Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 4 Preview: The Spoils of War

Daenerys Drogon

“All my allies are gone”

The official synopsis:

 Daenerys fights back. Jaime faces an unexpected situation. Arya comes home.

“The Spoils of War” is directed by Matt Shakman.

Check out the official photos here!

Geoffery: Ooh, isn’t young Drogon getting big? I’m looking forward to what’s sure to be a tense reunion between Theon and Jon, as well as some spending some quality time with Jaime and Bronn.

Reminder: no leaked episode spoilers in this post. Leak discussion is only permitted in the Quarantine forumleak-discussing posts outside of it will be deleted. Thank you!

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    1. I have a feeling this one is going to be epic! A pissed off Daenerys isn’t what anyone would want to be on the other side of!

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    2. I’m resisting the urge to look up the leak. Ages ago I would have done it in a heartbeat but lately I like not knowing right away. Maybe it’s because the series is coming to a close and I want to feel like it is lasting longer. Really looking forward to this episode. What will smug Dany do now that she’s been knocked down a peg? She better not get those dragons killed. Also curious to see if there’s a Littlefinger and Arya confrontation at WF…

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    3. Aryamad:
      I’m resisting the urge to look up the leak. Ages ago I would have done it in a heartbeat but lately I like not knowing right away. Maybe it’s because the series is coming to a close and I want to feel like it is lasting longer. Really looking forward to this episode. What will smug Dany do now that she’s been knocked down a peg? She better not get those dragons killed. Also curious to see if there’s a Littlefinger and Arya confrontation at WF…

      I have ALMOST convinced myself I am going spoiler free for season 8..

      (this will be much easier if we dont get shots of our smexy KiTN filming on location ok paparazzi??????)

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    4. Daenerys fights back.

      In Stormborn, the QoT tells us that clever men had been telling her what to do her whole life, and she outlived them all by ignoring all their advice. And then she dies in the very next episode, of course. She also deftly left out the part that Margaery died by doing exactly what a clever old gran told her to do.

      Nevertheless, I was certain that after Tyrion’s fumble in The Queen’s Justice, Dany would be ready to take the QoT’s poor advice and be the dragon.

      Jaime faces an unexpected situation.

      Jaime faces the dragon. Fire and blood, bitches. Fire and blood.

      Arya comes home.

      Yay, yay, yay! I am hoping we’ll get to see some family dynamic, but I have absolutely no idea how these interactions will go.

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    5. STAY AWAY FROM YOUTUBE! I was just looking at some reaction videos from last week’s episode and I accidently saw a spoiler for the ending of the next episode.

      AAaarghhh……….

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    6. Just as a matter of curiosity, will we ever get to see Ghost in this entire season?

      I know the writer would like us to forget the bloody dog exists, but it won’t wash.

      All they need is one scene where he’s mentioned or seen.

      For God sake, they could say, “Since Jon returned to Winterfell, Ghost hasn’t been seen.” We know the animal tends to do its own thing, especially when his master is off on some mission somewhere.

      They can’t just write him out completely. At some point, they’re going to have to accept that we’ll need a season where we get dragons and dire wolves.

      When was the last time we actually saw Ghost? Episode 2 of season 6 when he was protecting Jon’s corpse?

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    7. I am waiting till Sunday to watch this one. And rewatch twice more immediately. 😀 My boy Drogon looks spectacular! His mother looks tiny riding him. I am reminded of early Season 2 on the balcony, when he was so tiny. I am incredibly hyped!

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    8. tiny direwolf:
      What’s the word on Matt Shakman? Is he a GOT veteran?

      No, first timer. This episode and the next one were supposed to be directed by David Nutter but he had to drop out for medical reasons and Shakman replaced him. According to Wikipedia Shakman has directed a lot of TV shows, and apparently he was a child actor.

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    9. Jack Bauer 24,

      The huge battles are in fact supposed to take place in episode 4 and 6. The fact that we even got moderately sized battles earlier in the season is a treat. We usually don’t even get two large scaled fights either in a regular sized season.

      Is your primary concern for this season the budget and fights? That’s….. odd.

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    10. Red Viper,

      Thanks for the heads up! YouTube is the worst. One poster spoiled the Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for me on a video that had absolutely nothing to do with Guardians of the Galaxy. Anyway, sorry that happened to you.

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    11. Jack Bauer 24,

      Jacko,

      Come on bud….has this season really been that much of a disappointment for you? I ask without any rancor or sarcasm….I really want to know your opinion. I too was and am disappointed in the abbreviated seasons….I’ll take as many GOT episodes/seasons as we can get.

      But, I have been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the episodes so far. I give you that there hasn’t been a “standout” one so far…but you know that’s coming down the pike….

      Episodes and seasons aside, I think the narrative, the story, has been overall solid. You disagree?

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    12. Chuck:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Jacko,

      Come on bud….has this season really been that much of a disappointment for you? I ask without any rancor or sarcasm….I really want to know your opinion. I too was and am disappointed in the abbreviated seasons….I’ll take as many GOT episodes/seasons as we can get.

      But, I have been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the episodes so far. I give you that there hasn’t been a “standout” one so far…but you know that’s coming down the pike….

      Episodes and seasons aside, I think the narrative, the story, has been overall solid. You disagree?

      I don’t disagree. This is my favorite show of all time and I have no problems with the story. I’m even a fan of Dorne. I’m just waiting to be blown away. 7 episodes instead of 10, so I’m waiting to see that increased budget flex. Haven’t seen it yet.

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    13. selena,

      It’s super hard to resist isn’t it? haha! I’ve managed to avoid any of the “script leak” stuff. Mild spoilers I’m ok with but I’m starting to see the appeal of not knowing evvverything. 🙂

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    14. So 23-24 minutes into this episode the season is half over already. That’s a sad thought. Such a long wait and it’s over in a blink. 🙁

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    15. Clob,

      Yes I am so not looking forward to the end of this season, in like a flash (no pun intended)… but cant wait to see how this season ends though…. ARRHHGG THE AGONY!!!

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    16. I think I just figured out the point of that weird Littlefinger speech in the previous episode, and I think it might be tangentially connected to Olenna’s final speech in regards to her downfall being a lack of imagination?

      I think he might be predicting his own death by not foreseeing a particular scenario. Maybe it has something to do with Bran’s return? Maybe Arya too, since she was at the meeting between him and Tywin?

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    17. Catspaw Assassin:
      Yes, Drogon has gotten very big, but oy vey that beer belly.

      lol! It looks like he has bloat, time to call the vet! TBH, I don’t know what a dragon is really suppose to look like, this may be it, but the distended abdomen just throws me out of my suspended disbelief every time I see that shot! I hope it means he is well fed and ready to fly long distances with Dany.

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    18. Fancy word for a sellsword,

      That actually sounds very plausible. People wonder why he’s being callous but it’s very simple. The North is a completely different playing ground than the South. He doesn’t have his network of allies from Kings Landing to assist him. He’s essentially a lone wolf (pun intended).

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    19. onefromaway: I hope it means he is well fed and ready to fly long distances with Dany.

      I would think that D, R & V go through a small ranch of cattle/sheep per day (maybe 20-30/day for all three). Just think of the economics of maintaining the dietary needs of these dragons! It’s enough to make the iron bank shiver. Of course, maybe they feast on the corpses of the dead on the battlefield too…but no one wants to think about that.

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    20. Hodors Bastard: I would quite enjoy seeing Big D score a whale or a kraken!

      I was really hoping we would see that as Daenerus’ fleet was arriving. For the cool factor, a callback to the scene when they were small, and also as a visual of how they ate on the trip over. 🙂

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    21. Hodors Bastard: I would think that D, R & V go through a small ranch of cattle/sheep per day (maybe 20-30/day for all three). Just think of the economics of maintaining the dietary needs of these dragons! It’s enough to make the iron bank shiver. Of course, maybe they feast on the corpses of the dead on the battlefield too…but no one wants to think about that.

      A new position for Dany’s small council – Master of Dragon food! But you are right, the cost of keeping the 3 of them fed might require a loan from the IB!

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    22. Edward,

      I have been under the assumption that Littlefinger is the “lone wolf” mentioned in the trailer dialogue, but they superimposed it over footage of Jon as an intentional misdirection. Now that the pack is coming back together, Sansa has a new support network around her, and his attempts to make himself indispensable to her has failed.

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    23. Speaking of the dragons… Something I’d really like to see conveyed this season is their intelligence. As Tyrion said, they’re supposedly extremely smart. We’ve seen a couple of minor instances; when Tyrion was unchaining them and when Drogon offered his wing for Daenerys to mount. I’d like to see more to show that they’re listening and doing what Daenerys wants them to do, other that simply “dracarys.”

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    24. Edward,

      I think we will find out soon. This episode might be too soon, but expect it to happen before the season finale.

      Enjoy 😉

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    25. Fancy word for a sellsword,

      If it does happen that Sansa detains him for his crimes it would be nice to see him overly confident in his safety behind the Vale army. I’m of course thinking of Ned in the throne room believing the guard was with him before they turned on him and Littlefinger held the blade to his neck. I’m pretty sure Sansa can get Royce behind her fairly easy.

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    26. Clob,

      Yeah. Good point with Royce. They seem to be playing up his presence this season. I’m sure it’s for a reason.

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    27. Joey:
      Need the next 3 episode titles and descriptions ASAP

      Why? What’s so important about getting those ASAP?

      Jack Bauer 24: Should be soon. At least for episode 5. It airs in 8 days

      So you’ve changed your tune from a few weeks ago then? You were convinced there would be no episode titles for S7. It got to the point that even the mods who run this group were getting pissed off with your endless stream of ridiculous posts mentioning this!

      So you can’t even wait like most of us on WotW for the official HBO airing of S4 on Sunday/Monday night and watched leaked episode! No, I didn’t read the comments only that Jack Bauer 24 features prominently in the Quarantine section on the forum regarding Ep4 leaks – Probably Ep5, 6 and 7 also.

      I don’t know why you even bother posting to ‘Comments’ when a new topic is started. You’re forever fucking whinging on about some aspect of the show. I didn’t like this, I didn’t like that, only 7 episodes this year, the budget is too low etc, etc.

      Its all fiction you know? There is no Westeros, no Jon Snow or Daenerys Targaryen. For FS, get a life and stop acting like a prize moron 🙁

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    28. I’ve heard a lot of people complaining about the short battle scenes this season. Perhaps the battles at those locations isn’t quite over????? I don’t know, I’m going to wait for Sunday to find out!

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    29. Chuck,

      Take what ‘Jack Bauer 24’ says with a pinch of salt. He’s already seen episode 4 and all the other bad shit that’s leaked out regarding S7 🙁

      Its easy to pass comments (pretending to be none the wiser) knowing what will happen. Far better to watch the show when it officially airs and then draw your own conclusions.

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    30. Black Raven:
      Chuck,

      Take what ‘Jack Bauer 24’ says with a pinch of salt. He’s already seen episode 4and all the other bad shit that’s leaked out regarding S7 🙁

      Its easy to pass comments (pretending to be none the wiser) knowing what will happen. Far better to watch the show when it officially airs and then draw your own conclusions.

      I have not seen the episode. It’s clear as day the budget was cut watching the first 3 episodes. I comment in the Quarantine thread because I wanted to know a couple specifics without being totally spoiled. So no, I don’t know everything that happens the rest of the season and I have not seen episode 4.

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    31. Jack Bauer 24: It’s clear as day the budget was cut watching the first 3 episodes.

      Ancient astronaut theorists say no.

      They’ve never ‘spread the budget’ for a season evenly between all episodes. There have always been talky episodes and shortened or limited action scenes in early season episodes. Watching the first few episodes last season you could have said the same thing. They choose what is necessary to show. The Lannister army easily obliterating the golden roses of House Tyrell wasn’t necessary to show. They showed the battle at Casterly Rock… It was limited because it was that easy with the small force defending.

      Wait for the season to play out, please. Until then I don’t need to see you repeat the claim several times that HBO cut their budget. They did not and it’s absurd to say they have. GoT is their flagship that is pouring money on them. So much so that they were pleading for more and are now planning another series.

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    32. Jack Bauer 24: I have not seen the episode. It’s clear as day the budget was cut watching the first 3 episodes. I comment in the Quarantine thread because I wanted to know a couple specifics without being totally spoiled. So no, I don’t know everything that happens the rest of the season and I have not seen episode 4.

      Are you sure about that? This comment appears to come from you as I interpret the way the forum is laid out –

      You found an HD copy? The only one I found was a low res version and it has a time stamp on the bottom for the entire episode.

      If so that’s Ep4 that’s leaked out from India! I can’t believe you found it then decided not to view it… The temptation would be too great 🙂

      If not, I do see you have asked others who have definitely seen the leaked video for information from it and who have freely told you what happens. That’s just the same as if you had watch it yourself.

      In which case when your watch the official HBO airing on Sunday, nothing will come as a surprise or a ‘wow’ moment which for me and many other fans is what is what the whole GoT experience is about.

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    33. Ginevra,

      She also did what Littlefinger told her to do when she poisoned Joffrey lol. And did what Varys told her when they were planning to marry Sansa to Loras and when she helped bring Dany to Westeros lmao.

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    34. Anyone ever wondered where they’ve shipped Robin off to? I mean, there’s the Vale army just sorta chillin’ up North and their lord hasn’t even been mentioned in gods know how long.

      I mean I get that, technically, Littlefinger is the one managing thing right now but Arryn is still the key to power so it would make sense to at least acknowledge his existence.

      (Not to mention Robin would be the perfect chance for Sansa to show off her other set of acquired skills, slowly snatching him (i.e. real power) from under Littlefinger’s control. Such a concrete, effective way of showing she’s surpassed her master, it baffles me they’d pass up on it.)

      It’s this dismissive attitude to the political landscape of Westeros that’s been grating me for a good two seasons. Same with the brushed off power vacuum in the Stormlands.

      Would the creators just have me “assume” things? Sloppy writing; I could just as easily assume the rest of the story then.

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    35. Black Raven,

      But they were surprised and wowed today. What does it matter if that happens now or at some ungodly hour Sky Atlantic would require you to experience it first time?

      It just comes across as a bit upset that other people won’t watch the episode when you’re watching it.

      Just enjoy it in your own time and let others enjoy it in theirs.

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    36. Yeah Royce hates LF. Remember he threatened Royces life. When all the pieces fall into place from Bran/Arya/Hound, and he possibly hears about Lysa from Sansa, he’ll hold the guy down while someone cuts his head off.

      Thing is, Sansa can’t even hide her revulsion for him anymore. Just do it already 😬

      Fancy word for a sellsword:
      Clob,

      Yeah. Good point with Royce. They seem to be playing up his presence this season. I’m sure it’s for a reason.

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    37. Black Raven: Why? What’s so important about getting those ASAP?

      So you’ve changed your tune from a few weeks ago then?You were convinced there would be no episode titles for S7.It got to the point that even the mods who run this group were getting pissed off with your endless stream of ridiculous posts mentioning this!

      So you can’t even wait like most of us on WotW for the official HBO airing of S4 on Sunday/Monday night and watched leaked episode!No, I didn’t read the comments only that Jack Bauer 24 features prominently in the Quarantinesection on the forum regarding Ep4 leaks –Probably Ep5, 6 and 7 also.

      I don’t know why you even bother posting to ‘Comments’ when a new topic is started.You’re forever fucking whinging on about some aspect of the show. I didn’t like this, I didn’t like that, only 7 episodes this year, the budget is too low etc, etc.

      Its all fiction you know?There is no Westeros, no Jon Snow or Daenerys Targaryen. For FS, get a life and stop acting like a prize moron

      I don’t even know you, or those other two people you mentioned, and you’re still ruining the thread with your whining.

      You know what they say: you must be fun at parties.

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    38. And no, the budget isn’t cut at all. Most seasons show 1 big battle, and skim over the others. The big budget scenes are coming later this season.

      Omitting Ghost however is just weird. We say this almost every season, and they still don’t give a shit.

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    39. Joey:
      Need the next 3 episode titles and descriptions ASAP

      Also usually know the writers of the next three. Supposedly Dave Hill wrote one of them.

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    40. Violator:
      Black Raven,

      But they were surprised and wowed today. What does it matter if that happens now or at some ungodly hour Sky Atlantic would require you to experience it first time?

      It just comes across as a bit upset that other people won’t watch the episode when you’re watching it.

      Just enjoy it in your own time and let others enjoy it in theirs.

      ‘Black Raven’ was pointing out that ‘Jack Bauer 24’ has been all over the spoiler forum but still comes into the article threads pretending to be unspoiled. And then he mentioned his opinion that fans watching and reacting to the episode at the same time is part of the fun. He’s allowed to think that. You can climb down off your high horse.

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    41. Black Raven,

      Thank you for calling ‘Jack Bauer 24’ out! Glad to see someone else is fed up with him constantly trolling the comment sections. Before the season it was about episode titles. Now it’s about episode running times and the budget and whatever else random negative (and usually off-topic) crap he can think of. I try to skip over his nonsense, but it’s difficult to avoid it completely in this format.

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    42. A lot of times I don’t know the true import of the various episodes until the final events. And then I go back and re watch them and am blown away by how good they are.

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    43. BRYAN RAY BAKER,

      Why do we need long battle scenes? The season is short enough already. The length of the Battle of the Bastards was necessary that was what I’d call a tradition Battle that is fought with swords, bows and arrows, cavalry and infantryman.
      From what I read about the battles of Aegon the Conqueror once he used his dragon Balerion then the battle would have been quickly over.

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    44. Some others here have pointed out something is building up with Littlefinger’s storyline.

      His line in the last episode doesn’t bother me like some. He is trying to make himself seem useful to Sansa (his version of wooing) while simultaneously undermining her relationship with Jon. He might also be trying to seem threatenning as well, because if he operates as if everyone is an enemy then she is as well. He wants to marry her and doesn’t care if that happens because she respects his brains or is scared of him, for herself or for someone else.

      In season 1 Ned threatened him, grabbing his neck. He paid Ned back by betraying him. In season 2 Cersei threatened him. At that point he began scheming against Cersei with the Tyrells. He was likely IMO involved in the Red Wedding in a way that is not yet completely clear.

      This season we saw Jon grab him by the neck in a direct callback to Ned in season 1, after which Littlefinger exited the crypts and paused to adjust his neck between the two beheaded direwolf sculptures (very clever show, very clever). So eith Jon is going to suffer some Littlefinger betrayal to pay back for the “slight” or Litttlefinger is about to see his past actions against Ned and Robb catch up with him. No doubt the show will leave us unsure which version will prevail until the last possible minute.

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    45. Ten Bears:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      I’m remembering all of the grumbling in S5 about the supposed mediocrity of the episodes…and then the world was blown away by “Hardhome.”

      I like E8 The Dance of Dragons also , all in all I didn’t find mediocrity in S5 , unless you are always looking for heavy artillery , which I only want in measure.

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    46. Kosten,

      You wrote:
      “Would the creators just have me “assume” things? Sloppy writing; I could just as easily assume the rest of the story then.”
      ——–
      ——-
      “Sloppy writing”, huh? I can’t wait until your elegantly written version is published ! Please let us know when it will be ready.

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    47. Boojam,

      Oh, I didn’t say I found S5 to be mediocre before Hardhome. I just remember a lot of the commentary, esp on the heels of Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.

      From my perspective, the worst GoT episode is still better than 99% of anything else on TV.

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    48. Kosten,

      This is not the books.
      This is a TV show with the biggest cast on TV, and the biggest scope of storytelling ever attempted on this medium.
      Yes, somethings you have to assume… Because they have no significance to the plot, other than mindless bookkeeping.

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    49. TFT,

      I too would love to see Ghost and Jon together or at least wandering around WF keeping a weather eye on everyone whilst Jon is away so my question is I read on here all the time that it is very expensive to include Ghost , or any direwolf, can someone tell me why, I am interested to know.

      And talking of dragons I always wonder about them when they need to poo, I wouldn’t like to be underneath lol

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    50. Fancy word for a sellsword,

      Yeah he literally describes the exact situation Bran is in currently. I’m sure Bran now knows he was the provider of the knife for the assassin…? Unless Bran knows something about Littlefinger’s fate or purpose that he decides to protect that information? Lots of questions i guess, you can’t hide anything from Bran.

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    51. Ten Bears,

      Season 5 has been so maligned by critics and fans alike… And yet on my recent rewatch I was (once again) reminded how good it was. Almost every storyline simply clicks. And yes, I don’t care for the SansaGate or StannisGate. Actually, both those plots were done remarkably well for what they set out to accomplish. I admit I miss book Stannis, but the show version had a haunted and tragic send-off I can’t in good faith complain about.

      Dorne excepted — and that storyline also had a perfect conclusion — everything else was well put together, masterfully crafted, and contagious as all hell. Much, much better than given credit for.

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    52. Is anyone else worried about Arya being back in Winterfell? I’m hoping at least one of her sibling reunions goes well, but I can’t help shake the feeling that it’s not going to be a happy homecoming.

      Will Littlefinger recognize her at Harrenhal in season two? He didn’t seem to recognize her as Arya Stark back then, but maybe he’ll put the pieces together now? Will she recognize him? I can’t remember the extent of her knowledge of him all those seasons ago.

      Either way, I’m excited for some new directing blood. Matt Shakman should be a fun addition. I only know him from It’s Always Sunny, interesting to see how he’ll direct Thrones. Maybe some lighter moments?

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    53. Mr Fixit,

      People are so eager to throw around the term “bad writing”. It’s almost laughable what people think is sloppy writing and what’s objectively terrible writing.

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    54. Mr Fixit,

      Little new to me that people had , or some people , had problems with S5.
      I thought it was S2.
      S2 had some awkward moments deal with Qarth , and Emilia needs responds well to an actors-director, which seemed lacking for her except for the first two and last episode of S2.
      Other wise we got Blackwater , which was great, and my favorite character interactions
      Arya and Jaqen and the cleverly written Arya and Tywin. The Arya-Tywin was a cleaver re-rigger of the book, which would of had us watching Arya scrubbing stone stairs for hours on end!!

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    55. Edward,

      lol, this much maligned season broke the records for the most emmys in a single year
      Not to mention featuring some of the greatest moments in TV history like the Walk of Atonement and Hardhome.

      GOT has the worst fandom.. the only fandom that actively cheers against its critical acclaim.

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    56. A couple thoughts about Episode 4 (and thinking back to 3):
      I can see good chemistry between Emilia and Kit from last episode, and reading interviews, Jon was supposed to notice Dany’s beauty. Jon is very focused on getting ready to fight the dead though, and Emilia’s wig is distracting me this year even if it’s not distracting to Jon! It didn’t distract me as much in other years. Perhaps it’s because it is a more striking contrast on top of the darker costumes of this season. It just doesn’t look as natural to me so it distracts some from her character. She is passionately saying her lines and I just seem to be staring at those two long braid/curls. Other years, she wasn’t the queen yet and was wandering through the Dothraki fields and the desert, so her hair just looked more wind blown and natural to me.

      I am hoping that in Episode 4, we see Jon and Dany get closer. Soap operas would make them get stuck in an elevator or something. Perhaps being in close quarters in the cave will help. I would love to see Jon rescue Dany or Dany rescue Jon from some danger.

      I am a huge Arya fan, so I can’t wait to see her return to Winterfell and finally get off of that horse! Her new cold faceless man assassin persona is growing on me. Starks are emotional, so I expect her to still have emotional ties to her family (which is why she went home), but she still has major skills now! Are any of the Starks aware that Littlefinger betrayed Ned with the kingsguard? I don’t recall.

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    57. I’m a bartender, and I was listening to a YouTube video as a podcast last night while I was eating dinner in my break room, and it autoplay started a new video. I could’ve sworn heard Game of Thrones music, and recognizable voices….. then I realized some bastard started uploading leaked clips on YouTube from the leaked episode. So I heard but did not exactly see. So a big eff you to those people.

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    58. Carole H: my question is I read on here all the time that it is very expensive to include Ghost , or any direwolf, can someone tell me why, I am interested to know.

      I read somewhere that it’s much more difficult to simulate fur than it is to do something like dragon scales. So the CGI for the direwolves is more difficult and time-consuming.

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    59. Tron79: (Arya’s) new cold faceless man assassin persona is growing on me. Starks are emotional, so I expect her to still have emotional ties to her family

      She does, and always has. She’s never been 100% “cold and faceless”, as we saw from her reactions watching the play in Braavos. People have asked when was the last time Arya laughed, well she certainly did during some parts of the play. And we saw her face fall and her grief take over when they did Ned’s execution scene.

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    60. Rhaella,

      I can’t remember which episode, but after Littlefinger returns from Harrenhal he tells Sansa he has seen her mother and sister.

      How do people not remember this?

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    61. Grandmaester Flash,

      Thank you for that. There is a deleted scene from series 6 when Ed walks across the yard at CB with Ghost and that looks very strange so I can understand there must be a lot of work needs doing to make it look realistic.

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    62. Ser Broccoli McBroccoliface,

      LF lied about seeing Arya. He lied to Sansa, just as he lied to Catelyn in S2e4.

      You should also check out what Arya overheard Tywin and LF talking about in S2e6. Especially the last few seconds. If Brienne hadn’t rushed Hot Pie in S4e7 she would’ve realized the Jaime -Sansa + Arya “hostage exchange” was a scam from the outset: Arya wasn’t in KL.

      LF conspired with Tywin to destroy Robb and the Starks. LF deceived Catelyn into betraying and undermining Robb with the bogus hostage exchange. If two or three characters compare notes, they’d realize LF is a duplicitous scoundrel.

      (That Sansa would let a known serial killer run loose around WF is another matter…)

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    63. Wow, I don’t remember that at all. If he recognized her at Harrenhal, why not say anything to Tywin? Seems like the kind of information he’d have been able to use to his advantage. Loyalty to Cat? Didn’t want to play that hand yet?

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    64. tyjon,

      Bad!!!! 🚱🚱🚱🚱🚱🚱

      Didn’t you read the express warning in the article under which you’re commenting ? It states very plainly:

      “Reminder: no leaked episode spoilers in this post. Leak discussion is only permitted in the Quarantine forum– leak-discussing posts outside of it will be deleted. Thank you!

      Or maybe you just don’t care.

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    65. Ten Bears,

      Thank you for this! I need to review those scenes before tomorrow night. It’s hard to keep track of all of Baelish’s lies throughout the seasons. Here’s hoping the remaining Starks don’t trust him as easily.

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    66. Boojam: Little new to me that people had , or some people , had problems with S5.
      I thought it was S2.

      You really missed the hatewagon during Season 5? An extremely loud segment of fans hated the show with a passion and critics also started being pretty harsh. It was probably the show nadir regarding both the fan and critical reception. Which I find pretty baffling honestly.

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    67. Rhaella,

      If you watch “cupbearer” Arya’s entire scene with Tywin and his generals, and then Tywin with LF in S2e6, it’s clear that LF does NOT recognize Arya- but she sure knows and recognizes him.

      In the last few seconds of the. scene Arya overhears LF telling Tywin that he’d met Catelyn at Tyrion’s request to discuss a “proposition concerning her daughters.”

      At the time, LF knew this proposition (hostage exchange) was a scam. Brienne should’ve realized it too when she arrived in KL – but Arya wasn’t there. Brienne may not have known about LF’s role in deceiving Catelyn, but with a little more info Arya could fill in the blanks and deduce that this scam is what LF was referring to in S2e6.

      PS. Lest there be any doubt, a scene between LF and Tyrion in S2e2 or e3 makes it clear LF knew the proposal to Catelyn was a deception.

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    68. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      I hear that.

      I work with a young man that is a huge GOT fan. He likes to engage co-workers in making predictions about what will happen in upcoming episodes. So far this season he has been surprisingly accurate guessing plot points that, IMO, were nearly impossible to see coming. What he doesn’t tell people is that he is an avid reader of filming and leak spoilers. It’s so irritating.

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    69. Ser Broccoli McBroccoliface:
      Rhaella,

      I can’t remember which episode, but after Littlefinger returns from Harrenhal he tells Sansa he has seen her mother and sister.

      How do people not remember this?

      Yes, and last week he told Jon he was sorry that Ned had died. And in S2 when he saw Catelyn in Renly’s camp he told her that Sansa and Arya were captive in KL and well…for the time being. Littlefinger tells truths like a broken clock is right–twice a day. The smartest thing Sansa ever said was “Only a fool would trust Littlefinger.” But she’s a fool too, and a hypocrite. Knowing all she knows, she still keeps that creepy, double-crossing, dangerous multiple murderer by her side in the sacred home she values so much?

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    70. Edward:
      Mr Fixit,

      People are so eager to throw around the term “bad writing”. It’s almost laughable what people think is sloppy writing and what’s objectively terrible writing.

      I know, right?

      During rewatches, I transcribe much of the dialogue for future reference. The “writing” is wonderful.

      If people are unhappy with adaptation decisions or lack of info dumping exposition, that’s another story.

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    71. Ooh, I’m afraid to read all the comments because… well, there are people who “speculate”, and what with the hacking going on… Many have already seen ep4 and apparently even (bits of) ep5-ep7. 🙁

      I’m not “Dee Stark -level” averse to spoilers but I don’t want to know everything in advance.

      Of the official ep4 trailer… I’m most intrigued by the shot of Sansa poring over some books and looking up. What is she up to? Or maybe she’s just looking at the accounts when she hears there’s someone at the gate = Arya’s return.

      I think Wimsey has compared Mel’s fire visions and her interpretations thereof to GoT fans seeing all kinds of things in trailers, lol.

      Can’t wait to watch ep4 legally, 24hrs after the US showing… so that’ll be 4am Tuesday morning in my country. My routine is to stay away from various internet sites for 24hrs, have an early night, then wake up in the early hours, make a couple of sandwiches and a big mug of good coffee, stream the episode, watch it through in bed on my Samsung tablet (I don’t even have a TV set), no pauses, no rewinds. Then immediately rewatch it, maybe pausing, rewinding to catch some dialogue (I always turn subtitles off because they’re distracting) or some visual thing. By then, I’ll have had two mugs of coffee, it’s nearing 7am and it’s time to face workaday commitments. I’m so envious of people who can watch GoT live in the evening and have a glass or two of Dornish red or Arbour Gold! Damn!

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    72. Stark Raven’ Rad,

      Yup, yup and yup.

      Watching LF lie to Catelyn in S2e4 makes me want to puke. But here’s an excerpt. I’ve even left out the disgusting parts where he hits on the recently widowed Catelyn and makes believe he admired Ned as he presents her with his bones.

      2×4 excerpts LF-Catelyn
      ***

      LF: Do you want to see your girls again? Sansa, more beautiful than ever. And Arya, just as wild as ever.

      C: You have Arya, too?

      LF: Both girls are healthy and safe… for now. But you know the Queen and you know Joffrey.

      LF: I fear for their longevity if they remain in the capital.

      C: What do you want?

      LF: The Lannisters will trade your daughters for the Kingslayer.

      C: Of course they will. Jaime Lannister for two girls? Robb will never agree to those terms.

      LF: I’m not bringing these terms to him. I’m bringing them to you.

      C: You think I’d keep secrets from my son?

      LF: Robb has surprised them all with his skills in battle, but he’s not a mother.
      Consider it, Cat. You may not get another chance.

      ***

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    73. Grandmaester Flash:

      She does, and always has.She’s never been 100% “cold and faceless”, as we saw from her reactions watching the play in Braavos. People have asked when was the last time Arya laughed, well she certainly did during some parts of the play.And we saw her face fall and her grief take over when they did Ned’s execution scene.

      Spot on, Grandmaester. Also, since shearing the Frey sheep, she’s been reclaiming herself in every scene she’s been in: empathising with the Lannister soldiers, wisely coming to terms with Nymeria’s independence, and recognising the kindness of Hot Pie. Oh, and she laughed joyously with the soldiers at her ‘joke’ about planning to kill Cersei.

      For what it’s worth, friends, I read the script for Ep 4. IMO, it’s short, but they make every scene count. I can’t wait to see it.

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    74. Ten Bears,

      Actually I wouldn’t say it’s clear that he did not recognize her. Frankly he does see her and in my eyes he has a look of curiosity. Knowing Little Finger he is playing all the moves in his head as he tells Sansa in the last episode that everyone is in an uproar over.

      His telling Sansa in I think the next episode after he returned from harrenhal that he has seen her sister I don’t think is a coincidence. We should not be so naive to think that he would have told Tywin just because. As we have seen, Little Finger doesn’t give two s**** about the Lannisters.

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    75. Ten Bears,

      I think “bad writing” is often shorthand for “things didn’t go the way I wanted, didn’t conform to my headcanon and my favourite theories, and failed to confirm them”.

      That said, D&D’s writing, while very good, very solid, isn’t flawless. There have been jarring moments in the past 7 years. I’ve noticed some, but I don’t get too hung up about it. It’s not like the master himself, GRRM, is infallible. (Though there’s a cult of book fundamentalist who seem to think he’s writing the Bible or the Koran or something.)

      I love the books, they add so much texture to the story, but GRRM set out to write an unadaptable saga, and D&D have proved him wrong, ASoIaF IS adaptable. What a happy meeting of minds that famous lunch that turned into dinner between GRRM and D&D has proved to be. It has given us this amazing TV show.

      The end game resolution will be the same. I’m happy D&D will give it to me because, alas, I’m not sure GRRM ever will. He’s lost interest in ASoIaF, he’s more interested in Targ history. He’s bloated his book series with so much world-building and side-plots that he’s having a difficult time (judging by the time it takes to write/publish the next books) bringing his sprawling story to heel, to converge, to come back to the main story as laid out in book 1. The TV show is having to do it for him. After that, why would he be interested in writing that story, he could indulge himself in Targ history and stories – especially if HBO are keen on a prequel spin-off.

      Ho-hum.

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    76. Rhaella,

      Using to his advantage only to tell the Lannisters wouldn’t really have been the way he plays the game. I doubt any reward at all would have come from telling Tywin right the. and there, and saving the info only to tell later would have rightly been interpreted as very dishonest behaviour.

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    77. Mr Fixit,

      I think the biggest problem with season 5 was the introduction of the sand snakes. The execution of that was so cartoonish juxtaposed with the rest of the storylines. Add that to Sansa taking on the book Jeyne Poole arc and Tyrion wandering Essos rather than engaging in Westeros political intrigue. The season itself is pretty great. Sansa and Tyrion’s storylines are just complaints. The sand snakes though were badly done which I blame none of the actors for. The sad thing is I actually enjoyed them this season. It’s a shame that they didn’t execute their storyline better in season 5.

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    78. Violator,

      Ahh… you really don’t get it – do you?

      I have no problem whatsoever at what time fans of the show decide to watch it. What does piss me off BIG TIME are the fucking morons who can’t even wait until the show officially airs at 9pm Sunday (or 2am for me), have to watch a leaked episode or read the details from a leaked script… and then post comments on threads such as this acting if they are none the wiser 🙁

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    79. Ten Bears,

      Exactly! I’m really glad there’s reasonable people on here that can constructively critique the series without resorting to antiquated insults like “sloppy writing”. I’m sure they’ve seen tons of saccharine and corny shows that have actually had dreadful dialogue and a disjointed plot.

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    80. zod,

      Thanks zod. Re-reading my post, I had mentioned two characters together that were shown in the HBO preview immediately following episode 3 on HBO, which as I understand things is not considered a spoiler. I was mostly saying my hopes of what would happen.

      Also, Rhaella is right about Bran knowing that Littlefinger betrayed Ned since he knows everything, but my guess is Bran has a lot of other things on his mind to worry about and might not share that info with the other Starks.

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    81. Lord of Coffee,

      Glad you appreciated my comment 😉

      If people want to watch leaked episodes or read details from leaked scripts, that’s fair enough. However, to then come up in the ‘comments’ section and whinge on about lackluster battle scenes (some in episodes the majority of us still haven’t seen), not enough episodes this season, HBO slow at releasing episode titles, etc, etc – it just gets on my tits!

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    82. Black Raven,

      Dear Raven, did you just drop a spoiler yourself, with quoting someone about “lacklustre battle scenes”?

      It doesn’t matter. I’m sure there are people who think the Battle of the Bastards in S6 was “lacklustre” for one reason or another, lol.

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    83. Ser Broccoli McBroccoliface,

      Sorry to disagree. I’ve rewatched S2 episodes 1-6 + S4e7 numerous times to determine if LF recognized Arya. I’ve thought through every permutation and combination of facts and events presented. The inescapable conclusion every time is that LF did NOT recognize Arya. He couldn’t have. And if he had, he would’ve ratted her out to Tywin then and there, or finagled a way to capture her for himself. She was too valuable a piece on the board at that juncture for Mr. Gameplayer to pass up.

      Take a look at 2e1 (Cersei-Tyrion re Arya “disappeared”…”what, in a puff of smoke?”)( S2e2 or e3 (Tyrion-LF “deception” proposal); S2e4 (Lyin’ LF relays scam hostage exchange proposal to Catelyn); and S2e6 (cupbearer Arya overhears LF and Tywin…but LF does NOT recognize Arya).

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    84. talvikorppi,

      For the time being, you might want to lay off the Arbor Gold (“a proper wine for proper heroes”).

      “If people ask you what happened here, tell them: the North remembers. Tell them: Winter came for House Frey.”

      – Arya Stark

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    85. Tron79,

      Nope. Bran does not “know everything.” He admitted that so far, he can only see fragments, and needs to learn to hone his powers. So we cannot automatically conclude: “X happened, therefore Bran knows all about it.”

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    86. talvikorppi,

      Ahhh… That thought never occurred to me – You could be right 😉

      I think the bottom line is GoT is very subjective regarding what people regard as a good or bad scene? Those of battles especially. I thought the attack of Casterly Rock was pretty good albeit it was rather short. The Lannister’s taking of Highgarden being even shorter. However, I think the show runners did a good job keeping those battles short to push the story along?

      Firstly – to show that Dany and Tyrion’s decision to send Grey Worm and the Unsullied to attack Casterly Rock was a bad idea. i.e. Dany has now lost a good part of her ships due to Euron with the Unsullied currently stranded on the opposite side of Westeros.

      Secondly – to get to the all important scene of Jaime with Lady Olenna. No need for a big battle scene there. It was all about Olenna telling Jaime that it was she who murdered his son Joffrey after taking the poison knowing all was lost… A perfect ending to a great episode 🙂

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    87. Ten Bears,

      Why do you people keep calling it deception? It was only deception in that one daughter would be missing from the exchange, but Littlefinger clearly had faith in his ability to locate Arya. His offer to help Sansa get home after he arranged for Margaery to become Joffrey’s new fiancé shows that this was not a scam.

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    88. Ten Bears,

      Unless D&D come out and say it, I don’t think we will know for sure. That being said he clearly sees her in the scene at Harrenhal when he is talking to Tywin. And he has an inquisitive look on his face. He is definitely intrigued by this girl. When he returns to King’s Landing there is no reason for him to tell Sansa that he saw Arya. None whatsoever. Yet he tells her anyway. His being deceitful to Catelyn does not prove anything.

      Of course we know that Aidan Gillen has said that he acted the scene out as if Little Finger knew but I will grant you that Dan and Dave have not definitively said one way or the other.

      None of the other episodes that you reference prove anything to be honest. We know Little Finger only cares about his endgame and he is willing to say anything to anyone if it helps him. That doesn’t mean he is lying about everything either. He was in the same room with Arya at Harrenhal so when he tells Sansa, you can’t just say he’s lying. Now I don’t know what was going through his mind at the time for a why he would keep it to himself and not tell Tywin but that is beside the point.

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    89. Ser Broccoli McBroccoliface,

      Gillen didn’t say that. He did not say he acted the scene as if LF recognized Arya. He said he did not know if LF recognized Arya, but if he had to give his own personal opinion he’d say she did.

      I invite you to rewatch the scenes I’ve cited. (Have you done so yet?)

      Plus, there’s no way LF would lay out his plot to help the Lannisters beat Robb Stark with Arya Stark within earshot.

      But beyond that, let’s agree to disagree. Nothing short of LF stating unequivocally and unprompted “I saw Arya Stark at Harrenhall but made believe I didn’t” will convince me that he did.

      To me, it’s more significant whether Arya recalls the last few seconds of the Tywin-LF conversation about the (vague – to Arya) proposal LF conveyed to Catelyn “concerning her daughters” [plural] and whether Brienne will be lucid and patient enough to fill in the gaps, eg that the “proposal” was a Jaime-for-Sansa AND Arya hostage exchange that LF knew was a deception all along.

      In the process, he scammed and doomed his “beloved” Catelyn.

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    90. Ten Bears,

      I recently rewatched all of season 2 and most of season 3 (cant bear to watch The Red Wedding again.) Have not rewatched 4/7 but did just read the wiki plot description again. The reason I bring this whole thing up is because season 2 is fresh in my mind.

      I may have misremembered how he worded it, but even if Gillen says in his opinion Little Finger saw Arya, well that still says something about his (Gillen’s) state of mind during that seen. And yet, when you watch it, he looks carefully at Arya as she is moving around the room, while he talks to Tywin. Hes clearly interested in some way.

      Certainly I dont know what was actually running through Little Fingers head at that moment, but even with Arya hearing their discussion, what was she going to do about it? Under my scenario where Little Finger does recognize her, he most certainly would ascertain that Arya is in no position to warn Robb in any shape or fashion. He probably would be thinking “Damn Tywin has Arya Stark as his cup bearer… and doesnt even know it! How very interesting indeed!”

      And to my point, he literally returns to Kings Landing and tells Sansa he saw her. To your credit, he doesnt tell Sansa WHERE he saw her, but he does indeed say he saw her, which we know he actually did (whether or not we agree that he recognized her).

      I agree fully with you on your last paragraph that what Arya remembers about that conversation will be huge.

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    91. Ser Broccoli McBroccoliface,

      To be honest, I don’t recall in which episode LF lied to Sansa about seeing her mother and Arya. Was it after S2e6?

      PS. I cited 4×7 because: (1) it contains Brienne’s statements to Hot Pie that she swore to Catelyn to bring her daughterS (plural) home; and/but nobody had seen Arya Stark since her father was beheaded and she’s presumed to be dead; and (2) if Brienne hadn’t rushed Hot Pie and really listened to what he said (and maybe asked one or two followup questions), Brienne would’ve realized that Arya left KL with the NW disguised as a boy immediately after Ned’s beheading and therefore Arya was never in KL when the hostage exchange was proposed or when it was to take place, i.e. Lady Catelyn – and Brienne- had been bamboozled.
      (I’m still not sure why Brienne simply accepted the explanation from Jaime that Arya hadn’t been seen since Ned’s execution. As I recall, Brienne didn’t complain “that’s f*cked up! I took you all this way at Lady Catelyn’s command to exchange you for her TWO daughters – and now you tell me Sansa’s Tyrion’s wife and Arya was never even here!”)

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    92. Littlefinger has no more meaning to the plot and doesn’t matter.
      So who cares.

      Maybe they will convince me next episode that he actually has real plots and schemes this season, because right now, all hes doing is shadowing Sansa and giving sneaky glances.

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    93. Ten Bears:
      talvikorppi,

      For the time being, you might want to lay off the Arbor Gold (“a proper wine for proper heroes”).

      “If people ask you what happened here, tell them: the North remembers. Tell them: Winter came for House Frey.”

      – Arya Stark

      Huh?

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    94. Ten Bears,

      What we know for sure is when Arya gets to Winterfell, if LF didnt really recognize her back then, he will most certainly will now. I will be interested to see if he says anything, or if Arya will. Shit is going to go down one way or another.

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    95. talvikorppi,

      OH sorry. Lame attempt at humor. You mentioned something about relaxing and watching the episode with some Dornish Red or Arbor Gold, and I flashed back to the opening scene of S7e1 in which fWalder had all of the assembled Frey “heroes” toast with Arbor Gold – not realizing fWalder = Arya and the Arbor Gold was poisoned.

      Forgive me. I’m an Aryaphile, and I’ve adopted her line from that episode every time I’m in a hurry and have to leave a mess behind. 😊

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    96. Ser Broccoli McBroccoliface,

      “I agree fully with you on your last paragraph that what Arya remembers about that conversation will be huge.”
      ____________

      Works for me! Let’s agree on that then. If Arya makes it to WF (as she told Nymeria) and sees DouchebagFinger lurking about, I’d have to think she’d ask “What’s this perfidious snake doing here? He conspired with Tywin Lannister to defeat our brother King Robb.” (Whether she can piece together LF’s role in duping and dooming their mother is another question.)

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    97. LetThemEatCakeAndDrinkChampagne,

      It was a “deception” because that’s exactly what Tyrion told LF it was in S2e3:

      Excerpts:

      (After LF is furious that he waa 1 of 3 Myrcella marriage scenarios Tyrion used to root out Pycelle as Cersei’s spy):

      LF: Leave me out of your next deception.

      Tyrion: Oh, that’s a shame. You were to be the centerpiece of my next deception. My brother Jaime rots in a Northern stockade. I would see him released. That’s where you come in.

      LF: Robb Stark will never release the Kingslayer.

      T: No, he won’t. But his mother might. How would you like to see your beloved Cat again?

      ———–
      Oh, and if framing Sansa for regicide for a murder HE committed, and making her #1 on the country’s Most Wanted list, was “helping” her – that’s a strange definition of “help.” (Never mind that putting the poisoned stone in Sansa’s necklace was completely unnecessary to begin with: Olenna could’ve simply fished it out of her own pocket and plunked it into Joffrey’s goblet.)

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    98. Ten Bears,

      Ah, OK. Yeah, your humour didn’t come across because we all are not such Aryaphiles as you. I get the joke now.

      I love it that you’re so unashemedly such a staunch Arya (and Sandor) fan. I bet you’d happily watch 10 seasons of the “Arya and the Hound Show”. 😉 I’m an unashamed Jaime fan, groaning at every bad choice he makes, willing him “to be the man he was meant to be” (as Tywin put it in S1, though Tywin probably meant something different than Jaime fans and even Jaime himself). I love his complex, conflicted character, and know there’s no way he’ll get out of all this alive. It’s just a matter of when and how he’ll die. Arya, at least, has a fair chance of surviving the series, so your fanboying is more likely to have a happy ending than my fangirling, lol. (Just to make clear: I like Arya and want her to do great things and survive. She just isn’t among my top fav characters.)

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    99. Grandmaester Flash,

      I’ve got to say, Arya’s behavior in her scene with Hot Pie in S7e2 made me think she had adopted The Hound’s mannerisms… from stabbing at and scarfing down food, wiping her mouth on her sleeves, asking “Got any ale?” and then chugging down the whole mug, and in general acting disinterested… Until the wonderful revelation* that the Boltons no longer hold WF because Jon Snow and a Wildling army came down from CB and “he’s King in the North now…” It was then that some of the “old” empathetic Arya resurfaced and she actually showed concern for Hot Pie.

      *Thank the gods for the Hot Pie News Network.

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    100. zod,

      I wasn’t talking about

      zod:
      Aryamad,

      “They”? “HelloThere” was responding to ‘Tron79″. There are absolutely no spoilers in Tron79’s post.

      It actually wasn’t Tron79’s post I was referring to it was someone else but it looks like it’s been removed.

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    101. talvikorppi:
      Ten Bears,

      “… I love it that you’re so unashemedly such a staunch Arya (and Sandor) fan. I bet you’d happily watch 10 seasons of the “Arya and the Hound Show”. 😉 I’m an unashamed Jaime fan, groaning at every bad choice he makes, willing him “to be the man he was meant to be” (as Tywin put it in S1, though Tywin probably meant something different than Jaime fans and even Jaime himself). I love his complex, conflicted character, and know there’s no way he’ll get out of all this alive. It’s just a matter of when and how he’ll die….”
      ****

      Yes! I definitely would watch 10 seasons of “The Arya and the Hound Show.” I can’t help it: I was a latecomer to GoT; I binge-watched Seasons 1 and 2 when HBO replayed them before the start of S3, and was hooked the minute that little girl zinged the arrow into the bullseye, took a bow with a mischievous grin, and ran off as her showed-up brother chased after her. As for The Hound, when he braved the rioting mob and rescued his Little Bird when no one else would and then simply told a grateful Tyrion, “I didn’t do it for you”, I was hooked on his character too. Maisie Williams and Rory McCann have just been outstanding.

      As for your fangirling of Jaime…I loved his bathtub confession to Brienne, and his heroic rescue of Brienne from the bear pit. It seems like the noble Jaime comes out when he’s with Brienne- but the rotten Jaime surfaces when he’s with Cersei. Unfortunately, unlike Sandor, it seems as if time is running out for Jaime to “help a lot more than [he’s] harmed.” And I’m wondering how he can be so sanguine about Cersei promising herself to Euron…

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    102. Is this season eligible for the Emmys? Weiss said he hopes Diana Rigg gets one. It would be a shame if Shakman wasn’t eligible for his first Emmy win.

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    103. Rygritte:
      Ten Bears,
      Why do you think GRRM named it the Inn at the Crossroads? 😉

      I have yet to read the books, but I assume you’re referring to crossroads as the likely place that travelers from all directions would share news of events from the places they’ve come from.
      Or were you referring to the way Hot Pie construes a compliment on his cooking as an invitation to sit down at customers’ tables and join in their conversations, extracting news and gossip from them whether they intended to or not ? 🍞🍮🍰🍴😊
      Or…. that Arya was shown at a metaphorical crossroads: whether to head south and whack Cersei, or head north back to Winterfell?

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    104. Hodors Bastard: I would think that D, R & V go through a small ranch of cattle/sheep per day

      They made it across the ocean. Maybe they became excellent fisher-dragons, scooping up dinner from the sea. The castle is right on the shores, as well, so they can continue the habit. With the occasional lamb chop on the side, of course.

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    105. Ten Bears,

      no, he would not have told Tywin or anyone else. Why? He only does things if the play results in some sort of gain for him. He would have gained absolutely nothing from telling Tywin, which he would have had to do right in the moment without any power play or negotiation.

      No, he recognized Arya and kept his mouth shut, because saying anything in that moment would result in no new advantage for him.

      Keep in mind, Tywin was lied to. He had no idea Arya was even missing because his family was still trying to pretend they had her as a negotiating tactic.

      Meanwhile, if LF succeeded in his mission of a prisonner swap, failing to return Arya would only have increased hostilities between the Starks and Lannisters because they broke faith, which is exactly what LF always wants. More chaos.

      You interpretation assumes he was a faithful servant of the Lannisters at the time, which you must realize is a cery strange assumption.

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    106. HelloThere: GOT has the worst fandom..

      Actually, I’d still say it’s second to Star Wars – I used to like Star Wars, but all the “Lucas raped my childhood” scum made me realize I’ve nowt in common with ’em. Star Trek has the best fandom, whether you want to believe it or not, they are unflinchingly loyal and respectful to Roddenberry.

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    107. awol,

      No. Tywin wasn’t “lied to” by his family. And as I’ve said before, if LF recognized Arya there’s no way he would let such a valuable chip slip through his fingers.
      I’ll tell you what though: nothing is going to sway me from my conviction after multiple rewatches, so how about we let this go for now?

      With my luck, in episode 4 in 12 hours from now Arya will have a chance encounter with LF in the abandoned Molestown brothel and he’ll greet her by saying “You look a lot better than you did when I saw you at Harrenhall. New hairdo?… Aren’t you going to thank me for not blowing your cover?”
      At which point, in my FanFic world:

      (A) Arya’s response will consist of two words:
      “Nymeria…lunch!”

      or

      (B) Arya addresses hulking figure limping out of the shadows…
      Arya: “Remember where the heart is?”
      Sandor: “Sure do, Wolf Girl, but this slimeball doesn’t have one.”
      Arya: “Then cut off his manhood and feed it to the goats.”
      Sandor: “There aren’t any goats around here.”
      Arya: “Well make do!”
      Tyrion: “Hey, that’s my punchline.”
      Arya: “Oops, sorry.”
      Sandor: “Let me gut him then.”
      Arya: “We’re not butchers…”
      Sandor: “Aww f*ck it.” (Buries axe deep into LF’s skull).

      [ My apologies to all. Haven’t had my morning coffee yet. I’ll see myself out. ]

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    108. Ten Bears,

      But it is NOT a valuable chip for Littlefinger. That’s the point. What value?

      The Lannisters in KL thought she was missing and Cersei asked Littlefinger to find her. But she didn’t offer him much in compensation if he did. She also threatened and belittled him, which he hates, while Tyrion outsmarted and manipulated him so he had no desire to please either of them. As far as he was concerned, Arya was already Tywin’s captive at Harrenhal even if he didn’t realize that. There was no good reason to believe she would escape. If Tywin brought Arya to KL with him, it would be embarassing for Cersei who would have to admit to losing her, and if Tywin left Arya at Harrenhal she would suffer the same fate as everyone else there and LF really could not have cared less knowing Arya was not suited to being his pawn. Furthermore if she did survive, he could use the fact that he did not expose her to gain some advantage with her.

      You really need to think through and explain WHY you believe that exposing Arya’s disguise would have been a valuable move in his game. What would he have gained by it? (IMO nothing) What did he gain by NOT saying anything: Knowing something others did not, which he might be able to use in far more valuable ways in future. His intention was NEVER for the Lannisters to remain in power forever so playing all of his cards as if they would be is shortsighted and not his game.

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    109. There was a great interview with Aidan Gillen (Littlefinger) a few weeks back in which he discussed his character and finally answered the question as to whether or not LF recognized Arya in that scene with Tywin. I believe he confirmed that he did indeed recognize her in that moment.

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    110. That Drogon is such a character. Ever noticed how, from the day he was born, he loves a grand entrance? (I know this crowd has) Last week’s episode, he did it again with his flyby over Jon Snow and company. Every season it seems there’s been at least one, and it’s been fun to watch his character arc develop over the series.

      Only slightly tongue-in-cheek!

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    111. ramses:
      Allykat,

      Here is the article you’re talking about http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/28/game-of-thrones-littlefinger-arya/

      His answer is too ambiguous for me:

      “It was unclear if he recognized her or not, but I have my own thoughts on that: yes, I did recognize her — I just didn’t say anything or do anything about it.”

      Yes that was it! Thank you for sharing the link! It’s sounds to me like he is saying he did indeed recognize her, no? In any case, we will have to wait and see if and how the information unfolds with Arya returning to the mix.

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    112. Tron79,

      It’ll be interesting to see how Bran’s greensight comes into play this season. We’ve already seen him reference what happened to Sansa a bit umm…interestingly…so I think there’s potential for more offhand comments about things that have happened to other characters. Or maybe it was a one time thing to underscore his lack of humanity now that he is more three eyed raven than “normal” teenage boy. I’m personally hoping for more flashbacks, I’d love to see Aisling Franciosi as Lyanna again, but I think that’s a long shot.

      Here’s my next question about Bran. Will he stay at Winterfell? The Night King pretty much made sure he couldn’t live out his raven days in the cave, but where does he go from here?

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    113. Rhaella,

      I think Bran will stay at Winterfell this season but leave before the end of the series to go into exile if he survives.

      As for this season can we expect a Bran flash back to reveal Rhaeger as Jon’s father in the next couple of episodes. I’m assuming they are building up to this towards the end of this season.

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