I’d enjoy the show tons more (though changes WOULD disappoint me) but the offseason speculation/filming news is half the fun. I won’t be doing it as often next year, though. Next year filming news will be pure spoilers all around.

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    19. Lady Nym,

      I think it would be very fitting if they just decide to kill her off- especially since the Maggy the Frogg prophecy is included. It’d be pretty horrifying, so in line with the show. That said, we don’t have a Darkstar and I don’t like other suggestions very much (such as Obara doing it when their plot fails). In any case, with the news that the big fight scene in Dorne takes place in the Water Gardens rather than out in the desert, I’m beginning to doubt that there’ll be a Queenmaker plot at all. We’ll see.

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    20. Greenjones,

      God I’m looking forward to everything KL related next season.

      It’s funny, when I first started reading Feast the first time around, my reaction to getting Cersei chapters was pretty much: “Ughh not again, can we please just skip to more Arya??” But looking back, all of the drama and tension that unfolds makes it one of the strongest (and one of my favorite) plot lines from that book.

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    21. I am really sorry, but Toby Sebastian just manages to have one of those incredibly douchebaggy faces, like, oh my god i am not sure if i can even explain what I mean but its a pity because:
      a) I am sure Toby is a great guy
      b) book Trystane is a very sweet boy

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    22. Renly’s Peach:
      Good. Let it rain.

      I’m tired of every scene being filmed against a perfect, clear blue sky in every part of the world. Weather is varied, people!

      And all the races of Middle Earth never shit.

      Cheers Cumsprite!

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    23. dothrakian raven: This idea that an actor/actress is a “thing” that one just pack and beam it wherever that it suits the phantasies of the fans is really upsetting. As if an actor/actress does not need time in between different projects, rehearsals, preparation in terms of costume fitting and make up, sleep etc… even if a part of preparations have been done in advance it sounds inhuman.

      It would be interesting to know how contracts on the show are structured, would seem about 97% of the cast , with proper scheduling can be accommodated.
      Of course now, with the show being such a hit, actors seem willing to bend over backwards to come back! Seems I saw an article the other day that mentioned all the GOT cast was ‘in demand’ for other projects. Now that’s a real incentive!
      Even Miltos Yeromelou who has been gone since season 1 , and wanted to come back,
      (and as far as we know might even still come back!) got hired by the Star Wars project.
      Conan Stevens (who still is the only Mountain) wanted back, went to talks about coming back (even after he had gotten caught in the Hobbit production). I would still like to hear Stevens story someday.
      Clive Mantle missing from season 2 because of another series, could have come back , but that’s even a bigger mystery than Stevens!
      The Ed Skrein deal has the best explanation , due to being in Transporter , what ever happened to that?, they did need a replacement, which worked out well with Michiel Huisman. Skrein might have benefited from scheduling around that film project.
      One child recast I understood, one , it’s hard to tell, I guess they needed a better actress? Or something.

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    24. Boojam,

      Not really any mysteries. Mantle, Stevens and Skrein all left (or got booted/not asked back) because they took on other projects that got in the way of GoT filming.

      1. Conan was booted for taking the Hobbit over S2 (and probably also for being a douche – that’s what “no comment” from producers usually means).
      2. Once Clive Mantle had ditched S2 for other work, there was no chance he’d come back. No mystery there. Miscalculation on his part (or his managers’ part).
      3. Skrein’s instalment of Transporter comes out next year. He probably chose to ditch GoT rather than the other way around.
      4. The kids were both recast due to needing a stronger actor. Original Tommen and Myrcella were essentially featured extras. Same as Beric.

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    25. Boojam: It would be interesting to know how contracts on the show are structured, would seem about 97% of the cast , with proper scheduling can be accommodated.
      Of course now, with the show being such a hit, actors seem willing to bend over backwards to come back! Seems I saw an article the other day that mentioned all the GOT cast was ‘in demand’ for other projects. Now that’s a real incentive!
      Even Miltos Yeromelou who has been gone since season 1 , and wanted to come back,
      (and as far as we know might even still come back!) got hired by the Star Wars project.
      Conan Stevens (who still is the only Mountain) wanted back, went to talks about coming back (even after he had gotten caught in the Hobbit production).I would still like to hear Stevens story someday.
      Clive Mantle missing from season 2 because of another series, could have come back , but that’s even a bigger mystery than Stevens!
      The Ed Skrein deal has the best explanation , due to being in Transporter , what ever happened to that?, they did need a replacement, which worked out well with Michiel Huisman. Skrein might have benefited from scheduling around that film project.
      One child recast I understood, one , it’s hard to tell, I guess they needed a better actress? Or something.

      A quick note that the announcement of Skrein’s casting in The Transporter occurred months after his dismissal from GoT. That re-cast would appear to be specifically as a result of something that Skrein did or did not do with regards to conduct on or off set.

      We’ll probably never know exactly what this was as producers don’t kiss and tell about this stuff but I’d wager it was relatively serious if they went to the trouble of having to recast a character who was going to be a fairly major player in Dany’s storyline after spending the amount of time establishing him in Season 3. You don’t go to that trouble unless the actor really, really needed to be removed from the production. “Scheduling issues” wouldn’t be the reason in cases like this.

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    26. jentario,

      Everyone thinks the Maggy the Frog prophecy will come true, but remember this is GRRM and therefore you need to throw everything out the window when it comes to standard literary formulas. I would be extremely disappointed if the story adhere’s to it, because the reader isn’t suppose to know what’s going to happen in the future, it would defeat GRRM’s method of madness when it comes to ASoIaF.

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    27. tyjon,

      I think it’s incredibly stupid if it’s not at least partially true. It has to be vague and easy to misinterpret, but other than that I will forgive GRRM for laying out the future of three characters (who are pretty doomed anyways) in favor of some irony in Cersei’s paranoia bringing her own downfall.

      Not all of it will come true exactly as expected, though. But I think there’s no way around the children thing. The Valonqar part is where I hope GRRM surprises us. Cersei thinks it’s Tyrion, everyone thinks it’s Jaime… I can see something entirely different playing out.

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    28. If Dorne is done right, Season 5 will be the most enjoyable season for sure.
      Each storylines will feel fresh this year unlike Season 3 and 4.

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    29. Chickenduck,

      Good Summary. I honestly believe that the producers only re-cast for very good reasons. In some cases it might not work exactly from our point of view, but from a production point of view I expect it is much better for tyhem.

      Out of all of them, I think Tommen and Myrcella were the ones that needed recasting the most. As you say, the others were just featured extras. I know a lot of the fandom want to see Aimee Richardsonbecome a massive star, but it isn’t going to happen (not that I don’t want it to happen). I wish both Callum and Aimee the best, but neither of them are going to have a big role in a TV or film series.

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    30. Chickenduck: Not really any mysteries. Mantle, Stevens and Skrein all left (or got booted/not asked back) because they took on other projects that got in the way of GoT filming.

      At least we have some indication in Skrein’s case why he didn’t come back , but didn’t care for Skrein in that role anyway.
      Mantle is only by very vague circumstantial evidence. He wasn’t absolutely needed in season 2.
      For Stevens , it may have been a contract violation too.* However in his case apparently he, apparently, he had some kind of negotiation about coming back.
      I think the single worst casting error of the whole series was Ian Whyte in Season 2. We did not even need to see the Mountain that season. He would have been available for season 3, tho not really needed, but for sure for season 4.

      We seem to have only one actor who showed a mild dissonance for his time on the show , Robert Pugh (Craster) , tho he did say he enjoyed his time there, but didn’t understand the show’s popularity. Could be Mantle felt the same way, tho we don’t know.

      * I doubt D&D booted Stevens , all I can guess is HBO is hard over about a contract no-show, it’s too bad Stevens was needed last season.

      Don’t care about Skrein, but would like to hear Steven’s story in about two years and anything from Mantle.

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    31. Siddig in Sevilla.

      Not in costume or anything but at least we get to see how Doran’s hair and beard will look in the show.

      EDIT: this girl has photos with a bunch of other cast member in Sevilla, some of which have already been posted here.

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    32. Greenjones,

      Awesome. DeObia Oparei must be there too. I’m kinda disappointed that they aren’t giving Doran a clean-shaven look but the beard isn’t messy or anything so it’s still alright. I haven’t seen Siddig act, but if he’s half as good as people say he is he’ll do just fine.

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    33. The rain in Spain flowed down the drain and was a pain for Myrcella and Trystane filming the Game of Thrones to make their name and increase their fame but I’ll now refrain to keep you sane as I feel shame as my rhyming is lame and barely sounds the same!

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    34. The only way her recasting makes sense is if she’s an insanely better actor than her predecessor. Otherwise, she looks younger and has a similar look to the previous actor.

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    35. Wow, I’m really surprised to find out why Conan Stevens wasn’t back for S2, I think he was the best Mountain and Ian was a waste. Current Mountain is …ok. New Myrcella , I’ll have to see I liked Aimee. Love this site very informative I enjoy seeing all the photos from the set by fans.
      Show won’t be the same without the Hound, any news on that?

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    36. The Berylfly

      Speaking of Toby Sebatian, I must agree that he has “one of those faces”. I think it’s his nose that gets in the way of his appeal. Too bad. As you say, he’s likely a swell guy and his character is probably sterling.

      And he appears to be the current arm candy of our gorgeous and extremely talented Sophie Turner, or so I see from Googling him. And the effort rewarded me with this At Home pic of Sophie and her wolf. They are both magnificent creatures.
      http://i.imgur.com/3q0bSom.jpg

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    37. Hodor’s Bastard,

      I think Clegane, his death did feign as he’s Gregor’s bane so will be seen again. Miss Dayne hurts my brain as her whereabouts I can’t explain. She could train with Ilyan Payne like he who left the king slain?

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    38. H. Stark,

      Ah! He has a bunch of other photos with castmates up too.

      Podeswa’s presence makes me wonder when exactly Jaime and Bronn leave Dorne. They only get there in 504, so how long do they stay? As Olenna would say, “A question for the philosophers.”

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    39. The redditer who laid out Jaime’s S5 plot some time ago (which is in no way substantiated, just interesting and not something that has been 100% refuted to this point), said that after Jaime’s Dorne excursion, he returns to Cersei in King’s Landing empty handed. Then supposedly, he and Cersei get in a fight and he leaves King’s Landing presumably before she’s arrested and goes through the WoS. Based on filming, Jaime’s no where to be seen in King’s Landing at that time so that follows but the only question is if he has enough time to get back to Cersei from Dorne and get in that fight which would have to take place in E8 or so. Seems like a bit of a crunch but it could happen.

      What’s clear is that Jaime needs something to do after he’s finished with Dorne. Whether he makes a quick stop in KL or goes somewhere else, he needs an ultimate destination for the end of the season. The redditer states that Jaime heads out in search of Brienne after leaving Cersei which basically gets him back into book timelines. If this is true, it then begs what the climax of his story in E5 is and whether this is the point where you either get LS or something entirely new.

      I don’t think the show explicitly had the Blackfish escape from the RW when he could have easily been killed there for no reason. I highly doubt Riverrun comes back into the story at this point since the show has established that Walder seems to hold it. So either there’s a re-emergence of the BwB (with perhaps the Blackfish involved) or Jaime and Brienne will skip ahead into whatever GRRM has planned for them in TWoW. It’s also possible that they just leave off with Jaime setting off to find Brienne and don’t come back to that until S6 either.

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    40. Greenjones,

      Not really, it was obvious this was going to be a rather short side plot. Here (based on all the leaks):

      E3: Jaime asks Bronn to join him on his trip to Dorne where we get a Lollys cameo, Jaime and Bronn set off with the ship captain
      E4: the ship captain drops them just off the Dornish shore and heads to Planky Town where he tips off Obara of their arrival, Obara tells Ellaria- who sends some Dornish assassins to intercept Jaime (because he can fuck up their plans to crown Myrcella). Jaime and Bronn fight off the Dornish horsemen.
      E5: the Sand Snakes, Ellaria and Trystane plan to crown Myrcella quickly and get them married, but Jaime and Bronn arrive to screw it up. The Sand Snakes fight Jaime and Bronn, and Areo Hotah breaks them off by being a badass
      E6: Bronn, Tyene and Nymeria share a scene together in a cell, where Tyene reveals her daggers were poisoned (and reveals her girls as well). Meanwhile, Jaime and Doran share a scene where they agree that Dorne and the Iron Throne must not war. Jaime and Bronn set off back to King’s Landing possibly with Myrcella (seems like the only way to settle the matter without open war).
      E7: Trystane is released from his cell and has a talk with Doran, he says he was in love with Myrcella and that he is angry that he sent her back to King’s Landing. Doran reveals that he was never meant to marry her, and that he will marry Dany (Fire and Blood speech- if they won’t include this, I can’t imagine why they opted to keep Dorne in the show at all).

      I don’t think Trystane will be getting fried like Quentyn, though he might still travel to Meereen to arrange an alliance with Dany. The Griffs are looking to be cut, so it makes sense Dorne will side with her in the show. Or they’ll just wait for her to come to them.

      If Myrcella isn’t sent away, I can’t imagine that turning out well in the show. Why would Jaime just turn back? Will Doran release some Hounds on him? I hope he’ll at least wear a shirt as he does it. To be honest though, Jaime letting Myrcella stay because she’s in love would trump even Yara’s pointless attack on the Dreadfort in terms of stupidity.

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    41. jentario,

      I don’t mind this progression of events but I fail to see how Jaime allowing Myrcella to stay would be weird. It’s clear he’s only going on the mission on Cersei’s orders because she feels like Myrcella is being held captive and is living in fear. The whole point of the mission is to ensure Myrcella’s safety. If Jaime discovers that not only is Myrcella safe but she is enjoying her life there, why would he forcibly remove her just so he can take her back to the rat’s nest in King’s Landing? That would seem to be reasonable and it also would set off the conflict between Jaime and Cersei which needs to happen in order for them to go on their separate paths on the show.

      Either Myrcella dies or Jaime decides to leave her there. There’s no way Jaime brings her back to Cersei safe and sound. That doesn’t track.

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    42. King Tommen,

      I don’t see why Jaime would go looking for Brienne. He doesn’t have the slightest idea where she is, and she’s probably better off “saving the Stark girls” without him. In the books Brienne approaches Jaime for help, which is a bit more possible (though Jaime will be in King’s Landing or south of it, which is a fair distance from her).

      That said, Jaime and Cersei DO need to fall out. I’m thinking Lancel and Jaime have a talk (now that it’s all but confirmed he’s coming back). Jaime finds out about Cersei’s unfaithfulness and realizes she’s just manipulating him. The letter burning scene is something that’s perfect to end Jaime’s arc in season 5, but the question is- how does he get the letter, and where is he when it happens? He has to be in a castle or town and Cersei has to know where he is. I’m guessing that he either travels to Casterly Rock or to treat with the Freys or anything that places him on route towards his TWOW storyline.

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    43. King Tommen,

      Disagree. There are many other ways to cause a rift between Jaime and Cersei. It shouldn’t just come down to Jaime’s failures- Jaime has to realize what Cersei really is, it has to be a two-sided break up.

      And Myrcella staying in Dorne essentially puts that whole storyline on halt. Trystane marries Myrcella? Or does she just stay there while Doran keeps holding off the wedding? Even in the books, Myrcella is setting off to King’s Landing (with a couple of Sand Snakes at her side)- will she just wait a couple of episodes instead of going with Jaime?

      Dorne needs to support the Targaryens, otherwise there’s no reason to include them at all. D&D seem to love two things about Dorne- Doran and the Sand Snakes. The latter are getting some love, but the former would be reduced to patheticness if all he does this season is fail to control his family. And how can that ever happen if Myrcella stats in Dorne? It really can’t.

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    44. King Tommen,

      Honestly, it would be pretty solid if she dies in the fight. Problem is we don’t have a Darkstar, so it seems a bit unlikely.

      I do think Myrcella can return safe and sound. Why not?

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    45. jentario:
      King Tommen,

      Because Myrcella doesn’t want to go back and Doran/Sandsnakes won’t let him leave with her. He’s supposed to slip into Dorne secretly and that’s foiled and both he and Bronn are captured. What’s the next move to get Myrcella out of there? It’s more likely that Jaime is convinced by Myrcella that Dorne is the best place for her and she’s happier there then she’d ever be with Cersei. With this knowledge, Jaime is allowed to leave by Doran and his delivery of this news is what enrages Cersei and causes them to split.

      This would not be Jaime “failing”. It would be him coming to a realization that Myrcella is actually safer and happier where she is than by Cersei. He makes an active decision not to pursue the mission any further and stands up to Cersei when she gets the news.

      I mean, maybe she dies somehow in a tragic accident or misunderstanding but she’s not coming back to the capital. Cersei’s story doesn’t work if she just gets all her kids back. She’s supposed to be abandoned by everyone around her which sets up her WoS. What a kick in the teeth it would be to hear from Jaime that her daughter didn’t want to come back to her, that she’s happier somewhere else?

      Also, I’m fairly certain in the books that Myrcella isn’t making it back to King’s Landing.

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    46. King Tommen,
      jentario,

      Sorry to be a pessimist, but like “Yara’s” failed adhoc GoT venture of S4, I believe this new adhoc Jaime vector will have a similar outcome. Jaime will most likely come back north…alone.

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    47. But the difference is that Jaime will not “fail” (maybe in Cersei’s eyes), he will make an active decision and realization that leaving Myrcella in Dorne is the best thing to do. There’s a difference. And it also will allow Cersei and Jaime to have their huge falling out which is key for both of their arcs going forward.

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    48. jentario:

      Insert spoiler here
      I’m still a strong supporter of the Trystane = Aegon idea. Jaime leaving Myrcella could be a a case of Doran not wanting her to go as he has plans for her (a valuable hostage in the upcoming invasion plans maybe?) plus Jaime not fighting it too much as he sees that she is safe in Dorne. He could then return and Cersei would lose her shit because he didn’t bring her back ( and/or she hears details that she has died/has lost an ear). I think Jaime being given the reason to head to the Riverlands to tidy things up and to get him away from Cersi whom he discover (perhaps from Lancel) has been putting it about would work as a plot device but there doesn’t need to be the Riverrun siege. Although I think Edmure and the Blackfish will turn up again as both were given good actors and some prominence. I think Blackfish may take LS role or they may just leave Beric in control of the BwB ( again a big name cast so be silly not to make the most of them). Perhaps Jaime is even sent north because the Freys are having trouble dealing with the BwB. Either way he is in the right area for Brienne interaction.
      Back in Dorne, I thin it would be quite tidy having Myrcella die but I can’t see why anyone would kill her? Only options really are one of the Sand Snakes but if they’re to be brought back into the fold by Doran then it would make no sense for them to burn their bridges killing her unless just one goes mental ( I suggest Obara as with no Balon Swann then she’s at a loose end). Get the feeling Hotah is going to chop someones head off and it will be either Obara or Bronn! Ellaria is another possible candidate with her and Obara acting independently. Not really sure to be honest but by the end they need to be able to manouvere two of the sand snakes into a position and have Trystane/Aegon in a position to either go and propose to Dany (unlikely seeing how pointless Quentyne was in the books and also the speed at which he’d have to travel to get there before she buggers off on Drogon) or continue to prepare to launch an attack on the rest of Westeros (final scene could be Doran revealing his plans to Trystane and perhaps to the audience who Trystane really is as he did Arianne in the books.)

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    49. King Tommen,

      Myrcella being in King’s Landing wouldn’t reinforce Cersei at all. In the books, Tommen is still there- he’s the King and he still doesn’t help her. He doesn’t even want to.

      Now how do you think Myrcella would think of her mother if she was snatched away from the love of her life? Probably not great at all. I can’t see her doing anything to help Cersei or make her feel better, because at this point she will hate her mother.

      And on why the Dornish will set her free… It’s actually fairly simple. If they tell Jaime to fuck off, they have a war on their hands. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t ask nicely. Knowing Doran from the books- the last thing he’d want is to set off a war in Dorne before he’s ready and before his plans are on their way (Targaryen plans). In fact, Myrcella is mostly just an annoyance to Doran at this point with Trystane having fallen in live with her- how can he marry Dany if he is deeply in love with his wife to be? So in-love that he’d be willing to betray his father. The best thing to do at this point is break off the marriage, keep the peace with the Lannisters and start paving the way towards an alliance with Dany.

      And I don’t think Myrcella will ever be given a choice here. She’s just a kid, and a pawn in the game of thrones. Doran and Jaime and Cersei will all do with her as they like, and the worst she can do is cry about it. Myrcella knows this, and she’ll most likely think she has no way to affect it (because the people of power made a decision). So it’s likely that she won’t even try to convince Jaime to let her stay.

      She doesn’t HAVE to stay at Dorne. If anything, she has to clear out (because it just won’t work when Doran reveals he supports Dany).

      Yes, I can now see Myrcella having a heartfelt discussion with Jaime (perhaps revealing that she knows he’s her father and using that fact to her advantage). You warmed me a bit to the idea that Jaime himself decides his daughter will be better off in Dorne. With that said, it still makes his whole journey there rather pointless. It would be okay if the writing and the acting will be top notch.

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    50. King Tommen,

      I find it hard to believe that Jaime would even give a damn. One slip about he being Myrcella’s actual father and the whole Lannister regime comes falling down. Is that really wise as Cersei get closer to the KL trial of the century? Yes, something about this trip is fishy and will cause a Jaime/Cersei blowup, but is it really about retrieving Myrcella or about desperately regaining ties to Dorne? Maybe it does all blow up and the trial is really about who is the rightful heir to the throne….

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    51. jentario,

      Although I dislike the possible show-only Trystane theory, “secret Targs” do matter in the ASoI&F tale. History will repeat itself and there will be another dance.

      One other note: The World of Ice & Fire history book is coming out soon…did anyone notice that the cover only contains a mish-mash of the Targ and Blackfyre sigils? Hmmmmmm…what is this tale really about? What is GRRM trying to convey about the future of this series with this cover?

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    52. King Tommen,

      From the casting video, we know that the Queenmaker plot is DEFINITELY happening, so Myrcella is NOT safe in Dorne at all. so even if there’s no Darkstar, Myrcella has to get fucked up somehow…it would almost anticlimactic if she didn’t. The show even foreshadowed about her getting hurt in Dorne during the Purple Wedding and Cersei not believing Oberyn’s “we don’t hurt little girls in Dorne” line.

      So if Jaime returns without Myrcella to King’s Landing thinking that she’s safer in Dorne it would definitely be a HUGE failure on his part. Especially since from the Obara casting audition video, Obara is talking about Jaime coming to Dorne and asking “will there be war” as well as them talking about how Cersei loves her children and how they have Myrcella …….so Queenmaker is definitely happening and Sand Snakes have made the plan before they even meet up with Jaime.

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    53. jentario,

      In the books Trystane is certianly just Trystane but also Trystane doesn’t do a great deal of anything and I can’t see him playing a massive part going forward. This is why I’d be more than happy to have Trystane and Aegon merged as it would make the character more relevant, not cut out Aegon ( who may prove important as the books progress) and also streamlines the story. If you think about it then it makes sense for Aegon to be hidden in his mother’s homeland and all the things he can learn or be taught is Essos can happen in Dorne. This also saves casting Jon Connigton, keeps Dorne relevant (which in the books it seems to dip out of) and give Doran Martell more to do, taking on JonConns role.

      You’d have to ask GRRM why there’s so many Targs. One reason is because they’re the main family in the universe and are also horny buggers! The amount of Targ Bastards has always been large even without the speculated ones!

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    54. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Well, as I see it, Trystane has plenty to do since he’s taking up a merged role of book Trystane, Arianne and Quentyn. In any case, he was never presented as Dorne’s main character in the show, I don’t think his role will be considerably bigger than that of the Sand Snakes and certainly not Doran. I think his casting call would have been a bit more specific than “Hispanic romantic lead” if he was going to be the next big claimant of the Iron Throne.

      I think it looks pretty obvious that the Griffs are cut, and the sooner you accept it the better. You might not realize it now (because you want Aegon to be in in any way possible), but by the time the season is over you’ll realize it’s just a wild theory. I think.

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    55. StandOzone,

      Gotta love our Hotah, he’s giving us a whole gallery to analyze. He seems really nice too.

      Good to know that they’ll appear in the first two episodes, though Obara’s audition kind of hinted at this. Probably Ellaria arriving. Maybe we’ll get Oberyn’s funeral intercutting with Tywin’s.

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    56. TheBerylfly:
      I am really sorry, but Toby Sebastian just manages to have one of those incredibly douchebaggy faces, like, oh my god i am not sure if i can even explain what I mean but its a pity because:
      a) I am sure Toby is a great guy
      b) book Trystane is a very sweet boy

      I have to agree with this. Thus far, Sebastian is really the only actor cast that I find incredibly annoying. Remember that intro video of him at the Comic Con? Secured the “Douchebag of the Year Award” in less than 15 seconds. But perhaps his character is meant to be an insufferable brat that Myrcella falls stupidly in love with, ala Sansa and Joffrey in S1?

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    57. StandOzone,

      That is certainly interesting. I sort of assumed we would get our first impressions of Dorne when Jaime and Bronn arrive there, but I don’t have a problem with introducing them early.

      It’d be great to see the first reactions to Oberyn’s Death, kinda like Areo Hotah’s first chapter, in which each of the three eldest sand snakes seeks audience with Doran and suggests a different response. It’s such a cleverly structured chapter, too, as each of their proposals would necessitate the collaboration of the next Sand Snake, but the next always has a different idea: Obara would ravage Oldtown and start an all-out war in Westeros until all Lanisters are dead, and she only asks for hosts for herself and her sister Nymeria to command; but Nymeria is not so keen on leading an army to war, as in her opinion only four deaths are needed (Tywin, Cersei, Jaime and Tommen), and she would send Tyene to do the deed; however, clever Tyene would do neither of these things, suggesting instead to wed Myrcella to Trystane and hail her as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, also starting a war but on their terms and on their land —a war they can win.

      By the way, so many people seem to forget Tyene is the first in AFFC to suggest crowning Myrcella. Still, not the first in the series; that was Oberyn in ASOS. Also, Tyrion toyed with the idea early in ADWD. It’s not such an original idea, which is probably why, despite what many people seem to think, Arianne is indeed very cuttable, especially if Aegon is gone (considering her role early in TWOW, judging by the released chapters.) Don’t get me wrong, Arianne is an interesting character, but as a show-watcher I think I’d rather see how Oberyn’s closest loved ones react to her death —that would be Ellaria, Doran and his daughters. Arianne is kin too, but her reasons to act have less to do with Oberyn than with her internal struggle of identity as the heir of Dorne, born out of her past disagreements with his father. This is not necessarily difficult to adapt into the show, but its external storytelling perspective lends itself better to characters like the Sand Snakes, Ellaria or even Doran.

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    58. Hodor’s Bastard,

      I DID! I did notice it. I wondered why would that supposedly history book only feature that on the cover. It might only tell the history from a Targ maester POV? Or he just loves the House seal so much. Or the marketing department thought it was the coolest thing ever. I mean: three headed dragon is pretty much as fantastical and cool as you can get.

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    59. jentario,

      Well book Trystane doesn’t do a lot, Quentyne’s only real achievement is getting burnt to death by dragons and it doesn’t look as though he’d be able to make it to Mereen in time to do that and it looks like a lot of Arianne’s role is being shared out between the Sand Snakes. Interesting you should say that as I wouldn’t say he’s hispanic which could be explained by Trystane’s mother being from Norvos or that his parentage is missed Dornish (hispanic) and Targaryen (white). Although in the books it says Trystane is olive-skinned and Toby doesn’t look olive-skinned to me.
      Not gonna give up hope because I want as much of the source material in as possible. Dany’s predictable march toward the throne needs some things to liven it up and Aegon did. I assume you weren’t a fan of the character but a lot of people enjoyed the unpredictablility his appearance brought. Not saying it’s going to happen merely entertaining the idea it could. Not sure why some folks don’t care about Griffs or Greyjoys but were over the moon Dorne was included when it was a whole lot easier to cut. Is the Queenmaker plot really crucial to anything else that’s going on? It’s pretty much all self-contained in Dorne. Obviously Dorne could become more relevant but so could the Griffs, Iron Islands or Meribald’s dog!

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    60. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Off-topic: I would love to see Septon Meribald. Well, not really; I’d love to hear his speech. The elder brother can deliver it, if he’s in. Or anyone, really.

      As for Dorne being more cuttable than the Greyjoy uncles or Aegon, I can’t agree. Anyway, the Greyjoy storyline won’t be “cut”; it will be streamlined. Might this mean Greyjoys characters being cut? Of course. Considering Daenerys already has a fleet in the show, Victarion is not needed (if it’s that easy to cut a character and one is short of time in an adaptation, honestly… he should be cut). We might get Euron or not, but either way, until Euron’s plan, the Greyjoys are pirates harassing those who are actually playing the game of thrones, and even after that, I cannot imagine they will be that important… especially if they are cut in the show. D&D know what’s coming in the last two books; we don’t. If Euron and that whole storyline is cut, that doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant in the books, but it’s certainly not so crucial that the story cannot be told without it and him. Same with Aegon; if he isn’t cut, that probably means he’ll be important eventually, because right now he could so easily be cut.

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    61. LukaNieto,

      This. Well said.

      Out of curiosity, what do you think Doran’s real game plan will be in show canon?

      Particularly if (f)Ageon is cut. Based on the book material, I feel like there’s more to Doran’s plan than meets the eye. For instance: did Doran really expect Quentyn to succeed? I doubt it, he’s not that dumb, right?

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    62. jentario,

      Sorry but that is most anti-climatic version of possible Dorne plot i have ever seen. Jaime retrieving Myrcella might work if Jaime would stay in Dorne longer, prevent Qeenmaker as we initially thought and than calm situation with his diplomatic skills. But is that very different from what you suggested.

      In your version Jaime will go on super secret mission to rescue Myrcella, fail instantly, than ask nicely, get what he want and depart. That is as bad as Yara mission. Viewers could than ask very logical questions, like: Why he went there secretly if it was so easy? Why Cersei simply did not send a raven? Book readers could additionally ask where is Qeensmaker plot and why was this easily adaptable plot replaced with something so boring.

      Oh and writers would have to use some other reason for Jaime/Cersei break up. I am sure Jaime being emo about his sister being unfaithfull to him would work so much better then Cersei being mad at Jaime for his “failure” to bring Myrcella to safety of KL…..

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    63. GaiusB,

      yep myrcella returning to KL with jaime would certainly be interesting but doesn’t make much sense. cersei needs to be feel completely alone and depressed before her WOS so it would make much better sense for cersei to find out that myrcella has been hurt in dorne while she’s in prison like it was in ADWD. and i agree, there’s no way D&D are going to let go of a Jaime/Lancel confrontation imo, its too good drama to miss out for them.I believe that the Jaime/Cersei breakup on the show will happen because of both Myrcella and the cheating imo. also possibly Cersei being angry at Jaime for letting Tyrion free out of his cell.

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    64. LukaNieto,

      If the Maggy the Frog sequence is not the cold open for S5 (or Balon’s dive), I would want the cold open to be of Ellaria presenting RV’s remains to Doran with the Sand Snakes present. That could immediately makes us invested in the Dorne cause for S5.

      Strider,

      It is cool, but ya gotta wonder….

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    65. TheTouchOfFrost,

      I wasn’t a fan of either of the Griffs, but I enjoyed that storyline so far. With that said, I can’t see it being included in the show. There have been many signs, too many to be optimistic. And in any case the whole fake/real and history-repeats-itself elements of that storyline will be nearly impossible to explain in the TV show (much more important history has yet to be relayed to the viewers than the Dance of the Dragons, and the show is delaying it every season).

      The Greyjoys… I still have hopes that Euron can be in the show. Perhaps even in season 6, if not in season 5. I feel like D&D kept Yara on screen for a reason. Now Victarion is clearly cuttable and Aeron depends on TWOW.

      On why D&D are focusing on Dorne rather than either of the other two new storylines… The answer is simple. People expect a follow up to Oberyn’s death. This is high time to introduce Dorne. The Greyjoys can be delayed somewhat, we aren’t in sure need of some follow up yet. And the Griffs… Are cut I think, so that’s that. And if we don’t see a Euron in the show at all, I’d imagine that D&D choosing Dorne is merely because that’s the storyline that they prefer, and the characters that they prefer (though for some reason Dorne’s central character is getting the ax).

      How is Dorne important? Well, I’d say that what we saw so far was merely an introduction. Set up. First GRRM paints a picture of Doran, and then he reveals that there is much more cunning behind him. He introduces Arianne, which I’m sure will be extremely important in the coming books given that her fate is tied to the Griffs. All it was was an undone plot- but tensions are rising, Myrcella was harmed (which I doubt Cersei will forget) and early in TWOW it looks like Dorne will be backing another horse (thanks to Quentyn’s failure). And what important things have the Greyjoys done so far? A horn and a fleet, and Victarion with a super hero hand. The odds that he survives the first 100 pages of TWOW are pitiful at best, so his role essentially amounts to being a ship delivery man. The show wisely scrapped that, as they scrapped Quentyn. There are many more important characters to cast.

      What will they do with Trystane? Well I can only guess, but I think Doran doesn’t mean for him to marry Myrcella, he wants him to marry Dany. When Dany lands, Dorne will support her under an engagement with him. Kind of like how Arianne approaches Aegon, Trystane approaches Dany.

      Rant over

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    66. News Flash! The Denver Dothraki beat up GRRM’s NY Jokes at NY’s home, 31-17. With NE also beating Buffalo, Myrcella doesn’t have a chance to survive. 🙂

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    67. GaiusB,

      Use spoiler tags.

      A lot of your points are based on things we actually know for fact. I was expecting Jaime and Bronn to intercept the Queenmaker plot, but their big fight scene happens in the Water Gardens. So it looks like the Sand Snakes’ plan will be stopped before it even begins.

      Cersei didn’t send a raven because she assumed Oberyn’s death endangers Myrcella in Dorne. If some dangerous man was holding your daughter hostage, and you were a crazy and paranoid woman, would you simply ask them nicely or would you do something? Cersei’s ruling skills weren’t very good in AFFC, and I doubt they’ll be too good in the show. She doesn’t know Doran, she expects another Oberyn- and that would be very scary to her.

      And as I said, Jaime has to see the real Cersei and understand he doesn’t love that woman if he’s going to be like book Jaime. In the books Jaime learns that she’s just manipulating him when Tyrion tells him she screwed around with others while he was gone. Lancel can inform Jaime of this instead, and then Jaime won’t take any of her crap anymore. I don’t think this will just be Cersei breaking up with Jaime, it has to be the opposite. If it’s just Cersei being mad at him for not returning Myrcella, then it will be “poor Jaime, the love of his life broke up with him!” That’s not where Jaime is at the end of AFFC- Cersei asks for help, says lives are at stake and he doesn’t give a shit. He burns the letter. Will he get there in the show just because she broke up with him?

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    68. jentario:
      ArgonathofBraavos,

      I think that spot is occupied by three extremely judgemental WOTW posters that are posting utter crap about what seems to be a fairly nice person

      I concede that I am most certainly being judgmental, and that it’s not a particularly fair judgment to make (as it is based primarily on one short video clip).

      But I submit his introduction video (at 00:19) as the only evidence I have for making flimsy assertions about his character, and will let others decide on his douchebag score:

      Exhibit A:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2ri8RhSnw

      I mean, come on…one could cut that bratty arrogance with a knife! 🙂

      That said, it is perfectly possible that his persona in front of a camera is very different than his persona in private. Young people can get very odd when the spotlight’s on them.

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    69. I’m not sure I understand all the bashing of Toby Sebastian. Has anyone seen even a single second of his work as Trystane? Is this based upon a few second introduction on the casting announcement? From my perspective, of the unknowns on that announcement (in other words, not Pryce, Siddig, or Castle-Hughes), only one or two of them, again, based solely upon those blurbs, made me think…wow, I really like him/her. Is it because Sebastian is a good looking young man? Is he too “pretty -boy/model-type” looking?

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    70. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      What people here said is that he has a douchey face. So basically, they’re judging him over something he can’t control.

      And I liked them all, they all seem very nice even if they don’t fit my mental image of their characters (I’d say Keisha is the closest, but that depends on how they do her hair).

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    71. jentario,

      I did not mean Cersei will get mad at Jaime and break up with him. I ment it more Cersei will get mad and Jaime will have finally enough of her after her outburst. And after he learn about Lancel too, but i do not expect/hope it will be his main motivation for break up. That would look really bad on the show. He would look like a prick if that will happen – “i will leave my sister die because she was unfaitfull to me”.

      Qeenmaker still can be on the show. Doran just can not arrest Sand Snakes too soon. Though he would have to arrest them twice since we know Tyene and Bronn will spend some time imprisoned together after the first attack (which is strange btw. for them to be imprisoned together). Still Doran could just free them after Jaime is out of Dorne, than they could execute their plot and after it fail, Doran might tell them his plan directly without further imprisonment. Or Trystane could do Qeenmaker, there is no reason why he should be arrested for SS attack on Jaime. And he probably should be arrested for something or his role will be purely love interest for Myrcella.

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    72. GaiusB,

      It isn’t just because she cheated on him. It’s because Jaime realizes that she has been manipulating him all his life. Take a look at their scene in the season 4 finale. It’s a perfect example of her using sex to make him do what she wants. He realizes that he is just Cersei’s tool (and now he knows he isn’t her only tool, either), and he wants to stop being that.

      He realizes their love was very one-sided and that whatever feelings she had for him were gone the second he lost his hand since he ceased to be useful to her.

      And I hope you’re right that the Queenmaker plot will be included (I want to see some Dornish deserts and I would like to see Hotah being a badass), but I kind of doubt it. The information we have now seems to imply that the plan is almost ready to go when Jaime arrives, so unless they pick up where they left off after he leaves I don’t think it will happen.

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    73. jentario,

      By “bashing” I meant the comments regarding his face and winning dboy in 15 seconds, based upon that brief clip of him in the new cast intro.

      I didn’t mean to imply I didn’t like any of the “unknowns” from the new cast, based upon the introduction video, just that really only the guy playing Aero, and to some extant the guy playing Yezzan, leaped out at me for their personalities, which of course has little to do with whether they do a good job in their roles.

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    74. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      I wasn’t getting on your ass there, just stating my opinion 🙂

      But I did get on those other people’s ass because they seemed to have made their opinion on the actor and character simply because of how he looks (and I seriously don’t see anything douchey there).

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    75. jentario,

      And I wasn’t trying to sound defensive…just trying to clarify. 🙂

      I did just burn the hell out of my arm on an oven door, though (oven was at 425 degrees), so my tone may be a bit off. If so, sorry.

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    76. jentario,

      Not I. As I said, I made my admittedly flimsy judgment about Sebastian’s douchebaggery based on his introductory video, not on how he looks. His looks he can’t control. His attitude, he can (I imagine). I think it’s a feat to comes across as so full of oneself in such a short period of time, so perhaps it’s a compliment! 🙂

      This has nothing to do, however, with how well he portrays Trystane. He might be perfect for the part, for all I know.

      And in Nina Gold I generally trust!

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    77. if jaime/cersei do break up because of the cheating, i hope they don’t whitewash jaime’s feelings about wanting to hurt her. in the book jaime wants to break cersei’s teeth and rip her tongue out and he also calls her “whore” several times. that being said the whole thing about cersei manipulating jaime his entire life and him being corrupted by her vagina is such sexist bullshit i can’t even.cersei feelings towards jaime and lancel are poles apart. sure, cersei may have used beauty/sexuality sometimes to get what she wanted from jaime but that doesn’t mean she didn’t love him and have feelings for him. in AFFC he’s basically punishing her for cheating on him and is being pretty damn gross about it too considering that he talks about wanting to hurt her physically many times.also its pretty damn hard to get someone to do something from purely seduction if they didn’t want to do that thing for you at all just saying.
      ugh i always cringe so hard when i see this fandom talking about sexuality.

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    78. ArgonathofBraavos,

      I think the actors approached their videos in two different ways. Some of them didn’t plan anything, and just said what they thought. Others were probably overthinking it. Toby Sebastian included.

      If he’s a douchebag, we’ll know soon enough- when he does an interview. Let’s hold off on the insults until then.

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    79. LukaNieto,

      Think he’s gone with

      Brienne not seeming t obe wandering that way and the Quiet Island mainly being a device to show the Hound is still alive and what became of Rorge and Biter, but who knows.

      LukaNieto,

      jentario,

      For me , nothing significant happened in book Dorne. It’s starting point was Doran poised to move to support a Targ and the end point was the same. The Sand Snakes didn’t do anything of note except perhaps set off to get into position. No one cared about Arys as he was barely mentioned until going to Dorne. Nothing of great significance happened to Myrcella and Quentyne was the biggest waste of time for a character ever. Arianne seems to have a bigger part to play becoming a POV but that appears to be Trystane now but with Dany already being courted by numerous others (whereas Aegon was not for Ariannes plans) and the timelines for Trystane trying to get to meet Dany being a severe problem (I fear he’s going to be kicking his heels for a long time as she still looks no nearer to actually heading toward Westeros) , I don’t see how Trystane can fully take Ariannes role. So yeah, for me, the whole Dorne thing was the Queenmaker plot which wasn’t really that interesting anywho.
      With regards to the Greyjoys, I can see the argument Victarion can be cut but the tag of him just being a boat delivery man is far too simplistic. Let’s not forget that at the second siege of Mereen the Ironborn seem to be providing a significant moment of when the battle turns not to mention Vic is a POV character so GRRM must have some plans for him. Whether this is merged into Euron or lost completely we will see. We talking about the Greyjoys in general or Euron and Vic? In both sense they appear to be a loose cannon faction that adds some unpredictability to the storyline. Personally, I’m much more interested in seeing where they peg up and what Euron has planned than continue to read about Dany’s borefest in Mereen.
      Ultimately, it’s personal opinion but for me Dorne just isn’t interesting. But I guess that for whatever reason D&D seem to prefer them over other storylines. The effort they’re putting into making Dorne more interesting/relevant could have easily been done with other areas…possibly with less effort.

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    80. jentario,

      Cersei is a POS human being, but you implying that Jaime just loses his mind and brain cells when Cersei offers him sex and making Jaime out to be some saintly victim in the relationship is just bullshit.

      Men are very much capable of making their own decisions . Women don’t just enchant men with their vaginas. Jaime is angry at Cersei because he believes that all the fucked up shit he did before for her isn’t justified anymore because she cheated on him. It’s not as simple as poor innocent Jaime corrupted and fooled by his evil bitch temptress sister’s vagina. They’re both fucked up. Jaime was totally fine with doing things for Cersei before because he was the only man that she was sleeping with (besides Robert) obviously, now its not fine anymore because she’s slept with other people.

      the thing with Jaime is that he believes for redemption, he needs as much truthfulness as possible, but complete honesty just isn’t compatible with reality all the time. and thats where jaime’s redemption arc becomes complex instead of the usual trite redemption arcs that are presented in fiction.

      And ultimately even if a woman uses her beauty/sexuality to persuade men, they can never actually win because society is still patriarchal and sexist. and that’s demonstrated perfectly with the walk of shame.

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    81. jentario,

      Apparently sex in the storylines is not allowed to be talked about lately unless there is an accompanying lecture on female sexuality, misogyny and most men being border-line rapists!

      Before people get their knickers in a twist, I’m exagerrating to make a point.

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    82. jentario:
      ArgonathofBraavos,

      I think the actors approached their videos in two different ways. Some of them didn’t plan anything, and just said what they thought. Others were probably overthinking it. Toby Sebastian included.

      If he’s a douchebag, we’ll know soon enough- when he does an interview. Let’s hold off on the insults until then.

      Being that I have prematurely expressed unfair judgment and unkindness towards Toby Sebastian, it’s hard for me to argue with fair restraint and kindness.

      Jentario, you are a gentleman, and I concede defeat!

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    83. Jeb:
      The rain in Span falls mainly on the plains.

      Anyway, it is good that the filming info keeps rolling in. I hope there are a lot more from Spain over the next few weeks, and we get some decent glimpses of Doran, Areo and the Sand Snakes.

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    84. News Flash #2: GRRM’s Giants got crushed and Cruz is lost for the season. It looks like Wun-Wun will die and Darkstar will kill Hotah. Not a good outlook.

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    85. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Not much of an exaggeration actually.

      aurane waters,

      I never said that all Jaime’s sins are redeemed because Cersei made him do it, they aren’t. What I AM saying is that their relationship was always assymetrical. Cersei never loved Jaime as much as he loved her, and when she did it was usually because she needed him to do something for her.

      Jaime spends the entirety of ASOS thinking about Cersei and how much he loves her, meanwhile in AFFC Cersei doesn’t really think about him at all until the point where everyone else abandons her and she needs his help. All of a sudden “I love you I love you I love you”.

      It’s no secret that Cersei uses sex to manipulate men. She did it with Lancel, to make him her right hand man. She did it with Osmund Kettleblack in the books to get him to do a bunch of things for her. In my opinion, she also did it with Jaime for the most part of his life- because if she would have truly loved him, she wouldn’t have cheated on him twice without an ounce of regret nor would she have suddenly stopped loving him when she realized he lost a hand and is therefore not as useful to her as he used to be (he used to be the best warrior in Westeros, pretty much).

      The fact that Cersei enchanted men with her vagina only proves that those men were stupid, and thinking with their cocks (though Jaime was actually in love with her, so it’s not as bad) and are willing to do bad things just to get some. They share the blame with Cersei, obviously, and I never implied otherwise. But the fact is that Cersei was still manipulating them. The fact is that she never really loved Jaime (definitely not as much as she said she did)- and when Jaime realizes that, he’ll understand that she’s been manipulating him all his life (which she HAS been doing!). Then he’d want to remove her influence (and he’d probably start hating her as well, can’t blame him much).

      And this has nothing to do with women “actually winning”, a patriarchal society or the Walk of Shame.

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