Game of Thrones Season 6 Finale – The Winds of Winter Recap

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What can you expect in the Game of Thrones Season 6 Finale?

Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood. All that and more.

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read the A Song of Ice and Fire series. The post and the comments section will contain spoilers from the novels! Because no, we are not all Unsullied now. If you haven’t read the books yet, please check out our non-book-reader recap. Thanks!

Ah, Game of Thrones. There’s nothing else like it on television. This show had me losing it before the episode even started, thanks to the Tower of Joy and Lyanna mentions in the “Previously On.” The feeling only grew with the ineffable rightness of seeing the Stark direwolf restored to Winterfell in the opening credits. I clapped, goddammit. I actually clapped.

So did the episode live up to the hype?

Oh hell yes. But let’s jump back and recap a bit. (A lot. That’s how I roll.)

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The season finale of Game of Thrones opened up with a stunning sequence, depicting the trial of Loras Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister’s cunning method of using their attempt to bring her down as a way of destroying her enemies. With the scenes set to Ramin Djawadi’s lovely and unsettling “Light of the Seven” (on the newly released season 6 soundtrack, GO GET IT), we’re treated to the players preparing themselves for the big day (Cersei in her best Tywin Lannister cosplay) and gathering in the sept of Baelor.

Loras’s trial is a painful drama, with him forced by the High Sparrow to play his part to rob the Tyrells of their heir. Of course Cersei doesn’t show for her role in the affair, and Margaery wisely catches on that something is afoot, but too late. Cersei’s vengeance has already begun. Grand Maester Pycelle is viciously slaughtered by Qyburn’s little birds, while Lancel is lured underground to witness the lighting of the wildfire caches stored beneath the sept. (Cersei’s special punishment for the lover for who betrayed her, fitting since Lancel had a close shave with death at the Blackwater when he was injured.)

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The wildfire explosion kills Lancel, Margaery, Loras, High Sparrow, Mace Tyrell, Kevan Lannister and everyone else in the sept, while Cersei glories in it from the Red Keep (with a glass of wine, I mean this is Cersei). It’s a gruesome sight, the good and the admirable people going up in green flames along with the hateful. Cersei did save one enemy from the fire- Septa Unella, whom she hands over to the Mountain for horrifying up close and personal time.

But there is one casualty of the widespread slaughter that Cersei didn’t anticipate. Kept safely from the trial by his mother’s guard, Tommen is left alone to watch the smoking ruins of his wife and the sept of Baelor. The boy who never sought to be king removes his crown, and leaps from the Red Keep to his death. Poor Tommen. He was a good kid. He didn’t deserve the punishment of being crowned.

Cersei has achieved Rains of Castamere-style victory over those who tore her down, but nothing she did could keep Maggy the Frog’s prophecy from being fulfilled. Every step she took brought the doom closer.

This also confirms that the explosion we saw in Bran’s vision was of course a glimpse of the future, not the past. And that the Mad Queen we should probably be worried about is Cersei, not Daenerys.

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At the Twins, the Freys  are celebrating their victory in retaking Riverrun but Jaime just isn’t that interested. Not even banter with Bronn over women is picking him up.

Jaime: “Not my type.” Bronn: “Not blonde enough?” Are we talking about Cersei, Brienne, or both? I’m going with both.

He has a chat with Walder over the great victory in ending the siege, which is pretty weak since House Frey had to have their asses saved by the Lannisters. Walder draws comparisons between himself and Jaime, being kingslayers, and Jaime doesn’t care for that either. Unlike Walder Frey, he does care what people think of him, and Jaime’s growing unhappiness with his existence is apparent.

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In King’s Landing, Tommen’s death is confirmed as Cersei views his body. She is strangely calm, as though the grief has been burnt away. She orders his body to be turned to ash, and buried in the place where the sept once stood so that he can be with his siblings.

Next up, we catch  up with Sam and Gilly who have arrived in Oldtown, and can I just- I mean can I- holy jeez-

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Oldtown is supposed to be incredibly beautiful, and Game of Thrones delivers with a gorgeous first shot of the city, with the Hightower in all its glory, and white ravens (signaling winter) flying away.

Once arriving at the Citadel, the duo encounter a hilarious bureaucrat- apparently no one was informed of the changes at the Wall, so Sam’s not quite in as a student yet.

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But he does get a sneak peek at the library, and it is the stuff of nerd dreams. There isn’t any book-loving geek alive who doesn’t understand how Sam felt walking in that room. The awe-inspiring library, the endless shelves of books, and beams of light, and the hanging astrolabes (shout-out to the show’s opening credits!), all the knowledge Sam will have access to now… I cried.

And now I wonder if Sam will so easily be able to divide his loyalty between Gilly and the Citadel, if they accept him. Either way, I can’t wait to explore it more in season 7.

Jon and Melisandre

At Winterfell, the day of Melisandre’s reckoning has come. Davos confronts her with Shireen’s scorched toy stag, and the priestess admits to burning the girl at the stake in order to further their cause. Davos demands the right to execute her but Melisandre makes a strong case for her survival- she’s needed for the war to come against the White Walkers and the army of the dead. There’s also the little detail  that this woman raised Jon from the dead.

Jon compromises by exiling Melisandre to the south, with the warning that she’ll be hanged if she returns.

She leaves Winterfell but I doubt we’ve seen the last of Melisandre. She’s going south, Arya is south- Mel did say the two of them would meet again someday…

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Jon and Sansa sort out bedrooms (calm down, shippers) and Sansa admits she doesn’t trust Littlefinger, and that she should’ve told Jon about the Knights of the Vale before the battle. Jon reminds her that they need to trust each other, and they share a smile over the confirmation that winter has come.

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We pop down to Dorne for a quick visit that will undoubtedly piss off some ASOIAF fans due to the adaptation of Doran Martell’s well-known speech from A Feast for Crows.

Vengeance. Justice. Fire and blood.

But I liked the scene a lot. Doran’s already been killed and you gotta keep on moving. Yes I would have loved to see the original arc with Alexander Siddig giving the whole speech and blah blah blah, but that’s besides the point. What we saw onscreen tonight was good. We had Olenna reading the Snakes for filth because that’s what she does to people, we have Ellaria using diplomacy and cunning, and we have Varys stepping in to tie it all together, with the Martell-Targaryen alliance being born, with a side of Tyrell.

I think this episode is a good demonstration as well of the principle that a lot of time can pass in one episode of Game of Thrones, and people just have to roll with it sometimes. Varys is in Dorne, and pretty soon he’s going to be back in Essos. We can infer that the boring traveling happened.

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In Meereen, Daenerys gives her boytoy his walking papers, due to the practical necessity that she may have to make marital alliances down the road. Daario is refreshingly lacking in ego, willing to be her sidepiece even when she’s married, but Dany won’t do that. Daario and his Second Sons will be staying behind to help maintain peace in the city, and the khaleesi is moving on. But first she renames Slaver’s Bay “Bay of Dragons.” No ego here.

Afterward, talking it over with Tyrion, Dany admits that she felt nothing while ending it with her lover. Tyrion claims to suck at consoling but then delivers a touching declaration of his own. He’s never believed in anything, but he believes in her. Daenerys gives him a gift she’s had made- a Hand of the Queen pin.

(So now he’s totally going to die, right? Maybe Tyrion is the recurring exception to that rule.)

Arya Walder

Back at the Twins, Walder Frey is settling in to eat a heaping serving of pie, which isn’t surprising. He’s always eating or drinking, I’ve noticed. He’s a creature of avarice, always hungry for more.

Not anymore.

Old Walder is looking for his boys Black Walder and Lothar, but the serving girl informs him- they’re already here. As in, right there, in the pie he’s dining on. That’s right, it’s time for FREY PIE.

She tears the  face from her, and we see it’s Arya (I guess she swiped one on her way out of the House of Black and White?), relishing in Walder’s freakout. Arya identifies herself clearly, before slicing his throat and watching him bleeding out with barely contained sociopathic joy in her face.

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In the godswood at Winterfell, Littlefinger finds Sansa. He shares with her his hope, his vision for himself: him on the Iron Throne, with Sansa by his side. His vast ambition is not surprising considering the maneuvers he’s gone through in the past six seasons. He takes the opportunity to push for more distrust between her and her brother Jon.

Further north, Benjen brings Meera and Bran to a heart’s tree close to the Wall, and explains he can’t go any further with them due to the magic built into the Wall, keeping the dead from passing. He’ll keep on fighting for the living, but Showhands departs as quickly as he appeared.

Bran touches the tree, and dives back into a vision- the one we’ve all been waiting for, the Tower of Joy.

Robert Aramayo as Young Ned Stark and Aisling Franciosi as Lyanna Stark. Credit: Helen Sloan/ HBO

Robert Aramayo as Young Ned Stark and Aisling Franciosi as Lyanna Stark. Credit: Helen Sloan/ HBO

This time, Bran is able to follow his young father up into the tower, where Ned (Robert Aramayo) finds his younger sister Lyanna (Aisling Franciosi) lying in a pool of blood on a bed. Lyanna is dying, and we quickly find out where the blood came from- she’s just given birth. She pulls her brother close, and whispers:

“If Robert finds out, he’ll kill him. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned. Promise me.”

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Ned holds the baby, and with a swell of music, the show non-too-subtly cuts from the child to a close-up of Jon Snow’s face.

This is it, the answer. Sure they held back a little with that whisper- they’ll make us wait until next season to get the confirmation on Jon’s father, but with the Kingsguard watching over Jon’s birth at the Tower of Joy, there is little doubt who fathered this baby. Unless they pull a fast one, R+L=J, y’all.

Now we return to Winterfell for another edition of “Lyanna Mormont is better than all of you.”

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At a meeting of the northern lords (plus Littlefinger lurking suspiciously), Lyanna Mormont calls out the lords who didn’t rise to the Starks’ call to fight, and decides that bastard or not, Jon Snow is the king, the Stark, she’ll follow. Manderly and Glover apologize, and the assembled all declare Jon the new King in the North.

Now we know what makes little Lyanna Mormont smile- shaming old men into doing the right thing.

Jon Snow rises, the King in the North.

Sansa smiles too, but sees Littlefinger lying in wait, and we know there’s still mistrust and manipulations to be dealt with. Are Littlefinger’s insinuations working on Sansa or is she merely biding her time until she can find a way to smartly be rid of him?

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You thought we were finished? Not even. After skedaddling from the Twins, Jaime and Bronn have headed back to King’s Landing to find a smoking ruin in the city.

Jaime heads back into town and the Red Keep to find people assembled in the throne room. Cersei marches in, all fierceness in her new black gear with metallic accessories- and takes the throne. As Jaime watches warily from the back, Qyburn declares Cersei queen in her own right. The power she’s always wanted is finally hers. Not by right of birth or marriage, but because she took it.

Oh man, you’re all screwed now.

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And now, what you’ve all been waiting for, for seasons, books, decades- Daenerys departs Essos, heading westward from Meereen.

When we met Daenerys Targaryen, she was a frightened young girl with a mad brother and a rough marriage prospect. Now she’s headed back to Westeros with the might of the Greyjoys, the Tyrells, the Martells, the Unsullied, a Dothraki khalasar, Varys, Tyrion Lannister, Missandei…and three grown dragons.

Not bad, Dany. Not bad at all. Can anything stop her now?

Damn, almost forgot about those White Walkers, didn’t we.

Highlights/Thoughts:

The music: Ramin Djawadi has really stretched and outdone himself this season and this episode in particular. Beautiful work.

The Mad Queen: give Lena Headey that Emmy. But really that first 15-20 minutes or so was just incredible, so eerie and beautiful. The dread grew, and you know what was coming, but with the actors, the stabby children, the ghastly wildfire explosion, and Cersei’s icy vengeance, it was a stunner from start to finish.

The visuals: Give it up for the CGI people, and the writers and the director for their vision. The finish with Daenerys and her full following, Oldtown and the Citadel, the sept of Baelor and the trial, the godswood, and more. The episode was packed with eye candy.

GOT610_121515_HS__DSC8019[1]Lyanna Mormont: You better watch out, GoT actors. Bella Ramsey’s going to walk away with the whole show if you’re not careful. She’s aces every time she’s onscreen.

FREY PIE: I’m glad to see it happen, but at the same time, damn. That was stone cold terrifying. Arya has gone to a deep dark place and I’m worried about her, more than ever.

Still rowin’: Yep, another season without Gendry.

Adaptation quibbles? I’m not bothered by having Pycelle’s death-by-little-birds come at Cersei’s behest instead of Varys’s. And I mentioned up above what I thought of the Fire-and-Blood speech popping up a bit tonight. I was completely blown away by the episode and I think the choices were sound.

Bless the Queen of Thorns: we think it, she says it.

RIP:  Tommen, High Sparrow, Margaery, Loras, Mace (NOT NOW- okay, now, since you’re dead and all), Kevan, Pycelle, Lancel, Walder, Black Walder, Lothar. Unella will probably die terribly within a few days, given her company.

The only episode scene that lagged for me was Dany’s moment with Daario and Tyrion, until Tyrion took over and shared his  surprisingly genuine thoughts. I’m not invested enough in the Dany/booty-call romance to care, though I do wonder if Daario will turn up down the road, and use the Second Sons against her. He’s a sell-sword, not a lapdog, and the decision may bite her in the ass.

Another fabulous season of Game of Thrones has come and gone. Hard to believe it goes by so quickly! Soon enough we’ll be looking ahead at season 7, and the speculation and spoilers and wondering cycle begins anew. Thank you for joining us all season, and I hope you’ve enjoyed spending this time with us here at Watchers on the Wall!

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    1. Epic season finale!! Only complaint is lack of white Walkers but I feel like we’ll get them in spades next two seasons.

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    2. Amazing episode, and one of the best finales ever. 10/10. I’m not sure which is my favourite episode of the year.. Battle of the Bastards, or this. So many great pay-offs, confirmations, and surprises:

      -R+L=J confirmed!!!!! The scene was perfect! “Promise me…”

      -Walder Frey is dead! I suspected he might die… but I was shocked when she pulled off her face and turned out to be Arya!

      -I also suspected Cersei’s wildfire, but did NOT expect the Tyrells to die! Also did not expect Cersei to claim the Iron Throne for herself!

      -I knew Tommen would die tonight, but was shocked by his suiide!

      -I expected Jon to become Lord Stark… but did NOT expect him to be crowned King in the North! It was a cool scene (and Lady Mormont was awesome), but… was anyone else worried by this? Reminded me too much of Robb’s ill-fated claim.

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    3. Really wish Jorah could have been on that ship with Dany too. After all these years she finally leaves and he was a huge part of her journey

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    4. Pretty cool that we got Frey Pie and Manderly in the same episode, even if not the same scene. With Arya, Brienne, Sandor, and the Brotherhood all in the Riverlands, next season will start out with some more consolidation. Oh, and Melisandre is on her way there too.

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    5. We pop down to Dorne for a quick visit that will undoubtedly piss off some ASOIAF fans due to the adaptation of Doran Martell’s well-known speech from A Feast for Crows.

      Pissed off is putting it lightly. I was furious. They had a choice with Dorne: keep the Martells and the nuances of the Arianne v Quentyn succession fight and Doran’s long-game for vengeance, and ditch the Sand Snakes OR ditch the Martells, and keep the one dimensional Sand Snakes, with a one dimensional plotline. They made the wrong choice, and giving Doran’s defining speech to Ellaria was like one last slap in the face with in that regard.

      Aside from that, though, it was a phenomenal episode from start to finish. King in the North!

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    6. Dear D & D,
      Know that I now am looking, expectantly, to a scene where Ser Pounce consoles a weeping Cersei a la Mockingjay…
      Good day to you Sers,
      Deekan

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    7. That was the best damn episode in the entire 6 seasons.
      Yes we hopped on the TARDIS a fair bit but it was def required.
      Thanks D&D for finally giving us R+L=J. If we’d had to wait another year I think most of us would have popped a vessel or three.
      Wasn’t expecting Tommen to fly out of the window though.
      See y’all next year xx

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    8. How big is the Lannister army and who is supporting Cersei claim to the throne? Dany will annihilate her.

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    9. The wall didn’t come down, but the episode still ROCKED….Its been more than 3 hrs, but my raging boner still hasn’t subsided…

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    10. LYANNA MORMONT LYANNA STARK HYPE FOREVER!!!!!

      Giving Lyanna Mormont “the North Remembers” line – fuck yeah! Then she gives Jon a smile and Sansa is like so thrilled with her and I just YAY STARKS

      But also, I looooooooved that they showed Jon and Sansa smile about “Winter has come.” We’ve seen that be such an ominous line over and over, it’s the threat that hangs over all of them, but when they’re both finally home for two Starks it’s also a reminder of what their house means, what it stands for.

      I did not call Cersei crowning herself in a million years actually. I’m stunned. Cersei vs. the dragons I am so down.

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    11. Amazing season finale from start to finish. Season 7 speculation can begin since we are now in the home stretch

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    12. Hats off to Liam Cunningham though for making me, a grown ass man, cry. His scene with Carice and Kit was so moving. Justice for Shireen!

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    13. Anyone else thinks this episode will be the last time we see Baratheon stag on King’s Landing during opening credits?

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    14. Btw I thought Jon and Sansa were both freaking flawless. I was so thrilled how they handled that talk – that Jon acknowledged it was what she did that saved them, but she also just flat out apologized for not telling him, even if it did save them.

      I was on a Stark high until the actors and Benioff destroyed my buzz.

      Please for the love of the old gods and new, don’t give us this Jon vs. Sansa bullshit anymore. I know I thought it was coming, then I started to hope for the best, then I was thrilled with the episode….and now we get all this stuff about how Jon vs. Sansa is going to be an issue. And we know LF is going to fan the flames.

      People are not giving LF credit for how silver tongued he is, and Sansa is still vulnerable in some ways. She’s 10000% going to fall for it, for a time. I think it’ll be painful to watch Jon, declared King in the North, still be made to feel un-Stark

      BRAN get into a freaking weirwood and tell Sansa and Jon to cut it out I can’t take it.

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    15. A bit disappointed that Wyman Manderly was not as awesome as in the books, but the casting was spot on – don’t know the actor’s name, but he fit my mental image of Manderly.

      Loved that shot of Greyjoy banners and Theon – Theon was literally, finally, having moment under the sun to shine.

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    16. Seven hells.

      In terms of sheer scope and spectacle, that was probably the most epic finale ever. Some scenes, like Cersei’s checkmate and coronation, were absolutely fantastic. Others, like Arya killing Walder (with Frey Pie to boot!), felt a bit like fanservice. Overall a really solid finale though. Dany’s finally sailing home!!!!

      PS. Varys jaunting over to Dorne and back probably beats Littlefinger for most egregious teleportation on the show so far.

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    17. Good lord is there enough time between now and next season for all the Curtain Calls that need to happen?
      Loved the episode.

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    18. So I guess Sophie Turner wasn’t trolling when she said Arya would check 3 names off her list.

      1. Walder Frey
      2. Black Walder Frey
      3. Lothar Frey

      (The latter two should be added to the list of deaths, FYI.)

      And Red Wedding Revenge is officially done! Three years in the making.

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    19. Too late for Hodoring. So I’ll just say….

      SUE THE FURY!!!!

      Thanks for a season of great recaps, and for the site generally.

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    20. This episode also finally finally confirmed the thing I’ve always thought, which was that there were other people in the TOJ!!!

      Ned’s visions in the book were so hazy and dreamlike that there was never focus on detail, but it always struck me as impossible that Rhaegar sends his Kingsguard to guard Lyanna having their son, but she’s up there alone? no way.

      And we saw that there were two people. The camera even lingered on one of their reactions. Two other people who are (presumably?) alive who know that Lyanna Stark had Rhaegar’s son. Any chance that it becomes relevant?

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    21. Jack Bauer 24,

      I was wondering the same. Does the Redwyne fleet even exist in the show? In the final scene, Dany’s had ships with Martell and Tyrell banners. Dorne in the show is basically the Martells, but Reach is not equal to Tyrells. Cersei should get the support of other prominent Reach houses. Redwynes are not an option since Olenna won’t allow it, but maybe we’ll see some of House Hightower next season. Also Randyll Tarly might support Cersei to become Lord Paramount of the Reach (Mace is dead).

      I think they will also show the Lannisters under control of Storm’s End (for convenience) to make Cersei appear strong. That way she’ll have Westerlands, Crownlands, and Stormlands. Lannisters think they have the Riverlands too, but I doubt that will be true in season 7, with Arya dealing with the Freys.

      I really want Cersei to meet Euron before Dany reaches Westeros. It will be fun.

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    22. My god that was an outstanding episode of television.I’m not even upset that I have to wait a year loved that there were no cliffhangers.I know that we had been waiting so long for the tower scene but it did not dissapoint.They handled it perfectly it was so emotional making things clear but still leaving things to be explored next season.And the jump between the baby and adult Jon was so great I got chills

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    23. great episode iam surprised that they didnt submit this one for writing.

      i never knew who or what miguel sapochnik was before HardHome but that guy is officially one of the best director out there

      every visuals are just amazing and yes Bella ramsey is killing it as lyanna morment

      people who come up with darrio being something other than daario will just be disappointed ..just let it go already

      sam at citadel ..hopefully we get marwyn and sareela next season and we get into the whole how the citadel conspired against targs

      guess it was cersei’s crown in the end and she was rocking that costume

      and how cool was that we finally get to see wolf at winterfell in opening credits
      and targs banner in those ships

      theories confirmed :

      RLJ
      jon does have a targaryen name

      Cersei loves the power most and Dany is YMBQ who will take that away from her

      euron and cersei going to team up

      that mel scene with jon and davos is another parallel with dany jorah and barristan

      a lot of comments about how dany made tyrion answer in last episode …she has asked him to be advisor last season ..done nothing but listen to him ..dany as just acknowledged tyrion that something no one ever did to him not even his family…will people give credit for that ..

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    24. Emmy to Diana Rigg. Probably my favorite scene was Lady Olena Tyrell ripping apart the Sand Snakes…Well,that was one way to save the Dorne plot…Get in the cavalry to save the day. Thank you Diana Rigg for being soo awesome!

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    25. aabe,

      Tommen’s death officially wipes the Baratheon house off the map. (Remember, even though we know he’s a Lannister bastard, as far as Westeros is concerned it’s just a nasty rumor spread by the failed upsurer Stannis.)

      The Tyrells were all but wiped out as well. Only Onella remains, and she’s too old to produce heirs.

      The Lannisters are close to being wiped out as well. Only Tywin’s three kids remains, and right now they’re all childless. I doubt Cersei and Jaime will be producing baby #4 any time soon. Tyrion better get knocking soon.

      The Martells were wiped out by the Sand Snakes.

      The Tullys are pretty much gone as well. Edmure lives but is a prisoner. At least he has a son to carry on the name.

      The Boltons are officially wiped out as well, bastards or no bastards.

      At least the Greyjoys, the Starks, and the Targaryens are still around. Or … Are they?

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    26. aabe:
      Anyone else thinks this episode will be the last time we see Baratheon stag on King’s Landing during opening credits?

      Yep.

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    27. Nadia,

      Totally agree with everything here. Jon/Sansa needs to be done.

      On a separate note, the two deaths that I found most raw were Tommen and Lancel. Poor Tommen was manipulated his entire life, by his grandfather, by this mother, by his wife, and by the High Sparrow. He was constantly torn in all directions and incapable of making the “right” choice. He was never going to be a great leader, but it seemed like he honestly cared for the people of King’s Landing and Westerns and wanted to do right. It was so sad to think that his only true act of agency was leaping out of the window. That was the only time his decision was entirely his own. RIP, Tommen. And Lancel, after being humiliated, imprisoned, shamed, and tortured, received no resolution. He was truly “the broken man” and I found him so pitiable.

      I LOVED the King in the North scene, but it’s clear parallels with Robb makes me worried. KitN didn’t work out so well for the Young Wolf. I felt that a lot of the reticence in Sansa was an echo of Catelyn’s fears and misgivings when Robb was crowned. Also, nervous about poor Arya. She’s in a bad, bad place. I thought the ending of her time in the HoBaW would make her reclaim more of her true Stark self… but here she is skinning people and making them into pies with a smile. Damn.

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    28. I loved it all. Some of the smaller details were the most powerful…
      *Cersei dressing in black before anyone had died
      *Pycelle showing us his ‘younger self’ again in his curtain call
      *Finally getting to see how deadly the ‘little birds’ can be
      *Lancel reaching out to the candle
      *Margery remaining a smart player to the end
      *The camera shot on the window as Tommen prepared to jump to his death
      *Tommen’s silence as he jumped
      *Cersei’s revenge on Septa Unella. Poetic but glad I didn’t have to watch.
      *Shame shame shame
      *Tyrion receiving his pin and declaring that he finally believed in something
      *The release of the white ravens from Oldtown to coincide with Sam’s arrival
      *The Queen of Thorns cutting down the Sand Snakes
      *The camera shifting from the baby to Jon Snow’s face
      *The Red Woman’s tears over the mistakes she has made and stoic acceptance of her banishment
      *The tenderness shown between Jon and Sansa
      *Sansa remaining politic in her actions with LF
      *Lady Mormont’s very existence
      *The finger in the pie
      *Arya just being back in Westeros
      *The crowing of the king followed by the crowning of the queen followed by Dany coming to change everything
      *Seeing Cersei sitting on the throne. All these years she’s been a player yet no-one gave her any credit for it, but she proved them wrong.
      *The look Jamie gives his sister on the throne
      *The sun coming out from the clouds to shine down on Theon’s face
      *The mention of the new paint job and then seeing the new paint job
      *The music
      *The direction.
      Someone give that composer, that director and Lena Headey an Emmy stat.

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    29. Next season there’s no reason for the opening titles to go across the Narrow Sea at all. Everybody is in (or about to be in) Westeros! It’s a brave new world.

      I’m going to have to take all my rage that has been directed at Ramsey, Walder Frey, the High Sparrow, and Unella and focus it all onto that schmuck at the front desk of the library.

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    30. Lol at the poor souls out there STILL trying to argue that Jon could be Roberts son. (I’ve see more than a few pop up on social media.)

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    31. dragonbringer: great episode iam surprised that they didnt submit this one for writing.

      That was one of my first thoughts, too. They might’ve won it, too, considering most of the early reviews are saying this was one of the, if not the best, episodes ever.

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    32. Loved the finale!! I can’t believe Margeary died… I was hoping she might survive, but such is Game of Thrones… 🙁

      I’m sooo happy Olenna referenced the Tyrells in Dorne 😀 😀
      And I can’t wait to see her family avenged (I hope Cersei dies a painfull death!!!).

      And hail to the King in the North!!! I’m worried by Sansa’s expression when looking at LF in that scene… and having to wait a year to find out what happens it’s just torture!!

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    33. I am very interested to see where the North’s loyalties lie when it comes out that John is Targaryian. Though this makes him a royal bastard he still is a bastard.

      Frey for thought!

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    34. That was the absolute best GOT episode. Every other episode that might have contended for that title seems a distant second now.
      R+L=J was so much more emotional than I was expecting.

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    35. Josh L:
      aabe,
      The Lannisters are close to being wiped out as well. Only Tywin’s three kids remains, and right now they’re all childless. I doubt Cersei and Jaime will be producing baby #4 any time soon. Tyrion better get knocking soon.

      Well, my guess is that

      Tyrion may knock as much as he wants, but if I had to guess, he’s not going to be siring Lannisters, ever. Targaryens, more likely.

      Best guess is that when Tywin tells Tyrion that “you’re no son of mine”, he’s being literal. Because it’s very likely Tyrion isn’t, but instead the son of the Mad King. We’ve gotten hints this season too. Tyrion walks in on the dragons, and unlike Quentyn Martell in the books, he does not get incinerated. Well, about that…

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    36. Nadia,

      Well one of them is Wylla isn’t it?Considering they focused a bit on the sword Dawn I think those people might still be at Starfall.They were Dornish right?They could get them if they are needed for future purposes

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    37. I didn’t get to see it until 2 hours after the air time and then I had to watch it again right away. So I haven’t seen anyone else’s comments. So apologies if I say anything that has already been said hundreds of times!

      Wow.

      Completely agreed with Sue about the music. It really stood out to me. Even more than usual. At first I was confused by The Light of the Seven. It’s unlike any music we’ve ever heard on GoT before. But it quickly grew on me. It started to invoke the feeling of a Spanish horror movie. Maybe that’s a weird comparison and a silly thing to say, but trust me. It’s a compliment coming from me. I also really like the music in the final scene when it transitioned from the Greyjoy music to the Targ music.

      Yeah, it was obvious both from the subtle clues in the books and the obvious clues in season 6 of the show that Cersei would use wildfire in a terrifying way. I’m sure some people will bitch about how it wasn’t enough a surprise, but I thought it was fanfuckingtastic. There’s a difference between shock and suspense. I prefer the latter and this episode really delivered the suspense. It was excruciating to watch but so, so good. Lena Headey’s performance scared the shit out of me and it will be an absolute travesty if she isn’t showered with awards. I also liked NCW’s performance a lot. Without him having to say anything, I could see he took a giant leap towards becoming valonqar (sp? Too lazy to look it up just now).

      In Winterfell, Liam Cunningham was again my favorite. I watched the episode twice already and wept when he spoke of Shireen both times. I also think Aidan did his best work in awhile. Maximum creepiness. I loved the King in the North part deux bit, especially Lyanna Mormont. How cool was it that it transitioned from the ToJ and learning Lyanna Stark was Jon’s mom to Jon’s face to Lyanna Mormont delivering another bad ass speech? I think if Bella Ramsey had been born a few years later she could have played Arya just as well as Maisie does. What a bad ass! She’s a future star for sure. Sophie of course, turned in a great performance as well. I sure hope my girl Sansa knows better than to get sucked in by Littlefinger, but I don’t know.

      I have to imagine that Olenna tearing into the Sand Snakes made a lot of people happy! I was clinging to the hope that Margaery would make it out alive up until the end so I’m all about her getting some revenge!

      The Citadel was gorgeous and its gatekeeper provided some needed levity. I admit, I was hoping to see the obsidian candle though. Hopefully next season. I just loved seeing all the white ravens going from the tower and the library was so beautiful. No women allowed, my ass! If I lived in Oldtown, I would find a way in there. And in silly, shallow opinions it’s been nice to see Hannah Murray’s beauty not being hidden under rags anymore.

      I was pretty excited to see that they worked the Frey pie in for us book readers and the music + the look on Maisie’s face were appropriately chilling. But as happy as I was to see Walder go and get the Frey pie, this scene was my only real quibble with the episode. It came too out of nowhere for my taste. I wish there had been a bit of a set up first. Minor thing though. It was still effective. It made me cheer and worry for Arya’s mental health all at once.

      I also teared up a bit at Tyrion becoming Hand of the Queen. I’m so thrilled that Meereen is done and Dany is heading to Westeros at last. I’m not sure what the timeline is supposed to be and how Varys got there with Tyrell and Martell fleets so quickly, but fuck it. Who cares? Dany is finally going to Westeros! Yasssss!!!!!

      This is maybe one of my favorite episodes ever. If not the favorite. Fuck the haters I’m sure are going to be posting. I blow a raspberry in your direction!

      Snark time now. Did anyone else think of Renham’s suicide in the IT Crowd when Tommen jumped. It was similarly abrupt. I feel bad for thinking that way but it kind of took me out of it for a minute. Also, was anyone else thinking about Heathers when Lancel was trying to stop the wildfire bomb from going off?

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    38. Jack Bauer 24:
      How big is the Lannister army and who is supporting Cersei claim to the throne? Dany will annihilate her.

      I’m not sure she’s getting the chance?

      Jaime may murder Cersei before Danny lands in Dorne…

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    39. Also did or did not Jon just become the most eligible bachelor in Westeros haha.And yes apparently he does have a Targaryen name

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    40. It was great. That’s really what I got.

      I would pay to see Jorah run into Daario and ask how his relationship is going. ?

      Sad to lose Margaery, who was smart, clever, likeable and strong – unfortunate to lose a woman like her. She was a rare breed.

      I am now perfectly happy for Cersei to die, horribly would be nice, as she gets a lot of joy in other’s suffering. The Septa Unella thing had me lose any pro-Cersei thoughts I may have had – too far. Jaime had a look that should have struck her down then and there.

      I wish Finn Jones had had more screen time this season. I’m fairly sure he’s the one who pitched a fit over the script, and I don’t blame him. Great actor. Maybe it was just me, but he seemed in more Iron Fist shape in this episode?

      Jon has been voted into another leadership role he didn’t apply for, may he fare better than Robb! Lyanna Mormont is so great. May she be his trusted advisor and point out obviousness that he keeps failing to see. Love them both.

      At the same time – Littlefinger, may you live and scheme forever.

      Arya! Revenge served….well, warm. I’m not that worried about her – she couldn’t kill Lady Crane just ‘because’, she’s got her humanity still. Just not for her list. She could easily have taken faces from the Hall.

      Davos, Tormund, Jorah, Jaime, Sandor, Pod and Bronn made it through the season. I can’t complain. I still miss Roose.

      I will say I did not care for the piano and music at the beginning of the episode. I’m in the minority, but whatever. My complaints are very few for this episode, probably best of the season.

      But no one’s stomach is that flat after giving birth!

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    41. 1. Let the bodies hit the floor…or be incinerated by wildfire as the case may be…and fuck everyone who thought it was a good idea to include Margery in that…

      2. As much as Sansa and Jon tried to avoid fighting each other, recent events plus that meddling little finger will indicate that they are still rivals for power…fortunately for Sansa she’s not as dumb as Lysa, but she’s running out of options…

      3. Bran is the three eyed raven, but when will he realize that he is also a pawn of the nights king…

      4. Martells all dead. Baratheons all dead, Tyrells all dead (Olennas alive, but as a house they are essentially dead), Tullys down to Edmure and baby Frey, the last Arryn survives only so much as Littlefinger thinks he’s valuble, Starks down to the last ropes, Lannisters and Greyjoys last only so long as they keep from murdering each other, Dany last Targaryn (except for Jon), and I think it’s been established both in book and show she’s barren…if any homo sapiens survive the white walkers they won’t include any members of the nobility except for Jon Targaryn.

      5. Varys’s jetpack is far more powerful than Littlefingers ever was

      6. Still waiting on a Grey Worm/Theon scene. Though now Varys is present so they can noe have a EunichCon before Dany sweeps the free cities.

      7. Frey pies finally. Also humble pies.

      8. Last hopes for LS dead and buried. Or thown back as the case may be…

      9. Sams future looks bright. I hope he makes some friends soon…

      10. Hopefully Euron will do something besides chew scenary next year…

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    42. Oh i want to cry! I will miss GOT soooo much for next months….

      I woke up at 5:30 am to be able to watch this episode before i go to work…. And i don’t think i will be able to focus on any work today .

      And i’m worried for Jon again. I had this bad feeling while they were screaming “The King in the North”

      Music in this show is EVERYTHING !

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    43. Jenny:
      Also did or did not Jon just become the most eligible bachelor in Westeros haha.And yes apparently he does have a Targaryen name

      If I recall correctly, William of Normandy (the 1066 guy) was also known as “William the Bastard”, since he was the illegitimate son of Robert I of Normandy.

      Jon should do OK.

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    44. I can’t remember any episode like this where so many fan theories came true.

      Evil Cersei is back, but what the hell is she going to do? Deanerys has it too easy! Only the Lannisters to face.

      Arya..Brilliant. Most pleasing death to see, ever.

      Jon Stark Targeryan. That is all! Sansa and Littlefinger gonna dig up trouble I feel.

      Deanerys and Daario, he’s gonna betray her. Absolutely certain of that. ‘You will be betrayed three times, once for love’

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    45. bit disappointed jorah was not with his Queen’s side when she set sail but glad missandei and GW did

      another year for GRRM to reveal this RLJ and hope he makes use of it because there wont be third chance

      all my years inside episode interviews always made sense with whats happening in the scenes..But sophie’s last two episode videos are just not making sense

      this week she says jon doesnt acknowledge what she has done for him..when he actually did say that she should be lady of winterfell and without her the battle would not have been won..come on

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    46. Now that Daenerys is sailing towards Westeros, I am really curious to find out next year:

      -will they cut or rush Sam’s story now because it should be much further as in the books?
      -should they directly attack KL, will Jamie die along with Cersei? I hope not.
      -What’s with Jorah Mormont? I hope there is still a place for him in the story
      -what will Euron do with Daenerys not being in Essos anymore?
      -where will Arya go next?

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    47. Best finale every. Maybe best episode ever. Cried the first time staring with ToJ and teared up the second time as well.

      Sue, you hit it out of the park on the recap as always. God bless Lady Olenna – she did say what I’d been thinking for two seasons – shut up and let the adults/actresses talk.

      I know there is the whole Sansa question given the one comment in Inside the Episode and the comments by Kit, Sophie, and Liam on the other video, but listen, it’s a drama, you need drama, if there wasn’t the slightest question that Sansa could possibly listen to Lord Baelish, then what would the drama be? They have to show Baelish and Sansa interacting to create that drama. What? He’s going to have a monologue intriguing or talk to some underling. It has to be with Sansa. It’s not bad – it makes for good TV.

      RIP Tommen – you were too good, Joffrey was too evil, and Myrcella was just right … but all of you are now dead.

      Show!Cersei is now the mad queen as was book!Cersei. Interested in seeing Lena’s take on that next year. The prophecy is fulfilled. I’d be interested in seeing if

      the remainder of the prophecy is shown in a flashback

      next season. Jamie, Jamie, what will you do?

      Arya – revenge is a pie best served cold … or something like that … I do worry about her … when her lists are cleared … will she be able to have a normal life … whatever that is

      Mel on the road south – Brienne, Pod, Sandor, Beric, Thoros, Arya on the road north … could they possibly stop at the same inn along the way? I have a feeling that Mel will return north but will Davos and Jon fulfill their promise to kill her

      Where is Kinvara … will the red priests be important in the Great War to come?

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    48. So many things! First thank you for the wonderful recaps all season-I’ve loved seeing them!
      Biggest–Jon’s mother! I have been waiting SO LONG and I knew it! (PS Ned set down Dawn against the bed and it was central in shot…you know the Dayne sword made from a fallen star that was probably covered in blood?…just sayin)
      That was just perfect–I wonder if we’ll ever find out what his mother named him.
      Even better-it went right into him being chosen as KitN, as a bastard no less, so based entirely on his own merit.

      I felt really bad for Marg because she knew-she tried to warn everyone, tried to escape. And she’d obviously made a deal with HS about Loras because you heard her say-you gave me your word. So all she wanted was to get her family out of there alive and in one piece-but no. The Mad Queen has arrived-with this crown she just happened to have made in case she killed you and drove her son to suicide. How fortunate. Are you done with her now Jaime? Was hearing Walder compare you to him and seeing what Cersei does when you’re away enough? She killed the younger queen, her whole family, your uncle and cousin and took the throne. Just turn around and leave while you still can.
      PS Cersei’s army. I could so see Euron and Daario with their ships and second sons joining her ranks–the Vengeance brigade. (I really thought Daario must have had something up his sleeve-but no he’s just a spurned lover…one of the few disappointments that could now be resolved because Dany sucks at breakups.)
      PPS-Cersei is queen and wants Sansa’s head. If LF can’t have Sansa/Cat, will he go there to be close to the throne again?

      Where’s Ghost? Where’s the Hound? Someone save Sansa from his mind games. And save the actors because–there is no need for tension. Jon did acknowledge her. Jon said she was a Stark-made up the Lord’s bedroom for her-thanked her for saving them and winning the battle. What else is the guy supposed to do, fall on his sword? He can’t help it if people want to follow him. He didn’t campaign or anything. KING IN THE NORTH!
      Also Lyanna Mormont for everything. She made stubborn Northern lords say they were SORRY. That was beautiful. Oh and for the bloodline people? Jon is still a Stark. He is Ned reincarnated in his behavior-Ned’s sister is his mother-he has a dire wolf…he’s a Stark. He just also happens to be a Targaryen so…extra badass.

      Varys brought ships from Tyrell and Sands back with him-did you see all those ships? And enough time had passed for them to be fit with Dragon heads and sails–and the Dothraki weren’t heaving over the side or curled into little balls-so time had passed.
      Don’t ask me how much-it’s getting confusing-but it doesn’t matter. My ONLY Varys beef was this was the very first time you ever saw Dany and Varys together and we didn’t see them meet. The Spider she believed had been sending men to kill her all her life-but was actually on her side. I’d rather have had that meeting than her breakup with Daario tbh.

      Sam is in heaven. I hope he has help-that library would take five seasons to go through alone. And Oldtown was beautiful!! And the black stone at the base yay!

      I can’t believe it’s over and we didn’t see Brienne or Gendry or snow falling anywhere else. Also how the hell is Meera supposed to get Bran to the Wall Benjen? Couldn’t you find an extra horse or something?

      I might have to watch this season 20 times.

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    49. A couple more assorted thoughts.

      Now we are truly unsullied. Seriously. I have no idea what’s going to happen now. This season we could use our book knowledge to make some pretty good guesses. That goes out the window like Tommen (too soon?) now.

      I miss Brienne and the Hound. What happened to them? They were the only ones missing from the finale. Besides poor old Gendry of course!

      I’ve never been a Jon and Dany shipper in the slightest but I’m starting to wonder if it’s going to happen. Dany talked about marriage, but who is she actually going to marry? Tyrion and Theon are already on her side. Edmure is I guess still a prisoner and already married. Sweet Robin still lives, but no. Just no. The only powerful bachelor right is Jon. Hmm.

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    50. Tyrion’s belief in Dany pulled me back into the scene before he and Jorah were captured by slavers, and Jorah mentioned how he had never believed in something before as well before he saw Dany and her baby dragons. I liked that.

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    51. More thoughts…

      11. Dany should have spread the Ironborn, Dothraki and Unsullied between the ships so they can learn from each other during the journey

      12. Is Dario going to remain loyal?

      13. Dollouros Edd gets to live another season. Lucky him #sarcasm

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    52. A masterpiece of television and literature…”Game Of Thrones/A Song Of Ice And Fire”.

      Not much else to add except to say…thank you for the recap and for all those who keep this site going, for all the work and effort you make on the behalf of all fans!

      “Winter Has Come”….

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    53. aabe:
      Anyone else thinks this episode will be the last time we see Baratheon stag on King’s Landing during opening credits?

      Yep. I’ll be the Lannister Lion for a while, and then It’ll be the Three-headed Dragon…

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    54. Ack-I totally forgot about 4 things
      -Davos made me cry for what he lost. Liam is the best!
      -And the music was amazing-this is the first season I’ve purchased the soundtrack.
      -Olenna. I have always loved her-now I am her biggest fan. She shut those sandsnakes down. 🙂
      -Cersei’s confession to Septa Shame was so creepy and powerful and disturbing.

      Sorry I’m still high on ToJ 🙂

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    55. Only Starks smile when Winter comes. Remember the next book was meant to be called “A Time for Wolves”. With my psychic senses I predict the Starks will rise again, stronger and wiser than ever.

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    56. One more thing: Jon Stark Targeryan = Azor Ahai Reborn; Half confirmed.

      In ADwD, the last dream he has before he dies: He clasps a red burning sword in his hand and shouts ‘I am the King in the North’ while slaying dead men. Well, half of that has come true.

      Jon will soon be clasping Lightbringer and kill the Night’s King. It is known. Watch this space.

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    57. Nadia:
      Btw I thought Jon and Sansa were both freaking flawless. I was so thrilled how they handled that talk – that Jon acknowledged it was what she did that saved them, but she also just flat out apologized for not telling him, even if it did save them.

      I was on a Stark high until the actors and Benioff destroyed my buzz.

      Please for the love of the old gods and new, don’t give us this Jon vs. Sansa bullshit anymore. I know I thought it was coming, then I started to hope for the best, then I was thrilled with the episode….and now we get all this stuff about how Jon vs. Sansa is going to be an issue. And we know LF is going to fan the flames.

      People are not giving LF credit for how silver tongued he is, and Sansa is still vulnerable in some ways. She’s 10000% going to fall for it, for a time. I think it’ll be painful to watch Jon, declared King in the North, still be made to feel un-Stark

      BRAN get into a freaking weirwood and tell Sansa and Jon to cut it out I can’t take it.

      I don’t know how seriously should we take these statements. It could very well be that they are only trying to give some fodder for off-season theorizing. The actors at this point would have no idea what’s going to happen next season. And as for D&D, at this time last season, they were telling us Jon was deader than dead, which was the truth, but a very misleading one. So I will not give this too much importance now, as I am so done with the “Jon is so naive” narrative.

      The episode itself was fantastic. Can’t decide right now whether I prefer 9 or 10.
      The tension being gradually built up in KL, that even though we knew what was going to happen it was still gripping to watch. And I agree with Sue, just give the emmy to Lena Headey already.
      It looks like finally the Jaime-Cersei break is finally happening.
      Loved the North scenes, King in the North!! Lyanna Mormont! Even though, the recall to Robb’s crowning was unsettling. I don’t want to start worrying about Jon’s life- AGAIN!
      I don’t see Sansa siding with LF against Jon. I think she will watch his back and ultimately kill LF. Can the Hound reach the North fast enough and give her the motivation to do so.
      So relieved to get the rlj reveal, finally. And lol at baby Jon looking as if he had the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was born brooding !!
      Since I knew what was going to happen at the Twins, the surprise element was missing for me. I wonder where Arya’s story is headed. North, to her siblings or south, to cross more names off her list.
      Dany gets yet another admirer, why am I not surprised. The final scene was fantastic though, just watching the might of Dany and to think all of this is headed to Westeros. I can’t see anybody giving her meaningful opposition right now.

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    58. Don’t want to nitpick, but wouldn’t the wilfire below the city not just destroy the Sept of Baelor if it does fire up?

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    59. schase,

      I really enjoyed this comment.

      The books/show really soar when they deliver a huge range of emotion–from triumphant to tragic, from hope to despair, from warm and fuzzy to ice-cold. That’s what made this episode work so well; it didn’t try to hit one shocking note as loudly as possible but went for range.

      And a character like Tommen, who is so sweet and so doomed, is part of that. Your heart goes out to him. He was never up to the task, but he was never bad, either.

      As for Lancel–that retreat into absolutism is scary, I think. But my heart goes out to Loras, who was a good guy.

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    60. dragonbringer:
      all my years inside episode interviews always made sense with whats happening in the scenes..But sophie’s last two episode videos are just not making sense

      this week she says jon doesnt acknowledge what she has done for him..when he actually did say that she should be lady of winterfell and without her the battle would not have been won..come on

      She was talking about during the King in the North scene. There when all the northern lords were declaring Jon King in the North. Jon does not acknowledge that Sansa was the one who really won them Winterfell. I am disturbed by those interviews that the show is setting up a conflict between Jon and Sansa that is going to put Sansa into a dark alliance with LF to undermine Jon. I think LF knows about Jon’s true parentage and would love nothing better than to get him out of the picture since he would be a big obstacle to his desire for the Iron Thrown. And if Sansa is miffed that she is not the ruler of the North all the better for LIttle Finger to achieve all his goals. Not liking that potential story arc…

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    61. First thoughts:

      King’s Landing was sick!

      Wasn’t a fan of Young Ned in episode 3, but he absolutely nailed it this episode. Actress who played Lyanna too.

      *sigh* Arya is badass, I get it. Stop it with the fanservice already.

      Kind of laughed out loud when they did the “Fire and Blood” scene after all. And why are all the Dorne scenes so super short? They always get straight to the point without any smalltalk or anything leading up to it, and the scene is over in seconds.

      How did Varys get back to Dany that quickly? I was literally expecting the Sand Snakes to be on that ship when I spotted Varys there. Wouldn’t it have made more sense if he stayed in Westeros to help Dany from the inside?

      Did Littlefinger really just try to make another move on Sansa? Really should’ve waited a bit until she trusts you more.

      Overall: A bit of a slow episode, mainly because all the good stuff was in the beginning. After that it just dragged on and on. 7.5/10

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    62. Terrific finale, maybe the best one yet. “The Children” was great, but this one had a lot of emotional punch, between the tragedy in KL, R+L = J, and Jon being crowned King in the North.

      I’m glad we saw Sam, but I did miss the Hound. I was really hoping we’d see him one last time. I’m also bummed at the lack of White Walkers, but what can you do.

      It would have been cool if the great stuff in KL had been later on in the episode. It felt like a huge climax, and having it at the start of the episode meant that I couldn’t fully concentrate on the other stories because I was too busy processing what had happened
      Will definitely have to re-watch the episode. Many times.

      For me, the saddest thing is Margaery’s death. I knew she was a goner, but damn. It’s really tragic.

      I also enjoyed Dorne for once, since the writers seem to acknowledge the stupidity of the Sand Snakes by having Olenna verbally destroy them. I thoroughly enjoyed that.

      A few more random thoughts :

      I was sad to see Benjen go. I have no clue what he is going to be doing now, but I hope we’ll see him again at some point.

      I’m not sure how Arya managed to kill Black Walder and Lame Lothar and bake them into a pie all on her own. Seems like the people in the kitchens would have a problem with that. I’m also not sure why Walder is eating alone with no servants or guards anywhere to be seen. Would have also been cool to show us Arya escaping the Twins.

      They just make it seem way too easy to infiltrate a fortified castle, murder two of the ruling lord’s sons, possibly some guards, bake them into a pie, serve said pie to the conveniently alone ruling lord, slit the lord’s throat, and escape the castle without being caught, seen or pursued. They should show us how Arya did some of this to make it a little more believable. When it seems so insanely easy to accomplish, it removes all tension and drama for me. But anyway, this is a fairly minor issue.

      A slightly less minor thing, is Cersei’s reaction to Tommen’s death. We are told over and over that Cersei loves her children fiercely, and would do anything for them. You would think that after all she has lost, losing her last child would absolutely destroy Cersei, despite the prophecy having already told her that would happen. The fact that she is responsible for his death should make her even more distraught. But we don’t get any of that. We don’t even get to see her finding out that Tommen is dead. Huge rip-off in my opinion.

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    63. heh, saw this in the comment on another site and thought it was perfect:
      “Who is going to play the role of Lady Stoneheart?”
      “No one”

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    64. Wow, that was truly breathtakingly good! One payoff after another!

      The Winds of Winter: HBO trolls GRRM with the episode title and gives a lesson in how to bring a massive sprawling story back on track. Now we are pretty much down to characters introduced in the first book season with the arcs of secondary characters aligned with them.

      Historical note: that was pretty much what would have happened to the English parliament, if the Gunpowder Plot had succeeded. Guy Fawkes really had placed a sh*tload of gunpowder under it.

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    65. Jenny,

      Hiccup Targaryen,

      I guess that makes sense if she is speaking about that scene.

      I don’t think LF Knows about jon parentage he may suspect it but will not be sure about it .

      On the other hand dany gets the admirer same way jon gets people calling him as LC or KITn or soon to be KO7K.

      And that scene where Mel says to jon ” it could have been worse “…the stark children had family feasts and other things …there is someone who didn’t have those things growing up ..

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    66. I knew Cersei was going to get revenge on the Septa, she must have said it at least 4 or 5 times, but somehow, seeing it wasn’t nearly as satisfying as I thought it would be. I mean, last week, when Jon was smashing Ramsay’s face, I actually applauded and shushed my inner good person who was reminding me not to take too much joy in such violence. This time, however, I winced. That Septa was a big pain, but …

      I’m totally on the Jon/Lyanna ship. Someone said 10 years? Nope, how old was Sansa when they were going to marry her to Joff and actually did marry her to Tyrion? Right after she “bled,” so maybe, what 13 or 14. Lyanna already has her eye on Jon. That’s more clear to me than any Jon/Sansa silliness you might want to put forth. As for the actress, Bella Ramsey, OMG that kid is adorable and nails every scene, like Sue said. I’m hoping they actually use her next year, and she wasn’t just for effect this year.

      What will Olenna do with her army? Is it any match for the Lannister’s 8,000 men? Tyrell’s are gone; if old Mace had been spared, he might have found a young woman and made a couple new heirs, that’s done all the time. But he burned, too. The Tyrell’s were the one saving grace Cersei had with the Iron Bank. I know, I’m a nut case about the frikken Iron Bank, but what happens to her if they do call their loans? That’s just one of the myriad problems Queen Cersei is going to have. She can’t send Frankenmountain to fix that. Tywin warned her. Theoretically, couldn’t they seize Casterly Rock?

      Someone mentioned seeing these last two episodes on IMAX this winter. Ye Gods, old and new, please make it so. So many many scenes in both episodes that would be excellent on the BIG screen, not the least of which was the sight of the Sept going down in green glory and the sight of Oldtown. Speaking of Oldtown, yikes, Sam will be in a complete stupor in that library. Woman, Baby. What woman and baby? Poor Gilly may be in a hard way in Oldtown.

      Thank you, thank you, to Sue and all the other mods who have kept this place in order for this momentous, memorable season. Thank you in advance for keeping us happy in the long-ass off-season. Being a one year veteran of an off-season here, I can tell you newbies it’s well worth tuning in a few times a week for your Game of Thrones fix. Looking forward to seeing you in the weeks to come.

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    67. O dear!
      My favourite Cersei is now Queen and what for a Queen!
      And now she can finally make her relationship with Jaime official and have new children!
      But I’ll miss Margaery, she and Cersei could have been a great team.
      That music in the Kingslanding was so beautiful majestic.
      Tywin can be proud of his twins now.
      One thing I thought could have been in the next series: Arya killing the Freys, her speech: “I’m Arya Stark and I’m going home” could have been a powerful final S6-statement of her.
      And I agree 200 %: Give Lena Headey the Emmy, she nailed it!

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    68. ” I’m not bothered by having Pycelle’s death-by-little-birds come at Cersei’s behest instead of Varys’s”

      I guess/hope this is going to be one-upped – the little birds will eventually turn on Qyburn at Varys’s behest. He clearly gave a hint that they are still in his pocket, and it would be a nice (but minor) twist.

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    69. Loved, loved, loved this episode! In hindsight, I feel less kindly towards some of the episodes this season than I otherwise would have, but this was absolutely tremendous stuff. I know Emmy voters tend to concentrate on a single episode of a show for awards condieration, but this should have been the show’s Emmy writing submission. Tremendous, even with a couple of logical snafus. And also, give Ramin Djawadi an Emmy already. For heaven’s sake, it’s been six seasons and this was his best scored episode yet. https://goo.gl/AdSwWF

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    70. Darkrobin:
      dragonmcmx,

      And why are all the Dorne scenes so super short?

      Do you really want Sandsnake dialogue?

      No, which is why we have the Queen of Thorns, thankfully.

      Though why in E01 were the snakes so hot for revenge that they’d commit kin-slaying, and still sitting on their butts nine episodes later waiting for a prompt to act?

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    71. Wait, if Tyrion is really the Mad King’s son, wouldn’t that make Dany and he … sister and brother? I don’t know how they would go about proving such a thing, but so many of you seem to be saying it. Which, in a way, would be kind of a cool parallel. North being run by brother/sister; King’s Landing sister/brother (if Jaime lets her live) and now Dany and Tyrion. I’m just giddy trying to comment on all the special things of this episode. Tyrion bent the knee to her. THAT’s one of the last things I’d ever think to see. After all, he declared himself the most famous dwarf in the world. Now he’s totally enchanted by Dany. This will be so interesting next season.

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    72. dragonbringer,

      I would say Tyrion might fall for Daeny but she seems to be destined to meet Jon. Who else than him. There is no much of options. Daario seems to mentioned that she is she going to marry and Daeny said she doesn’t know or none.

      Does he have a Targaryen name? I watch it again and it seems like that only Lyanna warned Ned of Robert and to protect him. But then some people say like she said Ae… Aemon or Aegon?

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    73. Wow! This episode stunned me so many times. I will miss Margaery the most of all the people who died. Damn those sparrows! Though she wouldn’t have made it out in time anyway.

      I loved Arya serving the Frey Pie and taking out the next name on her list. I suspect that she may have learned to take faces herself. And she definitely didn’t want what Bronn suggested after she poured his drink.

      Loved, loved the Tower of Joy. When Lyanna whispers to Ned, I could swear she said, “His name is…” and a name that starts with a vowel. Could it be Aemon?

      Now Bran knows the truth, Jon has been named King in the North, and the Night King and Littlefinger are waiting to tear him down. I am dying to find out what happens to all the Starks!

      Off to watch this episode again.

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    74. Markus Stark: A slightly less minor thing, is Cersei’s reaction to Tommen’s death. We are told over and over that Cersei loves her children fiercely, and would do anything for them. You would think that after all she has lost, losing her last child would absolutely destroy Cersei, despite the prophecy having already told her that would happen. The fact that she is responsible for his death should make her even more distraught. But we don’t get any of that. We don’t even get to see her finding out that Tommen is dead. Huge rip-off in my opinion.

      Agreed, but I think the scene overall worked very well. I predicted (and hoped for) a Tommen death by suicide. It was a fitting way to have Cersei arc through ever more responsibility for her childrens’ deaths, ending in “complete”. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is book-canon, though book-Tommen is a bit young for that.

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    75. dragonbringer,

      But even there sansa was smiling so I didn’t get that vibe.Plus people knew the vale came to their aid Jon says in the beginning that all of them fought together.Words have spread lord royce is there and everybody knows the vale came for sansa because she is robyn’s cousin.It’s not Jon’s fault that people want to follow him and that was a declaration for a leader in war and he is the right man for that job.Honestly don’t listen to sophie love her to death but what she says has nothing to do with what happens on screen.Plus they are setting up the #drama for next season.Make it look like LF comes between the two of them only for Sansa to take him out permanently but they can’t say that yet

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    76. Chad Brick,

      Time passes slower in Dorne … I don’t know … logic doesn’t apply in Dorne … I really hope that if Dany lands in Dorne she will see them for what they are and send them on a mission to Qarth or Asshai … otherwise I will try to think as little of them as possible 🙂

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    77. Did you noticed Dawn that Ned took with him to Lyanna’s chamber. Maybe Jon will wield Dawn and Longclaw will go to Jorah as gift. They seem to make point of Jon, Stark and Mormont connection. Lyanna Mormonts trust in him , Mormont shield used against Ramsey and Jeor opinion on Jon. He valued him and saw potential in him. He gave him the sword and that means something. Probably saw him as a son he never had.

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    78. dragonbringer:
      Jenny,

      Hiccup Targaryen,
      And that scene where Mel says to jon ” it could have been worse “…the stark children had family feasts and other things …there is someone who didn’t have those things growing up ..

      A piece of me really wanted to hear her say she was raised in a shoebox. Or, potentially, the shelf of a dishwasher. If only she had a dishwasher, of course.

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    79. Liam Cunnigham said that Jon and Sansa won’t be pretty so it looks worrying. Also that there is anger and jealousy from Sansa according to Benioff. I didn’t see any of that in episode 10.

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    80. The thing that threw me off the most was Benjen leaving them by the Tree with no provisions, not even a blanket. Good luck? What? What is Meera supposed to do out there in the cold while Bran has his visions. Isn’t he lying on the snow? I kept going, “Wait, Benjen, where tf are you going? You can’t just leave them there.” Then he leaves. That was weird. Am I missing some big piece of info here? You guys fill me in, because I can’t figure what they are supposed to do. Does she walk for the Wall and get help?

      Oh well, the vision was the biggest purpose of that scene, and it was a grand payoff. Promise me, Ned. And Bran is seeing this. Does he realize who the baby is? Bloody fucking’ mess, literally. Those midwives, or whatever they were supposed to be, were in a strange situation. But it’s confirmed, after all these years, it’s true. Now, to build on that info and go on to the true meat of the story.

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    81. Chad Brick,

      Yeah, I agree.

      It’ll be very interesting to see how this all plays out in the novels.

      PS : to any who would snarkily reply that the books will never come out, please, spare me. Thank you.

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    82. Darkrobin:
      Chad Brick,

      Time passes slower in Dorne …

      This is why I’m hoping that Conleth Hill gets to play the 12th Doctor after Peter Capaldi finishes up in Doctor Who. Because clearly, Lord Varys already has a TARDIS on loan.

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    83. Thronetender,

      I know. I can only hope that if they panned in the opposite direction, you’d just see a solid mass of ice with a door nearby. No way Meera is going to get Bran up and down the entrance they used to go North. Don’t recall a weirwood tree ouside the Castle Black gate. But I trust that they will find a way.

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    84. Brillliant episode!! It was just perfect!! The only thing i would have liked was after dany’s end scene they should have put a night king or white walker scene!! Dany isnt the only one coming in the direction of westsros. The dead are coming too!! People are pretty chilled out about that even now!!

      I also dont understand people’s concer for arya! She is not completely ruthless. She would have killed lady crane if she was! I didnt expect her to blink an eye while killing walder frey and i liked it that she didnt. I didnt understand her need to use a different face tho. No one knows what arya looks like at the twins. Maybe they just wanted to maintain the suspense there. But yay Arya Stark is back!! Get on one of those jet packs and go straight to Jon!! He needs his little sister.

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    85. dragonbringer:
      BranTheBlessed,

      Shouldn’t he have already have that in his hand

      Anyways He was killing his brother Robb mance halhand ygritte all the time yelling lord of winterfell

      No, there’s no way they’d show LB so soon with two seasons still to go. If there is a LB, I expect Jon to clasp it just before the Final War begins.

      Re Jon’s dream: I liken it to Daenerys’ own dreams, one she had when she was in a perilous fever and her world in chaos. She dreams of ‘wake the dragons’ and those dreams come true.

      Jon dreams when his own world is in chaos with Melisandre continuously giving him warnings of dangers surrounding him. He dreams that he’ll be Lord of Winterfell and that ‘a balde burned red in his fist’ which he uses to slay the dead.

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    86. Jenny,

      That’s exactly felt about the scene as well and i feel you are right and agree with what you said as well.

      Geralt of Rivia,

      There just don’t need to be dany tyrion and jon love triangle..

      I believe tyrion was taken back by the acknowledgement he received at the hands of dany and how much she respects him…no one ever was given that to him his family never respected him people did not believed in him ..

      And hence he kneels and if there is anyone who us wise enough to understand that he is not fit for dragon queen then it is tyrion ..so I don’t think he or show is going that way..

      It did look like he was named something..I would love to just have him as jon no need to have other names because it seems irrelevant ..

      And speaking of names who came up with bay of dragons ..dragons bay would have made the job wouldnt it..

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    87. Loved it!

      1. Bran is going to break the wall, so when dany hits the shore, I don’t think it’ll be Cersei v dany.

      2. i have a weird feeling that the library is going to burn.

      3. Winter has come.

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    88. Another 10/10 on IMBD, well deserved though, for sure.

      Didnt expect Jon to be made King in the North, lady Mormont is a badass, for sure. Great scene there, I loved how they revealed R+L=J then switched right to Jon where he was being crowned King, that was brilliant. There is going to be so much more to that, sucks we gotta wait 42 weeks for the next episode.
      Maybe Ill binge watch the series over and over until next season starts, lol.

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    89. Annoyed that the actors and writers are just throwing the Jon/Sansa bomb in there, because I thought the episode was completely flawless and their interactions were just perfect – and showed how much Sansa had really changed.

      And then all of a sudden it’s all jealous and anger and Sansa’s basically to screw Jon. WTF.

      I think anyone with any sense knows that LF will do everything he can to get between Jon and Sansa. It would be totally reasonable to say, LF’s there to try and get between them. But instead we get this idea that Sansa STILL has endlessly brewing resentment and Jon has to keep publicly thanking her, has to keep her feelings paramount, after anything, makes her look so small of a character. And she’s NOT!!

      Btw, I thought the somewhat ominous parallels to Robb’s KITN were really noticeable. I don’t think our boy Jon will die, but I wonder if Sansa betrays him long enough for him NOT to be KITN any longer and to go into the fight as Jon TargStark

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    90. Markus Stark: You would think that after all she has lost, losing her last child would absolutely destroy Cersei,

      I thought so too, in the beginning, then I rethought what had gone before. I think that in a way she already knew she had lost Tommen. When he denied trial by combat, he threw her under the horse-cart. She looked at him walking by her as though her heart were already breaking. Couple that huge disappointment with how much credence she gave to Maggy the Frog’s prophecy- by the time the kid went out the window, he was already dead to her and she had already done her mourning.

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    91. one of the saddest sights i will ever see ~ the countdown clock at the top of the page stopped at zero and not resetting for the next show.

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    92. Wait are people implying Jon has a Targ name?? Wow. we’ll likely never hear it, has Bran didn’t

      Bran realized what he saw right??

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    93. dragonbringer,

      Jon and Tyrion were supposed to rival over Arya in the original outline. What if they changed that to Daeny? Daeny and Tyrion with Jon as rulers wouldn’t be good and Daeny refused to take Daario as side lover. Only option for marriage seems Jon and from political aspect it would make sense.

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    94. Nadia,

      Are we sure that it’s Raegars son and not Roberts son? Remember all the children and his bloodline are born with black of hair. The other bloodline is silver hair. Does anybody know the exact timeline between when she was with Robert and Raegar? Could she already had been pregnant?

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    95. Darkrobin: Don’t recall a weirwood tree ouside the Castle Black gate.

      I think that’s where Jon and Sam took their Nights Watch vows, so yeah, it was out there. Who knows, maybe Bran will be able to get into Edd’s head or something, and some of the NW find them before they freeze. Wasn’t it cool when Benjen mentioned that there was magic carved into the Wall? I wonder if the show will actually make something of that, or if they will let that thread dangle like they have some others.

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    96. Nadia,

      He might not be KitN because he’s Lyanna’s son but Northerners seems to follow him as he is warrior, leader to them.

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    97. Geralt of Rivia,

      The problem with this has always been – when will this happen? Are Dany and Jon going to meet and get married BEFORE the WWs invade? I suppose next season we could have someone – Tyrion? – propose Dany marry the King in the North, but I am somehow quite skeptical. So they fight the Walkers as husband and wife?

      And I would eat my favorite hat if AFTER the WWs and this is all done if they are BOTH still alive and both going to get married and rule together on the Iron Throne. It just doesn’t seem to me it will tie up in such an easy way, nor will they both live happily ever after.

      So really, when are Jon and Dany even supposed to get and stay married? This has always totally confused me.

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    98. Geralt of Rivia,

      Its what said from the very moment that letter was released that it changed to dany..
      I think a lot of people don’t agree or think its too haooy ending bit I think these three in the position of power after war is a good possibility and best for westeros..

      On another note I can’t take people seriously if they worry about jonjon getting killed …he is going to be there until the final episode ..he may be experience some betrayals and such things on the way… Buy who isn’t ..

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    99. Geralt of Rivia,

      Except Lyanna made a point about being Ned Stark’s son, regardless of if he’s a bastard.

      I think Jon will very much care and feel he can’t be King in the North if he ever finds out

      Or again, maybe it’s ‘taken’ from him, he finds out who he is, and goes into the battle knowing that, for whatever it’s worth

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    100. Geralt of Rivia,

      Don’t worry about that at this point. They want to leave viewers in suspense for next season and if there isn’t some element of drama in the Northern storyline we’d get complacent. It’s pretty clear from what they actually wrote into the episode that Sansa will try to work against Littlefinger. As such, their words afterwards are clearly just to make us worry about it till next April. But seriously….do you really see her wanting to be bestfriends with Littlefinger after the hell he put her through? No right? It’s really obvious when you think about it.

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    101. I kept thinking this episode how devastated Jon would be when he finds out he’s not Ned’s son.

      I think his biggest sense of self-worth and honor comes from being Ned Stark’s son, bastard or not. He’s painfully aware that he’s not a Stark, he even says it again this episode, but I think maybe a small part of him might start to feel like he belongs to Winterfell. Even Lyanna Mormont saying she doesn’t care if he’s a bastard, he’s still Ned Stark’s son reminds us of that.

      To find out he’s not actually Ned Stark’s son might be the most devastating thing that could happen to him. As a character, would he give two shits that he’s the son of a prince? Being a real son to Ned I think is all that matters to Jon..

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    102. ForestLight,

      I think you underestimate that the power of someone like LF is that his whisperings bring out what is already there.

      Sansa has already felt all these range of emotions for Jon. She did feel marginalized, showed aside, jealous, angry, and she DID grow up not thinking of him as a trueborn Stark. We’ve seen all of that, and we’ve seen her even act on it. She may shove that aside in this episode, but LF is all about bringing that to the surface.

      I think it’s extraordinarily naive to think she won’t give into that, or that it’s just Sansa vs. LF. Even the scene where LF/Sansa are talking, for a moment when he’s describing why he does what he does, you can see her caught up in it.

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    103. ghost of winterfell: I don’t know how seriously should we take these statements. It could very well be that they are only trying to give some fodder for off-season theorizing. The actors at this point would have no idea what’s going to happen next season. And as for D&D, at this time last season, they were telling us Jon was deader than dead, which was the truth, but a very misleading one. So I will not give this too much importance now, as I am so done with the “Jon is so naive” narrative.

      The episode itself was fantastic. Can’t decide right now whether I prefer 9 or 10.
      The tension being gradually built up in KL, that even though we knew what was going to happen it was still gripping to watch. And I agree with Sue, just give the emmy to Lena Headey already.
      It looks like finally the Jaime-Cersei break is finally happening.
      Loved the North scenes, King in the North!! Lyanna Mormont! Even though, the recall to Robb’s crowning was unsettling. I don’t want to start worrying about Jon’s life- AGAIN!
      I don’t see Sansa siding with LF against Jon. I think she will watch his back and ultimately kill LF. Can the Hound reach the North fast enough and give her the motivation to do so.
      So relieved to get the rlj reveal, finally. And lol at baby Jon looking as if he had the weight of the world on his shoulders! He was born brooding !!
      Since I knew what was going to happen at the Twins, the surprise element was missing for me. I wonder where Arya’s story is headed. North, to her siblings or south, to cross more names off her list.
      Dany gets yet another admirer, why am I not surprised. The final scene was fantastic though, just watching the might of Dany and to think all of this is headed to Westeros. I can’t see anybody giving her meaningful opposition right now.

      Yup! That’s what I keep saying! They’re not going to reveal any potential plots for next season so immediately! That would be freaking insane. The fact that they’ve said anything at all smacks of reverse psychology actually lol. They’re trying to make us overthink it so that we’re more surprised by what happens next season which has most likely been set up somehow this season. So when you watch this episode, keep in mind that all interactions between Sansa and Jon were very positive and, far from appearing greedy for power, she actually seems to be trying to push it towards him. Even in her conversation with Littlefinger she basically said that she’s done with her old ambitions, with “wanting” and dreaming of far off ambitions, and instead will focus on what she has. “What she has” means her family and she confirmed this episode firmly that Jon is her family. Look at how strongly she says it when he denies being a Stark. Yeah…what the writers are saying…this is just a much lighter version of the “Jon Snow is gone forever” lies of last year.

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    104. Phenomenal episode and by far and large my favourite of the season, possibly of the show altogether. The music choice was fantastic and really built up both the start and ending of the episode.

      There’s not much I can say others haven’t really, almost a perfect episode. My only real complaint is Varys being with Dany at the end of the episode, not because of the distance or anything but because I really looked forward to seeing them meet. This is a man who served her father, who has been pulling the strings to help her for years, who is possibly the most loyal Targaryen man out there and we never got to actually see them meet, he’s just suddenly by her side. Bit disappointing but oh well not the end of the world.

      This year long wait is gonna be a real nightmare! I need to know what happens next!

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    105. Nadia,

      Wouldn’t be surprised if Jon resigns. It would be devastating blow to him on personal level. Even as a bastard he takes pride in being Ned’s son. Notherners might view as a son of rapist. In the North Rhaegar is know as such.

      As for Daeny. Yeah timewise it’s not ideal but Cersei doesn’t stand a chance against Daeny and Euron too unless he can control dragons. So she should make a quick work with them. Then they can meet.

      dragonbringer,

      Not sure about all three of them in position of power. Jon and Daeny King and Queen, Tyrion Hand is pretty much ideal thing. Something George will probably not going to do. There’s got to be twist to it.

      But part of Jon and Arya being tormented by their feeling when his parentage is finally revealed just doesn’t fit to Jon and Daeny as parentage might be known.

      As Mel said. Maybe is role is to die again because George usually avoids or deconstructs popular tropes and hidden prince is the most popular one.

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    106. I found it hard to believe how people of KL are suddenly accepting of Cersei becoming ruler. They loved the High Septon, the Faith, they loved Queen Margery and King Tommen and Cersei burned them all.

      I reckon KL will the Mereen of season 7. Half the people against the Queen, bloodshed, Civil war. How ironic would it be that it will be former Mereen Queen Deanerys that’ll end the strife and unite the people to achieve peace. Talk about a character coming full circle.

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    107. Wanderer:
      Lol at the poor souls out there STILL trying to argue that Jon could be Roberts son. (I’ve see more than a few pop up on social media.)

      yes! and it also shuts down the jon and meera twin and the jon and daenerys twin theories. (rolling my eyes so hard i can see the back of my skull.)

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    108. Nadia,

      I think you may be slightly overestimating Littlefinger’s hold over Sansa. Even book Sansa has never allowed herself to fully like or trust him and that version hasn’t given her over to a psycho. Now, I’m not claiming I have any info on what’s going to happen next season. What I am saying is that it makes absolutely no sense for Sansa to ally herself with Littlefinger (who she hates) against her family (who she loves). What I’m also saying is that its fairly likely that book Sansa will eventually kill/ bring about the ruin of Littlefinger and with how quickly the plot is progressing on the show (combined with the fact that the writers/actors are so early on trying to make us focus on the Jon/Sansa potential drama instead of the glaringly obvious Sansa/Littlefinger drama) I wouldn’t be surprised if Littlefinger bit the dust early next season.
      If I’m right…And I really believe I am…remember you heard it here first! 😉

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    109. Even Knights of Vale hailed Jon King in the North. Royce who was sitting close to Jon and Sansa. Kinda surprised by that. Only one who wasn’t shouting King in the North was Littlefinger and Sansa. How fitting but Sansa smiled at Jon. Littlefinger was plotting next move for him and to get what he wants.

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    110. Geralt of Rivia:
      Nadia,

      Wouldn’t be surprised if Jon resigns. It would be devastatint blow to him on personal level.

      Why should it be a blow to him?

      If the truth is something horrible-something that kills the image of Ned that Jon has built up- then yes it’d be a hard pill for him to swallow. But as it is he’d be even more grateful and even more proud of the uncle who sacrificed honor to protect him.

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    111. For me as a book reader who have waited 9 years for the story to get to this point the episode was very emotional. I cried half of the episode ;( Lol 😀
      So emotional right now… For me this was definitely best episode of the series thus far. Perfection.

      The music, the pacing, the dialogue… Just perfect.

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    112. Oh my…..Did no one notice what King Jon says to Sansa !?!?!

      “FATHER ALWAYS PROMISED DIDN’T HE?”

      Duuuh…..“Promise me, Ned!”
      Despite the hype around Lyanna Mormont, if she doesnt continue as a crucial player next season then having her give that main speech will dissappoint me – it shouldve been Sansa, being the Stark, IMO

      I loved the way Manderly mentioned King Robb Stark fondly…made me cry! Oh I still miss you Robb!!!

      Im thinking Mel will go South, join BwB and be their LS

      Also Daario mentioning CR and Lannisters was nice too.

      Man i’m so sad for the Tyrells…esp Margaery!

      So theres King of the North & Queen of Dragons the goodies and Night’s King & Mad Queen the baddies
      (Cersei’s only chance is now if she marries Nights King and joins him !!)

      Daeny’s awesome and all that – but I wish as soon as her dragons see Rhaegar’s son they scratch their heads and join him instead.

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    113. Josh L,

      don´t forget Freys, Karstarks and Umbers…And Im pretty sure the Florents who Selyse Baratheon belonged to are gone as well…They will be followed by House Arryn,shortly

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    114. This truly worries me. Why bringing up marriage issue? Ugh. I don’t like the idea of Dany getting political marriage in the future. Tho I must admit, I can see it coming.
      All I can hope is that her future husband is not Jon, I prefer him being forever single, haha.
      Just get Robin Arryn, as he is also available for Dany to marry :/

      Btw, I’m disappointed. Why proclaimed Jon as White Wolf when Ghost is nowhere to be seen?

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    115. Thought that in this episode we would see the last of Carice van Houten, but instead we probably have seen the last of Michiel Huisman. Hope for a new Dutchie in the cast next season.

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    116. In behind the scenes Sophie said that Sansa might turn on Jon or might not. It’s unpredictable. It’s getting interesting.

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    117. traveljunkie:
      Now that Daenerys is sailing towards Westeros, I am really curious to find out next year:

      -will they cut or rush Sam’s story now because it should be much further as in the books?

      RG: should’ve

      His part was much earlier in time considering he saw the white ravens being released I think?

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    118. Using good headphones to see if I could hear what Lyanna whispered to Ned. She actually said something more than what was already written in the recap.
      What I could make out of it was: “His name is … [a name ending on an “s”?].”
      And then what was already mentioned: “If Robert finds out he’ll kill him. You know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me Ned. Promise me.”

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    119. AlexG:
      Josh L,

      don´t forget Freys, Karstarks and Umbers…And Im pretty sure the Florents who Selyse Baratheon belonged to are gone as well…They will be followed by House Arryn,shortly

      It looks like the Endgame (i.e. D & D making sense of GRRM’s original outline based on his notes and discussions with him) will be all about Starks, Lannisters, Targaryens, white walkers and dragons.

      NOT: fAegon, Darkstar, Arianne Martell, Penny the she-dwarf, etc.

      *shocking*

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    120. gewa76:
      If that’s the end of Daario, I have to ask, “Why did that character ever exist?”

      Sometimes a girl is horny and wants to get some. Plus Daario was useful for character / relationship development with Dany herself, Jorah and other characters.

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    121. <blockquote
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      Geralt of Rivia,

      There just don’t need to be dany tyrion and jon love triangle..

      I believe tyrion was taken back by the acknowledgement he received at the hands of dany and how much she respects him…no one ever was given that to him his family never respected him people did not believed in him ..

      And hence he kneels and if there is anyone who us wise enough to understand that he is not fit for dragon queen then it is tyrion ..so I don’t think he or show is going that way..

      It did look like he was named something..I would love to just have him as jon no need to have other names because it seems irrelevant ..

      Yes please, no love triangles. Besides, I don’t know if the show has time to go into all this.

      I assume the only reason Lyanna mentioning Jon’s true name was muted was because we are not yet supposed to know he had a Targaryen name. Otherwise, I don’t see what importance his name could have. He might very well have been named Aemon, (Jon in his chidlhood loved to declare that he was Prince Aemon the Dragonknight) but I prefer Jon itself.

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    122. Great episode

      Have to say Sipochnik has really impressed me even further, after Hardhome. Not.only.is he great with battle episodes but the Sept.scene was some fantastic fantastic suspenseful stuff

      Love the themes around Cersei, everything she touches becomes corrupted which is a large point of Ser Robert, eg Kingsguard is now corrupted as there’s a zombie as Lord Commander

      I reckon Unella dies.like other women Qyburn “used” and part of that mystery may be explained. Ugh

      My opinions have adjusted, no Cleganebowl at all, but i reckon Cersei strips Jaimie.of his position for not coming from RR it will be Jaimie who kills the Mountain and fills the blank page with the deed before burning it (or something)

      I loved ToJ, can we actually hear what she said, or was this Bran hearing stuff about Rhaegar which Bran will pass on later?

      Love the baby, not sure if it’s been photoshopped but really does look like brooding Kit haha

      Dawn in that scene placed at the bed got me thinking. I reckon Mel actually ends up in Dorne, eg she’s been sent there by her Lord in effect. She’ll retrieve Dawn as ordered in flames, take it back to Jon who will execute her by stabbing in Hear (R’hlor flaming heart) of course when he draws it out it will be tempered and alight as Lightbringer

      Am expecting Sansa to take up power in RL, strike Cersei down. Later Arya will kill her (Dance of Wolves and Hounds etc)

      Fantastic episode

      Great music

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    123. I wonder why it appears Howland Reed wasn’t at the banquet. Most of the bannermen seems to be in attendance. I was hoping he’d make a brief appearance in anticipation of his daughter’s pending return.

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    124. ForestLight,

      Wishful thinking by some. Trust me, they have set up for Sansa to continue being swayed by Littlefinger next season. The signs are all there and the actors just confirm it.

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    125. Queenofthrones: Sometimes a girl is horny and wants to get some.Plus Daario was useful for character / relationship development with Dany herself, Jorah and other characters.

      Someone had to stay behind and keep everything in check!Rather him than Grey worm or missandei being left behind

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    126. Dominika:

      And i’m worried for Jon again. I had this bad feeling while they were screaming “The King in the North”

      I didn’t worry when I was watching it. (I was busy crying. LOL.) But after watching the Inside the Episode video and Benioff said, “We have to be a little bit worried about Jon”, I felt some trepidation about the upcoming season. Oh no. Don’t go there, GRRM/D&D. Ever.

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    127. Thronetender,

      I think you’re right, that’s probably what the writers were thinking, though I still feel like seeing her learn of his death would have added to the drama of it all.

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    128. I don’t see white walkers being any sort of competition if Jon and dany team up. ..

      and I think dario is done …He might be mentioned once or twice but he is done ..no more Essos. …

      varys being on that ship was unnecessary but not illogical ….

      music up front felt funny ..to me .. but it grew on me ….and after a while ….I was really enjoying it …dany on the ship was really good to see…..There is no way anyone can stop her …….

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    129. Eligible men with armies in Westeros.

      Jon Snuh (the king in the north!)

      Robyn Arryn / Littlefinger

      Jaime Lannister

      Euron Greyjoy

      So those are danys choices pretty much. Of course she can lead on one or more of them ala Elizabeth I.

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    130. ThisGirlHasNoName,

      True. I’m sure the writers probably didn’t think of it, or maybe they have other plans for how Jon will learn of his parentage, but honestly if Howland is alive (which he is supposed to be), why wouldn’t he reveal it at this point ?

      The fear of Jon being killed for it is moot, since he is in open rebellion against the crown anyway.

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    131. Nadia,

      Because when lyanna starts whispering to ned she says his name is something that start with an A.Bran not only understood what he was sayig but he also heard what lyanna said.You can see it in his face.Next season he will talk about it when he meets JON

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    132. dragonbringer,

      Yes. I found it weird that Sophie said that. But then, that’s also what Kit said in a way (about Jon not learning his lesson and not paying attention to what Sansa’s feeling). So my guess is that’s how they’ve been briefed by the writers/director about their stories.

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    133. ygritte,

      Killing Littlefinger is Sansas endgame. They can’t rush it – so yeah there will be some push-pull next season. But he’s now laid his hand out for her to see. Eventually she’ll find out about Ned, make her move, and rid the world of Littlefinger.

      What’s going to be difficult to tell next season is how much Sansa is acting / playing LF and how much she’s actually being played by him.

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    134. Darkrobin:

      Arya – revenge is a pie best served cold … or something like that …I do worry about her … when her lists are cleared … will she be able to have a normal life … whatever that is

      Yes, after crossing everyone in her list, she’ll settle down with Gendry, the last remaining heir of Robert Baratheon. He’s got to have come ashore somewhere by now, right?

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    135. First off, thank you Sue for building such an awesome community. It makes the show that much more enjoyable!

      One thing I keep thinking about, now that the season is over and everything’s jumbling around in my brain. The relationships between the characters.

      There’s so much interconnectedness that the battles to come are going to get really confusing for a lot of characters. Whose fighting who, who is on whose side. Who stays loyal. Who betrays. Just a few I’m thinking about:

      Jorah/Lyanna. Loyal to Dany of course. But what happens when he sees his niece for the first time? I assume that Dany and Jon will *eventually* be on the same side, but I don’t think it’ll be an instant thing.

      Jaime/Brienne/Tyrion/Sansa/Bronn: This little fivesome – currently serving on three very different teams – has so many interconnections. Tyrion – the little brother Jaime tried to protect, who is now sailing to help another take the throne from their sister and Jaime’s lover. Sansa, the wife Tyrion respected and whom Jaime believes helped kill his son. Brienne, the woman I still have hope to ship with both Jaime and Tormund (hey why not, she deserves two strapping men), who has pledged her sword to Sansa even as she loves Jaime. Even Bronn, former best bud to Tyrion, now the right hand of Jaime.

      That all doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface.

      Who will end up on which side? We’re in for such a treat.

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    136. Listening now to the beautiful soundtrack, Ramin Djawadi you’ll be missed terribly the next series, if it is right, what I’ve read in some articles and Sadzid Hudic will do next year the soundtrack. So it’ll stay on the german-speaking composers.

      To Sue and all of writers: I have already a lot of respect for the Curtain Calls you’ll write now and the work yo’ll put in. Thank you!

      Speaking of Curtain Calls: My joy of this best GoT-Episode was saddened because today it was made public, that Götz George, one of the most iconic german actors, is dead.

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    137. As for what stips Dany

      A certain Jon Snow

      This is obviously his ascension as Stark and we’ll see some of that later, eg North vs RL we had it confirmed he’s Lyannas son

      My guess is Bran and Howland Reed will blab about how he’s Rhaegars son when it comes to that side, eg his Targaryen arc

      My guess is they’ll have the Daynes rebel against the Sands (Darkstar plot?)

      This will be a great reversal of Jorah vs Lyanna, eg under Dany Tyrion is Lord of Casterly Rock, Yara is Queen of Iron Islands (loves the Sun over Greyjoy banners) Jorah is pardoned Lord of Bear Island so fascinatingly there is the prospect of Lyanna vs Jorah Mormont #Bearbowl

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    138. Probably the best finale GoT has ever done. That entire King’s Landing sequence felt like an episode on its own, beautiful music, the suspense (even though you know its coming) and all that topped off with something I did not expect: Cersei becoming the Queen of Madness literally while Jaime watches. Incidentally it is also the best episode of the season for me (the Door comes close though), just amazing television. Loved every scene, from the horror of the wildfire, to the splendor of the library, to Theon watching that banner, to King in the North and the Promise, to… well you get the point!

      Will watch the season again soon to get a good sense where it belongs in the hierarchy (for now I suspect a 3rd place after season 1 and 4). Only disappointing episode was “No One”, all the other ones were either mediocre (“The Red Woman”), to good (“Blood of my Blood”, “The Broken Man”) to simply amazing (“Home”, “Oathbreaker”, “Book of the Stranger”, “The Door”, “Battle of the Bastards”, “The Winds of Winter”). “The Door” and “The Winds of Winter” definitely belong amongst the series best episodes.

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    139. Oh yeah

      Sam finally got to Citadel looking forward to seeing it pn opening credits (hopefully Jagen goes there, can get some more Tom Whathisname)

      Big special mention goes to the epic flock of White Birds

      Loved the shot of it on Winterfell

      WINTER IS HERE!

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    140. RG:

      Where’s Ghost? Where’s the Hound? Someone save Sansa from his mind games.And save the actors because–there is no need for tension. Jon did acknowledge her. Jon said she was a Stark-made up the Lord’s bedroom for her-thanked her for saving them and winning the battle. What else is the guy supposed to do, fall on his sword? He can’t help it if people want to follow him. He didn’t campaign or anything. KING IN THE NORTH!
      Also Lyanna Mormont for everything. She made stubborn Northern lords say they were SORRY. That was beautiful. Oh and for the bloodline people? Jon is still a Stark. He is Ned reincarnated in his behavior-Ned’s sister is his mother-he has a dire wolf…he’s a Stark. He just also happens to be a Targaryen so…extra badass.

      Jon is indeed the SON(g) of Ice and Fire. 🙂

      Oh, how I wished Ghost was there when they declared him the White Wolf. I guess they ran out of budget after that marvelous BotB episode.

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    141. Watching it back, I love the look on Littlefinger’s face when Lord Manderly declares Jon King in the North.

      It’s a proper “aww, f**k” kinda look.

      Re. Sansa and Littlefinger, Brienne needs to get her ass back to Winterfell so that she’s there to lay some truth-bombs on Sansa if she even considers siding with Littlefinger.

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    142. weirwoodtreehugger:
      I’ve never been a Jon and Dany shipper in the slightest but I’m starting to wonder if it’s going to happen.Dany talked about marriage, but who is she actually going to marry?Tyrion and Theon are already on her side.Edmure is I guess still a prisoner and already married.Sweet Robin still lives, but no.Just no.The only powerful bachelor right is Jon.Hmm.

      One of them could actually die in the end. Bittersweet ending. I won’t be surprised if GRRM goes there.

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    143. Anyone else love the way Lyanna Mormont/Bella Ramsay said the word “Call”

      Haha she’s been one of the standouts, even her wordless look of disdain while on the Pony towards Ramsay last week was great

      The Glover scene earlier made sense as well, he’s ended up with prominent King in the North part etc, he can help House aforeestet yake their home back from the Whitehills now

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    144. Ghost’s Lunch:
      Oh yeah

      Sam finally got to Citadel looking forward to seeing it pn opening credits (hopefully Jagen goes there, can get some more Tom Whathisname)

      Big special mention goes to the epic flock of White Birds

      Loved the shot of it on Winterfell

      WINTER IS HERE!

      It’s Tom Wlaschiha.

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    145. Did anyone else notice that a number of those who survived in the end was wearing black and silver? Jon, Sansa, Cersei, Olenna, Daenarys? Not sure what it means, but it was an interesting visual motif.

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    146. Insomnia333:
      heh, saw this in the comment on another site and thought it was perfect:
      “Who is going to play the role of Lady Stoneheart?”
      “No one”

      Ha! “I’m not a Lady” Stoneheart confirmed!

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    147. Sam: One of them could actually die in the end. Bittersweet ending. I won’t be surprised if GRRM goes there.

      Not sure if they die

      But both could end up with the simple life

      Eg Dany with her Red Door and Jon ranging, possible in Ghost

      Could reign over the super pack along with Arya in Nymeria….#Ghosteria

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    148. Also, wonder if Daario might go after Tyrion

      Seems rather dodgy in the books

      He may not be Euron, nut there’s nothing to stop him teaming up with him

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    149. Josh L:
      So I guess Sophie Turner wasn’t trolling when she said Arya would check 3 names off her list.

      1. Walder Frey
      2. Black Walder Frey
      3. Lothar Frey

      (The latter two should be added to the list of deaths, FYI.)

      And Red Wedding Revenge is officially done!Three years in the making.

      But who will take up the stupid hats of the fallen Freys now?

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    150. Geralt of Rivia:
      Liam Cunnigham said that Jon and Sansa won’t be pretty so it looks worrying. Also that there is anger and jealousy from Sansa according to Benioff. I didn’t see any of that in episode 10.

      Right? I watched it a second time and still didn’t get that vibe! Kit, Sophie, Liam, and D&D are trolling us, I think. 🙂

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    151. Angeala95:

      But yay Arya Stark is back!! Get on one of those jet packs and go straight to Jon!! He needs his little sister.

      The Jon-Arya reunion will be so emotional. I imagine them having the same dialogue as Ned-Lyanna (as it often happens on this show).
      Arya: I missed you, big brother.
      Jon: I missed you, too.

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    152. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man:
      Watching it back, I love the look on Littlefinger’s face when Lord Manderly declares Jon King in the North.

      It’s a proper “aww, f**k” kinda look.

      Re. Sansa and Littlefinger, Brienne needs to get her ass back to Winterfell so that she’s there to lay some truth-bombs on Sansa if she even considers siding with Littlefinger.

      It’s not Brienne who has the Truth Bomb, it is Sandor Clegane. S1E07.

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    153. Everyone’s final moments acting were splendid in King’s Landing : Loras’s confession, Margaery’s understanding of the situation, Mace’s horror in front of Loras’s torture, the High Sparrow finally expressing fear… Pycelle’s face even made me think of a little boy’s frightened and sad expression. It’s only a shame they didn’t develop Kevan a bit more.

      The burning of the High Sparrow and the court seemed very, if not extremely, instant. Do you think they actually suffered ?

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    154. Good episode. There’s always room for some nitpicks, but it worked out well enough. Some excellent and dramatic moments and developments. I just wish they’d shifted some of them into the episodes after The Door. There was a bit of a lull in the action at that point in the season, but perhaps it’ll be fine when watching the episodes back to back later this year.

      Bring on Season 7!

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    155. Don’t care about ‘jet pack’ or ‘time travelling’ remarks. Events don’t happen chronologically, that’s fine with me.

      Three minor quibbles though:
      1) wildfire is very volatile and extremely flammable. “When you piss on it, your cock burns off”. Thinking about a small fire that started in London bakery in 1666 and almost burned the entire city down… how could Cersei know that the wildfire stash wouldn’t burn down the whole city? Why did the fire go out in the first place?
      2) where was Ghost!?! Come on, guys, one shot of the direwolf at Jon’s side would have been enough.
      3) Walder Frey all alone? Two sons in the pie? How did she manage? Getting in, getting out,,, How did Arya know that they (of all the enormous amounts of Freys) killed Talisa and Catelyn? How did she get to them? Was all a little too convenient…

      And a question: we saw a photo of Bran on a horse or pony released before. Did I miss that shot in the episode?

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    156. Whichever Northman: “He’s the White Wolf!”

      Jon: “D’oh! $#!+! You know I used to have one of those. What did I do with him? Anyone seen an enormous white direwolf running around loose anywhere? You there, get some mutton and go looking for him. He answers to Ghost, or “Ghost, to me.” usually. Also, print up some flyers and post them on the trees and around the villages. $50 reward. Contact King Jon. Thanks. Now…Where were we?”

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    157. Sam,

      They really are.I mean I’m sure there will be tension and LF will be LF but no way it ends with Sansa betraying Jon for good.If that was the case I bet everything they would all be saying how united they are and how much they love each other lol,no way they give away plot points.Point is they can’t leave us thinking it’s all sunshines and rainbows for our heroes so they throw in everything to make us talk

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    158. Another 10/10 for me.

      So many fantastic things.

      – Dany going to Westeros with that huge fleet
      – Everything with Cersei
      – Lyanna Mormont
      – Jon named King of the North
      – the music
      – Davos confronting Melisandre
      – Olenna telling the Sand Snakes what’s up

      I am going to miss Margaery!

      The war of the five kings is over. It seems that the queens will be taking over. Dany is super powerful, so I wonder if Cersei and most likely Euron are stupid enough to take her on.

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    159. I wonder where Euron will turn up with his 1000 ships. I’m betting on an alliance with the Mad Queen – the Lannisters are going to need some reinforcements, to have a genuine chance of beating Dany’s Coalition of the Thrilling. Cersei + Euron and his 1000 ships = a fight on her hands.

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    160. Queenofthrones,

      I wonder if Danaerys marrying Jaime Lannister will be like the exiled Henry VII returning to England and marrying the daughter of a rival house? No, wait, she’s not gonna marry the man who killed her father.

      Right now, it looks like the battles are Dany/Martell/Tyrell vs. Mad Queen Cersei in the south… and Jon, King in the North/The Night’s Watch/The Brotherhood vs. The Night’s King in the North.

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    161. Jenny:
      Sam,

      They really are.I mean I’m sure there will be tension and LF will be LF but no way it ends with Sansa betraying Jon for good.If that was the case I bet everything they would all be saying how united they are and how much they love each other lol,no way they give away plot points.Point is they can’t leave us thinking it’s all sunshines and rainbows for our heroes so they throw in everything to make us talk

      Thank you! I actually wished I didn’t watch those videos. I wouldn’t get a sense of what they’re talking about if not for those. Anyway, they’re creating drama, that is all and that’s understandable. Can’t be all roses for them wolves from here on. However, I’m sure they’d realize soon enough that “a lone wolf dies but the pack survives”. Unite, Starks, unite. And kill that weasel LF and avenge your family.

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    162. I am listening to Ramin Djawadi’s beautiful soundtrack. Wow!

      But I need some help, please? Where do I find the socalled Greyjoy theme? I guess it must be from season 2 – but what is the number called on the album?

      Huge thanks in advance.

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    163. Best season finale episode for me 🙂

      I am quite literally fanwanking this one…

      “Promise me, Ned”

      FREY PIE!

      Too much to take in as yet…

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    164. I actually thought despite what the actors said about a split between Jon v Sansa – that Sansa is keeping her friends close but her enemies closer. She is playing LF; it wouldn’t be believable Of her to be 100% trusting with him so she’s appearing wary but also giving him some hope that his little whispers are being heard. That he might win her over with his promises. I believe she totally sees and knows what he’s doing and she’s leading him on; she’s going to catch him out when he inevitably makes his move on Jon.

      On another note I was really shocked that Edmure is back in a Frey cell- so Jaime’s promise to let Edmure live with his Frey wife and baby at Casterley Rock – was just another broken promise?

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    165. Corbyn Stark: I wonder if Danaerys marrying Jaime Lannister will be like the exiled Henry VII returning to England and marrying the daughter of a rival house? No, wait, she’s not gonna marry the man who killed her father.

      Ha, Jaime x Daenerys has been a guilty pleasure ship of mine for years… They would have such beautiful children (and TBH I think they are each others’ “type” in a way – heck we confirmed last episode he likes Blondes, right? What’s more blonde than a Targ chick*?? :p

      Anyway Dany in the show has come to terms with her Dad being a monster so it’s not THAT crazy. In E9 she appeared to totally accept Tyrion telling her that Jaime killed him because he was going to murder everyone in KL, in fact that changed her mind. I feel a bit sad about it because I always wanted Jaime to share that fact with her in person…

      * Brienne actually has recent Targaryen heritage. Probably explains why her hair is so blonde it’s almost white.

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    166. What an utter coward King Tommen proved to be at the end. There can’t have been many Kings who committed suicide. I would have loved it had he grown some balls and put his mother back in chains.

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    167. Dragon Tender: If I recall correctly, William of Normandy (the 1066 guy) was also known as “William the Bastard”, since he was the illegitimate son of Robert I of Normandy.

      Jon should do OK.

      You do recall correctly. His mother was Robert I’s mistress.

      Having a big bad army behind you, probably puts your opponents on the defensive 😉

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    168. Anybody think Arya (wearing the serving girl’s face) taking special interest in Jaime has to mean something? Instead of heading north, she may head to KL instead, to take out some Lannisters. It’s very likely that we will get an answer to this from the filming reports itself, of course.

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    169. An oustanding episode with Djawadi’s KL score being the highpoint. Cersei’s assumption of power was masterful but I really wonder who she is going to interact with next season now that all those great, major characters are gone. I admit I am mourning the loss of Maergery , who was smart, savvy, ambitious but seemingly decent.

      And now three of the great houses are gone. Who will Dany marry? I was never a Dany/Jon shipper but it looks likely now.

      Boy am I worried about the Stark girls. Arya killing Walder did not feel satisfying. It was rushed and did Arya really kill, chop and bake two grown men? That is awfully gruesome and the little smile she had while killing Walder, as deserved as that death was, did not feel right. Much like Sansa’s little smirk last week. I just don’t see how Arya can come back from this.

      Having real mixed emotions about Jon being KitN. It’s understandable on the one hand, the WW are here and no one knows them better than Jon. But Sansa’s succession rights were just set aside and that kind of cast a shadow on the moment for me. I will keep my trust in the Jon-Sansa alliance and that Sansa will keep Jon’s back against and eventually kill LF but still hating the writers that they can’t give us an unambiguous Stark show of unity.

      In the meantime, Dany continues to acquire admirers/ followers without any effort, Tyrion being the newest addition without giving us any reason. The Dothraki seem to have been born at sea, not showing any kind of distress at crossing the poison water, something they have been taught to fear since they were born.

      Will have to see it more than once, maybe I’ll change my mind.

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    170. After rewatching: Did Sansa actually thought Lyanna was talking about her when she was declaring for the one whose name is Stark? When she said the word “bastard” Sansa looked surprised and disappointed.

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    171. WightsNatch: Don’t care about ‘jet pack’ or ‘time travelling’ remarks. Events don’t happen chronologically, that’s fine with me.

      It is poor editing / directing to have two consecutive, emotionally connected, contrasting scenes and then throw in a pointless visual whose only logical resolution is to assume the two scenes actually occurred months apart. Maybe that doesn’t bother you, but it smacks some of us upside the head like a sack of rocks. Would your experience have been any worse if Varys were not there? Not a whit. You would have never noticed, or if you did think about it, would have deemed it logical because he was still in or near Dorne. In contrast, as soon as that appeared in my screen, ZOOM! I am no longer enjoying Dany’s triumph, but thinking for the millionth time “wtf, D&D?”. I much prefer the former, as do many. So what’s the downside of getting it right and having it make sense? Inconsistencies don’t bother all or even most watchers, but they really irk some of them, so why include them unless absolutely necessary to compress the plot into TV limitations?

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    172. Chad Brick,

      Events don’t happen chronologically. And it could have taken Varys as little as a month in total to go to Dorne and back. Which seems perfectly reasonable and not rushed at all.

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    173. I have a question I’m wondering if the mods can address (maybe even with a post?), or if not then some kind commenter.

      Now that it’s all over, what the heck was up with the spoiler situation? I avoided it when I could but is it really the case that there were actual legitimate spoilers for the entire season out there? Was this very different than previous years (which I though I remember ended up being wrong most of the time)? Were they the “reddit spoilers” I saw mentioned? Was this someone in the production who actually had the scripts and leaked information? Was it all about the last episode, or about stuff throughout the season?

      And although I avoided direct spoilers for the most part, I now think that a lot of “speculation” I saw throughout the season was actually based on the spoilers. Like when I was talking about Cersei doing the wildfire thing back in episode 6 and everyone said “nah it’s too early”. And people seeming so sure that LF/Vale would be (almost) the only force to help the Starks, even though it would have equally made narrative sense for other Northern Houses, or the Tully force, or even the Lannister force to join. There are other examples of vague stuff like that where I wasn’t spoiled exactly, but I still feel a little sullied, if you know what I mean?

      I guess I’d like to know more, because I want to know whether I should just “go dark” next season. I tried to do that this season but eventually (re-) joined the fray. But if spoilers are gonna end up being “real” I might try harder to resist the temptation. Or use another site (probably the no book talk threads on previously.tv) for my speculations…

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    174. Jenny:
      Sam,

      They really are.I mean I’m sure there will be tension and LF will be LF but no way it ends with Sansa betraying Jon for good.If that was the case I bet everything they would all be saying how united they are and how much they love each other lol,no way they give away plot points.Point is they can’t leave us thinking it’s all sunshines and rainbows for our heroes so they throw in everything to make us talk

      This! if this was really going to be the storyline next year, there is no way they give it away through interviews, now itself. They are doing this to keep up the interest in the off season. There may be a couple of episodes where we doubt Sansa’s intentions, but ultimately she won’t betray Jon.
      My one problem with the KitN scene was when Glover (I think it was) declared that he would follow Jon Snow because he avenged the Red Wedding. This was a weird thing to say when everybody knew that the Vale knights (and by extension Sansa) had a big part in the victory. I can imagine them following Jon because he led the battle, but to say he was the one to avenge the RW, they all must know that that’s not entirely true. I wonder what was the point of that statement. That they are so misogynistic that they are being willfully blind?

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    175. This episode topped the last one, it was the very best of the season, the best of the series. The first 20 minutes were outstanding.
      Can we have Sapochnik direct all the episodes of the next two seasons, please?
      And possibly keep letting him alter the scripts a bit? All his adjustments were awsome.

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    176. QueenofThrones: Anyway Dany in the show has come to terms with her Dad being a monster so it’s not THAT crazy. In E9 she appeared to totally accept Tyrion telling her that Jaime killed him because he was going to murder everyone in KL, in fact that changed her mind.

      No, yeah, that’s a very good point. Could actually happen, then, since we all know how TV execs, even on HBO, love to put “The Beautiful people” together. Plus Brienne’s heading in Tormund’s direction anyway 😉

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    177. SANSA SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE DECLARING JON KITN

      Instead she just sit there and says nothing? Really D&D? She’s the goddamn true heir to Winterfell for god’s sake, she should’ve speak up. I can’t believe this David and Dan, i fucking can’t.

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    178. the girl who played lyanna stark was really beautiful. great choice.

      i loved how sansa and littlefinger looked at each other when jon was declared king in the north. i had that feeling that sansa wasn’t too pleased with it. maybe she and littlefinger will conspire together in s7… can’t wait to see how this will turn out.

      and: THAT LIBRARY! i want to go there.

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    179. The First 20 minutes of the episode were like the end of the Godfather films with Cirsei just taking everyone out. Excellently put together. KL was a total bore until then. That with the ‘Hold the Door’ sequence were the 2 best of the season.

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    180. QueenofThrones,

      There was a redditor, who had leaked a lot of details about the season before ep 4 itself. And once the episodes aired, people realized that everything he said was true. He was 100% correct. He had spoiled Dany’s big scene in ep 4, Osha’s death and the manner of death, the Hodor moment in ep 5 (in this case he was so brief and did not spoil the whole sequence). He had described how Rickon died and that Jon would be KitN. That’s why so many people were sure of this. We even knew Lyanna Mormont would give a speech. One thing he said though which might be relevant to discussions here is that SAnsa supports Jon as king. He also spoiled ToJ. There were a couple of others too on reddit who were legit. No idea about spoilers in the previous seasons though, as I did not follow GOT online last season.

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    181. The War of Kings and Queens begins!
      The Mad Queen and Queen on the Iron Throne, Cersei Lannister
      The White Wolf and King in the North Jon Snow
      The Dragon Queen and Queen of the South, Daenerys Targaryen
      The Drowned King and King of the Iron Fleet, Euron Grejoy
      … and finally…
      King of Winter and the White Walkers, the Night King

      We’re at the home stretch. All debts are settled, homes reclaimed, prophecies fulfilled and secrets revealed. Things that will happen going forward:
      1. Littlefinger tearing a rift between Sansa and Jon; Bran’s reunion with his family mending the wound and bridging between them with his important knowledge that changes everything; Sansa finally choosing family over power and executing Littlefinger for his crimes
      2. Euron and Dany clashing in Oldtown, with Euron having a trick up his sleeve; Sam learning an important secret at the Citadel, the key to defeating the White Walkers; Sam meets Dany and tells her of the Northern threat
      3. Cersei’s cold turn pushing Jaime away; Cersei deciding to “burn them all” at the face of Dany’s unstoppable army and setting King’s Landing on fire; Jaime finally accepting the evil that is his sister and ending her just as he ended the Mad King, only to die holding her corpse in the ashes of King’s Landing
      4. Dany stepping into the ashes that remain of the Throne room and the city; Tyrion finding his brother and sister dead in eachother’s arms and laying claim to Casterly Rock
      5. The Wall coming down, and the White Walkers crossing it

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    182. “FREY PIE: I’m glad to see it happen, but at the same time, damn. That was stone cold terrifying. Arya has gone to a deep dark place and I’m worried about her, more than ever.”
      Agree…however…
      She killed a serving girl took her face (can’t just take a fresh face from the halls she is miles away) then cut up two men cooked them in a pie – with the eye arranged for him to see what he had eaten then slits his throat. Ya Arya is going to come completely apart – the walking living breathing version of Lady Stoneheart. Sadly I think Arya will die before the end. One of my fav characters but she is way to damaged now.

      I cried when Tyrion was made hand of the Queen one of the best scenes ever, I love Tyrion and he finally got the respect from someone. Someone who finally sees him as the true intellectual he is and not a Imp! WOW amazing seen go Danny. And as she said and I think a lot missed – there was not meant to be a connection to her removing her “lover” as she said, she did not feel a thing doing it!

      L+R=J finally took to long to finally come about I was ok got that done – was not the big moment it should have been as too much was given away.

      Sam and the books gave me goosebumps what a stunning shot!

      But the last seen Dany and her dragons WOWOWOWOW we were all standing cheering!!!
      But now for future – is all these actors got massive pay rises it better not have come from the CGI budget as I wants me more Dragons, Direwolves and White walkers please next season!!!!

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    183. singedbylife:
      Chad Brick,

      Events don’t happen chronologically. And it could have taken Varys as little as a month in total to go to Dorne and back. Which seems perfectly reasonable and not rushed at all.

      Varys in Dorne occurred after the burning of the Sept. So did his appearance with Dany. Thus the latter must have occurred well after the Sept burning (many weeks), while Cersei’s coronation occurred immediately afterwards (the Sept was still smoking when Jaime arrived).

      Yes, you can logic you way out of the time trap, but only by assuming poor editing that made things that appeared to be (and should be, from a story perspective!) approximately simultaneous actually occurred far apart in time. There was simply no reason for this. Nothing was gained from it.

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    184. WightsNatch:

      And a question: we saw a photo of Bran on a horse or pony released before. Did I miss that shot in the episode?

      Bob Warren:
      WightsNatch,

      He was on horseback just before Uncle Coldhands left him by the psychedelic tree.

      We missing Tyrion pouring wine back?
      It could be indeed the scene with Benjen, though thought he was actually sitting up from the picture?

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    185. ghost of winterfell,

      Yeh I might not visit this brilliant site as much next year if the same fool is going to leak huge spoilers. I just would not enjoy the episodes to the fullest knowing I’m expecting this or that scene to appear. The fact that he’ll potentially be on set ready to spoil what will be the ending of the show, GoT/HBO need to tighten their security!!

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    186. Qyburn has turned Varys’ little birds into murderers. That guy is probably the most quietly sinister character on the show.

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    187. Just thought about this: does Dawn fulfill the being born under a bleeding star part of the prophesy? They made it quite clear in the ToJ scene that the sword was Dawn, with the closeup of it and all.

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    188. Ser Not Appearing in this Series: You do recall correctly. His mother was Robert I’s mistress.

      Having a big bad army behind you, probably puts your opponents on the defensive

      Also, John I of Portugal was a royal bastard who became king. It’s recurrent throughout history.

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    189. Frokkie:
      “FREY PIE: I’m glad to see it happen, but at the same time, damn. That was stone cold terrifying. Arya has gone to a deep dark place and I’m worried about her, more than ever.”
      Agree…however…
      She killed a serving girl took her face (can’t just take a fresh face from the halls she is miles away) then cut up two men cooked them in a pie – with the eye arranged for him to see what he had eaten then slits his throat. Ya Arya is going to come completely apart – the walking living breathing version of Lady Stoneheart. Sadly I think Arya will die before the end. One of my fav characters but she is way to damaged now.

      Walder mentioned specifically she wasn’t one of his servants, so the face wasnt from a twins servant. Combined with Jacqens face change waaaay back without seeing him physicall taking a face from someone nor having access to hall of faces. I think her stealing the face seems more likely, since it seems possible to carry a face with you somehow

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    190. Atish Vaze,

      ghost of winterfell,

      Ok that’s pretty messed up – seems like it would have to be someone involved with the production of multiple episodes, not just Episode 10. I hope they find out who it was and fire his/her ass. Probably was someone who was pissed off at their bosses. Talk about biting the hand the feeds you. I doubt it was a book purist revenge thing because why the hell would they be working on the show if they hate it so much??

      Ugh well if this is going to be the order of business I probably will not follow this site as closely. Then again that’s what I said last year and yet Here I Stand… :p

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    191. What is wrong with you people?!

      Are none of you paying attention to the fact that Jon’s name is not Jon? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU FUCKIN’ PEOPLE???????? NOBODY UNDERSTANDS!

      I come back here after a night of sleeping and still… just blahblahblah this episode was awesome, blahblahblah, shit happened… blahblahblah R+L=J… but not one mother fuckin’ mention of “his name is…” not fuckin’ ONE?!

      I mean, outside of the comment section where smart people go to shout into the winds of winter.

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    192. Rhaenys Stark:
      Just thought about this: doesDawn fulfill the being born under a bleeding star part of the prophesy? They made it quite clear in the ToJ scene that the sword was Dawn, with the closeup of it and all.

      The sword was definitely very prominent in that scene, but I thought Jon had already been born before Ned reached Lyanna’s room? Maybe the scene is just foreshadowing that Jon will wield Dawn? Idk.

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    193. ghost of winterfell:
      QueenofThrones,

      The guy was not a book reader. He probably works/worked on HBO as he had apparently spoiled True Detective S1 too 2 years ago.

      Does this mean it is known who it is?any source?
      I regret so much reading that , assumed it had to be fake but then it was spot on

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    194. What an amazing and epic 70 minutes of television. It is so easy to forget while watching that this is in fact a TV show and not a blockbuster movie. Outstanding all round: outstanding writing, producing, direction, acting, the score, the cinematography, the suspense… just all of it was amazing! This series had been GOT at the top of its game. I am just so unbelievably excited to see where they go from here. This season has set the bar high for what is left to come.

      A few thoughts before I rewatch it again this evening with my husband (after staying up till 2am to watch and consuming a bottle of wine, I will have missed a great deal).

      Sansa/Jon: To all the shippers out there: do you have siblings? If you do, imagine for a moment, what it would be like to get romantically involved with one of them. Feel a bit sick and creeped out? Well then why the hell are you envisaging that for Jon and Sansa. Perhaps the Cersei/Jaime twincest has desensitised you, but even in the weird and wonderful world of Westeros, incest is still pretty frowned on. At this point in the story (and for their whole lives) Jon and Sansa believe themselves to be half brother and sister, they believe they had the same father. I just don’t see how any of you can think they can just ignore that fact? Is it because they’re both attractive? What gives? There are powerful social and biological mechanisms in play to stop siblings from ever being attracted to one another even if they are the most beautiful human beings on the planet. Reading about all these Sansa/Jon theories really cheapens what has been a powerful sibling reunion and subsequent struggle to figure out how to live harmoniously together. Perhaps it’s strange seeing a Stark with another Stark in a familial way, but I see nothing at all romantic about their interactions. Even when they find out their cousins, they will always have grown up thinking of one another as siblings. There’s just no way it’s going to happen! If you need a Jon ship, look no further than Lyanna Mormont 😀 in ten years time or so. She is so incredibly amazing. Besides, that’ll give him time to get over Ygritte.

      Jon/Sansa part two: I was wary about Sansa’s intentions after last episode, but seeing her heart-felt and genuine discussion with Jon and how happy she was when everyone hailed him KITN (setting aside the look she gave LF for a moment), I believe she wants nothing more than to ally herself with the only family she has left and support him as much as she can. That part where she was telling him that regardless of his bastard status, he’ll always be a Stark to her, was the most telling to me. Either Sansa has become a really good actress, or more likely, that was genuine and heartfelt. LF is trying to mess with her head as always, but she’s smarter than that now. That look she cast him at the end of that powerful scene strikes me not as a look of torn-allegiance and feelings, but instead as a look of caution and warning. She knows LF can’t be trusted and she fears for Jon’s life at this point. I would hate to be wrong 🙂 I can’t wait for the whole set to come together next season and Stark it up at Winterfell before all hell breaks loose – that’s assuming Bran comes South of the wall and Arya heads north rather than south. How amazing would it be to see the last surviving Starks come together?

      Cersei/Dany: So I have to say, I was thrilled by how much this episode manipulated me into loathing Cersei again. I really think she has gone to the top of my list of most hateful characters. Where last week I was routing for her to beat the HS, this week, I was sickened to the core by what she has become. I can’t wait for Dany to arrive and destroy the mad queen (though perhaps Jaime will beat her to it). I find it odd that after blowing up the sept, killing hundreds of people (including the queen and the hand of the king) and then assuming the throne for herself when she has no entitlement to it, that people aren’t going, “Wait a minute…WTF?” I guess she has the gold-cloaks on side? Aren’t the Tyrell army still there? Why isn’t anyone contesting this… That was the only bit that struck me as a little strange in the whole episode. Having said that, who else is there to rule? Until Dany returns and/or/if Jon’s parentage comes to light, there is no one else. The Baratheons are destroyed. I am really looking forward to seeing Cersei’s downfall. I guess she’s the new super-villain in the show from next season.

      Jaime: I have to say, I have been a bit annoyed this season by how Jaime’s feelings towards Cersei are so very different to how he feels in the books at this point. Seeing the climax of that corronation scene, with the hatred in Jaime’s face as he guessed what his sister had done, it gave me pause. In the books, it feels like there are a series of events that happen that gradually make Jaime hate his sister and we are exposed to these through his POVs. In the show, I think it will have been too hard to adapt this plot and so going for this approach, is actually a lot more effective. You can see the betrayal and hatred in his face. I am really worried for him. How is he not going to go absolutely queen-slayer on his sister at the start of next season?

      Continuity: I find it amazing that in a show this complex, with a dozen or so different storylines going on, that people gripe about characters appearing in two locations in the same episode. If anybody still thinks all this stuff is happening in real time and concurrently in each episode, then you haven’t been paying attention. How long do you think it would take to paint two thousand sails (2 per ship) and organise two armies, one 100,000 strong and the other 10s 000 strong? I imagine quite a while, maybe even a couple of months. That is plenty of time for Varys to return from Dorne. The makers of the show put segments where they narratively make sense. We, the audience, need to accept that time is not linear in this show. We might be watching a scene with Dany that is followed by a scene with Jon that took place perhaps three weeks before the one about Dany. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I find it a strange thing to nitpick about.

      All in all, an absolutely amazing episode! I am still too hyped up to start to think about the next ten GOT-free months.

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    195. Rhaenys Stark:
      Just thought about this: does Dawn fulfill the being born under a bleeding star part of the prophesy? They made it quite clear in the ToJ scene that the sword was Dawn, with the closeup of it and all.

      I doubt it, because Jon was already born before Ned entered the room.

      Besides, that prophecy has already been fulfilled by Deanerys

      ‘When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone’

      The prophecy that Jon MAY fulfill is this one below

      ‘There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him’

      and this one clearly does not require being born under bleeding stars, it requires pulling out or forging Lightbringer under bleeding stars.

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    196. We might have know how this season was going to go and end, but now… What? We know nothing, I’m mean, what’s going to happen in season 7? We have a year to find out, unfortunately.

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    197. Well, Arya is not taking the family reunion seriously at all. Once again, her kill list takes higher priority over hightailing it back to Winterfell. So much for that declaration to Jaqen. It doesn’t seem like Arya will ever be interested in going home. Yes, Old Frey is dead, but I’m really annoyed with Arya, sorry.

      Jon as KITN = Jon as LC. Which means it won’t end well. It’s a cluster fiesta waiting to happen.

      Did not expect Cersei to declare herself queen in her own right. That is quite the impressive coup. Shades of Rhaenyra Targaryen. Let the Dance of Lions begin!

      (Maybe in the end Cersei will be fed to Drogon, who’ll finish her in six bites.)

      🙂

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    198. gewa76,

      Because we aren’t done with Daario?

      GRRM always said there is more to Daario, now the show could just be using him for sexposition but GRRM made it seem like he does have a future in the books and story.

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    199. Cersei’s look this episode was FIRE. Queen in Black. The level of detail is astounding!

      The Citadel and Sam in the library was breathtaking, he was finally in his element, wonder what damning information he’ll find. The actual look of the Citadel with it’s tower was exactly how I imagined it to look.

      Cannot get LF’s look of utter disdain towards Jon out my head. It’ll be engrained in my mind til S7 arrives bahhh! Jon has Sansa by his side like Ned had Catelyn by his, the former in sibling way of course (just siblings?), LF will do everything he can divide them. I do think the more he acts on his whims and desires the closer he’ll get to death. LF is measured in his moves but he dealt his card to Sansa, this is going to play out in an epic way come Season 7.

      Ramin has to get an Emmy this season, the music this episode was just sublime. For me he was the real winner this episode.

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    200. Moondoor: Walder mentioned specifically she wasn’t one of his servants, so the face wasnt from a twins servant. Combined with Jacqens face change waaaay back without seeing himphysicall taking a face from someone nor having access to hall of faces. I think her stealing the face seems more likely, since it seems possible to carry a face with you somehow

      That would presume Arya left Braavos knowing exactly what she was going to do. Isn’t that presuming a bit too much? She couldn’t have known about Riverrun and the feast at the Towers.
      It’s more plausible that she took a face from a random girl on her way, just not one of the household servants.

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    201. Nadia,

      Right??? I didn’t get Sansa was pissed about the KITN. We are naive too. Of course, she would be angry. Nobody acknowledge the Vale was there because of her. I hope Bran and Arya get home soon.

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    202. Chad Brick: Varys in Dorne occurred after the burning of the Sept. So did his appearance with Dany. Thus the latter must have occurred well after the Sept burning (many weeks), while Cersei’s coronation occurred immediately afterwards (the Sept was still smoking when Jaime arrived).

      Yes, you can logic you way out of the time trap, but only by assuming poor editing that made things that appeared to be (and should be, from a story perspective!) approximately simultaneous actually occurred far apart in time. There was simply no reason for this. Nothing was gained from it.

      lady olenna’s appearance in dorne took place well after the burning of the sept. she had already mourned her family and gotten over her initial grief. she stated cersei had destroyed the future of her entire family. what you would perceive as just minutes after the explosion could have been weeks later.
      there is no evidence to prove cersei took the throne right away. it has already been stated wildfire burns and burns until it burns itself out. it did not burn just the sept. it also destroyed the surrounding buildings. the explosion was shown to flow out into the streets and down the streets destroying even more buildings. it was not just one building but more like a couple of city blocks of buildings. so yes, it is entirely probable the fire would still be burning weeks later. and really, do you think cersei just happens to carry a freshly minted crown around in her pocket on the off chance her son would die and she would make herself queen? it took time to make that crown.
      jaime was at the twins in one scene and outside kings landing the next scene. from the riverlands to kings landing took the better part of an episode in season 1 but just a few minutes in this episode.
      when sam arrived in old town he saw the white ravens being released. yet just a few short minutes later, lo and behold a white raven is approaching winterfell. a raven can fly from point A to point B faster than a person can walk or a horse can run. and maybe even faster than a ship can sail. but unless it has rockets attached to its wings it can’t get from old town to winterfell in minutes.
      the directors and producers cannot spell this out for you like a dick and jane toddler’s book. this is where you have to use your imagination and accept that not everything is going to happen on camera. time goes by without it being put on film.

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    203. Che: Jaime: I have to say, I have been a bit annoyed this season by how Jaime’s feelings towards Cersei are so very different to how he feels in the books at this point. Seeing the climax of that corronation scene, with the hatred in Jaime’s face as he guessed what his sister had done, it gave me pause. In the books, it feels like there are a series of events that happen that gradually make Jaime hate his sister and we are exposed to these through his POVs. In the show, I think it will have been too hard to adapt this plot and so going for this approach, is actually a lot more effective. You can see the betrayal and hatred in his face. I am really worried for him. How is he not going to go absolutely queen-slayer on his sister at the start of next season?

      I saw more “horror” than “hatred” but YMMV.

      To be honest, I really like the way they did this.

      Jaime’s reasons for abandoning Cersei in the books: She was an asshole to him personally and slept with other men.

      Jaime’s reasons for abandoning Cersei in the show: She secretly plots mass murder and crowns herself Queen over the ashes.

      Can someone explain why the first one is “better” than the second, exactly? Or that it makes Jaime a better person, which seems to be what people argue here?

      Cersei in the show is smarter and more subtle than the book version. She shows she’s actually capable of delaying gratification, and plays Jaime like a fiddle this whole season – she actually makes him feel like a hero. Though nevertheless he finds himself equally drawn by Brienne and the life of honor she represents. Jaime is torn, conflicted, uncertain.

      Meanwhile book Cersei is too stupid to realize that she now has to put some effort into keeping Jaime loyal. She mocks him constantly, orders him around, and insists he do her dirty work. It’s very easy for Jaime to let himself despise her. Show Cersei (especially this season) is much harder for Jaime to hate. Until this episode when the scales fell from his eyes in dramatic fashion.

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    204. So, Watchers on the Wall, I can’t possibly check in the chat thread any more, since it has like 10 000 comments on it, so I’ll ask again – will you do 11 “Curtain Calls” now? 😛

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    205. Stargaryen:
      aabe,

      In the final scene the banners were Targaryen and Greyjoy on the ships, not Martell and Tyrell.

      Nope, I checked – there are definitely Martell banners (Yellow with red suns) in addition to the Targ and Greyjoy ones (black with red and gold insignia respectively). I didn’t catch Tyrell but it wouldn’t surprise me if there were a couple.

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    206. Jack Bauer 24,

      Yeah, she has the Lannister army, which I am guessing will get bigger than the current 8,000 that Jamie is controlling. Will regain men from the Crownlands. I am guessing the Tarly’s will come back into play. I would hate for the actor who played Randyll to only get one scene. Who knows maybe Storms End as well. Dany can follow fAegon arc from the book possibly, but with shortened season I don’t see it.

      But you are right, I am guessing once Dany shows up Cersei will know for sure that she can’t win so she chooses to burn the city down with rest of Wildfire and that is when Jamie kills her. Fulfilling the prophecy.

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    207. Geralt of Rivia:
      Did you noticed Dawn that Ned took with him to Lyanna’s chamber. Maybe Jon will wield Dawn and Longclaw will go to Jorah as gift. They seem to make point of Jon, Stark and Mormont connection. Lyanna Mormonts trust in him , Mormont shield used against Ramsey and Jeor opinion on Jon. He valued him and saw potential in him. He gave him the sword and that means something. Probably saw him as a son he never had.

      Jorah is his son.

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    208. Nadia,

      Yeah it is interested. This season was advertised with Dany taking on Dothraki, Jon/Sansa taking on Ramsay, and Lannisters vs the Faith. the fun twist and creative part in all this is all the main characters won their battle this season. dany won over the Dothraki, Jon finished the Boltons, Cersei beat the faith. The first two are good things. Different, but it appears like the good won that battle. But Cersei beating the faith feels like the bad won in this situation won. I mean it is the faith and they do want to do good. Are they fanaticals? Yes. But still doing good. So it is interesting how it ended up when you think about that way. Everyone wanted a new big bad. Looks like Euron and Cersei next season.

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    209. Jaynee D.:

      she stated cersei had destroyed the future of her entire family.

      Ironic Lady Olenna would say this – it was she who destroyed her family, not Cersei.

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    210. Stargaryen,

      Do we really think that Jaime is going to give her the Lannister army? Or that they will rather follow her than Jaime, if he chooses to leave for Casterley Rock? And if he stays in KL… what’s he planning to do? I think he’s too smart to think for a second that Cersei will give up the crown and run away with him (if he even wants that after what she did). She did just murder Kevan and Lancel Lannister so that won’t endear her to the Lannister forces. And she was crowned “Queen” by freaking Qyburn. Who in their right mind would follow her?? Then again we apparently have all Tommen’s (anonymous) KingsGuard backing her. Or maybe they are more Qyburn zombies that stole the KG armor. :p

      I predict the Lannister forces will split in to Pro Jaime and Pro Cersei factions. Then when Dany comes with Tyrion… whew. Most akward family meeting ever.

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    211. Imagine how Jaime must be feeling.

      To see that his dear lover sister has carried out the same atrocity that he ( Jaime ) broke his vow to prevent all those years ago when he condemned himself to forever be called ‘Kingslayer’

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    212. WightsNatch,

      She knew that Black Walder killed Cat because in the season 3 finale she heard some Frey guys talking about it. She and the Hound then killed those guys.

      I don’t know how she knew about Lothar killing Talisa, I guess we have to assume she heard about it in the Riverlands.

      How she knew what Black Walder and Lame Lothar looked like is an another matter.
      I loved the episode, but the stuff with Arya really didn’t make much sense.

      She just appears in the Twins and kills Walder. OK. So she infiltrated the castle, somehow located Lothar and BW, killed them, chopped them up, took their chopped up bodies to the kitchens and baked them into a pie, and then went to kill Walder. No guards, no servants, nothing. Nobody in the kitchens objects.

      It’s all way too easy, and they don’t show us how she did any of it. Now we also have to presume she escaped with no problem.

      Given how easy it was to sneak in and do this, and how fast people travel on the show, what’s to stop her from showing up in Cersei’s chambers in the season 7 premiere and killing her ? She could pose as a handmaiden, a Lannister guard, whatever.

      They’ve literally made it seem like she can just appear anywhere, do whatever she wants, and then escape.

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    213. Nadia,

      See I didn’t get that vibe at all. To me it felt like a genuine conversation that brought jon and Sansa together. I don’t feel like there is some angst still there between them. Sansa will need to keep it together, or choose to be with Littlefinger. Or marry Robin Arryn to keep the Vale in the fold. To me I feel it is more Sansa vs Littlefinger still with Jon having to work with Littlefinger. I think Sansa has Jon’s back. But it appears she will have to play the game for Jon while he leads.

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    214. Jenny:
      Sam,

      They really are.I mean I’m sure there will be tension and LF will be LF but no way it ends with Sansa betraying Jon for good.If that was the case I bet everything they would all be saying how united they are and how much they love each other lol,no way they give away plot points.Point is they can’t leave us thinking it’s all sunshines and rainbows for our heroes so they throw in everything to make us talk

      Exactly! And last year they told us that Jon was dead!

      There are only 13 episodes left. That’s not a lot of time to give us lengthy Jon v. Sansa drama. We have a Mad Queen in KL, angry Jaime, Dany sailing in with her entourage, WW approaching, Bran and his visions, Arya on her revenge tour, Sam at the Citadel and Euron poised to do something.

      Sansa will not betray Jon but she may choose not to be the Lady of WF. Whatever her choice is, she has to make it independently of LF. And honestly, LF’s sphere of influence has changed dramatically. The world will soon be focused on the arrival of one Targaryen in the South, the presumed rise of another one in the North and the battle with the WWs. LF will try to manipulate Sansa but he will underestimate her and the changing world around him. I would like him gone sooner rather than later.

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    215. Ravyn,

      I second that. A second viewing made me realize that I was watching not just Game of Thrones, but something out of this world with how well executed it was with the organ instrument’s support. Best TV moment ever.

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    216. Stargaryen,

      Nevermind there were Tyrell and Martell sails at the end. I didn’t catch that. mmh, they didn’t have to do that. All that does is make people like us go, okay how did that happen in less than 15 minutes. Dany better be crawling up to Westeros in first 10 minutes of season 7. ha ha. wow never caught that. How is Theon going to handle possibly taking on the Starks? He has no beef with them but is also the only person besides possibly Tyrion that will not want to fight the Starks for control of Westeros.

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    217. lalla: That would presume Arya left Braavos knowing exactly what she was going to do. Isn’t that presuming a bit too much? She couldn’t have known about Riverrun and the feast at the Towers.
      It’s more plausible that she took a face from a random girl on her way, just not one of the household servants.

      lalla: because

      Didn’t think she took it with this specific purposes, just generally being prepared? she still had her list of names and it would be safer to travel with a disguise available, there are some enemies who still could recognise Aryas face.

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    218. QueenofThrones,

      I know the feeling….. I have said Jaime will snap, rather then slowly break away from Cersei for years….

      Feels good to be right, kinda.. I did thought he would do it before he kills her, but I won’t complain if this gives us 1 more year of fantastic acting from Lena!
      The drama in KL, next season, will be amazing!

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    219. ghost of winterfell,

      wow
      so some people knew everything. wtf

      so most of the speculation I saw came from real spoilers. some people were adamant that jon would be king.

      anyway, next season ill stick to Oz’s posts only, and some news articles.

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    220. As many have said awesome music in last night’s episode. Ramin D. must be nominated (and win) this year. The Light of the Seven soundtrack also reminds me of young Cersei’s visit to Maggy the Frog – haunting, mysterious and deeply foreboding.

      Also, I hereby nominate Lady Lyanna Mormont of Bear Island to succeed David Cameron as the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

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    221. Dee Stark:
      ghost of winterfell,

      wow
      so some people knew everything. wtf

      so most of the speculation I saw came from real spoilers. some people were adamant that jon would be king.

      anyway, next season ill stick to Oz’s posts only, and some news articles.

      I missed that those were spoilers about Jon being pronounced king, very gratefull for that. I read predictions about it but I thought those were solely based on the conversation between Tormund and Davos so didn’t expect them

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    222. Dee Stark,

      I read his first spoilers. The Mel reveal in episode 1. After being a bit letdown with it, I decided not to look for those anymore. It did wonders.

      But I am honestly supprised he knew all of these… Hope they guard it better next season, they did improve, we didn’t get the first 4 episodes leaked online at least…..

      Glad I decided not to read them anymore… It would have spoiled the feeling quite a lot.

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    223. Dee Stark,

      Yup. For me, I think sometime after ep5, I saw somebody mention the forums here, so I checked it out. That was when I read all the spoilers. But at least I was not spoiled on the Hodor scene, which probably was the biggest surprise this season 🙂 .

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    224. Moondoor: lalla: because

      Didn’t think she took it with this specific purposes, just generally being prepared? she still had her list of names and it would be safer to travel with a disguise available, there are some enemies who still could recognise Aryas face.

      It’s possible she stole a bunch of faces before leaving, I suppose. Weird she managed to do that behind Jaqen’s back, but weirder thing have happened in Arya’s storyline in Braavos.
      But really, the only ones that would recognize her in Westeros are friends of her (Sansa and Jon, Sandor, the BwB, Gendry, Hot Pie and Brienne).

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    225. I just want to say that I absolutely loved that episode. It can easily be my #1 of the entire series (SORRY BOTB LOL). I need to do a rewatch and I need to rewatch the entire season and then the entire series.
      But wow. I never thought I would say that.

      It was perfection from start to finish, the cinematography, the music, the visuals, the actors, everything.

      And then there was my very satisfying moments as a Stark fan: Sansa & Jon’s special moment together – Smiling at winter
      Arya Stark, red wedding revenge, finally.
      Jon, King in the North? REALLY???? I CRIED FOR LIFE.

      And everything else was perfection:
      Dany – Hand of the Queen, sailing to Westeros with Tyrion, Varys, Three Dragons, 100,000 Dothraki, Unsullied, Martells, Tyrells, Greyjoys. Simply phenomenal and I was NOT expecting that.

      KL – Perfection wow. Tragic end for Marg and Tommen. Broke my heart. Cersei, the mad queen, gave me shivers.

      Sam/Gilly, so cute.
      Dorne scene was sick.

      And finally, this one needs one of its own:
      BABY JON. <3 simply marvellous. Poor Lyanna, so tragic, so sad. What happened? I want to know. I need a prequel.

      200/10

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    226. THE KIT IN THE NORTH!

      And with that Jon is now the most eligible bachelor in Westeros. Jon/Dany wedding coming to a TV near you tbh.

      I’m dying to know Jon’s Targaryen name. I thought it sounded like Aegon or Aemon.

      Bran and Arya need to return to Winterfell and knock some sense into their sister.

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    227. lalla,

      But really, the only ones that would recognize her in Westeros are friends of her (Sansa and Jon, Sandor, the BwB, Gendry, Hot Pie and Brienne).

      What about Littlefinger?
      …Oh, wait, we already went there, didn’t we? Never mind. 😛

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    228. It all makes sense now…..Born under a fallen star……Sir Arthur Daynes sword forged out of a meteorite…..prince that was promised….promise me Ned……Even the name that Lyanna gave Jon starts with an A…….

      And the prophecy itself: Created by Bran Stark through his time travel.

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    229. The discussion is moving too fast to keep up with, but I’ll just leave my comment.

      For my money, this was my favorite episode of the series. Even grading for the Dorne missteps (toast can never be bread again…). The first 15-20 min should pull some emmy’s. R+L=J. I can die now.

      Lyanna Mormont is the best thing ever. Better than Walter White. Better than Optimus Prime. I want to see her in a sass off with the Hound and Lady Olenna. I also want her stink face from episode 9 on a T-shirt (make it happen HBO)

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    230. Littlefinger will play his games with Sansa and Jon, but right when LF thinks he is going to win, it’ll all come crashing down. I’m guessing Sandor will reveal LF’s deception of Eddard to Sansa, since the Hound was in the throne room. Shortly after that, the wall will come down and it’ll be zombie apocalypse time. Jon will probably end up with the North, Vale, and Riverlands backing him, but it’ll be a losing effort. (throw in characters like Bran and Howland showing up with info about his parentage in there)

      Dany will be fighting Euron and Cersei. After she disposes of them, she’ll go north and turn the tide. Afterwards, Tyrion will broker a political marriage between his new friend Dany and his old friend Jon to reunite the 7 Kingdoms. Predictable, I know, but it really does seem to be the direction this is heading.

      Also, I can’t believe I never noticed this before, but Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all lost their mothers due to complications of giving birth. That’s some more 3 heads of the dragon symmetry.

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    231. Dee Stark,

      I’m glad you enjoyed that moment. But for me, I’m just over the whole Arya revenge thing. I’m afraid this list will take over her life. Arya, GO HOME TO WINTERFELL NOW. Jon needs you, Sansa needs you, Ghost needs you. . .go help the family members who are still ALIVE.

      I’m not putting a damper on your or anyone’s enthusiasm over Frey’s comeuppance. Just my own opinion.

      🙂

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    232. King’s Landing: I think the explosion of the Sept of Baelor was drawn out a bit unnecessarily, but whatever, this was a very strong series of events. I also agree with people above who thought Tommen’s death would elicit a bit more of a reaction, but we’re at full Mad Queen now, so I guess she’s just fully boarded the the crazy train.

      Oldtown: Well, they’re not feeling rushed to let us know what the point of this story is. The scene was cute, even if the Citadel not knowing Mormont was dead is utterly ridiculous since Tyrion (and, by association, King’s Landing) knew about it by Season 4; that’s a clear case where somebody thought of a joke and then didn’t care to consider whether it fit into the world established.

      Beyond the Wall: I wasn’t overly impressed with the kid playing Young Ned in episode 3, but he really delivered the goods this time.

      The North: All of the scenes in this work. Carice van Houten was really underused this season considering the emphasis on her in the first couple of episodes, but she was great in her big scene here, as were Harington and Cunningham. The incipient interpersonal conflict between Jon and Sansa is still not being written very well, though, and considering this is set up to be a major part of Season 7, I’m antsy about this development.

      The Riverlands: That played out pretty much as I predicted — it’s a lot easier to build up Arya’s Faceless Man prowess by not showing her before the big moment. Though I profess confusion about her using face-changing; at the end of Season 5, doing that made her sick. What exactly changed? Does Arya know how to change faces at will now? How and when did she learn that? Seeing that would have been a lot more interesting than her getting beaten with sticks over and over.

      Dorne: I liked the scene, and the somewhat belated use of Doran’s “fire and blood” spiel (I liked that they got in the “heart’s desire” phrase, because I always liked that). Some time had clearly passed, but I kind of wish we’d seen Olenna’s more immediate reaction to her family’s murders, because Diana Rigg would have killed that.

      Meereen: Very strong ending for the season. So much of the speculation around Dany leaving somebody behind focused on Missandei and Grey Worm, but in the end it was Daario who got the severance package (and a nice one at that). Great imagery of the fleet and dragons.

      Unless Euron has some real black magic up his sleeve, this particular battle of the queens seems like it should last maybe an episode and a half. The odds are ridiculously stacked in Dany’s favour.

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    233. Flayed Potatoes,

      It would most likely be Aemon as Rhaegar already had a son called Aegon. And it was somewhat foreshadowed in the books too, Jon would always claim himself to be Prince Aemon the Dragonknight in his games with Robb, iirc.

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    234. Excellent episode. Really liked it.

      I didn’t see the after show comments by Sophie and Kit and the writers yet but remember: after last season, they spent months and months telling us that Jon was well and truly dead so I wouldn’t put too much worry into what they’re saying.

      Oh, and one small take away: The little bird that lured Lancel was much better at the stabby stabby than the Waif. Or else Arya was just much tougher than Lancel.

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    235. aabe,

      Gendry may be still alive and has a Baratheon claim. Funny if he never really left Dragonstone. By the way, what’s also interesting is that Edmure Tully is still alive and Arya is at The Twins.

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    236. Few points I dont think have been discussed:

      – In Jon’s convo with Sansa he says “Father always did PROMISE didn’t he?”

      Cool foreshadow to “Promise me, Ned”

      – As Daeny said about marriage – Jon’s gonna need a wife – I hope they marry each other simple cos theyd compliment each others personalities perfectly – No one else is good enough to father Daeny’s kids IMO – and the true Targaryen line needs to continue…but maybe Lyanna Mormont when shes of age.

      – Having said that – when Jon ‘s Targ-ness is known, there will literally be no obe to continue the Stark house. ITS ACTUALLY OVER!!
      Even if Sansa or Arya have kids, tgey wont be Starks!

      Though what happened to Ned’s cousins (Lord Rikard’s brothers children etc) ?,???? Will the show totally ignore any relations?!?!?

      I dont complain usually…but some things this ep were really underwhelning!!

      – Like Daario’s ending was weird – seems they either tried to streamline characters or set him up to be villain for Tyrion in the future – either way they turned it into a modern day dumping of a BF – some of the lines were cringe inducing!

      – Also Rickon, show washed its hands of him quick – didnt even get to see Jon in the cypts!

      – Jon hasnt referenced Robb or Arya even remotely for years!

      – Arya – damn the Frey execution was so messed up. HOW TF did she infiltrate, kill 2 lords, slice em up and bake em without any1 noticing….
      Avenging 1 of GoT’s greatest tragedies, Red Wedding (many references to it in ep too), gets stuffed into an episode in such a way was shambolic.

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    237. Chad Brick,

      Yes, I was suprised to see Varys there. “THAT was quick” was the first thing that sprang to mind. I totally understand your reaction. It doesn’t bother me, but I have to admit that a) it wasn’t necessary. Ppl would assume they would pick him up in Dorne. b) it was jarring for a second.
      I rationalised after the event, but when you see it…

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    238. Sword of the Morning,

      Good point…..Did they bring the hound back just to have him killed by “A Woman” in Arya this time? I doubt they will be buddies after the way they left each other. I have to go back and revisit that list of hers, but I remember the one name she always ended with

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    239. Dee Stark,

      yes, it’s really depressing to realise that some people who claimed to be making ‘predictions’ had actually read the spoilers. I’ll avoid all predictions next year, too, as people obviously can’t be trusted. I guess they want the acclaim of people thinking they were so smart to figure it all out. It’s too bad, because predictions are fun.

      But who the heck is leaking all this accurate information anyway? We’ve had leaks in the past, either small leaks, or big leaks which turned out to be false (remember that “leaked plot” from last year, which was ludicrous and had the Wall brought down by Euron in Episode 10?). But I don’t remember a big leak which was 100% accurate for the whole season, like this apparently was. And this after they “doubled down on secrecy”. I guess, again, it comes down to “people can’t be trusted.”

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    240. Stargaryen:
      Yeah, she has the Lannister army, which I am guessing will get bigger than the current 8,000 that Jamie is controlling.Will regain men from the Crownlands.I am guessing the Tarly’s will come back into play.I would hate for the actor who played Randyll to only get one scene.Who knows maybe Storms End as well. Dany can follow fAegon arc from the book possibly, but with shortened season I don’t see it.

      Earlier this season Jaime referred to the Tyrells as having the second-largest army in Westeros, the implication being the Lannister army was still the largest. The massive depletion of the Lannister forces in the books clearly hasn’t happened in the show, probably because the writers are making the final conflicts more Lannister-centric with the elimination of certain other characters. So yeah, probably considerably more than 8000.

      Not that it should matter. Dany has House Sand(?)/Dorne, House Tyrell, (part of) House Greyjoy, 100,000 Dothraki, 8000 Unsullied, and three dragons. Taking the field as it presently stands, it should be a cakewalk.

      KingSnow!LordCrow:
      – Having said that – when Jon ‘s Targ-ness is known, there will literally be no obe to continue the Stark house. ITS ACTUALLY OVER!!
      Even if Sansa or Arya have kids, tgey wont be Starks!

      Girls can pass on the family name in Westeros, if need be.

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    241. ghost of winterfell:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      It would most likely be Aemon as Rhaegar already had a son called Aegon. And it was somewhat foreshadowed in the books too, Jon would always claim himself to be Prince Aemon the Dragonknight in his games with Robb, iirc.

      From the cadence, it appears to have three syllables, not two: Something-something-ys. Also, there is a second word afterwards that I cannot make out. Not sure if it is a name or something else, but I perceive it to have two syllables and no hard consonants. (Sounds weirdly like “Ahai”, but that’s crazy).

      I admit that I missed this entirely the first time. Tinny iPad speakers made the whole sentence incomprehensible and I had assumed that was intended. Instead, I was only supposed to not hear two words. It’s clearly comprehensible with my headphones on.

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    242. Stargaryen,

      Maybe if he’s able to ride a dragon? If the show establishes that only Targs can ride dragons…. There are currently two dragons without a rider…. And Jon is a Targ.

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    243. OMG!!! I was brought to tears more than once in this episode. AMAZING job by D&D, Djawadi, the cast and crew, so many acolytes deserved. This was by far the best episode of GOT OR of a television show. There was nothing I didn’t love about this episode. Best of all, R&L=J! We’ve all thought it for so long and it was beautiful to see then the cutaway to Jon’s face. There is so much praise and so many thoughts in my head that I would be writing Armageddon if I tried to write it all here. Winter has Come. Favorite shot though was the white raven flying towards Winterfell.

      Okay, I’m going to stop writing now because I’d go on and on. LOVED the episode, everything about it.

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    244. Markus Stark,

      It has the same solution as do most things that get complained about on this show.. time. We don’t know how long she was at the Twins before the Lannister party, learning names and faces, earning trust in the kitchens, and watching guard rotations as the Freys “relax” after their victory. Certainly, she’ll need to skedaddle pretty soon, but the other Frey sons will probably spend more time killing each other to claim the Twins, than chasing down a theoretical Faceless assassin who murdered the guy they all wanted dead anyway.

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    245. swornsword,

      Yes – good point, I forgot about Edmure. I have a feeling they will just close the book on the Riverlands in the TV show now, though. The BWB and Hound will head North. Arya will head North and run into Red Woman on the way. There’s nothing more to do in the Riverlands, is there? We may just hear from someone that “Edmure is now back in Riverrun”.

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    246. aabe,

      Season 7, Episode 1, cold-open …sun beating down on the open, dead-calm, sea. Close-up pov looking down at a small squid… Greyjoys, maybe?… a hand darts into the water from offscreen, grabbing the thing by its tentacles, snatches it up, and voraciously begins to eat. We see a heavily bearded and horribly sunburt gaunt ropey figure, in a rowboat. Suddenly, from the horizon we see a brilliant green flash, the figure pushes aside his wild long dark hair and stares in the direction if the flash, seeing a mushroom cloud of smoke push above the horizon, and the the sound of low rumbling rolls over him. Taking it as an unmistakable sign of land, he takes up the oars in his calloused hands, and rows towards the growing column of smoke…

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    247. Nadia:
      This episode also finally finally confirmed the thing I’ve always thought, which was that there were other people in the TOJ!!!

      Ned’s visions in the book were so hazy and dreamlike that there was never focus on detail, but it always struck me as impossible that Rhaegar sends his Kingsguard to guard Lyanna having their son, but she’s up there alone? no way.

      And we saw that there were two people. The camera even lingered on one of their reactions. Two other people who are (presumably?) alive who know that Lyanna Stark had Rhaegar’s son. Any chance that it becomes relevant?

      Wylla was there. The wet nurse that he returned to Winterfell with when he brought Jon home. Wylla knows. Where is she and is she still alive? That’s the question.

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    248. WightsNatch:
      Chad Brick,

      Yes, I was suprised to see Varys there. “THAT was quick” was the first thing that sprang to mind. I totally understand your reaction. It doesn’t bother me, but I have to admit that a) it wasn’t necessary. Ppl would assume they would pick him up in Dorne. b) it was jarring for a second.
      I rationalised after the event, but when you see it…

      A lot of the “jet-packing” can be rationalized post-hoc, but my point is more that with good editing, this should rarely have to happen in the first place. The vast majority of the time, the show seems to have reasonable consistency with travel times, with about one episode for moving from city to city on one part of a continent, about two episodes for North to South or vice versa (or from Westeros to Bravos). and about three from Westeros to Slaver’s Bay. But once in a while it does something completely incongruous with this, and it can be quite jarring. I shouldn’t have to stop and think things like “Well, if these two scenes which appeared one after the other and are thematically linked actually occurred months apart” or “If I assume a particular scene from last week actually occurred well before all the other scenes” in order to make sense of the time lines. Doing so is distracting and should only be done if necessary (or in rare cases, and element of the plot itself. For example, Stannis at the end of ADWD).

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    249. schase: Also, nervous about poor Arya. She’s in a bad, bad place. I thought the ending of her time in the HoBaW would make her reclaim more of her true Stark self… but here she is skinning people and making them into pies with a smile. Damn.

      Just one comment about your very interesting comment before heading off to my volunteer job (at a charity bookstore – Sam would be so proud of me):

      That’s the flip side of wanting Arya to get her revenge. What used to be thrilling to contemplate is, now that she’s a trained killer, truly terrifying.

      And as you can see from my name, I’ve been there and it ain’t pretty. 😉

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    250. Bob Warren:
      I have a feeling they will just close the book on the Riverlands in the TV show now, though. The BWB and Hound will head North. Arya will head North and run into Red Woman on the way.

      I was wondering about that, but if the show is going to have Littlefinger stirring up dissent at Winterfell, the Hound can’t get to Winterfell too quickly. So I’m wondering if there’s going to be something going on in the Riverlands to delay that for much of the season, which would probably also involve Arya and maybe Brienne.

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    251. Aegon and his sisters conquered all of Westeros with three dragons and a few thousand men. It is difficult to imagine anybody giving Dany a problem considering what she has backing her. It seems like she is going to sweep through the south next season then go north to help Jon and co. in the final season.

      Then again, maybe Lady Lyanna Mormont will just glare at Drogon and send him fleeing. 🙂

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    252. Wow guys episode 9 has over 100.000 votes on IMDb and still a perfect 10/10 score.
      Episode 10 has a 10/10 as well with 20.000+ votes. This is unprecedented. GOT RULES

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    253. Dee Stark:
      ghost of winterfell,

      wow
      so some people knew everything. wtf

      so most of the speculation I saw came from real spoilers. some people were adamant that jon would be king.

      anyway, next season ill stick to Oz’s posts only, and some news articles.

      Yeah I’m feeling the same way. How annoying. i really like the vibe of this place – IU’ve been here since pre-show, and really don’t want to have to leave. But now I feel like I probably should move on. Or just get of the internet. I don’t know…

      I really wish people that read spoilers would either 1) put everything they speculate into spoiler coding or 2) just STFU. If you’re “speculating” or “replying to speculation” based on legitimate spoilers – no matter how plausible your predictions are – that’s NOT SPECULATING even if you frame it as such. It’s spoiling others. And it’s wrong. STOP IT.

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    254. Wow The Winds of Winter toped the children as my favorite Finale, Well done cast and crew of Thrones, well done.
      I wonder if this would have been a better choice for the Writing Emmy, oh well XD
      I guess the picked the episode they like the most :p

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    255. Rhaenys Stark,

      Really hope Game of Thrones keeps that 10 on IMBD, if I remember the first and only show to have two 10 rating on IMBD so far ? 🙂

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    256. Sean C.: I was wondering about that, but if the show is going to have Littlefinger stirring up dissent at Winterfell, the Hound can’t get to Winterfell too quickly. So I’m wondering if there’s going to be something going on in the Riverlands to delay that for much of the season, which would probably also involve Arya and maybe Brienne.

      Yeah, this. The fact that they played so fast and loose with time this episode, and yet didn’t show Brienne back at Winterfell (which seemed really deliberate), or the Brotherhood/Hound anywhere, AND the fact that Arya is still in the Riverlands, AND the fact that Melisandre seems to be headed in that direction suggests some kind of set-up of that. Beric, Thoros, and Mel were all on Arya’s long-list, and obviously she has history with the Hound.

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    257. From Wikipedia:
      ‘Upon airing, “The Winds of Winter” received overwhelming acclaim from critics, with many calling it one of the best episode of the series, with some even calling it the best. One critic calling it “very surprising and satisfying.” The episode has since been called one of the best episodes of television ever made. ‘

      I’m so happy 😀 totally deserved. BRING ON THE EMMYYYYS

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    258. lalla: Didn’t think she took it with this specific purposes, just generally being prepared? she still had her list of names and it would be safer to travel with a disguise available, there are some enemies who still could recognise Aryas face.

      It’s possible she stole a bunch of faces before leaving, I suppose. Weird she managed to do that behind Jaqen’s back,but weirder thing have happened in Arya’s storyline in Braavos.
      But really, the only ones that would recognize her in Westeros are friends of her (Sansa and Jon, Sandor, the BwB, Gendry, Hot Pie and Brienne).

      Christomir:
      lalla,

      What about Littlefinger?
      …Oh, wait, we already went there, didn’t we? Never mind.

      Agreeing on the weird stuff in her plotline!
      Well the remaining lannisters know how she looks and not sure how up to date Araya is with what’s going on in Westeros though she knows what happened to Joffrey through the play.She did run into Jaime at the twins, though a coincidence it would have put her at risk if she used her own face.Not a specific prediction arya would have been able to make but I like to think she learned her lesson from the waif stabbing her.

      I’m not sure what you are referring to with LF but I always thought he did recognise her, just didn’t want to hand her over.

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    259. So I haven’t seen anyone talk about this, but in the episode, we learned through Ellaria that some of the first things Cersei does is declare war on the Tyrells and Martells. Think she’d also make a declaration for The North, once she finds out the Starks have reclaimed it?

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    260. I just realized in all my giddiness I never thanked everyone who keeps this site up and running. I know it’s a tremendous amount of work. Sue and the crew, have LITERALLY been the Watchers on the Wall to us all. Heartfelt thanks!

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    261. King in the North,

      He dishonored his house. Jon is brave, loyal, honorable and Jorah with what he did dissapointed him. That’s why Jeor saw Jon as son he never had. He thought that Jorah would be that but he sold people to slavery.

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    262. Hawk:
      So I haven’t seen anyone talk about this, but in the episode, we learned through Ellaria that some of the first things Cersei does is declare war on the Tyrells and Martells. Think she’d also make a declaration for The North, once she finds out the Starks have reclaimed it?

      She already asked little finger for Sansa her head, under the impression Sansa was partly responsible for Joffreys dead. Don’t think declaration of war on Sansa or the Starks is really needed,they already are.Can’t imagine her actually trying to take them on though.

      Wondering if the Little birds are gonna warn her of what’s coming or their locality is with Varys

      Interestingly enough the people who actually arranged it are still alive, Cercei still tried to make an ally out of QoT and considers LF a friend. Unknowingly she got her vengeance with the QoT but unless OF really send out those ravens allying the Vale with the North Cercei might think LF will still serve her Sansa head

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    263. I’m pretty sure Lyanna named Jon Azor Azhai. The “prophecy” of the Prince that was promised I’m 100% sure was planted by Bran in the past, as a tale foretelling “jon’s” birth. As I’ve mentioned:
      1. The birth under a falling star/come is Sir Arthur Daynes sword which Ned was carrying
      2. Promise me Ned, is what is meant by Prince that was promised (like Hold the door and Hodor)
      3. I’ve rewatched the scene numerous times….the syllables that Lyanna says referring to Jon’s real name match Azor Azhai. His real name clearly stars with an A.

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    264. Josh L,

      It was impossible to guess the 3 names. Rivers and Lothar were never on the list (explicitly). Had we known that Lothar and Rivers were on Arya’s list, we would’ve guessed that easily. Sophie tricked me with that (not going to call it a troll though).

      OT: Marge really got messed up. Locking them in the sept was the most difficult part of this ep for me.

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    265. Wasn’t Battle of the Bastards submitted for the writing emmy? I wonder why they didn’t submit this episode. It was perfect!

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    266. Queenofthrones,

      I find that the more people say “this is speculation” or “this is just my speculation” and it turns out 9/10 times they are correct (and the other time may just to be to avoid total suspision) and then they talk about how they hate when people do that, then that is likely that the person may have done more than good detective work, but hey that’s “just my speculation.” Not referring to you … just other unnamed people 🙂

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    267. Brilliant episode, my favourite after episode 9.
      Also for the first time ever since the series started I have felt a sense of conclusion at the end of the series.
      I feel the first chapter of the story is now over and the second is about to begin (Dany’s invasion/conquer) and the last season will be dedicated to the last chapter (WW’s invasion). That’s in line with GRRM’s project.
      I think that from now on the plot will be less about politics and much more about war and survival. Next season starts next week right? A man can dream

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    268. Moondoor: Walder mentioned specifically she wasn’t one of his servants, so the face wasnt from a twins servant. Combined with Jacqens face change waaaay back without seeing himphysicall taking a face from someone nor having access to hall of faces. I think her stealing the face seems more likely, since it seems possible to carry a face with you somehow

      Walder is saying she isn’t one of his daughters/granddaughters not that she isn’t one of his servants.

      The Serving girl was at the Frey/Lannister feast (even made eyes at Jaime IIRC). While that may of course have still been Arya you’d have thought she would have tried to kill Jaime as well as the Freys if she had a chance.

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    269. I don’t think there are words that can express how surprised I am that they submitted “Battle of the Bastards” for the writing Emmy instead of the finale.
      This episode is so much meatier in terms of writing, so much richer thematically and emotionally, I don’t know what they were thinking.

      I mean there was very little actual writing involved in crafting episode 9. There was minimal dialogue and minimal plotting. There also wasn’t anything surprising. It was mostly action and a very straightforward narrative. What was amazing was the spectacle, the epic scale, the intensity, the visuals, the special effects and the direction. Nothing amazing about the writing.

      It’s a little baffling to me.

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    270. I was hoping by now someone would have figured out what Jon’s real name is.
      Well, appears we have a small cliffhanger for next season.

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    271. What I found most interesting was that both Targarians will now have 3 houses of support. Dany has the iron islands, dorne and the reach. Jon has the North, the Vale* and presumably has the Riverlands now that the Freys are dead.

      *The houses of the Vale appeared to be chanting “King of the North!” with the other northern houses at Winterfell. And why wouldn’t they? It’s become very clear that Robin Arryn is a useless, sickly child and Jon offers The Vale an opportunity to rid themselves of LittleFinger.

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    272. Markus Stark:
      You would think that after all she has lost, losing her last child would absolutely destroy Cersei, despite the prophecy having already told her that would happen. The fact that she is responsible for his death should make her even more distraught. But we don’t get any of that. We don’t even get to see her finding out that Tommen is dead. Huge rip-off in my opinion.

      As Lena Headey said in the HBO videos posted on their website, Cersei is now empty. She is beyond angry, beyond destroyed.

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    273. Chad Brick: From the cadence, it appears to have three syllables, not two: Something-something-ys. Also, there is a second word afterwards that I cannot make out. Not sure if it is a name or something else, but I perceive it to have two syllables and no hard consonants. (Sounds weirdly like “Ahai”, but that’s crazy).

      I admit that I missed this entirely the first time. Tinny iPad speakers made the whole sentence incomprehensible and I had assumed that was intended. Instead, I was only supposed to not hear two words. It’s clearly comprehensible with my headphones on.

      You know, if someone was patient enough to estimate the number of remaining Stark and Bolton forces from the last episode, I’m sure there will be someone who will try to decipher what she whispered to Ned. 🙂

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    274. Jack Bauer 24:
      What was Cersei’s crown?

      That is the question I’m dying to know the answer to! I hope the jewelry maker tells us soon. My guess in the Sept explosion, but Laura (I think) thought the Iron Throne.

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    275. Holy shit. The opening scene was one of the best bits of television or movies I’ve ever seen. The music especially was so fantastic as Cersei went full Michael Corleone on her enemies. Really fantastic. As a book reader who hasn’t been keen on all of their choices, Dan and Dave really knocked this one out of the park.

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    276. Since seemingly everybody is speculating about the end of Game of Thrones.
      Last scene: Jon walks into the throne-room, sits down on the Iron Throne…and then peels off his face, revealing Jaqen.

      Last phrase of the show: “No One wins.” ^^

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    277. Queenofthrones: Yeah I’m feeling the same way.How annoying. i really like the vibe of this place – IU’ve been here since pre-show, and really don’t want to have to leave.But now I feel like I probably should move on.Or just get of the internet.I don’t know…

      I really wish people that read spoilers would either 1) put everything they speculate into spoiler coding or 2) just STFU.If you’re “speculating” or “replying to speculation” based on legitimate spoilers – no matter how plausible your predictions are – that’s NOT SPECULATING even if you frame it as such.It’s spoiling others.And it’s wrong.STOP IT.

      If you’re talking about Jon as King of the North, there are people that have been speculating that Jon would become King for the last sixteen years, ever since Storm of Swords came out. Heck, in the books George has ravens squawking “King Crow” every five minutes any time they come into contact with Jon…

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    278. Bob Warren:
      swornsword,

      Yes – good point, I forgot about Edmure. I have a feeling they will just close the book on the Riverlands in the TV show now, though. The BWB and Hound will head North. Arya will head North and run into Red Woman on the way. There’s nothing more to do in the Riverlands, is there? We may just hear from someone that “Edmure is now back in Riverrun”.

      I thought I heard Walder Frey said Edmure was sent to the “south”, which I assumed was Casterly Rock. Was he back at the Twins? I’d really like the Tullys to get back RL so they can back Jon (through Sansa) in the coming Great War.

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    279. Rhaenys Stark:
      Wow guys episode 9 has over 100.000 votes on IMDb and still a perfect 10/10 score.
      Episode 10 has a 10/10 as well with 20.000+ votes. This isunprecedented. GOT RULES

      Woohoo! There will not be a show like this in a long time. So let’s enjoy while it lasts.

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    280. Sam: I thought I heard Walder Frey said Edmure was sent to the “south”, which I assumed was Casterly Rock. Was he back at the Twins? I’d really like the Tullys to get back RL so they can back Jon (through Sansa) in the coming Great War.

      Walder said that Edmure was back in his cell (presumably at the Twins)

      Arya heard this too, since she was within earshot of Walder serving wine when this happened.

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    281. Conan: Walder is saying she isn’t one of his daughters/granddaughters not that she isn’t one of his servants.

      The Serving girl was at the Frey/Lannister feast (even made eyes at Jaime IIRC). While that may of course have still been Arya you’d have thought she would have tried to kill Jaime as well as the Freys if she had a chance.

      Re watched the scene,missed the”too pretty” part of the comment you aren’t one of mine. Guess it would make more sense if he indeed means family when you take that into account.

      Assumed Arya was making those eyes to get him alone but that it didn’t work.

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    282. Sam: I thought I heard Walder Frey said Edmure was sent to the “south”,

      He said he was back in his cell and that he was glad they didn’t have to kill him as killing in-laws would give the Freys a bad name.

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    283. I say dany is in love you think her and they will get married to strengthen the bond between the houses, but there is also that she wants to destroy the house system

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    284. Tycho Nestoris:
      Stargaryen,

      The show didn’t do “3 betrayals you will know,” correct?

      Maybe not, but I think they’re doing the “three fires” thing, even though they haven’t referred to the prophecy directly. Danny so far has lit 2 (the dragons and the Khals)

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    285. gewa76,

      In the books Daario was kind of a metapher for Dany’s struggle in her decisions between war and peace in slaver’s bay:

      Her marriage with Hizdahr zo Loraq was the reasonable, secure decsion.
      Steady and the right thing to do – but actually very boring and unsatisfying and not what her heart wants –> PEACE.

      Her affair with the sellsword Daario was the wrong, kinda forbidden thing to do.
      Risky, reckless and immoral – but so tempting to her –> WAR.

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    286. Others have mentioned the great Inside the Episode.

      Sansa, she does love her brother, you know, and they’ve had a conflicted past. Over the course of this season, they’ve come to really rely upon each other, but she doesn’t necessarily trust him completely. You know, she didn’t tell him about the meeting with Littlefinger. She didn’t tell him that she summoned the Knights of the Vale. There was definitely like a little hint of conflict there. We see that come out in Episode 9, where she’s, you know, at the war council and no one asks her opinion despite the fact that she knows Ramsay better than anyone. So I think there’s a little bit of anger about that and a little bit of jealousy. And that relationship will be crucial to watch.

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    287. ….uh….. what did I want to say…. Oh, I remember now…

      Hello everyone and welcome to this year’s final review from Lord Parramandas! This is it. We’ve reached the end and we’ve entered the end game. Not long ago, I was sure that apart from Battle of the Bastards, nothing can surpass The Door this season. I was wrong! Outstanding! Incredible! Utterly amazing!… These are just a couple words to describe my opinion about the episode. Really, they exceeded my expectations and Sapochnik really needs to return next season. Now, to the main stuff:

      King’s Landing: The soundtrack… the soundtrack! This is the only time that I got “LOST” feelings when watching GoT. Yes, that soundtrack clearly indicated that KL’s political storyline is coming to the end. I avoided spoilers as much as possible but I expected the wildfire explosion. But the moments before the explosion were so emotional! Loras being marked while his father is watching, Pycelle getting stabbed to death (this time I really felt sorry for him), Lancel finding wildfire storeroom and trying to extinguish the candles, people desperately trying to escape the sept. And then it happened… Lancel, Loras, Margaery, Mace, Kevan and of course the High Sparrow himself who went like Jesus in the air. Well at least their death was quick unlike septa Unella. God, I really don’t want to know what ser Gregor did to her. I’m glad that he removed his helm by the way. And Tommen just… jumped through the window. That scene really reminded me of the Grudge opening scene. And Maggy’s prophecy finally came true and Cersei herself was responsible for the last death.

      Dorne: Here we meet one of the last remaining Tyrells who will probably not live very long due to her age. And Ellaria is back. Olenna quickly puts Sand Snakes into their places (Tyene didn’t have a single line this year) and enters into the alliance with Martells. And Varys appears and says the words that everyone was expecting from Doran. A brief but nice scene. I wonder who is the head of house Tyrell now… I know that Mace has two sisters in the books which are wed to lords Redwyne and Fossoway.

      The Twins: At the end, lord Walder did not die from the old age but from having his throat slit in the middle of his supper. Yes, I suspected that serving girl from the beginning. The camera simply focused on her too much. I can say that I was initially worried about Jaime and Bronn as well when I saw the girl pouring wine. But thankfully they departed for KL. There are some minor things that bother me; did Jaqen just allow Arya to take one of the faces (which was by the way very pretty), how did Arya know exactly which sons to kill and how did she manage to hide/dispose of their remains? Nevertheless, Walder Frey died (peacefully?) while choking from his own blood. A fitting end for a traitor. Now his sons can easily tear themselves apart for his legacy.

      Back to King’s Landing: All hail to queen Cersei of house Lannister, First of her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Lady of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm. Well, I would rahter say: All hail to queen Cersei, the new Rhaenyra Targaryen, queen of remains of King’s Landing who managed to achieve the throne by combining actions of Aerys II. the Mad King and Maegor I. the Cruel. (Cersei I mean, not Rhaenyra). And I see that someone has already replaced Jaime in the KG. Now all we have left is that Daenerys comes and takes it away from her and that Jaime fulfills his duty as “little brother” by… well, I think we all know.

      Meeereen: So, it was Daario and not Grey Worm or Missandei who was left behind. Well, I guess that’s the last we’ve seen from him. It wasn’t nowhere as touching as the goodbye from ser Jorah (which is nowhere to be seen – maybe his story is over as well? Maybe he went to Valyria to live amongst his own?) but still a conclusion. And then followed the scene with Tyrion. I said many times before that I’m not a fan of Daenerys (or maybe the actress) but a couple more of these scenes and I may actually start to like her. I’m sure that dreams of the many came true: Tyrion became Hand of the King, well in this case Hand of the Queen. I can say that I was happy but mainly for Tyrion because he is currently my second favorite character and was my favorite for all previous seasons (currently the title is held by Sansa). And then followed even bigger dreams, that came true. Daenerys left the freaking Meereen and renamed the place as “Bay of the dragons”! The scene really reminded me of Agamemnon’s army LEAVING for Troy (2 minutes 35 seconds onwards)

      The Oldtown: The sight of lord Leyton’s Hightower was beautiful. And the flock of white ravens leaving it… Winter has come. And I can say that Gilly is beautiful as well, even more than at Horn’s Hill. After a funny scene with the maester (“are you comfortable?”) Sam’s dreams finally came true. He entered the Citadel’s library (which somehow reminded me of the one in Name of the Rose, although less creepy). Gilly’s issue will apparently have to wait till next season.

      The North: Melisandre’s and Davos’s conflict finally reaches the climax when he angrily confronts her and Jon about Shireen. I’m glad he didn’t just kill her as some presumed. And I’m glad that Jon didn’t execute her either, considering that she brought Jon back to life and that Davos asked her to do that in the first place. I can say that this was probably the best performance of Liam Cunningham I’ve seen to date. It was the first time we’ve seen his vulnerable side. Well, Jon had to resolve the issue by sending Melisandre away. Now, I wonder if that was the conclusion of her storyline as well… I’m sure living for 400 years is not easy. She may be young on the outside but old and weak in the inside. I’m sure death could have been in some way a gift for her.

      Then follows the scene with Sansa. Well, apparently the issue with LF was resolved pretty quickly. Jon was grateful to her and she was sorry for not telling him. And she actually encouraged him to take the position of Lord of Winterfell in place of her. So much talk about power-hungry Sansa… Well, off to the Godswood where LF finally reveals his intentions – achieve the IT with Sansa on his side. And Sansa replies him with “I’m sure that’s a nice picture” and storms off. I think LF will be trouble in the future.

      Further North/The Red Mountains of Dorne: As expected, Benjen’s role was just a cameo one. He brought Bran and Meera back to the Wall and he proclaimed himself as a dead man. Well, he really doesn’t look particulary alive. I hope we see him in the future, either with or against the Night King. But even more, Bran finally got to see what is in the Tower! First, I have to praise the actor who played the young Ned. When I first saw him in the trailer for Oathbreaker, I said: “Oh, what an annoying person.” Then, the Tower of Joy changed my opinion about him and in this scene, he totally sold me, along with the girl who played Lyanna. It was heartbreaking, his final efforts to save her (“Fetch me water. Where is the maester?”), her lines about not being brave (“I don’t want to die”), her final words to him (that we haven’t heard)… I was really really worried that we won’t see the baby but thankfully, I was wrong. The baby slowly opens his eyes…

      Back to Winterfell: …and the camera focuses on Jon in Winterfell. I think the message was pretty clear. The baby was him. He is the son of Lyanna Stark. The scene that followed is easily one of my favorites this season. All lords who refused to help, apologized to Jon and Sansa. Lord Manderly was more than I expected (it’s pity we haven’t seen more of him), lord Glover was there and so was lord Cerwyn, well lord Royce was a bit of an ass at first. And of course “The North knows no king other than King in the North whose name is Stark – When I first read these lines in ADWD, I never thought that they came from such an awesome person, who would enter the story at some point. Lyanna Mormont was OUTSTANDING in this scene, a true northern lady. THE KING IN THE NORTH! It somehow reminded me of Robb’s scene in season 1 but way more powerful. Everyone cheered, everyone! Well all but one. No, thankfully it wasn’t Sansa but LF. I was soooo worried that she will show anger at the coronation and when I saw her SMILE at Jon, I was sooo relieved. But the look LF gave her did worry me. Is he their enemy now? Or will he try to turn Sansa against Jon? I wish Sansa all the fortune… in the wars to come.

      Well that concludes the review itself. Like I said above, this episode surpassed the Children, Blackwater, Hardhome and even the Door, earning its place among the top 3 with only Battle of the Bastards (rank 1) and Watchers on the Wall (rank 2) ahead of her. The lord’s verdict is clear. Now I can proudly declare that season 6 surpassed season 4 in both rating average ( 8, 10, 9, 10, 10, 8, 8, 9, 10, 10) and rank average (ranks 40, 17, 28, 12, 4, 34, 33, 23, 1, 3) and has officially become my favorite GoT season. But this time the review is not over yet. There is something I really need to say.

      I want to thank everyone who contributed to this site, either in form of articles or the comments. I’ve never NEVER been so hyped for GoT episodes before and without this site, it would simply not be the same. Yes, there were some tense moments, especially with Markus and Chad during the season and there were moments when I thought I overestimated the site in terms of positivity. But at the end, the good outweighed the bad. Especially big THANKS goes to Dee for staying positive through the entire show. Again, THANK YOU ALL FOR UNFORGETTABLE EXPERIENCE and I can guarantee that Lord Parramandas and his reviews will return next year for next season (and off-season as well)!

      With best regards from Lord Parramandas!

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    288. Blackfish´s Ally:
      Since seemingly everybody is speculating about the end of Game of Thrones.
      Last scene: Jon walks into the throne-room, sits down on the Iron Throne…and then peels off his face, revealing Jaqen.

      Last phrase of the show: “No One wins.” ^^

      LOL! I love it. That will be the nastiest plot twist ever.

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    289. Jack Bauer 24,

      I think that’s the point… Cersei and the Lannister army is NOT enough to stop Dany. She’s got a fuck ton of support from other houses, ships, cavalry some seriously good fighters and great council… And 3 fucking dragons. Cersei is fucked. Which is why I predict Jamie will have a repeat of the mad King with Cersei and once again be forced to strike down the king/queen in order to prevent them from destroying everything with wildfire – only this time she will manage to destroy the red keep (que danys house of the undying iron throne Vision).
      This will lead to Cersei dying and the lannisters being destroyed. Jamie will probably survive and join with Dany, the North will face off with Dany and just before the two “good teams” start killing each other the White Walkers will destroy the wall and cue season 8…

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    290. from http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/06/24/game-of-thrones-how-does-this-season-stack-up-for-critics-and-fans/

      Dissatisfaction with “Game of Thrones” is running fairly high on Westeros.org,

      Well I never!

      BTW I think Sue the Fury contributed on behalf of WOTW to the above article.

      Season 6 has been a bit hit and miss but at least now that we have seen the whole season’s arc play out it’s much easier to judge, rather than just pick out some scenes or storylines that seemed off.

      I still think season 3 & 4 were my faves, with seasons 1 & 6 just below that. Seasons 2 & 5 probably just the least satisfying for me. But the margins between favourite and least favourite are very narrow.

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    291. Sam,

      How about he starts peeling back his face and it starts playing the Saw twist reveal music from the movies, and we get flashes of all these cues that Jon has been A Faceless Man the whole time,

      Finally it’s Jaqen on the throne and he turns to the camera and says “Game Over”

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    292. Josh L: The Tullys are pretty much gone as well. Edmure lives but is a prisoner. At least he has a son to carry on the name.

      Remember: Arya just killed Walder so Edmure may be fancy-free come next season.

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    293. Sue the Fury:

      Cersei has achieved Rains of Castamere-style victory over those who tore her down, but nothing she did could keep Maggy the Frog’s prophecy from being fulfilled. Every step she took brought the doom closer.

      Exactly my thougts! Cersei’s arc is precisly a classical greek tragedy. Whatever she does to prevent her destiny, it is exactly the trigger for meeting it. And the audience is mute and incapable to help or warn her.

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    294. Queenofthrones,

      Yeah, I realized some of the things I’ve read here were spot on although I was lucky enough to avoid the major ones. (I hate spoilers!) This is the first year I joined the chats here although I’ve been reading the articles and news for the past seasons. I’ve enjoyed chatting with the people here. It’s really a good community. I’ll see if I’ll do it differently next year (i.e., complete blackout and avoid chats/comments sections altogether).

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    295. Marissa:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      I completely agree.I do think that she felt nothing when she left Daario because she loves Jorah though! <3

      When Dany said that I told myself, she didn’t love him, and that’s why she felt nothing. Drogo is Dany’s love of her life. I don’t think she’ll ever love somebody as much as she loved him.

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    296. Lord Parramandas,

      What a great review!!! I agree with most of everything you said!
      Thank you for the shout out at the end of your review, that is so sweet! 🙂
      Happy to help cheer on my favorite show, our favorite show, and keep it positive! Not much left after this season!

      Ive never read your reviews before this season but I will definitely make sure to check them out from now on!!! 🙂 I look forward to it!

      Hope to see you around in the offseason! I will be here (only non-spoilery news/articles)

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    297. Sam,

      Wait untill she meets a certain Northener:
      – dark hair with a diverse haircut
      – lousy shaven
      – skilled sword fighter
      – wild animal tamer

      Or this fella:
      – red massive beard
      – short sword bad ass
      – bear lover
      – no talk, just action

      should be 2 matches for her… 🙂

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    298. Dany:
      Geralt of Rivia,

      I was pretty sure she said Aegon

      I watched the clip on YT, it sounds like, “His name is _,_,rys.” It’s a 3-syllable name, I think. Rhaenerys? Too close to Daenerys, so maybe not.

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