Lena Headey’s body double discusses the Walk

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We’ve known since last October that Lena Headey would be using a body double for the nude scenes required by Cersei’s painful walk of atonement, after a WatchersOnTheWall source shared a Game of Thrones set report. Now in an interview with Entertainment Weekly, for the first time we learn about the filming of the walk from the point of view of the double, British-American actress Rebecca van Cleave.

The EW article confirms our initial set report that the body double was nude, while Headey wore a beige dress as she performed Cersei’s Walk.

The show’s star also compliments van Cleave’s performance, as a double does far more than simply stand-in as a lookalike body part.

“It was a long process trying to find somebody who got what it means physically to be there with all that stuff going on, and Rebecca is a great actress,” Headey tells EW. “It takes a lot to walk through the crowd naked for three days in a row with the crowd braying at you.”

Rebecca van CleaveFilming the scene was apparently as awful as it looked, with plenty of brutal parts for the actresses. “Particularly moments when I got all kinds of stuff thrown at me, with the chamber pots [being dumped out],” Van Cleave says to EW. “Then on the last day, there was a well of emotion when she’s finally getting to the end and I was getting to the end too—not in a bad way, it’s almost like being one with the character.”

As for viewers claiming that it takes something from away Lena Headey’s performance because she used a body double, van Cleave says, “I personally don’t agree with anybody who says having a body double detracts from the scene. […] Lena put her heart and soul into that scene. It should all be about the finished product, not about whose body was where and and whose head was where.”

For more of van Cleave’s thoughts, and to read comments from director David Nutter, check out the complete interview at Entertainment Weekly.

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    1. I can’t even imagine dealing with a crowd of 500 people screaming obscenities at me, or throwing things at me. Let alone being naked. She is very brave.

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    2. Obviously, it took a great deal of courage to take on a role like this, and kudos to van Cleave for working so hard with Lena Headey to get it right. The scene is wrenching enough as it is(Headey’s face as she staggers to the Red Keep’s gates), and it really isn’t about who shot what, but the emotions of the moment and whether it feels honest in the context of the show. What does matter is how hard everyone worked to get that scene right on the show.

      I hope this does open doors for Rebecca van Cleave in the future. She certainly is attractive enough. Maybe a Wildling warrior in Season 6? 🙂

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    3. I would be more than happy to stand in for NCW during his Walk of Atonement. GoT gonna go full male frontal. And I promise to make it sexy, even with all the piss, poo, and spit.

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    4. Having said all that, Van Cleave hopes her work on Thrones helps her land her a role that’s a bit more traditional. “It’s definitely the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but also the best experience of my life,” she says. “And I hope the next thing I do will have my head in it!”

      I think she has earned another role on GoT, certainly one with her head in it and some lines. I’m sure they could find some role for her next season.

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    5. As for viewers claiming that it takes something from away Lena Headey’s performance because she used a body double,….

      ….they don’t know what they are talking about.. Honestly, how can you watch that and not see Lena’s performance? And honestly how could you tell? I asked my DH afterwards if he knew there was a body double. He said no, but that it wouldn’t surprise him, and like me, he thought the scene was so harrowing that he certainly didn’t notice a difference

      Brava Rebecca! I hope this opened tons of doors for you!

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    6. Amazing work there, Rebecca Van Cleave.

      If it comes down to an Emmy for Lena Headey, I believe Rebecca should be there too.

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    7. Dave: the emotions of the moment and whether it feels honest in the context of the show.

      Well I think that’s where acting comes in. We don’t require people to actually kill or rape someone or actually have intercourse onscreen (not on GoT, despite the show’s rep). People can create the moment with their acting. That’s their job.

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    8. Kudos to the body double.
      The moment was created by both of them.
      It was an incredible scene. And the CGI was seamless

      And nothing takes away from Lena’s spectacular performance.

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    9. She looks like a young Carla Bruni Sarkozy – former 1st lady of France. Great job! She’ll always remember Dubrovnik (and they’ll always remember her too!)

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    10. Nice that she’s actually being referred to by her name and not just ‘body double’ anymore.
      Using the double didn’t detract from the scene at all in my opinion although it would be interesting to hear off Lena as to why she changed her mind (which before anyone starts bleating she is obviously entitled to do) and didn’t want to do the nudity in the scene when she previously seemed to be very keen to portray it as she thought it really added to the character and story.

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    11. It was interesting that Lena did not do the scene herself since it would have guranteed her an Emmy nomination and maybe win. But it does not make the scene any worse.

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    12. Chinoiserie,

      She will still be nominated.
      I think she still stands a chance of winning. a big chance.
      Its still amazing acting. Remember, Peter won his emmy for that simple scene w/ Shae where we reveals Tysha’s backstory.

      The acting in the scene still belongs to Lena. But @ the end of the day, the final product matters more than an award.

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    13. The scene was great. I knew about the body double and still found it difficult to spot the difference. Massive props to her for taking on this role. I don’t like being nekid in front of a mirror, let alone 500 people.

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    14. Should have paid this woman double just to play that part. I don’t know how she did. Those horrible names, them throwing things at her, and to do it all without a stitch of clothing on…

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    15. Chinoiserie:
      It was interesting that Lena did not do the scene herself since it would have guranteed her an Emmy nomination and maybe win. But it does not make the scene any worse.

      Lena did do the scene, in a body stocking, and Rebecca mimicked her body movements after. So Lena originated the performance, Rebecca did not, but nonetheless she did an excellent job.

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    16. That scene was amazing and both women did an excellent job with it. It turned out pretty much exactly how I imagined it from the book.

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    17. Aryamad:
      That scene was amazing and both women did an excellent job with it. It turned out pretty much exactly how I imagined it from the book.

      Agreed. Other than Hardhome, it was the best sequence of the season.

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    18. bekah,

      No, numerous people have said this and then numerous people have corrected them yet some keep claiming it was because her pregnancy. She was not pregnant or if she was she certainly would not be showing yet. It had nothing to do with her choice not to do nudity.

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    19. Rebecca should get an Emmy for a sterling, powerful performance, Lena having her face cgi-ed onto Rebecca’s body, not so much. Well done Rebecca, great work.

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    20. The only problem is how young she is. An important part of Cersei’s mindset is realizing that, although once the most beautiful woman in the Seven Kingdoms, when naked it is obvious that she’s sagging a bit here and there. Book Cersei is 10 or more years older than Rebecca.

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    21. KrakenDaughter:
      I hope Lena doesn’t get disqualified for an Emmy because of the extensive use of body double.

      The fact that there was more internet fan chatter about the double than about Lenas acting kinda tells you where things stand on that matter.

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    22. Rebecca is the one who deserves all the credit. She turned out to actually enjoy doing it. Let’s hope she gets the career she deserves!

      Lena.. not so much. Sure there were strong facial expressions but when glaringly obvious body double (do watch in HD) takes one out of such an iconic scene.
      This scene must have been discussed when she got the role and from early interviews it always sounded like she was going for it. Now its understandable getting naked in front of all those people can be scary but this is just lying to the viewer > it takes away the power of her performance.
      I dont really think she has done any Emmy worthy anyway this season. I have seen her do better in earlier season to be honest. I am sure she will get nominated just as i am sure she wont win. Now if she had actually done this scene… she might have had a chance.

      For everyone who thinks this is ‘ok’. Enjoy Fully CGI-ed shows 15 years from now (think Beowulf). That’s ok too?
      While its important to get the best actress for the role if this was part of the role back in S1 backing out is quite weak.
      The excuse about being pregnant isnt valid since she is due in july > nothing would have shown yet. The other excuse about ‘focusing on acting performance’ is equally shitty. Just say you were too shy and be done with it. Just be honest at least.

      Body doubles are a plague. I dont see the need (other than for medical purposes) for these atrocities. (as opposed to stunt doubles) It’s just plain lying to the viewers just because an actor (= the person that acts the role) is too shy. This shows in what kind of society we live. Simulated violence is no problem but showing a pair of boobs is?!
      Now i can understand the particular nature of this scene is quite extreme but its not like she didnt know beforehand.

      Big + for Rebecca and i hope she gets the career she deserves. She was the true star of the scene…

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    23. I agree with above comments. Anybody can sit in a soundproof booth making faces, react, react, but it takes a true actress to do the whole scene.

      It’s like Gendry and his rowing boat; if he’s done all the actual rowing for the last 3 years, Emmy material, if he’s sitting in his apartment waiting for the phone to ring whilst someone else does the rowing then it’s; Shame! Shame! Shame!.

      Well done Rebecca. Maybe you should carry on doing all Lena’s scenes for her.

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    24. Personally speaking, I felt the use of a body double did take something away from the scene for me. Or at least the way it was shot.

      I’d have preferred they edited it differently with any nudity either not shown or without the head in shot because whenever Lena’s head was pasted onto the body I could see it glaringly and it was really pulling me out of the experience.

      It was like… “Oh my god, fancy having to go through this and….. well that’s cgi. That looks terrible…. Eeew! What is that on her shoulder?! Some people are just…. her head it jiggling about on her neck! That looks awful!”

      I also think the preceding scene with the silent sisters washing her would have been better without showing any nudity. In my mind it would have made it all the more powerful when her clothes are taken from her in front of the crowd.

      Meh. It sounds like I’m being too critical but in general I really did love the scene. Lena’s performace was great, as was Rebecca Van Cleave’s. I didn’t think it went on too long as some do – I loved how it built up slowly and her disintegration matched it. And that Septa! Man, I hope she gets that bell rammed down her throat.

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    25. Ramah,

      I agree, Lena doesn’t deserve an Emmy for this scene, when mostly you could only see her head. Not to say she doesn’t deserve at least an Emmy nomination for her performance as a whole, though.

      Maisie Williams really deserves an Emmy. She did so much with so little.

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    26. I don’t agree, besides she stated there were “several reasons”, one of which to be able to act her facials at best.

      The producer also declared that there were security risks, due to her fans.

      Furthermore, she was pregnant and even if it didn’t show yet, I think that no woman would go through such a stressing experience while on her first weeks of pregnancy, let alone if you are in your fourties (fist months are the most at risk and the older you are, the riskier).

      One thing is to shoot a scene like that inside the studios, completely different is to shoot that scene on a 3 days long period and in an outdoor where literally everyone and his dog can be there (I don’t know if you’ve seen the pictures taken on the set: there were loads of fans despite the securty barriers).

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    27. How the heck did they find out the body double’s name? Was it the lovely UK tabloid press somehow getting to someone from the programme, tracking her down, and saying something like “Well if you don’t give us your side of the story we’ll print a story anyway”. (A couple of years or so ago there was a scandal about newspapers hacking celebrities’ mobile (cell) phones to find out things). That said, Ms van Cleave is an attractive lass – I hope she doesn’t become the go to person for body doubling and gets some roles in her own right.

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    28. It’s a brave thing to do to be the body double in such circumstances but having shown what she, ahem, has to offer, I think her career could lift off…

      The way the scene ended up being shot was a fair compromise between total integrity and getting the impact (“Shame!) and emotions across, IMO.

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    29. The talk about this all over media and internet is insane.And yet some of the same people type Jon’s name as “John” and so on.I couldn’t care less about how the CGI looked at Lena or how Drogon looked.I was invested in the story and the characters and that’s it.Other TV series have crap special effects yet the story can still be amazing.Sad so many people miss the point.
      But no,we are upset because Lena cheated.No.If she didn’t signed for nude scenes it’s her problem,she is paid for what it is agreed for her to do on this show.Producers wanted her and that’s it,they could have just cast someone else to begin with.It’s a problem between the two parts.Just as the body double was paid for her part.This is just real life,nothing else.

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    30. Sue the Fury: We don’t require people to actually kill or rape someone or actually have intercourse onscreen (not on GoT, despite the show’s rep). People can create the moment with their acting. That’s their job.

      While I would generally agree with that, there is a reason why you try to emulate a situation as close as possible to reality in a scene. The same way we applaud actors who do their own stunts, we applaud actors who show their own bodies. And the result is usually better.
      With stunt work the need for stuntpeople is also more obvious than the need for body doubles. Body doubles are mainly to accommodate the vanity or shame of actors, which is fine, but you don’t get as much credit then.

      Also the need for the double in this situation is obvious to everyone, but never explicitly stated, Lena didn’t want to go through that experience, and that’s ok, but it’s a pity that we get the “several reasons” line people give when they don’t want to give a reason. Of course being uncomfortable in a situation would have interfered with her acting, so it’s understandable.

      But even if you take the personal stuff out of it, the scene was a worse scene by itself for using a double. The cuts that were used telegraphed the use of a double at every moment which can be distracting especially if you already know or suspect it. And also the technology isn’t there yet to make it seamless. The face looked pasted on especially in the shots form a distance and the movement between head and body didn’t match.

      It’s not a bad scene, and most people didn’t notice, so I guess they did the best they could. From a purely CGI standpoint, this was worse than Dany flying Drogon for me, which I didn’t mind at all.

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    31. I don’t know what is the point of all this “but CGI!” talk. I don’t intend to sound condescending, but is it a “younger generation” thing? I grew up in the nineties when all CGI was quite bad. Try watching Babylon 5 and tell me what you think. I couldn’t care less about some supposedly iffy special effects. That’s literally the last thing I worry about in a TV show. If it bothers you… well, maybe watch some older SF classics and you may get a change of perspective.

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    32. To be clear myself on that scene:

      I didn’t notice any jarring CGI on either the first or second viewing. (EDIT: The Daenerys riding Drogon scene took me out of the show right away, for comparison’s sake.) I was pleasantly surprised by the scene. It was an incredibly powerful and intense one (a highpoint in the finale).

      BUT, knowing what I now know (also noticing a slightly curious neckline on later viewings), it’d be very unfortunate if all praise (and yes, that scene, when it comes to acting, only got praise as far as I can tell) went only to Lena. The two women worked it together. And while the final effect of the scene isn’t really diminished for me by Rebecca being there, it could have become even more if Lena did it alone.

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    33. It’s an interesting discussion – does the use of a body double in any way undermine or devalue Lena’s acting in this scene?

      I can see both sides but I’m inclined to say no, but with a caveat. The reason I’d say no is that there are plenty of examples of actors who have used prosthetics to cover their face or body. Indeed one could argue (although I wouldn’t agree with this either) that having your face entirely covered (a la John Hurt in The Elephant Man) calls into question the ‘amount’ of acting we can truly evaluate compared to a ‘normal’ performance much more than using a body double.

      The caveat comes when we think about how we evaluate and measure acting ability (e.g. for awards such as Emmys), and that is a very subjective thing. Ultimately the scene worked in its intended way with its intended impact for the vast majority for viewers. But the question arises – who should we credit for that? Lena AND Rebecca? 75% Lena, 25% Rebecca? Just Lena? Goodness knows. Personally I’d be inclined to credit them both, but weighted more towards Lena. But does it detract from her Emmy chances? Based on evaluating it in this way, I would have to say yes.

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    34. Mr Fixit:
      I don’t know what is the point of all this “but CGI!” talk. I don’t intend to sound condescending, but is it a “younger generation” thing? I grew up in the nineties when all CGI was quite bad. Try watching Babylon 5 and tell me what you think. I couldn’t care less about some supposedly iffy special effects. That’s literally the last thing I worry about in a TV show.

      I find dodgy CGI doesn’t take me “out of the moment” as much as suddenly being jerked out at the end of a scene for a long and annoying ad break (Sky Atlantic, totally ruining The Purple Wedding grrr!).

      CGI is used so much now that I just go along with it, knowing it’s hard to differentiate between what’s real and CGI anyway, no matter how good/bad the CGI is.

      And yes Babylon 5 had notoriously ropey CGI back then (which looks even worse on the DVD transfer), but if you are caught up in the drama it hardly matters.

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    35. Thanks for posting the link to the old article. I enjoyed reading how fabulously wrong some of the old speculation was in the comments, especially those with a cocksure tone. Maybe over the off season TWOW staff can go back through old comments and pull out some really wrong and rude speculation and do a “Post of Shame”. It might result in people being nicer and less trolly this year if they know there might be consequences.

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    36. I don’t really get the complaints about a body double and how it made the scene “less real” than naked Lena Headey. It’s like seeing dragons or the white walkers in the show and going “wait a moment those aren’t real that’s it this sucks”

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    37. Honestly, if Lena–or anyone else for that matter–was feeling shy, is there anything wrong with that? Shy people exist, and it’s time that society accepts that. This isn’t one of the cases of people accepting violence but being disgusted by nudity: what it is are personal feelings regarding comfort and privacy, and that’s something that’s simply different for everyone. As Sue the Fury pointed out, the actors don’t actually kill each other or have sex with each other on camera–hell, most of them aren’t even using their real hair. I understand that we live in a society that favors extroversion, but truth is that we can’t control what actors feel comfortable with any more than we control what the person sitting next to us in comfortable with.

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    38. This don´t belong here but its GOT season 6 related…

      On Sophie Turners instagram there is this picture:

      https://instagram.com/p/1SnbfjKolB/?taken-by=sophiet

      Her comment is:
      <blockquote>sophietSo so so pumped for #outlook2015 this summer @outlookfestival

      That festival is in Pula, Croatia on 02-06 September the time in which GOT is usually filming. So this means Sansa heads back to Kings Landing?

      Sophie would be in Ireland in that time if Sansa was to stay in the North or go back to the Vale…

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    39. If Lena wins an emmy, it will be for her portion of acting in the scene.
      Its never just a single actor who makes a scene. Its always a collaborative effort between all the cast and crew.

      Dinklage got an emmy for a conversation with Sibel. Does that mean Sibel needs the emmy as well. She contributed to the scene as much as Dinklage did.

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    40. HelloThere:
      If Lena wins an emmy, it will be for her portion of acting in the scene.
      Its never just a single actor who makes a scene.Its always a collaborative effort between all the cast and crew.

      Dinklage got an emmy for a conversation with Sibel.Does that mean Sibel needs the emmy as well.She contributed to the scene as much as Dinklage did.

      No this is different. Dinklage’s performance was entirely his own whereas Headey’s was not. As I said above, trying to determine what % of that performance should be credited to Lena and what % to Rebecca – I don’t know how you’d do that. Again it’s not a case of detracting away from Lena Headey’s performance, which was superb, but having to acknowledge the performance of the body double Rebecca – as Lena gracefully does in the article. We have to give her some credit surely. Which makes it a hybrid performance. Which then colours the waters in assessing Headey’s own performance in that scene.

      It is a complex one. As I said before, overall I’d say this doesn’t invalidate the quality of her performance. It just makes it a bit more complicated in terms of awarding her a prize based largely on that scene.

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    41. hodor:
      I don’t really get the complaints about a body double and how it made the scene “less real” than naked Lena Headey. It’s like seeing dragons or the white walkers in the show and going “wait a moment those aren’t real that’s it this sucks”

      If there were real dragons and White Walkers in the world then I’d expect a real dragon or White Walker to do the scene, and as someone else pointed out, if Lena had done the scene herself there’d have been money left in the budget for direwolves and snow spiders. I feel cheated. No Emmy for Lena, let’s start a petition.

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    42. HelloThere:
      Ross,

      Complicated stuff, lol

      Whatever.. Genius scene, brilliant work from both
      *done*

      Erm… OK. I don’t think anyone disagrees it’s a great scene with great work from both. That’s a given.

      It’s a discussion (which is interesting to me at least) about how you start to evaluate an individual performance for Emmy nomination (as mentioned by yourself and others) which has been digitally manipulated and combines performances of two people. I don’t think it’s particularly clear-cut and is at least worthy of discussion.

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    43. Ross,

      Yea I get it.

      Maybe they will submit “The Gift” rather than Mothers Mercy.
      But I’d still say Lena’s expressions in “Mother’s Mercy” top her work in “The Gift”

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    44. I don’t understand those who make a comment dissing Lena Heady. Saying if she didn’t want to do it why take the role or why cast someone who has a “no nudity” clause or who change their minds? Does a 5 minute walk (on screen time) change 5 seasons of great acting from Lena Heady?

      Many actors use doubles in motion pictures. It would be an interesting study to go back in time to what females have won Oscars or Emmys but had a double at some point in the show.

      Regarding the level of the CGI ….. from my television and I have HD very large LG flat screen…..I have watched this episode around 10 times and the CGI is barely noticed, mostly it looks flawless. One way that I knew that it wasn’t Lena Heady (besides it being telegraphed all over the planet ahead of time) was because she had a nude scene in 300 and that isn’t her body in last Sunday’s Walk of Shame.

      For those hyper critical, I defy you to do this sort of acting and watch you collect your Emmy for it!!

      I thought it was amazing and even as of last night watching very closely again, it was difficult to tell the CGI with only one or two exceptions. Totally keeps me in the moment and when I think of the scene, I don’t think automatically “body double”, I think amazing job.

      Rebecca van Cleave. You rocked it!! I hope you get some really great job offers because of it.

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    45. JonSnow25:
      Happy Hodor,

      Please tell me you are joking and you aren’t actually that fucking stupid,you know that saying,never go full retard !

      No….just no. I don’t know that saying and anyone who uses it is vulgar and not thinking about those of mental incapacity or family of that they are insulting. Just stop.

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    46. HelloThere:
      They should cast Rebecca for some other role in the series now

      A role that involves a nude scene! So that when people see her naked body again, they can start dreaming up elaborate theories that Cersei is in fact a Faceless Woman! We’d have our own show-exclusive version of Daario=Euron or High Sparrow=Howland Reed! Make it so, D&D!

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    47. JCDavis,

      Oh,stop with this PC shit,you are on the internet in case you didn’t know,if you are so easily offended then get the fuck out ! I’m not going to censor myself for you or anyone else,do you understand ?

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    48. Mr Fixit,

      She could body double for Varys
      I’ve seen plenty of theories out there that Varys is a woman…. yup…

      JonSnow25,

      But what happiness do u gain from using the word retard ,lol.
      The internet is a free place I guess

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    49. JCDavis,

      Agreed. Julia Roberts used a body double in Pretty Woman, and received an Academy Award nomination for it, and then ended up winning the Oscar for another film later on.

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    50. Lena 100% deserves the Emmy this year for an overall great season and especially the Walk of Shame scene.. When you watch the scene… whose face and expressions do you remember and carry with you? Lena’s ofcourse… from the start how she kept dignified . to the middle when she falls to the ground then finally when she breaks down upon entering the Keep.. its all Lena’s magic which brought life to the scene… not taking anything away from the body double.. ofcourse the scene could not be possible without her .. but if you look at her performance overall .. only Lena could have done this the way she did it .. the confession… when she’s not being completely honest.. then suddenly being overcome by emotion thanking the High sparrow before she finds out about her atonement.. it was magic .. hats off to Lena for an incredible performance .. for the entire season .. the transition from the proud Queen from the premiere episode.. when she’s attending the funeral to the end .. just look at the contrast of her performance..

      Lastly.. As Lena herself stated.. the reasons for her choosing to go with the body double were many …

      off the top of my head
      She is slightly flat chested..
      body covered in tattoos
      being butt naked in front of 500 extras for 4 days is something she was simply not willing to do…
      so cut her some slack…
      she has a terrific figure but maybe not as perfect as someone would imagine Queen Cersei’s to be without clothes… so I think choosing a body double was the only way to go…

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    51. I thought the scene was great. My only complaint was the obviously 20 yr old body on an obviously not 20 yr old character. That is not a body that gave birth to three children.

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    52. Motherofmadness,

      I was actually quite surprised that they picked a body double with a great body.
      In the books, Cersei doesn’t want people to notice that she is imperfect. She has aged breasts, stretch marks, a wine belly. The artifice of her being the most beautiful queen ever gets stripped from her.
      But whatever, it hardly matters.
      Rebecca’s body still isn’t the typical hollywood perfect body like Tyene or Dany

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    53. HelloThere:
      Motherofmadness,

      I was actually quite surprised that they picked a body double with a great body.
      In the books, Cersei doesn’t want people to notice that she is imperfect.She has aged breasts, stretch marks, a wine belly.The artifice of her being the most beautiful queen ever gets stripped from her.
      But whatever, it hardly matters.
      Rebecca’s body still isn’t the typical hollywood perfect body like Tyene or Dany

      I think using a perfect, young body is about as brave as HBO is going to get when it regards female nudity. That was the only thing that took me out of the scene. It was such a lovely, young body and not a thickening around the middle, stretch-marked, sagging breasts body of a woman who has had three children without benefit of modern gyms! When I originally heard they were going to use a body double, I hoped it was because Lena’s body was too good!

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    54. HelloThere,

      Possibly. Maybe it dawned on her when they started making plans for shooting it. As I remember I think they cast Rebecca pretty late. perhaps some misplaced bravado by Miss Headey?

      bekah,

      At that stage I doubt it would have affected her physically. Mentally though? Who knows.

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    55. Motherofmadness:
      Lena 100% deserves the Emmy this year for an overall great season and especially the Walk of Shame scene.. When you watch the scene… whose face and expressions do you remember and carry with you? Lena’s ofcourse… from the start how she kept dignified . to the middle when she falls to the ground then finally when she breaks down upon entering the Keep.. its all Lena’s magic which brought life to the scene… not taking anything away from the body double.. ofcourse the scene could not be possible without her .. but if you look at her performance overall .. only Lena could have done this the way she did it .. the confession… when she’s not being completely honest.. then suddenly being overcome by emotion thanking the High sparrow before she finds out about her atonement.. it was magic .. hats off to Lena for an incredible performance .. for the entire season .. the transition from the proud Queen from the premiere episode.. when she’s attending the funeral to the end .. just look at the contrast of her performance..

      Lastly.. As Lena herself stated.. the reasons for her choosing to go with the body double were many …

      off the top of my head
      She is slightly flat chested..
      body covered in tattoos
      being butt naked in front of 500 extras for 4 days is something she was simply not willing to do…
      so cut her some slack…
      she has a terrific figure but maybe not as perfect as someone would imagine Queen Cersei’s to be without clothes… so I think choosing a body double was the only way to go…

      This.

      I totally agree.
      The look on Lena face qhe she finally reached the Red Keep, full of hate and revenge…
      And her previous performance in the season, she was simply great!

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    56. Mr Fixit:
      I don’t know what is the point of all this “but CGI!” talk. I don’t intend to sound condescending, but is it a “younger generation” thing? I grew up in the nineties when all CGI was quite bad. Try watching Babylon 5 and tell me what you think. I couldn’t care less about some supposedly iffy special effects. That’s literally the last thing I worry about in a TV show. If it bothers you… well, maybe watch some older SF classics and you may get a change of perspective.

      Yeah! I don’t know if any of you have watched some of the “twilight zone” episodes or the “invasion of the nody snatchers” ( the original 1978 with Donald Sutherland), but I assure yout that the lacking quality of special effects doesn’t dectract a thing from them, you’ll enjoy them all the same 🙂

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    57. Dandelion:
      That body double deserves an EMMY more than Lena.

      The body double just pu in her body, but the actual acting of Lena was great.
      Her looks all over the scene were the most important thing.

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    58. I say she shouldn’t win any awards. It’s kind of cheating. Its certainly taken away from the artistry or persuit of the craft of acting.

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    59. Personally, if Lena wins an Emmy, I think it should be for the episode she was arrested in. It was a much better representation of her talents than the finale, in my opinion.

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    60. JCDavis,

      It’s a well-known line from a very popular movie. That said, as you know, those who can’t manage to post without constantly attacking other people don’t tend to last too long.

      bostondave,

      Well, fortunately those who vote for the Emmys know more about the “artistry and pursuit of the craft of acting” than you appear to know. In fact, given Lena was able to convey what she conveyed in that scene without the experience of being fully nude and having things hurled at her is an even greater testament to what fantastic work she did.

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    61. Motherofmadness:

      she has a terrific figure but maybe not as perfect as someone would imagine Queen Cersei’s to be without clothes… so I think choosing a body double was the only way to go…

      One of the major points of the scene was that Cersei doesn’t have a perfect body anymore. I guess that the show didn’t go that way because we don’t get anything less than attractive nudity from the main characters?

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    62. Its cheating having someone else play your scenes for you. Unless of course they involve some imminent physical danger. She wouldn’t get my nod.

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    63. bostondave,

      Using a body-double is not having someone else “play your scenes for you,” but since that’s how you seem to want to view it, knock yourself out.

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    64. Pretty much is quite literally exactly having someone else play your role. Its not you. Its someone else’s body. Thats pretty much literally it. Granted in this case its a bit more complicated because one could argue Headley’s face was superimposed on the body of the person playing her role. But the fact still remains what it literally is.

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    65. Lena deserves the nomination and the win. I see why she didn’t want to do the nudity – it was an open set and there were far more people present than usual for nude scenes. If they had gone the route of having her do the nudity but using CGI for the crowds, I’m not sure that it would have had the same impact especially in regards to her facial expressions.

      At least Rebecca van Cleve is getting the credit she deserves for her contribution to the scene. I remember when Black Swan came out and Natalie Portman talked a lot about how much time she spent training for the dance sequences. It came out after she won the Oscar that she had a double that did most of the dance scenes. She did some of the close up facial shots, but it was the trained dancer double that did the footwork and full body shots. The double was Sarah Lane, a soloist with the American Ballet Theatre. Portman’s face was CGI’d onto Lane’s body for the film. Portman won the Oscar but I’m not sure if she would have if Lane had come forward earlier. The ballet training was a key part of Portman’s campaign.

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    66. Sansarya,

      I didn’t know there was a body double until after I watched it, but I wish they used someone closer to the age of irl Lena or Cersei. I wouldv’e liked for a mother-of-3 character portrayed more realistically, as we already have unrealistic expectations of how women in their late 30’s/early 40’s are supposed to look like.

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