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Game of Thrones Season 6 Finale – The Winds of Winter Open Chat

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Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 10 “The Winds of Winter”

Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Director: Miguel Sapochnik
Runtime: 68 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Graphic Violence
Video Preview: Full episode 10 preview on YouTube

Synopsis: Season Finale. Cersei faces her trial.

*Note: please use spoiler coding when discussing ASOIAF or filming spoilers.*

Spoiler coding is still required in this Open Chat post prior to the episode’s official airing (9PM EDT tonight for Season 6 Episode 10). We ask that fans use consideration for your fellow viewers, and cover and label your spoilers appropriately. Spoilers from the actual aired episode are not permitted in this post until after the episode officially airs at 9PM EDT.

Enjoy your final in-season open chat of the year!

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Sue the Fury
Susan Miller, Editor in Chief of WatchersOnTheWall.com

1,177 Comments

  4. When Winter comes for war,
    You shall hear no Lions roar.
    When Winter forces you to yield,
    No Stags shall graze upon the field.
    When Winter creeps upon you from the shadows,
    No Roses shall bloom from the meadows.
    When Winter wreaks havoc on the land,
    You can bet there’ll be no Snakes in the sand.
    When Winter brings to life all it finds grim,
    The Krakens will freeze where they swim.
    When Winter sets and the land begins to shiver,
    The Flayed Man will start to rot and wither.
    When Winter fights to the last sliver,
    No more Trouts shall swim in the river.
    When Winter ravages and all despair,
    No Falcons shall fly high in the air.
    When Winter shows you what happens when snow falls,
    Not even the Dragon’s Breath shall warm you in your halls.
    When Winter comes with all its might,
    Only the Wolves shall howl in the night.

  5. I am not ready……but I am ready!?? Does anyone know if Maisie Williams is credited as being in this episode? Appreciate the help!!

  6. Ahhhhh I’m getting so pumped! I have pork ribs slow cooking for tonight too…mmmm. And then the Long Night for another year. Sniffles

  7. I would say that is a MAJOR spoiler in that second comment. But then again, it’s an official major spoiler so… also, completely predicted by virtually everyone & their mother.

  9. Rella:
    I am not ready……but I am ready!?? Does anyone know if Maisie Williams is credited as being in this episode? Appreciate the help!!

    No confirmation of her being in this episode… but I think it’s very likely.

  10. READ the post before commenting, please.

    Spoilers from the actual aired episode are not permitted in this post until after the episode officially airs at 9PM EDT. Posts of that nature will be deleted without warning.

  11. GeekFurious,

    Just because people are speculating doesn’t mean it’s cool to post it so openly.

    This thread is meant to be spoiler free until 9 PM. Not fair to many who have tried very hard to remain spoiler free to screw them a few hours before the episode

  13. Nadia:
    GeekFurious,

    Just because people are speculating doesn’t mean it’s cool to post it so openly.

    This thread is meant to be spoiler free until 9 PM. Not fair to many who have tried very hard to remain spoiler free to screw them a few hours before the episode

    What part of anything I said suggests I thought it was cool?

  17. I’m mighty pleased with myself right now. I’ve been keeping myself busy all day.

    The episode premieres at 3 am my time. Right now I’m enjoying a nice glass of red wine and some chips and should be able to fall asleep around midnight my time. Which means I only have app. 1½ hours left before nighty night time and when the alarm goes off in the middle of the night? Well, it’s GAME OF THRONES TIME!! Yay!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  18. Looking forward to see the Stark sigil on Winterfell. And hopefully to hear the Light of the Seven song from the soundtrack. Love that beautiful song. I don’t think its been in the previous episodes?

  21. Now how am I supposed to focus on all the work that I’m supposed to get done before airtime?

  24. I would like to thank the vigilant folks who helped me enjoy this finale spoiler-free.

  26. Lord of Coffee:
    Wow, the second post already deleted for spoilers!Is that a new record??

    Might just be. It is beyond my understanding that some folks around here think the rules do not apply to them. What a douche.

    Everyone enjoy the show, I am out of here.

  29. When I click on the episode listing on Comcast, it has a synopsis which is a bit more detailed, although still quite vague, and it doesn’t touch on anything we haven’t already seen in the preview. I’ll put it under spoiler code, though:

    Tyrion counsels Daenerys on the upcoming campaign; Jon and Sansa discuss their future; and trials being in King’s Landing.

  31. Can’t believe it’s finale time. And oh, what a finale this could be!!! Enjoy the episode everyone!

  32. Jack Bauer 24:
    Regarding the spoiler, is it something cool or will people freak out?

    Well What is cool for the spider is freaking out material for the fly, it will be up to you when it airs, i can tell you certainly that 50% will enjoy that and 50% wont, but that is the regular experience in this show and in this page particularly.

    P.D: im the spider on this case, for me it was pleasure.

  33. Crooks,

    Thanks! Wasn’t entirely sure. Ramin has outdone himself with that one. It has been in my head for the last couple of days.

  34. So excited for tonight!

    Then it will be time to rewatch all past seasons for the umpteenth time.

    And can I just say, from someone who has enjoyed the musical scores by Ramin Djawadi since season 1, he has outdone himself this year. I don’t think there is a single track that I will fast forward. Absolutely beautiful music!

    See you all on the other side of the finale. Cheers!

  35. Rella:
    Laura,

    Thanks so much for your help!

    I wish I could tell you for certain but if she’s in the episode, they are trying to keep it under their hats! She certainly could be benched for the rest of the season, like Sansa was in season 4 after Mockingbird, but I just find it highly unlikely. We were meant to feel a nice, happy buzz that Arya Stark was finally heading home and then to delay any of the satisfaction of that for a year would be quite cruel!

  36. Wondering why Jaime is at the twins when all he wanted to do is get back to Cersei?

    Are they at the Twins or at Riverrun?

  37. I’m so excited! However, the episode will air at 3 am in my country and I’m still in doubt if I should sleep and watch it tomorrow at a reasonable time (like the rest of this season) or will get some sleep now and set an alarm at 3 am….

  38. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
    When I click on the episode listing on Comcast, it has a synopsis which is a bit more detailed, although still quite vague, and it doesn’t touch on anything we haven’t already seen in the preview.I’ll put it under spoiler code, though:

    That’s positively a novel compared to the On Demand description, “The sixth season concludes.” 😛

  39. The Wolves of Winter:
    Crooks,

    Thanks! Wasn’t entirely sure. Ramin has outdone himself with that one. It has been in my head for the last couple of days.

    Haha! I just said the same thing, that Ramin outdid himself, at the same time! I finished my post, looked up, and there was your comment. I have listened to this score already like a dozen times and already have every track name memorized. The music is just gorgeous. Can’t wait to start making new ringtones for my phone.

  41. While I know last week’s big battle for Winterfell was most anticipated for our community.. THIS is the episode I’ve been waiting for…

    and after hearing the theme “Light of the Seven” from the Season 6 soundtrack.. I have a feeling this episode is going to blow our minds and visually devastate us! :oO

    … and TOJ :oD

  42. Can’t believe this amazing season is almost over 🙁 I don’t care about the haters, it’s my favourite season of Thrones so far. Great from start to finish. After tonight, our 10-month long watch begins…
    Enjoy the episode people!

  44. Spoilers yet again. I stay away from this site for a week for a variety of reasons (away/the moaners) and I come back to this (Stay away from twitter people, especially Sky Atlantic).

    It has been a terrible week for democracy in my country so I am looking forward to a great hour or so of pure entertainment. It will be a long wait until next season especially given the fact that I don’t watch a lot of TV, but I’m sure this site will help cope with the wait; I just hope the level of moaning decreases, and we can have some proper debates about Season 6, and some interesting speculation about Season 7.

  45. We are making Sansa’s Lemon Cakes today to celebrate an awesome season of GOT. sorry to see the 10 episodes fly by so fast. Enjoy the episode tonight everyone. Also a big thank you to Sue and all the admins for the great job that you all do to keep us spoiler free.

  48. I can’t wait to hear the Winds of Winter, The Tower, and Winter has come 🙂
    can’t bloody wait to watch the winds of Winter ^^

  49. This is it. This is the end for this year and it came too soon. Sadly, I have to wait till tomorrow. I tried to avoid spoilers as much as possible and I hope this episode will manage to surprise me. Now if you excuse, Lord Parramandas has to regain his energy for tomorrow’s review (and for the remaining exam as well).

  50. Can’t wait for the opening credits to see the Stark dire wolf sigil back on Winterfell!!!!

  52. Grayven Reyne,

    Yes, me too. Thank you so much Sue and all of you. I’m a social media and a WoW addict so it’s impossible to stay away from here. But I want to NOT know anything at all. So thank you !!

  53. Oh boy!! I´m sooo excited and sad at the same time!!!!! This it for a looong time!!! 🙁 🙂 😉

  55. Nadia:
    Is it too soon to ask when filming starts?

    :/

    Last year, it was right after Comic Con I believe and Comic Con ends on July 24th this year. But I wonder if they will push that back if the season is shortened?

  56. Yes, big thanks to all the mods for taking such good care of us all season (and during the long leadup). Hopefully they will all get to enjoy some nice downtime before filming location rumors start to occupy our obsessive minds once again.

  57. It’s going to be sad watching Thrones drift away for another 9-10 months.

    Season 6 is right up there with 4 for my favorite year overall. Goodness, I loved so much this time around.

  58. Laura: Last year, it was right after Comic Con I believe and Comic Con ends on July 24th this year. But I wonder if they will push that back if the season is shortened?

    I have a feeling Season 7 will premiere later than April next year since it is shortened.

  59. Ravyn,

    HBO NOW is probably gonna crash. The finales seem to get the most views out of the entire season. Sorry, but its a possibility :(((

  60. I’m so ready for the finale!

    I have a very very tinfoilery theory:
    Okay, I have thought about all the nonsense-talk if Sansa might be pregnant, but what if a another female could be pregnant to her own advantage? I’ll put the following for the safety in spoiler code even they are just my own thoughts:

    What if Cersei’s card could be that she is expecting a child? Jaime and she had sex and some time have past bye, so it could be possible. And in the earlier fourties women are usually not already in her menopause. And in all society women who are pregnant are not allowed to get a death-sentence. And that could be a reason, why she might give up on Tommen so easily, because she is protecting another child of her own?

    Okay, maybe my theory is very stupid, but I had to get out of my mind in here.

  61. As I’m going to the UK next month and will be seeing Alfie Allen in The Spoils, as as that play ends August 13th, I sincerely hope this means that his scenes will be recorded from August and onwards!!!

  62. Give me Dany leaving Essos and the Night King in some capacity (don’t even care if it a scene of them just marching forward) and I’ll be a happy camper. Anything short of that will be a massive disappointment for me. Throw in ToJ, wildfire in KL, and Dorne and this could be an instant classic.

  63. “Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Graphic Violence”

    Awwwww yeah! Looks like a season finale to me, folks! (rubs hands gleefully)

  64. Something has been bugging me all week… Jon said he wanted Rickon placed next to Ned in the crypts…When did Ned’s bones get back to Winterfell?

  65. Quinton O’Connor:
    It’s going to be sad watching Thrones drift away for another 9-10 months.

    Season 6 is right up there with 4 for my favorite year overall. Goodness, I loved so much this time around.

    Very sad indeed. I’m dreading when the episode cuts to black and the credits roll tonight. I already have a sick feeling in my stomach.

  66. Daegon:
    Ravyn,

    HBO NOW is probably gonna crash. The finales seem to get the most views out of the entire season. Sorry, but its a possibility :(((

    Probably. The only thing that gives me hope is that last week might’ve put HBO on notice. Also, Mother’s Mercy got massive viewers last year and the app didn’t crash (as far as I can remember), but logic tells me it will.

  67. And I have no idea why 68 minutes is such a big deal. Outlander finale will be 90 minutes. We should be getting more.

  69. CC:
    Something has been bugging me all week… Jon said he wanted Rickon placed next to Ned in the crypts…When did Ned’s bones get back to Winterfell?

    LF gave them to Cat in S2. Very possible that she had them returned to WF before heading to the RW. Doubt she carried them around with her from battle to battle.

  70. I have question?
    What does people think Aeron Damphairs role is in the show?
    -Yara specifically asked Dany for help murdering not only one, but TWO uncles, which makes me think he will not just be forgotten about once the story moves away from the isles.
    – His fate could be similar to Areo Hotahs in the Dorne storyline. Someone who’s there to flesh out that region but gets killed quickly because their role doesn’t reach further than that. If this is true, I think one of two scenarios is possible. Either he is killed early in s7 when Yara and Dany attack Euron, or he is killed by Euron himself because of Aerons disapproving of Eurons illusions of grandeur and blasphemy, calling himself The Drowned God.
    – Personally I think he’ll stay a little longer, since he is probably there for Euron to have someone to interact with. I Euron becomes a new substantial character, he will have to talk to someone. That could be Aeron going forward. Maybe I’m just hoping this, because I have enjoyed Michael Feasts performance so far and how his character represents the Iron Born religion. Especially his looks and costume is incredible, with the long white hair and the primitive priest robes.
    – What do you guys think?

  71. Violencersei,

    Cersei is not all that old. She was a teen when she married Robert Baratheon. About 17 years passed between Robert’s Rebellion and the start of the show. So she’s probably in her thirties.

    And being pregnant would probably do nothing for her. At most, it would confirm her sleeping with Jamie, a crime of which she’s accused.

  72. Laura: Last year, it was right after Comic Con I believe and Comic Con ends on July 24th this year. But I wonder if they will push that back if the season is shortened?

    What I really wonder is if we’re going to get less information from filming, this season. I’d guess there will be more and more CGI moving forward, and I think a lot of that is shot on an indoor set. Stuff shot on indoor sets doesn’t tend to get out there the way things shot in public areas gets out there. Oh well, I’ll take whatever I can get, and I know this site will be on top of it!

    Oh, and “season 6 concludes???” hahahahahaha.

  74. Jack Bauer 24,

    Has the shortened season actually been confirmed by HBO or D&D? I know it has been mentioned as a possibility but I don’t remember seeing it announced as a definite thing. But yet I keep seeing it mentioned as a fact.

  78. Lord of Coffee:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    Has the shortened season actually been confirmed by HBO or D&D?I know it has been mentioned as a possibility but I don’t remember seeing it announced as a definite thing.But yet I keep seeing it mentioned as a fact.

    No it’s not confirmed. All signs point towards it though.

  79. Flayed Potatoes:
    Stark logo over Winterfell in the opening credits HYPE!

    Unless they troll us and decide not to do it for one episode and wait until next season.

  80. Jack Bauer 24,

    I’d assume they’d be writing or almost done writing quite shortly? So they’d know and it would be decided.

    Unless the season is getting pushed a month back. Even though, they’d be deep in the writing process.

  81. ThankYou!,

    I’m glad you reposted that, as I’d meant to respond to it on another thread, but then lost track of it. Unfortunately, I don’t have any great idea, or even a crappy idea, of what will happen with Aeron. I would certainly like to see more of him, and he’s the only Iron Islands character in whom I really had any interest in the books, and have both enjoyed his performance and loved his look in the show. I hope he sticks around, as he’s the representative of the religion of the Iron Islands, and I’d like to have more about that particular religion, as we’ve gotten lots about The Faith of the Seven, lots about R’hllor, and some about the Old Gods (and I’m guessing we’ll get more about them).

  82. No hype, no speculation and definitely NO SPOILERS !! Just looking forward to what HBO offers.

    For me it will be 2am. Yep, its a shitter tonight’s episode will be the last and then the long wait starts until next year. Still, we’ll have snippets of info to look forward to soon when filming starts again.

    Time to ‘log out’ but will probably check in later with my pennies worth on for how at least for me the finale panned out 🙂

  84. Lord of Coffee,

    What came out from the contract negotiation story last week was that the episodes are still being written, so my guess is that it’s still in flux, Though, as Benioff said before S6, by the time everyone sees tonight’s episode, they’ll understand why we’re so close to the end. They may not know exactly the number, but they know the major story beats, and where they’ll meet GRRM’s books, so the 7-6 episode numbers are probably closer to fact than not.

  85. rabelais,

    The Game of Thrones Wiki says she’s 42, link is below.
    But as I wrote my theory could be also very stupid, It was just an thougt of me.

  86. KG,

    You’ve really been making me laugh a lot, lately. There’s no such thing, at least in my book, as too much laughter, and I’ve really needed it, of late. Thank you!!! 🙂

  87. Jack Bauer 24: Unless they troll us and decide not to do it for one episode and wait until next season.

    We might want to watch the opening credits very closely this episode

  88. Truly my fav Season to date. Sad it went by so fast 🙁 only 13 hours left after tonight…

  90. Longest episode in GoT history and still don’t know how it will cram everything in to end the season! We haven’t seen Dorne since the beginning. What’s next for Dany? Arya? ToJ??? The synopsis is all about cersei and they chose to put this in the finale so something big has got to happen! Preview was really unrevealing, I just can’t wait to see how the tie this great season off!

  92. Been rewatching the whole season these past two nights. I’ve just started episode 8. I’m still going to need some distraction while I wait, as episode 9 will finish around 12:45. What am I going to do for a whole hour and 15 minutes? I might rewatch the first ever episode. I hate waiting up till 2am, but I have to see this episode tonight!

  93. Jack Bauer 24,

    Honestly, it’s a quite boring show based on a glorified romance novel, doesn’t involve any CGI or many different locations like GoT, lacks complexity and has probably about 5 characters. So I guess they can afford even a 2 hour episode if they want to. I prefer quality over quantity anytime. And I’m sure the remaining 13-17 episodes of GoT will be longer than usual.

  94. Fancy word for a sellsword: We might want to watch the opening credits very closely this episode

    Indeed. If we’re not done with Arya yet for this season, I wonder if our first glimpse of her back on the shores of Westeros might not involve a different actress from Maisie Williams – she might decide to go deep undercover until her next mission is completed.

  95. Maester Victor:
    Ahhhhh I’m getting so pumped!I have pork ribs slow cooking for tonight too…mmmm.And then the Long Night for another year.Sniffles

    Why not broiled… with wildfire?

  96. Rhaenys Stark:
    Can’t believe this amazing season is almost over I don’t care about the haters, it’s my favourite season of Thrones so far. Great from start to finish. After tonight, our 10-month long watch begins…
    Enjoy the episode people!

    Been watching the 6 season marathon on HBO since 12:30 and it made me realize how great this season really was. I still choke up watching some episodes. Now that’s great story telling. I think that’s what some of us forget when they start nitpicking about every little thing. It’s somebody’s story that they wrote. If they think they can do better then start writing

  97. I’m going to go out on a limb and assert that the latest spoiler about Darth Vader showing up in the last shot is a total fake.

  98. Jack Bauer 24,

    It’s notable because it’s the longest episode they have done to date. Basically HBO allowed them to go over their usual time limit in order to get in all they want to do in this episode. If they needed even more time they probably would have gotten it for the finale. Just because a different show on a different broadcaster has a longer running time for their finale doesn’t mean GoT needs to fill that same amount of time.

  102. Ravyn: LF gave them to Cat in S2. Very possible that she had them returned to WF before heading to the RW. Doubt she carried them around with her from battle to battle.

    I like to think they were sent by Silent Sisters Express.

  103. Lord of Coffee,

    I watched the first episode of “The Night of..” on HBO and that runs 79 minutes. I’m sure if GoT felt they needed that much time, HBO would’ve given it to them, too without any argument.

  105. So stoked about this episode… And I won’t be able to watch it until 24 hours after it airs in the US – so have to keep away from a lot of the internet on Monday! 😀

    It’s been a great season with admittedly a couple of hiccups. I can’t believe it’s almost over and then the long wait begins… Thankfully some of the worst withdrawals might be alleviated by going off on holiday in a few days. I’ll be going north, to the Norwegian Arctic Sea coast and Norwegian/Finnish arctic wilderness! Already packing my woolleen longjohns in solidarity with all our favourite characters and the winter that apparently finally comes for them! 😀

  107. Dragon Tender: Why not broiled… with wildfire?

    Perhaps a brand of GoT inspired sauces?

    Green Wildfire hot sauce

    Bravosi Oyster sauce

    ?

  109. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Thank you for replying. Aeron is one of my favorite characters in the books, but people never seem to want to talk about him on this site, which is quite understandable since he’s a very minor character. I happen to obsess over minor characters however, the ones who help flesh out a certain region or faction.
    On re watches, I love characters like The Spice King who was the very embodyment of Qarth, or Ser Alton Lannister who served as an example of a Lannister who wasn’t arrogant and sly, someone who lived in the shadow of that other family. This broadens the scope of the world and makes it more complex. That is what Aeron does for the Iron Born story, and I’m so glad they included him. As you say, their religion has not been explored as much as other religions, though some great details made it into the show this season, such as the drowning of Euron and especially Aerons speach during said drowning.
    This was actually the season, I think, in which his character fit in the best, because there has been so much focus on different types of worship from The High Sparrows hypocritical Inquisition-style regime or High Priestess Kinvaras charming almost hypnotic demeanor when convincing non believers to Brother Rays happy go lucky peace-preaching. Aeron Damphair signifies a deep and joyless worship that corresponds to the gloomy nature of the Isles themself, and Michael Feast perfectly conveyed that in his short amount of scenes. I just hope he gets fleshed out a little more, give us some more details about his relationship to The Drowned God.

  110. Violencersei:
    rabelais,

    The Game of Thrones Wiki says she’s 42, link is below.
    But as I wrote my theory could be also very stupid, It was just an thougt of me.

    42, which as some of us know, answers the ultimate question: ‘What do you get when you multiply six by nine?’

  111. Jack Bauer 24,

    Sigh. 🙁

    Two Dorne scenes in a whole season is still too much Dorne for me.

    Oh well, maybe a new plot will elevate it, and maybe the SS won’t be so cringeworthy.

  113. Catspaw Assassin:
    I’m going to go out on a limb and assert that the latest spoiler about Darth Vader showing up in the last shot is a total fake.

    Jon Snow…. I AM YOUR FATHER.

  114. Sukeone,

    Rhaenys Stark,

    I loved what Oz wrote in this week’s Looking Forward:

    “At times, Thrones has provided us with so many immensely shocking moments that when we don’t get one, we are prone to do an impression of spoiled brats followed by nitpicking imperfections.

    Let’s not do that. Let’s not be those people. Let’s put it in perspective and enjoy this for what it is… an amazingly entertaining and sometimes controversial imperfect television show.”

  115. Ravyn:
    Lord of Coffee,

    I watched the first episode of “The Night of..” on HBO and that runs 79 minutes. I’m sure if GoT felt they needed that much time, HBO would’ve given it to them, too without any argument.

    I really liked “The Night Of” premiere. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

  116. I’m not sure how they will do it, but, they will introduce us to the “new” Jon tonight.

    Maybe by executing Mel?

    The new Jon who beat the shit out of Ramsey like an animal last week. Make no mistake…that wishy washy Jon who has been boring us to death since his resurrection in episode 2 will no longer be there.

    Hopefully!

  117. Jack Bauer 24,

    Wasn’t she one of the ones in KL? Maybe a KL scene with her, but not a Dorne one. Though I’ve always felt we’d get a certain major character visiting Dorne.

  118. I’m so nervous. I hope everything turns out ok in this episode. I can barely focus lmao.

  119. Nadia:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    Sigh. ?

    Two Dorne scenes in a whole season is still too much Dorne for me.

    Oh well, maybe a new plot will elevate it, and maybe the SS won’t be so cringeworthy.

    I really hope Varys is there. Ellaria should side with Dany since Doran wouldn’t have. He was a weak little man just like she said. I think Dorne makes perfect sense now if that is what happens.

  120. Jack Bauer 24,

    Me too!!! A little slow at the start, but it just kept picking up momentum and suspense. Highly recommended for anyone looking for some quieter post – GoT viewing.

  121. Sam,

    I know right? Love that guy “dancing”

    Too bad I couldn’t get the video to work in the comment.

  122. Ravyn:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    Wasn’t she one of the ones in KL? Maybe a KL scene with her, but not a Dorne one. Though I’ve always felt we’d get a certain major character visiting Dorne.

    I think they went back to Dorne. For her and Obara to be in KL since the premiere and now just show up in the city would be weird. Plus, with the trials going down tonight I don’t think them being there would make sense. KL will be focused on Cersei and Loras .

  123. Flayed Potatoes:
    I’m so nervous. I hope everything turns out ok in this episode. I can barely focus lmao.

    I’m a nervous wreck right now lol. I need a Night King fix one more time tonight. Season 7 is too far away not to get one.

  124. Nadia:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    Sigh. ?

    Two Dorne scenes in a whole season is still too much Dorne for me.

    Oh well, maybe a new plot will elevate it, and maybe the SS won’t be so cringeworthy.

    Maybe they’ll all get shanked in the back and end on a happy note.

  125. Pigeon: Maybe they’ll all get shanked in the back and end on a happy note.

    Hahaha!! That would work for me, but I don’t think we few will be that lucky.

  126. I guess I’m different than everyone here- I’m a spoiler fanatic and truly don’t care that I know everything before I watch the episode, cuz I’m gonna watch and soak up every glorious second of airtime regardless.

    That being said, does anyone know where I can find the Reddit link that hosts an open chat for the got episodes, and can talk about it freely AS IT IS HAPPENING??

  129. ThankYou!,

    I think if we get any more about him, it will be in the context of Euron. As you said, Euron calling himself The Drowned God could certainly lead to some tension between them (that’s some pretty serious blasphemy), and I’d like to see Euron have something of substance to work against.

  131. Fancy word for a sellsword: Perhaps a brand of GoT inspired sauces?

    Green Wildfire hot sauce

    Bravosi Oyster sauce

    ?

    Oh, brilliant idea for some geeky entrepreneur!

    – Every Fooking Chicken in the Room Barbecue Sauce

    – Night’s King Icy Mint Jelly

    – Dornish Firepepper Paste

    – Cersei’s Famous Tart Red Wine Marinade

    – Uncle Brynden’s Fish Blackening Spice Mix

    – Robert’s Rebellious Wild Boar Rib Rub

  133. If the next season is shortened, wouldn’t it be done faster? Like out earlier than usual, for example, in March maybe? Cause I don’t want to wait 10 months again lol.

  134. Kasi,

    Same as me. I won’t post a link because I’ll be crucified, but the free freefolk reddit is all spoilers and chat.

    newbietothegame: Hahaha!! That would work for me, but I don’t think we few will be that lucky.

    Sadly not. ?

  136. Flayed Potatoes:
    I’m so nervous. I hope everything turns out ok in this episode. I can barely focus lmao.

    Ugh, I get so stressed out on the first viewing. It’s not until the second airing, that I can actually relax. I love how hyped up everyone is in this thread. We’re like a bunch of little kids before a birthday party.

  139. Jack Bauer 24:
    Yay or nay…we see The Citadel tonight.

    Yea, I hope! And may we meet Marwyn the Mage and Alleras the Sphinx quite soon – early next season, if not tonight.

  140. Firannion,

    Looks like you might be the geeky entrepreneur in question. Thanks for the laugh.

    Enjoy the episode, everyone! Whatever happens, it’s going to be breathtaking.

  143. Does anyone know if the sass with class bear glare Lyanna Mormont will be in the finale?

  145. Hello everyone, happy finale episode day!
    I’ve been waiting for this day, running around like crazy, climbing the walls. So hyped for tonight!

    My thoughts: #1. I feel something different will happen at Cersi’s trial–as in she admits Tommen is not a true King, and Jamie’s the father. Then, here comes Gendry!–who would be the true King to the Iron Throne, as he is Robert’s last living son.

    #2. We will see many of Bran’s visions. I hope one of them shows all the deceitful things Littlefinger has done, from the very beginning: with the death of Lysa’s husband Robert Arreyn (sp?) how he set so many tragedies in motion.

    #3. The Tower Of Joy, and what happened to Lyanna Stark and the baby she bore….IT will be answered. I feel this will be in one of Bran’s visions, along with information towards LF.

    #4. We will, to many folks disdain, see Dorne and company. Hopefully–not for long.

    #5. Back to the TOJ–the crown Michele was talking about is for Lyanna Stark; her and Rhaegar are married.

    What I hope happens:
    Margarey survives in KL.
    Cersi torches KL but Arya shows up to kill her and …..Tommen dies in the process. We wont find out if Arya or Cersi survives until next season.
    Jamie kills Walder Frey and Company.
    Jon and Sansa make peace and plan for the future.
    WW bring down the wall.

  153. Jeremy Podeswa confirms that he’s coming back for season 7… and season 7 is only 7 episodes

    🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

  156. Kasi,

    I, too, like spoilers and speculation based on rumors! I’ve been scouring the Internet this afternoon as I wait for 8 p.m.

  157. GeekFurious,

    I would guess there are people who would rather not know that. Then again, you’re well aware of that, you just don’t care.

  158. Nadia,

    🙁 As long as they’re good, we should all be satisfied. Jack Bender mentioned the same number of episodes about a month ago, so they might have asked him to return as well.

  159. Nadia,

    Hopefully “No One” was more of a failure due to writing and budget issues rather then directing because “No One” was the only bad (GoT sense of bad) episode this season.

    The reason it was bad IMO was because the huge let down in the logic of the events with Arya and her payoff…

  160. I’m hoping I end up loving this episode. People think I’ve been nothing but negative this season and that I’m one of those Westeros.org show haters, but that is so far from the truth. I haven’t even read the books. I loved all of the first five seasons (including Dorne) and have nothing but respect for D & D. I’ve just been disappointed this season. Have I hated every minute of it? Absolutely not, I loved episodes 3 and 7, liked episodes 5 and 6, and thought the premiere was OK. So that’s nearly half the season. Problem is, they’ve set the bar so high and just haven’t been able to live up to it in my opinion.

    Hopefully some good stuff happens this episode and it sets the stage for an awesome season 7 and 8.

  163. Connor:
    If the next season is shortened, wouldn’t it be done faster? Like out earlier than usual, for example, in March maybe? Cause I don’t want to wait 10 months again lol.

    Doubt the show will come out sooner just because they have fewer episodes. It has come out around April every year and that’s already programmed into the viewer base.

  164. cuddly crow,

    Does anyone know if the sass with class bear glare Lyanna Mormont will be in the finale?

    No but D&D better make her part of Jon Snows small council or whatever. She was such a little badass, everyone I talk to loved her.

  165. Sukeone,

    I was watching the marathon earlier and thinking the same thing about the season. Its overall arc is much better than I remembered. I am recording right now because I had to get out of the house for a while.

  166. I’m going to make a prediction… as I did on Reddit:

    We will see a Lyanna giving birth to a black haired child… and a Lyanna declaring a black haired man King in the North.

  167. LatrineDiggerBrian:
    I’m hoping I end up loving this episode. People think I’ve been nothing but negative this season and that I’m one of those Westeros.org show haters, but that is so far from the truth. I haven’t even read the books. I loved all of the first five seasons (including Dorne) and have nothing but respect for D & D. I’ve just been disappointed this season. Have I hated every minute of it? Absolutely not, I loved episodes 3 and 7, liked episodes 5 and 6, and thought the premiere was OK. So that’s nearly half the season. Problem is, they’ve set the bar so high and just haven’t been able to live up to it in my opinion.

    Hopefully some good stuff happens this episode and it sets the stage for an awesome season 7 and 8.

    I hope you get an amazing episode as well. 😀

  168. GeekFurious: Ugh… in any event…

    I have missed you terribly. I even set something aside for your when next I chanced upon you. It’s a bag. Full of dicks.

    You know what to do.

  169. Connor,

    If the next season is shortened, wouldn’t it be done faster? Like out earlier than usual, for example, in March maybe? Cause I don’t want to wait 10 months again lol.

    I think it will be shorter but have the same, if not more budget for the many battle scenes and Wight Walker and Dragon stuff.

    So even though the episodes will be less in number, all the complications and budget will be greater in size and complexity.

    So D&D can really have a few episode nine type of stuff scattered here and there throughout the season.

    That is what I think is going to happen.

    Shorter season but way more dense with big budget scenes and events that will make it just as expensive and time-consuming as a 10 episode season if not more. This is the endgame stuff after all…

  171. <a hre

    Perhaps there will be payoff later (or even tonight) in how her character progresses from here?

  172. Cumsprite: I have missed you terribly. I even set something aside for your when next I chanced upon you. It’s a bag. Full of dicks.

    You know what to do.

    Yeah. Move on like an adult and never pay any attention to a troll again.

  174. GeekFurious: Yeah. Move on like an adult and never pay any attention to a troll again.

    You love it.

    Mmmmmmmmmm. MMMMMMMM. mmmmm. <<—– you kissing it

  176. GeekFurious,

    Speaking of trolls, you seem to find it awfully difficult to not give things you’ve read from leaks away. I suppose you couldn’t help but demonstrate your *superior knowledge*

  177. Connor:
    If the next season is shortened, wouldn’t it be done faster? Like out earlier than usual, for example, in March maybe? Cause I don’t want to wait 10 months again lol.

    On the contrary, the amount of CGI work and battles for the final two seasons will probably be unprecedented in TV history, necessitating increased prep time. Look for GOT to premiere much later this time (especially if D&D decide to finalize all the remaining 13-15 scripts ahead of time) They might, since the visual effects teams might need extra time…

  179. Arthur,

    Totally agree. Let’s hope D&D are on it. I would love to see a Littlefinger and she-bear scene. That would be a riot. She’d rip him up one side and down the other. Glorious!

  180. Looking forward to something good.

    This season has been as good as I had hoped.

    I was way too hyped for episode one so that disappointed a bit and I’m still shaking my head in disbelief at the Arya stabbing.

    Apart from that It’s been a brilliant season. Better than season two, three and five, but not quite up there with the first and the fourth for me.

    What do you guys think how does this season compare with the other seasons?

  181. Wonder what episode Bran is on….hardhome?

    Hopefully he will be caught up soon and will find out who pushed him from the tower, who betrayed his father, who betrayed Rob, Catelyn etc. all the good stuff

  184. GeekFurious: What part of anything I said suggests I thought it was cool?

    By jumping up and down and practically pissing yourself saying “It’s true! IT’S TRUE!”

  188. Jack Bauer 24:
    Yay or nay…we see The Citadel tonight.

    I vote yea!

    I also hope we see a maester of the Citadel releasing the White Raven we saw in the preview!

  190. I’m expecting a glorious finale for King’s Landing, which has been dominating this season quality wise as far as I’m concerned. Not so sure about the rest, I expect a lot of setup for Season 7.

  191. I’m just wondering now what will be the best worst-kept secret for the next series?
    I’m watching now on Youtube all the hillarious “Jon Snow is dead”-Statements to let time flow…..
    Any thoughts?

  192. …But to be fair English isn’t my native language:
    Looking forward to something good.

    This season has been as good as I had hoped.

    I was way too hyped for episode one so that disappointed a bit and I’m still shaking my head in disbelief at the Arya stabbing.

    Apart from that It’s been a brilliant season. Better than season two, three and five, but not quite up there with the first and the fourth for me.

    What do you guys think how does this season compare with the other seasons?

    IMO

    3 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5

  194. Cersei Lannister of the South
    Sansa Stark of the North
    Daenerys Targaryen of the East
    Yara Greyjoy of the islands
    Ellaria Sand of Dorne

    I have a feeling we are going to be hearing the phrase “War of the Five Queens” a lot.

  198. Laura,

    Thanks. I think you’re just saying it though in hopes that I don’t come here after the show ranting like a lunatic :p.

  201. I think this is the first season finale that I’m this hyped to watch…..in prior years we’ve all known episode 9 to be the zenith….I’m hoping this year is different.

  202. George: On the contrary, the amount of CGI work and battles for the final two seasons will probably be unprecedented in TV history, necessitating increased prep time. Look for GOT to premiere much later this time (especially if D&D decide to finalize all the remaining 13-15 scripts ahead of time) They might, since the visual effects teams might need extra time…

    Yeah, shorter seasons, but harder to make episodes. I remember two years back, when they flirted with the idea of finishing as a feature, GRRM said he thinks it’s a good idea because his ending was planned as the biggest battle in fantasy history (or something like that).

  205. …But to be fair English isn’t my native language,

    For my personal tastes… I’m going to go ahead and say this season (six) is the best. There hasn’t been a ‘down’ episode for me. There have been scenes here and there that I wasn’t thrilled with, usually HS was included, but it wasn’t enough to bring episodes down. As a comparison, when I lent my blu-rays of season 5 to the usual friend I felt the need to tell her it was a little slow but ramped up toward the end.
    I’ve watched every series episode many, many times and I honestly believe this group of S6 as a whole is stronger and more thrilling than any season group. Others have select episodes but not the strength overall. That’s my fresh perspective too from recent viewing, not nostalgia. All just my opinion and perspective of course.

  206. I think a lot of fans would agree that this has been one of the best GoT seasons.. For me, it’s tied with Season 4, and right behind Season 3. My ranking:

    1. Season 3
    2. Season 4/Season 6 (so far)
    3. Season 1
    4. Season 5
    5. Season 2

  207. Chuck,

    I feel like the fourth and fifth seasons rather eschewed this. 4×10 and 5×10 were very climactic.

    I’m actually a bit concerned 6×10 might not touch that bar because David and Dan haven’t done their usual “in past seasons, the finale set the stage; this year, we’re going all out” speech.

  209. Meco,

    I hope they don’t spend too much time in Dorne. There are so many other interesting places to be before the season ends.

  210. looch:
    Wonder what episode Bran is on….hardhome?

    Hopefully he will be caught up soon and will find out who pushed him from the tower, who betrayed his father, who betrayed Rob, Catelyn etc. all the good stuff

    What? He knows Jaime pushed him.

  211. Quinton O’Connor: I’m actually a bit concerned 6×10 might not touch that bar because David and Dan haven’t done their usual “in past seasons, the finale set the stage; this year, we’re going all out” speech.

    Also, they didn’t put it up for a writing Emmy.

  213. cuddly crow:
    Meco,

    I hope they don’t spend too much time in Dorne.There are so many other interesting places to be before the season ends.

    Maybe they are showing Varys there doing some negotiating.

  216. It’s about to start the Final Match of the Copa America between Argentina and Chile!

    I will have to watch the GoT Season Finale after the match from some stream website.

    So, see you later!

    GO ARGENTINA!!
    GO GAME OF THRONES!!

    VAMOS ARGENTINA CARAJO!!
    AGUANTE GAME OF THRONES GUACHO!!

    😀 😀 😀

  217. Looking forward to the opening credits and see the Stark sigil where it rightfully belongs. Who knows what other little tidbits during the credits.

  219. Ravyn,

    That is partially because the Emmy voters tend to only focus on a singular episode for shows because of the sheer volume of television they receive.

    And regardless of how good or otherwise the finale is, 6×09 was a far more flashier showcase for the series.

  222. Damn, already depressed about this being the last episode for a year….sigh, and now my watch begins

  223. The show tried to give GRRM more time, but he failed to deliver. That is why at the end of season 6 we are not very from the end of book 5.

    That is why they don’t need 10 episodes in the final season.

    The next two seasons will be an actual season 7 (10 episodes) plus the part of season 6 they moved to buy GRRM more time (5 episodes).

  224. Miss Stark,

    Not ONE of my friends watches GOT! Can you believe it? That’s why I come on here, nice to be able to chat about it with someone.

    I need to find a viewing party.

  225. I just finished re-watching the season. A couple loose threads I forgot about:

    1. What’s the secret the High Sparrow told Tommen and he told Cersei?

    I still think it’s about Lady Olenna conspiring to kill Joffrey. So maybe that means the Tyrells will all be taken down this episode.

    2. Who was Lady Olenna writing a letter to before she left King’s Landing/what has she been up to at home?

    Maybe she got a fighting force together and we’ll see them invading KL this episode in the midst of the trials/wildfire chaos.

    3. The last time we say the Brotherhood they said they were going North to help fight the war against the dead.

    Maybe they’ll show up in Winterfell or Castle Black this ep? Or will they be at the Twins to kill the Freys?

  226. George: IMO

    3 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5

    Crazy how different people’s tastes are. 6 aside, 5 is my favorite and 3 is my least favorite.. At least the “worst” season in such a great series is still pretty damn awesome ?

  228. An hour to go and I have people exploding with excitement here. Does anyone know how to get the stains out of fabric?

  230. Arthur,

    Hahaha…I’m well, Arthur…sad to think this is the last episode of the season, but so excited to see what happens. How you doin’?

    Arthur:
    Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Wait… With that username…. It’s a guy!?!I have been catfished!!!

    Spritey is a mystical creature from a far-off land…
    He visits us, on occasion, to bestow bags of dicks on those he finds irritating.

  232. Yn aderi, mori aot mazili se henkiri ilvi Biarui manaerili. ( But soon when it is all over, we shall come to you and celebrate together. ). Wiki dothraki.org.

  233. I am currently watching HBO, and they are replaying the season 6 episodes in order leading up to the finale. In between the episodes, HBO has a promo for the channel that is just the scene leading up to TOJ with the knight using a whetstone on his sword with #GameofThrones…HBO is getting me so hyped right now 🙂

  234. Arthur:
    Wait… With that username…. It’s a guy!?!I have been catfished!!!

    I’m imagining you watching The Crying Game. 🙂

    —-

    I’m interested in how they depict the completion of the ToJ scene in tonight’s ep. I’m surprised they have delayed “ToJ part deux” this long.

  236. Hey guys! So not sure if anyone cares but the description for the episode on my tv is

    tyrion counsels daenerys on the upcoming campaign; Jon and Sansa discuss their future; and trials begin in kings landing!!

    sorry I’m a newb to posting, hope I covered correctly!! Anyone else have an episode description?? So excited about tonight, although the ending of the season is always bittersweet!!

  237. rosiegamgee,

    If the stains are from people ‘sploding, I’d guess that means lots of blood.
    Cold water is good for that. 🙂

    It’s funny, while I usually enjoy trying to think of all the things that may happen in an episode, for this one, I’ve tried to not think about it too much. It started before last week’s episode. I’m really enjoying just sort of leaving myself open and taking whatever happens as it comes.

  238. Hodors Bastard: I’m imagining you watching The Crying Game.

    —-

    I’m really interested in how they depict the completion of the ToJ scene in tonight’s ep.I’m surprised they have delayed “part deux” this long. Odd.

    It’s the finale. The biggest stage of the season. Makes sense to do it now for maximum impact heading into the off season.

  239. I wonder if HBO gets as sad as we do after the finale heading into the long off season.

  240. Any single ladies in the CT area looking for a cool spot to watch GoT with attractive male company hit me up! Hah!

  241. Arthur:
    Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I am just happy here, drinking and being stupid online (as you can see).

    Can’t wait for GoT season finale…I predict we get a ToJ cold opening!

    We’re opening in Winterfell I think. We have to after the BotB.

  243. Arthur: I am just happy here, drinking and being stupid online (as you can see).

    Sounds about perfect, to me!

    I like your prediction. Have they ever done more than one cold open in a season?

  244. LatrineDiggerBrian:
    Laura,

    Thanks. I think you’re just saying it though in hopes that I don’t come here after the show ranting like a lunatic :p.

    Haha no, not at all. You have every right to your valid criticisms and you shouldn’t be shouted down for having them. I haven’t agreed with a lot of what you had to say this season, but you’re no less of a fan because you didn’t slobber over every episode. I only wish the best for us all tonight!

  247. Because of tonight’s 70-minute @GameOfThrones season finale, @SiliconHBO and @VeepHBO will be available after 10:15pm and 10:45pm ET.

    HBO NOW says the finale is 70 minutes.

  249. I apologize in advance for the randomness of this inane comment but I’m doing some work while LOTR is playing in the background, and the thought of who would win in a battle between Aragorn and Arthur Dayne just dropped into my head.

    Any takers?

  251. Jack Bauer 24,

    Hell yeah they do!

    GoT is their biggest, BY FAR, free social media advertisement machine.

    Do they win critical acclaim for other stuff… Yes
    Do people watch some of their other 9pm slot Sunday shows… Yes

    But nowhere near the levels GoT pulls off.

    This is why I think B. Cogman should assemble a crew and bust down the HBO CEO door and be like “We are doing Robert’s Rebellion”…

  253. clouddragon:
    I see that the length of the episode has dropped from 69 to 68 – deleted scene?

    Yeah, they decided at the last minute that LSH just wasn’t going to work and they’re cutting her… again. 😉

  256. Jack Bauer 24: Makes sense to do it now for maximum impact heading into the off season.

    So…

    Shall the Song of Ice and Fire be revealed (and conveyed to those that matter) tonight?

  258. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I like your prediction. Have they ever done more than one cold open in a season?

    I think there was only 3 ever… The sword being smelted, the Maggy the Frog one and The Hound… But who knows, I am just really excited to see how D&D visually play out the ToJ scene.

    Miguel is doing it, so even if the writing is a little off I think with his camera work no matter what this scene is going to produce goosebumps.

  259. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
    Arthur,

    Hahaha…I’m well, Arthur…sad to think this is the last episode of the season, but so excited to see what happens.How you doin’?

    Spritey is a mystical creature from a far-off land…
    He visits us, on occasion, to bestow bags of dicks on those he finds irritating.

    Having seen Spritey for a while, good to see that avatar again. Just don’t bestow your bag of dicks on me 😀

  261. I have seen a few folks worrying about GoT starting later than April next year. I don’t see it, unless they won’t care about the Emmys anymore.

  266. I think KL, Winterfell, Mereen, and the Twins will take a massive chunk of time tonight. Around 50 minutes. Throw in a Bran vision or two and that leaves less than 10 minutes for Dorne, Sam, Arya, BriPod, BwB/Hound, Night King and White Walkers, Eddie and the Wall.

  268. Arthur,

    I’m about as far away from CT as one could be, at least and still be in the continental US.

    Miss Stark,

    It’s a great place, and I’m happy you found it!

    As for Aragorn -vs- Dayne, Dayne would win, most definitely…both in terms of skills with a sword and the “dayum, he’s fine as hell” factor…not that Viggo’s any slouch, but still.

  269. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I’m about as far away from CT as one could be, at least and still be in the continental US.

    Well when CA gets swallowed up by the ocean (as many scientists predict will happen), A fellow GoT fan like yourself can rest assure there will always be a spot at the dinner table with meat and mead for her… =)

  272. I’ve spent the last few hours watching the marathon. I have no idea how many times I’ve watched BotB all the way through this week but it might be the most in one week of the series for me and still love it. I hope we don’t get a ton of depressing cliffhangers again in this finale to dampen it.

  273. Chuck,

    In the same boat or friends who wait for a watchathon 🙁 I just started today and the posts are interesting. Fellow chatters seem nice.

  275. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Thanks, someone speculating on white walkers has caused another to go.

    Am trying not to guess too much myself, this has been such a brilliant season I don’t want to feel disappointed.

  276. Arthur,

    You are far too kind, Ser, I’ll keep that in mind. On that note, should part of CA fall into the ocean, and I end up with ocean-front property, you pop over and enjoy some meat and mead on the beach. 🙂

    There was a cold-open for season 1, episode 1, now that I think about it (which I was too lazy to do, until you listed the others). I agree with you about Sapochnik. It seems like that man could film a bowl of oatmeal just sitting on a table, and somehow make it so it produced goosebumps (ok, a bit hyperbolic, but you get the idea).

  278. Less than 30 minutes! Gosh, I’m so pumped for this finale – Jon, Dany, Sansa, Tyrion, Bran, Benjen, Davos, wacko Cersei, maybe Ghost (please?). AND, I hope to see Arya. She hasn’t been in the preview or any of the episode pics. But a girl remains hopeful.

  279. At least we have one more thing after the finale. The final part of The Game Revealed. Should be fascinating going behind the scenes for these final two episodes.

  280. Clob,

    I’ve watched BotB almost every night since last Sunday! Haha! Phenomenal episode. I agree with everyone saying Sapochnik is a genius.

  281. I hope they still had a lot of money to play with for the finale. I want to see a wildfire spectacle and Dany leaving Essos to be grand.

  282. I’m watching the Battle of the Bastards again while I wait for the finale to begin. It’s my fifth viewing, and it gets better every damn time I watch it. A masterpiece!

    In particular, I’ve been marveling at some of the supremely beautiful shots that Miguel Sapochnik and his DP Fabian Wagner pulled off. I thought for sure that Wagner would have submitted the episode for Emmy consideration, as Sapochnik did. But he didn’t. He submitted the finale. That mostly likely means that “The Winds of Winter” is going to be even more visually stunning …

    All in all, Season 6 has been phenomenal. I’ve loved watching every minute of it, and I’ve loved discussing it with you all – the best fan community I could ever ask for. All of you are a big part of the reason I love this show so damn much.

    So thank you everyone, and cheers! Enjoy the finale! 🙂

  283. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    There was a cold-open for season 1, episode 1, now that I think about it (which I was too lazy to do, until you listed the others).

    Oh yeah! Good point.

    Just watched Bastardbowl again… Best medieval battle ever! Heh!

  284. Do you guys want a feel good ending this season like Dany/Mhysa and Arya/The Children or a more shocking ending like Jon/Mother’s Mercy?

  289. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve never known of a television show where I start to get butterflies before episodes.

    My butterflies just started flitting about. I. Can’t. Wait.

    Only 15 more minutes.
    I wish I could share my season finale wacky tabacky with those of you who indulge!

  293. Jared,

    I know what you mean. The re-watch (x5 also! hehehe) made me notice a lot more those beautiful shots as well as the subtle, nuanced acting of the cast.

  294. Sam,

    70 minutes? You mean, we’re getting an extra minute? Wooooo! ?

    I don’t know what the exact average of minutes are per GoT episode but I would guesstimate around 53mins.

    So if you put that in perspective we are getting about 17 extra minutes, which is a really good thing!

  295. cuddly crow,

    Welcome to the Wall!!! 🙂

    newbietothegame,

    Spritey would not enjoy the things I would make him suffer were he to ever present you with a bag o’ dicks.

    Just in case I’m too busy bouncing off the walls to say this in a few minutes…

    Thanks, all of you, for all the fun, this season.
    I hope to see many of you during the off-season.
    Enjoy the episode, and see you on the flip-side.

    ps – Don’t forget to pee before the episode begins!

  297. Caroline,

    That was answered in the subsequent scene. Tommen told Cersei that the High Sparrow planned to have Margaery do the walk of atonement. Cersei brings that information to Lady Olenna, who then decides to work with Jaime and Cersei to get rid of the Faithful. This was never a mystery.

  300. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I feel sick. I get you 100%. Devastated that we have to endure a year long wait for the next season but also relieved that my anxiety will lesson ha!

    GoT will knock it out the park, bookmark me.

  304. Chuck,

    Well, since Aragorn, at the time of the Lord of the Rings, was around 90 years young, there’s a good chance he might be an exceptional swordsman. I don’t remember Tolkien being too specific on the matter.

    Dayne, of course, is supposedly the best of the best, so i’d give the edge to Dayne, but would only give 3:2 odds. I don’t think it’s a given that he’d best Aragorn.

  305. Sam,

    Yey!!! ? It was initially listed at 69 minutes, so even that added minute will be so valued and appreciated.

    Hell yeah! One less minute to wait for next year as well!!!

  306. Dee Stark,

    I was about to make the analogy of how it felt the same as when my team was about to take the court in the Final Four. 🙂

  307. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Hell yes! It’s not game of thrones without wacky stuff and the munchies to boot! Enjoy the show to one and all. It has been a great season and I very much look forward to the off season shoot spoilers/ pictures!

  309. Less than 10 minutes before finale time!!

    Been a blast sharing this season with you fine folk here. May the long night feel not so long, with great discussions this off season. Cheers!

  315. Alright Thorners!

    If you get goosebumps, butterflies, frogs in your throat or tears of excitement/sadness in your eyes…. You know this was a great episode!

    Talk to ya later!

  316. Alright, about to pour myself a cocktail and settle in. Cheers to everyone – hope it’s amazing!

  317. So very hard to believe this is the S6 finale already. Enjoy, everyone! Wine glass filled and ready…bottle within reach…

  320. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Exactly. There’s no one else at the moment for Euron to play against. I guess there’s those couple of guys we saw at the Kingsmoot but I doubt they’ll be anymore than mere henchmen, if they appear again at all. Which is why I think Aeron will stick around. And if he does, might as well expand on his role a little, at least I hope so. Unless the Euron arc is concluded in the finale. I don’t think so, but it’s a possibility.

  324. Here we are then, another finale followed by another long wait.

    I’m expecting lots of deaths and lots of surprises.

    See you all on the other side!

  325. Does anyone know what happened to lord Karstark? He was commanding the cavalry, Is He dead?

  327. HeHeldThatDoor,

    I’ve been meaning to tell you I love your SN!

    It’s so beautiful reading everyone’s excitement and sense of camaraderie!!!

    Here we gooooooooooooooooooooo…

  336. Hey, Maisie gets her own title card!

    No Gwendoline Christie. I guess we’ve seen the last of Brienne this season.

  337. What did one storm cloud say to another storm cloud?

    “My rain has just begun.”

  341. Poor Loras looks like Hell. OMG … and did anybody think that little kid was going to knife Pycelle. Now Loras is bad-mouthing Renly. He’s been completely worn down, he would have never talked against Renly.

  344. Well the FM just acquired a bad ass knight in Loras. He lives to fight at least 1 more day it seems

  345. So Cersei is sparing Grand Maester Pycelle? If so, wicked cool and great news for Julian Glover fans.

    Or he could be dead in a minute.

    Yep, thought so. R.I.P. Maester Pycelle.

  351. Wow! That was something totally new for thrones! That music, that long extended scene. Wow! Strong start! Really sad about Margaery though, was hoping she’d make it.

  352. I’m doing something I’ve never done before and posting right in the middle of an episode. Not really a spoiler but:

    Did Ramen Djawadi score this episode? Because I can’t believe what my ears are hearing and how fucking awful it is. How off it is tonally and ridiculoud. WHAT THE FUCK?

  359. Che,

    And just when you thought that Cersei couldn’t be any more despicable….how many are still rooting for her now?

  373. How has the Citadel not heard about Mormont’s death? The show keeps saying one season = one year, so that happened like three years ago. Other people knew about Jon being LC; surely that news would have reached them.

  377. Now I believe that Jaime will kill her. Up until the moment Tommen jumped I had no fear for Cersei dying by Jaime’s hand. Yes, he will be furious at her.

  381. I feel for the sheer volume of Curtain Calls needed this coming week….it may take until next season.

  389. Pigeon:
    I feel for the sheer volume of Curtain Calls needed this coming week….it may take until next season.

    One way to free up the wage budget….

  393. Dany now has Tyrion, QoT, Dorne, Varys, Unsullied, Greyjoy’s, Second Sons, and 3 fucking dragons on her team. She’s going to be difficult to defeat

  399. Ooo who will dany marry? Let’s hope she’s not like her father or uncles or I think she’ll go after her nephew or step brother!

  407. Apollo:
    Is it just me or is this episode really dull?

    I’m digging it, but I’ve always liked the ones like this that stress intrigue and character development.

  424. I need to rewatch the ToJ scene and the KIT IN THE NORTH scene because HYPE!

    And looks like Cersei was crowned haha.

  429. THE KING IN THE NORTH! THE WHITE WOLF!

    I’LL HAVE PEACE ON THOSE TERMS!

    EVEN THEIR GODS ARE WRONG!

    RENLY IS NOT RIGHT!

  432. TOJ.

    I’m not ashamed to say I teared up. A grown man, and I teared up like a little boy.

    Loved it, great episode.

  436. Fuck ye fuck ye the king in the north, the queen of the seven kingdoms Cersei and the mother of dragons. Fucking best final ever. Still miss Ser jorah from this but the lady of bear island makes up for him. FUCK YE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  440. We still need the R to be CONFIRMED for casuals.

    Bran knows the promise I think. He will reveal it at the right time.

    Bye, bye Littlefinger’s wardenship! Sansa needs to shank him.

    Is the Vale siding with the North? Are they also independent?

  445. Just like… ohmygod so much things happened.

    Way too fast for my liking though.

    I wanted the whole city burned ! :’v

  446. OMG!

    – The King in the North! (I cried, I have to admit)
    – The Dragon Queen is coming, b*tches!
    – Baby Jon!
    – Frey Pie!
    – BOOOOM!
    – have to add: Maisie with her very own single billing

    So, who’s the daddy? That will be the off-season-long question now. Oh dear.

    BEST SEASON FINALE SO FAR FOR ME!!!!

  447. Oh my fuckn gawd!!!!! Oh – best episode of the season, best season of the series!!! Oh I can’t even begin to process all of this but it played better than my wildest dreams!!!! Yes!

  450. Lol, what is this, the Cerseinator? I think Jaime may finally be done with this.

    I’m all for girl power, but then c’mon – Margaery was the best! Whyyyyyyyy??????

    Arya. I love you.

    Gonna go walk around the earth a few times.

  451. Tower of Joy scene made me tear up a bit. Also, wtf did she say to Ned?!?! Why prevent us from hearing that?

  452. This calls for a double post

    WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW flawless from start to finish my sister and I are freaking out

  454. Hand of the Queen – who did not cry, Best final shot, ships dragons and the true Queen go DANY!!!!

  457. Catspaw Assassin:
    Like LF, Jaime can travel at light speed when the plot calls for it.

    Check, Varys borrowed Dr Who’s TARDIS and made it from Dorne to Danny’s ship in two shakes of a Lamb’s tail!!!

  458. Foot in mouth I was way off about the queen in the north but ILL FUCKING TAKING KING IN THE NORTH OMG I CRIED

  459. just sitting here stunned!!!!! Unbelievable episode ~ that director needs to direct every single remaining episode of this series.

  461. So good!!!

    Best part is that when they come back next season, there won’t be any more wasting time, hanging around, the way they had to this season. Oh gosh can’t wait!

  464. Holy shit. Just holy shit.

    Processing this….

    Guess that a legal claim no longer applies for Kingship in Westeros. Be it either King in the North or King on the Iron Throne. Might over right indeed.

    What happens if Bran comes back? His claim is better than Jon’s anyway. If Jon finds out next season, he even isn’t Ned Starks bastard, he comes behind both Bran, Sansa and Arya.

  468. If you had your volume up you could hear Lyanna whisper “Robert will hunt him down” #confirmed

  470. I was hoping Cersei would cut her arm on the iron throne as she sat down and gazed at Jaime….

    Arya and her revenge pies!
    “Promise me, Ned.” I wept.
    The piano track at the beginning was stunning.

    Wow. Great finale but I still am concerned about the vast complications with the Dothraki migration. Hmmmm…

  471. Jon, watch your back! Littlefinger is enemy #1 right now.

    And I do believe Tyrion is in love.

  477. Why would they bury the biggest reveal of the entire series 15 minutes before the end of the episode?! It should have been ToJ baby – cut to Jon – end episode.

  478. How does Varys get from Dorne to meet with Olenna and Ellaria, and find his way on Danaerys’ flagship all the way a few hours out of Meereen? I know.. the showrunners have to pull a “Lucas” and say they sailed by Sunspear and picked him up. Also, they never explicitly told us who Jon’s real father is, but they make it clear who his mother is, and who’s Jon’s father is truly not. And they still cover her whisper so we cannot hear it all. Great Job D&D.

  479. THAT
    WAS
    THE
    BEST
    EPISODE
    EVAH!

    KING OF THE NORTH!
    ARYA!
    R+L=J!
    QUEEN CERSEI!
    TYRION = HAND OF THE QUEEN, MOTHER OF DRAGONS!
    KABOOM IN THE SEPT!
    SO, SO, MUCH!

    OK I’ll stop yelling at the screen now 🙂

    Now the long wait to next season…..
    *twiddles thumbs*

  480. Can they please give Lady Mormont her own spin off show. She’s been the best thing about Season 6.

  482. That was the most bloody fantastic corker of a finale I could ever have asked for! Fantastic!

  488. Catspaw Assassin:
    Like LF, Jaime can travel at light speed when the plot calls for it.

    People still just can’t get over the fact that everything isn’t happening in one hour. A day, days, a week or more can happen without being seen. Daenerys’ readiness to leave Meereen, the gathering of the Houses at Winterfell, etc., they all take time and not chronological.

  489. Lot of really good stuff. Arguably too much, and some of this could’ve happened earlier in the season. Doesn’t change how great this one was though. Most of it was kinda expected, but seeing it was amazing. The two things I didn’t really expect was the sheer scope of Cersei’s revenge and that Cersei would proclaim herself Queen in her own right. So good.

  490. I thought it was a terrific episode. 5/5

    Two minor gripes: Jamie making it from the Twins to King’s Landing in a single bound; and Varys’ teleportation from Dorne to Meereen. Ah, well.

    Two thoughts for next season:

    1. There can be little doubt that Danny’s landing party is going to Dorne.

    2. Can Cersei avoid being murdered by Jaime within the first two episodes of next season?

  491. It seems we were all wrong about the crown. Jaime looks like he is about to go full kingslayer mode.

    Never thought I’d like a sand-snakes scene, but Olenna Tyrell managed liven that up.

    I hate that Sansa is still undecided. She looks happy at Jon, but then sad when facing LF.

    Sam got a library!! And what a library it was! I was so happy for him.

    For the first time I felt pity for Tommen, and was actually sad when he jumped.

    Glad that the Wall did not come down. Also glad to see Bronn and Jaime surviving the Twins. Would love to see their reaction when the news of Walder’s death reaches them.

    Hoping to see some Euron/Cersei conflict next season, before we get Euron/Dany.

    Loved Tyrion getting new job and well-deserved appreciation. Fucking Finally!

  492. That was incredible. Just incredible. Best season finale yet.

    Still shocked at the body count. (Margaery, Loras, the High Sparrow, Mace & Kevan; Pycelle; Walder Frey; Septa Unella; Lancel Lannister; and Tommen. Wow.)

    Still amazed at the ending… Dany rides for Westeros with Dorne, the Tyrells and the Greyjoys behind her.

    And did you catch that reference to someone Dany will need to marry? I think a new King in the North is suddenly available…

  493. I blinked a few times and probably missed some things. For one, did Loras meet his many-faced maker or did he get away?

  496. Amazing I cried. Amazing did I say amazing

    Brief comments:

    The look between Sansa and Baelish – all may not be well in the North

    The look between Jamie and Queen Cersei – now we know who the crown was for

    The slap-down Olenna gave the Sand Snakes – been waiting two seasons for someone to do that.

    Keeping the mystery of Jon’s father for another year.

    Magic at the wall – will Bran’s passing through allow the WW through – those who thought an empty door were do were wrong.

    Is Mel gone forever – she’s on the road south – Thoros and Beric and Sandor are on the road north – so are Brienne and Pod

  497. Dee Stark,

    I cried, too. It’s been a long time since a Stark was named KITN.

    Great finale in every way. Cersei on the throne in the end is probably the most terrifying moment in this entire show. Poor Tommen! Sad, too, that beautiful Daario gets left behind. And cheers again for Lyanna Mormont, my hero. And we got Frey pies!

    Now the long wait until next season…

  498. OMG I’m still crying… WHAT A SPECTACULAR SHOW WE WATCH PEOPLE!
    THE KING IN THE NORTH

  499. Super-pleased that LF did not reveal or hint to have any knowledge of R+L=J. In my mind that is a sacred knowledge that LF does not deserve.

  500. Clob: People still just can’t get over the fact that everything isn’t happening in one hour

    LOL! It seems particular to this fandom.We learned all about bridging time in first year film school.

  502. Little she-bear straight shooting all the lords in the room. The only thing they could do is bend the knee.

  504. And with this ending I really think KL was the best thing of the season with the North as a close second.

    Even Dany and Dorne were ok today, that’s new. Only strange that Olenna doesn’t really seem to sad after her family being massacred. She was even making her snarks.

  506. aabe:
    I hate that Sansa is still undecided. She looks happy at Jon, but then sad when facing LF.

    I think you misinterpreted that scene. That wasn’t Sansa looking sad. That was Sansa looking suspicious.

    King in the North Jon Snow does not work for Littlefinger’s master plan, you see…

  508. Anyone remember when Varys was on the ship in the very last scene??? Come onnnnnnnnn!!!! Huge continuity mistake! Ruined that whole scene for me lol

  509. Easily my favorite season finale. Actually topped S4, which I didn’t think was possible. So much goodness, from the opening KL sequence and that insistent nerve wracking piano piece. Sam and Gilly visiting the Citadel, which I didn’t think we’d see. Arya and Frey pie!

    And, lord, that cut from Baby Jon to Adult Jon. Think I probably about lost it right there.

    Still processing, but that’s what I come up with now.

  510. Amazing episode from start to finish! Best finale ever imo. Frey Pies y’all!! Woot. I knew she was Arya from the first shot of her. I completely lost my shit when she ripped off the face. So many satisfying moments, although I will miss Margery. I guess Danny will be the younger queen from the prophecy. Everything I wanted to see, except the wall coming down. But I will take everything we got. So amazing. Now to watch it again!

  515. Varys wtf?

    I thought LF had a teleportation device…

    There goes the Varys = Daenarys theory….

  517. That was so intense and amazing. I loved every second of it. Even the smaller moments, like Sam marveling at The Citadel were so…triumphant.

    Once again, Lyanna Mormont is THE boss ass little bitch. Loved her so much.

  518. Mark:
    If you had your volume up you could hear Lyanna whisper “Robert will hunt him down” #confirmed

    I found it really interesting they whispered it, but obviously intended the audience to hear part of the whisper, the part you quoted, but not the rest of it. Who knows, maybe we’ll get to see, as in have more scenes from the past regarding Jon’s parents, next season!

  520. What a fantastic episode…wow…I need to re-watch, there was just so much to digest. Is it just me or was Cersei, combined with that outfit standing in front of the throne, giving off a Maleficent vibe? Lol. My onlyyyyy complaints…kinda disappointed that there were no WW scenes. I know next season will probably be chock-full of them, but I figured we would get something at least, considering we haven’t seen them since episode 5. But, I like than Benjen dropped the bit about the Wall having magic built in…should be a nice set up for next season. Other than that… and this is purely my own fault because of how I’ve been imagining her all these years…I didn’t care for the woman they cast as Lyanna. But I am so excited that R+L=J is finally, officially, confirmed!

    Oh and after that bit with Cersei, especially after being crowned? I am now totally Team Daenerys, and can’t wait for her to finally reach Westeros. As much as I wanna see Jamie take her out, I wouldn’t mind a little Dracarys pointed in Cersei’s direction.

  522. So much greatness. And a few nitpicks ;). Need to absorb. Deep breath.

    Oh, and Lyanna Mormont is perfect.

  524. Nothing goes better than Frey humble pie than a slice of life! Kudos to Arya & Walder reunion. Too bad we did not get an update on BwoB and Sandor and Brienne. And Jaime is not the King? Too bad Cersei seized it for herself. She really should marry him since who can oppose her will? Of course Jaime rode a pegasus from the Riverlands to still see the Sept smoldering (figure it would have burnt out in under a day). What happened to Unella with Gregor? Why did Gregor abandon Tommen and allow him to jump out the window? Shouldn’t Cersei have gotten to her son immediately in the Red Keep while Gregor stood watch and let him in on the secret before he decided to fly like Romeo? Was Cersei gambling that she knew Tommen would commit suicide if Margaery died? And the High Sparrow? Did Tommen believe his mother was dead too? Major plot hole if Cersei wanted to keep Tommen safe and not allow the prophecy to come true by forbidding him to go to the Sept in the first place! Rushed rushed rushed storylines.
    So Dany is Queen. Yara is Queen of the Iron Islands. Ellaria is Queen-princess of Dorne. Olenna is all that is left of the bloodline of Tyrell and cannot conceive any more children so when she dies, who takes up the legacy? No grandson (who wasn’t about to make any babies anyway) or grand-daughter, along with the end of her son-in-law. Too bad Sansa is not Queen of the North. That would a been a War of 4 Queens. Oh well.

  526. Littlefinger promised Cersei the head of Sansa. He’s going to betray her. Worried about Sansa now.

    But we’re really getting into the final innings now. Dragons in Westeros! King in the North! Cersei on the Iron Throne! King in the North! White Walkers approaching the Wall! King in the North! Sam in Oldtown to learn something important! King in the North! Arya the most badass assassin of all time on the loose in Westeros! King in the North! The King in the North! The King in the North!

  527. GOD DAMNIT, THAT VARYS THING IS GOING TO RUIN EVERYTHING, ITS ALL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT

  528. Best episode. King in the North, Daeny sailing to Westeros., Queen Cersei, Arya and Walder Frey and R+L=J confirmed. Well at least Lyanna is his mom but it should be confirmed that his dad is Rhaegar.

  531. wow! So much to take in at the end. How in the hell does Cersei just crown herself? Not an ounce of grief over Tommen? Speaking of which, his death was too anticlimatic. He needed his mother to come and tell him everything would be ok and all the other typical “We be the lions” stuff. Then have him look longingly at the sept and his bed….

    And Lady Mormont remains the one with the biggest balls in the North! She makes the Lords look like punks. Loved how Sansa’s face fell when she said “I only know one king and it’s a Stark. Who cares if he’s a bastard. He has Ned Stark’s blood in his veins”. And after that exchange between her and LF, is it now the Dance of the Wolves?

    Losing her entire family hasn’t slowed QoT down one bit and thoroughly enjoyed her shutting the Sand Snakes up. So what happens to House Tyrell now? Is anyone left at the castle? I’ll miss Marg. I really thought she’d make it.

    And yeah, Dany has quite the team. As for Varys, while I’ve never complained about the jetpack travel times, come on, D&D. Varys can’t be in Dorne and in Mereen. Please pay more attention.

    Can’t wait for next Spring!!!!!

  532. Oh yeah

    Lyanna Mormont is awesome

    Love the relationship between Jon and the Mormonts, all the way through

  533. Reema:
    Ok, where the heck is Shae?? Just visiting set?

    It turns out that they did indeed troll the fans with that one… or it was cut. Wow, did we have a lot of discussion about her appearance during filming. How many shows do this!? 🙂

  534. I think Sansa looked worried at the end. She knows how dangerous Littlefinger can be to get what he wants.

  535. Ok I’m a little buzzed, and it’s only been 20 minutes or so since the episode finished…but I have to say I think this was one of the best episodes of GOT I’ve seen. Aside from the TOJ scene, which as a book reader I found to be extremely moving and gratifying….I think the episode was excellent. A lot of things happened….the pace was good (maybe a tad slow in the beginning but clearly picked up quickly). The cinematography, the score….all top notch.

    Maybe I’m just letting the cab sauv speak for me, but this was damn good.

  538. Baelish Airlines strikes yet again. Varys simultaneously in two places!!!!!! LOL.

    Otherwise, well paced episode. Though most of the deaths did not have that much an emotional impact for me. Perhaps I just did not care for anybody.

    Jon’s claimanship is getting so confusing now. So he can legitimately claim both the North and Iron Throne?

    And I am thinking they will kill either Sansa or Arya next season?

  539. Great last 2 episodes
    It always used to be somewhat
    dissatisfying when they left out major characters in the final episode…
    Winds of Winter pretty much touches on everyone who is a major player in the show … Kudos to the director and producers

  541. Pigeon:
    Lol, what is this, the Cerseinator? I think Jaime may finally be done with this.

    Yep, that’s the impression I got, Jaime’s look at the end is kinda “I’m done with you, you killed our son.”

    Ceisei better watch her back!

  543. It’s time for the cheese boy to become the true heir of Tyrells… Does LF’s presence at WF mean that he will try to contact the Walkers? I never paid attention to this theory but now…

  545. Can anyone explain how Arya got a face? I thought the faces were in the house of black and white. Isn’t that where they prep the bodies, etc?

  546. Daario Speedwagon:
    Anyone remember when Varys was on the ship in the very last scene??? Come onnnnnnnnn!!!! Huge continuity mistake! Ruined that whole scene for me lol

    Could be weeks later, Brooke Shields.

  547. One other thing: Tommen’s death. So beautifully executed with a single take. No music. No cuts. Just incredible.

  548. Darkrobin: I cried, too. It’s been a long time since a Stark was named KITN.

    I cried a bit when Dany made Tyrion the Hand of the Queen. So awesome.

  549. Nicole,

    exactly…I mean a lot of people out there will still think she will betray Jon and maybe D&D want people to think that. But I tend to agree with you….she is on his side…and of course this is GOT so a lot of shite can happen and I don’t think the starks will necessarily have a happy ending. But Jon and Sansa are allies at this point.

  550. Mad Princess: Why would they bury the biggest reveal of the entire series 15 minutes before the end of the episode?

    Because it probably isn’t the “biggest reveal”… 🙂

  551. Flayed Potatoes,

    At this point the Vale could either declare independence or align with the North or with Dany… Kings Landing is basically just the Lannisters at this point. The Reach has aligned with Dany and the Riverlands were useless even before the recent Frey power vacuum.

    My guess is next year LF will try to put the moves on Dany, but one assumes she will have been amply warned about him.

  553. Jpwf,

    When I arrived at college my freshman year, I went on a tour of campus. We were taken up to the stacks of the old library, and oh….. they didn’t have chains on them, but the same type of leather bound old books, row upon row upon row – I brushed my hands along the rows like Sam did. I know hes in heaven, coz I was sure I was!

  555. That was by far the best episode this season. It felt rushed script wise, but there was so much packed in to the 68 minuets that it couldn’t help it. Even with that small critique, this episode, IMO, set up the end game perfectly. Really, really over the top good. I’m going to have to watch it 12 more times.

    – R+L=J confirmed!!!
    – Cersie is the new mad king.
    – Kit in the north! Little finger must be plotting his demise. Can’t wait to see how that plays out.
    – Didn’t like arya. It felt like she time traveled. Nice to see Walder die though.
    – Dani is on her way. While I felt the writing was still weak for her scenes, Tyrion getting pinned made me tear up. I get the feeling that someone acknowledging him, let alone in that capacity, made him tear up too.
    – There’s magic in the wall!!!!!! I’m holding out hope that there’d an ice dragon in there as well.

    So much to digest. Now the long wait begins.

  556. Definitely the best season finale ever … love every scene. Littlefinger dreaming to become King next to Sansa … Jon stole that dream from him. He isn’t happy.
    And Arya killing Walder Frey was a dream come true … Never expected to watch the Frey pie. But she looked crazy …. I almost cry when Jon was proclaimed King in the North. He was very cute watching his sister …
    Cersei is doomed … I don’t know how does she plan to survive, everyone is against her… She will burn the Red Keep, unless Jaime kills her first …
    Danny leaving Daario behind and talking about marriage … I only see Jon as an option now.
    It really looks like the show is very close to an end …

  558. I practically fell off my couch when they cut from baby Jon face to Kit Jon face. I’m still pinging off the walls. I LOVED THIS EPISODE.

  565. Sansa better kill Littlefinger and not lie to Jon! I can’t handle this again!

    I hope Arya and Bran get back to Winterfell.

  566. Well, wow! So much to process can’t even really gather my thoughts now except for a few quick hits:

    * So Cersei is just completely bat***t crazy now and Jamie knows it. This will not end well.

    * The first 15 minutes was absolutely riveting.

    * I think they rushed the tower of joy reveal and a lot of people are going to whine about it but, really, it’s not like it was much of a secret anymore.

    * I know the show winks at the travel times but I think it was a bit much to show Varys on the ship with Dany and Tyrion. How the hell did he get there? Did Drogon pick him up? And it deprived us of seeing Dany meet him for the first time.

    * I think that final look from Sansa as Jon is proclaimed KITN is going to set the Sansa haters off yet again. Ugh.

    * Lyanna Mormont is a boss!

    * Frey pies!

    * Lady Ollena telling the sand snakes to shut up was so satisfying!

    Great episode! Can’t wait for next season now!

  567. I’ll withhold my thoughts from the episode, but I will mention one thing that shocks me about this board. In watching this episode after spending a lot of time on this board during the week (more than usual), it’s painfully obvious to me that nearly every single person that I communicated with here had read the leaked spoilers for this episode. Thank God I’m too dumb to notice, but on numerous different occasions, people either indirectly alluded to the spoilers (for instance by saying there were hints Ramen’s last musical piece was to Dany’s ships headed to Westeros) or by people vehemently arguing over points that were not obvious but that they knew to be true from the spoilers (i.e. that Euron wouldn’t be showing up and his speech on 1000 ships was pointless).

    I just don’t understand it, why do you guys want to know what happens ahead of time? And then why do you read ahead, pretend like you didn’t, and then argue like you’re making some great prediction? It’s a perfect example of why you wouldn’t understand why I’ve been unhappy with this season. I like to not know what’s going to happen and I like to be surprised. This season was extremely predictable, had very little tension, and was anti-climactic. It was a love letter to the newly acquired mass audience.

    Towards the end of this season, I could care less about spoilers, but when I first started watching the show, I was able to withhold from reading any spoilers from the books and it made the big moments 10x better. How could you really love watching this show when you know most of what’s going to happen ahead of time?

    There are a lot of great posters on this board, but I will say there are also a lot of either very young children who aren’t emotionally ready for this material, or people who jumped on the bandwagon just because all their friends did and they react to GoT like it’s a Disney production. Unfortunately, it appears the latter two groups of people have directly influenced the writing of the show and hence why we end up with a season that is more akin to a Hollywood production than something based on material by George R. R. Martin.

  569. Outstanding episode, especially the scenes in King’s Landing, as somebody who has in the past compared GoT unfavorably to Wolf Hall and the Hollow Crown I can say without reservations that those scenes stand at ease in that company.

    As for the music, I really enjoyed it, it put me in mind of sections of David Lang’s musical composition for the Ballet “Amelia” By Edouard Lock’s LaLaLaHumanSteps

  575. dothrakian raven,

    I think there is a decent chance that at the very end of the series after the WWs have been defeated and there is a new/final king/queen of the seven kingdoms… LF will find himself back as the Master of Coin… the position he had at the very beginning.

  576. Dance of the Wolves sounds like it’s in the making

    Reckon Sansa will go South with Vale Army and crown herself Queen in the RL

    They mentioned there were two other Houses that rebelled in the RL, perhaps she’ll go to them

    Showrunners may be hedging their bets, though for book Sansa who always looked down on Jon I can imagine such a scene would be quite grating

  577. There was no reason to kill of Maester Pycelle by assassination with little children. How do you turn children spies into blood thirsty murderers? A bit of a stretch. And why would Lancel go off on his own, without any backup? Why would he even LEAVE the SEPT when he is the PRIMARY WITNESS for the Prosecution???? The showrunners could have left Pycelle make it to the Sept and have Lancel chomping at the bit wanting to divulge evidence of Cersei’s sins to the trial of 7. Unneeded drama and added OMG something is wrong spider sense of Margaery for suspense. Cheese.

  579. Wow what an episode. I don’t know what people are saying, Ramin’s score was amazing during King’s Landing scenes!

    Only things that bugged me were Vary and Arya’s jetpacks…unless the timelines aren’t all synced up.

  581. Well, that escalated quickly…
    When it rains it pours…

    1. Impressive fast travelling!
    2. The Dothraki: born sailors.
    3. Jon & Daenerys not twins after all.
    4. Someone URGENTLY use sound enhancing apps to turn up the volume on Lyanna Stark’s whispers!
    5. Wall not breached by the Army of the Dead… 🙁
    I was so sure this would be the season’s last scene, after Bran passing through, of course…
    6. “Westward ho the Dragons” was the second candidate for a final scene.

    Epic. Just epic

  583. The only thing missing was Ghost, he should have been there when Jon was declared King.We got the dragons, we should have got Ghost who we haveb’t seen since Jon’s ressurection. Jon was literally called The White Wolf and there was no white direwolf in the room lol

  584. That was an intense 70 minutes…holy shit!

    First, loved all the KL stuff. Dammit! I was so hoping Marg would live. Natalie Dormer is amazing and Marg was such a great foil for Cersei.
    Lancel realizing what is happening…shitballs. The whole sequence was so crazy good.
    Oh Tommen. That was sad as hell and Cersei seemed so disconnected. She has officially met the deep-end.

    Dorne actually had me happy seeing Olenna there, all in black. She is vengeance hungry and Varys! Nice. Love the QoT putting the Sand Snakes in their place. HA. Beautiful.

    Actually really relieved that Arya got the Walder Frey kill. Really thought it would be Jaime’s doing but LOVED the Frey Pie and loved her slicing his throat, like they did to Catelyn. Perhaps my favorite moment, since it was 3 seasons in the making.

    The Jon/Sansa stuff was a bit of a relief. Didn’t explain much but at least they addressed it. She is on his side but that little look between her and Littlefinger at the end? Oh shit. Things aren’t done between those two. She is onto him but he can still plant that doubt in her.

    Davos broke my heart. Completely. I know Kit and Emilia and Peter and Lena get most of the love but Liam Cunningham is just brilliant. His voice cracking, the look on his face. Heart destroyed!

    The ToJ reveal was expected and well done but I have to know, what is the ethnicity of the actress playing Lyanna? First off, beautiful girl but she looked like one of the Sand Snakes with her olive complexion and definitely didn’t have an English accent. Will have to watch again because there were moments, with her brief dialogue, that I didn’t understand her very well. Still don’t get the implications of it, other than Jon being half Targ so I guess he has a claim to the throne should Dany get it back.

    The Citadel was breathtaking. Sam is in all his glory!

    The ending with Cersei…amazing! Jaime’s look of absolute disdain was fantastic.
    While the Dany stuff is always where I find myself being most critical, Yara and Theon on the ship…awesome. But my God, people lap at Dany’s balls like their made of sugar. I guess she truly is the Messiah of the show. Still, her stuff this year has been my favorite Dany in 6 seasons, so that helps.

    Little Lyanna is boss. I wish we had more from Manderley but there is always next season, I hope!

    Missed Sandor but I hope the BwB are back in full force in season 7. A satisfying end to a really solid season.

  587. The roller coaster I go through with Cersei! Mostly I hate her, in varying degrees, but up against the HS, I pitied her in the end (even though it was her own making) and as he was such a douche, I wanted her to crush him… Now… I think I hate her more than any character that has been on this show! I cannot wait for Dany to arrive and kick her arsey of that throne! Wow. She is so so evil! After blowing up the sept and assuming the throne when she has no claim to it, isn’t anyone going to say, “Wait a minute….” I find it all a bit crazy.

    So much going on this episode. It was very epic and I feel we got a lot of things I wanted. I feel much much happier at the end of this season compared to last 🙂

    I’m not surprised they didn’t give us full TOJ reveal, but even so, as she started whispering to Ned I cursed the screen! If and how it will be revealed next season will be interesting.

    Very satisfying to see the north rally for Jon and I loved his and Sansa’s scene. I feel her conflict, but I interpret that last look as a “screw tou Baelish”, rather than her doubting that she wants to follow Jon. I hope so anyway.

    Lyanna Mormont, wow! I love so much how the show gave such a pivotal role to a little girl. That is just so awesome!

    All in all, amazing and looking forward to seeing it again later.

  589. I loved the KL payoff. It was a pain getting there but Queen Cirsei has outplayed them all. Dany vs Cirsei S7 – get hyped!

  591. Mag:
    Littlefinger dreaming to become King next to Sansa … Jon stole that dream from him. He isn’t happy.
    And Arya killing Walder Frey was a dream come true … Never expected to watch the Frey pie. But she looked crazy …. I almost cry when Jon was proclaimed King in the North. He was very cute watching his sister …

    Who knows, maybe Sansa will indeed sit next to a King., just not him. 🙂
    Arya presenting the Frey pie and killing Walder Frey – dream come true for me, too.
    I cried when they shouted KitN!

  592. HeHeldThatDoor,

    Arya killing Walder scene was just about as I envisioned (actually thought it would be in his bedroom if private though). That is to say that I loved it! As I discussed over the week, she has learned the skills of the FM and would use that to get justice for her family.

  593. Adam:
    Can we have Miguel Sapochnik please direct everything ever? PLEASE.

    THIS.

    Incredible. I bawled like a baby during Tower of Joy. The transition scene from baby to adult jon was beautiful.

    KING IN THE NORTH! Fuck yeah!

  595. Quite interestingly, Bran did not tell Benjen that he was also been marked and hence cannot pass the wall.

  596. Anyone notice that the show made a point that Ned still had Arthur Dayne’s sword? They even made a point to show the rising sun on the pommel as he went to see his sister.

    That has to tie into Jon and the upcoming battle.

  597. ash:
    Atish Vaze,

    WTF? I was crying tears of joy for her!

    I actually teared up when I saw Maisie’s name appeared in the opening credits. I’m like, is she going to complete the Red Wedding revenge? Yessss!

  601. Lord of Coffee,

    I think that final look from Sansa as Jon is proclaimed KITN is going to set the Sansa haters off yet again. Ugh

    I’m not a Sansa hater but I look forward to some tension between Jon – Sansa – Baelish. I don’t expect the North storyline to be all kumbaya. Tension will make it much more interesting. If I were Sansa, I might be a little pissed that my bastard brother was just named KiTN. and with LF whispering in her year. That would make more a most interesting storyline.

  602. Sansa Stark was the key of the north in the earlier seasons only when she was shipped around, one man to another and forced to get married, but when she is finally free to be Queen by herself she gets the title snatched right under her nose? Okay…

    Not that I’m mad, It makes sense for Jon to be King, but It’s still a little disappointing.

    I wonder if this means the northerners in the books will find out about Robb’s will. It’ll at least look better for Sansa, because Lyanna declaring Jon KiTN right in front of Sansa was seriously rude, lol…

  603. Clob,

    Varys said he was going to come back … and I watch the Sunspear flag first … I knew he was going to appear.

  605. Bryan,

    Arya missed an episode, also time did pass, obviously, wish they would fookin tell us! Also the varys thing was hilarious tbh

  608. Lol that baby was a pretty brilliant actor, nailed the Kit Harrington brooding Jon Snow look

  610. Cersei on the Iron Throne. Just fuck Westeros up some more. White Walkers and mad Queen Daenerys aren’t enough eh?

  611. Atish Vaze,

    I’m not sure it is that Bran cannot pass. THe question is whether his passing will enable the WW to pass. You’d think Benjen and Bran would know this but it wasn’t clear to me.

  612. Lord of Coffee,

    Why would it set off Sansa haters? Her expression was of concern when she looked at LF knowing his motives. She was smiling and happy at Jon. Even said to him before the LF discussion, he was a Stark as far she was concerned.

    All hail the boss of sass, Lyanna Mormont!

  613. Anyone else getting the feeling Jon is going to in up being this new “husband/king” Dany and Tyrion were talking about?

  614. Just processing this episode, wow.

    King in the NORTH!!!!! The White Wolf!!! Lady Mormont!!!
    Olenna shutting up the Snakes. I sobbed with joy, may Diana Rigg live forever and ever.
    Tommen’s silent leap. Wow.
    Dark Cersei on the Throne! She doesn’t have a chance in hell, but whatever. Headey was great this episode.
    Dany the Overpowered: I detest her, but will admit that the final scene with the navy and the dragons made me cheer.
    Sam in the library.
    Frey Pies 🙂
    Sansa and Jon, realizing that “winter is here,” and smiling.

  617. I know they were foreshadowing the hell out of Jon/Dany marriage, but I also got huge vibes from Tyrion and Dany which I was never expecting.

  619. Ser Marksalot:
    Wondering why Jaime is at the twins when all he wanted to do is get back to Cersei?

    Jaime was there because, being a secret card-carrying member of the Faceless Men, he helped Arya sneak into the Twins. In fact, they’ve been working together since episode one. 😉 😉

  620. Ok yes!!! It finally happened. We are in endgame y’all.

    Fucking A – Queen Cersei, first of her name. Queen “over Ashes and Charred Bones”… What you gonna do Jaime???? Kill her??? Try to “fix” her some more?? Run to Casterley Rock and turtle up?

    Dany UNH so good, my queen. Only question I have is Tyrion gonna be cool teaming up with the Niece murder brigade?? I think not…

    Stark stuff all so beautiful. Tiny Mormont won the week. 🙂

    Arya v Freys was fun but I’m not sure how she forgot to kill any Lannisters (though thankful).

  621. Jumbo:
    The only thing missing was Ghost, he should have been there when Jon was declared King.We got the dragons, we should have got Ghost who we haveb’t seen since Jon’s ressurection. Jon was literally called The White Wolf and there was no white direwolf in the room lol

    I’m with you! Ghost was one of those I wished to see in this episode. The White Wolf! Oh well, we can’t have it all, I guess.

    It would also have been nice to have Davos and Tormund look at each other when they shouted KitN. Remember their dialogue last ep:
    “Jon is not a king.”
    “No, he’s not.”
    HA!

  624. Darkrobin,

    But Sansa told Jon it should be him … that he was a Stark for her. I believe she was worried about Littlefinger … she knows he could attempt to get rid of Jon.

  625. Jumbo,

    Daenerys is not a mad queen
    It was clearly shown in the episode
    Cersei is a mad queen

    Dany is sacrificing her own self happiness to make the world a better place

  627. trarecar,

    They are totally setting up Dany and Tyrion falling I love!

    The KIT IN THE NORTH! I hope it goes better for him than it did his brother. After sending Mel away he’s on his own and better not die again 🙁

  628. Daario Speedwagon:
    Clob,

    BS. Continuity mistake, plain and simple.

    Broaden your mind and imagination!! Sheez! Varys left before the attack on Meereen. We don’t know how long the battle went on before Danaerys and her dragons ended it. We don’t know how long it was before they sailed. A troop movement of that size takes a lot of time. Give up on the timeline…

  629. Vincent Stark:
    Sansa Stark was the key of the north in the earlier seasons only when she was shipped around, one man to another and forced to get married, but when she is finally free to be Queen by herself she gets the title snatched right under her nose? Okay…

    Not that I’m mad, It makes sense for Jon to be King, but It’s still a little disappointing.

    I wonder if this means the northerners in the books will find out about Robb’s will. It’ll at least look better for Sansa, because Lyanna declaring Jon KiTN right in front of Sansa was seriously rude, lol…

    Lady Lyanna does whatever the fuck she wants, so you and Sansa get over it!

  630. #thenorthrembers

    The north also seems to be in dire (unintended) need of a king. They’re following 19 year old hearthrobs around, calling them king only if they aren’t flayers, letting little girls make cowards of them. And that play in Bravos made the north look like idiots was the common understanding.

    The north and the Vale allied now? LFs look to Sansa was a tad “you’ll regret this”.

    Also, did any body else think Tyrian and Dany were maybe almost gonna kiss before she pinned him her hand? He might make a great suitor for her. He does have the rightful claim to Call Rock.

  631. Sansa knows that LF will now target Jon. That look was telling. Jon stole what he wanted.

  632. <
    Clob,

    people still just can’t get over the fact that everything isn’t happening in one hour. A day, days, a week or more can happen without being seen. Daenerys’ readiness to leave Meereen, the gathering of the Houses at Winterfell, etc., they all take time and not chronological.

    I know, right? I mean I get the complaints about LF, but this is something different – of course all of this didn’t happen in one hour, geesh…. 🙂

    Clob,

  633. Great episode!

    Going to miss Margaery / Natalie! She KNEW and those idiots WOULDNT listen. So cruel… Cersei will get all taken by the younger and more beautiful queen next year though!

    Only one thing felt off and it was the Arya / Walder scene. just HOW did she do that? Really?! Needed a scene to explain (or maybe they dont KNOW how) but that would have ruined the surprise.

    Also we needed to see the Sandsnakes on Dany’s ships at the end cause now it looks like Varys borrowed that jetpack of Littlefinger.

    Looks like things will go quickly in S7. Fall of the wall…. Fall of Cersei… Probably ep1 for the first and ep4 in 7 ep season of for the later.
    Only question is who will strangle her Jaime or Tyrion. Obvious favorite is Jaime with Golden Hand.

  634. First, assassin children were too much. That is the suff of nightmares and no one wants to see a fight in the future where a lot of children get killed…

    The plot in kings landing for this season was really bad. Margs plot was basically nothing… it was really poor writing. After they finally burned the ep become interesting. And seriously, are we to believe that cersei is going to fight fight all other kingdoms just herself? I don t think she has any allies so basically i would say the season will start with her buying a lot of sellsswords, unsulied from somewhere, join euron and whatever else is necessary for her to become a threat to jon and danny.

    I kind of expected sansa to also push people to nominate jon to show she is ok with it. Basically the vale, the north and the wildlings are together. When they go to the riveruns they will get frey’s and tully men and join the northern kiingdoms and add arya to their party. Probably the hound will show up around that time and acuse littlefinger of his crimes…

    On the other hand danny has the Southern kingdoms with her… I can t see how it is possible for cersei to be a threat at this point…

  635. DT,

    The little birds kill in the books (in this case Kevan) – Varys killed Pychelle. So it is not out of context. These are hardened street kids.

  637. Nicole:
    I know they were foreshadowing the hell out of Jon/Dany marriage, but I also got huge vibes from Tyrion and Dany which I was never expecting.

    And, I wouldn’t mind Jon+Lady Bear Lyanna (after 10 years or so, of course).

  638. MAD QUEEN! (R.I.P. Margery, Loras & Tommen) Marg was like the only person in the room who had any sense of self preservation…. UGH no shade to Jonathon Pryce, but I am heartily glad to ‘bye, Felipe’ the H.S.
    I knew something was up with that serving girl, wonder if Arya was trying to cross Jamie off the List? Hells yeah to the Frey pie 😛 reference!! Guess the faceless training had a point
    I do believe we’ve witnessed the break between Jamie & Cersei. Interesting that Jamie got back in time to witness the aftermath of his sons death mirroring what happened with the Purple wedding in the books.
    Relationship Goals: to find a lover who looks at me like Sam looked at the Citadel library.
    I’m actually gald that they brought Olenna to Dorne, and happier still to hear “What do you desire? Fire and Blood.”
    Dany leaving Mereen “Did I turn off the stove? Did I remember to shuck my FWB? Did I meet my Spymaster? Did I give Tyrion that promotion? WHERE IS MY TOOTHBRUSHHHHHHH!!!11!!”” Joking aside, I’m thrilled to see her hauling ass to Westeros. Are they gonna land in Dorne, the Reach, the Stormlands, Dragonstone, or straight to KL?
    So…Bran uses the Wiernet to call an Uber?
    Props to Sansa for apologizing to Jon, I don’t believe she wants to do anything nefarious, and I admire her ability to dodge Uncle Resting Pedo-Face’s Highly Inappropriate Advances. She leveled up her +DEX.
    Mel, girl BYE. I’m glad that she got banished, b/c she does have some part to play (& damned if I know what that is). I totally believed Davos’ grief and anger in calling out the murder of Shireen.
    I love love loooove that the littlest badass Bear shamespired an entire room full of hard bitten Northern lords & martial men in to declaring for House Stark, united behind Jon. Hail KiTTEN, long may he regin!

    Holy Crap, it happened; obviously Bran understood the entire exchange between Lyanna & Ned. I caught a few phrases “..was dear to me..” “Please protect him” and of course “Promise me, Ned“. If that isn’t confirmation of Jon’s real identity, I don’t know what would be.
    Now Bran’s Uber just needs to deliver him to Winterfell so he can spill the beans.

    The Long Night gathers & now my Watch begins.

  640. aabe:
    Also, Jon Snow was born with that brooding look, it seems to me.

    I think they may have CGI’d Kit’s eyes to the baby, actually.

  641. Dany took Grey Worm and Missandei . Thought she was going to leave them. Can’t effing believe Cersei crowning herself. And I thought she’d go absolutely out of her mind over Tommen. Nothing. amazing. Jaime looked UNhappy. Wait until he finds out about Tommen

  643. I’m not the first person to say it, but I have been saying it a lot here.

    The series is setting up a war between the North and South. This episode just made it even more apparent.

    The King In The North vs. The Queen In The South. White Walkers vs. Dragons. It is going to be awesome.

  644. Mag,

    Told him that he should be KiTN or should have Ned’s and Cat’s bedroom chambers?

    You could be right. We will find out next year.

  646. Pigeon,

    I was spoiled that Marge was going to die but it was tragic how she knew, felt the impending doom, and that asshole HS would not let her leave 🙁

  647. Darkrobin,

    Mel has to get into Jon’s good graces again like Mormont did with D. She will send Thoros to him as proxy for herself and perhaps get word to her red cuzzies about Jon.

  648. What didn’t work perfectly for me… Cersei’s reaction to Tommen.

    Everything else was pretty much as perfect as GAME OF THRONES can get without actually following the books.

    11 out of 10

  650. Ghosts Lunch:
    Lol that baby was a pretty brilliant actor, nailed the Kit Harrington brooding Jon Snow look

    HAHAHA…give that baby ALL the awards!

    ygritte:
    trarecar,

    They are totally setting up Dany and Tyrion falling I love!

    I would actually prefer this to the Jon/Dany ship. I know it’s not strange or taboo for this “world” but incest is just not something that I personally find romantic, even in my fantasy themes. It’s like the Jon/Sansa thing. I get why people dig it and look past the family tie especially if the participants look good but it just feels gross. YMMV. I digress, I guess everyone who meets Dany is suppose to fall in love with her.

  651. Absolutely loved Sam at the library, BTW. Great little quiet scene. I could almost smell that wonderful old book scent!!!!

    Somehow, none of my favourites died. Except Margaery, she was close. Wow.

  652. Omg that amazing I still have chills.I want to thank all the gods that we made out of this season with the north squad alive.Baby Jon I cried,I know the father is not explicitly said but they are waiting for bran to reveal that to Jon next season but it’s confirmed anyway because it’s the only logical possibility.THE KING IN THE NORTH I loved it so much and I was happy Sansa was happy about it.She was worried about LF at the end as she should be but we will deal it next season fam the little schemer has it coming.Good news is I don’t have to worry about it for ten months and I get to rewatch the proclamation scene a hundred times haha

  657. Clob: People still just can’t get over the fact that everything isn’t happening in one hour.A day, days, a week or more can happen without being seen.Daenerys’ readiness to leave Meereen, the gathering of the Houses at Winterfell, etc., they all take time and not chronological.

    I agree, this frustrates me to no end. Even after we got the explanation from one of the directors people still complain about it.

    Loved the episode.

  658. Tyrion is going to be mighty pissed off when King’s Landing is conquered and he discovers the Baelish Bordello is no longer in business.

    On second thought, Bronn will have the joint up and running in no time.

    (Btw, when Bronn left the room with the ladies I was sure something bad was going to happen to Jaime while he was gone. Fooled me good there, GOT!)

  661. Sir Imp hand Strong: Lady Lyanna does whatever the fuck she wants, so you and Sansa get over it!

    Haha! That Lady Bear is fierce. I don’t think Sansa minded though. She was smiling genuinely. She supports Jon. She even said he should take her parents’ bedroom.

  662. I understand people’s issue with Varys’ minimal travel times. But I think the Tyrell and Martell sails on the ships made it fairly clear that he’d come to the party with those houses and their ships. Not really necessary to show anything between those two points (if they did people would complain that it is pointless filler).

  663. I predicted to a friend that we’d get a King in the North that’s based on Jon being Ned’s son WHILE ToJ reveals that he’s not actually Ned’s son.

    So, those wanting Sansa as QitN shouldn’t fear because I really do believe that’s the endgame and it will happen.

    Cersei’s one of my favorite characters so this turn of events – and what’s going to come for her – makes me sigh with its inevitability and also pleased for the fact that I get to see it.

  664. Simon,

    I hope so. Hate as I do what she did, he will need her and Thoros for the Great War to Come. It’s time to see some of the magic book!Mel can do on the show next year.

    Also, Mel looked a lot younger this episode than she had in previous episodes.

  665. cuddly crow:
    Can anyone explain how Arya got a face? I thought the faces were in the house of black and white. Isn’t that where they prep the bodies, etc?

    You’re not understanding. The FM use tools, potions, blood and training in order to use faces. The hall of faces is just where they keep them but they aren’t restricted to using just those. This isn’t a deviation from the books. FM can attain faces anywhere. Arya was trained in the art of preparation and application of faces. In simple terms, she has the ability to use any face she prepares and applies properly. She doesn’t have to be a FM to do it because it’s an art and skill.

  666. Connor:
    GeekFurious,

    Wow, wasn’t expecting that high of a rating from you!

    I appreciate quality plotting. I don’t just shit on the show for kicks. And this episode nailed almost every single beat. And it was almost perfectly edited and scored.

  671. Flayed Potatoes,

    actually I was thinking a jon and lyanna marriage! Not that much difference in age, and man would they be a power team. But yeah, Jon and Dany would probably be best

    The wild fire – I thought at least Margary would get away. Poor Olenna – tho it looks like shes taking it in stride as she would. Cersei on the throne and oh that look from Jaime – if looks could kill Arya with Frey, Frey Pies!!! Yes And Tyrion as hand of the queen and that final scene with the ships and dragons…..oh its going to be a looooong 9 months.

  672. To the jetpack crowd. Remember scenes don’t happen chronologically or simultaneously. Time passes between scenes of each arc. A single arc can cover a few weeks/months in a single episode

    I have deliberately tried to be vague about such things, so I don’t have obsessive fans with rulers measuring distances on the map and telling me Ned couldn’t get from X to Y in the time I say he did. – GRRM

    The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the “Northern Tour” Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the “story days” line up between all the characters the momentum would suffer. – Bryan Cogman

  673. Chuck,

    by the way that’s the first time I’ve ever used a bloody emoji in my life. Just shows you what my current state of mind is.

  674. Loved the episode. Cersei truly has went right of the deep end like never before.

    My only is with the TOJ flashback. Why is everyone saying that R+L=J is confirmed? They never gave us the R! Quite frankly, I think Jon looks more like Robert than Raygahr. Really disappointed they did not finish this storyline tonight.

  675. Just did a quick re-watch of the crowning scenes

    Firstly well done to giving the last ep to Sapochnik as well, not only does he do great Battle scenes he’s done great suspense etc

    First to note the unhappiness of Lord Royce at Wildlings, really setting up for Sansa to rule RL and Vale out of Harrenhall IMO and possibly the Dance of the Wolves (Stark civil war) though it might be a case of Dance of the Wolf and the Hound (Sansa Dogs, but think also in terms of Nymeria vs the Hunting dogs, which I reckon foreshadows Arya taking Jons side)

    given I reckon she is Lady Lothston Mk2 the “your part of me now” sadism foreshadowing from Ramsay to Sansa was actually quite good

    Loved the Mormont role, from Jons dismay at only 62 but it is obviously worth it as she just crowned him KitN. Explains why Sansa was sceptical as a set up, but remember also we had him pick up the shield last week

    Thirdly, Qyburn is Hand, Robert Strong is perhaps the Lord Commander of the KG which is where Jaimie being formally stripped of it makes sense, RS at LC finalises the defilement of the institution that is the Kingsguard

  678. Sam,

    Two excellent points.

    Ghost missing from its own scene. All this dire wolf love and none of the remaining army has even seen one.

    And Davos may have wanted anorher king, but I thought the freefolk didn’t.
    Thought maybe Jon would claim Commander, but let Sansa rule.

  679. I have never much cared about the travel stuff. The show isn’t happening in real-time. Anyone still complaining about that is just looking for ways to pad their negativity. And this will be the last time I waste my time even addressing that silly complaint.

  680. aabe,

    I could not agree more!

    Omg this episode was amazing! Everything that I wanted to happen, happened! The only thing that I’m upset about is Margery dying, I really liked her but as soon as those sparrow effers didn’t let anyone out of the Citadel I knew she was doomed 🙁

  683. Lest I forget, kudos to the designer(s) of the Citadel. At last, Sam looked truly at home.

  684. Liam told in one of the videos that Jon and Sansa feud might be coming up. She’s not entirely happy about it and it’s not going to be pretty.

  685. Catspaw Assassin: Jaime was there because, being a secret card-carrying member of the Faceless Men, he helped Arya sneak into the Twins. In fact, they’ve been working together since episode one.

    Seriously, all Arya did while on disguise as the servant girl was flirt with him and eye_uck him! LOL.

    I’m assuming that face Arya used was the one she stole from the Hall of Faces (placing the Waif’s face there instead.)

  686. WOAH……was that not a DAMM FINE FINALE for the season……did it break the internet?
    I was a late watcher and have not read the comments all as yet just raced to the bottom so I could quickly say THANK YOU for giving me a space to air my thoughts……at first all I could think of was for some strange reason…”Cersie’s wine goblet”…how clever lol
    Off to re-watch for the second time….and third etc….very satisfied!!

  687. aabe:

    Hoping to see some Euron/Cersei conflict next season, before we get Euron/Dany.

    Now that Yara/Theon are with Team Dany, I think Euron will offer his fleet and his cock to Cersei. She’s going to need ships to defend King’s Landing.

  689. Cried at Hand of the Queen
    Cried at TOJ
    Cried at King in the North
    Cried at Davos’ tears

    That director should run for president. Don’t know what his policies would be like, but he’d sure make it exciting to watch.

  690. Dee Stark,

    I want to believe you, but how could you have known that? I kept bringing up Euron’s speech and you kept ignoring it. Did you hear it from other people maybe who read the spoilers?

    Assuming that the Euron thing wasn’t a massive mistake, I think one of the first things we’ll see next season is Euron’s fleet meeting Dany’s fleet right in the middle of the narrow sea. You don’t just have someone give a major speech on building 1000 ships, the exact amount Dany needs, and then not follow up on it.

  691. Where the hell is Ghost? How is Jon Snow the White Wolf when Ghost is nowhere to be seen? How did Varys get back to Dany? Sam is running around with Heartsbane? GTFO. A sworn brother of the Night’s Watch arrives to the Citadel with a woman and child and no one is asking questions? No raven was ever sent to the Citadel informing them of the death of the LC, the election of the new LC, and the death of their Maester? What the shit? Season six has had the worst story development and writing of any season yet. So many great actors, directors, great action scenes, and then absolutely lousy story development. Please GRRM, PLEASE hurry up with Winds of Winter, so I can read the real story.

  692. Vincent Stark:
    Sansa Stark was the key of the north in the earlier seasons only when she was shipped around, one man to another and forced to get married, but when she is finally free to be Queen by herself she gets the title snatched right under her nose? Okay…

    Not that I’m mad, It makes sense for Jon to be King, but It’s still a little disappointing.

    I wonder if this means the northerners in the books will find out about Robb’s will. It’ll at least look better for Sansa, because Lyanna declaring Jon KiTN right in front of Sansa was seriously rude, lol…

    I really think that Sansa will be Queen in the North in the end. I think one of the reasons why ToJ happened in the same episode as Jon becoming KitN was to have the – Jon isn’t Ned’s son – bit as a reminder for the viewers: one of the foundations for Jon being KitN isn’t actually true.

    So, I don’t know how it’ll happen but does anyone really think that Jon will keep Sansa’s birthright when he realizes that he’s not Ned’s son? I’d stake my money on Sansa getting it and it’ll probably be around the time she gets rid of Littlefinger.

    iN any case, I’m looking forward to all the Jonsa fics where they have to marry to consolidate power or something. Go on, shippers. Do your thing.

  697. And I just KNEW Cersei would claim the throne, but man that was still chilling.

  698. Great episode, outside of Arya at the Twins. To just throw such a major scene in there without any setup was disappointing. Had they got Arya out of Braavos a couple of episodes sooner, they could have set it up beautifully.

    I feel like D&D did GRRM a solid by not revealing too much about what happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna. They finally revealed that Jon was their son, but just stuck to the promise Ned made, which we now know was to protect Jon, as most suspected. I thought they handled the scene incredibly well, with the music and leading into the King In The North!

    It took a while, but I think Jaime finally sees Cersei for what she truly is. The Mad Queen. I think we know who the valonqar is.

    Now, will Tyrion stand by and let Dany roast Jaime? And how will he feel about allying with the people who murdered Myrcella? Oh,I usually don’t care about jetpacks, but Varys really did take some suspension of belief.

  699. Geralt of Rivia,

    A little dramatic tension makes for good TV … seriously you don’t have to hate Sansa to hope for a little tension. Somehow all for one and one for all with all the Starks might be a little boring over the next 12 – 14 episodes.

    I’m thinking the Wall falls later than I originally thought. Allows more time in the North for political intrigue.

  700. Dee Stark,

    I spotted it, had a moment of “orange & white WAIT WHICH HOUSE IS THAT??”

    Ot: I think we answered the question “Who is the Big Bad Enemy now that Ramseys gone?” I don’t think I want to know what happened to Septa Unella or what was actually under the FrankenMountain’s helm. /shudder

  701. CenPhx,

    Ah true, I believe you’re right. In that case, hell yes, I’m down for Arya being the one to take Cersei out!

  703. Dee Stark:
    Sam,

    I didn’t even notice her name so I was completely surprised
    Fucking amazing

    Remember your little survey a few days back about whom we want to see dead? I said LF at the hands of Sansa; Freys at the hands of Arya; and Mountain at the hands of Sandor. One of them happened! Thank you to the Old Gods and New! hahaha!

    Will wait for the other two to happen. It’s bound to happen, people!

  704. Cameryn: I think you misinterpreted that scene.That wasn’t Sansa looking sad.That was Sansa looking suspicious.

    King in the North Jon Snow does not work for Littlefinger’s master plan, you see…

    That’s how I interpreted it. She looked worried because LF was lurking about creepily as he tends to do, and she knows he’s not happy about Jon being KITN. She was smiling and then her smile fades when she glances in LF direction.

  708. George: I’m assuming that face Arya used was the one she stole from the Hall of Faces (placing the Waif’s face there instead.)

    😉 I’d totally forgotten about that stolen face. Silly me, I thought she’d killed a scullery maid for it, which wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.

  709. Note for people who are seriously miffed: I feel the need to say that probably over a month’s time lapsed during the episode. All the lords of the north had time to congregate, a queen was anointed, an army of 100,000+ had to make ready to leave aboard ships. And snow began to reaccumulated, which usually signifies a passage of time. In sure arya, Jamie and varys (yes even him) had enough time to trav so some distances.

    Time jumps have been happening since S1, anne this one actually makes more sense.

  710. Darkrobin,

    It would be interesting. For sure and like Benioff said last time King in the North ended the way he end and that Jon is in danger. He is in position of power and LF is around and others.

  711. Wow. Just WOW!
    Fantastic finale and I’m with them that say best episode EVER.
    Music awesome, pace perfect, left fielders stunning, strong women & girls magnificent, last scene Grand of all grands! Superb. Fine piece of film and storycraft ~_~

  713. Great episode.

    Fucking hate to lose Marge, hopefully the Reach wrecks bloody vengeance.

    Dorne was decent!

    I deeply hope the White Wolf lives longer than the Young Wolf!!!

    Something cool I noticed, Sean Bean’s sister in GoT (Aisling Francosi) is his co-star in Legends. I’m not sure if that’s meant to be some purposeful irony, but that definitely would be some weirdly ironic (yet cool) six degrees! Could probably do that just from GoT alone now.

    Fuck I hate to lose Marge, but that shit really was awesome, Ramin killed it, AND DANY IS FUCKING FINALLY GOING TO WESTEROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  714. BTW, what scene was Liam Cunningham talking about when he described a scene as being like “The Red Wedding”. I thought maybe this would be the meeting of the Northern men at Winterfell.

  715. CenPhx:
    Lady_Vicious1984,

    Isn’t she on Arya’s list? If Arya is working her way through her murder-list, I think I’d rather see Arya do the deed than Dany.

    Yes, I’d like that. Dany will take her crown but Arya will be her “valonqar” – she’ll wear the face of Tyrion when she kills her. Ha!

  718. When Daario mentioned marriage, Jon is going to marry Daeny. I mean he is probably the most attractive single guy in position of power and her family.

    LonnaL,

    Whether feud or not. Sophie said Jon is a naive and LF is dangerous. We’re going to see interesting dynamic between Jon/LF/Sansa.

  719. Oh shit… it just dawned on me… my best friend is coming over to watch the final 2 episodes of GOT with me and his favorite character just got blown up in a raging inferno of wildfire.

  720. Give it up for lyanna mormont everybody Jon’s Snow official sponsor and his pr campaign manager.It’s only fitting that she has his mom’s name.Also they setting up the jon/dany vibes this episode so get ready people lol

  722. Sam: Yes, I’d like that. Dany will take her crown but Arya will be her “valonqar” – she’ll wear the face of Tyrion when she kills her. Ha!

    Eh,
    Danny is not in Arya’s list; either in the books or the show…

  723. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Which statements do you take issue at? That Cersei would burn down the Sept – surely that was telegraphed. Frey pie – as soon as Walder said they’d choke on their laughter I knew he would choke on his. And the director timed a look from the Waif at the time Arya mentioned Frey’s name – which did not relate to her saying it but appeared a wink that that would happen.

    That Dany would sail for Westeros – surely that had to happen … Olenna sent a letter to someone – evidently it was to Ellaria. Varys had to go somewhere – where else other than Dorne to find someone who hated Lannisters?

  724. People who complain because characters (Varys and Jaime) move around the world too quickly are the worst. One episode does not equal one day. It could be hours, days, or weeks that go by between scenes. Just try to enjoy what may have been the best finale and stop being so miserable.

    Did not expect Tommen to go out like that. Cersei didn’t seem too upset which is even more concerning.

    Not liking that look LF gave Sansa during the kingindanorf scene, just further dividing her and Jon.

    I am liking that look Jaime gave Cersei. Definitely the exact moment he begins his turn away from her and realizes he has to be the one to stop her.

    And we got Frey pies and Manderly in the same episode. Hope Arya saves him a slice or seven.

    Gonna be a lot of curtain calls this week.

    And now the Long Night begins until April 🙁

  726. kells,
    I guess everyone who meets Dany is suppose to fall in love with her.

    It sure does seem that way doesn’t it 🙂 I’m not really down with romance developing between him and either of those female relatives either. Would have been nice if Lady Lyanna were a bit older 🙂

  727. The season as a whole is right up there with S4 as my favorite. Eps 4, 5, 9, 10 are easily in my Top 10 favorite episodes. And all the other goodies along the way. I don’t even care about the missteps here and there (mostly, the ARya Braavos resolution). This show just confirmed again my admiration for everyone behind and in front of the camera.

  728. Okay. Winds was the best episode of the season after ep 9. Could even surpass it, I need all the revelations and what it means for the future to settle a bit. I’ll give a more in-depth analysis later today. What I will say is that D&D you are brilliant, Miguel you are a star, can you please direct all of S7? Kthanksbye.

    The cast is the bomb, like I got feels with every single actor in this show, best ensemble cast on TV by far. For me this episode exceeded because of these subtle moments between characters. I was floored when Tyrion indirectly declared his love for Dany through a loving glance?!! That was the real surprise for me. You guys will probably disagree but I also felt something akin to that between Jon and Sansa. I said it could be possibility even before S6 began, and with everything I’ve seen this season, I know I’m not the only one thinking their union could be a possibility.

    So much talk of husbands and wives and unions – LF wanting Sansa, creepy shit!!! He got shunned HARD by her, the second time in his life he was rejected by a Tully woman. You better believe he’ll try and stir up trouble for Sansa if he can’t have her. The look Sansa gave LF at the end was basically her saying that “you’re plotting something against Jon, and I’m onto you”. She’ll end him next season, this episodes adds credence to this. ALSO huge that Sansa knows through LF, that Jon was born in the South and not in the North. And of course Bran has that useful bit of info now.

    I predict a messy Sansa-Jon-Tyrion-Dany (with paedofinger in the peripheries) love square next season. Honestly won’t be as linear as Dany marrying Jon, too cliche.

    So much to digest, haven’t even touched on all the deaths. Tommen’s was eerily done, so tragic and heartbreaking to witness a suicide like that.

    I’m floored guys!!!

  729. I think once Jon finds out about his parents, it won’t matter. Being “fire and ice” will probably help in the fight with the WW, once he realizes it but I don’t think he will ever view himself as anything other than Ned’s son.
    Finding out the truth will probably bring some relief, knowing who his Mother is especially, but it will also mean everything he has believed in has been a lie. A lie to protect him, maybe, but he has looked up to his Father more than anyone else in his life. For that to be taken away, I feel, will really have him questioning his place. His relationship with Ned has shaped him. It is what he seems most proud of. I don’t think he cared about being KitN for himself, but more to make his Father’s house proud. It will be really interesting to see if this is explored.

  732. THE KING IN THE NORTH!!!!!!!!!!!! AWJNEGJOHNKLEANGRSFKJAENGBRD:MLR

  733. I was looking for Yohn Royce in that hall. Was he there? Did I miss him? I would have loved to see him declare for Jon too.

  734. Really great finale!

    Lena Heady is so good in this entire show. That black dress with the silver shoulder things was so cool. Wish I could see her wear that with her real hair color and style.

    She always said Cersei wanted to have the throne herself.

    Cersei knew Tommen was going to die because the witch told her. But she tried to save him anyway.

    Whe can’t people understand that days, weeks or months can pass from one scene to the next? Everything isn’t happening on our time scale. Geez.

    Littlefinger wants to be King and Jon has just been named King of the North. Conflict coming.

    Where does Arya head now? KL? Winterfell?

    Does Dany marry her nephew?

    Does Euron attack Dorne or the Reach?

    Benjen doesn’t know Bran has been touched by the Night King?

  737. Geralt of Rivia,

    Agreed. This is not going to be a cakewalk to Jon and Dany meeting and destroying the WW. If that were true, it wouldn’t take 12 – 14 episodes.

    Villains – LF, Euron, Cersei, Qyburn, ???

  738. HouseMartellBitches: Fucking hate to lose Marge, hopefully the Reach wrecks bloody vengeance.

    Did you read the EW interview with Natalie Dormer they just posted? Apparently, she went to D&D before last year and asked if they could kill her off earlier than they planned because she wanted to do another project. So it could’ve been last year if D&D had agreed.

  740. DT,

    Because the timelines are not concurring in the show. Which means that you don’t see the same days or weeks in Westeros as you do in Essos in an episode (or you don’t have to.) Also for your information, it took 21-29 days to sail from New York to Liverpool in the mid 1800s. Varys should be able to sail to Dorne and Back in 1-2 months’time which fits perfectly well with the Essos time line. One episode is not = one day or week.

  742. Geralt of Rivia:
    Liam told in one of the videos that Jon and Sansa feud might be coming up. She’s not entirely happy about it and it’s not going to be pretty.

    Huh? Where is that video? Maybe it’s their “fight” before the BotB at the tent? Sansa clearly was supportive of Jon in this episode! I don’t know why people are interpreting it any other way. The only thing I was surprised was Jon not protesting the declaration (the way he would protest in the books when he’s offered to be “legalized” and have the “Stark” name because he felt he should’t take WF away from his siblilngs). But that’s all right. I think he’s a bit shocked of the whole thing.

  743. Guys, I’m shaking. An hour later, I’m still shaking.

    If you’ve been around WOTW, you know that I love Game of Thrones with every fiber of my being. I’m prone to excessively long comments expressing that love. But you know that I try to remain calm and rational, and try not devolving into shouting. I’m trying to do that now, but it’s hard. It’s really damn hard.

    Because I just watched “The Winds of Winter”. And granted, I’ve only seen it once. But as of this moment, I feel completely comfortable saying this.

    THAT WAS MY FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE ENTIRE SERIES.

    The opening sequence (scored to Ramin Djawadi’s absolutely stunning piece “Light of the Seven”! Arya serving Frey pies to Lord Walder, and then assassinating him! Dany leaving for Westeros! Tyrion as Hand of the Queen! Sam in Oldtown (God DAMN is it beautiful). Ellaria, Olenna and Varys forging an alliance! Jaime’s look as Cersei is crowned! Jon being declared King in the North (with an assist from Sansa and Lyanna)! Bran seeing what happened at the Tower of Joy, and Jon’s true parentage confirmed!

    All that, and so much more. I don’t cry easily. But by the end of that episode, I was in tears. Everything about it was perfect, and I couldn’t ask for anything more. I can’t wait to watch it again.

  745. Chris C:
    Loved the episode. Cersei truly has went right of the deep end like never before.

    My only is with the TOJ flashback. Why is everyone saying that R+L=J is confirmed? They never gave us the R! Quite frankly, I think Jon looks more like Robert than Raygahr. Really disappointed they did not finish this storyline tonight.

    I thought she actually whispered Robert is going hunt him or something like that?

  746. Daario Speedwagon,

    No, don’t think it was a continuity mistake. They just jumped ahead to where Varys has joined them after confirming that he has Dorne and Lady Ollenna in the fold so they know where it’s safe to land the ships. I think it was meant to show that Dany is almost to Westeros at that point and not just leaving Meereen.

  751. So, preliminary survey of the next season. Interestingly, it felt like this season set up a bunch of dominos that should be falling way quicker than the seven episodes the season is slated to last.

    In particular, in the South, Cersei has proclaimed herself Queen. House Stark and House Arryn are in open revolt (I’m not clear on what the Vale’s political status is now, whether King Robin is now King Jon’s ally, or whatever), though admittedly not likely to be actively fighting the throne. The Riverlands are in chaos (on a side note, they made a point of telling us that Edmure was back in the cells at the Twins; is Arya going to help him out?), and with Walder Frey dead, there’s not going to be any help in that quarter. Dany is about to land in Westeros, backed by House Martell, House Tyrell, (part of) House Greyjoy, 100,000 Dothraki riders, 8000 Unsullied infantry and three fully grown dragons.

    How does Cersei possibly resist that for more than an episode or two, unless Dany spends most of the season s-l-o-o-o-o-w-l-y heading toward King’s Landing, Renly-style? I’m starting to wonder if those speculations about Cersei marrying Euron to get some dark magic mojo are true, because otherwise this seems like it should be over pretty quickly.

  752. Jumbo,

    “Light of the Seven” was reminiscent of both Max Richter’s score for “The Leftovers” and Cliff Martinez’ score for “Only God Forgives”. It was a truly great and unique piece.

  753. ygritte:
    GeekFurious,

    That and Lady Olenna doing her sarcasm bit while smiling just after she speaks of the deaths of Marge and Loras. I mean, wth?

    I was okay with that because that’s her character. And we have no idea how much time has passed. She’s not looking at her dead family. Cersei was. So we know that was more recent in the timeline.

  754. Flayed Potatoes,

    I didn’t hear everything. I have to re-watch, asap. Somebody here posted she said something like “protect him from Robert”. If so, that kills the Ro+L=J theory. Yey! There are still people who aren’t clear about who the dad is, by the way.

  755. ygritte:
    kells,
    I guess everyone who meets Dany is suppose to fall in love with her.

    It sure does seem that way doesn’t it I’m not really down with romance developing between him and either of those female relatives either. Would have been nice if Lady Lyanna were a bit older

    Agree! Lady Lyanna in 8-9 years…I can get behind that. 🙂 Dany and Jon would probably be more palatable for some viewers, since the family relations haven’t been evident since season 1 and incest doesn’t seem to be a sticking point with this show. But Jon and Sansa have known each other all their lives. They grew up together as siblings. She might not have acknowledged him for shit but it’s still too close for comfort for my tastes.

  756. This was just an absolutely amazing and beautiful episode. I even liked Peter Dinklage’s acting in this one. All of them were very brilliant and there was so much happening !! Fantastic.

    And I have to happily scream: THEEEEOOONNNN. Thank goodness, that I’m getting more Alfie Allen acting next year.

  757. Geralt of Rivia,

    Gotdammit Sansa! I’m guessing this must be a major arc in the books cause I don’t think the show runners would add that in on their own. It makes me sad though. Just how much more betrayal and negativity does Jon have to put up with?

  758. All i read is dany and jon confirmed… Un no.

    Jonsa is on its way to literally and figuratively sink that ship.

    Can’t wait to see Sam die at the hands of Euron Grayjoy

  759. Jared:
    Guys, I’m shaking. An hour later, I’m still shaking.

    If you’ve been around WOTW, you know that I love Game of Thrones with every fiber of my being. I’m prone to excessively long comments expressing that love. But you know that I try to remain calm and rational, and try not devolving into shouting. I’m trying to do that now, but it’s hard. It’s really damn hard.

    Because I just watched “The Winds of Winter”. And granted, I’ve only seen it once. But as of this moment, I feel completely comfortable saying this.

    THAT WAS MY FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE ENTIRE SERIES.

    The opening sequence (scored to Ramin Djawadi’s absolutely stunning piece “Light of the Seven”! Arya serving Frey pies to Lord Walder, and then assassinating him!Dany leaving for Westeros! Tyrion as Hand of the Queen! Sam in Oldtown (God DAMN is it beautiful). Ellaria, Olenna and Varys forging an alliance! Jaime’s look as Cersei is crowned! Jon being declared King in the North (with an assist from Sansa and Lyanna)! Bran seeing what happened at the Tower of Joy, and Jon’s true parentage confirmed!

    All that, and so much more. I don’t cry easily. But by the end of that episode, I was in tears. Everything about it was perfect, and I couldn’t ask for anything more. I can’t wait to watch it again.

    I approve of this reaction.

    I won’t say it is my favorite… but we’ll see how I feel next year when I do my top 10 list. 🙂

  760. ygritte,

    I think the writers had Jon send Mel away, so viewers would be kept in suspense about Jon’s fate. It’s difficult to worry for him when he has a priestess that can revive him quickly.

  761. Darkrobin,

    I heard someone mention in passing “when Jaime and / or Cersei” becomes King. Sure Sept burning was obvious and so was Arya killing Walder Frey (though the pie eating thing was far from obvious). But Dany sailing for Westeros wasn’t, especially with Euron’s speech. Figured he might pay her a visit first, but I’m going to predict that his fleet meets hers in the Narrow Sea at the beginning of next season (or else his whole speech was fucking pointless). There was other stuff that came up during the episode that I can’t remember.

  762. Jack Bauer 24:
    What was so special about Cersei’s crown? Clapton was hyping it up.

    It was a mini Iron Throne!

    Ok, Olenna calling Obara “Barbara” might be my favorite line of hers ever.

    I also loved how Manderly basically looked like an older version of King Triton from “The Little Mermaid.”

  763. maria: Sansa and Jon, realizing that “winter is here,” and smiling.

    Kit looked so wonderful with that big smile on his face – he and the character have matured beautifully. I loved most of this episode, I think it will grow on me with more viewings (unlike last week’s, which imho was great from beginning to end.)

  765. Tyrion could be Targaryan if mad King Ayres raped Tywins wife (name?)…mother’s without dragons blood who birth dragon blood babes die in labor in this world…

    If if he and Dany were to become more than friends…

  766. Ravyn: Did you read the EW interview with Natalie Dormer they just posted? Apparently, she went to D&D before last year and asked if they could kill her off earlier than they planned because she wanted to do another project. So it could’ve been last year if D&D had agreed.

    Ya, I read it, I knew it had to happen; I even saw the Truede spoilers, but still, it pains me nontheless.

    I wonder how many fanbase fights we are going to have over who Jon’s father is. That should be painfully obvious, but at least this isn’t TWD.

    I wonder if they did it for GRRM?

  767. I’m Ramen’s biggest fan, but I absolutely hated his opening piece during the King’s Landing stuff in the beginning. Didn’t feel like GoT like, kind of ruined the scene for me. It was really bizarre.

  768. Sean C.:

    The Riverlands are in chaos (on a side note, they made a point of telling us that Edmure was back in the cells at the Twins; is Arya going to help him out?), and with Walder Frey dead, there’s not going to be any help in that quarter.

    Arya’s got to help him out. After whacking him on the head. What the f*ck, uncle? 🙂 Anyway, I expect RL to side with the North. The Tullys are back, I suppose? Or we can’t assume that yet?

  770. I just watched it once, still watching the rest of the HBO lineup.

    But after my first viewing I liked everything but the King’s Landing stuff kind of dragged for me. But hey that’s just my opinion.

    Everything besides the KL stuff was awesome and I love that little bear girl had another important, to the point, matter of fact, speech to make.

    Davos scene was amazing that dude can act, his tears became my tears.

    Great episode, my only nitpick is the KL stuff dragged but perhaps that’s just my problem since the KL stuff really was boring to me this whole a season. I am sure if I wasn’t looking at the clock thinking “Why are we still in KL”, I might have enjoyed it more.

    PROMISE ME NED!!!!

  772. ygritte,

    Oh come on. That’s who Lady Olenna is. It’s not a ‘bit’.

    People who are nitpicking this episode just need to stop watching. I’m serious. You do not deserve this show. Go watch NCIS or Big Bang Theory or something like that.

  774. Epic finale aided by jetpacks…but I don’t care.

    Sandsnakes much better when Olenna shuts them up!

    Music was key!

    Oh man it was so instantly obvious Tommen was jumping out that window…even when he walked away I knew he was coming back…perfect way to go. (even thought I didn’t want him to die).

  775. cuddly crow,

    Tbh the fact that Littlefinger is there and when she looks over at him you see her smile fall is meant to make the fans worry about Jon. Personally I think everything Sansa said and did this episode is meant to make you see that all she wanted was to go home and get revenge on Ramsay, she didn’t want to be the one in charge at all. However Lf’s words that she is supposed to be the leader/QITN is meant to introduce doubt. In this case I don’t think it’s meant to introduce doubt to Sansa but rather to the viewers. Lol it gives us to next season to worry about what Littlefinger’s plans are and whether Sansa will help or hinder him and to what extent she will do so. To me, it’s fairly obvious that she’ll try and get rid of Littlefinger asap (no one knows more than her how dangerous he is) and that’ll only get easier when the Hound and her assassin little sister show up.

  778. I hate that Tommen died but I love that the means of death was defenestration. That’s the same method used to try and kill Bran in S1 E1. Now Bran is still alive and all of Cersei and Jamie’s kids are dead. Karma’s a dish best served cold, with a side of Frey pie.

  782. Watchers on the Wall, will you have 11 “Curtain Call” articles next week, or something? 😛

  783. A theory:

    Tonight ends the Jaime/Cersei union for good. Once Jaime finds out what she did, after seeing her take the throne — and given the double barrage of Brienne appealing to him to do the good she knows he can and Walder Frey proving that up until now both he and Jaime have acted roughly the same — he’s going to bail on her and take up arms against her. Probably finding Brienne and going to help Jon Snow.

    I think we’ll see the Hound and Bronn join him too, which means we’re setting up for two opposing armies: Dany, the Tyrells, Martells and Greyjoy fleet from the south, and Jon, Sansa, the Northern lords, Brienne and Jaime from the North. They’ll need to come to agreement in order to unite against Cersei and then against the White Walkers… and who better to unite Dany and Jon Snow than the clever dwarf who’s met both of them.

    And that’s why D&D say only 13 more episodes… because all the chess pieces are on the board now.

    (Three or four outliers, though: what will Arya’s role be? How will Bran use his new knowledge to help against the White Walkers? What will Euron’s role be, since he’s obviously got a part to play in something. And what will Littlefinger’s destiny finally be? The man who’s basically made the rules from the start, from Jon Arryn’s death to Joffrey’s and now saving Jon & Sansa… the one who looked at her, not happy that there’s someone else from the North claiming the throne… what will be his fate?)

  784. Totally unimportant but I think it’s now clear “Young Stunner” wasn’t Lyanna but the serving girl/Arya.

  785. Found the actress who played Lyanna. Not sure if someone posted this before.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4957233/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t49

    What a beauty! Knew she couldn’t be English because that accent was so obviously not. That was the only bit that threw me and felt a bit out of place but I assume it was a one off appearance, so it didn’t matter in the big picture. Just a little hard to understand at first (the whispering didn’t help).

  787. Lord of Light bless Cersei’s shoulder pads, that episode was amazing!!! That whole KL part had me on the edge of my seat. I feel odd but I was rooting for Cersei… Or maybe it was more for Lena Headey for being in-fucking-credible!! Points that made me cry: Davos confronting Mel. Oh god, that got me right in the feels real good. Surprising Dany & Tyrion did as well a little. Tyrion deserves this so much. It’s nice to see him get proper respect. The two Lyannas!! Tower of Joy was done well. Lyanna Mormont made me cheer though. That kid is brilliant in the role and her facial expressions just made me so happy. XD

  789. ygritte,

    Her book arc is clearly set up for her to end up killing Littlefinger. So I feel like I have a pretty good idea of what’s happening next season…

  792. The only flaw this episode has is that it cannot be given a 30 on a scale 1-10!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  793. Wow, where to begin. Beautiful finale that gave up closed some doors and opened many others.

    Only 13 episodes left? So much to do, so little time! And that may be why the teleportation of characters is happening more and more. They can’t afford the time to bring these characters back together the usual way (we really could have used two more full seasons, but money is a reality and so I’ve decided to just overlook that. But geez Varys and Arya sure accumulated a lot of frequent flyer miles in short order!)

    Okay, that mini-rant out of the way…

    If there was ever a reluctant king, it’s Jon. But I love him. He’s on the path to recovery and finding his footing. I thought the showrunners also did a nice job with ToJ – confirming R+L=J without completely giving away the details. Like, were L+R married?

    Lyanna Mormont is now in my top 5 characters for the entire series. She’s only had a dozen or so lines so far but now I’m cheering for her to eventually take the Iron Throne.

    Sansa. Sansa…Sansa. Oh how LF is manipulating her. Stoking her vanities and insecurities. She’s doing her best to resist but he is a master manipulator. I don’t think she’s evil and I believe she loves Jon. But LF will get between them.

    Davos: love him. Always. Such a great actor. I cried at his hurt for Shireen. A little sorry to see Mel go but I suspect it’s not the last we see of her. Just thrilled Davos didn’t get killed off in some random way.

    One other thing…was sad to see we won’t see a Jon/Benjen reunion for a long time. Was looking forward to that.

    Arya. May be the only character whose arc is slightly disappointing me. Did she borrow a few faces from the wall? If not, her technique for removing a face has improved since the waif. In that case, did she kill some random innocent girl to get a face? So then she slays the two sons so she can cut them up and put them in a meat pie, and cuts up Walder Frey. I’m not sure how I feel about that. Independent, strong, intelligent, impetuous, and maybe a little bloodthirsty? Yeah, I liked that. Cold blooded sadistic killer? Hmm. I just hope this was kind of a one-off revenge thing and not a regular habit.

    Switching gears to KL.

    Boom. A lot of us expected it. Before the ep, I’d hoped that a few people would survive. Nope. Clean slate. If they reintroduce someone next season, it’ll be a hard one to take. I do wonder the point of spending so much time on Loras’s trial if not a soul would live through the afternoon. The murder of Pycelle by the kids was super disturbing. Still processing that.

    Tommen’s suicide wasn’t surprising but I thought it was more expediency than good story telling. Wouldn’t most people wait to hear if anyone might’ve made it out before the blast? Or not been there? Whatever. Cersei didn’t even look that bummed about it. More resigned to the prophecy. And maybe even relieved that it’s over.

    Jaime won’t mourn Walder Frey. I’m going to have to re-watch that scene, because otherwise I wasn’t quite sure the point of it.

    However the look on Jaime’s face as Cersei was being seated on the iron throne? That may be the final puzzle piece that comes between the two of them. Given his love for Tyrion, Jaime’s going to play a pivotal role next season. Will he remain loyal to Cersei to the end, or will this betrayal be enough for him to switch sides? All she had to do was keep herself alive and Tommen safe. She chose herself. Not sure he’ll forgive her for that.

    Tyrion/Dany: I teared up when Dany made him Hand of the Queen. Not only because it recognized him for him (not his fathers son), but because Dany was going by Westerosi tradition. She’s on her way. The scene with the ships was beautiful. Greyworm gets to go! I’d hoped he wouldn’t be left behind.

    Varys/Sandsnakes/QoT: Quick and easy way to establish a few alliances now before going into next season. If anything, they saved some time from next season, and I’m ok with that. I was surprised Lady Tyrell had heard about the Sept explosion and Jaime hadn’t. But like I said, if I start getting nitpicky about timelines I’ll just disappoint myself.

    Overall, I enjoyed the episode immensely, even if there were not a lot of surprises. I might see more subtle details when watching it again.

    As for the season? What great TV.

  794. So, does that lingering shot of Dawn being rested against the bed mean that Jon was born “under” a bleeding star?

  795. LatrineDiggerBrian:
    Darkrobin,

    I heard someone mention in passing “when Jaime and / or Cersei” becomes King. Sure Sept burning was obvious and so was Arya killing Walder Frey (though the pie eating thing was far from obvious). But Dany sailing for Westeros wasn’t, especially with Euron’s speech. Figured he might pay her a visit first, but I’m going to predict that his fleet meets hers in the Narrow Sea at the beginning of next season (or else his whole speech was fucking pointless). There was other stuff that came up during the episode that I can’t remember.

    I think I agree with you. There bound to be some dramatic development in Deny’s camp. Otherwise it’s all too easy and straight victory. I am thinking that either she loses most of her army or some other backstabbing happens.

    I wonder if that was the end for Daario or perhaps he could factor in. And how Tyrion is going to deal with Martells. And of we still have Euron lurking somewhere.

  796. ForestLight,

    agree. It would be totally cool to see the hound and Brienne (if they can get past the fight) making sure LF doesn’t take control. I have a feeling LF will be a Sansa kill, but would like her to find out all he has done first. Arya I am having mixed feelings. If she keeps on enjoying killing , her character could go south.

  797. As for the whole tension vs Sansa and Jon, much as I’m sick of it, I think we can take their words for it that it’s a problem.

  800. Man…is it possible that this was even better than last week’s episode? Just let this director do the remaining 13 episodes. This is the first one in a long time that had the magic of the first season. Absolutely fantastic. I hate that Cersei pulled through, but I guess I’m guilty of underestimating her. The whole KL plot this season played possum on me, sandbagged until the the finale. Very well done. So we’ve got three main factions left heading into the home stretch – Jon, Daenerys and Cersei. I love it!

  801. flintstonewielder,

    🙂

    Now that I can think a bit more clearly (and only a bit), I loved the way they showed glimpses from BoB before they even got to “Previously on Game of Thrones.”

  802. Cameryn:
    A theory:

    Tonight ends the Jaime/Cersei union for good.Once Jaime finds out what she did, after seeing her take the throne — and given the double barrage of Brienne appealing to him to do the good she knows he can and Walder Frey proving that up until now both he and Jaime have acted roughly the same — he’s going to bail on her and take up arms against her.Probably finding Brienne and going to help Jon Snow.

    I think we’ll see the Hound and Bronn join him too, which means we’re setting up for two opposing armies: Dany, the Tyrells, Martells and Greyjoy fleet from the south, and Jon, Sansa, the Northern lords, Brienne and Jaime from the North.They’ll need to come to agreement in order to unite against Cersei and then against the White Walkers… and who better to unite Dany and Jon Snow than the clever dwarf who’s met both of them.

    I like this theory as a whole but still believe Bran will figure out it was Jaime who pushed him from the tower. At least, I hope he does. I still, 6 seasons later, want him held accountable for it. I could see Jaime abandoning Cersei and heading north, only to be banished by Jon if it is revealed. I mean, how can it not be? It’s the first “tragedy” from this show and has yet to be addressed in any way (Catelyn confronting him, then releasing him aside). If banished, I could see him returning to Cersei only to end up doing her in for good. She drove him to some of his darkest deeds. I don’t expect that train to stop.

  805. Next season, I think they’ll make it look like Sansa is betraying Jon with Littlefinger, but then they’ll throw a curveball and reveal she’s been scheming against LF all along and she’ll take him out.

  806. After last week’s episode it would’ve been very easy for this episode to be a bit of an anticlimax, but instead it was a step-up in a mind-blowingly amazing finale which blew all previous season finales out of the water.

    I’ll leave my full thoughts until the Recap, but I’m just going to note a few salient points now whilst they’re still fresh.

    Incredible score from Djawadi. The opening scene was even more powerful because of his masterful work.

    I don’t begrudge the site having to write all the Curtain Calls. I’m sad to see a lot of them go, but a cast cull was necessary.

    Sam essentially did nothing thus year. I expect him to discover something huge next season.

    I appreciated the fact that they covered all of the major bases in the finale (except Brienne/The Hound). It made it a much more rounded episode.

    Definitely going to watch this a helluva lot more times this week/month/year. What an episode!

  807. Sean C.,

    That’s why I think there has to be something more to the Euron character than meets the eye. Also, while the show will likely give them perfect sailing weather, the book voyage Victorian makes, as you know, suffers through tremendous storms. And many ships are lost. So there has to be some obstacles to overcome. If Dorne and the Reach are for the Targaryens, then there are no obstacles south of the Stormlands and Crownlands.

    Otherwise, every episode will be another castle taken and another victory.

  808. GeekFurious:
    “His name is…”

    I think it was Aemon.

    Man, Ramin also killed that scene.

    I cannot stand this time travel nitpickiness. I kinda realized ever since Season 1 that time is not a straight line on this show. Storylines do not always happen sequentially as they are show unless they have to, and time does not pass equally for all storylines. I hated the GoT wiki bitching about it; it is probably my largest pet peeve. If travel time/sequential time occurred, you would have several episodes of this show make the walking scenes in TWD seem quick by comparison. Cogman was right on that, you do just have to go with it; the momentum would suck otherwise!

  809. HouseMartellBitches,

    The whole KL/sept scene was super creepy! The music was definitely part of that affect, it was chilling. I’m so glad to finally get the answer as to whether I’m supposed to root for Dany. After Cercei was crowned and then seeing all of Dany’s ships finally heading to Westeros I’m just like “Yes girrl! Go take down that evil B!”

  811. Tyrion Pimpslap,

    The question should be will Jamie fight for cersei against dany ..

    Tyrion is been preparing this invasion for two seasons now..and it suddenly dawns on him that he is going to fight against his brother ..

    Just last episode tyrion revealed why Jamie killed aerys .. Why would dany roast him even after hearing that and accepting that truth

  813. Amazing episode.

    I want a final north vs south, Jon vs Daenerys battle. I have no idea how it would work out, it probably wouldn’t, I just think that’d be so cool. Like an Aegon’s conquest mk 2, only Jon doesn’t kneel.

  814. Cersei wrote off Tommen as soon as he outlawed trial by combat. I wonder what she originally had planned for him? Maybe she’ll tell Jamie next season. Cause she was done with that pliable as clay child, as much as she may have loved him. Having him burned and spreading his ashes on the Sept? That’s hard core hatred right there. Complete disrespect. She’d basically washed her hands of him.

  815. Joey: Just let this director do the remaining 13 episodes.

    I’d be OK with that. Definitely lock him into a contract for their last two seasons. I fear his agent’s getting a lot of calls from Marvel/DC now to do a superhero movie.

  817. Chris C:
    Loved the episode. Cersei truly has went right of the deep end like never before.

    My only is with the TOJ flashback. Why is everyone saying that R+L=J is confirmed? They never gave us the R! Quite frankly, I think Jon looks more like Robert than Raygahr. Really disappointed they did not finish this storyline tonight.

    If that’s the case why would Lyanna want Ned to protect Jon from his own father? It was clear in that scene she thinks Robert would harm Jon that’s why she didn’t want him to know about the baby. I think it’s pretty much confirmed that Rhaegar (sp?) is the father.

  818. Sam,

    I think Liam was referring to the Littlefinger situation. Sansa herself seemed quite happy with Jon heading House Stark (even telling him that he should have the Lord’s Chambers) but they have to up the suspense for next year and LF is obviously going to be trying to play Sansa against Jon. However, how can he actually succeed? Sansa doesn’t trust him at this point at all, she loves Jon and sees him as a true brother and a Stark, and most of all the Hound is heading North and once he meets Sansa again I’m almost 100% he’ll promise to protect her once more and inform her of LF’s treachery against her father. So I give LF 3-5 episodes next season tops….his part in this tale is coming to a close.

  819. Pigeon:
    As for the whole tension vs Sansa and Jon, much as I’m sick of it, I think we can take their words for it that it’s a problem.

    Uh-oh. After seeing this, now I’m not so sure. I guess they’ll need to have some tension in the north next season so they’re setting this up this way. Aw, I don’t like it. Jon, just say “thank you” to her. Quick!!!

  822. Cerceis coronation was massively creepy. Her outfit made her look like an evil queen and she almost looked insane for a moment. I’m sad to see Margery go but it was an epic scene. Great cinematography. And Arya is also scaring me. It’s amazing how she seems so evil when she kills but then is so kind to others, like the actress. I suspect she won’t go home to winterfell but I can’t help hoping.

  828. Sam,

    I didn’t watch what Liam said but how would he even know what they have planned for next season
    He doesn’t

    Also, it could be that LF is going to try to play Sansa against Jon but in the ends she’s going to come back and wack him after she finds out everything he has done to her family

    It is known

  829. ThisGirlHasNoName,

    I don’t want to nitpick your thoughts, just wanted to mention that I remembered someone saying “Sorry your Grace” and leaving right before he jumped. I assume that was when he got the need that, like, everyone died.

  830. 1) arya crosses 3 names off her list. Count em off for me? (Walder, ?, ?).
    2) Not how, why did varys go back to mereen?
    3) “Badass plot for Brienne”

    1) Cersei + Qyburn saviors?
    2) Wyman can fight!!!!!?
    3) sam’s meeting with the archmaester!!!!!?

  831. Jinx47,

    I took it as R+L=J confirmed because it was R’s most trusted guards/soldiers protecting the ToJ. Why else would they be there? If the R was Robert, it would have been his soldiers, not the enemy. I think Lyanna wanted Ned to protect the baby from Robert, because J would have a strong claim to the throne.

    Sure there could be a twist, but I suspect the scene was done the way it was to leave some suspense for the casual viewers.

  832. Clob: People still just can’t get over the fact that everything isn’t happening in one hour.A day, days, a week or more can happen without being seen.Daenerys’ readiness to leave Meereen, the gathering of the Houses at Winterfell, etc., they all take time and not chronological.

    I’m totally in agreement with you. It just looks funny when it happens.

  833. <s

    Dee Stark:
    LatrineDiggerBrian,

    No I didn’t hear it from other spoilers because I don’t read spoilers at all
    I don’t really care if you believe me or not any more lol

    Dude, you got to let go of that Euron fixation. Most of us realized he was a plot device to get Yara/Theon to go to Essos. If he would not have shown up the Ironborn would not know about Dany. But he killed Balon, claimed the throne for himself and ran his mouth.
    Since Yara and Theon had to flee or be killed they decided to join Dany, taking 100 of the best ships with them
    . He may show up next season, but he was not important to be included in the finale.

  834. First post:

    Regarding time traveling Varys: quite some time must’ve passed because my boy came back with a ton of Dornish and Tyrell ships!!!

    Check the sails, all the Targ sails seem to be Mereen & Greyjoy fleet, all others have sails of flowers or spears…

    QoT is all-in on the “kill the Lannisters” game, and we all know Dorne aren’t big fans, so… wow. What an army!

    The only thing about time passing that bugs me is, if so much time has passed, gimmie some Brienne and Pod! Jamie got home, Varys and a fleet from the other side of Westeros got back to home-base…

    Starting to think if you row a boat on Planetos, time slows to a stand still. Gendry, Pod and Brienne are in the Bermuda Triangle now. Maybe it’s “The Curse of Dontos”?

  836. Chris C,

    As previously said, Robert wouldn’t kill his own child, especially by her. Two, there’s never been any hint she ever slept with Robert. He had her on such a pedestal I don’t think he would’ve have dishonored her that way. But most of all, baby’s eyes open/cut to Jon’s eyes. Identical? Yup.

  837. “Second life as a King”

    Lisse: I really think that Sansa will be Queen in the North in the end. I think one of the reasons why ToJ happened in the same episode as Jon becoming KitN was to have the – Jon isn’t Ned’s son – bit as a reminder for the viewers: one of the foundations for Jon being KitN isn’t actually true.

    So, I don’t know how it’ll happen but does anyone really think that Jon will keep Sansa’s birthright when he realizes that he’s not Ned’s son? I’d stake my money on Sansa getting it and it’ll probably be around the time she gets rid of Littlefinger.

    Thing is, Sansa isn’t exactly legitimate given she’s married to Tyrion Lannister, the Hand of Queen-claimant Daenarys

    This was actually set up quite excellently in the previous conversation, Sansa’s dislike of Davos at getting the “62 men” but also the Mormont shield last week and Lord Royce at the beginning of this scene uncomfortable about the Wildlings

    What I do think happens is, eg Sansa goes south and becomes Queen in the Riverlands, possibly over Vale as well and rules out of Harrenhall, becomes younger and more beautiful Queen in the Maggy the Frog prophecy

    Ultimately I actually reckon Arya gets Sansa,

  838. Loved Loved Loved

    ..was NOT expecting Cersie to crown herself Queen, but knew she had lost it when she was soo calm telling them to burn Tommens body..woman is feeling NOTHING now..and Jamie is DONE….I give it 3 episode next season till he kills her

    you know, if I had to choose, I would chose Baby Bear as ruler and Jon can be her champion/general/warlord..she is FIERCE
    ..having said that .. KIT in the North baby!!! and what I liked was that he didnt hate the idea..we didnt see moody brooding “what are you doing” look but he actually seemed to…want it?

    loved Dany/Tyrion scenes these last 2 episodes..can really tell the difference from when they had him marching in place waiting for Dany side story to merge and when he is actually part of the plot ..its funny how important those two have become to each others story..Dany needs him to guide her , and she gives him something to believe in

  840. Guess we’ve seen why Randyll Tarly was introduced, he’ll obviously lead the armies of the Reach on behalf of QoT now that Mace and Loras etc are gone

  841. Sansa already said that Raeghar raped and killed her aunt Lyanna. So, that info is already out there. Of course it will probably turn out that it wasn’t rape but consensual.

  843. Uh oh….will BriPod be the next Gendry and row forever? Weird not seeing them in the finale. No BwB or Hound either.

  845. ForestLight,

    She’ll slay the giant in a castle made of snow. The books are heavy on prophecies and dreams, this is one that will come to pass eventually. D&D have to stoke the fires between Jon, Sansa and LF, it just can’t be plain-sailing for them, just wouldn’t make for good TV. Let’s also remember that a certain Hound is alive, his journey with Sansa isn’t over yet.

    LF’s reactions towards Jon were cutting, Aiden was brilliant. Giving Jon the evil eye in front of Sansa made me cackle. I love the dynamic at play here.

  846. Cameryn:
    …
    I think we’ll see the Hound and Bronn join him too, which means we’re setting up for two opposing armies: Dany, the Tyrells, Martells and Greyjoy fleet from the south, and Jon, Sansa, the Northern lords, Brienne and Jaime from the North.They’ll need to come to agreement in order to unite against Cersei and then against the White Walkers… and who better to unite Dany and Jon Snow than the clever dwarf who’s met both of them.

    And that’s why D&D say only 13 more episodes… because all the chess pieces are on the board now.
    …

    ita that the pieces are in place. There’s really no need for a north-south alliance against Cersei. Dany, with Tyrells, Martells, three dragons, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, plus that navy is so overpowered that she should be able to flick a finger at Cersei in order to defeat her. Cersei can look for allies–Euron is a possibility–but even then she doesn’t have a chance in hell. It might not even come to a Dany vs Cersei confrontation; Jaime might kill her himself and hand the throne to Dany. His beloved brother is her Hand. He broke his vows and killed Aerys. He makes amends by handing the throne to Aerys’ heir.

    After that, Dany might move against the North: They did declare independence when they decided that Jon was “King.” So she heads north to get rid of “usurper’s dogs,” and ends up having to deal with the zombie apocalypse instead. I pray that there is no romance between Jon and Dany, but ya never know.

    Wild card here is Littlefinger, who is plotting something. However, that can’t last. Even Littlefinger will cease plot when faced with ice demons leading a zombie apocalypse.

  847. Sam,

    Agree that Sansa was very supportive. At first, she even looked happy at the bannerman declaring loyalty and Jon as KITN. But Littlefinger is getting under her skin. He knows how to tap into her insecurity and jealousy, and in one glance during the big meeting he stoked it. She’s being strong but he’s working on her slowly. I think eventually he’ll get under her skin and there will be conflict between Sansa and Jon because of it.

    During the scene I found myself hoping that Jon would acknowledge her role in the win and accept their pronouncement of him as KITN, but also publicly proclaim her the Lady of Winterfell. You know, share a little of the glory. I know that’s not how things are done and so does she, but that would’ve undermined LF’s efforts at least temporarily.

  850. WOWZA!! It feels like Christmas in (almost) July!!

    The wolf back on Winterfell; Sansa giving LF the hand; another Benjen scene; no more Daario; Tyrion getting his just respect from The Khaleesi (was that a little love I detected in Tyrion there?); KABOOM!; “The things we do for love” v. 2.0; the little birds’ stabby time; Sansa: I think of you [as a Stark]; Manderly!; THE KING IN THE NORTH!; Grandma T shushing the Sand Snakes; Arya beginning her list; Sam at the Citadel and the abso-fucking-lutely breathtaking library: and most of all, “Promise me, Ned!”

    Gotta watch this one a few more times for it all to sink in and to get every nuance. Man! Spectacular!

  852. trarecar,

    I actually think that was the one “human” move Cersei made. Robert, his supposed father, and his brother and sister were buried at the Sept, iirc. The Sept. was burned. By having Tommen burned and his ashes spread at what was left of the sept., she was, in essence, having him buried with his family.

  854. Pigeon,

    This is so annoying 🙁

    He thanked and acknowledged her when they were having that scene together outside.

    When will the drama end???

  856. Chuck,

    I´m a girl but I teared the whole episode!!! That cut from baby Jon to adult Jon and the expression on his face…!!!!!!!!!!!!

  858. Flayed Potatoes,

    Yeah, they won’t give us a break in worrying about Jon. There’s no drama in that I guess lol. I will say I’m just relieved they didn’t have him out and out execute her. It would have been nice if she and Jon had a little more conversation before he banished her. He did what he had to do in order to give Davos a sense of justice. Although…when you think about it Davos was fine asking Mel for help, using her to bring back Jon, even after he’s watched her burn other innocent people in the past. It’s just this one was personal for him. So, for him to call for her execution was understandable for sure, but it could also be seen as hypocritical.

  859. –

    I NEED SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO ME
    How Jon became TKItN???!
    He’s a Bastard! , he has no name and he – in the show- knows that Bran is alive!
    If Sansa gave him a name it will make a lot of sense. I love Jon really he’s my favorit
    but this??!! it doesn’t make any sense at all , the northlards were treat him so bad for his whole life because he’s a Bastard and now they gave him their swords and shout for him?!!!!
    there’re a lot of holes in this scenario :/

  860. selena,

    Yeah she obviously wanted to save him, but after he killed himself it seems she just had contempt for his “weakness”

    The other side is she mentioned Tywin and Myrcella etc, so she is presumably bitter at being prevented from going to her Funeral

    She will certainly be quite the Mad Queen now, her children are all what kept her somewhat human

    Still can’t get that Unella scene out of my mind, I’m actually curious as to whether she’ll die slowly ala the women Qyburn needed, ugh it’s so shocking to contemplate, yet thematically it makes sense, eg SRS represents defilement, so defilement of the purity of the Church/Faith, and obviously as the presumptive LC he represents the utter defilement of that Kingsguard just as Ser Barristan represented the last vestiges of its nobility, right in the same episode we have Dawn once again and how it and Ser Arthur Dayne represent the height of its honour (and Jon Snow (Stark?)

  863. Wow. On the re-watch, I recognized the first wine pourer that Bronn and Jamie jest about – it’s Arya.

  865. The Blood of Winterfell,

    I felt this way before the finale Aires as in I don’t see how he could become king in the north …. but as others who predicted this would happen have said – this happened because they followed strength and courage they follow someone who will lead them against the Great War and they believe can be a great leader for them
    They’ve thrown the rule book out the window

    It truly was epic

  866. Speaking of Dawn

    Fascinating LF mentioned “bastard born in the south”

    Obviously he isn’t a bastard (Isle of Faces marriage?) but “South” is where Jon told Mel to go, where Dawn is

    Personally wonder if we’ll have Mel stabbed with Dawn ala Nissa Nissa and that’s what turns it into Lightbringer?

  867. Dee Stark,

    Kit and Sophie also said as much in the video – that there’ gonna be some tension. Hayyy. They were probably briefed by the writers about where their stories will go after this. I guess, this is their way of agitating us, Stark fans! But I still have hope that eventually these wolves will band together to fight the real enemies.

  869. Ser Marksalot:
    Lady Snow,

    Where do you get all the music from the show?

    I’ve purchased the scores every year on ITunes for $9.99. Worth every penny!

    Loved the finale! Loved reading everyone’s comments as well. Too many to quote and comment on but so many posts made me laugh and smile. I am left completely satisfied and am actually happy I don’t have a cliffhanger that will drive me crazy for next 9 months. Happy fan here!

  870. I was really expecting a Shae appearance this season after we saw her filming last year. So was that just a misdirection by D&D or did they cut that scene out???

  873. Newbietothegame,

    You realized it because you read all the spoilers. Don’t act like you’re that smart. Euron still has a role to play, there are other ways they could’ve gotten Yara and Theon to Essos if they really wanted without introducing a major, vital character from the book series. Trust me, they didn’t have him make that speech for no reason. They easily could’ve had him say something completely different, but they went out of their way to have him tell his followers to build 1000 ships. Also, in the casting description for Euron, it said it was “a good part” so I’m sure there is much more to come for Euron.

  874. Dee Stark:
    I didn’t watch what Liam said but how would he even know what they have planned for next season
    He doesn’t

    He wouldn’t, necessarily, but the actors clearly think it’s an issue, and the show bothered to put up a video about it. Now, I’m sure they’re looking to stoke speculation as well.

    But I think Littlefinger trying to play Jon and Sansa against each other is clearly where this is headed, and while I have no doubt he’ll fail in the end, he’ll probably have some initial success along the way, or else the story wouldn’t be dramatic.

    In the end, probably, the Hound will reveal the extent of Baelish’s treachery and his role in the fall of Ned, which will be his doom.

  876. Iam still processing the episode it was such a great episode from start to end..

    After years of getting mocked for saying this iam glad we got the confirmation of the thing that cersei holds most dear is power and dany is indeed YMBQ

  877. One fucking amazing episode:
    King Snow, the False Stark – R+L=J confirmed;
    Queen Cersie, the First of Her Name;
    Arya, the Faceless Avenger (and Frey pie);
    The Tyrells & the Martells on Team Dany;
    The Valonqar glimmers his fate.

    I figured that wildfire would figure prominently in the episode but did not see the ending of all of Cersie’s enemies in one fell swoop and then the taking of the Crown.

    And bonus!!! Pycelle got offed by (essentially) Varys’ little birds.

    Again, what an episode!

    Best Finale Ever!

  878. Flayed Potatoes:
    Pigeon,

    This is so annoying ?

    He thanked and acknowledged her when they were having that scene together outside.

    When will the drama end???

    It is, rather. Give the guy a break for once. His entire life he has been given the side eye. But of course, Sophie, Kit, Liam et al could just be bs-ing. ?

  879. I think there must be a reason why TOJ and KitN declaration followed each other. Once Jon will be revealed as Lyanna’s son. Sansa might be Queen in the North.

  882. Question, did Benjin take the only horse and leave Bran and Meera? Umm… do they have another sled?

  883. ash,

    No, it’s because some of it just makes no goddamn sense whatsoever. Why would Varys strike an alliance with Dorne (in Dorne), presumably to have Dany land there upon her arrival, and then go BACK to see Dany in Meereen, then just head right back to Dorne??? The Arya, LF, Jamie thing I get, but Varys? That was a continuity mistake, plain and simple.

  884. Shadow Shifter:
    I was really expecting a Shae appearance this season after we saw her filming last year. So was that just a misdirection by D&D or did they cut that scene out???

    She was just filming an episode of Game of Whores in the same area.

  886. Does Margeary have like a million cousins on the tv show as well? The Tyrell name could still survive.

    Everything in KL was amazing. The music, the views. I desperately need to see Jaime and Cersei discussing what happened.

  888. Demon Monkey,

    Funny how both Arya and Sansa served some cold, hard revenge to Walder Frey and Ramsay, yet Sansa smiling at her abuser dying was the “start of her descent into evildom”. Arya’s satisfaction through killing WF was profound, you could see it in Maisie’s wonderful expression. Now that’s a girl that gets a kick out of every kill.

    I was cheering hard when she slit his throat, thanks for another beautiful, cathartic moment!

  891. Jack Bauer 24,

    I think it was inevitable to her at this point. We saw her becoming numb from Myrcella’s death. I don’t think she wanted him to die at all, given that she prevented him from going to the Sept, but she’s lost too much to think crying or screaming will make any difference.

  892. Why does Cersei say spread Tommen’s ashes with his father, brother, and sister? Doesn’t Qyburn know Jaime is the father?

  893. Sean C.,

    I’m a little surprised because there doesn’t seem enough time left to draw out that dynamic between Jon/Sana/LF seeing as there’s only 13 episodes left but I guess somehow they will do it

  895. Sam,

    What they said sounded more along the lines of there being residual tension from childhood which causes them to still be wary of each other , but they also said that they love each other. Ultimately I think we’ll see Littlefinger try to manipulate them both in order to gain more power for himself however he will inevitably fail and be killed, somehow, by Sansa as this has been foreshadowed. I mean… if the Hound gets there and sees LF hanging around the first thing he’ll do is dish the dirt to Sansa.

  897. ash,

    I don’t know if Jon will actually ever marry someone, but dang he could use a girlfriend :).

  898. coming back around to it on a second go, some thoughts:

    –That piano, and then later, organ (or harpsichord)/string track at the beginning is stunning, with all of them getting dressed, Margaery realizing what’s going on, holy toledo, so seamless. What a crazy great sequence.

    –Literally everything Anton Lesser does is gold on this show.

    –I at first thought Sansa was being set aside by Jon but I think it’s clear she as the lady of Winterfell made her choice to support and ally with her family against Baelish. Having Littlefinger state his intentions clearly was also chilling.

    –The High Sparrow, righteous and convinced of his own superiority to the end.

    –I did like how they did manage to get Doran’s “Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood” speech in there anyway – having Varys deliver that line was even better than having Ellaria say it.

    –Of course, natch, Cersei gets all of the evil-crowd-pleaser moments of the episode. “Shame.” Good gravy.

    –For the second season finale in a row, it’s pretty much “Death and Destruction for the world unless your name is Samwell Tarly.”

    –Once Sam entered the library I was more or less just waiting for the sorting hat to show up.

    —

  901. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Nobody said he was not coming back next season
    You’re crying about the fact that they didn’t show him in the finale and they did not need to show him in the finale

    ITS SO OBVIOUS he’s going to be back next season to go agains dany and yara

  902. How long until Jamie finds out Cersei is responsible for Tommons death?

    They knew how Tommen behaved when Marg was arrested so why no minder? It would seem Cersei expected him to die – and got all dressed before hand special and even got a crown made. Not only incest but now she is killing off her own children.

  904. Loved it.

    Yes, I think we are totally off the book planned path now in KL and I am fine with that.

    The Tower of Joy could have been more clear for fans not familiar with what all that meant. I can see some frustration and puzzled looks from many viewers.

    I was sorry to see Queen Margaery die. But I have to admit, I was cheering Cersei on. If you are going to be a villain — be a glorious villain.

    And yes, I expected Tommen to jump.

  905. Pigeon,

    Yeah. I just hope they don’t continue the trend of dumbing Jon down. His character needs to evolve. I want to see him lead more and interact with Northern lords.

  906. Dee Stark:
    The Blood of Winterfell,

    I felt this way but as others who predicted this would happen have said – this happened because the followed strength and courage the follow someone who will lead them against the Great War and they believe can be a great leader for them
    They’ve thrown the rule book out the window

    It truly was epic

    Yeah it’s actually along the lines of what Jon said to Stannis in the books, eg the Northern Clansmen won’t just follow Stannis, they have to respect him, and I suspect they were the ones who gave Mance Rayder the title “the Mance”

    (There’s also issues of Maege Mormont and Robbs Will etc)

    But in terms of this scene, go back to how Jon got Lyanna Mormont on side, it was by Davos mentioning the WW’s (consider what is directly north of Bear Island), and once again it is mention of them that leads them to her choosing Jon and everyone then following etc

    This is consistent the entire series through, from Jeor giving Jon Longclaw after saving him from Wights, we had that “Bear Island knows no King but the King in the North” in the very same scene Stannis is asking Jon to be “Lord Stark” and in the very next scene that seemed rushed at the time but makes sense now of course we actually had Jon become Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch instead

    And of course Varymyr Sixskins has it when he talked of Jon living a “second life” as a “King”

    I hope they make him the Crown!

    Once again, Sansa will go the RL and become Queen there, looking forward to the Vale vs Lannisters and Tyrells/Dornish/Dany vs Cersei from the south

    Don’t forget there was also Littlefingers “handsome young man” he gave to QoT, which is presumably Gendry who I reckon they’ll install as Lord at Storms End

  908. Simon: How long until Jamie finds out Cersei is responsible for Tommons death?

    Something tells me that, seeing her, and seeing the smoking ruins of the sept, he already instinctively knows.

  909. ygritte,

    I give Littlefinger 3-5 episodes tops next season. They won’t draw it out much. It depends on how quickly the Hound gets there.

  912. Jinx47: I thought she actually whispered Robert is going hunt him or something like that?

    She said “his name is” then the sound cut off and came back with “Robert will hunt him down, you know he will” the sound cuts off again, then the famous “Promise me, Ned”

    I felt the cutting the sound off was obviously intentional, for…reasons, presumably.

    Unclear if Bran heard the whole thing or if he just heard snippets like the audience…

  913. The Blood of Winterfell,

    Does he know that Bran is alive? I don’t remember that, but one thing is for sure, he is nowhere to be found…

    In any case, bastards have been legitimatized in Westeros before and it is exactly what Stannis offered Jon. At the end of the day it does not matter if you were a bastard, once people name you king and you accept it you are king.

  914. ygritte:
    I’m a little surprised because there doesn’t seem enough time left to draw out that dynamic between Jon/Sana/LF seeing as there’s only 13 episodes left but I guess somehow they will do it

    Yeah, like I said in an earlier post, this season is moving into position a bunch of plotlines that seem like they should resolve really quickly.

    Dany’s invasion looks like it should be a cakewalk, absent Euron having some sort of wrench to throw in.

    The Hound, Arya and Bran all seem like they should end up at Winterfell quickly (unless Arya goes to KL to cross off her list some more, but the news of Jon and Sansa retaking Winterfell and Jon being crowned should have her hiking north post-haste; maybe she can have her prophesied meeting with Mel at the toll booth at Moat Cailin), which again, seems like it should kind of resolve that plot swiftly.

    Abyss:
    Does he know that Bran is alive? I don’t remember that, but one thing is for sure, here is nowhere to be found…

    Yes, he found out from Sam, and they went on that mission in Season 4 partly to try to find him. So they know he’s north of the Wall (probably not for much longer), though not where he is or his current status.

  915. I’m still in shock about the body count tonight, though…. man…

    The High Sparrow
    Margaery
    Tommen
    Loras
    Walder Frey
    Pycelle
    Kevan Lannister
    Lance Lannister
    Mace Tyrell
    Septa Unella (if not on screen, we know it’s coming shortly)

    And I think it’s implied strongly that Daario won’t be back, just like it was implied we’ve seen the last of Jaqen H’ghar two episodes ago, so add to all this Rickon Stark, Roose, Ramsay and Walda Bolton, Osha, Hodor, Balon Greyjoy, the Blackfish, the Three Eyed Raven, Doran Martell, Myrcella Baratheon, Trystane Martell, Areo Hotah, Allister Thorne, Olly, the Waif, two of three Masters of Slaver’s Bay, the Dothraki Khals, Lady Crane and Brother Ray. Wow. What a bloody season this has been.

  917. Jack Bauer 24,

    my question as well. Even if they are close to the wall, she could barely drag him to the tree. And Benjen could have stayed and taken them right to the wall. It was more dramatic. But does it really matter? What an episode.

  918. DT,

    I think, and I’m not 100% sure but he was the grand maester, who crowns the kings etc…. he might have thrown a wrench in cersei’s plan, like tried to find another baratheon or something?

  919. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Are you for real..

    No one needs to read spoilers to know euron will not be going for meereen..
    Just having a brain will tell that..

    Just last episode yara said about euron’s intentions and dany made pact with them after that…she didn’t wait for euron because she already got the ships..

    Dany is conflict in slavers bay was over she has got dothraki and masters fleet and dragons and unsullied and just ended up demolishing slavers..
    There is no reason for another conflict here ..
    She needs to get to westeros and there she must have an foe and thats where euron comes .
    What good having him go to meereen provide ..
    Yes euron mentioning 1000 ships was basically for yara and theon to go to dany..

    You keep mentioning about 1000 ships ..how does he know about dany needing 1000 ships ..those who are in meereen don’t know about her conquering dothraki ..how does he knows..its just a figure he came up with as simple as that..

    Like I said you don’t have to read spoilers you only need to have common sense ..

  921. Simon:
    How long until Jamie finds out Cersei is responsible for Tommons death?

    They knew how Tommen behaved when Marg was arrested so why no minder? It would seem Cersei expected him to die – and got all dressed before hand special and even got a crown made. Not only incest but now she is killing off her own children.

    No she isn’t; that’s a little over the top.

    He took his own life. She has a list of countless crimes and mass murder around her neck – but not that one. She saved his life; he chose otherwise.

  922. Geralt of Rivia: Geral

    Liam seemed to be talking about the tension between Jon and Sansa in the episodes before the battle. Sansa rejected Littlefinger, supported Jon, and looked pleased when he was named King in the North. Even before that she told him he should have Ned and Cat’s room, not herself, which was pretty significant. It was a bit neat but there isn’t tension between the two now. She, however, knows that Littlefinger is still a problem. Did Lf really want Sansa to be Queen in the North? I’m not sure. He said he wants her “by his side” while he sits on the Iron Throne ie. a queen consort. Sansa being a queen in her own right, with power doesn’t really fit his fantasy.

  923. I might be the only fan of the show who didnt cheer with WF Death. Im mean, he deserved to die, but man, I do not like when people suffer. I have a Weak Heart even for bastard who deserved death

  927. Just as well the HS was removed – he was already becoming power mad. He betrayed Margaery by allowing Loras to be cut on the forehead after apparently assuring her that Loras would not be cut. When she called him on it, he had that disgusting, ever-present smirk on his face. Not at all sorry to see him go, but I did think Margaery would make it out somehow.

    Jaime wouldn’t care that Walder Frey was killed, his remark that if someone had to come in every time to recapture something for the Freys, then what did they need the Freys for … that was foreboding. If Arya hadn’t done it, somewhere down the line, Bronn would have had a little side job. With Black Walder and Lothar gone (eww, you guys got your pies) maybe Roslin will run down and free Edmure. What happened to the Tully forces, btw? Were they disbanded?

    Anybody worrying themselves about when Jaime will find out about Lancel can quiet their little heads. Lancel will be the least of Jaime’s fury now.

  928. I just re-watched the Tommen scene and it has made me so sad. This kid died of a broken heart. It just makes me hate Cersei more.

  930. ThisGirlHasNoName,

    In the books, he’s so adamant about not taking what is rightfully his siblings’. He’s that kind of guy. He may desire it deep down, but he wouldn’t take anything from his loved ones. So yeah, I was also expecting him to express some protest. But, there’s already so much going on and they can’t drag that scene too long, I guess. Plus, they seem to want to set up some tension/drama in the north after this, based on that HBO video “King in the North”. It’s gonna be one helluva learning opportunity for Jon on how to play the “game”.

  931. OMFG !!! Is “varys-on-the-ship” actually a faceless man ? i can’t believe it’s a mistake !

    So, was it a real farewell to Daario or will we see him again ? i hope we’ll never see him again

    I expect an Arya-Edmure alliance for the next season.

    And for the Tyrells, i was saying just yesterday that they could not kill Loras… I admit I was wrong but who will control the Bief after Olenna ?
    Maybe the Tarlys will take control… Or maybe Loras is wounded (the face burned) like in the books even if it seems unlikely (yes Loras is (ok, was) one of my fav character, and i don’t know why really ! ahah)

    Anyone wants to see Bronn killing the new hand of the queen (the false queen and the false hand of course) ?

    I’m sure Bran and Meera will get south of the wall on the first episode of season 7, even if they heard Benjen telling them that the wall was protected by some magic thing… Bran will forget he’s marked by the NK of course…
    That would not be the first time the show will make good books characters acting like idiots…

    That was an excellent season, we have been through all the Seven Kingdoms (forget about Casterly Rock we’ll never see it) and it was the last time we’ve been in Essos ! Farewell Daario, stay in Essos where you belong !

    Now it’s time for Westeros and only Westeros !!!!!!!

  935. King Pounce:
    Next season, I think they’ll make it look like Sansa is betraying Jon with Littlefinger, but then they’ll throw a curveball and reveal she’s been scheming against LF all along and she’ll take him out.

    I actually has this same thought tonight, in rewatching the Sansa-LF scene in the Godswood. Sansa stops him from kissing her and tells him, “That’s a pretty picture.” But she does not shut him down hard. I would have been screaming, “You’ve got to be f-ing kidding me!” Is it possible that Sansa is deliberately stringing him along? If so, I may have underestimated her. But considering what Littlefinger did to Catelyn and Ned Stark for his unrequited love of Catelyn, Sansa is playing a deadly game here.

  936. LatrineDiggerBrian:
    Newbietothegame,

    You realized it because you read all the spoilers. Don’t act like you’re that smart. Euron still has a role to play, there are other ways they could’ve gotten Yara and Theon to Essos if they really wanted without introducing a major, vital character from the book series. Trust me, they didn’t have him make that speech for no reason. They easily could’ve had him say something completely different, but they went out of their way to have him tell his followers to build 1000 ships. Also, in the casting description for Euron, it said it was “a good part” so I’m sure there is much more to come for Euron.

    I have not read the books.
    So I view him as a plot device for now.
    He may or may not show up next season.
    I am going to end this discussion.
    I refrain from arguments with book readers. Their attachments to characters they deem important and I know nothing about does not stimulate me.

  938. msd:
    Did Lf really want Sansa to be Queen in the North? I’m not sure. He said he wants her “by his side” while he sits on the Iron Throne ie. a queen consort. Sansa being a queen in her own right, with power doesn’t really fit his fantasy.

    Sansa being QitN means he can direct the power of the North through her, which is an important stepping stone to seating himself on the Iron Throne.

  939. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Step off your high horse, please. If you’re THAT spoiler-averse, and believe there’s a conspiracy of secret spoiler posts all over this website, then you should probably stay off the website.

    Tonight’s episode was phenomenal TV, along with most of the rest of the season IMO. If you find it predictable and anti-climactic, I’m sorry. I can’t begin to understand how sad it would be to have that critical of an eye on entertainment as good as this.

    You’re fully entitled to your opinion, but don’t blame your lack of enjoyment on posters who are out to get you. This site is full of people who abide by spoiler rules, and mods who are quick to address those who don’t.

  940. Geralt of Rivia:
    I think there must be a reason why TOJ and KitN declaration followed each other. Once Jon will be revealed as Lyanna’s son. Sansa might be Queen in the North.

    Sansa is never going to be Lady of Winterfell, unless Bran dies. And he might. I have always thought that GRRM would kill off Bran and Rickon and have the Stark heir be Robb’s through Jeyne Westerling. Bran lives on in Drogon I think…

    If Bran lives in the series, same result I guess. It’s not going to be Sansa.

    She might marry Jon in the end though for politics. We’ll see.

  941. Fantastic show.. fantastic season.. I give it TWO HUGE thumbs up. So sorry that its over for another 10 season. Now all I have to look forward to in football season. Ive been traveling and sick as a dog earlier today so really can’t delve too deeply tonight. Just want to get to bed and sleep. Sorry I’ve missed talking and reading all of your awesome posts. Hoping to catch up with some of you Monday.. what in the world will we talk about now for a while? Speculation I guess!!

  943. Dee Stark,

    Yup! This is the time to throw away those rules! The North finally understood they need to get behind someone who can lead them in the Great War. I mean, Cersei declared herself as the queen. Shouldn’t people look first for Baratheon family members (cousins, nephews, etc.) to succeed the IT? She also threw away the succession rules, IMO.

  945. Daario Speedwagon:
    ash,

    No, it’s because some of it just makes no goddamn sense whatsoever. Why would Varys strike an alliance with Dorne (in Dorne), presumably to have Dany land there upon her arrival, and then go BACK to see Dany in Meereen, then just head right back to Dorne??? The Arya, LF, Jamie thing I get, but Varys? That was a continuity mistake, plain and simple.

    There are Dornish ships in Danny’s fleet at the end, on second viewing, so Varys got them for Danny. To be fair, the time between the very last scene and Cersei’s crowning is not specified, so I guess it could have been weeks?

  947. Bob Warren:
    Che,

    And just when you thought that Cersei couldn’t be any more despicable….how many are still rooting for her now?

    I was rooting for her tonight. If you are going to be a villain, be a glorious one.

    Now, I will enjoy her death at the hands of Arya Stark – or Jaime. No WAY does Cersei live to burn KL in the end.

  948. Amazing Episode! Again, impeccable cinematography (Miguel Sapochinik truly knows how to work this), especially in King’s Landing buildup, and good writing too. They tied many loose ends more impatient fans have been complaining about here, and set the tone to the what will, sadly, be the last act of this series.

    I also think name Lyanna will trend as a baby name in the coming months Worldwide, for Lyanna Mormont. If I had to have another daughter, I’d certainly insist for Lyanna at least as a middle name. Bella Ramsey is terrific!

  949. Ser Marksalot,

    Benjen has been meh. I’m not buying it, then again I’m not sure what he’s supposed to be selling lol. I’m going to do a re-watch soon cause I couldn’t hear everything others heard Lyanna said to Ned, his look of surprise did make me think she might have whispered of her marriage to Rhaegar.

  950. My two favourite queens, Margaery and Sansa, were both unqueened in a single episode. 🙁

  951. Jon_Snarkgaryen:

    Starting to think if you row a boat on Planetos, time slows to a stand still. Gendry, Pod and Brienne are in the Bermuda Triangle now. Maybe it’s “The Curse of Dontos”?

    I. Am, Dying.

  953. Darkrobin,

    Come on, is there any doubt it’s Rhaegar. She said Robert would kill him and they reminded us of the scene between Sansa and Littlefinger where they talked about Rhaegar choosing Lyanna.


  954. Flayed Potatoes,

    Hell yeah was going to say the same thing you beat me to it..

    And what about troy ..

    I always knew that final scene will be like what we got in troy

    But the opening of KL scenes reminded me of Hector and Achilles getting ready for the show down.

  955. By the way, I don’t usually notice the costumes and dresses all THAT much, but I thought Cersei’s dress was especially bitchin this evening. Totally suited her role this episode.

    Great work on that dress.

  956. Sam,

    People usually throw away the succession rules when it benefits them. History is full of it. Although Cersei’s situation is helped by fact that there are literally no Baratheons left except her (by marriage).

  957. Steel_Wind: No she isn’t; that’s a little over the top.

    He took his own life. She has a list of countless crimes and mass murder around her neck – but not that one. She saved his life; he chose otherwise.

    Yea, that’s not the way Jaime is going to see it. Not at all.

  959. My gosh I hope we get to meet Howland Reed in the present. I put both my hands in the air when the Three-Eyed Raven told Bran who he was in the ToJ scene earlier this season. I’d love for Howland to be the one to tell John who he is.

  960. Jack Bauer 24: My subtitles said Robert.

    You’ve got subtitles? Wow! 🙂 Anyway, it’s clear to me Robert is definitely not the father! He’s nowhere near Lyanna when Jon was conceived. He was leading his own rebellion! Also, I don’t think Ned would remain best friends with Robert if he knew he forced himself on Lyanna and made her pregnant (which eventually led to her death). Doesn’t add up. And why would the kingsguard, the very best of them, continue to protect her? They’re there because they were ordered by their prince to do so.

    To me, the question now is how would the people (esp. those in the North) react if they learn that Jon is the bastard of Rhaegar and not Ned. (At this point, we’re assuming R+L were not married.)

  961. Lady Snow,

    Yeah it was worth it. Get it from iTunes, Pandora or Spotify, I think they also have from Amazon Music. Before, I was painstakingly converting Youtube videos into mp3 or scouring the net for the sounds but now, nah, I got the money, I’ll buy and support this show one way or another.

  962. ForestLight:
    Sam,

    What they said sounded more along the lines of there being residual tension from childhood which causes them to still be wary of each other , but they also said that they love each other. Ultimately I think we’ll see Littlefinger try to manipulate them both in order to gain more power for himself however he will inevitably fail and be killed, somehow, by Sansa as this has been foreshadowed. I mean… if the Hound gets there and sees LF hanging around the first thing he’ll do is dish the dirt to Sansa.

    I had hoped and prayed D&D would bring Sandor back, books aside, and now that he is, I totally think that part of his arc is dishing on Littlefinger’s role in Ned’s capture/death. I still think we will get Cleganebowl in some form but I don’t think that is Sandor’s only purpose. I think he will be the one to dish out Sansa’s justice.
    I mean, it would be sweet to see Sansa drive a knife in him or push him through the moon door but I also think it would be a stretch. Not that she doesn’t have killer instinct, I just don’t think the physical act of dishing the punishment fits the character.
    And I have read quite a few comments on Arya’s kill of Walder. How cold it was. Hell yeah it was cold but I don’t see her as some heartless, murder-for-hire killer. She doesn’t kill indiscriminately. Arya couldn’t kill Lady Crane because she saw what the reasoning behind it was – envy. This was a good person whose only fault was being better than another. If she was truly heartless, Arya would kill anyone without question. She has a conscience but she also knows that there are a lot of fucks who deserve the pointy end. She is the BwB, only her hit list is far more selective.

  963. Back after my double (well, one and three quarters) viewing sesh via Sky Atlantic!

    What can I say… An absolutely fucking superb episode in every respect! Kudos to B&W, Cogman, et al, for such a monumental finale to round off Season 6.

    What a great ending! ‘Black Queen’ Cersei crowned in Kings Landing and with no idea Daenerys Targaryen is on her way across the narrow sea with a 1000 ships, the Dothraki horde and 3 dragons. We know for sure now ‘shit will hit the fan’ between those two queens in the next season, not forgetting to mention the Great War in the North to come against the WW.

    Just so much good stuff happened during this episode! For me the big surprise was Arya turning up at The Twins, giving Lord Walder some Frey Pie and then to finish him off almost in the same way she did with Ser Meryn Trant… Another name off her death list! Fucking great, eh :O

    Also of course the BIG REVEAL in the Tower of Joy with Ned and Lyanna re Jon Snow, but we were pretty sure that would happen. Don’t know if I’m going a bit deaf, but didn’t hear a word she whispered to Ned – Did anyone else? Only something like ‘Promise me’ ?

    Another surprise for me was Olenna being in Dorne with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes and then Varys turning up and saying ‘Fire and Blood’. Also Cersei getting her revenge on Septa Unella and giving her to The Mountain to ‘have fun’ with. Bet he’ll enjoy that- hehe 😀

    I wonder if Melisandre will appear in the next season now that JS has expelled her from Winterfell for burning Shireen? Davos also saying he would execute her if he sees her again!

    There will be certainly a lot of Curtain Calls to be posted from this episode, but most were expected so no big surprise although I didn’t expect most of the Tyrells to get wiped out when the Sept of Baelor exploded. Was good to see the HS and his followers go up with it. What a load of fucking dickheads they were :p

    In conclusion, I can’t really complain about any of the scenes and who (or didn’t) appear in them. For me E10 neatly tied up a lot of loose ends? OK, No Hound and the BwoB or Brienee and Pod, no Euron, no Gendry (he must have rowed well off course by now) and of course no LSH who B&W decided to omit from the show years ago much to the chagrin of the book reading brigade!

    However, I think there is now enough ammunition and plenty to chew over for the next 10 months regarding what we can expect in Season 7 and beyond?

    Shit… its 5:30am here and I’m off to my sack 🙂

  964. Jack Bauer 24,

    I thought that was a little clunky. Sorry. This is as far as I can go. Good luck and I’m taking the horse…. I was going to try to figure out where exactly he left them on re-watch.

  966. Zig:
    OMFG !!! Is “varys-on-the-ship” actually a faceless man ? i can’t believe it’s a mistake !

    So, was it a real farewell to Daario or will we see him again ? i hope we’ll never see him again

    I expect an Arya-Edmure alliance for the next season.

    And for the Tyrells, i was saying just yesterday that they could not kill Loras… I admit I was wrong but who will control the Bief after Olenna ?
    Maybe the Tarlys will take control… Or maybe Loras is wounded (the face burned) like in the books even if it seems unlikely (yes Loras is (ok, was) one of my fav character, and i don’t know why really ! ahah)

    Anyone wants to see Bronn killing the new hand of the queen (the false queen and the false hand of course) ?

    I’m sure Bran and Meera will get south of the wall on the first episode of season 7, even if they heard Benjen telling them that the wall was protected by some magic thing… Bran will forget he’s marked by the NK of course…
    That would not be the first time the show will make good books characters acting like idiots…

    That was an excellent season, we have been through all the Seven Kingdoms (forget about Casterly Rock we’ll never see it) and it was the last time we’ve been in Essos ! Farewell Daario, stay in Essos where you belong !

    Now it’s time for Westeros and only Westeros !!!!!!!

    South of the Wall? They are there now.

  967. Also getting vibes that Tyrion might be falling for Daeny. When he said Daario wouldn’t be the only men to fall in love with her and that look.

  968. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Theon and Yara just arrived last episode, and they were in a hurry. Euron had 1,000 ships to build before leaving. I think it’s fair to assume he could still be at work.

  969. WOAHHHH I think I held my breath through 70 minutes!!

    OMG when I saw Lyanna Stark I literally – actually – screamed. To see the TOJ, finally, after so many years….wow.

    But goddammit D&D you completely killed my buzz with the Inside the Episode!!

    Benioff: “there’s a little bit of anger about that, a little bit of jealousy and that relationship will be crucial to watch.”

    Plus all the actors talking about how resentful Sansa still seems to be.

    Are we seriously doing a Stark civil war??? For fucks sake can this not be a thing the show tortures us with PLEASE. I know it’s the thing I totally worried about, and then I convinced myself it would never happen, and now it clearly is. The Wall’s not imminently falling. There’s plenty of time for LF/Sansa to forget about the greater threat and undermine Jon.

    Also, am I the only who actually got the vibes from Sansa that she was actually open to LF’s….seduction? It was all very uncomfortable. Because this show is the devil, I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow in the end Sansa doesn’t kill LF, even knowing what he does.

    NOOOOOOO the offseason is too long for this!!

  970. Sam,

    You are right, she never actually says his name.

    Flayed Potatoes:
    Pigeon,

    Yeah. I just hope they don’t continue the trend of dumbing Jon down. His character needs to evolve. I want to see him lead more and interact with Northern lords.

    This!! Sophie saying Jon is so naive, Kit saying Jon is unable to see Sansa’s true feelings, it looks like Jon=naive will continue till the end. Sigh!!! After all his experiences, he needs to show some signs of growth in this aspect. And surely, if the show wants to portray him as a serious contender for any throne, he will have to get some smarts on.

  971. Sam: You’ve got subtitles? Wow! Anyway, it’s clear to me Robert is definitely not the father! He’s nowhere near Lyanna when Jon was conceived. He was leading his own rebellion! Also, I don’t think Ned would remain best friends with Robert if he knew he forced himself on Lyanna and made her pregnant (which eventually led to her death). Doesn’t add up. And why would the kingsguard, the very best of them, continue to protect her? They’re there because they wereordered by their prince to do so.

    To me, the question now is how would the people (esp. those in the North) react if they learn that Jon is the bastard of Rhaegar and not Ned. (At this point, we’re assuming R+L were not married.)

    No I meant she said protect him from Robert.

  974. Lyanna: “If Robert finds out he’ll have him killed. You know he will. Promise me, Ned. You have to protect him. Promise me.”

  976. Black Raven:
    no Gendry (he must have rowed well off course by now)

    I wonder if he’s “West of Westeros” now? Maybe that is how Arya’s story line ends. He takes her to all the fantastic places he discovered while rowing…and rowing…

    Darkrobin:
    kells,

    Cersei and Jamie’s children – one was too evil, one was too good and one was just right.

    HA! Love this.

  978. I don’t care if he’s a bastard. Ned Stark’s blood runs through his veins. He’s my king, from this day until his last day.

    Oh, my freaking goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So this episode blew away every possible favorite episode I’ve ever had. Arya truly takes the cake – or pie, that is! That was just so perfectly how I wanted her storyline to play out. I feel like Arya alone would have come close to making this episode my favorite. But no! That’s not all. There were a dozen more gifts. I’m sure I can’t remember all of my favorites, but I cannot get over how much I loved:
    *Baby Bear’s epic speech – wow, wow, wow!
    *Sam at The Citadel – please cast Marwyn and the Sphinx next season!
    *Daario Left Behind – yay!
    *Tyrion as Hand of the Queen – teared up at how much this meant to him
    *Sansa sort of backing Jon – at least it is something
    *Jon’s mercy with both Mel and the northern lords
    *King in the North!
    *Tommen’s surprise ending
    *Cersei’s surprise crowning
    *Jaime’s surprise face
    *All of the Sept – so spectacular

    I will miss Margaery.

    Can Miguel direct every episode next season? The writing seemed great for this episode, as well.

    ETA: Halfman, I didn’t get to watch the episode live (on vacation) and so I was unable to post the previously on. I’m so sorry. I hope someone did!

  979. ALSOOOOOOOO i love that there was someone else in the TOJ!! I’ve always wondered that – I don’t think Lyanna would be alone.

    Is that significant?? will we ever find out who those two women are??

  980. anyone else disappointed with the Hound plot in retrospect?

    I patiently waited after “The Broken Man” to see what the payoff would be for bringing back the Hound. Huge investment in episode 7, I assumed that SOMETHING would come of it this season.

    I consider the decision to bring back the Hound a huge letdown and waste of time. For now.

    I hope they have some sort of development for the Hound, such as running into Arya, Melisandre, and Gendry. Now that would be both efficient and interesting.

    I truly hope they have some type of plot development for the Hound, such as meeting with Arya and Melisandre to create a new big 3.

    Also, I hope Melisandre riding south means she runs into Gendry.

  981. King in the North almost mirrors Robb’s moment. Boy, hope that Jon is not going to end in similiar fashion. Comments about Jon, Sansa and LF are worrying.

  984. Also, am I the only who actually got the vibes from Sansa that she was actually open to LF’s….seduction? It was all very uncomfortable. Because this show is the devil, I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow in the end Sansa doesn’t kill LF, even knowing what he does.
    Nadia,

    WE both got the same vibe and it sounds like everyone is confirming that there is a tension (even though some refuse to believe it) but I do believe that once Sansa learns that LF was complicit in Ned’s death he is going to fall off that damn ladder and come to an apt end. Given what Sansa did to Ramsay, I wouldn’t be shocked at what she might to LF.

  985. Jared:
    Guys, I’m shaking. An hour later, I’m still shaking.

    If you’ve been around WOTW, you know that I love Game of Thrones with every fiber of my being. I’m prone to excessively long comments expressing that love. But you know that I try to remain calm and rational, and try not devolving into shouting. I’m trying to do that now, but it’s hard. It’s really damn hard.

    Because I just watched “The Winds of Winter”. And granted, I’ve only seen it once. But as of this moment, I feel completely comfortable saying this.

    THAT WAS MY FAVORITE EPISODE OF THE ENTIRE SERIES.

    The opening sequence (scored to Ramin Djawadi’s absolutely stunning piece “Light of the Seven”! Arya serving Frey pies to Lord Walder, and then assassinating him!Dany leaving for Westeros! Tyrion as Hand of the Queen! Sam in Oldtown (God DAMN is it beautiful). Ellaria, Olenna and Varys forging an alliance! Jaime’s look as Cersei is crowned! Jon being declared King in the North (with an assist from Sansa and Lyanna)! Bran seeing what happened at the Tower of Joy, and Jon’s true parentage confirmed!

    All that, and so much more. I don’t cry easily. But by the end of that episode, I was in tears. Everything about it was perfect, and I couldn’t ask for anything more. I can’t wait to watch it again.

    This!! And so so much more!!

  986. I guess HS doesn’t equal HR after all…Guess I’ll have to find another crazy fan theory to latch onto during the off season. I do hope HR makes an appearance in the show at some point.

  987. kells,

    Last week people were freaking out about Sansa becoming some sort of coldblooded psychopath because she allowed Ramsay’s dogs to kill him (essentially you could say he killed himself by being such an evil person). But I was just like “haha…you think Sansa was cold for getting rid of that murdering rapist? Wait till next week and see what Arya does…” And yup…she outdid Sansa. House Frey is done.
    And yes you’re totally right the Hound is a bigger character than he seems. The Hound and Sansa’s stories are linked. They downplayed it a bit in the show because of Sophie’s age in the first couple of seasons but in the books its kind of obviously a big deal. GRRM clearly wrote them as the Beauty and the Beast love story of the series and I’m certain that will come into play next season. The Hound’s role is important not only as a potential lover to Sansa but also because he acts as an agent of her awakening in more ways than one. He prompts her to see through the BS and to value truth above all (she needs him right now doesn’t she?). The Hound is also important to Arya’s story. Together with Jaime and Brienne they form a trio of protectors for the Stark girls and that will be important going forward too.
    I have a theory that once Arya, Brienne and The Hound get back to Winterfell, Jon et al will be made aware of civil war in the South and a new queen, Daenerys, emerging with three dragons. As the main focus in the North will be on fighting the white walkers, they will have to treat with Daenerys and form an alliance with her. I think its highly possible that Sansa and Arya will be sent on this mission along with their protectors and along the way they will encounter Cersei and zombie mountain and that is where we’ll finally get Clegane Bowl.

  989. hullbert:
    So, does that lingering shot of Dawn being rested against the bed mean that Jon was born “under” a bleeding star?

    Heh, good catch!

  990. Johnny Braavos,

    Sandor is far from done. His new arc is just beginning. Beric mentioned the “north winds”, so that is where the BwB are obviously heading. He has a lot of unfinished business north and think his story will meld into Arya and possibly Sansa’s. He is tied to them in his knowledge (Littlefinger and his betrayal of Ned) and I think he will be swinging his sword in some type of Cleganebowl. I also could see him playing a part in the battle with the WW.
    In my fanfic mind, Sam will give him Heartsbane for the battle to come. He told Brienne he always wanted some vylarian steel. I want him to get it!

  991. Geralt of Rivia,

    I´m scared about Jon…do you think this foreshadows that he is going to get betrayed and killed just like Rob? I can´t really tell which way each storyline is going…Everytime I guess I miss…I thought Jon was meant to be King of Westeros but now I think it will be Dany

  992. Flayed Potatoes,

    Yeah I know thats why I was expeting dany sailing away on ships will be similar to troy..

    Mel’s line about it could have been worse ..it was what I have been saying from the beginning how dany didn’t have that childhood that Starks had ..

    And loved how kit smiled when he heard winter had arrived .

    That Mel scene with jon and Davis is like jorah scene with dany and barristan whole jorah got banished .

  995. Ooo hell yeah, was almost in tears as R+L=J was being confirmed. Even though I knew it to be true, there was a possibility that show would have teased us again or just messed with us the whole time about the theory and made him son of someone else. When you couldnt hear the name she said, I was like Oo damnit! Then hearing “Baratheon will kill him, you know it” I was like ok, ok, that kind of confirms it, then baby cries, we see baby, then it goes to Jon Snow all grown up. GREAT way to do it! Fkin awesome!

    Then Lady Mormont, I love her, def my new favorite character, putting all those lords in their place then uniting them behind Jon while calling him “King of the North!!!” (Little do they know he is a little more than just that now!) Ahhhh next season is gonna be epic, Bran is at the wall, so only a matter of time before Jon finds out who his mother and father is too, cant fkin wait! WOOO the episode did not disappoint!

    Have to wait a year for the next episode though, sad…. 🙁

  997. Great episode with not too many issues for me except for everyone being able to travel the sea and half the continent of Westeros before Brienne and Pod have made it back to Winterfell, lol.

    Question, do we know the name of the actress who played Lyanna in this episode?
    And does it makes sense that Rhaegar wanted to be married to Lyanna to fufill the prophecy with a child that was legitimate? Do you think legitimacy makes the case for her being with him willingly? Legitimacy seems like a big issue in the show and books.

    It really was a great episode! Definitely one to watch again when I’m calmer and not so emotional about some of the things that happened, lol.

  998. Its a good thing we have roughly 42 weeks until the next season of GOT. Its probably going to take that long to work through all the Curtain Calls for the actors whose characters died tonight!

  1000. By the way – GRRM did have a Stark civil war in his outline. And if I remember, Sansa was a part of it? I think it’s very possible that it’s a plot that actually does remain in the books and the show is planning to have it happen. I don’t think it’s useless hyping from all the actors, especially when Benioff is clearly saying there’s anger and jealousy there that we have to keep an eye on, and LF there to stoke the flames.

    Jon’s “we can’t fight a war amongst ourselves”….doesn’t it feel like that’s exactly what’s about to happen?

  1001. Jack Bauer 24: South of the Wall? They are there now.

    They are in the Godswood where the Brothers swear the Night’s Watch Oath, that’s right next to the Wall but it’s on the Northern side…

  1002. Jinx47,

    What? Varys was not in Dorne and Meereen at the same time. The latter scene happened after the former. Therefore, logic should dictate, Varys sailed back to Meereen after he brokered an alliance between Dorne, the Reach and Dany. The implication is that a chunk of time passed. Why is that difficult to fathom?

    Oh, and amazing episode.

  1004. On rewatch..
    Walder Frey to Jamie Lannister “…and where are the Starks now, eh?” *No One wanders by in the background*

    Sam & Gilly & Sam Jr disembarking from the wagon @ Oldtown:
    IGNORE THIS NOT SUSPICIOUSLY WRAPPED PARCEL THAT IS TOTALLY NOT A VALARYIAN STEEL SWORD I BOOSTED FROM MY DAD

  1005. AlexG,

    I think bertrayl might be on the cards and LF will be behind this. Jon is naive and LF is a player. Also Benioff said that Jon and Sansa relationship will be tense and crucial in the next season. Liam and Kit said similiar things. LF might start to plant doubts in her mind. All of this might lead Jon to believe he’s not a Stark and never will be. I don’t think he’ll die until he meet White Walkers and that will be at the end.

  1006. Jon (Targaryen) Snow will find out who his Father is on Father’s Day June 2017 and it’s gonna be an EPIC Episode

  1008. I would just like to go down on the record stating that what I just witnessed was a spectacular hour of television! The opening montage alone is some of the best scenes in the show’s entire run.

    Signed,
    Al Swearengen, falsely accused troll/hater of GOT.

  1009. dragonbringer,

    That Mel scene with jon and Davis is like jorah scene with dany and barristan whole jorah got banished

    Great point – the opening sequence with them dressing for the trial also reminded me of the opening to Dangerous Liaisons with Glenn Close and John Malkovich – well a truncated version of that.

  1010. People come on they are just hyping things up for next season.They want to create #tension but just look at what is on screen.There needs to be something for the north and jon to do before the walkers come and he meets dany so they throw in littlefinger which tbh makes for an interesting story.They can’t come out and say Sansa is going to fuck littlefinger up but I bet everything that’s whats going to happen.Everything is going to be fine between sansa and Jon.

  1011. aabe:
    It seems we were all wrong about the crown. Jaime looks like he is about to go full kingslayer mode.

    Never thought I’d like a sand-snakes scene, but Olenna Tyrell managed liven that up.

    I hate that Sansa is still undecided. She looks happy at Jon, but then sad when facing LF.

    Sam got a library!! And what a library it was! I was so happy for him.

    For the first time I felt pity for Tommen, and was actually sad when he jumped.

    Glad that the Wall did not come down. Also glad to see Bronn and Jaime surviving the Twins. Would love to see their reaction when the news of Walder’s death reaches them.

    Hoping to see some Euron/Cersei conflict next season, before we get Euron/Dany.

    Loved Tyrion getting new job and well-deserved appreciation. Fucking Finally!

    I don’t think she’s undecided, and she wasn’t sad for LF, she was worried, she knows he’s her enemy, as Jon said they will have a few, he’s one.

  1012. Sam,

    Ae…you know what Aejon not Aegon. Sounds cooler. Well, it will be interesting.¨whathe’ll do with this knowledge once he learns the truth.

  1013. ForestLight,

    Wait, what? Were you watching the same scene? She looked like she was getting caught up in it, and then at the last second she isn’t like grossed out or shut him down. She just says “it’s a pretty picture.”

    Sansa is 1000% going to come over to LF, maybe even in THAT way.

  1018. ArgonathofBraavos,

    You can see the tyrell and dornish ships in her fleet so it’s implied that he got back with them.I don’t know why people find it so hard to wrap their head around the fact that time passes lol

  1019. “I rest my case”

    Cersie and Jamie (Lannister/Waters) are The Mad King’s bastards/children

  1020. Black Raven,

    Cercei seems kind of SOL to me. She has the Lannister army and I suppose some force in Kings Landing, like the gold cloaks. But that’s it. And Dany has Dorne and the Tyrells in adoption to her army. Maybe Cercei can strike a deal with Euron, but still.

  1021. kells,

    Yes, poor kid really did love his bride, huh. And the only good part of Cercei was the love she had for her children but you can see even being faced with her youngest’s death she has grown cold and now there is absolutely nothing redeemable about her. We have a mad queen.

  1022. ForestLight,

    Not to marriage to him. No she was not pleased with that. And she had to know that that was what he wanted. All of his talk of doing something for Cat’s daughter that some bought into, now we know that that was yet another lie from Lord Baelish.

    But she may end up listening to him whispering in her ear about Jon and how she is the rightful ruler, etc. with Baelish’s goal to try to distance her from Jon with his ultimate goal being marriage once Jon is out of the way.

  1023. It is obvious that Jon’s name was going to be Aemon. There hadn’t been a Targ born named Aemon in some time, Rhaegar respected his great-great uncle Maester Aemon, and it would be fitting for Jon to have been originally named for a man that would become one of his mentors.

    I wish Lyanna Mormont was older so she could marry Jon and become the Queen in the North. She’d single-handedly take Drogon down just by glaring at him.

    Jaime killed a mad king, now he is going to take down a mad queen.

  1024. Okay, wait! I’m so freaking confused.

    George: Check, Varys borrowed Dr Who’s TARDIS and made it from Dorne to Danny’s ship in two shakes of a Lamb’s tail!!!

    WTF, right? How is he in Meereen leaving on Dany’s boat now when he left Meereen episodes ago and is in Dorne earlier this same episode? I thought Jamie was bad to be in the Riverlands and King’s Landing in the same freaking episode, but Varys is fucking ridiculous.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/iktmd7zucjk8sai/VarysBoatDany.png?dl=0
    That’s at 1:10 on the HBOGo version.

  1025. Wasn’t expecting the entire Tyrell bloodline to be wiped out…but it was a stoke of genius

  1026. ?+L=J has been confirmed. Father still can be a surprise.

    Has someone decipher Lyanna’s whispering?

  1027. Remember when I said there was still a shock waiting for us this episode?

    … I underestimated a tiny bit.

    o_O <— boggled face

  1029. Jenny,

    It was kind of silly though, I mean Varys could easily just wait in Westeros for Dany to arrive. I am convinced D & D deliberately did that just to troll with us.

    I mean it makes no sense for the Martell’s and Tyrell’s to take their armies off Westeros to link up with Dany when she’s already heading for Westeros in the first place.

  1030. Black Raven,

    Oops I think I read through your post a bit too fast as I thought you said you’d have liked to see one of those scenes you mentioned lol. But no, I really didn’t need the Hound, Brienne or Euron (would have been preferable to the Cerc/Unella one though)….just more Jon would have been nice.

  1033. Jenny,

    I don’t think it’s show manufactured tension. GRRM’s initial plan was for Sansa to be the one “with dubious loyalty.” We’ve seen that very thread come out in the show – she’s both wholly Stark and completely un-Stark. I don’t know if they’re just teasing for next season or not, but they’ve clearly planted the seeds over and over that Jon and Sansa will somehow be at odds, or that Jon doesn’t see how they could be at odds because he’s completely loyal, and she’s…..not.

  1034. Sansa apologizes to Jon and names him a true Stark, offers him the master chambers of Winterfell (symbolism), quite LITERALLY pushes Littlefinger away, smiles when he’s pronounced King in the North, says “she was so interested in making plans for the future that she didn’t pay attention to what she had” to obviously highlight her lack of hunger for power and appreciation for what she has… people still think she’s a power-hungry hater who’s out to get Jon and team up with Baelish. Sigh.

    Waiting for the millions of explanations we’ll get on Arya’s smile after cooking someone into a pie and feeding it to Frey and how that makes her not a Stark, like we heard about Sansa and the hounds. I won’t hold my breath though.

  1035. Nadia,

    That would mean that Sansa totally gives up on her family and is willing to spend the rest of her life as the only Stark in the world which….seems highly unlikely. She’s been longing to be with her family again this whole time. Granted there’s obviously some tension but I believe the writers and actors are doing this so that there’s some kind of surprise in store for us. Think about it, they’re not going to blatantly tease an upcoming major plotline. What they could well be doing is some mild misdirection. I am a firm believer that Littlefinger’s plot is coming to a close early next season and will coincide with the Hound’s arrival at Winterfell. Could it be that within the first couple of episodes we see Sansa appear to “play the game” with Littlefinger only to end up betraying him instead of Jon?
    Think about what we’ve seen from her so far. Yes she wants to be respected and heard and for her opinions to be valued but she certainly doesn’t seem to want to be the one in power at Winterfell (she protests Jon putting her in the Lord’s chamber, states he should have them and protests when he says he isn’t a Stark, she also smiles when everyone proclaims him Kitn and her smile only diminishes after she sees LF’s dark expression), and she absolutely won’t want to go back to Kingslanding and sit on the Iron Throne (especially not with a man who sold her to a rapist).
    So what is her deal? What does she want?
    She wants autonomy. The ability to control her own life. She wants to be happy in Winterfell with her family. She wants a man who will love her only for herself and care nothing for her claim. These are the things that Book Sansa wants at this point and I don’t think they’re going to suddenly make her not a give a crap about her last remaining family members just so she can claim an empty Winterfell and live in it alone. Do you?

  1036. (waves her hand) GO GET ‘EM, CERSEI!

    Bob Warren:
    Che,

    And just when you thought that Cersei couldn’t be any more despicable….how many are still rooting for her now?

  1037. kells,

    I missed the “north winds” comment in the show somehow! Thanks for pointing this out.

    I hope they don’t skim the development and just have the BwB show up at Winterfell/the Wall one day….

  1038. Poor Littlefinger. He wanted to marry Sansa as his “reward” for helping and use her claim to the North and possibly even the Riverlands, but little Lyanna Mormont had to go and throw a wrench in his plans by proclaiming Jon the King in the North.

  1040. Ginevra:
    Okay, wait!I’m so freaking confused.

    WTF, right?How is he in Meereen leaving on Dany’s boat now when he left Meereen episodes ago and is in Dorne earlier this same episode?I thought Jamie was bad to be in the Riverlands and King’s Landing in the same freaking episode, but Varys is fucking ridiculous.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/iktmd7zucjk8sai/VarysBoatDany.png?dl=0
    That’s at 1:10 on the HBOGo version.

    The Dorne scene was before the Meereen scene. He struck an alliance with Dorne and then went back to Meereen to sail with Dany.

  1042. Nadia,

    ghost of winterfell,

    I know what you guys mean. So those episodes where we’re seeing some hints of tension were really intended to put a wench between these two and it looks like it’ll continue up to the next season. Disappointed about what Benioff said but we’ll just have to trust that they know what they’re doing. Haha! (of course they do)

    And Benioff adding, “we have to be a little worried for Jon”. Don’t you dare kill my Jon again!!! 🙂

  1044. So people are nitpicking the Varys jetpack, but the biggest thing isn’t that…Varys and Dany still have never had a scene together on the show lol.

  1045. What a finale, me, my mom, and best friend loved it.
    The opening scene with that brilliant score/soundtrack from Ramin Djawadi was breathtaking.

  1046. I don’t have a problem with the travel speed, obviously progressed in between scenes.

  1047. Everyone is complaining about varys being with Dany. If you pay attention to the fleet sailing with Dany you’ll notice there are Martell ships with here, with sunspear sails. This obviously show that enough time has lapsed for the dornish fleet to join her, and I’m just gonna make an assumption that if the dornish fleet is there.. …then just maybe Varys could have used one of those ships instead of a “jetpack”.

  1048. schase,

    You act like people just pull it out of thin air, as opposed to it very clearly being set up as a potential plot for next season. The Sansa/Jon relationship is not going to be all roses. We know there will be conflict, and we know LF will try to exacerbate it.

  1050. Nadia,

    Yes. GRRM intended for Sansa to go against her Stark siblings in his original outline. I actually hope he’s abandoned it, the way he’s abandoned Jon+Arya.

  1051. Me,

    Because as far as we know, she didn’t. Gregor was standing upright to her side as the door was shut, and was making no move to be in any other position.

  1052. schase,

    People who don’t like certain characters will not like them no matter what but that’s fine, to each their own right? 🙂
    No one will complain about Arya doing that. Ever. Arya is the Starkiest Stark that ever Starked in the whole Starking world.

  1053. All rise for Cersei of House Lannister, First of Her name, Queen of the Andals and of The First Men!

    I would be mourning for my beloved roses, but I’m too psyched for the reign of Darth Cersei.

    She’s already outdone any Bond villain in that her plan actually worked.

    Yaaaaaaaaaaas queen…..

    Also, much love for Sam’s dream library.

    Sam & Gilly for co-ArchMaesters 2017!

  1054. Nadia,
    Benioff is clearly saying there’s anger and jealousy there that we have to keep an eye on

    Where are you guys seeing Benioff and the actors talking about this? I want to read about it. Thanks!

  1055. Flayed Potatoes:
    dragonbringer,

    Benioff wrote the Troy script, so it makes sense.

    He did write Troy’s script, but it was at a young age and that went through several iterations through many different people.

    However, Benioff also wrote City of Thieves and The 25th Hour, both splendid novels. He also wrote the screenplay of The 25th Hour’s movie adaptation, which is considered by many to be one of the best movies of the last decade. I’m pretty sure he’s easily one of the most respected people in the TV industry.

  1056. Nadia,

    Sam,

    Yes, Sansa was going to take Joffrey’s side but she would have been full of regrets afterwards.

    That is basically a plotline he kept.

  1057. I mean…what else is there to add to what this episode and this whole season already has! No words would do justice…

    Jon Stark Targaryen, nephew to Daenerys Targaryen, future husband of Sansa Stark (or….hell if Dany is not busy with Yara…her too), the White Wolf, King in the North and A Song Of Ice And Fire!!!!

    Come on Tyrion….become the third head…Fire And Blood!!!!

  1058. Darkrobin,

    Just watched it. I think people are way over interpreting Benioff’s statement. “Hint of conflict” does not equal Stark Civil War.

    Edited to add: It also shows that Arya’s descent into someone who can “slit a man’s throat with a smile” is also pretty worrying. People seem to think it’s awesome, but I’d love to see a more whole Arya returning to Winterfell.

  1059. KG,

    It’s pretty obvious to me that Cersei intends for the Septa to be raped. I am just glad that in this instance D & D left everything to the imagination instead of actually showing us. Less is always more.

  1060. Al Swearengen,

    Gregor’s thing was torture; remember Harrenhal and the ratbucket?

    Besides, it’s noted he neither eats, sleeps, or needs to go to the bathroom. I’m pretty sure that – as an animated corpse – nothing is “working.”

  1061. It was sad to see Dany finally sailing for Westeros and Jorah couldn’t be there after all this time 🙁

  1063. LatrineDiggerBrian:
    Darkrobin,

    I heard someone mention in passing “when Jaime and / or Cersei” becomes King. Sure Sept burning was obvious and so was Arya killing Walder Frey (though the pie eating thing was far from obvious). But Dany sailing for Westeros wasn’t, especially with Euron’s speech.

    I feel your pain. I read a few major spoilers that were presented as “predictions and speculation:” Marjory dying when sept was blown to bits and then Tommen killing himself, and Rickon and Wun Wun dying, with exact and perfect details of the scenes. No spoiler code used. I want to chat about the show with fellow fans, and yet it’s so disappointing having people spoil the fans who truly don’t want to be spoiled. I wish I could have experienced tonight’s finale not knowing that Tommen was going to commit suicide. He was a weak king, but a sweet boy. That was so sad and chilling to watch.

  1064. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
    Arthur,

    You are far too kind, Ser, I’ll keep that in mind.On that note, should part of CA fall into the ocean, and I end up with ocean-front property, you pop over and enjoy some meat and mead on the beach.

    There was a cold-open for season 1, episode 1, now that I think about it (which I was too lazy to do, until you listed the others).I agree with you about Sapochnik.It seems like that man could film a bowl of oatmeal just sitting on a table, and somehow make it so it produced goosebumps (ok, a bit hyperbolic, but you get the idea).

    I’ve been hoping for Cali to drop into the ocean since I moved to Phoenix … which is really odd because I was born and raised in San Diego. If you’re close we should definitely have a watch party sometime. I have HBO NOW and a HD TV.

  1065. Nadia,

    But we also saw a lot this episode to contradict that course of events. None of us know exactly what will happen but I’d be highly suspicious of any “hints” the actors seem to give about plots related to next season. It’s one thing to discuss themes and issues from the current storyline you’re working on and quite another to give possible clues to what will happen next season, a season they probably haven’t even seen the scripts for yet. So if they know anything about next season it’ll be through vague talks with the producers.
    That simply reeks of misdirection. Remember this time last year they were all claiming that Jon was dead and gone for good. Hold fast to your skepticism for any “clues” they drop from now on.

  1066. Flayed Potatoes:
    Pigeon,

    Yeah. I just hope they don’t continue the trend of dumbing Jon down. His character needs to evolve. I want to see him lead more and interact with Northern lords.

    Yes! I thought that with his ‘resurrection’ in battle last episode (his conscious decision not to die, to get up and fight through) that we might see more critical thinking. It’s tiresome to have characters go bumbling along time and again and not learning more caution (particularly when you’ve been mur-diddly-urdered). As said in the video, he tells Sansa to trust him….but he needs to be looking at the amount of trust he puts in her as well. They’re both incredibly naive at this point and I kind of want to clunk their heads together. Jon needs Davos as Hand, with Lyanna as Little Hand (after all, Davos is missing part of his!). That girl has more sense than most of the North combined. 🙂

    Plus, I just don’t want to get sick of any of the darn storylines.

  1067. *takes a bow for correctly predicting Tommen’s method of demise*

    His death was very close to how I would have written it, as Cersei pushing her last child to suicide one-ups her level of responsibility relative to the deaths of Joffrey and Marcela, where the deed was ultimately committed by a third party. Hat’s off to D&D and probably GRRM as well. That was good storytelling.

    Note the escalation:

    Joffrey: Both his own fault, and Cersei’s, indirectly
    Marcela: Cercie’s, indirectly
    Tommen: Cersei’s, directly

    Though TV-Cersei seems beyond screwed. She has literally no allies – she even killed a bunch of Lannisters. Who is supposed to be supporting her claim to the throne? It was clear the writers were trying to set up a white queen / black queen pairing, but the black queen has few pawns, just murdered her own bishops, has one damaged knight who is pissed as hell at her, and whose only rook is a bit of a kook and nowhere as talented as the opposing rooks. Oh, and Dany has board-smashing dragons, too.

    How much tension can the writers create with two such lop-sided forces? And with a much-diminished Euron and the complete absence of

    fAegon

    , there doesn’t seem to be much counter-weight to Dany conquering all. It’s great to finally have her set sail and all, but if it is only to dunk on Cersei’s head and run up the score, where does the drama come from?

  1068. ForestLight:
    Nadia,

    So what is her deal? What does she want?
    She wants autonomy. The ability to control her own life. She wants to be happy in Winterfell with her family. She wants a man who will love her only for herself and care nothing for her claim. These are the things that Book Sansa wants at this point and I don’t think they’re going to suddenly make her not a give a crap about her last remaining family members just so she can claim an empty Winterfell and live in it alone. Do you?

    I agree with this totally. It is a stark (ha) contrast to the girl we saw in Season 1. She even mentioned it in this episode, how all she wanted was to get out of the North as a foolish, young girl. Her travels and experiences have shown her that these “adult” games aren’t all tourney’s with handsome knights and fair maidens in finery. Her greatest fear when she got to Kings Landing was not being able to give Joffrey sons. She was oblivious to the politics because, as a well-trained Lady, her role had nothing to do with maneuvering through the bullshit and instead, being a proper Queen.
    Support your husband, continue your bloodline, etc…
    The harsh reality has hit her (and her sister) in the face with a closed fist. Of course, now there is so much instability in the north (and south) and with the WW coming, it will be a long time before there is any peace (if it ever comes) but I think Sansa doesn’t care about “ruling” anything at this point. I don’t even think she cares about being the Lady of her own keep. While her family holding what is their’s is crucial to her, I think all she wants is her name and to be happy. I think Jaime Lannisters words are a total foreshadow…(paraphrasing) Sansa would be better off leaving the intrigue and marrying a “fat face inn-keep”. I don’t think Sansa will marry again but I think she will want, eventually, to find happiness and love.
    (And no, I don’t think that will be with her half Brother. Even with him really being a cousin, I don’t think it will stop her or Arya or Bran from seeing him as a sibling. This show can stretch plenty but I don’t think these characters can turn that bond off. )

  1069. ygritte:
    Nadia,
    Benioff is clearly saying there’s anger and jealousy there that we have to keep an eye on

    Where are you guys seeing Benioff and the actors talking about this? I want to read about it. Thanks!

    Benioff mentions this in the “inside the episode” video. The link of the video of the Kit, Sophie and Liam taling about this was given by Pigeon in one of the comments earlier.

  1070. ForestLight,

    Legit. People have their character’s they love (and love to hate), but all I ask is that their hates be logical, thought out, and well articulated. If people can prove their theories with a character’s words or actions (or director/writer/actor), I’m a lot more willing to listen to them and reevaluate what I think of character.

  1071. loco73:

    Jon Stark Targaryen, nephew to Daenerys Targaryen, future husband of Sansa Stark (or….hell if Dany is not busy with Yara…her too), the White Wolf, King in the North and A Song Of Ice And Fire!!!!

    Or we could say – future husband of Lady Lyanna Mormont (when she comes of age). 🙂 That smile she gave him after declaring her liege to him. So cute. 🙂

  1072. Jack Bauer 24:
    It was sad to see Dany finally sailing for Westeros and Jorah couldn’t be there after all this time ?

    I thought so too, then reasoned that his little boat will come sailing up at some point, powered by the strength of Popeye Gendry. Or Drogon will go fetch him. Our boy Jorah isn’t done yet, even if he does have a new friend zoned partner. ?

  1073. KG,

    That’s actually a good point, it never occurred to me that his plumbing may no longer be in order lol.

    Either way, being locked in a room with him is one sadistic and cruel way to bow out. Cersei has reached Aerys levels of depravity.

  1074. Also, Sansa saying “Only a fool would trust Littlefinger”…

    Someone get poor Ned some ice for that burn. Ouch.

  1075. Sam walking into that library reminded me of that one scene in Disney’s Beauty and the Beast 😀

  1076. FWIW, in the books, Sansa is the only Stark who lost her wolf. The symbolism is that she was the Stark who had lost her pack.

    Yes, that’s where they are going with this. How far, remains to be seen.

  1078. ygritte:
    kells,

    Yes, poor kid really did love his bride, huh. And the only good part of Cercei was the love she had for her children but you can see even being faced with her youngest’s death she has grown cold and now there is absolutely nothing redeemable about her. We have a mad queen.

    And the Mountain just conveniently tip toed away like Tinkerbell from Tommen’s door…!

    ygritte:
    Nadia,
    Benioff is clearly saying there’s anger and jealousy there that we have to keep an eye on

    Where are you guys seeing Benioff and the actors talking about this? I want to read about it. Thanks!

  1079. ForestLight,

    But presumably Benioff knows what he’s talking about when he mentions anger and jealously and that we have to watch that relationship, combined with the fanning the flames that LF does so damn well.

  1080. Harry:
    Great episode!

    Going to miss Margaery / Natalie! She KNEW and those idiots WOULDNT listen. So cruel… Cersei will get all taken by the younger and more beautiful queen nextyear though!

    Only one thing felt off and it was the Arya / Walder scene. just HOW did she do that? Really?! Needed a scene to explain (or maybe they dont KNOW how) but that would have ruined the surprise.

    Also we needed to see the Sandsnakes on Dany’s ships at the end cause now it looks like Varys borrowed that jetpack of Littlefinger.

    Looks like things will go quickly in S7. Fall of the wall…. Fall of Cersei… Probably ep1 for the first and ep4 in 7 ep season of for the later.
    Only question is who will strangle her Jaime or Tyrion. Obvious favorite is Jaime with Golden Hand.

    In the spoilers for this season, they said that there was scenes filmed with a pack of wolves and a very large direwolf taking apart the Freys with Arya there as well. That would’ve taken away all the surprise if they included it.

  1081. kells,

    I think people that think Sansa wants to be Queen get that impression because at the beginning of the story that’s what she wanted. But they seem to forget that she wasn’t thinking about the associated power, she was actually just an 11 year old who wanted to marry a prince, live in a pretty southern palace, wear silk dresses and eat lemon cakes all day. She even pretty much said straight up in this ep that she doesn’t want any of that Southern crap anymore (as you pointed out). So yeah…interesting.

  1083. schase,

    Lol I’m laughing at this, because you’re ignoring that they put out an entire video of how Jon has to be worried about Sansa and you have Benioff saying it, but somehow you think those who bring it up are illogical and you only listen to those who are backed by actors and writers….ok.

  1084. I just rewatched this episode and Im as stunned and excited as I was the first time. Oh my this is good – best episode of the season, and one of the best episodes in the series! I think Im finally winding down and ready to go to sleep …..very very happy. Good nigh pleasant dreams

  1085. Sam,

    I love her I love her I love her I love her I love her to the moon and back. She is the fiercest bestest greatest character. And Sansa smiling at her, holy hell it was all kinds of great.

    brb busy planning how great it will be to name my first born Lyanna….boy OR girl 😉

  1086. So many things to go through tonight now that the episode has aired and I’ve managed to catch my breath.

    First up … Yay! My girl Maisie was listed in the credits which means she gets to do something.

    The Direwolf sigil is back on at Winterfell and that gave me a nice warm and fuzzy feeling. The one thing missing now is Ghost. Where is he???

    I was dreading the trip to Dorne so I was pleasantly surprised that it was short, sweet and full of the Queen of Thornes! I do love Lady Olenna.

    What can I say to Kings Landing except HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!

    We all knew Loras was broken so it really wasn’t a surprise that he just tucked tail and bowed down to the High Sparrow. I was wondering, though, if maybe Margaery had something up her sleeve because she was giving Mace some very strange and secretive looks.

    When Cersei was getting dressed and FrankenMountain kept Tommen from leaving the Red Keep, I knew something was going down and Cersei didn’t want her son anywhere near the Sept. When they began to off characters, I had a feeling … and I was right. First it was the old lech, Grand Maester Pycelle who was lured into Qyburn’s lab. At the same time, Cousin Lancel was being lured down into the catacombs below the Sept where we all knew Aerys Targaryen had secreted copious amounts of Wildfire. Surprise!!!!

    The body count was insanely high this week. Certainly a lot of loose ends being tied up.

    Pycelle
    Lancel
    Margaery
    Loras
    Mace
    High Sparrow
    Tommen … all of these in Kings Landing.

    At Riverrun, we get to see Arya take her own revenge by serving Walder Frey pie made of two of his sons, Black Walder and Lothar. Then she unmasks and does Walder in, as well. To which I say … Well Done, Arya, Well Done! After all, Jaime had pretty much told Walder that his alliance with the Lannisters was done.

    Non-death related Bye Byes go to Daario and BenJen!

    Back in Winterfell … Davos has, now, rivaled The Blackfish for giving a Thousand-Yard-Stare. Great work getting Mel out of the picture in the North but I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her.

    And then, the kicker … R+L=J is confirmed with the ToJ flashback. Bran now knows that Jon isn’t his half-brother, he’s a full cousin. Wonder if they’ll reveal that to Jon next year so he can meet his other cousin, Danaerys, and learn he’s a Targaryen and a Stark.

    Oldtown … Sam, Gilly and little Sam arrive at the Citadel. When they showed Sam into the library I don’t think I’ve seen him any more at a loss for words because he was so awestruck.

    Can’t get out of this without a huge shout-out to little Lady Lyanna Mormont. She’s feisty and I love her. It is because of her that Jon is name King in the North. I hope they keep a close eye on Littlefinger because, as usual, he’s up to something and it kind of spooked Sansa.

    Lots of ships … 3 dragons in the air … Dany is off to Westeros and poor Euron is gonna be left behind unless someone gives him a heads-up.

    I’ll probably see more when I watch it again, which I will do … many times.

    Absolutely stellar episode. I’m so sad that the long night has come but I’m happy I have HBO NOW so I can watch the whole thing over and over and over again.

  1087. Nadia,

    Of course that’s an element they’ve been playing with this season too…All I’m saying is that they are not going to reveal major plot points for next season, so everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt and if you really want to predict what happens next season, the best thing to do is look for clues in the things we’ve actually seen the characters themselves do and say.

  1088. Everyone is whining about “teleporting” and “plot jetpacks” when I’m sitting here like…wait, a LOT of characters ended up far away from where they were last episode?
    Oh, more time must have passed since their last scene than is made apparent”.

    People act like an episode equals a day when separate plots are on separate times and weeks could happen between episodes or scenes. Also, if they showed all the characters travelling, people would whine that they’re “wasting time” with them.

    Just enjoy the show?

  1090. ygritte:
    Pigeon,

    I was spoiled that Marge was going to die but it was tragic how she knew, felt the impending doom, and that asshole HS would not let her leave ?

    I know. I didn’t know she’d know, either. She was one of the best! ❤

  1091. ForestLight,

    I don’t think anyone here is commenting about how Sansa is power-hungry and wants to be queen. If there is, I haven’t read it. People are just reacting to what the writers and the actors said in the HBO videos. To be honest, when I watched the episode I didn’t get the vibe that Sansa was angry and jealous, etc. But, it looks like the writers will be going that way next season. To add some drama, I suppose. I love both of them (and all the Starks, for that matter) so I do hope this “conflict” they’re clearly setting up won’t last long throughout season 7. My money still is on Sansa killing LF eventually.

  1092. schase,

    I would as well. It is somewhat concerning. It is gratifying on one level for us to see revenge, but at another level you wonder what she will be like when the list is cleared.

    I thought Sophie’s and Jon’s and Liam’s interviews were more on point on the Sansa question. Granted they could be hyping things, but otherwise what will be the drama. Will Sansa listen to LF? Will she not? Hey, I don’t think it is a bad thing. Sansa is her own woman. She should first think about herself first as she said no one can protect her. Ultimately, I think she will side with Jon but she should consider all her options. It may take until mid-season

  1094. Johnny Braavos: anyone else disappointed with the Hound plot in retrospect?
    I patiently waited after “The Broken Man” to see what the payoff would be for bringing back the Hound. Huge investment in episode 7, I assumed that SOMETHING would come of it this season.
    I consider the decision to bring back the Hound a huge letdown and waste of time. For now.

    Yes, it seems odd to bring a character back and then not do something with them that season. Obviously he is important for something

    (He knows LF betrayed Ned Stark, and has an affection for Stark girls)

    , but it seems odd that whatever it is, it isn’t happening this season.

  1096. Nadia,

    Slow down there, my comment wasn’t aimed at you or your theories. Although, it’s an incredible overstatement of hyperbole to say that the whole video was how Jon should be wary of Sansa. The exact quote is there’s a “hint of jealousy and anger.” Do I think LF will manipulate that? Sure. Do I think Sansa’s going to go WW3 against the only family she has left? No chance.

  1097. Steel_Wind,

    Gods I hope it doesn’t mean

    Arya will be forced to assassinate her in order to secure WF & the North for Jon.

    That would be about as much fun as using Wildfire as body wash.

  1098. Daks:
    Everyone is whining about “teleporting” and “plot jetpacks” when I’m sitting here like…wait, a LOT of characters ended up far away from where they were last episode?
    Oh, more time must have passed since their last scene than is made apparent”.

    People act like an episode equals a day when separate plots are on separate times and weeks could happen between episodes or scenes. Also, if they showed all the characters travelling, people would whine that they’re “wasting time” with them.

    Just enjoy the show?

    An episode more or less corresponds to a few weeks. Jet packing is annoying when it seems to violate this. Varys was egregious this episode. Dorne was after Cersei’s power play, maybe by days or a week or two. So are we supposed to assume Dany’s final scene actually occurred a month or two after the rest of the episode? And Sam taking a full season (more or less a year) to make a journey, while everyone else has jetpacks and can warp similar distances in an episode or two? At some level, some consistency would be nice, but probably too much to ask for from a TV program.

  1099. Steel_Wind,

    Tbh I think the fact that she lost “Lady” was a symbol of her having to kill the false self she had created as an identity. She was so obsessed with the idea of being a proper Lady that she projected this constructed personality onto every aspect of her life, even the wild direwolf pup she bonded with. Since Lady died in the books we’ve gradually been seeing the “Lady” (the stereotypical construct) die bit by bit until at this point in the books she’s actually living the life of a bastard. Far from turning her against House Stark, Sansa’s experiences have actually made her cling more strongly to her northern roots than perhaps any other of her siblings (who’ve not been consistently living amongst southern people trying to break them). She thinks of her family and Winterfell in all of her chapters and has developed a disdain for the South and southern things. Also, one of the most beautifully written passages in all the books (in my opinion) is when Sansa experiences snow fall at the Eyrie and is overtaken by the sublime rapture of it. That whole passage was related to Sansa’s spiritual affirmation of belonging to the North.

  1100. There’s an interesting trend come up from Jon offering Sansa’s the Lords quarters

    At each stage, from how he got the Direwolf Pups for his siblings except himself, but then ended up with Ghost after “I’m not a Stark”, he has basically foregone ambition at each leg up

    Eg After saving LC Mormont he gets Longclaw thrust upon him which is individual empowerment, after turning down being Stannis’s Lord Stark of Winterfell he gets made Lord Commander by Sam + others and of course here he is made King in the North to “fight the storm” as it were

    So the “superstitious Northerners” have ended up making him the counterpoint to the Night King it would seem

    As for Sansa, from the start we have had it set up for her to take power as Queen in the RL, eg we saw Lord Edmure give up Riverrun etc

    When Lady dies, that is basically her roots in the North getting killed off and she moves onto Hounds, eg Sandor etc, and she said it in this episode herself, she’s always wanted away from Winterfell so this makes sense

  1101. Sam,

    Or are they? Lol
    They seem to want us to focus on the supposed tension between Jon and Sansa but notice they haven’t mentioned the deep mistrust and definite tension between Sansa and Littlefinger. I’m willing to bet that’ll be MUCH more significant to next season and so they’re doing some classic misdirection.

  1102. Sam:
    ForestLight,

    I don’t think anyone here is commenting about how Sansa is power-hungry and wants to be queen. If there is, I haven’t read it. People are just reacting to what the writers and the actors said in the HBO videos. To be honest, when I watched the episode I didn’t get the vibe that Sansa was angry and jealous, etc. But, it looks like the writers will be going that way next season. To add some drama, I suppose. I love both of them (and all the Starks, for that matter) so I do hope this “conflict” they’re clearly setting up won’t last long throughout season 7. My money still is on Sansa killing LF eventually.

    Ah

    Go back to the Pilot when Cat is doing Sansa’s hair

    “…I’ll get to be Queen, it’s all I’ve ever wanted”

    On top of that LF has been fanning the flames of her ambition by saying she can be Wardenness of the North etc

    In the books you have to go back to the Princess Tower “He’s a Bastard”…”He’s our Brother” so it’s been a bit clear she’s never going to like the idea of Jon usurping her perceived right

    On top of that, look at book conversation between Blackfish and Jaimie, when book Riverrun siege and and Jeyne Westerling is de-crowned, that is the end of Robbs Kingdom but he also reveals how Cats contempt to Jon Snow would mean the River Lords could never get behind Jon

    Only Rickon would be able to legitimately claim both without dissent so I wasn’t surprised that in books and show he gets killed

    The Northerners get behind someone they respect, especially the further North you go and in this case Sansa is married to the still living Tyrion Lannister so they regard her as a Lannister perhaps, the Southerners not so much, they focus on lineage with Jon being a bastard so…

    The Princess Tower in AGoT seems to foreshadow Arya will take Jons side (‘he’s our Brother”) and storms off. Further foreshadowing is Sansa’s fledgeling wargish relationship with Hounds (and Sandor) which is why that Ramsay scene was actually quite great, and there is talk about Nymeria ripping apart hunting dogs etc

    Ultimately, I reckon Jon may be put forward as an alternative Targaryen heir over all of Westeros by Dany opponents, but he’ll combine the two by doing a Joffrey and having dual Stark-Targaryen arms – “he honours his Mothers House as much as the Fathers”

  1103. Chad Brick: Johnny Braavos: anyone else disappointed with the Hound plot in retrospect?
    I patiently waited after “The Broken Man” to see what the payoff would be for bringing back the Hound. Huge investment in episode 7, I assumed that SOMETHING would come of it this season.
    I consider the decision to bring back the Hound a huge letdown and waste of time. For now.

    Yes, it seems odd to bring a character back and then not do something with them that season. Obviously he is important for something

    I also hoped the Hound and BwB would make an appearance tonight (I love the Hound), but I’m not too bummed. I thought how they were all brought back this season was necessary to set things up for next year. It gives it time to sink in.

    I don’t think it was a waste of time because we got:

    – Confirmation the Hound indeed didn’t die
    – Confirmation that he’s on his way to redemption and will likely play a good-guy role moving forward.
    – Confirmation that Arya maybe doesn’t want him dead anymore.
    – Confirmation that the BwB still exist, and still have some morals (hanging the rogue members who killed the Hound’s friends). And that the Hound is running with them for awhile.

    With all of these things now known and generally accepted, it’s not going to be quite so far-fetched and out-of-the-blue if Arya reconnects with this little posse early next season.

    Also, I still remember how he saved Sansa from being raped at Kings Landing when the crowd attacked Joffrey. So I think we can count on the Hound eventually becoming an ally to the Stark girls, and maybe bringing the Brotherhood without Banners back under a House banner – the Starks.

    I think if they tried to fit the storyline that we saw this season into next’s, it would have felt too compact, too convenient, too fast and less believable.

  1105. ygritte,

    What is she going to do against Jon next season? There are many months to speculate on that. I wouldn’t go jumping on the Stark civil war bandwagon so soon. I get more of a Cat and Robb vibe from these two myself. Not anything nefarious.

  1106. That was hands down the best episode of the entire series in my humble opinion. That absolute dread I felt during “Baelor” was replicated here a hundredfold. There were certain narrative choices this season that drove me up the wall in hindsight, but for now at least I didn’t find significant enough flaws in this one to temper my enjoyment in any way, shape, and form. The writing, the direction, the music, everything fit together seamlessly and even with a couple of leaps in logic (timing), I found this to be a tremendously gripping installment and if it possible, they should clone Miguel Sapochnik and have him direct every episode. Rewatches are in absolute order. https://goo.gl/AdSwWF

  1107. I’m not sure I understand the reason why some people are shipping Jon and Sansa. I don’t see anything there except brotherly love and protection, a big brother who maybe doesn’t fully understand how she’s now her own woman, and a little competitiveness and natural sibling jealousy on behalf of Sansa.

    Sure there’s tension, but I don’t see any sexual chemistry. Have I missed something that would say otherwise?

  1108. Jack Bauer 24: The Dorne scene was before the Meereen scene. He struck an alliance with Dorne and then went back to Meereen to sail with Dany.

    That’s fine, except that it creates a discordance in the flow of the show: We get the big Dragon Queen vs Mad Queen setup, except that the Dragon Queen scene must logically occur a month or two later than the corresponding Mad Queen scene. If that were somehow necessary to develop the story within the confines of TV limitations, I’d swallow it. But it was merely for a photo-op that most viewers would barely register, which seems a silly thing to waste such a jarring (for some kinds of fans) element on.

  1109. Nadia: I don’t think it’s show manufactured tension. GRRM’s initial plan was for Sansa to be the one “with dubious loyalty.” We’ve seen that very thread come out in the show – she’s both wholly Stark and completely un-Stark. I don’t know if they’re just teasing for next season or not, but they’ve clearly planted the seeds over and over that Jon and Sansa will somehow be at odds, or that Jon doesn’t see how they could be at odds because he’s completely loyal, and she’s…..not.

    I agree. The tension we’re now seeing has been set up from the start. The fact that these two siblings didn’t get along as children. That she dreamt of being a queen. That she always had a petulant streak. That he’s always been a do-gooder.

    My guess is

    there will continue to be tension interspersed with moments of brother/sister love and loyalty, especially if Arya shows up. They’ve all been through so much, but they’ve all been traumatized and changed in different ways. You can’t expect things to be all roses between siblings. Especially when they find out one isn’t a sibling but a cousin.

    I also suspect there will be a moment of truth for Sansa. I think she’ll eventually be at least partially swayed by LF and will get caught up in some outside-House-Stark intrigue. Then there will be one event where she has to choose – be loyal to her family or get everything she always dreamed of.

    I think she’s a complex person and hopefully she’ll make the loyal choice. If she doesn’t, I suspect that’s how she eventually dies. All speculation but putting in spoiler tags anyways 🙂

  1110. Lord Giantsbane: It is obvious that Jon’s name was going to be Aemon. There hadn’t been a Targ born named Aemon in some time, Rhaegar respected his great-great uncle Maester Aemon, and it would be fitting for Jon to have been originally named for a man that would become one of his mentors.

    I also can’t forget how much foreshadowing there was when Maester Aemon would talk about love and family to Jon. I think he knew everything.

  1111. Greetings from the UK. Up early to watch and now there’s a thousand comments here to read. Whoo Hooooo!!!!

    THE KING IN THE NORTH!!!!!!!!!! THE WHITE WOLF!!!!!!!

    ???????? ?

    What a fabulous, fabulous episode!!!

  1114. Geralt of Rivia,

    So,you believe Jon will die at the end? I always thought Sansa,Arya and Bran were the goners…Poor Jon 🙁 so much shit in his life,since he was born…never a moment´s peace 🙁

  1115. HOLY F. Just watched. Emperor Cersetine was all kinds of insanity. I am feeling like the Jaime/Cersei slowburn to implosion is finally going to have some payoff next season. Have been waiting for this rift… and it all makes sense now. Big ups to the show runners for taking their time with them (as opposed to having proper fallout much earlier as in the books)

    Ginevra,

    This was a headscratcher, indeed. I don’t know how they let that slip…

  1116. Nadia,

    Shhh. A lot of people clearly don’t want to hear that and will simply plug their ears and sing kumbaya.

    I suppose that’s understandable to some degree considering attachments to the characters, but I swear too much of this fandom is now operating completely on this assumption of some cheesy fairy-tale “It’s time for all the ‘good guys’ to team up and ROFLstomp the evil WWs! The End!’ scenario. Personally, I’ve never believed that. GRRM has always insisted that this isn’t that kind of story, and I’ve never seen it ending in a neat, simplistic way.

    The “drama” isn’t going away anytime soon, and the story is better off for it. If we are indeed getting the Dance of the Wolves, I’m actually looking forward to it–it would definitely be a strong blow to all the people saying the story has become too predictable, that’s for sure.

  1117. Dee Stark,

    I’m with you. I didn’t think we’d see Euron this episode either. I figured Dany would have a heroic finale, leaving Meereen for Westeros, and without any confrontation with the Euronborn

  1118. Ginevra,

    “A Song of Ice and Fire is told through the eyes of characters who are sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles apart from one another. Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year. With such a structure, the narrative cannot be strictly sequential; sometimes important things are happening simultaneously, a thousand leagues apart.” – A note from the books.

    Same applies to the show.

  1119. Such a perfect episode from start to finish. I will repeat what Oz said last week.

    “Miguel Sapochnik, even through all of the hype, somehow managed to do it again. Pay this guy what he wants and let him direct the rest of the series.”

    Cersei the Mad Queen.
    Dany on her way to Westeros.
    ToJ and R+L=J.
    The King in the North. Lyanna Mormont rocks!
    Arya avenging The Red Wedding.
    Tyrion the Hand of the Queen.
    So many deaths!

    Tergaryen,

    Haha, you’re welcome. Though it should have been “Fook yeah“. 🙂

  1120. Darkrobin:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    Remember he was fated to die.So she is not crying any tears … wonder if that means her white neck won’t see any hands around it

    Her crying happened off-screen 😛

  1121. Have been reading this site for a while (great place ! Kudos to all people who create it !), my first post here…

    I’m puzzled as to why everyone and their mother think that Dany’s invasion will be a cakewalk ?

    If Jamie doesn’t betray/kill Cersei, she is very strong, IMO:

    She has:
    – All of Westerlands and Lannister army headed by Jamie and Bronn (80 000, IIRC)
    – Crownlands
    – Stormlands (I assume that Cersei is technically now a Lady Paramount of Stormlands, plus lords there should hate Targaryens and Dorne)
    – Most of Riverlands (heir of Walder Frey will still support the Iron Throne)
    – Iron Islands (Euron will happily fight with Yara/Theon)
    – Vale (Queen Dany = death for Littlefinger, so he will do everything possible to stop that invasion)
    + Cersei has an opportunity to get support from many Reach lords – just promise them the currently vacant title of Lord Paramount and/or lands of the Tyrells. I’m sure a lot of them will be tempted (e.g. Randyll Tarly – he does not strike me as a very loyal and honourable guy ).
    + Another thing – how do you think the lords of 7Kingdoms will react to Dany’s arrival? Her father was the madman, worst King who ever lived. Her Hand is an “evil demon monkey”, who killed his nephew-King and his Lord-father. Her other companions are: despised eunich Varys (otherwise known as “Spider”); another foreign eunuch commanding the legion of castrated slaves; some unknown ex-slave girl; two refugees from Iron Islands, one of them infamous Theon Turncloak. To add insult to injury, Dany is brining a horde of barbaric Dothrakis, who will start pillaging and raping everything they see.

    Compared with this Army from Hell, Queen Cersei will look like Mary Mother of Jesus 🙂 I think that all Lords of Seven Kingdoms (apart from die-hard Lannister haters – North, Dorne, Tyrells) will unite behind the Iron Throne.

    So I expect that Cersei will be a hard nut to crack, and won’t be suprised if Dany’s invasion stalls or even fails. Can’t wait for Season 7 !

  1122. Bryan: Only things that bugged me were Vary and Arya’s jetpacks…unless the timelines aren’t all synced up.

    Arya did not need a jetpack. She traveled between Braavos and the Bite via ship somewhat faster than an entire army struck camp at Riverrun and marched to the Twins. I’m personally betting she had to hang around for a while, learning how to roll out a flaky crust.

    That same army then marched back to King’s Landing and appeared there before the episode ended. Did they all have jetpacks, or is that bit of “let’s cut out the boring travelogues” ok?

    Varys movement was disruptive, mostly because it went in three directions very quickly. Perhaps the establishing shots were cut in that lost minute, I don’t know, but it could have been handled better.

  1123. Ginevra,

    Don’t worry lovely, thanks for remembering me 🙂 I’m glad I didn’t miss your post, I’m spending the morning at work reading over a thousand of them lol.

    Phew, what an episode!!! Hopefully I’ll assemble some meaningful contribution later!

  1124. Nadia,

    Thanks 🙂 Now I’m again spending an off season worried for Jon’s fate. Just thankful at least this time around he’s actually alive lol. He needs to stay that way, Sanfinger I’m looking at you!

  1125. Sam,

    Excellent, there is so much to digest, I’ve been on You tube for hours now watching all the recaps etc lol. but must hang it up cause it’s way past my bedtime 🙂

  1126. Ginevra,

    Clearly a lot of time has passed since Varys arrive in Dorne and when Dany left Essos

    Why is this time travel sooooo hard for people to understand

  1127. Dee Stark,

    Everybody understands it but it takes you out of it because it’s so stupid to have Varys go back to Meereen to instantly leave again.

  1128. I’m quite convinced Sansa could come into conflict with Jon. She wasn’t exactly grinning in that scene where he was declared King. The people have faith in him and she can’t control that. Earlier Jon had shown he supported her claim by offering her the Lord/ladies chambers but the Lords in effect void their agreement by declaring fealty to Jon. The look between her and little Finger to me was one of slight disapointment on her side and an aknowledgement that he could still help her on his.
    Sansa could support Jon for a while but what if they both have different ideas about rule and disagree? LF will be there to manipulate her and use the situation. People are not usually entirely black or white in their thinking….she has affection for Jon and can see the people like him but at the same time she has started to become aware of the game and how to play it, she may still have a feeling of ambition and even a slight resentment to her ‘bastard’ brother who everyone seems to love.

  1129. tkk,

    I think he brought some ships with him
    someone said they saw the sunspear flag so I think he returned with ships

  1130. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    LatrineDiggerBrian,

    I like spoilers because I read the books. I have had an idea as to what was going on before the show even started. I liked that approach, I still thought the show was amazing even with knowing the information. So when it got to last season and this season and there was some stuff we knew would be fresh and not in the books I felt the same way I did from the start, I wanted to know in advance. The books are canon in my eyes and the show is just simply the books in visual medium. also, I like to think the majority of posters on here are able to follow such a complex show from the beginning. The majority of people can’t. They don’t understand or they miss something. By knowing spoilers I am able to catch more nuances and little details in the episode the first time I watch it. Yes, is it stupid to get the spoilers prior to the show, yeah sure. I guess. But do I want them, yes! I have read the books and waited for this for years over a decade. So I want answers to my questions as soon as I can mainly for the book story. I don’t know how others feel about spoilers but that is my reasoning.

  1131. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    Euron isn’t that major in the books so who knows which direction it goes. I am guessing it def. will end up being Euron vs Dany as some point or right away who knows. But to say euron is a major character in the book is to say Lady Stoneheart is a major character. My point is yes his presence in the books is somewhat major but he has only been in a couple chapters in the books. But to already speculate that his presence this season was a waste is a bit premature (I know you didn’t say those exact words but that is how it comes off). He was introduced clearly because he will be apart of the Game moving forward. This season was all about Dany adding to her army and actually coming to westeros, Starks vs Boltons and Cersei vs the Faith.

  1132. Lady Snow,

    I am sorry I don'[t have pity for people getting upset at spoilers. This is the damn internet, not a library in middle school. There are no rules, you should be happy that some people even cover their spoilers up. You are also checking a website that breaks more spoilers than any other website on the web. To put your trust in people you don’t know and the internet is dumb and naïve and when people complain about getting spoilers I don’t feel sorry for them especially since they are googling the damn show all the time. You don’t want spoiled and want conversation go to the watercooler!

  1133. tkk,

    Unless it wasn’t “instant.”

    Varys could have been back in Meereen for a month before Dany departed, for all we know. A time jump is implied. There’s nothing stupid about it, unless you apply the false logic that everything that happens in an episode happens in an hour or so. An odd perspective.

  1134. Nadia,

    Apologies! I hadn’t seen this one yet.

    I can definitely see how they could amp up the conflict. Sansa literally spent 2-3 seasons as a hostage to various powers because she was the “key to the North” and the true heir of Winterfell. I think Jon as King in the North will make her rethink everything that happened to her, because if she wasn’t a strategic piece in the game her suffering will seem meaningless. It must sting to be the person who convinced Jon to retake Winterfell, to fight Ramsey, to rally the Northern lords only to see them pledge allegiance to Jon. So, the more I think about it, the more I can see that internal conflict.

  1136. Lady Snow,

    Meh that sucks, sorry you had to hear about Marg and Tommen. They do a good job here, but unfortunately they can’t catch everything. I try to stay out of the posts during week, or if I do post I just look at the responses to my own post. I know it’s hard though because you want to talk about it with others.

  1137. Although I have been exclusively lurking since the early WiC days, when I do post, I always read the entire thread first. But this time, I’m skipping all the posts, because I don’t want all the petty, pickyune naysayers ruining what was, for me, the best season finale of the entire series. I thought they have shown remarkable growth in their storytelling skills this season, with such few exceptions that I can’t be bothered to harp on them. The direction (especially in the last two episodes) was stellar (kudos to D&D for securing Miguel’s services who really should be considered for as many remaining episodes as possible… he is THE perfect fit), and cinematography and special effects have been on a scale unknown to television.

    But the real reason I’m breaking lurkdom is to thank the show’s production team for finally realizing that every finale doesn’t need to be predicated upon some shocking cliffhanger. Besides being so well crafted, it was incredibly refreshing… actually felt new and different… to be gifted with such a satisfying finale. It feels so much better this way as we face the long hiatus, rather than the standard season-finale-created-solely-for-watercooler-moments. I think they’ve really matured as filmmakers and are becoming terrific storytellers. All the small criticisms aside, I couldn’t have asked for a better finale. I was seriously starting to lose interest in the show, but my passion is completely rejuvenated now. Congrats to everyone who had anything to do with this season. I wish I could thank each and every one of you individually for the 10 hours of mega quality entertainment which you’ve provided my family, friends, and me.

  1138. What a stunning episode !
    It was gorgeous (this director has pure talent; the way he composes shots is staggeringly good), the music was amazing and the story was impeccable.

    The whole opening sequence was a masterpiece : quasi- pure visual storytelling done to the perfection.

    Cersei… Oh mother ! She has officially gone feral. She will eventually die (of course) but what sort of damage she can do in the meantime intrigues me to no end.

    Olenna managed the tour de force to make Dorne bareable by not allowing the Sand Snakes to talk… Never have I been so happy !

    Daenarys is finally going to Westeros ! What a joy ! And what a large but extremely mixed crew she has. That will, I believe, be fascinating to watch unfold because all those factions she is bringing together do not necessarily have that much in common and might prove difficult to make cooperate : can Tyrion work with the Sand Snakes if he finds out they killed his beloved niece ? Can macho Dothrakis deal with female-dominated Dorne (and lady Olenna) ? Will the dragons turn everybody into shish kebabs ?

    Is it wrong that I feel kind of bad for Baelish ? I know he is a monster (in many ways) but his isolation is a trait I find very moving. His bitterness is entirely justified (he is a self-made man in a world where blood and birth mean everything while talent and intelligence are ignored) and he takes his revenge on a system he feels cheated him. As a result, he can trust no one yet there is still this bit of humanity in him that seeks companionship and Sansa is the embodiment of that to him : both the woman he wants and the daughter he has never had. It is both unfathomably creepy and intensely human.

    Oh sweet Jon ! You wonderful human being, with your moody eyes (even as a baby ^^) His reluctant approach to leadership is such a remarkable characteristic. And I could not have been happier when he was chosen as King in the North. Extremely deserved !

    Jon and Sansa… I am glad the writers want to explore the tensions within their relationship. It seems very organic and sensible.
    As a matter of fact, it even feels very “Blackwater-y” to me. In both cases, we have a battle won thanks to two people, both equally important in the ultimate outcome (Tywin/Tyrion for Blackwater; Jon/Sansa for Winterfell); in both cases, there is private acknowledgment of this fact (Cersei and Tywin admit Tyrion’s actions were a crucial factor; Jon tells Sansa the Vale won the day); yet, in both cases, only one person is publicly rewarded (Tywin gets a medal, I think; Jon gets nominated KITN).
    Perhaps I am thinking of it because this finale is when Tyrion’s talents are FINALLY given official recognition but these similarities make me think that there will come a moment when Sansa just cracks and demands to be acknowledged, like Tyrion did in the past. When she mentions that she, too, bled for her family, suffered for her house, was tortured for being a Stark and that she, too, deserves to be in the family’s history books !

  1139. Dee Stark:
    tkk,

    I think he brought some ships with him
    someone said they saw the sunspear flag so I think he returned with ships

    There were also Tyrell ships in there (Green sails) implying a time jump between Cersei’s crowning and the last scene, and also implying that by the time we catch up with Danny at the end she may in fact be relatively close to Westeros proper…

  1140. Stargaryen,

    I haven’t read the books, but it seems like he’s being built up to be a major villain in the end. He is basically the devil.

    My complaints are about people who somehow knew that Euron wouldn’t be in the finale, but that Dany would embark on her trip to Westeros. Euron could’ve been in it anyway even if he didn’t confront Dany, yet people really seemed to know that he wouldn’t.

    I really really think Euron’s fleet is going to meet Dany’s fleet right in the middle of the Narrow Sea, and there will be a big sea battle in the first episodes, otherwise it was completely pointless of them to have Euron go on that spiel about building ships.

  1141. Victoria of the ValeWonder if they’ll reveal that to Jon next year so he can meet his other cousin, Danaerys, and learn he’s a Targaryen and a Stark.

    I could be wrong on this, but I think that Dany is Jon’s aunt, as she and Rhaegar were siblings.

  1142. Stargaryen,

    Fair enough, but if there were leaks on the book, would you read them?

    And I would say a lot of people haven’t read the books but still need to look at what’s going to happen anyway.

  1143. eejazz,

    I agree. His fleet will meet Dany’s in the Narrow Sea at the beginning of next season or else the whole ship building spiel was pointless.

  1144. eejazz,

    If you really read my post, I wasn’t even complaining about that. I know full well the risk involved of reading the comments sections and that no matter how well they’re moderated, there is still about a 100% chance that I’m going to come across spoilers. It’s unavoidable when you’re in the comments section.

    My point was at people needing to know what happens beforehand. I just don’t get it.

  1146. dragonbringer,

    You’re totally ignoring his epic speech after Yara and Theon left. So they weren’t there, so his spiel about 1000 ships wasn’t just to get Yara and Theon to get Mereen. They went out of their way to have him do that speech where he told all of us followers to build him 1000 ships. Clearly, it’s still going to have a part in the story or else they could’ve easily had him not give the speech, or talk about something else. His fleet will meet Dany’s in the Narrow Sea at the beginning of next season, mark my words.

  1147. Dee Stark,

    How could people know he wouldn’t be shown in the finale, even if he wasn’t going to Mereen. They could’ve easily shown a scene with him on the Iron Islands or w/e.

  1148. Ser Marksalot,

    To me it sure seemed like Benjen had a weird look at Bran when he was talking about the spells and magic protecting the Wall, and his attitude seemed like ‘well, here you are, do what you must, the Wall will fall because of you but it is what has to happen, I’ll do whatever I can…’ He just had a look and attitude of resignation. It seems like Bran would put it all together that he’s been touched and that it breaks the protection spells as it did at the Cave. Maybe next season will address that is some clever way.

    On a side note, I’d love to see a big sea battle next season between Dany’s fleet and Euron’s fleet.

  1151. I think she said : “His name is Aegon or something like that” Robert will kill him…you know he will…you have to protect him.promise me.

  1152. LatrineDiggerBrian,

    LOGICALLY, he did not need to be shown AT ALL
    that’s what im saying.

    I said it so confidently when we had this discussion because logically, I knew it would be a waste of screen time to show a scene of euron building ships

  1153. LatrineDiggerBrian: Clearly, it’s still going to have a part in the story or else they could’ve easily had him not give the speech, or talk about something else. His fleet will meet Dany’s in the Narrow Sea at the beginning of next season, mark my words.

    omg youre too much!!!!

    Can you show me somewhere where anyone said we wouldn’t see Euron again ? LOL nobody is denying that

    he has been set up to be a major villain NEXT SEASON since he was introduced in the show, so I don’t understand what your issue is? lol

  1154. Loved the episode but personally think they could have left the QOT bit in Dorne until next year. It was an odd fit as it introduced two big inconsistencies.

    1. QOT already knew about what had happened at the Sept in KL – wow that was quick, and got to Dorne to talk about it while the dust from the explosion was still settling.

    2. Vary turned up in Dorne which introduced another continuity issue. Does he also have a teleport machine or a TARDIS?

    Otherwise wonderful first 30 minutes in KL – loved the different tone and pacing.

  1155. ArgonathofBraavos,

    But like Daario said her ships were almost ready and at that point there were no Varys around, atleast shown. I realise this is nitpicking and I don’t really even care about it, it was just one thing I found weird.

  1156. So next season it seems we will have 4 villains. Two major ones and two minor ones.
    Cersei and the Night King , Euron and Littlefinger.
    I doubt Cersei will make it past next season really.
    The Night King isnt human, no personality doesnt make a good villain…

    Euron… So far he seems like a plot device only. To get Theon / Yara there.
    It seems they dropped the ‘3 times must you marry’ thing as well as the Dragon Horn. I wonder if all he does is attack Lannisport and Oldtown and create Chaos?
    If he actually steals a Dragon. Honestly all he is at this point is a nuisance. A distraction. I feel like they neednt have introduced him at all really somehow. So he MUST do something. I doubt its something people are going to like.

    Finally Littlefinger. We know the book prophecy of the maid slaying the giant. Clearly this is going to happen. After Sandor tells Sansa the truth. Before that i am sure she ll be still conflicted somehow. Even though she seemed to firmly side with Jon in the final. Curious. Also wonder how Bran comes in when he tells the truth.

  1157. Really tired of hearing about “continuity errors” and jet packs and transporters.

    These are scenes of different places over a long period of time.

    Do we really need a graphic telling us “2 months later”…..etc.

    Or maybe Gandalf could narrate.

  1158. Would Tyrion want to avenge Myrcella’s death ?
    I’m curious about what’s going to happen with him confronting Ellaria

  1159. Russcolli: QOT already knew about what had happened at the Sept in KL – wow that was quick, and got to Dorne to talk about it while the dust from the explosion was still settling.

    It was her grandson’s trial, I’m sure the QoT was keeping tabs on what was happening in KL.

  1162. Where are the recaps? I’m dying here…Sue and Oz, help me fill the gap from now til (sob!) 9 months from now….

  1164. Outstanding episode! Brilliant from start to finish!

    I can’t believe some people are bitching about Varys being on the boat at the end… There was Martell boats in the fleet (watch again and you’ll see), it’s obvious that they met somewhere at sea (or maybe halfway in Volantis).

  1165. What an amazing episode. It brilliantly rounds off this amazing season. And of course, everything was amazing and brilliant and awesome… but ugh… the music, the fookin’ music! Oh, and the direction too – Miquel Sapochik is masterful.

  1166. Chimeny,

    I thought the music was brilliant. Minor keys and strange melodies to bring a sense of uneasiness and sadness and, and….madness.

  1167. Moka:
    Outstanding episode! Brilliant from start to finish!

    I can’t believe some people are bitching about Varys being on the boat at the end… There was Martell boats in the fleet (watch again and you’ll see), it’s obvious that they met somewhere at sea (or maybe halfway in Volantis).

    Exactly. Just because you watch the show in 69 minutes or less doesn’t mean it takes place in that time period. When drogon flies low across the water the ship on his right has the Martell flag on the sails and there were many many others mixed in the fleet along with the flags of house Greyjoy.

  1168. Sam,

    Then they’re not just non-book readers, they also didn’t catch that Rhaegar was explicitly said in the show to have “abducted” and “raped” Lyanna, making him the only candidate. They probably haven’t caught the other references to Rhaegar’s history throughout the show, either. But they are there, which makes it not a spoiler to say it’s obviously Rhaegar.

  1169. Dee Stark:
    Ginevra,

    Clearly a lot of time has passed since Varys arrive in Dorne and when Dany left Essos

    Why is this time travel sooooo hard for people to understand

    Because it is sooooooooo ridiculously uneven.

  1170. Lord of Coffee,

    Ummm excuse me? I’m not one of the fucking nitpickers bud. WTF? Sometimes I really cannot stand people. Getting all hostile for no good fucking reason. And don’t tell me “go watch big bang theory” and whatever other show you mention cause I’ve never even seen an episode of those shows. GOT is the only show I watch and if I talk on an open chat about how I expected a character to act a little differently at some point why the hell should that bother you?

  1172. Why are you so against Jon and Dany being romantically involved? I am hoping for that to happen.

  1173. I posted this on the finale recap board but it’s gone a bit dead now, so I’m re-posting it here…

    I am no one.

    I think Euron will show up to Mereen looking for Dany but will only find Daario, they will form a team. Daario didn’t like being dumped like that and Euron can be convincing.
    I also think Euron will have learned some special tricks or some certain knowledge about dragons (during his worldly travels before coming back to claim King of Ironborn) and will be able to counter their power somehow or even kill them.
    Not sure if Cersei will be around long enough for them to show up and be an alliance with her but we’ll see how that plays out.

    That look that Sansa gave LF when Jon was declared KITN was a look of ‘oh shit, now I have to fuck this guy to play the game with Jon.’ She knows that she’ll have to string LF along for a while at least and she’s not looking forward to it. Can’t she just fuck a guy that she actually likes for once? Maybe someday that might be Tyrion?

    Maybe Jon’s name is something as simple as ‘Ajon Targaryen’? Lol, maybe something a little more eloquent but I’m not sure his actual name matters, he’s a Targaryen that’s all that really matters. Although he can be burned; he burnt his hand in season one when he grabbed that lantern before he tossed it on that wight, so there’s that.

    Also, Jon and Dany might not fall in love but I do believe that Dany may want to have his child. Isn’t it the Targaryen way to keep their bloodlines strong, doesn’t matter that he’s her nephew. So that marriage would make sense.

    Arya is just fine, she’s not loosing her mind or anything. She had her game face on (pun intended) and was just focused on that task at hand. Let’s not get too worried about the exact details about how she was able to kill the Frey boys and turn them into pie before serving it to old Walder, she’s trained and has these abilities, nuff said. She won’t team up with the BWB or anything, she’s an assassin and they work alone. She may run into them but don’t think she becomes a part of the team. Her and Milesandre will run into each other and hopefully we find out some more about Gendry… he will be an important character moving forward imho.

    Thanks for listening.
    Cheers

  1174. I’d also like to hear people’s thoughts on the quote below, i haven’t seen much talk of it and I was about to post something about it when I suddenly found this post:

    Lord Giantsbane:
    Also, I can’t believe I never noticed this before, but Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all lost their mothers due to complications of giving birth. That’s some more 3 heads of the dragon symmetry.

    There has to be some connection there, right? We may just see the three of them riding dragons before it’s all over, that’d be kind a cool. Or would it be over the top?

  1175. gawdswood,

    I believe Euron will know before getting to Mereen that thundress of ships have already left there. I believe he will go to Cersei.

    I don’t know what Sansa’s play will be, but I think LF will definitely get to consider breaking away from Jon. The Hound is moving North, tho, and he knows what role LF played in her father’s capture. LF’s days are numbered unless he retreats to The Vale. I don’t think Sansa will sleep with or marry him.

    I am most stumped on Ayra. She is never going to have a normal life. I suspect she will kill all on her list who others don’t and then…. In the books I think she will find Nymeria and warg into her for good. Since she doesn’t warg on the show, I honestly think she’ll die at the end.

  1177. His name is Aemon Targaryen, named after the Dragonknight. I think Ned knew of the great importance of this child from the name alone. Having the last name Targaryen, let Ned know Lyanna and Rhaegar were married and that this kid is the heir to the Seven Kingdoms.
    Also, Rhaegar named his first two children after the conquerors of Westeros. Unless Rhaegar choose the masculine form of Visenya, Viserys, which seems unlikely since that was his younger brothers name, I think he would have chosen a strong name like the Dragonknight’s. Seems very fitting in a literary sense. Maester Aemon, who was named after the Dragonknight, mentoring a young Aemon Targaryen.
    This is all speculation of course. But we do know one thing for sure, he is: KING IN THE NORTH! KING IN THE NORTH!! KING IN THE NORTH!!!

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