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  2. Got a dragonrider in the trailer I see 👀 Also even though Michele Clapton is not attached to this series (as far as I’m aware) the costumer design looks fantastic still, particularly the young Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen and Mysaria. Can’t wait!

  3. I’m here for it 100%!!! Excited to see the scene where the lords pledge to support young Rhaenyra, and also badass Rhaenys making clear this is about gender politics.

    Seems like they might be leaning into Daemon’s initial reaction being upset at Rhaenyra being named heir instead of him vs later joining forces with her?

  4. Welp, my expectations have been lowered. I just don’t care about the Targ’s, and knowing how it ultimately ends really takes the fun out of it. I’ll still give it a try but this is the weakest news drop I have seen about the show. It looks properly drab

  5. I can’t wait for the premiere! Last year, I had help out hope it would be in the spring like GOT was, but oh well. I’ll take this too.

    It looks fantastic. The only thing I worry about is how long it’ll take me to differentiate the characters when so many of them have the Targaryen white hair!

  6. wow! just saw this on another site and it looks wonderful!!!!! cant wait to see the premier. Almost as excited as I was waiting for GOT episode one. almost.

  7. The sets look fantastic. The throne! I have a feeling Paddy Considine is going to be a favourite for me. Starting to look forward to this. 😊

  8. Jenny,

    that line about men would sooner put a torch to the throne than see a woman ascending the iron throne had me rolling my eyes.

    That comment wont age well when they find out about Dany’s reign.

  11. Mr Derp,

    Yes, this has me worried big time. Not only is it cringey pandering, but it’s dated cringey pandering from a few years ago. Here’s a thought: why not just let a woman run the show if you’re trying to tell that kind of story, because I’ve noticed often times when you have some dude do it, it lacks nuance, authenticity and subtly and comes across as desperate virtue signaling.

    Meh just like the previous trailer, it’s looking pretty generic, there’s nothing that’s really popping to me and a lot of the dialogue snippets are coming across as cliche and eye rolly.

  12. LatrineDiggerBrian,
    What pandering dude? Clearly you haven’t read the books.

    Here’s from Fire and Blood:

    “ Aegon the Conqueror had been the first Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, not his sister Visenya, two years his elder.”

    “Jaehaerys himself had followed his usurping uncle Maegor on the Iron Throne, though had the order of birth alone ruled, his sister Rhaena had a better claim.”

    Funny enough Jaehaerys himself does the same crap as his predecessors and decides to pass over Rhaenys in favor of Prince Baleor when his successor is decided!

    To which Aly (my fave) has the best reply, and I quote:

    “The most prominent dissenter was Good Queen Alysanne, who had helped her husband rule the Seven Kingdoms for many years, and now saw her son’s daughter being passed over because of her sex. “A ruler needs a good head and a true heart,” she famously told the king. “A cock is not essential.””

    I could go on forever.

    By the time Dance happens a woman who’s in line to take the throne actually strikes back and decides to fight as the rightful heir. And “they” do decide to rather burn it all down rather than let a woman wear a crown. It’s the Andal Law. Basic Game of Thrones universe stuff people! The series is almost upon us and we still don’t know our Targ in universe stuff?!

    Does NO ONE read the source material anymore? 😛

    I need Cregan Stark

    Awesome trailer in my opinion. Super excited!!!!

  13. Also to add. That line is said if I’m not mistaken by the Rhaenys Velaryon, wife of Corlys the sea snake, who was born Rhaenys Targaryen and was passed over because she was a woman and there was a man in need of a throne down the line which Jaehaerys decided will do better, because it had a cock! Obviously I may be mistaken because I don’t know the actress and I may confuse who’s playing who in this series for now…

  14. Seven hells! Someone better pull my half assed comments from moderation! I’ve got loads to say, eh?

    Clearly I don’t do well when I’m moderated against my will 😔

  15. It somehow looks even more impressive than the original show.

    It feels good to see Dragonstone, KL, The Red Keep again,…

    I am excited for this new phase in Game of Thrones universe.

    Long have we waited.

  17. TormundsWoman,

    Nobody can argue against the sentiment, it’s just a slightly cheesy line and kind of amusing given Dany’s fate. It will play better in context i’m sure. I’m a big fan of Tudor history and we all know how desperate old Henry was to produce a male heir. Heaven forbid the throne passed to one of his daughters ugh. It’s a big theme in GOT, Cersei became a misogynist for a reason

  18. TormundsWoman,

    Nah I definitely, purposely stay away from the source material because I don’t want to be spoiled. I’ll take your word for it. I watched the trailer again and it was better. I have to remember that whatever company HBO uses for the GoT series trailers is terrible, because I never liked any of the ones for the original series (even for the seasons I loved). If you want to see a trailer, check out the first Northman trailer (and the movie btw if you haven’t seen it).

  19. ^^ For real? I saw the Northman trailer and thought “this looks like absolute trash that nobody will ever watch and gave it will flop so hard vibes”

  20. Jenny: Nobody can argue against the sentiment, it’s just a slightly cheesy line and kind of amusing given Dany’s fate.

    exactly…it’s just kind of a cringy line and makes we wonder if this show is going to be reduced and simplified down to nothing more than a war over gender and identity politics. I would hope the stories and plots are more engaging than that.

  21. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Here’s a thought: why not just let a woman run the show if you’re trying to tell that kind of story, because I’ve noticed often times when you have some dude do it, it lacks nuance, authenticity and subtly and comes across as desperate virtue signaling.

    💯💯💯 That’s something I desperately wished for certain episodes of GoT as well. I think one of the producers was a woman, I just wish more women had a presence in the writing team.

    Re: The Northman – Definitely want to watch it. I know that the director is usually attached to A24 films which I’m a sucker for.

  22. Mr Derp,

    Not letting her rule because she is a woman is literally the set up for the whole story.

    If you don’t like it, this isn’t the show for you.

  23. Wintery71,

    C’mon, an R rated, ultra violent Viking revenge thriller directed by Robert Eggers and featuring Bjork and William DaFoe and a whole bunch of cool mystical shit. Let me guess, you’re probably going to watch Dr. Strange like three times this weekend.

  24. Mr Derp,

    I don’t mind its inclusion. Gender politics were integral to the subject of Succession. Women were passed over for centuries, they wanted male heirs and the women got shipped off to marry Prince whoever. I just don’t need Girl Power lines, we aren’t stupid, we know that the eldest should be the first in line, and we know that the first in line isn’t always the most suitable.

  25. mau:
    Mr Derp,

    Not letting her rule because she is a woman is literally the set up for the whole story.

    If you don’t like it, this isn’t the show for you.

    If thats the case, then this show will probably suck, but, hey, at least it looks expensive!

    Either way, Ill make the determination on my own if this show is for me or not.

  26. Jenny:
    Mr Derp,

    I don’t mind its inclusion. Gender politics were integral to the subject of Succession. Women were passed over for centuries, they wanted male heirs and the women got shipped off to marry Prince whoever. I just don’t need Girl Power lines, we aren’t stupid, we know that the eldest should be the first in line, and we know that the first in line isn’t always the most suitable.

    To me, the “girl power” lines should be a warning that this show is going to tap into the current wave of ham-fisted identity politics that have plagued t.v. lately, but we’ll see.

    To be honest, this show could be the Targaryens dropping a deuce for the entire hour and some people here would still love it. I’m just hoping for a show that’s a bit more complicated. Not some girls vs. boys crap.

  27. mau,

    (Potential spoilers ahead?)

    You’re right. The absolute vs agnatic primogeniture is entire basis for the conflict in this story, just like Robert not fathering legitimate children was the basis for War of Five Kings, and there’s no way of removing this without re-writing the entire story. And I don’t even see what’s the problem considering it has already been firmly established in GoT that men inherit the Throne or even lordship before women and Dorne stood out as exception among this. What I more wonder about is how much will they go into sympathy angle regarding Rhaenyra because of this primogeniture issue because both sides end up being very messed up according to source material. Judging from the trailer though, I feel they’re more setting up Rhaenyra and Alicent as arch-enemies, not so much Rhaenyra and Aegon. So we have two ladies on each side of the story, both active players so it doesn’t even seem to me it’s leaning into general “men vs women” angle. But of course, I need to see the show itself regarding which side will get more of my sympathy and such.

  28. Dark Sister,

    I’ve seen it twice already, definitely try and check it out on the big screen if you can while it’s still in theaters.

  31. Young Dragon,

    I politely disagree. I was more responding to a show having more “authenticity” and “nuance” had a woman or women been in the writing room. Maybe they could have interjected and said “hey, maybe we can develop this Dorne plot and not have the Sand Snakes reduced to these cringey one-liners”; or “hey, maybe we can do without the gratuitous and casual rape going on in the background when Rast takes over Craster’s Keep”; or “Hey maybe we don’t dive into a shallow sibling cat fight for the Arya and Sansa reunion.” But maybe that’s just me. 🤷🏽‍♀️

  32. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Saw it yesterday! I personally enjoyed it but then again I also loved Valhalla Rising which vibe it seemed to have. That one also is a hate it or love it movie, and audiences by an large at the time it was released here on Netflix I think didn’t really like it if I recall correctly.

    Went in without seeing the trailer and without knowing anything about it too. I just saw the poster and me being half blind and the poster with terrible lighting I believed it was Viggo Mortensen on it 😳… there we went. It was as you said a bit above either that or Dr Strange and I love Marvel but it’s an overwhelming amount of DC and Marvel movies/series I’ve consumed lately so chose something smaller and less known.

    Surprised to recognize the basic line of the plot! The tapestry scene was such a shout out. The actors nailed that scene.

    Also loved the camera work in general and the theatrical way it shot the scenes almost just as you would a play on a stage when you got to Iceland.

    I read afterwards that the play and the movie is from the same source so it totally made sense of why I felt like I recognize it.

  33. Dark Sister,

    I’m a man, and if I was in the writing room, I would have told them to rewrite the Sand Snakes into better characters. And it was a woman who directed the rape at Crasters. And Sansa and Arya have always had that kind of relationship. Men are fully capable of writing good female characters. Women are fully capable of writing good male characters. Men are fully capable of writing bad male characters and women are fully capable of writing bad female characters. Like I said, race, gender, and sexual orientation plays no part in someone’s writing ability.

  34. Young Dragon,

    And let’s not forget that screenwriter Vanessa Taylor (who wrote 2 episodes in GoT) wrote the episode “Garden of Bones” in S2 which is deemed violent even by GoT standards and includes the extensive scene where Ros is forced to severely beat Daisy with Joffrey’s sceptre (apart from that, the episode also includes rat torture, a man’s foot being amputated, shots of severed heads at Harrenhal, Sansa beaten at court and the disturbing birth of shadow baby).

  37. TormundsWoman,

    Same. He was so so good as Dougal. I’ve spotted him in other things in smaller parts but it’s going to be wild for me to see him in HotD.

  38. A little underwhelming but still encouraging for me. I think some of the lack of excitement maybe that I know how the story plays out (unlike GOT) however it feels like it fits well into AWOIF universe from this trailer which is a postive.

  39. Jon Snowed,

    That is basically where i’m at. The curse of the prequel. Ignoring the quality for a second, there was a reason to watch the Star Wars Prequels, those movies were answering a question from the Original Trilogy. How did Darth Vader become Darth Vader and what happened to the Jedi etc etc. I’m not getting anything like that from this show. It doesn’t have a massive connection to GOT, but at the same time it is about that Targ’s and we know how it all ends for them.

    I think it will be really popular to start with, everyone will have a look, even people who hated Season 8. Curiosity will do a lot. Will it keep those viewers? That is the question

  40. TormundsWoman,

    Re: Valhalla Rising. I love Nicolas Winding Refn. It had good style but got too vague / abstract for me in the second half, supposedly it’s based on a play or book. Either way I didn’t get it.

    Glad you liked The Northman though, have seen it twice already.

  42. Jon Snowed:
    A little underwhelming but still encouraging for me. I think some of the lack of excitement maybe that I know how the story plays out (unlike GOT) however it feels like it fits well into AWOIF universe from this trailer which is a postive.

    I feel it’s kind of similar situation if GRRM finished the novels prior to TV show ending which I’m sure many of us would read back then if it was the case. Dance of Dragons conflict is referenced a few times in GoT though but without watching S5’s Histories and Lore, I think a lot of people will go into it pretty much “unspoiled”. What more interests me is seeing a story told as history lore in its written counterpart being adapted as “true fiction story” with dialogue and everything.

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