HBO confirms episode 608 title, reveals synopsis

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We’ve been going back and forth about the remaining episode titles of Game of Thrones season 6, but HBO is playing this one like Littlefinger, keeping all their cards close. Today, the network has finally released some information about an upcoming episode…one of them, anyway.

As reported by European networks and the online HBO schedule, they have confirmed that episode 8 of this season will be titled “No One.”

Along with the title, HBO has revealed the episode description, which does contain a spoiler:

 Episode #58 (season 6, episode 8): “No One”

Debut: SUNDAY, JUNE 12 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT)

While Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) weighs his options, Cersei (Lena Headey) answers a request. Tyrion’s (Peter Dinklage) plans bear fruit. Arya (Maisie Williams) faces a new test.

Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Mark Mylod.

Clearly Arya isn’t dropping dead immediately, despite her seeming to be stabbed in the gut in episode 7, and the episode title is centered around her. As for the rest- is Cersei’s answer to choose violence?

Though there isn’t a lot of new info, I’m glad we have the official synopsis so we can weed out the false ones out there.

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    1. Crazy that they have just confirmed this, less than five days before the ep. airs. I don’t have cable anymore, but don’t most people’s digital menus go two weeks out, and therefore shouldn’t ep. 9 be on there already, or very shortly?

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    2. Maisie said at the beginning of the season that people were going to hate her story this year and that she’s not even in it that much. I’ve actually enjoyed her story (a lot more than last year), and it seems like she’s been in every episode. Was this more M trolling? I hope there is a kicker of a twist for her, one that involves Lady Crane, because her just recovering and having one last fight with the Waif seems too trite.

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    3. Last night my HBO preview said “The Battle of Bastards” for Episode 9.

      Interestingly enough, it did not list the Episode 8 title when I saw the 9 title.

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    4. This is the start of long episodes, so there might be more in it than we think. I hope for a short scene with Bran and Benjen and Meera. I think the north will be episode 9 for the battle.

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    5. Ravyn:
      Maisie said at the beginning of the season that people were going to hate her story this year and that she’s not even in it that much. I’ve actually enjoyed her story (a lot more than last year), and it seems like she’s been in every episode. Was this more M trolling? I hope there is a kicker of a twist for her, one that involves Lady Crane, because her just recovering and having one last fight with the Waif seems too trite.

      The in-fewer-episodes quote came from a disreputable British tabloid and has since been stricken from their article. I hope that there is something great to explain what happened last episode.

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    6. Ravyn,

      Yeah but this is Dan and Dave we’re talking about. I’m just looking forward for more Robert Strong face smashing, and more foreshadowing for LS eventually in the finale. I kinda hope she appears or I’m out $50.Complex conspiracies and faceless man switchers though, they aren’t exactly things D&D excel at.

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    7. About time. Doesn’t really give us anything interesting which makes you wonder why they held it back for so long.

      Still I’m looking forward to it.

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    8. “The Battle of Bastards” kind of sucks as a title. Just too specific to the subject and sounds like a fan made it up.

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    9. mau,

      I think his character is the one who’s in the place he needs to be for the next phase of the story. I was kinda hoping to see more of Rickon before the climax, but, otherwise, it seems like he doesn’t have that much left to do.

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    10. Dee,

      It’s looking like ~7.8 is around the norm for season 6 with four of the seven being that level or above. Sitting at a 7.53 average so far, well above last season’s 6.88 🙂

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    11. mau,

      It is, and a bit disappointing to me personally.

      Plus Rickon hasn’t had anything to do. I thought he might finally be an actual character this year, but nope.

      If he dies, it won’t have the impact it should in my opinion. He’s the youngest of the Stark children. His death should be one of the most tragic. But since he’s had about 5 lines in the history of the series, we haven’t gotten to know him, and thus nothing that happens to him will really matter.

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    12. I really can’t wait to see what Arya is up to.

      Her scene last week was the only scene that was a head scratcher. She has GOT to be up to something why would she be so stupid!

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    13. Ravyn,

      Rickon’s interview made it sound like he did have several significant scenes, and he hasn’t even had a single line, yet. I hope that we get much more before …

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    14. “Cersei (Lena Headey) answers a request”

      lmao

      Whoever writes these needs to get a raise.

      I think/hope Arya will be helped by Lady Crane.

      Sad that there might be no North this episode. They’ve really botched the whole storyline for me.

      Looking forward to Brienne and the Blackfish.

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    15. Ravyn,

      Yeah, but “Blackwater” wasn’t called “The Battle of the Neglected Sons”. “Watchers on the Wall” wasn’t called “Night’s Watch V Wildlings”. “The Mountain and the Viper” is cool because it uses the badass nicknames of these two warriors. They didn’t call it “Oberyn’s attempt at revenge”.

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    16. Flayed Potatoes,

      I agree, the story has been botched for me too. Well, perhaps “botched” is too harsh a word, and the best is undoubtedly yet to come, but let’s just say I’m ten times less excited for BastardBowl than I thought I would be.

      Hell I was more hyped last year when I thought we might get a full on battle between Stannis and the Boltons.

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    17. Ravyn,

      Of those, “Watchers On the Wall” is just a reference to the Night’s Watch, not specific to the battle. “The Mountain and the Viper” was kind of analogous to “The Wolf and the Lion” or “The Lion and the Rose”, so I didn’t mind that. I’ll grant you “Blackwater”, although I didn’t dislike that either.

      Maybe my problem with it isn’t the specificity. It just sounds stupid. Not on the same level as something like “Snow Bowl” but still silly.

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    18. Really curious to see if we’ll get some Jonsa/Branjenra/Ramckon/Daaenio this week. C:

      …I’m going overboard. I know. I’m sorry.

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    19. I will be shocked if we don’t get either Ramsey or John/Davos at least for 5 min just showing preparations for the battle.

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    20. Markus Stark:
      Ravyn,

      Yeah, but “Blackwater” wasn’t called “The Battle of the Neglected Sons”. “Watchers on the Wall” wasn’t called “Night’s Watch V Wildlings”. “The Mountain and the Viper” is cool because it uses the badass nicknames of these two warriors. They didn’t call it “Oberyn’s attempt at revenge”.

      And the ep.9 title is not “Jon Snow vs. Ramsay Bolton’ sot what’s the problem?

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    21. Ravyn,

      I was thinking Maisie had at least A scene in all but “Oathbreaker” (IMDB credits her in all). Whichever, most of her scenes have been really short though, something like four minutes total through the first four episodes. Even her longer scenes since are pretty short compared to other characters. I’m really hoping an episode seemingly titled for Arya’s storyline will feature a lot of her. They need to start utilizing Maisie’s talents more… the kind of stuff that had her standing toe-to-toe with the likes of Charles Dance.

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    22. Adam,

      Agree. The only thing good about it is the alliteration (Battle – Bastards). And it put too much importance to Jon and Ramsay, where this is Sansa’s battle too. Ramsay is not even a bastard anymore. In my opinion, “Battle of Bastards’ is only slightly better a title than ‘Bastardbowl’.

      Simply “Winterfell” would be stronger as a title.

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    23. I CHOOSE VIOLENCE

      Can’t wait to see Cersei wreck shit and prove why the mother of madness and wine is better than everyone else 🙂

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    24. mau:
      There won’t be the North plot in this episode.

      I don’t believe that. They still need to see Wyman Manderly. Or at least WE do. Do you think that will be saved for ep. 9?

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    25. Flayed Potatoes,

      Do not dismay. I bet we get a scene or two up north. They have a little more setup to do before the showdown. I am inclined to think that the Vale troops will show up just in the nick of time and that will be the next we hear of them, LF, or Sansa’s letter, which is kindof lame. But I bet we will have at least one scene up north with our favorite crew this week, and maybe even another inside Winterfell with Ramsay and Rickon

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    26. mau,

      So when will the scene where Davos comes upon Shireen’s stag happen? They are already at the location. Will they remain there in Ep 9? Would they not have moved towards Winterfell?

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    27. Balon01,

      It’s “The Battle of the Bastards”. If you read my comment, you’ll understand what I don’t like about it.

      It’s only my opinion. Mine and many other people. If you like it, good. I’m glad. Not everyone has to like it.

      It’s just a title anyway, it’s not a big deal. I wish it had been more badass. This one just doesn’t appeal to me. That’s all.

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    28. Connor:
      This is the start of long episodes, so there might be more in it than we think. I hope for a short scene with Bran and Benjen and Meera. I think the north will be episode 9 for the battle.

      How long?

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    29. I’m thinking we do get something at least from Jon/Sansa/Davos/et al. Maybe just 2-3 minutes. But I am reminded of 4×08’s “tonight we drink” sequence between Jon and Sam and Grenn and Pyp and Edd. It has become one of my favorite moments in the series; it’s such a beautiful last piece for all five brothers together before two meet their heroic ends in the full-blown battle that was 4×09.

      I think in Season 6’s case it might be more fitting to develop plot a bit more for #TeamJonsa prior to 6×09, but then, 6×09’s a whopping 60 minutes, isn’t it? Pardon the over-the-top math analysis, but:

      That’s a good bit longer than 2×09 (55) and 4×09 (50), and while 5×08 was 60, only half of it was the big battle. Basically what I’m getting at here is that 6×09 can be a brilliant hour of television and an incredible battle piece whilst handling plot setup for its first 15 or so minutes and none shall scoff in the final telling. There’s still time to set things up to a tee; I’d still like a bit more in this coming ep, to be sure, but then, this is the plotline where my heart’s always been set. <3

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    30. Sister Kisser,

      I don’t know if I want to see Ramsay torture porn lol.

      It’s a long episode, so maybe they can spare two minutes with Team Stark. Maybe.

      I think we’ll get a lot of Tyrion though. He’s been absent for two episodes.

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    31. Adam,

      Honestly, I couldn’t give one shit about the episode titles. If it weren’t for sites like this and the back of my DVDs, I wouldn’t even know what the titles were and it wouldn’t affect my enjoyment of the show 1%.

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    32. I almost guarantee the North will be in this episode…

      And also… is the northern storyline “botched” because it is not the end-all be-all focus of the season…

      its been perfectly fine..

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    33. HelloThere,

      I have seen folks claim the North is completely botched this year. I respect their opinions, but I can scarcely fathom it, myself. The North has always been my jam, and especially from Season 4 forward it’s been *the* pinnacle of the Thrones experience. Season 6 is no exception; in fact, it has felt stronger than ever.

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    34. Sou,

      I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Sam was done for the season tbh…

      We’ve not had any filming rumors of Old Town right?

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    35. Im not crazy about the title…

      but its not bad… Its just as on the nose a description as
      The Red Wedding
      The War of Five Kings
      Battle of Blackwater…

      What makes The Battle of Bastards so much worse of a name… cuz GRRM didn’t make it up?

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    36. HelloThere,

      That’s not the reason. Perhaps you should ask people why they hold a certain view instead of making assumptions.

      “It’s been perfectly fine” is your opinion. If it’s been perfect for you, great. I mean that genuinely.
      But let’s stop acting like our personal opinions are facts.

      Many people have found the way they handled Jon in particular to be less than stellar.

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    37. quotes from Maisie before the season –
      ‘this is about a process that she’s going through and its ultimately going to be the best weapon. And when that day comes, when she uses all of this, everyone’s gonna be like, “Wow, that’s so cool!” Which is great, but it wouldn’t have been as cool if you hadn’t seen her go through that process’.

      ‘Arya, who we’ve always loved, is getting pulled apart. But she will ultimately use it to her advantage, just as she always does. She takes every negative and uses it as a positive, and that happens in a big way this year’

      I think what happened in the last episode was all part of her big plan (otherwise its terrible writing and makes Arya look awful). In episode 6 we saw her get needle and hide in darkness, obviously prepared for the Waif. In this episode, she is walking around Braavos in daylight without needle, pays for cabins on a ship with bags and bags of gold/silver and then stands on a bridge with her guard down. That just does not make sense unless its part of her plan. There is definitely something else going on and I cant wait to see what happens

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    38. Markus Stark,

      Well, I do think we will get 2 whole Jon focused episodes (9 and 10)

      I still believe Kit when he said this is Jon’s biggest season yet.
      Though I do agree with the sentiment that Sansa has been more heavily focused on in the recent episodes.

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    39. HelloThere:
      I CHOOSE VIOLENCE

      Can’t wait to see Cersei wreck shit and prove why the mother of madness and wine is better than everyone else

      I keep thinking of that point in the “worst person” conversation between Olenna and Cersei when Olenna tells her, “… rest of your family have abandoned you. The people despise you. You’re surrounded by enemies. Thousands of them. Are you going to kill them all by yourself? Everything she said was almost like a wake up call for Cersei. There’s only one person she truly cares about and cares about her left in KL, Tommen, and he’s not on “her side” anymore.

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    40. HelloThere,

      The character development has been all over the place so far imo and we’re missing some crucial conversations between Jon & Sansa and Jon & Mel (especially about Jon’s resurrection and his state of mind, as well as Sansa’s experience with LF and Ramsay). Instead we got them talking about soup and Old Nan’s pies. I also would have preferred seeing some more Northern politics pre-battle (but maybe I’ll be surprised). And as of last episode, I think we need Davos and Sansa to have a chat, since she’s so mistrustful of him.

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    41. HelloThere,

      Yup, after Bran it was my favourite.

      I actually liked what they did with Jon. I was expecting him to be decisive, resolute, determined to fight….etc.

      I love how he came back, a bit less, a bit more scared, a bit less determined.

      And I kinda liked that Mel kept a low profile and isn’t bothering Jon. She did that with Stannis, trying to push him in the right direction, look how that ended.

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    42. First time posting here guys.

      What is really worrying me is how they will handle the season finale.
      I mean, EP.9 will be completely dedicated to the North storylines, so less time for Dany and Tyrion’s stories…Do you really believe that Dany’s POV will end with the ships sailing for Westeros? How do you deal with her journey back and the battle of Meereen?
      And what about Cersei? Will there be a trial? Or Wildfire havoc? There simply isn’t time to show us these events, and that is frustrating! And we’re three episodes away from the finale!

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    43. Ravyn,

      I think that will be episode 10 for some reason. I think we get Davos standing by what looks like Shireen’s pyre this week. Have a feeling some of Stannis sellswords who abandoned before the battle are still out there in the general area……which will lead to him finding out what actually happened……..

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    44. I think it’s funny that people jump to conclusions when they don’t see a certain area in the synopsis or preview pictures. This episode is what…. 59 minutes long?

      We have for sure: Arya, Kings Landing, Riverrun, Meeren.

      Presumably we don’t have: Greyjoys, Dorne, or Sam.

      I find it hard to believe, the episode before a huge battle, they wouldn’t show Jon and Co. Or Ramsay. 100% we get both of them.

      They showed KL before Blackwater, and the Wall/Moles Town before Watchers on the Wall. I dont think we’re just gonna start EP 9 and both sides are gonna be on the battlefield. They need build up in this episode, and in EP 9.

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    45. Will we not see Bran again until the season finale? And will we see JonSanVos or Ramsay in 608? With all the storylines mentioned in the synopsis plus The Hound, they might not have a ton of time for the North.

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    46. Markus Stark,

      What is the general consensus about where Bran will end up? In reading the books, I always assumed he would stay in the cave and take the 3ER’s place. Will he eventually return to Winterfell and stay there? Not sure how that would go over if he ends up living for 1,000 years or more as the new 3ER.

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    47. I’m hoping against hope the title for episode 9 is different. Battle of Bastards sounds like a PVP game.

      I think I prefer The Bastard(s) of Winterfell or something.

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    48. What other levels can we come up with for the title “Battle of the Bastards?” The internal (sometimes SICK) psychology of bastards in that world? And remember, every dwarf is a bastard in his father’s eyes…

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    49. Clob: He may have a name but he’ll always be a BASTARD!!

      Don’t laugh at it; my grandfather, may he rest, always said: “once a bastard, always a bastard”. He was born out of wedlock too, and although his mother married his dad like 4 years later, everyone in the village referred to him as the Bastard, right up to the day he moved out and came to the city. His own siblings called him bastard. That was before WWII, and I imagine things in the Middle Ages might have been even less politically correct for illegitimate children.

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    50. A Man Grown,

      I think we will definitely see Bran. He needs to get somewhere during the season finale at the latest to conclude his story arc for the season.

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    51. HelloThere,

      I really hope you’re right about 9 and 10.

      I kind of get the feeling the main reason he was on set more than anyone is because filming the battle took a month. And Dinklage has had far less time than usual.

      Hopefully Jon’s story will be juicy by the end of the season.

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    52. aabe:
      What did the leaked summary say? I can’t find it now. All I remember is…

      The leaked summary was always dubious, given the lack of source or the rumored and untrustworthy IMDb poster who’d lied before, but I do love to speculate. This official summary doesn’t directly contradict the leaked summary, but they are saying different things in each and every storyline.

      June 12: “No One”: Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) finds cause for concern. Cersei (Lena Headey) prepares for the worst. Sansa (Sophie Tuner) takes control. Arya (Maisie Williams) is not alone. Written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss; directed by Mark Mylod.

      And compare that to the official description:

      June 12: “No One”: While Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) weighs his options, Cersei (Lena Headey) answers a request. Tyrion’s (Peter Dinklage) plans bear fruit. Arya (Maisie Williams) faces a new test. Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Mark Mylod.

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    53. r-hard,

      Yup, I don’t expect LF until EP9, the scene in the woods/godswood is in EP10 surely.
      I don’t think LF will answer or give any sign that he’ll help. That’s why Sansa won’t tell Jon.

      She’ll be just as suprised as him, when he finally comes.

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    54. Anything in this description that negates the original leaked one? If not, I’m inclined to believe that the wait for this description was because they needed to make a new one so as not to spoil the last two episode descriptions.

      Or not. Who knows. It was just an oddly long wait for this one.

      As for ep 9 being called Battle of the Bastards, I wasn’t into it until it was described to me as being something that would be written in a history book. When someone in their world talks about it in the future, it would be called the Battle of the Bastards. Like Robert’s Rebellion. The War of the Five King’s. The Battle of Blackwater. None of those are exactly thought provoking titles, but it’s easy to relate them to what they refer to. Technically Stannis’s assault is the Battle for Winterfell, so this one can’t be called that. I’ve come to like Battle of the Bastards through this idea.

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    55. aabe,

      This is highly knit picky IMO. What does it even matter what they call the episodes? I mean really? Maybe one day when I’m going back to rewatch I can tell exactly which one is the battle. Other than that. It could have no name and it wouldn’t matter. I guess it really is just a symptom of the show that people scrutinize every single thing about it. I watch a review on a YouTube channel earlier and one dude, had not one compliment or something he like within what he did like. It was all negative stuff. Like oh I didn’t like how the blackfish showed no emotion for Edmure, and when the other guy pointed out, hey its almost like a game of poker with the enemy….. He continued. Some criticism is highly worthy. But sometimes its just feel like people are reaching for anything just to be.

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    56. I wonder if the siege of Riverrunn will actually be shown, or will be handled mostly off screen (Like Yunkai and Meereen were)
      I bet its mostly off screen

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    57. Flayed Potatoes:
      Sister Kisser,

      It’s a long episode, so maybe they can spare two minutes with Team Stark. Maybe.

      I think we’ll get a lot of Tyrion though. He’s been absent for two episodes.

      I would think so, given they had all this time for Brother Ray. And although I enjoyed those scenes a lot, thanks to Ian McShane, we must admit they were not of a great importance for the show.

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    58. Will,

      Me too! I was disappointed when I read the fake synopsis for episode 9. I want it to be solely focused on the north. Dany shouldn’t be in the episode.

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    59. I think we will see the north.

      Honestly on Sunday it was like 9:48 and we had yet to see Arya – and I knew the episode was 51 minutes. And we still got a full Arya scene including a stabbing and it ended with the Hound.

      So anything can happen in just 2-3 mins.

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    60. Arya won’t die, because this faceless men storyline needs to have repercussions for future episodes. With Arya dead, it hasn’t any and the faceless men storyline is for nothing.

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    61. My guess is that this is Arya’s final test.

      There seemed to be some social justice to the assassinations. The the actress job came up, which does not jive. Waif kills anything, probably without thinking about it too much – therefore has not graduated.

      Arya could not kill the good person. This pits her against the waif, who is stronger. If Arya survives and does not use her name as a way of seeking help, then she is truly no one.

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    62. Watchers on the Wall and Blackwater were shorter episodes
      Since ep 9 is 60 minutes, I bet we get < 10 minutes dedicated to a few scenes in other storylines… Hopefully @ the beginning, so the battle isn't interrupted.

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    63. Dee,

      Very true, the best Rickon scene for sure. Really good acting.
      I shall watch it before episode 9, in case the worst should come to pass.

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    64. How can people say there is no build up to the battle. When Sansa and Jon and Davos are going around acquiring soldiers, what is that? Is not like they have a army in place already. Yes they could show Ramsey side more. But with all the stuff they need to get through until the seasons end I totally understand why. And the Bolton’s have their armies in place already. There are a lot of climatic situations happening at the same time in all the regions and all these factions need adequate screen time before they get resolved then to end up in the same area.

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    65. Sou,

      I think so too. The scenes with Ray were cute, but there better be some major pay off to justify them (because I feel like that screentime could have gone somewhere else).

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    66. Ryan:
      I find it hard to believe, the episode before a huge battle, they wouldn’t show Jon and Co. Or Ramsay. 100% we get both of them.

      I don’t know about Team Stark, but I don’t expect to see Ramsay. He has already killed off every supporting character he could meaningfully interact with, or else their episode count is too low. Unless it’s just a scene of him torturing Rickon, which we can hopefully do without.

      lewdvig:
      My guess is that this is Arya’s final test.

      There seemed to be some social justice to the assassinations. The the actress job came up, which does not jive. Waif kills anything, probably without thinking about it too much – therefore has not graduated.

      Arya could not kill the good person. This pits her against the waif, who is stronger. If Arya survives and does not use her name as a way of seeking help, then she is truly no one.

      How could this possibly indicate she’s No One? She retrieved Needle, the symbol of her connection to her Stark side, and she’s now styled to look like Ned and trying to book passage home.

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    67. HelloThere,

      Lol, can’t reply; I do not do spoilers. And if your answer includes one, then… I couldn’t possibly say anything about it.
      Still, I do think we’ll see them arriving to Maesters’ Hogwarts (I cannot remember the name of the place). But I agree we’ll not see much more.

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    68. Why some people still assume certain things based on an extremely short episode summary is beyond me. They cannot mention every arc in a 3 sentence long description. Locations/arcs have been absent from it but included in the episode so many times already. Same goes for the previews. They never give us glimpses of every location that’s gonna be in the ep.

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    69. Laura: I don’t believe that. They still need to see Wyman Manderly. Or at least WE do. Do you think that will be saved for ep. 9?

      Is he even cast?

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    70. Flayed Potatoes,

      Aside from Jon’s reaction to his resurrection, which maybe he just doesn’t want to talk about, none of those things strike me as remotely necessary. Personally, I loved Jon and Sansa’s reminiscing because that’s something you could actually see two long-separated siblings talk about. It makes them seem more real.

      Really, the only conversation/confrontation that needs inclusion is Davos and Mel.

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    71. Laura: I don’t believe that. They still need to see Wyman Manderly. Or at least WE do. Do you think that will be saved for ep. 9?

      Well based on the casting calls for season 6, there are still at least 2 northern lords that haven’t been introduced, one which sounded like Manderly and one which sounded like Lord Cerwyn. Also, the role of Lord Cerwyn, according to the casting call, wouldn’t be filming for long. They’ll be plenty of time to introduce them in episode 9 since it’s quite long

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    72. Dee,

      so far this season only characters/storylines that have been in the preview or synopsis have appear in the episode.

      I actually think The North will be absent and then have a lot of screentime in episode 9 for the battle. Jon has his army and doesn’t have anything else left to do before the battle so it actually makes sense for them to miss this episode. He will likely go into battle with his small army and then LF will show up at the end with the knights of the vale.

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    73. Fienix,

      I really don’t know. Bran’s endgame is one of the hardest to figure out. I can’t imagine he’d be Lord of Winterfell once all is said and done. I’m 99% certain the series will end with Sansa as Queen in the North, or at least, as Lady of Winterfell.

      Perhaps Bran will ultimately die. I always thought Arya and Bran would be much more likely to die than Sansa or Jon.

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    74. mau,

      That really doesn’t match up with his casting info at all.

      What side would he be switching to?

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    75. Davos Seaworth,

      Exactly my feelings. I don’t think a Mel/Jon scene was neccesery as of yet. I do think they’ll get one towards the end, but it will be more about the WW, the war to come, rather then his resurection.
      Jon clearly doesn’t think he is a god and Mel has clearly stopped trying to push things her way, she believes Jon is the prince that was promised, if he is, the Lord of Light will make sure he does the right thing, no need for her to intervene.

      There will be a Davos/Mel scene. No doubt about this.

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    76. Walter Harrow:
      Maisie:
      This is about a process that she’s going through and it’s ultimately going to be the best weapon. And when that day comes, when she uses all of this, everyone’s gonna be like, “Wow, that’s so cool!” Which is great, but it wouldn’t have been as cool if you hadn’t seen her go through that process.

      Arya, who we’ve always loved, is getting pulled apart. But she will ultimately use it to her advantage, just as she always does. She takes every negative and uses it as a positive, and that happens in a big way this year.

      Love these Maisie quotes! Thank you. Here is the source, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/arts/television/hbo-game-of-thrones-arya-interview.html?_r=0, in case others are interested.

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    77. Episode 8 title “No One” was up last night when I checked on HBO’s program schedule, but I did not see a synopsis or titles for episodes 9 and 10. Battle of the Bastards does sound pretty weak IMO, not that I could come up with anything better. It’s a good thing it’s only title of the episode and it really doesn’t mean shit overall, the episode will likely be a lot of fun with a foreseeable “twist” coming at the end.

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    78. Beer Island:
      How can people say there is no build up to the battle. When Sansa and Jon and Davos are going around acquiring soldiers, what is that? Is not like they have a army in place already. Yes they could show Ramsey side more. But with all the stuff they need to get through until the seasons end I totally understand why. And the Bolton’s have their armies in place already. There are a lot of climatic situations happening at the same time in all the regions and all these factions need adequate screen time before they get resolved then to end up in the same area.

      Amen. The Northern storyline is following pretty much beat for beat what I expected, except for Jon and Sansa being reunited so early. I honestly have no clue what the detractors were expecting.

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    79. Better titles for Ep. 9 than “Battle of the Bastards”:

      Bastards
      Snow
      For Winterfell
      Winterfell
      Lady Stark

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    80. Flayed Potatoes:
      I’m hoping against hope the title for episode 9 is different. Battle of Bastards sounds like a PVP game.

      I think I prefer The Bastard(s) of Winterfell or something.

      I love “The Battle of the Bastards.” Too often, bastards are overlooked, cast aside, discounted. They are the downtrodden, the unwanted, the disreputable immediately upon birth. Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things. And now, two bastards who weren’t even born from kings, as far as the story knows, have risen high enough to have one of the last great battles before the Great War named just for them. How awesome is that? Bring on the bastards!

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    81. These last three episodes are long for GOT, so I think we’re going to get more.

      Obviously Jaime/Brienne/Blackfish siege is going to be in there
      Cersei and the Mountain will smash heads–will this be the big episode she goes crazy in? I hope so.
      What kind of fruit Tyrion? Will the dragons help him? Will the red priestess convert everyone? Or will the slavers answer his deal with violence? All 3? And will he also find Theon and Yara waiting to meet with him about their ships?

      Like I said last night–Arya’s story from Sunday wasn’t what it seemed. Too many clues that it was staged and planned. I expect something amazing from her on Sunday, and the Waif getting an F on her report card.

      What we could also see:
      The North definitely. Davos is camped where Shireen died, so that is going to happen-along with Mel chat. I’d love Jon to have more dialogue-something. He needs to have some sort of realization pre-battle-because right now he’s not looking okay.

      Ramsay and Rickon? I’m really good with him not showing up until 9-but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him for a minute or two in the episode before the big battle.

      The Hound doing good works with his axe at the BWB-and possibly learning something interesting.

      *hope* Jorah? Someone has to heal him-maybe in Oldtown so he meets Sam and the Slayer can have a warrior in his party (haha)-but a part of me is hoping Jorah the Andal will get good advice from our masked knower of all things, Quaithe. Something for him to bring back to Dany along with his magically healed-possibly charred and exceptionally strong arm 😉

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    82. Arya put her face on the actress playing Sansa that conspired to kill Lady Crane. She got stabbed not Arya. Waif now has a false sense that Arya is out of the picture and bam, she gets stabbed in the gut next episode. Arya leaves the Waif’s face for Jaqen before she ;eaves and heads back to Westeros to F some S up!

      Critique it all you want, I just came up with this so I have no idea if there are holes in my theory.

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    83. Mihnea,

      I don’t think he’s going back to serve with the people that killed him. He seems done with serving the NW.

      On a more fun note, “Jon Snow: Essosi Sellsword” seems like a cheesy spinoff I’d watch.

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    84. Dee:
      Ginevra,

      Maybe Gendry will show up. He accidentally rowed his way north.

      I’m still holding onto a thread of a hope that he’s in Braavos and is the one that finds and helps Arya. I’m sure we’d have heard whispers during filming but I don’t care… still hoping. 🙂

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    85. Ginevra,

      My title has “bastards” in it too 😛

      Jon and Ramsay have come far though. Gendry should join them and form a triumvirate.

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    86. Clob:
      Sou,

      I was meaning the alternate definition of course.That being that he’s an awful, despicable person.

      Ha ha, that is also true!
      Unless you’re Jaime Lannister and the screenwriters feel generous.

      What I wrote was just to show that in somehow backwards societies, or in the past, being legitimized would not “cure” a person of the social stigma of being a natural child. So I think that for Ramsay, he may be recognized by his father but he would still be a Snow in everyone’s mind (even if noone dared to say so). That was his reason of throwing his baby legitimate brother to the dogs. Well, that and the fact that he’s a psycho and would probably do the same with an illegitimate brother or a random baby.

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    87. Its kind of a flimsy argument

      But technically Arya had no idea the Waif even saw her @ the play… so she might’ve been caught off guard..

      Tho she didn’t have needle on her @ all right?

      Who knows.. I wonder if this was one of those scenes that played out differently in the writers head than what was actually filmed on screen…

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    88. Clob: Maybe Gendry will show up. He accidentally rowed his way north.

      Haha, when last episode had a cold open with a blacksmith beating on an anvil, I said “Oh shit Gendry is back!”

      Nope wrong, as always

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    89. Ginevra,

      Thank you. As you say, the leaked summary is not in complete contradiction with the official one, except for

      “Tyrion finds cause for concern” and “Sansa takes control”. After the preview, I had thought Tyrion’s cause for concern is real (he does look concerned in the pyramid). But if his plans bear fruit, he need not be concerned, right? The fruition of plans could be something involving Kinvara (good or bad). She has to do something before Dany arrives in Meereen. Of course, Kinvara’s actions could also cause concern for Tyrion. But Sansa has already taken control by sending that letter, and it does not look like we will have any North next episode.

      Riverlands (Hound vs Brotherhood, Jaime-Brienne-Blackfish showdown) and Kings Landing will take up considerable amount of time. There is going to be a fight sequence involving Arya and Waif (from the trailer). The writers tend to give a lot of time for Tyrion even if nothing happens in his part of the story, and this time it looks like something will happen in Meereen. That makes five important storylines and leaves very less time to catch up with JonSaVos, Ironborn, and Sam&Gilly.

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    90. Flayed Potatoes,

      Jon’s endgame is quite hard to be certain of, because it depends on so many things. Is he the legitimate child of Rhaegar and does he therefore have a claim on the Iron Throne ? Is he Azor Ahai ? What will happen with the White Walkers ? How will they be defeated ? Will there even be an Iron Throne by the end of the story ? And how will Dany fit into all of this ?

      To me those are just a few of the many question marks that make it hard to determine Jon’s endgame, but as of right now, I’d say the two most likely are either to die permanently after having played a huge role in defeating the WW, or he ends up on the Iron Throne. Which I wouldn’t like but there has been significant foreshadowing that this may happen if he is the legitimate son of Rhaegar.

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    91. Beer Island,

      Like oh I didn’t like how the blackfish showed no emotion for Edmure, and when the other guy pointed out, hey its almost like a game of poker with the enemy

      I just thought he was being realistic. Trust the Freys to keep their word? Especially as Edmure is the former Lord of Riverrun, and is married and [in the books, his wife is pregnent [/spoiler] so the Freys hold on the Riverlands is never safe while Edmure is alive [that’s one of the reasons Jamie offers that he can go to Casterly Rock and live out his days under his protection as a part of the negotiations in the books [/spoiler]

      Frankly, a lot of reviewers just talk loud and have some shtick that attracts youtube attention.

      Beyond that, many people impose 21st century values on what is a fantasy, somewhat medieval, society.

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    92. Clob,

      My ears pricked up x 1000 when Olenna said that 🙂

      Oh, and Lena’s entire face was twitching w/ pure rage @ the end of that scene…

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    93. Flayed Potatoes:
      Sou,

      I think so too. The scenes with Ray were cute, but there better be some major pay off to justify them (because I feel like that screentime could have gone somewhere else).

      You know, I felt as if this was a tribute to the actor; as if Cogman thought “OMG, Ian fucking McShane will be in this, let’s triple his lines”.
      But maybe there was a point in that, as you say. We’ll see. Otherwise, I was just happy to see Ian fucking McShane.

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    94. HelloThere,

      I thought Arya was strolling like that in the open because she didn’t think the Waif would try and attack her in public. She probably thought it would be safer than just staying hidden in an alleyway and get attacked with nobody to interfere.

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    95. Adam,

      Maybe because GRRM didn’t write thie title. The others were obviously big chapters in the books. I like the title, myself. But, with Sansa trying to make a name for herself, perhaps it should be called something else. No clues here lol

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    96. I think Ramsay will be in this episode. He has to have a scene with Rickon. Art made it sound like they had a couple scenes together. I think it would be pretty strange to have Ramsay skip 4 straight episodes and then just show up for the battle. It’ll be 5 episodes by then for Rickon since he wasn’t in 604 with Rickon and Osha.

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    97. Markus Stark,

      Yea, I definitely prefer the idea of Jon completing some time of “mission” in the end game, and then returning to the dead…

      Its hard for me to believe that people like him who have been brought back to life with magic can ever truly belong

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    98. Flayed Potatoes:
      Mihnea,

      I don’t think he’s going back to serve with the people that killed him. He seems done with serving the NW.

      On a more fun note, “Jon Snow: Essosi Sellsword” seems like a cheesy spinoff I’d watch.

      Where he meets up with Dario=Euron=Benjen and they go on a buddy road trip?

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    99. Making the 8: Haha, when last episode had a cold open with a blacksmith beating on an anvil, I said “Oh shit Gendry is back!”

      Nope wrong, as always

      Hey! Me too! I was not the only one!!!!

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    100. HelloThere: But technically Arya had no idea the Waif even saw her @ the play… so she might’ve been caught off guard..

      Tho she didn’t have needle on her @ all right?

      Very good point. She may not have expected such a thing that quickly. Or maybe she figured Jaqen would find her rather than send a faceless assassin immediately. She was more like, “I’m not doing this. I’m getting my things (needle) and getting out of here as soon as I can.”

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    101. Sou,

      If that was the case, they should have given Max von Sydow more to do as well. He’s Max von Fucking Sydow!! lol

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    102. I would say almost with certainty that both the North and Ramsay/Rickon have scenes. Regardless of how long episode 9 is, I still think that in a long episode 8 there’s room for both.

      Whether Rickon lives or dies, it seems odd to bring back Art for a 20 second scene with Ramsay before the battle. I think they should at least have a scene or two, and I don’t think we’ll go no Ramsay right up to the battle.

      Plus, I think we’ll get some Jon/Sansa repercussions for the Vale stuff, because I really think she’ll (hopefully) tell him.

      Btw, if episode 9 is Battle of the Bastards then it stands to reason that episode 10 is Winds of Winter. I absolutely love that. Aside from being a great title (book and show), it’s paying homage to GRRM work, and it’s a title that tells us what we all know – that the real battle is coming.

      I don’t think the Wall falls down btw, not this season – I just think 13 episodes of a WW invasion is just a lot. We want the drama of it, but I think that long and the WWs become camp or mundane, there’s not the same sense of urgency. It becomes like The Walking Dead, and this isn’t that show. Still, I think we’ll have the sense at the end of the season that we’ve reached the top of the rollercoaster and it’s all starting to accumulate.

      Btw I think GOT might be the only show I’ve ever watched where I actually KNOW the titles of the episodes and think about them in advance?

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    103. Dee:
      Clob,

      Well apparently no one heard anything on Benjen coming back. So maybe he is!

      But he was discussed a lot in the show lately; even used as a bait for Jon. On the other hand, poor Gendry… not that I would mind him coming back. After all, almost everyone has this season. Too bad Oberyn Martell couldn’t return too and give some decency to the Dorne plot.

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    104. Clob:
      Making the 8,

      So during that time Arya is sitting around perfectly fine without a face?I don’t think it works that way.

      Have you not seen the classic ’90s movie Face Off with Travolta and Cage? All you need is a wet napkin covering your soft tissue when the face has been removed…

      Kidding aside, if Arya does possess the technique to remove faces and wear them she could easily swap and have the actresses’ face. This would give her a way to leave Bravos with the troupe. Again I think she will take hers back after the target we assume is Arya collapses and dies.

      This even sounds crazy to me but one of these days my bullshit guess will be right

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    105. HelloThere: Im not crazy about the title…

      but its not bad… Its just as on the nose a description as
      The Red Wedding
      The War of Five Kings
      Battle of Blackwater…

      What makes The Battle of Bastards so much worse of a name… cuz GRRM didn’t make it up?

      And none of those were episode titles.

      For the Red Wedding, the title was “The Rains of Castamere”
      The War of Five Kings spanned multiple episodes / seasons.
      For the Battle of Blackwater, the title was simply “Blackwater”

      Either “Winterfell” or “The Wolf and the Flayed Man” or even “Battle of Ice” would’ve been better titles for me, but ultimately episode titles are meaningless. As long as the battle is entertaining, and the episode is good, I’ll be satisfied.

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    106. If the title for episode 09 is

      Battle of the Bastards

      or whatever, I don’t mind it, don’t really care much for titles, but I don’t know why, but I don’t feel like this is Jon’s battle. Hardhome was more his battle than this.

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    107. Dee:
      Clob,

      Well apparently no one heard anything on Benjen coming back. So maybe he is!

      Ohhh!! My thread of a hope may be strengthening!! Thanks! 🙂

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    108. Flayed Potatoes:
      Sou,

      If that was the case, they should have given Max von Sydow more to do as well. He’s Max von Fucking Sydow!! lol

      Ha ha, that is right. But he’s like 90, so maybe nature would not allow it…

      No, of course I am jesting, but just by reading every interview/tweet etc of Cogman you get to see that he is a real fan!

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    109. Beer Island,

      I do have to laugh tho – we’ve spent two days debating every thing else in the sun for post upon post I think honestly we’ve just run out of things to fight about! 🙂

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    110. Making the 8:
      Arya put her face on the actress playing Sansa that conspired to kill Lady Crane. She got stabbed not Arya. Waif now has a false sense that Arya is out of the picture and bam, she gets stabbed in the gut next episode. Arya leaves the Waif’s face for Jaqen before she ;eaves and heads back to Westeros to F some S up!

      Critique it all you want, I just came up with this so I have no idea if there are holes in my theory.

      And she just let Arya put her face on her?

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    111. Clob,
      Mihnea,

      I’m not saying it is inaccurate. Just that if it’s not the official HBO synposis, it is a fake official HBO synposis. And then that leads you to question the individual items. I guess we will know more after Sunday night as to the accuracy of the leaked ones. But they are so vague as is might be difficult to discern even after the episode. Takes control could be variously interpreted. Is concerned could be variously interpreted. I’m sure Tyrion is concerned based on the trailer as it appeared that something (dragons?) were creating an issue in Meereen. It could be the two he released or Dany could have just landed (think more the former than the latter).

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    112. Dee,

      See, I think there’s kind of a little irony in it. They’re both bastards (OR ARE THEY!), but neither in the way that people think. Ramsay was legitimized, and Jon isn’t Ned’s bastard. But both of them have that edge, in different ways, of being shunned as bastards, now both claiming Winterfell.

      Also, I know I’ve said this to you before, but I still really really really believe Kit when he says this is a big season for Jon. I think (hope) we get some developments in episode 8 that really push him, but I also think by the time you see the battle with Jon out there doing the fighting and leading the army (small as it might be), you’ll FEEL like it’s his battle.

      It’s also like how battles are named in memory – sometimes they take on a myth or name that doesn’t have to do with the reality of how the battle is fought.

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    113. I think “The Bastards of Winterfell” works pretty well, even though technically Ramsay hasn’t been a bastard for a while.

      We’ll know in about 7 days either way! I don’t get hung up on titles, though, except when f*cking Cenk kept saying in the WTF review that ep 8 is called “Battle of the Bastards”, over and over and over, which incorrect in several ways. That was annoying AF, but I’m sure he’ll get roasted for it.

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    114. Why is Varys doing the rich-person walk now?

      I saw many posts on the internet about people comparing Tyrion’s walk with hands tied behind with Bran’s in Winterfell and Arya’s in Braavos, calling it ‘walking like a rich person’. Personally, I think only Tyrion and Bran walked like a rich person, as if they owned the ground they walked upon. Arya was watching her surroundings, not relaxed at all (despite having a lot of silver with her) until she was enjoying the view of the Titan and getting stabbed. Varys seems to do the same as Arya in this photo. Minor details, but I really loved the was Bran walked on Winterfell – he was the prince of Winterfell after all.

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    115. Jack Bauer 24,

      Plus it would mean Arya risked everything because she didn’t want to kill Crane, and yet now she offers her up as bait.
      Would also mean Arya is hanging around without a face.

      And she asked Crane to book passage for her across the Narrow Sea so that the viewers would think it was Arya.

      And she taught Crane the magic of the face ritual, or somehow forced it on her.

      Doesn’t seem too likely haha.

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    116. Flayed Potatoes:
      Ginevra,

      My title has “bastards” in it too ?

      Jon and Ramsay have come far though. Gendry should join them and form a triumvirate.

      I didn’t mean to pick on you, of course, Scalloped Potatoes. I just felt like everyone was dissing on a title I loved. Someone needed to defend those bastards.

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    117. Jack Bauer 24: And she just let Arya put her face on her?

      Yes, the actress didn’t have much to say about it since she was dead, Arya respects the woman playing Lady Crane not the dumb young actress trying to have her killed over jealousy. She was a means to an end.

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    118. Markus Stark:
      mau,

      It is, and a bit disappointing to me personally.

      Plus Rickon hasn’t had anything to do. I thought he might finally be an actual character this year, but nope.

      If he dies, it won’t have the impact it should in my opinion. He’s the youngest of the Stark children. His death should be one of the most tragic. But since he’s had about 5 lines in the history of the series, we haven’t gotten to know him, and thus nothing that happens to him will really matter.

      He is the last male heir of Ned Stark a line that streches thousands of years. He is a very important character. If he dies that line die with him. Sansa nor arya would be able to pass it .

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    119. HelloThere,

      Cersei also said “I’ll never leave my son.” I keep thinking that Cersei will even more directly bring the prophesy into being with Tommen. She almost killed him during the Battle of the Blackwater (out of motherly love I know).

      If she does burn the keep/city, will Tommen die before or as a result of?

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    120. Stark Loyalist:
      Sansa nor arya would be able to pass it .

      Yes, they would. This is a common misconception, despite that we’ve seen ruling ladies who passed the name on. Lyanna Mormont is called Mormont despite that it was her mother’s name, for one.

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    121. Jon, sansa and Co. will be on next episode for sure. Sansa’s line from the trailer “it’s all I think about. What was taken from me” wasn’t said yet, her clips that goes with this line also hasn’t happened yet and by the sound/looks of it, it happens before the battle.

      Regarding the lack of ramsay (and rickon), I personally am thankful for this. Yes, Rickon was never the most relevant stark children and was missing for 3 years. But he’s still a stark and he’s just a child. The last we saw him in s3 he cried and begged to go with bran because “he was his brother and had to protect him”. Do we really want to see this poor child getting repeatedly tortured by ramsay? Though I want to know where he and osha were and what they were up to before getting captured, at this point i’m counting my blessings for every episode rickon isn’t in it.

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    122. Nadia,

      yeah that’s true… something may happen thatll push us to believe that it is his battle. feelings and all.

      Edit: On paper it is his battle, I know this as the letter was sent to him from Ramsay. But, I mean feelings wise.

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    123. Re Arya:

      I just noticed that in episode 6 Arya had four scars on her face from her fights with the Waif. One on her chin, one near her eyebrow and two on her forehead. Though I could not tell if she had them in the scenes at the dock, she still had them when she fought the waif.

      If someone made a mask of her face, it was one made after she fought the Waif in earlier episodes during her training.

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    124. Now we know ‘No One’ is the title for ep8, it pretty much says we’ll see Arya finish off The Waif (hopefully with Needle) and head back to Westeros to continue eliminating those named on her Death List – Hopefully not The Hound though !

      I’m curious to see if those other two dragons which Tyrion released have escaped from the Catacombs? I presume Dany riding Drogon along with her Dothraki army are heading back to Meereen. Should be plenty action when she returns there 😮

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    125. Making the 8,

      How did Arya replicate her own face? (She’s used a face once, but doesn’t know how to make them, let alone use her own). Why would the actress where it? Did Arya secretly put it on her? Why is the actress wearing those close? Why is the actress buying passage on a ship to Westeros? Where did she get all that money? If the answer to those questions is she’s working WITH Arya, why? Arya pointed her out to everyone as a murderer who hired the Faceless Men.

      Maybe there’s some weird face-switchery going on. Maybe everyone’s reading into a bit too much and Arya got cocky and then screwed up big time. Hard to say until we see episode 8, but so far every theory (Arya was actually Jaqen, Arya was actually the Waif, the Waif was actually Jaqen/Arya, etc.) has more holes in the story than just the simple truth that the Waif stabbed Arya.

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    126. aabe,

      The leaked descriptions always had the smallest of chances of being right, and that chance got much smaller today, for sure. I’m simply saying there could be scenarios where the two were not mutually exclusive, as small as that chance may be. Events in one storyline can be both good and bad. We sometimes get storylines that surprise us.

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    127. Darkrobin,

      I would imagine Tommen’s death would be the catalyst for her to destroy everything…

      I can’t imagine she’d ever willingly kill Tommen (unless its a mercy killing like in 2×09)

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    128. Dee,

      Yeah, I don’t love Jon’s arc thus far but I do take heart. Kit never said season 5 was huge for Jon – even with Hardhome and being stabbed lol – nor did he say Hardhome was a huge episode for him specifically (I think).

      But who knows, maybe they’re all lying liar-pants, but I’m hoping not!!

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    129. aabe,

      He did have a line in the Season 6 teaser that we haven’t heard yet, but perhaps it was cut. It was something like “We watch, we listen, and we remember”.
      Most likely a deleted/extended scene will feature it.

      I don’t think it would make sense for him to contact Bran from the past. Why wouldn’t he have told Bran whatever he needed to tell him when they were together ?
      Besides it isn’t really time travel, it’s more like the ability to see the past and interact with it by forging a mental connection to someone in the past, through warging.

      It’s not physical travel.

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    130. I asked this in another thread but no-one commented. I don’t mind you all ignoring my amazingly interesting and well thought out questions (that is a joke btw!) but as we are talking ep8 I’ll ask it again: warning! spoilers for the series trailers and the ep8 preview trailer

      So, what do we think the odds are on Lancel surviving “I choose violence”? Someone on Reddit (I think) pointed out that in one shot of the Mountain from the series trailers there is a dent in his chest plate which matches the double spiky pointy thing Lancel is holding in the preview. Lots of the Sparrows seemed to have them when they were outside the Sept last week but in this I can only see him with one. The other weapons are much rounder, although we can’t see all of them.

      O/T(ish): I’m really not good on the geography in the show. Are Brienne and the Hound anywhere near each other at the moment? Could their paths possibly cross again, say if the Riverrun stuff is sorted out and she (presumably) sets off back Northwards?

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    131. Markus Stark,

      Yes yes, whatever it was it was so goddamn wrong! And it was making me INSANE. And I don’t like it when I get that riled about the name of an episode of TV. Love Cenk’s enthusiasm, don’t love that he’s so beyond wrong like 80% of the time. I might be a sadist for watching, but I like the other guys too.

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    132. Flayed Potatoes,

      I think everyone except Sam, Dorne, the Greyjoys and possibly Dany (unless she lands in Meereen this episode, which is why the chandelier shakes) will make it to this episode. It’s a long one, a very long one.

      Most of the episode will go to Riverrun, Braavos and King’s Landing since those arcs will reach an early climax. Second place (in terms of screentime) will be Meereen and the North for final pre-battle setup. Aside from that I expect scattered catch-up scenes from Bran and Ramsay and possibly other storylines.

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    133. Lulus Mum,

      I’d say there’s a good chance Lancel might meet his end. If there’s a big fight he’s either going to have to abandon his comrades while the Mountain tears them apart or die with them.

      The Hound still appears to be around the Vale (I could be wrong, but it looks like that area, where Arya left him). It’s not exactly a day’s ride from the Vale to the Riverlands (where Brienne is going) but compared to most places in Westeros they’re close. The BWB is supposed to be mostly around the Riverlands, and the Hound seems to be hunting them now, so that’ll bring him and Brienne closer together. I think a certain cold hearted Lady may bring them together by episode 10 🙂

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    134. Lulus Mum,

      When I think of Lancel coming at the Mountain with that double spiked “cudgel” weapon, I think of my 6 year old smacking his college football player uncle with a pool noodle.

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    135. Lulus Mum,

      Geography has always been the last priority in the show. If the plot needs it to happen, it’ll happen. And Brienne and the Hound should be relatively close, judging by the fact that he tackled with the Brotherhood (they occupy the Riverlands, and Riverrun is the capital of of the Riverlands).

      So it’s certainly possible. That is, if the story demands it.

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    136. Hmm, is the extent of Sam’s story to steal Heartsbane? I mean it’s a huge deal, absolutely!!! But perhaps if the Wall isn’t coming down there isn’t as much urgency to his getting to the Citadel to find out how to beat the WWs, ie it doesn’t yet feel like a race against time because there’s still so much else going on.

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    137. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Hahah I feel the same. Though honestly even John and Matt who have read the books say lots of things that are incorrect, but its fun nonetheless. I really get a kick out of Ben calling everyone by a different name : “Mayor of Baltimore”, “Eric Bana Jr.”, “Richard from Downton Abbey”, etc…

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    138. Lulus Mum:
      O/T(ish): I’m really not good on the geography in the show. Are Brienne and the Hound anywhere near each other at the moment? Could their paths possibly cross again, say if the Riverrun stuff is sorted out and she (presumably) sets off back Northwards?

      I’m afraid I don’t have a strong opinion on Lancel. There isn’t enough to go on, I fear.

      Lem Lemoncloak and the other two hooligans were part of the Brotherhood without Banners who are famous for their work in the Riverlands, which is of course where Riverrun is. So close, yes. I absolutely adored the nod to Brienne in the last episode!

      Ray, after we’ve seen Sandor carry a fucking tree by himself: In all my days I’ve never seen a man swing an ax like that. How many men did it take to cut you down?

      Sandor: Just one.

      Ray: Ooh. He must have been some kind of monster.

      Sandor: He was a woman.

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    139. What about this. Tin foil hat on.

      I saw a tin foil theory that the waif and Arya were actually the same person. It makes sense from a literary standpoint in that the nameless waif symbolizes “no one” and Arya is still Arya Stark. If Arya desires to truly be “no one”, this is going to take a major battle. Perhaps you would even need to “kill Arya” in order to truly become “no one”.

      Perhaps this is the final test all Faceless Men must face (pun intended) in order to truly become Faceless Men.

      Tin foil or not, this device would be something I might use in a story.

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    140. jdtargstark:
      Jon, sansa and Co. will be on next episode for sure. Sansa’s line from the trailer “it’s all I think about. What was taken from me” wasn’t said yet, her clips that goes with this line also hasn’t happened yet and by the sound/looks of it, it happens before the battle.

      Why are you assuming that line was before the battle? And in any event, 609 won’t just start with the battle, so it occurring prior doesn’t inherently dictate it’s in 608.

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    141. Lulus Mum:
      I asked this in another thread but no-one commented. I don’t mind you all ignoring my amazingly interesting and well thought out questions (that is a joke btw!) but as we are talking ep8 I’ll ask it again: warning! spoilers for the series trailers and the ep8 preview trailer

      O/T(ish): I’m really not good on the geography in the show. Are Brienne and the Hound anywhere near each other at the moment? Could their paths possibly cross again, say if the Riverrun stuff is sorted out and she (presumably) sets off back Northwards?

      It’s easy to feel ignored on here. Some people know each other well and engage naturally and there are so many posts to read through its easy to get passed over but I don’t think it’s personal.

      As far as the Hound goes, I suppose it depends where he is likely to head.

      Lancelot seems to be in the face off against the Frankenmountain so I think he’s toast. After all Cersei will want him silenced.

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    142. Sean C.,

      True, but I think it would be odd to get no North – there do feel like there are a few things left hanging that don’t need to ALL be in one episode. I don’t think they’d leave the North and Ramsay out of the episode before what is in theory on of the biggest battles the show has done

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    143. Ravyn,

      IIRC she actually said Arya’s season 6 story is a return to form, back to the Arya we all know and love.

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    144. Making the 8,

      Arya would have to actually have her face cut off in order for it to be “put on” someone else.

      Although, in the books, I do believe that the graduation ceremony (can’t think of a another way to call it) of a Faceless Man, does involve them actually getting their faces cut off so indeed they do become “no one” and then can wear the faces of others.

      But the TV show did not go this route, so that was Arya getting stabbed in the gut, not someone with her face, her face never got cut off.

      Arya got something up her sleeve, or Jaqen is going to help her because I think we all agree he does have affection towards her.

      Or perhaps, unbeknownst to her, this was actually a test on the Waif, that she failed. Because he told her to not let Arya suffer and stabbing her in the gut was malicious. Maybe Arya passed the test because faceless man are only suppose to kill the deserving and the Waif just takes pleasure in killing.

      IDK man, I am glad we will find out this Sunday. This might be Arya’s season 6 finale.

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    145. Mihnea,

      Do you think Brienne and Pod in the boat in the trailer are them with the BF escaping Riverrun via river? I couldn’t tell from the trailer but it looked like she was in the castle somewhere meeting with someone and it could have been the BF (in addition to the meeting on the bridge). Maybe there’s a secret way to escape?

      as there was in the books under the gates guarding where the river flows under the castle.

      Also, the episode 10 description Brienne meets friend turned foe. Would Jaimie follow her? Or would he get word from KL about the aftermath of whatever Cersei does next episode and go to KL? If he follows, could they fight again as they did on the bridge?

      I wonder in the books if the BF is the one to finally kill LSH? Who else could get close enough to her to do it? He escaped from RR. the BwB are all about the Riverlands. Could he save Brienne, Jamie and Pod?

      Just wanted to get your opinion.

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    146. Looper,
      The rate people are dying off this series it’s easier to try and guess who’ll still be alive 😀 I suppose it would give Kevan, HS and others reason to hate Cersei even more, if she allows her ‘pet’ to kill/very seriously injure her cousin. They could certainly refuse her trail by combat if he kills some Sparrows in advance of it. I did giggle at the fact Lancel’s now wearing sandals, indoors no less, and looked really “What am I doing here?” grumpy last week as a possible sign his keenness for the pious life is wavering.

      Had a random thought because of the similar looking landscape that if the Hound and Brienne (or Pod) are thrown together for some reason he could find out that Sansa is back in the North and get involved in Team Stark again. Maybe sent on a mission to try and find Arya? It would give him some kind of purpose again and maybe some peace/closure/sense of achievement etc. I just like a nice ending, me. Yes I know I haven’t been paying attention. La LA LAAAAAA Ramsay, can’t hear you! 😉

      Lyanna_Targaryen,
      I guess he could try biting the Mountain’s ankles or maybe tickling, or confusing him with philosophical questions? He’s too strong to try and bring down that way so gotta think outside the box and go for any weaknesses 😉

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    147. Hope they bothered to give Jon a character moment or two before the battle so that he isn’t reduced to a mindless war machine entirely. At least one scene with Mel, him expressing his thoughts about his comeback/purpose in life/identity and the battle, whatever.

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    148. aabe,

      You make an interesting point. Maybe that title is a total mislead. Ramsey isn’t a bastard anymore so maybe Jon won’t be either. Jon was legitimized by Rob and the letter was signed, sealed, and witnessed by Rob’s lords. Who probably all died at the red wedding but there is one guy left from that group who might have that letter. Or at least the knowledge of that letter. The blackfish. The next episode

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    149. Lulus Mum,

      On the geography, I agree, they make it fit the story. I would say that where Arya left the Hound is weeks from RR, given it took the Hound and her weeks to get there. But Ray could have taken him back closer to RR. But given the mountains where the Hound is, it cannot be too close.

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    150. Looper:
      Making the 8,

      How did Arya replicate her own face? (She’s used a face once, but doesn’t know how to make them, let alone use her own). Why would the actress where it? Did Arya secretly put it on her? Why is the actress wearing those close? Why is the actress buying passage on a ship to Westeros? Where did she get all that money? If the answer to those questions is she’s working WITH Arya, why? Arya pointed her out to everyone as a murderer who hired the Faceless Men.

      Maybe there’s some weird face-switchery going on. Maybe everyone’s reading into a bit too much and Arya got cocky and then screwed up big time. Hard to say until we see episode 8, but so far every theory (Arya was actually Jaqen, Arya was actually the Waif, the Waif was actually Jaqen/Arya, etc.) has more holes in the story than just the simple truth that the Waif stabbed Arya.

      True, I agree that the simpler answer is probably closer to the truth. But as we just sit around to wait and see this Sunday, we speculate and come up with theories on top of guesses. I stated that I don’t think I’m right and the idea just came to me but I don’t think Arya replicated her face I think they switched faces and not because the actress is working with Arya.

      Let’s say Arya uses her knowledge of potions and knowledge of the actors getting drunk after each show to knock out the actress who hired the FM to kill Lady Crane. Arya respects Lady Crane but not the younger jealous actress right? She called her out in front of everyone for being a backstabbing bitch. So after Arya slips some herbal shit into the actress’ drink, Arya switches faces with her and uses her as bait to lure out the Waif. Arya knows she did not follow the rules of the FM which is why she retrieved Needle, booked passage out of town, and did not return to HoBaW. Arya is on the run and using what she has learned up to this point to stay alive. Arya is in fact Arya in the scene where she is buying passage to Westeros but not when she gets stabbed.

      As I write this it all sounds like crap to me though. Maybe to cloak and daggers but essentially that is what it is with the FM assassins. Or like many have said, maybe Arya was just caught slipping and didn’t realize that suspicious old lady was going to shank her.

      Either way, there are better theories/ideas of what’s really going on by folks who are far more informed than I on this thread.

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    151. Lady Clairol:
      Sou,

      My father had a similar experience in the early to mid 1930s. Does that make us Snows?

      Well, I am well in the South, so it would probably make me a Sand…
      That’s it, I now have to learn how to use a spear. Or a whip.

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    152. TYRION!!! How I’ve missed ya! TWO episodes were just too much for me. Thank the Red God he’s back this episode.

      I quite like the title: Battle of the Bastards! I wonder if, in a sense, both “bastards” will lose and the battle saved by Sansa and her allies.

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    153. Ooh other people replied while I was answering the first two:

      Jentario
      It was just the similar looking landscape that made me think of it. Sometimes I imagine places in the show are really close together and they turn out to be hundreds of miles apart, although of course you are right with the plot bit. Someone wise once said A journey takes as long as the plot requires it to and that applies to distance as well.

      Halfman
      Aww thank you 😀 but no need to worry about me, I really was joking, I know quite a few people on here to chat to and often bore them with my random stupid thoughts! People like…..

      Ginevra
      Hi sweetie *jazz hands waving*. I’m thinking everyone will die so if anyone is still alive for S7 it’ll be a bonus 😉 Does Lem have mates called Mel Meloncoat and Bill Billberryblouse? ?

      Throne-To-The-Wolves
      Love it, although obviously only if it applies to certain people!

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    154. A little late to the party, but regarding the title for Ep 9. I wouldn’t mind “The Battle of Bastards,” but something about it just doesn’t sit well.

      As some have proposed, “The Bastard(s) of Winterfell” would have more ring to it. This would refer to both Ramsay (even if he’s technically no longer a bastard) and the Bastard of Winterfell, Jon Snow.

      Or “The Snows of Winterfell,” which again plays on their status as bastards and also the weather conditions in the north. Though this one may not be the best choice if Ep 10 really is titled “The Winds of Winter.”

      Or even “The Flayed Man and the Wolf,” which would be in line with prior titles (“The Wolf and the Lion,” “The Lion and the Rose,” “The Mountain and the Viper”).

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    155. One big fear I have right now is Ramsey marching on Castle Black. If he still thinks Sansa is there with Jon he may do that. Unless the Glovers or others tell him Sansa is out recruiting houses to retake Winterfell.

      I have this fear that Benjen will be taking Bran back to CB right around the time Ramsey is there. I have no reason to believe this will happen, I’m just paranoid.

      I’m also looking forward to a reunion of Bran, Sansa, Jon & Arya at some point. probably in Season 7? although there is the remote possibility it could happen at the very end of season 6.

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    156. Jumbo,

      She might say smething like she saw him in the flames and now it’s time to fulfill his destiny – and her walking the battlements of winterfell – more like moral support and less like manipulation what she did to stannis

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    157. Ginevra,

      I wonder if part of Loras’s atonement could be part of the trial by combat? If that actually occurs, I’m getting doubtful that it willl as it would seem the HS may try to pull something before that and that’s when all hell breaks loose (based on what JP said in that interview)

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    158. Darkrobin,

      I do hope in the show Blackfish escapes Riverrun and they don’t kill him off prematurely! I know they need to consolidate but save Clive Russell!

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    159. Darkrobin,
      I read your last line as the Mountain, as in his brother, is where the Hound is and got really confused. I know my grasp of the layout of Westeros is a bit shaky but I didn’t think it was that bad! 😉

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    160. Dee,

      Lol, in the books Robb names Jon his heir. I don’t THINK it’s a spoiler as the show never did it – there’s no heir to Robb here, and with Bran and Rickon alive on the show and the books (but Robb didn’t know) it wouldn’t necessarily hold? I don’t know but I think it’s why people are conflating it with the show and suggesting that Jon will eventually get the backing of the Northern lords and end up KITN, if that’s where the books are going.

      Or maybe it’s my fanfiction 😉

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    161. Nadia:
      Darkrobin,

      I do hope in the show Blackfish escapes Riverrun and they don’t kill him off prematurely! I know they need to consolidate but save Clive Russell!

      Amen to this. They are bringing back characters to kill them off which is essentially tying up loose ends, fine. But some must avoid this treatment otherwise its too predictable. Save Clive! I have at least 5 characters right off the top of my head that seem to have run their course but I like having the BF back.

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    162. Making the 8,

      I know it’s annoying to hop on this train, but so much depends on how important LSH is to the actual plot, right? If in the books we think Sansa will eventually run into her, or Blackfish runs into her, or the RIverlands is important, can all that be skipped on the show? And maybe they can skip LSH, but does that mean that Blackfish has no purpose, or does he serve a greater storyline?

      Save Clive!

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    163. Lulus Mum:

      Ginevra
      Does Lem have mates called Mel Meloncoat and Bill Billberryblouse? ?

      He does now! As I’m sure you know, Bill Billberryblouse is second cousins once removed to Bilbo Baggypants.

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    164. Sean C.: Why are you assuming that line was before the battle?And in any event, 609 won’t just start with the battle, so it occurring prior doesn’t inherently dictate it’s in 608.

      But are they also going to have Davos confronting Mel in 609?

      Seems like at least one of those scenes should come before 609.

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    165. Jumbo,

      He got plenty of character moments in episode 3…

      But this is a consistent thing that has been happening with Jon ever since the very beginning of the series.

      It doesn’t make me upset, but I do remember Jon being my absolute #1 favorite character in the books, which he isn’t even close to in the show…

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    166. Ok I read this spoiler here and have been thinking about it but please skip if you don’t want to be spoiled!

      someone posted Sansa tells Jon Rickon is dead. I don’t think she does it to lie or be devious. I think she almost says to him – look Rickon is basically as good as dead if he’s with Ramsay. So in episode 9, Battle of the Bastards, it’s either Sansa telling him to wait on the Vale because there’s no reason to rush for Rickon OR she’s telling him to fight as a Stark/Ned’s true heir/King in the North. It would be interesting if Sansa really pushes him to really take control in an assertive way before the battle

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    167. mau,

      Yes….

      Have VFX source who works in major firm used by this series. This plot exists, different from the way you expect if you’ve read the books. Northern plot in episode 10. Northern Houses converge in Winterfell post battle. Express regret for not following Jon into battle. Big speech for fat Northern Lord where he struggles to kneel and calls Jon his King. Other Lords follow. Proclaimed King in the North and Jon Stark.

      In addition, (though less positive) told the shot from trailer where Littlefinger glances behind at something circling when someone comes into view, is Winterfell godswood. CGI stick used for the rear glance shot. Told CGI stick used for Ghost who encircles LF, and the face to face is with Jon. LF will make a big claim of knowledge he is in possession of to Jon. Wish to reiterate less positive this is accurate. VFX source did no work with this supposed scene. Second hand info.

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    168. Dee,

      Haha it’s not. Well, I mean some part of it could materialize right? Jon COULD become King in the North – they’ve made a big deal of bringing up Robb multiple times. I thought it was really telling that in that scene with Lyanna Mormont they referenced the letter and had her say that line again – “Bear Island knows king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark” – and in some ways a lot of this season is Jon subtly laying claim to being a Stark.

      It could be the show’s way of getting to the book endpoint – ie the North just backs Jon – without a convoluted “the will got saved and then taken away and then it reemerges etc etc.”

      I know a lot of people think Sansa will be Queen in the North, but as much as I think her arc has taken precedence over Jon THUS FAR, I don’t actually see any evidence that the North will declare for her or that they have any deep loyalty to HER. Both times she’s met Northern lords she’s been smacked down. Lyanna Mormont leads Bear Island because there’s not another choice, but Jon as the military commander just seems the more natural choice for them to rally behind.

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    169. HelloThere:
      Jumbo,

      He got plenty of character moments in episode 3…

      But this is a consistent thing that has been happening with Jon ever since the very beginning of the series.

      It doesn’t make me upset, but I do remember Jon being my absolute #1 favorite character in the books, which he isn’t even close to in the show…

      It may be that he is such a fan favourite that we cannot get enough of him. I mean, honestly, the Hound got nothing compared to Jon, but it still feels it was the other way around because we want more!
      Generally speaking, I think the whole season 5 and the cliffhanger in particular really created the impression that this show is about Jon, when it isn’t, or rather it isn’t ONLY about Jon. After all, the title is Game of Thrones, not The Curious Case of Jon Snow. So now it all came back into perspective and we all feel kind of cheated. Still, there still are 3 episodes, so maybe I am just writing all this for nothing!

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    170. Medic Mike: You make an interesting point. Maybe that title is a total mislead. Ramsey isn’t a bastard anymore so maybe Jon won’t be either. Jon was legitimized by Rob and the letter was signed, sealed, and witnessed by Rob’s lords. Who probably all died at the red wedding but there is one guy left from that group who might have that letter. Or at least the knowledge of that letter. The blackfish. The next episode

      That’s book material. There was no letter on the show.

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    171. Roz’s Ghost:
      One big fear I have right now is Ramsey marching on Castle Black. If he still thinks Sansa is there with Jon he may do that. Unless the Glovers or others tell him Sansa is out recruiting houses to retake Winterfell.

      They’re marching around the North with thousands of Wildlings, now joined by <500 Northern soldiers. I doubt the Umbers missed that.

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    172. Sou,

      Season 5 in many ways were the seasons of Jon and Cersei, and both have taken somewhat of a backseat in recent episodes so the show can return to other storylines that they haven’t got to yet…

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    173. Nadia,

      I fully understand, but as it stands right now, they wont back an unlegitimized bastard, regardless if he was the leader of army or whatever. I don’t see it. (I love Jon, but it goes against all the bastard stuff since season 1). I predicted the QitN before the season started, and I am seeing it more and more…

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    174. Dee,

      ALSO I just think they’ve made such a big deal of Jon not being a real Stark, of being a bastard, of not being able to give Stannis the North over and over again. For this to be a huge season for Jon, as Kit says, it has to be something different than that. It can’t just him be fighting a battle and then watching Sansa become Queen in the North because he’s not a true Stark.

      All I want in my life is for Lyanna Mormont to say that line about Jon 😉 I know it’s fanfiction and it will never happen, but a girl can hope.

      Dany at her lowest has always had her name and then her dragons. Jon, even now with an army going to war against a despicable human, is being told over and over that he’s a bastard and therefore their war isn’t legitimate. You can tell that it’s getting to him, so again there has to be some payoff there. Right? 😉 🙁

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    175. Dee,

      I think it’s more likely they’ll back Jon if he wins the battle as a strong leader to lead them forward than Sansa – it’s the way of the North. I still really think Sansa’s story has more to tell in the Vale and Riverlands, but more than that, we’ve seen no evidence that the North is particularly inclined to support Sansa herself.

      But also, I really don’t think SANSA has the goal of being Queen in the North?

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    176. Dee,

      Somewhere at the end of season 3 right after Cat frees Jaime. They never show the actual letter happening but Robb talks to his mother about it on the show. She objects and he reasons that everyone but Sansa is likely dead. And she is now a Lannister and he doesn’t want them having a claim on the North

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    177. Nadia,

      There has to be. But I cant see how they get around the whole “bastards have no claim to anything”

      But maybe Kit meant the

      R+L=J reveal

      to be a JON episode – so Jon himself may not find this out just yet, but we will see it.

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    178. Dee,

      Or maybe the WWs change things? I have no idea. Will they care if Jon is trueborn son or not if they believe that WWs are coming and he’s fought them and beat Ramsay? Vale or no Vale, if the North is meant to remember anything, you’d think they’d remember the Long Night.

      I mean, the one reference we get to WWs, Lyanna Mormont believes him. Now, maybe no one else believes it, maybe it never comes up, but after Robb I think the North will value strength, not just the name.

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    179. The letter isn’t shown on the show but the conversation he has with Cat is. Right after she let’s Jaime go and she’s cut out of the meetings.

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    180. Jumbo,

      You know something I don’t? hahaha

      Nadia,

      Sansa going back to the Vale? Eff that. I am not down for that. hahaha
      She doesn’t want to be the Lady of Winterfell right now, but she will have to after rickon dies. And she said in episode 5, that Winterfell is THEIRS, and Arya’s and Brans and Rickons. She wont leave.

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    181. Just because some stuff isnt mentioned in the summary doesnt mean that it wont be in the episode. I just find it kind of stupid if there would be nothiing of the NOrth in episode 8 and then they are jumping right into the battle the episode afterwards.

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    182. Markus Stark:
      mau,

      It is, and a bit disappointing to me personally.

      Plus Rickon hasn’t had anything to do. I thought he might finally be an actual character this year, but nope.

      If he dies, it won’t have the impact it should in my opinion. He’s the youngest of the Stark children. His death should be one of the most tragic. But since he’s had about 5 lines in the history of the series, we haven’t gotten to know him, and thus nothing that happens to him will really matter.

      Maybe for you. How can one giant that says “Hodor” all the time have an impact? Mind u he was not in it last season and brand storyline has been short.
      When I think of Rickon I picture him as a Stark when he stayed at Winterfell and said everyone is gone. When he hid with brother and came out only to find their home destroyed.
      If we feel bad for characters that were introduced and killed in one episode or characters that lasted 4 episodes the audience will have an impact to Rickon if/when he dies.

      PS Why do people want to see Ramsay? We know where he’s at and we know who he is. Let that time focus on other characters.

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    183. Even when they dispose of Ramsay and retake Winterfell, things are not going to be safe and settled there. Once Cersei gets wind of the Starks being back in Winterfell (particularly Sansa, who the Crown sees as a wanted criminal), she will send out an army to deal with them.

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    184. Nadia,

      You make a good argument
      I am not sold on it, but maybe you are right, after all, all that would be left of the North (if Jon and co are to prevail) are those who chose to fight for Jon and Co , so maybe you are right.

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    185. Medic Mike:
      The letter isn’t shown on the show but the conversation he has with Cat is. Right after she let’s Jaime go and she’s cut out of the meetings.

      No, it isn’t.

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    186. Dee,

      To be fair, they’re not rushing to back Lady Lannister-Bolton either. Davos convinced Lyanna Mormont to give them her 62 men because of the respect her uncle had for Jon and the fact that they both see the bigger picture, which is the war with the WW. Both Jon and Sansa have strikes against them.

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    187. Dee,

      Lol I hate the “MMHMMM we’ll see! ;)”

      I think in the North, I don’t want to be spoiled. I believe Jon and Sansa will obviously win, and that’s kind of enough for me. I have hopes how it will go, and I hope that it won’t drive a wedge between them (I really just want to know that she tells him about the Vale) but beyond that, I’m excited to see.

      Maybe not on the Vale? I don’t know. I posted earlier, but I wonder if Bran makes it to the Wall, will Jon go back to the Wall? I think Jon’s story is obviously in the North, but I don’t know if that means he bases himself in Winterfell or he goes to the Wall. If he goes to the Wall, Sansa stays in Winterfell. But because D&D traumatize me, I don’t see Jon and Sansa just staying together in WF or for the rest of the story, I think their paths diverge, if not their goals.

      But really, I see no evidence that the North is going to back Sansa to lead them. She’s been smacked down by two lords AND Davos in terms of understanding the Northern lords and people. She’ll earn their respect back, but I haven’t seen anyone feel compelled to declare her their leader.

      Even the Mormonts, Lyanna was swayed because Jon fought the WWs.

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    188. Sean C.: They’re marching around the North with thousands of Wildlings, now joined by <500 Northern soldiers.I doubt the Umbers missed that.

      When thinking back on what Jon told Ygritte I think it’s interesting that Jon is currently planning to go into battle with essentially a small Wildling army. He told her they can’t win, don’t know how to fight together, etc. (Did he six times?) “Six times they’ve tried, six times they’ve been defeated.” Now he’s in a situation that HE’S the one that has to take on a more prepared and better fortified force with a band of rag-tags.

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    189. Jumbo,

      Um, with what army? If Cersei tries to destroy King’s Landing this season and Riverrun is under siege, who is going North to fight the Starks?

      I think the Lannisters as a ruling force are done, but Cersei and Jaime still have roles to play.

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    190. The only way it would make sense for the Manderly/”Fletcher” character to show up in Episode 10 is:

      (a) if the battle doesn’t conclude in Episode 9;

      (b) the source for the casting call had inaccurate information; or

      (c) the storyline for the character changed after casting.

      If we recall, the casting source said the role called for “a stirring speech during which he unexpectedly shifts political allegiances”.

      It doesn’t make sense for Manderly to ‘unexpectedly’ shift political allegiances to Jon/the Starks if the Starks already won the battle.

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    191. Jumbo:
      Even when they dispose of Ramsay and retake Winterfell, things are not going to be safe and settled there. Once Cersei gets wind of the Starks being back in Winterfell (particularly Sansa, who the Crown sees as a wanted criminal), she will send out an army to deal with them.

      Provided that she will have dealt with the Faith by then, because right now she cannot even get out of her chambers.
      And it will have to be an army NOT led by her brother, because I don’t think he would march against Sansa.

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    192. Making the 8:
      Arya put her face on the actress playing Sansa that conspired to kill Lady Crane. She got stabbed not Arya. Waif now has a false sense that Arya is out of the picture and bam, she gets stabbed in the gut next episode. Arya leaves the Waif’s face for Jaqen before she ;eaves and heads back to Westeros to F some S up!

      Critique it all you want, I just came up with this so I have no idea if there are holes in my theory.

      I had much the same theory pondering events in my bath this morning and am happy to see that’s it’s not so “tinfoil” that others can come to the same conclusion. My thought was that Bianca is pissed that the Faceless Men didn’t honour her contract re Lady Crane and that she has now been sacked from her “Sansa” role. She goes back to the HoBW to complain, gets given some bags of gold and Arya’s face as a disguise to get her out of Braavos. This explains “Arya’s” sudden wealth, her new clothes and her apparent carelessness hanging around the streets of Braavos, and also her sudden return to health for her parkour in the scene revealed in the season trailer.

      Or not, of course!

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    193. Nadia,

      The Lannister/Frey army currently in Riverrun (if or when they wrap up the siege). Or the remaining Lannister forces from the Westerlands. Jaime said in the episode he expects to command all the Lannister armies soon, so it’s clear they didn’t bring all their men to deal with the Blackfish.

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    194. Nadia,

      Yeah, I understand

      In regards to where they go, I don’t think Jon is going back the wall. Winterfell will be the main hub to fight the wightwalkers. HELLOOOOOOOO WINTER IS COMING? its only fitting.

      The wall will fall at the end of the season, or the middle of the next 7 episode season, and going to the wall is a death trap.

      Unless the idea is that as soon as the wall falls, the “great war” happens immediately, and therefore the wall wont fall till season 8, until all the humans are united to fight them. or something

      Its quite hard to tell at this point LOL.

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    195. Jumbo:
      Even when they dispose of Ramsay and retake Winterfell, things are not going to be safe and settled there. Once Cersei gets wind of the Starks being back in Winterfell (particularly Sansa, who the Crown sees as a wanted criminal), she will send out an army to deal with them.

      Cersei has little power to do anything even now. The only possibility is Jaime taking the Lannister army and doing what she wants. He said they have 8,000 men. With what’s going on now and possibly going to happen in KL I don’t think the crown would have enough support and strength to do anything if the whole of the north is once again reunited. Rickon being a prisoner is the reason they’re moving quickly, but the ultimate goal is getting rid of Ramsay and bringing the north together to fight the WW horde. If they’ve taken Winterfell that means the Boltons are done and defeated.

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    196. RJ:
      The only way it would make sense for the Manderly/”Fletcher” character to show up in Episode 10 is:

      (a) if the battle doesn’t conclude in Episode 9;

      (b) the source for the casting call had inaccurate information; or

      (c) the storyline for the character changed after casting.

      If we recall, the casting source said the role called for “a stirring speech during which he unexpectedly shifts political allegiances”.

      It doesn’t make sense for Manderly to ‘unexpectedly’ shift political allegiances to Jon/the Starks if the Starks already won the battle.

      I agree.

      If the Manderly’s just show up after the battle is won like, oops, sorry we didn’t support you before but we’re here now, kinginduhnorf!”, then that will stupid and truly anticlimatic. I don’t use “character assassination” often when it comes to the show, I’ve only really used it for Loras, but that would really make Wyman a shitty version of his book counterpart; and honestly not even worth including in the series.

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    197. Ravyn,

      I thought she had hinted in an interview that Arya isn’t on screen as much as we think she is. I’ll have to go back and search for that interview. She loves playing with the fans.

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    198. My guess is that after Winterfell is retaken Jon will head back to The Wall with a proper army, Bran will be at CB or heading south to Winterfell. And we will be left with a promise of another Stark reunion this time sprinkled with an immensely hypetastic potential thanks to the specific vision Bran will have in E10.

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    199. Adam,

      I don’t think it’s as bad as people are making it out to be. “Hardhome,” “The Red Woman,” “The Lion and the Rose,” “The Mountain and the Viper,” and “Blackwater” are all very specific titles, and some of them are among the most renowned episodes of the series.

      The series has long emphasized the marginalization of bastards and their plight in a noble world. Yet here we are in S6, and one of the most important battles the realm has scene in some time is being led by two of these bastards. I think it’s worth calling out in the title, personally. Two men fighting for what *technically* should have never been theirs in the first place.

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    200. Nadia,

      I agree Nadia. I can see roles for him beyond the siege. You never know who will die next but I can hope that he will escape with Brienne and Pod.

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    201. Dee,

      Not me. My heart will break into a million pieces if poor Rickon is tortured or killed by Ramsay. Don’t think I’ll be able to watch it.

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    202. Sullied by Knight:
      Ravyn,

      I thought she had hinted in an interview that Arya isn’t on screen as much as we think she is.I’ll have to go back and search for that interview.She loves playing with the fans.

      She said that she may be in the trailers MORE than we think she is.

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    203. Flayed Potatoes:
      Sister Kisser,

      I don’t know if I want to see Ramsay torture porn lol.

      It’s a long episode, so maybe they can spare two minutes with Team Stark. Maybe.

      I think we’ll get a lot of Tyrion though. He’s been absent for two episodes.

      I LOVE Peter, and I LOVE Tyrion, but his scenes this season (besides letting loose Viserion and Rhaegal) have been so, so, so boring. Meereen itself has been such a snooze fest. I hope it gets better.

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    204. Sean C.,

      And I would assume, maybe incorrectly, that where Jon, Davos, and Sansa are (which is where Stannis was) is between WF and CB. Otherwise, that ride Mel made makes even less sense. Deepwood Motte is on the west side as is WF. LH is on the East Side. I would think that Ramsay would then have to go around in some sense where the Stark army is to go to or from CB.

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    205. aabe,

      The episode is more about the battle than the location of the battle. “Blackwater” would have never been called “King’s Landing.” I think the battle is much more about the characters and their motivations, rather than the physical place of Winterfell.

      I’ve come around to the title. I can’t say I don’t understand your perspective though. It lacks some rhetorical gusto. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing though, and it’s surely a very purposeful decision.

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    206. mau:
      There won’t be the North plot in this episode.

      Just because a story arc is not mentioned in the synopsis doesn’t mean it won’t be included. There’s almost certainly at least one North scene we’re likely to see this weekend…

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    207. Clob,

      You are absolutely correct. And that was with 100,000 men. Of course, the NW had the Wall. And if Stannis had not shown up, it is very possible that sooner or later the tunnel would have been breeched. Or enough climbers got over the wall. So like the Gaul hordes in the Gaius Marius era, they could overwhelm poorly generaled Roman forces but not well generaled ones. But with less men, no, that would seem ill advised.

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    208. Nadia,
      actually what i read:

      spoiler****
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      ramsay and jon have a face off and he agrees to free rickon. When he does this sansa tell jon “he’s already gone.” and ramsay shoots him with arrows killing him. This is what really begins the fighting.
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    209. Jumbo:
      Even when they dispose of Ramsay and retake Winterfell, things are not going to be safe and settled there. Once Cersei gets wind of the Starks being back in Winterfell (particularly Sansa, who the Crown sees as a wanted criminal), she will send out an army to deal with them.

      Cersei will be busy saving her own ass by then. lol

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    210. Clob,

      Also, Cersei’s children are doomed – either this season or next season Tommen dies (gold will be their shrouds). And Cersei at some point is going to try and destroy KL’s. Once Tommen is dead, under what authority can the Lannisters attack the North?

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    211. sirensong,

      It’s the problem with Mereen. I think the show – rightfully – sent two of its most intriguing characters to Dany to try and cover some of the book snoozefest of her time in Mereen. Having Tyrion with her gave Dany some really fantastic scenes. But it’s the problem with the location that even really interesting characters can only do so much with a plot that is limited.

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    212. lpR7,

      It seees to fit what I read. I heard ep. 10 is the big Jon episode, not only Jon is in it but a lot of stuff happens with him. Since TOJ is in finale.

      Also Lyanna Mormont have some speech. Not sure about LF and it’s interesting. I wonder where or how Ghost will be used. That would seems he survives. Littlefinger might know about Jon’s parentage. That sems crazy but he gave a sort of look to ansa when she mentioned Lyanna being raped by Rhaegar.

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    213. Kamali,

      Though in truth, that version of events does fit with Manderly only filming a day and the absence of any Manderly men at the battle site. I previously was speculating that Manderly declared for the Starks but his men didn’t arrive in time for the fight, to increase jeopardy.

      If that really is all that Manderly and Cerwyn are for, then Sansa really is contributing nothing to the whole retake-Winterfell campaign. Sigh.

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    214. iz,

      Ahhhh PLEASE cover your blatant spoilers, it’s hard to scroll past things that are clearly typed out

      I really don’t want to know about the exact workings of the battle or what happens – it’s still fun for me to speculate because I love the North.

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    215. Nadia,

      You could send Bronn, Tormund and Wun Wun and Meereen would still feel pointless.

      Because we know it’s not important. Dany will leave the city eventually, hopefully soon, so everything that happens there feels like filler..

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    216. Rewatching the NO ONE preview and the season trailer, I can’t really make out if the person doing parkour in Braavos is really Arya, we can only see the back and and a millisecond long shot of face. While it appears like her, I wonder why they decide to spoil this chase and also in the synopsis, if they ended the episode on a cliffhanger. Usually they are much more cagey than this.

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    217. Mihnea,

      We’re not disagreeing are we?

      But yes, the show sent interesting characters there, fast forwarded through it, but it still feels like a total drag. Maybe people care about Missandei and Greyworm but I do not at all (eep sorry).

      I question why they aren’t cutting it though – seems the burning of ships is PROLONGING Dany’s Mereen adventure, because she could just come back with Dothraki and leave, but I guess the Dany/Ironborn connection IS important and the siege of Mereen matters? I don’t know, I don’t really care about the siege, but it’s seemingly happening.

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    218. Nadia,

      Yes, who would be king given what we know on the show? If the HS survived I could see a theocracy. But I doubt he does. Could Margaery become with child? Would she survive the coming whirlwind? If not, the Baratheon line as far as we know would be extinguished ( I realize that neither Tommen nor any child of Tommen is blood Baratheon). The Iron Throne would be there for the taking. Chaos. Ashes.

      Yes Dany and likely Jon are Targaryens. But their line was overthroned. It would have to be reestablished by a great council or by force.

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    219. With all of this discussion about upcoming episodes, particularly the battle in S6E9, any further speculation as to…

      the figures on the burning crosses?

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    220. Nadia,

      We agree that Meereen is a aweful location that needs to burn in dragon fire.(it won’t though)

      I think they kept the fleet just in case they wouldn’t do the Ironborn story.

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    221. jinx47,

      There are no Frey’s in the North. The actor has 1 day of filming. Mandarly will not play a big part. If anything he will be a nod to book-readers and that’s that.

      I couldn’t be more happy that we don’t have those ridiculous pies. I really disliked that entire silly idea.

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    222. Lulus Mum,

      Lancel is most likely going to die. He is the lead Sparrow there … I believe the High Sparrow sent him on purpose, so that Kevan will be devastated by the lost of his son and return to Casterly Rock.
      I don’t expect a new meeting between Brienne and Sandor. I suppose she will try to reach Sansa as soon as posible. But Sandor should meet someone else … maybe Arya.
      I still hope Arya will appear in episode 10 to kill Walder Frey.

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    223. jinx47,

      There aren’t any Freys in the North, to begin with. Frey Pies was never going to happen. And the Manderly character filmed for only one day.

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    224. Mihnea,

      Lol amen.

      That’s odd reasoning right? I mean, they write the season together, why would they burn the fleet and hedge on sending the Ironborn? You’d think that has to be planned out in advance.

      Just feels like they COULD make the shortcut and they didn’t. Now Yara and Theon are in Volantis with a fleet, and Dany is headed back to Mereen, so obviously stuff goes down.

      For me, it enforces that the Wall doesn’t fall and Dany invades NEXT season. And at least initially, it’ll be Jon/the North vs. Dany/Ironborn/Dorne taking the South.

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    225. Mihnea,

      That 5 year gap had to be bridged somehow, didn’t it? 🙂

      We learned she hates slavery.

      I think Daario said it best Dany was born to conquer and not rule especially after the send unburning. Meereen proved she needs the wise counsel of others in order to rule appropriately. Fire and blood conquers more easily than it rules.

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    226. Geralt of Rivia,

      That was my reaction when I read the spoiler above. What info could LF have relevant to Jon. Only his parentage and in truth that’s very possible. It would completely believable for him to know the truth about Jon.

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    227. Halfman,

      How would that be believable? That would be a complete jumping the shark moment for me. No one else in Westeros knows this but LF somehow does?

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    228. Nadia,

      The fleet was first mentioned in S4. That’s when they added it, I believe in case they wouldn’t do the Ironborn plot.

      Now the decided to do it, so that fleet burned

      They couldn’t send Dany to Westeros in S4-5, mostly because the other stories wouldn’t be ready.

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    229. Dee:
      Nadia,

      I didn’t read it I saw spoilers and scrolled immediately – why can’t people cover them lol

      Personally, I also avoid long posts even if there are no spoiler tags. I mean if someone has written more than 5-6 lines I feel he/she is bound to have written something that I probably wouldn’t like to find out about!

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    230. Mag:
      Lulus Mum,

      Lancel is most likely going to die. He is the lead Sparrow there … I believe the High Sparrow sent him on purpose, so that Kevan will be devastated by the lost of his son and return to Casterly Rock.
      I don’t expect a new meeting between Brienne and Sandor. I suppose she will try to reach Sansa as soon as posible. But Sandor should meet someone else … maybe Arya.
      I still hope Arya will appear in episode 10 to kill Walder Frey.

      There must be a reason, Arya, Hound, and BwB all are being featured heavily these past few episodes. While using Arya’s over dragged and complicated storyline to give the ending that also satisfy a lot of people wishing to see some more controversial characters.

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    231. Nadia,

      This seems to me to be a “we needed to get them in a similar place on the show as in the books.” In the books there was no fleet. What remained of the Meereenese fleet went over to the Yunkai. So she had no ships. On the show, the Yunkai were defeated and when they agitated again, Daario and his second sons set them right. So there was no simmering external conflict. So Meereen kept its ships. Well they needed a reason for the Ironborn to provide the ships. So the ships had to be burnt.

      Yes, on the show there certainly was less reason to stay. The city was not surrounded by enemies. They had a fleet. But 8,000 or so unsullied were not going to reconquer Westeros so, like the books in all likelihood, they needed the Dothraki. So she needed to wait so that the Harpies could attack, she could ride off on Drogon, and become khal of all the khlasars. Now they will have the Yunkai and company attack. She will defeat them. And they will leave with the Ironborn fleet. Whether Euron throws a wrench in Yara’s plans, that remains to be seen.

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    232. Darkrobin,

      I think, it’s more like ”let’s keep it just in case”.

      Remember they first added the fleet in S4 so they wrote/thought this out around when S3 was airing…. I doubt they knew they’ll send Theon/Yara then..etc.

      But this does fit with them liking to bring known characters togheter. So when they planned Theon’s story I think they liked the idea of him and Yara going there and meet Dany…. So of course that fleet had to go.

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    233. Nadia,

      Because as someone who at the time of Robert’s Rebellion he was very close to Jon Arryn. Why was Jon named Jon? After who? Cat mentions Jon Arryn was like a father to Ned.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHvRaNrNSY
      It would be believable for Ned to have sought Jon Arryn’s counsel about what to do with Lyanna’s baby. And LF has a knack of finding out people’s secrets. So it wouldn’t be jumping the shark imo.

      If they’re going to reveal R+L=J there must be a plan to make it make a difference or what’s the point if no one can substantiate it?

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    234. Mihnea:
      HelloThere,

      Judging from the preview I think you may be wrong.

      Brienne and others inside RR clearly draw their swords.

      It’s only Brienne, Pod and the blackfish in that shot, with another of her and Pod on a boat looking back. I’m guessing they slip out (as he does in the books).

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    235. Jumbo,

      The Northmen are more worried about Boltons than the Lannisters. If Boltons are destroyed, there is not much to worry about from (the South). No southron army has taken or even entered the North without help from the Northerners. And winter is coming. Lannister-Tyrell alliance may have 15000 men, but that does not mean they can conquer the North. The terrain and the weather is against them, all the Northerners have to do is to defend.

      If Tywin Lannister was alive, then things would be different, but no one thinks much of Cersei’s political savvy except for Cersei herself.

      ETA: I sometimes wonder what will happen if Sansa sends a raven to Cersei telling that it was Littlefinger and the Tyrells who murdered Joffrey, using Sansa as a pawn.

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    236. Mihnea:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      To be completely honest, the meeting waits for Davos rather then Mel.

      I think he’ll find where Shireen burned, perhaps even the stag, and then confront her.

      I am intrigued by this scene as I am sure he won’t be able to do much about Mel due to her upcoming important role in success of Stark efforts.

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    237. Nadia,

      Yes and no. I think, though I could be wrong, that in asking Mace to lead the Tyrell army against the HS, they said the Tyrell’s had the second largest army in Westeros, implying the Lannisters still have the largest.

      There are 8,000 with Jamie and there are other armies as he told Bronn that he Jamie would soon be the head of all the Lannister armies. There are likely forces in the West towards Lannisport. Surely the largest army is Westeros is more than 8,000. I recall, don’t remember whether books or show, that Renly had up to 100,000 marching to KL. That would have been the Reach (the Tyrells are said to have 50,000), most of the Stormlands, etc. Presumably the Lannisters had two armies of 20,000 plus and could re-raise them if they had the coin and officers to do so.

      That’s still power. Whether Jaime will be in a position to use it, that’s more problematic.

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    238. Mag,
      Mmm interesting idea about HS sending him to die. I don’t get the impression he would sacrifice one of his followers on purpose, but perhaps he believes that whatever happens is the will of the Gods anyway, so if a confrontation takes place, deadly or otherwise, it was meant to be. And maybe they have the concept of glorious martyrdom as well? (I must confess I tune out when HS is doing his religious speeches, I’m only interested in the bits that are important to the plot, not the exact detail of what he believes.)

      As for the Freys, we’ve all been waiting what seems like a lifetime for their comeuppance and it looks like it won’t be too long now 😀

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    239. So I see there’s a ton of speculation about where all the Starks will end up. Here’s where I think they’ll all be by the end of the show:

      Sansa – I think there’s a strong possibility she’ll end up using Littlefinger to get her hands on The Vale. She’ll marry Robin and then off them both. Hopefully with a trip though the Moon Door. Maybe she’ll even kill Robin herself and have Littlefinger blamed for it? Lord Royce would no doubt back her up. Having a Stark there would also be hugely important for their hold over the North, strategically, because of the size of The Vale’s army.

      Jon – I can’t see him not being ‘Warden of the North’ once his lineage is legitimised. His pact with the Wildlings and his knowledge of fighting the White Walkers have to make him the prime candidate. He’s much more ‘of the North’ than Sansa is anyway.

      Arya – I think she’s destined to die (not yet), BUT I’m a big fan of the theory where she wargs into Nymeria. I know the super pack hasn’t been mentioned on the show, but all of her training to ‘lose herself’ seems to be building her up for that. It also feels like something they’d do after nearly all the direwolves appear to be gone. The pack will probably fight against the White Walkers alongside the dragons (fire and ice)

      Bran – My gut feeling is that he’s destined to be absorbed into the root system under the weirwood tree in Winterfell. After The War for the Dawn, he’ll reaffirm the vow to always keep a Stark in Winterfell by doing this.

      Rickon – He’s a gonner! And probably by the end of the season. Who knows? Maybe he’ll become wight Rickon if the White Walkers turn up at Winterfell post-Bastardbowl?

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    240. Dani,

      Lineage legitimized? When?

      Also Sansa would not kill someone for no reason. She’s not a killer

      She will have LF killed , MAYbe. But not robin..

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    241. Sou,
      Some of us are just really bad at doing short posts! 😉 I always try to explain my thinking in mine and don’t go for the x happens and that’s the end of it approach. I’m like well, it could be x, y, or z, or maybe none of those. I am always careful to cover spoilers though, so my posts may be tedious and waaaaay too wordy, but at least you won’t see info you’re trying to avoid 😀

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    242. There are only four confirmed storylines for episode 608:
      -King’s Landing
      -Riverlands
      -Braavos
      -Meereen.

      Every other episode has had at least about 6 different storylines, so it’s safe to say that (being a long episode), there will be more storylines indeed.
      Options:
      -North (very likely)
      -Dany (I don’t think she will miss three episodes this season)
      -Theon/Yara
      -Bran
      -Sam

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    243. jdtargstark,

      This!

      I am fine with Rickon not being shown. But do know for sure a Stark will die by the end of S6, based on leaked summary by the Reddit user, all of which has been coming true with each aired episode. So if not Rickon, then who?

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    244. I think that there will be scenes in the North in Episode 8. The main reason I’m inclined to believe that is that the show went out of its way to establish in Episode 7 that the army was camping in exactly the same spot that Stannis’s army camped in last year. That gives Davos the perfect opportunity to stumble across the remnants of Shireen’s funeral pyre (which we know will happen from the trailers), find the charred remnants of the stag he gave her, and confront Melisandre about what happened to her.

      The reliable spoiler source who has been right about the past three episodes has also said this confrontation will happen, though the episodic placement of the scene was not specified.

      Now granted, I suppose that scene could happen in Episode 9 as well, or even Episode 10. But I would find it odd for the show take great care to establish that the Northerners were using Stannis’s old campsite, only for them to leave without Davos learning the truth. That would mean that after the battle, Davos would need to leave Winterfell, travel back to Stannis’s campsite on his own, find the pyre, come back to Winterfell, and confront Melisandre. That’s possible, of course, but it seems unnecessary when he could learn the same thing right now.

      I’m not entirely sure why they would hold off and punt that reveal to the finale, unless they don’t want to deal with Davos’s emotional fallout on the eve of battle. Having Davos confront Melisandre about Shireen’s fate before the battle could potentially incite further discord in the ranks of the Northern command. That would be good drama, although Jon, Sansa, and Davos have plenty of issues to deal with already, as we saw in the last episode.

      Now that I think about it, the nature of Davos’s reaction to Shireen’s sacrifice may determine when the confrontation happens. If Davos learns the truth before the battle, I could see him reacting in one of two ways. He could be enraged, and confront Melisandre immediately (he’s not given to destructive impulses, but as we saw in “Valar Dohaeris” when Melisandre taunted him about his son, he has his breaking point). Or, if his practical nature takes hold, he could bury his rage and grief until after the battle, lest he incite further trouble for his allies. After the Starks win, he could confront Melisandre in a less politically charged situation.

      If Davos waits until after the battle to confront Melisandre – or if he doesn’t learn the truth until then – I could see the scene being quieter one. I’m having a hard time envisioning a scenario in which the Starks have reclaimed Winterfell, everyone is (relatively) happy, and Davos chooses that moment to angrily burst into the room and demand answers from the Red Woman. That’s not to say it couldn’t happen, just that it would be somewhat tonally dissonant.

      Overall, I’m starting to suspect that as angry and heartbroken as Davos will be to learn the truth, he won’t react violently. To say that Davos would “forgive” Melisandre for sacrificing the young Princess is a big stretch, but I could see him deciding not to retaliate against the Red Woman because she’s aided their cause, he doesn’t want any more bloodshed, and because killing her won’t bring Shireen back.

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    245. Regardless of what happens with Davos, I will be very surprised if we don’t get any Northern scenes in Episode 8. If there’s no sign of any of those characters when the promotional photos are released later this week, then I’ll be more inclined to believe it. But I’m not going to assume that they’re entirely absent from a 59 minute episode just because they weren’t mentioned in a three-line synopsis or featured in a 40 second promo. The first time I watched the episode promo, I missed the brief shot of the Hound swinging the axe. If not for that one-second tease, we would have no indication that he’s going to be in this episode either.

      If we get any Northern scenes in Episode 8, they’re unlikely to be action-packed, since the action will be in Episode 9. In that light, it makes sense that they would be left out of the preview in favor of the brewing war at Riverrun and shots of the Mountain preparing to tear the head of a Faith Militant member clean off. Perhaps the North will ride the bench in Episode 8, but as of now, I’m unconvinced.

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    246. Yes meereen is boring ..so they made better with sending tyrion there to make it better

      What abouy tyrion story who is doing pig ridings in AdWd ..

      All this speak of character development and screentime makes me laugh ..

      In the books dany effectively brings peace and so she keeps meereen united when they face yunkai amd volontis ..

      But now its tyrion who brought the peace …its only because of him that she still has a city to rule ( this comment was made on a discussion by a show watcher)..this comment is irritating when we know what really happens with meereen…

      everything he has done in season 6 is dany’s story from ADWD ..

      She feeds the city and poor and affected under siege .

      She comes to the conclusion on herself that SotH are ghiscari legion and not one person..

      She actually planted olive trees ( takes 7 years )and established trade with Lzhareen and initiated more farming outside the city..

      She seeked the help of green grace a priest of meereen to heal and help her people ..

      She knows she needs the city on her back and decides to marry hizdar for the people

      She does all this things when tyrion is busy riding pigs and being a slave ..

      So those who say she is terrible ruler and fit to rule tell me how tyrion is better when he is doing the same thing ..

      But of course none of this matter because we know dany is terrible ruler and its her destiny to be conqueror not a ruler and we hate her and it’s boring story line..

      Season 4 meereen got 29 mins and season 5 got more than that thanks to tyrion and daznak pit ..but everything from,dany’s humanizing moments and self doubts all but taken or given to tyrion..

      And talk about sidelining or overshadowed by other characters ..everyone from jorah to hizdar is more humanised and made look good while made dany look bad and terrible instead of other way around

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    247. Jack Bauer 24: And she just let Arya put her face on her?

      No, the idea here might be that Arya offered to teach the young actress how to change faces, and the actress’s first test run was to buy Arya passage on a ship using Arya’s face. I have no idea how this would work or how Arya would know how to do it, but the whole face-swapping thing seems a bit ill-defined (as magic usually does) so who knows if it is possible or not.

      While this idea popped into my head the first night, I think it is a longshot. More likely, that was either Jaqen who got stabbed (most likely, as he owes Arya his life) or it was Arya, but with some sort of pig’s blood deception going on. If not those two, however, the Sansa actress is next in line. Syrio is fourth, because that could theoretically be awesome (no idea how that would work, but sometimes writers can be clever…)

      That being said, the idea that the stabbed person was the actress does have one nice merit in that tricking the Waif into murdering the person who called in a hit for bad reasons would have a satisfying level of justice attached to it.

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    248. dragonbringer,

      Your love and loyalty to Dany as a character is remarkable 😉

      Btw I don’t really disagree – it might be sacrilege, but I don’t love Tyrion the way others do. I get that he’s GRRM’s favorite, but I’m not as obsessed with his character as everyone (especially D&D) is.

      Having said that, for the majority of people, Dany’s book storyline is horrendous, and the only way the show has been able to make it interesting is to eliminate basically all of it and have her and her dragons burn shit or make aggressive speeches.

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    249. dragonbringer,

      My point before I got carried away was they made tyrion story better than what he had in ADWD not the story of meereen or dany.

      And I pray to god that scene from preview is not a scene him interacting with dragons like dany did with drogon in 502

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    250. Miss Stark,

      Or just covering them. I think there’s no harm if people discuss and cover them. Or people can speculate on what they believe will happen. But what the heck people just posting out in the open “X happens,” things not revealed in the previews, it’s not cool.

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    251. Flayed Potatoes:
      Jumbo,

      I hope so! I want Jaime to go north so badly.

      But Jaime clearly wants to go back to KL to be with Cersei… He says as much in the teaser. And given the fact that Brienne escapes on a boat with Pod (and likely the Blackfish), and the shot we have of the Freys celebrating, it’s almost certain the siege is lifted peacefully son there’s nothing else for Jaime to do but go back to KL.

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    252. Sean C.: No, none of that ever happened. It’s one of the most common things from the books people “remember” having happened on the show.

      Yep. Just like the “FrankenMountain is called Ser Robert Strong” thingy. Never happened on the show, yet people were continually insisting the name was said.

      It’s called the Mandela Effect. A common example of that in the real world is the Berenstain Bears. Many people are absolutely convinced it’s spelled Berenstein (with an “e,” not an “a”).

      In any case, Rob never made a will on the show. It’s a book-only thing.

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    253. Dee:
      Dani,

      Lineage legitimized? When?

      Also Sansa would not kill someone for no reason. She’s not a killer

      She will have LF killed , MAYbe. But not robin..

      Sansa will kill LF. Probably in E10, but if not, eventually. Sooner or later she will learn that he betrayed her father. In fact, some axe-wielding madman is wandering around, carrying that information with him right now! When she does learn of the betrayal, the axe falls.

      As you may recall, there is a residual book prophecy concerning Sansa that would be appropriately fulfilled if she killed LF in Winterfell

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    254. Jumbo: Even when they dispose of Ramsay and retake Winterfell, things are not going to be safe and settled there. Once Cersei gets wind of the Starks being back in Winterfell (particularly Sansa, who the Crown sees as a wanted criminal), she will send out an army to deal with them.

      What army?

      The one that’s currently busy helping the Freys retake Riverrun?

      Or the one that will likely be going back to Highgarden with Olenna Tyrell?

      Oh, the one who’s trying to deal with the Faith Militant and the High Sparrow?

      Yeah the Lannisters ain’t doing crap about the North any time soon.

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    255. Nadia,

      Nadia:
      dragonbringer,

      Having said that, for the majority of people, Dany’s book storyline is horrendous, and the only way the show has been able to make it interesting is to eliminate basically all of it and have her and her dragons burn shit or make aggressive speeches.

      Which is hated even more by the watchers here and made her looks more mad entitled and brat..
      It doesn’t matter how bad a story line is or how boring a storyline is but the characterisation and development of that said character must remain same ..

      Take brienne or sansa who have got completely taken out of their AFFC story line which worked better for both of them..and sansa and brienne remain the same characters from AFFC ..

      Thank you about your words but its only double standards I can’t stand ..how much people are worried and complain that they have made Jon a war machine only to do fight scenes with no character development and no screentime enough for him to develop but the same people will hate dany when in show they are making dany just giving speeches and recite titles ( people say but mostly an hate towards dany but not how she is written like in the case of other characters)

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    256. Nadia,

      Nadia:
      dragonbringer,

      Having said that, for the majority of people, Dany’s book storyline is horrendous, and the only way the show has been able to make it interesting is to eliminate basically all of it and have her and her dragons burn shit or make aggressive speeches.

      Which is hated even more by the watchers here and made her looks more mad entitled and brat..
      It doesn’t matter how bad a story line is or how boring a storyline is but the characterisation and development of that said character must remain same ..

      Take brienne or sansa who have got completely taken out of their AFFC story line which worked better for both of them..and sansa and brienne remain the same characters from AFFC ..

      Thank you about your words but its only double standards I can’t stand ..how much people are worried and complain that they have made Jon a war machine only to do fight scenes with no character development and no screentime enough for him to develop but the same people will hate dany when in show they are making dany just giving speeches and recite titles ( people say but mostly an hate towards dany but not how she is written like in the case of other characters)

      Why can’t people see or understand one if they do for another …

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    257. Apollo,

      This is GoT. Why should he get what he wants? lol

      Tbh there might not be much of KL to get back to if Cersei has her way.

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    258. Dee:
      Chad Brick,

      Can’t wait for that
      Did not read the covered portion but agree with the rest

      I think the person LF sees in the trailer is Sandor. I don’t see him heading to King’s Landing right now, but I can certainly imaging him heading somewhere where he’s heard a Stark girl has shown up.

      Cleganebowl might happen, but not as a trial-by-combat this season.

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    259. Halfman,

      The only people he could met are Jon or Sansa. Sansa would make a ton of sense but it’s rather suspicious. He seems worried almost and by that time he’ll have Sansa under his command. If Jon is the one to meet him. Only his parentage could be the case and LF know a lot of secrets. Last season posibly hinted at him knowing more. There was one theory Littlefinger will ultimately back Jon and Varys Daeny. Jon’s parentage can be used in right hands.

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    260. Josh L,

      Lol how will they get past the neck, and then Moat Cailin? Haha Cercei can wish. And btw Cercei doesn’t have the men to match the north after the Starks regain control. The tyrells will and have left her for dead and the Sparrow controls Tommen

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    261. Halfman,

      That is what I thought too. I am not sure it will happen, but I could see Littlefinger toying with Jon over his mysterious parentage. He won’t confirm anything, just suggest it, planting seeds of doubt in Jon about his mother, or Ned. It is still no doubt, a sore topic for Jon, given that Ned died before he could tell him who his mother was. He has probably given up on ever finding out. But if Littlefinger teases him with some ‘inside gossip’ or knowledge, he will likely grasp for it.

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    262. Sean C.: The Knights of the Vale just did.

      And what a huge plot hole that is. The Boltons hold Moat Cailin, why on earth would they let them pass without assurances of their allegiance to the Boltons? Which would be difficult to prove if they just stay encamped there.

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    263. Darkrobin:
      Apollo,

      I agree.At some point I wonder if they run into the BwB and/or the Hound. Maybe episode 10?

      Quite possibly, though if it’s TBWOB, then that eliminates the possibility of a LSH appearance and Brienne hanging, as the BF would attest to Briennes loyalty. They’ll all be in the same area as the Hound though, so I’m guessing they’re gonna interact in some way.

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    264. Nadia,

      Yes this. I’m always mindful to use spoiler tags. I have no problem with spoilers but completely respect some people who don’t wish to be spoiled.

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    265. Huh seems I have problems in commenting sorry guys for multiple posting
      Mods please delete the duplicate comment

      Anyways like I was saying no matter how boring or bad the storyline was ..the key was what happened there with dany ..

      She was faced with all the routes blocked including sea routes which does not help her to make any type of trade with outside the city …
      Every land and trees for trade had been burned down by masters
      The city is under siege and attacked by yiunkai
      And the city is attacked inside by SoTH ..
      She has thousands of poor and plague affected people to take care of ..

      And she slowly but effectively overcomes one by one with one compromise after another but the slave masters just keep demanding her to compromise and plan on secret attack with volantis ..

      And what makes her a terrible ruler is that she has always listened to the council and worked for her people and compromised for the betterment of them and putting herself in the front for her people and understands the situation and surrounding more than others give credit for .

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    266. Dee:
      Dani,

      Lineage legitimized? When?

      Also Sansa would not kill someone for no reason. She’s not a killer

      She will have LF killed , MAYbe. But not robin..

      Totally agree. Besides – there is no time for all of this fluff when there’s an army of goddamn white walkers at the door! ?

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    267. Chad Brick,

      I think no chance in episode 10.

      I keep saying this, but Sansa doesn’t know LF is responsible for Ned’s death. She’s angry with him about Ramsay. But if he comes to her aid with a massive army, supports Jon and Sansa (IF), and expresses remorse again, would she really turn around and kill him?

      I don’t think so at all. I think LF is going to be Sansa’s advisor, maybe even Jon’s. He’s not going anywhere for a while.

      I do like the theory that Varys backs Dany and LF backs Jon – and I think there’s a lot of weight to the idea that at least very initially, Jon vs. Dany is where this is going. Dany is headed South, likely to Dorne with the Ironborn. But Jon and Sansa will have the North and the Vale and MAYBE the Riverlands? Will the North kneel to another Targ with dragons, Dothraki and Unsullied or will they think she’s the devil lol? I venture the latter.

      The Wall isn’t coming down yet, and I don’t think Dany arrives in Westeros yet, so there’s some weight to the idea that LF is going to want to play kingmaker with Jon.

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    268. Dee: How would the hound hear that? From who??

      Sansa Stark hasn’t exactly kept a low profile, what with her trampling all over the North trying to recruit an army.

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    269. dragonbringer,

      I don’t think you understand the meaning of “entitled.” That describes her brother Viserys, who felt that things should proceed according to his whims simply because he was “the Dragon.” And that sense of entitlement got him killed in the first season. Dany, on the other hand, no matter how you feel about her personality, does not act entitled. Rather, she systematically and strategically earns her positions of power with every action she commits, both diplomatic and aggressive. Each step of the way she earns a bit more respect and power. First, by burning with Drogo and surviving (this hatching her dragons). Then by taking the wealth of a two-faced man of Qarth and buying a ship. Then by acquiring the Unsullied, freeing them, and securing their loyalty. Then by leading a slave revolt in Meereen. Then by destroying the Khal in a fiery maelstrom, and emerging unscathed, she convinces the entire Dothraki horde to follow her. And with her command of Drogon, she convinces them to join her in taking the Seven Kingdom back. She earned every ascension in power.

      I don’t mind if people don’t enjoy Clarke’s acting, or get bored with the goings on in Essos. But dismissing Dany as “entitled” borders on being factually untrue.

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    270. ArgonathofBraavos,

      See, that to me seems really lame. Some of these other titles that are being suggested make me groan, which suggests that naming episodes is a totally thankless task. Sometimes you stumble on something brilliant that is universally loved (I guess). Most of the time, it’s totally subjective. I think Battle of the Bastards sounds very cool and the other ones being floated here don’t really measure up.

      Plus I think Winds of Winter as episode 10 is so so cool

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    271. Apollo: And what a huge plot hole that is. The Boltons hold Moat Cailin, why on earth would they let them pass without assurances of their allegiance to the Boltons? Which would be difficult to prove if they just stay encamped there.

      The Boltons think that Littlefinger is still allied with them. They don’t know that Littlefinger sold them down the river to Cersei.

      That’s the only reason I have for why the Vale army is massing at Moat Caitlin. I do wish the show would at least include a line or two of dialogue explaining how the Vale army can get past the impenetrable Neck / Moat.

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    272. Chad Brick: Sansa will kill LF. Probably in E10, but if not, eventually. Sooner or later she will learn that he betrayed her father. In fact, some axe-wielding madman is wandering around, carrying that information with him right now! When she does learn of the betrayal, the axe falls.

      Exactly this! I’d figured she’d learn from
      Brienne (via Jaime) that LF was dispatched by Cersei to kill her and overthrow the Boltons, but the Hound revealing his part in Neds demise could also be a possibility.

      With KL burning, the south joining Dany/fighting the Iron islanders, and the Riverlands ruled by the Freys, there is no more plot armour for show LF other than to rule the North and Vale. And I can’t see any of the Northern houses allowing that, or Yohn Royce for that matter. Those that are convinced he’ll survive and that Sansa will be forever indebted to him overlook the fact that we only have 13 eps left and that there’s a bloody book prophecy that spells out his death- in precisely the location they’ll both likely be in ep10.

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    273. Nadia,

      Oh, I like Battle of the Bastards too. I just find the title “Bastards” to be darkly comic. In a meta sense as well, as audiences are often thinking “bastards” every time the GoT showrunners punch us in the gut.

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    274. Dee:
      Chad Brick,

      How would the hound hear that? From who??

      Sandor was present in the throne room when Ned was arrested and LF held a knife to his throat. So that information is first hand.

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    275. Apollo,

      I been saying she will off him since like 3 episodes ago. Even if you look at the season trailer where Sansa says “all I think about is what’s been taken from me”. You see Ramsey, then Walder Frey and then LF in the snow scene looks like the godswood in WF. I feel there is clearly some type of foreshadowing.

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    276. ArgonathofBraavos,

      You see I never use that line I understand what it means ..

      I was just simply stating one of the most overused complaints against dany that she acts as an entitled and thinks everything must be hers and handed to her ..

      Which is blantantly false and she doesn’t think she is entitled to everything at all..

      But like you said it was viserys this arguement was only made strong after season 2,where they somehow made her act like viserys instead of acting like opposite of viserys in ACOK ..

      And it has been impacted the book character also.

      And I don’t have a problem with emilia or dany …if you have ready posts you will know I love both of them..

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    277. Making the 8,

      If Arya does return to Westeros wearing a face not her own, the only way she could prove ID is being friends with Nymeria.

      Of course, A and N have a big job to do at the Twins.

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    278. Apollo,

      Sansa will be a killer…..Her father was a killer, her brother was a killer, her sons will be killers someday, the world is built by killers!
      HAD to do it!

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    279. Apollo,

      No I was asking how would the hound know where Sansa is and why would he go there

      Hate has kept him alive – if anything he will deal with the brotherhood and hen seek out the mountain to kill him

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    280. Miss Stark:
      Can people please stop posting about the Reddit leaks?!

      I’m sorry, but you’re pissing in the wind. People try to keep shit locked up here, which is great of them, but it’s so far beyond feasible that at some point you should just accept what this is. If you really truly are vehemently averse to spoilers, short of changing random people’s predictable behavior, you might not go to a fan site for a show that’s active. It cannot truly be controlled, as much as anybody would like it to be.

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    281. Beer Island,

      I never try to make these connections from the trailer. Most people were convinced the line “do you like playing games little man” was aimed at/spoken by Tyrion simply because he appeared in the next shot. But it certainly has been clear for some time that he’s a goner. For me, it was the fact that there’s only 13 more eps left.
      He’s not a core character so has to go- what else can he contribute to the plot now that the cards are stacked against him and that his main protagonists are onto him?

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    282. Off-Topic Otto,

      Plenty of people here discuss spoilers and speculate in an interesting fashion, but they just cover them. Posting them out in the open and posting “deal with it” just makes you kind of an ass, it’s not the inevitable way of things.

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    283. Dee:
      Apollo,

      No I was asking how would the hound know where Sansa is and why would he go there

      Hate has kept him alive – if anything he will deal with the brotherhood and hen seek out the mountain to kill him

      If he runs into the BF and Brienne in the RL (someone else postulated this, not saying it happens) or TBWOB could have heard word of her return to WF, it’s fairly common knowledge the further north you go.

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