Game of Thrones Season 7 Finale- The Dragon and the Wolf – Episode Chat

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Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 7 “The Dragon and the Wolf”
Director: Jeremy Podeswa
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Runtime: 80 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Graphic Violence, Nudity
Video Preview: The Dragon and the Wolf

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    1. It’s here!!! I expect a few fireworks and revelations, but not a finale as great as “The Winds of Winter”. This is only because I see this season as ‘The Final Season Part 1’ rather than completely separate from Season 8, but I’m still hoping for an incredible episode that sets up the final six episodes.

      Unfortunately due to various circumstances I probably won’t be able to watch the episode until Monday evening, but I look forward to reading the fallout after I have watched it.

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    2. Anyone else feel like they have to prepare themselves for the inevitable cliffhanger to end all cliffhangers? Maybe it is crazy but I keep thinking I will intimately be bummed out to wait a year and a half for the end of the story. But I guess patience is a virtue!

      Also I just read there will only be six episodes in the final season? I thought it was to be seven? Bummer!

      The ice dragon cometh! I hope we see ghost too!

      Cheers all!

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    3. A few cast members have said that this episode sets the stage for the final season. Which means I expect…

      1. The Arya/Sansa/Littlefinger storyline to be resolved in some way.
      2. The King’s Landing issue to either be resolved or to have a major change happening.
      3. More details on Bran and the Night King.

      #3 is actually what I find the most important.

      I’m not sure if this is spoilers because I honestly don’t know, but I will put it with spoiler tags just in case. The theory that Bran is The Night King really makes a lot of sense. He went back in time multiple times and eventually got lost there as The Night’s King. The 3ER told him he would never walk again, but he would fly. The Night King will likely fly on a dragon. in the first season, Ned told Arya that Bran would never be a “night” but could raise castles like Bran The Builder (a major hint??). Remember that the end of the very first episode ended with Bran being thrown from a window. Is the Night King going South in order to get revenge on the man who started the events that made him like this…. Jamie Lannister!! It all makes a lot of sense.

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    4. The Bastard,

      Yeah I agree with you, the battle for the dawn (book reference) has to be the end game. That’s what Martin envisioned…I expect the last season to follow suit.

      For the record I don’t think Bran is the night king.

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    5. I really don’t want to see a massive cliffhanger at the end of this season. Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, & 6 ended perfectly fine without major cliffhangers. I feel that is just a cheap ploy.

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    6. Hype hype hype hype!!!!!

      On one hand I am excited for this episode, but on the other hand it means that after this episode there is only 1 season left. 🙁

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    7. “When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives.”

      Highly anticipating! Can’t wait!

      Did folks know that that quote appears in AGoT, ACoK and twice in AFfC?

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    8. Prediction: Sam shows up at King’s Landing and challenges the Mountain to a duel. Right before the battle, Bran wargs into Sam and he carves the Mountain up like swiss cheese. Bran wargs back out immediately after and the normal Sam then proceeds to clumsily trip on Heartsbane and fall face first into a pile of fresh horse manure. All onlookers are dumbfounded. Cersei and Dany, both still bidding to become the only true Queen, simultaneously knight Sam. Henceforth he is called Ser Piggy the Mountain Slayer.

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    9. The Bastard,

      I think he is Bran shower handle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss)

      In all seriousness, in terms of the show, my own opinion is Bran is Bran. But in the books who knows where Martin is going.

      But in terms of the show, clearly Bran has a stake in the endgame. I just can’t figure out what it is. Obviously he messed up last season when he went in the past against the 3 eyes raven’s wishes and the NK “caught” him. Tonight we will presumably see more to that; will the NK and co cross the wall as a result? Will we ever see what that mistake will cost Bran and Westeros?

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    10. Kevin1989:
      “The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives”

      Wondering who will outsmart who in this season final.

      I’ve been thinking about that statement. Do you think it may mean Bran? I don’t mean it as in Bran will physically die. I mean he’s no longer Bran. Bran is dead; the 3ER lives and the 3ER has no family ties. He seems to only serve as a defense against the WW’s.

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    11. Tamwell Sarly: Henceforth he is called Ser Piggy the Mountain Slayer.

      Lol. Thx, needed that levity. 🙂

      ..but I am all for Sam arriving in KL to stir up some shit…and soup…

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    12. Tamwell Sarly:
      Prediction: Sam shows up at King’s Landing and challenges the Mountain to a duel. Right before the battle, Bran wargs into Sam and he carves the Mountain up like swiss cheese. Bran wargs back out immediately after and the normal Sam then proceeds to clumsily trip on Heartsbane and fall face first into a pile of fresh horse manure. All onlookers are dumbfounded. Cersei and Dany, both still bidding to become the only true Queen, simultaneously knight Sam. Henceforth he is called Ser Piggy the Mountain Slayer.

      That alone is worth the subsciption! 🙂

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    13. The Bastard:
      I really don’t want to see a massive cliffhanger at the end of this season.Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, & 6 ended perfectly fine without major cliffhangers.I feel that is just a cheap ploy.

      I agree. I mostly want resolution so we can get to the Real War next year. They’ve set up a lot to be resolved, so there have to be several breakthroughs. I’m most interested in the big parlay and Winterfell. We need tension in the former and serenity and contentment in the latter. We’ve never seen so many main characters (17?) come together and the tension is bound to be intense. Will Sandor try to talk to Gregor and find out he can no longer speak? Will Euron and Theon have words? And I thrill to the vision of Cersei and Dany facing down each other, probably with Jon in the middle. And what in Hades is the NK going to do with I-Viserion? That threat has to become more real to set up S8. On another note, I’m eager to see what they make of the ruin in Italica outside Seville. It’s beautiful, but I wonder if they’re going to GoTransform it.

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    14. I’m hoping-since they said we’re setting up for final season:
      1. The pack comes together and LF finally dies
      2. Jaime FINALLY leaves Cersei (yes, I know I hope that every episode lol)
      3. Sam definitely and maybe Gendry show up in Winterfell
      4. Bran has a flashback
      5. These people live: Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Davos, Tormund, Edd, Brienne, Pod, Bronn, Bran, Arya, Sansa (she’s made me like her this season), Jorah, Sam, Gilly, Gendry, Hound, Jaime…

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    15. This is the hardest part with 2h + to go till showtime. I just hope we don’t lose anyone dear tonight. I can deal with the bluster at KL. Not one pic of Dany? Show the wight and let’s get on with the Cleganebowl!

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    16. Does anyone think that Qyburn will sense an opportunity for innovation when he sees Missandei and Grey Worm together?

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    17. Waaaaaaaahhhh! GET HYPE! I’m flagging badly here (it’s 11.40pm) so I need you all to keep me wide awake until 2am please! I’ve read all the spoilers so won’t pretend to do any speculation. All I’ll say is I think people are gonna like this episode, it looks like there’s pretty much something for everyone. Haven’t listened to the soundtrack yet but apparently there’s some really good music coming up too 😀

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    18. Erica,

      The lone wolf dies = Jon Snow is no longer a wolf, R+L=J is revealed on the show. Jon is a Targaryen.

      The pack survives = Sansa, Arya and Bran begin to work together, as evidenced by the death of Littlefinger by their hand

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    19. I know Jon has already ceded the North to Dany but does anyone think he’ll bend the knee for all to see at this KL meeting?

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    20. RG: Are you saying it’s coming out next year and the 2019 thing is a horrible rumor to torture us?

      Pretty sure it’ll be Spring ’19

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    21. RG: Are you saying it’s coming out next year and the 2019 thing is a horrible rumor to torture us?

      I’m saying that the shooting of the last season is happening at the same time. If the shoot takes longer, that will delay things. If the post production takes longer, that will delay things. I just don’t see it delaying things for an entire year.

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    22. Chuck:
      Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozy.

      Finally I can think of something positive about this season having just 7 episodes… If it was still ten, you and Dee would run out of letters before the season finale 😀

      So hyped too and try not think to much about the long night, that awaits us after tonight!! Extended the joy of tonight’s season finale by arranging a dinner party tomorrow night for several of my friends, who can’t stay up and watch it at 03:00-04:20 AM local time. So now it’s guaranteed two GoT Nights of total entertainment, and also totally excited about seeing their reactions liv!

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    23. The Bastard: I’m saying that the shooting of the last season is happening at the same time.If the shoot takes longer, that will delay things.If the post production takes longer, that will delay things.I just don’t see it delaying things for an entire year.

      Filming started in September for S7. It’s starting October for S8.

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    24. Lulus Mum:
      Waaaaaaaahhhh! GET HYPE! I’m flagging badly here (it’s 11.40pm) so I need you all to keep me wide awake until 2am please! I’ve read all the spoilers so won’t pretend to do any speculation. All I’ll say is I think people are gonna like this episode, it looks like there’s pretty much something for everyone. Haven’t listened to the soundtrack yet but apparently there’s some really good music coming up too 😀

      Happy 50th, Lulu’s Mum!!!! I can’t wait for the ice penguins to be freed when the Wall comes down!

      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YNwzfCLXCwU/UV1mc_Xh4yI/AAAAAAAAHpQ/-fvJmPdhsNc/s1600/Penguin-and-Polar-Bear-Ice-Cube-Molds.png

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    25. Noh. Nowy tends.

      (Sorry, couldn’t help myself)

      I’m never emotionally prepared for the season finale, even if I have an idea of what happens. Actually, it’s more that I’m not prepared for ordinary life AFTER the season finale. The SERIES finale should be a real hoot. This is the only show I’ve ever actually felt anxiety over. Arrrrrgh.

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    26. Lulus Mum: Waaaaaaaahhhh! GET HYPE! I’m flagging badly here (it’s 11.40pm) so I need you all to keep me wide awake until 2am please!

      You’re not alone on this mission, so no worries. AND BIGTIME HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 😀
      Looking so much forward to the music as well – there should be a completely new theme for a certain someone, so I didn’t dare listening to it before the finale 🙂

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    27. Lulus Mum:
      Waaaaaaaahhhh! GET HYPE! I’m flagging badly here (it’s 11.40pm) so I need you all to keep me wide awake until 2am please! I’ve read all the spoilers so won’t pretend to do any speculation. All I’ll say is I think people are gonna like this episode, it looks like there’s pretty much something for everyone. Haven’t listened to the soundtrack yet but apparently there’s some really good music coming up too 😀

      I hear ya, I accidentally took a sedative instead of my thyroid med, so COFFEE IT IS!!!! I have faith in you, my dear penguin ally.

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    28. The BBC website has an article on whether Dany, Cersei, Jon, Gendry or Littlefinger would have the best claim to the iron throne. Applying the rules which existed for the (what is now British) monarchy in the Middle Ages, it looks at how accurately the show reflects practice at the time and has comparisons with similar historical figures. LIGHT SPOILER WARNING: for anyone who’s not sure who Jon’s father is, the article assumes it’s the fan favourite.

      Bonus: photo of the Queen wearing what looks like a lemon cake hat. I’m now imagining Sansa suddenly appearing stage right and attacking it in the manner of a great white shark. Om nom nom! 😋

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    29. Pigeon:
      I apologize that this meme is from Reddit, but man did I laugh….gotta have some levity!

      In the event that the Walkers ever make it to Winterfell, you may be rest assured we are safe:

      https://i.redd.it/223agyv9v7iz.jpg

      When the Others come to Winterfell, I fully expect the dead Kings of the North to rise from the crypts and fight the Others under the command of a living Stark. But that’s some fun for next season.

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    30. Ginevra: When the Others come to Winterfell, I fully expect the dead Kings of the North to rise from the crypts and fight the Others under the command of a living Stark.But that’s some fun for next season.

      I HOPE so, that would be so cool…although I suppose they would be skeletons. Still, Jason and the Argonauts CGI could work. 😉

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    31. Happy Birthday, Lulu’s Mum !

      Off to bed, it’s getting late in France, happy watching everyone, see you in a few hours.

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    32. Here we are at the end … at least for a little while. Season 7 has been absolutely phenomenal. I’ve loved every episode, reveled in every great moment, and I have every confidence that tonight’s finale to deliver in a similar fashion.

      We don’t know precisely when we’ll have a new episode to discuss after this, but what I do know is that I’m going to savor every precious living second of this one! I hope that you all do as well. Cheers! 🙂

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    33. Dead Dane Walking: It’s going to be such a long-ass winter!!
      http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Michaelscottfacepalm1.gif

      A+ grade for your new gravatar btw. 😉

      Poor Michael, lol. I feel the same…..yes I got sucked in to the Facebook Night King feature thanks to Kristofer Hivju. It’s a little alarming if you smile using your teeth, not sure what I expected, but ol NK having pearly whites is actually scarier than anything!

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    34. Ginevra,
      Thanks sweetie. I’d like to say I woke up a proper grown up this morning but that’s a big fat lie, thank goodness 😜

      My giant killer penguins are just taking their time. Wall doesn’t matter to them because, unlike (apparently) the WWs and wights, they love water and are good swimmers. As are polar bears actually. The wight animals may prove more of a problem than wight humans, at least the WWs are presumably at least still part-human and can be communicated with?

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    35. Chuck:
      Dead Dane Walking,

      Hey that’s is damn decent and cool of you! I hope your friends can avoid spoilers.

      Two of them are bookreaders from way back in the early days. The rest of us are “show only” until after S8E06, but everyone avoid spoilers and leaks. And they won’t be getting any from me, that’s for sure!

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    36. Pigeon: I HOPE so, that would be so cool…although I suppose they would be skeletons. Still, Jason and the Argonauts CGI could work. 😉

      Do you think they might fight in their stone statue likenesses along with their direwolves? I just keep thinking that would be the most badass thing ever…

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    37. Cheers! on your birthday, Lulu’s Mom. When your mum had you 50 years ago, I wager she had no idea it would be on such an important date ;-} . I hope you’re right about something for everyone, because cast and crew are saying next season will be “carnage”, so I don’t want this one to end in a Shambles! I will buy the soundtrack tomorrow. I always wait for a season to end because the music and track titles reveal so much. That Ramin Djwadi is a talented bugger. Adieu for now–the spouse and I are off to re-watch episode 6.

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    38. Ginevra,

      Ice penguins ? Now hold on. I was told there were going to be Wight chickens. 🐤🐓🐓🐓🐓

      “You gonna die for some chickens ?”
      “Someone is. ”

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    39. Pigeon: Poor Michael, lol. I feel the same…..yes I got sucked in to the Facebook Night King feature thanks to Kristofer Hivju. It’s a little alarming if you smile using your teeth, not sure what I expected, but ol NK having pearly whites is actually scarier than anything!

      Haha yes! Had so much fun with that app yesterday with some friends….aaaand beer and a LOT of Gin & Tonic! Have you tried to start with some distance to the camera? Then it adds it gradually. It’s really smooth..

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    40. Ten Bears:
      Ginevra,

      Ice penguins ? Now hold on. I was told there were going to be Wight chickens. 🐤🐓🐓🐓🐓

      “You gonna die for some chickens ?”
      “Someone is. ”

      Ice chickens are the most delicious. It is known. The Hound would be all over those bad boys.

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    41. Dead Dane Walking,
      Thank you er…Ser Arthur? (just guessing there, he’s the only dead Dayne I know). I shall eat loads of cake and send keeping awake sugary vibes through my keyboard to everyone who needs them. Because of course I wouldn’t dream of eating cake normally. Oh no.

      As for the music, hoping Team Awesome from the trailer (Jon and gang) come in to something from West Side Story and do some finger clicking, bring it Lannisters, dance moves!

      Pigeon,
      Oooh I take thyroid stuff too (under active). I’ll eat some cake for you, oh feathery one.

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    42. This is it! I’m so excited!

      The long wait/Long Night will be upon us soon so let’s savor every moment of this episode.

      Happy viewing to everyone! 😋🙏

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    43. Dee Stark:
      Chuck,

      Dooooooooooooozy for sure

      Dead Dane Walking,

      LOOL

      Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezy! Wanna by a vowel? 😀 Are you ready for some feature lenght Game…of…Thrones??!!!
      I’m going nuts here. Just know they’ll go off the charts tonight and fuck us up badly…and I’ll love or love to hate every bit of it!

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    44. I am excited but sad at the same time. Excited for the episode but sad that this season is almost over. Only 6 more episodes left. 😀😥😀😥😀😥😀😥

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    45. Ginevra: Do you think they might fight in their stone statue likenesses along with their direwolves?I just keep thinking that would be the most badass thing ever…

      Oh SWEET. That would be amazing! 😲😲 The Weeping Stark Angels!

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    46. Tamwell Sarly:
      Prediction: Sam shows up at King’s Landing and challenges the Mountain to a duel. Right before the battle, Bran wargs into Sam and he carves the Mountain up like swiss cheese. Bran wargs back out immediately after and the normal Sam then proceeds to clumsily trip on Heartsbane and fall face first into a pile of fresh horse manure. All onlookers are dumbfounded. Cersei and Dany, both still bidding to become the only true Queen, simultaneously knight Sam. Henceforth he is called Ser Piggy the Mountain Slayer.

      I’ll buy that scenario!

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    47. Ten Bears:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Savor the anticipation! It’s better to await something you desire than to remember how it was after it happened. At least that’s how I feel.

      Well said. Thanks for the kind words lately btw. I know I’ve been hard on this season, but I still love the show and it’s my favorite show ever.

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    48. Dead Dane Walking: Haha yes! Had so much fun with that app yesterday with some friends….aaaand beer and a LOT of Gin & Tonic! Have you tried to start with some distance to the camera? Then it adds it gradually. It’s really smooth..

      Yes! Very neat. And a definite improvement on my normal visage! (pats ice crown vainly)

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    49. Chuck:
      Ginevra,

      Wight chihuahuas’ would scare the shit out of me.

      OMG…what an aweful thought!! Last weeks polar bear will suddenly look like Paddington next to a wight chihuahua!

      Lulus Mum: Thank you er…Ser Arthur? (just guessing there, he’s the only dead Dayne I know).

      Back when I signed up, I was actually SO close to picking a name with some Dayne-play in it, but went for this WW/Green Mile combo.
      Almost (edit: forget the “almost”!!) burping from the thought of all that e-cake 😀 ..or might just be the Dr. Pepper fizz, I finally managed to find again in Denmark.

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    50. There are three things I’d like to see tonight: Cersei die, Littlefinger die, and a Rhaegar flashback! I’m sure not all will happen, if any, but at hopefully at least one will. Trying so hard to get the kids asleep early so maybe I can finally watch it at its actual time!

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    51. Ginevra,
      Must save lots of mmm what goes with this dress/coat/hat decisions, which add up over the years.

      DaphNenya,
      Hope this is correct: Je te remercie 😀

      Stark Raven' Rad,
      And thanks to you too 😀 Not gonna give anything away but there is more than one thing due to happen which will make quite a few of us give an appreciative “oh yeeeeesss”. Some of the soundtrack titles are a little spoilery, but nothing along the lines of the Star Wars ones which are basically a description of what happens in the scenes, including named characters’ deaths 🙁

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    52. Erica,

      I know! I feel like they’re really setting it up with Beric’s comment to Jon about his appearance as well as Gilly’s “Prince Ragger” discovery.

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    53. Gfx:
      There are three things I’d like to see tonight: Cersei die, Littlefinger die, and a Rhaegar flashback! I’m sure not all will happen, if any, but at hopefully at least one will. Trying so hard to get the kids asleep early so maybe I can finally watch it at its actual time!

      On point!! And add to that Dany arriving at the meeting in traditional black’n bright red Targ colors and maybe a saddle on Drogon. Didn’t think of Rhaegar flashback…but that would just be the icing, wouldn’t it!

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    54. My dreams for tonight:
      1. Knight of the Fucking Laughing Tree!!!
      2. Jon riding Rhaegal and setting down in Winterfell!!!
      3. Arya badassery.
      4. Sam the Slayer badassery.

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    55. About to sign off. Enjoy the finale everyone. Sad that it’s ending tonight. I wish you all good fortune in the wars to come.

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    56. Ten Bears:
      Erica,

      Lord Glover will change his mind again, renounce Jon, and declare Sansa QitN

      Sansa will then diplomatically and wisely turn down a minor suggestion by Glover, and he will renounce Sansa and declare his horse King in the North.

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    57. Dee Stark,

      It’s such a weird night. The usual shakes we get after the episodes…well, I have’em already! And now I just realized, I’ve completely forgotten my normal routine of watching the previous one or two episodes, while waiting into the middle of the night!

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    58. Nymeria the wolf,

      The show can’t drag it out any longer. Bran startled Littlefinger with the “Chaos is a ladder” line a few episodes back. Bran has seen how LF devastated his family. It’s time for the three wolves at Winterfell to taste sweet revenge.

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    59. Ginevra,

      Uuh it’s been a while since I played something with JCM 🙂 Might do that…tomorrow! Now it’s time to stock up on beverages and snacks and then – LIGHTS OUT!

      I hope as many as possible will find something to their liking in the first truly feature-ish episode in GoT history. Enjoy everyone and try to stay alive!

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    60. Jack Bauer 24:
      About to sign off. Enjoy the finale everyone. Sad that it’s ending tonight. I wish you all good fortune in the wars to come.

      You too. It’s been a pleasure to see another side of you tonight. It suits you well!

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    61. This is the Final Episode guys!!!!!!!
      i’ll be back on to read the responses, hope you all enjoy it ^^

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    62. Urgh, I hate Auto-Quality…. I get shitty quality (with 120MBit!), so it seems like a lot here in Germany watch the Finale…!

      Have fun watching the Season 7 Finale!

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    63. I hope someone will be reporting what’s happening on the screen: it’s 4 a.m. at my place and the episode will air only after 6 hours here, but I am so earger to share the hype with you watchers that I couldn’t sleep tonight.

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    64. Damn. And here I thought that promo was going to announce when Season 8 would premiere. This offseason is going to kill me.

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    65. There’s been a longstanding rumour that Lena Headey and Jerome Flynn won’t work together. Until now I wasn’t sure if it was true or not, but Bronn wandering out of the Dragonpit scene for no reason would seem to suggest it is.

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    66. The Cleganebowl is cancelled and I love that the writers addressed it in the way they did ^^

      Also, for all the spectacular majesty of Daenerys’s arrival, I prefer Cersei’s. So delightfully sinister and intimate…

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    67. Sean C.:
      There’s been a longstanding rumour that Lena Headey and Jerome Flynn won’t work together.Until now I wasn’t sure if it was true or not, but Bronn wandering out of the Dragonpit scene for no reason would seem to suggest it is.

      Honestly, they need to grow the fuck up and be professional. I mean, obviously I don’t know the intimate details, but damn.

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    68. ACME:
      The Cleganebowl is cancelled and I love that the writers addressed it in the way they did ^^

      Also, for all the spectacular majesty of Daenerys’s arrival, I prefer Cersei’s. So delightfully sinister and intimate…

      Gregor is no longer the brother Sandor had. He’s a rather pathetic, if dangerous, hybrid machine. So it wouldn’t have that satisfaction as it may have should they have met previously. Just my opinion. 😊

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    69. Inga,
      Will try to keep you updated as I have live pause and cat climbing all over me so I have to stop it from time to time anyway.

      Starts off with people on their way to the dragonpit. Brienne tells Houndie Arya is at Winterfell and he smiles. Tyrion has reunion with Pod and Bronn. I’m getting FEELS already. I’ll keep an eye on what people are posting and fill in any obvious gaps. Watch this space 🤓

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    70. Qyburn’s fascination for the Wight’s severed hand is such a great moment. The writers get this character perfectly.

      Euron’s decision to go back home was bloody brilliant ! The man is mad as a chair but he is not and has never been idiotic.

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    71. ACME:
      Qyburn’s fascination for the Wight’s severed hand is such a great moment. The writers get this character perfectly.

      Euron’s decision to go back home was bloody brilliant ! The man is mad as a chair but he is not and has never been idiotic.

      “Screw this, I’m out.” LOL.

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    72. Wow. I can not wait. I have struggled all season to be unspoiled and it’s gonna pay off tonight! Got to get these kids to bed so we can watch. Another sleepless night for me, for sure. But so worth it. I love this show.

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    73. Tyrion calling Cersei the most murderous woman in the world is funny considering for whom he serves as Hand ^^

      Bloody hell, I had missed those scenes between Tyrion and Cersei, the most beautifully messed up relationship in whole of Westeros.

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    74. Inga,
      I get so tense watching it I have to stop it anyway, even when I know what’s coming! Sometimes I have to fast forward to the end of scene to see what happens, then go back and watch it normally.

      Gonna cover these just in case

      Lots of side eye at the pit: Brienne-Jaime; Cersei-Tyrion; Euron-Theon; Houndie tells Mountain you know what’s coming for you and leaves. Dany arrives on Drogon, Euron is impressed.

      I’ve realised I’ve read a detailed description of this episode very recently which people thought was fake but looks like the real deal. As a fellow spoiler fan you may have seen it already.

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    75. well, at 6pm (9 EST) just as we were sitting down to watch, our cable decided to go out. They have someone from Cox working on it but right now Im a little miffed. Im gonna stay off for a while until I can watch the show later. errrrrgggggf.

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    76. Theon was never Ned’s “son”; he was his hostage. The Stark patriarch had promised to kill Theon if Balon ever rebelled again. Regardless how well he treated the boy, that did not change the reality of the situation. Jon’s speech about his father/uncle was lovely and full of good intentions but, above all, it highlights how “whitewash” the memory of Ned Stark is among his relatives. An interesting reminder considering what Jon and his “siblings” will eventually discover about Ned’s real relationship to truth-telling…

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    77. Inga,

      Oh Inga you have to see this on a big proper screen! Low res, computer screens or, heaven forbid, phones just won’t do it justice. There’s lots of awesome acting going on, people’s faces are so important this week. Tense, happy, sad, it’s all there and that’s just the first 15 mins I LOVE IT! 😀

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    78. I know everyone will be super happy! I will miss him, but they did a pretty good job of messing with everyone this season, didn’t they? 😉 Goodbye, you glorious man. ❤ I shall wear my pin in your memory.

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    79. Littlefinger’s death was unfortunately “blah”. Not nearly personal or intimate enough.

      He was such a good villain with an extensive reach and he deserved more; as such, it felt grossly underwhelming. As a result, the feud between the Stark sisters was resolved way too quickly and with little to no explanation too which is also a bloody shame because the conflict was actually interesting.

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    80. Gosh I’m a Hypocrite!

      I was hating this episode Until that last 30mins!

      After 3 episodes of that “let’s kidnap a wight so we can proof to Cersei to join our cause’ and waiting to see if that plotpoint could Possibly make sense, I was ready to Bitch-slap this episode badly!

      But show me Rhaegar and Lyanna marrying,
      Littlefinger getting his come-uppance,
      and an Ice Dragon fucking melting the Wall…

      …and I’m in to loving this Big-Time!!! lol

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    81. The Winterfell plot was stupid to the bitter end. There’s not a hint of an explanation for when or why Sansa figured all this out — if she was the one who figured it out, at that, since it could have been Bran, for all we know. In particular, there was no narrative setup at all for revisiting things like Littlefinger’s dealings with Ned Stark.

      Oh, well, Littlefinger’s dead, and Aidan Gillen will never annoy me again on this show with his bad acting.

      Elsewhere, Tyrion seriously deserves a Least Valuable Player trophy for this season. His stupid stratagems have accomplished nothing but losing huge chunks of Dany’s forces, including one of her dragons, all to obtain a phony alliance that Cersei plans to use to betray them.

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    82. Ginevra,

      If Jaime didn’t drown, then it’s plot-possible that Tormund didn’t die.. but really.. the entire wall fell and an army of the dead marched through. There’s no logical way he survived.

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    83. ACME: Euron’s decision to go back home was bloody brilliant ! The man is mad as a chair but he is not and has never been idiotic.

      But wait….! The game continues…. 🙂

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    84. AMAZING finale. As someone who was against Littlefinger dying, I must say that it was my favorite part of the episode, they handled it beautifully. As also someone against boatsex, that scene is also one of the best the show has done, intercutting with Bran’s visions. The wall falling was epic, the Cersei/Jaime scene was fantastic and the Dragonpit sequence was very good.

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    85. LF’s fate is very underwhelming for the one that started all this conflict; the original villain in this story.

      I would have thought the whole wall would come down, not just a tiny piece but the ice dragon was cool.

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    86. Why would Rhaegar have two different children named Aegon? Isn’t that confusing? And the first Aegon was still alive when Jon was named.

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    87. trarecar:
      “I guess Tyrion really does love Daenerys.Watch out, Jon!”

      LOL Now that littlefinger is dead it seems Tyrion will be taking up position in all of his favorite lurking corners 🙂

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    88. That was absolutely the second best finale behind WOW. So many great character centric moments. And that finale scene…. no matter how braced I was it still wasn’t enough.

      I can’t even process it all right now.

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    89. Sean C.: Elsewhere, Tyrion seriously deserves a Least Valuable Player trophy for this season. His stupid stratagems have accomplished nothing but losing huge chunks of Dany’s forces, including one of her dragons, all to obtain a phony alliance that Cersei plans to use to betray them.

      The darker, more bitter Tyrion is back….!

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    90. Ah, sweet relief! I can go on the internet again without fear of seeing a leak. Oh, and the episode was freaking awesome!!!

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    91. In the very beginning with the hound and the mountain, what was that conversation with the latter knowing all along who will kill him. Is the hound referring to himself as the killer?
      I kinda thought he might be talking about Arya too though.
      Or, The Hound saw something in the flames way back when his brother shoved his face into the fire!!!

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    92. Ginevra,

      Many people don’t understand this right now. But Rhaegar truly believed the prophecy of Aegon being the name of the Ptwp and that hero would spring forth from his loins so to guarantee that, because he did not know which son it would end up being, he made sure to name them both Aegon. Simples.

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    93. I’ve only watched it once so far – Did Cersi wake up in a bed of blood having lost the baby and I missed it? Or was that prediction wrong?

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    94. Tormund didn’t die. If you look closely, you can see a few figures standing on the edge of the Wall which is still intact, and I’ll bet anything that Tormund and Beric are there.

      The spoiler about Cersei having a miscarriage was bogus.

      CGI wight dragon was a bit dodgy, but otherwise this was a great episode. The demise of LF was done really well, the best plot twist in a while! They have restored my faith.

      The way Bran kept saying that Jon “has to know” has got me wondering if maybe Jon will never find out. Could they decide not to tell him, when they see he’s in a relationship with Dany? Another reason could be to ensure that everyone stays united while the real threat is dealt with. And then of course the classic irony will be that Jon dies without ever finding out.

      Rhaegar looked a lot like Dany’s brother, though I still don’t understand the annulment thing.

      Poor Jorah, he tried so hard to put Jon in the friendzone. Weird lingering shot of Tyrion looking worried that Jon is coupling with Dany, that was quite foreboding. Emilia Clarke is smoking hot…..

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    95. Jack Bauer 24:
      Why didn’t Bran know about the marriage being annulled?

      I think Bran has to know to look for something in order to see it, he can’t just like…hop 20 years in the past on this day of that month of that minute of that second and see a wedding.

      But once he knew to look maybe?

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    96. The season started amazingly strong and there were some genuinely great moments all the way through but the last two episodes really proved that there was more than enough material for an eight, possibly even an ninth episode :

      – the relationship between Jon and Daenerys should have been given more and better screentime together before jumping into bed together ! Kit Harington and Emilia Clarke can carry a truly good confrontation and their characters’ respective backgrounds provide them with remarkable potential for passionate conflict and equally passionate “reconciliation” (wink wink). As is, I am forced to conclude that they decided they were in love based on two short semi-philosophical conversations and the fact that they are both shockingly handsome… It makes Jon and Daenerys look shallow as hell (not unlike Lyanna and Rhaegar);
      – Jon’s trip to Eastwatch and the gathering of his crew also needed more details;
      – where the hell is the Iron Bank ? Tycho should have had quite a few things to say after the Highgarden gold was brought to King’s Landing !
      – Littlefinger’s death… I am forever going to be disappointed by that one ! Lady Olenna, who never got much on an impact on the plot (outside of her following either Baelish’s or Varys’s instructions) and did not connect with any “main” character on any real personal level (aside from Margaery), got a better and more interesting death than the man who engineered both the Crown’s bankruptcy and the War of the Five Kings and who also mentored one of the Stark children ! Hells, even Walder “no agency withouth Tywin Lannister” Frey got a more meaningful and emotionally rewarding demise, for Petyr’s sake ^^ I’ll admit there was something genuinely gripping in seeing Littlefinger moved and lost to the point of tears and the love/betrayal thematic paradox was a truly good one but it deserved so much more screentime and an infinitely better setup, dammit !

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    97. Grayven Reyne:
      Ginevra,

      If Jaime didn’t drown, then it’s plot-possible that Tormund didn’t die.. but really.. the entire wall fell and an army of the dead marched through.There’s no logical way he survived.

      I dont think the entire wall fell. Just a big chunk of it.

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    98. So who else thought Jaime and Tyrion were going to die? And I was not thrilled about the Rhaegar Targaryen flashback, I thought it was Harry Lloyd playing him, was it?

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    99. Mildly disappointing. No surprises or twists, valonqar and CleganeBowl punted on until next season, King Jon treated as a big reveal except that it has already been revealed to all but the most dense show watchers, the wall falling in a very straight-forward and not completely sensible way (ice vs ice?), and Littlefinger’s inevitable demise being far more direct than I expected. I was really hoping for some multi-layered scheme here, and got nothing more than Sansa finally internalizing what she already long knew.

      Generally I’d say the same about the season as a whole – mildly disappointing. Visually and technically spectacular, of course, but I was really hoping for a Ned’s execution/Red Wedding/Hold-the-Door twist, and got nothing of the sort. Instead, everything ran right down the most predictable courses.

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    100. Bob Warren,

      “The way Bran kept saying that Jon “has to know” has got me wondering if maybe Jon will never find out.”

      For me, that was a call-back to the classic line of “you know nothing Jon Snow.”

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    101. Alfie Allen as Theon was amazing tonight. His work this season had been brilliant as always, but to night he was simply breathtakingly great.

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    102. Ginevra,

      yeah, that’s a bit weird. I mean rhaegar’s not there, but Lyanna still has to know his son’s name. Unless rhaegar just didn’t mind. Doubt it will be addressed, unfortunately. Even curiouser considering a certain plotline from the books that the show skipped over.

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    103. Ah, sweet relief! I can go on the internet again without fear of seeing a leak. Oh, and the episode was freaking awesome!!!

      Boojam:
      Fooee, no Ghost

      But Ghost is still at Winterfell waiting for Jon. Jon does not have to choose, as he told Theon — he can be Stark and Targaryen.

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    104. Ginevra,

      Once Tywin ordered Rhaegar’s children to be killed by the Mountain and that was completed…. Rhaegar still thought his child would fulfill the prophecy. So he used the name again for when Lyanna gave birth… he wanted a price again called Aegon

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    105. Ginevra:
      Why would Rhaegar have two different children named Aegon?Isn’t that confusing?And the first Aegon was still alive when Jon was named.

      I wonder if Tower of Joy and Jons birth took place after the sack of Kings Landing….I don’t know the timeline that well, but if Lyanna had heard about the sack and I’m sure Rhaegar must of brought up his whole Aegon prophecy. She could of just named Jon/Aegon knowing his brother was already…deceased. Dany was born after the sack wasn’t she?

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    106. Bob Warren,

      What’s the deal with ice dragon having holes in its wings? What happened since it was drug out of the lake?

      Probably nothing. Probably just their attempt to make it look dead. Hmmm

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    107. ACME,

      Dude what?
      Olenna killed Joffrey. Pretty big plot point.

      Dany and Jon have been together non-stop for a while now. They’ve been living on dragonstone and spent a lot of time on the boat. Plus 5 or 6 intimate conversations on screen.

      The gold from Highgarden went straight to the Iron Bank. That was what that entire conversation between Tycho and Cersei was about.

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    108. Inga,
      You may be utterly right. I am not a leak-reader so I am entirely in the dark. However, I would argue that Littlefinger was a great instigator of conflict between the sisters and much more could have been done with it than what we got. If the sisterly feud is reintroduced next season, I am afraid it will seem desperately rehashed. Been there, done that…

      Hodors Bastard: But wait….! The game continues….

      The plot does thicken, indeed 😉

      Though, it does not take away from Euron’s intelligence. The man is staying on water; he ain’t dumb ^^

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    109. Mary Tossell: Rhaegar still thought his child would fulfill the prophecy. So he used the name again for when Lyanna gave birth… he wanted a price again called Aegon

      Young Griff is going to be sooooo pissed!

      🙂

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    110. Chad:
      Mildly disappointing. No surprises or twists, valonqar and CleganeBowl punted on until next season, King Jon treated as a big reveal except that it has already been revealed to all but the most dense show watchers,

      I think you’d be surprised. I was recently watching S7 episodes with some friends who did not read the books, nor do they frequent GOT-related forums, and they had NO idea that Rhaegar was Jon’s father. It’s clear to fans who know what to look for, but for the more casual viewer it’s a huge reveal.

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    111. Long time lurker, first time posting. It occurred to me that when the Hound says to the Mountain…”You know who’s coming for you, you’ve always known” that it might mean that the Mountain saw a vision in the fire as a child about how he would die, panicked and out of fear tried to sacrifice his brother instead? The Hound now knows because of the vision he saw in the fire.

      Not only is this my first post, but it may also be my first tinfoil theory! Btw, love this site and reading all of your comments!

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    112. Epic. From one of the worst episodes last week to one of the best. Depth, emotion, intrigue. Loved almost every second.

      (Except for the Jon/Dany part…weirder and weirder to me every day. But obviously Jon’s going to freak out when he finds out the truth, break it off, but she’ll be preggers. Sigh. That’s a side drama I could have lived without.).

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    113. Red Viper:
      I’ve been listening to the soundtrack all afternoon … I’m so hyped I’m about to jump out the window!!

      I had Winds of Winter on repeat all afternoon. 🙂

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    114. Boojam,

      According to an article on Vanity Fair the actor playing Rhaegar was Wilf Scolding . They even comment on how he is a dead ringer for Harry Lloyd. I sure thought it was. I spent the whole time studing his face and didn’t even look at Lyanna!

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    115. Jack Bauer 24,

      i can’t tell if they were playing DouchebagFinger the whole time. But I’ve got to say…Sansa kicked ass tonight.

      – “Do you deny it!”
      – “Please I can exp….”
      – “Do you deny it!”

      Great scene with the sisters reciting their dad’s words.

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    116. Mary Tossell:
      Ginevra,

      Once Tywin ordered Rhaegar’s children to be killed by the Mountain and that was completed…. Rhaegar still thought his child would fulfill the prophecy. So he used the name again for when Lyanna gave birth… he wanted a price again called Aegon

      Except the other siblings were still alive when Jon was born. Ygritte’s explanation makes sense, but it is still silly.

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    117. Goodbye Felicia — uh Little Finger. And good riddance. Methinks Sansa has been putting the pieces together her little old self over the past seven episode, so good for her. I knew all that frogging around with the sisters Stark would have a beneficial payoff! Another entertaining surprise was Theon — it looks like he grew ’em back. (In another part of Westeros, so did Jamie. And Brienne connected with her girl power booster.) Also happy to see Sam actually did listen to Gilley after all, if only to connect the dots with Bran regarding Jon’s pedigree. Actually, Bran should have known that already, but …. BTW, has anyone told Sam he’s now the new Lord Tarley? Those were the nice surprises, the rest of the episode was just tons of fun watching what we were all speculating upon actually happen. Great cliffhanger, can’t wait for 2018.

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    118. Rex: Alfie Allen as Theon was amazing tonight. His work this season had been brilliant as always, but to night he was simply breathtakingly great.

      Completely agree.

      There were several moments where I was in awe of the acting. Last week felt so contrived and mechanical to me. This week connected on so many levels.

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    119. Crater: Absolutely they were!!!

      All you Sansa-haters and Arya-doubters can eat shit!

      Winter has come!

      i was a Sansa doubter. But not anymore! All hail the Lady of Winterfell!

      (Arya will always be my queen though)

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    120. Mawk,

      lol by the time Ned arrived in the Tower of Joy, KL was already sacked. You guys need to check your timelines. Ned goes to KL in place of Robert, both to take the surrender and save his sister. Jaime took care of the first, so and then he leaves for the ToJ, where Lyanna just gave birth. So by all means, she should know he (Jon) is the heir to the Throne, and what happened in KL.

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    121. Crater: Absolutely they were!!!

      All you Sansa-haters and Arya-doubters can eat shit!

      Winter has come!

      So they were arguing last week hoping LF was eavesdropping on them?

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    122. HereBeDragons:
      I was hating this episode Until that last 30mins!

      I’m the opposite because I loved all the King’s Landing stuff but I hated the rest. Littlefinger deserved a better ending than that poorly constructed Winterfell plot.

      Why exactly does a wight dragon breathe blue fire? Blue is a hotter flame than red. I know it’s a fantasy show but the dragons are as realistic as they can be. They don’t shoot magic fireballs. We’ve seen Drogon running out of fire to use when he comes to save Dany in Meereen. So why does an undead dragon, that doesn’t breathe, breathe magic fire? The dragon fire has always looked realistic but those blue flames just looked cheesy. Oh well. It is what it is.

      On the other hand, the scene between Theon and Jon was amazing. “You don’t have to choose,” advice that I am sure Jon will need to be hearing himself soon. I thought there was going to be a Theon drowning and coming back in his fight, but they didn’t go there, which was good.

      Cersei is the smartest stupid person in all the lands. Long may she reign!

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    123. Ok was Alfie Allen outstanding or was he outstanding? Loved the Theon/Jon scene which moved me to tears and the beach fight was great. That grin!!! Awesome.

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    124. Arya & Bran clearly got Sansa’s mind right. Stark Wolfpack is officially united & ready for the War for the Dawn. Watch out Night King. Starks are ready for you…

      That Jon/Theon scene was tremendous. Jon just brought Theon back from the brink. He’s no longer Reek & never will be again. He’s a Greyjoy & a Stark… Loved it.

      Question? What was up with Tyrion on the boat? He looked very disapproving & maybe even a little shady there. What was you guy’s take on him & his reaction in that scene?

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    125. What a ride!
      Jamie broke with Cersei, Jon (Aegon!) is the legitimate heir to the IT no ambiguity, Lyanna & Rhaegar were in love *RR was predicated on a lie or misconception*, Sansa & Arya were working together to take out Littlefinger and I am so here for that~finally that POS is dead How do you answer these charges Lord Baelish?, Jon + Dany; common we knew this was going to happen, Tyrion being jealous tho?? really?
      this doesn’t look good : /, Viserion is a wight, not the draconic equivalent of a WW, AND DOWN COMES THE WALL
      Hoo boy, the next however many months is going to be a long, cold wait.
      I shall endeavor to dream of Spring

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    126. The Dragon and the Wolf is by far …. easily the best episode of season 7

      I like the Dragon and Wolf just as much as I like The Winds of Winter.

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    127. Jack Bauer 24,

      Is that all you care about? How’d you feel about Theon’s character arc? The actual reveal of Jon’s parentage? Cersei and Jaime’s confrontation? You know aside from budgeting and CGI related things.

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    128. Mary Tossell:
      Ginevra,

      Once Tywin ordered Rhaegar’s children to be killed by the Mountain and that was completed…. Rhaegar still thought his child would fulfill the prophecy. So he used the name again for when Lyanna gave birth… he wanted a price again called Aegon

      I think this is just the showrunners combining characters again… There’s been no mention of the names of Rhaegar’s children in the show, so using Aegon for Jon may bring the show and the books back in sync.

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    129. Is it Christmas? Did I just get everything I wanted?!!
      Did Jaime really leave Cersei? FINALLY?!
      Is LF actually dead and did Sansa fully embrace the Stark side?
      Yep. Yeah that all happened.

      Still trying to take it all in…

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    130. We never find out what Tyrion and Cersei discussed in order for her to “change” her mind. I wonder if Tyrion knows of her plan to not send troops. Or if he’s finally choosing family, if he doesn’t have children himself the Lannister name would die (I’m assuming there are no more cousins left). Would Cersei being pregnant change Tyrions mind? Looking at Jon and Dany together knowing he will have to betray them at some point?

      Or he could just be jelly.

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    131. I’m going to assume Tormund and Beric lived. Not only because they’re too major to at least strongly hint that they fell, if not show it, but the last time we saw them they got past the falling part. I was thinking they’d run toward the sea though and that end fell. *shrug*

      Rhaegar did look like Harry, but then they probably wanted a resemblance and putting that hair on him would make it more so. Again… *shrug*

      I don’t know what to think of Viserion. I’d written a forum post on the topic a while back. I’m going to ignore my questioning of it due to the fantasy genre, but I do question it. If he’s simply a wight dragon I wouldn’t think he’d be able to shoot anything due to the organs not functioning. Seeing what capabilities it had I’d say the NK turned it into a White Dragon Walker… Then I’d have to believe he can turn a dead body into a WW as well and not just an animated dead wight…

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    132. I love Lena’s and Peter’s scenes together so much that I’m honestly hoping Tyrion switches allegiance and becomes Cersei’s hand 🙂

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    133. Aegon the Icedragon,

      Tyrion knew before Jon knew that Jon loves Daenerys and Tyrion is looking out for his Lannister family and Fire and Ice together will be a strong alliance… okay I’ll admit I don’t know what Tyrion is thinking.

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    134. RG:
      Is it Christmas? Did I just get everything I wanted?!!
      Did Jaime really leave Cersei? FINALLY?!
      Is LF actually dead and did Sansa fully embrace the Stark side?
      Yep. Yeah that all happened.

      Still trying to take it all in…

      I got the same gift as you and it’s glorious. And we even got a peek at Rhaegar.

      And Tyrion eyeing Dany’s bedroom knowing that Jon was in there…that was just a bit concerning. And Cersei was even more calculating than I imagined.

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    135. This episode did not disappoint 🙂 So glad Jamie left! Worried for him though. He’s all alone and winter is here.The boatsex was romantic and done well (Got so sick of seeing that word at spoiler city.) The interaction between Tyrion and Cercei was old school Thrones and I loved it. Night king and ice dragon and army that shit was cool and ominous!

      And Jon, dear sweet (former) King Jon I love ya and I know Cercei put you on the spot but….could you not have tried to brush it aside first? Felt bad for him when everyone made him realize his goof tho. He truly shows is a man of his word. He cannot lie.

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    136. Jack Bauer 24:
      Were Arya/Sansa playing LF the entire time?

      Lord knows…
      If so, it was terribly setup ! If their intention was to make Littlefinger believe they were feuding, then they should have argued in public, or at least in front of witnesses likely to report to Baelish and let him believe his plan was working. Instead, they only ever argued when no one was around so… Blah !

      Rex,
      Alfie Allen and Peter Dinklage did great this season, as per usual. They, along with Lena Headey, Conleth Hill and Aiden Gillen (as well as Michelle Fairley, when she was around… I miss Cat ^^) always elevate their scenes and characters, no matter what they are given to do. As it turns out, the writers decided to give Allen and Dinklage interesting things to do this year so there is plenty to enjoy ! ^^

      Theon’s tormented path to rebirth, so to speak, was a pleasure to witness and granted Alfie Allen enough space and time to remind everyone of how remarkable an actor he is.
      Tyrion’s conversation with Cersei was a highlight of this lackluster finale and so was his finale look at Daenerys’s door. His sister was right; the Mother of Dragons is his type of woman and, while not romantically interested in her (at least, I believe), he puts her on such a pedestal and expects so much from her that he is reluctant to accept her human nature, here embodied by her sentimentality and libido. Given that Daenerys still has two treasons to go, including one for love, Tyrion’s current emotional predicament should be a driving force next season.

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    137. Leuf,

      I would say the dragon is more of a white Walker dragon. It was created in the same process as a white Walker (night Walker touching it, as he did with the male babies).

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    138. Sean C.:
      Crater,

      Why would they have been playing Littlefinger the whole time?There was no point to doing so; they could have killed him at any point.

      To keep him in play, there at Winterfell, thinking he was winning… Keeping their enemy close, while they set him up for the fall.

      The couldn’t just cut his throat in his bed… They had to keep the Vale on their side, and little Lord Robyn from asking too many questions.

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    139. Woooooooooooooooow
      What a doozy
      Absolutely loved this episode
      Superb acting and visuals
      Winterfell scenes were some of my favourites

      Can’t wait to watch it again!!!

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    140. Jack Bauer 24,

      Re Tormund and Beric being possibly dead…..I don’t know!! That’s what it seemed like. OY!

      And what’s with Rhaegar looking exactly like Viserys? That’s going to extremely confuse the casual viewer.

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    141. Jack Bauer 24,

      Im guessing that they were NOT playing LF the whole time and didn’t know until Bran told them.. Bran can’t see everything all the time at once and that he maybe just finally figured it out himself and thus told his sisters and that was how they were able to finally come together.. but boy did they play him at the end….. so wished he had suffered a bit more but alas it matters not…. Valor Mughalis (sp)??

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    142. OH SHIT THAT WAS AMAZING

      Highlights for me:
      JAIME IS NOT DEAD AND IS RIDING NORTH IN NORTHERN STYLE LEATHER I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THESE FEELS. And he puts his fucking golden hand under cover. Jaime: “I swore a solemn vow.” YES! Now go find Brienne.

      Arya/Sansa/LF/Bran: Very awesome and satisfying! They played Littlefinger and they played me too. LOVED IT! Especially LF begging for his damn life. YES.

      QYBURN THE WIGHT FANBOY!!!!

      The Theon stuff was really moving. ;_;

      Loved the Convo with Hound and Brienne re: Arya, and Brienne telling Jaime off. UNF.

      Other thoughts:

      Did they REALLY have Dany and Jon fucking WHILE emphasizing that they are closely related?! Whelp, that is a boner killer…

      By the way I do not understand why the Mountain did not kill Jaime – are we meant to think the Mountain understood Cersei didn’t really mean it when she gave the order to kill him?

      Jon’s real name is Aegon? Huh? Rhaegar’s first son was named Aegon and would have been alive at the time Jon was born so what? Is this just a reference to book!Aegon?

      Tyrion really is in love with Dany… Poor Tyrion!

      Are Tormund and Beric dead?!

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    143. Crater: To keep him in play, there at Winterfell, thinking he was winning…Keeping their enemy close, while they set him up for the fall.

      The couldn’t just cut his throat in his bed…They had to keep the Vale on their side, and little Lord Robyn from asking too many questions.

      How did they set him up for a fall?

      If they were on to him the whole time, they could have accused him at literally any point in the story. The totality of their proof was that Bran said so.

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    144. “He loved her. And she loved him.”

      Absolute perfection. “The Dragon and the Wolf” was everything that I wanted from a Game of Thrones finale and more. One of my favorite episodes of the entire series, possibly even legitimate competition for “The Winds of Winter”. As time wore out, I kept thought “This is as great as it gets. It can’t possibly get even better.” And then it did! Over and over again!

      Special acclaim to Ramin Djawadi’s score. “Truth” and “Army of the Dead” are masterpieces. I’ve been listening to and loving them all weekend, but hearing them in their proper context, accompanying Jon and Dany’s love scene and the fall of the Wall, respectively, they became even more transcendent than they already were.

      I can’t wait to watch it again!

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    145. Mr Derp,

      Obviously I didn’t mean the entire wall across the breadth of Westeros.. but a much larger section than Eastwatch. People were getting hit a few feet away, then a much more massive section fell.

      THEN the army of the dead walked through to kill any stragglers.

      It’s game over, man. Unless the plot needs him, in which case who cares about logic.

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    146. Ginevra,

      Elia and her children were killed in KL. Ned arrives. Kicks Jamie off the Throne. A wounded Robert arrives. Tywin displays the bodies to Robert. Ned & Robert have a MAJOR falling out over the murders (never really spoke again until Greyjoy rebellion years later), Ned leaves & lifts the siege of Stannis at Storm’s End, then to the Tower of Joy. Plenty of time for Lyanna to have heard about the other children’s deaths & named Jon/Aegon to fulfill the prophecy.

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    147. I also thought LF’s death was perfectly executed. The way he went on his knees and started crying felt very natural for a character suddenly unable to use any of his abilities he’s been using for his whole life. They really showed how desperate a character can be after realizing that after all this years of being safe, everything he has ever done comes back to bite him in the ass at the moment he would have expected to be one of his many other victories. He knew he was dead and Aiden showed it to us beautifully.

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    148. Ten Bears:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      I was a bit confused by that. How could ZombieMountain grasp the nuances of a bluff? He/it follows commands.

      My take on this is that Cersei has a 2 part command with the Mountain. A “get ready” and a “do it.” That way she can leave herself and the victim a moment to manipulate or change the situation. But boy – tonight, twice the Mountain got the get ready order and for Cersei’s brothers who both said “go ahead.” Who knows why Cersei changed her mind. Maybe it was family or maybe the mere fact both brothers called her bluff.

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    149. QueenofThrones:
      OH SHIT THAT WAS AMAZING

      Highlights for me:
      JAIME IS NOT DEAD AND IS RIDING NORTH IN NORTHERN STYLE LEATHER I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THESE FEELS.And he puts his fucking golden hand under cover.Jaime: “I swore a solemn vow.” YES!Now go find Brienne.

      Arya/Sansa/LF/Bran: Very awesome and satisfying!They played Littlefinger and they played me too.LOVED IT!Especially LF begging for his damn life.YES.

      QYBURN THE WIGHT FANBOY!!!!

      The Theon stuff was really moving.;_;

      Other thoughts:

      Did they REALLY have Dany and Jon fucking WHILE emphasizing that they are closely related?! Whelp, that is a boner killer…

      By the way I do not understand why the Mountain did not kill Jaime – are we meant to think the Mountain understood Cersei didn’t really mean it when she gave the order to kill him?

      Jon’s real name is Aegon?Huh?Rhaegar’s first son was named Aegon and would have been alive at the time Jon was born so what?Is this just a reference to book!Aegon?

      Tyrion really is in love with Dany…Poor Tyrion!

      Are Tormund and Beric dead?!

      Really weird that the Mountain didn’t attack even though Cersei nodded at him.

      Also, what’s up with the Greyjoy going for a nutshot? They should know Theon was nuetered

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    150. ACME,

      Lackluster? Are you kidding? That was without question one of the best episodes of the series. Podeswa did a hell of a job.

      And no, Sansa and Arya weren’t playing Littlefinger the whole time. Sansa fully recognized what Littlefinger was doing when he played the “jump to the worst conclusion” game, wherein it became clear to Sansa that Littlefinger had only Arya’s demise in mind (and that Littlefinger likely planted the note). And Arya’s lesson of “answer a question with a convincing lie” fed into that final scene alone between Sansa and Littlefinger, while Arya giving Sansa the knife was a clear “you know who needs to die” moment, given that it was Littlefinger’s knife. It was a very complex and expert bit of writing. Really well done.

      And what EXTRAORDINARY acting from Gillen. He made me legitimately feel bad for him as he was about to be executed.

      This episode is a clear award-winner.

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    151. This episode was the longest in the series and it utilized every second in order to bring every looming conflict to a head. And that’s why it’s one of the special episodes to me. It didn’t waste time doing anything. Nothing seemed to be for naught.

      Theon’s character arc this season has been nothing short of incredible. Jaime’s relationship with Cersei is finally toxic enough for him to pull back from her clutches. Things that we’ve been wanting and praying for are coming to fruition. Infinitely satisfying. And although the Jon and Dany love affair will be polarizing to fans and people in the Thrones universe alike, I felt it was handled extremely well.

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    152. Mawk,

      Omg I remember there was talk about George calling Tyrion a “villain” at one point in the past. Not sure during what season or even if before show. What I do know is that he is said to be whitewashed in the show and that is quite obvious because we all think of him as a total good guy. Think about it those who are sullied, could the Tyrion you know from the pages turn around and betray Dany and Jon?

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    153. Onedon:
      Jack Bauer 24,
      Jack,did you enjoy the episode?
      I thought it was really good. The night king looked abit off all season,but that didn’t stop the enjoyment of it.

      Loved it. Thought the CGI with Viserion was awful though. The first time he swooped in looked horrible.

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    154. Jack Bauer 24: Were Arya/Sansa playing LF the entire time?

      I think yes, and no.

      I believe the tension between Sansa and Arya in the last two episodes was genuine. But Sansa is entirely aware of the games LF plays, as is Arya from her time with Tywin at Harrenhal. And when Bran gave Arya the knife, we had the first hint that the siblings were aware that LF was playing *some sort* of new game.

      LF didn’t know when to pull back and let things play out, and continued to egg Sansa on. But this time she was on the lookout for his manipulations. It stands to reason the siblings would confer to uncover the truth. Ultimately I think Littlefinger’s inability to keep his sticky hands out of stuff was his ultimate downfall.

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    155. Ginevra:

      Aaaaaargh… so is Tyrion foreshadowing the deaths or something bad for Dany/Jon’s union??? Uuuuuuugh… can one thing go RIGHT for Jon/Aegon??

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    156. It’s was good to see Grey Worm in the finale… 😀

      it would have ruined the season if he wasn’t. 😀

      I am surprised Daenerys didn’t have a few unsullied with her at the Dragon Pit.

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    157. stefan666,

      I agree with what you wrote, the LF “take down” was great. I especially liked that when Sansa was outing him on pitting sister against sister that she went back to Cat and Lysa! So glad Bran was there too. And Royce standing by Sansa like he should.
      I was patient with all the stuff that was happening between Arya and Sansa in the prior episodes and trusted it was for a reason and I felt like it paid off beautifully.

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    158. The best strategy for the Night King now would be to hit Kings Landing first before venturing North. Would grow his army with all those Southeners and they have no way of fighting against him. While in the North he will be met with strong resistance.

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    159. That felt like a mid-season episode. Except for Viserion with his new rider, bringing the Wall down. 😀 What will happen to Tormund and Beric???

      The end of the episode brought back the three families involved in this 8-season long “game”. The three Stark siblings back together, the remaining Targaryens together, and in love, but the three Lannisters apart, scattered in different directions.

      Overall, The Spoils of War is my favorite of this season.

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    160. Gigoran Monk,

      Gillen was great in his last scene. Littlefinger was a familiar face as he’s been there since day 1 and we liked trying to figure out what he had up his sleeve next. For that reason, I will miss him. Kind of not really lol. He had to go for the well being of our Starks. Plus REVENGE for Ned, finally! 🙂

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    161. Here are my scattered thoughts. Firstly, The Hound and Brienne meeting again and then talking about Arya made my fucking DAY! Loved their interaction. Cleganebowl was teased! I got so hyped! XD

      Theon then made me cry my eyes out when he was talking to Jon. Love Alfie Allen. So many emotions…

      Ah, I was so so happy they showed Rhaegar and Lyanna’s wedding… but then Jon and Aunt Dany banging made me yell at the screen. Bran needs an express raven right now!

      My last thought is this: you just KNOW Tormund survived that! At least I’m hoping. They didn’t show him dying and I’m really hoping he’ll pop up out of the ice next season. I need a rewatch tomorrow. I thought it was amazing. Finally Jaime leaves Cersei (Lena was incredible btw)… finally! I’m pretty satisfied with the episode.

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    162. Also, D&D evidently forgot that they cut Mirri implying that Dany would never have another child. That only happened in the book.

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    163. WELL THAT WAS ICONIC!!!!! wow..Jonerys sex scene!!! Viserion as a ice dragon!!!! Little Finger is finally dead!!! UHULL! I feel like this was easily one of the best finales the show had!!!!

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    164. Jack Bauer 24: Really weird that the Mountain didn’t attack even though Cersei nodded at him.

      Also, what’s up with the Greyjoy going for a nutshot? They should know Theon was nuetered

      Jesus, if you’re going to ask 50 questions on this board, the least you can do is read the answers.

      Jaime knew Cersei was bluffing and wouldn’t have the mountain kill him.

      And maybe its possible that that one guy didn’t know Theon got neutered?

      These answers take 3 seconds of practical thinking. Instead you are adding 50 comments to this board so that all of the more reasonable posts get lost in the shuffle.

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    165. firstone:
      It’s was good to see Grey Worm in the finale… 😀

      it would have ruined the season if he wasn’t. 😀

      I am surprised Daenerys didn’t have a few unsullied with her at the Dragon Pit.

      Yeah seemed he would bite the biscuit, but didn’t.
      Well the the costume department better be stuffed with warmer clothes for the Unsullied and the Dothraki.

      Yeah I wondered that too, the Unsullied seem favored as much as the Dothraki.
      She has them as escorts earlier in the season

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    166. Jack Bauer 24: Loved it. Thought the CGI with Viserion was awful though. The first time he swooped in looked horrible.

      I know firsthand that that scene was redone at the last minute…. so be a bit lenient… my sister is married to the head CGI man (DEAK FERRAND)… he was asked to delay his vaca to redo that scene at the last minute..

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    167. The devils at HBO better deliver the Targ baby they are promising.I have already picked the names.If you have to kill Jon at least let him hold his child first.Also play that Theon-Jon scene at my funeral.Best thing ever.Also Tyrion,dumb ass,Cersei would never agree to that in any world lol.She would always betray them.

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    168. Jack Bauer 24,

      You’ve mentioned the cgi enough. No, it wasn’t perfect but still very good considering the difficulty of the entire scene. Even the biggest budget films have wonky cgi at times. I think the blue flame was the main thing that made it odd.

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    169. So viserion is not the ice dragon (if such a thing exists) since that was fire breathe right? Which is why it was melting thise massive holes in the wall.

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    170. FWIW, I didn’t think the undead dragon was breathing ice, I thought he was breathing blue fire (which in certain conditions indicates an even hotter flame).

      I *was* surprised that the Wall fell purely from the fire/ice impact. All this talk about its magical properties (literally) fell by the wayside. I always believed the wall would fall at the end of this season but the dragon being the sole reason for its destruction didn’t connect with me.

      I still loved loved loved the episode.

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    171. This was really amazing. Loved every bit of it. I just wish they’d have rescued Yara already. Scared for her.

      Random question: do you guys think we’ll see Daario again before the show ends?

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    172. Night Knight,

      I think you are right about the Night King going straight for King’s landing.

      Both Bran and Dany had visions of the destroyed throne room in the Red Keep with snow coming down. Bran also had visions of a dragon flying over Kings landing.

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    173. Ice Dragon

      Tyrion, on Jon and Auntie:

      It’s dangerous, for everyone involved. I’m sure it’s good for both of them, in the moment, but you don’t even get the relief of how beautiful it could be or it should be. It’s – oh! – just,
      it’s not good!!! But it should be. But it’s not. It’s Game of Thrones.
      It has a long history of romance not ending well on this show.

      So Tyrion might be a bit disheartened because he had a wee crush, but I think he is mostly worried for especially his queen but also Jon Snow.

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    174. I thought for a brief moment that we were really going to get a major plot twist…that Cersei was going to be convinced and join the fight. I know, would have been totally out of character for her…which is why I thought it was going to be a huge twist to the ridiculous plan. Alas, Cersei went back to being Cersei.

      Loved this episode! Glad Jaime escaped Cersei s perma-smirk

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    175. This season’s finale was ok. Unfortunately, the irrationality of the previous episodes continues.

      Why would Daenerys, both of her dragons, her ally Jon Snow, and her entire council, including her Hand, show up in King’s Landing, especially when they know they are dealing with a crazy mass-murderer like Cersei and a psychopath like Euron who have giant dragon killing cross-bows and wild fire is still buried under the
      city? It was an incredibly stupid risk to take when it could have been accomplished with just Tyrion, or Davos, the Hound, the wight and some Dothraki? They would have had the same result without the risk.

      At Winterfell, while I enjoyed seeing Littlefinger die, there was no revelation as to how Sansa came to know all of Littlefinger’s betrayals. Obviously that indormation came from Bran, but I would have liked that explained.

      However, even after witnessing Littlefinger’s “trial,” I still don’t see any credible reason for the insane Sansa/Arya fighting that happened the past couple of episodes. Assuming Bran told Sansa about Littlefinger’s treacherous acts, Sansa could have executed Littlefinger at any time after Bran’s return without play-acting with Arya; and, if she and Arya weren’t play acting, then it makes no sense as to why the death of Littlefinger just healed their relationship.

      Viewers finally got what so many were hoping for, a sex scene between Daenerys and Jon. Unfortunately, the reunion between Pod and Tyrion had more passion. I’m sure Dany will get pregnant too. Yawn.

      I agree with many who have commented that the CGI on zombie Viserion didn’t look very real, and the Wall coming down (partially) was not as exciting as I thought it would be, but it advances the story to its conclusion, so good. I’m just glad the Night King and his zombie army didn’t use those chains from last week to scale the Wall.

      My favorite scenes were between Cersei and Tyrion ( Lena Headey is brilliant), Jaime finally growing a spine and leaving the wicked witch of Westeros, Theon growing a pair and marshaling the Ironborn to rescue Yara, and seeing Rhaegar and Lyanna getting married, although I don’t understand why Lyanna named the baby, Aegon, when Rhaegar already had a son named Aegon. I also liked that they began shooting King’s Landing with the blue filter they use for scenes in the North.

      Can’t wait for Season 8.

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    176. Aryamad: Finally Jaime leaves Cersei (Lena was incredible btw)… finally! I’m pretty satisfied with the episode.

      Seriously. Lena was awesome. She’s had several astounding scenes this season (like the one with Ellaria in the dungeon). I kind of thought they’d done all they could with “complex Cercei” and this season would be one-note “evil Cercei”. But even in evil mode Lena manages to convey Cercei’s fears and insecurities and vanities and vulnerability and vengeance. Masterful.

      She deserves an Emmy…too bad this season doesn’t qualify.

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    177. Ice Dragon:
      Im guessing that they were NOT playing LF the whole time and didn’t know until Bran told them.. Bran can’t see everything all the time at once and that he maybe just finally figured it out himself and thus told his sisters and that was how they were able to finally come together.

      I would agree. Sansa lets LF know that she knew he was trying to divide her from Arya once she considered his worst motives for doing what he was doing. Then the jig was up. She went off to Bran and that was that.

      When you listen to the charges Sansa makes, she knew or suspected much of it – but there is no way she could have known about LF swearing to serve than betraying Ned. The only way she could have learned that was speaking to her brother – who sat at her side throughout.

      She knew that because of Bran; Bran confirms it to us as he explains what his visions saw LF do.

      Sansa may have been sucked in for a time, but LF cannot hide from Bran once the 3ER is motivated to look. And ultimately, Bran was motivated. That was all it took.

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    178. Rillion:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Cause, she never gave the order. The Mountain drew his sword in anticipation of the order.

      She did. Jaime said “give the order then” and Cersei nodded at the Mountain and he pulled the sword out. Jaime then just walked by.

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    179. The episode was well executed, but, just like Arya’s end of season 6, it showed that a whole lot of earlier footage was just a waste of time.

      There was no real plot development in winterfell all season. None whatsoever. The scene we got today could have been part of episode 4: Everything in between was badly sold and meant nothing. We could cut the scenes and IMO it would make the series better. There were so many other things that could have been done with that time.

      Still, now we know that ticket preorders are open for Cleganebowl 2019.

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    180. stefan666:
      I also thought LF’s death was perfectly executed. The way he went on his knees and started crying felt very natural for a character suddenly unable to use any of his abilities he’s been using for his whole life. They really showed how desperate a character can be after realizing that after all this years of being safe, everything he has ever done comes back to bite him in the ass at the moment he would have expected to be one of his many other victories. He knew he was dead and Aiden showed it to us beautifully.

      He finally got his comeuppance….. some will be pissed he didn’t suffer longer or harder but for me it was efficient….. perfect ending for him … begging and getting no mercy

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    181. Jon Aegom Stark Targaryen!!!!

      Loved the finale!!!! Struck the right tone in yet another excellent season!

      The closing scenes were epic! They will stay with me for a long time!

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    182. Steel_Wind: I would agree. Sansa lets LF know that she knew he was trying to divide her from Arya once she considered his worst motives for doing what he was doing. Then the jig was up. She went off to Bran and that was that.

      When you listen to the charges Sansa makes, she knew or suspected much of it – but there is no way she could have known about LF swearing to serve than betraying Ned.

      She knew that because of Bran and Bran confirms it to us as he explains what his visions saw LF do.

      Sansa may have been sucked in for a time, but LF cannot hide from Bran once the 3ER is motivated to look. And ultimately, Bran was motivated. That was all it took.

      YES… THIS

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    183. Ice Dragon: Aaaaaargh… so is Tyrion foreshadowing the deaths or something bad for Dany/Jon’s union??? Uuuuuuugh… can one thing go RIGHT for Jon/Aegon??

      And then this video also addresses a problem in the dragons being together.

      https://youtu.be/E6XNRVKP-es?t=5m36s

      David: Jon’s not Jon Sand. He’s actually, as Bran finally overhears from Lyanna, Aegon Targaryen. And that means he’s the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. That changes everything.

      Dan: I would say the challenge with this sequence was finding a way to present information that at least a good portion of the audience already had in a way that was dramatic and exciting and also had a new element to it. Part of the answer is in the montage, inter-cut nature of it. It was about making it clear that this was almost like an information bomb that Jon was heading towards. The only way to really emphasize that was to tie those two worlds together, and to have Bran actually narrating these facts over the footage of Jon and of Dany.
      Just as we’re seeing these two people together, we’re hearing the information that will inevitably, if not tear them apart, at least cause real problems in their relationship. And. She’s. His. Aunt.

      Dave: It complicates everything on a political level, on a personal level,
      and it just makes everything that could have been so neat and kind of perfect for Jon and Dany, and it really muddies the waters.

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    184. Quite a mixed bag, this season finale was… All in all, I found it lacking, though there were some genuinely great moment.

      The great moments :
      – anything involving the Hound because he is awesome ! From his decision to poke the zombie in the box to his confrontation with his equally undead brother, from his calling Tyrion a c*nt to his little smile at the end of his conversation with Brienne, it was all fantastic ^^
      – the scene between Tyrion and Cersei. I had been waiting for their reunion since the end of season 4 and it did not disappoint one bit; the emotional “humph” was there and so was the ever-shifting power dynamics between them. These siblings love each other in spite of everything, including themselves, hence Tyrion’s willingness to sacrifice himself to his sister’s whim and her incapacity to order his death. Brilliant all around !
      – Brienne’s character development. She is starting to recognise that an oath is neither a blank check nor a prison, that conflicting imperatives and priorities can matter more that honour and that blind allegiance is a form of cowardice. A remarkable and salutary shift in Brienne’s perspective
      – the ice dragon… Shlocky yet awesome ! I love it !
      – the revelation of Jon and Daenerys’s competing claims in relation to the Iron Throne during their sex scene. It was narratively relevant and set up the upcoming conflict nicely. Sexposition at its finest 😛
      – Euron getting the f*ck out of there. It made me laugh ^^
      – the dilemma surrounding Jon’s decision to tell the truth about his allegiance to Daenerys. It was both intelligently introduced and maturely argued. Both sides had convincing arguments and admitted flaws. Jon defended his compulsive truthtelling with aplomb and pertinence, I liked it an awful lot. It also, once again, reminded us how wrong Jon is about his “father” and indicated how impactful the revelation of Ned’s lying habits will be for Jon next season.

      The not-so-great moments :
      – the “romantic” wedding of Lyanna and Rhaegar… I might have regurgitated a bit in my mouth ^^ A married man with children, who left his wife and said children in the care of his psychotic father, marrying a young woman he had barely met yet already impregnated is not Disney material ! The writers better not try to sell us this bad-idea-of-a-relationship as a great love story; I expect more from their cynicism
      – Jaime leaving Cersei. Now, do not get me wrong, I am glad he did leave and I thought the reference to trust and the worth of one’s word after too many lies (“I do not believe you”) was very clever and appropriate. However, as far as I can tell, Cersei is still supposed to be pregnant so Jaime’s decision to abandon her, ergo their child, goes against his most interesting development so far, namely his eager acceptance of and enthusiasm about fatherhood. Paternity, in Jaime’s worldview, is a symbol of responsibility, something which he spent most of his life running away from. Myrcella and Tommen’s deaths were supposed to have changed that but now… I am not certain.
      – Littlefinger’s death was mostly anti-climactic, which it should not have been. While it was very interesting to see him so utterly lost and human (to the point of tears), that was about all the scene had to offer, along with Sansa’s ultimate acknowledgment that love and betrayal can walk hand in hand and that, in his own twisted way, Littlefinger probably did truly love her. The season-long setup was at best confusing, at worst dumb, and the payoff was expedited way too quickly. One does not simply kill Littlefinger, as a famous Sean Bean character would say ^^ There is so much more to take from the man than his life ! How triumphant would it have been had the Starks killed him after manipulating him into granting them access to his fortune and his network of informants ? Now perhaps, next season we will see “Littlefinger” (read, Arya with Baelish’s face) use all his power and contacts, possibly even double-crossing Cersei, in the Direwolves’ interests but how much more rewarding would it be were the real Petyr to be manipulated into doing so and then killed by the Starks ?

      Overall, it was fine but not great. I think this finale really made me realise this season would have greatly benefited from an (or two) extra episode.

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    185. ygritte,

      I doubt it.

      At the point that interview was done, aCoK wasn’t even out. Tyrion was still very firmly Team Lannister at that time (he even fights against Robb’s army at the Green Fork) so, yes, from the Stark perspective he is a villain.

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    186. Ginevra,

      No they weren’t. Ned left King’s Landing in anger with Robert b/c he wanted Tywin to be punished for the death of Rhaegar’s children (and Jaime to be punished for killing Aerys). Then he went to the Tower of Joy and found Lyanna as Jon had just been born. Jon was born well after Aegon and Rhaenys died.

      Also, the annulment really annoys me. Tons of Targaryans have had multiple wives, there is no need to annul the marriage to Elia for Jon to be legitimate. This better not happen in the books! I’m watching you George!

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    187. Jack Bauer 24:
      Were Arya/Sansa playing LF the entire time?

      Yes! But it’s not absolutely clear when it began. My feeling is in Ep 5 when they have their first argument where it can be overheard and Arya tails LF and finds the scroll.

      Ten Bears,

      Great scene with the sisters reciting their dad’s words.

      Yes, only that scene on the battlements seemed spontaneous and allowed them to act naturally. Everything else was planned. Arya strode into the Hall fully armed and confident. Maisie has shown such an array of emotions this season it leaves me dizzy. And Sophie did well too. The dragon pit was a bit of a letdown for me, but the Wight scene and the CleganeBro confrontation weren’t. I’m almost as happy about Jaime leaving as about anything else. Oh, and that finally two acquaintances caught up on Arya. And how nice Houndie and Brienne see eye-to-eye. And I-Viserion: WOW!

      Ginevra,
      Jack Bauer 24,

      That was when Sansa told Littlefinger that Arya was a Faceless Man.

      Glad you brought that up, Ginevra. Now we know why the sisters had that encounter with the Faces. So LF would know how she learned about it. And Jack, they assumed LF could eavesdrop, but with the door closed he couldn’t see the dagger handover. Arya did it totally silently, probably as a signal to Sansa to finally spring their trap.

      Some fans are disappointed Littlefinger didn’t suffer more or go out like a badass, etc. He was an entertaining character and the prime mover of all GoT evil masterminds, so their gripe is understandable. Whether the sisters intended it or not, they humiliated him like Ned was humiliated by the false confession. Before the very Lords he had manipulated, Lord Know-it-All was reduced to a pitiful, sniveling piece of shit who tried to talk himself out of his fate and then went down on his knees to beg for his life. So unlike the dignity with which Ned died. Aye, and LF died by his own dagger, which he had stolen back from Ned’s desk. Tell Westeros: the North remembers, and Winter came for House Baelish.

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    188. My predictions for the last season:

      1. Theon will kill Euron and free his sister. They will end up fighting in the great war near the end.

      2. Cersei is going to die. There is no way she can live out the series. She has to die at the hands of Tyrion or Jamie, and both are heading north. Which means at some point the Night’s King has to force them south….

      3. The North will eventually be lost. How far south the arm of the dead gets will be interesting. I can see them getting as far as Kings Landing…. Or perhaps to Dorne. Never know.

      4. Some major twist is going to happen for the last season. Something with Bran or the Night’s King (or perhaps they are one and the same. lol.)

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    189. Benioff and Weiss didn’t explain the WF plot at all in the behind the scenes video. Some people say they were playing LF the whole time and others are saying they weren’t

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    190. Direcat:
      DireWolfHeart,

      I didn’t take Tyrion as being jealous of Jon and Dany. I thought he was just worried and thinking of the complications.

      In the cast commentary video above, Peter says it is just a bad idea for them to be romantically involved, too many complications, and “romances don’t end well” in GOT.

      I think Tyrion has a spot in his heart for Dany but right now he is thinking about how much needs to get done and how many different groups need to work to together and Jon already complicated things in the Dragon Pit and now he could be doing it again.

      But Jon needs to impregnate Dany so the Targaryens can continue and that would take care of the successor problem Tryion was talking to Dany about, so maybe Tryion will feel differently later.

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    191. Ice Dragon:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      ” Bran can’t see everything all the time at once and that he maybe just finally figured it out himself and thus told his sisters and that was how they were able to finally come together.. but boy did they play him at the end….. so wished he had suffered a bit more but alas it matters not…. Valor Mughalis (sp)??”

      “All over in an instant. Where’s the punishment in that?”

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    192. The Bastard:
      My predictions for the last season:

      1. Theon will kill Euron and free his sister.They will end up fighting in the great war near the end.

      2. Cersei is going to die.There is no way she can live out the series.She has to die at the hands of Tyrion or Jamie, and both are heading north.Which means at some point the Night’s King has to force them south….

      3. The North will eventually be lost.How far south the arm of the dead gets will be interesting.I can see them getting as far as Kings Landing…. Or perhaps to Dorne.Never know.

      4. Some major twist is going to happen for the last season.Something with Bran or the Night’s King (or perhaps they are one and the same. lol.)

      There’s 6 episodes left. NO way they have time for a Theon sub plot. Plus Theon has a few men and Euron will have the entire Golden Company and his Greyjoy fleet.

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    193. Jared,

      ABSOLUTELY AGREE. The entire flashback with Lyanna and Rhaegal and Then Dany and Jon was absolut PERFECTION. The soundtrack also..wow! A MASTERPIECE

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    194. I’m still bored to tears by Dany and Jon, but the rest of the episode was fantastic.

      Between my brother and I, I’m not sure which of us hit a higher note of delight when LF finally got his freaking Winterfell Necktie. After it ended, I told him, very seriously, “My life is now a better and happier place because a fictional character is dead.”

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    195. Ryan: Jesus, if you’re going to ask 50 questions on this board, the least you can do is read the answers.

      Jaime knew Cersei was bluffing and wouldn’t have the mountain kill him.

      And maybe its possible that that one guy didn’t know Theon got neutered?

      These answers take 3 seconds of practical thinking. Instead you are adding 50 comments to this board so that all of the more reasonable posts get lost in the shuffle.

      Those Greyjoy were with Yara they should know about Theon

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    196. onefromaway: In the cast commentary video above, Peter says it is just a bad idea for them to be romantically involved, too many complications, and “romances don’t end well” in GOT.

      I think Tyrion has a spot in his heart for Dany but right now he is thinking about how much needs to get done and how many different groups need to work to together and Jon already complicated things in the Dragon Pit and now he could be doing it again.

      But Jon needs to impregnate Dany so the Targaryens can continue and that would take care of the successor problem Tryion was talking to Dany about, so maybe Tryion will feel differently later.

      I agree he has a soft spot for her and loves her as a queen and a hope for a better world, just not romantically.
      He sees all the problems ahead with their relationship. Even more so once Jons parentage us known.

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    197. Jack Bauer 24:
      So Tyrion takes another loss. He believed Cersei lol? How many botches is that for him this season?

      i think Tyrion batted 0.000 this season
      Did any of his “clever plans” succeed? I think not

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    198. Ice Dragon,

      there must some reason why they had the NK used chains to pull Viserion out of the water; and not resurrect him like he does with wights. Why did night king touched him, it would explain the speed and blue flames. White walkers have increased strength etc

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    199. KG:
      I’m still bored to tears by Dany and Jon, but the rest of the episode was fantastic.

      Between my brother and I, I’m not sure which of us hit a higher note of delight when LF finally got his freaking Winterfell Necktie.After it ended, I told him, very seriously, “My life is now a better and happier place because a fictional character is dead.”

      😂😂

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    200. ACME: – Jaime leaving Cersei. Now, do not get me wrong, I am glad he did leave and I thought the reference to trust and the worth of one’s word after too many lies (“I do not believe you”) was very clever and appropriate. However, as far as I can tell, Cersei is still supposed to be pregnant so Jaime’s decision to abandon her, ergo their child, goes against his most interesting development so far, namely his eager acceptance of and enthusiasm about fatherhood. Paternity, in Jaime’s worldview, is a symbol of responsibility, something which he spent most of his life running away from. Myrcella and Tommen’s deaths were supposed to have changed that but now… I am not certain.

      Jaime’s been on the wrong side of honorable most of his life, after he stabbed the Mad King. But he *wanted* to be honorable. In the show, we’ve seen his inner conflict and bravado and shame time and time again – in his interactions with Brienne, his chat with the Blackfish, his dinner with Walder Frey, when people would mock him for standing outside Robert Baratheon’s chambers standing guard, even when someone long ago had a book out talking about how there wasn’t much written about Jaime.

      When we saw him standing on the map, I got the impression he was finally getting to do what he always wanted. Fight evil. Be honorable. He was in his element. Then Cercei pulled the rug out from under him. I think for the very first time, Jaime realized he could be the man he always wanted to be, or he’d be the man Olenna had described.

      I loved it.

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    201. Jack Bauer 24:
      Benioff and Weiss didn’t explain the WF plot at all in the behind the scenes video. Some people say they were playing LF the whole time and others are saying they weren’t

      If they were playing the whole time, then Arya and Sansa must have been filming those moments alone so LF could watch later. I’m thinking they might have run out of film. And so my thought is that they only conspired this episode.

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    202. Ginevra: And then this video also addresses a problem in the dragons being together.

      https://youtu.be/E6XNRVKP-es?t=5m36s

      Well I would say “take our way of thinking ” out of the equation and based on their way of thinking “its not so weird” they are just being truthful to themselves… as it was stated earlier in the series “we love who we love” … my guess is the new moray’s of the new world will be their biggest downfall…. traditions within the family are to be with their siblings or “Aunts”…. brothers and sisters… but the new “enlightened” way of thinking is this is wrong … so my heart is not feeling so good for Dany/Jon’s union…. I am praying Im wrong but am guessing this is the bittersweet finale GRRM is hinting at… ;(

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    203. lol Jack Bauer 24 is obviously trolling you guys and you are falling for it.

      Anyway great episode. So sad it’s over for another year

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    204. I can’t believe LF is the only one who thought about it.They just need to get married.That would solve everything.I mean they will get there but seriously what’s taking them so long??lol

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    205. Ginevra: It qualifies for next year, I believe.Right?If not the full series category, then the miniseries, surely.

      Yes, it will be entered for nominations in the 2018 Emmy Awards. It qualifies as a Drama since it exceeds the 6 episode minimum.

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    206. I enjoyed the Brienne/Hound reunion. I was pleasantly surprised that it was so friendly considering their last encounter was a brutal fight that left him for dead, and I loved how they were just talking and laughing together about how much of a badass Arya is lol. I’m hoping to see him reunite with Arya next season. That will definitely be interesting. A reunion between him and Sansa would be interesting too.

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    207. I loved this finale. Surprisingly short on action (though w/ Podeswa directing, that was a blessing), but not on emotions. The last 40 minutes or so were GoT gold. Thought the Dragonpit stuff was…OK. They salvaged it with good execution and small moments like the Hound smiling about Arya. The wight charging Cersei was genuinely well done, and that went a long way to selling it. My big complaint was it just went on too long. By my watch, over a half hour. And the payoff to the Sansa/Arya storyline was terrific. Hard to believe it could be 2 years before the show comes back.

      I’m wondering though if the cutaway from the Tyrion/Cersei scene left the door open that he betrayed Daenarys because he found out about Cerise’s child. I’m not sold his stalker-isa peering outside Dany’s door was meant to be romantic. The scene last week w/them arguing about succession seems to hang over Tyrion’s motivation here.

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    208. Ginevra: It qualifies for next year, I believe. Right? If not the full series category, then the miniseries, surely.

      I don’t know. The rules are slightly complicated between the dates and “hanging episode” stipulations. But I hope so. She deserves recognition.

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    209. YASSSS JAIME!!!

      YASSS SANSA!! And Arya, too!

      OK, now gotta watch it a second time. The hairs on my arms are all standing up, I’m so thrilled!

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    210. Joe,
      Olenna killed Joffrey by following Littlefinger’s instructions. Without his material support and planning, she never could have done it therefore her agency was extremely limited. As such, her impact on the overall story was virtually non-existent compared with Littlefinger’s.

      Gigoran Monk,
      I may have expresssed myself poorly but I am not saying that Littlefinger’s death was not emotional ! There most certainly was something to it : the manner in which this controlled and controlling man started crying like an abandoned child, a lost boy when he realised none of his skills would save him, the desperation with which he looked at Sansa (whom he did, in his own pathological way “loved”) when she refused to talk to him in private and did not grant him her own affection in the form of forgiveness, etc. There was a real and truly interesting emotional weight to the scene.
      However, said weight was solely brought by Aidan Gillen’s acting for the over-arching narrative context was lackluster : the lack of a meaningful setup for the “twist” to land successfully, the absence of consideration for the specificity of Baelish’s position and advantages…

      The same scene, with the same acting on Aidan Gillen’s part, would have, in my highly subjective opinion, worked much better had it been the culmination of a season-long extensive manipulation. As it was, it felt, to me, rushed and almost incidental.

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    211. Jack Bauer 24:
      Benioff and Weiss didn’t explain the WF plot at all in the behind the scenes video. Some people say they were playing LF the whole time and others are saying they weren’t

      I think it is left open to each viewer to decide. Unless B&W, the directors, or actors come out and say when the game started, it is left to interpretation.

      I am wondering now if Bran, Sansa, and Arya talked a lot more about LF and what to do about him when the three of them were first together in the Godswood. So, that would mean the plan was set almost from the moment Arya returned. But…I’m not sure, I’ll watch the season again and see.

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    212. Watched it twice now. It’s 5.10am here, way past bedtime, so just some quick thoughts:

      YAAAAASSSSSS!!!!!! LF’s chickens came home to roost big time. He has always been one of the biggest villains in the story for me and I have been waiting a looooooong time for this! Loved Yohn Royce’s “I think not” when ordered by LF to help him.

      Loved the reunions, esp Brienne and Houndie. I never wanted them to fight each other to begin with.

      Jaime FINALLY sees sense.

      Acting in the dragon pit was awesome all round and loved Qyburn’s reaction to the wight’s hand.

      Wilf Scolding (Ragger) really looks like Harry Lloyd in profile, although having what looked to me like exactly the same hair certainly helped.

      Loving Euron’s brand of crazy. Someone called him “mad as a chair” which I really like too.

      Definitely fave episode of this series 😀

      edit: forgot Sam was really funny too.

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    213. We’ll all dig into it more later but want to bring it up now. Cersei’s big plan to buy the mercenaries… the Golden Company. “20,000 men and some elephants too,” or something like that she said. With that we’re just back to where we were before this season really, minus one dragon. Does Cersei just think she can keep buying marshmallows to roast and win?
      ——–
      Rewatching now…

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    214. People need to stop calling each other names and attacking one another. Your posts will be deleted when you cross a line.

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    215. The WF payoff would have meant more to me if the drama there didn’t come off as manufactured. Nothing about it felt natural. Other than that I loved every minute of LF on his knees begging for his life. Just wish it went down in a more coherent fashion.

      Heck, you can be cryptic like M. Night with Bruce Willis’s character in 6th Sense. There was no “aha!” moment with what went down in WF this season though. Tis a shame. The acting was top notch. The writing? Yeesh.

      SO GLAD JAIME IS FINALLY BEING BOOK JAIME FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!

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    216. There is no way the Golden Company would take that contract.

      They are aware of how bad ass the Dothraki are, and probably wouldn’t want to fight against all the Khals united.

      They know how skilled the Unsullied are and would weigh that accordingly.

      Along with all of that they have to face dragons as well.

      Yeah, they are telling Cersei that they have other obligations and can’t help her at this time.

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    217. Ginevra: And then this video also addresses a problem in the dragons being together.

      https://youtu.be/E6XNRVKP-es?t=5m36s

      D&D openly come out and say that there will be complications and problems between Jon and Dany because of his parentage…. This sounds soo similar to them teasing the Starkbowl that never happened at the end of last season, that I now believe that there will be little to no problems between them lol. I suppose it’s only a matter of time before someone suggests marriage and everything gets resolved.

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    218. Ten Bears: i think Tyrion batted0.000 this season
      Did any of his “clever plans” succeed? I think not

      I would argue that Tyrion did well in the long game.

      He succeeded in saving his brother (can’t wait until they reunite – might be awhile though since I think Jaime will go to Winterfell), and preventing Dragons from melting very many Westerosi. And, as far as he knows, he succeeded in Uniting all of Westeros together – but of course Cersei is a liar. No one knows that but Jaime and Euron, however.

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    219. Grayven Reyne:
      Ginevra,

      If Jaime didn’t drown, then it’s plot-possible that Tormund didn’t die.. but really.. the entire wall fell and an army of the dead marched through.There’s no logical way he survived.

      The entire wall didn’t fall. Just Eastwatch. They could have run in the direction of Castle Black atop the wall toward the west. But yeah doubtful.

      I do expect both Beric and Torment to make for Winterfell with what remains of the Night’s Watch since there is no longer a working wall to defend.

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    220. This was a fantastic episode. Just…wow. My personal acting awards go to Lena, Nicolaj, Aidan, Rory, Alfie, and Pilou.

      The Dragonpit scene (and buildup to, and afterwards) was my favourite. All of those reunions. All of those first meetings. That first look between Tyrion and Cersei…the talk between Sandor and Brienne (!!!), Sandor and Gregor, Tyrion and Podrick and Bronn, EVERYONE. That wight scene. Damn. Just damn.

      Aidan killed it (haha) – sad to see him go, and I feel LF’s cleverness was wasted this year. Stalled. Ah well. I knew it was coming.

      Disappointments – Sansa. Sorry, you all know I’ve disliked her until this year, but I thought Sophie was quite good for the most part this year. I like the Sansa/Arya/Bran coming together as a family, but…..dammit does Sansa have to turn into a block of monotone wood when she’s being ‘serious’? I don’t know if this is Sansa, or Sophie, but it drives me crazy. I don’t buy the ‘smart and justified’, she just looks and sounds damn bored or annoyed. Maisie was somewhat better (and I love the ‘clean’ kill – no theatricality), but I’ve just been disappointed in how things have gone with them both the past 2 episodes. I was really hoping to go ‘yesssssssss!’ this episode, but it didn’t quite come together as I hoped. Oh well.

      Bran and Sam I DID enjoy. Bran had some emotionally, urgency. I really liked their scene.

      Dany/Jon – thumbs up
      Rhagegar/Lyanna – surprisingly I didn’t care for it. Dang! Rhaegar’s wig was actually distracting.

      The Wall – falling was awesome. NO on Viserion, not great, not awful. Tormund and Beric are alive IMO.

      Gods, I loved the Dragonpit!!!!

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    221. The Bastard:
      2. Cersei is going to die.There is no way she can live out the series.She has to die at the hands of Tyrion or Jamie, and both are heading north.Which means at some point the Night’s King has to force them south….

      She is going to die, but not at the hands of Tyrion or Jaime.

      The show has not kept the prophecy of the Valonqar. There is a reason for that, and imo, that’s because we went off script when Cersei survived her trial by battle – when Tommen change the law removing the trial by battle and Cersei then blowing up the Sept of Baelor to survive.

      That wasn’t George’s plan, imo. Not even close. He has been setting up so-called “Clegane Bowl throughout AFFC. He makes it quite clear through Ladt Taena that Cersei must choose a champion from within the Kingsguard. She will, by having Robert Strong appointed a Kingsguard (aka, The Mountain reanimated). What she doesn’t foresee is that the Church will choose Sandor Clegane as champion in the service of the Seven. And Sandor beats the Mountain. The little brother wins. That’s how Cersei loses her trial and then her head. And that’s the Valonqar the prophecy in the books refers to.

      Cersei is not going to survive The Winds of Winter in the novels.

      But the show isn’t the books. They love Lena Heady as a villain, as an actress, and for all the possibilities she brings the stripped down version of the overly complicated plot that is the show. D&D don’t have a complicated Dornish subplot and a false Dragon to act as enemies to Daenerys’ conquest in the endgame. And they don’t have Euron with a Dragon Horn and all kinds of Highgarden sacking crazy Ironborn either, sailing up the river.

      “The Sept of Baelor?” Killing a swath of characters in one seasons ending scene in TWoW? Won’t happen; not in the books.

      Face it: as far as the novels are concerned, we’ve been “off script” for a long time people. That doesn’t make the show bad and the books better; however, it does make them different.

      I repeat: there is no valonqar prophecy in the show. Given that the show-runners had Magy the Frog deliver part of that propohecty, they could have given the rest. They didn’t. That has to mean something.

      So is Cersei dying? Yes. But who’s going to kill her? Jaime? No.

      Because after the Hound Kills the Mountain, there will be only one left on her list. And she’ll do it to avert a disastrous attack on Jon and Dany’s rear as they are desperately holding back the Undead tide.

      Arya is going to kill Cersei; that will prevent the rest of the southern army from attacking Daenerys at the last moment – and avert disaster.

      The Many Faced God, the only God there is, is the god of both Life AND Death. And the forces of the Undead have no part to play in that intended cycle. The Many Faced God will ensure the forces of the Undead are defeated. Arya has been his instrument all along.

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    222. Drogon seemed uptight and sadder this episode, and rightfully so. Rhaegal wasn’t even speaking and couldn’t get away fast enough. Ghost left for Bear Island long ago with Lyanna, sensing something wicked this way comes.

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    223. QueenofThrones: I would argue that Tyrion did well in the long game.

      He succeeded in saving his brother (can’t wait until they reunite – might be awhile though since I think Jaime will go to Winterfell), and preventing Dragons from melting very many Westerosi.And, as far as he knows, he succeeded in Uniting all of Westeros together – but of course Cersei is a liar.No one knows that but Jaime and Euron, however.

      Why would he fall for Cersei’s lies?

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    224. Princessmara,

      Yay for Theon! Alfie was so good in the scene tonight. He’s always good, but I really took notice again of him tonight. I hope he gets to return the favor and becomes a hero to his sister.

      And when Jon told Theon he doesn’t have to choose, he’s both Greyjoy and Stark that totally foreshadows how Jon will feel about himself when his true roots get revealed.

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    225. thisgirlhasnoname: When we saw him standing on the map, I got the impression he was finally getting to do what he always wanted. Fight evil. Be honorable. He was in his element. Then Cercei pulled the rug out from under him.

      Yes! I was like: Jaime is SO HAPPY right now!! He gets to be a hero finally!

      Jaime: Yay! Cersei has changed and will be good queen Cersei the wise and we can live happily every after! Yayyyy!

      Cersei: lol no. You’re so dumb. Like wow – I should just kill you probably.

      Jaime: …my precious dream… ;_;

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    226. Ginevra,

      Oh dang, that’s a very good point!
      Sean C.,

      no, they have to make sure the Vale are loyal to them first. If they don’t win over at leasts Yon Jon Royce before then they lose the whole Vale army.

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    227. Ginevra: If they were playing the whole time, then Arya and Sansa must have been filming those moments alone so LF could watch later.I’m thinking they might have run out of film.And so my thought is that they only conspired this episode.

      LF loooves his peepholes and I assume at least some of the arguments they staged, guessing that LF has spies. But, some of it may have been legit tension. I don’t see a problem with either possibility.

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    228. Steel_Wind:
      The show has not kept the prophecy of the Valonqar.There is a reason for that, and imo, that’s because we went off script when Cersei survived her trial by battle – by instead have Tommen change the law and then blowing up the Sept of Baelor.

      That wasn’t George’s plan, imo. He was planning throughout to have Cersei choose champion from among the Kingsguard (Robert Strong, aka, The Mountain reanimated) and have him fight Sandor Clegane, now in service to the Seven. And Sandor beats the Mountain. The little brother wins. And that’s the Valonqar the prophecy in the books refers to.

      That is not happening in the books. The Hound is nowhere near King’s Landing, and there’s no reason he would be there in service to the High Sparrow. That goes against everything the Elder Brother and the Quiet Isle are about.

      The valonqar was omitted almost certainly because D&D thought it was too spoilery, as the obvious answer is the correct one.

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    229. If they are going to have aerial battles next year with dragon rider vs dragon rider, they will really need to improve the effects.

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    230. Loved the finale!!

      I have tons of questions and am getting ready to start reading the comments but quick question:

      I’ve noticed Tyrion’s growing love for Dany all season. His fleeting glances, longing and sad looks. I.e.: when he noticed Dany’s love for Jon when he left Dragonstone. He looked sad and resigned. Then his absolute desperation when he begged her not to go beyond the wall. He was madly in love with her and was genuinely sick that she might die.

      And who could miss that look in the hallway during boat sex. Sadness? Resignation?

      Which leads me to my question. Is he going to betray her?

      Cersei left the pit and told everyone to basically bugger off. Tyrion has his private conversation with her, then they return to the Dragonpit and Cersei promises to join the fight.

      But then she tells Jamie they are not going.

      Why did she bother to return to the dragonpit, if the result is the same, she’s not sending her armies north.

      Did she hatch some kind of plan with Tyrion in that room? Why on earth did she let him walk out of there?

      Because I’m wondering if that look in the hallway was resignation and sadness that Dany doesn’t love him, or guilt because he is going to betray her.

      Tyrion has always boasted of his loyalty to his family no matter what.

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    231. Jack Bauer 24: Who were the fleet with him? Random Greyjoys who never heard Balon’s son was maimed?

      They’d know he was maimed but they might not know to what extent. Yara certainly wasn’t going to spread that detail around. They could know but all they needed to know was that he was weak. That would have been enough for him to dismiss them. And the guy he killed on the beach was the only one who had to be surprised really.

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    232. Steel_Wind: nd Sandor beats the Mountain. The little brother wins. That’s how Cersei loses her trial and then her head. And that’s the Valonqar the prophecy in the books refers to.

      I have never bought The Hound = Valonqar. The prophecy says “when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar will wrap his hands around your neck“. The Hound defeating the mountain does not qualify, sorry.

      Whoever kills Cersei in the books will kill her in the show. I still don’t know who but someone will literally wrap their hands around her neck.

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    233. Ginevra: When the Others come to Winterfell, I fully expect the dead Kings of the North to rise from the crypts and fight the Others under the command of a living Stark.But that’s some fun for next season.

      Ohhhhh I forgot about that bit of info….. lordy this is going to be a LONG COLD WINTER…. yikes.

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    234. WOW! That really exceeded expectations!
      The meeting was masterfully executed although I thought the repartee was better in Beyond the Wall. The face to face with the Clegane brothers was priceless. Who is coming for the Mountain?
      The resolution of the the Littlefinger situation gave me cause to cheer. I’d been hoping for that since season 1. You go Arya girl!
      Is Ser Jaime off to command the Lannister armies incognito? Or is he just off to volunteer to fight the AotD.
      Wasn’t that Viserys that they used to depict Rhaegal? If that’s the case then it’s the cheesiest thing they’ve ever done. Maybe it was just the hair….
      Tormund? Beric? Tormund has advanced northern survival skills and Beric well he must have been resurrected five times for a reason. I hope they can make it to Winterfell.
      Do you think when Jon’s parentage is revealed Daenarys will think it a Stark ruse to claim the throne? I don’t think they are like that. Two Targs are better than one and if they DO make a baby that resolves the succession.

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    235. Shock Me: They’d know he was maimed but they might not know to what extent. Yara certainly wasn’t going to spread that detail around. They could know but all they needed to know was that he was weak. [B] That would have been enough for him to dismiss them. [/b] And the guy he killed on the beach was the only one who had to be surprised really.

      “That would have been enough for him to dismiss them.”
      What do you mean?

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