Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 3 Open Chat, with Night’s Cast Livestream!

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Game of Thrones Season 8, Episode 3

Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Director: Miguel Sapochnik
Runtime: 1 hr 22 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Graphic Violence
Video Preview: Season 8 Episode 3 Trailer

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    1. Can’t wait for the longest episode in GoT history (And probably the best of them all). I’m watching it tomorrow, special drinks and food will be present.

      And no leaks? Looks like HBO fixed it.

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    2. Buckle up folks, this is it.. what we’ve all been waiting for! 💀😭

      Jack Bauer 24,

      Interesting- I actually thought we’d seen the last of Yara, her last scene seemed kinda final. Wonder if this is from later in the season?

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    3. Anyone else feel like no main character will die tonight? AeJon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Tyrion and Sam are all safe. Only one I’m unsure about is Jaime.

      I think they’ll do away with a lot of secondary characters, but even those I’m only confident about are Pod, Theon and Jorah.

      Dragons are safe for now too.

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    4. I don’t see the big deal with this war. They could hire me and I’d beat the zombie horde with no problem. Fire. Have lots of fire. They burn real easy. Dragon glass or valyrian for the walkers. A snap. Dany’s got lots of fire. Those zombies are sitting ducks as we saw last season to dragons strafing them up and down and burning them by the hundreds. I can take care of the big scary ice dragon. A dragon stone pebble can shatter him. I’m pretty certain he’s a walker dragon, he’s got blue eyes. A dragon stone rock and a sling shot and he’s a goner. Now the major problem I see is the fire dragons seems susceptible to ice javelins. Not sure if all the walkers can throw one as good as the Night King can so you’d have to watch out for them. But it’s clear none of the other fire dragons can be anywhere near the Nights King and any of those ice spears. That shouldn’t be too tough to just be aware of where he is and keep the dragons away.

      War won!

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    5. Apollo:
      Buckle up folks, this is it.. what we’ve all been waiting for! 💀😭

      Jack Bauer 24,

      Interesting- I actually thought we’d seen the last of Yara, her last scene seemed kinda final. Wonder if this is from later in the season?

      Same. I’m not sure what to make of that.

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    6. It’s here. After all these years. Episode 70, the fight for the Dawn.

      The clash between the living and the dead. I can’t believe it’s actually here now. I started watching this show in November 2012. Then I read the novels before Season 3 came out. I could never have imagined how invested I’d become in this story, this world, these characters.

      And for all these years, the thing I’ve most been anticipating, most been looking forward to, is this. The White Walkers VS the World of Men and Women.

      Being in Europe, I won’t be able to see the episode until tomorrow morning, as I can’t afford to stay up until 3 AM to watch it live. But I will be getting up around 5:30 or 6:00 so I can watch it first thing while it’s still dark.

      With that in mind, I honestly am not sure how I’m going to sleep tonight. My heart is already beating slightly fast from the anticipation and anxiety.

      It’s going to be a long night, for me, for the characters, for everyone.

      Let the watch being.

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    7. Potential titles for tonight

      The Great War
      The Long Night
      Battle (or War) of Ice and Fire
      Battle (or War) for the Dawn
      Battle of Winterfell
      Craster’s Bastards
      Gilly and Little Sam’s Family Reunion
      Hodor: The Return of His or
      We’re F#*%@d!

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    8. 1. That’s Gemma’s baby, not an actor.

      2. Cover any spoilers. I think that’s pretty thoroughly covered up above, and yet here we are, 11 comments in.

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    9. Very excited. Tbh whilst I was was looking forward to the first two episodes (and subsequently enjoyed both of them) I knew that they were more or less set-up, and didn’t expect anything major to happen. However, starting with this episode I have no idea what is going to happen, and I expect some pretty major things to happen in each of them. It is incredibly exciting, and I’ve been counting the days down slowly. Unfortunately, I can’t stay up to watch, so it is probably going to be a good nine hours or so before I see the episode, but I’m hopeful that it lives up to my high expectations.

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    10. How big are you expecting this battle to be? There should be THOUSANDS of Unsullied and Dothraki. Wonder how they’ll pull this off.

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    11. I’m excited and nervous. I was going to take a nap (I’m in the UK and it airs at 2am here), but I too hyped!

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    12. Just suck it up and hope you all enjoy tonights show. As the 3ER said to Bran, “The past (read that S8 Ep3) is already written – The ink is dry”.

      We’re gonna lose a few of our favorites for sure, but that’s par for the course for Game of Thrones… Shit happens 😉

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    13. Well, in the last three episodes they mentioned the Iron Islands (and how safe they SHOULD be) quite a lot, so I still hope they might play a role in the future…

      I’d also love to see Rodrik Harlaw, but alas I doubt this is going to happen.

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    14. Nick20,

      In interviews they’ve always consistently said the battle would last about an hour, with some estimates being closer to being 50 minutes (which still makes it the longest battle in cinema history).

      The episode is 82 minutes long. While I wouldn’t necessarily read into Gemma’s comments that she’ll be appearing, there has to be other material aside from it.

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    15. Apollo: Interesting- I actually thought we’d seen the last of Yara, her last scene seemed kinda final. Wonder if this is from later in the season?

      I thought it basically set up some refugees from Winterfell winding up in the Iron Islands.

      This is one of two reasons that I think Theon might survive: he was the one told this and he’s the only character that we know is aware of the fact that there are “Executive Use Only” escape tunnels from Winterfell. However, Theon obviously would have told Daenerys & Sansa, and it is possible that the escape tunnels will not come into play. (Still, why mention them even the once if that was to be the case.)

      Moderately ironic fact: I avoided this place for nearly a year to avoid Series 8 spoilers. I’ve been hiding here since Friday to avoid Endgame spoilers. One more hour!

      (I am just hoping that my phone doesn’t post updates the way that it does for baseball games: i.e., “Jon Snow kills 5 White Walkers in single combat; White Walkers still lead Westerosi 17 Major Kills -12 Major Kills.”)

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    16. Azor Asshai:
      Nick20,

      In interviews they’ve always consistently said the battle would last about an hour, with some estimates being closer to being 50 minutes (which still makes it the longest battle in cinema history).

      The episode is 82 minutes long. While I wouldn’t necessarily read into Gemma’s comments that she’ll be appearing, there pretty much has to be other material aside from it.

      Probably check in at KL?

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    17. I suppose it was optimistic to hope “graphic violence” wouldn’t be in the content warning.

      Commence wincing, everybody. This one is gonna sting.

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    18. Jack Bauer 24: Anyone else feel like no main character will die tonight? AeJon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Tyrion and Sam are all safe. Only one I’m unsure about is Jaime.

      Stories require reverse survivorship; the more that a story invests in a character, the more important that it is that they be present at the apex. Put another way: storytellers know who is important at the apex, so they should put more emphasis on those characters as they tell the tale.

      (I.e.: your list makes sense!)

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    19. Tonight’s Game of Thrones, Battle of Winterfell: Meat Sheet Prediction™:

      1. Daenerys Targaryen: Lives
      2. Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen: Lives
      3. Arya Stark: Lives
      4. Sansa Stark: Lives
      5. Bran Stark: DIES (but wargs a dragon first!)
      6. Theon Greyjoy: DIES
      7. Jaime Lannister: Lives
      8. Ser Brienne of Tarth: DIES
      9. The Hound: Lives
      10. Jorah Mormont: DIES
      11. Grey Worm: DIES
      12. Ser Davos Seaworth: DIES
      13. Bronze Yohn Royce: DIES
      14. Gendry Storm: DIES
      15. Podrick Payne: DIES
      16. Beric Dondarrion: DIES
      17. Tormund Giantsbane: DIES
      18. Lyanna Mormont: Lives
      19. Dolorous Edd: DIES
      20. Tyrion Lannister: Lives
      21. Missandei: DIES
      22. Samwell Tarly: Lives
      23. Varys: Lives (keeps on paddling)
      24. Gilly and Little Sam: DIE
      25. Ghost: DIES
      26. Drogon: Lives (but is secretly warged)
      27. Rhaegal: DIES
      28: Viserion the Undead Dragon: DIES (again)
      29. The Night King: DIES

      **Bonus: Does she even show up? Melisandre: Lives

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    20. Jack Bauer 24,

      Everyone has their own definitions of who they consider a main character, but if you’re talking about the top book POVs present (the Starks, Lannisters, and Dany), then no, you’re certainly not alone in thinking none of them will die.

      In terms of deaths from people who are series regulars (another definition of main character), there’ll be a few, such as Jorah, Theon, and Tormund (I’m guessing).

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    21. Wimsey,

      I responded to Jack Bauer that

      Gemma’s photo is from ep1

      – think my (covered) comment is in moderation though.

      But that theory make sense. I’d read somewhere that one of the shots in the trailer is Dany at

      the fireplace in dragonstone as the stone pattern was identical

      But perhaps they flee to the Iron Islands.. it’s easier to reach from Winterfell..

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    22. Steel_Wind: 5. Bran Stark: DIES (but wargs a dragon first!)

      The show has never set up that possibility. At this point, if the show has not shown it happening, then it is not going to happen. (At the very least, they should have shown us Bran warging into one of the dragons already; but then they also would have needed to show us that a Greenseer can keep his/her mind intact after death in an animal. Of course, the books themselves provide no evidence of that!)

      Steel_Wind: 29. The Night King: DIES

      It seems a little early for that. I would be really surprised if the NK is resolved prior to the penultimate episode.

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    23. I have a feeling there will be some definite cliffhangers at the end of this episode.

      I’m also going to hide under my bed now.

      Wish me luck, as I don’t have a bed frame- my mattress and boxspring just sit on the floor.

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    24. Apollo:
      Wimsey,

      But that theory make sense. I’d read somewhere that one of the shots in the trailer is Dany at Pyke.

      I would not read too much into that. The reason that Pyke and Winterfell’s main hall look so similar is because it’s the same set, just slightly reconfigured. And the Greyjoy squid is not in that fireplace. It otherwise looks the same because it IS the same; simply at Winterfell, that’s all.

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    25. Apollo: f

      My bet is that different groups of refugees will wind up in different places. If nothing else, then we have not seen any sort of concrete plan for whence people should retreat: they really did seem to just assume that they could hold Winterfell. My bet is that will be a big “whoops!” 😬

      To this end, I expect that some people will wind up taking up Yara’s offer, and that this might become an important plot-point in the penultimate or ultimate episode.

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    26. Jack Bauer 24:
      Anyone else feel like no main character will die tonight? AeJon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Tyrion and Sam are all safe. Only one I’m unsure about is Jaime.

      I think they’ll do away with a lot of secondary characters, but even those I’m only confident about are Pod, Theon and Jorah.

      Dragons are safe for now too.

      A main character needs to die in my opinion, I feel Jamie is going either this episode or the next. Theon for sure is dying, then probably minor/secondary characters like Jorah/Missandei/Royce/Lyanna Mormont/Podrick.

      Not that I wish it, this should be carnage and truly epic.

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    27. Again, I don’t see the problem with beating this army of zombies. And the ice dragon. But of course they have to have a big drawn out battle to make it interesting and they will have to kill off some characters to get the tear jerk types to shed a tear I suppose. But it lacks credibility.

      And speaking of credibility, can the zombies drown? No, right? So if not why would anyplace on the entire globe be safe from them? They simply walk along the bottom of the ocean(s) until they get to where they want to get to. They got all eternity to do it.

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    28. I’ve been hoping for a leak all day because I can’t wait to watch the bloody thing! For now, I am going to settle in with a late lunch and watch Hardhome, to remind me of a) Sapochnik’s brilliance with battle sequences and b) the true terror of the AotD.

      Everyone enjoy tonight! I raise a glass of the finest Dornish Red to you and to the characters we’ve all come to love.

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    29. Sean C.: Everyone has their own definitions of who they consider a main character

      Why not just use the diagnoses that we learned in high school/secondary school literature class?

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    30. It seems a little early for that.I would be really surprised if the NK is resolved prior to the penultimate episode.

      I think we can get too easily distracted by theories and the preview trailer.

      The council scene in Episode 02 this season was to set the stage for the battle and what viewers should expect as the battle unfolds.

      That was not misdirection. That was the purest of exposition.

      The show lives in its characters. The Battle for the Iron Throne is not over. There is treachery afoot, a resurrecting Priestess, a Faceless girl, a mercenary with a crossbow, an UnDead Queensguard, and a city that is still wired up with caches of wildfire.

      Plenty to fuel 3 episodes and wrap up this story.

      No: the Night King buys it tonight I think.

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    31. Bostondave: And speaking of credibility, can the zombies drown? No, right? So if not why would anyplace on the entire globe be safe from them? They simply walk along the bottom of the ocean(s) until they get to where they want to get to. They got all eternity to do it.

      For whatever reasons, it seems that they do not cross water easily. Otherwise, they could have marched around the Wall.

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    32. Wimsey: For whatever reasons, it seems that they do not cross water easily.Otherwise, they could have marched around the Wall.

      Thats a point I guess.

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    33. Wimsey: The show has never set up that possibility.At this point, if the show has not shown it happening, then it is not going to happen.(At the very least, they should have shown us Bran warging into one of the dragons already; but then they also would have needed to show us that a Greenseer can keep his/her mind intact after death in an animal.Of course, the books themselves provide no evidence of that!)

      I disagree? I don’t think it’s going to happen but the only thing the show needs to show are Bran’s eyes going white and the Dragon’s eyes going white at the same time and most viewers would immediately understand visually what that meant.

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    34. Bostondave: And speaking of credibility, can the zombies drown?

      No, but they sink. And they can be eaten by what lurks below the sea. The Walkers themselves will be frozen in place if they venture into the water. There is a REASON the NK does not pursue the boats and ships at Hardhome.

      That which is dead cannot die… but sinks **gurgle gurgle**

      Nibble nibble… Nibble, nibble. Nibble nibble, nibble…

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    35. Wimsey,

      Because such things are inherently subjective and not reducible to a formula, particularly in an ensemble TV show. There are people who regard only GRRM’s original five main POVs as having that status, for instance (though on the show that’s much harder to sustain even than in the books since Bran at this point is pretty much just a plot device, not a character); for others it can be very expansive.

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    36. I’m getting scared!

      Now, is tonight the entirety of the battle against the WW? Or just the battle portion with a magical conclusion in the last three episodes? It doesn’t seem like this is the kind of enemy you can defeat on the battlefield. Plus it’d be sort of anti-climatic to have the whole series build up to a one episode final fight.

      What is everyone thinking?

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    37. Steel_Wind: I would not read too much into that. The reason that Pyke and Winterfell’s main hall look so similar is because it’s the same set, just slightly reconfigured. And the Greyjoy squid is not in that fireplace. It otherwise looks the same because it IS the same; simply at Winterfell, that’s all.

      Well I actually won’t read “anything” into that.. because the comment you’ve posted is not what was said at all, and- it was covered by spoiler code.

      Whilst the set is mostly identical, the fireplace in the great hall of WF has wolves in the hearth, the one in DS is simply rough stone, the same as in the photo/trailer. I’m not sure what Pyke’s heart looks like

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    38. DOUGLAS MACARY:
      Will we see Ice Spiders?

      No. If they were going to do that, we would have seen them already I think. It’s a little too fantastical for the show – and it distracts from the undead horror of the Army of the Dead.

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    39. The Night King being defeated/killed in Episode 3 and Jaime NOT being the one to kill Cersei are literally the only two things that would disappoint me this season.

      I really hope they don’t go that route.

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    40. Steel_Wind,

      Steel_Wind: No. If they were going to do that, we would have seen them already I think. It’s a little too fantastical for the show – and it distracts from the undead horror of the Army of the Dead.

      Steel_Wind: No. If they were going to do that, we would have seen them already I think. It’s a little too fantastical for the show – and it distracts from the undead horror of the Army of the Dead.

      Well they’re mentioned in the show 3 times including at Hardhome 5.08 and D&D usually eventually show what they mention…so there’s that.

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    41. I had a thought that the battle doesn’t have to wrap up in one episode. If it’s truly epic it can and perhaps even should span episodes. A war as opposed to a battle would.

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    42. And if the good guys don’t employ massive amounts of fire I will be disappointed and kinda pissed. It’s a nobrainer. The zombies light and burn real easily.

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    43. S8Ep3 Synopsis:
      Winterfell welcomes the return of Hodor. Arya and Gendry play hide and seek. Gilly anxiously prepares for a family reunion. Tyrion and Varys seek answers from sculptures. Bran and Theon compare adventures while waiting for a cold friend. Jon and Dany’s love is tested.

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    44. George,

      The Ice spiders are simply wights. Seen from a distance, and with the gravity defying scrambling that we saw in “The Door” it became clear that they were simply a distortion of the facts over many centuries.

      Also-they sound cheesy as hell.

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    45. weirwoodtreehugger: I had a thought that the battle doesn’t have to wrap up in one episode. If it’s truly epic it can and perhaps even should span episodes. A war as opposed to a battle would.

      I had a thought that the battle doesn’t have to wrap up in one episode. If it’s truly epic it can and perhaps even should span episodes. A war as opposed to a battle would.

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    46. Bostondave: I had a thought that the battle doesn’t have to wrap up in one episode. If it’s truly epic it can and perhaps even should span episodes. A war as opposed to a battle would.

      That didn’t work right. Or something I did wrong.

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    47. Steel_Wind,

      Not to be that guy, but, if Gendry has a last name, it would be “Waters”, not “Storm”. Gendry was born and raised in King’s Landing; bastards of the Crownlands are given the surname of “Waters”.

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    48. Hodors Bastard:
      S8Ep3 Synopsis:
      Winterfell welcomes the return of Hodor. Arya and Gendry play hide and seek. Gilly anxiously prepares for a family reunion. Tyrion and Varys seek answers from sculptures. Bran and Theon compare adventures while waiting for a cold friend. Jon and Dany’s love is tested.

      Yes, Hodor is a huge wight now. Not as huge as a giant though.

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    49. Stay off Twitter people – I think someone just posted spoilerly screen caps from the upcoming episode. ☠️

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    50. Regular show watchers don’t know/give two sh*ts about ice spiders. It would be a huge expense just to give the readers something to lose their shit over. I say no.

      Also, there are pics of the ep out there now so everyone tread carefully. I only saw a thread title so thank god no pics but I imagine twitter will soon be full of them.

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    51. Jack Bauer 24: Anyone else feel like no main character will die tonight? AeJon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Tyrion and Sam are all safe. Only one I’m unsure about is Jaime.

      I think they’ll do away with a lot of secondary characters, but even those I’m only confident about are Pod, Theon and Jorah.

      Dragons are safe for now too.

      Do you remember that in a recent interview that David and Dan got the usual question and said something like , paraphrasing, ‘that’s the surprise, nobody dies!’, I am sure they were kidding … but it was like they were gonna turn things on its head and do something totally unexpected. They do like to prank. Could they have been talking about this episode?
      I think that was on the 60 min. piece?

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    52. Ladies & gentlemen place your bets. Odds on favourite to bite it . I say (redacted) and (redacted) oh and definitely (redacted) for sure.

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    53. What a joke. HBO can’t get a handle on their distributors. Who leaked it this time? Was it Prime Video again? Sucks that the finale will get leaked.

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    54. George: I disagree? I don’t think it’s going to happen but the only thing the show needs to show are Bran’s eyes going white and the Dragon’s eyes going white at the same time and most viewers would immediately understand visually what that meant.

      I am assuming that the “warging” to which Steel_Wind is referring is not typical warging, but something that we see only in the books: a “final” warging in which a dying warg puts his/her mind in an animal and has a short after-semi-life attached to that animal. A lot of people were convinced that Jon was going to do this with Ghost (despite Jon’s failure to ever develop his warging skills either on TV or in the books), and that a big part of bringing Jon back would be finding some way to use Ghost as Time Machine to restore Jon fully into his body.

      The show has never introduced this as a possibility, so we should not expect to see Drogon start speaking with Issac Hempstead’s voice next Sunday!

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    55. George:
      Steel_Wind,

      Well they’re mentioned in the show 3 times including at Hardhome 5.08 and D&D usually eventually show what they mention…so there’s that.

      They were mentioned by Old Nan in Season 1 Episode 3 and at Hardhome as you said, when was the 3rd time ? I don’t remember.

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    56. It doesn’t look like the episode has leaked widespread, yet, just some screen captures I won’t look at. I’m not digging into it further than that.

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    57. RBloodworth: Gendry was born and raised in King’s Landing; bastards of the Crownlands are given the surname of “Waters”.

      It’s not where they are “raised”, it’s where they are from, in the family line sense. Gendry was sired by the Lord of the Stormlands. *ahem* I choose not to legitimize usurpers as part of the Targaryen Restoration. Gendry is merely the last potential heir to the Stormlands.

      And now that we know where your true loyalties lie, step forward and kneel, traitor.

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    58. How do their distributors always leak GoT episodes early, but never Westworld or any of their other shows?

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    59. Sean C.: Because such things are inherently subjective and not reducible to a formula, particularly in an ensemble TV show.

      No: there is nothing “subjective” about what is necessary and sufficient for a character to be a protagonist. Regardless of the medium, the storytellers want and need you to know who the primary protagonists are: otherwise, you will not understand the story. Now, there might be a question of how well the storytellers do their job, and poor character development obfuscating the story is a common criticism of stories widely perceived as poorly told. However, that has never been a criticism of this show.

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    60. Jack Bauer 24:
      How do their distributors always leak GoT episodes early, but never Westworld or any of their other shows?

      It’s because it’s GoT. The most popular show ever. Not that surprising IMO.

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    61. Put me down for no ice spiders. To me, it makes sense that even though some of the folklore told by northerners would be true, some is bound to be fake or an exaggeration. I don’t think we’ll be seeing any snarks and grumpkins either.

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    62. Somehow these fuckers get their hands on it a couple hours early all the time. What is done at (that time) to make it possible? Still don’t know why assholes can’t wait until the official time

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    63. Wimsey,

      It’s a very old theory and the main reason many people think this could happen is the Three-Eyed Raven’s “No, but you will fly” line in response to Bran asking if he’ll ever walk again (which was included in the show). In all likelihood this was metaphorically referring to him becoming the Raven himself–and indeed, Bran has indeed seen through the eyes of ravens before, but to be fair much of the metaphor and foreshadowing in the story has had multiple layers of meaning.

      Do I personally think it’s happening? Probably not, but I also don’t discount the possibility and if it were to happen, I wouldn’t say that it completely came out of nowhere.

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    64. Wimsey: No: there is nothing “subjective” about what is necessary and sufficient for a character to be a protagonist.

      As I already illustrated, “main character” means different things to different people. Some people use it as a synonym for “main cast”; others consider the POVs to all be main characters (book context); on the show, likewise, characters like Theon or Brienne might be main characters depending on how you look at it.

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    65. I do think Bran could end up warging into a dragon. It’s long been theorized since the 3-eyed raven told Bran, “You’ll never walk again, but you will fly” that this was a possibility.

      No I don’t think it would be quite so easy as warging into Summer or Orell warging into his eagle, because there’s no preexisting bond. But maybe because Viseryon is “compromised” it could be done. I also keep thinking back to Jojen warning Bran about warging into an animal for too long. At the time it seemed like a simple warning to not stay in Summer too long, but it could have also been long-game foreshadowing.

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    66. Jack Bauer 24,

      I wouldn’t say there’s NO chance of either elephants or Ice Spiders. Just because they let us think there will be no elephants, doesn’t necessarily mean there’ll be no elephants.

      Small chance, I know, but still…

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    67. Didn’t we already see “ice spiders” in the form of ceiling-skittering limbs-akimbo frozen zombies in “The Door”? Zombies who can run across ceilings can probably scale walls like spiders.

      Speaking of, whatever happened to Old Nan? She was never confirmed dead.

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    68. Steel_Wind: It’s not where they are “raised”, it’s where they are from, in the family line sense. Gendry was sired by the Lord of the Stormlands. *ahem* I choose not to legitimize usurpers as part of the Targaryen Restoration.Gendry is merely the last potential heir to the Stormlands.

      And now that we know where your true loyalties lie, step forward and kneel, traitor.

      Actually, no. When Bran and Sam are discussing Jon’s birth at the end of last season initially Bran is saying that he’s not a Snow, he’s a Sand because he was born in Dorne.

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    69. Thanks y’all for the warnings about the Twitter spoilers/leaks. I think I’ll go take a nap :.

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    70. ThisGirlHasNoName,

      I’m inclined to agree. Bran must surely hold the key to the NKs destruction (alongside Jon and Dany), otherwise why is the NK so hellbent on coming for him and what was his arc all about.. Was he simply destined to reveal Jon’s identity?

      I reckon he’ll either warg Viserion or possibly the NK himself, but will die whilst still inside him.

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    71. Steel_Wind: It’s not where they are “raised”, it’s where they are from, in the family line sense. Gendry was sired by the Lord of the Stormlands.

      Its more common to be after the region they’re raised. Robert’s bastards that were given a surname weren’t all given Storm. Edric Storm, who was raised in the Stormlands did. Mya Stone did not and she was raised in the Vale.. Gendry was born in KL to a whore and grew up in Flea Bottom as apprentice to Tobho Mott and living with him after his mother died. He had no name that we know, but had he been given one it most likely would have been Waters since he appears to have been unrecognized by Robert.

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    72. Just about to go to bed, it’s midnight here. No way on earth I”m watching this without knowing what happens in advance, my nerves can’t take it. Haven’t had a chance to read any comments, so in case this isn’t already common knowledge, a load of screen shots have leaked which show at least one death, so everyone beware! (Not saying more than one person dies, just that there’s one apparent death, possibly more in the pics. It looks fantastic though, should be well worth the wait! I wish you all well in the viewing to come and catch up with everyone tomorrow. Got to try and sleep now.

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    73. jennyemelie: Actually, no.When Bran and Sam are discussing Jon’s birth at the end of last season initially Bran is saying that he’s not a Snow, he’s a Sand because he was born in Dorne.

      Yes, but this was a mistake by both Bran and the writers of the show.

      Jon was never thought to have been born in the North. Everyone always knew he was born in the South, during the rebellion. Littlefinger even calls him a “bastard born in the South” in Season 6 Episode 10 when speaking to Sansa in the Godswood.

      Everyone always knew that Ned went south for the war and came back with Jon.
      Yet despite all of this, his surname was Snow, because his family was from the North.

      Same goes for Oberyn’s daughters. A couple of them were not born in Dorne, yet they were still called Sand, because their father was from Dorne.

      There are other examples in the books as well.

      Last name is based on your family or where you were raised. The rules are not always clear, but one thing is certain, and that is that place of birth is basically irrelevant.

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    74. Lulus Mum,

      ☺️ The opposite of basically any GoT fan I’ve seen! Cannot handle ep unspoiled unless you’re reading about it first. I can relate, I still read the last pages at most of the books before reading them. It’s true for me as it ever was, it’s not about the end, it’s really about the journey. See you around Lulu’s Mom 🤗

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    75. Sue, I hope you and the WotW staff are ready to pull out the big guns for writing Curtain Calls. The number of obits will make the Red Wedding look like a picnic!

      Wimsey,

      You’re right about the apex. It’s been building since season and book 1. I get so miffed whenever shock-obessessed fans whinge about plot armour every time a main character has a narrow escape from death or the cavalry comes to the rescue. (Admittedly, variations of that trope are overused by D&D).

      On another note, narratively speaking, do you think it likely that Arya will get pregnant? I do, though Cogman said it just a normal thing to do when the end of the world is approaching. But that way is pregnant (!) with irony and possibilities. I hope you enjoy Avengers. I’ve heard it’s quite good.

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    76. I predict that Bran will warg into Falkor, enter the Chamber of Secrets through Fanghorn Forest, and retrieve at least three of the Infinity Stones.

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    77. Bostondave:
      And speaking of credibility, can the zombies drown? No, right? So if not why would anyplace on the entire globe be safe from them? They simply walk along the bottom of the ocean(s) until they get to where they want to get to. They got all eternity to do it.

      They wouldn’t drown, but they’d also barely be able to move and couldn’t fight currents or anything. They’d get eaten by sea life, too. I doubt they’d actually make it anywhere. Their weapons would rust and dissolve even if they did. Of course, even on land, they’d be liable to get eaten by worms, flies, birds. It’s one of the central weaknesses of zombie stories in general. They’re not very survivable. At least this story gets around this a bit by having them bring the winter with them, as ice would preserve them. But something like The Walking Dead? Exposed corpses would be gone in weeks at best in Georgia in the middle of summer.

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    78. Nick20,

      So my understanding was that Jon was a Snow because he was Ned’s recognised bastard.

      Without knowing about the wedding, wouldn’t Bran be reverting to the assumption that Jon’s Rhaeghar’s unrecognised bastard and therefore assigning Sand as the most likely surname?

      It really is quiet confusing and inconsistent in any case…

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    79. ShameShameShame:
      Didn’t we already see “ice spiders” in the form of ceiling-skittering limbs-akimbo frozen zombies in “The Door”?Zombies who can run across ceilings can probably scale walls like spiders.

      Speaking of, whatever happened to Old Nan?She was never confirmed dead.

      In the book, she’s taken prisoner by Ramsey. In the show, it’s heavily implied, but never outright stated, that Ramsey took no prisoners and killed everyone in Winterfell.

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    80. Another leak? Those companies that leaked should pay hbo money for this. This should never be possible. Screaming sites always use servertime for the release of the episodes. It’s all automatic. Or they all did use a wrong timer or somebody is doing this on purpose.

      And how many deaths will we get? Meaning characters we know by name. I guess around 20.

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    81. Raven,

      Maybe Mel

      will bring Daario and the Meereenese – there is gotta be a reason that they showed the other red priests converting the people in Meereeen – right?

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    82. I know that we’ll lose lots of “secondary characters” tonight, but my gut is scared for Arya. Anyone else think that Arya may go tonight?

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    83. Steel_Wind: I think we can get too easily distracted by theories and the preview trailer.

      The council scene in Episode 02 this season was to set the stage for the battle and what viewers should expect as the battle unfolds.

      That was not misdirection. That was the purest of exposition.

      The show lives in its characters. The Battle for the Iron Throne is not over. There is treachery afoot, a resurrecting Priestess, a Faceless girl,a mercenary with a crossbow, an UnDead Queensguard, and a city that is still wired up with caches of wildfire.

      Plenty to fuel 3 episodes and wrap up this story.

      No: the Night King buys it tonight I think.

      For what it’s worth, Miguel Sapochnik, who also directed episode 5, said episodes 3, 4, and 5 make up a distinct mini-story with a beginning, middle, and end. That reads to me like the Night King is finally defeated in episode 5, with the Battle of Winterfell only the beginning of the “long” night, not that it will ultimately be very long either way.

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    84. Stark Raven’ Rad:

      On another note, narratively speaking, do you think it likely that Arya will get pregnant?I do, though Cogman said it just a normal thing to do when the end of the world is approaching. But that way is pregnant (!) with irony and possibilities.

      I know this is addressed to Wimsey, but I just wanted to chime in and say I really hope Arya doesn’t get pregnant, especially not if Gendry dies in the battle and she has to raise a bastard alone. I just don’t see this as a satisfying end to her arc at all. I also would find it stretching the realms of reality if she has sex once and happens to get pregnant. It obviously can and does happen after just one time, but the odds of the timing being just right are quite slim and would it feel a bit cheesy to me if she were to become pregnant. If they’d had a few weeks together, it would be more believable, but one night?

      I find it odd how as soon as a female character has sex on this show, everyone assumes they’re pregnant. Dany, Sansa (after season 5) and now Arya. Yet after the male characters have sex, no one then discusses the likelihood that they’ve just fathered a bastard. I don’t know, it feels a bit like double standards, that the female plot lines require a pregnancy to fully evolve or make them interesting whereas with the male ones it is never mentioned (aside from Jon, but that is because it’s with Dany).

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    85. Can someone help me out here. I’m not the most knowledgeable GOT person. But FIRE dammit. Fire. Lots and lots of fire. The wights catch easily and quickly and they don’t avoid anything. They’re all offense. They run into every attack. Fire fire and more fire.

      Or am I wrong?

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    86. I didn’t think I was going to make it to 2am this time, but here we are, an hour to go and I’m still up. I’m not ready for this! I don’t actually know if I want to watch it. I may wait till tomorrow evening to watch with my husband because I fear I am going to need some moral support to get through the numerous deaths we’re bound to see.

      Stay safe Winterfell crew!!

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    87. The solution writes itself matter of fact. It’s stupid NOT to burn the wights because anything short of hacking them to bits they just reanimate.

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    88. Miss Stark:
      I’m excited and nervous. I was going to take a nap (I’m in the UK and it airs at 2am here), but I too hyped!

      Same! It’s going to be a really long night, I’m going to watch Episode 2 now, then switch over to episode 3 at 2am!

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    89. jennyemelie,
      Bran’s line to Sam was basically show dialogue to get to the point that Jon isn’t a bastard. It wasn’t completely accurate though. Yes, bastards are named to the region they’re born, but generally they are born to mothers of the region and raised there. Neither Rhaegar nor Lyanna were from Dorne, she just happened to give birth there. In a different history if they hadn’t married and she didn’t die she probably wouldn’t have stayed in Dorne after the war. He probably would have still been raised in Winterfell as a Snow. Nobody really cares what they’re called anyway since they’re bastards.

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    90. Jon Snowed: Same! It’s going to be a really long night, I’m going to watch Episode 2 now, then switch over to episode 3 at 2am!

      I wish I were that hyped!! I think I’ll watch at 2am, but I am really not feeling it despite still being up. I am so pre-upset!

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    91. Che,

      Well I didn’t start thinking about a pregnancy after Arya & Gendry heated up the forge. Yeah, I’ve been shipping those two since reading the books but a baby at this point didn’t cross my mind.

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    92. The tension is unbearable !

      Theon: Dead
      Bran: Dead
      Jon: Alive
      Dany: Alive
      NK: Dead, finally.
      Beric: Dead
      The Hound: Alive
      Grey Worm: Alive
      Missandei: Alive
      Sansa: Alive
      Tyrion: Alive
      Jorah: Dead
      Lyanna: Dead…could they kill a little girl? Again? Probably.
      Arya: Alive
      Jamie: Alive
      Brienne: Alive … against all hope.
      Pod: Alive … against all hope.
      Sam: Alive
      Crypt folk: Mostly dead.
      Lord Royce: Alive? Seems they need someone to make decisions for the Vale.

      Talking of TkotV, their BoB moment…. Mel and the LoL’s fire army.

      Mel: Dead
      Davos: Alive

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    93. Che,

      We didn’t have many main male characters in that position in the story. We already knew Jon’s fling with Ygritte wasn’t going to have that result. We knew Robb’s did. We already knew Tyrion didn’t while he was still… going at it. Who else has really gotten it on that would make a difference?

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    94. Watching Ep 2 again as lead in to tonight’s epic. Not relevant but I noticed an interesting little “hiccup” I had missed on earlier viewings. When they first show Davos serving soup, it seems to be Gilly next to him serving as well. The moment the farmer comes up, she gets changed out for an old lady. Must have had a change of script right there to include her more in the scene with the little girl. Oh well. On with the real show!

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    95. OMG ITS HERE…..SHIT is about to go down… I’ll be watching with one eye open unless I start crying ….

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    96. Adam: In the book, she’s taken prisoner by Ramsey. In the show, it’s heavily implied, but never outright stated, that Ramsey took no prisoners and killed everyone in Winterfell.

      In the Official Trump-Authorized Gold-Bound Edition® of the books, published by the Trump University of Self-Declared Genius©, Ramsey is Azor Ahai and can do no wrong.

      😉

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    97. 25 minutes to go!

      I’m wondering what it is that triggers a long night? Obviously breaching the wall didn’t cause it. So what does? The death of Bran maybe? Something to do with some buried artifact in the crypts somewhere?

      I wonder if the sun is not coming up for another few episodes?

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    98. Rewatching the forge sex scene now… Gendry about to make a bastard! 😜 Sorry. Nah, they aren’t going to have a baby… yet.

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    99. Anyone have predictions on the first character to fall? My guess is Pod as he’s in the Van guard. Beric, Theon, Lyanna and Jamie all to do in the later stages of the battle. I think Missandei and Varys die mid way through when the crypts are over run.

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    100. My little birds tell me that the all-male board of HBO has canceled Game of Thrones starting tonight, citing “an udder lack of boobies.”

      And, as usual, I will see myself out…

      At least for now.

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    101. JSchmeh:

      Don’t think I have ever been this nervous and anxious before a TV show.

      Ditto. Can’t wait to see what they pull off, but not quite enough wine for this!

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    102. Hugo beland:
      if I were jon, I would send a raven to Undertaker!!!!

      Biggest swerve ever. Just as it gets darkest, all of a sudden the gongs ring and the dead man makes his way to the godswood. Finishes NK with a tombstone piledriver.

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    103. Apollo,

      Varys has been such a non-character for so many episodes. I expect him to rip off his face to reveal… I dunno, the Waif? Hot Pie? It’s all about the gravy.

      omg 2 mins

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    104. Clob:
      Che,

      We didn’t have many main male characters in that position in the story.We already knew Jon’s fling with Ygritte wasn’t going to have that result.We knew Robb’s did.We already knew Tyrion didn’t while he was still… going at it. Who else has really gotten it on that would make a difference?

      You make a good point. I’m just so over the pregnancy talk with every female that has sex. I feel they ought to finish their stories on their own merit without procreating.

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    105. Kill count prediction!

      Gendry is dead; gets blue eyes chases arya (the only reason she would run in terror like that)
      Edd is dead.
      Brienne is dead.
      Jaime is dead.
      Giantsbane is dead.
      Ghost is dead (to save on FX costs lol)

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    106. Mel hah in the 12th hour lift your sword sounds dirty

      Fuuuuuuuu that’s the biggest fire Mance promised!

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    107. There has been so many complaints about how dark this season is, I can’t believe HBO didn’t fix the brightness prior to this episode. I am already seeing lots of complaints about it and the episode just started.

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    108. TormundsWoman:
      Jesus, Edd! I still didn’t expect that.
      Please tell me Bran told them about Undead Vyserion.

      He told them when Dany and Jon arrived that the Night King as Viseryon

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    109. I watch the episodes later but I do watch the reactions to episodes as they air live and I am seeing TONS of complaints about the lighting. I hope that doesn’t ruin the episode.

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    110. Omg Sansa and Tyrion so good!

      Missandei loyal makes and exceptional point too ☺️ Can I say how much I like her?!?!

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    111. I’m having a weird thought I will laugh at tomorrow but is Melisandre…the Night Queen gone rogue? lol Is she who the NK is coming for??

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    112. Arya don’t you die girl

      Lyanna took an undead giant down. Don’t anyone say anything bad about the little girl. Ok?!

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    113. Honestly, millions of dollars and I see about half of what’s going on. I don’t care if people are bitching about the lack of light, count me in.

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    114. Ok lil Lyanna, you may have been an annoying little turd, but boy did you make up for it. What a way to go out!

      This is utterly spectacular!

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    115. I’m watching on my laptop in a dark room. Lighting is fine that way. Have you guys turned your lights off (not that you should have to of course)?

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    116. The first 10-15 mins are eery scary, just silence until the Dothraki get obliterated. I didn’t like how Jorah rose back alive though that felt unrealistic. Presumably Ghost died with the Dothraki.

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    117. Okay, this is honestly too intense. How are they going to survive this?!

      Also, Lyanna’s death made my lower lip tremble like crazy. Weirdest emotional reaction as I find her pretty annoying.

      I think we’re definitely still going to lose Jorah and Tormund. Greyworm and Theon too probably.

      I am sure i’ll Enjoy it more on a rewatch, but this is not fun for me right now.

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    118. Finally yeah Dany on Drogon at least got a break! but is the fire not working?!

      Oh shit! They need another plan

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    119. Seriously dude! LEAVE JON ALONE WOTH ALL THE DEAD EYE SEXY

      I think this is the very definition of “we’re fucked” also: crypts are very safe.

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    120. Okay, so that wasn’t a surprise – after Arya asked would it work (dragon fire), it was clear it wouldn’t. So is Arya going to kill him? But if Mel knew that, why believe Stannis and then Jon are the Prince Who Was Promised? Unless it will be many acting together to take down NK. Arya, Jon, Bran etc.

      My heart rate has just not slowed down. This is probably not good for me!! I’m watching with over-war headphones and during quiet moments all I can hear is my own pounding heartbeat!

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    121. Holy shit. They told us the ending in Season 4. I am blown away that Arya was the key but I love it. Also that’s why Bran gave her the dagger. Hidden right in front of our faces.

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    122. Wow…I was so wrong, didn’t think that war would all be over in this episode. Now we know why Bran gave Arya that dagger and what her purpose was.

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    123. Apollo,

      Once Mel said that this time it was crystal clear. Till we had the context though it was a bit difficult to say that since we all expected Dany or Jon to be Azor Ahai. Turns out it was a FM Stark and a Red Witch who turned the tide of War.

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    124. I’m rarely ever crying but this is the third time now after Shireen & Hodor (I started watching GOT in real time with the start of season 4).

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    125. My death predictions were mostly accurate, though I didn’t necessarily expect them to kill the Night King this soon.

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    126. JamesL:
      There has been so many complaints about how dark this season is, I can’t believe HBO didn’t fix the brightness prior to this episode. I am already seeing lots of complaints about it and the episode just started.

      I had no problems at all. Maybe people should consider their equipment.

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    127. 95% of the episode was a surprise, which happens to be a much less surprise rate than the surprise rate of will Ginger and the Professor do the funky chicken on Gilligan’s Island.

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    128. Hodors Bastard,

      I am super happy! I feared the worst and so far we got off fairly easy. Hard to say that considering we lost Theon, Jorah, Edd, Beric, Lyanna and I don’t know who else.

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    129. I could not stand to watch all of the battle scenes….is Ghost dead?

      Just OMG! So many great moments. What a show!!!!!

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    130. MAISIE! MAISIE! Maisie gets all the props, those were some of the best scenes I’ve ever seen on TV.

      Alfie and Rory in a tie for second best.

      Wow. NOT TODAY!

      ASNAWPNKS!

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    131. Apollo:
      Calling it now. Arya kills the NK.

      As Mel says.. she’ll shut blue eyes.

      What do we say to the God of death?

      I didn’t catch her meaning, I admit it. Wow!!

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    132. I have not watched yet. Is the White Walker threat really over? Not sure how I feel about that. I assume it will be Cersei army that now comes to destroy Winterfell.

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    133. Apollo:
      Calling it now. Arya kills the NK.

      As Mel says.. she’ll shut blue eyes.

      What do we say to the God of death?

      Cryptic I’ll give it that, ties Arya’s season 1 arc up, starting with Syrio Forel and then a journey through death and House of Black and White

      I anticipate there will be consequences though for Arya, she robbed the god of death etc so I reckon Jagen H’Gar will have to pay that debt

      If you think this has a happy ending we are all kidding

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    134. That was amazing. Absolutely amazing. Now on to some Dany/Aegon drama!!!

      Wonder how many will complain that not only did the NK show up (not going to KL or Oldtown) but that he fell in one episode?

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    135. That episode was insane! The darkness was an issue in the first half but the latter half was much better.

      They prioritized so many character relationships and didn’t sacrifice any of the interpersonal drama even despite the frantic action. This is why Sapochnik is the king. He has a keen understanding of point of view and never fails in bringing us into the heat of the conflict.

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    136. Clob,

      Really? I thought that was obvious now. NK had blue eyes and he’s pretty much the God of Death in this universe. And Arya is best at assassin work and she automatically got Mel’s meaning and got out of there like a girl with a mission. I knew she’s going I just didn’t think she’ll do it since Dany and Jon were supposedly on it.

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    137. Clob: I didn’t catch her meaning, I admit it.Wow!!

      Yeah same here

      I’m happy enough with that. Makes sense and takes us back to earlier seasons

      Nothing cheesy either

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    138. Can someone that had a large screen (I’m in a damn hotel) give a single line per character list of the dead good guys/gals?

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    139. Now that was something to see. GO ARYA!!!!!!

      Utterly incredible – much less bloody than I was expecting, but any more deaths and it would have cheapened those that did happen.

      Moment of little hand kiss between Sansa & Tyrion beautiful.

      *big sigh*

      And now we rest.

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    140. Ambidextrousness for the win. Now we know why Bran gave her the dagger.

      I am not ok about Jorah, guys. Not one bit. And if that was Ghost’s “lots of action” this season, I’ma ask to speak to the manager.

      The 2 beautiful voices are gone.

      Can I just say, +10 points to Missandei?

      Proud of Houndie.

      Sansa & Tyrion, very good.

      POD DIDN’T DIE.

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    141. That was a rather anticlimactic end to the Night King. It is still unclear what his motives was, or why the White Walkers suddenly decided to rise again. The White Walkers were not a threat to the rest of Westeros. It is only the North that had to suffer. There is no reason to meet the army of the dead on an open field. There are castle walls, that is a more defensible position. Bran still hasn’t done anything worthwhile with his powers.

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    142. Laura:
      So did Tormund die? I was so stressed I must have missed it ? I didn’t see him after like 30 mins in though

      I believe he lives, but I’m not 100% sure

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    143. TormundsWoman:
      Clob,

      Really? I thought that was obvious now. NK had blue eyes and he’s pretty much the God of Death in this universe. And Arya is best at assassin work and she automatically got Mel’s meaning and got out of there like a girl with a mission. I knew she’s going I just didn’t think she’ll do it since Dany and Jon were supposedly on it.

      Yeah after the Dragonfire I figured Jon would have needed Dawn

      I was like “where the heck is Arya going” at the time

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    144. Let me start of by saying I don’t know what to say – I just can’t WTF WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF

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    145. Starting and ending with Mel was good too

      She had served her purpose so it was time to go

      Same with Beric, which is fascinating as she could have done a Thoros

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    146. Flora Linden,

      That really makes it sound like the showrunners came up with the entire ending to the White Walker story by themselves.

      Which would explain why none of that had anything to do with the Azor Ahai prophecy.

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    147. So, Arya stabs the Night King, and all the zombies keel over. If only my personal problems could be solved so simply. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    148. That was completely bonkers! Wow. Surprised NK is dead already though and he died from just a stab of valyrian steel? Thought there would be more to it then that.

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    149. mariamb: Yes, I have those questions, too.
      What was the death toll for named characters? Edd, Jorah, Lyanna Mormont, Theon, Mel.

      Ghost is dead (assumption, since we never saw it) and Tormund is alive, he was standing on a pile of bodies at end.

      I think you got the death list correct. My one question is Greyworm.

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    150. Now Goddamn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      That’s what I’m talking ’bout!!!

      They delivered!!!!….
      The best hour or so of television we’ve ever seen! I would not change a thing! Visually it was a stunner. I need another drink.
      Bravo!
      What an episode. Thank the Seven I lived to witness it.

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    151. Boudica,

      His motive was to kill all humans, as we’ve known since Season 5. Despite what some argued here, where was never suggested to be anything more to it than that. Indeed, the showrunners were extremely upfront that he was death, nothing more.

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    152. So much for the direwolves getting much more action this season huh? Joe Bauer over at the vfx studios must have seen a different cut then they put out. Ghost charged into battle and….did bite a single wight 🤦‍♂️

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    153. Yeah, I have to say I am a bit let down that the thing that everyone’s been talking about is dead and we’ve got three more episodes. But the intrigue als manipulations is what made people love the show in the first place so I guess that’s okay.

      Didn’t they say Ghost was gonna do some cool stuff? LOL. I hope he made it.

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    154. Tormund was standing on top of the body pile that Sam was lying against. He’s okay. They wouldn’t not show his death.

      It was only Jorah, Theon, Edd, Beric, Mel and Lyanna in the end – I really read expecting more, so that was a pleasant surprise!!!

      Where the hell did Arya come from? Was she in the tree?? That’s the only bit I find dubious afterwards (at the time I tremble-sploded and cried from relief) – it was worth it for the surprise factor, and I loved the double-handed kill shot that we saw her practice on Brienne – so I am going to assume she was just sitting in that tree waiting for the NK. Props to the people who guessed Arya to kill the NK. I didn’t see that coming!!

      What an episode. I need to rewatch that without my heart going a thousand beats per minute.

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    155. ShameShameShame: didn’t think she’ll do it since Dany and Jon were supposedly on it.

      Totally gobsmacked! I thought NK was going to kill her and I was screaming at the tv like a fool! My Arya did it👏🏻
      RIP Baby Bear 😢

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    156. As it turned out, we didn’t have as many deaths as people expected. I did suggest that might be the case. But damn, I thought every single one of them was gone for multiple times.
      Tyrion and Sansa in the crypt at the end there… yep, thought they were done.
      Deaths

      assuming Ghost and Rhaegal. If that’s how they killed Ghost… just a ‘sad’ inclusion then. Jorah, Edd, Lyanna, Beric, Melisandre, Theon for sure. Not seeing Sam nor Tormund eat it is a good sign.

      Gendry is in the e4 preview so he made it.
      I’ll have to watch that again to spot others.

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    157. Body Count:
      Melisandre
      Edd
      Theon
      Beric
      Little Bear
      Ser Jorah
      THE NIGHT KING AND HIS ARMY!!!

      Not Sure:
      Gendry
      Tormund
      Sam
      Gilly
      Grey Worm
      Brienne
      Pod
      Rhaegal

      All Good:
      Jon
      Daenarys
      Arya
      Bran
      Tyrion
      Varys
      Sansa
      Davos
      Jaimie
      Drogon
      The Hound

      Am I forgetting anyone?

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    158. mariamb: Yes, I have those questions, too.
      What was the death toll for named characters? Edd, Jorah, Lyanna Mormont, Theon, Mel.

      I suspect Ghost is alive, Dany still has Drogon, Rhaegal is dead, but Jon will still have Ghost

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    159. WHAT
      DO
      WE
      SAY
      TO
      THE
      GOD
      OF
      DEATH?!?!?!

      ARYAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The True Princess Who Was Promised and the Light That Brings the Dawn!

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    160. Just quickly, perhaps one of the biggest moments for me was Jon having to notice half his friends were fighting for their lives and still had to push on towards Bran

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    161. Clob,

      Ghost and Tormund are on the scene wear they are walking to burn the dead next episode.

      Aryah Freaking Stark!!!!!!!!!

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    162. Clob,

      ASNAWP, ASNAWP, ASNAWP!!!!! Twenty bloody years I’ve been wanting to see why she was so smart, Brave, talented….NOW WE KNOW!!!!

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    163. Well that ending was a surprise!
      Now I am totally in the dark as to how episodes 3,4 and 5 make a beginning middle and end! God know what the story is in 6!

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    164. I think if they didn’t show their deaths and it’s not explicit that they’re dead, then they’re not dead (yet!). They may start next episode with some mortally wounded characters dying still (probably Rhaegar and Ghost), but they wouldn’t off-screen their deaths. Jon’s POV montage of them all fighting is who was alive at the end.

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    165. So is Arya Azor Ahai/tPWWP? Is she our smoked ham? The scene of Beric/The Hound alternately protecting her was so good. Did Beric suspect there near the end?

      This was all staring us in the face for years btw. The faceless men were protecting her/training her for this moment under all our watchful eyes and we never detected it. That’s why Jaqen smiled so big at her when she said she was going home – exactly where she needed to be to fulfill her destiny. Honestly, slow clap. I really love it.

      What are those of you who are disappointed bummed out by? Just that they were so easy to kill? They really weren’t.

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    166. 80 minutes of suspense, anxiety and terror and 2 minutes of wtf, it’s over and only two minor mains fell (RIP Theon and Jorah), no Starks fell, big strikeout. I guess D&D didn’t want fan favorites falling, I’m sure GRRM’s true story will be quite different. It just didn’t have the powerful ending it needed. I mean Ser Brienne, Ser Jaime and Pod survived, Tormond and Gendry, GW/Miss both, Davos too; obviously D&D were to timid to kill more off, cowards, GRRM isn’t though. The impact of the war was lessened considerably with no major mains martyred.
      Shout to Arya, the true hero of GoT!

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    167. Clob: I had no problems at all.Maybe people should consider their equipment.

      It looked fabulous on my TV. Not even remotely too dark.

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    168. Ghost’s Lunch,

      It felt such a parallel to how Drogon was flying away from Dany. It’s liek there was nothing they could do since they had their own shit to deal with.

      I think at the end when Drogon lands protectively around Dany I almost cried. And Jorah was in her arms dying.

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    169. Sean C.,

      They have always been upfront. But that still does not explain why the White Walkers suddenly appeared again. Basically if they kill everyone they would kill themselves because they used human babies to create new White Walkers, so it is somewhat nonsensical.
      I was completely unsurprised by the end of the Night King, it has been heavily telegraphed since last season. However, I was hoping for some small easter egg to the real ending of the story. And Bran still hasn’t done anything of value. So I guess we will just remain clueless forever.

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    170. Ghost, Tormund, GreyWorm, are all alive the scene next episode where they are burning the dead outside of Winterfell.

      Jon, leaving friends and family to keep fighting……wow!!!!

      ARYAH FREAKING STARK!!!!!!!!

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    171. TormundsWoman:
      The princess that was promised was Arya!

      NOT TODAY

      That could be true still, but D&D heavily imply that ***they*** made the Arya decision ***3 years*** ago, which seems like it would have been independent of whom GRRM said was AAR or TPTWP. At least, that’s how I interpret these D&D quotes from Inside the Episode, 8:55 in:

      For, God, I think it’s probably been three years now or something, we’ve known that it was going to be Arya who delivers that fatal blow. –David

      She seemed like the best candidate provided we weren’t thinking about her in that moment. One of the great things about having this many people you care about in a sequence together is that you can kind of pull people’s attention and focus to people that they care about a lot, like Jon, like Dany, Theon, and Bran, not to mention Tyrion and Sansa in the crypt, so you’re going all over the place with people you’re desperately worried for, and hopefully you forget about the fact that Arya Stark ran out of that castle with the battle drums playing, going towards some purpose, and we don’t know what until it happens. –Dan

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    172. So I guess the question is, can Dany muster 20,000 men from the survivors to take on Cersei? I’m guessing no, judging from the people left standing at the end and the mass carnage and slaughter. So where will she get her army from? Will the next episode be her touring the realm to mass the other lords against Cersei? She’s going to need a new army. If Sapo is directing 5 too, I guess the battle with Cersei will happen then?

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    173. I don’t even know what I just watched. Like I need to understand what happened. This was epic it was sooooooooo amazing I am speeexhless right now !!!!!!

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    174. kathy:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      He’s in the trailer for episode 4, I saw 2 dragons in the clip.

      Yes, he is alive. There were 2 dragons in the preview for next episode.

      As for the rest of the season, I think 4 will be character drama and setup for 5, which will be a battle at KL, and 6 will be aftermath with possible time jump.

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    175. I. CAN’T. BREATHE. So so goooood, although I’m a bit surprised the NK is dead this episode after reading that 3, 4, and 5 are sort of one story. So perhaps a time jump for the last episode?

      “Williams agrees: “I’d say the key players this season are all female,[. . .] – from the March Vogue article earlier this year.
      Yes they are Maisie. YES👏🏽THEY👏🏽ARE👏🏽

      The music was fantastic and that Tyrion and Sansa scene was beautiful (“You were the best of them.”)!!! I also need to process Jorah dying.

      Now, it’s nearly 4am and this is the latest I have stayed up in a long while so with that goodnight. IF I CAN EVEN SLEEP!!

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    176. Long Night was just a joke. I don’t think this is going to be very good final season for this series. Three episodes and nothing. Why?

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    177. Sean C.,

      You truly think that? That would be a huge difference. I mean it would be a different story ending. The books and show are supposed to converge on these huge plot points and endings according to both Benioff and Weiss and Martin as well. Though Martin lately is all over the place with this line.

      I need to watch that vid for myself.

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    178. The shot of the one and only Dolorous Edd going down like the hero he was, was, well, fecking dolorously brilliant.

      R.I.P,, my fave character/ We’ll meet again one day, Edd. First 100,000 rounds on me bro.

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    179. HOLY HODOR!
      Kudos to the folks at Winterfell. After all that, stomping out Cersei and (ugh) Euron, ought to be a (lemon)cake walk. Congrats to Arya Stark and Theon Greyjoy – tonight’s MVPs! There were many other worthy contenders for the honor, but those two … no spoilers … but WOW! I feel like my team just won the Superbowl, World Series, Stanley Cup, World Cup and the NBA all at once! Cannot wait until the reviews roll in. They are going to be good reading.

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    180. Laura,

      Is that why they threw one hint at “The Princess That Was Promised”
      Misdirection to Dany when it was Aryah Freaking Stark all along.

      I can live in that world haha

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    181. Gilly, Little Sam? It sure looked like a crypt wight was dragging her away.

      I could barely take the tension, holding my head mumbling, “This is horrible.” but fucking amazing.

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    182. Really good and…. devastating. All the forces fought bravely, but they better write some damn songs for the Unsullied and Dothraki. I’m glad Dany and Jon lived and worked together . Hopefully, Rhaegal’s only injured.

      Awesome that Arya got to be the one to beat back Death another day.

      Jorah, Melissandre, Beric, Edd, Theon, Lyanna, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, and probably half the North just saved Westeros and the rest of Planetos.

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    183. I missed the whole damn thing – but I see that the Nk is dead. Yes! I hoped/thought they could put away the monster bits and get back to the core GOT.

      I will catch up on the battle later in the week! Great!

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    184. I’ve been crying for an hour, I think. That silence in the beginning made me want for the episode to end. Just escape terror. I can’t say I enjoyed it, it was awesome and terrifying. Knowing Jorah and Beric and Theon would die didn’t make it easier. I somehow expected Jorah to make it, knowing at the same time that he was meant to die for his Khaleesi. I’m so sorry, Pigeon!
      I didn’t expect Lyanna to die, I guess this name doesn’t bring any luck. So House Mormont is extinct. Will I be able to wear the Mormont tee again?
      I’m weeping for Edd. And what about Ghost?

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    185. Stark Raven’ Rad:
      Clob,

      ASNAWP, ASNAWP, ASNAWP!!!!! Twenty bloody years I’ve been wanting to see why she was so smart, Brave, talented….NOW WE KNOW!!!!

      She was one of George’s original main five, so her doing THAT certainly proved her worth!

      When he caught her though I was still, “OH SHIT, NO!!” Even then I wasn’t thinking she’d be the one and she was dead, especially when they kept showing Jon as he was blocked by Viserion.

      Too bad Ten Bears is closed off for a couple days. 😜

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    186. WTF? Wasn’t the Night King like, Jon’s whole story arc?! So what the hell did I just watch?!

      If the show says Arya was always meant to kill the NK per GRRM, I say horseshit. If GRRM himself says, “Yeah this is how it was always suppose to go down”, I say horseshit. This girl-power Hollywood trend is a plague!

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    187. Laura,

      I thought it was great – so unexpected and intense !! I have listed to a lot of channels on UTube with a lot of theories but never heard this one, they were all wrong lol… WHAT DO WE SAY TO THE GOD OF DEATH …….Not frekin today !!

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    188. TormundsWoman,

      Well, it’s not terribly surprising in a lot of ways, because the Night King is pretty clearly a show invention to give the White Walkers a leader whose instant-kill can get rid of the Army of the Dead. So the person who killed the Night King would necessarily also have to be an invention.

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    189. Some people will never be happy. F Them.

      That was an amazing episode.

      I’m expecting some major twists the last few episodes, but at long as there is a quality ending, I will be happy.

      It is funny that the ending of this episode was talked about time and time again in season 1 and nobody picked up on it.

      I have a feeling we are still going to see Naharas come back over the next few episodes.

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    190. Jack Bauer 24:
      That was completely bonkers! Wow. Surprised NK is dead already though and he died from just a stab of valyrian steel? Thought there would be more to it then that.

      Not gonna lie. NK dead and Cersei/Euron being the Big Bad is utterly disappointing to me. And Bran?? Eight years of Buildup and he did literally NOTHING except warg some crows in the big Battle? WTF?

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    191. People say bran didn’t do anything but he gave Arya the dagger
      Maybe there is something more to that dagger than we know

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    192. Gh3ttoK!nG.: I believe he lives, but I’m not 100% sure

      Tormund lives. We do not know what happened to Ghost. My guess is he lives.

      The only one I picked to live who did not was Lyanna Mormont. But I picked a whole lot more to die than apparently did.

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    193. I’m literally shaking and my head is pounding. What an episode.

      Visually stunning, heart renching and shit your pants terrifying from start to finish!

      Highlights: Theon’s blaze of glory and Sansa and Tyrion’s moment of realisation.

      I do have some questions that we’ll all no doubt be debating once we recover:

      So- what is Jon’s destiny special actually meant to be?

      Guess same could be said for Dany- and possibly Bran too.

      Are they all simply wingmen for Arya, the true saviour of mankind?

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    194. Lola: I love Arya but the NK wasn’t even her story. Why do they keep insisting on recking Jon’s character? Bran just sitting there? WTF??

      Do you honestly believe that D&D just decided to have Arya do it? Something that big is endgame… In other words, that’s something they’d get from George.

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    195. I’m not sure how I feel about the NK getting vanquished so easily.

      But I liked that it was dark. It’s frustrating to not be able to see everything, but that’s not a bad thing. That frustration adds to the tension. If we could see everything clearly, it would be cheesy.

      Is it weird and bad that I’m kind of shipping Sansa and Tyrion now?

      Anyway, with three episodes to go, there’s a lot of plot left. Could it really all be spent on Cersei/Euron? I’m thinking no. I’d say the chances of Mad Queen Dany being a thing increased by a lot. She’s lost Jorah. She’s lost the Dothraki and I think most of the Unsullied. She’s found out that she’s not the heir to the Iron Throne. The ingredients are there for her to lose her shit.

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    196. lucy:
      WTF? Wasn’t the Night King like, Jon’s whole story arc?!So what the hell did I just watch?!

      If the show says Arya was always meant to kill the NK per GRRM, I say horseshit. If GRRM himself says, “Yeah this is how it was always suppose to go down”, I say horseshit.This girl-power Hollywood trend is a plague!

      How is this “girl power”? The books started in the 1990’s. Arya was set up to kill the Night King since the first book, and there was even clues about it which were talked about this episode. “What do we say to the god of death?” “Not today”.

      Some people’s sexism gets in the way of any sort of logic.

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    197. thorne garnet:
      who’s watching the re-broadcast tomorrow? Hands up! Wow, and there’s 3 more episodesto go.

      I’m not waiting for tomorrow. As is my ritual, I’ll be watching again tonight!

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    198. I think Alys Karstark is dead too, although I don’t recall seeing it happen. She was with Theon and the others guarding Bran at the start and I think all of them died.

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    199. That was intense! I’m going to need some time to process what we just watched. I was surprised the Night King was taken out so early but, at the same time…ASNAWP!

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    200. Mark: Rheagal is in the preview for next week. Alive!

      I had to watch the preview 5 times to finally see both dragons over Winterfell.
      I am not convinced that Drogon would of had much trouble with ‘piling on’.
      Seems he and Dany should have been more of a factor in the end game even considering the NK would not be flambéed.
      And gee that company of White Walkers seemed kind of useless.

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    201. lucy,

      It took all of them fighting to give the living a chance. Arya killing the Night King was an awesome part of that collective undertaking.

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    202. We saw John kill one of the NK’s generals at Hard Home with the Valarian steel sword. Why would the NK himself be any different? They derived out of the same source, I would imagine.

      The scenes with the dragons above the clouds with the moon shining above was just absolutely stunning. One of the best scenes I have ever seen cinematically on TV. That would have looked awesome in a theater.

      What a weekend. Endgame and the Battle of Winterfell.

      By the way, did we get a Ned cameo in the crypts?

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    203. RBloodworth,

      Makes sense to me. The story George is telling has more to do with how humanity treats itself than how humanity adapts to outside forces.

      Great episode! Had no problems with darkness on my screen, but the pace of the editing was hella fast.
      Very relieved that my bad feelings about Arya’s demise were just my subconscious telling me that she was going to KICK. SOME. ASS!
      I sobbed during Theon’ s death. Alfie rocks!
      Proud of my beautiful bear dying a hero for his queen. 😢
      Now, back to the petty politics in KL…

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    204. The Bastard: How is this “girl power”?The books started in the 1990’s.Arya was set up to kill the Night King since the first book, and there was even clues about it which were talked about this episode.“What do we say to the god of death?”“Not today”.

      Those lines are show-only. Syrio’s motto in the books is “Fear cuts deeper than swords.”

      And there isn’t a Night King in the books, to all appearances, that’s a show invention.

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    205. Lola,

      What would be the proper way to kill the Night King. I agree that it would have been better for it to be Jon or Bran but either way the Night King would have to die from some magical dagger or sword.

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    206. weirwoodtreehugger: I’d say the chances of Mad Queen Dany being a thing increased by a lot

      That may or may not come to pass. Certainly, there will be tension over it. If there is a real concern, it is that she is prepared to become Queen of the Ashes. “Be a dragon”.

      And there are some allies around who are not prepared to let that happen.

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    207. Boojam: And gee that company of White Walkers seemed kind of useless.

      Yeah. I liked the episode and I loved that it was Arya with the VS dagger to take out the NK (That was my favorite “crackpot theory” from when she first got the dagger, thought I thought her faceless man disguise skills would also play a part)

      But, I really wish they would have had some of the characters with VS weapons go up against some White Walkers. Like you say, they didn’t show the WW’s doing much of anything.

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    208. People bitching about Arya killing the NK. 🤦‍♀️

      Because it was super easy, it’s not like there wasn’t a massive battle, thousands killed, dearly loved characters lost. No effort whatsoever, right.

      SHE HAS BEEN TRAINING FOR YEARS, IN THE DARK, SILENT, BLIND, MULTIPLE WEAPONS, ETC. Jon didn’t hear her in the Godswood when they reunited. Do you know how hard it is to be silent on snow? Yup, she totally just pulled it out of her ass, alright.

      Get over yourselves. It’s not shaming or taking away from other characters, geez.

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    209. For everyone asking what is the point of Jon/Aegon, his whole arc was the NK. I think you were misdirected. I think Aegon’s whole arc is to reluctantly sit on the throne. Every time he has been in a leadership position it has been not by his choice. It is other people pushing him there. I think that it will be the same with the Iron Throne.

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    210. Sean C.,

      The show definitely fleshed out the Night King but to be specific, he doesn’t make an *appearance* in the books. He’s definitely mentioned and referred to as the Night’s King or the Great Other.

      Also I do wonder if this is where GRRM is heading as well. There was that moment in ACoK or ASoS where the ghost of high heart is angry at the Brotherhood without Banners for bringing Arya to her. I don’t remember the exact lines but it was something like why bring this dark creature shrouded in death to her. I’ll try to dig it up for the postmortem. Ok , goodnight, for real now.

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    211. Clob: She was one of George’s original main five, so her doing THAT certainly proved her worth!

      When he caught her though I was still, “OH SHIT, NO!!”Even then I wasn’t thinking she’d be the one and she was dead, especially when they kept showing Jon as he was blocked by Viserion.

      Too bad Ten Bears is closed off for a couple days.

      Actually, Ten Bears did make a post that the final blow to the Nk may come from an unexpected source like Arya or Sam. And it makes sense, she is an assassin and Bran did give her that dagger.

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    212. The Bastard: Arya was set up to kill the Night King since the first book, and there was even clues about it which were talked about this episode. “What do we say to the god of death?” “Not today”.

      Some people’s sexism gets in the way of any sort of logic.

      Uhmm. That’s not the book you are recalling. It’s a great line. But your mixing your mediums here.

      FWIW, I think we are seeing a divergence in the ending of the war against the Army of the Dead in a manner different than it will be in the novel — if that novel is ever written. And to be candid, we all know that it might not ever be finished.

      So for now, this is what we have.

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    213. I don’t know what this all means in terms of the prophecy being very specific in the books that TPWWP is born of the line of Aerys/Rhaella. Maybe they’re going with the conceit that prophecies are hooey and if they turn out to be right, it’s all coincidence. Who know? I’m just reveling in the moment 😛

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    214. I’m sorry, but I’m not pleased.
      The long Winter was alwys a synonym for climate change, so I had hoped that the Night King would win or would have had a tie, because that would have been a big slap on all our faces to do something about it.
      We cannot defeat Climate Change easy like this.
      This easy defeat sends a really wrong message.
      Because now they are doing all the king-stuff again, this was the reason why they cared not about the long night.

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    215. Pigeon:
      People bitching about Arya killing the NK. 🤦‍♀️

      Because it was super easy, it’s not like there wasn’t a massive battle, thousands killed, dearly loved characters lost. No effort whatsoever, right.

      SHE HAS BEEN TRAINING FOR YEARS, IN THE DARK, SILENT, BLIND, MULTIPLE WEAPONS, ETC. Jon didn’t hear her in the Godswood when they reunited. Do you know how hard it is to be silent on snow? Yup, she totally just pulled it out of her ass, alright.

      Get over yourselves. It’s not shaming or taking away from other characters, geez.

      Of course, it makes sense. She is a trained assassin. And Bran did give her the dagger.

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    216. I’d love to see Syrio show up. Even if its first Jaqen and he takes off his face. Maybe Syrio has been watching over Arya all along.

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    217. On reflection, I have to kinda agree… Wasn’t there like 100 of them last week?

      We never got to see any of them do some crazy ass WW shit. Nor the NK for that matter, other than raise the dead and smirk a little but hey, that is soooo 2015!! 🤷🏼‍♂️🤨

      Still- I can’t complain too much because that was so damn good, I feel like I lost my virginity again! 🥰

      Boojam:

      And gee that company of White Walkers seemed kind of useless.

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    218. The Episode was SPETACULAR until the the end, the NK death was so retarded, só cheap, so easy…

      Build up: winter is coming for 7 Seasons for this??? Lost in his First battle and so easily?? Nah

      Thank God we have the books. And the
      Books are by a fact wayyyyyyy better.

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    219. I love how people are acting like this was the series finale. We have THREE more movie length eps left and I suspect that’s where a lot of the bitter will come from after getting some sweet this episode. Like for sure Dany the conquering hero shown in the previews won’t last long lol

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    220. On the other hand, my dream that Tyrion and Sansa will end up married by the end is still very much alive, so there’s that, at least!

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    221. I got a lot of flak a while back when I suggested that Sansa might ultimately decide that Tyrion would make a good husband after all, and that this would be perfectly cool storywise and characterwise as long as they framed it as being totally a matter of Sansa exercising her own agency this time. Now I’m feeling vindicated. If a reconciliation between those two, with romantic potential, wasn’t foreshadowed for us tonight, them I’m a grumpkin.

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    222. Lol:
      The Episode was SPETACULAR until the the end, the NK death was so retarded, só cheap, so easy…

      Build up: winter is coming for 7 Seasons for this??? Lost in his First battle and so easily?? Nah

      Thank God we have the books. And the
      Books are by a fact wayyyyyyy better.

      What they did was hide how many steps ahead of the NK Bran actually was and I am at peace with that.

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    223. One of the benefits for GRRM not finishing the story is that he doesn’t have to do the hardest part which is give it a satisfying conclusion. This is especially an issue for the mysterious plot aspects like White Walkers and the 3 Eyed Raven which fans like to theorize over. Just like with Lost, it is easy to create these mysterious elements for a story but is much harder to give satisfying conclusions to them.

      Despite the lower quality of the last 2 books and the fact that it has been almost a decade since he released a new one people will assume that GRRM knows where the story is going and has satisfying conclusions for these mystical elements of the story.

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    224. Shy Lady Dragon:
      I’ve been crying for an hour, I think. That silence in the beginning made me want for the episode to end. Just escape terror. I can’t say I enjoyed it, it was awesome and terrifying. Knowing Jorah and Beric and Theon would die didn’t make it easier. I somehow expected Jorah to make it, knowing at the same time that he was meant to die for his Khaleesi. I’m so sorry, Pigeon!
      I didn’t expect Lyanna to die, I guess this name doesn’t bring any luck. So House Mormont is extinct. Will I be able to wear the Mormont tee again?
      I’m weeping for Edd. And what about Ghost?

      I’m sorry, too. *hugs* RIP House Mormont and my dear sweet bear Jorah. I kept hoping too, without REALLY thinking he’d make it. But then I have for years. Ugh it breaks my heart.

      Somehow, I had this picture of Edd, sitting on the throne at the end, looking around in exasperation and finally proclaiming, “Well, it fucking figures!!!” ❤

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    225. Lol:
      The Episode was SPETACULAR until the the end, the NK death was so retarded, só cheap, so easy…

      Build up: winter is coming for 7 Seasons for this??? Lost in his First battle and so easily?? Nah

      Thank God we have the books. And the
      Books are by a fact wayyyyyyy better.

      7 Seasons and the White Walker or his army have been a small component of it. The vast majority of the story lines had nothing to do with the Northern Threat.

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    226. Firannion:
      I got a lot of flak a while back when I suggested that Sansa might ultimately decide that Tyrion would make a good husband after all, and that this would be perfectly cool storywise and characterwise as long as they framed it as being totally a matter of Sansa exercising her own agency this time. Now I’m feeling vindicated. If a reconciliation between those two, with romantic potential, wasn’t foreshadowed for us tonight, them I’m a grumpkin.

      Yep, I think the chances of Tyrion-Sansa as an end pairing just shot up a 1,000 percent after this episode.

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    227. Some hate on here but that’s to be expected since its the same people who complain.

      Sapo did an amazing job. Really well done suspense at beginning and build up. Excellent deaths by main characters No cheesy last lines. Very real feeling.

      That Theon ending…dang. Such good music. His ending was well done and I’m happy they did it that way.

      NK dying so early and easily….THAT was easy?? that was an epic battle with a lot of deaths. I know some of u wanted bigger deaths like Jaime but relax, there is much more death to come!!

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    228. Firannion:
      I got a lot of flak a while back when I suggested that Sansa might ultimately decide that Tyrion would make a good husband after all, and that this would be perfectly cool storywise and characterwise as long as they framed it as being totally a matter of Sansa exercising her own agency this time. Now I’m feeling vindicated. If a reconciliation between those two, with romantic potential, wasn’t foreshadowed for us tonight, them I’m a grumpkin.

      I always thought they’d be a great couple if they both wanted to be – they bring out each other’s strong qualities very well. He always respected her, she always spoke well of him.

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    229. I love all the people who guessed wrong upset that they guessed wrong.

      What makes for good entertainment, whether you read the books multiple times and have watched every episode numerous times or just the show once…..is guessing wrong.

      Very few people anticipated or hoped Arya would kill the Knight King. Tons of people wanted, suspected and demanded that Jon kill the knight king. Where would be the fun in that?

      Everybody realizes this is fiction, right?

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    230. Clob: Do you honestly believe that D&D just decided to have Arya do it?Something that big is endgame…In other words, that’s something they’d get from George.

      I thought so, too! But D&D are absolutely claiming exactly that here, almost 9 minutes in. Are they lying?

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    231. JamesL,

      How would I do the final battle wigh NK. How abiut this? Bren tries to do some weirdo eyes thing with him, but NK resists. Then Bren gets into other White walkers, one by one (as he did with Hodor before) and each one fights the NK. NK kills them all, but in the process parts of the undead army shutt off. Then, finally, it’s just NK against Bren. Some conversation should reveal things about why the hell the undead even exist, and then Arya can jump in and save the day. How about that?
      Still, AWESOME episode!

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    232. Felt like i held my breath the whole time. Amazing pacing and can see what Sapochnik meant about shifting genres between action, horror and drama. Loved it. Honestly was more thrilling than any movie i’ve seen in a theater in the last decade.

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    233. JamesL:
      One of the benefits for GRRM not finishing the story is that he doesn’t have to do the hardest part which is give it a satisfying conclusion. This is especially an issue for the mysterious plot aspects like White Walkers and the 3 Eyed Raven which fans like to theorize over. Just like with Lost, it is easy to create these mysterious elements for a story but is much harder to give satisfying conclusions to them.

      Despite the lower quality of the last 2 books and the fact that it has been almost a decade since he released a new one people will assume that GRRM knows where the story is going and has satisfying conclusions for these mystical elements of the story.

      You nailed it on the head.

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    234. I suspect Varys’ Little Birds will come in mighty handy in the war to come.

      If not, his less-known Little Pliers will come in handy with removing pesky nails and brads.

      The 99% has a place in this fight, no?

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    235. Jack Bauer 24:
      In the preview for episode 4 one of the dragons that Sansa is looking up at has holes in their wings…

      I’d guess that they were both injured/damaged with all the fighting. They’ll have battle scars now too.

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    236. JSchmeh:
      For everyone asking what is the point of Jon/Aegon, his whole arc was the NK. I think you were misdirected. I think Aegon’s whole arc is to reluctantly sit on the throne. Every time he has been in a leadership position it has been not by his choice. It is other people pushing him there. I think that it will be the same with the Iron Throne.

      Yeah there is more to come with the sword Dawn too.

      Could be about rebuilding, eg Prince that was Promised is about the new Dawn. Dany is the new dawn of Dragons and magic?

      As it stands i reckon Cersei looks the goods to end on the Iron Throne…

      As for prophecy talk, Cersei could end up pregnant so the prophecy of only 3 children could be wrong?

      So Prophecy may be innacurate?

      Melisandre was fascinating, not least because she approached from the same direction as the WW’s

      And all that with Stannis and someone pulling a flaming sword from a fire.

      Speaking of flaming swords, so we are to understand Berics point of being resurrected 6 times or whayever was to save arya at a very specific moment lol

      So much to dissect

      Ed was the 999th and last Lord Commander…and did rise as a Wight for not being burned….

      I guess Sam can be Lord of Horn Hill now that his NW vows are void

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    237. Ginevra: I thought so, too!But D&D are absolutely claiming exactly that here, almost 9 minutes in.Are they lying?

      They said they knew for 3 years that Arya would kill the Night King. They met with George around that time.

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    238. I’m conflicted.

      On the one hand, that was one of the most epic episodes of television I’ve ever seen. Arya killing the Night King was a great twist, and when you look back over the seasons you can see that they laid the groundwork for it in several places.

      And yet, I can’t help feeling a little bit disappointed that the Night King and White Walkers are dealt with this early. They were literally the first thing we saw in the pilot, I was sure they’d be there till the end.

      I guess having only an hour to process what I just saw, my take is that if this had been the ultimate or penultimate episode, I would have no reservations whatsoever. Having more than half the season to go, I can’t help but worry that the Night King will feel so far in the past by the time we reach the denouement.

      But these guys have done a fantastic job with this story, by and large, so I will reserve final judgment until I see the ending they have in store for us.

      For tonight, all I can say is, hell yeah Arya Stark. To think she started the day a virgin who hadn’t saved the world!

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    239. Sean C.: And there isn’t a Night King in the books, to all appearances, that’s a show invention.

      There was a NK in the books, a thousand years or more ago. George said he should be long dead in this time.

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    240. Sean C.,

      They said in that vid they knew 3 years ago that Arya has to kill their leader. Let’s call him a “leader of the Others” since NK is really just what they decided to go with as a constant ruler of the Others while Martin went on record and said that NK as we understood it from the books is really a very specific leader of the Others and no it’s not the same one all the time.

      Going back to the point: 3 years means that Martin only told them in 2015-2016 that Arya is the one that has the largest / most important part in wiping out the Others and their wights army. It would still make her the Princess that a was promised per role definition no? but completely out of synch with the whole prophecy thing.

      Or it would mean they took Jon’s part and decided to let Arya have that role. Which is a huge divergence. That would make me much happier to be honest because the books are heavily invested in these things while the show only sort off. And it would be a bit of an odd writing for Martin who likes to foreshadow his character actions so much.

      I have to say though that it worked out wonderful for Benioff and Weiss if they did it in their own incorporating old phrases (from Mel to Arya from season 2 or 3) That scene is older than 3 years and was always a head scratcher on its own for me.

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    241. Pigeon,

      Right On Pigeon! We’ve seen over the seasons Arya gain all the skills, confidence, and nerve she needed to pull that off. Plus, Bran made sure she had the right weapon to do it too.

      Also, I may be mis-remembering, but didn’t Arya do a “dagger switching hands” move when she was sparring with Brienne way back when they first were at Winterfell a few seasons ago? I think Arya being the one to kill the NK is great, and even though it was a surprise, it makes sense to me that she could and did do it.

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    242. The Bastard,

      Yes exactly. They did but let’s be honest such a big item is not something he’d keep from them in the first “big meeting” when he gave them the whole layout. That was in the first or second season, no?

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    243. These book readers are funny. The same author who gave us the Red Wedding…. And you think the story is as simple as Jon Snow killing the Night King in single combat? GRRM doesn’t work like that.

      Thanks for the laugh.

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    244. The Bastard: They said they knew for 3 years that Arya would kill the Night King.They met with George around that time.

      The story meeting with George was in 2013, Not three years ago.

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    245. Sunfyre:
      Felt like i held my breath the whole time. Amazing pacing and can see what Sapochnik meant about shifting genres between action, horror and drama. Loved it. Honestly was more thrilling than any movie i’ve seen in a theater in the last decade.

      Yeah i loved everything from the camera angles he took (eg at the start), and how it really did filter through genres

      H

      fleasome:
      I love all the people who guessed wrong upset that they guessed wrong.

      What makes for good entertainment, whether you read the books multiple times and have watched every episode numerous times or just the show once…..is guessing wrong.

      Very few people anticipated or hoped Arya would kill the Knight King.Tons of people wanted, suspected and demanded that Jon kill the knight king.Where would be the fun in that?

      Everybody realizes this is fiction, right?

      e did it very well in Hardhome where halfway he went from drama to horror and now here as well

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    246. Pigeon: I always thought they’d be a great couple if they both wanted to be – they bring out each other’s strong qualities very well. He always respected her, she always spoke well of him.

      I was also hoping for Tyrion and Sansa to be together.

      Actually Tyrion/ Sansa and Jaime /Brienne – make for a tightly interlinked family unit if they all survive.

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    247. She sure did. She didn’t even have to flip it, this time.

      I figured everyone would be bitching about that.

      onefromaway:
      Pigeon,

      Right On Pigeon!We’ve seen over the seasons Arya gain all the skills, confidence, and nerve she needed to pull that off.Plus, Bran made sure she had the right weapon todo it too.

      Also, I may be mis-remembering, but didn’t Arya do a “dagger switching hands” move when she was sparring with Brienne way back when they first were at Winterfell a few seasons ago? I think Arya being the one to kill the NK is great, and even though it was a surprise, it makes sense to me that she could and did do it.

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    248. So Arya is both Meriadoc and Eowyn, taking down the Witch-King of Angmar to everyone’s surprise. The little person and the female person.

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    249. Beric went out like a straight Boss. And they made his death hit even harder by not letting us get one last word from him. Same with Jorah. Well played.

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    250. One thing I do fee a bit disappointed by is how little we saw Jon in this battle. Considering he is the figurehead of the NK/AOTD storyline, and this was its climax, he really didn’t do all that much. I don’t have too big a problem with Arya being the one to deliver the final blow, as there has been the set-up with her assassin training and her being given the blade by Bran, but I do feel a loss that Jon didn’t really do much. It feels like his character was a bit short-changed. He is the one who brought them all together to be fight, it’s true, and they are there because of him as Tyrion stated, but I really thought he would have a more active role in the battle itself. It has been almost his entire arc so far and I feel like it’s ended on a bit of a cliffhanger for him. I guess his secondary arc, the reveal of R+L=J and his place in the line of succession, are going to take over for him, but I have to say, I am not happy that he played very little part in this final battle in the AOTD story.

      I can see why they said fans were going to be divided (and we’re not even at the end yet!).

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    251. I just now finally finished. It was so intense I had to take breaks just to absorb everything (and bring my heart rate down).

      Will share more thoughts once I catch my breath, but in the meantime…

      WOW, what a musical score by Ramin Djawadi!!! Masterful.

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    252. Jack Bauer 24,

      I still think getting the CGI right on reality based animals like wolves must be a huge undertaking. I suspect if they couldn’t get it to look believable enough then they wouldn’t air that footage. Also, I was fine with Ghost and Nymeria not partaking in the carnage. I really don’t like seeing animals get hurt/killed.

      Also, Those.Damn.Crypts!!! Hope Gilly and baby Sam made it. I also hope they don’t gloss over the extent of loss suffered by the Northern alliance. I I think them dealing with the dead and wounded should be a huge plot point from here until the end of the series.

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    253. So I have to say, we have a LOT to dissect WRT the Azor Ahai/PTWP/Jon/Dany/Brans real purpose.

      But Arya killing the NK was a truly excellent twist. The fact alone that we’re all debating it already is pretty telling.

      It’s now clear why the LOL brought back Beric and indeed he did have plans for Sandor: to protect Arya and deliver her as the saviour of mankind.

      Take. A. Bow.

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    254. Gator5000e:
      Ginevra,

      I think George told them how the series ends. That is, who wins the Game of Thrones. Not precisely how we would get there.

      He told them how the main character arcs ended. He admits he doesn’t even have an ending for a lot of the secondary characters. So that will be different in the books.

      It is highly likely that Arya kills The Great Other in the books.

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    255. This episode had the scariest start of a battle I have ever seen. When Mel lit the Dothraki swords I cheered, but when they all went out while charging a faceless storm I just about passed out. I think Ghost bit the dust…but Jorah came back so you never know! I am about to watch it again, but I remember so many great moments during this battle. I cheered several times and never sat back in my chair. Arya’s fight on the battlements was incredible as Davos watched in amazement.

      I’m not going to write a full review right now other than saying I’m satisfied with how it ended, because everyone was f’kd. I couldn’t see how anyone would have survived if the NK survived. There were just too many of them and they were raising all of the dead soldiers. It would have been game over after episode 3…the end! It just didn’t make sense to me that anyone would have made it out.
      And it didn’t come out of no where. It gave a purpose for Arya’s training other than just the revenge of checking off people on her list. And Sandor came to her rescue. Perhaps that was his purpose as well and why he could see visions in the flame.

      OK. I gotta go back to the TV and watch again… The most amazing looking battle I’ve even seen. The way it looked the the storm of the dead just absorbed the armies was really frightening. I thought everyone was f’d.

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    256. Jack Bauer 24:
      In the preview for episode 4 one of the dragons that Sansa is looking up at has holes in their wings…

      When Rhaegal went down throwing Jon to the ground, he had lots of holes in his wings from the battle with undead Viserion. I thought it was Viserion at first, but then Jon fell off.

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    257. Firannion,

      I almost laughed when she said Tyrion was the best of them. I think it was the only moment of levity I found in the whole ep. and him kissing her hand. I said when I first read the books that this power couple will sit the IT. That changed a few times during the years but looks like they just went at the top of the list again! Sooo happy ☺️

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    258. TormundsWoman:
      Sean C.,
      Going back to the point: 3 years means thatMartin only told them in 2015-2016 that Arya is the one that has the largest / most important part in wiping out the Others and their wights army. It would still make her the Princess that a was promised per role definition no? but completely out of synch with the whole prophecy thing.

      If they aren’t lying about the 3 years, then I’m 99% sure they didn’t find out from George. George told them all of the endgame many years ago. I don’t understand how this can all be. I hope we do get more explanation. Obviously, Arya won’t kill the NK in the books, and probably one Other won’t domino every single other Other and wight in the entire world. But will Arya deal the final blow to end the Great War in the books?

      I want more closure. I hope we get that in the next three episodes and beyond.

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    259. HousePotterz: And yet, I can’t help feeling a little bit disappointed that the Night King and White Walkers are dealt with this early.

      I agree, most epic episode ever – of any TV show or movie. But I also agree that eliminating the biggest threat that the show has centered around in one episode feels off. You’re right, as a penultimate episode it would have been perfect.

      Cercei seems like such a minor threat compared to what we just saw. I was totally convinced that Winterfell would fall and there would be a future reckoning with the Night King. All this does is prove to Cercei that she was right to stay in the South and drink wine.

      All that said, from about 1:05 on (until Arya lept into the picture), I started to believe that *everyone* was gonna to die and they’d all be wights marching to KL next week LOL. So yeah, masterful job on the episode.

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    260. I kept waiting for either AeJon or Daenerys to do a strafing run when they started getting through the fire trench. Jon and Rhaegal were just sitting on the wall. I realize he was waiting for the NK but geez…

      I would have loved more Arya stick twirling fighting. I liked seeing Davos I’mNotMuchOfAFighter watching her with his mouth practically hanging open.

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    261. I hate to say I was right. But…ding dong, the zombies are gone! ASNAWP stuck him with the pointy end!

      I have no idea who died other than Jorah,Theon,Lyanna, and the zombies and their pale king who didn’t speak. I had to turn the brightness up on the TV. So if anyone else died, I missed it.

      The episode was okay. Too dark. Too good vs evil. I’m glad that whole storyline is over. Now, I’m ready for the GRRM twist at the end.

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    262. Lol:
      The Episode was SPETACULAR until the the end, the NK death was so retarded, só cheap, so easy…

      Build up: winter is coming for 7 Seasons for this??? Lost in his First battle and so easily?? Nah

      Thank God we have the books. And the
      Books are by a fact wayyyyyyy better.

      No, silly – you DON´T have the books. Not for THIS part. And will never get them, in all likelihood.

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    263. Gator5000e:
      Ginevra,

      I think George told them how the series ends. That is, who wins the Game of Thrones. Not precisely how we would get there.

      Didn’t they spend days or weeks together? Didn’t George and D&D say that all of the ends of the major characters would be the same in the books as in the show? If Arya ends the Great War and the Long Night, that is a key element to the end of her story. Just. So. Confused.

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    264. Ahem, could some-one tell me exactly what happened btw Sansa and Tyrion?

      I still have not seen the episode…..

      I did expect them to couple up by the end of the series.

      But I am so happy that this monster battle is done.

      More real GOT with politics and infighting upcoming with the Cersei gang.

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    265. Jack Bauer 24:
      I don’t think the NK will die tonight. I don’t expect to even see him in 803.

      I totally agree. I also think that the GOT prequel should be called “I Don’t Know Jack.”

      😉

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    266. Che: One thing I do fee a bit disappointed by is how little we saw Jon in this battle. Considering he is the figurehead of the NK/AOTD storyline, and this was its climax, he really didn’t do all that much.

      Agree, Dany also seemed sidelined. I mean it seemed that a delaying action by everyone played a part in victory, but thought it would have been better if each had of played a more integral part in victory than the sacrifices that were made.
      All the Dothraki lost?, there were a few survivors …. but still… that seemed goofy.

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    267. Ginevra,

      Well if you and Sean are right -and it looks like you two might be about having it from Martin that someone else is the main “dealer of fatal blow” to the Others and Wight army and deciding to go their own way- then the domino effect type of sired vampirism may very well have been show only.

      Regardless, I’m in the camp of “from your keyboard to Martin’s ear. I like these kind of surprises. ☺️

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    268. Is nobody thinking about the grunt Dany made when the night king through his magic javelin? Why have her make a sound? She was hit. Me thinks she will carry on as Night Queen.

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    269. flintstonewielder: No, silly – you DON´T have the books. Not for THIS part. And will never get them, in all likelihood.

      Shhhhh….. Don’t ruin the surprise for them.

      The series will never be finished. No Book 7. Dunk & Egg will never be finished. 50/50 on whether or not Fire and Blood Vol 2 gets finished.

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    270. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      I hate to say I was right. But…ding dong, the zombies are gone! ASNAWP stuck him with the pointy end!

      I have no idea who died other than Jorah,Theon,Lyanna, and the zombies and their pale king who didn’t speak. I had to turn the brightness up on the TV. So if anyone else died, I missed it.

      The episode was okay. Too dark. Too good vs evil. I’m glad that whole storyline is over. Now, I’m ready for the GRRM twist at the end.

      You were right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I am happy you were!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    271. The Bastard: Shhhhh….. Don’t ruin the surprise for them.

      The series will never be finished.No Book 7.Dunk & Egg will never be finished.50/50 on whether or not Fire and Blood Vol 2 gets finished.

      Dang, this gives *This won´t be in the books* a whole new meaning.

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    272. JamesL:
      There has been so many complaints about how dark this season is, I can’t believe HBO didn’t fix the brightness prior to this episode. I am already seeing lots of complaints about it and the episode just started.

      I agree, it was piss poor! Couldn’t see hardly any of the action and or in the dragon flying scences either. Was better when there was an orange afterglow which illuminated some of the scenes. Arya fighting with her staff in the crypts was too dark also 🙁

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    273. Clob:
      In the e4 preview Daenerys says they “will rip her out, root and stem.”Is she calling Cersei a dick? ☺

      Lol. With what army though? They’re in no position to fight 20,000 strong.