We’ve been waiting for this for a while now and it’s finally here- the poster for the fifth season of Game of Thrones! Courtesy of HBO:
Sue the Fury: Well, what do you think? Very interesting choice to feature Tyrion with a dragon.
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Seems like they recycled stills from Drogon attacking the goats last season and same for Tyrion probably, looks like it might be a still from his trial.
Bit disappointing honestly, although it’s a cool composition.
Interesting and intriguing.
My head just exploded. Do I spot Lannister clothes on Tyrion? Interesting.
Much more memorable then the Season 4 one. I would have loved a Stannis one more though (grmbl)
Yes! Of monsters and dwarves….simple, loaded, imagery. Doesn’t fit the pattern of previous posters though..Hmmm…
Kind of looks like he is pissing.
If they are going off book and having D and T meet, I’m kinda for this. Their near miss was frustrating in ADWD for me.
Not bad. Now let’s have another trailer!
Photoshop > Season 4 shots > copy > paste > add fog.
Regardless of my own grudge against this season, I personally think this is the best poster since season 1.
What is up with the mist? There is no mist in Mereen, its f0kn warm there!
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This is tantalizingly awesome! We need another trailer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s fuckin’ awesome if
Like I just said in the other thread, it’s absolutely horrible. Shots from the actual previous season, + it looks horrible. So far every poster has hinted towards the book titles, (throne, crown, dragon+swords, raven+swords). This is just daft, they can’t sell this on the DVD. Really hope it’s just a teaser.
Admittedly I’m not bowled over by the poster. I like it fine, I’m not in love with it. The shot of the dragon is too familiar and it all feels a little lazy. I honestly can think of several fandom graphic artists who have made better posters.
And a reminder in advance to cover your spoilers- yes, even the ones potentially alluded to in the poster.
Looks like their encounter is in the ocean, so could be ocean mist/fog away from Mereen
Why is there a toddler at the bow?
I hope D&D avoid more child murder this season!
There is no pattern and in my opinion it is quite similiar to the season 1 one.
I don’t think it’s meant to be a literal, physical encounter;
It’s ok I guess. Don’t like the use of season 4 Drogon. Comes off as lazy.
Incredibly lazy poster, as the shot of Drogon is taken from exactly this season 4 screennshot: http://i.imgur.com/YM0st6q.jpg
Since he will be even bigger in season 5, I do not understand why they would use his S4 look for S5 promo. Also, why is Tyrion wearing his fancy Lannister outfit? He hasn’t worn it since his imprisonment in S4, so he will not be wearing it this season.
I still need time to take this in and form a proper opinion and figure out how I’m going to fix it this year, but I’m going to go ahead and give them at least some props for using the whole logo instead of that awful GoT nonsense from last year and hey, at least the “noise filter” obsessed person didn’t work on it this year.
Progress? but yeah, it does seem a little lazy.
for me is the only thing that matters to them! favorite fan!e Everyone loves to tyrion and Dany for HBO is Only thing to mattes!
Holy crap what a piece of shit. No way is that going on my wall.
Faceless Frey,
oh thank god you’re here.
at least there’s no green gradient. though we do have this fog business.
It looks great!
First time since S1 we have character on poster…..
Sue the Fury,
I like the poster but I admit, it looks like took minimal effort to create. Copy paste of two season 4 scenes. Best poster is still pensive Boromir sitting on the iron throne
It seems like a big step up from the last couple of seasons of posters
however they have yet to top the iconic season 1 poster
http://elvortex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/game-of-thrones-season-4.jpg
Dragonslayer,
A few threads back, PatchyFace and I discussed this. There are swords on each past season poster, and as ToT mentioned above, there have been debatable references to the book titles in previous posters.
They are hyping Dany and Tyrion meeting!
Pathfinder,
That’s exactly what I was thinking…
It’s a recycled image of Drogon attacking the goats and Tyrion on trail…
That sucks, they didn’t think we’d notice that?
So what? They need to work 2 years on poster to be good?
This is not Tyrion on trail… His hair was longer then..
Lots of fog on
Oh my. Just sayin’.
mau,
No but I would prefer if they took more than 5 minutes
We, in Florida, where it is warm, actually happen to get fog sometimes. Warm climate does not preclude 100% humidity where in fact humidity is super high most of the time anyway.
I love the poster concept, although I agree that the components are lazily recycled and familiar. Can’t wait can’t wait can’t wait.
Dark-Stark,
It’s not. It’s lifted from a shot during his court trial. Just as the dragon is lifted from when Drogon burnt some sheep.
Anwyay. Cool idea, shitty execution. The poster is horrible.
Love this. A lot (though I am an unabashed book 5 fan).
I don’t mind Tyrion’s pretty Lannister clothes- that’s still the outfit I best remember him wearing. If you want to get symbolic about it, the Tyrion I know and love is traveling down foggy water toward the Dragons in the East. Drogon being slightly obscured by the fog serves to underscore the idea that the West is only slowly starting to grasp the reality of the dragons. Drogon is emerging from the fog physically on the poster as he will emerge themeatically from the fog of myth for one of the story’s most skeptical characters. There’s a LOT that I love about this poster.
rex,
Season 2 poster was awesome and had great imagery , this looks rehashed and patched up , if this is the official poster i’d be really dissapointed.
Turncloak,
well in fairness they only took a couple of seconds on the season 3 poster lol
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130226161555/gameofthrones/images/8/83/GOT-S3-Dragon-Poster.jpg
what a piece of crap
Great, I’m giving you 5 minutes to make a poster of this quality….
Kind of awful in quality/effort but it might succeed in making a few people go OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIII…
I can dig it. Maybe a bit spoilery, but it will stoke out show watchers, and with Vary’s line from the trailer they are kind of giving this away anyway….
Subject choice fine. Good to see characters on the poster. The smoke/fog means the spine of the DVD will be greyish again, so now there is REALLY no pattern to them. Boo. Was it lazy to use old images? Perhaps, but also avoids spoiling anything. They are well aware that we are here, microanalyzing everything about the show, so who can blame them for taking the safest route with the image? But,…
WE NEED A TRAILER PLEASE!
GeekFurious,
Yep. I guess the average fan would think this is an awesome poster, but the obvious cut and paste laziness just takes all the awesome away. Couldn’t they bother using a new Drogon at least?
Extremely serious words
Sister Kisser,
Yes! I’m looking forward to his journey as well.
That would be like using dead Robb Stark on S3 poster…
Ashara D,
They could have continued the pattern of the past seasons , none of them gave anything away.
ace,
It’s not actually going to happen, you know. It’s just for the poster.
Completely agreed!
Looks actually quite nice, but is VERY recycled – it’s okay, but lazy.
I LOVE IT. This poster did exactly what it was supposed to do: build excitement for season 5! Can’t wait!!!!
GeekFurious,
You are the worst lol
mau,
No, but this is just too jarringly obvious. As if they had to put it together in 15 minutes. The idea is great, but the execution is just plain lazy. You should expect more from the people behind this budget buster.
shinobishaw,
I agree with you. Although they did basically take two scenes from season 4 and add some fog it has more of a meaning then that. Tyrion will be the first person from the West to actually see the Dragons in the show, everyone else so far just kind of blows it off even though they acknowledge the threat in the show. I dig it, i’d buy it. Also it makes Unsullied all jacked up about Tyrion meeting Dany. And of course Drogon is from last year, they’re not gonna show how big he is this season on a poster.
Also there’s gotta be more posters coming, I feel like the past couple years they always have character posters. Remember last year the big one was with the Crow and Swords but then they had all the Valar Morgulis ones.
Ah, the annual tradition of complaining about the official poster for the new season of Game of Thrones is here! 😉 Every year, like clockwork. It’s more reliable than the turning of the seasons – especially in Westeros. The premiere is coming …
All kidding aside, I understand why some people are underwhelmed. The overall concept of the poster- juxtaposing Tyrion and the dragon – is extremely cool, and it will certainly get casual viewers excited about the new season. From a strictly utilitarian perspective, that’s all it has to do. I happen to like the poster myself, but as a piece of art, I have to admit that it’s not especially vivid. I think that if they had given us a brand-new image of Drogon rather than using one that’s so obviously recycled from Season 4, then people might be responding a bit more positively. Oh well.
All Game of Thrones posters looks amateur-ish to be honest…..they sucks except for the first one with Ned.
mau,
Not if it was mostly a silhouette… And failing that they should have just scrapped the idea entirely. As is, the poster comes off really really cheap.
I like this. It’s a striking image. Sure, it’s cobbled together from previous footage (boo hoo, welcome to marketing), but it’s an appropriate tease for what’s to come.
Tyrion and Daenerys crossing paths. CAN’T WAIT.
Maybe we will be getting some character posters soon. I hope to see Roose Bolton included in them.
Lot’s of unneeded rage over this poster. I’ll save my rage for my purist reactions to actual show changes/interpretations. That and for the fact that the show will finish before the book. Damnit!
While I do like the poster, I was expecting something more… This is a bit lazy and spoilery! Makes me wonder what the tagline of the season will be… Fire and Blood maybe?
In my opinion, nothing on that poster looks cheap. You can say that using dragon from S4 is cheap move, but doesn’t mean that poster looks cheap, because dragons in every season look very very expensive.
Justice has a price
source: trailer
Season 2’s one is still my most favourite, this was beautiful and very well done!
My thoughts exactly.
Leather wings flapping in the mist.
My most favorite poster and tagline are form S4….
my least favorite poster is S3.. and tagline wrom S3 didin’t exist?
I buy the sigil cover Blu-Rays, so I don’t really care that much. It wouldn’t be a GOT season without fans shitting on the official poster. Season 1 was cool, so was season 4, after the background was changed to black. But it’s been 3 years running now that many people have hated the official poster. It’s become a tradition.
They’re not going to use an image of Stannis who is not even considered one of the main characters. Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) is arguably the face of Game of Thrones, if nothing else, the most famous/recognizable actor of the bunch since season 2. Of course they’re going to use him for the lead promo poster. I’m sure they’ll throw out more as the premiere nears with other characters. I personally would love to see Stannis become a big deal this season. Hopefully D & D meant it when they said they were going to take full advantage of having Stephen Dilane and use the hell out of Stannis this year. Need Max Screen Time, bro!
umuckurlife,
Direct some(most) of it at George.
Poster from the first season causes nostalgia. And people have trouble adapting to something new. At first.
I quite like it myself. It’s not out of this world, but I don’t really care that much to be honest, and I don’t really know why people do.
Like a couple of others have said, every year people moan and whine. The most important season poster was the first season one, and that was both incredible, and the best one.
Most people probably won’t notice that it is made up of recycled images (I didn`t). Besides I would rather get to see how big Drogon has got in the actual episode, rather than get spoiled by a poster. I would hope that they update it for the DVD release though.
Crazy thought:
I do sort of wish we got a new Drogon picture, but I like the idea behind it.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
ace,
Well, also its just a promotional poster. Nothing to suggest its an actual scene. We never saw the S4 raven made out of swords. Symbolism 😉
Hate to say it, but all their posters are lazy. First season one was actually quite good with Ned on the throne but it just seems to get lazier and lazier each yet. Not to say that they’re bad posters, but they could be much, much better. This one looks cool but they clearly just reused photos from the show (Tyrion in his outfit he wore as a prisoner, clearly with handcuffs still on, dragon shot from when the dragon gets the goat). All the detail they put into everything, the posters are the one thing they put no detail or energy in. The raven one last year was cool but also lazy, could’ve been WAY better. Same with the dragon from season 3, just seemed lazy. Good ideas, poor execution. It does look good, better than most show posters, but just not the type of quality you’d come to expect from this show.
Jeb,
Good call on not wanting to see s5 Drogon until an actual episode he appears in. If I had my way,
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Yea. Honestly, if the show didn’t exist, I would be FULLY on the “leave George alone” bandwagon. When George made the decision to let the show be made, however, that was like an unwritten commitment to finishing the source material before D&D have to go off and finish the show on their own.
This is just an unfortunate situation for all of us entitled pricks.
mau,
This has nothing to do with nostalgia, the Season 1 poster is far better than the following four. It came as no surprise that this poster is not even close to it.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
James,
“It does look good, better than most show posters”
Not sure about that to be honest….haha
In my opinion, it is because of nostalgia. That’s how people always reacted . I know those who say that the old book’s coveres were better than the new ones. Simply, it is nothing new.
Human nauture.
Why “season 1 poster is far better than the following four”? Ned is just siting on the IT. Nothing special.
Why is that so much better than Tyrion looking at the dragon?
Yep, yep! Tyrion is heading towards his true destiny. Dragons, in the form of Drogon, coming towards him to welcome him there. The story is on its descending (wrap-up) arc – just past mid-point. It’s very simple, but loaded. I like it!
Add
and it would be perfect, even though it wouldn’t really make much sense being with Tyrion and Drogon. We are getting
this season anyway.
mau,
I thought the trailers for Season 1 were pretty bad but now they are always very good (well except the song in the last one)
trust me it’s not nostalgia.
I just do not see big quality difference between Ned , who is siting on the throne and Tyrion looking at the dragon…
Best poster is still the all black version of the season 4 one.
I’m continually amazed that people give much thought at all or have strong feelings about a poster for a season of a TV show.
But there it is.
Thinking about it now and it reminds me of the Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies poster except, you know not as exciting.
http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies-poster.jpg
mau,
I don’t think it’s that bad, it’s just an average poster for an awesome show. That’s probably why people are frustrated, they expect more.
Phyllis Ashley,
Yes, any place next to an ocean will get “fog.” They are called “marine layers.” Day to night temperature gradients will cause them if there is not a decent breeze.
Faceless Frey,
The difference is that the Game of Thrones one feels empty. Too much whiteness and no tagline. JUST FILL OUT THE POSTER WITH A LOT OF GOOD STUFF.
Jared,
To which I would add: who cares? This will have zero effect on viewership. Nobody will judge an old show like this one way or another by a poster.
The problem is that they (some die–hard fans) don’t know what they want . Every season, they expect “something” .
In the first season they didn’t expect anything and that’s why they liked it.
The laziness of this poster is just about at the same level as the laziness of the writing last season.
OrtMeyer just posted this link in another thread:
http://i.imgur.com/lJ0DGdm.png
A useful side by side comparison of season 1-4 blu ray/DVD covers plus a mock up of how season 5 might look. It really shows the quality of season 1 compared to the rest – I would have liked a season 1 style border on each one. I think the season 5 one could work with a bit of tinkering, though as it stands there’s a bit too much white space for my liking.
Maybe if the dragon was bigger.
So that the eye was first caught up in it, and only after awhile noticed Tyrion on the prow below. As it is it feels a little incomplete.
Ozymandias,
That’s kind of what I was thinking if I was going to try and fix it. Warm it up a bit, try and find a season five shot of Tyrion. Move the dragon down and add a tagline above it. Maybe “Vengeance, Justice, Fire and Blood.”
I’ve got to do some image searching and thinking.
That’s what I always find with their posters. They usually lack content, which is part of why they feel lazy. Also because usually we can tell exactly how it was made which is no different here. Grab shots from season four and add fog because they don’t want to have to worry about cutting out the dragon from the old image. I just desperately want to be in these crits when they talk about these poster concepts at HBO of they even have them. Sometimes I feel like they go to some intern and say, here’s some elements, get something to me in two hours. I don’t know. They just usually feel underwhelming.
its interesting in the fact since Season 1, they’ve not gone with a specific character as the main poster. With using Sean Bean is the main person, it gave you the impression that he was the most important character/lead person so it was all the more shocking for non-book readers when he was beheaded. Tyrion has always been an important character and GRRM has admitted he’s his favorite but this combined with Tyrion’s comment in the trailer about him never sitting on the throne does make you wander if they’re implying that
Or maybe they don’t put as much thought into these things as we do and just thought it was a cool look. Personally I would have preferred if it wasn’t recycled images.
Xanth,
But not half as lazy as the recycled opinions spewed by many book fundamentalists.
What exactly was lazy about the writing in season 4? Even if you’re not a fan, that’s a poor word choice to describe the writing. Now, there is another writer related to this series where the term lazy would apply. Some guy named Geoff…no George, that’s his name.
I love the concept but the use of obvious season 4 elements just throws me off. It’s not that I think it’s cheap or lazy, I actually think it’s quite well made. It’s the fact that I can only see it as something promoting season 4 not season 5 even though I know what they’re trying to do. It is a season 4 poster.
Archmaester,
Somehow I like the season 1 poster the least. I would sort them like that 2 (the best poster), 4 (the black DVD one), 5, 3, 1.
Archmaester,
Season 4 cover, with a black background, is great. None of these are as good as the sigil covers, though.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Yes I do like the season 4 and 2 covers, I just think Season 1 is the best. I kind of wish I had bought sigil covers instead of the standard ones as I remember seeing some Season 2 sigil covers and they looked great. I don’t recall seeing any for season 4 though, are there any new sigils?
Faceless Frey,
So much wasted potential…..it’s a tad bit frustrating.
Archmaester,
Yeah, I got the Martell cover for season 4. Tyrell was also a new one that was available. Season 1 was actually the only season that I didn’t get a sigil cover, but I wish I would have. Right now I have the Lannister,Targaryen, and Martell covers. I wish I had the Stark cover for season 1. Hopefully Stannis’ sigil will be available for season 5.
It’s better than 2,3 and 4, but not close to the great season one poster.
I personally wished the poster had focused on Dorne.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Just googled it, the martell cover looks pretty sweet. A Greyjoy option would be nice as well, and possibly Night’s Watch for the final season if it’s all about the war against the others.
tyjon,
Speaking of Dorne, I did make this a month or so ago.
http://i.imgur.com/XNVRHQJ.jpg
It’ll get some folks frothing as Tyrion and dragons are what most people who watch the show casually want the most. Didn’t do much for me other than indicate the direction Tyrion is heading in (dressed in his Lannister attire apparently). Doubt they’ll actually meete. Best we’ll get is him witnessing one flying overhead…until Daznaks.
When I look this poster it all makes sense
Book 1 – A Game of Thrones, Season 1 poster – The Irion Throne
Book 2 – A Clash of Kings, Season 2 – Crown(king=crown)
Book 3 – A Storm of Swords – Season 3 and 4 poster – swords
Book 4 and 5 – A Feast for Crows and A Dance with dragons – Season 4 and 5 poster – crow and dragon
mau,
Um, there isn’t a crow in that picture!
raven?
All I’m gonna say is last year when we got that same shot of dragon in the foreshadowing it really spoilt the drogon shocker for me in the show so I hope they don’t show us big scary drogon till we see him in the show
However I do find this poster cool
I like the poster. It’s simple, the imagery allows the mind to wander, and, recycled, or not, I love Drogon hovering over all of it. I’m guessing the Unsullied will really like it.
Ok, that’s a pretty cool poster. But D & D are still hacks :p
mau,
S5 has the first “cover” without a sword! I’m worried!
(not really)
Season 3 was just a dragon silhouette though. Where are the swords.
I admit, it doesn’t look as horrible on my laptop as it did on my iPhone, but there’s still some big issues with it.
“They can’t show Drogon from this season, cause that’d ruin it, or be a spoiler”. Well, that isn’t the issue at all here. The issue is that it’s reused, and that it doesn’t fit into the picture at all. We’ve already had a dragon poster, and they are used to advertise all the time. Besides, they could’ve made some great art of Drogon without spoiling or reusing, something better than the S3 art but NOT recycled either. At least the picture on S1 was so heavilty edited that it was another style entirely, and it was all one photo. This is just lazily edited in.
The bottom part is fairly cool, but the top just seems out of style, out of place. Another thing is its use as anything else than a poster. For example, I can’t imagine websites like HBO nordic using this on as the banner on their page, it’s so unadaptable and unattractive. S3 looked unattractive at times too, but at least it was simple, so simple that it could be used in several ways.
Personally, I think that no posters after S1 should feature a character, since Ned was the lead of S1, and after that we really don’t have any main leads. Ned was special, and the manner of his demise was special, because it changed the story drastically. I think the posters for later seasons showed that. The show expanded to many more characters, and it stopped focusing on one. Dinklage is the most known and perhaps most liked character at this point, but he’s only one main character. It just seems wrong using him after three seasons of having everyone missing from the posters. It’s not my biggest complaint, but I really think they should’ve kept it up with abstract or awesome-looking posters, without characters.
I’m fine with some production flaws and some subjective flaws in the show, but really HBO, this is damn simple. Of course this is subjective as well, but I’ve never felt so strongly about this before. Yes, the S3 poster had it’s flaws and the S4 poster wasn’t spectacular, but a wonderful poster with a photoshopped Drogon in it? Really?
Of the Night,
http://i.imgur.com/lJ0DGdm.png
It was on the DVD and some of the other posters. + they had a seperate header for the FB page with just the three swords. I really liked the sword thing they added because it continued the book referencing.
How do we know that it’s re-used? One shot of Drogon swooping in is going to look very much like another. And why doesn’t it fit into the picture?
I see a lot of completely subjective whining here with no practical or meaningful basis. Seriously, why does anybody care? Nobody is dumb enough to think that the quality of a poster has any bearing on the quality of a show.
Cool.
More from the IGN interview. Liam and CARICE.
I like it. It’s obvious in the show way but it still conveys that excitement of Tyrion’s journey to dragons/Dany
I love the show’s dragons and Tyrion to equally high amounts, but that’s a lazy, cheap-looking composite indeed…
Thank God for the season 3 poster it makes everything else look good. When I look at the dvd covers of all the seasons at the same time, I have to cover the season 3 one with my hand because it doesnt fit with the rest at all. I might have OCD that started because of the season 3 poster.
Season 5 blu-ray http://i.imgur.com/lJ0DGdm.png
Wimsey,
It’s obviously exactly the same shot of Drogon that we saw in several trailers and the pasture scene. It was the money shot of Season 4.
The added fog masks the pasture, the little boy/girl, and the goat running into the foreground.
Tyrion’s shot is clearly from his trial. You can tell he is shackled, and he is still wearing Lannister garb.
Wimsey,
It doesn’t matter if it is actually photoshopped from the Drogon shot or not. It looks identical, he has the exact same pose. Of course the fitting is subjective, but to me the styles and the colors doesn’t match at all. Imagine removing Drogon and putting the text there instead. That was definitely the original draft, and what makes sense. Then they probably decided they needed something more exciting, so they lowered the text and added Drogon.
Of course it matters, and of course it doesn’t matter for the quality of the show itself. That DVD will forever look hideous though, and the poster could be a big turn-off. If it looks sloppy it’s going to change the impression of an otherwise beautiful show. It’ll still be a great season, but with the face means a lot. An awesome poster does wonders. A mediocre poster can create a temporary “meh” attitude towards the show, if you’re a causual fan. And trust me, that attitude can be enough for them to end up not watching it, or finally decide that House of Cards and BB is so much better.
Either way, glad some people seem thrilled by it. I guess I’ll have to photoshop a version without Drogon and with the text there instead, so I’ll be happy too.
One of the dragon’s 3 heads, yo.
Ok, I’ve actually warned up to it quite a bit. Still think it might have been even better without Drogon completely, and I don’t like that it’s the exact Drogon shut from last years still, but I like it.
And I’m definitely a fan of the ‘character’ posters. I would have loved to have had a season 3 cover with Jaime, a season 2 cover with Arya, etc. than random swords dragons etc.
I hate it. It reminds me too much of the season 3 poster and that is just lazy.
I wish they would do something a little more artistic and feature more of the cast in the posters instead of just a single image- something more like these- http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/16/MPW-8295
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lobe12q0zy1qlb1mfo1_400.jpg
This one is at least better than the last 2 horrible ones but still the only poster I’ve really liked has been season 1.
GeekFurious,
whats your point? go do something better
TorbofThrones,
go to bed ya negative fck
TorbofThrones,
Fair enough, hadn’t seen that version before, only this one..
http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/game-of-thrones-season-3-poster1.jpg
Where is the penis?
Also, who gives a fuck about posters anyway? This ain’t 1985 Christy Brinkley.
Not crazy about this one – seems pretty lazy and misleading. But if HBO decided to sink the bucks into production instead, okay by me.
Rygar,
You see what happens Rygar, you see what happens when you f*** a stranger in the ass!
You see what happens when you find a stranger in the alps!*
OrtMeyer,
😀
Rygar,
It’s obscured by the mist, but if you look very closely, you can see it.
I like it. Dramatic, and builds on last season’s (small) dragon shadow. Next season better be a big ol’ dragon face eating someone.
I don’t get it
Rygar,
You were only suppose to blow the bloody doors off!
Wimsey,
Exactly. I think by now it should be obvious that HBO’s marketing strategy for the show and the show’s potential, both creatively and economically, aren’t correlated in any way whatsoever. Game of Thrones is such a self-sustaining phenomenon at this stage of its life that HBO honestly doesn’t need to do any significant marketing for it all beyond announcing the premiere date. Everything else is gravy. We parse the trailers and argue about the quality of the official poster because, as frequent visitors to this website, we’re far more engaged than the average viewer. But when April 12 comes, we’ll be doing the exact same thing that millions of fans around the world, casual and obsessive alike, will be doing – watching the show. And loving it (well, most of us anyway).
The Last time a main character appeared in a poster died in that season
Keep your fingers crossed guys
5 seasons of GOT without the Blu-ray logo: http://i.imgur.com/2d1JfHG.png
Robert B,
Dat dragon gon eat tyron.
If that was for me, there’s nothing to get. I was just trying to see if I could get you to stare at the poster for a long time looking for a penis in the mist. 🙂
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Lol. No it was for Oscar Meyer Weiner.
Photochopping S4 doesn’t seem right. All it does is remind me of The Sight. If you hate it, you can hang mine on your wall instead:
http://i.picasion.com/resize79/9dea369df8e94b4905814947043c883f.jpg
I love it, even with 3 images from last years show. In fact it makes it more interesting to me.
In a way it is the 3 major beats to the finale of S4: 1) Drogon eating the child and still being ‘out there’. 2) Tyrion’s trial and his escape. 3) Arya leaves Westeros and sails to Braavos (the ship).
Works for me 🙂
Jared,
You can parse my penis.
I like the poster just fine. Might just be a teaser poster and not the main one for the upcoming season…who knows? Even if it is, what exactly is it that makes it so mediocre?! For the Sullied who have read “A Dance With Dragons” it is a reminder and perhaps a hint at something that will be on the show but was not in the book, and for the Unsullied it might be a teaser as to what is to come.
What is sad to see, it’s how fucking spoiled and just straight out douchy some fans have become. There was a time when we were grateful for anything to do with the show. Now everyone posts their “disdain” and “dissapointment” with everything show related because it has now become cool to have this devil may care attitude, yeah I like the show…but at the same time I don’t give a shit on it…see how cool I am?!
No one says you have to be a blind automaton and just lap up everything the show and HBO throw our way, and no one says you have to love or even love the poster. But if your are going to post something to the contrary, give some valid reasons and not just a brainfart with the express intention of just being an asshole!
See this is one reason why sometimes these communities are just such a fucking turn-off!
Don’t know why you guys are saying
From ADwD, while Tyrion is in the foggy sorrows:
Too rich, thought Tyrion, too beautiful. It is never wise to tempt the dragons. The drowned city was all around them. A half-seen shape flapped by overhead, pale leathery wings beating at the fog. The dwarf craned his head around to get a better look, but the thing was gone as suddenly as it had appeared.
boats and goats, boats and goats, gotta have me my boats and goats
– Drogon
Rygar,
That sounds like something extremely painful that couldn’t possibly result in children. And it would probably ruin your chances with Sue. You still want to go through with it?
Elmo Tully,
Are you ready for some world class incineration?
Colty,
Thx for the reminder. 🙂 Can’t wait for the Sorrows!
Sue the Fury,
I am with you. This poster has “the deadline’s in 1 hour” written all over it.
KG,
Sounds like the essay I’m writing.
(No, the poster couldn’t possibly be THAT shitty).
Season 2 Poster >>>>>>>>>>> Season 1 Poster
loco73,
Denial: “Might just be a teaser poster and not the main one for the upcoming season…who knows?”
GoT doesn’t do teaser posters.
Anger: “What is sad to see, it’s how fucking spoiled and just straight out douchy some fans have become. There was a time when we were grateful for anything to do with the show. Now everyone posts their “disdain” and “dissapointment” with everything show related because it has now become cool to have this devil may care attitude, yeah I like the show…but at the same time I don’t give a shit on it…see how cool I am?!”
This time did not exist. People ragged on the Season 3 poster just as they do this one. What you may be seeing an increase of is book readers lamenting show changes, something that you’ll probably only see more of.
Bargaining: “No one says you have to be a blind automaton and just lap up everything the show and HBO throw our way, and no one says you have to love or even love the poster. But if your are going to post something to the contrary, give some valid reasons and not just a brainfart with the express intention of just being an asshole!”
That’s the thing about any art form. Sometimes people just do or don’t like it.
Depression: “See this is one reason why sometimes these communities are just such a fucking turn-off!”
People have differing opinions in every community.
Acceptance: Keep calm and enjoy the ride 🙂 It’s about to get really bumpy but it’s still fun.
Season 2 poster was the worst. Season 5 trailer song was the worst. Made the show seem so cheesy.
No. In no way was it worse than the Third, by any measure.
Colty,
Oh my, YES! I love that imagery I hadn’t even thought of that but there it is 🙂
Yivo, At least the third one was adaptable.
Greenjones,
🙂 I’m sure we’ve ALL been in that situation lol
Don’t like it. Don’t understand it either. The last the audience saw of Tyrion he was in a box, not to mention HBO has already shown the audience through the trailer a disheveled Tyrion no longer in Lannister gold. So I don’t really understand why they’d use an old Tyrion photoshop as if he’s just trotting around free on the ship in his gold. I suppose that is nit-picking on my part and it’s obviously not a massive deal, but I don’t like it.
The season build up and promotional for season 5 has been dreadful and the worst thus far in the series run. That being said, I’m okay with it if they put that money into the season and to be honest it’s such a success I don’t think a high promotional campaign is needed anymore.
Season 5 bluray (updated version) http://i.imgur.com/0SssctV.png
Honestly, it might make for a better bluray cover than a poster.
Okay, by no means am I saying that I solved it, because this one is way harder to fix than last year’s. At least last year, I had a clearer idea of what I wanted to do.
In any case, first I attempted to do something slightly outside my skill set/didn’t want to spend the time really trying to perfect it, which created a slight photoshop travesty, but I tried. http://i.imgur.com/fNLVwhl.jpg
The second version came out a little better: http://i.imgur.com/xZYhy4n.jpg
Basically, I redid the dragon so that it was more defined and more actually looking at Tyrion. I added the “Vengeance, Justice, Fire and Blood” tagline, which I feel like whether or not it gets said this season, kind of fits what I feel like the overall theme will be. I also just painted Tyrion’s clothing to look like his season five costume since a proper shot did not exist. And I warmed up all of the colors so it felt a little less dreary and anemic.
It was an attempt anyway. Still trying to think of alternative poster ideas.
Faceless Frey,
I like it, good work!
Yeah ok…
I like it a lot. Who cares how it was put together. And the mist is clearly symbolic of the tate Tyrion has found himself in.
LOL, you guys are so predictable. Everywhere else on the internet, fans are really excited by the poster. But I knew, as soon as I clicked on this thread, that there would be almost nothing but bashing and complaining about it on here.
Well now we know how the Season 5 bluray cover looks like
It works just fine. Most people looking at this thing are going to think “Yay dragons!” and move on with their day.
I thought it was fanmade 😐
Season 2 and 4 posters>>>>>>>
Faceless Frey,
Both of these are way better than the original, imo. In the end of the day it dosen’t really matter all much, but I really don’t get why HBO dosen’t put a little more effort in some of the posters. – I mean, give me a little time and the material and I could probably make something like this… Hire a real digital artist and he/she will pump out something amazing in a day.
Is a general audience that watched season 4 once likely to notice (or care) that the shot of Drogon is taken from that season? No. Probably not. Better to judge this on the design, rather than the details, and I agree that it’s pretty mediocre. Though probably very intriguing for casual fans.
Faceless Frey,
This shows how lazy they are. You made it so much better in a few hours.
Faceless Frey,
Really like your second version (first was a big improvement over original). Just one suggestion – remove the period after “blood”. Just think it would look cleaner- thank goodness you’re around!
OrtMeyer,
It doesn’t look bad on the Blu ray cover – poster is pretty nondescript though
Faceless Frey,
Nice work! In both your versions there’s much more of a connection between the foreground and the dragon. If HBO didn’t intend to suggest such a connection, then they should have chosen something else for the poster.
Also, you improved on a big problem with the original version: fog just lowers the contrast (and colour saturation) – it does not render details less sharp! I believe this is what makes the original look so “cheap” to many people’s eyes.
The person who does these horrible posters should be named and held accountable!
2 recycled images of Tyrion and Drogon from season 4 and some fog???? Really?
The irony of it is that the unsullied will think it means big interaction between Ty and Dany next season while we sullied know he will spend 9 episodes traveling and counting turtles and when he finally does get to her it will be for 4 minutes posing as a slave before she flies off …[/sspoiler]
#affcfiller
Ser Dosser,
FFing hell, put some spoiler tags will you?????
Faceless Frey,
You mention working on last year’s one. I’d love to see it (and any previous years’ too if you did them).
Drogon watching Tyrion have a wank off the front of the ship yo…. see how his eyes light up , Shay must have been right about Tyrion being big , Dragon sized O_o
Huh. Remember the Alex Graves “controversy” a few days ago? Look at what the main GoT wiki administrator did with this non-issue. It’s worse than WiC’s article on it in how disingenuous it is.
And in a wiki! Editorializing so hard. I won’t edit him because he bans you if you do, but this is utterly ridiculous.
Let’s see:
“Graves’s handling of the Season 4 finale omitted any mention of Tysha” implies that was his fault or responsibility, which is ridiculous. He didn’t write the script, and this following sentence, which tries to justify it, is simply false: “It was actually Alex Graves himself who actively pushed to remove any mention of Tysha in the Season 4 finale, and he was the driving force behind removing any mention of Tysha as the main reason why Tyrion kills his father.” He does NOT say that in the commentary track. He says he’s a fan of the change and reacted positively to it. He certainly wasn’t the “driving force” behind it. That is FALSE. Also, though this is another matter entirely, if Tysha was going to be included and have the intended emotional effect, she shoud’ve been mentioned and DISCUSSED way more than she ever was, which obviously also was out of Graves’s hands.
Oh, and come on, the placement of the fact that he is not returning, just after all the “controversy” is explained in detail? “The Dragon Demands” expect us to assume it doesn’t have implications that they fired him? And it’s not just placement: “Alex Graves was not asked to return as a director in Season 5, for reasons not overtly stated.” Again, FALSE. False in so many ways. We don’t know whether he was asked to return or not. In fact, the evidence points to it being his decision, since he DID give reasons for his decision (DECISION) not to return: burnout. Which is understandable, after directing almost half the season, and 2 episodes in season 3. That statement is plainly false, and particularly egregious in its placement and implication.
And he’s quoting reviewers, now. In a wiki. And AngryGoTFan, too, not just anyone. Yes, the source for this supposedly mature criticism of Graves includes him calling Graves a “STUPID IDIOT” and (“jokingly”, of course) threatening to torture him. It’s absolutely disgusting, yet apparently “The Dragon Demands” considers him a reputable source. Oh, and of course, he edited AngryGoTFan’s lines so that it seems they come from a level-headed individual, instead of a raging fan writing in all-caps. This is the real quote:
“FOR MR GRAVES TO HAVE SO MUCH SAY OVER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PLOT AND HOW THESE AMAZING CHARACTERS ARE DEPICTED ON SCREEN WHILE HE COMPLETELY DISREGARDS AND OUTRIGHT MOCKS THE BOOKS IS MORE THAN SIMPLY STUPID – ITS OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Not the same, is it? Oh, and the other wonderful gem:
“I WANT TO WATERBOARD HIM SO MUCH!!!!!!!!”
And how about those who do not find this whole thing a “controversy”, of which there are many? But of course, they don’t agree with The Dragon Demands on this. Yeah, he’s an admin of the Wiki, but he still shouldn’t be editorializing so much (at all, really, but I’ve given up on that.) Most of Graves’s comments were taken out of context by him and other book readers. And it also comes from a severe misunderstanding of the role of a director in a TV show such as Game of Thrones, in which there are many directors per season and the showrunners, the executive producers, and the writers are one and the same (D&D.) Graves is a director, not a writer. He doesn’t have to know the detailed background of the characters. There’s no problem with him thinking Tysha is dead, or that for some reason Tyrion knew the Red Keep since he was a child. And anyway, he might not have “grown up” there, but he’s spent many years living in the capital. This is all a false controversy, unlike the Sept rape scene controversy which is very much real.
There are so many falsehoods in Alex Graves’ wiki page now. Plain lies, too, not just vague implications. It’s basically slander! But The Dragon Demands is angry with him, so apparently it’s okay.
Faceless Frey,
I don’t like your versions . None. But it’s nice to see your effort
The dragon looks a lot better in the fog. It is a mysterious omen.
In your version, there is no fog , no secrets , everything is too obvious.
Poster is foreshadowing of the Sorrows, Dany and Tyrion meeting, Daznak’s pit,…
Your poster is nothing. Sorry.
Luka Nieto,
That’s why I try to give casting scoops to you. You’re the better man.
Yeah and this whole anti-Alex Graves thing is such bullshit. Everyone in the fandom was in love with him after s3 and now they act like he’s talentless. I still think he’s the best director to work on the show.
Luka Nieto,
Thatt guy is an idiot.
thats one shitty photoshop job
rew,
Yeah, I remember on AFOIAF when he first heard they were shooting in the bullpit in Osuna he thought it’d be really cool if they killed a real bull on camera like in Apocalypse Now. BUT then as soon as he saw that Elio and Linda were really pissed off about them shooting there he joined in on the outrage in a second completely reversing his views. It was laughable.
Greenjones,
Well, I just edit there sometimes, while he’s truly a hard-worker. The wiki wouldn’t be what it is without him. You should see what he’s doing with a new “Costumes” page. It’s pretty amazing. But… he editorializes a lot. It’s a problem sometimes. His pompous behavior doesn’t help either, especially because I’m not sure if it’s an act or if he really believes it.
I added a comment very similar to my own here in the Talk page of the Alex Graves article in the wiki. I would edit it myself, but he’d probably ban me. I would like to, honest: the text as it currently stands is insulting and borderline slander —come on; it includes a reference with death threats and outright insults. Any way, I hope he replies. I don’t expect him to be civil. He rarely is. But let’s hope he reconsiders the text because right now it’s laughable. It doesn’t belong in a wiki. It’s supposed to be an encyclopedic source for the show, not yellow journalism incarnate.
they should have replaced drogon with Viserion
I suggest that WOTW make the article – Support for Alex Graves –
In that article we should list all of his great scenes and great things he has done!
Who agrees???
Faceless Frey,
Wonderful job as always, Jenny. I always like your posters better.
rew,
It’s fine that you like the concept of the fog being a curtain through which Drogon (and Dany’s empire) is revealing itself to Tyrion. I don’t particularly, I think it’s simplistic, and not really in line with who Dany is as a character, the house she represents, and the overall trajectory of the story. I am by no means belittling the artists who worked on it. I do think that conceptually it could have said more.
In Jenny’s version, we’re getting Tyrion riding into the sun, with Drogon framed by it’s rays. You have a
, a Targaryen allusion, a nod to the fact that Tyrion is riding east into the sunrise away from the wreckage of his life in the Western lands, and an overall feeling of forward motion into fierce activity. It puts us on notice that the show is not dithering around. That to me makes a statement.
The Game of Thrones official poster isn’t “nothing”. (I think that’s a horrible way to refer to someone’s artwork, don’t you?) Ultimately it’s not to my taste. That’s just my opinion.
Greenjones,
I do not like Elio and Linda. They are fanatics and very boring people .
Their relation to the show is hilarious and fearsome at the same time.
Elio is ok , but Linda is a maniac. If you do not trust me I can send you the terrible things she wrote. Full of racism and misogyny. She likes to insult people, to attack people because of personal opinion.
She is bad and hypocritical person . She speaks terrible things about the show, but still earns a lot of money because of it.
Linda wrote her shitty fanfic book that would not exist without the HBO series.
I can’t stand her.
Faceless Frey,
These are great! Do you have a twitter handle to credit you with if I repost?
rew,
“Your poster is nothing. Sorry.”
Wow, way to be polite in your response.
rew,
That level of rudeness is uncalled for. Check yourself.
Faceless Frey,
It is a lot harder to fix than last year’s, but I love your version a lot more than HBO’s.
Why don’t you tweet and tumbl your version on your own account so we can retweet/reblog it without reposting? So much of your works gets shared around without credit already. I don’t think people even realize how much of the GoT stuff out there is yours.
Of the Night,
Here’s a link to a gallery of all of Game of Thrones stuff including last year’s poster and my season three posters and some other stuff I did for Season 5: http://rewind-me.deviantart.com/gallery/36823270/Game-of-Thrones
Jaime’s girl,
Thanks! My twitter is @JennySlife87
Sue the Fury,
I’m working on the post now
Faceless Frey,
Awesome! I love your stuff, just followed!
Great point, Sue, I have seen some of this before and didn’t know the creator! Love it!
post with credit when possible, everyone, for a peaceful internet and good kharma 🙂
Luka Nieto,
AngryGOTFan has taken on the Alex Graves “controversy” …
https://twitter.com/AngryGoTFan/status/571677214359617536?lang=en
http://angrygotfan.com/2015/02/28/alex-graves-is/
Jaime’s girl,
A manufactured controversy if I ever saw one. Graves’s comments as written up by the Redditor weren’t entirely accurate, for starters. And he’s not responsible for every aspect of the show. I don’t love everything Graves did, Rapegate sucked and he did deserve flak for that, but the over-the-top response to Graves right now over this other stuff that isn’t even his fault is especially silly considering how much good work he has done on the show. Fans really have a way of biting the hand that feeds them.
Sue the Fury,
This is basically is the definition of a non-controversy , it feels like someone was still bitter about Graves comment about LSH and sat down to listen to the commentaries just to find something that put the director in bad light , if you go back and listen to other directors in the commentaries you’d find that most of them aren’t knowledgeable about the lore which is perfectly fine since that had nothing with a director’s responsibilities .
Jaime’s girl,
I know, that’s part of my post 😉 As I wrote, “The Dragon Demands” added that silly and insulting article by AngryGoTFan to the wiki, as if he was some reputable source. Ridiculous.
Sue the Fury,
Completely manufactured. Most of his comments were taken out of context, and those that weren’t are either honest mistakes (“Tyrion grew up in King’s Landing”) or non-issues (he had to ask HBO for more budget… the horror!).
mau,
Really like your idea – will have to go back and do some research into previous seasons tho.
Sue the Fury,
This!
Luka Nieto,
Yes sorry I went back and re-read your post and saw the text there, wanted to include the links. This is getting so silly.
Yes, the disaster in the sept was a disaster of epic proportions (especially for Jaime diehards like myself) but come on! The guy is a great director and has done very well across many excellent episodes! Hopefully this will die down soon…
Jaime’s girl,
Heh. I don’t know if these people will let it die down. I’ll update you guys on what happens at the wiki. I don’t expect it to end well.
Ok Luka keep us posted. We realize you only have so much power at the wiki…
Jaime’s girl,
It’s a wiki, so I could edit it myself (or you, or anyone else.) It’s technically not a matter of power. It’s just that if I delete that whole section with no discussion or explanation, it would understandably be edited back, especially in the case of such a long text written by an administrator (it would be rude… though no more than that text is rude and insulting to Graves, but that’s another matter.) That’s why I explained my concerns on the ‘Talk’ section of the Alex Graves page. Hopefully TDD sees reason. If he doesn’t, oh well, it’s not the end of the world. It’s just a wiki, and this’s just a TV show. Still, it’s a bit insulting to Graves, and full of lies, so it remains bothersome.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I think the poster is a reference to this painting- https://bewicksfingerprint.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/471px-caspar_david_friedrich_032.jpg
I think that’s cool (although Freidrich’s painting has been referenced a lot in movie posters recently), and my initial reaction to the poster was positive- the fact that the Drogon and Tyrion seem to be taken from previous images is iffy, but if you didn’t know that, it would just seem like a cool picture.
The poster would be better if it was Missandei or Miranda about to be eaten…by a dragon
Rygar,
Too much, Rygar. Dial it down a notch.
Faceless Frey,
That should have been the poster for the last Hobbit flick. Nice job, cheers!
Sue the Fury,
Edited for the ladies. My apologies.
Luka Nieto,
Totally understand. Good to put it in perspective 🙂
I’m sure it’s bothersome as you say but not serious enough to warrant being rude or risking getting banned.
I see the bit in the Talk here:
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Alex_Graves
Luka Nieto,
Ah yes, The Dragon Demands – that slightly narcissistic person that constantly has to remind everyone that they are administrator on the GOT Wiki…
I guess, this is the only TV show, that gets 223 comments (so far) on a fan site, just because a poster is revealed. Just mind that this poster will matter for essential things like the DVD/BlueRay cover…
Don’t get me wrong: I like those reactions. It is just quite astonishing…
Jaime’s girl,
He deleted the new section, surprisingly… for the moment, anyway.
Luka Nieto,
check out this gem of a conversation http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Children
someone raised this fair objection :”Aren’t the Wikia articles supposed to be objective? Well, this one is clearly not. Mentioning Tysha’s ommission multiple times… Tyrion killing Shae in “self defense”. And why citing the critics who disliked the scene? Westeros.org reviews are nearly irrelevant because Elio are Linda are book purists and have unrealisticly high expectations for the TV show.”
And this was his response : “It’s meant to shame the writers for one of the worst and most bizarre decisions they could possibly have made: Tyrion killing Tywin over Tysha is the end of the third novel. And when the series was originally envisioned as a trilogy, the third novel was the end of “Book One”.
…this was big enough that we don’t even know if the TV producers are on speaking terms with George R.R. Martin ”
When was “shaming” writers one of the wiki roles , isn’t it supposed to be objective and informative , or is it a personnel space to express a book purist nerdrage
“Please don’t continue pushing to remove this; I will back this up with temp ban penalties.”
so asking for improving a wiki page would get you banned?? from what i see GoT wiki looks more like The Dragon Demands blog more than a real wiki for the show fans.
TorbofThrones,
As both a book reader and show watcher, I love the poster (I immediately right-click-saved to make it my desktop background!) because I’m a huge fan of both Tyrion and the dragons (not so much Danerys because the actress stinks IMO). However you have a really good point in that Tyrion actually doesn’t have one of the “big” storylines this season and therefore isn’t a main character (or “the” main character” like Ned in S1). Arguably, the main characters this season are Cersei and Jon, and possibly Danerys.
So if anyone should be on the poster, it’s Cersei, Jon and/or Danerys, not just Tyrion and the dragons because they satisfy my fangirl soul.
OTOH outside of the thematic considerations I’m fine if it’s a crappy poster, because I’d much rather them spend the budget on making awesome dragon special effects, creating realistic battle scenes or paying fantastic actors like Charles Dance or Jonathan Pryce!
KrakenDaughter,
Oh, I know. That was the previous controversy.
I edited the page, too, and got shouted down for it. Right now, there’s a whole ginormous section about Tysha in the “The Children” episode page, for no discernible reason. He treats it as his own personal blog, as you said. As if it was the role of a encyclopedic source to “shame” anyone… It’s ridiculous!
Luka Nieto,
If his in charge of the episode pages for season 5 o can’t see myself visiting the wiki anymore.
I’m not that familiar with how wiki’s work , is there some sort of hierarchy ?? can we report this kind of misconduct to other moderators
KrakenDaughter,
Not sure how the hierarchy works, to be honest.
There are other administrators, but he’s certainly the most active. And as I said, he DOES do a lot of hard work, so the way to fix this wouldn’t be to get rid of him, but to convince him to treat these issues more objectively instead of as his own personal crusade.
As for the Season 5 pages, yes, he will be involved. So will I, and many others. Please do not quit visiting the wiki and using it as a resource just because of these controversies. Problems only arise when something he sees as controversial happens; then, whether the overall fandom sees it that way or not, he presents the issue as if his opinion was shared by everyone else, and usually lends an undue amount of time and words to the particular issue (Tysha, Alex Graves, and I’m sure there have been other similar incidents.)
I think the poster is ok, nothing to write home about though. I agree with whoever said that no other seasons’ posters will match Ned Stark S1. I get chills just looking at Sean Bean on that throne, tired looking and concerned, holding Ice almost like supporting his weight on it.
Luka Nieto,
The virtual life and tribulations of the internet character known to all as tDD are a source of amusement and dismay to all who’ve encounter him over the years. And I’ve yet to meet anyone who’s toes he hasn’t stepped on. Life is a battlefield, y’all!
Cihan123,
There could be a million different reasons why you can’t connect to our site and 99% of them are beyond our control. Nevertheless we’d be happy to look into it. Email us what your IP address is (if you know it) and where you are at in the world. Location is one of the biggest factors.
Luka Nieto,
Sometimes people can’t think out of the box.
The real question for me is Tysha really good thing in books in the first place? Seems that book purists don’t question that Martin decision objectively.
They are ready to believe that some ex-wife (with whom Tyrion was married for a couple of days years ago) is the only reason and motive for the murder of his father in books.
If some believe that it really is the only motive , I have to ask them is this a truly good motive? Credible motive?
Think about it . And book purists often do not think about books critically.
For me, it may be just a inducement, but not a sole or primary motive.
And Martin did write that as a inducement , not as a motive.
It is interesting that often book purists do not understand the book.
I don’t understand, tDD is a teddy bear. He’s always been nice … nay, deferential … in my experience.
mau,
Indeed. Some book readers are under the rather strange delusion that Unsullied show watchers “couldn’t possibly have understood why Tyrion killed Tywin.” So silly. Tysha was a spark; the explosive material had been building up for years in that father-son relationship. The “spark” in the show was substituted, rather effectively I would say, by Peter Dinklage giving us Tyrion’s darkest look and a sinister version of the Lannister musical cue.
That’s what adapting from a book to a visual and auditory medium like TV usually entails. A whole subplot can be substituted by wordless acting, tone, and music. Literalists, of course, hate that.
Luka Nieto,
I hope he’s a reasonable enough person to understand that , but his responses gives me the impression that he’s not.
I know that there is a very fine line between objectivity and subjectivity , but for a wiki public editing works as a sort of self-moderating and that can’t happen if one of them is being a dictator.
Season 5 will be filled with deviations , i can smell book purist rage already but they have plenty of websites and forums to express there disdain and anger , and the show wiki is not one of those.
Nero Martell,
I take it you weren’t around for the build up to the first season, when almost every single tidbit leaked caused a “gate” – such fun! 🙂
Luka Nieto,
I remember that one book purist on reddit was trying to convince me that Varys give the crossbow to Tyrion in the book.
Believe it or not!
I was shocked at how little one “purist” actually remembers about books.
I’m still a big fan of Tysha and it’s a shame it wasn’t included. Making such a personal controversy about it, that’s something else.
That being said, making a controversy over a ‘constructed controversy’… Kind of funny. You silly geese.
mau,
With all due respect of your analysis, it wasn’t simply Tysha. It was a cumulative of a lifetime of being called a monster, being blamed for his mother’s death, the massive Tysha lie for decades, horrible disrespect, being targeted for murder, and generally destructive verbal dissing in public and private, among other things, that led to Tyrion’s heart of darkness act and subsequent journey.
Although I wish a Tysha-Shae parallel could have been done, none of that could have been effectively portrayed onscreen. In any case, Jaime & Tyrion should not have departed amicably. That’s what pissed most off.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I didn’s say it wassimply Tysha. Read more carefully
Lollius Palicanus,
I kinda realised that after i posted the comment ,some people got mad at Graves for some comments and ignored the amazing work he’s done for 2 seasons , and i got mad when i read one wiki page while forgetting that TDD contributes to thousands of pages.oops
So any news on whe we might get a 2nd trailer ??
KrakenDaughter,
I think you’ve hit on the solution to all of this, we’re just hungry for Season 5 to start 😉
mau,
Huh? I was agreeing with you that it wasn’t simply Tysha. I was simply expanding on your thought process, which seems to be complaining about 0.01% of the loud reddit readers.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I need to read more carefully. Sorry xD
I think it’s nice that one of the few long-term relationships remains intact in the show. What does Tyrion hating Jaime add to the story?
It’s ironic that they didn’t include Tysha. In S1, it was originally all in Tyrion’s mind if I remember correctly, and the show went out of its way to create a scene in which he told them about Tysha. It was great of course, character-development and all that. Imagine, if D&D hadn’t been so passionate, we wouldn’t even have gotten that!
Anyway, I disagree to those who say it would’ve been impossible or extremely difficult to include it in S4. If they had led up to it with a couple of comments (like they do with many things), for example with the Tyrion-Jaime cell-scenes, it could’ve been done effectively. Ultimately, I respect D&D (or Graves, they all had a part in it), for the exclusion of it, because it is definitely something that works better in the books.
It’s great that Jaime rescues Tyrion, but what’s so awesome about ASoIaF is that nothing is simple. Jaime turns good, but that means making up for his past mistakes. So in the books, it’s very important how they part (mostly for Jaime, he’s shattered by his reply, but also Tyrion), in my opinion. It could’ve been a very emotional moment in the show. But for me, S4 is a roller-coaster. Full of super awesome and super annoying. When you adapt, there are always good and bad changes. You’ll always be stuck with some changes you find unnecessary, but in my case, I think the innovative and smart changes weigh up for the annoying ones. It’s mostly super awesome.
I think you might be right. I won’t say I didn’t expect the Tysha moment but I wasn’t terribly surprised they cut it out especially if their goal was to keep the Jaime/ Tyrion relationship intact. I did like how they explained it at one con. It sounded reasonable.
That’s just it though. Seasons 3 and 4 already have loads of moments where people’s spirits/dreams/heads are crushed, and not nearly as many happy moments. That makes a touching farewell between brothers standout more, even if I feel that part was rushed. There is such a thing as too many emotional lows (Walking Dead writers I’m looking at you)
Yivo,
It was a very nice, intimate moment. Jaime even kissed Tyrion. This is something Graves also remarked in the commentary track, in a rather sweet way if I may say so myself, but it doesn’t make Graves look like a monster so certain people forgot to add that little detail.
Luka Nieto,
I haven’t actually watched the finale since it aired, I’d forgotten that he kisses him. That is very sweet! Makes me like that decision even more
Luka Nieto,
With any luck, the Graves business will die down once a new trailer is released.
The longer junkies fiend, the uglier the fiending becomes.
Give ’em a little fix, and it will help tide them over until the big fix.
I’m jonesing in a big, big way, myself, but I have the advantage of being distracted by college basketball, and the luxury of knowing just about a week after the NC game, GoT season 5 will start.
Jaime embracing Tyrion was one of the shows most touching moments which to me is an improvement.
The discussion brings back a conjecture I had at that time, well right after the episode concluded. Could Vary’s have left with Tyrion to protect Jaime?
He intended to go back to the Red Keep, but the bells ringing meant either life or death. Since no royal birth near, it meant death, therefore the only deaths that would deserve such a treatment were, Tommen (Heir), Cersei(Queen) or Tywin (Hand). Vary’s is quick witted, so he surmised the latter, especially considering Tyrion’s state. If Vary’s had returned, Jaime would be suspect immediately as Tyrion’s rescuer, thereby Vary’s left to basically take the heat for Tyrion’s escape.
Sue the Fury,
Well put, as per usual. If only if only the desperate ghouls over at the sad husk that was once WIC were as reasonable as you.
Faceless Frey,
Thanks
Greenjones,
I think they deleted the post?
Book purists are a special breed. I remember very well how many book readers were outraged back in S1 and S2 because “they turned Loras (and Renly) gay” and “Stannis the honourable Baratheon would never cheat on his wife with Melisandre”. I can’t believe how many purists don’t actually have a clue as to what happens in the books if it isn’t spelled out. And when it is spelled out, they consider it as gospel, utterly unable to accept any change.
Someone Somewhere,
Just checked. Looks like they did. It is hilarious that those lazy weasels would have the gall to call anyone a hack. Not very self-aware of them, is it? It’s doubly funny though that they’d jump off the bandwagon and delete the article so soon after publishing it. They can’t even commit to that.
There are levels. At the top you get bureaucrats, they control the who wiki and have the power to make or unmake administrators. It’s them you would report a troublesome admin to. Then there’s the administrators who can basically do everything the bureaucrats can like locking pages and banning people etc but they cannot change who is an admin (except by personally stepping down). Then you have registered and unregistered users who can pretty much only edit pages (the registered ones can edit semi-blocked pages). The Dragon Demands sadly is currently at the top as a bureaucrat, one of three. While technically the other two could gang up on him and give him the boot they are both much more passive than him and I don’t see it happening. TDD is easily the hardest worker on the site and for the most part does it well, so he definitely deserves a place on the wiki, maybe even as a regular admin. But he does need to be reigned in in cases like this and he should never have been allowed to climb up as high as he did.
TorbofThrones,
I think the Tysha moment was great because it not only made Tyrion feel completely alone and hateful but it also made Jaime have doubts about him and cersei. I felt so much rage reading that moment I was like thats it im going to enter this book and kill Tywin. I wasnt that mad at Tywin in the show despite everything.
Crabber’s Son,
Why is it good that Tyrion feels completely alone and hateful? Also, to not be mad after all Tywin’s done in the show is just being crazy. The man was evil. Taking away a single one of his deeds shouldn’t make such a difference.
In the round table discussion on the Season 4 DVDs Charles Dance confessed to not knowing what happens in the books and in the same discussion said that there were so many reasons Tyrion had to kill him. I am a fan of the Tysha exchange, but those that claim the moment was so important that the unsullied couldn’t possibly understand why Tyrion killed Tywin without it are deluding themselves. Charles Dance proves this.
Irrespective of book canon, their relationship in the show wasn’t too jaded, which was indeed unique, as you point out. But as Tyrion’s life crumbled in S4, I almost expected something to sour their relationship
But they are clearly establishing a different, almost sympathetic, dynamic to Jaime’s cause in the show….which, as you imply, may be refreshing in the long run!
I can’t believe there are people dumb enough to believe that Graves has the power to remove key dialogue in a major scene. This Alex Graves hate is mystifying. The sept scene is the only major flaw in his 6 episodes. The disrespect being shown towards him really is sad. It’s the main problem I have with these book fundamentalists. They don’t respect how hard the production team works to make this show and have it ready every Spring.
Hey, so regarding that theory about Sansa’s geographic locations this season, book readers will recall that
“I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs.”
“And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.”
I know this has been speculated about everywhere for 15 years but, identity of the giant aside, it could well mean Sansa’s back in Winterfell at some point, right? So maybe she does go to Winterfell this season. And maybe that’s exactly what happens in Winds, too.
James Rivers,
Wasn’t that a vision of Sansa building the snow castle and tearing up Sweet Robin’s doll giant?
Of the Night,
The palace coup to oust an admin at that site a few months back was pretty messy. And incredibly entertaining. Kept running out of popcorn. From what I understand, the admin needs to willingly step down. Good luck with that.
Cumsprite,
Can you link the discussion? I’ll make more popcorn.
The HBO schedule is up to the GoT’s premiere week but no title name so yet 🙁
Of the Night,
You got it, chief. There are actually three threads, but these two have the highlights. I vetted the threads for goatse, pretty sure they are clean. But I make no promises.
There are a few troll usernames in this thread, but the OP is legit:
http://www.iswintercoming.com/the-dragon-s-rebellion-about-got-wikia-political-issues-t2265.html
This one just adds some atmosphere:
http://www.iswintercoming.com/game-of-thrones-wiki-part-ii-t2421.html
You will never find a more wretched website of scum and villainy, but we get the good shit sometimes.
ETA: those threads are likely riddled with spoilers.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Alex graves was the one who asked the writers to not include Tysha. He also directed the three eyed raven which looked terrible and the scene with the skeletons which had some terible editing. Having skeletons in the first place might have been his idea as well.
James Rivers,
in my opinion, the venomous hair, refers to her hair net… which is – in the Books – responsible for Big J’s chocking. Hence, we cannot assume, that this Vision is about TWOW events…
Balerion The Cat,
Wasn’t it gonna be added tomorrow, though? I mean, it’s already Sunday where I’m from, but not in the US. Hopefully by the time I wake up we have a title for the premiere episode. That’d be great.
Any guesses? If we are going for obscure, I’d say something like “Valonqar.” If not… there are many options and I’m not good at this. Anyone has any good ideas, for the premiere or any other episode?
Crabber’s Son,
He didn’t “ask” the directors not to include Tysha. Firstly: if D&D were going to include the pay-off for that story, Tyrion would have mentioned and discussed her throughout the whole show, even before Alex Graves became involved in Season 3. And secondly, that’s just not what he said in the commentary track. The implication (and the only thing that makes sense) is that Tysha’s revelation wasn’t in the script to begin with, and Graves simply agrees with D&D’s decision not to include it. No more, no less.
He directed the Three-eyed raven scene… but he was not in charge of the make-up, was he? Well, maybe you don’t know how TV productions work, how the separation of labor functions; that is okay, you don’t have to know. But don’t pretend to know and don’t make arguments based on ignorance.
As for the skeletons, yes, that was his choice and he did lobby for it, an obvious homage to the great Harryhausen, a legendary stop motion animation expert, responsible for the famous skeleton warriors in ‘Jason and the Argonauts.’ You may not agree with his stylistic choice, but it was a deliberate artistic choice, and achieved with state of the art effects —depicting Graves as an idiot spending money willy-nilly on silly things is simply disingenuous.
Crabber’s Son,
Of course he was the primary factor in the decision to cut Tysha, he does hate the books and the fans after all.
Oy! Quit playin grabass an git muh comment out of moderation.
Don’t share the ‘Kill Graves’ sentiment but I don’t think he’s a great director and dropped the ball on a number of scenes he directed in Season 4. Not sorry that he’s not back for this season.
Crabber’s Son,
Not true. He said he liked the decision to not include Tysha. It was not his decision. He is also not the costume or makeup designer, so Bloodraven’s look is not on him. I liked the skeleton wights. He has directed 4 great episodes of GOT. Don’t be one of the morons who thinks he is garbage now.
TheTouchofFrost,
Did you feel that way after his first three episodes? In my opinion, ‘Kissed By Fire’,’And Now His Watch Is Ended’, ‘The Lion And The Rose’, and ‘The Children’ are all top 10-15 episodes in the show’s history. He was overworked in season 4. Hopefully he’ll return for 2 episodes in season 6.
I propose we simply stop paying attention to this silly Graves discussion. We are giving this nonsense the attention, and credence, it doesn’t deserve. Let it die, as well it should.
Cumsprite,
I read the whole wiki thing. That is one angry dragon. I too ran out of popcorn. If I didn’t think he shouldn’t be in charge before I certainly do now.
Of the Night,
He’s harmless and a good sport. I don’t understand the strong reaction to him. People should be allowed to rage on stupid shit.
To me it’s because he is actually not entirely harmless. If he wants to rage that’s fine, we all do it. It’s that he is in a position of authority and abuses it. He posts blatantly biased info on one of the primary resources fans have for the show and uses his position to stop people from removing the bias. I find his aggression highly unprofessional and have seen him permanently ban several new editors based on simple mistakes done in good faith instead of simply advising them of how the wiki works. He is kinda like Joffrey.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Pretty much, yeah. I think ‘The Children’ is perhaps the worst episode in all four seasons of the show for me. I mean he’s not terrible and I thought the Jaime/Brienne scene is ‘Kissed by Fire’ was good although mainly because of the acting of the two characters involved. But when you have a show with such consistently high quality those episodes that dip a bit below that stick out more. For me, Grave’s episodes were below a very high par!
I do think the over-reaction to the sept scene is unwarranted though. Yeah, it was messily done but it’s a fictional scene. It’s not as if anyone really got raped!
TheTouchofFrost,
I agree! The children bothered me so much but its things like having the scene wight scene be super bright or the way one scene cut to tyrion in his cell and rushed through his escape. Having the three eyed raven have two eyes or how bright his cave was. Compare that to the lighting of the red wedding and how it gave off this kind of eerie atmosphere. I had to convince myself into liking the episode after rewatching it multiple times.
Crabber’s Son,
Yeah, we can pick apart “The Children” to great extent, primarily because so many anticipated moments that Sullied folks hold dear were crammed into those 73 minutes. Those scenes that you mention are especially vulnerable to criticism because of massive expectations. But then I thought Ygritte’s funeral, Stannis’ arrival, Jon-Mance-Davos-Stannis meet-n-greet, the whole Brienne-Hound scene, Arya & the Hound’s farewell scene, and Arya’s Valar Morghulis final scene were exceptional. It was an episode of extreme highs and goofy headscratchers.
Hodor’s Bastard,
Ive seen lots of people complain the brienne hound fight was too shaky although it didnt really bother me when I saw it. The final arya shot was pretty nice though I still like mhysa the most though.
Crabber’s Son,
Hodor’s Bastard,
The Children is a great episode of tv. Only people who obsessively compare it to the books would call it bad. I am guilty of doing that on all of my first watches, then when I know what to expect and what is different from the books, I view them as an episode of a tv show, and stop searching for things from the books. It’s why I enjoy the show so much on rewatches. I think the Tyrion/Tywin/Shae scene was great in the context and limitations of the show. I would include it on the list of great scenes in that episode.
Crabber’s Son,
When the Hound kicked Brienne in her nethers, I felt it. It was even more painful in IMAX.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Agreed, but what would this site and westeros be without folks with OCD and ADD? I’ll stop hating on BR’s depiction when others stop hating on the sept scene. 🙂
Crabber’s Son,
Really, you liked the kumbaya moment?
Guess everyone has their own tastes, mine in order are seasons 1,2,4 and 3 closing shots.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
He had ALL the good stuff in his episodes so it’s logical that they’re going to be some of the best of the series….Van Patten, Marshall, Taylor, Sakharov, MacLaren, Nutter and Minahan are better than Graves IMO. He’s decent but I don’t want him to comeback.
Tyrion Targaryen confirmed.
Still no episode names, but HBO Latino has some information for episode 3 of season 5:
Rated TVMA: ADULT CONTENT, ADULT LANGUAGE
Running Time: 57 minutes
Genre: Drama
http://www.hbolatino.com/apps/schedule/ScheduleServlet?ACTION_DETAIL=DETAIL&FOCUS_ID=776459
Cumsprite,
Oh god that was painful to read , the best response was this :
“You take this wiki to embarrassingly sad levels of nerdy fandom. The abundance of over the top dramatic lines is simultaneously hilarious and cringeworthy, I mean, really dude? Out of the respect I once bore for you? WHO SAYS THAT OUTSIDE OF FICTION? ARE YOU EVEN A REAL PERSON? You’re like, the fucking Starscream of game of thrones fandom.”
Balerion The Cat,
HBO Latino seems to list 501 and 502 as being a minute shorter than the American HBO schedule does BTW.
And no violence or nudity in 503! What’s the world coming to.
Maybe since we’re getting the episode a week later than last year HBO Latino will list the titles a week later?
Mr Fixit,
Book purist is still a thing? I thought they disappeared after the whole LS outcry.
I guess those villains are crawling back now that the new season is approaching.
Book Purist… if you are reading this, I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want. If you are looking for ransom I can tell you I don’t have money, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you
Greenjones,
Could it be that they don’t have the episode names yet? Otherwise I don’t see why they wouldn’t be shown (at least on the HBO schedule). I’m still hoping we’ll get the name of the premiere later today *fingerscrossed*
As for the episodes being shorter on the HBO Latino schedule, maybe they have a different way of measuring runtime. An episode that runs for 52 mins and 35 seconds could be shown as having a runtime of 52 mins or 53 if you take those seconds into account. That’s what I think it’s happening.
Hehe. Where’s Galvatron when you need him? 😉
Balerion The Cat,
Still, what we have is:
S5E1: 53 minutes
S5E2: 56 minutes
S5E3: 58 minutes
Right?
Dutch maester,
Yup, and so far it looks great. Hopefully the next episodes will have a similar runtime (56-57), with hopefully a ~70 mins finale.
Balerion The Cat,
wouldn’t that make it the longest season yet? Here’s hoping
Let’s be full on geeks. Numbers!
Balerion The Cat,
That would be great. The first season remains the longest one, followed closely by the third. Then there’s the fourth, and finally the second, which was and felt quite a bit shorter. In the end, it’s just a matter of minutes, of course —the longest season is only 18 minutes longer than the shortest; the average season one episode is only a couple of minutes longer than the average season two episode.
Now, the longest episode? Even though it’s from the second shortest season yet, that would be the season four finale, if I’m not mistaken. “The Children” is 66 minutes long, longer than the season two and three finales, both of which were 64 minutes long, and the series premiere, “Winter is Coming”, which run for 62 minutes.
Let’s see how long the fifth season ends up being. I hope it’s one of the longest yet; even though it’s just a matter of a few minutes more per week, in the end it adds up and the whole season fills fuller.
Yivo,
Our information is limited, of course but, to date, season one and season four had more minutes in the first three episodes.
Probably been mentioned before but they probably reused the dragon because they’ll have grown or changed so much from S4-S5 that it would take some of the…. shock? away when their new grown look is revealed this season
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Don’t think you can assume people who didn’t like it can only not like it because they’ve read the books! Personally I didn’t massively mind the Tyrion/Tywin changes (no point in referencing Tysha when she’s not been mentioned properly) but it just lacked any kind of tension or drama. Should have been a really big moment but it just fell flat as Tyrion didn’t fully express why he was so angry. The less said about Bran and the Reeds that episode the better as the special effects were quite frankly awful and just did not suit the show. I’m in the minority but I thought the Hound/Brienne meeting/fight was incredibly contrived and did nothing for either of them character-wise. It just wasn’t a good episode for me and has added to my worry for Season 5. I mean, I hope I’m wrong but there seems to be a lot of unneeded changes from the books and although I think when adapting something you need to to some degree (for example, I think Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne could be a wise move if executed well), I find the weakest points of the show so far have been when they’ve strayed too far from the source material.
Yes, but have you considered that this may be in part because they cut many of the more tedious scenes from the books, and kept most of the best?
I went back to the old site and looked through the archives, on March 2nd, HBO Latino had the names of the first 4 episodes on it’s schedule. It’s a bit strange that the episodes are up with runtimes and ratings but no titles. So either HBO really loves to keep us waiting or the episodes don’t have titles yet.
Btw, D&D are the ones that name episodes, no?
Oh well… *refreshes hbo schedule*
Yivo,
Potentially, but they’ve also missed out a lot of the things from the books that people would consider good parts. Also, I think a lot of the tedious parts of the books would still be better than some of the things they’ve devoted time to. Kinda hard to come to a definitive answer as it’s completely subjective.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I have to say that the Ygritte funeral scene may be my favorite few minutes of the entire series – something that is NOT in the books.
Balerion The Cat,
I’m sure they’ll have the titles by now, but for some reason they won’t reveal them. And yes, D&D and Bryan Cogman (and I suppose Dave Hill this season) name the episodes.
1. All my life you’ve wanted me dead…… I am your son and you sentenced me to die. You knew I didn’t poison Joffrey, but you sentenced me all the same. Why?…. vs You’ve given me less than nothing, all my life, but you’ll give me this. What did you do with Tysha?
Show version is better because they speak about their relation, not about some other person.
And refrain Wherever whores go is the beginning of the destruction of Tyrion’s character. Thank god they cut it.
2. They never strayed too far from the source material. Sometimes they divert frm the book plot, but they would always return. There is no change that has taken story in a different direction, so real change does not exist.
And there are some scenes that GRRM wrote that are different and better in the show than in the books. In my opinion purple wedding was so much better in the show, and it was written by GRRM himself.
But I agree, it’s all subjective
mau,
I think my main issue was that it was a heat of the moment thing. He was hot from the revelation about Tysha compounded by Shae betraying him. In the show he’d already been betrayed by her ( although I’m sure finding her in bed with Tywin must’ve been quite jarring) and the Tysha thing doesn’t come up. Tyrion would have thought on these things and if he still killed them then it betrays his character as pre-meditated murder of people he is close to just doesn’t suit him. The emotional killing of them is a lot more understanding. Again, I think the show could have done this effectively with Shae but it just lacked the necessary emotion and punch. Don’t know whether it was the dialogue or the calm way in which Tyrion reloads and pumps another bolt into him, it just didn’t seem right to me. Wherever whores go works great in the context of the books with Jaime revealing she wasn’t actually a whore so Tyrion is understandably angered when the woman he loved is called one but wouldn’t work in the show as again we don’t have the full backstory.
They added a lot of stuff that was pointless and a bit rubbish which I think the time could have been devoted to fleshing out other stories or even to work in some of the bigger things they left out. The MissandGrey , Pods big cock, gravy conversation,etc stuff was pretty poor and no one would have missed it. Well we’ll see as the plots are starting to change a lot with the potential loss of LS, Faegon, Euron, Vic, Manderly ,etc and characters being other places and doing other things. We’re on the edge of something that could go really wrong. I’m hoping that it doesn’t and I’m proved wrong but it’s hard not to worry.
Balerion The Cat,
This the first episode of GoT ever who doesn’t have any violence/nudity in it, very intriguing…..
mau,
I loved Tyrion’s story in the S04 finale too. In the book, it was darkly funny. In the show, it was really harrowing and uncomfortable. He was so emotionally numb that I don’t think he fully understood what he was doing. Not to mention the cold, shadowy cinematography. Shae’s stiff, swollen face still gives me the creeps.
Ozymandias,
There have been episodes with no nudity, but no violence? I find that very hard to believe.
Yivo,
503 will be the first one with no violence, that’s what I said.
Ozymandias,
I believe 103 had no violence. However it had some nudity. This episode is the only one rated 12+ in Germany.
1. For me, that was the best part. Calm, ruthless, almost cruel. Just like his father. And Tyrion look. It was great. It does not need to be noisy to be emotional.
2. It’s a bit like a soap opera. It’s complicated for no reason. It is not plausible that this lie could lasts that much. She was an ordinary girl. Did she have parents? Brothers? Why has nobody asked about her? The soldiers did not know the truth? No one? How is that possible? There are a lot of holes in that explanation.
3. Everything they cut they cut because they didn’t like it, or they thought that was too complicated for TV. The MissandGrey has nothing to do with that. And without mentioned scenes, same things would be cut.
4.
LS – lame plot twist. return from the dead for me is allowed only in special cases (Jon), and with Martin it became very often.
fAegon – Also seen too many times. Secret Targeryen have been used too frequently. And this also is only allowed in special cases (Jon).
Euron – we will see him in S6
Others do not matter.
Dragonslayer,
This episode had the Castle Black training scene, Viserys getting pwned by Rakharo, Grenn menacing Jon with a knife and Ned threatening Littlefinger.
HBO presentation of 103 : TVMA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence
The least violent episode of the series, The Prince of Winterfell has only the escape of Harrenhal.
Ozymandias,
I’m a bit skeptical of the idea that 503 won’t feature any nudity only because we have casting news that suggests … (Potential Show Spoilers)
It’s possible, of course. There are certainly ways to shoot that scene without it. As for the possibility that 503 won’t feature any violence … we’ll see. As you say, I think it would be the first episode of the show to fulfill that designation.
Ozymandias,
I know, I’m just saying that it seems like an error or something, because it sounds so unlikely to me.
Luka Nieto,
About the whole a thousand eyes and one thing… Is it just me or did one of Bloodraven’s eyes look like it was completely black?
Jared,
Didn’t we know for a fact that the actress wouldn’t have to get naked for the role? I remember it being a curious thing; a prostitute in Game of Thrones who’s not naked! I imagine it’s the prostitute Tyrion talks to for a while, or an equivalent to that ADWD scene.
EDIT: Found it! “Clea is in her early twenties, and described as a pretty young courtesan with nimble wit. It’s noted that this is a 3-page scene between just her and Peter Dinklage. Surprisingly, it’s also noted there is no sex or nudity in the role.”
So, it may be true after all. An episode without nudity.
Shitmouth,
It did. Maybe he’s blind. It’s easier to fake than a completely hollow eye-socket. Anyway, people are making a big deal out of nothing.
Yivo,
I won’t complain, it’s nice to have a soft episode once in a while. I hope Bryan Cogman wrote this one though.
mau,
The whole problem is Tyrion isn’t ruthless and cruel and he wasn’t calm. He was an emotional wreck as he had just strangled someone he cared about deeply to death. Not entirely sure what you’re trying to say on the next point. She wasn’t a whore and Tywin had lied about her being one then had his guards gang rape her and make Tyrion watch then be the last person to have her. At finding this out you can imagine he would be pretty devastated about the way a 13 year old girl whom had genuine affection for him was treated. It’s not that complicated and the reasoning is pretty crucial towards his motivation and psyche. He believes that no woman would ever want him unless it’s for money, when he finds out someone did but was treated in such a way…well.
We can’t say that for certain at all. When stuff is being left out and it’s all going to be tied up in seven seasons (which I doubt it will be in a satisfactory manner) then maximising the time to tell stories should be first and foremost. Not stupid scenes about eunuchs having feelings or how gravy is important. If they were at least entertaining then I may be more forgiving but they were poor and of no relevance.
Again, it’s a matter of opinion. LS could be crucial to Jaime and Brienes story. Faegon would actually make Dany’s story interesting again. I hope we do see Euron in Season 6 but I’m starting to doubt it.
Guys… spoilers!
Ozymandias,
True, it could be a nice change of pace. I imagine Season 5 will be more intimate and slow than Season 4 in general.
What’s with all the dissing of Missandei-Grey Worm scenes? Is it another example of “not in the books”? Those scenes were:
a) very short, hardly taking the time from anything “more important”;
b) well-written and give some needed depth and context to Dany’s followers. People around her are allowed to have lives and hopes of their own, and not be only plot-driven window-dressing for Daenerys Liberation Front.
Luka Nieto,
Yeah, that was my recollection about the role as well.
We’ll find out when the episode airs – not that I’m anticipating it all that much. If it’s true, then the people who only watch the show for the sex and violence will be disappointed. The people who think that the show generally goes overboard on nudity and bloodshed will be surprised that they demonstrated such restraint. The vast majority of us will ignore that particular debate entirely. I’ve seen it play out far too many times to care at this point. 🙂
It’s 52 min, 55 min and 57 min because HBO USA accounts for the 1 minute recaps. On my blu-ray it shows The Children as being 65 minutes even though the HBO schedule lists it as 66. So yeah, they count the recaps while HBO Latino does not.
Sounds like show Jorah is gonna get friend-zoned in a brothel.
TheTouchofFrost,
We can agree to disagree about almost everything.
Mr Fixit,
Not to mention some of the best acted scenes in the season. I rather enjoy their budding romance. A little bit of hope and sunshine in a story entirely full of yucky poo poo.
Don’t know if it has been already posted here, but here is the animated version of the poster using Drogon footage from S4:
https://38.media.tumblr.com/09e768fb394c3a48a4918fadf3186b76/tumblr_nkjnv3WMQP1rx5gcoo1_500.gif
Luka Nieto,
Maybe I missed something but I would bet that those that haven’t read the books by now avoid threads like these, if not the whole site. Hell Oz is the only reappearing contributor that I know hasn’t read the books, and he avoids these threads.
I think the no book spoiler thing is pretty much moot at this point. I’m not saying that it should be a free for all, but take off your spoiler police cap and let the mods do their thing if they feel its necessary.
Luka Nieto,
Apologies. I thought I was being vague enough. If you’re reading Sue or any other admin, is there any way we can get the spoiler button back or at least have the bit we can copy and paste nearer the comment box as it’s a bit of a pain c&p it from the top of the comments…especially on the really long threads!
Mr Fixit,
It’s an example of it being badly written and badly executed. They could better use the time to flesh out Selmy or even Hizdahr zo Loraq as both are far more interesting and will prove to be far more important to the plot. Greyworm and Missandei is just a poor attempt at a love story between two characters who are as dull as ditchwater. We’ll have to disagree about that as I think the scenes with them in are borderline unwatchable. Quite hoping one or both of them get offed soon. Strange as I quite liked Missandei of the books but they have removed all the stuff that made her interesting.
TheTouchofFrost,
Oh yeah. You’re the soap opera guy.
Haters gonna hate. Bitches gonna bitch. Trolls gonna troll. Rygars gonna Rygar. 😉
Hizdahr zo Loraq? Interesting? What quantities of crack do you smoke per day? Also, we have no idea how important either Missendei or Grey Worm will be. Barristan could die before them for all we know at this point.
Also, you say it’s badly written and executed, then go on to complain about things that have nothing to do with writing or execution.
TheTouchofFrost,
Completely disagree —which is fine! 😉
For me, the scenes between Grey Worm and Missandei were among the sweetest, most heartfelt of the season. Many seem to agree, particularly among Unsullied (no pun intended…?). I hope (and expect) their relationship to develop even further in season five. That being said, their relationship has “robbed” the show of… 10 minutes, at most? Even if you don’t buy it, even if you deplore it, it’s not quite the time-wasting atrocity you’re painting it as.
That being said, I’d have enjoyed more of Hizdahr. But oh well, we have a whole season for that. What we had was basically a cameo, a sort of stealth introduction of a character who will become major in a future season, something the show has usually avoided thus far.
Also, Barristan didn’t do, say, or develop much until ADWD:
Huzzah!
Greyworm and Missandei have replaced Ros in the minds of those who believe the 5-7 minutes spent on them each season robbed us of having characters like Euron and Victarion on the show. We likely don’t get this very small relationship if GRRM didn’t write the Unsullied in the whore house bit in ADWD.
Agreed about Grey Worm and Missandrei, it went a long way towards humanizing the characters and showing the unsullied are humans like everyone else. And I preferred the Tyrion scenes from the final episode of last season to the books as well. Like someone said it, in the book it had this dark humorous tone about it but in the show it was just uncomfortable and tragic. Also Tyrion killing Tywin in cold blood just added meaning to his words about being Tywin’s son. He really is.
QuestioningHodor,
Which is very much in line with the path of the books. In AFFC, Jaime is told exactly that about himself and Tyrion by their aunt:
Tyrion Pimpslap,
And those are the people that have no concept of how to adapt A from B.
They can poop on those scenes all they want. However I scored major points by showing my sensitive side and got mad laid. Ya heard?
What’s particularly interesting, you’ll see almost no moaning about Missandei, Grey Worm, Ros, and the like from the Unsullied. It just shows you it’s predominantly the book readers’ fetish.
Luka Nieto,
Definitely, and in the books the humanizing of the unsullied happened as well, with brothel visits, and in the series they just changed those for characters we already know to make for better TV. A lot of the stuff in the show is lifted straight from the books but just fiddled a bit to fit better. And still people complain, it’s really weird.
You know, I’m still bothered that Jorah didn’t get/take his kiss from Dany before his banishment. This has led me to the following unabashed prediction:
Or maybe Grey Worm is getting that “last kiss” from Missandei. Either way…there will be a kiss involved in someone’s last moments.
There. I’ve said my piece for the day.
thats pretty horrible and lazy…why have these sucked post season 2?
Hodor’s Bastard,
You know… I like it. We shall see.
I hope that Kevan will say something similar to Jaime.
Dont forget Gilly and her babe those 2 are were the biggest time stealers last season.
It was so powerfull and tragic, I agree. Tyrion’s tears and coldness. Revenge is not sweet. There is no triumphalism or celebration. Son killed his own father. That’s all. Emptiness is the right feeling
The best part was when Varys heard the bells. I always get goosebumps when I watch that scene.
I’ve always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king,….
Show Tywin was my favorite character and that scene was very sad for me. I don’t know , but he was not a bad guy. He was like Frank Underwood or Walter White for me. Neither black nor white. Grey is the right color.
mau,
You have no idea how much I hope that’s the case. Since Kevan’s return was confirmed, I’ve been thinking he could be the relative who says that to Jaime, before he heads off to Dorne. If they’re taking Jaime’s character arc in the same direction as the books (trying —and failing— to become Tywin 2.0), it would be a great introduction to his character arc this season. A sort of dare.
mau,
Agree. That hollow feeling was perfect. And great reference, about the bells! I didn’t pick it up, but yeah, it must have been deliberate.
Don’t understand the dialogue about lack of nudity in one episode, there have quite a number of episodes without any.
Is S5E3 the one that many suspect where Brienne gets chased out of the Vale. There may not be graphic violence but wouldn’t that still constitute an act of violence, being chased by others intent on bodily harm.
BTW: I suspect Breinne and Pod will be running for their lives most of the season, LF wouldn’t want them getting back to Jaime with the news, so I am sure he will be sending bounty hunters after them.
The addition of the Miss/GW scenes are among my fav if not my favorite changes in the show adaption.
Kevan and Jaime have something in common. Brothers who are the true heirs, true sons of their fathers. Tytos Lannister was weak , I know, but you understand what I mean.
Pathfinder,
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Yes! More Gilly please. A very talented and under used actor.
Rygar,
Agreed. We may get your wish; after all, the actress’s been part of the main starring cast since season four, which you really wouldn’t expect if you only read the books. I’m sure she’ll have plenty to say and do in season five, whether they follow her and Sam’s AFFC storyline or not.
Luka Nieto,
Greenjones,
Let’s hope you’re right. Sam certainly can’t be present for Jon’s ADWD climax (which I believe will happen in 5×10.)
Rygar,
Come on now. A romance between two freed slaves one who’s the anatomical equivalent of a Ken doll is the epitome of soap opera!
Yivo,
Well, it’s subjective but I find his political manouvering far more interesting than a will they/won’t they where you know they won’t because they can’t! Soppy crap that does nothing to grab my interest. So you’re saying that people without testicles enjoy MissandGrey?! 😛
I’m not accusing it of being a crime but I do believe the time would have been better spent elsewhere. Selmy is one of the characters who’s witnessed the most in the entire universe of the series. More interaction with Dany about The Mad King, Rhaegar, Lyanna and why the war started would be pretty useful at this point as to cement it in the watcher’s minds. More Kingsguards stuff in general would have been great too as I personally find the whole institution one of the most interesting parts but I guess that ship has sailed.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
The difference for me is that Ros was a useful character to explore the main characters with and show the viewer scenes and parts of the world they may not have got to see without her adventures in whoring. MissandGrey don’t do this. They’re self-enclosed and as of now have added nothing to the main characters stories. Kill ’em both I say!
Can we stop adding to this contrived show vs book conflict, guys. It’s possible to criticise either without nailing your colours to the mast so to speak!
Hodor’s Bastard,
Some characters need to be introduced in S6.
Jared,
I appreciate your response. I am so looking forward to any further conversations between Sam and Aemon this season.
But given how the recent “maester Targ histories” were written (and the shiftiness of Pycelle and Qyburn), I sometimes wonder about the integrity of the Citadel. Even the maester historians got all their juicy and meaty info from Mushroom….he was the real oracle of Westeros! 🙂
I wonder if they could make Last Hearth an Oldtown extension? 🙂 We’ll find out!
Aemon! Please give us some insight on BR and Dunk and Egg before you pass on!
Talking about Sam we’ve got this from IGN.
Greenjones,
Huh. It’s one of the great things of the show; interactions between people you wouldn’t expect (though normally without any book-POV involved.) Sam and Stannis? Now, I wouldn’t have guessed that!
Luka Nieto,
Well, they do have an interaction in the books too if I’m not mistaken. But I’m sure you’re right, there will probably be new dialogue.
OrtMeyer,
Nice cover, that’s looks great!
Hodor’s Bastard,
The Oldtown conspiracy for me is one of the best things about a Feast for crows, I mean the all idea that the maesters
Joffrey’s Cunt,
New post from Making Game of Thrones – The Weapons of Dorne
http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/go-inside-the-weapons-of-dorne
Tommy Dunne talks about Obara’s spear, Nymeria’s whip, Tyene’s daggers, and Areo Hotah’s longaxe. The video also includes some nice images of the Sand Snakes in full costume, and rehearsal for a scene in which
Hodor’s Bastard,
It would be amazing to uncover all of those mysteries in the citadel! And if they will dive into it, I agree that they must all go there this season at least in the finally and with an introduction of the crow’s eye or at least by Yara, I know imdb is not to be trusted but she is on the cast list on E510. So there might some Ironborn revelation in the end. As far as that storyline have been going I’m lucky to have read it just one year ago so for me it has not been as painful as for you my friend 😛
But anyway let’s pray to lord of light to see these story lines evolve at least on season 6
Joffrey’s Cunt,
8 storylines a season is more than enough. There’s already so many subplots that adding a massive conspiracy is just too much.
I’m a bit unclear on the whole dragon dying thing. In ASoIaF proper, we were led to believe that there was a longer period of time in which the dragons were getting more and more feeble and stunted before finally dying out. At least that was my impression. However, after reading The World of Ice and Fire, none of it seems to be true, as if Martin changed his mind. Pretty much all the dragons died in the Dance with some going rogue and MIA. Only a single dragon survived under Targaryen command and died not long after.
Mr Fixit,
Exactly…which is why there is a confusing dueling maester perspective throughout TWoI&F. GRRM doesn’t want to commit himself to many things, especially regarding the temporary dragon departure from the world. Did some of the un-tamable ones survive for a while? How many frickin’ eggs are there and where (same with certain swords too)? How effective is dragonglass and certain horns? How is the force of magic related to the dragon’s rebirth? All this makes the conspiracy at the Citadel even more intriguing.
Hodor’s Bastard,
Yeah, but this particular point isn’t open to various interpretations. Dragons either got more deformed and slowly died out, or they all died in the war, strong as ever. ASoIaF says the former, TWoIaF the latter.
Holy crap, I am late to this party. What a great poster.
Yivo,
I know, which is why I believe it would be a good theme to start season 6
Dragons are overrated and IMO the only thing that makes this story/show a bit childish!
Like whenever I want to tell a friend to watch the show I feel embarrassed to mention the dragons!
Jofrey’s Cunt,
Season 6 will have just as many story lines. Possibly more.
Yivo,
Doubt it. By season six a number of storylines will have united.
Voice of Reason,
I think the dragons are a central ingredient. I’ve won people over on recommending the show because “It’s got dragons!”
Personally, I hope Oldtown doesn’t make it to screen. I don’t see why Sam can’t be there for
Oh, stahp. You are making me blush.
My friend’s first thought was “looks like Titanic”. :/
I guess Titanic ruined ship-prow shots forever.
GoT posters, ranked from BEST to WORST:
1. Season 1 – still the best. Ned, the throne, the raven… perfect.
2. Season 2 – visually striking, detailed, and original.
3. Season 4 – The raven is pretty awesome.
4. Season 5 – decent, but definitely lazy and recycled.
5. Season 3 – still the worst, most boring, uninspired piece of crap.
In my view, only S1 poster is really good. S2 is too generic, nothing there implies Game of Thrones to me in style or substance. S3 is a travesty, S4 is okay I guess (the black background for the Blu-ray cover is a marked improvement). S5 is alright. I like that it hints at an important plot point this season, which hasn’t been done before. Could have been better though.
ace,
I interpreted it to mean that he will be traveling down the Rhoyne (a river in Essos) as he does in the book on the way to Meereen, hopefully with a slew of awesome new characters. The mist is quite prevalent there especially where they encounter the gray men and the Shrouded Lord.