Jeremy Podeswa talks Emmy nominations, Jon Snow and season six

Sansa and Theon

In a new interview with GoldDerby Game of Thrones director Jeremy Podeswa discusses his Emmy nomination for “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken,” as well as teasing a little of season six, and the fate of Jon Snow.

It might have been the most controversial episode of season five, but “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken” is up for an Emmy.  In this webcam chat, director Jeremy Podeswa gives some of his thoughts on the episode.  As well as listing the introduction the House of Black and White and character moments between Cersei and Olenna, and Jorah and Tyrion as some of his proudest moments, he discusses crafting the scenes leading up to Sansa’s fateful wedding night.  He notes that there had to be:

[A] certain sensitivity in dealing with the actors on the set as well as trying to understand how viewers are going to receive it. We always knew from an audience point of view it was a very difficult scene because the audience of the show has really grown up with Sansa, and there’s a lot of investment in the character.

Talking about season six, for which he will shoot two episodes, Podeswa goes on to say:

This show is ambitious even for itself.  Every season they’re trying to top what they’ve done before and offer new worlds and show new things and new locations which are spectacular.

Naturally the interview can’t end without the inevitable “Is Jon Snow really dead?” question:

 I’ve got nothing, watch the show it’s going to be great. Jon Snow’s death was another huge storytelling thing. It’s the definition of a cliff-hanger: where does the story go from here?

Check out the whole thing below, or read more on the interview here.

 

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    1. Great interview. He seems likeable and self-effacing. Obviously he can’t say much about S6 but I like hearing that there will be some new character interactions again this year.

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    2. I though this was a interesting interview, sort of felt sorry for Podeswa when the Jon Snow question came up, but he gave the answer that D&D should have said “watch the show” However, immediately dodging the question ‘no comment’ plus referring it as a cliff hanger seemingly confirms what we all suspected.

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    3. Mieux,

      intervieweur demande à propos de la réaction des fans à propos de Jon Snow à laquelle Podeswa répond « pas de commentaire » et « regarder le spectacle ‘
      dit-il en souriant ces , donc je pense qu’il évitait les questions Jon Snow becuase je pense qu’il sait qu’il est de retour .

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    4. and offer new worlds and show new things and new locations which are spectacular

      This makes me so happy! 😀

      The interviewer’s voice comes across in this vid as a bit screechy to me; is it only my PC? But Podeswa sounds fine.

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    5. Oh he’s just a young pup, isn’t he?

      Tyrion and Jorah, and the Godswood wedding scenes were fantastic. I’ll move my grumpy “But….but…Hardhome!” over.

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    6. The Dragon Demands:
      No defense or explanation for the Sand Snakes fight scene.

      What did you expect? We already know it sucked. We know why it sucked and it’s fine to remind people of how much it sucked because it sucked hard. But just like GM isn’t going to apologize for fucking off the books, HBO isn’t going to apologize for the Sand Snakes. Probably.

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    7. Sue the Fury,

      In my experience, he hasn’t proven to be one to ‘let go.’ He is more of a “I am entitled to and demand an explanation, right now!” kind of guy.

      What defense or explanation does the scene need, anyway? If asked, I’m sure Podeswa would say he’s proud of the whole cast and crew for working hard to make the best of the situation —despite the limited time on set and having to cover too many ‘hero’ characters fighting at the same time, among other issues inherent with that scene. All of which is technically true while remaining diplomatic about the scene.

      I mean, The Dragon Demands, what could Podeswa possibly say to satisfy you? I’m really asking. Maybe you just want a really big quote to further enlarge your untouchable personal project in the wiki about the fight, whose only purpose seems to disparage everyone involved. If every editor embarked in their own vanity projects like you do (currently a whole flipping text about “rape in medieval times and the Game of Thrones world” —I’m not kidding, people), the wiki would be a cesspool. Except of course that kind of thing is edited out… except when you do it, of course. You’re never wrong.

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    8. I thought the Sansa wedding scene and the ‘bedding’ was one of the most frightening and brilliantly acted scenes of the series.

      Alfie Allen killed it, I really felt bad for him and Sansa.

      I can see why it is nominated.

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    9. Well. This comment section will teach anyone to think twice before ever criticising the show on this site.

      PS- let’s never forget the Sand Snakes are an abomination worse than even the Dreadfort scene.

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    10. Chriss:
      Well. This comment section will teach anyone to think twice before ever criticising the show on this site.

      I don’t get it. Show your work.

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    11. Chriss,

      Nope, it’s more people saying “we get it, we heard you already.” And many of us have a bone to pick with TDD given how he editorializes on his wiki (when wikis are, you know, supposed to be objective…) and how he reveres a certain pair of AFOIAF-admins as if they were benevolent figures in the fandom and not toxic, scheming ghouls. 🙂

      So it’s just all of that coming to the fore, rather than some sort of moratorium on criticising the show. If you’d seen the comments here after the scene aired you’d know that. There was no shortage of griping. It’s just that that was months ago now, so there’s no point going on with endless retreads about it and using it to talk shit about Podeswa.

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    12. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      Exactly. Which is why the weary reaction to its being brought up again. We’re not saying, “How dare he criticise the scene?” It’s more of a “Seriously, dude? Again?” type situation.

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    13. He is a amazing Director, He has no fault about the script in ep 6 and that ´´fight´´ with the sand snakes.

      his shots are amazing well filmed.

      -Dany burning the masters
      – all the weddindg of sansa
      – the hall of faces
      -At the final of episode 5, the shots of Tyrion and Jorah at the beach are amazing.
      -The shots os valyria
      -The shots of olenna arriving in Kings landing

      etc

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    14. Cumsprite: You owe him awe.

      Awwwwww…

      So, perhaps it’s just because I have some experience with the process of fight choreography, but it’s pretty easy to understand what probably happened with that fight scene…why it ended up being a bit lackluster, especially for those who were anticipating it.

      During the rehearsal process, the choreography is learned and practiced within the dimensions of the area where it will be shot. While I’m sure it’s happened before, it is damn near unheard of for some adjustment not to have to be made one you’re in the space where it’s being filmed. Now, imagine you have a very limited time to shoot, plus you’re suddenly in this UNESCO World Heritage location, not to mention with some rather large weapons like a whip and a spear. Maybe you’re used to your feet not going outside the dimensions, but not necessarily your arms or weapons. If they go outside those dimensions at the UNESCO World Heritage site, there;s change of damaging something, even if it’s say, something like a single tile. Usually, that would be no big deal, but where they were, it would be a huge deal. My guess is they realized they had a lot of stuff they had to reblock to ensure nothing had any possibility of being damaged, thus decreasing the space in which they’d been used to rehearsing. When you’re dealing with any kind of fight choreography, but especially when weapons are involved, even a tiny change is actually kind of big. With such limited time to shoot, therefore limited time to adjust and rehearse the adjustments, things aren’t going to look how they were originally intended. Mind you, that’s my guess, but a fairly educated one, and one on which I’d put some money.

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    15. Nymeria Warrior Queen: Awwwwww…

      So, perhaps it’s just because I have some experience with the process of fight choreography, but it’s pretty easy to understand what probably happened with that fight scene…why it ended up being a bit lackluster, especially for those who were anticipating it.

      During the rehearsal process, the choreography is learned and practiced within the dimensions of the area where it will be shot.While I’m sure it’s happened before, it is damn near unheard of for some adjustment not to have to be made one you’re in the space where it’s being filmed.Now, imagine you have a very limited time to shoot, plus you’re suddenly in this UNESCO World Heritage location, not to mention with some rather large weapons like a whip and a spear.Maybe you’re used to your feet not going outside the dimensions, but not necessarily your arms or weapons.If they go outside those dimensions at the UNESCO World Heritage site, there;s change of damaging something, even if it’s say, something like a single tile.Usually, that would be no big deal, but where they were, it would be a huge deal.My guess is they realized they had a lot of stuff they had to reblock to ensure nothing had any possibility of being damaged, thus decreasing the space in which they’d been used to rehearsing.When you’re dealing with any kind of fight choreography, but especially when weapons are involved, even a tiny change is actually kind of big.With such limited time to shoot, therefore limited time to adjust and rehearse the adjustments, things aren’t going to look how they were originally intended.Mind you, that’s my guess, but a fairly educated one, and one on which I’d put some money.

      My thoughts on that scene have always been exactly this. I don’t know why this isn’t made more clear more often, especially when its pretty obvious.

      They had a week to film everything in the Alcazar, IIRC, and probably hours for this scene, whereas similarly complex scenes like this in the past probably have had days or weeks. Additionally, they can destroy all the shit the want on the Quarry sets and pay no mind to any damage, but seriously, risking damage to a UNESCO site would be like firing bullet holes into the actual Mona Lisa in some action movie just because it would make a scene look more realistic.

      Maybe such a logical explanation should be incorporated into the wiki. BTW, there is irrelevant text on Arthur Dayne and Bryden Rivers pages that should probably be updated, given what we know of Season 6. Great wiki though!

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    16. HouseMartellBitches,

      I think that’s a fairly logical explanation. Not an excuse, but an explanation. I have a feeling the producers got so happy they were allowed to even shoot in the Water Gardens, they overlooked the limitations they were under and how it would affect the final product. In the end, everything there looked so rushed, they didn’t even do the architecture justice. Hopefully, in the future, they won’t be similarly enraptured by a location, and just goes for what looks and works best.

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    17. Totally off topic…

      Just had the Dark Saison Ommegang beer…not so great.

      The blonde and the stout I think are my favorites still.

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    18. Chriss,

      No offence, mate, but that particular topic has been discussed and discussed ad nauseam here and everywhere. Most people here don’t want to see this site turning into a cesspool of madness like Westeros.org.

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    19. RhymesWithWeak:
      Totally off topic…

      Just had the Dark Saison Ommegang beer…not so great.

      The blonde and the stout I think are my favorites still.

      The “Valar Morghulis” Dubbel Ale and “Take the Black” Stout have been my favorites so far, though I can’t say I’ve disliked any of them.

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    20. Great interview! S5E6 was heart wrenching and horrifying to watch… and thoroughly well acted (Sand Snakes notwithstanding). I have no problem with Podeswa being nominated for this episode.

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    21. I saw the whole interview, and I have to say that it discouraged me enough for sixth season .

      I really like the way to shoot of jeremy , but what he said and how he said of the sixth season let me down .

      he too praised the fifth season , and practically said that the sixth will follow the fifth , and the sixth to be ANOTHER good season GOT .

      and I do not want to even remotely a new ”fifith season”. It was not bad, but not even close of the fourth season for example.

      I expected him talking super excited the next season, which would be much better than the fifth , but he just said it will be good as the others.

      I can say that I am very frustrated. The writing the fifth season was not the best , and DD were writing the sixth season while the fifth was in the air , then they should not have corrected the bad writing and that this very worrying now.

      The fourth season the interviews were so exciting , DD and directors spoke excited the season that was to come spoke that each episode would have an incredible climax ,they were noticeably excited.

      I did not see any of this to season five , and I’m not seeing in season six. =(

      I am more worried than ever.

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    22. Enough of the Jon Snow question already. We all know he’s dead the question is weather or not he’s coming back. They have already asked Kit, D&D, and half the cast. Are they gonna start asking extras, the editors, the make up artists. Enough with this question already will get our answer in season 6.

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    23. Luka Nieto,

      Haha, I read that wiki entry. Just a huge wall of text with ONE! — read it again: one! — citation in the whole enormous section on rape in GoT and how it differs from ASoIaF. What that has to do with objective encyclopedic entries is anyone’s guess. That “wiki” too often reads as the personal fiefdom of a certain someone who is using it for promoting personal agenda.

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    24. Mr Fixit,

      What do you expect? that guy worships linda.

      and the wiki is a joke. he turned the wiki into his own blog, where he cand freely throw insults left and right. It’s completly a one sided wiki, filled with very sad and bitter people, who take the fact that the show passed the books, as a personal insult.

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    25. I for one agree, the problem, with Dorne was the location. It was beatifull, but, I may say, too beatifull. A UNESCO World Heritige site is no joke, you can’t do what you want there. It’s a national monument for god’s sake.

      I will not write allot about the acting, as i tought it was good: Doran was good, Ellaria was good,…etc.
      I will say it again, what we need is more Dorne, more scenes, more time to know the characters.

      I will not even criticize the changes, as i don’t judge the show by the books, but by its own, and i think with Dorne they did a very modest work. I would myself give it a 6/10, because we got way to little time here.
      The change of Ellaria just proves that her character in the books is absolutly not essential to the story. So they merged her with Arrianne. So whats the point to yell and rage when she clearly is not Ellaria from the books, they never tried to do har that way.

      The SS bad acting? what acting, they had like 3 lines. I need to be a complete idiot to insult a person with 3 min of screen-time. The acting I think was fine, with what we got. Like the prison scene, in that scene I really got that they where Oberyn’s girls. Of course they are not as good as Oberyn, but i never think they tried that, not DD, not GRRM.
      Sorry but i had to get this off my chest.

      O.T.: Nice interview, liked the episode and hope he does well, at the Emmies.
      P.S. Sorry for any writing mistakes, just woke and i have a hangover. 🙂

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    26. The Dragon Demands:
      No defense or explanation for the Sand Snakes fight scene.

      Well I wouldn’t expect him to bite the hand that feeds him.

      This isn’t particularly aimed at you Dragon but I saw there were a couple of history and lore videos on YouTube (I think they were from the season 4 Blu-rays/DVDs) in which Pedro Pascal in character as Oberyn narrates – one is about poisons but the other is about the history of House Martell and it mentions the fact that the ruler’s eldest child in the Dornish royal house becomes either prince or princess on his/her ruling parent’s death irrespective of whether he/she is male or female.

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    27. What was wrong with the Sand Snakes fight scene? Am I misssing something? It served its purpose to move the story along. If because that it happened in broad daylight is what is getting peoples panties in a bunch, then I dont know what to say. Maybe get over it? Go take a cold shower? Eat a dick? I will think of something.

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    28. Rygar,

      i personally don’t think it was bad at all, but i’m not an expert.
      it did its job, a poor tought plan, that failed quckly, just like in the books.

      while the SS where arrested earlier in the books, in the show they combined the SS’s imprisonment with Arrianne/Ellaria’s plan.

      there is a certain scene missing, but i belive they will do something similar in season 6.

      There has to be a certain amount of ”coincidance”, in my opinion, for the story to even exist. So the fact that the SS and Jaime meet at the same time does not bother me.

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    29. The thing is: this is a fun, entertaining, fantastical show adapted from fun, entertaining fantastical novels. Have a good time with it. The minute you attempt to make either one, the show or the books, more than what they really are, is when you may start feeling some sort of negativity toward them.

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    30. Rygar,

      I completly agree. I love the show, and while i do see some inconsistancies from time to time, i don’t let them dimish my exitment for this great show.
      I truly think GOT wil go down in history, i can think of no other show that makes me and my friends gather at my place, to watch it toghether.

      The same with the books, many people criticizied AFFC and ADWD, while i agree with quite allot of them, It did not make me stop wanting TWOW.

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    31. Sergio:
      I saw the whole interview, and I have to say that it discouraged me enough for sixth season .

      I really like the way to shoot of jeremy , but what he said and how he said of the sixth season let me down .

      he too praised the fifth season , and practically said that the sixth will follow the fifth , and the sixth to be ANOTHER good season GOT .

      and I do not want to even remotely a new ”fifith season”. It was not bad, but not even close of the fourth season for example.

      I expected him talking super excited the next season, which would be much better than the fifth , but he just said it will be good as the others.

      I can say that I am very frustrated.The writing the fifth season was not the best , and DD were writing the sixth season while the fifth was in the air , then they should not have corrected the bad writing and that this very worrying now.

      The fourth season the interviews were so exciting , DD and directors spoke excited the season that was to come spoke that each episode would have an incredible climax ,theywere noticeably excited.

      I did not see any of this to season five , and I’m not seeing in season six. =(

      I am more worried than ever.

      If you think anyone associated with the show would comment that a season or episode was poorly done, at least while the show is still airing, you don’t understand how this works.

      I suspect that most of the people who work on the show disagree with people who thought Season 5 was terrible. But I also suspect many of them are unhappy with certain parts — it happens. But they are never going to talk about it.

      Projecting how good the upcoming season is going to be from interviews is kind of pointless.

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    32. My page a day calendar quote for 19-August

      Remember Old Nan’s stories, Bran. Remember the way she told them, the sound of her voice. So long as you do that, part of her will always be alive in you.
      -Meera Reed -A Storm of Swords

      As a bonus I’m including my favorite Quote of the series (since I looked through the whole calendar and it is not there.):

      “May the Others bugger your Lord of Light, and wipe his arse with that rag you bear.”
      -Ser Cortnay Penrose -A Clash of Kings

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    33. Mihnea,

      Knock it off. There are no personal attacks allowed here. You have problems with how Dragon runs the GoT wiki, take that over to the GoT wiki.

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    34. Okay, so we already knew that Podeswa was directing Ep601/602, but now we know he’s shooting in four Spanish locals. The obvious one is Girona, standing in for Braavos, but also for Oldtown. Than what’s left? Alméria, Navarre, Peñiscola, Zafra, Santa Florentina and Mésa Roldan?

      We know Zafra is ToJ, will we see it in the first two episodes? Could be. But perhaps the writers want Bran to have visions to lead up to the reveal, start of with young Ned, than work towards ToJ.

      My guess would be that we won’t see Santa Florentina just yet, though they do have quite a few days to film there, so who knows what that location will stand in for? Hornhill to me seems most likely, but Sam is going to Oldtown, would he land in Oldtown

      and than drop off Gilly and than go back, or will he travel by land and go through Hornhill to arrive in Oldtown later in the early stages of S6?

      In which case I could see it being one of Podeswa’s 4 Spanish locations. The castell has a beautiful courtyard, so perhaps the Red Keep courtyard? But I don’t see that as likely, as Lena probably won’t start shooting just yet and I wouldn’t expect any of the other KL-characters out and about in the courtyard either, Tommen keeps to his room and both the Tyrells are in “Baelor’s Sept Dungeon”. Jaime wouldn’t bring the news of Myrcella’s death to Kevan in a courtyard either. So, while it may be used for KL, I don’t see it as likely for episodes 6.01 and 6.02.

      Navarre and Alméria look like rugged lands either in Dorne or Essos. Both landscapes imply that there will be large aerial shots to take advantage of the beautiful stretched out landscapes. Which implies armies to me. Will we see Doran amass an army in the first two episodes to go to war, when he probably doesn’t even know of Myrcella’s death, unless the ship turned round? Doesn’t make sense to happen in the first two episodes. Than there’s Dothraki potential, but

      Emilia was seen filming in the grassy valleys of NI, so she wouldn’t be displaced that rapidly to the more arid landscapes I’d reckon. Than there’s Meereen, would we see a siege there? Who knows. In the first two episodes would be really soon for such a battle to be both set-up and executed, when the leaked casting script/whatever with Kinvara doesn’t imply that Tyrion managed to get the city through a siege.

      Than there’s Peniscola and Mésa Roldan, of which I have no clue. But that “four” number is teasing.

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    35. Mieux,

      En français: je n’ai rien à dire, regardez la série, ce sera formidable. La mort de Jon Snow est un autre grand moment de narration. C’est la définition même du suspense. Dans quelle direction l’histoire va-t-elle maintenant se diriger?

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    36. Nymeria Warrior Queen: Awwwwww…

      So, perhaps it’s just because I have some experience with the process of fight choreography, but it’s pretty easy to understand what probably happened with that fight scene…why it ended up being a bit lackluster, especially for those who were anticipating it.

      During the rehearsal process, the choreography is learned and practiced within the dimensions of the area where it will be shot.While I’m sure it’s happened before, it is damn near unheard of for some adjustment not to have to be made one you’re in the space where it’s being filmed.Now, imagine you have a very limited time to shoot, plus you’re suddenly in this UNESCO World Heritage location, not to mention with some rather large weapons like a whip and a spear.Maybe you’re used to your feet not going outside the dimensions, but not necessarily your arms or weapons.If they go outside those dimensions at the UNESCO World Heritage site, there;s change of damaging something, even if it’s say, something like a single tile.Usually, that would be no big deal, but where they were, it would be a huge deal.My guess is they realized they had a lot of stuff they had to reblock to ensure nothing had any possibility of being damaged, thus decreasing the space in which they’d been used to rehearsing.When you’re dealing with any kind of fight choreography, but especially when weapons are involved, even a tiny change is actually kind of big.With such limited time to shoot, therefore limited time to adjust and rehearse the adjustments, things aren’t going to look how they were originally intended.Mind you, that’s my guess, but a fairly educated one, and one on which I’d put some money.

      Omg, the scene sucked because it sucked. It was poorly written and not at all necessary to the plot. Those 3 babes could have just stood still while Jaime and Bronn walked up and said “gotcha!”. That effect would have made more sense. And the ” 3 babe” comment was not meant to be derogatory. There was no reason for them to even be there besides the “need” for more T & A in Dorne. Remember, according to Oberyn, everybody fucks everybody in Dorne.

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    37. Kal-El:
      Mieux,

      En français: je n’ai rien à dire, regardez la série, ce sera formidable. La mort de Jon Snow est un autre grand moment de narration. C’est la définition même du suspense. Dans quelle direction l’histoire va-t-elle maintenant se diriger?

      ok merci
      Par contre “regarder la série” ben non, je ne regarderai pas la série sans avoir la certitude qu’il revient en vie … Pas envie de leur donner une audience qu’ils ne méritent pas!
      La série ne peut pas être formidable sans lui!

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    38. Rygar:
      The thing is: this is a fun, entertaining, fantastical show adapted from fun, entertaining fantastical novels. Have a good time with it.The minute you attempt to make either one, the show or the books, more than what they really are, is when you may start feeling some sort of negativity toward them.

      Perfectly stated. Thanks, Ry – but no dick joke? 🙂

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    39. I follow an Instagram account called got_updates. Their post recently said people have seen barrels of gasoline and fire trucks entering and leaving the Kings Landing set. Anybody have any idea if this is believable or not?

      Also as an FYI for those without Instagram, it isn’t an account that throws out a lot of BS.

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    40. Ravyn,

      A few episodes of “The Leftovers” absolutely floored me last year. Many riveting and daunting moments. I was surprised it didn’t get more recognition than it did. Looking forward to S2 in October, as it goes “off-book” and is entirely original. Hope for the best!

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    41. Sergio: he too praised the fifth season , and practically said that the sixth will follow the fifth , and the sixth to be ANOTHER good season GOT .

      and I do not want to even remotely a new ”fifith season”. It was not bad, but not even close of the fourth season for example.

      Podeswa said that “FANS are going to love it” of the sixth season. That clearly means that those who are FANS of the SHOW, and who loved the 5th season, will like the next season. This is why I, personally, am so excited. I do understand that viewers who are not fans of the SHOW, and who did not enjoy Season 5, may be quite disappointed with the next seasons. This disappointment can only grow more as the scripts become completely book-independent from next season. Perhaps for these viewers, it’s better to stop watching the show instead of more disappointment?

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    42. Kay,

      Most book readers that are angry, are angry because the show will now start to spoil the books (the irony!). No matter how much they go off-books, they will still spoil major events, like Stannis’s death for example.
      I understand them, some people have waited 10+ years to read the ending. But this is no excuse to insult the show/producers. If you don’t like it, then just stop watching.

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    43. Mieux,

      Moi aussi,je ne regarderai pas la série sans avoir la certitude que Jon revient en vie!
      D & D ont mal géré la mort de Jon Snow, sans penser que les fans jamais l’auraient accepté, ils ont joué avec les fans: pourquoi?Jon Snow c’est le héros de GoT,il est le song of ice and fire,ils ont joué très mal.
      Les fans le savent que dans la scène finale Jon était mourant, n’a pas besoin de dire autre,D&D ont pas de cœur

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    44. Funny thing at this point is I don’t want the book so the show won’t spoil it,I just want to know what happens with Jon Con,Young Griff,Darkstar,Victarion,Lady Stoneheart,etc.Without these people in the show I am now way more excited about them because I don’t know what’s next,the show is no help here.

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    45. honeyimhome: Omg, the scene sucked because it sucked. It was poorly written and not at all necessary to the plot. Those 3 babes could have just stood still while Jaime and Bronn walked up and said “gotcha!”. That effect would have made more sense. And the ” 3 babe” comment was not meant to be derogatory. There was no reason for them to even be there besides the “need” for more T & A in Dorne. Remember, according to Oberyn, everybody fucks everybody in Dorne.

      Hey, if you want to focus simply on how much you disliked the Sand Snakes in general, that’s certainly your prerogative. Some people may be interested in learning the logistics of certain aspects of filming. Additionally, the fact you’re trying to argue the only reason the Sand Snakes existed was so they could have more T&A in Dorne doesn’t really hold up. More T&A than what??? The one scene where there was “T?” Um, ok, whateeeever you say.

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    46. flora,

      If you are not a book reader then the following may be a spoiler for you, so feel free to ignore. (Si vous n’êtes pas un lecteur de livre alors le suivant peut être un spoiler pour vous, alors vous pouvez ignorer .)

      D&D did not kill Jon–the author did, they are simply remaining true to the story int he books. People complain that they don’t follow the books and then they complain when they do.

      D & D ne tuent Jon – l’auteur a fait, ils sont tout simplement en restant fidèle à l’ histoire, il int livres . Les gens se plaignent qu’ils ne suivent pas les livres , puis ils se plaignent quand ils le font .

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    47. Mihnea: Most book readers that are angry, are angry because the show will now start to spoil the books (the irony!). No matter how much they go off-books, they will still spoil major events, like Stannis’s death for example.

      I completely get it. I also, quite strongly, believe that because there are these very long gaps between the books and endless years of internet discussions, that certain readers have chalked out the rest of the story in their heads as far as some characters are concerned. When there is a departure that the show presents from what is etched in stone in their heads (NOT in future books, perhaps, 😀 ), reality barges in, and the rants continue against the show. That’s why, it would be better for all if these readers stopped watching the show, and waited for the books to “confirm” the story in their heads.

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    48. Dame Pasty: People complain that they don’t follow the books and then they complain when they do.

      Yes!!!

      While I absolutely understand why Unsullied would be so upset by how season 5 ended, the fact plenty of Sullied complained very loudly about it makes no sense to me. I suppose those are the ones who, at this point, will be tied up in knots, ringing their hands, and e-screaming no matter what.

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    49. Kay,

      This is exactly my opinion!!
      the llong wait makes people create endless theories, then procede to find ”evidence”. When it’s proven wrong they dont’t say:”well i was wrong, time to anylaze the new information”. They simply procede to throw insults, and yell about ”plot holes”/”bad writing”.

      The same with the show, when it goes off-books, instead of analyzing the new info, they take the cynical view, that all changes are made simply to spite them.

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    50. Dame Pasty,

      Dame Pasty
      Merci beaucoup.Je l’ai lu les livres et je suivre Games of Thrones.Je savais que dans the A Dance with Dragons,Jon il été poignardé à mort.MAIS Martin n’a jamais dit que Jon
      c’ est plus mort que mort ok?D&D l’ont dit.Et Kit Harington , quelques heures seulement après la mort de Jon, dit qu’il est mort, il ne saura pas qui est sa mère, il ne reviendra pas dans la saison 6.Vous ne voulez pas spoilers sur THE WINDS OF WINTER?Bon Il suffit de ne rien dire.Comme l’a dit Jeremy Podeswa. D&D, ils voulaient impressionner les fans,ils savent que Jon est pas mort,Jon c’est Azor Ahai,mais ils veulent une plus grande audience et ils rire sur les fans….très mauvais …pour de l’argent…

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    51. Kay,

      I agree. For example, you can’t find any fan theory where Stannis is going to lose the battle for WF. They just can’t see that happening, they never consider that option.

      For me it was obvious, from a storytelling perspective, that Jon or some other Stark must defeat the Boltons, not Stannis.

      But that is one problems with GRRM’s writing. Tyrion, Arya, Jon, Dany, Sansa, Bran are the main characters of this story and the way GRRM wrote them in AFFC and ADWD was either boring or made them disappear from the books, or both (like Sansa).

      And now, book fanatics like Barristan, Stannis, Victarion,… more that the main characters, and that is absurd.

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    52. Davos’ Luck: Chriss

      One user exclusively refers to book readers as ‘book wankers’, I’ve seen people called misogynists and rape apologists if they disagree with censoring the show, I’ve seen people critical of the show subjected to an inquisition, and I see endlesssss sniping at Westeros.

      I don’t really use Westeros, but I do occasionally. I find this place far more toxic.

      On the relevance of the Sank Snakes being criticised: the dude is nominated for an Emmy. It’s relevant.

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    53. Dame Pasty:
      flora,

      If you are not a book reader then the following may be a spoiler for you, so feel free to ignore. (Si vous n’êtes pas un lecteur de livre alors le suivant peut être un spoiler pour vous, alors vous pouvez ignorer .)

      on n’a aucune certitude qu’il est mort dans les livres. C’est très confu!

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    54. Mihnea:
      Chriss,

      this place more toxic then Westeros? Ahahahaha

      I, too, found that statement hilarious, but not only does he say he doesn’t go there often, given what I’ve read of his, he may feel it is less toxic because he agrees with the opinions/perspectives of those who constantly spew their vitriol toward anything having to do with the show. People who agree with that would not see it as vitriolic, (and thus not toxic) but valid criticism, despite the overwhelming hyperbole evidenced there (not that those of use here don’t venture into the realm of hyperbolic from time to time).

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    55. mau: But that is one problems with GRRM’s writing.

      Oh I would say that his biggest problem is the tremendously long gaps between what are essentially “chapters” in a long saga. As you say, if in the EXTREMELY long gap between book 3 and whenever book 6 will appear, the main characters were demoted in importance to the level of some secondary characters, no wonder some fans thought characters like Stannis were so important! One main reason I, as a show watcher, wanted Stannis finished with in Season 5 and not dragged onto Season 6, is because I knew he was a distraction on the route of the main narrative. Killing off Barristan midway through the season, and settling Tyrion in Meereen and in charge, makes complete sense if an intense battle is coming next season and important to the overall future of Slaver’s Bay.

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    56. Just my two cents, but they arent filming the season in chronological order. If Jon is to return and be resurrected, then they likely filmed his scenes already (hence the shooting at the wall with the smoke billowing). They knock out that scene when no one is expecting it and everyone knows that Jon is on site. Then they just film the rest of the season. It is likely that the show is going to ignore the wall for most of the season, and then boom, towards the end, there it is.

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    57. I think that main advantage D&D have over GRRM is their understanding of narrative focus and momentum.

      Agree with this 1000%.

      Just my two cents, but they arent filming the season in chronological order.

      No, I don’t think they’ve ever filmed in chronological order.

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