Huge spoilers come with the newest photos out of Northern Ireland!

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Photo: The Daily Mail

The latest photos from Northern Ireland, courtesy of the Daily Mail, bring with them a huge spoiler and a visual confirmation that fans have been waiting for.  We’ll get right to it, and tuck that photo beneath the cut!

MAJOR SPOILER:

A photo of Kit Harington, at work on a snowy field, confirms what pretty much everyone knew by now: Jon Snow has returned from the dead and will be gracing our screens in season 6.

Kit

Kit as Jon appears to be wearing Stark-style clothing, rather than Night’s Watch black clothing as he has been since season 1. He really has returned as a new man!

The Daily Mail believe the woman under the umbrella to be Carice van Houten, but I don’t think so.

Our sources have been reporting for some time that Harington was working on a major battle sequence in N.I., around Saintfield.

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    1. Let’s not forget to neglect, he’s wearing something brand new. Not the black… padded armor.. you know, very similar to armor worn by a certain house. THE STARKS.

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    2. Is he gonna execute Ser Alliser and the rest of the mutineers? I lean towards no but I’m not sure. I mean he had no problem killing Karl and the others at Craster’s and what Alliser and the others did was pretty much the same thing.

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    3. So far we get an epic fight with Jon dressed as Ned against Boltons, we get Riverlands with Jaime, Arya and Freys and maybe red wedding 2, we get some Iron Islands, the KL is a living hell, flashbacks from Bran …… and we still haven’t any clue of what happen with Sansa, Tyrion , Cersei, Briene, “black Loras” e.t.c

      If they manage to keep all the supposed signed actors’ characters alive (after all the Jon, Stannis thing the previous season it will not be as great to kill a fan favourite this season again) and kill some Boltons or Freys… this will be the best season ever..!!

      I really wish that we people will stop asking if Jon is alive now, and start asking for some real story spoilers.
      I am really excited!!

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    4. About that rumor of Benjen’s return. Now we see Jon in Stark clothes again…

      Maybe Benjen indeed returns and tells the secret about Jon’s mother, making him finally realize that he is a real Stark.

      S6 is gonna be awesome.

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    5. Maceless Fan:
      Is he gonna execute Ser Alliser and the rest of the mutineers? I lean towards no but I’m not sure. I mean he had no problem killing Karl and the others at Craster’s and what Alliser and the others did was pretty much the same thing.

      Not necessarily. The mutinies at Craster’s killed the Old Bear because they hated the Night’s Watch. Ser Alliser and the others killed Jon to protect, in their perspective, the Night’s Watch.

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    6. HE IS RISEN!

      Man, that is so refreshing to see. I can’t wait to find out exactly how he’s brought back. It’s clear Mel will be involved somehow. I’m hoping for a Dany-style revival, rising from the ashes of a funeral pyre. Might be why he has new clothes there.

      TheMannis,

      Linda and Elio can get in a boat in row. They’re not liked by pretty much anyone outside of their sycophants on Westeros.org… all five of them.

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    7. Now that he’s back, I wonder if he is still aware of the doom marching on the wall (I mean he has to remember right)? I’m having trouble understanding why Jon would forfeit the fight against the Others to march against the Bolton’s? Hmmmm….questions….with such a huge battle, the dead will just be soldiers for the Night King’s army.

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    8. Kay: He does! With that man-bun. Jon Stark looks quite different from the dead Jon Snow. They were right: Jon Snow is dead. Jon Stark lives.

      Kill the boy, and let the man be born…

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    9. Maceless Fan: Is he gonna execute Ser Alliser and the rest of the mutineers?

      Just like their conga line of stabby-stabby FTW, there will be line of folks to take out the nationalist mutineers, including Ghost, Wun Wun, Tormund, Mel, Edd, and the butcher with the huge knife.

      I can’t keep up with all these articles!

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    10. TheMannis,

      My hope is he realizes there’s a ticking clock and they need to immediately consolidate the North to defend against the coming onslaught. He can lead the Northern armies and Wildlings to crush the Boltons. Then they can turn their attention to defending the Wall.

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    11. Daily Mail: The question of how Jon Snow could still be alive has been a major one since the June 14 episode, Mother’s Milk, in which members of the Night’s Watch betrayed Jon and stabbed him.

      Mother’s Milk haha.

      Good to see Jon back.

      I hadn’t even noticed that he wasn’t wearing the black clothes anymore. That’s a nice surprise!

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    12. S6 will really be a season of resolution.

      Jon (Stark?) will finally leave NW and he will finally find out about R+L=J.

      Dany will finally reconnect with Dothraki and leave Essos.

      Rickon will finally return to the show.

      Starks will finally have their reunion.

      Starks will finally retake WF.

      Arya will leave Braavos.

      Martells and Greyjoys will finally become relevant to the plot.

      Bran’s power will finally mean something to the plot.

      We will see Freys and Riverrun again.

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    13. Jon’s Know,

      It might be no accident the show made us remember Benjen before Jon’s stabbing. He will be back. There is no other logical, dramatic choice to reveal Jon’s parentage without introducing an entirely new character (i.e. Howland Reed).

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    14. Daily Mail: Mother’s Milk, Mother’s Milk. The title of season 5’s finale is Mother’s Milk ha Mad Max ftw. And they think he’s dressed in blacks? Are they colourblind? lol top notch journalism…

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    15. It does provide a good feeling to see this picture even tho it was all but confirmed. The hype train is about to derail…..

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    16. I got so pumped when I saw this pic and then I noticed in the top left corner of the pic is a dude I went to college with who got his job cuz he knew the vfx coordinator who also hinted I could get on GoT possibly in the future if I had the money to move to l.a.

      Butt hurt is what I am since I has no money. But Jon Snow is Stark gear makes the hype flow strong.

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    17. I think everyone assumed he’d be coming back, so confirmation of that isn’t much of a spoiler. But that he’d be, apparently, going Stark? That’s a HUGE spoiler. He could’ve gone that route, stayed with the Night Watch, gone evil, or something else entirely; and we didn’t really have any evidence of what it’d be. Now we know.

      So exciting!

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    18. The Water Knight: Ser Alliser and the others killed Jon to protect, in their perspective, the Night’s Watch.

      But there still is the “loyalist” faction and the Wildlings (who also will be very loyal to Jon at this point) against the greatly outnumbered “nationalist” faction.

      OR….. what Hodor’s Bastard wrote!

      Still, there are lots of possiblities. What if Mel & Davos spirit Jon out after saving him, and deliver him to the (say) the Umbers? Jon might not actually “desert” the Night Watch: after all, they’ve already executed him.

      Regarding the woman under the umbrella, she does look like van Houten, but the fact that she’s wearing a blue rain slicker suggests that she’s crew.

      Oddly, the guy in red next to Kit looks like Alfie Allen: but the hair is too light, and that’s not a style they’ve used for Theon.

      What does this say? With low resolution shots, lots of people look like lots of other people!

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    19. TheMannis,

      Jon needs to count on everything and that includes WW breaching the Wall. He saw how powerful they can be and he might think they’ll have some trick up their sleeves.

      If they want to beat WW, he will need to unite a lot more people tha he currently has. And good start is, if he can help Northern lords with Boltons. Simple as that. Let’s not forget, how sweet revenge can be. I’m not even sure that Vale, Northern lords, Widlings will be enough to defeat them. Maybe they can hold them for some time, but to defeat them. You need even more than that. We all saw massacre at Hardhome and how quickly WW almost triple their legions.

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    20. Fez,
      Jon Stark is the most logical direction for his character.

      Everything else was either lame or unconnected with the plot.

      Just like other similar character’s theories that care more about symbolism than actual story.

      Dany staying in Essos, Jaime becoming part of BwB, Arya becoming a wolf,…

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    21. TheMannis,
      I am thinking his motives are now similar to Stannis’ motives before…er, ya know…
      He will try to solidify power in the north in order to better protect the realm from the Others…I hope.

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    22. Mihnea,

      I mean seriously, if they can Win for S5…considered to be the worst season so far (which I still personally loved!) they are going to continue to shut out the Emmy’s. The only competition they really had before was Breaking Bad, and since that has ended…I think GoT is going to sweep the next few years until it is over. The momentum is too high at this point

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    23. Maybe reporters will stop asking the cast if Jon Snow is alive now.

      Honestly, though, when I saw the “huge spoilers” title I was imagining something like the outcome of a Jon vs. Ramsay fight scene. Jon merely being alive has been so obvious and well-reported on this site that this really doesn’t feel like that big a deal.

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    24. Sean C.,

      Not even Jon looking Ned-like in with hair tied back in in Stark armor?
      I’ve always wondered how Jon would be “post death” and now we know he goes full-on Stark afterwards…. Well, at least for a while! XD

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    25. Both produces tell the story when they met George for making ASOIAF a tv show, about 4h later, George asks the question: “who you guys think is Jon’s mother?”

      This proofs to me that Jon is indeed has a major role in the story. He may not live until the end, but there is more storyline for Jon.

      And in season 3/4 Mel “learns” the ressurection, and in episode 510 she comes back to castle black right before Jon’s kill, i am pretty sure she is behind Jon’s coming back to life.

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    26. Yeah the first thing I noticed was the change in clothing; I wasn’t sure if it was one of those cases where the actual costume isn’t the same color as it appears onscreen or not.

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    27. Jon dying and being resurrected (by Mel) as Jon Stark who rushes to retake Winterfell is probably the most boring way to move the story forwards after the stabbing. Of course we don’t know anything about the story yet and it’ll make sense that he is simply released from his vows and goes south but after Hardhome it’s a bit tough sell.

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    28. Mihnea:
      Tywin of the Hill,

      Didn’t he also called for Grey Wind? In the books I mean. Haven’t read ASOS in a long while, so I may be wrong.

      He says “Jeyne” then “Mother” then “Grey Wind” before Roose stabs him in the books. In the show, he only says “Mother”.

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    29. I’m in HEAVEN!!!!! Kit you rock!!!
      HE’S FREE!!!
      Jon’s revenge is coming and I can’t wait!!!! 🙂
      Plus>>> Carice 😉
      OMG Looks amazing!!!!

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    30. I looked at this article because I’d already read the spoilers about Kit being involved in a big battle scene. But, boy, have I got to stop looking at these spoilers. I’m already too excited and I’m going to ruin Season 6 for myself if I’m not careful.

      After seeing Jon Snow basically dressed as Ned Stark, in a Stark uniform, I’m just going to be watching Season 6 on tenterhooks waiting for this episode.

      Now that I’ve seen Jon Snow alive and well with my own eyes, I should be satisfied and try to avoid spoilers like the plague from now on.

      I can’t wait to find out what happens between him and the Night’s Watch.

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    31. We all pretty much knew Jon would come back in some form, but to actually see Kit standing there, in Stark gear….be still my beating heart!!!

      Holy crap, the hype train just hit top gear for me. I can not wait for the new season!!

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    32. Redstar:
      Daily Mail: Mother’s Milk, Mother’s Milk. The title of season 5’s finale is Mother’s Milk ha Mad Max ftw. And they think he’s dressed in blacks? Are they colourblind? lol top notch journalism…

      Reason #854256 why they’re lovingly referred to as The Daily Fail.

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    33. Sort of related, has anyone seen this:

      Emikia Clarke in her new GQ interview said…”We’ve got the red lady [Melisandre]… but what would she bring him back as? She’s got to take something for herself. Let’s just say I’m optimistic.”

      So in order for Melisandra to bring Jon back, she has to take something for herself. Wonder what that’s going to be? Is it an object or is it part of Jon’s personality or soul?

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    34. Mihnea:
      The Dragon Demands,

      What is this even supposed too mean? That he will warg? I highly doubt that.

      Rob said Grey wind’s name before dying, and he didn’t warg.

      I believe Robb did warg into Grey Wind, then he was promptly killed again as Grey Wind. It’s a popular belief.

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    35. Chilli:
      Cumsprite,

      Maybe he brought those clothes with him to the wall?

      Hey guys! I know you all went stabby stabby and shit. But wouldya do me a solid and let me up into my pad so I can get some clothes? My current outfit has a shit ton of holes in it. Thanks!

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    36. I think him trying to get rid of the Boltons can be a smart move. The North is not strong divided. He needs to bring all of the North together, and to do that, he’s got to get rid of the cancer that is the Boltons, and all those who follow them.

      No big deal to light a huge bonfire to not add to the army of the dead.

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    37. I don’t think those clothes are 100% Stark exclusive. I think Ser Jory also wore them (although he was sworn to House Stark), and they could just be a traditional Northern style of clothing.

      Of course, Jon wearing them is meant to call back to the clothing Starks wore in Season 1, but I just don’t think the clothes necessarily have to be only for Starks.

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    38. Tywin of the Hill,

      Yeah, I’ve talked to Javi about this. The extras I spoke with were calling it something else. But it’s too spoiler-y so I’m going to post it. I don’t know if it has an official name- sounds like people are just coming up with their own names in their own circles.

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    39. You know what’s reeeeaaallly nice about this? It’s going to shut up all those silly people who insisted that Jon was going to come back with blue eyes as a White Walker prince.

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    40. I bet my bottom dollar that Shereen’s death was the sacrifice to bring Jon back. ‘Waking dragons from stone’ (grey scale) and since it was confirmed by D&D as a yet to happen book plot.

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    41. Is it just me, or does the person to the right of Kit with the shoulder-length reddish hair and red windbreaker jacket look like….. someone we know?

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    42. What’s with the blue sleeves, though? I don’t remember Ned or other Starks wearing blue. I thought that grey was their regular color, though in Ned’s case we usually saw him with brown leather armor on top.

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    43. Sue the Fury: the extras I spoke with were calling it something else. But it’s too spoiler-y so I’m going to post it.

      Oh you spoiler tease! XD
      C’mon!

      Just because I respect the decision doesn’t mean I have to like it, does it? XD

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    44. TheMannis,

      Hey looking at your name it finally came up to me that unlike Jon there has been no confirmation of Stephen Dillane on the set which means Stannis is 100% dead . Good,hopefully he stays that way forever .

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    45. Not really. Despite WotW coming up with lots of great info on S6, nothing so far has been what I consider a spoiler except the Marge/Tommen/Faith interaction and the difficult-to-interpret Arya chase scene. Everything else has been stuff I consider more of a “confirmation”, in that it was something that we were almost certain would happen in S6/TWOW anyway (or has already happened in AFFC/ADWD).

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    46. Matthew:
      He’s not wearing black, so he’s free of the Night’s Watch. Jon Stark/Targaryen confirmed.

      I hope the theory is right but I wouldn’t like Jon to go all hellbent on his possible ancestry. I wouldn’t be surprised if his dismisses any link to his potential T blood. He will always be more Stark than anything else.

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    47. LordDavos,

      I don’t know whether he’s found out about his parentage yet or not, but I don’t see how you could tell that from this picture. I don’t think finding out that his dad was Rhaegar would lead to him dyeing his hair blonde and racing off to find a dragon; he has no connection at all with House Targaryen, practically and culturally speaking.

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    48. Sue the Fury:
      Tywin of the Hill,

      Yeah, I’ve talked to Javi about this. The extras I spoke with were calling it something else. But it’s too spoiler-y so I’m going to post it. I don’t know if it has an official name- sounds like people are just coming up with their own names in their own circles.

      Dangle a carrot a little more…. 😛 “I know something you don’t know!!!”

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    49. Visual confirmation, at long last! We all figured that once Jon returned to life, he would leave the Night’s Watch behind and embrace his Stark heritage (whichever side it comes from). Nevertheless, actually seeing Jon in Stark-style clothing for the first time since Season 1 is pretty damn thrilling. He really does look like Ned in that battle gear (as opposed to say, Robb, whose style was noticeably different from his father’s). That’s obviously an intentional choice on the part of the costume designers, but that doesn’t make the homage any less powerful. As the Lord of Winterfell once told him, “You might not have my name, but you have my blood.” 🙂

      Tywin of the Hill,

      I’ve kind of grown attached to “SnowBowl” as the shorthand for this particular clash, but that name has a nice ring to it as well.

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    50. Firannion,
      Actually, I have been rewatching the first few eps and it’s the same getup Ned wore during that scene when Jon is saying goodbye to coma-Bran and Catelyn tells him to GTFO, just as Ned came in the room. Blueish-grayish sleeves and that studded leather whatchamacallit Half man bun and all!

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    51. Firannion,

      I think it’s green rather than blue. And if you look up pictures of Ned Stark. He’s got the brown body covering with green sleeves in most shots.

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    52. The Dragon Demands: Dragon

      That makes sense on the books, you know. Jn wargin into ghist would be very difficult to translate on show, that’s why it’s better they don’t even try it.

      I am so esxcited about this photo I am speachless.

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    53. TheMannis,

      Think about it… why would he stay on the wall with the 100 something cowards who don’t even know a good LC when they see one… when he can March South, rally the North, and build an army that’s actually capable of manning the wall

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    54. Daily Mail is still suggesting it could possibly just be a flashback… You know, to that other time Jon fought the Boltons (clearly a Bolton crucifix in the photo) while wearing Stark armor.
      At this point, pretty much the only possible argument against his return is that HBO just has him there as misdirection, and that seems pretty far-fetched.

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    55. I’m surprised by how many people think Jon is abandoning the Wall and the fight against the Others by riding south to Winterfell. The few hundred Nights Watchmen and a few thousand wildlings aren’t close to being enough to defeat them. Even all of the North won’t be enough. It will take all of Westeros to be united to have any hope. Removing the Bolton’s from power and consolidating the North and gaining their support is just the beginning.

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    56. Firannion:
      What’s with the blue sleeves, though? I don’t remember Ned or other Starks wearing blue.I thought that grey was their regular color, though in Ned’s case we usually saw him with brown leather armor on top.

      It think its actually more greenish and very similar to what Ned was wearing in season 1:

      http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29600000/Eddard-Stark-lord-eddard-ned-stark-29628352-1024-768.jpg

      http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/westerosessos/images/c/ce/Eddard-and-Catelyn-Stark-lord-eddard-ned-stark.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140302171129&path-prefix=pl

      I am so seriously HYPE about this and I dont even know what to do with myself right now!!

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    57. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

      El-Bobby:
      Sort of related, has anyone seen this:

      Emikia Clarke in her new GQ interview said…”We’ve got the red lady [Melisandre]… but what would she bring him back as? She’s got to take something for herself. Let’s just say I’m optimistic.”

      So in order for Melisandra to bring Jon back, she has to take something for herself. Wonder what that’s going to be? Is it an object or is it part of Jon’s personality or soul?

      She gets to take him to bed. ; )

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    58. Sue the Fury: But it’s too spoiler-y so I’m going to post it.

      Awww…… now you’re just torturing us!

      Boojam:
      The major spoiler here is the Northern armor , which has mysterious implications for Winds of Winter.

      I agree. I am very excited about this development and its implications. 😀

      Tyrion Pimpslap: Removing the Bolton’s from power and consolidating the North and gaining their support is just the beginning.

      It’s a beginning that Jon Snow didn’t even consider when Stannis made him a good offer exactly suggesting this in S5. Jon Stark is a different person, though. 😉

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    59. Tywin of the Hill,

      Snowbowl.

      Maybe the Bolton’s army will go after Jon Snow and Sansa, Theon the Reek, Night’s Watch, and they will bring/start a fight with the Wildings at the Gift, so Jon’s hand is forced and he decide to march south, the battle at first seems lost but then reinforcement comes,Umbers and other Northern lords, and battle changes its course.
      In the meantime Littlefinger brings the Vale army and takes Winterfell.

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    60. Transcription of the young widow audition. There were some parts I couldn’t make out though.

      Scene 1

      Old widow: This one is lhazareen. Her khal found her in the well after he burnt her village. How old were you?
      Young widow: 12.
      OW: A year later she bore her khal a daughter. He must have been so happy. How did he show his happiness?
      YW: He broke my ribs.
      OW: We are not queens here. But do not despair, the khals depend on us for our wisdom. All lives have meaning and we have each other. That is more than one just […]. When the khals meet for the Khalar Vez Ven, I hope they let you live after they […] with us. Though other possibilities are not so pleasant.
      Dany: And the Khalar Vez Ven is tomorrow night? I need to make water.
      OW: You can’t run from the Dothraki, you know this.
      Dany: I will never run from dothraki.
      OW to the YW: Go, show her.
      YW: [nodding]

      Scene 2

      Dany: I needed fresh air. The old women stink!
      YW: They do stink.
      Dany: You must have been very young when you khal died.
      YW: 16
      Dany: Too bad he didn’t die sooner.
      YW: Yes, too bad. Is it true your master has 3 dragons and they breathe fire?
      Dany: They do. Would you like to see them one day?
      YW: I’m Dosh Khaleen. I can never leave Vaes Dothrak until I rise as smoke of pyre on the day I die.

      Dany: No, don’t hurt her!
      Daario?: She’ll give us away!
      Dany: She won’t, let her go. And you, have faith in me, khaleesi. Do not betray me.

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    61. Dwm,

      Also when would he have worn the Stark armour and sported man-bun in the past? He went from Winterfell (there was no snow, he had shorter hair and no beard) straight to The Wall where he wore black until Mother’s Mercy. This is not even a possibility.

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    62. Calm as still water.

      Oh, who the hell am I kidding?!?

      With apologies to Yusuf Islam:

      Now I’ve been smiling lately
      Thinking about the season to come
      And I believe it could be
      Something good has begun
      Oh, HYPE train sounding louder
      Glide on the HPYE train
      Come on the HYPE train
      Yes, HYPE train holy R’hllor
      Everyone jump upon the HYPE train
      Come on the HYPE train

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    63. After some thought I think I like Battle of the Bastards quite a bit… more than Bastard Bowl certainly and maybe as much or more than Snow Bowl even! It sounds like something the Westerosi would call it.
      Battle of the Trident, Battle of the Five Kings, Battle of Black Water Bay and so on…

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    64. Darquemode,

      I never got the “bowl” thing,is it an american term like the Superbowl or what because i don’t know anyone who uses that word in english other than that,hell i still don’t know what it means,does it mean clash or what ? Edit : Nevermind, i forgot about bowl as in bowl of cereal ,but that still doesn’t make sense . Not being native in english sucks .

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    65. Marcus,

      Basically..yes.
      Particularly in American football (college and pro) the championship games are referred to as “bowls”… The Superbowl, the Orange Bowl, the Rose Bowl etc…

      Plus there are a few notable games played in snowstorms referred to as the Snow Bowl as well…. So there’s that I guess….

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    66. Darquemode:
      After some thought Ithink I like Battle of the Bastards quite a bit… more than Bastard Bowl certainly and maybe as much or more than Snow Bowl even! It sounds like something the Westerosi would call it.
      Battle of the Trident, Battle of the Five Kings, Battle of Black Water Bay and so on…

      Battle for the North sounds good too 😉

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    67. Mihnea,

      Oh I’d say Jon definitely wargs Ghost in the books. The ADWD prologue basically tells you it’s going to happen. This is not nor would it ever be the case in the show because they only established Bran s a warg. So this will likely be a totally different way to tell a story that ends up in the same place when it’s all said and done.

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    68. Holy shit!

      Even that little pic from the back, his Stark clothes and his hair…

      He looks badass!!!!! He is going to look cool as hell next season!

      He will definitely contend with Dany now as the main hero!

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    69. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Calm as still water.

      Oh, who the hell am I kidding?!?

      With apologies to Yusuf Islam:

      Now I’ve been smiling lately
      Thinking about the season to come
      And I believe it could be
      Something good has begun
      Oh, HYPE train sounding louder
      Glide on the HPYE train
      Come on the HYPE train
      Yes, HYPE train holy R’hllor
      Everyone jump upon the HYPE train
      Come on the HYPE train

      Well, for that, I’ll just have to break out some old Guns n Roses:

      I’m on the HYPE train
      I love that stuff
      I’m on the HYPE train
      I can never get enough
      I’m on the HYPE train
      Never to return

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    70. hodor:
      Jon dying and being resurrected (by Mel) as Jon Stark who rushes to retake Winterfell is probably the most boring way to move the story forwards after the stabbing. Of course we don’t know anything about the story yet and it’ll make sense that he is simply released from his vows and goes south but after Hardhome it’s a bit tough sell.

      Thanks for trying the buzz kill, it won’t work. See this is big news for everyone….we don’t know and you don’t know, so rather than the negative vibes…how about, JUST FOR A DAY try to see this as a good thing. Geesh!!

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    71. I believe the woman to be Carice – past photos showed only the main cast standing under umbrellas, so I doubt she’s the stunt double. Besides, she has the same face shape as Carice. She’s even wearing something red (to the left, above that blonde guy’s head).

      I’m more worried about Davos’s absence. Either he joined forces with her, or he didn’t make it past mid-season. 🙁

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    72. Jons outfit as LC was pretty impressive! It means that someone in NW is a skilled tailor. So no worries about how he gets his Stark outfit!

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    73. It’s funny how George was more playful about Jon’s “fate” upon ADWD’s release..

      ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: So why did you kill Jon Snow?
      GEORGE R.R. MARTIN: Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?
      EW: Well, I guess. Yes. That’s how I took it. The way it was written, it sounded like he was mortally wounded – and, you know, it’s you!
      GRRM: Well. I’m not going to address whether he’s dead or not. But as to why – didn’t you think the text established why they would want to assassinate him?
      EW: The narrative made perfect sense. Looking back through the books, all the decisions Jon’s made, and all the foreshadowing that was there, yes, you played fair. At the same time, it was devastating and I suspect fans will howl, the most since–
      GRRM: The most since the Red Wedding, I suspect.
      EW: How long have you intended for that incident to happen?
      GRRM: For many years. Some of the stuff about Melisandre warning Jon of “daggers in the dark” was written 10 years ago.
      EW: It’s a harsh chapter in terms of fan expectations. You go from this total high of Jon giving this rousing speech about going after the evil Ramsay Bolton, to this utter low of his men turning against him. So fans are not supposed to draw that conclusion he’s dead?
      GRRM: What I’m seeing from early reactions, admittedly just a handful, I think fans are going to split and argue about it until the next book comes out.

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    74. Hodor’s Bastard: Just like their conga line of stabby-stabby FTW, there will be line of folks to take out the nationalist mutineers, including Ghost, Wun Wun, Tormund, Mel, Edd, and the butcher with the huge knife.

      I can’t keep up with all these articles!

      “their conga line of stabby-stabby FTW”: that’s one of your best decriptions.

      I can’t keep up with these articles either. I step away from my phone/computer for a few hours and lo and behold…Kit appears on set.

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    75. Marcus:
      Darquemode,

      I never got the “bowl” thing,is it an american term like the Superbowl or what because idon’t know anyone who uses that word in english other than that,hell i still don’t know what it means,does it mean clash or what ? Edit : Nevermind, i forgot about bowl as in bowl of cereal ,but that still doesn’t make sense . Not being native in english sucks .

      The name originally come from the Yale Bowl stadium, which was called that because it was shaped like a giant bowl (as in bowl of cereal). Then the Rose Bowl (a college championship game) picked up the “Bowl” moniker, and from there it spread to be used offically for any championship football game, including some informal uses such as the “Iron Bowl” and the “Ice Bowl”. Basically, it stands for any significantly large game with a title at stake.

      (And from there we get Clegane Bowl and Bastard Bowl, etc.)

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    76. Marcus,

      Yes, it’s a riff on “Bowl” games. There’s, of course, the Superbowl, but in college football, the big games at the end of the season are also known as bowls. The original ones were The Orange Bowl, The Rose Bowl, The Sugar Bowl, and The Cotton Bowl…and I can’t remember the other one. I think “bowl” originates from the shape of the stadiums in which the games are played. The term has also been adapted to other famous football games, too. There was an NFL playoff game many years ago where the elements were so prohibitive, it was dubbed the Ice Bowl.

      EDIT: It looks like several people already explained it.

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    77. Lydia,

      Going off her Instagram, Carice was in LA only yesterday. It’s a stretch, for her to be in Belfast and filming only 16 hours later. Not impossible but a stretch. And that person isn’t in costume- I think that’s her arm in blue, wearing some kind of raincoat/windbreaker.

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    78. Darquemode:

      Battle of the Trident, Battle of the Five Kings, Battle of Black Water Bay and so on…

      Your examples lead me to question Sue’s tease even more. Usually battle names aren’t inherently spoilery. Often it’s just the location. Trying to imagine what could be more spoilery than

      Battle of the Bastards.

      Must be something which spoils the outcome/eventual winner.

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    79. Wimsey:

      Oddly, the guy in red next to Kit looks like Alfie Allen: but the hair is too light, and that’s not a style they’ve used for Theon.
      What does this say?With low resolution shots, lots of people look like lots of other people!

      I thought he was Alfie at first as well! I have no doubt more pics will show up soon.

      For the record, I love the half-up man bun. Totally Stark (Ned and Benjen rocked them too). Hope he’s not just pulling his hair back off his face in between takes.

      /superficial comment, too excited to think properly!

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    80. What if it actually is Eddard’s armor? Maybe his corpse finally got North and the Umbers found it?

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    81. Good to see him back in the Stark colours.

      I think they’ll have him ‘reborn’ and decide it’s time to take back Winterfell and reunite his siblings.

      Jon knows that Bran and Rickon are alive and I imagine he believes his sisters to be as well. Am I remembering wrong?

      In any case, I think it is going to be a big year for Starks to reclaim their names!

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    82. Lydia,

      Low quality photo, but yeah she looks like Carice. Personally, I doubt it’s her and only three people spotted on the set there were Kit, Iwan and Kristofer from the main cast. Carice was in Los Angeles during ongoing shooting of this battle. Davos could be still alive, but just not be a part of this battle. I’m more worried about Edd (since Battle of Castle Black and mainly Hardhome…that was scary). Speaking of Edd.Interesting thing is, if NW is gone or not. Jon could be free from those pesky vows thanks to his death, but Edd not so much. Maybe NW cease to exist, but if not he would a deserter.

      EDIT:Sue made it clear.

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    83. last targeryan,

      They’re all going to fight the Others. But, seeing as Bran is glued to a tree and can’t walk, his contributions will be through his warging abilities(dragon?). Jon will be on the front lines in battle. Bran can not lead an army.

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    84. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      Yeah, I certainly don’t believe that Jon will just forget the true war lies to the North. He’s seen the Night’s King and his army. He knows that nothing is more important than stopping the White Walkers, including reclaiming the North for his family (though removing the Boltons from power should help facilitate both goals). Death and rebirth won’t strip him of that knowledge or that commitment.

      Nevertheless, given his chosen battle gear, I think we can safely infer that he will not continue that fight as a sworn brother of the Night’s Watch. I could see him returning to the Wall after the Boltons are defeated, leaving Winterfell to Sansa and/or Rickon. But I can’t see him retaining the title of Lord Commander or continuing to abide by the strict nature of the Watch’s vows (obviously not, as he would be breaking that vow by riding against the Boltons). There’s a chance that the Night’s Watch may not even exist in an official capacity by the time the North is secure.

      If Jon is revived relatively early in the season, I believe that a significant part of his arc will involve him struggling with a moral dilemma: whether or not his temporary death truly freed him from his vow to the Night’s Watch (and to his brothers, despite their betrayal). The precise wording of the vow – “Night gathers, and now my Watch begins. It shall not end until my death.” – seems to clearly support the idea that he’s free. However, I get the feeling that Jon, staunchly honorable guy that he is, isn’t going to see it that way … at least at first. Ultimately, he’ll find a way to accept that he can still uphold the critical mission of protecting the Wall without being a sworn brother, serving alongside the men who betrayed and killed him. That acceptance will allow him to temporarily turn his eyes south and lead an army of wildlings and loyal Northern lords while wearing Stark colors. Once Roose and Ramsay are dead, his true war will begin.

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    85. “Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.”

      He’s done with the wall and most of the people there. I think he will be able to go to his room – he’s not going to leave his sword behind after all. I think the red lady resurrects him before they presumably try to burn him when he could possibly be alone.

      He’s no longer part of the watch – he was released from his vows when he was murdered by his brothers. He knows the Boltons have to die – not only to bring the north together (maybe after hearing Rickon or Sansa or both are alive), but also for their betrayal of Robb.

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    86. Sean C

      I guess it is the deliberateness of donning the Stark gear which suggests he is finally accepting that heritage. If he had just heard of the Targ side, I would think he would be more conflicted about his identity. This look is saying he’s asserting himself as a Stark.

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    87. MeeraReed,

      Jon was the 998th Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch…
      After his death whoever is elected next (Thorne perhaps?) can die in one of the upcoming battles and then someone needs to be elected the 1000th LC of the NW. Maybe Jon v2.0?

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    88. dothrakian raven:
      iridium,

      I just love the way he balances after he crashes the WW at Hardhome

      The showrunners/directors have all said it and we can see it: Kit is bloody good with a sword!

      There’s a comment under the vid saying “This needs to go viral.” Totally agree; it was so well made and definitely fuels the hype.

      (yes I ventured into the youtube comments section and emerged with faith in humanity intact. First time for everything.)

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    89. Sean C.:
      Geralt of Rivia,

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t think there was any reason to believe that the actors who have been spotted filming are the only ones who have ever been there.

      No Sean, you are right…but what people are saying is that if someone like Mel was confirmed as being there at THIS time, then she is shooting with Kit. Not that just because we didn’t see anyone, it couldn’t possibly mean they are not shooting. I know you are not trying to make this that hard to get.

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    90. No black! I knew it! Jon’s story needs to move forward and for us to leave the Wall. So go Jon to make Sansa a widow!

      And I feel that Jon Targaryen is more likely that Jon Stark since he rejected the later option when Stannis offered so it would be character regression that he would have to die to do what he rejected before (and obviously it fits as well).

      Nice that the new costume designer made Jon look like Ned. He is always a Stark too, no matter the name. And obviously all there nobles have some tailors somewhere in the background to make clothes, even the Watch has stewards. It is not a recycled outfit of some Stark’s.

      Kinda feel bad for Kit, he has to shoot a big battle yet again, that much be very difficult. Last year it was Hardhome, the year before the Wall battle, now this and Jon’s battles are not over. He might have to shoot big battles in season 7 and 8 as well.

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    91. mau: Jon Stark is the most logical direction for his character.

      Jon already said “no” to that. Moreover, if Jon is with the Umbers, and if the Umbers have Jon, then he’s Jon Snow supporting his half-brother/cousin (which sounds sort of trailer-parkish, but you know what I mean: Rickon).

      tim: Oh I’d say Jon definitely wargs Ghost in the books. The ADWD prologue basically tells you it’s going to happen.

      Quite the opposite: the prologue tells you why it cannot happen. One, the prologue tells us that only experienced wargs can do this. The warg in question note that Jon has refused to become an experienced Warg. Two, once a Warg does jump into one of his/her animals completely, he/she soon dissipates into the animal. Another warg can feel the dead warg’s presence in the animal, but the person is gone as he/she was a big (mostly) bald tailless monkey. Jon jumping into Ghost would soon be Ghost with a trace of Jon: Jon would basically be gone. Indeed, both books and show stress that even if the warg is still alive, he/she can get lost permanently inside the animal if he/she stays there too long.

      The prologue was a setup for Bran, not Jon. What it did was show you the limits of warging, and how a Greenseer can take it one step further by linking him/herself into a weirwood and animals for decades without completely losing him/herself.

      MeeraReed: He’s no longer part of the watch – he was released from his vows when he was murdered by his brothers.

      There has to be something more than that. Think on how it would work.

      Minion: “Lord Umber! We’ve caught a deserter from the Night Watch!”
      Lord Umber: “Boy, I’ve never enjoyed this: but you swore your oath; you know the price.”
      Jon (sounding like Kit Harrington doing a Bono imitation): “But my oath was voided when I died.”
      *pause*
      Minion: “Er, your not dead.”
      Jon: “Not now, but I was, murdered by my own brethern, men sworn to serve me, in an act of foul treachery. But, Lo! Here I stand: Azor Ahai Reborn! Raised again to life by the breath of R’hllor! Now, join me in my crusade against the Others! Together, we will free Westeros and all of mankind from this perfidious threat!”
      *pause*
      RAUCUS LAUGHTER
      Lord Umber: *sigh* “Well, I’ve got to admit, that’s the best one I’ve heard yet. We’ll be repeating that one for years, ‘Azor.’ Minion! Fetch my sword!”
      Jon: “F* it Mel, I told you this would happen…..”

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    92. Melisandre can still be in the battle area/ camp, but her scenes are all inside tents (which means studios in Belfast). I find it hard to believe she’d stay at the Wall.

      Unless she’s… you know, dead. But I won’t accept that notion.

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    93. God of tits and wine:
      Say it ain’t snow!

      I chuckled.

      This is awesome! I was really starting to like Jon during season 4 and 5. Very glad he’s back. Hopefully he tells those backstabbers in the Night’s Watch to f*ck off and goes to do his own thing… like kick Ramsay’s arse!!

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    94. Jared:
      Tyrion Pimpslap,

      If Jon is revived relatively early in the season, I believe that a significant part of his arc will involve him struggling with a moral dilemma: whether or not his temporary death truly freed him from his vow to the Night’s Watch (and to his brothers, despite their betrayal). The precise wording of the vow – “Night gathers, and now my Watch begins. It shall not end until my death.” – seems to clearly support the idea that he’s free. However, I get the feeling that Jon, staunchly honorable guy that he is, isn’t going to see it that way … at least at first. Ultimately, he’ll find a way to accept that he can still uphold the critical mission of protecting the Wall without being a sworn brother, serving alongside the men who betrayed and killed him. That acceptance will allow him to temporarily turn his eyes south and lead an army of wildlings and loyal Northern lords while wearing Stark colors. Once Roose and Ramsay are dead, his true war will begin.

      Jon has accepted loopholes regarding sex before so it is possible he does not worry too long (but he is Jon so surely he will depute for some time). The loophole is also important for to convince all the other lords that Jon can leave the Watch, and the Watch itself maybe.

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    95. Wimsey,

      Regarding the woman under the umbrella, there is a man holding it over her head, so it could be Carice, or a double. If you blow it up, you can see his jeans/legs between Jon and the “Theon” person.

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    96. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      of course Jon wouldn’t abandon the threat that is the ww, he will gather all the resources he can get to fight them but since they are magical creatures they need to be fought by magic too not physically, and that’s where I believe bran will come in with his special powers. if bran could control hodor with the mind I think ww are easy to control as well..my guess the 3 eyed raven did tutor him a little more about his powers ( just a wild thought)

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    97. mau:
      Chad Brick,

      And what else you are almost certain will happen in S6?

      People will die. Jon won’t. Dany will at minimum leave for Westeros and probably arrive (though this could end up being S7 due to two books being divided over three seasons).

      Our “confirmations” so far have been things like Dany rides with a Khalasar, rlj, Jon’s survival, and some post Stannis-Bolton battle in the north involving Jon. Would any fan have put these at less than a 90% chance of happening?

      Likewise, we have learned that some AFFC/ADWD material, mostly involving Sam, the Riverlands, and the Ironborn, will be in S6. Surely this will spill into TWOW content, but nothing we have learned here so far is particularly illuminating as to what will be in the next book.

      The true spoilers in my opinion are Arya’s chase, which starts to narrow down the possibilities for her return to Westeros, and the Tommen/Margaery religious conversion, which is a major book spoiler assuming the show is being mostly faithful here.

      In any case, you seem to be misunderstanding me. I am talking about TWOW spoilers, not S6 spoilers. We’ve had plenty of the latter, but precious few of the former so far this filming season. Of course, we had some major ones in S5, such as LF indicating his play towards the North, and Stannis’s and Selmy’s deaths.

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    98. The Eunuch:
      Let’s not forget to neglect, he’s wearing something brand new. Not the black… padded armor.. you know, very similar to armor worn by a certain house. THE STARKS.

      As a variation of someones brilliant “Family, Duty, HYPE” line from the Riverrun facade article/thread…

      HYPE is Coming!

      Not sure what I’m more chuffed at, the fact he is alived or the fact he is legally out of the black and in Stark uniform!

      F$%K YEAH!

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    99. Marcus,
      Because the women do not yet know who Dany. They probably know she is a Khaleesi who should be cloistered with them. But I don’t think they’ve figured out that she is the conqueror with dragons of Astapor, Meereen, etc. Maybe Dany reveals herself to the girl and Daario goes to kill her because he says, “she’ll give us away”.

      OR, they know everything, but Dany persuades them that she isn’t the actual master of the dragons (that the dragons obey someone else instead, maybe so they won’t try to ransom her back to Tyrion, she’s worth much less if she isn’t their master), and the girl finds out about Dany’s plan to escape (and that Daario is there to help her). Dany says at the end, no she won’t tell.

      Something like that.

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    100. I am so siked about this!!! I hope the man bun is part of the new Jon Stark image!!! It really does echo Ned. Also in regards to him going to this battle instead of staying at the wall to fight off the wights and Ww’s… I wonder if Mel guided him to do the former? I mean she did have those visions of the Bolton banners and their defeat. Maybe it is she who tells him there is another reason why he needs to be there and not at the wall. Perhaps she sees he needs to go to Winterfell- to the crypts to discover who he really is and some deeper secret stored there … Hmmm…

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    101. Exit81,

      i zoomed in on my screen it indeed looks like a bolton sigil but with wood piled up along the bottom almost as if there will be a bonfire. think this means we will see one more sacrafice to the lord of light?

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    102. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      I’m surprised by how many people think Jon is abandoning the Wall and the fight against the Others by riding south to Winterfell. The few hundred Nights Watchmen and a few thousand wildlings aren’t close to being enough to defeat them. Even all of the North won’t be enough. It will take all of Westeros to be united to have any hope. Removing the Bolton’s from power and consolidating the North and gaining their support is just the beginning.

      Not really, Jon is presumably leading the Wildlings who will fall in behind him as an individual and interfering with a civil war between the Umbers backing Rickon and the Boltons/Karstarks

      He has a perfectly good rationale in that if he helps his half-brother take control of the north, he will be able to utilise the forces of the north to focus on the WW threat

      As for the vows, before burning there is a real big point of “and now his watch is ended”, he is dead, his watch is ended, this will occur where he burned Ygritte in front of the very Weir Tree he said his vows (probably with Bran watching too) and then he will be sparked back to life within the Pyre IMO

      It is both Bran (salt of the Earth) and Melisandre (Smoke of the Fire) who will resurrect Jon, but more completely than is often otherwise the case

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    103. Hal-le-lu-jah!…Hal-le-lu-jah!…Hallelujah!…Hallelujah! Heeeee Lives!
      Jon Tar-gar-yen Stark Lives!

      The guy in front of Kit spotted the photographer and he’s not to happy.

      The photojournalist was attempting to be sneaky, hiding over the crest of a hill, but to
      no avail..you could say that concerning the set security too.

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    104. We should assume the nw is defunct. They do not have enough men to mount a raid and still keep the gate even minimally guarded.

      As for Jon’s reemergence: squeeeeeeee

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    105. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

      I feel the same way!

      I was so excited to be unsullied for the first time in years, and swore I wouldn’t look at spoilers… But I couldn’t stay away. Although, Jon coming back isn’t much of a spoiler at this point. But the Stark uni is.

      Oh, btw, unrelated; I’m assuming Arya ditches the FM soon. How does everyone think and ditches them? I’m hoping she just realizes that she doesn’t have anything against these random targets and instead wants to go back home to what’s familiar, but that’s probably very simplified and very far off. What is everyone else thinking?

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    106. Robb Snow:
      HE IS RISEN!

      Man, that is so refreshing to see. I can’t wait to find out exactly how he’s brought back. It’s clear Mel will be involved somehow. I’m hoping for a Dany-style revival, rising from the ashes of a funeral pyre. Might be why he has new clothes there.

      TheMannis,

      Linda and Elio can get in a boat in row. They’re not liked by pretty much anyone outside of their sycophants on Westeros.org… all five of them.

      Theory below

      He’ll get resurrected in his Funeral Pyre in front of Weir Tree, Mel will light it as NW men are reluctant, perhaps with Tormund and Delorous Edd watching, R’hlorr and CoTF will play a role (salt of the Earth and smoke of the Fire…) so it is Bran CoTF

      It will be the Jon equivalent of Dany and the Dragon Eggs

      As for that stake, there’s a tantalising thought running through my mind of Ramsay getting captured after the battle of 5 armies (equivalent), getting pinned to that Boltons stake and burned by Melisandre as a sacrifice to R’hlorr, hey if Roose killing Robb is a form of blood magic event then why not flip it around the other way

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    107. Wimsey,

      My opinion, very early in GoT Jon makes an observation when talking to Arya that Joffrey raises the mothers House to the same prominence as the fathers when observing the dual Lannister/Baratheon arms

      So personally I expect he’ll be Jon Stark-Targaryen in due course and have a dual Wolf/Dragon coat of arms

      This makes sense for the character, he is a bridgine character, eg Wildlings/NW, Mel/Val, and Stark/Targaryen and North/South (of Westeros)

      He’s pretty much the only person who could get the North onside with the South now IMO

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    108. So what could the battle be called that’s so spoiler-y? The Battle that makes the King? The Battle of Azor Ahai? A Stargaryen vs A Bolton? The Battle of a Prince and a Bastard?

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    109. I’m surprise that Jon is not wearing the Black in this photo ,How ? , Is Sansa goes to him and she gave him a name ? , or is one of the Northern Lords arrives The Wall with a letter signed by Robb that with Rickon and Bran dead , and Sansa is a Lannister , and Arya is nowhere to be found and maybe dead , Jon is his Heir ? , anyway it’s SO GREAT !
      But I keep wondering if Jon is really will bring WF back .. What Sansa’s rule in this ? Nothing ?!!

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    110. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      OH MY GOD THAT IS THE STARK UNIFORM! I CANNOT YOU GUYS I LITERALLY CANNOT.

      AND I CAN’T EVEN!

      Seriously. I’m as excited as you are. Seven Hells, the new season can’t come fast enough. I’m so stoked! I have my Jon (or whatever his name will be) back!

      And to all those downers who kept saying that he wasn’t coming back, as Jon Snow or anyone else, you can suck it.

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    111. While, yes, Jon did turn down Stannis’ offer to become Jon Stark, that was because he was not willing to break his vows to the Night’s Watch. Death releases him from those vows, so with that snag out of the way, there’s no reason, at least in my mind, he wouldn’t embrace his Stark-ness. Also, I would think, given the attempts to rally people to the cause of the Night’s Watch have been mostly unsuccessful (except for Stannis), he may think he has better hope of rallying the North, first to deal with the unworthy in Winterfell, but ultimately, to deal with the threat of the WW, as Jon Stark.

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    112. Darquemode:
      Cumsprite,
      Fair question! XD
      If the episode is later in the season as expected, maybe he picked it up from SmallJon or Stark loyalist en route to Winterfell?

      Cat got Ned’s remains from Littlefinger in S2 (including armory?), Ned’s remains get sent up North, but Winterfell is already taken. Ned’s remains stay with whichever Northern Lord that brought them North. Most likely guess would be Lady Mormont. Little Lyanna Mormont openly supports royal House Stark. My guess it would be with the Mormonts, to whom Jon has a good bond considering Longclaw.

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    113. There has to be something more than that. Think on how it would work.

      Minion: “Lord Umber!We’ve caught a deserter from the Night Watch!”
      Lord Umber: “Boy, I’ve never enjoyed this: but you swore your oath; you know the price.”
      Jon (sounding like Kit Harrington doing a Bono imitation): “But my oath was voided when I died.”
      *pause*
      Minion: “Er, your not dead.”
      Jon: “Not now, but I was, murdered by my own brethern, men sworn to serve me, in an act of foul treachery.But, Lo! Here I stand: Azor Ahai Reborn!Raised again to life by the breath of R’hllor!Now, join me in my crusade against the Others!Together, we will free Westeros and all of mankind from this perfidious threat!”
      *pause*
      RAUCUS LAUGHTER
      Lord Umber: *sigh* “Well, I’ve got to admit, that’s the best one I’ve heard yet.We’ll be repeating that one for years, ‘Azor.’Minion!Fetch my sword!”
      Jon: “F* it Mel, I told you this would happen…..”

      Bwahaha…that was funny.

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    114. Gravemaster,

      I think, it’s Jorah and Dario who meets the widow during their search for Dany. It’s Dario’s sarcastic way to use stink and it also makes sense the widow asking them about their master and dragons….

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    115. Sunfyre: Your examples lead me to question Sue’s tease even more.Usually battle names aren’t inherently spoilery.

      Just as long as it’s not “The Second Death of Jon Snow.”

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    116. It has been known. The entire reason GRRM world-built “his watch is ended” in the first place was to get Jon into an inescapable situation where he gave up his family to subsequently get out and claim them. So he WILL be on the pyre. They WILL say it. Then he’s released. There will be no 1,000th LC, as the other point is the Wall must come down to complete the WW threat, and given its size NW will be wiped out. Symbolic of the shit Westeros is in (your border patrol is gone), but also the practical outcome of such a large mass collapsing.

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    117. Kaka,

      I think BOTH have a part to play. I think too many people are thinking it must be one or the other, why not both? I think it would be a fine lesson to teach. Men and women united to protect the world. True equality.

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    118. Not only does this confirm that Jon is back, but that he’s not there as the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. If there was any doubt, that is. That is Stark armor!

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    119. Ser Oromis Locke: Cat got Ned’s remains from Littlefinger in S2 (including armory?), Ned’s remains get sent up North, but Winterfell is already taken. Ned’s remains stay with whichever Northern Lord that brought them North. Most likely guess would be Lady Mormont. Little Lyanna Mormont openly supports royal House Stark. My guess it would be with the Mormonts, to whom Jon has a good bond considering Longclaw.

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    120. Chinoiserie,

      There is no regression. He only rejected the offer from stannis because he wanted to keep his vow as a sworn brother of the night’s watch. Now that his brother’s betrayed and killed him, he can take his place as a stark. I don’t think jon is ever going to feel any connection to the targaryens.

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    121. Of course, he’s died.. he’s FREE OF HIS OATH … JON SNOW!!!!

      This makes me happy

      The Eunuch:
      Let’s not forget to neglect, he’s wearing something brand new. Not the black… padded armor.. you know, very similar to armor worn by a certain house. THE STARKS.

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    122. Weston,

      They always have.

      I do miss Iceland, though. Real, deep snow is difficult to imitate. Season 5 convinced me it wasn’t possible to do a Northern snowstorm justice with shallow fake snow. Hopefully they’ll film some of the battle in Iceland in december, in real snow, though that’s gotta be a nightmare to actually shoot.

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    123. Luka Nieto:
      Not only does this confirm that Jon is back, but that he’s not there as the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch. If there was any doubt, that is. That is Stark armor!

      That is my favourite part of this. The clothes, the hair – he looks like Ned. I am incredibly happy he’s coming back this way: an understated hero like Ned, not some over-the-top Azor Ahai/zombie/ dragon lord or whatever.

      God I can’t stop looking at the photo!

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    124. One thing I don’t think that’s been mentioned is that Jon is more like Ned than anyone in the Stark family … he is deeply honorable .. I don’t see him as a vengeful person, but they did say when you’ve been brought back you’re a different person.. I think maybe a little darker, it might be awesome to see Jon become more aggressive .. while also retaining his honor..

      I think how much of you is lost depends on how long you have been dead.. in the books Lady Stoneheart had been dead a while, she is a shadow of herself.. but I think Jon will be brought back pretty quickly ..

      Maceless Fan:
      Is he gonna execute Ser Alliser and the rest of the mutineers? I lean towards no but I’m not sure. I mean he had no problem killing Karl and the others at Craster’s and what Alliser and the others did was pretty much the same thing.

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    125. Ser Oromis Locke: Cat got Ned’s remains from Littlefinger in S2 (including armory?), Ned’s remains get sent up North, but Winterfell is already taken. Ned’s remains stay with whichever Northern Lord that brought them North. Most likely guess would be Lady Mormont. Little Lyanna Mormont openly supports royal House Stark. My guess it would be with the Mormonts, to whom Jon has a good bond considering Longclaw.

      In the books, I always thought that the mysterious Hooded Man encountered by Reek at Winterfell was Hallis Mollen, the Stark retainer tasked by Catelyn with returning the cask with Ned’s bones (boiled bones only; there would be no armor or clothing in there) for interment in the Crypts. It was certainly someone who recognized him as Theon. And I have hopes that in the process of laying Ned’s remains secretly to rest, he found out something else about the Crypts: whatever mystery has been repeatedly hinted is hidden there, perhaps connected to Jon’s heritage.

      Of course, the whole course of events at Winterfell under Bolton occupation has been completely altered for the show: no Abel and his washerwomen, no Ghost of Winterfell, no Hooded Man. So who knows if we’ll ever hear what became of Ned’s bones. They could be with the Mormonts, as you say, or at Greywater Watch or any of a number of places. Or just deleted from the story by the showrunners as unimportant.

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    126. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      OH MY GOD THAT IS THE STARK UNIFORM! I CANNOT YOU GUYS I LITERALLY CANNOT.

      1) This should be the official response of basically just about everyone. I mean, that just sums it up right there.
      2) Clearly the woman under the umbrella is LSH. (Get hype!)
      3) We know no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK!

      All this, plus Ian McShane and ToJ. Seriously. Seriously. Get you hype pants on!

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    127. Firannion: In the books, I always thought that the mysterious Hooded Man encountered by Reek at Winterfell was Hallis Mollen, the Stark retainer tasked by Catelyn with returning the cask with Ned’s bones (boiled bones only; there would be no armor or clothing in there) for interment in the Crypts.It was certainly someone who recognized him as Theon.And I have hopes that in the process of laying Ned’s remains secretly to rest, he found out something else about the Crypts: whatever mystery has been repeatedly hinted is hidden there, perhaps connected to Jon’s heritage.

      Of course, the whole course of events at Winterfell under Bolton occupation has been completely altered for the show: no Abel and his washerwomen, no Ghost of Winterfell, no Hooded Man.So who knows if we’ll ever hear what became of Ned’s bones.They could be with the Mormonts, as you say, or at Greywater Watch or any of a number of places.Or just deleted from the story by the showrunners as unimportant.

      Love your theory about the Hooded Man (although now I now have that Clannard song from Robin of Sherwood tv show stuck in my head). But hey – and I really don’t mean this as an insult, because I think Kit is gorgeous – Ned’s clothes wouldn’t fit Jon anyway. Sean Bean is about 6 ft and stocky; Kit is shorter and leaner. I think he must have picked them up from an ally, and I feel like it probably won’t even be addressed in the show. He’ll just appear wearing them.

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    128. Kay: When he is resurrected, he may not. He may have changed a bit. Dying tends to do that to one.

      In “real” life, one could entertain that idea. However, in a story character arcs are important: and throwing away character development like that would be terrible writing.

      Never minding that Jon Stark would undermine the overarching story: neither the plot nor the characters would need Jon Stark. They have Rickon Stark, trueborn son of Ned Stark, and thus King in the North, or at least True Lord of Winterfell. Jon Snow, loyal bastard half-brother, would be as much as anybody would want or accept from Jon.

      Poor Rickon! It seems like people keep forgetting about him and what he means for the other characters. 🙁

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    129. The Blood of Winterfell,

      I think Rickon could actually legitimize Jon since he’s technically the King in the North now. The Northern lords would be more inclined to accept Jon as being a Stark if Rickon did it as well, since they refused to acknowledge Stannis as king to begin with.

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    130. Wimsey,

      Rickon Stark isn’t going to lead an army to battle against the Boltons, trueborn heir or not. He’s just too young. People haven’t forgotten…it’s simply an issue of practicality. And for all we know, Jon could be doing this in order to reinstate Rickon as King of the North.

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    131. Wimsey: In “real” life, one could entertain that idea. However, in a story character arcs are important: and throwing away character development like that would be terrible writing.

      I have such extremely different ideas from you about character arcs in a story, and what death or some equally traumatic event may play in shaping such arcs, that I will not engage in further debate with you on this. 😀 We’ll just wait and see if Jon is still exactly the same as before. 😉

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    132. Nymeria Warrior Queen: While, yes, Jon did turn down Stannis’ offer to become Jon Stark, that was because he was not willing to break his vows to the Night’s Watch.

      I don’t think that we should assume that Jon sees it like that. He’s not a “loophole” kind of guy! And, again, if what we have been told is correct, then Jon is with the Umbers and knows that Rickon is still alive. You could tell Jon all you want that he is legitimate: he would still see Rickon as the proper heir to Winterfell. And my guess is that he won’t view a little thing like temporary death as absolving him of his NW vows permanently. After all, suppose that the Nationalists do prevail at the Wall: Jon’s now marked as a traitor to the Watch by them, and Jon is the sort to honor his vows even if the Watch won’t until his name is cleared or he’s well and truly killed.

      All of that written: I do wonder if the Wildlings will declare him “King beyond the Wall.” That would be a nice ironic twist on what Mel has seen.

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    133. Kay: I have such extremely different ideas from you about character arcs in a story, and what death or some equally traumatic event may play in shaping such arcs, that I will not engage in further debate with you on this. ? We’ll just wait and see if Jon is still exactly the same as before. ?

      Exactly, GRRM recently made a point regarding LS that death changes peope, so i expect Jon to be different

      His resurrection is different, combo of R’hlorr and Weir gods

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    134. Lonnie,

      See, I never understood this thinking.

      Beric was brought back several times, and he was still by all accounts a good and fair man.

      I always just thought Catelyn came back crazy bc she saw her son die in front of her and then got her own throat slit.

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    135. Robb Snow:
      HE IS RISEN!

      Man, that is so refreshing to see. I can’t wait to find out exactly how he’s brought back. It’s clear Mel will be involved somehow. I’m hoping for a Dany-style revival, rising from the ashes of a funeral pyre. Might be why he has new clothes there.

      TheMannis,

      Linda and Elio can get in a boat in row. They’re not liked by pretty much anyone outside of their sycophants on Westeros.org… all five of them.

      Sorry but…who is Linda and Ellio and what exactly did they do?

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    136. iridium: ch as anybody would want or accept

      I’m not sure of Benjen Stark’s build now, but it could be among his remaining belongings at the Wall. Not that it matters whose they are, it’s such a buzz to see Jon now out of the Black.

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    137. May it officially be called the “Battle of the Bastards”, which is an insult to the supposedly legitimised Ramsay, who’s a bastard in both senses of the word. Many have mentioned the true enemy being in the far North, but 1) eradicating the Boltons to unite the North as a foothold for gaining support from the other Westeros kingdoms will give humankind a fighting chance against the WWs. And 2) the WWs will presumably breach the Wall and come south anyway. So it makes strategic sense for Jon (as Stannis proposed) to regain the North and focus on the main threat some time afterwards.

      Why anyone, especially book-read fans, ever thought him permanently dead, I cannot fathom. However, it’s good to finally know that this board’s many I-told-you-sos are vindicated. As for the hype, GRRM used it too, leaving Jon to bleed out. And months of declarations of his death from HBO and show personages will make Jon’s revival even more magical, especially to those who didn’t guess. I hate lies, but as they say, there’s no business like Snow business.

      For me, best of all is to see Jon being what he is. Jon is Stark through and through, and Ned’s son despite his presumed biological father. I just hope it’s not Melisandre who revives him, because she’ll want a concession. And the concession might be a conversion to R’hllor. We’ve seen so much evil committed in the Red God’s name, I hope Jon is never associated with it.

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    138. Sorry this off topic, but everyone is prob on this thread now instead of the RR one. I just wanted to point this out:

      Looks like the casting for the (rumoured) Frey son will be a part of this Riverrun stuff. The shooting dates for the role posted back in August line up with when filming will likely commence in Corbet:

      Week of 8/10
      Week of 8/24 – same as the outlaw band
      Week of 10/12
      Week of 10/19

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    139. sj4iy:
      Wimsey,

      Rickon Stark isn’t going to lead an army to battle against the Boltons, trueborn heir or not.He’s just too young.People haven’t forgotten…it’s simply an issue of practicality.And for all we know, Jon could be doing this in order to reinstate Rickon as King of the North.

      Thing is, like Cersei being Queen Regent until Joffrey/Tommen come of age, Jon can actually serve as Lord Regent as Kevan Lannister is until Rickon comes of age, or at least General

      I expect Sansa to be more relevant to the Riverlands than the North

      Tbh i am expecting something of a North/RL dynastic war, wouldn’t be surprised tbh if Rickon is killed as i expect we end up with legit Jon vs Sansa, riverlords and Vale backing Sansa and Northerners + wildlings backing Jon

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    140. Does anyone here thinking this filming and the uniform and everything is for a flashback/vision scene for Bran ?

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    141. mariamb,

      Thx! I must admit that I read the “conga” term from some overly-critical diarrhea blog a few days back. 🙂

      As inevitable as it is, a Kit sighting is cool. Did you ever doubt though? Now when Joseph Mawle and Joe Dempsie are sighted, there may be earthquakes…

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    142. Kay: We’ll just wait and see if Jon is still exactly the same as before.

      Of course Jon will not be “exactly the same”: protagonists cannot be static because the stories always arise from how they evolve. However, that also means that protagonists also cannot metamorphose: again, the story comes from the steps, so protagonists have to evolve in a gradual fashion. That means that Jon needs to be a little different after this: but not a lot different. (Ditto that for Daeny, Tyrion, Arya, Sansa, etc., after their traumas of the last couple of seasons.)

      The other key point is that protagonists have to evolve in a fairly linear fashion. That means that you cannot backtrack on major things. Really, the only exception would be if the point of Jon’s arc was to build him into someone who would be comfortable being Jon Stark, Lord of Winterfell. In that case (and, really, only in that case) a Caesar-esque “No…. No…. Yes.” would be fine. (Romance stories often rely on this: but this is not a romance.) Jon’s arc is almost certainly to take him to be the person who can make one or some of the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” choices forced on humanity because of the Walkers vs. R’hllor Battle for Nirvanna. So, having shut the door on that along Jon’s arc, GRRM (and B&W) would essentially be backtracking on Jon’s evolution and probably watering down the actual story.

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    143. DanTheMan,

      They’re the webmasters of Westeros.org. I’d really rather not get into all of the things they’ve said and done as it would ruin the good discussion we’re having about Jon and Snowbowl.

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    144. Kay,

      Further down is this:
      My friend who is in the battle scene as an extra has hinted heavily that it is Sansa.

      Only other Red is Mel, maybe it’s actually her?

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    145. Kay: Yara and Theon will flee to Volantis?

      Yeah, there is no way that they would have Yara sail around Westeros for a 3rd time in 3 seasons! That’s downright torturous! 🙂

      The only solid stuff I get out of that crap is that Asha/Yara & Theon escape together. In TWoW, I feel they will manage to escape Stannis’ clutches before Stannis gets fatally ambushed near WF.

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    146. SJH: I’m not sure of Benjen Stark’s build now, but it could be among his remaining belongings at the Wall. Not that it matters whose they are, it’s such a buzz to see Jon now out of the Black.

      I think you partially quoted Firannion there but on your point about Benjen (Joseph Mawle) I think he’s of a height with Ned/Sean. Agree, it doesn’t matter. I’m beside myself at seeing him out of the black. Yes, it was always his colour, but goddamn it’s good to see him as a Stark.

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    147. grailking,

      What I find it hard to believe, if the person relaying this information is an extra in a battle sequence, is why such a person would know anything of Sansa’s death. I mean, Sansa would not be anywhere near an actual battle, in which this extra would take part. It could be Mel, but I thought Carice was in LA at the moment, not filming. Perhaps they meant a KARStark would die? Or Jon STARK dies again in battle? To be revived by Mel again? My head is starting to spin. 🙂

      Hodor’s Bastard,
      Yara and Theon being together towards the end of the season does sound quite logical. But sailing to Essos? Plus, I do so want them to have a chat with their Uncle Rodrik; though I’m not a book reader, I am much intrigued by Rodrik.

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    148. grailking,

      Perhaps they’re throwing out guesses based on GRRM talking about a female character’s upcoming death awhile back?

      If the Boltons find her again…Jon could win the battle, but she could very well be the ‘collateral damage’. Let’s hope not.

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    149. If this is literally Jon Snow resurrected, that means Kit Harrington, the showrunners, the HBO execs were all blatantly lying in their post-season 5 interviews; when all they had to do to preserve suspense would have been to refuse to answer whether Jon was dead and staying dead. “Dead is dead is dead”, “He’s deader than dead”, “At least Jon gets to be with his family members” are all pretty explicitly ruling out resurrection.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if they have something else up their sleeves, like a twin brother who had been raised at another northern castle. His hair is totally different, which may be a way of making him look like a different character. The R+L=J+M theory may not have been far off, they just got the last letter wrong.

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    150. DanTheMan: Sorry but…who is Linda and Ellio and what exactly did they do?

      They run Westeros.org. After GoT won at the 2015 Emmys Linda tweeted that “the Emmy voters smoked all the crack” and then called the show “pandering shit” and THEN called WotW’s Sue the Fury “a delusional nutcase” and “a pathetic nobody” without any provocation. GoT writer Bryan Cogman noticed and was taken aback, to say the least. They’re also GRRM’s ASOIAF ‘confidantes’, if you will.

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    151. Sean C.:
      Ghosts Lunch,

      Jon and Sansa would fight a “dynastic war” because…?

      Sansa doesen’t like Jon because Cat didn’t, same as Blackfish, sansa is a bit of a Southron snob and doesen’t like him given he’s a bastard, we see Arya and Sansa arguing about yim early in aGoT

      Personally i see a split in Robbs kingdom forming, north will be very different to RL with lords backimg.differemt.people my personal theory is that Sansa is Lothston mk2 and will rule midlands out of Harrenhall, with Blackfish out of RR and SR out of Eyrie. I had been theorizing she kills Myrcella but guess not?

      Show may go a fairly.different route, but if theunr nuilding RR facade it must feature.quite significantly in upcoming seasons

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    152. Kay: …have a chat with their Uncle Rodrik;

      May I ask how you know about Rodrik the Reader then? 🙂 Has he been mentioned in the show?

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    153. Not sure if it’s been mentioned here yet but is there any chance Kit is playing Ned for a flashback? It’s just the man-bun and the costume look very Ned as opposed to Stark, and since Jon is meant to be the child that looked most like Ned it could (maybe) be a possibility. Also, as far as I know, no one has been cast as Ned for the Tower of Joy flashback yet… Obviously this isn’t it because of the location but maybe it’s an associated flashback?

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    154. grailking,

      And?

      Ghosts Lunch: Sansa doesen’t like Jon because Cat didn’t, same as Blackfish, sansa is a bit of a Southron snob and doesen’t like him given he’s a bastard, we see Arya and Sansa arguing about yim early in aGoT

      Have you by chance read anything of Sansa’s story post-AGOT? (not that I could imagine AGOT-era Sansa fighting a dynastic war against Jon either, though she was indifferent to him)

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    155. Sean C.,

      And?

      Does Sophie get the whole season scripts?

      Did she not say last year that Sansa was going to be stronger and play the game, yet it looks like they sent her backwards.
      She played, but they kicked her in the gut.

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    156. Anyone else just notice for the first time the distinct similarities between what Jon is wearing (northern lord battle garb) and what the Nights King was wearing when we saw him last? Is the Nights King a Stark? Just trying to make his way back home to the crypts?

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    157. Ghosts Lunch,

      Hasn’t Sansa’s arc so far in the books been about her childish perspectives, opinions, and fantasies being torn down?

      I may be off, but I think (and hope) that both show and book Sansa would be delighted to see Jon again, and the fact that he’s a bastard would most likely never cross her mind. She would just be thrilled to see family again.

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    158. Hodor’s Bastard,

      No! I read all the speculation here in the comments the day a casting announcement was made about a haggard looking intelligent lord, was intrigued, looked up the ASoiaF wiki, learnt about Uncle Rodrik, and there you have it! 🙂 Now I want to see an intelligent, book-reading Ironborn.

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    159. Sean C.,

      The reddit thing hints that Sansa dies, Sophie hints great things for Sansa, if she gets the whole season script wouldn’t she know or not if Sansa is doomed?

      Not that I expect her to tell us exactly, but she might be more secretive about it.

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    160. Lydia:
      I believe the woman to be Carice – past photos showed only the main cast standing under umbrellas, so I doubt she’s the stunt double. Besides, she has the same face shape as Carice. She’s even wearing something red (to the left, above that blonde guy’s head).

      I’m more worried about Davos’s absence. Either he joined forces with her, or he didn’t make it past mid-season.

      I’m fairly certain Mel will die to resurrect Jon in the early part of the season.

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    161. I’m on my phone so it’s likely been said and I just didn’t see but I think Jon’s not in black because The Watch has been wiped out after they “killed” him

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    162. Brendon,

      In book, though she doesn’t think of him often when she does they are warm thoughts.

      She calls him bastard brother or half brother just like the rest of the kids do, I don’t think she hates him or thinks of him like Cat does.

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    163. Lydia,

      I don’t think it’s Carice. That woman is wearing blue. Mel wears red themed robes. And the face…it’s too haggard. But the key is the costume color. There’s no red. Blue? Mel would never wear blue. Ever.

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    164. Ghosts Lunch: Thing is, like Cersei being Queen Regent until Joffrey/Tommen come of age, Jon can actually serve as Lord Regent as Kevan Lannister is until Rickon comes of age, or at least General

      Sansa can do that , she can be the Queen Regent in The North until Rickon come to age. And she’s already in The Noth.

      And I really don’t think Rickon will name Jon “Stark” because he’ll take his seat. I mean if Jon became a Stark He’ll be the rightful King in the North , rightful than Bran and Rickon and Sansa and Arya because he’s older than them! , and maybe the Northern people will have a proplem about the fact that Jon is bastard child and Bran and Rickon and Sansa and Arya are trueborn children and yet Jon is the King not them!

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    165. I think Jon wear Ned’s northern clothes from season 1 because it does look not just familiar but very familiar. the same way Sansa wear her mother embroidered “neck pillow”

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    166. I hate to be a party pooper, but doesn’t using death as a loophole to get out of your sworn vows seem a little weaselly?

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    167. If the reddit guys friend is an extra for the North battle, why would he have any idea what’s going on with Theon and Asha and the whole Iron Islands Kingsmoot thing? 2 different storylines. I don’t believe it

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    168. grailking,

      Well, you could argue that Sansa *did* get stronger.

      She went back to her home, despite being scared of the people there.

      She went through with marrying Ramsay (she made that decision herself) because she thought it was the right thing to do until Stannis got there.

      She lived through Ramsay’s traumatic visits and was never broken, and remained strong and hopeful till the very end.

      She got crucial info from Theon about her brothers, and played a part in bringing him back to himself. (yes I know he isn’t there yet.)

      Sansa’s season 5 story wasn’t perfect, although I personally did enjoy a lot of it. I was however disappointed that Sansa did not really get really to participate in politics in season 5, but I do think that Sansa grew stronger and showed a lot of bravery in season 5. Just because she was brutalized by Ramsay does not mean that she was weak or regressed as a character.

      Myranda tried to scare her off, but she stood up for herself and told her that she couldn’t frighter her.

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    169. King in the North Carolina:
      I hate to be a party pooper, but doesn’t using death as a loophole to get out of your sworn vows seem a little weaselly?

      HIS OWN MEN MURDERED HIM. That’s like saying “So you left your wife after she stabbed you? Isn’t that a weasel’s way out of a marriage? Attempted murder?”

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    170. Hodor’s Bastard,

      So of course, I had to go look up Qarl the maid. He sounds like a pretty boy and Yarasha’s main squeeze. 🙂 Rodrik is still more intriguing, though.

      Ghost: If the reddit guys friend is an extra for the North battle, why would he have any idea what’s going on with Theon and Asha

      Excellent point.

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    171. TheMannis,

      I guess because in order to unite the North and the Wildlings to fight against the Others, he needs to get rid of the Bolton’s, who did not send help when he asked for it. As long as the Bolton’s are there as Wardens of the North, there will be factions fighting openly or covertly against each other.

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    172. Already knew this from another site, but the only way this news could have been cooler is if he was wearing Rhaegar’s armor from the trident

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    173. So, any ideas on who was strung to the Bolton X? I doubt it was just standing there in an open field without being used. Intimidation tactics by Ramsey?

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    174. JonStark,

      Except Stannis was trying to unite the North to go South to reclaim “his” throne, while Jon is going to go the other direction to fight the WW.

      It’s kind of similar to Daeny’s prophecy: to go West you’ll have to go East… (to go North you’ll need to go South).

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    175. hodor,

      And what is your idea? That he’s going to fight the WW alone? He needs an army bigger than the Wildings. But there is not a chance people will pay attention to a zombie bastard shouting the WW are coming… He needs to prove his leadership skills and unite the North, but he’ll have to earn it. It is not going to happen because he is, to most people’s knowledge, Ned’s son.

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    176. K Noelle,

      If so. How can you explain vision of her walking on the battlements of Winterfell and strong foreshadowing for future meeting between her and Arya? D&D include this convo for a reason and since it’s not in the books. It’s not like her visions are wrong, but maybe only badly interpreted. By the end of the season both of our heroes could have a Red Priestess by their side.

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    177. Robb Snow:
      The Blood of Winterfell,

      I think Rickon could actually legitimize Jon since he’s technically the King in the North now. The Northern lords would be more inclined to accept Jon as being a Stark if Rickon did it as well, since they refused to acknowledge Stannis as king to begin with.

      Technically, Bran would be King in the North now. He’s still alive and older than Rickon.

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    178. Cumsprite,

      Darquemode:
      Cumsprite,

      Fair question! XD
      If the episode is later in the season as expected, maybe he picked it up from SmallJon or Stark loyalist en route to Winterfell?

      My question as well. There’s no more Stark army, and Jon doesn’t have access to the Stark armoury, so I wonder if it’s just non-specific northern gear. Maybe Umber?

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    179. Simeon,

      Bran is a little predisposed, what, with becoming a tree and all. Unless they’re going to plant a weirwood in Winterfell and carve Bran’s face in it, I’d say he has forfeited his claim

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    180. Simeon,

      Well yes, but Bran went beyond the Wall and will probably never return. And for all anyone else knows, he could be dead. So at this point, I think Rickon is for all intents and purposes the King in the North.

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    181. This is my first off-season following GOT on a fan board. I am so impressed with all the cool stuff you guys have managed to ferret out! Cool theories being put up too, really fun to read to get the imagination working. Can’t wait for next April to find out who’s theory is correct or if we’re all going to be totally surprised. Was really nice to see a pic of Jon whateverhisnameisnow on set.

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    182. TheMannis,

      He’s not abandoning it, he’s rallying the north to band together and fight whats coming, but to do that, he has to get rid of the boltons. And probably a big chunk of the Freys too.

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    183. Geralt of Rivia:
      K Noelle,

      If so. How can you explain vision of her walking on the battlements of Winterfell and strong foreshadowing for future meeting between her and Arya? D&D include this convo for a reason and since it’s not in the books. It’s not like her visions are wrong, but maybe only badly interpreted. By the end of the season both of our heroes could have a Red Priestess by their side.

      I wouldn’t take everything melisandre says as gospel- she often gets it wrong. Stannis anyone?

      Her vision of herself walking WFs battlements might be Sansa for all we know, and when she looks into Aryas eyes and mentions the eyes that she’ll close forever and that they’ll meet again- who’s to say this isn’t through Nymeria?

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    184. Tywin of the Hill,

      Makes sense…

      I remember in the books before Jon got stabbed to death he read that letter from Ramsay that Ramsay wrote in a horrifying and in a directly challenging way to Jon.

      So Jon is going to meet that challenge and slay that sicko.

      The King In The North!!!!!

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    185. Brendon,

      Yeah thst could quite easily be the case, show Sansa perhaps would

      I’m just putting out a vague speculative theory

      Sansa seems to be becoming quite cynical by the time of her sample WoW chapter and serogatory of her thoughts, toward Hth for her treatment as “Littlefingers bastard” but also toward Sweetrobin calling him “a fool” etc and no doubt observing Littlefingers ruthlessness with Lysa will have an impact etc

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    186. blood of winterfell,

      Reckon Sansa will go RL with Brienne. I reckon she goes from Vale to RL in books via Brienne

      Legitimised bastards are behind other trueborn children,

      think it is gender neutral so a legitimised Jon would be behind Sansa and Arya. Gets tricky though if Robb named Jon his heir as supposedly intended, which gives added meaning to Mormont letter to Stannis and could be a potential point of conflict between Jon and Sansa, and hebce northern lords and river lords who if Blackfish comments to Jaimie is anything to go by might not be particular keen on Jon given Cats attitudes

      This is why Fat Walda beig pregnant is an issue, because the child would disinherit “legitimised” Ramsay, especially if it is a boy

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    187. What a great ploy by the showrunners to confuse us! First the white walker in Girona and now a Jon Snow appearance. The lengths to which they go! 😉

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    188. Hi-Fi,

      El-Bobby:

      So in order for Melisandra to bring Jon back, she has to take something for herself. Wonder what that’s going to be? Is it an object or is it part of Jon’s personality or soul?

      “Only death may pay for life.”

      Melisandre already made payment for Jon’s life when she burned Shireen. This is the return on the payment of that debt. And it’s a damn big return.

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    189. Jon doesn’t have to die to leave the watch. Years ago GRRM said there was a precedent for men in orders like the NW and KG to be released from their vows, but it was rare. I don’t know why he would have imagined it, if there wasn’t going to be a use for it.

      Of course D&D have license to make changes (ahem)..but I’m just saying death is not the only way out.

      In the books, I think there are definite signs that Jon is a berserker (he just doesn’t know it yet).. “the mark of the beast is on him “, and so on, because he has Ghost… Also, the comment is made about Ramsay (because of his hunts) that he seems “a beast in human skin”

      In the book, Jon was intending to take it to Ramsay before he was stabbed, and I think he will get up in full berserker mode (not resurrected). I expect he will follow through with confronting Ramsay, not only will it be bastard vs. bastard , but one kind of “beast” against another.

      Adaptation changes not withstanding, that sort of development might be something D&D would try to keep.

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    190. dothrakian raven,

      Why? I mean, it is pretty unlikely but IF (and it’s a big if) they are actually telling the truth and Jon is dead then it’s possible. Unlikely but possible.

      I do find it odd that we haven’t heard any casting news for Tower of Joy Ned though…

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    191. Lydia:

      I’m more worried about Davos’s absence. Either he joined forces with her, or he didn’t make it past mid-season.

      Either that or he told all the nobles to FUCK OFF and went back to his wife.

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    192. Lydia:
      I believe the woman to be Carice – past photos showed only the main cast standing under umbrellas, so I doubt she’s the stunt double. Besides, she has the same face shape as Carice. She’s even wearing something red (to the left, above that blonde guy’s head).

      I’m more worried about Davos’s absence. Either he joined forces with her, or he didn’t make it past mid-season.

      Davos is in White Harbour talking Manderly into supporting Jon.

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    193. All of my fears and doubts from 2011 till now are gone!

      I am hyped all over the top since yesterday.

      btw, I like the theory of Shireen being the sacrifice for Jon – seems logic.

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    194. crimethink:

      I wouldn’t be surprised if they have something else up their sleeves, like a twin brother who had been raised at another northern castle.His hair is totally different, which may be a way of making him look like a different character. The R+L=J+M theory may not have been far off, they just got the last letter wrong.

      Dude, you must be joking surely? ….

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    195. BelJC,

      How is this logically possible? Why is he filming In Ballintoi in N.I and not in Spain? Have you read where TOJ is going to be filmed? We have facts and it is wise to make assumptions out of the facts we have been given and not from a vacuum of “possibilities”

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    196. Darksianna,

      Jon’s Know,

      But I liked the boy:(
      No seriously this is totally the best headline I could read here but I just hope they leave the “man” Jon with most of the Jon SNOW charm in tact. I don’t want him to be a one-note vengeance filled character. I’m sure that won’t be the case so… YEAH JON LIVES!

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    197. I absolutely HATE the theory that Shireen is the sacrifice for Jon’s life. A little girl shouldn’t be killed in order for Jon to live. Even Jon would be horrified at the thought.

      If anyone is getting sacrificed to pay for Jon’s life, then it’s going to be Ghost.

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    198. dothrakian raven,

      As I said in my original post, this obviously isn’t ToJ because of the location, but it could be a precursor flashback related to the Lyanna disappearance storyline.

      It is a fact that everyone associated with the show has said that Jon Snow is dead. I don’t necessarily believe this, but if he is really as dead as they say then Kit as Ned could explain his continued presence on set.

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    199. OMFG Have been waiting SO long to find out the next chapter in Jon’s journey. This photo is a revelation. About time he got off the Wall. Him interacting with other characters should be fun.

      On a shallow note Kit just keeps getting hotter with age. I saw his most recent photoshoot in a French magazine… wowza.

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    200. Facts rule out the flashback idea.

      1. Kit has been confirmed to take part in a major battle in episode 9. 2. This battle is filming right now and has been for a couple or so weeks already. 3. Recently, Kit has been photographed repeatedly hanging out with Iwan who’s also confirmed to be a part of that battle scene. 4. Kit has been spotted on the battle set. 5. He has been seen around Northern Ireland sets time and time again for nearly two months now. Has he been filming 20 or so flashbacks that would require him to spend that much time in NI? (we’d so not be getting so many flashbacks, esp. of a dead character, anyway, D&D were never big on such plot device, and an abundance of it would only disrupt the flow of the plot). 5. Kit got back to NI right before the battle scene was about to start filming. 6. Jon would have never worn such armour in all of 5 seasons. 7. He got to Castle Black in the very first episode of season 1 and stayed there (only going north of The Wall a few times, never south of CB), he donned the black, which he wore until the finale of season 5. 8. While still in Winterfell, there was no snow around, and Jon had shorter hair/no beard/different clothes. And why would he be wearing Northern/Stark armour at any point there in the first place? So it’s not him from that time. 9. Jon on those new photos has Longclaw. He only got the sword at Castle Black where he was already wearing Night’s Watch blacks. At no point in time would he have worn any clothing of different colour (bar his stint in the wildling’s gear). 10. There’s Bolton’s crucifix thingy on the first photo, so it’s further confirmation this is a battle set near Winterfell. A battle with the Boltons. When would Jon have fought the Boltons in the past? On his journey to The Wall in the first ever episode? lol 11. There’s Miguel Sapochnik talking to Kit. 12. Miguel is filming a battle right now. 13. The cast has been quite coy about Jon’s fate lately. The conclusion draws itself.

      As for a Ned flashback. 1. Kit doesn’t look like young Sean. 2. They’d find an actor who resembled him. 3. They wouldn’t have an actor who played one of the three biggest GOT/ASOIAF characters and who just ‘died’ play another major dead character. Makes no sense. 4. We have a confirmed Ned flashback that is of him in his childhood (not his twenties) and the boy actor for the role is already cast. 5. The TOJ interior was already shot in the first week of August, the exterior is about to be filmed in Spain. 6. Those latest photos are from Northern Ireland (Saintfield) set.

      It’s obvious by now that Jon is not staying dead. The photo is just another piece of proof added to the growing pile.

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    201. BelJC,

      Thing is they aren’t actually lying when they say he is very dead (Loras actor threw script across room) but he gets resurrected from that state

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    202. Why can’t we know the name that the extras are giving to this battle???
      I thought this website was about spoilery news.

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    203. Ghosts Lunch,

      Yeah I know all about the resurrection/Azor Ahai/Jon Stark/Jon Targaryen theories. But if he is actually literally and finally dead, as D&D seem to insist he is, then this is another possible explanation.

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    204. BelJC,

      They only said Jon Snow’s dead. They’re not lying there. They never said he’s staying that way. And the evidence which has been piling up since the end of July points to his physical comeback. He’s already spent too much time in Belfast/around and on GOT sets for that not to be the case.

      ‘Jon Snow’ as we know him is gone, but not the character. He will return as a changed man and no longer be ‘Jon Snow’.

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    205. I think jon will be released from his nw vows, and marches south to winterfell to consolidate power in the north and retake winterfell as a waypoint/strategic point in the battle against others. This will happen after benjen returns and takes lord commandership of the nights watch. Rickon will be found and will be the back-up stark in winterfell/ lord of winterfell (job will be king of winterfell during the battle against the other; i.e.-his dreams and dueling with rob as kids) if anything were to happen to jon during the fight against the others. Starks have always been linked to the others and the wall. Benjen (lord commander), jon (stark commander/king of winterfell/the north), rickon (lord of winterfell/back-up stark in winterfell while jon does what’s necessary), and bran (tree god, warg king, what the hell ever). That’s just my take towards what may be happening in the future of the north.
      *they didn’t use benjon as bait for jon in the show for nothing*

      Se06/ep10 “a time for wolves”

      What do ya think sue? Lol

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    206. Tywin of the Hill,

      One quote in an interview that was conducted in January lol try harder….read his latest interview. Read the latest quotes from some of the cast members. But’s it’s moot anyway. Words are wind. Actions matter. And actions have been denying that little quote from January since August.

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    207. All this while exciting, just confirms how much they screwed over Stannis’ character. In the books it is Stannis reaching out to the Northern Lords. Even if GRRM writes Stannis to lose the Battle of Ice, at least there will be a battle. Not the five minutes hash of Mother’s Mercy.

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    208. Redstar,

      I didn’t say I believed him, only that he was lying.
      January? How could they have made that spoiler 3 months before the season started? There’s nothing in that interview that implies it was made in January.

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    209. El-Bobby,

      I absolutely HATE the theory that Shireen is the sacrifice for Jon’s life. A little girl shouldn’t be killed in order for Jon to live. Even Jon would be horrified at the thought.

      Which is why it’s absolutely par for the course for this story. I could see George doing it. However, it looks like the show didn’t quite want to go there (or if they are suggesting that her death somehow pays for Jon’s life, they’ve separated the event enough from Jon where we wouldn’t associate him with it).

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    210. Hey guys, I have a question for you: Who do you think is number 1 main character of the story; Jon snow or Daenerys?

      I know, most will say both, but choose one anyway and say why do you think so. Thank you.

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    211. Kaka:
      Hey guys, I have a question for you: Who do you think is number 1 main character of the story; Jon snow or Daenerys?

      I know, most will say both, but choose one anyway and say why do you think so. Thank you.

      Sam. Tyrion. Sansa.

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    212. When I read “huge spoilers” in the title I said to myself “I’m not going to open that article”, but then it took me less than a second to click on it and here I am… 😀

      That’s awesome news and picture! And OMG that Stark costume!

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    213. I’m getting married today and got in a lot of trouble. I said this news was the best Wedding present ever. And he’s in Stark uniform and not the black? Awesome. Did anyone else notice his hair is just like Ned Stark’s?

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    214. Redstar,
      Thank you. Beautifully put.

      [Impersonation of Meg Ryan in a film whose name I forget] Yes Yes YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Wonderful to see that photo. I’m actually finding the half-bun quite sexy. In fact the whole new Jon Stark look is very attractive.

      And at last after five long years my husband has conceded that Jon is coming back. I’m making him humble pie for his dinner tonight. 🙂

      To all of us who have kept the faith ‘ Now our watch is ended’.

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    215. The only flashback of Jon’s that would make a modicum of sense would be him from his time with the Night’s Watch, in which case he’d be wearing his NW get-up. This is not what we’re seeing here. This is a brand new development. And the only spoiler-y thing is the outfit. It was clear Jon’s not done in the books back in 2011. And it was quite clear Jon’s not done with the show even right after Mother’s Mercy aired.

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    216. El-Bobby,

      Yes I agree. I don’t like that either.
      But neither do I want Ghost sacrificed.

      It’s a cruel cruel GoT world. But there has to be some happiness and some good people/wolves who survive.
      ARE YOU HEARING ME GEORGE?

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    217. Matt Anderson,

      Ahahaha Matt! Yes, we all feel your excitement for Jon Snow/Stark but holy shitballs dude, get off this site and back to your wedding! You don’t want to piss off your new bride on today of all days. Best wishes, and don’t worry: the hype will still be here when you get back.

      Also yes, I and others remarked the hair is similar to Ned and Benjen’s. I know some people aren’t fans of the “man bun” (it’s a bit hipster I guess), but honestly, it’s just practical. With long hair I carry a hair-tie with me at all times and immediately pull it back if I want to do anything vaguely physical (clinical procedures etc), and pull it up quite securely for gym/running purposes. I can only imagine how annoying it would be to have hair whipping all around you and obscuring your vision in a mock battle when you’re trying to wield a bastard sword!

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    218. Brandon,

      The wounds inflicted on Dondarrion in his many deaths never fully heal, leaving him a scarecrow of a man. The eye he lost never grew back, and he was once killed by a severe blow to the head, which caved half of his skull in. However, it is not the physical damage Dondarrion sustains which particularly bother him, but that coming back each time takes a heavy toll. Every time Dondarrion is resurrected large pieces of who he is, large chunks of his memory are lost. In the books, Dondarrion goes on to explain to Arya that after dying and being resurrected six times, he has lost all of his memories from before the point when Ned Stark sent him out from King’s Landing on the mission to bring Gregor Clegane to justice. He has no memories of the castle he grew up in, or the woman he was betrothed to marry. Even so, Dondarrion is still determined to uphold the mission Ned Stark sent him on; indeed as his other memories fade, he becomes fixated on this one goal he can still remember.

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    219. The confirmation I was just waiting for! He ALWAYS comes back! And to see him in this Stark outfit… I shed a tear. Oh Jon, oh Jon <3

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    220. Melisandre told Stannis “I have seen myself walk amongst the battlements of Winterfell. I have seen the flayed man banners lowered to the ground.”

      Looking more likely she may do just that but she clearly misinterpreted her vision by thinking it’s Stannis who will make it happen. Would not be the first time.

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    221. King in the North Carolina,

      I don’t think he will use that as a way out. In my opinion Jon Snow made too many sacrifices to keep that vow to just give it up now. Killed Quorin Halfhand, gave up Ygritte, I mean too many sacrifices that for him might seem bigger than his own death. Plus he would probably rationalize it that his brothers did it “for the Watch” what they thought it was right.

      However, that doesn’t mean he’ll stay in the NW. He’s a freaking zombie as far as the NW is concerned. Came back from the dead. Not unlike the wights minus the blue eyes and with more memories but will they truly let him stay and prove he’s still a man instead of a undead?! I mean they cast him aside while he was living…. Who will follow him? I would think they’ll throw stones at him and try to kill him AGAIN. Who knows though.

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    222. “This war is just begun. It will last for years. Thousands will die at your command. You will betray the men serving you. You will betray your family. You will betray everything you once held dear… and it will all be worth it, because you are the Son of Fire. You are the Warrior of Light. You will sweep beside this pretender and that one, you will be King.”

      -Mel to Stannis.
      Also could pertain to Jon instead.

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    223. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      You ‘CANNOT’ what? How can anyone help if you don’t say?

      I’ve just received my ‘knight in shining armour’ halloween outfit. All you need do is say the word and I’m there. Without blowing my trumpet….. I am the greatest swordsman in my hall.

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    224. So now that it has all been confirmed……does anyone feel bad for spoiling it for themselves?
      You know a bit like having a look at a christmas present before it has even been wrapped….

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