Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 7 – The Broken Man – Open Chat

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Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 7 “The Broken Man”

Writer: Bryan Cogman
Director: Mark Mylod
Runtime: 51 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence
Video Preview: Full episode 7 preview on YouTube

SynopsisThe High Sparrow eyes another target. Jaime confronts a hero. Arya makes a plan. The North is reminded.

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    1. The High Sparrow Targets Lady Ollenna, Jaime confronts Black Fish, Arya tries to get out of Braavos by paying a ship captain to take her to westeros, Sansa finds out Rallying North is not going to be child’s play.

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    2. Do you think Ian McShane will be in tonights episode, or next week? Pretty short episode tonight to be able to get to him.

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    3. I think this is the episode I know the littlest about this season. I have no idea what Jaime is gonna do, what Arya’s plan is, how Jon and Sansa are going to convince anyone, what will happen in King’s Landing, etc. I’m super excited for this one.

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    4. Jon, sansa, Davos, mel, and tormund recruiting help, Jamie and black at the siege of riverrun, arya on the run from the faceless men, and some Kingslanding goodness, looks to be another solid episode of Thrones.
      Can’t bloody wait ^^

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    5. Connor,

      Lol i’m still playing it, taking my sweet time with this one.
      Enjoying every single second of blood and wine, glad your not disappointed 🙂

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    6. Dee,

      I think it’s speculation based on the preview – I thought Sansa was looking at the letter from Lyanna Mormont (the voiceover is something like “I will always be a Stark” which fits).

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    7. Flayed Potatoes,

      Can’t bloody wait!!!!
      Don’t know what i’m more excited for, the North or riverrun 🙂
      “A siege is deadly dull, I just came to see the stump of yours”

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    8. Dee:

      As a non bookreader, I am hoping that book 6 comes out soon because I won’t start reading the books till I have book six haha

      Cant belive you are a fan of the TV show and have not yet read the books.

      The first 3 books are a masterpiece. The last 2 are underwhelming, and by what we saw of the chapters of book 6 it too will be a filler fest like 4-5.

      So by all means start reading the first 3 books, and skip reading 4 and 5.

      Thats my advice.

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    9. Connor:
      I just finished The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine dlc.

      And felt empty knowing it’s the last of Geralt of Rivia’s story. When they made it look like he smiled at the camera at the end, I had a tear in my eye. :'(

      I’m downloading it now. I’m still playing the regular game + Hearts of Stone. I still haven’t finished the main quest. I hadn’t played since Jaunary and when i popped it in yesterday, i was pleasantly surprised with the new UI and map enhancements 🙂

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    10. Dee,

      Especially when they all are corrupt thiefs…. I voted for a party I hate today, because I know their candidate, he was the director of the high-school I went to, because I hate all the others more…

      God, that american guy, after the revolution, was right…. We’ll need 80 years to clean the communist mindset from the country..

      I just hope GOT helps me get over this..

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    11. I think this episode might be the last time this season we will be able to take a breath and enjoy more character building, subdued scenes…

      im looking forward to speeches and big character moments… cuz we know 8-10 are going to be ridiculous…

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    12. Mihnea:
      Very excited!!!

      This episode should make me forget about this crappy day, hopefully……

      I think this is why we love this show so much it helps us escape the trials of our everyday lives. Hope your day gets better.

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    13. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      I know … But someone told me to be completely spoiler free from the show – I should wait a bit longer. I think, now that I see this in season 6, it has to do with young Ned flashback.
      So I was at least waiting for season 6 to finish before starting book 1. Know what I mean?

      I have them all. I am just waiting.

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    14. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      I haven’t read the books either. Well, read the first 2 and didn’t enjoy them. Gave up during 3. For me the books and the show have always been two entirely different things and really should be enjoyed as such.

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    15. Came here to read some comments about what people are expecting tonight, and had the ending of a totally unrelated videogame spoiled that I’m currently savouring my way through. Thanks a million, guys. Next time, take a second to consider others, and take it to the relevant channels.

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    16. The synopsis on DirecTV doesn’t say “The North is reminded” (altho it did for while), it now says: “Memories are awakened in the North”

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    17. I wonder how they are going to fit the entire recruitment campaign in one episode (which happens to be a short one). Maybe we’ll get some more scenes in episode 8…idk.

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    18. MiaMoon,

      It still could… But I doubt it.

      Note to everyone, if your goverment/parlament, wants to have elections in a single round…get in the streets. Enough politics from me!
      My head hurts enough as it is..

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    19. I am already preparing my rewind button for when Ian gives the broken man speech.
      Bryan is the master of adapting GRRMs best monologues – Tyrion’s trial, Jaime’s bath….

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    20. Dee,

      Just wait for WOW, if it comes out, you will have at least as much of the story as you can get.
      No point in starting now and never finishing it.

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    21. I wonder if the logo in the opening intro will change (from the Baratheon stag to the Faith Militant logo).

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    22. Cian,

      Oh come on, he didn’t spoil anything story related.

      And I’m just like you, just started the DLC. If anything he motivated me to finish it quicker.

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    23. Flayed Potatoes:
      I wonder how they are going to fit the entire recruitment campaign in one episode (which happens to be a short one). Maybe we’ll get some more scenes in episode 8…idk.

      Littlefinger left his jet-pack in Mole`s town.

      At some point Jon will want to know where did Sansa get this rocket propelled jet pack and when she tells him all hell breaks loose leading to a wresteling match on Bear island between them two.

      #thewayitgoesdowntonight

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    24. Mihnea,

      He spoiled what I’m guessing is one of the final shots, or THE final shot. In a series spanning seven books and three games, that’s quite a significant thing to just give away without warning, considering its supposed poignancy.

      This is all without mentioning the fact that it has nothing to do with GoT, much less tonight’s episode.

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    25. Today will be the first time I stay awake till 3 in the morning to watch a new GoT episode. It better be worth it. I know the last one would have been.

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    26. mrspeel,

      Ooooo…I like that much better! I’m a bit annoyed, though. I went to check the synopsis on Comcast, because sometimes it’s a bit different, too, but I had to unplug my cable box last night to correct the signal, and for some reason the guide still hasn’t finished repopulating, so it doesn’t even say GoT is on at 6, it only says, “to be announced.” 🙁

      I’m quite interested to see how they handle the various scenes in the RL. Thanks to Flayed Potatoes for mentioning trebuchets. Getting that tidbit would be a great touch (no biggie if we don’t, but it sure would make me grin like a fool if we did…staying intentionally vague for Dee and other Unsullied).

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    27. Dee,

      I think you should just wait until Season 8 is over. It’s only 2 more years! And you’ll probably enjoy the show a bit less once you’ve read the books. Or at least, you’re enjoying it now so much, so why risk it? 🙂

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    28. I’m pretty pumped for a return to the Riverlands. After the North/beyond the Wall, it’s the location that’s of the most interest to me and I’m kind of sad the show hasn’t been there in a long time. I’ll be curious to see if the Jamie/Blackfish/Edmure stuff will match really closely with the books, or if it will be changed. It might not be the most widely shared opinion, but the AFFC Jaime chapters are some of my favorites in the series and I’m glad the show is finally adapting them.

      maybe we’ll get a Brienne reunion next week!

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    29. Yeah looking forward to this. Ian mcshane wouldn’t have taken the role of his monologue wasn’t good. Bryan Cogman has written some of my favorite Game of Thrones scenes.

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    30. Dee,

      You might as well wait until Book 7 is out so you don’t have to wait five to seven years for that to happen. Book 6 won’t be out this year and maybe not even next year. Based on the trajectory of the last few books, book 7 won’t be out until 2024 or 2025.

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    31. QueenofThrones,

      That is a very good point. I’m a little anxious but it would be a great post GOT way to stay connect with ASOIAF.

      Eman,

      Ah! I’ll still be young enough to feel like reading that many books 🙂 hahaha

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    32. Eman,

      ADOS will never be out, and if it will, it won’t be the last book.

      I am really doubting Martin can end the story in 2 more books. At least not, if he keeps writing the same way he did AFFC/ADWD…..and the WOW chapters we have didn’t reasure me at all.

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    33. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Im finishing book three.. well been trying to finish it and from what I’ve been hearing not sure if I want to even get books 4&5?? Heard a bunch of folk saying they are really dry and hard to get through? Maybe reading them as recommended on here? I mean the chapter lists?

      What say everyone? Read books 4 & 5 like as recommended or just read them normally?

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    34. Pigeon,

      Yes, because contrary to what Mace Tyrell’s underwhelming speeches suggest, madness has not yet had it’s day !

      I hope this week will be exciting.

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    35. Just a reminder to everyone: please read the warnings up top about spoilers and spoiler coding. Even the regulars- especially, you guys. If your speculation is heavily based on filming spoilers, you’ve got to cover that.

      And please don’t post ANY leaked materials in here. Thanks.

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    36. Ice Spider,

      Read them as the author intended. The fan-made order spoils some stuff.

      Just lower your expectations a bit. And prepare for tons of world-building, lots of minor pointless POV/character, and 2 books that have no ending, they both end on cliffhanger.

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    37. Ice Spider:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Im finishing book three.. well been trying to finish it and from what I’ve been hearing not sure if I want to even get books 4&5?? Heard a bunch of folk saying they are really dry and hard to get through? Maybe reading them as recommended on here? I mean the chapter lists?

      What say everyone? Read books 4 & 5 like as recommended or just read them normally?

      I’d be interested in reading the re-arranged chapter list that fans have compiled; I read them as they were released and it was nightmarish. I read both volumes of Book 3 in a couple of days and yet it took months to get through AFFC and ADWD.

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    38. Mihnea:
      Ice Spider,

      Hmm ok.. Im like Dee.. I try to remain relatively spoilery free but somethings I don’t mind knowing..speculation is always welcome bc it’s not KNOWN facts.. but if someone had leaked the whole

      Hodor death before he died

      then I would have been mad as hell.. lol

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    39. Mihnea:
      Ice Spider,

      Read them as the author intended. The fan-made order spoils some stuff.

      Just lower your expectations a bit. And prepare for tons of world-building, lots of minor pointless POV/character, and 2 books that have no ending, they both end on cliffhanger.

      Ok.. will do. Thanks.. that’s going to be my summer diversion from the withdrawals I will be having from no show.. can anyone recommend a good psychiatrist for when this show ends? Im going to need therapy.

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    40. Ice Spider,

      Romania. Weirdly enough, despite all my anger, things still go in the ”right” direction…… but slow, really freaking slow…
      The European Union has praised as numerous times.
      Every step foward we make, we need to make sure not to take 2 back after.

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    41. QueenofThrones:
      Ice Spider,

      I wouldn’t waste your money on them, personally!?

      I may just borrow someones then … lol or go to the library? I do want to read them so that I won’t miss stuff but I’m very afraid bc of the things Ive heard about them…

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    42. The more and more I have thought about it this week I keep coming to one conclusion. Cersei will be the cause of Tommen’s death by 1 of 2 ways. When thinking about this I kept thinking back to the Flashback of Maggy where she said:
      Cersei: When will I wed the prince?
      Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.
      Cersei: I will be queen, though?
      Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be… until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear
      This led me to these thoughts for this week maybe next week’s EP we will get set-up for the TBC and this is how it plays out, I might be wrong about this but I don’t think I’m wrong Cersei will be the cause of Tommens death.
      1. Trial by Combat, Cersei chooses the Mountain and Faith chooses Tommen, this scenario makes since as it would play into Margery and Olenna’s plot to take over the Throne, (and yes I believe Margery is playing for this plot) if Tommen is killed off then the Tyrels have the throne. (show not book)
      2. Trial by Combat and the Mountain looses, they come for her and she has Qyburn unleash the Wildfire killing Tommen who is in the Sept at the time.
      Both of these ways of Tommen dying would fulfill Maggy’s prophecy as both books and show cannon.
      Book Spoilers beyond this point so view at your own risk. I also believe we will get one more flashback to Maggy and in it will be this:
      Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
      Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said.

      And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

      With Tyrion placed in the show in Essos it would also mean Jamie would have to be the Valonqar. I believe especially with this episode coming up or maybe the next Jamie and Brienne reunite and Brienne

      as in the books tells Jamie she has found Sansa (Some bantering maybe a few scenes later even we hear Jamie say to Brienne from “Storm of Swords: “I have made kings and unmade them. Sansa Stark is my last chance for honor”

      This will be the start of Jamie’s redemption arc ending with him finding his sister gone mad just killing people possibly children

      and Jamie chokes the life from her.

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    43. Dee,

      Everyone is recommending you to wait a bit more, and maybe that is a good idea until the end of season 6 (because in some areas, the show still hasn’t caught up to the books), but I wouldn’t wait much beyond that.
      Personally, I draw great satisfaction from all the informed speculation that the books allow me because I have a greater knowledge of background events and such. Speculation based on the books is the greatest thing for me and I love the series and its creative interpretation of all that material more for it. (I started the books after season 2, btw.)

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    44. Mihnea:
      Ice Spider,

      Romania. Weirdly enough, despite all my anger, things still go in the ”right” direction…… but slow, really freaking slow…
      The European Union has praised as numerous times.
      Every step foward we make, we need to make sure not to take 2 back after.

      I am an avid history buff but honestly don’t know much on Romania. I have a degree in African Studies and studied the Middle East along with African studies.. I will have to do a brush up on Romania though… thanks for the info. 😉

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    45. So cool to see The Blackfish tonight. And Jon/Sansa/Davos rallying the North. And maybe Ian McShane? I may burst.

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    46. Valaquen: I’d be interested in reading the re-arranged chapter list that fans have compiled; I read them as they were released and it was nightmarish. I read both volumes of Book 3 in a couple of days and yet it took months to get through AFFC and ADWD.

      YES.. that is what Im hearing.. I whizzed through the first two and the majority of book three but the season started and so that kinda put the book on the back burner till season is over… life and raising children take precedence over reading right now… lol but thanks for your take on it..appreciated.

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    47. QueenofThrones:
      Dee,

      I think you should just wait until Season 8 is over.It’s only 2 more years!And you’ll probably enjoy the show a bit less once you’ve read the books.Or at least, you’re enjoying it now so much, so why risk it?

      Adding to edit my prior comment. I read the first 2 and ½ books before the show aired and disliked them. Then watched all 5 seasons last year and loved the show. Bought books 4+5 and have mostly read the lot of the series. And I still don’t like the books but I love the show. I’m one of those readers who don’t find GRRM to be a great story teller. He is a great world builder though, but his characters are often – imo – cartoonish or clichéed and he is also quite long winded, boring. Game of Thrones on the other hand… love it.

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    48. For those who are feeling discouraged by the released TWOW chapters, those are all or mostly pages that were held back from ADWD. I’m not saying Winds won’t be meandering. It might be. I’m just saying, no point in pre-judging it based on the teaser chapters.

      Although unlike most people here, I liked Feast and Dance, so YMMV.

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    49. Re Books

      Book 4 is worth the read if only for Cersei chapters. There’s something hilarious reading her condescending views on anyone and everyone. Most other chapters are good too. Brienne’s chapters are the absolute worst though, an endless snoozefest describing her pointless journey with ever changing list of absolutely boring companions. Even Podrick Payne is unbearable.

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    50. I tried to hide this as potential spoilers so if it’s not please let me know and/or delete it. Thanks.

      I don’t see another episode that Ian Macshane could appear in especially if he’s a one off. And with Swearengen you should expect a lot of Fs and CS’ers throughout the Broken Man monologue. And if it is the BS speech then you should expect the return of The Hound. Also expect that Cersei and Olenna talk to end on a sour note between them.

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    51. As far as reading books 4 and 5, there are some good parts of those books. I’d also think, having the advantage of knowing some of the characters readers meet for the first time in books 4&5, it may be more interesting/less confusing than going into them cold. Moreover, there’s also the advantage of already knowing, at least to some extent, what happens to some of the characters because of the show, so the maddening, “why are we getting all these new characters when what we really want to know is what’s going on with all the characters we’re already invested in who are pretty much completely left out of book 4,” won’t be as much of an issue, either.

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    52. So we know Jaime will talk to BFish since it’s in the freakin’ trailer. But what if he’s not the “hero” the tagline’s talking about? After all is BFish really a much of a hero?

      In the books,

      the dude kicked all the smallfolk out of Riverrun to save food and supplies for his army, and left his nephew for dead.

      And for the show he hasn’t had much to do one way or the other.

      What if Brienne is the “hero” that Jaime “confronts”?

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    53. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      As far as reading books 4 and 5, there are some good parts of those books.I’d also think, having the advantage of knowing some of the characters readers meet for the first time in books 4&5, it may be more interesting/less confusing than going into them cold.Moreover, there’s also the advantage of already knowing, at least to some extent, what happens to some of the characters because of the show, so the maddening, “why are we getting all these new characters when what we really want to know is what’s going on with all the characters we’re already invested in who are pretty much completely left out of book 4,” won’t be as much of an issue, either.

      Yeah.. that is why I do want to read them.. just wasn’t sure if I should read them as the author wrote or by the recommended way that was talked about on here a few months back (maybe over break?). Anyway I will read them.. just not high on my priority list at this exact time.. the SHOW on the other hand takes precedence over almost anything but life itself.. lol.

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    54. Mihnea,

      It’s fantastic. The whole new region is amazing.

      Jack Bauer 24: I’m downloading it now. I’m still playing the regular game + Hearts of Stone. I still haven’t finished the main quest. I hadn’t played since Jaunary and when i popped it in yesterday, i was pleasantly surprised with the new UI and map enhancements

      I beat the main story 3 times lol, the next two times i finished it on new game plus. I loved Hearts of Stone, such a great story too. A sad one as well, with some tough bosses, like the Caretaker, took me 30 times to beat him lmao. And Blood and Wine is great! Love the new region, its big. It’s a vampire story as well, and it has 3 endings. One good, one bad and the other one good/bad.

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    55. BranTheBlessed:
      Re Books

      Exact opposite opinion on everything you said! I can’t STAND Cersei PoV. A more pointless waste of pages I’ve never read. Yet, I Enjoyed Brienne’s, at least upon re-read. *shrug*

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    56. Mihnea,

      If true, I’m not that surprised. Ian McShane pretty much gave it away in an interview that his character was a one-shot, when he talked about having a great death scene. Add the casting spoilers about a corrupted organization that sounded suspiciously like BwB gone bad, and it makes sense.

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    57. Ice Spider,

      The leader of our biggest party has been found guilty of voter fraud and refuses to resigh because ”he believes he is innocent”, the previous prime-minister, is tried for money laudring(I botched this word) the elected mayor, right this day, of a sector of the capital is tried for bribes, another mayor again elected today, can very well be arrested next weak.
      We have a tehnocrat govermment, because all parties lost all trust and people protested on the streets after 70 people died in a night club fire, a night club that had no papers and functioned illigely, because the mayor took bribes.
      This is the political situation in the country, more or less.
      They even tried changing the criminal laws to save themselves but stopped after protests.

      The major positive? They are all being tried or already found guilty.
      The anti-corruption agency, witch we where ”ordered” to create by the EU is truly doing it’s job.

      Last comment on this as it’s off-topic! Let myself get carried a bit, sorry. Politics is a hobby/passion of mine.

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    58. Regarding the books.I read them after season 3. The first 3 books are as good as any fantasy I have read (Im 61 by the way) the next 2 are dire ,sorry but thats my opinion. the show gets more criticism after season 3 because the source material is worse, for what its worth season 6 (so far) has been the best since s3.

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    59. Every father of a highborn girl in Westeros has had a week to realize that Jaime is now an eligible bachelor LOL

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    60. QueenofThrones,

      Agree on Cersei’s POV, they where the hardest to reed. She was a joke.
      Brienne’s chapters I found….boring but Cersei’s were just bad.

      I appreciate Lena every time I see her on screen and think how much she improved the character.

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    61. Dee,

      This is the letter she sent Stannis when Stannis sent away for the Northern lords’ help. She basically sent back a middle finger, which I absolutely love and that’s why I recreated it 🙂

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    62. Ice Spider:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Im finishing book three.. well been trying to finish it and from what I’ve been hearing not sure if I want to even get books 4&5?? Heard a bunch of folk saying they are really dry and hard to get through? Maybe reading them as recommended on here? I mean the chapter lists?

      What say everyone? Read books 4 & 5 like as recommended or just read them normally?

      A friend I recommended the book series to burned through the first four all after GoT had started airing. She’s now been sitting about halfway through book five for around two years. She’s read many other books in that time – just can’t find the interest to finish that one. She is through season five of the show and loves it though.

      I haven’t read 4 & 5 in the boiledleather chronological order. I think they may be more enjoyable that way. I’m one that didn’t care for very much of the Dorne so breaking that up would be a blessing.

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    63. Mustangride,
      For your Spec, who is “another, younger and more beautiful to take all you hold dear” or do you think they will drop that point?

      I am wondering because it seems likely that Cersei will die before Dany gets to Westeros, and Sansa is in the north with no cause to come south. Margaery could be, but then that seems too obvious, since in some ways she literally has taken everything from Cersei… except for Jaime.

      Which makes me wonder if it could be Brienne? She’s not a queen but she’s younger and more beautiful depending on whether you mean inward or outward beauty.

      Or maybe Cersei will escape KL and the prophecy won’t be completely resolved until next season.

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    64. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      The jet-pack is a tin foil theory.

      The REAL reason Littlefinger can “teleport” is because he’s stealing time. Where is he stealing this time, you may ask? Well, here’s another long running fan question: is Gendry still rowing?

      The answers to these questions have more in common than anyone could imagine. Littlefinger has tapped into Gendry’s time. Gendry is caught in an infinite rowing loop while Littlefinger is able to use that stored energy to speed himself through his own timeline.

      I don’t know how to spoiler tag. Sorry for ruining this master twist for everyone.

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    65. QueenofThrones: I think you should just wait until Season 8 is over. It’s only 2 more years! And you’ll probably enjoy the show a bit less once you’ve read the books. Or at least, you’re enjoying it now so much, so why risk it? ?

      Eh, I read the books after S4, and I’m still enjoying the show just as much, if not more, than I did before reading the books.

      Seeing how badly GRRM butchered AFFC/ADWD really put all of the hard work that D&D did to streamline the S5 storyline into perspective. I certainly appreciated the show more.

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    66. Eman: You might as well wait until Book 7 is out so you don’t have to wait five to seven years for that to happen. Book 6 won’t be out this year and maybe not even next year. Based on the trajectory of the last few books, book 7 won’t be out until 2024 or 2025.

      Book 7 is never coming out. We’ll get tWoW in 2018, and that’ll be it for a Song of Ice and Fire. The only ending we’ll get for that story is via the show, unless GRRM’s estate is willing to take on another author to finish up the epic like Robert Jordan’s estate asked Brandon Sanderson to step in and finish the Wheel of Time. (And if that happens, the final novel(s) will be of a much better quality than AFFC/ADWD/TWOW was.)

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    67. MAN! It’s been a long week, n an even longer day. Tis beautiful here. Hot and beerbq shaped. 9pm tho n I’m fookd o.o gottan hour to meself so Naptime!! Or ill never make it lol

      Really hope the drawbridge bros are at the end of the ep so can give it proper attention next week. N lots of other awesome stuff up till then pls 😀 I love Sundays. I love Westeros. And feel like I’ve already had a seasons worth an everything else is a bonus now.

      Broken man. Surely not?! If so this is defo the season of wrapping a few things up so bookppls can just stfu n enjoy the final dozen or more. 😛

      GAH! Can’t think about that. Expected more n till it’s confirmed I refuse to hear it lol.

      5 hours!!!

      Oh my gods

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    68. Hoyti Von Totiy,
      You cannot have read the new Aeron Damphair-chapter then. It’s really, really good, utterly disturbing with a lot of intriquing reveals. Of course, Aeron is perhaps my favoritie POV-character so I’m a little biased, but people seem to agree that this new chapter is the best of the bunch from Winds.

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    69. QueenofThrones,

      Show wise the obvious is Marg, but “To steal away” Makes me lean toward possibly Sansa, If she stole Jamie to her side it would fit and remember Book Sansa is in the Vale. I doubt it is Dany.

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    70. Ice Spider: What say everyone? Read books 4 & 5 like as recommended or just read them normally?

      I’d suggest the Boiled Leather reading order. That’s how I read AFFC/ADWD, and it made the pointless meandering and random new POVs a bit more easier to take when it was intertwined with the better parts of the books.

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    71. QueenofThrones: Exact opposite opinion on everything you said!I can’t STAND Cersei PoV.A more pointless waste of pages I’ve never read.Yet, I Enjoyed Brienne’s, at least upon re-read.*shrug*

      I think its brilliantly written, the way she looks down on everyone and carefully schemes to get rid of Margeary only for all her vanity to come crashing down in the final chapter. The show has taken away so much of that plot-her cast of friends, her choices of the small council, burning the hand’s tower, the Kettleblacks, Loras tyrell’s storyline etc. Brienne’s by comparision is tedious, dull and pointless. there’s no story element there

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    72. Josh L,

      Lol noob. We’ll get the books. Book 6 before Season 7. Book 7 sometime after the show finishes. The final word.

      Till more Dunc n Egg n whatever. Ppl so negative about George idgi 🙁 he rich now can stay healthy n write more now the pressures off (mostly).

      LESS THAN 5 HOURS!!! zz

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    73. Of the entire show I will say the thing I have wanted most is Jamie’s redemption arc, it would explain so much and be the true uniting force. Well that and where is Gendry i heard he and waldo were together.

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    74. Tullybaby:
      Every father of a highborn girl in Westeros has had a week to realize that Jaime is now an eligible bachelor LOL

      LOL.. LOVE that thought.. who would you SHIP him with?? Interesting thoughts..

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    75. Mustangride: Show wise the obvious is Marg, but “To steal away” Makes me lean toward possibly Sansa, If she stole Jamie to her side it would fit and remember Book Sansa is in the Vale. I doubt it is Dany.

      Hm that’s an interesting idea. But I don’t know if Jaime is ready to go to the extreme of actually allying with The Starks. And do you mean a Sansa x Jaime marriage, cuz, woh??? O_O Or maybe you just mean Brienne convinces Jaime to go help the Starks/get rid of the Boltons because they are awful.

      One intriguing thing about Jaime being Lord Lannister (he is, right?) is that Cersei literally has no political power over him. Whereas before, he was Kingsguard and debatably has to do what she said (if we buy when Cersei says she’s speaking for the king).

      So, technically speaking, if Jaime was persuaded that the Lannisters and Starks should be allies… there would be no one to stop him from taking all the Lannister forces north of the neck. Jesus. I can’t stand this waiting…! urghh

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    76. Clob: A friend I recommended the book series to burned through the first four all after GoT had started airing.She’s now been sitting about halfway through book five for around two years.She’s read many other books in that time – just can’t find the interest to finish that one. She is through season five of the show and loves it though.

      I haven’t read 4 & 5 in the boiledleather chronological order.I think they may be more enjoyable that way.I’m one that didn’t care for very much of the Dorne so breaking that up would be a blessing.

      Ok.. I really appreciate all the feedback.. I want to finish book 4 & 5 this summer so just kinda had this fear thing going on. I will try it the way they were intended to be read and if I find that too difficult I will try the chapter lists way (Boiled Leather??) Yeah that sounds right.. been a while since I read about those chapter lists.

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    77. Damphairintheshowplease!,

      Didn’t really like it. The Theon one was better, even the Arya one.

      Still better then Arianne….but this isn’t really saying much.

      Just to over the top. Torture porn 2.0. Even more convenient plot devices for Euron…etc.

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    78. Ice Spider

      You must read Books 4 and 5, there is no reason TWOW and ADOS will not be awesome

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    79. Josh L: I’d suggest the Boiled Leather reading order.That’s how I read AFFC/ADWD, and it made the pointless meandering and random new POVs a bit more easier to take when it was intertwined with the better parts of the books.

      Lol.. okie.. thanks so much for your take on it.. I will try to read the way intended but if that fails to get me going I will do the BL list.. 😉

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    80. BranTheBlessed:

      I really can’t stand being in Cersei’s head (she’s awful) and I don’t like the supporting cast in her story. What actually happens could have been told scattered about other PoV’s.

      Brienne’s story meanders, but when read in isolation I think it compares favorably to a Dunk and Egg story. I also like being in her head because it’s refreshing to have a PoV from the perspective of an actually good person, and I enjoyed the backstory we got.

      If I was left to my own devices both PoV’s should have been cut but I’m not GRRM.

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    81. Mihnea:
      Josh L,

      It does spoil some things like Quentyn though.

      Pointless character for me. There could have been no better last chapter for him – unless it was also his first chapter.

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    82. Mag: But Jon is Snow and Sansa is Lady Bolton… I suppose Rickon counts.

      Not once Ramsey’s dead she isn’t… and that’s exactly what they are asking the Northerners to help out with.

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    83. r-hard:
      I want Gendry to be the ”a handsome young man” by Littlefinger for Olenna against Cersei so bad.

      Oh shit, you think they will kill Tommen somehow and crown Gendry then marry him to Marg!?!! MIND BLOWN

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    84. One of Roose Bolton’s 20 good leeches:
      Ice Spider,

      Sam’s sister, lol.

      Oh… that is funny. Sam and Jaime bro-in-laws! Now that would be interesting convo’s. BUT on a more realistic note.. Sam’s Father would get the MANLY son that he’s always wanted.. Im not so sure Sam’s brother is all that manly.. he seems a bit weak in my book. But compared to Sam his Father has no other options!!

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    85. Mihnea,

      I understand. So sorry. you unfortunately also have to vote for the candidate you hate least that’s what I’m doing as well in US

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    86. Dee:
      Ice Spider,

      Isnt that SAMs sister

      Yes.. I didn’t hear her name on the show last week and I haven’t gotten to her in the books.. so there was my confusion on who it was.. ;(

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    87. Damphairintheshowplease!,

      I read it, and I was soooooooo disappointed. Although I didn’t like the Iron Islands in the books, at all, The Damphair was my “favorite” character, as I have a fascination with religious zealots, and he reminded me a bit of St. Augustine. Unfortunately, all I feel like we got in the “new” chapter was

      Euron as Ramsay 2.0. Between the Sansa and Arianne chapters (neither of which I, personally, enjoyed, although in all fairness, I can’t stand Arianne, so there’s a built-in bias there), and now Aeron chapters, my hopes for the next book are rapidly waning. I’m keeping my fingers crossed those chapters are the exception, and chapters like Mercy, which I really enjoyed, are more prevalent.

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    88. r-hard:
      I want Gendry to be the ”a handsome young man” by Littlefinger for Olenna against Cersei so bad.

      Listen … all you folk who want to ship Gendry with ANYONE but a STARK.. it’s a Stark for Gendry and that is it.. I mean he did say Arya was his LADY.. 😉 I just thought they were so cute together.. and I KNOW she was digging him even if she didn’t want to show it.

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    89. Just saw the trailer for tonight on tv and paused on Sansa writing. I really think she’s writing to

      little finger – I read the words “fulfill your … UGH!!!

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    90. QueenofThrones: I really can’t stand being in Cersei’s head (she’s awful) and I don’t like the supporting cast in her story.What actually happens could have been told scattered about other PoV’s.

      Brienne’s story meanders, but when read in isolation I think it compares favorably to a Dunk and Egg story.I also like being in her head because it’s refreshing to have a PoV from the perspective of an actually good person, and I enjoyed the backstory we got.

      If I was left to my own devices both PoV’s should have been cut but I’m not GRRM.

      Fair enough. I quite liked Brienne’s chapters in earlier books-with Renly,Jaime. I was specifically talking Book 4 where her contribution can be summed up with -”Have you seen a maid of 10 and 3, fair and with auburn hair?” repeated about a 100 times. apart from that completely randomly meetup with Randyll Tarly midbook and LSH at the very end.

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    91. QueenofThrones,

      What I see happening is Brienne and Jamie meet back up, and she has a talk with Jamie (vows and honor and all) and I really hope its in a Southern Grandmother tone and look. Jamie starts to realize and remember all he has ever wanted was to be as Honorable as his Mentor Sir Dayne. A little time pases or 2 episodes and we get his line from storm of swords about Sansa.

      His redemption arc can be so great if done right and explain why he did not kill Ned and all his other actions, in the end he is the true Hero of the story. This would lead in to Sansa and Tyrion sitting the Iron throne. I have long speculated that Dany will leave Wormser and Messy in Mereen to rule there and after Dany comes in and saves the day all Hailing the Conquering hero she comes to realize that all she really wants is to Be in the Little House with a Red Door. Jon would then go to rebuilt the nights watch with some new rules like taking wives is ok lol. That is the Bitter Sweet ending we were promised.

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    92. Ryan:
      Anyone think The Broken Man could also be referring to Theon?

      It could, but it would be the most boring option. I really hope for something more exciting.

      By the way, how long is tonight’s episode?

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    93. Ice Spider: LOL.. LOVE that thought.. who would you SHIP him with?? Interesting thoughts..

      There aren’t that many unmarried highborn girls of marriageable age who actually have appeared on screen and/or been named!

      I can think of…

      Sam’s sister
      Dany Targ
      Brienne Tarth
      Meera Reed
      Nameless Frey girls

      I think that’s it?? Otherwise we have,

      Soon to be widowed:
      Margaery Tyrell
      Sansa Stark (though she’s twice married so…)

      Too young:
      Lyanna Mormont
      Arya Stark

      Not highborn:
      Sandsnakes 1, 2, and 3
      Ellaria Sand

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    94. singedbylife,

      Agreed. I’ve been thinking The Hound all week but just thought about what other characters this might be referring to. Theon, Bran, Jaime maybe, and idk can you think or have any thoughts on who else?

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    95. Flayed Potatoes:
      I wonder how they are going to fit the entire recruitment campaign in one episode (which happens to be a short one). Maybe we’ll get some more scenes in episode 8…idk.

      Have you ever seen Team America World Police? We’re gonna need a montage! 😀

      Once again I won’t be able to watch this properly until tomorrow evening because Europe and having to go to work to pay for my Sky subscription so I can watch the show. Judging by the reaction to the photos I expect lots of OMG Jaime swooooooon comments. It’s lucky Arthur Dayne’s not gonna be in this episode too otherwise there would be complete hormonal meltdown. (Well, I assume we won’t be seeing any more of him anyway, no reason to as far as I know. And I should probably mention in the interests of fairness that I preferred his friend Ser Simon of House Sidekick.) Where was I? Oh yeah, er judging by rumors and alleged spoilers – don’t worry I’m not going to repeat any here – this should be another solid episode with some nice moments for book readers and unsullied alike. Hope everyone enjoys it and see you all here again tomorrow for the post-show discussion 😀

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    96. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Damphairintheshowplease!,

      I loved it. No surprise perhaps as I’m a Greyjoy fan and I guess somewhat of a torture freak too in some ways. True, Euron is another crazy psycopath but I do find it interesting and very satisfying when characters like Viserys, Joffrey, Ramsay, and Eurony fall. (Hoping that the latter two will do so, of course.)

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    97. Sou: It could, but it would be the most boring option. I really hope for something more exciting.

      By the way, how long is tonight’s episode?

      Ive read it’s the shortest one left for the season.. ;( boo hiss boo

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    98. Mustangride,

      I prefer a Jaime who actually was a jackass and is trying to improve… slowly… There was no cause to kill Ned’s men. At least in the show they were armed – in the book he butchered them like dogs just because he could, leaving Ned alive as a message.

      I don’t forgive him for that but in the end that doesn’t prevent Jaime from becoming a hero. But many others are heros too. Like Brienne, Dany, Jon, etc. There is no “the Hero”.

      Personally I ship Brienne with Jaime and I hope that Cersei lives long enough to see him choose to abandon her and go with Brienne

      as happened at the end of adwd, though I’m sure the circumstances will be very different.

      Can you remind me the Sansa quote you’re thinking of?

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    99. Ryan,

      Personally I hope, hope, hope for The Hound. But I also hope it will be partly about Theon who I want to see more from. I haven’t seen the preview but it could also refer to Jorah Mormont, or even Benjen Stark. But I hope the emphasis will be on The Hound and Theon.

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    100. Sou:
      Ice Spider,

      Oh dear, you haven’t been paying attention!!! ?

      Well that says it all!! No wonder Im clueless.. lol and the fact that I can’t always get online to read the billion posts this site generates each week.. 😉 But I TRY to stay as educated as I can and pass off as somewhat intelligent. But you busted me MANE!!! teehee

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    101. Ok, I know this is not completely sane but I have started getting REALLY STRESSED on how on earth they are going to fit every storyline in just 4 episodes.
      I mean, they have like what, 10 minutes for each left?
      What a stress!!

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    102. Let’s hope Jon shines today! Can’t wait for Arya, the North and the Riverlands. Enjoy the episode everyone 😀

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    103. QueenofThrones: There aren’t that many unmarried highborn girls of marriageable age who actually have appeared on screen and/or been named!

      I can think of…

      Sam’s sister
      Dany Targ
      Brienne Tarth
      Meera Reed
      Nameless Frey girls

      I think that’s it??Otherwise we have,

      Soon to be widowed:
      Margaery Tyrell
      Sansa Stark (though she’s twice married so…)

      Too young:
      Lyanna Mormont
      Arya Stark

      Not highborn:
      Sandsnakes 1, 2, and 3
      Ellaria Sand

      Im thinking “keep it in the family man!!” and make it Marg.. I mean she is prob the ONLY one who can keep up with him and make it interesting.. just my two cents.. I know she’s made the rounds with the Lannister family but what the heck.. why not? lol

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    104. Jack Bauer 24:
      Do you think Ian McShane will be in tonights episode, or next week? Pretty short episode tonight to be able to get to him.

      My guess is that

      the big Hound reveal will be at the very end. D&D like to do that sort of thing. He will be the last thing we see before the end credits. Just a guess though.

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    105. Lulus Mum,

      Hello, lovely! 🙂
      Gawd, people really need to stop mentioning Ser Arthur Dayne. I mean, I was already had a thing for him from the books, but it has been a long, long time since I’ve seen someone as I find as utterly, overwhelmingly distracting in their gorgeousness as Luke Roberts. Now, I see the name Dayne, and my mind immediately goes to Luke Roberts, and I lose all train of thought.

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    106. ICE DRAGON,

      Hmmm… I thought High Sparrow already dealt Olenna a blow by giving her – her army – a walk of atonement of sorts. They way it marched in there, and then had to march right back out without cracking a single head was devastating to it’s image of authority and power.

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    107. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Lulus Mum,

      Hello, lovely! ?
      Gawd, people really need to stop mentioning Ser Arthur Dayne.I mean, I was already had a thing for him from the books, but it has been a long, long time since I’ve seen someone as I find as utterly, overwhelmingly distracting in their gorgeousness as Luke Roberts.Now, I see the name Dayne, and my mind immediately goes to Luke Roberts, and I lose all train of thought.

      Can I jump on this bandwagon of deliciousness? Lol.. JK.. nice eye candy for the female population! Loving it!

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    108. Is the mummer’s troupe storyline over and done with, or could their next engagement be somewhere in the vicinity of King’s Landing, as they’re joined by a certain young newcomer hired to replace an actress who tried to “poison” the troupe’s camaraderie?

      Will tonight’s chase scene across Braavos inspire someone to create an Arya MOD for Assassin’s Creed?

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    109. Flayed Potatoes,
      Ha ha definitely! 😀 Might not sound quite so rawk played on the kind of instruments they would have available though. Mandolin solo anyone?

      Edit: boo can’t get my metal rawk face thingy to work 🙁

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    110. Synopsis: The High Sparrow eyes another target. Jaime confronts a hero. Arya makes a plan. The North is reminded.

      Comcast has it slightly different;

      Synopsis: Jaime encounters a hero; the High Sparrow fixates on another prey; Arya hatches a new plan; Yara and Theon plot their next move; Olenna and Cersei discuss their families’ futures.

      Prey/Target, confronts/encounters
      makes/hatches
      And it makes no mention of the north but adds Theon and Yara and Cersei and Olenna.

      A tidbit different but it’s probably more than tomato/tomato…

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    111. Mihnea:
      Dee,

      Especially when they all are corrupt thiefs…. I voted for a party I hate today, because I know their candidate, he was the director of the high-school I went to, because I hate all the others more…

      God, that american guy, after the revolution, was right…. We’ll need 80 years to clean the communist mindset from the country..

      I just hope GOT helps me get over this..

      Cheer up. At least you don’t have to choose between Trump and Hillary.

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    112. Sou:
      Ice Spider,

      Yep, too bad we only saw him for like 4 minutes.
      On the other hand, I expected more from the Dothraki this season. ?

      IKR.. I was like they had all this beef budaciousness for only two episodes? Lol.. but what can you expect it’s male writers and male dominated industry… we take the crumbs we are offered.

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    113. gewa76,

      In my view, 90% of the time we end up voting for the lesser evil…
      I think last time I voted for someone whole-heartedly I voted for myself!!!

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    114. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Euron is nothing like Ramsay, I think. He’s much more mysteruous and unpredictable. In Ramsays mindgames, the ultimate plan is always to hurt the offer as much as possible. If he’s being nice, it’s because it will make the upcoming violence feel worse. Euron, on the other hand, seem to be genuinely filled with something resempling love and warmth when he’s playing nice, which makes it all the more unnerving. Areon and Eurons relationshup is one of the most intriqing aspects of the new books.

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    115. Sou:
      Ice Spider,

      Well, to be just, men viewers did not get much this year either. So far that is.

      Awwwwww poor babies.. they can re-watch season 2 or 3 maybe 4??.. there’s enough T&A in there to last a lifetime!! Can’t really feel too sorry for them honestly!!

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    116. Ok well it’s been great fun talking to you all again… I have to get off line and onto dinner.. Ciao!!

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    117. Can’t wait for another brilliant Sansa episode, D&D have given me pure gold material with her arc this season. So frickin excited for Riverrun too, HELL YEAH BLACKFISH.

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    118. Guys, it is way past midnight here, I am off to bed. All of in the US or near time zones, enjoy. See you for the recaps.
      By the way, if the show airs at 9pm in the east coast, what time does it air in say Seattle?

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    119. Jaime dear best watch his back around Black Jack Randall, who has a penchant for pretty boys of that same name.

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    120. Ryan,

      Well, to me – the difference is significant. I love the Greyjoy story and want to see it evolve into something… if not huge, then semi huge.

      Thanks for sharing.

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    121. Nymeria Warrior Queen,
      Hi honey *Kermit the Frog flail waving* so many inappropriate comments about men waving their big swords around spring to mind! 😉 Mind you, with such a large cast there’s pretty much something for everyone on this show, which never hurts. Apparently Pornhub are being sued by HBO for using GoT scenes, so even the porn community find plenty to please them.

      Managed to find an Eye of the Tiger type emoji ???as my hand drawn one wasn’t working. And that’s an excuse to post a link to the version Dean from Supernatural does. That man sure can play air leg guitar 😀

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    122. So hyped for Lyanna Mormont.

      Also wonder if we see Ramsay and/or Rickon. Surely they should show him at least one more time before the battle.

      And will we get to see Jon do or say something instead of standing around with a derp look on his face this time?

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    123. Ice Spider,

      Ah, don’t listen to all the haters. If you really enjoy reading beautiful writing, read them. If you don’t – don’t bother. The story definitely slows down in 4&5 but I love them. Not everyone does. To each his own.

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    124. Ginevra:
      Jaime dear best watch his back around Black Jack Randall, who has a penchant for pretty boys of that same name.

      At least Lord Blackfish Lovat is around! But It is clear, that fight-preparations were taken by Jaimie!
      I would wish if someone made a video up with the phrase “The Frasers send their regards!”

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    125. singedbylife,

      I agree it is quite satisfying when abhorrent characters get their comeuppance. I’m glad to hear some genuinely enjoyed the chapter. It just goes to show how different things appeal to different people.

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    126. Read books 4 and 5 in the bathroom. You get one chapter at a time and the order matters less…. They are good giving you the life of the smallfolk when nobles fight.

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    127. Can someone explain to me why Sansa is there in front of the Wildlings when Tormund and Jon (or maybe not) talk to them? Is she really necessary in that scene? Watch D+D make her do her own speech to the Wildlings because reasons. Ever since she made it to CB, they have felt the need to shove her into every single shot…

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    128. My fear for tonight and maybe into episode 8 is the people who will die. I am personally worried about Podrick tonight, maybe Bronn and then who knows what will happen with Loras and Margaery. I think if Tommen does die by jumping out a window, as the rumors have it, then it will be because something happens to Margaery. Maybe Cersei will have something to do with it, but I feel like Tommen can’t live without Margaery, and Margaery will do anything to get her brother out. If the High Sparrow makes a move on Olenna, and Cersei allows it, that would be terrible.

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    129. Ice Spider: I may just borrow someones then … lol or go to the library? I do want to read them so that I won’t miss stuff but I’m very afraid bc of the things Ive heard about them…

      A Feast for Crows, generally considered the “worst” of the series, is still an excellent book by any metric. Don’t let the local book-hate club get you down. They are the few, book-lovers are the many. They just happen to be concentrated here, making it look like they have a kind of numbers they really don’t.

      I am currently working through all of the Hugo nominees from around the year AFFC was released and nominated. So far, it is by far the best, including being far better than any of the winners. I am not alone in thinking this, as only one of the other 14 books nominated from 2005-2007 has higher ratings at Goodreads. It’s a great book, that only gets better upon re-read.

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    130. Damphairintheshowplease!,

      I find them far too similar. I won’t go into it any further, as I don’t want to derail this episode thread with TWOW chapter talk. I will say, however, I do enjoy differing opinions, and the fact people can see things so very differently is part of the fun.

      Sou,

      Seattle is in the pacific time zone, so the episode there first airs at 6pm (just like where I am). 🙂

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    131. Ice Spider,

      One of my favorite travel writers was the late Patrick Leigh Fermoor, who wrote a travel narrative of his journey through Europe just before WWII. His travels in Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria were really interesting to me because even tho I was familiar with the music and dance, and next to no idea of the history. First book is Time of Gifts, the second is Between Woods and Water (also a posthumous third book the broken road) Well worth reading.

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    132. So psyched for tonight’s ep – the Riverlands storyline looks to be really good, and the North will hopefully continue the trend for this season in being the strongest section of the show. I am crossing my fingers and toes that at least some of Jon and Sansa’s recruitment drive will prove to be successful. And I am looking forward to seeing Yara and Theon again. The dynamics between those two are really interesting, and the actors play their parts so well. Also hoping for a good Arya scene – like Jon and Sansa, she is reclaiming her Stark identity this season and I really want to see how that plays out.

      As for the casting – I wonder if some of the casting calls were merged – like maybe those for Lyanna Stark and Lyanna Mormont – and that is how they went undetected last summer?

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    133. Have been looking forward to this one a lot. Last week’s episode was fine, but we’re now into the final stretch of the season, so I’m expecting an amazing episode. I have really enjoyed all previous episode sevens, so this episode has a lot to live up to!

      I also think Cogman will do better this week since there seems to be a lot of stuff from the books in the episode, which he always excels at. There was some pretty average writing last week from him, but original material has never been his forte on GoT. I really think he’ll shine with some of the stuff in tonight’s episode. Can’t wait!!!”

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    134. didi,

      Not at all! I’m going to age and distress this one, and mount it in a shadowbox and put it in my office. I was thinking of sending it to the show runners but I’m sure they get all kinds of strange stuff sent to them already 🙂

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    135. Tywin of the Hill,

      THose who wonder about reading books 4 and 5…..I reread each of the first three books prior to the seasons. Then I reread the next two, cringing because I was really disappointed in them for the most part. However, I found myself really liking it much more. Think it was because the show gave me background of characters and places and scenes that I didn’t have before so the books were easier to read. So if you’ve seen the show up through season 5, you might find yourself liking the books. Just flip through a lot of the filler details

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    136. The High Sparrow considers another target.

      Some who toil in the rumor mills think that target might be Kevan Lannister. That would be interesting, since Kev is probably the least likely character on the show to become a religious fanatic. I like to imagine that he and Lady Olenna have their own little plan up their collective sleeve. Or they’ll both die horrifically. Odds are the latter.

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    137. Chad Brick: Don’t let the local book-hate club get you down.

      Oh, my. So, some folks state their opinions regarding not enjoying parts of books 4 and 5, although stating they loved 1-3, and they’re “the local-book-hate club?” For someone who becomes so distraught by others painting with what you consider too broad a brush, and who abhors what you consider derogatory labels, it is a study in hypocrisy to see you using your own derogatory labels and painting with too broad a brush. 🙂

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    138. Esmenet,

      Not cheating if you want to read it in chronological order and want to skip the filler details about food and armor……but to each his/her own.

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    139. Nymeria Warrior Queen: Oh, my.So, some folks state their opinions regarding not enjoying parts of books 4 and 5, although stating they loved 1-3, and they’re “the local-book-hate club?”For someone who becomes so distraught by others painting with what you consider too broad a brush, and who abhors what you consider derogatory labels, it is a study in hypocrisy to see you using your own derogatory labels and painting with too broad a brush.?

      That’s the one I skip, NWQ, if you recall what I mean. Not the only one, but the one I was referring to that day.

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    140. ash,

      I can see how a reread after the show may help. I’d read the first four before the show started and the fifth when it came out after season one, but there still wasn’t any Dorne inclusion yet of course.

      I’m curious to see how I enjoy TWoW Dorne characters when it comes out. I have to say that I didn’t dislike AFfC or ADwD as a whole. There were some slow parts like all books and I really didn’t like that so many new characters were added but I still tore through them and was happy to have read them. George has said that he struggled with the method to advance storylines – that whole “five year gap” deal that he wanted to do. It would work for some characters but not very well for others. I think the chopped up results didn’t work very well in the end, but ignoring that the story is pretty good.

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    141. Books 4 and 5 are only for people who don’t need hand-holding while they poop.

      It is known.

      I kid! I actually didn’t love those books until I read them for a 2nd and 3rd and 4th and 5th time. Now I find myself re-re-reading them regularly. There is so much happening that at first seems like a weird distraction from the plot I thought I should have been following. But when you absorb it all… well, it becomes a much richer experience.

      Unless you need your hands held while you poop.

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    142. Ice Spider:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Im finishing book three.. well been trying to finish it and from what I’ve been hearing not sure if I want to even get books 4&5?? Heard a bunch of folk saying they are really dry and hard to get through? Maybe reading them as recommended on here? I mean the chapter lists?

      What say everyone? Read books 4 & 5 like as recommended or just read them normally?

      I might be in the minority, but I enjoyed books 4 and 5. I was completely immersed in the characters and genuinely interested in everything that was happening in the books, even the filler chapters with minor one chapter characters. Everyone is different, of course, but I will say that I very much enjoyed spending several months in GRRM’s world. I’m an avid reader, and I was a fan of the books years before HBO announced that they were going to start production on the series. This has been a very exciting ride spanning many years and I’ve really enjoyed seeing all of my favorite characters come to life on the screen. I’ll always love the books though…hard to compete with the written word. All that said, I would personally read each book individually. Seems like trying to toggle between two books would be cumbersome.

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    143. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      I don’t think he was using too broad a brush, to be fair. He didn’t say that everyone is part of a book-hate club, he simply stated that there IS a book-hate club, and many of it’s members are present here. I think that’s a fair assessment.

      I don’t think he’s referring to those who simply talk about “not enjoying parts of books 4 and 5”, I think we all can agree there is nothing wrong with disliking parts of a book, or even a book in it’s entirety.

      I’m pretty certain he’s referring to the individuals who openly state that AFFC and ADWD are “absolute shit”, and that GRRM is going to croak before he finishes the series.
      Hell someone in this thread even posted a link to a passage from ADWD where Dany defecating is described, and said that sums up the last two novels. If that isn’t book-hate, I don’t know what is.

      I’m pretty certain he’s also referring to some of the people who talk about the last two books being nothing but filler and how the few sample chapters from TWOW look to be more of the same.

      And then you have those who enjoy insulting and ceaselessly attacking supposed “book purists”, for the crime of enjoying the novels more than the show.

      So yeah, there is a bit of a trend of hating on the books here , even if it’s just AFFC and ADWD, and those people would have you believe those two books are not worth reading. Someone here even said that they should be skipped over. And there is nothing wrong with that opinion. But I think Chad was simply recommending that those curious about the novels not listen to those who say AFFC and ADWD are shit.

      So let’s be fair to our friend Chad, and recognize that there is indeed a subset of the community that openly hates the books, or at least the last two. Chad never said that everyone here was part of that subset.

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    144. All I gotta say about the title is the Broken Man better not be Bronn, or there will be seven hells to pay. Should be fun seeing that critter again. I wonder how many Frey’s he’ll fight tonight?

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    145. Markus Stark

      I dont hate books 4 and 5 I just dont think they are as GOOD as 1 to 3.
      They are still decent books.

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    146. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      Dee,

      This is the letter she sent Stannis when Stannis sent away for the Northern lords’ help. She basically sent back a middle finger, which I absolutely love and that’s why I recreated it ?

      Sent a middle finger…hahahahahaha! Great way to describe her letter! Middle finger…*chuckling*

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    147. Apropos of something, have I mentioned that I get my dental care done at New York University’s dental college and this week met my new student dentist, Alexander, a cool guy who could easily be Nikolaj Coster-Waldau’s younger brother? The resemblance is uncanny.

      How many people can say their dentist is one of the handsomest men they’ve ever met? You can’t make this stuff up.

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    148. I drink and l know things:
      Markus Stark

      I dont hate books 4 and 5 I just dont think they are as GOOD as 1 to 3.
      They are still decent books.

      Agreed, as stated. Three, four and five were all nominated for the Hugo Award and that says something to me. I’ve found several great authors and books to read over the years by purchasing off the list of Hugo winners and nominees. Perhaps the two most notable authors I’ve found this way are Dan Simmons (Hyperion as first book read) and Connie Willis (To Say Nothing of the Dog). They have since been joined by Gaiman and GRRM as possibly my top four science fiction and fantasy authors.

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    149. VisceralVarys,

      I’ll take “Schedule Me For A Cleaning Every Week” for $1000, Alex. 😉

      Full disclosure: I’m a straight happily married male, but this guy can fit me for braces any time. 😉 😉

      But srsly, he is the spitting image of Jaime Lannister, short beard and all.

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    150. I drink and l know things,

      Oh I don’t dispute that, I agree with you. But in any event, I have no problem even with those who do hate them. My problem is strictly reserved to those who “bully” (for lack of a better word) those who like them or prefer them to the show.

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    151. Ginevra,

      I do recall. 🙂

      Markus Stark,

      Yes, there are absolutely some who wholly disparage the books here, or at least 4 and 5, just as there are some elsewhere who wholly disparage the show. However, given his long history of complaining about even the term “book-purist” being used, at all, his post, imo, seemed hypocritical. That’s not to say I don’t appreciate you attempting to clarify or explain what you think he was trying to comunicate.

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    152. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Lulus Mum,

      Hello, lovely! ?
      Gawd, people really need to stop mentioning Ser Arthur Dayne.I mean, I was already had a thing for him from the books, but it has been a long, long time since I’ve seen someone as I find as utterly, overwhelmingly distracting in their gorgeousness as Luke Roberts.Now, I see the name Dayne, and my mind immediately goes to Luke Roberts, and I lose all train of thought.

      Did someone say Ser Arthur Dayne?! *arching back and purring*

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    153. Catspaw Assassin,

      You have become one of my favorite posters on this site. Love the sense of humor that you incorporate into your comments.

      I live in the NY metro area, too. This sounds like a good reason to switch dentists.

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    154. Waif could be “No One”

      Redditor catNamedStupidity speculates Arya is suffering from a “Fight Club“-like split personality disorder, pointing out that the Waif doesn’t really appear to be seen by people other than Arya and Jaqen. She also seems to magically know everything about Arya, including what she’s doing at all times.

      Plus, if Arya and the Waif were the same person, it’d explain why everyone in Braavos is cool with someone kicking the crud out of a blind girl in the streets. To them, it’d probably just look like this moment from the show, where the Waif mysteriously disappears during a fight with Arya:

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    155. HYPE!!! Episode night! Best night of the week! (Sorry Saturday, you come in second for ten weeks a year!)

      Can you believe in three weeks we will all be gearing up for the 69 minute season finale … hopefully on the big screen in movie theatres!!

      Tonight:

      The North rallies … Jon and Sansa – do us Stark supporters proud. Can’t wait to see Lyanna Mormont! I wonder if she will mention her kin Jeor and Jorah …

      Riverrun!! The Black Fish!! Family, Duty, Honor. (Oh and … Fuck the Freys!!)

      Ian Mcfrakking Shane !!! We know you are going to kill it!

      King’s Landing – I want to see Cersei and Olenna get into a bitch slap fight!!

      I’ve got a cask of Dornish Red chilling …

      Phone is OFF (friends and family know that I go dark on Sunday nights!!)

      Have a great episode everybody!!

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    156. GeekFurious: I kid! I actually didn’t love those books until I read them for a 2nd and 3rd and 4th and 5th time. Now I find myself re-re-reading them regularly.

      I agree, and I have gotten more of those two books in each read. A Dance With Dragons in particular. However, I admit that I sometimes find myself wondering whether there is some sort of Stockholm Syndrome going on here, like I’m trying to convince myself there is more in those books than there actually is. That may not be entirely fair, but on the whole I’d say that’s kinda happening to some extent, as AFFC and ADWD have spawned more outlandish theories than any of the previous volumes, and I don’t think it’s just because of the longer time waiting of the next installment. I think some people are trying to loop the loop. Suddenly everyone is a secret Targaryen. Aegon is fake because if he isn’t what’s the fucking point. Similarly, Quentyn’s death must be a hoax, because if it isn’t what was the point of that whole journey. Every single characterless Meereenese has been accused of being the Harpy. Every Northman has been accused of being the Hooded Man presumably killing people in Winterfell. Stannis has extremely convoluted plans to win his battle in the North —The one that definitely should have happened in A Dance with Dragons, as the book clearly set up in the beginning. But it didn’t. So there must a be a very convoluted reason for it! It’s not just that GRRM couldn’t write it in time and the editor convinced him to take the two climactic battles out, just so that something could be released. Yeah, that’s what happened.

      Basically, my contention is: If you have to dig really deep to find the good stuff, it’s not a really great mine, isn’t it?

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    157. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      I see what you mean, and I appreciate you replying in a constructive and friendly way 🙂 (which is not to say that I expected anything else from you, because you’re always respectful, but civil discourse and debate have become increasingly rare, so it’s always nice to have fellow fans with whom communication is agreeable).

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    158. Ice Spider,

      I was a show fan before I read the books. I know everyone has their own opinions of the books: which chapters are boring, which plot lines aren’t good, etc. but to be honest, I really like the books. I don’t have an issue with them at all. A lot of people hate on the later ones but there are some great POV chapters in those. I would say once the season is over, start reading them. I don’t think you’ll regret it and you’ll have enough time in the off-season to read them and speculate with other people who have read them. Go for it! 🙂

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    159. We’ve gone two weeks in a row with no Ramsay and three weeks with no Rickon. Surely we’ll see both tonight, right?

      Little Rickon never once gave it away.
      Ramsay said he’d have to pay and pay.
      A bastard here and a bastard there,
      Winterfell is the place where the Starks said,
      Hey, wolf, take a walk on the wild side.
      I say, hey, Rickon, take a walk on the wild side.

      I’ll just die of happiness if Rickon wargs Ramsay’s beloved hounds. Bitches, sic the bastard!

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    160. Nymeria Warrior Queen: Oh, my.So, some folks state their opinions regarding not enjoying parts of books 4 and 5, although stating they loved 1-3, and they’re “the local-book-hate club?”For someone who becomes so distraught by others painting with what you consider too broad a brush, and who abhors what you consider derogatory labels, it is a study in hypocrisy to see you using your own derogatory labels and painting with too broad a brush.?

      No, the local book-hate club is a specific group of a small handful of people who are constantly trashing the books, GRRM, and “purists”. They are as toxic as Linda and do not make this site a better place.

      Book criticism is fine, but their irrational ranting crosses the line.

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    161. Mihnea,

      He’s a socialist not a communist – if your talking about the Bern. And if talking about communism please stipulate which form – Bolshevik Marxist Leninism, Trotskite, Moaist, anarchist etc.

      The high sparrow however doesn’t seem to be communist, (if that’s who you are referring to) there’s no talk about the means of production, alienation or property redistribution.

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    162. Even though I like AFFC, I understood the hate it gets.

      But I always liked ADWD as much as 1-3 (in fact, everyone i know in my personal life loves ADWD… I didn’t even know people were panning it online).

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    163. Ginevra,

      I hope we’ll see them ! I remember a line from the trailer that clearly sounds like Ramsay asking “Do you like games little man ?”. And

      I also remember Art Parkinson saying his character would have an interesting dynamic with Ramsay, so we must be due for something between those two.

      I for one am not yet sick of Ramsay, and even missed his evil presence in episodes 5 and 6, so I’m definitely hoping we’ll visit Winterfell this week.

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    164. firstone: speculates Arya is suffering from a “Fight Club“-like split personality disorder, pointing out that the Waif doesn’t really appear to be seen by people other than Arya and Jaqen.

      While ingesting an hallucinogen along with a liquid that would make one blind could explain such a thing, she never did ingest anything. That scene was fantastic but it was also confusing. She’d also have to have been experiencing such a ‘disorder’ from the beginning when the Waif first appeared. I guess it’s a pretty wild theory that I’m not buying into, but, stranger things have happened.

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    165. Something to watch in the mean time – Bran’s vision breakdown is really good – lots of interesting speculation and of course the great attention to the camera work and production of the scenes, my favorite parts.

      Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 6 ANALYZED! – 6×06 – Blood of My Blood

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    166. Riverlands
      KL
      Volantis
      Braavos
      North

      Going to be a really fast paced episode at 51 minutes with all of that and that’s not even including McShane.

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    167. Catspaw Assassin:
      All I gotta say about the title is the Broken Man better not be Bronn, or there will be seven hells to pay. Should be fun seeing that critter again. I wonder how many Frey’s he’ll fight tonight?

      I love Bronn and am really looking forward to seeing him again. Just hope him sneaking up on the now battle trained Podrik doesn’t result in an accidental blade to the gut, killing off yet another one of our favorite “less significant” characters (R.I.P. Osha). Since its GOT, guess they all have to go sometime.

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    168. I am doing another rewatch. I didn’t notice on my other watches that Mace Tyrell was being led by one of the Tyrell soldiers. The person is holding one of the horse’s reins. Holy crap. He can’t ride a horse.

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    169. A few points: Cersei is not Ramsey-like awful. She is a dynast, trying to save her kids. She mourned the dead ones (and, interestingly, she already has three dead ones. She had one with Robert Baratheon).

      As for waiting for the books, it could be a while. It normally takes six months to a year to get a major book printed once it has been handed in. Martin has read from Book 6 recently but has not said he is close to handing in a manuscript.

      The scripts for Season 7 have basically been written. Last year at this time, scripts for six went out to actors and they began to film in mid-July. So all that is left to be written are the last six episodes. And I would bet that Dave and Dan basically have an outline. They would need it since things have to be placed just right since the last episode has more or less been written according to Martin.

      So if Martin does not hand in a manuscript within six months (end of this year) it is likely that Season 8 will be written before Book 6 comes out. If it is delayed much beyond that, the whole season could be filmed before we see anything. And I would bet that Beniof and Weiss would really try to get Martin to write the last episode as a special treat.

      Chances are, the end of this season will not be far from the end of Book 6. There are only 13 episodes left afterwards. That means that in terms of writing they’re already working in Book 7.

      And, frankly, I would not bet against George Martin deciding on a Book 8.

      Those wanting to wait for the books could be waiting a long time. At that point, there might even be a remake…with all new actors (I doubt most of the current actresses would like doing nude scenes a dozen years from now.

      So watch the show and read the books if you want. The producers skipped huge amounts of Books 4 and 5. Who cares? The show is great.

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    170. HS:
      Something to watch in the mean time – Bran’s vision breakdown is really good – lots of interesting speculation and of course the great attention to the camera work and production of the scenes, my favorite parts.

      Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 6 ANALYZED! – 6×06 – Blood of My Blood

      This guy is fabulous. I definitely need to start watching him each week. I never watched his BFF do this show, so I hope he’s as good. There is so much insight he adds to the episode that I just love, like Bran’s flash of the weirwood branches representing the fact that Bran is still connected to the network but now he’s on Wi-Fi!

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    171. Angela:
      I am doing another rewatch. I didn’t notice on my other watches that Mace Tyrell was being led by one of the Tyrell soldiers. The person is holding one of the horse’s reins. Holy crap. He can’t ride a horse.

      Yeah, I wrote that a few days ago. I didn’t really pay attention to it until my third watch. I equated it to his being at a carnival kiddy pony ride pen. 🙂

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    172. Markus Stark:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Are we certain we’re skipping Meereen and Winterfell ? No Ramsay for 3 weeks seems strange, and no Tyrion for 2 weeks is even more bizarre.

      I just don’t see how they’ll be time for it. I could see them skipping Winterfell and having Ramsay be in episode 8 to set him up for episode 9. He still needs another scene with Rickon. That was 4 episodes ago.

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    173. Clob: Yeah, I wrote that a few days ago.I didn’t really pay attention to it until my third watch.I equated it to his being at a carnival kiddy pony ride pen.

      I know. I didn’t see your post about it. I laughed so hard at that part. Jaime’s look on his face was so priceless.

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    174. Markus Stark,

      I can see them skipping Ramsay until next week (unless it’s a scene with Rickon, I’m not sure what else there is to say about him right now), but it would be odd if there was no Tyrion two episodes in a row. I don’t think that’s ever happened before.

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    175. Josh L,

      Gah! Say that to my face. I’m old n from the north. If you wish to be pessimistic go for it lol but I am the eternal optimist.

      Who cares anyway there’s less than an hour to go 😀 just watched the play part 2 again and keep meaning to say… If Game of Thrones WAS A Song of Ice & Fire, then this play would be GoT. It’s awesome I love it n can’t wait for the cut bits down the road. 😀

      Nearly there have a good one y’all. WOOH!!!

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    176. Simon,
      God, I hope we don’t get LSH with the BwB. It would be too much to have the LSH reveal in the same season with Jon’s resurrection and the appearance of Benhands. The viewers might begin to feel like Stark family deaths are temporary and cheap. What’s next, the reanimated heads of Ned and Robb rolling into the room saying “I’m not dead” and “I’m getting better” (apologies to Monty Python)?

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    177. Looking forward to some great conversations, speeches, objections and insights with this episode. It is amazing that there are so many awesome milestone moments being adapted this season. Kingslayer and Blackfish, yeah! Anticipation is high!

      Love that the BF took RR back, although I fear for Edmure…

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    178. mariamb:
      Catspaw Assassin,

      You have become one of my favorite posters on this site. Love the sense of humor that you incorporate into your comments.

      I live in the NY metro area, too. This sounds like a good reason to switch dentists.

      Aww shucks, mariamb, rightbackatcha!

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    179. Ravyn,

      It hasn’t. If Tyrion rides the bench this week, it will be the first time in the history of the series that he’s been absent for two episodes in a row. I think he’ll have a lot of screentime in the last three episodes, so it’s not a big deal, but it’s certainly notable.

      If Tyrion does wind up having a brief scene this week, I think it would be the scene where Varys leaves Meereen, since that needs to happen relatively soon (i.e. before the fragile peace breaks, Meereen goes to hell, and Dany rides in with her khalasar to clean the slavers out). But I suppose Varys could depart early in Episode 8 as well.

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    180. Lady Snow,

      Maybe he’s like Beetlejuice…say his name 3 times, and he appears.

      Ser Arthur Dayne
      Ser Arthur Dayne
      Ser Arthur Dayne

      If I disappear for an hour, or 5, you’ll know it worked.

      mariamb,

      *Walks into Dentist’s office*
      “Hi, my name is mariamb, and I need some extensive drilling.” 🙂

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    181. Simon: The high sparrow however doesn’t seem to be communist

      The Sparrow seems to be some sort of theocrat with delusions of populism.

      The Winter of Bastardfell: What’s next, the reanimated heads of Ned and Robb rolling into the room saying “I’m not dead” and “I’m getting better” (apologies to Monty Python)?

      Well, Jon might have to resort to that when explaining why he should not be considered a deserter from the Night’s Watch! 😀

      (And as the Pythons would tell you, imitation is the sincerest form of television….)

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    182. I think at least a short Meereen/Tyrion scene will be included. I think there are some things from the filming news that need to happen prior to Danaerys returning that probably shouldn’t appear to be immediately before. Keep an eye on the opening credits for Peter’s name and we’ll know before it starts. 🙂

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    183. Jumbo:
      Can someone explain to me why Sansa is there in front of the Wildlings when Tormund and Jon (or maybe not) talk to them? Is she really necessary in that scene? Watch D+D make her do her own speech to the Wildlings because reasons. Ever since she made it to CB, they have felt the need to shove her into every single shot…

      I didn’t see Sansa infront of the Wildlings but could’ve missed it. While she definitely hasn’t had the chance in past seasons, I am actually hoping to get a good “come with us” speech out of this. Her confrontation with Littlefinger is the first time I can remember when we actually got to hear Sansa lay shit down and tell it like it is. A snark and burn here and there is great but to finally get to hear her voice rally support, will only emphasize how far she has come.
      I’m glad to see her interactions with other characters. She looked a bit out of her element during the strategy meeting with Jon, Davos and company (north or not, the Karstarks aren’t going to forget Robb killed their Lord), but I think she was supposed to. Sansa is being given a chance to turn the nightmare she has lived into action. Took a long time to get here but now that she has, I like she is making the most of finally having a voice.

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    184. Jack Bauer 24,

      Season 2 Episode 1 – Pycelle : “The raven arrived from the Citadel this morning your Grace. The conclave has met, considered reports from maesters all over the Seven Kingdoms, and declared this great summer done, at last”.

      Season 6 Episode 6 – Sam, commenting on a very green and summery Reach : “Now that summer’s over, you’ll START to see the autumn colors coming in”.

      Must admit I chuckled a bit at that haha. They haven’t made any effort to make any part of Westeros look cold, aside from the North and the Eyrie. Even Runestone was super summery and green. The Riverlands still look pleasant, KL is balmy as ever.
      For a series that’s gone on and on about Winter coming, we sure ain’t seen it yet.

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    185. The Winter of Bastardfell:
      Simon,
      God, I hope we don’t get LSH with the BwB.It would be too much to have the LSH reveal in the same season with Jon’s resurrection and the appearance of Benhands.The viewers might begin to feel like Stark family deaths are temporary and cheap.What’s next, the reanimated heads of Ned and Robb rolling into the room saying “I’m not dead” and “I’m getting better” (apologies to Monty Python)?

      I have been secretly wanting LSH, but agree that resurrecting/zombie-fying too many (Stark) characters really would cheapen their entire story.

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    186. Clob:
      I think at least a short Meereen/Tyrion scene will be included.I think there are some things from the filming news that need to happen prior to Danaerys returning that probably shouldn’t appear to be immediately before.Keep an eye on the opening credits for Peter’s name and we’ll know before it starts.

      I wonder if McShane’s name will be there.

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    187. imjustsayin,

      I love Bronn and am really looking forward to seeing him again. Just hope him sneaking up on the now battle trained Podrik doesn’t result in an accidental blade to the gut, killing off yet another one of our favorite “less significant” characters (R.I.P. Osha). Since its GOT, guess they all have to go sometime.

      Crazy about Bronn meself, and judging by the preview, there looks to be some dick-swinging going on between Jaime, Bronn, and the Frey Brothers. If so, that should last approximately one half of a second.

      As for Podric, I’m hoping that’s just Bronn trying to get a parlay going between Jaime and Brienne after Jaime realizes he wants nothing to do with the abhorrent Freys and Boltons. Then again, my opinion of Jaime’s emotional evolution might be too optimistic.

      Which makes me wonder if Tormund will eventually off Jaime out of jealousy? Perhaps Tormund will be the Broken-Hearted Man. Boy, have I been there. 😉

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    188. After listening the entire history of westeros. A show about the Targaryan entire dynasty would be way more fascinating. Of course with all the dragons it would be next to impossible.

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    189. Ser Lurk of House Turnip:
      Josh L,

      Gah! Say that to my face. I’m old n from the north. If you wish to be pessimistic go for it lol but I am the eternal optimist.

      Who cares anyway there’s less than an hour to go just watched the play part 2 again and keep meaning to say… If Game of Thrones WAS A Song of Ice & Fire, then this play would be GoT. It’s awesome I love it n can’t wait for the cut bits down the road.

      Nearly there have a good one y’all. WOOH!!!

      Check out Because Geek latest utube video on the play part 2 highlighting the great writing in that scene. Val’s videos always have great insight and humor.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUg3zuXo3cQ

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    190. I need more Lena Headey this ep!!!
      s5 spoiled me so much in that respect…

      i just hope b4 this series is over, she takes the emmy home… but i don’t think she will 🙁

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    191. Rabblais: A few points: Cersei is not Ramsey-like awful. She is a dynast, trying to save her kids. She mourned the dead ones (and, interestingly, she already has three dead ones. She had one with Robert Baratheon).

      Well, Ramsay is a psychopath, plain and simple. Cersei is not a psychopath, but just simultaneously blinded by her own sense of self-superiority AND a lot dumber than her rivals.

      Rabblais: So if Martin does not hand in a manuscript within six months (end of this year) it is likely that Season 8 will be written before Book 6 comes out. ….. Chances are, the end of this season will not be far from the end of Book 6. There are only 13 episodes left afterwards. That means that in terms of writing they’re already working in Book 7.

      I expect that you are correct. We have started to get some of the dramatic reveals (such as the origin of the Walkers), but we probably have a few more. We still have to get the main characters to where they need to be for whatever the Battle of Coriana analog is here. But they have to rapidly gel things together. (That said, this season has gone at a wonderfully intense pace: there has been none of the “dragging” that we’ve seen in prior seasons.)

      Rabblais: And, frankly, I would not bet against George Martin deciding on a Book 8.

      I would. At this point, I will be surprised if Book 7 ever makes it out, given how glacially slow GRRM’s writing pace has become. But assuming that he does live to finish the series, then there is no reason why he cannot wrap this up in two volumes. GRRM just has to stay focused on the story and not get bogged down on gratuitous world-building.

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    192. Anyone else think Jaime won’t receive Brienne warmly? I have a feeling something bad will happen between them.

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    193. Jack Bauer 24,

      No, they never put guest stars in the opening. Unless they make an exception for McShane, which I guess he would be worthy of, but I doubt it. Even people like Diana Rigg aren’t in the opening. The opening is reserved for major characters who are on contract. The Game of Thrones Season 6 wikipedia page has an exhaustive list of them.

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    194. Jack Bauer 24,

      Tbh, I thought Jon’s rez was rather tame (which I kind of appreciate). For the longest time I had the impression they were going to drag out his death all season and then make his rez a huge magic spectacle of some sort. Which come to think of it…now I feel it was too tame and would like some further development.

      There was another fan who posed that maybe it wasnt even Mel that brought him back, but that Jon awoke from death as a result of another x-event we are not aware of yet. Fun to think about!

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    195. Beer Island: A show about the Targaryan entire dynasty would be way more fascinating. Of course with all the dragons it would be next to impossible.

      It would just be a faux documentary lacking any story: there would be no audience for that.

      The show has a chance to go out on real critical high notes. Thrones has overcome the stigma of being an epic fantasy in large part by successfully being a character drama despite having swords, magic and dragons. There are few comparable stories out there like this, but there is a better chance that they will be given shots as TV series if they let this all end when the series is complete. Let some other authors successfully intertwine modern story-telling with fantastic worlds: thanks to this series, such series might have a shot in the future.

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    196. Markus Stark:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      No, they never put guest stars in the opening. Unless they make an exception for McShane, which I guess he would be worthy of, but I doubt it. Even people like Diana Rigg aren’t in the opening. The opening is reserved for major characters who are on contract. The Game of Thrones Season 6 wikipedia page has an exhaustive list of them.

      Would Rory be on there?

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    197. Markus Stark,

      First of all, thank you. It’s good to hear I don’t come off as pissy as I think I may, at times. Yes, being able to have civil discourse, and especially civil debate when opinions differ, is becoming more and more rare, not just here, but all over, it seems, and because of that, when civility happens, it’s all the more welcome.

      Chad Brick: No, the local book-hate club is a specific group of a small handful of people who are constantly trashing the books, GRRM, and “purists”. They are as toxic as Linda and do not make this site a better place.

      Book criticism is fine, but their irrational ranting crosses the line.

      Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

      Moving on…

      Only 20 minutes left…
      Yipee!!!

      *phone…off
      *beverage…obtained
      *buzz…on it’s way
      *toilet…about to be visited.

      I wasn’t about to tell him one of his favorite actors should be appearing tongiht, but I couldn’t help but at least text my step-father and tell him to enjoy the episode. We usually don’t talk until after the episode has already aired, so he suspects something. 🙂

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    198. mariamb,

      My previous dentist, who was superbly detail oriented, looked a bit like Obara Sand. She’s practicing now in northern New Jersey, which is about as exciting as Dorne.

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    199. Catspaw Assassin: there looks to be some dick-swinging going on between Jaime, Bronn,

      🙂 🙂 🙂

      Oh.
      Wait.
      You didn’t mean that literally.

      (sorry, all the mentions of Ser Arthur Dayne [still waiting for the knock on the door], a Jaime look-alike as a Dentist, etc…have my mind even more in the gutter, than usual.

      *angelic smiley*

      Enjoy the episode, everyone…
      See y’all on the flip-side.

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    200. 15 more minutes! Although for some reason I’m not as hyped this weekend as I have been for the other episodes. Maybe because it’ll probably be a calm before the storm kind of episode. I’d be happy to be wrong and see something unexpected tonight though! I think the best chance for this in KL, which is due for something big.

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to see Blackfish back and excited for the possible

      return of the Hound

      and the possible introduction of Lyanna Mormont. I just don’t have the usual nervous and excited feeling 🙁

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    201. ash,

      Fun! Not much GoT stuff, but my son had a blast as Mini Kylo Ren. I repped with my Fire and Blood t shirt (fits me the best). Our tickets were also comp because of my husband’s job, so I didn’t feel rushed to “see” everything. And I saw the red haired doctor lady from Star Trek, and Billie Piper, so for me, I’m happy! I’ll definitely go next year!

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    202. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Yes, I agree very much. That is what I like about this forum. And of course your’e right, we shouln’t derail the thread 🙂

      To get back on track, let me conclude by saying that while show-euron is waaaay different than book-euron, I do enjoy show-aeron so far. Different, but he has an awesome look and the right amount of intensity, his drowning speech was a great dilevery. It doesn’t really matter that the background stories with him and euron are altered or cut and that he’s a very minor character, because the biggetst reason for my wanting Damphair in the show for 5 years now, is that I love how his character adds a layer to the Iron Born culture in showing their religion, as tough and primitive and hard as it is. They did that really well so far in the show.

      One of the best parts of GOT, for me, is how it keeps layers and layers of different cultures, episode by episode and season by season. Like this latest episode Blood on my Blood, we finally see Horn Hill in all its wealth, and it adds to Sams character as well as our general understanding of that area. That is what Aeron Damphair does for the Iron Born arc, he is an example of their culture and mainly religion.

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    203. McShane!! It’s about time. and…. OMG … are you guys going ballistic … THE HOUND
      in a beautiful, peaceful, happy, productive pastoral setting, where everyone looks pleased with how things are going. You know how long that’s going to last, don’t you. THIS IS GAME OF FUCKING THRONES … what an opening

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    204. Marge wearing a tiny crown and covered up modestly, who also apparently hasn’t eased poor Tommen’s desires. Ha, she’s pissed he didn’t get she and Loras out right away.

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    205. Praise be the old gods and the new, that

      Sandor does not have a man bun. My #1 man is back. Waited 2 years for this shit.

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    206. Woohoo loved the scene with Jon and Wun wun! I hope we see the North again at least briefly before it’s over…..Kit is beautiful as ever and has become such a terrific actor I just love him 🙂

      Hell yeah Bear island !!

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    207. They’re conspicuously not asking for any explanation of why Jon isn’t in the Night’s Watch. I’m pretty sure the writers inadvertently wrote out the explanation for this when they omitted Robb’s will.

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    208. Sean C.,

      LOL. It would take up all the conversation. You are correct but I don’t know how you would do it and have any other dialogue. If they did not for Sansa, they won’t for the others IMO

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    209. newbietothegame,

      No, I know what happens in the book but I’m not sure what that has to do with anything.

      Original post says spoiler coding is required BEFORE THE AIRING, not while it’s airing.. While it’s airing, this is a chat about the episode, right? Why would we use spoiler coding

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    210. I wonder who was forging the nails, has hammer returned to the hand once filled by oar?

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    211. Sansa still lying and concealing the truth about the Vale army. She will send Jon into battle with so few men, then wait until he and his forces spill their guts on the battlefield to swoop in with LF and the Valemen to claim all the glory.

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    212. Jumbo,

      Er, actually, she tried to talk Jon out of going into battle, if you were following the scene. He’s the one eager to march on Winterfell with <3000 men.

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    213. Jumbo,

      She’s the darling of many and we must not sully her good name with any criticism :)….*sigh*

      I do hope she tells Jon and Davos. I don’t want the Starks divided and betrayal.

      It’s over! damn that seemed to go by so fast!

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    214. Sean C.,

      She could tell the truth about the Vale. It’d solve their problems. She’d rather keep that vital intel to herself for no goddamn reason

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    215. That scene with Glover and Sansa was INCREDIBLE. She’s still in some ways stuck in the fantasy of loyalty and the value of heritage. The second she started talking about being pledged to House Stark, I love that Jon was like “nooooooooooo.” But good on the show for highlighting that while we love the Starks and we wanted Robb to win, he was naive and selfish when it mattered the most and that cost him. Good for Glover for putting her in her place, as much as I want the Starks to win. She has to know she can’t just demand loyalty.

      Sansa’s education isn’t over yet, but she’s learning.

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    216. Jumbo:
      Sansa still lying and concealing the truth about the Vale army. She will send Jon into battle with so few men, then wait until he and his forces spill their guts on the battlefield to swoop in with LF and the Valemen to claim all the glory.

      It certainly is looking like that. Seriously, what other reason could she have for not telling Jon they can get more men in the form of the Vale army?? Obviously they’re all frustrated in that they couldn’t secure more men. And knowing Jon is set on marching to WF ASAP, why doesn’t she tell him her secret and stop him from marching with so few men? She’s not looking good in my eyes.

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    217. Jumbo,

      I think she thinks Jon will refuse. He JUST refused her thought to go to another house. So she’s trying to get that army there, before Jon refuses, before he asks to many questions. If she NEVER tells him, that’s one thing. But I’m still holding out hope that she will tell him before the battle if the Vale is a real option.

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    218. This episode had a very strange feeling to it, but it was enjoyable.

      When the show started I almost thought they were displaying the wrong show.

      I didn’t expect Arya to be stabbed that badly.

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    219. Wow a rare cold open. I near jizzed my pants at that opening with Ian McShane and the Hound. Really doesn’t get much better than that.

      Wish I had never ventured out onto message boards or comments section and kept my discipline to get the surprise of the Hound. Oh well. It was great to see his return. Was it just me or were the prosthetics a bit off? They looked bad.

      Interesting how they got Ian McShane for that small part, but I’m glad he appeared in the series at all. Had they not been able to secure Charles Dance, he would’ve been an awesome Tywin.

      Overall I enjoyed the episode. Loved the stuff at Riverrun. Jon visiting the different camps was good. King’s Landing stuff was good. The Yara, Theon scene was meh.

      Really interested to see what happens with Arya.

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    220. Decent episode! Seems like it mostly set up things to come. Can’t believe we didn’t get Tyrion for 2 straight episodes!

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    221. Finally Cersei’s I choose Violence will happen in the next episode.

      Not even worried about Arya. The girl is already jumping in the preview for the next episode lol

      Seems like Dany will arrive in Meereen on Drogon’s back? Awesome.

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    222. That was um…..short.

      They’re not asking about Jon’s NW vows. Did he strip off camera? 😛

      Sansa mistrusting Davos annoys me. Like seriously….he saved Jon’s life. Get over yourself in this matter, girl! When will she tell Jon about LF and the Vale?

      Lyanna Mormont is a boss!

      Glovers getting their castle back with Bolton’s help…did not expect that. Brilliant!

      Were Mel and Ghost busy feeding the horses and ravens?

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    223. Worst episode of the season so far – it wasn’t terrible, just not good.

      When does Jon really return from the dead?

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    224. Nadia,

      I agree. Someone actually told the truth about Robb, he put his desire ahead of what was best for his kingdom and its people and he lost and they lost. That’s what the North thought about Talisa. Roose Bolton made sure that most of the Northern houses except for them lost most of the men sent with Robb. They probably don’t know that so the blame for the whole King in the North fiasco is hung on Robb.

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    225. Really, the BwB were the ones responsible for that Quiet Isle massacre? Really? Really? Really? WtF?

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