The Game of Thrones rumor mill: unconfirmed episode 8-10 titles

poster1Episode titles for the remaining episodes of Game of Thrones season 6 have surfaced on the internet today. The titles are unconfirmed and were not published by HBO, so take these with a grain of salt until we’re able to get a confirmation or a denial.

According to SpoilerTV, who gleaned the info from a Sky network website, the following titles cover the rest of the season. They’re in German, naturally, but we’ve translated the listed titles.

Season 6, episode 8: “Niemand” (“No One”)

Season 6, episode 9:  “Die Schlacht der Bastarde” (“The Battle of the Bastards”)

Season 6, episode 10: “Die Winde des Winters” (“The Winds of Winter”)

We’ve put out feelers to sources to try and verify if these titles are correct. Though Sky networks air Game of Thrones overseas, they are not HBO and don’t automatically have all their information, and overseas networks/providers have made mistakes before. To be blunt, I’d be surprised if these were entirely legit, in part because the titles fall so exactly in line with fan predictions. Often that signifies the provider has picked up on a fake or fan list online and mistaken it for the real thing. It would also be shocking and a little questionable of the show to use the name of George R.R. Martin’s next book before he has even published it. If it turns out to be correct, it certainly is a gutsy move, and hints at alarming things for the season finale.

We’ll keep our ears open and let you know if we hear anything!

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    1. The Comcast synopsis for tomorrow’s episode read “Hannah meets Sam’s family” until yesterday, so mistakes certainly are possible. I like the titles though.

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    2. I wondered on the legitimacy and didn’t realise they match exactly with fan speculation.

      Is it about time though that the episode titles came out, and “Winds of Winter” is in keeping with last seasons “Dance of Dragons”. I don’t see any issue with this title, winter is here after all. Although it’s a pretty revelatory title IMO.

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    3. I don’t care what the names of the episodes are as long as we get the end of the tower of joy sometime this season…pretty please!

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    4. While they’re fun, I seriously doubt they’re accurate. “The Battle Of The Bastards” has to be the worst episode name ever. I’d hope D&D would be more clever than that.

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    5. I like “No One” and “The Winds of Winter” as titles. “Battle of the Bastards” definitely strikes me as fan-made though…

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    6. I’m fine with these being legit. Sounds good to me.
      Man, I’m excited, but I also don’t want this season to end so soon. Only five more episodes.

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    7. These seem way too obvious, season 6 titles have been pretty ambiguous (e.g., “The Door,” “Book of the Stranger” could’ve meant anything prior to viewing the episodes).

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    8. Bastardbowl would have been funnier but I’ll settle for what’s here. I want to see Tormund cop a feel from Brienne and then run out and kill 20 Boltons with his bare hands.

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    9. Battle of the Bastards is fine in my book. It’d have been funnier if they named it “Bastardbowl” though.

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    10. Joey:
      Bastardbowl would have been funnier but I’ll settle for what’s here. I want to see Tormund cop a feel from Brienne and then run out and kill 20 Boltons with his bare hands.

      Dudeeee. I think we’re kindred spirits or something, haha.

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    11. I could almost believe the titles for episode 8 & 10, but I seriously doubt D&D would name an episode “the battle of the bastards.” Even though we all know that is the episode in which the battle will take place, usually the titles are more ambiguous.

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    12. Dee,

      Howcome, it’s like the most simple stuff ever, some pictures and titles are more interesting than others? Atleast before you’ve seen the episode.

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    13. I think “Battle of the Bastards” could be legit. In The Door, the similarity in Jon’s and Ramsay’s status (sons of their fathers) was pointed out by Sansa.
      I also think Winds of Winter is an awesome title and hints at utterly awesome events in the last episode of this season.

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    14. The more I think about these, the more I wonder. Battle of the Bastards is pretty lame (although we know this was being banded around the set at Saintfiled so ya never know).

      I’d have gone with “The North remembers” for ep 9.

      And if the finale title is correct- the wall is falling!!

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    15. hmm instead of calling it “Battle of Bastards” , I would have called it ” Winterfell is Mine” ..

      But then I am just sitting on the couch. Best of luck D&D

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    16. tkk,

      For example – people said the door was boring. What should it have been called ? Hold the door = hodor?

      Titles and photos are supposed to tease and be very ambiguous so as to not give anything away. The more ambiguous the more interesting and to me they can release 5 pics each of just a character standing there and it wouldn’t be boring because I still don’t know what to expect
      Hahaha

      Anyways whatever just wanted to mention that haha

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    17. Kay:
      I think “Battle of the Bastards” could be legit.

      yeah, but i think in English the correct title is more likely to be “Battle of Bastards” or “Battle of the Bastards”

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    18. I think it will be a preaty personal fight between Ramsey and Jon. So that’s why they chose this tittle..

      Just like we had ”The Viper and the Mountain” in S4

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    19. To me, they are bogus. So far we had 100% mystic titles, no way the last 3 will be so telling.
      “The Battle of the Bastards”? Seriously?

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    20. I’m in two minds. If they’re correct I wouldn’t be surprised but on the other hand, usually titles are far more suggestive, so I’m going with fake for now.

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    21. Sou:
      To me, they are bogus. So far we had 100% mystic titles, no way the last 3 will be so telling.
      “The Battle of the Bastards”? Seriously?

      How “mystic”? More like vague, but I see your point. Still, Battle of the Bastards is a bit on-the-nose but not that bad IMO. Not like they titled it “Ramsay vs. Jon”.

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    22. Someone remind me where did we first hear the battle of the bastards?Was it a fan thing or we got it from set reports cause I remember some extras allegedly using it and if it was the title of the episode it would make sense.

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    23. I knew these episode-titles since Wednesday, but unfortunately I couldn’t post them here, because my comments weren’t comming through somehow. (technical problems with WotW??)
      But “Niemand” could be also translated into “Nobody”.

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    24. “Battle of the Basterds” is a ridiculous title in my opinion!
      We’ve been waiting for this for how long? 3 years? and the book readers were waiting for this for like 10 years maybe more
      We deserve something better!
      “Blood of Winterfull” or something fancy like that

      I like 8 & 10 titles though

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    25. Morgoth,

      Ha ha, “mystic” in my understanding of the english word mystic. Which probably doesn’t correspond to everyone else’s understanding!

      I guess I shall have to look it up in a dictionary…

      EDIT: Checked it; ok, so I meant enigmatic. Obscure. Something like that.
      ?

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    26. Connor:
      A Time for Wolves for episode 9 title, maybe?

      Wasn’t that a working title for either TWOW or ADOS at one time? Of course we don’t know for certain that Jon is going to win the battle for Winterfell, though I certainly hope he does.

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    27. Apollo,

      I also think “The North Remembers” would be a perfect title for episode 9, but I believe that was the season two premiere title. Maybe “The North Remembers: For Real This Time” instead? 😉

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    28. Except that it’s the name of the first episode of season 2.

      Apollo:
      The more I think about these, the more I wonder. Battle of the Bastards is pretty lame (although we know this was being banded around the set at Saintfiled so ya never know).

      I’d have gone with “The North remembers” for ep 9.

      And if the finale title is correct- the wall is falling!!

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    29. People have often suggested using the titles of the books for individual episodes, which to date the series hasn’t done, so “The Winds of Winter” would be a departure from form if true. It’s a plausible one, though. “No One” is absolutely something I could see as a GOT episode title.

      I agree with those who think “The Battle of the Bastards” doesn’t really sound like something they’d use, though.

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    30. mau:
      D&D like to troll people, even GRRM, so I hope that The Winds of Winter is true. That would be legendary.

      I don’t even see it as trolling tbh (if legit), we had Dance of Dragons last year, and we’d been practically promised TWOW before this season aired. Only for GRRM to miss yet another deadline.. He only has himself to blame (on his own admission).

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    31. Sean C.: People have often suggested using the titles of the books for individual episodes, which to date the series hasn’t done, so “The Winds of Winter” would be a departure from form if true

      S05E09 : The Dance of Dragons. Not the exact title, but close enough.

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    32. Sorry, but there is NO WAY that D&D are actually going to use “The Battle of the Bastards” as an episode title. That’s “Attack of the Clones”-level cheesy. I could see them using “No One” and even “The Winds of Winter”, but the middle one is completely fake.

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    33. Flayed Potatoes:
      Looks like D&D released “The Winds of Winter” before George ?

      Love!

      http://watchersonthewall.com/guess-the-game-of-thrones-season-6-episode-titles/

      It looks like three people guessed “No One,” so I wouldn’t say that this first title was all that popular – not more so than the average of the titles we’ve had thus far, that is.

      We have one “Battle of Bastards” and eight or nine “Battle of the Bastards,” which is not as many as I thought there would be considering that there were fourteen instances of “Broken Men” and a dozen instances of “Oathbreaker.”

      However, we have forty “Winds of Winter,” so that title does stand out as fan-pandering. Still, if the Wall comes tumbling down, I cannot imagine a more appropriate name that wouldn’t be spoilerific. (My spoilerific title would be “The Long Night,” but that sounds like a better title for the Season Seven premiere.)

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    34. I remember listing out “The Battle of the Bastards” like so many others as a possible title, but I didn’t think then or do now that they would really go with it. Even if they are, I wouldn’t mind a title so acutely blunt.

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    35. Joey:
      Bastardbowl would have been funnier but I’ll settle for what’s here. I want to see Tormund cop a feel from Brienne and then run out and kill 20 Boltons with his bare hands.

      Bastardbowl might be funny but also anachronistic, as much as I hate using that word to apply to the language of a fantasy world that just happens to speak Modern English.

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    36. I don’t know if these are legitimate; ’tis true, they’re so on-the-mark it begs disbelief. If they are, though… well. Get hype.

      What follows is tangential. I don’t post here often, so stuff like this kind of festers in my mind and when I finally get the chance to say it, I end up with a fair bit to say. Anyway, I thought about this because folks were saying “The Winds of Winter” seems off but last season saw “The Dance of Dragons” (as well, Ramsay’s tongue-in-cheek “we’ll leave a feast for crows” name drop, heh).

      I want the penultimate and finale episodes for the entire series to be “A Time for Wolves” followed by “A Dream of Spring” — it’d just be fairly nifty for the second-to-last ep to be the bulk of the Great War’s final battle and then the last episode to be about how the heck the survivors will rebuild. This, of course, all follows the basic assumption that that’s how the endgame will even shape up; we don’t know, but my gut tells me it’s the likeliest sendoff.

      As fans, many of us are so wrapped in how there are probably only 13 episodes after this season (maybe even a bit less, and maybe [hopefully] a bit more) that we ponder how the rest of David’s and Dan’s version of the story can reach a satisfying conclusion so quickly. It’s a valid question, though for me I also concern myself with what sort of denouement we might see. TV showrunner J Michael Straczynski once said he thinks “after the war” is just as worth telling as “before” and “during”, and I agree, and that’s partly why I’m kind of sad we aren’t getting a full 20 episodes after Season 6. I don’t think we’re going to have time for that, not really, but I do think it’d be swell if we could at least get a finale hour centered on that question. Regardless of how things turn out — short, it should be said, of a full-fledged no-survivors finish (which I don’t think we’re facing) — the remnants of Westerosi society will need to take a good, hard look at how to conduct themselves going forward. I want a piece of that.

      So, yeah. “A Time for Wolves” with our intrepid heroes heroically doing heroic things and thwarting the Night’s King; “A Dream of Spring” as the snows thaw and Daenerys, Jon, Sansa, you know, *whoever*, discuss the new world they have brought forth.

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    37. Jenny:
      Someone remind me where did we first hear the battle of the bastards?Was it a fan thing or we got it from set reports cause I remember some extras allegedly using it and if it was the title of the episode it would make sense.

      The first place I heard it was from Luka, I think, but I didn’t keep up with fan speculation over the entire year. We knew that Jon and the Wildlings would be in an epic battle against Ramsay and various Northern houses under the Boltons. With both being bastards, it was natural to play on that in the title. And it is also natural to assume that major events might have alliterative names:

      Battle of Blackwater Bay
      Dance of the Dragons
      A Clash of Kings
      Battle of the Bells

      And so Bastards and a battle being alliterative, it is natural to call this conflict “The Battle of the Bastards.” Similarly, I think the final battle might be something like “The War of the White Walkers.”

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    38. Lady_Vicious1984:
      Apollo,

      I also think “The North Remembers” would be a perfect title for episode 9, but I believe that was the season two premiere title. Maybe “The North Remembers: For Real This Time” instead?

      ???
      Or “The North really remembers”

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    39. Zeus:
      Does the title of the episode in anyway affect how you enjoy the content?

      Absolutely not; it’s just something to talk about and pass time while the husband’s watching the Champions League Final with his pals in the living room.

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    40. The episode 9 title seems far too convenient, almost as if they’ve accepted everyone knows a huge battle will be taking place, involving said bastards. If they’re actually legit, of course.

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    41. Zeus:
      Does the title of the episode in anyway affect how you enjoy the content?

      Yes. I’m a huge fan of Lost, and their episode titles do enhance my enjoyment. I particularly loved “Tabula Rasa,” “House of the Rising Sun,” “Exodus,” “Through the Looking Glass,” and I could go on and on and on. Most of these titles were so perfect and so full of meaning for each episode that I suspect the titles or at least the themes came first and the plot was developed around the title or theme. GoT, however, seems to do plot first and then titles – or at least that’s my best guess.

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    42. Sean C.:
      People have often suggested using the titles of the books for individual episodes, which to date the series hasn’t done, so “The Winds of Winter” would be a departure from form if true.

      We’ve gotten somewhat close: “The Dance of Dragons” is quite close to ADwD and “You Win or You Die” is the second half of the sentence using “Game of Thrones”: “When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.” Plus, the entire series is GoT.

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    43. Apollo: http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html

      “Practically” promised I said. GRRM released a statement at the end of last year sayingTWOW won’t be out before S6 but before that he hoped he’d make his summer 2015 deadline, then October deadline, etc etc etc.

      And didn’t George say over and over and over that the show would never pass the books?

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    44. Dee,

      The stakes are higher. When you play sports, you win or you lose. When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. 🙂

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    45. Ginevra: And didn’t George say over and over and over that the show would never pass the books?

      Exactly. To be fair, I’m sure both he and D&D were convinced the show wouldn’t pass the books when the initial deal was done (2008?), but it was clear to me once S1 aired that he’d never get them out in time.

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    46. When they are gonna introduce us to Ser Twenty of House Goodmen?, can´t wait to see the living fookin legend.

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    47. The battle of the bastards sounds fake asf but if true I ain’t gonna complain.

      Edit:
      “The bastard” would have been cooler, or as someone else has mentioned “Winterfell”

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    48. “Battle of the Bastards”
      definitely sounds fanmade. Usually the episode titles are a bit smarter.. like “Book of the Stranger” or “Mother’s Mercy”

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    49. I never thought “The Battle of the Bastards” predictions were gonna be accurate, I just can’t see it as a title. That being said, I dont think the show would have any problem making Winds of Winter an episode name even without the book being released.

      EDIT: Same thing when so many people were predicting “Kingsmoot” to be an episode name, that was never gonna happen.

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    50. Pigeon,

      The battle isn’t a plot twist, they’ve been leading up to it since the very first episode of this season. Hell, they have shots of the battle in the trailers. It’s as obvious as it can be. So why the need for a mysterious/ambiguous title?

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    51. carbonUnit:
      While they’re fun, I seriously doubt they’re accurate. “The Battle Of The Bastards” has to be the worst episode name ever. I’d hope D&D would be more clever than that.

      Blackwater. The Watchers on the Wall. Hardhome.

      The battle episodes are always more blunt.

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    52. Luka Nieto,

      But those are terms from the books… The Battle of the Bastards is a fan made term so far.. correct? It isn’t a bad title. It just seems to line too perfectly with fan speculations.

      I also doubt they would pick such a spoilery episode title in case it leaked before Jon came back (unless it was just recently named)

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    53. HelloThere: The Battle of the Bastards is a fan made term so far.. correct?

      No, it isn’t. It was reportedly the term used by the crew during filming.

      Snowbowl is the fan-made term.

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    54. Connor,

      He’s called Sir Twenty of House Goodmen! Loyal bannerman to the boltons! Him and shirtless Ramsay together are unstoppable.

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    55. Ginevra,

      Hahaha…much better!!! Thank you! 🙂

      For those wondering about why people care about episode titles, for me I like speculating (and reading the speculation of others) based on what the titles are. Whether a title has an impact on my enjoyment of the episode, well, it certainly doesn’t negatively impact my enjoyment, but it can enrich it, albeit in a small way, in retrospect. Mostly, though, for me, it’s about the fun speculating what they could indicate before the episode airs. Sure, some of them are pretty clear, like the title for episode 7 (and, OMG, I can’t wait!!!), but even though it’s pretty certain there’s one thing we will get in that episode, it could point to other things, too.

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    56. Well, if ‘No One’ really is a title, I got one right…thought it would have been earlier in the season though; I had it as episode 06-03.

      ‘Battle of The Bastards’…um, that’s got me skeptical. If it really is the title of 06-09, others here are right; it will be the worst title of any episode.

      I still think 06-09 will either be ‘Winterfell’ or ‘The Bastard of Winterfell’.

      06-10…very well might be ‘Winds of Winter’, but I’m still holding out for what I predicted: ‘Night Fall’…

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    57. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Ginevra,

      For those wondering about why people care about episode titles, for me I like speculating (and reading the speculation of others) based on what the titles are.

      For those people who care nothing about episode titles, why are you in here, again?

      Fan speculation was spot on using the last episode title, right? Wow. “The Door” was so much more spoilery than I would have guessed.

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    58. Battle of the Bastards sounds alright. Reminds me of when people didn’t like “The Mountain and the Viper”, but I see no problem with simple names. There’s been quite a few in the past that were very obvious. “Fire and Blood” “Blackwater” “Rains of Castamere” “Hardhome” “The Lion and the Rose”. None of them require much genius to sort out.

      Winds of Winter is obviously a great title, have to give Martin credit for that.

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    59. I put little stock into episode names anymore. It was helpful before, now that we are all but past the books it’s not as predictable.

      Just replace one word in each title with hype and w’ere good 😉

      “No Hype”

      “Hype of the Bastards”

      “Winds of Hype”

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    60. Ginevra: All in all, it’s just another brick in the Wall.

      Will the White Walkers chant “Tear Down the Wall”?

      Apollo: To be fair, I’m sure both he and D&D were convinced the show wouldn’t pass the books when the initial deal was done (2008?), but it was clear to me once S1 aired that he’d never get them out in time.

      Well, even then, GRRM stated that he thought that he would be able to get back to a book ever 2-3 years. If he had been able to do that, then Spring would be coming out in the next 12 months if it was not already out.

      At this point, I will be surprised if Winter gets out before the series ends. GRRM really has become like that grad student who just never finishes his effin’ dissertation….

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    61. If it really is “The Battle of the Bastards” we will not get the end of the ToJ until either that episode or episode 10. I really hope that it ends with Bran finding out that Rhegar and Lyanna were married under a heart tree and that way the episode ends with us knowing that Jon was never a bastard but instead is the heir to the throne.

      I think this is why they had Sansa marry Tyrion under the Faith of the Seven (Rhegar and Elia) and Ramsey under the Old Gods (Rhegar and Lyanna), to serve as precident for the reveal.

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    62. Luka Nieto: Snowbowl is the fan-made term.

      Well, American Football fans invented that term more than 50 years ago: and we know what a big football fan GRRM is!

      😛

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    63. Joey: I think this is why they had Sansa marry Tyrion under the Faith of the Seven (Rhegar and Elia) and Ramsey under the Old Gods (Rhegar and Lyanna), to serve as precident for the reveal.

      There are dozens of more ways they could do it that viewers would instantly recognize that would work. Wedding vows have a general appearance to them: if they did do it under a weirwood tree, then we would not have needed Sansa’s 2nd wedding to recognize it.

      But that really begs the most important question: what will Sansa do for her third wedding?!?!?

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    64. Those could be real translated titles. Translations aren’t always accurate and some phrases just can’t be directly translated.

      I remember when Arnold’s The Running Man came and got the translated title of “Run of die”. That was fine.

      But then came Total Recall and it was translated as “Remember or die” 🙂 See a pattern, lol?

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    65. I very much doubt these are real. ‘The Battle of the Bastards’ was coined by fans IIRC and I think it sounds way too silly to be a legit title. I could buy the other two, though ‘The Winds of Winter’ is also quite obvious.

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    66. Ginevra,

      I would say Game of Thrones has much better episode titles than Lost generally. You had a fair few of cheesy or boring ones like “…And Found”, “The Last Recruit”. And like half of the titles were generic one word titles: “Special”, “Solitary”, “Outlaws”, “316”, “Recon”, “S.O.S” and so on.

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    67. Wimsey,

      I meant that she is legitimately married to both of them under two different faiths, therefore Jon could be the legitimate heir and not a bastard if Rhegar also married under the two different faiths. If she had a son with Tyrion he could claim the throne, if she has a son with Ramsay he would be the heir to Winterfel.

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    68. It would also be shocking and a little questionable of the show to use the name of George R.R. Martin’s next book before he has even published it.

      Why? This season is an adaptation of that work, after all!

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    69. I doubt Rhaegar and Lyanna were married, and even if they were…
      How is that gonna work…. Is Jon just gonna find some long lost marriage certificate and prove this? lol

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    70. mau:
      D&D like to troll people, even GRRM, so I hope that The Winds of Winter is true. That would be legendary.

      Yeah…but they already majorly trolled GRRM (and his devotees) with “I feel the winds of winter as they lick across the land.” from the farcical theatre troupe in ep5. Oh well, even though I am not handling this spoilery shit well, troll on, D&D…GRRM deserves it.

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    71. Joey,

      Oh! No, Sansa was only able to “legitimately” marry Ramsay because her marriage to Tyrion never was consummated: and therefore that marriage could be declared annulled. (This comes up in both media.) It was not a ticket to polyandry for Sansa. But that is why the Boltons were concerned about whether Sansa was still a virgin. Well, that, and men always want virgin wives and daughters in law as a way to make sure that any child from her womb can only be his.

      If Rhaegar married Lyanna, then he must have “set aside” (divorced) Elia first. Of course, we now have the problem of how this could have been done in a way that can be proven without there having been a paper trail.

      However, my bet is that Jon is going to remain a bastard.

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    72. Ashley:
      I don’t care what the names of the episodes are as long as we get the end of the tower of joy sometime this season…pretty please!

      I agree. I don’t give two shits what titles the episodes will be. It beats me why there is so much speculation and hype over GoT episode titles. Just enjoy S6 as it comes as when episode 10 has been aired, its a bloody long wait to Season 7 !

      I too hope at some point during this season, the big question of: “Who was Jon Snow’s mother?” will finally be answered 😉

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    73. Hodors Bastard,

      Is that really “Trolling” him? I know that I am dating myself here, but once upon a time, “trolling” was reserved only for that guy who made everything about how great Jesus was and how the rest of us were damned. Which was, you know, very pertinent to baseball or SciFi or whatever…. Now it seems to be a catch-all word for so many things that I don’t know what people mean. But I certainly do not see it as belittling or demeaning GRRM at all.

      I guess that I just don’t buy into this “spoiling” concept. To me, it’s like people who say that they don’t want to know the sex of a fetus because they want it to be a surprise. Well, guess what: it’s an (approximately) 50:50 surprise whether you learn it 4 months after conception or 9 months after! It’s the same thing here: I am interested in the story and the general plot. Whether I read it or watch it is besides the point: one medium or the other, I will get the important stuff for a first time.

      Besides, and as we have discussed before, I suspect that the TV series will be the only time we get the important Dream material, anyway.

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    74. Hodors Bastard,

      By the way, HB,, I have not caught you since last episode! So, this revelation about the Walkers was huge (if slightly lost in the Hodor Incident). They are much more a trope from Science Fiction than from Fantasy (think Cylons or Daleks in TV terms.) It also is riffing on our own history quite a bit.

      We’ve discussed before how all of this got started and how all of the major players relate to each other. So, if the Children are as wise and clever as humans are, then they will look at this colossal back-firing mistake of creating the Walkers and think: “The best way to control this pest we’ve introduced is…. !lightbulb! … create a new control predator to take them down!!!!”

      Do you think it possible that we’ll learn that Azor Ahai somehow (or somehow became) that instrument of “corrective” destruction? (As you know, I’ve suspected that R’hllor is what is left of AA: and I’m wondering if we’ve just gotten a small taste of how.)

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    75. Black Raven: I too hope at some point during this season, the big question of: “Who was Jon Snow’s mother?” will finally be answered

      Did we ever learn who they cast to play Ashara Dayne, then?

      😎

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    76. Wimsey: Will the White Walkers chant “Tear Down the Wall”?

      Exactly.

      Bran the Builder built a great wall;
      Bran the Night’s King made it all fall;
      Of all the Stark’s wolves and all the Stark’s men,
      Only Bran the Seer could see the Night’s end.

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    77. Wimsey: Is that really “Trolling” him?

      I think it is a definite jab, using a phrase like that out of the blue with no other context than the pending novel with no scheduled due date.

      I agree that most reveals in the show are tip of the iceberg stuff. As you know, I am very fond of the back stories and minor details that enrich this exceptional tale. Back in 2011/2012, I wanted “books before film” and I chanted it often on the boards, but obviously the game has shifted for the comparative analysts out there. I wonder if Neal Gaiman still stands behind his “not your bitch” comments given the recent slew of reveals about (possible) canon.

      Personally, at this point I hope one of the titles of the upcoming episodes is R+L=J+M. 🙂

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    78. Joey:
      If it really is “The Battle of the Bastards” we will not get the end of the ToJ until either that episode or episode 10.

      I see your point! We need Jon to stay a bastard through Episode 9 for the title to stay relevant, assuming the title is correct. I do think we can still see the ToJ and Baby Jon as the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar in Episode 6 (tomorrow!) without establishing the marriage and thus the legitimacy of Jon, saving both of these reveals until Episode 10.

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    79. cosca:
      Ginevra,

      I would say Game of Thrones has much better episode titles than Lost generally. You had a fair few of cheesy or boring ones like “…And Found”, “The Last Recruit”. And like half of the titles were generic one word titles: “Special”, “Solitary”, “Outlaws”, “316”, “Recon”, “S.O.S” and so on.

      I love “… And Found”!

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    80. To be honest, I don’t know that George will recognize this impending conflict is known as “The Battle of the Bastards” and will be known as such in the history of Westeros. D&D could very well go with the fan name for the battle everyone assumed would happen and use it as the title. Does that make it better or worse? I’m okay with using it but I’d have gone with something a little more poetic, like “Snows of Winter” that also ties in with the winds of winter, or like what Seriano mentioned above, “Snowfall.”

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    81. The battle of the bastards isn’t ideal because Ramsay isn’t a bastard anymore.

      Winterfell should be the penultimate episode of the series before a dream of spring.

      A time for wolves should come before both when the starks start kicking some tail.

      If winterfell is where winter actually fell during the long night then I think it will likely happen again…and a stark will be a focal point for that happening.

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    82. Hodors Bastard: I think it is a definite jab, using a phrase like that out of the blue with no other context than the pending novel with no scheduled due date.

      But if (as so many of us expect) this is when the Walkers “break on through to the other side” (to sort riff on a different band from the 1960’s that Hodor loved), then it would seem that this is a perfect title.

      Hodors Bastard: I wonder if Neal Gaiman still stands behind his “not your bitch” comments given the recent slew of reveals about (possible) canon.

      Possibly! However, Gaiman never has worried about “canon”: his stories are always completely self-contained, and nobody would read them for “world-building.”

      But, then, that is also why none of this bothers me. Neither show nor books are “canon” to me: as GRRM himself often tells people, the answer to “how many husbands/children did Scarlett O’Hare have?” is not the one in the book or in the movie: she never existed and thus never had kids.

      I am, however, very interested in the story, and I’ve long thought that the resolution is going to involve heartbreaking choices for Jon and Daeny (and possibly Tyrion, Bran & Arya). What I like about the Walker reveal is that one could envision many (many!) such possibilities now that we know that they, themselves, are pawns created in response to an “evil” rather than out of some “evil.”

      (And, one way or another, I’d like to see the conclusion of this story. At this point, I really do not care if it’s TV, book or a series of emails.)

      Hodors Bastard:Personally, at this point I hope one of the titles of the upcoming episodes is R+L=J+M.

      Why not make it Timey Wimey and have it R+L<-J+M?

      😛

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    83. Ginevra: I do think we can still see the ToJ and Baby Jon as the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar in Episode 6 (tomorrow!)

      I cannot wait to see an infant with long flowing locks of curly black hair and a brooding glower. (Or maybe just gas.)

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    84. Wimsey:
      Ginevra,

      When did Roger Waters write that?!?!?

      When he was a Mother, you silly Goose.

      I started with John Cougar Mellencamp and then diversified. “I am vast. I contain multitudes.”

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    85. Wimsey: We’ve discussed before how all of this got started and how all of the major players relate to each other.

      I am rather thrilled that we were dancing close to the edge of this CotF/WW reveal with various conjectures regarding the misrepresentation of “evil” in the far north and the truth behind the WW encroachments.

      I hope the CotF’s choice for NK is an interesting story as well (I was wondering if he was an original Stark). It also puts a whole new twist on the power of obsidian and valyrian steel. Were dragons in the picture in Westeros back then? Why are the CotF-created Frankensteins susceptible to dragon-related material? The end-game certainly can’t be that simple, can it?

      That last episode contained so many debatable aspects regarding canon, it was almost overwhelming…even during my third viewing! Furthermore, LF’s words to Sansa in the episode (and to SweetRobin in the prev episode) have me rethinking possible LF manipulation scenarios as well, from bolstering ideas that he did indeed know about Ramsay beforehand to rehashing ideas that he may be the pink letter author. Or was it really the showrunner’s intent to show cracks in the superficial armor of both Varys and LF in the same episode?

      Hardly a dull moment this season….and I am just realizing how spoiled I was during past seasons with handfuls of canon milestones to debate and filibuster about… 🙂

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    86. “Battle of the Bastards”

      Wouldn’t it be funny if that in part meant the Sand Snakes killing Tommen? It would probably be Asia Spice, as she hasn’t personally murdered as many innocent people as her sisters.

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    87. Clob,

      Im actually of the oppinion that “The Battle of The Bastards” might never happen in the books, and that the writers have chosen to off Stannis early in order to have Jon and Sansa head the battle at Winterfell.
      We know in the books that TWOW starts with a massive battle between Stannis and the Boltons. I doubt GRRM would have a massive battle @ Winterfell followed by Stannis loosing, and then have another massive battle with Jon.
      I think Stannis wins in the book and dies later in another situation.

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    88. rhymeswithweak:
      The battle of the bastards isn’t ideal because Ramsay isn’t a bastard anymore.

      In the literal sense, he is. No piece of paper can change that. Ramsay’s questionable birthright, despite the legitimization, weakens his claim as lord and warden.

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    89. E9’s title doesn’t have to be ambiguous because the episodes before it will show them preparing for battle. The audience will know it’s coming.

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    90. Ginevra: I do think we can still see the ToJ and Baby Jon as the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar in Episode 6 (tomorrow!) without establishing the marriage and thus the legitimacy of Jon, saving both of these reveals until Episode 10.

      I was wondering what we’d get in episode 6 if we didn’t get a big reveal until episode 10, but your suggestion works for me. I still don’t know how the legitimacy of Jon will be established, in other words, what evidence there will be of the marriage, but I’ve little doubt they did, indeed, get married. Sure, Rhaegar was already married to Elia, but however long ago it may have happened, there is precedent for Targaryen polygamy.

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    91. It might be true but D&D usualy goes for more vague titles and this one is just too easy. Bastards instead of The Battle of Bastards and I would buy this one.

      Ginevra,

      I think we’ll see it likely in the finale, the whole reveal. If Jon is legitimate or not is irrelevant now. All the people concerned are dead, no proof or likely to be destroyed and army of zombies coming to them.

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    92. HelloThere,

      I agree. The Starks will return to Winterfell in TWoW but it wont be Jon and Sansa rallying the north to fight Ramsay for it.

      Book Speculation: its been hinted that Sansa will be victim of kidnapping (someone taking her to Cersie for reward). That will serve to get her out of the Vale but she escapes (maybe helped/rescued by Brienne and Pod) and heads north leading to reunion with Jon (which I believe will happen in the books) and taking her place in the Northern plot line, which I think she will be important part of.

      so The Battle of The Bastards works for me as title…and love Winds of Winter for finale title because that SHOULD be the next new GOT stuff we get (looking at you GRRM) and should be decent amount of what we get in season 7

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    93. Icekhione:
      Lord Farstark,

      You think Winterfell of Bastard of Winterfell would be better? lol
      You think TBoTB is worse than, say, Home or The Door?

      Trolling: When you’ve got nothing of value to add to the conversation, but desperately crave attention. So sad…

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    94. Wimsey: I am, however, very interested in the story,

      Not if you are using the word “story” like it is taught in literary classes. Depending on who is counting, there are as few as seven and probably no more than a couple dozen stories in the world! And by themselves, they are profoundly NOT interesting. Rather, they are barebone archetypes, things like the Achilles’ Heel Downfall, the Find the McGuffin Quest, or the Rags to Riches Triumph.

      ASOIAF is large and contains a number of intertwining stories, but none of them at the story level are unique: Arya’s on a revenge arc, Bran and Jon are on monster-slaying arcs, Cersei is on an Achilles’ Heel arc, Jaime is on a redemption arc, etc. There is simply nothing interesting about anything at that level of non-detail. Rather, it is plot and characterization, and to a lesser extent setting, that make works of fiction interesting and, potentially, great.

      You often say the TV and book versions are the same “story’ despite wide differences in plot and characterization, and more often than not you are correct. However, this is a profoundly dull and unimportant observation. Saying two versions are “the same story” is like saying two paintings have the same color palette. Would you say the Mona Lisa and Monet’s Water Lilies are the “same painting” because if you stuck them in Photoshop and hit the blur button a thousand times, they’d both become a field of the same drab green-grey? The assertion that they are the same at this very high level of abstraction is true, but all you now have are two entirely uninteresting images.

      In almost all cases, the show and the books are the same at the most abstracted story level, but this is also an uninteresting statement. With only a handful of such story archetypes to choose from, it would take effort NOT to have them match up. And in the cases they don’t…well let’s just say I get pretty annoyed. We can leave that discussion for another day, though.

      At the story level, the biggest question is Daenerys. Is she on a Slay the Monster arc with Jon and Bran, or a Corrupted by Power arc and doomed to become a monster who needs to be slain? Martin (and by extension, D&D) has done a good job of keeping this ambiguous.

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    95. Geralt of Rivia:
      Ginevra,
      I think we’ll see it likely in the finale, the whole reveal. If Jon is legitimate or not is irrelevant now. All the people concerned are dead, no proof or likely to be destroyed and army of zombies coming to them.

      It’s so hard to say on these things. I would give ToJ a 30 to 50% chance of showing up in this Sunday’s episode, which leaves a 50 to 70% chance for Episode 10 since not seeing the end of the ToJ is not an option! I’m very much hoping that the Tourney at Harrenhal is one of the other scenes we’ll get to see, and even though this tournament happens chronologically before the ToJ, I think they could work it in before or after.

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    96. mau,

      I think Jon will remain dead for longer in the books
      also, the books have such a larger scope that GRRM might have other plans for him in the mean time.

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    97. Green Chili: Yes, they will – three of them. Jon, Sansa and Catelyn. Mark my words.

      Bless. Are we talking the book or Episode 10 or Season Six? I need to know while I write this down.

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    98. HelloThere:
      Clob,

      Im actually of the oppinion that “The Battle of The Bastards” might never happen in the books, and that the writers have chosen to off Stannis early in order to have Jon and Sansa head the battle at Winterfell.
      We know in the books that TWOW starts with a massive battle between Stannis and the Boltons.I doubt GRRM would have a massive battle @ Winterfell followed by Stannis loosing, and then have another massive battle with Jon.
      I think Stannis wins in the book and dies later in another situation.

      Stannis’s battle and death were supposed to be at the end of Dance, weren’t they? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I kept feeling like GRRM wanted that and a Meereen battle as the climaxes of ADwD. As it is, this book has no climax whatsoever.

      Jon has to be in a battle for Winterfell because Melisandre actually saw Jon in the flames, not Stannis. I suppose it is possible that Jon could have been in the battle with Stannis, in the books, but I think part of the reason Mel mistook Jon for Stannis is that Jon was leading the battle.

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    99. Ginevra,

      Mel could very well be seeing Jon in a battle at Winterfell,but not against Ramsay
      …its very obvious to me (in the books) thats where the first big human/NK showdown is going to happen

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    100. Ginevra: Stannis’s battle and death were supposed to be at the end of Dance, weren’t they?

      Only according to the author of the PL. The Winterfell and CB storylines in ADwD are not in sync at all. The WF storyline is seriously lagging behind the CB events and Stannis’ heartbeats and strategizing will definitely continue (at least for a few Theon PoV chapters) in TWoW.

      (Then again…if Ramsay did not write the PL…hmmmm…the events at CB and WF may yet be in sync…)

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    101. Dee:
      Why am I more nervous for GOT episode tomorrow than my team’s champions league final Game right now

      Tell me you supported Real Madrid! They won ?? I couldn’t watch the game because I’m working but I just saw the score and I’m so glad! ?

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    102. Joey: I want to see Tormund cop a feel from Brienne

      Really? You think that he could survive sexually abusing her with all his limbs intact?

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    103. Violencersei: But “Niemand” could be also translated into “Nobody”.

      Or Noman: In which Jorah the Explorer receives a dicey invitation to take tea with a Cyclops and takes evasive measures to protect his identity…

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    104. Quinton O'Connor: it’d be swell if we could at least get a finale hour centered on that question. Regardless of how things turn out — short, it should be said, of a full-fledged no-survivors finish (which I don’t think we’re facing) — the remnants of Westerosi society will need to take a good, hard look at how to conduct themselves going forward. I want a piece of that.

      Only one episode following the climactic battle doesn’t strike me as nearly enough. “Big baddies get defeated” does not constitute a satisfying wind-up, in my view, nor would a “Survivors put their kids on the Hogwarts Express 19 years later” coda. I want to see the reforms as Westerosi society is rebuilt, or at least their beginnings! Tyrion gets elected first prime minister of the new Parliament – stuff like that. And some more intimate moments as well, whether it’s the birth of Lanna of Tarth or the ribbon-cutting at Benjen and Stonesnake’s new mountain sports outfitter shop north of where the Wall used to be or Hot Pie baking somebody’s wedding cake.

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    105. Ginevra: It’s so hard to say on these things.I would give ToJ a 30 to 50% chance of showing up in this Sunday’s episode, which leaves a 50 to 70% chance for Episode 10 since not seeing the end of the ToJ is not an option!I’m very much hoping that the Tourney at Harrenhal is one of the other scenes we’ll get to see, and even though this tournament happens chronologically before the ToJ, I think they could work it in before or after.

      Isnt the chance for ToJ this episode 100%? Since everyone was saying Jack Bender was spotted at the set? Yet everywhere i look, everyone seems to think we won’t get TOJ till the finale.

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    106. JonFookinSnow:
      Connor,

      He’s called Sir Twenty of House Goodmen! Loyal bannerman to the boltons! Him and shirtless Ramsay together are unstoppable.

      You know what they say stands behind every Goodmen. I want to see this Amazon infantry they’ve got held in reserve!

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    107. HelloThere:
      Ginevra,

      Did she see Jon fighting @ Winterfell in the books as well? Or only in the show?

      Perhaps just in the show. I cannot find reference to it in the books, even though I thought that vision had been mentioned in both with Mel just thinking it was Stannis not Jon leading the battle, so that particular vision might not exist in the books.

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    108. Wimsey: Will the White Walkers chant “Tear Down the Wall”?

      …while the surviving Children of the Forest chant, “Leave us kids alone!”

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    109. Wimsey: But that really begs the most important question: what will Sansa do for her third wedding?!?!?

      Oh dear. What do they do at weddings performed by red priests? Immolate the flower girl?

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    110. Firannion: Only one episode following the climactic battle doesn’t strike me as nearly enough.“Big baddies get defeated” does not constitute a satisfying wind-up, in my view, nor would a “Survivors put their kids on the Hogwarts Express 19 years later” coda. I want to see the reforms as Westerosi society is rebuilt, or at least their beginnings! Tyrion gets elected first prime minister of the new Parliament – stuff like that.And some more intimate moments as well, whether it’s the birth of Lanna of Tarth or the ribbon-cutting at Benjen and Stonesnake’s new mountain sports outfitter shop north of where the Wall used to be or Hot Pie baking somebody’s wedding cake.

      Oh, I hear you. I’d rather have all of that to be sure. 😛 But in my mind at least, the way things are headed, the end of this season will constitute a dramatic breakdown (The Wall in a literal sense; King’s Land in a… perhaps-literal sense? etc) and the seven or so episodes of the seventh season will constitute Daenerys’ journey and arrival in Westeros, all things political coming to a rapid and final head… and then the six or so episodes of the eighth season are what we get insofar as total armageddon up North. If that’s how things play, one hour for the restoration effort might be… liberal. D:

      It’s hard for me to fathom things going any other fashion, given the broad strokes of the story. But perhaps Daenerys never goes to King’s Landing? Perhaps she’s led northbound by Red Priestesses at the onset of the next season? I suppose there are all sorts of ways in which things can be sped up considerably and potentially allow for more time to see the aftermath of all this craziness.

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    111. Syed Kabir: Isnt the chance for ToJ this episode 100%? Since everyone was saying Jack Bender was spotted at the set? Yet everywhere i look, everyone seems to think we won’t get TOJ till the finale.

      Did we have picture confirmation, or was that just a rumor? Someone upthread said that Shae was near a Season Six set, and I would put her chances of returning at 0%. But a picture of Bender outside the Tower of Joy would at least flip-flop my probabilities, for me personally.

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    112. The actor who plays Young Ned, Robert Aramayo, said

      he’d have a brief appearance in episode 6, then a more substantial appearance in episode 10 (I’m paraphrasing)

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    113. How about Winterfell’s bastards?

      I’ve always liked battle of the bastards, and the battle episodes have been fairly direct in their titles, so it could be legit.

      I, like others believe the final scene of this season will be the breach/fall of the wall by the NK. So that title could be legit as well. And No one…I like it. I’m just excited for the rest of this amazing season, but not looking forward to the long wait between s6 and s7. Get hype!

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    114. Firannion: Oh dear. What do they do at weddings performed by red priests? Immolate the flower girl?

      The bridge and groom if they are not good at jumping! 😀

      Firannion: I want to see the reforms as Westerosi society is rebuilt, or at least their beginnings! Tyrion gets elected first prime minister of the new Parliament – stuff like that.

      heh, a lot of people want that! However, it strikes me as pretty implausible. Neither book nor show has introduced a Whig movement anywhere. Moreover, Westerosian society is still well-short of where our societies were when that happened. And given the ridiculously slow rate of social evolution (which is the single most unrealistic thing about any and all “epic fantasy” stories!), they are millenia away from that.

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    115. Wimsey: it’s like people who say that they don’t want to know the sex of a fetus because they want it to be a surprise. Well, guess what: it’s an (approximately) 50:50 surprise whether you learn it 4 months after conception or 9 months after!

      Totally off-topic, but there is a practical reason for wanting to wait until a baby’s birth to know the sex – one that I found compelling enough to ask not to be told that piece of the results of my son’s amniocentesis: It means that the people coming to the baby shower are forced to buy non-gender-stereotyped clothing and other gifts. You get lots of nice green and yellow and orange and purple outfits, and no hideous floral headbands or frilly dresses if it’s a girl or mini-macho clothes covered with trucks and footballs if it’s a boy. It’s not yourself, the parent, whom you necessarily want to surprise; it’s the rest of the relatives who don’t necessarily share your taste for what constitutes ‘adorable.’

      And now, back to our regularly scheduled program…

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    116. How about S06E09: “The Flayed Man and the Wolf”, à la “The Mountain and the Viper”, “The Lion and the Rose”, etc?

      Having said that, I prefer the tradition of naming battle episodes after the locations of the battle featured, so “Winterfell” works for me.

      I hope “The Battle of the Bastards” is not legit. Far too on-the-nose. “No One” and “The Winds of Winter” I like.

      I must be patient. Sigh. Is it Sunday yet?

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    117. Wimsey: Gaiman never has worried about “canon”: his stories are always completely self-contained, and nobody would read them for “world-building.”

      I beg to differ. The world-building for London Below in Neverwhere is exquisite.

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    118. Ginevra: When did Roger Waters write that?!?!?

      When he was a Mother, you silly Goose.

      Nope. Roger Waters was never in the Mothers. Ian and Ruth Underwood were, and Jean-Luc Ponty, and Flo & Eddie, and George Duke, and Lowell George, and Aynsley Dunbar, and even Van Dyke Parks, very briefly. But never Roger Waters.

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    119. HelloThere: I doubt GRRM would have a massive battle @ Winterfell followed by Stannis loosing, and then have another massive battle with Jon.
      I think Stannis wins in the book and dies later in another situation.

      The problem with this is one of storytelling. The Boltons really should be defeated by one of the main characters, and preferably ones with Stark ties. Stannis is not a protagonist in the books: he never is even a PoV character. One of the things that really came home to me watching the show is that it would just be a completely arbitrary turn of events for Sansa, Jon and Arya (and possibly Bran) if Stannis beats Ramsay.

      The other thing is (as always!) the story! This season is giving us a story about strange bedfellow alliances and the personal costs of arranging them. As all of the prior seasons have given us the same story as the corresponding book(s), I have to think that this is the Winter story, too. (It would be a very GRRM story.) Jon leading a battle against the Boltons with his Wildling horde is going to demand that: in the books, it is even more emphatically stated that the Northerners hatred for the Wildlings runs very deep.

      My suspicion is that part of the show resolution is going to be Sansa swallowing her pride and enlisting Baelish’s help: and, of course, Baelish will be poised to help. I suspect that it will be a little more arbitrary in the book, but we will get the same plot device.

      Ginevra: . As it is, this book has no climax whatsoever.

      The climax is in story, not plot. Usually those happen together, but not in this case. However, Jon, Daeny, Bran, Tyrion, Arya, and even Jaime & Cersei are all at similar apices in their character arcs. But, basically, all either are “reduced to ash” and (at most) starting to emerge at the end.

      Hodors Bastard: (Then again…if Ramsay did not write the PL…hmmmm…the events at CB and WF may yet be in sync…)

      heh, at this point: people really have to let go of that straw!

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    120. Firannion: Roger Waters was never in the Mothers

      She might have been referring to who sang the part of “Mother” in The Wall. However… Gilmour sang Mother’s part in “Mother” and “The Thin Ice.” Waters sang it on “The Trial.”

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    121. Other rumored titles:

      Brienne and Tormund Make A Porno

      The Oddest Couple, starring Ygritte & Ollie

      WWF’s Battle of the Bastards

      and for book readers:

      My Mother The Reborn Zombie

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    122. Wimsey,

      Ginevra,

      When did Roger Waters write that?!?!?

      When he played bass for Paul Revere & The Raiders.

      😉 Just kidding guys.

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    123. Wimsey: She might have been referring to who sang the part of “Mother” in The Wall.However… Gilmour sang Mother’s part in “Mother” and “The Thin Ice.”Waters sang it on “The Trial.”

      It was a joke.

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    124. Dee:
      Labs,

      Of course I did – check out my other comments ? hahah
      HALA MADRID! That was a stressful one…

      I checked it right after I posted the comment, sorry! ?
      It was!! I was getting live updates and I was so freaking out! But, in the end, everything worked out in our favour! If only I wasn’t working, I would have watched it at a pub here in Mtl where the ambiance would have been amazing! ?

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    125. Wimsey,

      I like the way you think, Wimsey. And that goes for the rest of the Watchers On The Wall. This is one cool site.

      Hey, I’m a sappy Irish guy, what can I say? 😉

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    126. Wimsey:
      Firannion,

      heh, well, clearly there were jokes involved: the problem was figuring out exactly how it was aimed!

      I was playing the disingenuous Zappa fan, if there is such a thing.

      Edit: …and with Asperger’s syndrome, probably.

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    127. Firannion: disingenuous Zappa fan, if there is such a thing.

      I doubt Frank was ever disingenuous. Guilty of wearing tight overalls, yes, but disingenuous never.

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    128. rhymeswithweak:
      OT:

      Careful with that Axe Eugene!

      …or whatever the hell that thing Lancel is holding.

      I was thinking that someone should make a meme out of the line of armed Sparrows on the right side of the steps with the caption, ‘Batter up!’

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    129. rhymeswithweak,

      Poor, poor Lancel. Easily one of the top five greatest “I know who that is… give me a second, I’ll remember… it’s on the tip of my tongue… that guy!” characters on the show.

      He deserved better, until he became a total arsehole.

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    130. Wimsey: She might have been referring to who sang the part of “Mother” in The Wall.However… Gilmour sang Mother’s part in “Mother” and “The Thin Ice.”Waters sang it on “The Trial.”

      I was referring to Mother Goose as the author rather than Waters, which is why I’d capitalized both the M and G in “Mother, you silly Goose.” Normally I wouldn’t call Wimsey a “silly goose.” Humpty Dumpty was the original. That wasn’t nearly as obvious as I’d hoped it would be. I apologize for being obscure.

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    131. Ginevra,

      To which I slap myself on the forehead and go: “D’oh!” No, you were not being obscure: I was being obtuse! (But alliterative.) I blame cultural metaphor mixing. And society in general for that matter.

      rhymeswithweak,

      And Pow R. Toc H. to you.

      Seriously, one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs is “Flaming” from Piper. The lyrical imagery has always captivated me. (Of course, the album title “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn” is great, too. Maybe he was the minstrel for the Daynes?)

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    132. Had the pleasure of meeting Esme Bianco, Eugene Simon and Julian Glover today at the Con in Houston. What lovely, charming people! To say I am over-the-moon would be an understatement. However, I did tell Eugene that the way things are headed in Kings Landing that I am worried about Lancel. He said that I should be and to make sure and watch the show Sunday night…as if I’d miss it! 🙂

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    133. Sullied by Knight:
      Had the pleasure of meeting Esme Bianco, Eugene Simon and Julian Glover today at the Con in Houston.What lovely, charming people!To say I am over-the-moon would be an understatement.However, I did tell Eugene that the way things are headed in Kings Landing that I am worried about Lancel.He said that I should be and to make sure and watch the show Sunday night…as if I’d miss it!?

      Did you get any pics? The buff and gruff, post-Sparrow Lancel looks so fundamentally different than his powder puff fairy look of the first couple of seasons. I wonder if he looks more gruff and tough out of costume, as well.

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    134. My wife likes the wall…as do I of course along with other mainstream songs but she thinks I’m nuts listening to record two of ummagumma.

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    135. Ginevra,

      He is truly so handsome with the cutest dimple. lol (Full discloure: I am old enough to be his mother!) He is absolutely charming. We talked about the change in his “look” over the seasons as I mentioned he is probably the most physically transformed. I couldn’t stand that page boy wig! He actually spoke quite a bit about Lancel’s mental transformation, his relationship to the other Lannisters, his new found faith and how he would like his father, Kevan, to accept the faith, as well, to feel the peace that comes with the belief. I found that last part interesting…

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    136. rhymeswithweak:
      Did no one get my Floyd reference? I was all proud of myself for coming up with that Axe quip.

      I did. That was about the period that I was listening to Floyd (pharmaceutically assisted of course). By the time The Wall came out, they had already gone too commercial for my tastes!

      But that song title has always reminded me of another iconic album of my hippie days: Firesign Theater’s ‘Don’t Crush That Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers.’ Maybe that could be the title of the episode where Tyrion meets Ramsay?

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    137. Sullied by Knight:
      Ginevra,

      He is truly so handsome with the cutest dimple.lol(Full discloure: I am old enough to be his mother!)He is absolutely charming.We talked about the change in his “look” over the seasons as I mentioned he is probably the most physically transformed.I couldn’t stand that page boy wig! He actually spoke quite a bit about Lancel’s mental transformation, his relationship to the other Lannisters, his new found faith and how he would like his father, Kevan, to accept the faith, as well, to feel the peace that comes with the belief.I found that last part interesting…

      Cool, cool, cool!

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    138. If S06E08 is Arya’s departure….. No One doesn’t make sense.
      S06E09 Battle Of The Bastards? – Wasn’t this touted as War Of Six Armies (a la LOTR -H)?
      The Winds Of Winter for S06E10….. Someone kick the chuff for me!

      S06E08 – Nothing specific to any person’s alter-ego.
      S06E09 – Nothing with ‘Battle’ (or synonym of) in title.
      S06E10 – Nothing referencing as yet unpublished book titles.

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    139. Out-to-lunch:
      If S06E08 is Arya’s departure….. No One doesn’t make sense.

      Yes, it makes sense – I suspect it is the point that Arya ceases to be No One, and becomes Arya Stark again.

      One of my big questions at the beginning of the season was whether Arya would leave the FM on hostile or friendly terms, or (less likely) leave Braavos as one of them. Things seem to be heading towards “hostile” and a Needle in the Waif’s belly. Assuming that is the case, I hope that the key to Arya defeating the Waif is warging. I doesn’t not seem like good story-telling for me for Arya to beat the Waif with a standard weapon, even the sword she has hidden under a (difficult to move while having your arse handed to you) pile of rocks. Warging, however, could be the kind of surprise ace up the sleeve that could explain an underdog win. Plus, all the downstream implications with respect to Nymeria and Arya’s return to Westeros would be interesting to me.

      As an added bonus, such a move could be a nice nod to the Gunslinger series, and Rowland’s defeat of his mentor, Cort. Kinda like last week’s Leaf-as-Vasquez allusion, which I also thought was cute.

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    140. Sou,

      I think “No One” could be legit, as it is already on Sky Germany’s list of episodes that will air (on their website). However, I honestly don’t know where SpoilerTV got the last two from, as the list does not go beyond that. The last two episodes have simply not been announced yet on that site. I certainly can’t find them.

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    141. Wimsey: The problem with this is one of storytelling.The Boltons really should be defeated by one of the main characters, and preferably ones with Stark ties.Stannis is not a protagonist in the books: he never is even a PoV character.One of the things that really came home to me watching the show is that it would just be a completely arbitrary turn of events for Sansa, Jon and Arya (and possibly Bran) if Stannis beats Ramsay.

      The other thing is (as always!) the story!This season is giving us a story about strange bedfellow alliances and the personal costs of arranging them.As all of the prior seasons have given us the same story as the corresponding book(s), I have to think that this is the Winter story, too.(It would be a very GRRM story.)

      I think that Stannis lost the battle in the books, too; Ramsey really wrote the Pink Letter and George simply has chapters in WoW that are out of chronological order with Jon’s last chapter in Dance.

      That will help George stall the story further, which I guess is what he wants to do now; I predict that WoW will end with Stannis being dead, but also with Danny still stuck on Essos, Bran still in the Cave ( or maybe his last chapter being “Hold the Door”) and Jon still stuck inside Ghost ( ’cause that’s obviously happening in the books, given all the setup George has given it.)

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    142. George,

      You know none of this is going to happen in the books, yes? If Stannis loses then Bolton wins. Cause unlike the dumb TV show, in the books the armies of whole North are with Stannis. So if they lose there will be no one to support Starks afterwards.

      What happen in the TV show is that whole Stannis plot was given to Jon. So if Jon wins “Battle of Bastards” we can also assume that Stannis wins Battle of Winterfell.

      Also GRRM said that Stannis will sit on Iron Throne, so unless he becomes Night King or something, I don’t see his words coming true if he would follow the TV show.

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    143. Irena,

      GRRM has never said that Stannis will sit on the Iron Throne. He’s said “there will be a few people sitting on the Iron Throne before the end.”

      Besides the Pink Letter makes it clear that Stannis is dead. The “Winterfell” timeline just hasn’t caught up to the “Castle Black” timeline yet.

      Honestly GRRM should’ve cut out the Pink Letter from ADWD and saved it for after Jon Snow’s resurrection, like the show did, once he decided to remove The Battle of Ice and hold it until TWOW. Especially if he was bound and determined to end ADWD with Jon’s stabbing.

      Just another example of the narrative getting away from GRRM.

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    144. Irena:
      George,

      You know none of this is going to happen in the books, yes? If Stannis loses then Bolton wins. Cause unlike the dumb TV show, in the books the armies of whole North are with Stannis. So if they lose there will be no one to support Starks afterwards.

      What happen in the TV show is that whole Stannis plot was given to Jon. So if Jon wins “Battle of Bastards” we can also assume that Stannis wins Battle of Winterfell.

      Also GRRM said that Stannis will sit on Iron Throne, so unless he becomes Night King or something, I don’t see his words coming true if he would follow the TV show.

      D&D have already outed the burning of Stannis’ daughter as Canon per George, and George didn’t contradict them. In what Universe does that happen in the books if Stannis wins? In a word, it doesn’t.

      At no point George has ever said that Stannis is going to sit in the Iron Throne. That assertion is simply incorrect.

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    145. I’d trust this but Home was labelled Homeward Bound for a good few days AFTER the release. On Sky I mean.

      Gutted there’s been no nordic fail this week 😛 I just want all 5 done so I can go back to not wishing my weeks away. Plus I’m pretty confident we’ll get WoW before Season 7 🙂 can already feel my hypeometer locking onto a new target YAY!

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    146. George: D&D have already outed the burning of Stannis’ daughter as Canon per George, and George didn’t contradict them. In what Universe does that happen in the books if Stannis wins? In a word, it doesn’t.

      Mel et al may soon “learn” that Stannis is dead. Perhaps they sacrifice Shireen to save Stannis/Azor-Ahai, but get Jon instead? This would be totally unrelated to whether Stannis was actually alive.

      Josh L: Honestly GRRM should’ve cut out the Pink Letter from ADWD and saved it for after Jon Snow’s resurrection, like the show did

      Dear God no. The PL on TV was a total dud that viewers soon forgot and contained nothing we didn’t already know. The book PL hit you like a freight train and was one of the highlights of the book. You’d be turning wine to water with that change.

      Josh L: Besides the Pink Letter makes it clear that Stannis is dead. The “Winterfell” timeline just hasn’t caught up to the “Castle Black” timeline yet.

      I disagree completely. It is not certain that Ramsay wrote it, and not certain that if he did, that it is true (it could be either lies on his part or deception on Stannis’s). It is certainly possible that he is dead, perhaps even probable. But it is far from “clear”.

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    147. Chad Brick,

      Nah the letter sent to Jon hasn’t been forgotten by viewers and is actually what pushes Jon (and the wildlings) to fight considering he was not going to – so it was very important to see (finding out about rickon and threatening and declaring war against the wildlings ) – key information

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    148. Dee:
      Chad Brick,

      Nah the letter sent to Jon hasn’t been forgotten by viewers and is actually what pushes Jon (and the wildlings) to fight considering he was going to – so it was very important to see

      It certainly served a purpose as a plot device, but it had no impact emotionally. The audience already knew everything in it.

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    149. Irena,

      You have called this a dumb tv show and horrible etc before – why do you watch it? I think your best solution is to stop and wait for the books, dear.

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    150. I don’t know what George will do in the books or when Stannis will die but the Starks being the ones to gather the north and take back Winterfell,no matter if they get help from the Vale or not,is way better than Stannis doing it.Why should he be the one to liberate their home?

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    151. Irena,

      George never said that Stannis will sit on the Iron Throne. Couple of people will until the end and the person sitting on the throne in the books will likely be the same on the show.

      It was possibly given to him but I actually agree with this. It’s very likely Stannis will die one way or the other and won’t play part in the endgame. Stannis is a secondary character in all honesty and with no emotional connection to Winterfell and Starks. He would use it to pursue his goal which is Iron Throne. Southerner liberating Winterfell and the North? Now in the show we have Jon and Sansa two Starks (one half Stark) fighting for their home which makes it more emotional for the characters and audience. Also for Jon using North against Walkers.

      Ginevra,

      It seems to me they’re slowly building to the reveal which will be in the finale. Robert Aramayo is supposed to be in this episode and finale. One small and big scene. Big scene screams to me TOJ reveal but then what could be the one before it? We saw him departing for the Vale. It might be Tourney of Harrenhal even though we got it mentioned already, but maybe it will be something with Ned and Robert reacting to news of Rickard’s death and Lyanna’s abduction.

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    152. RBloodworth:
      Sorry, but there is NO WAY that D&D are actually going to use “The Battle of the Bastards” as an episode title.That’s “Attack of the Clones”-level cheesy.I could see them using “No One” and even “The Winds of Winter”, but the middle one is completely fake.

      The Battle of the Bastards will be shown on Father’s Day 2016 –

      Jon Snow will probably find out who his Father is and who his Mother is on Father’s Day 2016

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    153. Dee:
      ITS EPISODE DAY
      YAAAY

      Yey! Several hours to go. Enjoy, everyone! Looking forward to seeing Arya, Bran, Dany, and still holding out hope for Jansa and Co. 🙂

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    154. We really need a German reader to translate the information. That would either
      a) reveal it to be fake because the info is obviously wrong
      or
      b) possible, which should tell us more about what is going on.

      Also note that some titles are useful but not in terms of dealing with what is actually going to happen. Nine seems wrong and ten is a bit strange…far too direct if it means the wall is breached

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    155. Why does episode 6 have ratings on IMDb?
      Yesterday there was none
      I know it’s just viewers who vote but I’m curious how come there’s some votes today!

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    156. Rabblais:
      We really need a German reader to translate the information. That would either
      a) reveal it to be fake because the info is obviously wrong
      or
      b) possible, which should tell us more about what is going on.

      The translation is genuine:

      https://translate.google.com/?source=gtx_c#auto/en/NiemandDie%20Schlacht%20der%20BastardeDie%20Winde%20des%20Winters

      Keep in mind that words in any language have multiple meanings and that Google doesn’t automatically pick the most likely one. Here, “Bastarde” is obviously “bastard,” and we’ve long known Episode 9 would include the Battle of the Bastards. So even though this German word can also mean “hybrid,” “bastards” is the correct interpretation. Since a Faceless Man is “No One,” that’s the most likely translation for the first title. Proving the interpretation is correct does not prove that Sky in Germany was correct to begin with, however.

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    157. Dee:
      Why does episode 6 have ratings on IMDb?
      Yesterday there was none
      I know it’s just viewers who vote but I’m curious how come there’s some votes today!

      Hmm, perhaps voting opened today since today is the air date? I haven’t paid attention before if folks always can vote early.

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    158. At 3am this morning, lying awake in bed, I had a thought…everyone keeps talking about young Ned’s appearance in tonight’s episode, and more ToJ scenes…but what if…

      Since tonight’s episode is Kings Landing-centric, what if young Ned shows up in the Throne Room after Jaime has killed the Mad King? From the trailer, it was analyzed that there might be a flashback sequence to the time when Jaime stabbed Aerys, and it would make sense to have a young Ned there since he found Jaime afterwards. I started thinking about this, because I don’t see what they could possibly do with a ToJ flashback tonight, if we’re getting the rest of it in the finale. Have Ned enter the room and see Lyanna, maybe? Then cut? I think Ned finding Jaime after he’s killed Aerys makes more sense, for this episode. After all, it’s titled “Blood of My Blood”…even though that’s a Dothraki saying, the Kingsguard are somewhat of the equivalent of Bloodriders, in a sense.

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    159. Lady_Vicious1984:
      At 3am this morning, lying awake in bed, I had a thought…everyone keeps talking about young Ned’s appearance in tonight’s episode, and more ToJ scenes…but what if…

      I’ve never thought about this! It would be amazing.

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    160. Ginevra: 20Schlacht

      That was not my point. There is information below the title. The usual too vague description. If the info says “Jon Snow and Ramsey Bolton and some friends meet”, well, it could be right. If it says that they’re going to run off and become mimes we can forget it.

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    161. Rhaenys Stark,

      Thanks! It just came to me when I couldn’t sleep…or maybe that’s the reason I couldn’t sleep? Chicken and the egg…:)

      Regardless, I just feel like this would fit more with this episode…I definitely could be wrong, but this would be neat to see.

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    162. Lady_Vicious1984,

      That would be good,

      imagine bran se en Jaime killing the mad king after the last treatens to burn the city yo the ground, bran realices that Jaime did a good thing actually, and then ned arrives and boom bran is dissapointed by his father once again

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    163. Lady_Vicious1984,

      Why would they waste a flashback on immediate aftermath of the Mad kings death?? Has zero correlation to the build up they have been making of revealing Jons parentage. Flashbacks have been used to only showcase things of heavy importance.

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    164. Wandering</stron
      Wandering,

      But – do we truly know what’s of heavy importance? Maybe there’s more to the Mad King’s death than we originally thought. I said I could be wrong, but to me, this would fall more in line with the synopsis of tonight’s episode than ToJ. Robert Aramayo said he’d be in episode 6 “briefly”. Like someone else said, maybe a vision of the Mad King’s death would further complicate Bran’s view of everything he thought he knew, when he realizes why Jaime did it. Just a thought…trust me, I’d love to see more ToJ instead. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the remainder of it is left entirely in episode 10, versus splitting it up further into three sections.

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    165. J,

      I like that idea, too. I’m just hoping that Bran didn’t somehow have something to do with the Mad King going “mad”…especially since it’s been established that madness is a genetic trait in the Targaryen line due to the in-breeding. I could be completely wrong about this of course.

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    166. Wandering,

      Because it would fit perfectly with the trailer scene of stabbing/killing someone from behind, would explain the, as we’ve been told, ‘brief’ appearance of Aramayo in episode 6 and would make sense being in a Kings Landing-centric episode. We may never see it, but it would definitely be a great scene.

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    167. jinx47:
      i believe only No One is accurate title. The other two are fake.

      The Battle of the Bastards makes sense to me because it will be shown on Father’s Day …
      Jon Snow could learn who his real Father is on Father’s Day 2016

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    168. Chad Brick: Yes, it makes sense – I suspect it is the point that Arya ceases to be No One, and becomes Arya Stark again.

      Maybe you missed use of double negative? Got it! No Stannis to comment on use of grammar!
      Arya must discover a reason for leaving. Did you notice how Waif reacted to Arya mentioning ‘Frey’ on her list? It’s worth going over the tale Waif told Arya too.

      BTW – I just think title is too obvious.

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    169. firstone: The Battle of the Bastards makes sense to me because it will be shown on Father’s Day …
      Jon Snow could learn who his real Father is on Father’s Day 2016

      Seems unlikely timing, since we have reason (based on Robert Aramayo spoiler) to believe that the Big Reveal at the ToJ is being saved for the season finale.

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    170. Rabblais: That was not my point. There is information below the title. The usual too vague description. If the info says “Jon Snow and Ramsey Bolton and some friends meet”, well, it could be right. If it says that they’re going to run off and become mimes we can forget it.

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    171. Rabblais: That was not my point. There is information below the title. The usual too vague description. If the info says “Jon Snow and Ramsey Bolton and some friends meet”, well, it could be right. If it says that they’re going to run off and become mimes we can forget it.

      Now you’ve got me wanting some character(s) to run off and become mimes. Maybe that will be Pyp, in the books.

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    172. Lady_Vicious1984:
      Wandering</stron
      Wandering,

      a vision of the Mad King’s death would further complicate Bran’s view of everything he thought he knew, when he realizes why Jaime did it.

      This knowledge could indeed make things more nuanced and interesting if the Starks should reclaim enough power to be in a position to pass judgment on Jaime. Perhaps Jon will want to execute him for shoving Bran out the window and Bran will say ‘Wait a minute, this guy saved a whole city, and losing my legs was part of my destiny.’

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    173. Ginevra: Did we have picture confirmation, or was that just a rumor?Someone upthread said that Shae was near a Season Six set, and I would put her chances of returning at 0%.But a picture of Bender outside the Tower of Joy would at least flip-flop my probabilities, for me personally.

      We definitely got picture confirmation of Shae on set, even rehearsing scripts.

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    174. Dee:
      Irena,

      You have called this a dumb tv show and horrible etc before – why do you watch it? I think your best solution is to stop and wait for the books, dear.

      Because the first 4 season were absolutely awesome. Best thing ever made for Television. And somehow, I keep hoping they return to that. Guess it’s a fool’s hope.

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    175. Irena,

      Then don’t watch it like she says,calling it a dumb show just because you don’t enjoy it seems insulting for us who still do,how hard is that to comprehend ?

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    176. Rabblais: That was not my point. There is information below the title. The usual too vague description. If the info says “Jon Snow and Ramsey Bolton and some friends meet”, well, it could be right. If it says that they’re going to run off and become mimes we can forget it.

      Neither the Sky nor Spoiler TV links above give more than the titles, as far as I can see. No episode descriptions accompany these titles. Are you seeing something more?

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    177. IMO “The Snows of Winterfell” would be the best title for Ep9.

      The snows refer to the Bastards and to winter… The snows of winter fell… No ?

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    178. Pizdainpula:
      Irena,

      Then don’t watch it like she says,calling it a dumb show just because you don’t enjoy it seems insulting for us who still do,how hard is that to comprehend ?

      How is it insulting to people who still like it if someone says that they’ve been disappointed with Seasons 5 and 6 so far? She’s entitled to have her own tastes and opinions. No skin off your nose. WotW is not a fraternity or sorority where you can just kick people out if they disagree.

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    179. Lord Bastien:
      IMO “The Snows of Winterfell” would be the best title for Ep9.

      The snows refer to the Bastards and to winter… The snows of winter fell… No ?

      I like that one!

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    180. Wimsey,

      Exactly. It is amazing how hyped up one can be for alleged episode titles that reveal nothing we do not know about the storylines in the episodes given the filming spoilers we have. The door had people guessing Dany’s red door rtc. But no one guessed the back door to the cave or at least I don’t recall anyone doing so

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    181. Dee,

      Don’t bother with trolls. People are free to have their opinions, but simply from the language you can see she is a troll..

      Pizdainpula,

      I might be wrong but…. Esti Roman, nu? 🙂

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    182. I had two ideas for E09 that I hadn’t seen posted:

      1. Whose Name is Stark. A nice callback to Lysa Mormont’s letter to Stannis that ties into “the North remembers” theme.

      2. The Hour of the Wolf. Fairly self-explanatory.

      For E10, I voted for The Long Night but, after Jon and Edd’s conversation when Jon is preparing to leave Castle Back, I would go with “And All the Nights to Come.”

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    183. Firannion,

      It’s kind of hypocritical to watch something you don’t enjoy

      I have left theatres because I didn’t enjoy a movie, or I’ve stopped watching a show because I don’t enjoy it

      It kinda sounds weird when you call something a dumb tv show but watch it?
      The bachelorette is a dumb tv show to me but I don’t watch it and go on the fan websites and cry about

      I’m all for people having different opinions, but that’s just silly

      All I suggested was she stop watching instead of being annoyed and saying things like dumb tv show which she puts time and effort into watching and just wait for the books so she can see how it ends

      Just being a Good Samaritan lol

      I just don’t get it
      Maybe I’m slow

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    184. Lady_Vicious1984:
      At 3am this morning, lying awake in bed, I had a thought…everyone keeps talking about young Ned’s appearance in tonight’s episode, and more ToJ scenes…but what if…

      I had speculated on that in the forums yesterday – definitely agree it’s a possibility, it makes sense! ?

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    185. Ginevra,

      One of the sites I saw had the whole thing in German. They had the titles and then the descriptors. You know those vague things: Jaime and Cersei arrange a party, Arya watches a play, etc.

      Except that my German has deteriorated enough that I got nothing from looking at the lines. It would be nice to know what was written.

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    186. Apollo,

      That Was Season 2 Episode 1 Title
      I want them to go with something like “Winterfell” Or “The Bastards” Or “The Flayed Men/Man” Or “The Snows” Or “Snow”

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    187. Ep 9 title ideas:

      “The North is Mine”

      “Warden of the North”

      “Come and See”

      “Ghost”

      “Flaying the Wolf”

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    188. Hodors Bastard,

      Why shouldn’t he? The books are better than the series, and book readers will still read them no matter when they come out. Personally, I would prefer he did it in his own time and produced quality work, rather than rush it simply to pander to impatient fanatics. I also followed Stephen King’s Dark Tower series and was completely disappointed with the conclusion and the last book as a whole. It had a “just get it done” feel to it, with none of the depth of the earlier books. Actually the last two were a bit like that.

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    189. Geralt of Rivia,

      Actually, Sansa is as much a Stark as Jon. Caitlyn was really a Tully, but a Stark by marriage. So they are both genetically half Stark. The Targaryens married relatives to avoid this dilution of their bloodline.

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