Game of Thrones Season 6 Post-Premiere Round-Up!

Arya

We have a lot of Game of Thrones news for you today as we eagerly await Sunday night! With IGN, Maisie Williams discusses Arya’s character development and new obstacles she faces being blind, and at EW, Hannah Murray discusses Sam and Gilly “setting out on their own path.” Liam Cunningham examines Davos’ journey to find new purpose in season 6 at USA Today. We also have a video interview with Iwan Rheon and more under the cut!

Having seen only a small bit of Arya’s story in Sunday night’s premiere, we still have loads of new Arya moments to look forward to. Talking to IGN, Maisie Williams teases what’s next:

This year is a growing year for Arya, and it’s an important year. Though right now it’s not the Arya that we want to see and are used to, in the future we might look back and be like, ‘Hey, she needed that.’

She further explains Arya will be “learning a lot,” this season and that “She has to rely on a lot of other people, because she can no longer see.”

The lone wolf must begin to trust others again this season which is something we haven’t seen from Arya in quite a while.

That has been the main thing that has kind of been her weapon without even realizing, without knowing she depended solely on her eye sight. Now she has to rely on a lot of other people and trust them in order to help her, which is not a position that she’s usually in. It’s kind of like she’s being blackmailed. She has to trust people that she can’t even see, and rely on them to help her. That’s really, really difficult for her, but ultimately a very, very strong season. She learns a lot of very valuable lessons that she ultimately uses against her teachers.

Maisie talks Arya’s temporary setback, her relationship with the Waif, and more over at IGN.


At USA Today, Liam Cunningham gets into Davos’ recent loss of allies and his new position in Season 6.

It looks like he’s out of a job. Stannis is gone. (Davos’) reason for being in the show is gone. I think people would have liked seeing Jon Snow with someone on his side and Davos seemed like the right man in the right place at the right time. And then, (Jon) is gone.

He reviews Davos’ intentions to serve Jon beyond the grave (as we started to see in the premiere) and his alliance with The Red Woman.

From the get-go this season, there’s an immediate threat to his life. Melisandre is there as well and the powers she has may prove to be very useful.

Cunningham considers what peaked his interest in Game of Thrones, reflects on Davos’ relationship with Stannis, and more with USA Today.


In 60 seconds, Iwan Rheon reveals his most challenging role, dream roles, and more! Check out the video with BAFTA Guru below:


John Bradley and Hannah Murray talk to Entertainment Weekly in a new interview today about Sam and Gilly’s relationship, and how their characters have changed over the seasons.

As Bradley previously confirmed in another interview, the pair aren’t aware of Jon Snow’s death.

Murray shares her thoughts on the matter. “I think it’s interesting about them not knowing about Jon’s death because it’s all been a bubble this year to a certain extent, but actually what it really shows is that these two characters, they’ve broken out on their own.[…] They don’t even know what’s happened, and there’s no turning back for them. They really are setting out on their own path and not looking back.”

The actress also reveals that after several years of wearing various sacks, Gilly will finally have a new costume in season six!


In a hilarious sketch, YouTubers Lemonade Stand play out the battle between the Sullied (book readers) and Unsullied (non-book readers) and what happens now that the show has passed the books.

Last night Amy Schumer parodied Game of Thrones on her show Inside Amy Schumer. Watch the promo below and see the full episode and sketch over at Comedy Central.

Late night host Jimmy Fallon catches you up on what you may have missed on Sunday night’s Game of Thrones premiere with a recap rap from The Roots:

Screen Junkies has created a second “Honest Trailer” for Game of Thrones.

Where do you hope to see Arya and Davos go from the premiere? Are you excited to see Iwan Rheon play another evil role? Found any other Game of Thrones sketches or parodies this week? Let us know in the comments!

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    1. By the way, in that pic of Arya the transition between the scenes on the trailer preview makes it think its the Waif who stop the stick with his hand, but is Jaqen.

      just realized it lol.

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    2. April May,

      Fair enough, but keep in mind that it doesn’t have to be Hodor. Just say something related to the subject. “Can’t wait until Sunday” or “Looking forward to ____”. “Hodor” is the equivalent of “First”, and it really makes it seem like people care more about getting the first comment on a thread rather than actually contributing to the discussion.

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    3. Connor:
      Davos is going to be serving Jon beyond the grave……and when he’s alive again.

      sometimes these kind of interviews make me think that Jon is coming back later this season:/ the way he is talking about it. Maybe he is going to serve Sansa and Jon is going to swoop in later at the battle…

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    4. taim: sometimes these kind of interviews make me think that Jon is coming back later this season:/ the way he is talking about it. Maybe he is going to serve Sansa and Jon is going to swoop in later at the battle…

      I’m starting to feel that way. Davos, Sansa, Edd, etc can round up Northern forces for 6 episodes. There really isn’t a need for Jon to do that all season.

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    5. “She learns a lot of very valuable lessons that she ultimately uses against her teachers.”
      Welp, that’s a big spoiler.

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    6. So Sansa arrives at Castle Black, says ‘I’m Sansa Stark’ and Davos and Mel will follow her? I don’t believe that.

      Jon will struggle leaving the NW. Ramsey sends a massage to Jon and order him to send Sansa to him or he will attack Castle Black. Jon sends Sansa away in order to unite the North against the Boltons.

      When Jon knows about Ramsey having Rickon, he decide to leave the NW, go the Wildlings, go to the Northern Lords, convince them to fight with the Wildlings, joining Sansa and sending Sansa to LF for help.

      All before ep 9.

      So I think Jon will be resurrected in ep3, maybe ep 4.

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    7. Connor,

      I just keep thinking that he’s a main character and can’t spend the whole season missing in action. Having him dead for 6-7 episodes, and then resurrect him swinging a sword in battle next day without any character development, would be terrible storytelling and I think it would impact the quality of the season, since the Northen storyline is the central focus this year. Hopefully this is the one thing that doesn’t get messed up this season and decent storytelling triumphs over cheap cliffhangers the show doesn’t need anyway.

      If Davos is showing up where Sansa is in previews and trailers, the only person that can bring these two to work together and set things in motion in the first place is Jon. Davos doesn’t know her, but he knows and respects Jon. Sansa might use her name to get people to support her, but Jon is a tactician and the one who will be doing the actual fighting on the battlefield. If he’s there leading an army, he has to have time (and episodes) to earn it 🙂 . At least that’s how I see things.

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    8. Dragonmcmx,

      I’ve been a reader of this site for a long time. I’ve contributed in discussions. I’ve watched people get nasty with others and I’ve spoken up. I may not be as active as some of the people here, but I read almost every single comment on every single post. I’ve seen people leave “Hodor” comments on almost every post, sometimes multiples. It makes me laugh. I don’t think it’s a bad thing and sometimes we need some humor to lighten the mood. Today is literally the first time I ever attempted to post my own Hodor and what happens? I get called out for it. I’m sorry, but it just seems like you are having a bad day or maybe don’t like people doing it but I don’t think it’s fair to have someone tell me how I can contribute to a conversation like I’m a child. I actually enjoy reading what you yourself contribute but not this time. Maybe I brought a smile to someone’s face like it always brought to mine. Maybe I made someone feel like they were home here at WotW because “Hodor” has become a staple of this website’s comment section. I’m sorry you don’t like it and felt the need to comment, then edit what you said to me out of your original comment after you already commented on another post about how we need to stop with it, like you are the parent around here telling the kids what to do. Last I checked, you aren’t the site administrator and it isn’t up to you what people write in their comments. And in the show, a good “Hodor” here and there is perfectly acceptable conversation. 🙂

      I seriously feel like a playful Ygritte talking to a moody Jon Snow right now. lol

      Hodor. 😉

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    9. Connor: I do! It’s just comments like these that get me a little worried ahah.

      Sorry! I’m kinda telling myself that so not to get frustrated if it does happen. Of course I want it to happen asap.

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    10. Masterofthrones:
      So Sansa arrives at Castle Black, says ‘I’m Sansa Stark’ and Davos and Mel will follow her? I don’t believe that.

      Jon will struggle leaving the NW. Ramsey sends a massage to Jon and order him to send Sansa to him or he will attack Castle Black. Jon sends Sansa away in order to unite the North against the Boltons.

      When Jon knows about Ramsey having Rickon, he decide to leave the NW, go the Wildlings, go to the Northern Lords, convince them to fight with the Wildlings, joining Sansa and sending Sansa to LF for help.

      All before ep 9.

      So I think Jon will be resurrected in ep3, maybe ep 4.

      He will struggle leaving them after they murdered him?

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    11. April May,

      People have been moaning about the “Hodors” since the WiC days, and they’ll be moaning until well after the show has finished. I’ve Hodored before, but I’m not too bothered about to any more, so I leave the opportunity for someone else. I agree that it is a bit of fun, and if others want to do I’m not going to moan.

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    12. Flayed Potatoes:
      Connor,

      I just keep thinking that he’s a main character and can’t spend the whole season missing in action. Having him dead for 6-7 episodes, and then resurrect him swinging a sword in battle next day without any character development, would be terrible storytelling and I think it would impact the quality of the season, since the Northen storyline is the central focus this year. Hopefully this is the one thing that doesn’t get messed up this season and decent storytelling triumphs over cheap cliffhangers the show doesn’t need anyway.

      If Davos is showing up where Sansa is in previews and trailers, the only person that can bring these two to work together and set things in motion in the first place is Jon. Davos doesn’t know her, but he knows and respects Jon. Sansa might use her name to get people to support her, but Jon is a tactician and the one who will be doing the actual fighting on the battlefield. If he’s there leading an army, he has to have time (and episodes) to earn it . At least that’s how I see things.

      Exactly!! Jon is also a great leader, as seen before. Thanks for your comment! Made my day even better! 😀

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    13. I really hope we are not going too see Arya training for the whole season. She needs to get her butt on a boat back to Westeros. More specifically, the Riverlands and have her use her ninja skills on some Freys, preferably with Nymeria’s help and her wolf pack. Sansa in the North will take care of the Boltons and Arya of the Freys.

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    14. Jack Bauer 24,

      It’s fine! I am just becoming impatient about this lately, we have absolutely no idea how he will get resurrected! I am hoping this upcoming episode (which I have my doubts about) or episode 3.

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    15. I think we will likely see a resolution to Jon in this next episode. There is a time limit on how long they can stay cooped up in that room, and barring some other unforeseen plot device, I think something needs to happen soon. I also recall Dan Weiss making a comment about how big episode 2 is, which could mean a lot of things, but I think it likely means something with Jon.

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    16. Arya is not destined to become a faceless man, back to Westeros soon please! Sansa will find safety, quickly evolve into her badass lady self and rally the North with Davos as her Hand. JS resolution to quickly follow,

      then the BBowl.

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    17. Jack Bauer 24: What’s the difference between all of these round ups/recaps?

      Not sure if that’s a serious question….?

      This post contains several interviews that have never been posted here before, as well as several new funny videos brought about by the new season.

      Read the posts before you comment. Please.

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    18. Jack Bauer 24: YES!

      Man he better be good, I hope they don’t change the storyline like they did with dorne.
      If they maintain his plans from “A Feast for Crows” I’m sure he will be a villain to fear until last season

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    19. Joffrey’s Cunt: Man he better be good, I hope they don’t change the storyline like they did with dorne.
      If they maintain his plans from “A Feast for Crows” I’m sure he will be a villain to fear until last season

      I really think Pilou is going to kill it as Euron. The scene from the trailer is so atmospheric and I can’t wait for him to take the hood down and do you know what! I’m confident he will be the best villain of the story. Way better than Ramsay.

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    20. Jack Bauer 24: I really think Pilou is going to kill it as Euron. The scene from the trailer is so atmospheric and I can’t wait for him to take the hood down and do you know what! I’m confident he will be the best villain of the story. Way better than Ramsay.

      I have a feeling he might be in this episode on Sunday…

      Now you got me hyped for his debut!! 😀

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    21. Jack Bauer 24: I really think Pilou is going to kill it as Euron. The scene from the trailer is so atmospheric and I can’t wait for him to take the hood down and do you know what! I’m confident he will be the best villain of the story. Way better than Ramsay.

      I hope they do the backstory, I think that’s essential to show the madness of the character, like his ship and the crew you know…
      But anyway, Hype as always!

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    22. Pounce:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Link to that interview ? Episode 3 sounds more likely tbh.

      I just went back a couple of pages and can’t find it, it’s like finding a needle in a haystack. I promise you though he said it. Maybe someone else can help out and provide a link to the article. There has been so much stuff.

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    23. I always loved book Arya’s work ethic. I can’t wait to see Gilly in a dress made of the finest silk from tra-la-la-la-la-la-li-day.

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    24. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      I found it. It’s from Variety. He just stated that Episode 2 will be bigger than the first one, huge shock ! The premiere was mostly a “recap” episode with some few surprising twists. Don’t get me wrong I really liked it but we’re expecting more from the show. A lot of people were disappointed after all.

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    25. The clock is ticking. Aliser Thorne is coming back at night and Davos and the crew are going to have to make a decision. It’s doubtful Ed comes back with a band of wildings and they attack and there is a battle as that would take too much time (plus it would be too similar to Watcher’s on the Wall). Even if somehow the Jon supporters get out of danger, that body needs to be burned eventually. They can’t just leave it around there for the whole season.

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    26. Luka Nieto:
      Pounce,

      I can’t find that interview… In this recent Variety interview D&D don’t mention episode 2.

      This is what it says:

      “The season premiere was met with rave reviews from the audience at the L.A. event, where Benioff vowed the second episode will be “even bigger.” And as in years past, the penultimate episode will be the showstopper. Director Miguel Sapochnik “absolutely crushed it,” says Benioff. (Adds Weiss: “Not saying that the final episode is not also very hoo-ha.”)”

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    27. Pounce:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      I found it. It’s from Variety. He just stated that Episode 2 will be bigger than the first one, huge shock ! The premiere was mostly a “recap” episode with some few surprising twists. Don’t get me wrong I really liked it but we’re expecting more from the show. A lot of people were disappointed after all.

      I think the gist of what he’s saying is that episode 2 is going to be big. I think he only compares it to episode 1 so as not to diminish the importance of ep 1 before people watch it (he made those comments a couple of weeks before ep 1 aired). If he just says episode 2 is going to be a huge, but episode 1 is mainly just set up with a few small surprises, that would be kind of a buzz kill.

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    28. Dragonmcmx,

      I agree people should have more imagination with their comments if they want to be playful … I hate when there are like five Hodor comments in a row. It got old a long time ago …

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    29. LatrineDiggerBrian: Even if somehow the Jon supporters get out of danger, that body needs to be burned eventually. They can’t just leave it around there for the whole season.

      Gee, if only the storytellers had hung some sort of “reset button” gun on the figurative wall earlier in the tale….

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    30. OMG honest trailer is even more fun than Gay of Thrones!

      Also: Arya uses her lessons against her teachers?! So intriguing!

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    31. Jack Bauer 24:
      Site is still ganked for me. Is the Name/Email boxes still resetting for anyone else?

      Im not automatically populating still either… so frustrating .. having to put my info in every time I post.

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    32. April May,

      Hodor away. It’s a petty thing and there is no reason for anyone to be offended. It’s only annoying if you choose to be annoyed. It’s harmless. Mega petty.

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    33. LadySami:
      Episode 2 is called Homeward Bound not Home… That’s what it’s listed as on Sky Atlantic… Thoughts?

      I think that might’ve been the original name before they changed it to “Home”. Last time I checked on HBO it still said “Homeward Bound” and they hadn’t updated the episode description yet.

      Wimsey: Gee, if only the storytellers had hung some sort of “reset button” gun on the figurative wall earlier in the tale….

      Can you be more explicit on what exactly you’re referring to? Not sure which part of my post you’re responding to either.

      Ice Spider: Im not automatically populating still either… so frustrating .. having to put my info in every time I post.

      Yeah it’s happening to me too. Also, whenever I visit the site, it shows a very old post and I have to hit reload for it to update to the latest post.

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    34. I think that the last scene from next episode will be Ed arriving at castle black with a bunch of wildlings and start a fight against Allister (we see crossbows getting fired in the ep2 trailer) but it wont be a long battle. Jon will appear out of nowhere and everyone will look at him astonished (obviously, before that, we’ll see Mel entering the room where jon lies dead and exchange some words with Davos)

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    35. April May,

      Personally, I like a good Hodor! They still make me smile. It’s been too long since I’ve gotten one!

      I try to read all of the comments, too, and over these past two weeks there have been so many that I can hardly get my work done. lol It is great to hear everyone’s comments/analysis/predictions. Adds so much to my enjoyment of the show.

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    36. I’m rewatching the first season, and totally forgot that the first time we see Tyrion’s kill anyone is in defense of Catelyn Stark. Oh, the irony.

      And I do hope that Tyrion and Bronn will meet up again before the end. They’re so funny together

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    37. Flayed Potatoes:
      Connor,

      I just keep thinking that he’s a main character and can’t spend the whole season missing in action. Having him dead for 6-7 episodes, and then resurrect him swinging a sword in battle next day without any character development, would be terrible storytelling and I think it would impact the quality of the season, since the Northen storyline is the central focus this year. Hopefully this is the one thing that doesn’t get messed up this season and decent storytelling triumphs over cheap cliffhangers the show doesn’t need anyway.

      Jon will not stay dead for too many episodes. Not only would his storyline lose all impact if that were the case,

      also, we know that Kit Harington was filming in Belfast every single month from July to Dec, he has filmed more than any other actor for the season. Even if you discount the time spent shooting for the battle, it is still comparable to the time spent by the other main actors. So that tells me he should have as big a role as the other major characters, or at least I hope!

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    38. Black Raven,

      Me, too. I lose my screen name and e-mail address. I was using a private window and clearing my cache every once in a while, but I found that I could set my allowable cache to zero and that has helped quite a bit.

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    39. Man, having Jon still be dead past episode 3 would irk me. I can live with him having his eyes open at the end of episode 3 at the LATEST. My husband (Unsullied) brought a theory up last night when he found out about the “reborn amidst salt and smoke” thing. He said

      what if Theon goes to CB and since he is Balon’s son, he gets sacrificed by Mel to bring back Jon

      .
      He is a sweet summer child 😀

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    40. April May,

      I have a theory, what if Rhaegar Targaryen is STILL ALIVE. What if he is Jaqen h’ghar? We’ve heard all the stories about him, some are true, some maybe not but all have ONE thing in common. It was he was a VERY good warrior and he was intelligent, what if he realized that he may not make through this battle in one piece.
      So to protect his love and his unborn child whom I don’t think he ever had the chance to meet, he went to the many faced God for help. We always hear that he gave away money and food to the poor and didn’t care when he brought the flower to Lyanna instead of his wife(Ellia?) . He never tight about his royal status, he always followed his heart.
      So he went to the Many Faced God (MFG) and pleaded to him to help him.(We’ll assume someone was representing the MFG) The MFG agreed but on the condition that Rhaegar had to give his services in return. He agreed thinking he can go once the battle is over or even if he can’t go, his son and wife will be safe. The MFG sent his best follower. He disguised as Rhaegar and went into the battle. Now look these assassins are good bit what are they in front of an army?,so Robert killed a many faced assassin thinking he was Rhaegar. Bit he was too late, Lyanna died due to child birth, and his son was taken by Ned Stark. His family was killed, he lost the crown and they were hunting every Targareon they could find. Rhaegar didn’t have a purpose in life. So he became a follower of tge MFG for life.
      Taking a new name, a new face(maybe who knows it’s not like many in westeros know what he looked like) and transformed from Rhaegar to Jaqen h’ghar. He didn’t even have to go through that much training because he was already very good. Just a theory, what do you think.

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    41. OkayestWife,

      If Theon is sacrificed to bring Jon back, does Jon come back with the same… shortcomings that Theon had? I can’t imagine the cock-merchant makes his way North of The Wall too often…

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    42. ghost of winterfell: Jon will not stay dead for too many episodes. Not only would his storyline lose all impact if that were the case,

      Perhaps they will resurrect Jon early on in the season, but he will not be all there… the amount of time (days-week?) will affect him and make it more difficult to re-claim himself, maybe Sansa helps him remember? then BBowl

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    43. From the EW interview:

      ON A LONG-AWAITED CHANGE OF COSTUME

      MURRAY: When we were at the premiere in San Francisco last year, Dan Weiss came up to me and said, ‘Two words, new costume,’ and I’ve never been so excited in my life. I had one costume the whole way through the show. I had the worst costume, categorically the worst. I was having adjustments done or something on set and Kit looks at me and he’s like, ‘You’re costume is so awful, so awful.’ It’s like a variety of sacks layered over each other. In season 4, I got really excited because they gave me an apron. I was so jealous of those King’s Landing girls, different outfit every f—ing scene. I can’t say anymore about what it might be, but it was a real treat. It was so much fun.

      At the risk of sounding superficial, I’m really looking forward to this. I’m envisioning something along the lines of this ostensibly comedic, yet emotionally significant scene where Sam and Gilly arrive at Horn Hill, at which point Sam’s mother and sister take a liking to Gilly. While Sam’s busy dealing with his father, they decide that they’re going to lend Gilly some of their clothes and arrange a little surprise. Later, Gilly descends the stairs in her new attire, and Sam sees her in a real dress for the first time. The poor guy nearly passes out before regaining his composure. It’s initially played for laughs, but afterwards it becomes an extremely sweet moment.

      Hannah Murray is a beautiful woman, for those of you who somehow haven’t yet gotten that impression from watching the show.

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    44. Frikidoctor just leaked the entire summary of episode 2, for those who speak Spanish, so beware of any spoiler or translations if you want to stay Unsullied when the episode airs.

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    45. Hi,
      I don’t really participate in the discussions on this site, but I just want to say how glad I am that I found this site. Previous year I followed the discussions about GoT on westeros.org, but I kinda hated everyone there. Almost everyone over there just watches the show to Linda about it. I read the books, too, but I hate all this ‘it’s-not-like-it-was-in-the-books-so-it-sucks’-talk. The same is happening on Facebook, Imdb, etc. WotW feels like an oasis of positivity and rationality. ofcourse there is some criticism about the show here too, which is normal as the show does have its flaws. But I feel like this is the only place on the internet where there isn’t some hate campaign happening by the book readers (I always wonder how many of these actually had read or even heard of ASOIAF before the show aired). I really feel at home here and love to read the discussions and insights in these comment sections, and the articles of course. Thank you WotW and everybody here! Enjoy season 6! 🙂

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    46. viki,

      Yes, I hope they spend sometime examining the effects of death and resurrection of Jon’s psyche, how does it change him, how does he deal with it etc.

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    47. ghost of winterfell:
      viki,

      Yes, I hope they spend sometime examining the effects of death and resurrection of Jon’s psyche, how does it change him, how does he deal with it etc.

      He becomes a bloodthirsty vengeful psycho 😀 Instead of killing Ramsay they just join up together to make all of westeros bleed.
      Wouldn’t that be a twist?

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    48. Icekhione,

      Only the opening scene as far as I know.

      Edit: You’re right, the whole summary is out. Could be fake, but come on HBO, get it under control already.

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    49. JSPR_G,

      I agree 100%. It’s great that there’s a community that doesn’t just hate on the book/show differences but still manages to engage in valid criticism.

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    50. I belive Blackfish will take out the Freys in an ambush with some help from Brienne perhaps.And Jon with Sansa will get rid of the Boltons for good. 🙂 PS:Arya has her own problems to deal first,and at the end of the season he will probably head back home.

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    51. Jared,

      Do I smell a makeover montage?

      I have to say, as much as I like Gilly, I’ll always see sweet sweet Cassie from Skins when I look at her. I hope she’ll never meet Gendry because that would take me right out of it 🙂

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    52. 10-15 minutes for the battle this episode is perfect, needs time to show off with all the stuff that is going to happen on that scene.

      According to IMDb the length is 56 min. so the time for each storyline probably would be, imo:

      – Bran/Winterfell vision: 15 min. give us time to catch up with Bran, Meera, Hodor!, and company since they have been missing Season 5, and the Winterfell vision with Lyanna, Ned, Bran I (?, little Hodor, Benjen and Rickard (so Hyped to see that) needs time to see all of this upcoming beautiful scene.

      – Meeren: with Tyrion, the crew talk and the look to the dragons needs at leats 10 minutes.

      – The north: With Ramsay and his plan of assault Castle Black and Brienne talking with Sansa and telling her Arya is still alive, can´t wait to see that, 10 minutes too.

      – Kings Landing: According to the preview and the clip, Jaime and High Sparrow have a confrontation next to the body of dead Myrcella, and looks like is going to be a councel between Tommen, Cersei, zombie-Mountain, Pycelle, Kevan Lannister probably and Qyburn, would love to see Littlefinger right there but probably he just go to the north again after last season. 10-12 minutes.

      – Battle on the Wall hype: This scene needs 15 minutes or close to that time.

      Man, this episode looks awesome! can´t wait

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    53. Dammit! I don´t know how they´re going to deal with the Pyke and Greyjoys scene and the time, so much storylines in this episode.

      and Arya scene of couse.

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    54. What the fuck is a Lommy?: 10-15 minutes for the battle this episode is perfect, needs time to show off with all the stuff that is going to happen on that scene.

      I think you’re severely overstimating what the conflict will be. You shouldn’t expect a battle. The time will be up for Davos and company, Alliser will try to enter the room, and the wildlings will storm the castle with Wun Wun and… that’s it. I don’t think you should expect much of a battle from the dozens of mutineers. Wun Wun will kill a few guys in impressive ways, I’m sure, but beyond that there shouldn’t be much of a battle.

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    55. Flayed Potatoes,

      Bunk! Bunk, I say! All of his spoilers are way too good to be true. The only thing I’ll say for certain is, there is not going to be a battle at castle black. Thorne & co. will surrender very quickly.

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    56. Hmm actually I just noticed Dave Hill wrote episode 2. I think this means that Jon definitely won’t be resurrected in episode 2 as D & D get to write all of the juicy episodes.

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    57. Episode 2 summary has been leaked so be very careful when you navigate the Internet until tomorrow.
      I am a weak man yet I managed not to give in and closed the video with the episode 2 spoilers before anything was revealed.
      The poster confirms that episode 2 is EPIC and suggests staying away from spoilers as it would ruin all the breath-taking scenes happening in this episode!

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    58. Krish:
      Joffrey’s Cunt,
      The first 2 seasons joffrey was the main villain. Then Ramsay came along , joffrey bite the dust. Now euron comes along, time up for Ramsey? Hope so

      It just prediction but does anyone think that

      Euron will kill Theon? Simply because it seems Theon didn’t have much of stroyline left (i believe he already has his redemption already) and Alfie once said that there’s one scene that he looks forward to with Euron actor

      Get hypeeee!

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    59. Luka Nieto: I think you’re severely overstimating what the conflict will be. You shouldn’t expect a battle. The time will be up for Davos and company, Alliser will try to enter the room, and the wildlings will storm the castle with Wun Wun and… that’s it. I don’t think you should expect much of a battle from the dozens of mutineers. Wun Wun will kill a few guys in impressive ways, I’m sure, but beyond that there shouldn’t be much of a battle.

      personally I would be a little disappointed if the battle doesn´t take place.

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    60. Luka Nieto:
      Well let’s just say that episode 2 might be one of the best episodes of the series if what i heard is true,GET HYPED MOTHERFUCKERS ! Please don’t delete this comment,i didn’t say anything specific .

      Oh man, 2 days. GET HYPE!!

      Sorry, not 2, ONE!! lol. tomorrow, GET EVEN MORE HYPE!!

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    61. So many people saying this episode is EPIC, I only hope it means what I think it must mean!! I won’t look now and will wait to see the actual episode, the suspense is killing me though!

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    62. Jack Bauer 24: I’m starting to feel that way. Davos, Sansa, Edd, etc can round up Northern forces for 6 episodes. There really isn’t a need for Jon to do that all season.

      I think Jon needs to be present/seen to initiate things. Davos doesn’t know Sansa. Why would he get involved with the business of the North if not for Jon?

      Masterofthrones:
      So Sansa arrives at Castle Black, says ‘I’m Sansa Stark’ and Davos and Mel will follow her? I don’t believe that.

      Jon will struggle leaving the NW. Ramsey sends a massage to Jon and order him to send Sansa to him or he will attack Castle Black. Jon sends Sansa away in order to unite the North against the Boltons.

      When Jon knows about Ramsey having Rickon, he decide to leave the NW, go the Wildlings, go to the Northern Lords, convince them to fight with the Wildlings, joining Sansa and sending Sansa to LF for help.

      All before ep 9.

      So I think Jon will be resurrected in ep3, maybe ep 4.

      Yeah, those are the eps I hope we’ll see the resurrection. While I would love to see the Stark reunion to happen by then (and for Sansa to witness the resurrection), I have a feeling D&D will push it back to a much later episode (possibly even ep9). I think the North story will be based loosely on the events in the books:

      [ spoiler ]Sansa decides not to go to CB because she knows Ramsay will look for her there. She starts her quest to find allies to take back WF. Ramsay sends Jon the pink letter demanding that he turn over Sansa to him or he will kill Rickon (his “gift” from the Umbers). However, Rickon is not the real Rickon (ala Jeyne Poole/fake Arya). (This one is totally wishful thinking on my part because I don’t want to see another Stark suffering from Ramsay’s hands!) Jon, rezzed by then, asks Davos to look for Sansa (just like in the books, except he asked him to look for Rickon). Davos meets Sansa at the Bear Islands and helps her rally the northmen. Sansa learns from him about Jon and Rickon (which could explain her glum expressions in the trailers and photos – I mean, the monster has her youngest brother!) and that Jon plans to storm WF to save Rickon and take back WF. Jon & the wildlings march to WF but are outnumbered by the Boltons. Sansa and her recruits join them and all together defeat the Boltons. Jon and Ramsay fight to the finish and of course Jon wins. He doesn’t kill him though but lets Ghost eat his face. What about the real Rickon? My guess: He and Osha will be revealed in ep10 to be hiding in a remote village. He’s training to be Someone. (Hey, if Arya can be No One, maybe he can be Someone.)[/ spoiler]

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    63. Luka Nieto:
      Well let’s just say that episode 2 might be one of the best episodes of the series if what i heard is true,GET HYPED MOTHERFUCKERS ! Please don’t delete this comment,i didn’t say anything specific .

      Yea I won’t say anything other than…there are 2 things in this episode that will pretty much make obvious to everyone that what D&D said recently about “the show not spoiling the books” is simply patently untrue.

      And yea, I’m not one of those that writes get hype! or any of that crap…usually.

      But…

      GET HYPE!!!!!!

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    64. Luka Nieto,

      Are you reffering to the Spanish video …
      I don’t know Spanish can you guide me to find one on English or you can put it in spoiler …if its OK with mods .

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    65. Jack Bauer 24: I’m starting to feel that way. Davos, Sansa, Edd, etc can round up Northern forces for 6 episodes. There really isn’t a need for Jon to do that all season.

      I think Jon needs to be present/seen to initiate things. Davos doesn’t know Sansa. Why would he get involved with the business of the North if not for Jon?

      Masterofthrones:
      So Sansa arrives at Castle Black, says ‘I’m Sansa Stark’ and Davos and Mel will follow her? I don’t believe that.

      Jon will struggle leaving the NW. Ramsey sends a massage to Jon and order him to send Sansa to him or he will attack Castle Black. Jon sends Sansa away in order to unite the North against the Boltons.

      When Jon knows about Ramsey having Rickon, he decide to leave the NW, go the Wildlings, go to the Northern Lords, convince them to fight with the Wildlings, joining Sansa and sending Sansa to LF for help.

      All before ep 9.

      So I think Jon will be resurrected in ep3, maybe ep 4.

      Yeah, those are the eps I hope we’ll see the resurrection. While I would love to see the Stark reunion to happen by then (and for Sansa to witness the resurrection), I have a feeling D&D will push it back to a much later episode (possibly even ep9). I think the North story will be based loosely on the events in the books:

      [ spoiler ] Sansa decides not to go to CB because she knows Ramsay will look for her there. She starts her quest to find allies to take back WF. Ramsay sends Jon the pink letter demanding that he turn over Sansa to him or he will kill Rickon (his “gift” from the Umbers). However, Rickon is not the real Rickon (ala Jeyne Poole/fake Arya). (This one is totally wishful thinking on my part because I don’t want to see another Stark suffering from Ramsay’s hands!) Jon, rezzed by then, asks Davos to look for Sansa (just like in the books, except he asked him to look for Rickon). Davos meets Sansa at the Bear Islands and helps her rally the northmen. Sansa learns from him about Jon and Rickon (which could explain her glum expressions in the trailers and photos – I mean, the monster has her youngest brother!) and that Jon plans to storm WF to save Rickon and take back WF. Jon & the wildlings march to WF but are outnumbered by the Boltons. Sansa and her recruits join them and all together defeat the Boltons. Jon and Ramsay fight to the finish and of course Jon wins. He doesn’t kill him though but lets Ghost eat his face. What about the real Rickon? My guess: He and Osha will be revealed in ep10 to be hiding in a remote village. He’s training to be Someone. (Hey, if Arya can be No One, maybe he can be Someone.) [/ spoiler]

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    66. Luka Nieto,

      Just finished watching that video. HOLY CRAP. Can’t wait for Sunday.

      How the HELL did this guy know though? I hope this doesn’t keep happening a couple days before each episode.

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    67. Guys, just go to the forum if you wanna talk about the spoilers. Sue must really be getting frustrated at this point.

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    68. dragonbringer:
      Luka Nieto,

      Are you reffering to the Spanish video …
      I don’t know Spanish can you guide me to find one on English or you can put it in spoiler …if its OK with mods .

      I think Sue and the other mods would frown upon posting links to spoilers before the episode airs. I don’t think there are any English videos.

      I think the show may have a “Spain leak” problem this year with someone clearly in the know feeding information to Spanish sites??

      That said…episode 2 sounds amazing! “The show won’t spoil the books anymore” D&D, freaking liers! LOL.

      GET HYPE (yea, I know I said I usually don’t write that.)

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    69. Luka Nieto:
      Well let’s just say that episode 2 might be one of the best episodes of the series if what i heard is true,GET HYPED MOTHERFUCKERS ! Please don’t delete this comment,i didn’t say anything specific .

      WTF? I didn’t write this. This wasn’t me. Impersonating someone else is not cool. Especially with ban-worthy references to leaks.

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    70. George,
      Hmm you are right mods will not be happy ..

      Last year also leaks came from spain right. Not surprising that’s where Linda lives right ..

      Can you post it in the forums in one of topic so we can have the discussions over there .

      Glaf episode sounds awesome cant wait to see

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    71. Sam,

      I would like this. For the record: I don’t believe Rickon will be in the hands off the Boltons. But if, if, the question is: where is Osha? And is everything good with her. She won’t die ofscreen I quess. But Jon, Sansa and al the others don’t know Osha, so if Ramsey kills Osha, no one cares.

      So if Rickon will be at the Boltons in ep 3, poor Osha will die in ep 3. But, why would the Umbers handing over Rickon, after they protected him for so long. And so soon?

      The only answer could be: the wildlings. But they don’t know the wildlings will join the army of Sansa and Jon until J and S told them. And it would happen much later this season, not in ep 3.

      That is why I don’t think Ramsey talks to Rickon when he is saying: do you like games little man? He is talking to Waldas little baby. After he killed Walda and Roose.

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    72. Masterofthrones: The only answer could be: the wildlings. But they don’t know the wildlings will join the army of Sansa and Jon until J and S told them. And it would happen much later this season, not in ep 3.

      Jon has already settled them in the Gift, quite close to Last Hearth. That may be more than enough.

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    73. dragonmcmx:
      I made a thread over in the TV discussion forum. Head there if you wanna discuss the spoilers.

      I can’t find it. Do you have a link to your thread?

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    74. Pounce,

      Episode 1 leak was much bigger actually. We had screencaps (eliminating the possibility that it might be fake), multiple summaries, and eventually even the complete episode subtitles showed up.

      This is just a summary by a supposedly reliable source, but there really isn’t any proof.

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    75. Luka Nieto,

      Yeah but they told people to go to the forums, and didn’t remove anything there.

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Go to the forums page, select “Game of Thrones TV discussion” (the one on top). The thread is called “SPOILERS: Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 2 Leak Discussion”, should be the 4th or 5th from the top.

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    76. dragonbringer:
      Pounce,

      The difference I think is episode one was confirmed spoilers..but this I think is more of an speculation and unconfirmed

      Well the guy in the video said that it’s from the same source that gave him the leak for episode 1.

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    77. dragonbringer,

      It’s 99% legit though. The guy will not risk to lose his subscribers. He’s saying the truth.
      I myself didn’t read the spoilers but everyone’s reaction seems to suggest that il will be crazy good.

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    78. Matt,

      I do think balon is a goner. May be asha and theon has to run for their life. I think he won’t be psycho like Ramsey and Geoffrey. He will be just pure evil

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    79. dragonmcmx:
      Luka Nieto,

      Yeah but they told people to go to the forums, and didn’t remove anything there.

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Go to the forums page, select “Game of Thrones TV discussion” (the one on top). The thread is called “SPOILERS: Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 2 Leak Discussion”, should be the 4th or 5th from the top.

      It’s no longer there? :/

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    80. Pounce:
      What the fuck is a Lommy?,

      You’re completely overestimating the time spend in each locations. The episode is 52 minutes minus the credits.

      I don´t know how they are gonna able to deal with all the storylines and the time of the scenes, so many stories.

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    81. What the fuck is a Lommy?,

      – The Wall (10 minutes)
      – King’s Landing (9 minutes)
      – Sansa, Theon, Brienne / Boltons (8 minutes)
      – Iron Islands (8 minutes)
      – Meereen (7 minutes)
      – Bran (7 minutes)
      – Arya (3 minutes)

      I think it will be something like this.

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    82. taim: sometimes these kind of interviews make me think that Jon is coming back later this season:/ the way he is talking about it. Maybe he is going to serve Sansa and Jon is going to swoop in later at the battle…

      I’m positive Jon will be in at least 5 episodes. Because if Kit’s in less than that, he doesn’t get counted as part of the ensemble for various award nominations. That was an issue last year for someone, I forgot who, who was only in 4 episodes and so didn’t get listed as part of the ensemble cast.

      There’s also the story reasons I think he’ll back before then; but those are more opinions. This is too, but I really don’t see Kit’s agent letting him be in less than 5 episodes; and HBO needs to stay on good terms with him as they figure out whatever contractual issues they need to for filming the series’ endgame.

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    83. dragonmcmx,

      i cant believe you can be so hypocritical as to get on your high horse about people saying ‘hodor’ at the top of a thread…

      and then here you are breaking the actual rules discussing an episode leak hours before the actual show is on.
      sure if you really cant wait yourself and need instant gratification all the time then thats your tragic choice,
      but dont impose your lack of self control on those of us that are wise enough to know we’ll enjoy the show better if we just have the patience to wait.
      its really selfish and out of order!

      i personally dont want to hear any talk about it, or anyone else’s reaction to someone else’s talk about it ffs

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    84. Pounce:
      What the fuck is a Lommy?,

      – The Wall (10 minutes)
      – King’s Landing (9 minutes)
      – Sansa, Theon, Brienne / Boltons (8 minutes)
      – Iron Islands (8 minutes)
      – Meereen (7 minutes)
      – Bran (7 minutes)
      – Arya (3 minutes)

      I think it will be something like this.

      I think that’s pretty much spot on, actually.

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    85. LastKiss,

      Oh come on, the hodor thing was a suggestion. If you people wanna keep on hodoring, I have no problem with that. I simply made a suggestion and stated how I felt about the whole thing. You people are making a much bigger deal about it than I ever did.

      Sue herself has said previously that leaks are not to be discussed on these posts, and that we should head to the forums if we really wanna talk about them. This thread was already spiralling out of control, people were asking for links, how long do you think it would’ve taken for a full fledged discussion to take place here?

      Besides, not one of my comments on this thread mentioned wether the episode was good or bad or how hyped I was. All of those came from other people.

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    86. Dee,
      Dee,

      Exactly. I doesn’t even read like me. I don’t usually yell “HYPE MOTHERFUCKERS”. Glad somebody noticed 😛

      Still, I read some of the spoilers. If true, hype is warranted.

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    87. Pounce,

      Thank you
      Okay – so they may not be true.

      Hahaha why would someone impersonate Luka? So weird lol
      I had a feeling it wasn’t him. He doesn’t talk like that lol

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    88. Pounce:
      What the fuck is a Lommy?,

      – The Wall (10 minutes)
      – King’s Landing (9 minutes)
      – Sansa, Theon, Brienne / Boltons (8 minutes)
      – Iron Islands (8 minutes)
      – Meereen (7 minutes)
      – Bran (7 minutes)
      – Arya (3 minutes)

      I think it will be something like this.

      That would be good, though I would give more time to Arya and Bran scenes.

      Specially Bran, because the vision, oh man I can´t wait.

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    89. Fez,

      There is something about Liam’s statement:
      “From the get-go this season, there’s an immediate threat to his life. Melisandre is there as well and the powers she has may prove to be very useful.”
      It makes me wonder if perhaps Melisandre doesn’t resurrect Jon, but instead glamours someone (Davos, Edd, Tormund) to look like him and take his place.

      This would explain how Jon stays dead while Kit is still in the show.

      After all, Mel doesn’t have resurrection powers, but we know she has glamour powers, as shown.

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    90. A flayed man none: It makes me wonder if perhaps Melisandre doesn’t resurrect Jon, but instead glamours someone (Davos, Edd, Tormund) to look like him and take his place.

      That would be an utter disappointment if you ask me. There is no point in having ToJ, and all those previous hints about Jon if it isn’t actually him who’s doing the stuff.

      And why would anyone want to be glamoured as the traiterous bastard Lord Commander? That doesn’t sound like a very fortunate role to assume.

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    91. We have seen Davos take up Longclaw in preparation to fight.

      What if Melisandre glamours him, so that he faces Thorne and the rest of the Night’s Watch as it’s seemingly resurrected Lord Commander?

      Thorne would be standing in a puddle of his own making.

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    92. Mihnea,

      I’m not saying it will happen, only that it could.

      I can’t be the only one who has considered this.

      It’s certainly a lot more realistic than resurrection, which will be seen as a cop-out no matter how it’s played.

      I don’t see even a resurrected Jon Snow leaving the Night’s Watch. Although, that is a compelling reason for why ep 3 is titled “Oathbreaker.”

      Just conversation here.

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    93. ghost of winterfell,

      I’m with you on this hope and not looking at the leaks. I’m thinking that will work best with the episode titles and make for a more fast moving, exciting story line in the north.

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    94. A flayed man none,

      I think only a handful of people will see this as a cop out. I think a majority of people will see a glamour as jumping the shark. The glamour and the warg theories will not be taken well by show only watchers.

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    95. Louis,

      I agree that it would be disappointing, but you have to consider why.

      What if Mel was only able to resurrect Jon by putting him in someone else’s body? Would you be happy with Davos sacrificing himself to become the new Jon?

      Of course not.

      Everybody wants Kit back as the Jon Snow they know and love. It’s not the character, or the actor you want. It’s both.

      So what if resurrection changes him somehow?

      Again, this is just food for thought.

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    96. Louis:
      dragonmcmx,

      Agreed I think the show is asking for trouble if they pull something like that. These are the moments that make or break a show IMO.

      A glamoured Jon wouldn’t have his fighting abilities.

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    97. Louis,

      In a show where beloved characters die continuously, bringing back one of the most popular ones is a convenient departure. Plus, it undermines the real threat of death that gives the series its gravitas.

      I don’t doubt that this is why the LSH plot was never added to the show while Thoros and Beric’s storyline was. But you can’t say that having everyone else die for real while golden boy Snow gets a magical second chance won’t undermine the role of death in this show.

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    98. Jack Bauer 24,

      Yet Jaime Lannister still lives.

      Jon Snow’s fighting abilities are not legendary. He’s just better than all the rapists and murderers that make up the Watch.

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    99. A flayed man none,

      Well said but I think a lot of people are failing to realize something. At what point does the cliché become that all the loved characters end up dying the bad guys do win sometimes. Its going to be done over and over until people just wont care anymore. Its time for the good guys to start winning in the show.

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    100. I went to bed and this post had like 83 comments and now it has 193, damn. Also, if episode 2 is really epic like some of you say, I’m not wanting to be spoiled at all like last Sunday. I want to be surprised. Lol peace homies. Making pancakes.

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    101. Louis,

      I don’t think of it as cliché, rather it’s one of the underlying themes of the entire story, and what makes it so compelling. Thrones is not your standard “good vs. evil” fantasy tripe, it’s a realistically-colored world in a fantasy setting.

      Look at the real world. How many people do you know that have attained money and power by doing good deeds through honorable means? It doesn’t work that way. Good tends to lose to evil because it cannot do what evil can.

      Even the show’s morally bankrupt characters have realistic human motivations. They are not just evil for evil’s sake. Ramsay is a sociopath, but he still craves his father’s approval.

      And the “good guys” DO win from time to time. But they are little victories, and because Thrones is so good at creating believable characters on both sides, those “victories” are often bittersweet. Consider Joffrey’s death. Everyone wanted it, but watching it was brutal and agonizing. Consider Cirsei’s walk. While it was good to see her get her comeuppance, as a good person, you couldn’t witness it without feeling somewhat sorry for her.

      This is not a series that’s known for giving its audience what they want, and generally not what they expect, either.

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    102. A flayed man none: Yet Jaime Lannister still lives.

      Lol, what?

      Louis: Well said but I think a lot of people are failing to realize something. At what point does the cliché become that all the loved characters end up dying the bad guys do win sometimes. Its going to be done over and over until people just wont care anymore. Its time for the good guys to start winning in the show.

      The “good guys” (though a better word would be “protagonists”) in this show are individuals, not parts of a whole. And all of their stories are trucking along. Tyrion, Daenerys, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Davos, Jaime, Brienne, Theon, Jon (yes, Jon). When people say it’s time for the “good guys to start winning” I’m not even sure what that means in the great scheme of things. Does it mean that the Starks need to take control of the North once more? In a story like this one, I’m sure even that will have serious (negative) repercussions. Does it mean Sansa needs to stop suffering? OK, but the heart of the story is very much about the individual as opposed to the whole, so it’s fitting that the protagonists continue to have conflicts thrown their way seeing as we’re not yet at the end of the story.

      When we talk about “good guys not winning” I think we mainly still have Ned, Catelyn and Robb in our minds as major characters. But, aside from Jon (which seriously guys, he doesn’t count – he was a total fakeout and he’s coming back) when has the story taken down one of the main protagonists since the RW? Oberyn? He’s minor. Show-Doran? MINOR. Stannis? Davos is the protagonist of Stannis’ story. There are main characters, and they are the ones who we will see through to the end. “Good guys need to start winning” is a very reductive way to think about this tale, I think.

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    103. When Mel and Stannis threw leeches, he said usurper Robb,Balon,Joffrey, 2/3 died
      NOW EURON COMES AAAAND…

      HE KILLS BALON, MEL MAGIC WORKS AGAIN, SHE GETS POWER AND RESSURECTS JON !!

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    104. Sullied by Knight:
      Black Raven,

      Me, too.I lose my screen name and e-mail address.I was using a private window and clearing my cache every once in a while, but I found that I could set my allowable cache to zero and that has helped quite a bit.

      That’s what I have to do also. i.e. clear the cache/recent history and then the page updates Ok. I also have to replace my screen name and email each time… I use Firefox.

      I never had this problem when WotW was hosted on the old server. Only since it has moved onto this new server. Looks like quite a few of us are experiencing this problem! Perhaps someone in the team who maintains this site knows about this is and looking into it?

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    105. kit_hepburn,

      I’ve seen and read all the threads about how everyone is a gray character and how no one is truly a “good guy” but everyone has their bias and I consider some to be good while others I consider bad there are people who believe Jon is traitor who deserved to die while also thinking Jamie is some great redeemer everyone has their opinion that’s what makes the story great. However I’m not going to use the no one is a good guy no one is a bad guy rule to change my view of the story. I only read and watch and let my own conscious decide who I believe to be good and bad.

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    106. kit_hepburn,

      The Starks(Sansa and Jon) vs The Boltons. The Starks need to win this one and Roose and Ramsay have to go.

      However I can almost see it now Ramsay surviving the battle and people arguing that this isn’t some fantasy cliche where the heroes win.

      The plot I feel calls for certain things and with the Red Wedding with Neds beheading you understood how each event moved the plot forward there comes a point where subverting the (Protagonist) isn’t beneficial to the plot anymore.

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    107. Black Raven: That’s what I have to do also. i.e. clear the cache/recent history and then the page updates Ok. I also have to replace my screen name and email each time… I use Firefox.

      I never had this problem when WotW was hosted on the old server. Only since it has moved onto this new server. Looks like quite a few of us are experiencing this problem! Perhaps someone in the team who maintains this site knows about this is and looking into it?

      Same here. Site works worse for me after the server update, which is weird because I thought the maintenance was supposed to fix things.

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    108. Louis,

      If you think this has a happy ending then you haven’t been paying attention.

      I would say that the most dissatisfying thing this show could do would be to wrap everything up in a neat, happily-ever-after bow where your favorite characters come shining through. It would undermine everything the story has done to become so engaging, reducing it to the level of a Disney fairytale.

      We don’t need to see “good” triumph to know that we are on the right side of it. We need to see WHY that side is worth fighting and cheering for, in victory or defeat.

      “Good guys winning” isn’t a story anyone over the age of 7 is interested in. I know I’m certainly not.

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    109. Louis,

      I think there’s little doubt that Sansa and Jon will win over the Boltons. Both Roose and Ramsay are toast.

      However, I also think that the battle they wage, and the outcome of said battle is going to have serious, serious (negative) repercussions for Westeros. *That’s* going to be the subversion, not having the “bad guys” defeat the “good guys” again. It’s going to be that the good guys defeat the bad guys and everything still goes down the crapper (in my estimation anyway).

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    110. OkayestWife,

      That really does not seem so far fetched, that Melissandra could want to sacrifice Theon. Wasn’t there a released chapter from WoW where Stannis wanted to execute Theon? As I recall the chapter ended before a decision was made, but if Theon is slated to die at the wall anyway…? Am I delusional: My memory could be fuzzy.

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    111. A flayed man none,

      Right on! Whenever my sister tells me that the ending she wants is for Jon to marry Dany and live happily ever after with a brood of Targaryen brats, I cringe and remind her that she is reading GRRM and not Jane Austen!

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