Game of Thrones makes its 2016 Emmy submissions, reveals final synopses

Emmys

Last year the Emmys were incredible for Game of Thrones, with the show picking up a record 12 wins. It’ll be difficult to top that but GoT is giving it another go, as the submissions process for the 68th Emmy Awards begins. Now is the time when ballots go out and members of the Television Academy vote to decide who will be nominated, with final nominations being announced July 14th. The Emmy Awards ceremony will be September 18th this year, airing live on ABC.

The 2016 Emmy ballots have been posted online, giving us a look at which episodes and performers from Game of Thrones have been submitted for consideration for awards. They’ve also provided other interesting tidbits, such as brief synopses for episodes 9 and 10 of this season.

“Battle of the Bastards,” next week’s epic ninth episode, is given this synopsis: “Terms of surrender are rejected and accepted.”

Submissions for “The Winds of Winter,” the last episode of season 6, reveal a description of “Season Finale. Cersei faces her trial.”

Diving into the submissions, we find that the usual suspects are submitted for the performer awards. Carice van Houten had an exciting first few episodes of this season, so it’s not so surprising she’d get a push this year. The others have all been submitted for years now.

Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Drama Series
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
Peter Dinklage
Kit Harington

Outstanding Supporting Actress In A Drama Series

Emilia Clarke
Lena Headey
Sophie Turner
Carice van Houten
Maisie Williams

Max von Sydow is being submitted as a guest star, as we would expect. Diana Rigg is not, which is a little surprising. I’d thought that Ian McShane would give it a go as well, but looking at the ballot, he’s submitted as a contender in two other performing categories already.

Outstanding Guest Actor In A Drama Series

Max von Sydow as The Three-Eyed Raven, in The Door
The ballot description of the role: The Three-Eyed Raven tries to train Bran methodically, but Bran’s impatient. When Bran enters a vision unguided, he allows the Night King to negate the Raven’s protection. Desperate, with time running out, the Raven overloads Bran with omniscience. Trapped, the Raven falls to his ancient nemesis – but saves his pupil

 

The rest of the submissions are a mix of episodes, as we’d expect, with a heavy emphasis on episode 9, “Battle of the Bastards.” Benioff and Weiss’ sole writing submission is for that episode. I think we can really look forward to something extraordinary next week.

Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series

Battle Of The Bastards (S6, E9)

Synopsis from the ballot: Terms of surrender are rejected and accepted.

Episode 9 is written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.

 

GoT has five submissions in the category for directors- every director from this season is being submitted.

Outstanding Directing For A Drama Series

Battle Of The Bastards
Director: Miguel Sapochnik

Book Of The Stranger (S6, E4)
Director: Dan Sackheim

Home (S6, E2)
Director: Jeremy Podeswa

No One  (S6, E8)
Director: Mark Mylod

The Door (S6, E5)
Director: Jack Bender

 

Outstanding Production Design For A Narrative Contemporary Or Fantasy Program
(One Hour Or More)

Blood Of My Blood (S6, E6)

The Broken Man (S6, E7)

No One (S6, E8)

 

Outstanding Cinematography For A Single-Camera Series

Home (S6, E2). Greg Middleton, CSC, Director of Photography

Oathbreaker (S6, E3). Anette Haellmigk, Director of Photography

The Door. (S6, E5).  Jonathan Freeman, ASC, Director of Photography

The Winds of Winter (S6, E10). Fabian Wagner, BSC, Director of Photography
Episode description given- “Season Finale. Cersei faces her trial.”

 

Outstanding Special Visual Effects

Battle of the Bastards (S6, E9)

 

Outstanding Costumes For A Period/Fantasy Series, Limited Series Or Movie

Submitting episode: The Winds Of Winter. S6E10

 

Outstanding Makeup For A Single-Camera Series (Non-Prosthetic)

Battle Of The Bastards  (S6, E9)

Technical Description:
Sides of beard laid on with yak hair to blend in with the actor’s own goatee. Scars made from colodion and art worked with inks. Various hair lace beards. Various fight injuries using blood effects. Freehand molding materials for cuts and swellings, art work with gels, grease paint and inks. Mud effects made with aqua colour rubber dust and clay powder. Mouth blood and lumps made with colored flavored gelatin. Bald caps under doubles’ wigs.
Jane Walker, Department Head Makeup Artist
Kate Thompson, Makeup Artist
Nicola Mathews, Makeup Artist
Kay Bilk, Makeup Artist
Marianna Kyriacou, Makeup Artist
Pamela Smyth, Makeup Artist

 

Outstanding Prosthetic Makeup For A Series, Limited Series, Movie Or Special

The Door (S6, E5)

Technical Description: 6x Hero Children of the Forest Full body / Facial makeups consisting of 21 silicone appliances per character. With punched hairline and knotted lace piece. 3x White walkers and new night King silicone makeup each consisting of 9 appliances. 2x Hero wights in green suits with facial silicone makeups and torso skeletal appliances for vfx negative space; approx. 20x wights silicone facial and hand make-ups of various stages of decomposition. Jorah grey-scale probondo arm appliances.
Jane Walker, Department Head Makeup Artist
Barrie Gower, Prosthetic Designer
Sarah Gower, Special Makeup Effects Assistant Department Head
Emma Sheffield, Key Special Makeup Effects Artist
Tristan Versluis, Key Special Makeup Effects Artist

 

Outstanding Hairstyling For A Single-Camera Series

The Door  (S5, E5)
Technical Description: My team does an amazing amount of work with all wigs, colours, cuts and continuity of different looks in 3 different countries consecutively. This year I created a new character, Child of the Forest, working with prosthetics designer Barrie. I designed the wigs taking inspiration from tree roots and foliage of the forest ground. There was also a separate front piece that was stuck on and twisted with gel mud to make a
seamless front.
Kevin Alexander, Department Head Hairstylist
Candice Banks, Key Hairstylist
Nicola Mount, Hairstylist
Laura Pollock, Hairstylist
Gary Machin, Hairstylist
Rosalia Culora, Hairstylist

 

Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series

GoT is submitting 3 episodes in this category:
Battle Of The Bastards
Tim Porter, Editor

Home
Crispin Green, Editor

Oathbreaker
Katie Weiland, Editor

 

Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Comedy Or Drama Series (One Hour)

Battle of the Bastards (S6, E9)

 

Outstanding Sound Editing For A Series

The Door (S6, E5)

 

Outstanding Casting For A Drama Series

Outstanding Stunt Coordination For A Drama Series, Limited Series Or Movie

Outstanding Interactive Program- Game Of Thrones Main Titles 360 Experience

And of course-

Outstanding Drama Series

We won’t know which submissions win actual nominations until July 14th,  so we’ll keep you posted when it comes time for that!

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    1. Surprised they didn’t submit The Winds of Winter for more. Interesting they selected that episode for costumes.

      And Benioff and Weiss submitted the big battle episode for writing?

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    2. Diana Rigg most likely isn’t being submitted in the Guest Actress category because the Emmy’s new eligibility rules for that category now stipulate that Guest Actors must appear in less than 50% of the show’s episodes for a given season. Rigg has already appeared in four episodes of Season 6. If she appears in either of the final two episodes, she’s at the 50% mark, and thus ineligible. I think we have to assume that’s the case, because I can’t imagine why she wouldn’t be submitted otherwise. She’s been nominated three years in a row, and she has good material (Episode 7 would have been a nice submission tape for her). She’d be a lock for a nomination if she were on the ballot.

      If we assume that Dame Diana does indeed appear in the finale, I think it lends strong credence to the idea that Olenna will travel to Dorne and meet with Ellaria and Varys.

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    3. The Door definitely deserves costuming after seeing what it takes to make the Children and White Walkers. What definitely does not deserve an emmy is this year’s House of Cards. It looks like they submitted every single episode. Lena Headey should have gotten outstanding supporting actress last year (although I watch almost no television so I guess I can’t really say what she’s up against). I’m rooting for her again. Making me sympathize with Cersei is amazing. There is no character I hated more after reading the books, not even Walder Frey or Ramsay, but I guess the evil is amplified when you can actually get inside her head.

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    4. Jared,

      Yeah I think that’s likely it. She headed out of town…but we’ll see her again somewhere.

      Jack Bauer 24,

      No, like I said, they’ve all been submitted for years. They just never get nominated except for Lena, Peter and Emilia.

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    5. Grayven Reyne:
      No Alfie.The man deserves to sleep on a bed of Emmys.

      He’s been killing it for a few years now, but he was barely in this season. Hopefully his role expands next year when he’s with Daenerys and maybe he’ll get some recognition. You’d think the resolution of he and Yara’s showdown with Euron over who gets to court the dragon queen should be a big deal next season.

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    6. Jack Bauer 24,

      No, he’s been submitted for years, as was the rest of the A-tier cast. The thing is that these types of awards shows don’t usually nominate action roles and usually just nominate the same actors regardless of storyline.

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    7. While it may change with the last 2 episodes, I really don’t think Peter deserves a nomination this year (and Im a huge fan of his). Not that there is anything wrong with his performance but his material has been pretty weak. Hoping Nikolaj gets the nod this year – his performances have been so good and fun to watch.

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    8. Don’t get me wrong, I love Tyrion, and I love Peter Dinklage. But it seems like he’s a shoe in every year. I do not believe his role this year has been that great of an acting job, not that they have asked much from him.

      Glad to see Jaime and Jon get some love, but out of the actress lists, I think Olenna blows them all away. Margaery should also be on here before 4 of the 5 actresses.

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    9. Can’t believe Alfie is getting overlooked yet again. His acting skills are way beyond the rest of the cast by a mile.

      And am I the only one who’s less than impressed by the new costumes this season? I know there was a handover in the wardrobe dept but nothing has stood out at all… Unlike previous seasons.

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    10. Very happy to finally see Carice submitted. I wish we’d see Alfie too. I wonder why he doesn’t submit himself if HBO doesn’t do it. I was hoping we’d see Liam too. I wonder if Jonathan Pryce was eligible this year.

      lol @ Tyrion and Dany getting submitted (expected, but still…those storylines….that material…)

      Surprised Diana Rigg isn’t on the ballot. She’s usually a shoe in for the nomination.

      They should have submitted Lyanna Mormont’s actress too 😛

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    11. Jack Bauer 24,

      That was my first thought as well. In Season 4, they really pushed the final episode for an Emmy. But the Season 6 finale is barely mentioned. Puzzling.

      The Joffrey of Podcasts is going to the Emmy FYC Game of Thrones event on Sunday at the Ace Hotel Los Angeles. If I get to ask a question, I’ll report back.

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    12. Apollo,

      I’m not impressed by the costumes either, but due to the nature of the storylines this season I expected it. The characters that usually get all the fancy dresses didn’t have them this year. Sansa ran away and is going to war, so she understandably has one dress. Margaery was imprisoned and had to wear a rag for half a season. Dany went from wearing a distressed dress, to wearing a potato sack, to wearing Dothraki clothes that aren’t very colorful or intricate. The fashion in The Reach was new, but we didn’t get to see much of Sam’s family. I liked the Braavosi fashion a bit (not the hair though).

      I doubt the Frey hats are the visual delight of the season 😛

      I think they nominated episode 10 for costumes, so I now fully expect to see Dorne because while that storyline doesn’t deliver a plot, it at least delivers visuals lol.

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    13. If they nominate peter this year I’m going to riot lol.Nothing against him but he already has two and his material this year is really not emmy worthy.Nominate kit or nikolaj they have been great this season.

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    14. Flayed Potatoes:
      lol @ Tyrion and Dany getting submitted (expected, but still…those storylines….that material…)

      I would argue that Dany’s storyline has been fairly strong this season when compared to other characters. I do agree about Tyrion however

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    15. Jay Targ,

      She didn’t have that many scenes or challenging material to work with imo. I guess they’re banking on dragon actions and speeches.

      Ross Doherty,

      He has chances to get nominated on name recognition alone.

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    16. Episode 9 – The Battle of the Bastards – Jon faces a challenge. Ramsey gathers 10 good men. Wun Wun wun wuns.

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    17. Of all the actors on the show, Liam Cunningham deserves to be nominated more than anyone else. Can’t believe he’s not even submitted.

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    18. Flayed Potatoes,

      I would say her moments in episode 4 and episode 6 were fairly challenging and she delivered in both of them. Also her small scene with Jorah. Though it does feel like she’s had little screen time this season; hopefully that changes next season for my sake lol

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    19. Anon,

      I concur. Really enjoyed the episode, I particularly loved when Cersei walked across from Tommen, in that moment realising that her son really is a lost cause. Lena was terrific and she deserves an Emmy over any actress on the show. Also love that Sophie and Maisie get submitted, both of whom have both been terrific this season also. Would be nice to see them get a nomination, sadly their ages will go against them.

      Ep 9 deserves every award going just from the trailer. It looks glorious. Should also quieten the contingent of viewers that complained about a lack of action in Ep 8. The ignorance is beyond.

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    20. Honestly think that the next episode will be the best Game of Thrones episode to date and possibly go down in television history…..

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    21. Wow, no Liam Cunningham?

      This guy has had the most solid performances in every scene of all the current actors.

      He has taking the place of Charles Dance and Stephen Dillane as the guy on the set who has crafted his acting into a fine art, he has been amazing…

      Sad he was overlooked, oh well…

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    22. I rewatched the original trailer with the Wicked Game cover, paused at the Dothraki charge scene. The sand appears very soft and brittle where they are. I think they’re charging on the beach, probably when the Volantene navy lands. They’ll end up trapped between the Greyjoy fleet behind them and the Dothraki in front of them. Daenerys closes her stays in Essos with an epic slaughter. Maybe gains some extra ships in the process.

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    23. so they picked battle of the bastards for writing this year, interesting choice.
      looking forward to episode 9 this Sunday.

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    24. Actors deserving AT LEAST a nomination this year:
      Alfie Allen
      Liam Cunningham
      Diana Rigg
      Jonathan Pryce
      Natalie Dormer
      Ian McShane
      Owen Teale? (he was superb in his death scene)

      The amount of acting talent in this show is insane. Hopefully they’ll all get the SAG this year.

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    25. Arthur,

      A-bloody-men! While I liked Book!Davos, Liam just nailed the role in much the same fashion as Charles Dance did his. It is irksome that he isn’t even being submitted. Of those submitted, I hope Kit and Nicolaj get nominated, not only because they’ve been great, but also for a change of pace.

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    26. So, apparently my early season 6 predictions that they nominate Kit for leading actor did not become true. It makes perfect sense given that he did not appear quite as much in the last several episodes and not at all in two of them IIRC.
      I generally follow the sentiment here that Alfie really deserves an Emmy already for quite a while but given that this is mostly a popularity contest maybe his chances were too slim. He is nevertheless one of the best actors at least on this show if not all of them!
      I am wondering a little about the supporting actress category – while I also strongly think that Lena deserves an Emmy (and should have gotten one last year at least!), I think so far this season’s material she has to work with might be too weak to convince everybody (but who knows what the mad queen will do in ep9/10?). Emilia had a few strong scenes (and improved acting) so she might get a nod this year. Out of the GoT actresses I would give the Emmy to Maisie who has been one of the best actresses on the show in my mind (whether you like the plot of ep8 or not). Also Nathalie Dormer was very strong.
      For the supporting actresses I thought Natalia Taena might have a good case. And for the men Owen ??? (forgot his name – Ser Allister Thorne).
      BTW what about best musical score – is that not a category or did they not submit Ramin Djawadi?

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    27. Various hair lace beards.

      I think that’s proof we’ll have the dothrakis next episode. I really wish it was more north-centric.

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    28. Grayven Reyne:
      No Alfie.The man deserves to sleep on a bed of Emmys.

      Definitely. Alfie should have gotten Peter’s slot, who has been wasted on poorly written dialogue this season.

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    29. Firannion,

      It’s not really a matter of “slots.” Five of the ladies were submitted while just three men were. Just submit his as well. I like Alfie and think he does well but he’s been pretty limited this season as well. Outstanding supporting actor nominees are usually pretty big character roles and Alfie doesn’t have a lot of material.

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    30. I see no Alfie Allen on the list. This is unacceptable. I like the other guys and all but c’mon. Liam Cunningham would have been a good choice as well.

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    31. Every year people complain the same thing ….I don’t know when will people learn but an actor must submit himself ..if he didn’t then he won’t get a chance.

      I agree Alfie is a great actor but if he is not submitting his name he won’t get Any nomination …
      Same goes for Stephan dillane..

      And pls don’t say Lena headey and kit and Maisie or Sophie are less popular than Emilia or peter if these two get nominated by them self ..
      I mean peter may get nominated again just for the scene with dragons alone…

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Of course you are complaining about her..
      Scenes in episode 4,5,6 were all great and she delivered it..
      You may not like the speeches and overlook it but its no way any simple thing to do …
      Just listen to what jack bender says about her performance during the speech ..

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    32. Clob:
      Firannion,

      Outstanding supporting actor nominees are usually pretty big character roles and Alfie doesn’t have a lot of material.

      Can Alfie just get nominated for his Reek-Theon eyes shifting moment alone? Haha, A girl can dream though. After all Emmy is just all about popularity contest -.-

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    33. So Jon Snow rejects terms and then the Boltons or other northern houses accept later in the episode after Jon kicks some ass!

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    34. dragonbringer,

      I see your point, that remind me, in one of his interview, when asked about Emmy, Alfie said that Emmy involves a lot of politic and he really not into that kind of stuff, and he also said that his life motto is “never take yourself too seriously”

      I can see on how he didn’t submit himself for Emmy

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    35. Grayven Reyne,

      Right?! Watching him transition from Reek back to Theon has easily been the most amazing performance this season. I mean, the scene where he simply made eye contact with Yara gave me freaking goosebumps.

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    36. Just so y’all understand the process, the actors/actresses submit themselves (or not). I agree that Alfie should sleep on a bed of awards, too. But if he’s not submitted, it means he chose not to be.

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    37. Grayven Reyne: No Alfie. The man deserves to sleep on a bed of Emmys.

      You are right – I wasn’t a big fan of Theon/Reek character but Alfie won me over – the kid can show more pathos and pain in one small glance than many actors can using a page of dialogue. That sucks. Oh well, he has his fans to tell him what a great job he’s done. I hope that’s some solace. Great Job Alfie!!

      In the meantime, ecstatic to see Kit on the list. He, too, is quite quite deserving of a nomination. About time.

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    38. Cersei’s Wine Goblet:
      Just so y’all understand the process, the actors/actresses submit themselves (or not).I agree that Alfie should sleep on a bed of awards, too.But if he’s not submitted, it means he chose not to be.

      That’s not exactly how it works. The producers get the first shot at submitting names of actors who they think are deserving of nominations. Then, any actors who feel that they were unfairly overlooked have the option of submitting their own names. Natalie Dormer did that for herself during her first GoT season. But actors who submit their own names are seen as long shots, because they don’t have the weight and PR budgets of the studios/production companies behind them.

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    39. I really wish Gwendoline and Liam had been nominated. I agree with people that Peter seems a given no matter how/how much he does in the season. I agree Alfie should have been nominated. I also think that Conleth Hill tends to get overlooked.

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    40. Not a single one of the three men submitted for supporting actor deserve a nomination (thus far at least). There’s others on this show who have been and are better than them this season. Alfie Allen and Liam Cunningham, for example. And quite frankly, although it’s been only two episodes, Rory McCann too. And Max von Sydow will likely be nominated based on name alone. But I didn’t think he was particularly standout one way or another. Wasn’t bad, wasn’t great.

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    41. Firannion,

      Yeah it’s like that. HBO/GoT is doing most of the deciding. Previously we’ve seen people like Dormer and Sibel Kekilli throw their hats in the ring without HBO submitting them but that doesn’t go far.

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    42. AliKat,

      A lot of this submission stuff is political. They want to keep Dinklage happy so he gets submitted. He may not be having a great season, but he’s the face of the series, so it’s not surprising. I doubt he’ll be nominated this year, regardless.

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    43. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t submit Pryce among the men (though they never submitted Dance either, mysteriously).

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    44. Ravyn:
      ash,

      Same reason Maisie’s never been nominated: He’s not really a name in a cast of dozens of actors who are not names.

      Nearly none of them were names before this show afaik. I think it’s a crying shame that Alfie isn’t submitted this year either, but I’m quite sure that out of all the “no namers” he is the one we will get to see rise to actual A-level outside of GoT after GoT is over.

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    45. Those are some vague descriptions for the last two episodes. The Winds of Winter will have a ton of surprises in store….

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    46. I hope Maisie or Sophie get nominated this time. They have been outstanding so far.

      It’s great to see Carice being submitted for nomination, which shows that they are looking past the A-list actors. So yeah, Alfie and Liam Cunningham should have been submitted too.

      What is most interesting is that the writers have submitted “Battle of the bastards” for writing noms, which is pretty unusual considering a big chunk of the episode will be fighting. So maybe there are some surprises in store here!

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    47. ghost of winterfell: What is most interesting is that the writers have submitted “Battle of the bastards” for writing noms,

      Hopefully that doesn’t mean they’re not as confident about the season finale. Ep 9 is obviously the season show piece, so maybe they’re just hoping to get in based on that.

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    48. As if the hype for “Battle of the Bastards” isn’t massive enough! Looks like D&D are betting on that episode. Oh, Sunday, why can’t you come sooner?

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    49. Sam: I know! But, he had limited screen time this season. Not sure if his name was submitted for seasons 4 & 5.

      He wasn’t. If i remember correctly, HBO submit his name for season 2 but not after that. which is shame. I think he has enough screen time in season 5 & 6 to be nominated.

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    50. Lut: He wasn’t. If i remember correctly, HBO submit his name for season 2 but not after that. which is shame. I think he has enough screen time in season 5 & 6 to be nominated.

      (in Septa Unella’s voice) Shame! Shame! Shame!

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    51. “Terms of surrender are rejected and accepted.”

      It looks like episode 9 will feature 2 battles – North and Meereen (based on the description for Outstanding Makeup submission) – and will have another parallel stories between Jon and Dany. I wonder if the episode description means terms of surrender are rejected in one battle (North?) and accepted in another (Meereen?).

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    52. Lena Headey has done well, the setup for KL has been good and you do get a sense she’s been slowly cornered

      Cersei herself deserves an Emmy for being able to keep a straight face while copping that crippling serve from Queen of Thorns

      Marge as well for her act, one could tell it was an act by the way she already knew the text etc

      People seem to find the Prayer room scenes boring but Pryce has been nothing short of stellar, he told the story of finery convincingly etc but more than that you actually have to look at the subtle body language, eg Tommen enters intent on some kind of aggressive stance but he manages to slowly diffuse the situation and then get a grip on Tommen

      I’m surprised some book fans dislike it so much, like Varys and to a degree Littlefinger he’s a master class on manipulation, only slowly do you learn he’s power hungry and he obviously only allows visits and knows Margaery is faking (hence Septa Unella a constant presence) but he’s humiliated both his rivals publicly (Lannisters and Tyrells), got his two biggest threats (Jaimie and Olenna) out of the city and got his soldiers into the Red Keep, slowly tightening the noose. If not for Qyburn and his creation he’d have Cersei in the Sept Dungeon at this stage

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    53. As for the synopsis, reckon Cersei blows the Sept in E10 as there’s simply no other foreseeable option

      Am curious about E9, I trust Sapochnik but I’m not convinced about the build-up throughout the season and the lead-up to the point where it undermines character development of Jon and maybe Sansa

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    54. Terms of surrender have been accepted –
      Jon accepts the surrender of Ramsey

      Terms of surrender have been rejected –
      Dany rejects the surrender of slavers ..

      I can already see the arguments next week ..

      How noble and nice of jon .

      How it Confirms that dany is mad and villain..

      Expect of course forgetting the context and that times dany and tyrion tried to peace with them..
      Iam going to save this comment and look forward to how close to right am going to be

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    55. What about Alfie… And Natalie Dormer… They did some excellent acting this season.. Every episode of Alfie moved me…

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    56. dragonbringer:
      Terms of surrender have been accepted –
      Jon accepts the surrender of Ramsey

      Terms of surrender have been rejected –
      Dany rejects the surrender of slavers ..

      I can already see the arguments next week ..

      How noble and nice of jon .

      How it Confirms that dany is mad and villain..

      Expect of course forgetting the context and that timesdany and tyrion tried to peace with them..
      Iam going to save this comment and look forward to how close to right am going to be

      Yep, this is for sure how some people will spin it. Even though we already saw the slavers reject both Dany’s and Tyrion’s deals of peace. It is clear that the slavers can’t fulfill their part of the compromise but of course people will spin it the way you described unfortunately.

      I guess we shall wait and see what the actual response is, but I very much see it playing out the way you stated.

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    57. dragonbringer,

      It could just as easily be the opposite, but you are likely correct. I’ll wait and see before judging Dany, and more importantly Emilia’s portrayal. If she burns hundreds of people with the same smug look on her face, and seems to enjoy it, then yes, people will say that she is bordering on the crazy side. It would be one thing to show rage. That is understandable. But the lustful smirk she gets while burning and murdering people just doesn’t sit right with me. But I acknowledge that this could very well be just Emilia’s portrayal and not how the character is meant to be viewed.

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    58. Roocat:
      While it may change with the last 2 episodes, I really don’t think Peter deserves a nomination this year (and Im a huge fan of his).Not that there is anything wrong with his performance but his material has been pretty weak.Hoping Nikolaj gets the nod this year – his performances have been so good and fun to watch.

      I largely agree. But when they didn’t nominate Nikolaj after his amazing season 3 (especially with his performance in Kissed By Fire), I gave up all hope that they’d ever look past Peter. He really deserved it that year – he deserved to win, quite honestly.

      It’s not really been a season for the actors, though (at least so far) but rather one for the actresses. Considering how Cersei’s story this season may play out in the finale, perhaps Lena gets another nomination.

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    59. With the Meereen battle in episode 9 too, I’m even more surprised at the title. It would have been the perfect time to use ‘Ice and Fire’, but perhaps they are saving that for later.

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    60. Flayed Potatoes,
      Why do they usually just nominate the same actors regardless of storyline?
      They are just playing personal favorites then? That’s BS. I would laugh my ass off if Peter gets it this year, but no I want Kit to win cause I think he really deserves it. Though Nickolei was really good in “No one” I think it took more skill to pull off what Kit did in episode 3. Hasn’t had much to work with after that but I’m confident he’ll pull it off in 9 and 10 as well.

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    61. Mazzie,

      I honestly think Sophie will be nominated. Her star seems to be rising, and that usually has an impact on awards recognition.

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    62. Jay Targ,

      I’m sorry but she didn’t sell me on that scene with Jorah. The first viewing I was a bit impressed simply because she was showing some open vulnerability and it was refreshing, but second time around viewing more objectively it was kind of cringey, didn’t buy her expressions tbh.

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    63. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      I think opposite its how she is written to be And how they want people to see and not Emilia…

      I have two examples
      1) last year promo video about shooting in Spain and quary and at titanic studios…
      2)and again in the making video of episode 4 where dany burns khals ..

      You can see how Emilia asks rye director how to do this and that ..so its very clear how the writers and directors want those scenes to be

      And add that with jack bender saying how D&D wanted that scene …

      One thing I got out of Jack bender interview on how benioff and Weiss wanted those scenes to be is that they just want people to keep having this debate so they are deliberately trying to make gee controversial and keep debating this for just the sake of it..

      Jay Targ,

      Missandei said it best ” they are coming for their properties”..they just don’t view them as people but properties and no matter how many time dany wants to conpromise they will come back again and again unless they have put to ground

      Lets see how many will actually get that and not make those ridiculous comparison with Jon and his decision

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    64. Mazzie: I largely agree. But
      It’s not really been a season for the actors, though (at least so far) but rather one for the actresses. Considering how Cersei’s story this season may play out in the finale, perhaps Lena gets another nomination.

      How about Kit?!!? 🙂 As much as people are hating how the show is treating Jon’s story line after his resurrection, I thought Kit has been doing a great job showing what a ‘normal’ person will act/feel like if betrayed and murdered and came back to life (and seeing ‘nothing’ beyond death!). On top of that, he immediately found himself thrust into another fight when he was so obviously tired of fighting. His story this year has been one of internal struggle and you could clearly see it on his face and hear it in his voice. I’ve never seen Kit show as much range and depth as this season. It’s just too bad most are focused on how they’re not liking this version of Jon (meek, passive, unsure/insecure) and how “he’s letting Sansa boss him around”. I guess people expected him to be god-like/AA-like after his resurrection, all gung-ho and brave and valiant. Anyway, if Kit finally gets a nomination this season, he deserves it.

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    65. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      With the Meereen battle in episode 9 too, I’m even more surprised at the title. It would have been the perfect time to use ‘Ice and Fire’, but perhaps they are saving that for later.

      They’re probably saving that for season 8, episode 8 (the series ender). 🙂

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    66. Ygritte,

      because she is done with compromising with slavers ..she has given and kept giving everything she can for the peace in meereen and masters just wanted more everytime and planned an attack with ghiscaris and volantis and brought sellswords..

      dany wants slavery ended and slavers and freed men live together.

      Slavers want none of that and view the people as properties and want dany dead or make her whore in volantis. .

      So when dany defeats them with dragons and dothraki they will again ask for forgiveness only to start planning how to attack meereen again so she will reject that surrender and kill every one of them.
      And frankly if there needs to be no slavery I don’t see a way other than all the master class defeated and done that’s how a new civilization is going to be rising out of slavers bay

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    67. Sam,

      Ofcourse they are not going to burn all their ships..

      Remember this is dany we are talking about and when she sees the ships she will only think about getting them to help her and she will not burn them but try come up with an idea how to get them with less damage and loss..

      Am thinking that battle will eventually be taken to the land and the slaves who work in the ships riot against the slavers and hand the ships to dany and there is yara coming as well to help dany get those ships.

      The same can’t be said to great pyramid and slavers bay

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    68. Sam: How about Kit?!!? ? As much as people are hating how the show is treating Jon’s story line after his resurrection, I thought Kit has been doing a great job showing what a ‘normal’ person will act/feel like if betrayed and murdered and came back to life (and seeing ‘nothing’ beyond death!). On top of that, he immediately found himself thrust into another fight when he was so obviously tired of fighting. His story this year has been one of internal struggle and you could clearly see it on his face and hear it in his voice. I’ve never seen Kit show as much range and depth as this season. It’s just too bad most are focused on how they’re not liking this version of Jon (meek, passive, unsure/insecure) and how “he’s letting Sansa boss him around”. I guess people expected him to be god-like/AA-like after his resurrection, all gung-ho and brave and valiant. Anyway, if Kit finally gets a nomination this season, he deserves it.

      I don’t mind that Jon is more passive and quiet, that’s not it. I agree that Kit has come a long way, but I’m not seeing him on par with other actors from other shows who usually get nominated for their work – as in, he’s better than he was in previous seasons, but except for a couple of scenes he hasn’t impressed me when compared to other great actors. I’m not thinking of Emmy nominations as rewards for ‘most improved acting’. But then the Emmys just like any award show honouring the arts aren’t a true representation of the arts anyway. That’s a whole other topic though.

      I’m not blown away by most of the principal cast at the moment, but that’s not their fault, it’s often the dialogue and material they’re working with.

      Sophie did impress me a lot in the scene Sansa confronts Baelish. She and Lena have stood out to me the most this year. I’m not a fan of Emilia’s acting, and I don’t think Maisie has had the opportunity to show her range, it’s been pretty one-note. That’s what I’m mainly looking for tbh – Lena has portrayed a lot of different emotions on various levels. Nikolaj’s portrayal of Jaime in season 3 included a great range of multi-faceted emotions. They’ve provided Peter with fantastic, rich material in previous seasons and a lot of the times he has delivered. If Peter gets nominated again this year that’d be laughable though. He had a great dragon scene with a good speech, but that’s all.

      It’s just that a lot of the time, the cast aren’t given the opportunity to portray an entire emotional arc in one season because there are so many characters to show and so much plot to narrate, and at the moment they’re rushing through some stuff while lingering on other plot lines in order to get everything in position for big events. And that’s severely limiting the time spent on organic character development. It’s not so much about following the characters on their journeys but about meeting a narrative goal – a big battle, a shocking death, a dragon reappearance, etc.

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    69. dragonbringer,

      It could be the other way around.

      Ramsay propose surrender to Jon as his forces are vastly outnumbered. He rejects it as he will do it stubbornly.

      Daeny accepts surrender as Dothraki approach. These people on the ships might need to surrender as Yara and Theon doesn’t have that many ships to carry on all the Dothraki, Second Sons, Unsullied and supplies, horses.

      Just a question. Only seen you defend Daeny and Emilia. Do you even like other charcter because all the time I’ve seen you talking about her and defending her. Here Daeny is fairly popular and good unlike westeros.org or youtube and comments. That’s where she’s hated the most.

      Ice and Fire could be good erm for finale battle and not just Daeny and Jon. I know you probably want them together. Not everything needs to be about them and in fact they’re not Ice and Fire. We got Ice/Fire and Fire if we’re going by bloodline.

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    70. Ygritte,

      As some users (and Alfie) have said, it’s politics. I would be shocked if Kit got a nomination for an action role.

      dragonbringer,

      Oh please. I’m sure people will be cheering when she carpet bombs that abortion of a storyline and those cartoon villains. If she smiles with satisfaction while doing the whole thing, you will only have to defend her from Mad Queen theories (I might have to join you there, since that is clearly not the direction she’s going in and it’s just unfortunate direction and acting choices).

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    71. Geralt of Rivia,

      If you notice even here I don’t post that much anymore because I don’t have time and only on days iam free I post..

      I don’t post like i used to be in westeros.org before…. Most of the people I knew and posters also don’t post often anymore ..I guess one can only speak about the same things again and again before getting tired.

      So when I do go to westeros.org reading all the threads and posts itself takes time ..you are Lord Friendzone right ..
      I just can’t take anything serious in imdb or youtube …they are worst places not only for dany or got or asoiaf but for everything..

      I value WoTW and Westeros.org more and respect the posters here .

      I always list what I liked in the episode and include all the plotlines during recap. You can see that. But when it comes to talking about them or defending them its mostly because many will do that before I do and for your question about whether I like others. .think of this way I don’t talk about them mostly but I don’t talk bad about them as well.

      Regarding ICE and FiRE …..believe me when I say this ..I don’t care about they end up together or not . I believe in dany dying at the end…but I acknowledge there is a possibility that can happen and can’t understand why people start jumping at the very idea and think it may be cliche.. If GRRm does intend to do this way iam sure he will do it well ..when i say ice and fire it means targs who grew up in north and essos ..people can say Jon as ice/fire all they want but he is northman and stark through and through. And dany has both ice and fire blood as well..

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    72. Flayed Potatoes,

      The point is how people will make ridiculous comparison with the actions of jon like how they compared hanging olly and burning of khals..

      If people want to compare anything with how jon felt when hanging olly then the obvious comparison must be with dany ordering the death of mossodor not burning of khals. .

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    73. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      Jon accepts Ramsey´s surrender

      Dany rejects Harpy´s surrender

      I have a little problem of understanding here, as I’m not a native speaker.

      I thought the “terms of surrender” are usually dictated by the side that demands the surrender of the other side? And the side that is demanded surrender then accepts or rejects?

      Or is it that the losing side offers “terms of surrender” to the winning side, as is implied by your examples?

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    74. Green Chili,

      Hello, Green Chili. Nice to see your preview for ep9 is full of pics, but do you believe Meereen is gonna be in the episode? I’ve seen zero substantial evidence; I don’t think the 609 on the clapperboard actually refers to the episode, I think it might be something else.

      http://green-chili.blogspot.co.uk/

      Anyway, whaddya think? Personally, I want it to be a one location episode like 209 & 409.

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    75. dragonbringer:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      The point is how people will make ridiculous comparison with the actions of jon like how they compared hanging olly and burning of khals..

      If people want to compare anything with how jon felt when hanging olly then the obvious comparison must be with dany ordering the death of mossodor not burning of khals. .

      Who compares Jon hanging Olly with Dany burning the Khals? You are the only one who keeps comparing Jon and Dany in every single comment. Surely there must be other ways to defend Dany?
      Dany was compared to the Mad King after her burning the Khals (unfairly, in my opinion) , not Jon.

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    76. dragonbringer:
      Sam,

      Remember this is dany we are talking about and when she sees the ships she will only think about getting them to help her and she will not burn them but try come up with an idea how to get them with less damage and loss..

      Eh are we talking about Daenerys Targeryan? You overestimate her intelligence, surely. What’s she gonna do? Go to the shore and deliver another speech? Or light a pyre, walk through the fire for the third time, leading to all the enemy crew suffering a collective brain freeze and bowing down to her naked mightiness?

      Nah, set up for more drama is all it is. The Iron fleet will make a late, heroic entry to save Daenerys and earn her trust.

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    77. El-Bobbie,

      True, but you can’t deny that his role is more focused on action than the others. I don’t expect him to get nominated either way.

      dragonbringer,

      The difference in those two executions is that Jon is clearly affected by it and feels great guilt even after he does it. He treats Olly like a brother and we see him train him and tell him the same things Ned told Benjen while training. Olly is also given a backstory and we see the massacre in his village and how it has affected him. The time we spend with Jon and Olly doesn’t feel like “let’s give Jon something to do” time. It clearly influences his character in meaningful ways.

      With Mossador it feels like “Dany needs to have something to do”. Mossador as a character isn’t that well developed and while Dany is sad to have to execute him (that was a good standalone scene), we don’t see how the execution impacts her as a character afterwards. How does it change her? They don’t have a very close relationship. In the next episode, it’s back to business as usual, as if the event didn’t happen. I blame the writing here, not Dany or Emilia btw.

      A better comparison is Janos Slynt and Mossador imo. And based on how the scenes were placed on the show, I think they want you to compare them as well since the executions are tied with the idea of asserting authority as a new leader.

      Olly’s hanging and the burning of the khals shouldn’t even be compared, I agree with you. Most of Jon’s opponents (Thorne, Olly, Tormund pre-season 5, Mance) are three dimensional characters with strong motivations and they help Jon develop as a character. You can see their point of view and why they do certain things. On the other hand, Dany’s opponents are one dimensional slavers and rapists. Nobody in their right mind would root for them. They have a very “flavor of the week villain” vibe. I think the fact that GRRM hasn’t given Dany a proper three dimensional villain yet, is hurting her as a character.

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    78. ghost of winterfell,

      Well go back to the week after book of stranger aired and see every thread on that week ..

      Iam sure you will find that comparison made by many in most of threads that week…

      I have already said this but I don’t want to talk about something that does not happen..

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    79. Ravyn:
      AliKat,

      A lot of this submission stuff is political. They want to keep Dinklage happy so he gets submitted. He may not be having a great season, but he’s the face of the series, so it’s not surprising. I doubt he’ll be nominated this year, regardless.

      You know, I wondered if they wooed great guest starring names like McShane by promising them a submission for nomination in advance.

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    80. Corbyn Stark:

      Do you think Meereen is gonna be in 609 like some are saying? We probably won’t get any confirmation until the episode airs, but if there’s no sign in the official pics that’ll be released on Thursday, should we stop speculating?

      We know from several hints (not leaks or spoilers) that Meereen will be in 609, though the BoB will ofc take the bigger part of it. There’s no way to tell if the promo pix (which usually get released wednesday btw) include Meereen, as they are always quite selective; but even if they don’t, we’ll see the battle of fire next sunday 😉 .

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    81. BranTheBlessed,

      I think a likely situation is that the slaver armies/harpies are defeated on the field by the Dothraki and while that’s happening Yara and her fleet trap the slaver ships from behind in the harbor. With no way to go, the slavers surrender and Dany gets their ships. The slavers/harpies will probably be executed.

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    82. If we are talking asoiaf, IMO there’s a lot of similarities between Daenerys and Jon Snow.

      Both have strong motivations driving them, Daenerys with her fight to end slavery and Jon with his desire to unite the realm so as to fight against the Others. Both make choices that influence systems that have been in place for thousands of years, Slavery and Nightswatch. And both pay for their meddling, Jon with his life and Deanarys with war and bloodshed.

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    83. BranTheBlessed,

      Let’s see dany I knew

      Found a way to get all the unsullied and a way to free them..
      Found a way to win cities like yunkai and meereen with minimum loss to her army ..
      Who found a way to unite meereen so they can fight yunkai and other ghiscaris .
      Who find a way to get all the dothraki instead of escaping them.

      I was answering to the question about dragons not burning all the ships because she may need them…
      And we already saw her wondering where she will get thousands of ships ..so once she sees the ships she will be wondering how to get those without maximum damage ..

      And if you see my post I did say that slaves and IB will helpher get that

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Now I agree with you every thing you have said.
      SSince viserys and MMD she didn’t have anyone that are not one dimensional…

      See i don’t make the comparison at all …like you said I will say that thorne and mossodar and karstark are the most reasonable comparison ( all disobeyed their superior orders)
      But I brought up mossador because when people compared burning of khals and olly hanging..because mossodar is someone dany liked and brought him in to her small council ..and you can see her pain when sge ordered his death both in courtroom and amidst the crowd.

      And speaking about thorne and mossodar comparison…can you believe people used to compare mossodar death to joffery ordering Ned death ..not even compared to Robb and karstark but straight to joffery ..

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    84. Flayed Potatoes:
      BranTheBlessed,

      I think a likely situation is that the slaver armies/harpies are defeated on the field by the Dothraki and while that’s happening Yara and her fleet trap the slaver ships from behind in the harbor. With no way to go, the slavers surrender and Dany gets their ships. The slavers/harpies will probably be executed.

      It’d be cool if this happened, for sure. But what are the odds of getting battle scenes in both episode 9 and 10?

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    85. Arrrrghhhh!!!! I just watched the BotB trailer!! The trailer is amazing, AMAZINGG!!!! it should win the emmy straight away. That shot of Jon alone.. the doubt, the fear… can he shake himself out of it in time!!!!!!!!!!!

      Jon’s struggle with his identity this season has been sooooo good. I’m so glad they didn’t have him running around all heroic… it will make his heroism all the more satisfying.

      Ok, …. and breath. how long? 5 days 13 hours… remember the South Park episode where Cartman tries to freeze himself until the Nintendo Wii comes out.. that’s me.. right now. If cryogenics were an option I would take it.

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    86. Sacred Lime,

      I agree. I haven’t been watching previews, but I couldn’t help my self as this one aired right after the episode on sunday. and MAN OH MAN. I am so hyped. I just love Jon!!!!!!

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    87. dragonbringer,

      Nope, it was a very few who did compare the two, most of the comments were about whether or not Dany would turn into “Mad Queen”. You are the one who I see is always comparing them, in almost every comment. I know you like Dany and like to defend her, but it’s always at Jon’s expense! 🙂

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Yup, the biggest reason Dany’s story seems boring is that all her antagonists are one-dimensional cartoonish villains, which has continued this season too, with the rape-happy Dothraki Khals.

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    88. Sacred Lime:
      Arrrrghhhh!!!! I just watched the BotB trailer!! The trailer is amazing, AMAZINGG!!!! it should win the emmy straight away. That shot of Jon alone.. the doubt, the fear… can he shake himself out of it in time!!!!!!!!!!!

      Jon’s struggle with his identity this season has been sooooo good. I’m so glad they didn’t have him running around all heroic… it will make his heroism all the more satisfying.

      Ok, …. and breath. how long? 5 days 13 hours… remember the South Park episode where Cartman tries to freeze himself until the Nintendo Wii comes out.. that’s me.. right now. If cryogenics were an option I would take it.

      I agree! There are people who seem not to appreciate Kit’s portrayal of the fearful/conflicted/traumatized Jon but I do!

      Yup, it’s so hard to wait… 5 more days? Goodness.

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    89. ghost of winterfell,

      So you admit that comparison being made then why you are acting like it didn’t happen ..

      Tell me why those comparison made in the first place ..
      Iam never against comparisons but those are ridiculous comaparsions…

      I dont know what you are speaking about i dont do disregard in jon anyway and never actually did ….i only respond when people act that he is all mighty and above dany and disregard dany as lower than him or not worthy as him or as red herring to him.

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    90. Dee Stark,

      Lol, You know, I usually prefer to view alone because I can soak more in but dang do I wish I had somebody to watch this one with because I know I’m gonna be hyped and want to discuss shit as it goes down! 🙁 This forum is great but tbh it’s hard to have a voice on busy threads! I wonder if hubby would mind I invite a few guys over from work lol.

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    91. Sam:
      Dee Stark,
      I’ve watched the preview like 100 times since Sunday. LOL!

      Yes! I just watched it on repeat for 15 minutes.. and I’m still not bored of it.. if this is just the preview! I can’t just watch a preview over and over for 5 days.. I might re-watch all of Jon’s important episodes.. Starting with Lord Snow.

      There is something otherworldly to that shot of Jon standing with Longclaw at his side… I can’t explain it.. like the shot of him cradling Ygritte in Watchers on the Wall and looking away from the Night King while sailing away from Hardhome.

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    92. Dee Stark,

      In the ‘Journey to Spain’ Video, we could see a clapboard used in a scene which had Tyrion and Missendei, which said 609. So Meereen will be in ep 9, most likely.

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    93. dragonbringer,

      I didn’t see any of the Mossador and Joffrey comparisons.

      She should have executed Mossador privately though.

      I wouldn’t compare the execution of Mossador to that of Karstark either. Karstark’s execution is a game changer for Robb and has huge consequences to we see even in season 6. Robb loses a good chunk of his army, has to go back to the Freys, gets himself and half his family murdered. The new Lord Karstark sides with Ramsay over Jon and Sansa because of that execution.

      Mossador’s execution isn’t even in the same league as Karstark’s. One can argue that Dany made the same mistake Robb did (bad decision in execution), but unlike Robb she doesn’t get punished for it. Comparing the mistakes/decisions Dany and Robb make actually puts Dany in a worse position because it reinforces the fact that she has some of the strongest plot armor in the series and if the same rules that apply to other characters had applied to her, she would have been dead by now.

      Even Jon, for all his plot armor, got killed because he made a mistake in the eyes of the NW. Of course, now that he’s resurrected we know he’s safe for a while, though the showrunners still cleverly inserted a bit of doubt as to how long he’ll be alive for because he doesn’t seem to have any willpower at the moment. This actually highlights imo some of the flaws that exist in Dany’s narrative. She’s never really in danger, no matter how many mistakes she makes.

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    94. BranTheBlessed,

      Maybe we get a bit of set-up in episode 9 (preparing defenses) and dragons flying or getting released to secure that special effects Emmy. Then, in episode 10 we get a Dothraki cavalry charge and Yara’s fleet arriving. It seems like Bastardbowl got most of the money, so what happens in Meereen shouldn’t take long, especially since Dany has the biggest land army and it wouldn’t take long for her to win there.

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    95. Sacred Lime,
      Oh yes. He may not be on par with Peter (not yet anyway), but he did have a number of moments on this show. That stare down with the NK was one of those. Actually, even on his scenes with Peter in season 1, he was able to keep up with him, somehow. 🙂 From the preview alone, it looks like he’ll have a moment or two once again.

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    96. Flayed Potatoes,

      Of course you can’t see that because ithappened last year …
      Execution compared to joffery and marrying hizdar wadls compared to ramsey marrying sansa

      Ofcourse any comparison wont be exactly matching word by word. The comparsion just stops at executing a memeber who doesnt obey the commander .,king and queen..
      And during last sesosn I thought that executing of mossodar will actually lead to something but after this season it is clear it doesnt

      Please let’s stop this plot armor argument ..yes he gets killed but going to be resurrected which eventually gets him out of NW and end up becoming king …dany will endure captivity and enslaving before she comes back..but if you are going to talk about plot armor all including jon and tyrion and arya( no not because of this episode) and bran have them …

      I will say thats where GRRm made an error ….
      He scrapped the five year gap and expanded his garden in westeros but stalled dany in meereen while other stories catch up and all of them reach her ..
      And him being adamant about not giving anyother POV in slaversbay ..
      It was OK to have dany PoV in first three books…. But the moment he decided to scrap the gap he should have given another pov or deceloped some antagonist better..
      We all know dany will eventually land in westeros…so that takes away the tension and unpredictablity whatever happens in essos because she will eventually reach westeros…

      But I don’t think anyone can doubt that Jon and dany and tyrion and bran and arya bit making to the end episodes.

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    97. Even though many think that meereen will appear in episode 9 based on the spain promo video and everything…iam not sure myself..

      Out of 60 mins nearly 8 – 10 mins will go to previously on and opening and end credits. ..

      And this battle seems huge and nothing we have ever seen in TV….for goodness sake the promo itself took nearly around 1 min…
      So I don’t expect meereen to happen ..

      Blackwater and WOTW took 55 and 50 mins respectively …which means we can have 10 mins on meereen..

      So if meereen did happen I believe it will be span two episodes…10 mins in this episode and 15 mins in last episode…

      Geralt of Rivia,

      Reading the comment about promo above actually reminded me that my first comment about the episode was how awesome that promo was and how awesome Jon looked in it .

      So you see I don’t talk about dany alone and nor hate everyone else .

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    98. dragonbringer,

      I wasn’t here last year to read those comparisons.

      I think I’ve complained about Tyrion’s plot armor before. His storyline has been a mess for me since season 5, and I’ve only really enjoyed him in the first two or three seasons.

      I’ve also complained about how Arya shouldn’t have survived all those stab wounds in the previous episode. And I’ll go and add that it’s unrealistic for her to leave an assassin’s cult with virtually no consequence. I’ve mentioned here before how I was curious to see if she’ll be hunted by the FM for the rest of her life. I was actually kind of hoping for it.

      Yes, we know Bran and Jon are endgame, but at least there are moments where you feel they are genuinely in danger despite that. It also helps that they lose a lot of their supporting cast along the way (especially Bran this season; I don’t think many expected Hodor and Summer to die). There’s still some surprise there. The show even drastically reduced the number of wildlings and giants Jon saves. It puts him at a disadvantage, but it also makes things more realistic (and saves money for giants CGI I guess). The show doesn’t, however, reduce the number of khalasars.

      Bastardbowl is very predictable based on the trailer alone. I know Jon (and Sansa) will live, but I am nervous about a lot of Jon’s supporting cast and about the chaos LF will cause when he meets Jon. I am not that nervous about Meereenbowl. If one of the dragons dies, I would be very surprised.

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    99. Flayed Potatoes,

      Is it really though? Last season, Jon only had any “action” in Hardhome. The rest of his season had no fighting at all, so I don’t see how his storyline is more action-focused. This season is the same thing. The only fighting/action he will have is in the next episode. Jon being a “fighter” isn’t the reason Kit has never been nominated.

      I think he will have to do a tremendous acting job in ep 9 for Kit to get nominated. Because honestly nothing else he’s done this season is really noteworthy at all. I know D&D have been wanting Kit to get nominated so hopefully they gave him something he can shine with.

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    100. Connor,

      Yeah Wun Wun looked amazing. I wish we had more than one giant wrecking shit up lol. I hope Davos survives. He’s not much of a fighter. 🙁 I’m curious about the pre-battle scenes.

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    101. El-Bobbie,

      I hope so too. His scenes in Oathbreaker were good imo, particularly the hanging scene, but he hasn’t been so prominent after that.

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    102. Flayed Potatoes,

      I want Jon to tell Sansa off when she says that he doesnt know Ramsay, ummmm he fought far worse than him lol. Ya know, White Walkers? As Jon is trying to say, no one is worse then the White Walkers. I cant wait to see the look on her face when she sees them for the first time, ooohhhhh boyyyyy 😀

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    103. Flayed Potatoes,

      It’s probably more predictable to us because we speculate every single thing on the show and some of us are aware of spoilers. The general public that don’t partake in forums and internet fodder will be watching the episode with trepidation and fear.

      Honestly, the levels of hype for this ep are unreal, I’ve circulated the trailer to all my friends and they’re all so hyped.

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    104. Flayed Potatoes,

      Well I would say dany has lost the all of her family and than her brother and husband and child and barristan …

      You see there is significant in dothraki numbers and we can’t tell how much till the series ends and it can’t be compared with north and wildlings who had suffered huge defeat and lost most of the armies in wars before ..

      You can’t be nervous about battle of meereen because now dany comes with dothraki and yara is coming with IB ..not every battle needs to have casualities ..the battle itself will make a huge impact in essos and dany as a character….
      But I wonder you can feel the same when she lands in westeros..then we can’t be sure what happens .

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    105. I’m here to add my voice to the many that think that Alfie Allen has been robbed yet again. That’s it. The blurbs for the final episodes don’t sound exciting. Rejected and accepted? Makes you wonder what will happen, but I’m not interested in that. I just want Ramsay’s face to come out of this triumphant. Cersei’s trial in the final episode? Did not see that coming… -.-

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    106. El-Bobbie,

      While I agree Kit needs a big performance to get nominated, I wouldn’t say what he has done wasn’t noteworthy. That’s harsh, imo. He was really good in “Oathbreaker”, which is the only opportunity he has had to perform this season. He has been put more or less in the background after that.

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    107. It’s obvious that BotB will be almost entirely Jon-centric. I get that Jon has been more mute this season and a tad under-developed, but then again no other character on the show bar maybe Tyrion has been the focal point of an entire episode or close to an entire episode. Granted we’ll get some scenes with Sansa, Davos and Mel but Jon is the hero of this piece, this episode centres around him. His screentime in this ep will probably level up with what the other core characters have accrued so far this season.

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    108. ghost of winterfell,

      I didn’t think his acting in Oathbreaker was particularly noteworthy. Not as good as Peter with the dragons or Jaime so far. Those are the two he has to out-shine to get nominated.

      I agree though, he hadn’t been given much opportunity since then. He’s been more or less secondary to Sophie and even Liam.

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    109. dragonbringer,

      She lost her family before the show/books started. Drogo/Viserys/Drogo Jr. were lost in season 1 and she got dragons from Drogo’s pyre. Since then it’s been smooth sailing. Her campaign in Slaver’s Bay was smooth sailing, especially when you see that it was going on at the same time as the various war campaigns in Westeros which were not smooth sailing. Yes, she lost Barristan, but he was immediately replaced by Tyrion so you don’t get to see the effects of that loss. His death doesn’t really affect the story that much. Even Cersei has lost more than Dany has and Cersei actually feels the effects of her loss.

      Connor,

      The WW are far more menacing than Ramsay “meme” Bolton. I want to see EVERYONE react to them. It’s going to be so glorious. The new meeting on my wishlist is now Sansa and the Night’s King 😛 Not from up close, of course. I want her to live.

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    110. Guys there is IMDB syn for Ep. :As the Starks prepare to fight, Davos loses something dear. Ramsay plays a game. Daenerys faces a choice.

      What do you think??????????????????

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    111. I don’t know if its fair to say GRRM hasn’t provided Daenarys an antagonist in Essos to fight against. More accurate statement would be- We don’t know who the antagonist is. Dance with dragons ended on that note-Ser Barristan trying to uncover the mastermind behind the sons of the Harpy.

      I might be in the minority in this but I actually enjoyed Essos in the fifth book. Daenerys’ naivety and the politics in Mereen was very well written. The characters were interesting-Hizdahr, Barristan, Reznak, Strong Belwas, Brown Ben, Shaveplate, Green Grace, Xaro, Quentyn et al-added a lot of depth to the story. I think one of the reasons the show version suffers is because they have removed most of these characters.

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    112. Connor,

      I’d say that the WWs are a more dangerous foe than Ramsay, I actually don’t think you can say they are “worse.”

      Remember season 2/3 when the Hound told Arya that there were worse men than the Hound out there? And Arya said, “No one is worse than you.”

      No one is worse than Ramsay, no one, not Walder Frey, not the Mountain, not Craster, and not the WWs.

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    113. Flayed Potatoes,

      I don’t know how you can say that slavers bay went smooth. She is eventually going to make the call to kill all of them inorder to establish a new culture..

      From season 4 onwards she had been experiencing backset after backset

      Yes all of that happened before the books started or season started and in season one ..but everything had impacted dany and it still does …although the show is failed in showing this. One clear example how they failed is how much dany missed dany or how much she felt betrayed knowing he betrayed the only person she trusted ..you can see how much the life and losses she experienced have impact and shape her as a character in the books..

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    114. leepfrog:
      Sam,

      I agree – his acting has been great this year (even if you count him pretending that he was dead in the off season)

      I know! There are people who think that because he’s so muted and conflicted and unsure so far – not heroic like Jaime or strong/stern like Sansa, he’s not doing great acting. I actually like how he’s demonstrating his internal struggle. He’s had quiet moments (being so dazed and confused upon “waking up”, looking painfully at Olly before executing him, looking shocked at seeing Sansa) but they are strong moments as well.

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    115. BranTheBlessed,

      I like meereen too..

      Dany already came to conclusion who the harpy is …there will never be a single head to the harpy. ..its the group of ghiscari legions just like the show did..

      You see when ADWD starts we just start seeing this reznak and shavepate all in her council straightaway . it takes time to settle with them…

      The show not only removed all of it but made hizdar sympathetic rather than dany

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    116. dragonbringer,

      She took Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen very easily, the Second Sons joined her because of…Daario’s boner. That’s the campaign I said was smooth sailing. Even Tywin had struggles during the WOT5K and he’s someone with a lot of military experience.

      You can tell in the books, but you can’t tell in the show. I’m discussing the show.

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    117. Flayed Potatoes,

      She took astopor yunkai and meereen strategically…daario switching side never would affected the end result because dany actually set motions of her plan…astopor was poorly defended and took a chance and meereen invilved strageic also..dany asks jorah why there never was an attack on slavers bay and he gives a perfect answer to that..

      And the thing is those campaign never ended after getting meereen. They are still going on and only will end in last episode this season..

      And back to my original complain that they are not showing this instead made her as monotonous..
      Something you said as fact in another thread that she needed varys to figure out who is harpy when in the books she comes to the conclusion herself

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    118. Regarding the costume submission: Just because there weren’t a lot of pretty dresses this season doesn’t mean the costumes haven’t been amazing. Look at Jaime’s new armor or the armor of the new 7-star Kings Guard! The details are incredible! And you can tell just by how people are dressed where they are. Mereenese dress differently than the Dornish who dress differently than the Braavosi. And as awful as the Frey’s hats are, you know at a glance that they are Freys. The scope of the costuming is incredible. I’d nominate them just for Lem Lemoncloak’s cloak alone!

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    119. I’m calling it right now…GoT thoughts: Me thinks Jon and Sansa’s crew will get their asses handed to them. The Knights of the Vale will show up–but they’ll be a part of team Bolton. Wun Wun and/or Tormund don’t make it out alive.

      But something’s gonna happen to make everyone say oh crap and stop. Guessing the Night’s King shows up somehow or the wall comes down or something. There’s no way Jon and Sansa and Crew prevail. Nope.

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    120. Extra Stark, Please,

      I agree with this. Can’t see how Jon/Sansa’s small force have any hope against an aggressive large Bolton army. Although we don’t want him to, Jon will have to accept terms to protect remaining lives, but as you say, something will happen that will change everything again! Dany is just going to kick @ss!

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    121. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      With the Meereen battle in episode 9 too, I’m even more surprised at the title. It would have been the perfect time to use ‘Ice and Fire’, but perhaps they are saving that for later.

      Is Mereen taking place on episode 9 as well? Do you have any Source to share if you don’t ming

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    122. jpwf: No one is worse than Ramsay, no one, not Walder Frey, not the Mountain, not Craster, and not the WWs.

      … and Sansa!
      Sorry, your comment reminded me of Arya telling Ned all the people she hates in season 1 after Myca was killed.

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    123. King Podrick: Is Mereen taking place on episode 9 as well? Do you have any Source to share if you don’t ming

      There were some filming pictures of Missandei, Grey Worm, Tyrion (and the director?) with a clapboard saying Ep. 9 I believe. So I assume Meereen is in the episode. The picture was outdoors, with possibly CGI space for a dragon. It was reported here on WotW.

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    124. Roberta Baratheon: Regarding the costume submission: Just because there weren’t a lot of pretty dresses this season doesn’t mean the costumes haven’t been amazing.

      Missandei has gotten all the best outfits this season. She always gets great ones. The one she wore when Tyrion met with the Slavers in ep. 4 may have been my overall favorite of hers with the little shoulder pads and billowy pants. Hot! 🙂

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    125. Extra Stark, Please: But something’s gonna happen to make everyone say oh crap and stop.

      Hmm… We had a bunch of wacky theories last week so why not this week as well?

      How about a He-Man type transformation? “I HAVE THE POWER!!” Jon grows three sizes and Longclaw becomes a giant glowing sword shooting fire into the sky. Ghost turns into Battle Wolf and He-Jon rides him across the battle field cutting down all of the Bolton army. Yep, it has to happen like that or else the battle will suck!

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    126. Clob,

      Could go like that…given Arya being able to go all parkour after some story telling, stitches, soup, and milk of the poppy, I suppose anything is possible.

      I don’t know how it’s gonna happen. And I dred seeing so many of the Stark forces destroyed before it does, but something is gonna happen to shake up the bastard showdown.

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    127. Sides of beard laid on with yak hair to blend in with the actor’s own goatee. Scars made from colodion and art worked with inks. Various hair lace beards. Various fight injuries using blood effects. Freehand molding materials for cuts and swellings, art work with gels, grease paint and inks. Mud effects made with aqua colour rubber dust and clay powder. Mouth blood and lumps made with colored flavored gelatin. Bald caps under doubles’ wigs.

      That is some great effects!

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    128. So does anyone know how this portion works from the actors perspective? If I am remembering correctly when the actors are actually nominated there are specific episodes tied to them – is this true in the submission stage as well? I would be curious to know if for someone like Peter, for example, has chosen one of the last two to be in his reel.

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    129. As much as I have enjoyed Alfie’s portrayal of Theon this season, I just don’t get the gushing over it at all. I don’t think he has enough material this season to really earn a submission for Best Supporting Actor.

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    130. About props and costumes in Meereen. I think the whole pyramid “office” is quite ridiculous but that aside, the “living room” has a sense of being too modern somehow. The chairs look like they were bought in a modern Scandinavian furniture design store, the clothes like they were bought around the corner in a fashionista leather shop. It makes it look fake and it stands out in a bad way in my opinion in an otherwise believable world all around.

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    131. My faves performance-wise this season are: Nikolaj Koster-Waldau, Liam Cunningham, Lena Headey, Maisie Williams and Gwendoline Christie. But it is really hard to choose, the cast is doing an amazing job. Also liked Kit Harrington, Sophie Turner and Alfie Allen a lot.

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    132. Nice list of proposed nominations. I do wish the rules were a little more fair between featured and supporting acting parts. Dinklage is always wonderful but this year Kit Harrington had to do a lot of heavy lifting (including getting resurrected, twice). Similar recognition is due for Sophie Turner. She has matured as an actor (I think having a role in the X-Men series may have helped). For the last scene in Battle of the Bastards alone, she deserves at the least a nomination. She has worked hard for the money.

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