Game of Thrones Season Finale Photos: “Mother’s Mercy”

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HBO has released 7 new photos from “Mother’s Mercy,” the season finale of Game of Thrones season 5.

The episode synopsis: Stannis marches. Dany is surrounded by strangers. Cersei (Lena Headey) seeks forgiveness. Jon is challenged.

New HQ photos below the cut!

The season finale is written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss and directed by David Nutter.

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Plus, HBO posted this photo from the finale on HBO.com.

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    1. It could be the letter Stannis sent with Davos he’s reading… although that itself could be the show’s equivalent of the Pink Letter.

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    2. I’m so glad they’ve lightened the pictures from the episodes. Otherwise we’d never be able to even see Jaqen.

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    3. I’m thinking either Arya confesses to Jaqen or Jaqen calls her out, and then he helps her by giving her another face. Then the next girl whore Trant chooses ends up slitting his throat.

      And why does Sansa look surprised?

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    4. jentario:
      Robb Snow,

      Didn’t he tell Davos what to say? I don’t remember Stannis giving him a letter

      You’re right, he did not give Davos a letter. My mistake.

      However, Stannis did have a scroll in his hand in the scene where he told Davos to return to Castle Black. There was quite a bit of emphasis put on it, particularly when Stannis set it down on the table. I wonder…

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    5. There’s no way Sansa is pregnant, and she doesn’t look like that at all. wtf is wrong with you?

      She looks rather Lady Stoneheart’ish. They’ve been giving her the “hooded woman” clothes a lot this season. I wonder where that’s going.

      And oh wow, looks like burning little girls really gets Mel’s rocks off

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    6. I like the guys just sitting on the steps leading to Dany’s throne. Well, shit, what do we do now? We’re screwed. And Cersei trying so hard to look contrite. Not.

      And damnitall, this season went by way too fast!

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    7. That second Cersei picture is right after the Sparrow tells her the punishment.

      “Really? This came down to you seeing me naked? We could have solved that 8 episodes ago.”

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    8. fosho:

      They’ve been giving her the “hooded woman” clothes a lot this season. I wonder where that’s going.

      I’ve always considered it a book nod and love every time she wears it.

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    9. bigb,

      But look where he is standing, in their “face vault”, where they get new faces for disguise…

      So Arya will be getting a new face I’m guessing…

      Kind of sucks a little, thought D&D would at least put her through her “I’m blind and have to super heighten all my other senses” training.

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    10. Ugh… Melisandre has that look like, “OK, I’ll put out now. I want to name this Shadow Baby Braxton”

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    11. Jaime’sHand1220:
      I’m pretty sure Stannis sent Davis with that scroll….I mean that’s what I got out of it…but I tend to miss obvious things at times….

      No, I don’t think so. I’ve rewatched the scene a few times and Stannis does not hand the scroll to Davos, nor does Davos pick it up. Unless they just chose not to show it on camera, I think the scroll is still sitting on the table.

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    12. jentario:

      I’m thinking either Arya confesses to Jaqen or Jaqen calls her out, and then he helps her by giving her another face.

      That shot of Jaqen looks like he knows exactly what Lana just set off to do without having been told.

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    13. 60 mins is wayyyyyyyyyyyy to short for all those storylines to fit in.

      As for Cersei´s walk of shame … not at any point was Lena naked ALL the nude scenes were done by a body double i hear

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    14. Sansa’s been let out of her cage, eh? Honestly, she’s the one I’m most excited to see in the finale. Ever since I found out she’d be marrying Ramsay, I’ve wondered if she would end up getting pregnant. I just hope that they don’t turn her into Sansa Stoneheart; I would never want that kind of fate for her.

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    15. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      on set with the 100’s of extras it was a double for the nude shots
      but wasn’t it reported that she did filming on a closed green screen set?

      it makes more sense to do it that way anyway, given the specifics of the scene

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    16. Jaime’sHand1220,

      Yes there was a scroll Stannis had in front of him on that table when he was sending Davos off.

      Damn, I have to wait a year now to see how Davos reacts to what Stannis did, that scene is going to be epic, 2 of the top tier GoT actors in an intense emotional standoff…

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    17. Steven:

      As i heard from the moment they start stripping her its an body double. No green screens …

      Makes you wonder why has the main cast stopped stripping (except for Mel …) Dany is in bed with Dario every episode and she keeps coverd up all the time… :/

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    18. Stannis isn’t looking too distraught. He looks like he’s just ‘back to business.’

      What a douche nugget dingleberry.

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    19. Rygritte,

      In the promo for the episode we can see a shot of Arya in the face room, so I think they have a conversation in this scene. Also, Arya’s not wearing the Lanna outfit in the promo, and they’re coincidentally in the face room. So I think there won’t be a Lanna anymore, and that Arya will change her face.

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    20. Hahaha in that picture of Tyrion, Jorah, and Daario, they look like a rock band whose lead singer just quit the band.

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    21. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Hopefully that won’t impact the scene…
      I always thought it would need to be Lena in order for her to convey the full power of the scene
      But Im sure Nutter knows what hes doing.

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    22. Arthur,

      I’m almost wondering that if Davos sees Jon get resurrected (assuming that he is, of course) he’ll switch allegiances to the Starks, leading up to his mission to find Rickon.

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    23. Robb Snow: No, I don’t think so. I’ve rewatched the scene a few times and Stannis does not hand the scroll to Davos, nor does Davos pick it up. Unless they just chose not to show it on camera, I think the scroll is still sitting on the table.

      Got me bro

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    24. That look on Jon’s face is way more Pink Letter than Davos’ message. He just read

      “I want my bride back….And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard’s heart and eat it.”

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    25. jentario,

      Maybe Arya goes in the face room without Jaqen’s permission and sneaks off and he’s on to her the whole time but just staying back and observing.

      It kind of makes sense, you know Jaqen knows all about her, he knew her name and everything before she even told him. he knows what she’s been through.

      After all, it’s Arya’s type of prayer, the one she says evey night with those names, that is the type of prayer Facelessmen answer.

      Plus Jaqen owes Arya his life. I say when he learned about her, he found a special interest in her because her type of revenge is such a rare and special thing.

      He offered her a way to be trained to have the bittersweet satisfaction to cross those names off her list herself.

      He is the Facelessman that not only heard her prayer, but also owes her his life, so because of this special circumstances are allowed.

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    26. Davos lost his son in service to Stannis. Shireen was like a second child to Davos, a child he loved and respected. Now she is lost to him, as well, in a brutal way. I can’t imagine Davos following Stannis any longer. All I could think of watching the ordeal of Shireen walking that gauntlet was how furious Davos was going to be.

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    27. Cersei looks a hot mess lol Can’t wait to see

      her walk. I’m betting that will be the season end scene.

      So much stuff to look forward to!! Sansa/Reek stuff has me the most curious though I think. Oh and I am dreading

      Davos’ reaction to Shireen… 🙁

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    28. Gather your delusional balls together, oh stag master tool, and smack dat red tramp who corrupts your soul! I hope Shireen and Aemon are playing cyvasse in the clouds, waiting for their moment to send a lightning bolt or a dragon Mel’s way.

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    29. What do you guys think of these timings?

      Wall – 10 minutes
      King’s Landing – 10 minutes
      Braavos – 7 minutes
      Dorne – 8 minutes
      Meereen/Dothraki Sea – 8 minutes
      Winterfell/Stannis – 18 minutes

      Hopefully no-one’s surprised with me weighting it around Winterfell. Frankly, I wish it had a lot more. A lot of characters/plotlines up there are going to get screwed over as it is. Too much to do.

      edit: also, really? Davos finding out about Shireen this episode? I sort of hope that’s true, but also I’m just left thinking “oh another thing that has to be rushed”.

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    30. umuckurlife,

      Yeah I’m starting to think that as well. One way the Pink Letter (which I believe is authored by Ramsay) could perhaps come about is if Brienne and Pod help Sansa escape but are captured themselves, taking Mance’s place from the books. He might also mention the burning of Shireen if he witnessed or otherwise learned about that. The rest of the letter could stay largely the same.

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    31. Moonlight,

      Ressurection?No way.It could end with Jon warging Ghost,but there isn’t any set-up for his warg skills.They could leave his fate in the air.That along with Walk of Shame,WF plotline and other events could break the internet.

      This track could be used for his scene.It’s a strange title,but it’s very fitting for his scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxtO2mKY6QI

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    32. bigb,

      That’s true… We can just assume this teaching was done off screen?

      But good point, you would think learning such things would be worth the screen time!

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    33. Arthur: Plus Jaqen owes Arya his life.

      He killed three people for her and helped her escape Harrenhal pretty sure they are square in that regard, doesn’t mean to say he won’t give her extra length on the leash because of her history.

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    34. bigb,

      I doubt she’ll take a face. She might get one after the job to further her training but there’s really no necessity to change her face for killing Meryn or the Thin Man. a face wasn’t deemed necessary for the thin man and Meryn hasn’t recognized her despite the many opportunities to do so.

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    35. Geralt of Rivia,

      Wow… for some reason that track makes me think of Jon Snow’s spirit raising up from his body in like slow-motion or something? Him falling and the camera raising up over his body with Nights Watch people running around…

      Good call!

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    36. Arthur,

      That was a boring part in the book and it would have been even more boring on the show. And people are already saying that Arya’s storyline was slow all season .

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    37. barak,

      She was? I think ur right

      The walk of shame is my favorite chapter in the entire series, so I just want it to be amazing. I just was hoping we would get to see Lena act with more than just closeup shots of her face

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    38. If from this picture someone is projecting that Sansa is pregnant, (?) than so are Cersi, Mel, Jaqen, and Sam looks to be do any day now.

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    39. Satin,

      Theon could before he lost at least one finger. I don’t know how much a pinkie would affect one’s grip on an arrow, but I wouldn’t put much money on him being able to do much.

      I could be wrong though. I’m wrong a lot.

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    40. Chris,

      Hahaha I don’t think Sansa looks pregnant here, but it would be a very interesting twist if she were. Sansa is quite maternal in the books, so it would be neat to see that detail be taken a step further in the show.

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    41. For the Cersei story:

      For what it’s worth, I’ve heard from a well connected person that I trust, that Cersei’s walk is likely going to majorly disappoint many people. Lots of quick edits and less than 30 seconds is what I was told. Reason is Lena refused nudity. None at all. The whole thing is a body double and it’s because of that they have to do quick edits and a quick scene. Most of the walk will show the reactions of other people in the scene and be from their POV. Lena even refused to wear flesh colored clothing to mimic being nude in certain spots where Nutter wanted her face during the walk I was told. Feeling was she’s well within her right, but it was frustrating for many on the set.

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    42. Robb Snow,

      Ramsay capturing Brienne and Pod will mean nothing to Jon. The name Reek means nothing. It’ll have to be Theon and Sansa.

      As for the Shireen info, it’ll only take a defector or prisoner from Stannis’ camp to tell the Boltons what happened there.

      Here is one possibility:
      * Ramsay, occupied by the siege, lets his guard down and Sansa sees an opening
      * Theon has his “come to Jesus” moment, which could lead to a quick Bran vision cameo OR (my dream) a Sean Bean voice cameo.
      * They try to escape
      * Ramsay realizes it and tries to stop them. In the struggle, he is wounded (not fatally) by Sansa’s poky thing. He in turn wounds Sansa, but her and Theon still escape.
      * Brienne, having had enough of waiting, starts to infiltrate
      * Sansa and Theon make it to her, and Sansa lives long enough to tell her Bran and Rickon are alive and to tell Jon at the Wall.
      * The group is confronted by Stannis, and Theon allows himself to be captured or killed as a distraction, letting Brienne and Pod escape. Brienne grits her teeth and vows to get Stannis next season!
      * Davos, having seen the letter Ramsay writes, withdraws his request for help and leaves the Wall on a suicide run to kill Melisandre and/or Stannis.
      * So, FTW happens because of the Wilding stuff alone, not because Jon decides to go help Stannis.
      * Brienne and Pod head toward the Wall, and run into Davos. Brienne tells him Stannis is too well-guarded. They agree to team up and find Bran and Rickon.
      * Lady Sansa Heart rises.

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    43. diop,

      We can get the gist without Lena Headley, a respected and veteran performer who damn well has earned the right not to be the subject of a bunch of booger-eaters’ spank banks, showing nudity.

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    44. Geralt of Rivia,

      Is that the last track? I don’t have any of the soundtracks. Do they normally have them in order of when they’re used during the season? This one does sound like a final scene to credits rolling song of a finale.

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    45. Geralt of Rivia,

      I don’t think that will be used on the show. It seems to be similar to season 3’s ‘For The Realm’, which was never used on the show, and was for the soundtrack only.

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    46. diop,

      Is it true that she also gets into a huge fight with Jaime in the next episode and he then leaves to go find Brienne and Pod? That’s one rumor that I’ve heard.

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    47. Sansa looks terrible. Much as I don’t care much for her character, I don’t want her to be another cold, merciless creation.

      Very excited to see how Cersei’s scene ends.

      Jaqen knows all.

      (Please don’t kill Jorah)

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    48. diop,

      How the hell do they plan to convey the meaning and importance of that scene in 30 seconds? This is a huge moment in Cersei’s arc and dedicating a whole 30 seconds to it totally undermines that. Hopefully your friend is either exaggerating or just plain full of it.

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    49. Arthur,

      It’s like a sad version of Game of Thrones theme.It could be used for credits or just before the credits.This could indicate that it could be last scene of the season.Very depressing,but it’s certainly possible.Dany/Khalasar is in my mind a better option,but Dany already have her ending last episode.So I can see Jon scene being the last one.

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    50. Robb Snow,

      Yea… the final episode is also named after that moment.
      I know it has multiple meanings, but still.. it would be anticlimactic if the biggest scene in the entire series for Cersei is 30 seconds

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    51. Arthur,

      Arya’s training largely consists of performing chores about the HoBaW while practicing spying/lying, learning braavoosi, taking on new IDs through acting, killing the insurance man, taking a new face, and working with poisons. These chapters are largely introspective works about Arya’s inner development while she’s living in an isolated environment. The show has already skirted, merged, or eliminated the need most of the material I described. It makes sense to me that they’d rush right to Mercy since it is a very popular and shocking chapter that sets up her TWoW arc for season 6.

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    52. Chris:
      If from this picture someone is projecting that Sansa is pregnant, (?) than so are Cersi, Mel, Jaqen, and Sam looks to be do any day now.

      Sansa is not pregnant.
      Sophie Turner has got a fuller face over the 5 years from adolescence to adulthood.

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    53. Steven:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Lena Headey has WAY too many tattoos for the director to use her own naked body for the scene without massively reworking it anyways. Those are the realities. Green screen and a body double was always the only real option.

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    54. This isn’t the forum to post this question but its active enough for me to get a response so here goes….

      Last week when ellaria stormed out of the meeting with doran and jaime, doran said she was the mother of 4 of his neices. We have met the sand snakes, so will we meet the fourth? Im just looking for where dorne might be heading next season not so much expecting arianne though. Nor did I really care for arianne

      Bring on the Iron Born!!!

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    55. Robb Snow:

      No he is right. Think about it the scene has to be short to fit in this storyline overcrowded episode.

      Kinda sucks tough- I always tought they keept Lena dressed in the show (unlike Emilia, Carice, Natalie) for the purpose of her nudity beeing impactfull during “the walk”.

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    56. bigb,

      It’s very interesting you said that. I thought the exact same thing in the Hardhome episode and in this photo here.

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    57. Satin,

      I agree with you but I thought it was cool when she drank that potion that made her blind and she had to learn how to use all her other senses.

      And didn’t she warg into a cat?

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    58. Geralt of Rivia:
      Arthur,

      Do you think Daenerys had her last scene? I was thinking that very first shot in the episode promo of the green mountains would be her’s. When I pause the shot it almost looks like there’s a person on the mountain top on the left side. I was guessing Drogon dropped her off there and she’s watching him fly around. *shrug*

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    59. WorfWWorfington,

      The problem with that is that even if Sansa were to become Lady Stoneheart she’d need someone to raise her, probably Thoros of Myr. Even if Melisandre stumbled over her body, she’s never shown any ability to raise the dead. When she came across Beric, she seemed shocked it had been done once, much less six times. I highly doubt Sansa would arbitrarily resurrect herself.

      If we get any kind of Stonehearting, it’s not going to come from a dead person.

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    60. Steel_Wind,

      And just because the actual WALK is less than 30 seconds doesn’t mean the scenes with the Sparrow, any conversation she has with Kevan or Qyburn or even Tommen (“My Little King”) or the post-walk conversations/reactions all have to be fit into that time.

      I know you probably had your hand lotion ready for a full minute on each relevant body part, but get over it.

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    61. Lena Heady not only has lots of tattoos, but she is pregnant (and was during filming). She is due in July. On re-watching any scene she is in, notice that her belly is always in shadow or covered by her long draping sleeves. There is no way she could have done the nudity, nor should she have had to.

      The fun part of her pregnancy is although she has not said who the father of the baby is, she and Pedro Pascal were all over each other last season!!! Hope that it’s a little Oberyn Junior!!!

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    62. Steel_Wind,

      Have you SEEN Thor Bjornson? He’s got one full sleeve, another 3/4ths sleeve, and they were able to cover those for his topless Mountain scene. There are a lot of makeup options to use to cover up tattoos.

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    63. What use is the infamous Pink Letter now? The circumstances changed as soon as show decided to head off on their own path to a season finale. Different situations now exist, and I don’t see what use such a letter now serves.

      Ramsey would chase after Sansa if she escaped. He’d not wait, write a letter, tag it to a raven and sent it off to Castle Black. In the show, Ramsey knows her path would be heading directly into Stannis’ encampment. Think about it again.
      Would Ramsey go to all the trouble, wasting time, when he could be in hot-headed, hot pursuit of Sansa? He’d be blind furious and bugger anyone who stands in his way, even if that proved to be Roose.

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    64. Gosh, I am excited about every single storyline for the finale. I can’t pick. I also know that some of us will be quite surprised. I wonder why no picture was included of Dorne. That is one of the big mysteries in the episode – what happens there for each of the characters? Sansa, Theon, Brienne, Pod and Yara are another big mystery.

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    65. Roberta Baratheon,

      hope the scene is still powerful! The moments leading up to it and following it hopefully are amazing

      I just wanted to see the character have her big moment, and to see Lena finally get a damn emmy for her work.

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    66. Reavers Wrath: ellaria…the mother of 4 of his nieces.

      Ellaria is the mother of 4 of the younger SS (book). The show has made her the mother of Tyene, so there are 3 of her daughters running around somewhere offscreen. Who knows if they’ll add another SS to complete the 4 oldest SS? Probably not. Assuming they survive ep10, the 3 active SS will go on various missions in S6 (to KL and Oldtown, presumably).

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    67. If Arya does take a new face, I wonder if it might be that little girl she helped to die earlier in the season. I dunno… I like those sorts of connections.

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    68. Sansa got out of her room (or someone let her out). What is she looking at?

      It looks like there’s a row of bows behind her.

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    69. BeautyBrinne,

      In case this of use to you or anyone else complaining GoT is ‘too dark’ (I mean, in terms of lighting, not theme) and that you can’t see anything:

      *** Adjust the settings on your TV! ***

      Default settings from the manufacturer are ALWAYS ‘too dark’ (in my experience), so keep fiddling with the brightness control. Contrast and color saturation also might need tweaking. The ‘movie theater’ viewing option is especially dark.

      Keep experimenting with the relevant controls until you get what you want.

      I’m currently watching the show on a low-end Best Buy screen, and everything looks great!

      Happy viewing…

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    70. Arthur,

      Well, she could warg as early as her first ASoS chapter. However, the blinding did enhance other senses and caused her to use her warging abilities an active way in order to defy the KM. But it seems like the show has gone ahead and improved Arya’s perception skills through the thin man test. I can’t tell a girl what she sees~~ lo and behold, Arya carefully becomes immersed in the culture along the docks and recognizes her target and his scheme successfully through her own observations. As for the warging, I wouldn’t hold my breath. I love Nymeria but I don’t hold hope that she’ll come around soon.

      The show cut out big portions of Tyrion’s ADWD arc to get him to Dany in 7 hours. And he’s D&D’s beloved. So, I don’t expect Arya’s training to be extended further because she has a plot to get to with the rest. A new face would bring her closer to whatever GRRM has planned.

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    71. In the production photos, they showed at least 4 settings for the walk. There was a double doing the nude part. And it was comfirmed that Robert Strong will be there. Don´t see that happening in 30 secs.

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    72. Lucius,

      I hope its like the books.

      I want to see Cersei walk through ghetto slum streets, stepping in horse shit and piss, getting rotten tomatoes thrown at her.

      She deserves it!

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    73. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Headey herself said a while ago that she did not want to do nudity in sex scenes for Cersei, not because she was averse to nudity (noting that she had done it plenty of times before), but instead because it should serve a different purpose for this particular character. At the time, I was pretty sure that she was alluding to the Walk.

      However, her pregnancy would have skuppered that. A woman can hide a lot of pregnancy with clothing and camera angles: but even a little pregnancy is pretty obvious a naked woman (particularly one with her build).

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    74. I’m not clear , does the show runners , want us to beleive the khallessi never got married or did that marriage happen off screan cause watching all the specials
      They said 3 marriages on
      the show , in show universe only khallessi never marries hizda hazr . This is another thing that makes me have beef with 5-09

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    75. Roberta Baratheon: On re-watching any scene she is in, notice that her belly is always in shadow or covered by her long draping sleeves.

      Huh? According to the WotW posts tracking S5 filming progress, they filmed the scene in question during the end of Nov/early Dec of last year. If she is going to give birth in early July, she couldn’t have been showing back then.

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    76. Hodor’s Bastard,

      SHE DOES NOT WANT TO GET NAKED! THAT IS THE END OF IT!

      Threads like this are what gives the Mary Sues of the world ammunition. There will be a naked woman on the screen and that woman will be playing Cersei Lannister. End of story.

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    77. WorfWWorfington,

      Its got nothing to do with nudity. ITs just such a powerful iconic moment, that people want to see it be as poweful on screen
      Lena is a brilliant actress, so I hope within those 30 seconds, her face can show all the range of emotions that Cersei Lannister goes throughout that walk.

      Pride that shatters into desparation

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    78. I think diop’s friend is wrong. It would be hard to cram all of the things that happen during the Walk into 30 seconds. It’s perfectly understandable if Lena was uncomfortable or unable to shoot much of the Walk herself, but with proper editing and a body double they should easily be able to extend that scene beyond 30 seconds.

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    79. WorfWWorfington,

      To be fair, it’s not outrageous speculation considering she’s being raped nightly by Ramsay. Without any birth control methods available, pregnancy is a real, and horrifying, possibility for Sansa.

      That said, I don’t think she’s pregnant because even Sansa has to benefit from luck from time to time.

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    80. Roberta Baratheon:
      Lena Heady not only has lots of tattoos, but she is pregnant (and was during filming).She is due in July.On re-watching any scene she is in, notice that her belly is always in shadow or covered by her long draping sleeves.There is no way she could have done the nudity, nor should she have had to.

      The fun part of her pregnancy is although she has not said who the father of the baby is, she and Pedro Pascal were all over each other last season!!!Hope that it’s a little Oberyn Junior!!!

      You’re confusing this pregnancy with her first one during the series. They did the shooting for The Walk at the end of September/early October. Do the math there when she’s due next month. If she was pregnant at the time she wouldn’t be showing yet. In this article (October 3rd) showing the pictures during filming there’s one with her and Tommen from one week prior showing her in her dress with a belt not showing a pregnant belly.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2779705/Cersei-Lannister-does-naked-walk-shame-Game-Of-Thrones-set.html

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    81. for those saying it won’t be cersei as she’s pregnant I’m pretty certain they said in an interview that the walk was filmed on her birthday, which is early October, so she would have *just* got pregnant

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    82. Arthur,
      um, you know that’s not the same Jaqen from harrenhal though, right? this is a completely different person. this “Jaqen” owes Arya nothing.

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    83. Robb Snow,

      They also have 2 whole tracks dedicated to this moment
      “Atonement” and “Mother’s Mercy”

      If the walk itself itself is short, lets hope the moments leading up to and following it are amazing.

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    84. Satin,

      No, that is logical, and hopefully the old woman was slipping her moon tea.

      But the original comment was not made due to that logic. It was made because the person thought Sophie Turner looked fat. That person can put in their false teeth and bite me.

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    85. WorfWWorfington,

      Cut it out. We’re having a legitimate and amiable discussion about an important scene from the books and its portrayal in the show. If you find it objectionable, feel free to walk away.

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    86. Robb Snow,

      Guys. Seriously. Set your phone timers for 30 seconds and see how long it takes. If the actual “naked chick walking and stepping in crap and getting stuff thrown at her” takes 30 seconds, that’s plenty of time.

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    87. diop,

      Wow that sucks about the WoS. One has to wonder if the show’s overly excessive use of nudity in the earlier seasons is the reason she didn’t respect or consent to the decision to use it now. Maybe it really was because she looked pregnant (I can’t be bothered looking into the dates for that), but the alternative is pretty sad. An honest-to-god, justified story reason for using nudity, ruined by the pointlessly high titty-quotients of the past.

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    88. WorfWWorfington:
      Satin,

      SHE IS NOT PREGNANT! JESUS! People like the person who started this nonsense are why I fear for my daughters.

      Ummm, curious. Why is she not pregnant? What do you know? Apart from not knowing simple biology.

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    89. WorfWWorfington:

      I know you probably had your hand lotion ready for a full minute on each relevant body part, but get over it.

      Ya know… european guys dont need hand lotion since we still have our foreskin …

      Why americans cut their off is beyond me … i undestand when its a religious thing like with jews and muslims but to cut it off for the sake of cutting it off … madness.

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    90. diop,

      What about those reports then?

      “It took an awful lot of concessions for the scene to move forward. First, the production had to move all the way to the other side of town. Then, the Game of Thrones crew hired 200 security guards to make sure no one caught an inch of actress Lena Headey’s naked body. Additionally, local shop owners were paid off so that they wouldn’t be in the area during the shoot. Finally, cell phones were confiscated while shooting was underway, with TMZ reporting that only 4 people were actually on hand when Headey made Cersei’s famous walk of shame.

      All of the extra privacy, security guards, permits and payoffs added up to a lot of money. The scene was shot over four days in Dubrovnik, Croatia at a cost of $50,000 per day. That adds up to $200,000 just to shoot nudity outside. Despite the expensive price tag for a scene without VFX, Game of Thrones is lucky that the scene moved forward and was shot, at all.”

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    91. WorfWWorfington:
      Satin,

      No, that is logical, and hopefully the old woman was slipping her moon tea.

      But the original comment was not made due to that logic. It was made because the person thought Sophie Turner looked fat. That person can put in their false teeth and bite me.

      Oh I see! I was responding to the pregnancy comments in general. Sophie is quite thin and has no belly in this shot lol. It’s ludicrous to search for such evidence in this picture. A belly isn’t bound to show so early in pregnancy, though.

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    92. Seven Hells People! It was a joke.

      Chris:
      If from this picture someone is projecting that Sansa is pregnant, (?) than so are Cersi, Mel, Jaqen, and Sam looks to be do any day now.

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    93. Rat Kook,

      That’s taking it completely out of context. Lena talked about the Walk in season 4 interviews and seemed all for it and extremely excited.

      It probably comes down to her feeling uncomfortable getting naked in front of a hundred shouting extras, and who can blame her.

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    94. Wimsey:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Headey herself said a while ago that she did not want to do nudity in sex scenes for Cersei, not because she was averse to nudity (noting that she had done it plenty of times before), but instead because it should serve a different purpose for this particular character.At the time, I was pretty sure that she was alluding to the Walk.

      However, her pregnancy would have skuppered that.A woman can hide a lot of pregnancy with clothing and camera angles: but even a little pregnancy is pretty obvious a naked woman (particularly one with her build).

      look at this picture:

      http://www.fashiongonerogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/lena-headey-game-thrones-season-5-episode-one.jpg

      If she was pregnant at the time of shooting it was not showing.

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    95. Are people suggesting Sansa looks pregnant or the Sophie looks pregnant? I mean, it’s rather obvious that Sophie wasn’t or she’d be ‘fully’ pregnant now. I guess it’s not impossible they could make Sansa be, but man, would viewers hate that.

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    96. I really feel like there’s too much to fit into 10-episode seasons. They should have ordered 13-episode seasons after season 1 and I imagine the show could have been better for it. This finale is going to be so rushed and it’s going to be weird. Why not 13 episodes? They could have been more faithful to the books.

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    97. Arthur,

      She did warg into a cat in the books, when she was blind. It was very cool. But I suspect that she won’t do it in the show since it would make her too “overpowered” or whatever. And they’ve seemed to ditch the warg thing for Arya and Jon.

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    98. BostonDave,

      I know that Sophie Turner does not “look” pregnant in that picture, which was the whole reason this thread started. Someone thought she did.

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    99. KG,

      Not even exaggerating,
      but I could find 100+ quotes of D&D and GRRM answering that exact question of why they can’t have more than 10.

      Not enough money, not enough time. D&D spend every waking moment of the year on these 10 episodes, and they squeeze HBO to the limits to get enough money to film even this much

      and the finale this year is no where near as crammed as “The Children”

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    100. KG,

      I’m probably more surprised that they haven’t done more extended episodes to end seasons. I’m talking like 1 1/2 hours run time, not 75 minutes that includes three minutes of ‘previously on’, opening and credits.

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    101. zod,

      I remember that article!
      Thats why I thought Lena was actually doing it.
      I actually remember being surprised by that,

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    102. zen:
      Arthur,um, you know that’s not the same Jaqen from harrenhal though, right? this is a completely different person. this “Jaqen” owes Arya nothing.

      Jaqen isn’t Jaqen? Really? Boy am I dumb, I didn’t realize that. I wondered why he was being such a dick, hitting Arya with sticks and such. Harrenhal Jaqen was better to her; even when she gave him his own name, he didn’t hit her with sticks. There’s a lot I’m not following about the House of B & W. (Black & White, Benioff & Weiss, all the same: different faces when necessary.) Then who is he? the old black man that answered the door? Who cares, as long as the it’s the same actor playing Jaqen. Tom is seriously sweet to look at. (And Tormund, and Jon and Jaime. Hmmm, I think it’s time for me to back away from the laptop and get out a little bit.)

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    103. I read on IMDB that HBO hired 200 security guards to keep pap paparazzis away from “the walk” sce e so i cant see why it wouldnt be any nudity.

      IMDB also states that this will be Kit Harringtons episode but i am a bit sceptical to that.

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    104. WorfWWorfington:
      BostonDave,

      I know that Sophie Turner does not “look” pregnant in that picture, which was the whole reason this thread started. Someone thought she did.

      So your opinion is that she doesn’t look pregnant. You said nothing remotely like that. You were adamant that she was not. Along with some wacked out mention of fearing for your daughters.

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    105. Satin,
      She could be showing. I doubt she’s pregnant though. What’s weird is the timeline in the show. Back in the pilot Cersei comments that they had ridden months from KL to Winterfell yet this season it seemingly took LF mere days to ride from WF to KL. Plus Gilly’s never-aging baby. Sloppy details that showrunners should be more aware of. Continuity matters.

      I really feel like there’s too much to fit into 10-episode seasons. They should have ordered 13-episode seasons after season 1 and I imagine the show could have been better for it. This finale is going to be so rushed and it’s going to be weird. Why not 13 episodes? They could have been more faithful to the books.

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    106. jentario,

      This. I think fans do not understand basic filmmaking. There are schedules, budgets, and this show has many locations going on simultaneously.

      Take for instance,

      LSH. Perhaps that actress is just too busy or expensive to justify bringing the character back. That’s also probably why we’re not watching Jaime putz around the Riverlands, or Sansa slap Robyn around five times a day, or Tyrion basically going in circles around Essos because GRRM can’t figure out how to move the story.

      I sometimes marvel at just how crazy it is that this show happened in the first place.

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    107. BostonDave,

      Whatever. This started over fat-shaming. Either real fat-shaming or a stupid joke. Keep on defending it. Enjoy. Knock yourself out. No, really.

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    108. I don’t know who started with this

      “the WoS is only 30 seconds”, but the soundtrack for it is 2.30 minutes on itself.

      So it’s bullshit, obviously.

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    109. Satin:
      Thronetender,

      He’s no one~ Jaqen’s face is simply there to make Arya more comfortable, I suppose.

      Sigh. The Shireen episode got me all uncentered, and I still haven’t recovered. I think I need to scour the freezer for ice-cream. I will forgive myself temporary dizziness. GoT is almost over, I will be back to the world shortly.

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    110. KG,

      Back in the pilot Cersei comments that they had ridden months from KL to Winterfell yet it seemingly took LF mere days to ride from WF to KL.

      Robert and his entourage probably did not move the fastest, plus Cersei strikes me as the type of wife who will take “I’ve been waiting ALL NIGHT for you to come home” from you getting home at 10:30 p.m.

      Lastly, I’ve never figured out how much time is supposed to simultaneous on this show. Are we supposed to believe that at the exact same time Jaime is chatting with Doran, Shireen is burning and Tyrion is watching a gladiator fight?

      Or… does Littlefinger’s stuff in King’s Landing all take place well into Sansa-Ramsay’s marriage. Does the Dorne stuff take place while Cersei is still gloating over Margaery?

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    111. Dutch maester:
      I don’t know who started with this

      “the WoS is only 30 seconds”, but the soundtrack for it is 2.30 minutes on itself. So it’s bullshit, obviously.

      ya know the soundtrack can start playing while

      shes talking to the HS and while her hair is being cut ….

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    112. KG,

      Or even 90min season premiers and finales!

      I mean there are so many storylines to get going every season and to wrap up.

      It would make sense to have 90min openers and closers wouldn’t it?

      That is a total of 60mins, basically 1 episodes, increase the budget by 10% of what it would have been, IDK, I also hate all the scenes we have been waiting for to pan out all season being so rushed.

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    113. The fact so much stuff seems to be happening makes me question whether anything major will actually happen in Dorne. Gonna be mighty rushed if it does.

      Wimsey,

      Must admit I’m a bit disappointed if Lena doesn’t get naked for her big scene. Not because I want to ogle her ( as gorgeous a lady as she is) but I think it will detract from the scene. I read that same interview and really agreed with what she said about Cersei staying clothed being a visual representation of her being in control and as she loses that control so does she her clothing. Almost like a reverse of Dany who has stopped being as naked now she has gained more power. It’s a powerful visual tool for the story-telling. I mean she doesn’t even have to get fully nude. I think her being topless would suffice and perhaps just at the start and end of the walk. The face shot only feels like a cop out. I guess we’ll see but I would have thought Lena was professional enough to not shy away from nudity if it has a good purpose for the story which this is the very epitome of. Seems like with all the excess boobs the one time they’d really improve the show they could be missing!

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    114. Hoyti Von Totiy: ya know the soundtrack can start playing while

      shes talking to the HS and while her hair is being cut ….

      Mother’s Mercy will be the soundtrack in this scenes.

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    115. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Its her absolute right to stay clothed if she wants.
      Its got nothing to do with being “professional”
      We can’t fault her in any way.

      Im just glad I know this and can temper my expectations.

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    116. i look at it like it will be Sir-say lannister on screen, no matter who is depicting her, whether or not its Lena will have absolutely no effect on me

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    117. Arthur,

      Hmm. The only big scene this season I felt was rushed was the fight scene in Dorne.

      Hardhome, Daznak, the Stone Men, Cersei’s arrest, Dany and Tyrion were all just the right amount of time.

      I would have preferred Tyrion and Jorah to remain slaves for a bit longer, and really experience it but even that wasn’t bad.

      I don’t understand why some people feel the season is rushed? Is it because all of the scenes are important?

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    118. Im wondering if anyone has any ideas on How does davos find out about shireen, & what will his reaction be?

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    119. jentario,

      I think it’s because each season has more big moments than the one before. Instead of having a huge thing happen in one episode or two per season, we’re getting them every episode or every other episode. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. It’s just when you sit back after an episode airs and think of all that just happened, it’s kind of mind-blowing.

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    120. WorfWWorfington,

      Well then, you’ve got quite a talent for simplyfying things in your mind.

      HelloThere,

      She’s an actress and she has done so before plus she has alluded to being quite keen to do it as she feels it adds more to the scene. Sure she can keep clothed if she likes but it goes against what she has previously said and lessens the impact of the scene by her own thought process. I don’t know whether it’s American audiences only who get so riled up about this but there always seems to be uproar about nudity and sex which is pretty harmless stuff in the grand scheme of things but no one bats an eyelid about torture, mutilation,cannibalism and death…lots and lots of vicious, graphic death.

      Don’t be scared, folks. It’s only a pair of boobs.

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    121. jentario,

      I haven’t felt like things were rushed this season. I am just stating that with the huge amount of characters and storylines this show has going on I think it would be a good thing to let the premiers and finales run 80-90mins.

      That would give more time to catch-up with all the storylines and then more time to have them all neatly packed away until next season.

      Just a wish.

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    122. Roose On The Loose,

      Yea, it doesn’t matter

      I just don’t want the scene to be so short that it looses all its power and impact. Nudity has nothing to do with it. It cud be all just Cersei’s face… Its not like we see tits in the pages of the novel. 30 seconds isn’t long enough IMO, but I could be proven wrong

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    123. I think Sansa and Reek

      will escape, hook up with Brienne and Pod and endup at Stannis camp– so much Brienne wanting to kill Stannis to not have them meet. That story will end there.
      Dany meets the Dothraki, John gets stabbed, Arya goes blind, Cersei is picked up by Gregorstein, Jaimie who the fuck knows. I think they will leave Varys and Kevan out until next season.

      Everything is such a bummer I can’t figure out what hopeful note it could end on or if it will just be the most depressing GOT season of all time 🙂

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    124. MaesterMercy,

      I bet Jon Reads the “Pink Letter” or whatever with Davos present, then says something like “And there’s something here you would want to know” and hands him the letter with a sympathetic look.

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    125. TheTouchOfFrost,

      No, you sound like someone swinging a pair of Mardis Gras beads around yelling ‘BOOOOOOBS!’ It doesn’t matter if we see them or not. They’re hers. Even if she’s shown them before, if she doesn’t want to do it now, nothing will be lost from the story. I know she’s said she’s fine with nudity before, but she’s allowed to change her mind. It has absolutely nothing to do with her professionalism.

      I’m American, yes, but personally I don’t get riled up by breasts. I deal with them every single day without getting the vapors.

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    126. MaesterMercy,

      Only theory I can come up with regarding the how: some guys desert Stannis because of the burning and go straight to the Wall rather than face execution. Davos recognises them and asks what they’re doing there.

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    127. Arthur:
      MaesterMercy,

      I bet Jon Reads the “Pink Letter” or whatever with Davos present, then says something like “And there’s something here you would want to know” and hands him the letter with a sympathetic look.

      Naw… Davos has his sort of honor, but he’s a smuggler. He already read the shit out of that letter; no way would Stan include that info. Furthermore, it wouldn’t further the purpose of the letter to have Jon know he’s deciding whether or not to send help to a child-burner.

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    128. You SJWs are really too much. There was no fat shaming. You should stop “man shaming” for normal people wanting to see what’s under a hot chicks hood.

      As to Headey, if you want to see her naked download 300.

      WorfWWorfington:
      BostonDave,

      Whatever. This started over fat-shaming. Either real fat-shaming or a stupid joke. Keep on defending it. Enjoy. Knock yourself out. No, really.

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    129. Melisandre has reason to be happy. Shireen has made the ultimate sacrifice to save the Seven Kingdoms. It’s a triumphant moment, the ultimate entreatment to the Lord of Light.

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    130. Clob,

      I’m almost certain that is Moat Calin, none of the main protagonists are anywhere near there at the moment (maybe Littlefinger), but my wild guess is…

      In the first few scenes we see a hooded figure standing on the hills over Moat Calin, then at the end of the show we get BOOM – Lady Stoneheart

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    131. Arthur,

      I disagree. That track is the end credits. I don’t usually listen to the soundtrack. Do they use vocals in the show very often? I only remember that in the Mysha scene when Dany crowd surfs.

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    132. While I don’t see why Stannis would send Jon a letter disclosing his daughter-burning, it would be heartbreaking for Davos to have delivered the letter never having peeked. Cause if he did you know there would have been some smuggling.

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    133. MaesterMercy:
      Im wondering if anyone has any ideas on How does davos find out about shireen, & what will his reaction be?

      Maybe we’re not giving Davos enough credit. He knew what was going to happen when he left without Shireen/Selyse, per Stannis’ orders. He may have already lost hope with his “king” and won’t return.

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    134. Ravyn,

      Yeah I didn’t know that though…

      Plus he will probably find out at the wall with Jon, I want to see him go face to face with Stannis and ask him how he could do that and that he has become a monster and unswear his fealty and take the black.

      Something like that with those two actors going toe to toe.

      If that happens we will have to wait a year.

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    135. BeautyBrinne,

      You seem to be getting pretty riled up here which suggests that you really don’t have a very mature attitude towards discussing nudity.
      Also stop trying to put words in my mouth.

      Not at any point did I claim she HAS to get them out and I said I thought she would be professional enough to handle nudity as part of her job which isn’t the same as me claiming she is unprofessional if she doesn’t get naked (we don’t know if she does or not or the reasons for her doing so or not doing so). In my opinion, the scene won’t be as powerful if we don’t believe it is Lena/Cersei naked. Stop trying to turn this into an argument about how actresses ( or actors for that matter seeing as no one seems to care about male nudity one way or another on screen) feel pressured to get naked as it’s not about that at all.
      Stripping away (unfortunate use of words) all the issues around nudity, do you think the scene will be more powerful/memorable if we see that it is unquestionably Lena/Cersei doing the walk naked?

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    136. Tiny direwolf

      I agree

      Kevan, Varys (and Pycelle) don’t need to happen straight away. It would be overkill (so to speak).

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    137. I’m looking forward to the WoS, but I’m also dreading it. Always feel intensely uncomfortable during scenes of humiliation, regardless of who’s involved.

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    138. The Jaqen shot makes me think he’s at a point where

      he tells No One that she’s been a naughty freelancing assassin and has to go blind.

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    139. Holy fuck.

      I’ve been on vacation and was actually looking forward to reading around here upon my return. Unfortunately, most of what I’ve read consists of some probable troll posting what’s most likely bullshit about Lena refusing to even wear flesh-colored clothing (the post was almost plausible until that), people whining about maybe not getting to see Lena nude (why don’t you just wait to watch the episode, before going on and on about how disappointing it is), sniping at each other about how they perceived a particular comment, and no one bothering to cover huge book spoilers. I’ve read the books, but it absolutely sucks Unsullied can’t come to this thread to discuss the finale without being spoiled.

      As much as I’m sorry the season is almost over, I look forward to the off-season when this place is a lot more fun!

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    140. HelloThere:
      KG,
      *face palm

      Don’t tell me HBO and D&D can’t afford to write/produce 3 additional episodes per season? They can afford it. This show has become a hollow shell of the books that inspired it. I mean, really?

      GRRM recently remarked on his site that he wished GOT had been adapted more like Outlander, with 8-episode half-seasons, 16 total episodes per year. It would have maybe done his work proper justice than the mostly banal filler D&D have been giving us all throughout Season 5. GRRM said he wished D&D would return to the Riverlands eventually. They probably won’t because it seems liked they’d rather write their own fanfic at this point.

      This has been the most disjointed season to date. Sure, Hardhome was pretty cool, still doesn’t make up for the decision to have Stannis burn Shireen over a few burnt horses and supplies. He would have sooner eaten the dead men than sacrifice his own daughter in the books. It was not aligned with the character of book Stannis at all. Why even take the Iron Throne with no heir? If Shireen burns in the books, I imagine Mel will do it without his consent, considering geographically their respective locations.

      And look at Dorne. It was a running joke all season. Did you enjoy Dorne? They butchered the plot from the books. They removed Arianne, they removed the complexity of Dorne that distinguished it from other kingdoms in the realm. They didn’t even touch on the fact that in Dorne, female heirs can ascend to the throne. They portrayed Dornish women either as sluts, or so hell-bent on revenge that it blinded their humanity. Ellaria threw a tantrum when she found out she couldn’t mutilate and torture the innocent child Myrcella. Huge departure from book Ellaria. The only redemption was Alexander Siddig’s very few performances.

      You honestly don’t think the finale will be rushed? Not even a little bit?

      Keep making excuses for D&D. The “streamlining” of plots this season hasn’t even remotely showed any respect to the content of the books. They’re doing their own thing now. And the changes from the books haven’t made sense most of the time. I was excited about this season, but it was a stunning disappointment.

      I’m so sorry that I care about the books. I cannot defend the bizarre changes that Benioff&Weiss have made. They’re butchering a beautiful piece of literature that many people love. Perhaps I would feel differently if the vast majority of changes hadn’t been so nonsensical.

      Show-apologists can attack me. I don’t care. Team #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS all the way.

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    141. Hodor’s Bastard: Maybe we’re not giving Davos enough credit. He knew what was going to happen when he left without Shireen/Selyse, per Stannis’ orders. He may have already lost hope with his “king” and won’t return.

      you may be right, i just feel like Davos would rather die trying to get her out than just leave knowing that was going to happen and doing nothing and have to live with that the rest of his life

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    142. KG:
      Satin,
      She could be showing. I doubt she’s pregnant though. What’s weird is the timeline in the show. Back in the pilot Cersei comments that they had ridden months from KL to Winterfell yet this season it seemingly took LF mere days to ride from WF to KL. Plus Gilly’s never-aging baby. Sloppy details that showrunners should be more aware of. Continuity matters.

      I really feel like there’s too much to fit into 10-episode seasons. They should have ordered 13-episode seasons after season 1 and I imagine the show could have been better for it. This finale is going to be so rushed and it’s going to be weird. Why not 13 episodes? They could have been more faithful to the books.

      Not that either the show or the books are sticklers for time, but only about a month or two has passed between E6 and E10 (based on Stannis’s march, Jon’s trip to Hardhome, etc). Realistically I don’t think Sansa could be showing yet even if she were impregnated immediately, especially through such thick clothes.

      I agree, this season needed more episodes (but not 20!). Thirteen or so sounds about perfect.

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    143. Geralt of Rivia,

      I agree with this. I’m thinking

      Dany in the horde, Cerceis WOS, Varys in Pycelles room, and FTW

      .

      But I wouldn’t be surprised if something has to go. If so the penultimate scene in my scenario is the only possibility. I can’t see the last one being cut and the first two are basically confirmed.

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    144. HelloThere:
      Not even exaggerating,
      but I could find 100+ quotes of D&D and GRRM answering that exact question of why they can’t have more than 10.

      I always wish we could have more time, but D&D and the rest of the GoT production team make ten hours of film-quality television every year on several continents with lavish production design and enormous casts… Personally I think we’re lucky to get what we get. 🙂

      I’m ridiculously excited for the season finale this year. I appear to be in the minority in that I think Season 5 has been fantastic (although I -grudgingly- agree that one downside was that lame Sand Snake hand to hand combat scene), and as someone who has NO IDEA what’s coming up… I don’t read spoilers… I just know it’s going to be a long three month wait until next spring.

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    145. Off-Topic Otto,

      If Ramsay and his men were still scouting and witnessed the burning, then he could easily put that in the Pink Letter. It would actually be an apt tactical move as it could sow discord between the Night’s Watch and Stannis and prevent Stannis from getting more supplies.

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    146. Ozy:
      This episode should have been 70 minutes.

      Yes. I agree. That would solve some of the pacing issues and not make it all feel so rushed. This is the season finale. They could have tacked on 10 additional minutes, at least.

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    147. There were the early video interviews of Iwan and Stephen covered in blood with lots of snow in the background, so something is coming in episode 10.

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    148. Arthur:
      KG,

      Or even 90min season premiers and finales!

      I mean there are so many storylines to get going every season and to wrap up.

      It would make sense to have 90min openers and closers wouldn’t it?

      That is a total of 60mins, basically 1 episodes, increase the budget by 10% of what it would have been, IDK, I also hate all the scenes we have been waiting for to pan out all season being so rushed.

      I completely agree!! Even GRRM wishes for slightly longer seasons. He said he envies Outlander’s format. That’s a big deal, coming from him.

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    149. Since no one else is using spoiler tags, I mostly gave up using them as well. No point in using a spoiler tag on something that the commenter just above me didn’t bother to.

      g4,

      What’s so bad about her looks in those pictures?

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    150. only 60 minutes? are you fucking kidding me???

      they have to get through SO much stuff.

      im calling it now, EVERYTHING will seem rushed.

      Remember Tyrions escape last season? Remember how shit it was because it felt so rushed? Now imagine this whole god damn episode playing out like that. Ugh.

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    151. Clob:
      KG,

      I’m probably more surprised that they haven’t done more extended episodes to end seasons.I’m talking like 1 1/2 hours run time, not 75 minutes that includes three minutes of ‘previously on’, opening and credits.

      Yeah, that would make sense. I totally agree and I wish it would happen. 🙁

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    152. Hoyti Von Totiy
      Kinda sucks tough-

      I always tought they keept Lena dressed in the show (unlike Emilia, Carice, Natalie) for the purpose of her nudity beeing impactfull during “the walk”.

      That is exactly what Headey said and on top of that there are multiple pictures from the filming of that sequence and it’s safe to say it’s huge. diop (or their friend) is just full of it.

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    153. KG,

      It’s not about money, it’s about time. They can’t produce more than 10 episodes and have the new season ready to be released every Spring. This has always been the reasoning, and they have given examples of episodes not being fully completed until mere days before they air. I doubt 2 or 3 episodes would have changed their decision not to include Manderly or LS or the Ironborn this season. At this point, the show is the show, and the books are the books. Both have their detractors.

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    154. BeautyBrinne,

      Give ’em hell…the flour-making bastards! 😛

      I.m starting to think that nothing too dramatic can happen in Dorne as there’s not really that much time to do it in w ith all th other stuff going on! I think the big change thing Miss Henwick was going on about will be a reveal as opposed to a death…but who knows really?!

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    155. What if sansa is preggers, slits her own throat in failed rescue attempt, is brought to life by thoros or mel, then undead sansa stoneheart gives birth to…?!?

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    156. HelloThere:
      KG,

      and he always ends those wishes w/ “but we can’t”

      That’s true. I really hope the final season is split up into something akin to the Sopranos-style final season format. That would be cool. I can’t imagine the final season only being 10 roughly 60-min episodes. Maybe a 2-hour final episode. I know logistically it’s a nightmare, but after Hardhome I think they can pull anything off.

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    157. Also…I can’t see Mel making it to the wall in time for things that may happen there especially if she’s with Stannis as he attacks WF. Could Davos somehow take her perceived role of what she might do there somehow?….yeah…I think that’s vauge enough.

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    158. This might of been pointed out already, but those bows in the Sansa picture are the same kind that Stannis’s soldiers use in the preview. This probably doesn’t mean anything, since I think I remember the Northern bows looking pretty similar to these.

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    159. LOL, how to do spoilers is only at the top of every comment section.

      I just realized the same good weather that encourages Stannis to march on Winterfell will also make it much less risky for Sansa and the gang to escape and head north.

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    160. BeautyBrinne,

      I’ve certainly gotten hot-headed from time to time…my first post back wasn’t exactly sunshine and rainbows. I’m just excited for the finale and was looking forward to reveling in that excitement.

      I did learn something very cool on my trip, though…

      My 78 year-old stepfather is a big Game of Thrones fan, and he wants a “Hodor” shirt (which I’ll be sending him in a few days). 🙂

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    161. BeautyBrinne,

      Possibly. I’m not sure what killing Myrcella would accomplish for the plot (also be odd to recast her for such a small role). Losing an appendage would work for all intents and purposes though. Plus she could have some banter with Jaime and Tyrion about Lannisters losing body parts!

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    162. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      KG,

      It’s not about money, it’s about time. They can’t produce more than 10 episodes and have the new season ready to be released every Spring. This has always been the reasoning, and they have given examples of episodes not being fully completed until mere days before they air. I doubt 2 or 3 episodes would have changed their decision not to include Manderly or LS or the Ironborn this season. At this point, the show is the show, and the books are the books. Both have their detractors.

      Yeah, that’s very true. I suppose also the Outlander format of 8 episodes in the fall, then 8 episodes in the spring would logistically be unrealistic for GoT due to all the VFX and battles. That would be amazing though if the last season was 16 episodes total, split up, first 8 aired in the spring and then the remaining 8 aired in the fall. It’s wishful thinking on my part, thought.

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    163. KG,

      HBO is already on record saying something like they wish D&D wanted to go past 7 seasons but they don’t interfere with these kind of choices.

      If D&D came to HBO with something like a 7 episode season 7A and 7 episode season 7B (that’s a lot of sevens) HBO would be like… “OKAY PLEASE!”

      And on top of that, if D&D said something like… “And we really want to go out with a bang so we will need a 50% budget increase for both part A and B so we can have Drogon flying, White Walkers, Dire Wolves and all the other fantasy elements coupled with epic battle scenes… HBO would be like… “YES PLEASE!”

      So I can’t see why D&D wouldn’t push for something like this, some epic final season.

      They always say this is their dream job and once in a lifetime opportunity. Yes they must be so taxed by it, they live, eat and sleep GoT, but if you’re going to do it, do it right, end with a freaking bang.

      COME ON D&D FANTASY NERDS EVRYWHERE NEED THIS!

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    164. Hey you guys,

      WHAT IF….

      Arya turns out to be Lady Stoneheart? A little creepy to be wearing you dead mother’s face buuut….I saw something on twitter about a random prosthetic decapitated Catelyn Stark head that was made for no purpose (so far), that would perfectly fit inside one of the face cubbies in the Faceless Men’s secret face chamber. That and both Arya and Lady Stoneheart are out for some massive revenge…why not just make them the same person? And “Mother’s Mercy” is the finale title..doesn’t Arya go by the name Mercy at one point in the books? AND imdb posted (then deleted) that Michelle Fairley (Catelyn) would be making an appearance in Season 5, Episode 10 as a “hooded woman”. What do you think?

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    165. This might be crazy, but I e been thinking about the time constraints and I’m wondering for the first time if

      FTW doesn’t happen this season. I never would have thought it before, but Sam hasn’t left yet, Sansa hasn’t escaped, Dany hasn’t landed, etc. I could go on but you get the drift. What are the chances? That would kind of be a let down, especially w the Olly shade-throwing these past however many episodes.

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    166. Joseph Nobles:
      LOL, how to do spoilers is only at the top of every comment section.

      Yes, I think everybody should stop complaining about spoiler code until the instructions are where they belong: at the point of commenting. It’s bad design. When there’s bad design and people act accordingly, it’s not the people’s fault.

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    167. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412350437030_Image_galleryImage_Filming_the_HBO_series_Ga.JPG

      Isn’t this Lena?

      Also both these articles indicate she might have actually done the scenes
      http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Cersei-Game-Thrones-Nude-Scene-Cost-How-Much-Shoot-67684.html

      http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/06/game-of-thrones-nude-scene-cersei-lena-headey-naked-security/

      Though these are not reliable sources.

      Again, im not being pervy about wanting to see Lena’s tits. The Walk of Shame is my favorite chapter and I want it done justice. I don’t care if the entire walk is just her face as long as its done well… Its not like the pages of the novel have tits

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    168. Moonlight,

      If you take good care of your old fella then it has exactly the same effects as having the snip minus the complications of the actual procedure!

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    169. Joseph Nobles:
      I don’t know how to do the spoiler tags.

      type “spoiler” in square brackets [ ] before what you want to hide, and “/spoiler” in square brackets [ ] after. Do not use triangle brackets. This latter point is confusing because all the other items like italics use triangles.

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    170. KG,

      Basically, they are almost doing the equivalent of the Lord of the Rings trilogy annually. Otis not quite as CGI heavy: but It is much more so than any comparable program.

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    171. BeautyBrinne,

      No, no, no, no, no…I didn’t watch it with him. I couldn’t watch GoT with him, as that would, well, just be way too awkward.

      I watched it while he was sleeping, and he watches it with his lady-friend.

      Off-Topic Otto,

      Just because you don’t like where the spoiler code is located doesn’t give you an excuse not to use it. It isn’t like it is some complicated undertaking, and most people, once they figure out what it is, are more than capable of remembering it.

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    172. Latest nugget from GRRM on his ‘Not a Blog’:

      http://grrm.livejournal.com/429752.html#comments

      Meanwhile, other wars are breaking out on other fronts, centered around the last few episodes of GAME OF THRONES. It is not my intention to get involved in those, nor to allow them to take over my blog and website, so please stop emailing me about them, or posting off-topic comments here on my Not A Blog. Wage those battles on Westeros, or Tower of the Hand, or Boiled Leather, or Winter Is Coming, or Watchers on the Walls. Anyplace that isn’t here, actually.

      Yes, I know that THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER named me “the third most powerful writer in Hollywood” last December. You would be surprised at how little that means. I cannot control what anyone else says or does, or make them stop saying or doing it, be it on the fannish or professional fronts. What I can control is what happens in my books, so I am going to return to that chapter I’ve been writing on THE WINDS OF WINTER now, thank you very much.

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    173. diop: Lena refused nudity.

      That’s interesting considering a year ago she was asked in an interview about how she feels about possibly doing nudity in the future

      (for the walk) since her character hasn’t been nude yet which the interviewer found surprising given the nudity on the show. She said she had no problem with nudity whatsoever if it was not gratuitous and was very excited about doing the walk. She said since her character hasn’t been nude with the exception of the broken tower of love scene, it would have an even bigger impact.

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    174. DarkHart,

      He’s tired of people flooding the comment sections of his posts with off-topic comments/questions about how the show messed something up(in their eyes). This week it was people complaining about what happened with Stannis.

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    175. Hodor’s Bastard,

      They have to have

      the Sphinx! The riddle is the Sphinx! Of course, the fact that Maester Aemon never uttered this quote in the show does not bode well for the Sphinx. I will be so sad if they go to Oldtown and still never include her because was by far my favorite Sand Snake – 100 times over. I almost chose the pseudonym of Nelle the Sphinx rather than Ginevra.

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    176. KG,

      As has been stated repeatedly over the years, to maintain the quality level D&D want, 10eps are all they can humanly do. I know it’s easy to sit in a room behind a computer and say Just do more episodes, but in the real production world, that’s more money, time, scheduling talent, and a million other logistics. As GRRM recently said, “Dan and Dave work on this 24/7 all year as it is”. Be grateful you get 10 and not the 8 like True Detective.

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    177. Salvatore Leone:
      KG,

      Sure,it would have made more sense to cover the garbage filler from the book……moron .

      quit the name calling and personal attacks before Sue destroys you with the ban hammer

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    178. rampage,

      This scene has never been about pervy nudity. In fact, the crowd mocks Cersei for her faded beauty, stretch marks, wine belly, etc

      And also, Lena is gorgeous

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    179. G3706:
      for those saying it won’t be cersei as she’s pregnant I’m pretty certain they said in an interview that the walk was filmed on her birthday, which is early October, so she would have *just* got pregnant

      How serendipitous, assuming that she got to spend her birthday in her birthday suit.

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    180. I really have to LOL at everyone with their “ONLY 61 MINUTES?? IT WILL ALL BE RUSHED” comments. One thing you people could consider, but probably won’t, is fact that we now have 6 storylines. Meereen, Braavos, Dorne, KL, Winterfell and the Wall. That’s right, only SIX. Compare that with High Sparrow, an episode that is one minute shorter but features an equal amount of storylines (the Wall, KL, Braavos, Tyrion, Sansa/Winterfell, Brienne). Yet nobody considered that episode rushed.

      Ok, so rationally it’s not about the number of storylines. Might it be because there’s too many “important scenes”? Many people here somehow assume that important equals really long. Which is obviously not the case, per se.

      For example, do you really expect to see Cersei’s WoS take like 10 minutes? It could take up to three minutes and you have a nicely paced scene that really does everything it needs to. Do you expect FTW to take 10 minutes? Rewatch half the battle sequence at Hardhome and think about how unreasonably long that would be.

      Let’s break down the 6 storylines, then, reducing the actual episode to 58 minutes:

      1. Meereen: We will likely get a short scene in the throne room with Tyrion, Jorah, Daario and Missandei (3 minutes). We will see Dany in the Dothraki Sea (obviously not in Dorne). Let’s say that scene takes 5 minutes (which is quite long but ok) you have 8 minutes in Meereen.
      2. Braavos: There’s two things that need to be done here. Arya has to kill Meryn Trant, and she has a scene with Jaqen in the Hall of Faces. Let’s be generous and give both those scenes 4 minutes (about as long, if not longer than the “slow” washing the bodies scenes). So that’s 8 minutes in Braavos as well.
      3. Dorne: This is quite a big mystery, but we cannot assume they’ll spend more than 10 minutes there (even if there’s some killing, which I doubt). We’ll get a Doran with the SS scene and a Jaime scene. Compare that with the length of the scenes from the last episode and that’s long enough. But ok, let’s be generous again and give Dorne 10 minutes.
      4. The Wall: There really isn’t that much ground to cover here. Basically, Jon has to send Sam away and FTW has to happen when Davos talks to him. Let’s give both those scenes four minutes. 8 minutes for the Wall.
      5. King’s Landing: Cersei has to talk to the High Sparrow, do the Walk, we’ll have the Varys scene, and I presume we’ll see a small scene between Margaery and Tommen and possibly a scene between Kevan and Cersei (maybe with Tommen) that transitions into the Varys scene. I see no reason for all of this to take more than 10 minutes.
      6. Winterfell: Kept this one for last because obviously we haven’t got a clue what will hapen here (it might even be a cliffhanger like in ADWD). Still, we’ve got 14 minutes remaining. Considering Daznak is 20 minutes, 14 minutes for whatever takes place here should be enough I’d say.

      I’m ready for some rational counter-arguments.

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    181. After thinking of the Sansa pic and reading one particular comment, did anyone else briefly think that the bow room she’s in could lead to another hunting expedition? I think someone mentioned Myranda being in the finale…

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    182. The morons criticising Lena’s body should stop a moment and think what their own bodies would look like on screen for fellow morons to criticise.

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    183. Dutch maester,

      I agree. The episode doesn’t feel like it will be too short to me.

      As for a more general comment about the seasons being too short: more content does not make for better quality. A common complaint among most fans is that the early episodes are too slow and talky. The solution is not to add scenes, which is more likely to dilute the quality of the show than anything else.

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    184. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Unlike everyone else I see responding, I concur. I wholeheartedly wish to see less tits and ass (and other, even more personal parts), but Cersei’s degradation would be sorely lacking without being completely naked and exposed, just as much as it would be without her shaven head. The finery must be stripped away.

      I try not to complain about what I felt was overtly gratuitous nudity in the first few seasons because I didn’t want to sound like a broken record for the thousands of others who made that complaint. But after the first two seasons, it’s likely every actress wanted a no-nudity clause, and for good reason!

      However, there are moments where nudity is absolutely not gratuitous, and this moment is one of the largest of those in the entire series. They need not show Cersei’s boobs, and I would really love not to see all of her, but they could tastefully give a shot of her backside and the crowd reactions to her. They could film the front showing only her face. I’m not saying they have to do that, but that would be tasteful and appropriate and completely in keeping with what this scene really demands.

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    185. SARS: could lead to another hunting expedition? I think someone mentioned Myranda being in the finale…

      Perhaps Myranda is going to be the huntee this time round ?

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    186. So,what kind of magic is Mel going to do with Shireen’s sacrifice,another shadow baby? Also,why didn’t she do it when they burned Mance? Infact they should have taken Mance with them and burned him instead of Shireen.

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    187. I’m not interested in see anything body shaming garbage posts here. Cut that shit out. Lena is gorgeous. Just stop.

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    188. Rygritte: That’s interesting considering a year ago she was asked in an interview about how she feels about possibly doing nudity in the future

      This exactly. She has been saying that for years. Her suddenly refusing this would be weird. In a later interview she says ‘of course i used a body double’.
      Seriously?! Body doubles should be banned. I can understand why you use a stunt double or a stand in but there is actually nothing dangerous about getting naked. If you dont want to do it (while its in your contract) you are in direct breach of your contract. Now in practice of course she can just do this cause there must be clauses and what not and they are not going to sue Lena Headey over this.
      But the scene will be ruined. It had to the most powerful and vulnerable scene for her and it sounded like she was prepared. Guess not.
      Which is odd since she did tons of nudity before in 300 as mentioned as well as Aberdeen. (full frontal actually). Clearly she wasnt shy in the past and she wasnt last year. So one can only wonder what changed.
      As for the tattoos… make up can cover all that no problem at all…
      This should cost her any chance on an emmy really if you ask me. Since its just bad acting. Now we havent seen it of course but if there is anything distracting of such an important scene its a body double.

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    189. Pernik,

      By the preview, it seems like she is using the weather breaking(shot of an icicle melting) as one of the rewards of the sacrifice.

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    190. Ginevra,

      I think Davos had a gut feeling.

      I don’t think he thought Stannis would actually do it but I am guessing he had that uneasy feeling, just like all of us did up until it actually happened.

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    191. I think the thought probably crossed Davos’s mind but I don’t think he really believed Stannis would go that far. He was probably more concerned about Shireen’s welfare in terms of the coming battle or another attack by Ramsay.

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    192. While I haven’t seen her say this in any interviews, I’m pretty sure Lena just didn’t want to do a nude scene

      in front of hundreds of spectators while being pelted with vegetables. That’s got to be different than doing a nude scene in a bedroom with only a dozen people filming.

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    193. I don’t think Dany will land in Dorne this season. However, since the name of the episode usually relates to several story lines, I expect Dany to unchain the other 2 dragons and let them out into the sunlight. That would be a form of “Mother’s Mercy.”

      Also, I think that the dragons will not be full grown when they reach Westeros – we don’t have enough episodes left to wait for that. Therefore, they will be vulnerable, as Drogon was in the Pit, until they are much bigger.

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    194. Sean C.,

      Hmmm. Davos was given a direct order by Stannis to leave (for a slightly illogical reason), then we had the stag gift scene. He initially resisted (which implies a sense of dark comprehension), If he didn’t know, or as Arthur put it, have a gut feeling, about it, then I’m very surprised. I thought Davos was preparing for the worst when he visited her before he left.

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    195. Rody,

      You’re not entitled to see her nude. Especially not just because she’s done nudity before.

      There is a huge difference between doing a nude scene on a closed set and feeling safe, and doing

      one on a public street with people throwing things at you. Her acting will be just as powerful whether or not the breasts you see belong to her or a body double’s. You are not entitled to see her body.

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    196. Moonlight,

      Don’t agree with the practice myself but can’t see it changing anytime soon. Does annoy me when people (quite rightly) go on about female genital mutilation but the male equivalent is widely accepted. But that’s a conversation for another place!

      Ginevra,

      I’m on the whole , quite forgiving of the amount of nudity in the show. It’s there to show how raw and base the society is and how women are generally seen as being sex objects and not much more.It’s not pretty but it’s the truth of the world. Again, I’m not sure why everyone is so bothered by nudity. Really is nothing that controversial about naked humans and the act of making love. There’s only been a couple of times I think they have used it a bit cheaply ( As lovely as Tyene’s bewbs are I thought that scene this season was quite corny). The Cersei scene coming up is probably the most justified use of nudity in the entire book/show so I hope it’s done convincingly.

      Also, anyone who doesn’t think Lena has a perfectly fine body has never been with nor been a real woman. Don’t think we need worry though as I can’t imagine her giving two f*cks about what a few gobshites on the internet think about her attractiveness.

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    197. Roose On The Loose,

      Thanks! I am getting increasingly tired of a certain group of people on here constantly shouting without thinking. So I did that for them. Thankfully I can now re-use my post in the coming days when people start shouting again 😛

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    198. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      I really hope It’s more than just melting the snow. They’re going to need more than nice weather to take Winterfell from the Boltons. Now I want Stannis to take the throne and save the kingdom. That way Shireen’s death would actually mean something. It would be tragic but meaningful,but this is GoT they’ll probably go for just tragic.

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    199. [Edited, because I see it’s already been addressed – Thanks, Sue.]

      Sansa in that picture is wearing a dress with a very high (Empire?) waist and a stylized Bolton symbol crossing her chest. That’s a style that can make even a very slender woman like Sophie look a little bit pregnant, because it creates the illusion of a curved upper belly. I don’t think she looks pregnant at all myself, but I guess I can see how someone might: certainly I’ve heard plenty of people cite exactly that illusion as their reason for not wearing high-waisted dresses.

      She’s hooded not only because it is supposed to be cold out, but also because it drives home the idea that Sansa is undercover, a Stark hiding in the Bolton fold. Notice also how heavy and stiff her Bolton clothes are, how devoid of color, and how they obscure the shape of her body — same idea. It’s using the costuming to reinforce her position in the story. I doubt it’s meant to be any sort of reference to LS.

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    200. Sue the Fury,

      He never said he was entitled to see her body. He said that in his opinion, the scene wouldn’t have the same weight if a double was used. I don’t agree with that personally, because as you say her acting is what is key, not the body itself. Nonetheless there was no entitlement in his post, and your endless moralizing is unnecessary. You are an administrator of the site, and as such a valued member of the community, but incessantly reprimanding people for having opinions you dislike is tiresome.

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    201. I don’t think Sansa looks pregnant in that picture, but considering it is weeks or perhaps even longer after she’s been married, there is a reasonable chance that she could be pregnant with a Bolton heir. Would Stannis come to that same conclusion and what would he do? Would he consider her a Stark or a Bolton?

      I could see Littlefinger’s plan backfiring. Stannis learns Bran and Rickon are alive and Stannis considers Sansa a Bolton and expendable. So, essentially Sansa’s show plot excursion ends up putting her back where she is in the books or

      her taking the role of Stoneheart perhaps without being actually dead, only in hiding with the Brotherhood with no friends left.

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    202. zen: um, you know that’s not the same Jaqen from harrenhal though, right? this is a completely different person. this “Jaqen” owes Arya nothing.

      It’s not totally clear, but in interviews, Tom Wlaschiha has answered questions indicating that this IS the same Jaqen as we met at Harrenhal.

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    203. SUE THE FURY

      Thank you so much for being diligent and shutting the more nasty and obnoxious stuff down fast. I remember last week when some jerk posted something about Karsi’s uterus freezing. I gasped — and then noted that you handled that one quickly and fair. kudos

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    204. Stacia,

      I remember reading an interview Sophie did a while ago (I don’t have the link, unfortunately) where she let it slip that Sansa is “living for her brothers.” That makes me think that she will tell someone about them (Brienne, Stannis, Davos, etc.) and send them out to find them.

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    205. Maybe I’m being overly optimistic here, but I hope we get our first good episode of the season in the finale. A little pay off for the clumsy writing, cliches, botched story lines (Dorne!) and all the character assassinations would be nice.

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    206. Mark: He never said he was entitled to see her body. He said that in his opinion, the scene wouldn’t have the same weight if a double was used. I don’t agree with that personally, because as you say her acting is what is key, not the body itself. Nonetheless there was no entitlement in his post, and your endless moralizing is unnecessary. You are an administrator of the site, and as such a valued member of the community, but incessantly reprimanding people for having opinions you dislike is tiresome.

      His posts read like entitlement, hence my choice of words. It’s funny- it sounds like you’re trying to control my opinions. Did I say that he wasn’t allowed to have an opinion or that I was going to ban him for it? No. I stated disagreement with what he posted. And that is my right as a member of this community. I had strong opinions about GoT/ASOIAF long before I modded WiC or co-founded this site.

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    207. Dutch maester,

      Winterfell : 15 mins (3 short scenes then a long sequence of 8 minutes merging Sansa, Theon, Brienne, Podrick, Stannis and The Boltons)
      King’s Landing : 13 mins (1 scene, 2 very quick ones and 2 scenes)
      Wall : 8 mins (2 scenes)
      Braavos : 8 mins (very short scene then 2 scenes)
      Dorne : 7 mins (2 scenes, this better be worth it)
      Meereen : 7 mins (2 scenes)

      That would be my ideal screentime for this episode, Winterfell, KL and The Wall are crucial to make this one a success. Meereen is the least important, it’s the only storyline that has reached its climax. It doesn’t need more than 7 minutes.

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    208. WorfWWorfington: Robert and his entourage probably did not move the fastest,

      No, they would have been traveling in those large wagons with lot of supplies. I think that they even had foot soldiers.

      A small number of horsemen able to get fresh steeds frequently (and LF certainly is not lacking for funds or connections) would make up the same distance in much, much less time.

      Sundancer: Also, I think that the dragons will not be full grown when they reach Westeros – we don’t have enough episodes left to wait for that. Therefore, they will be vulnerable, as Drogon was in the Pit, until they are much bigger.

      Well, remember that basically a year is passing per year on the show. Of course, we have no idea how long it takes dragons to grow, but these guys seem to be growing at a pretty impressive rate.

      As for Drogon in the pit, those spears were not getting past his scales too far. As hard as they were thrown, Daeny was still able to easily yank one out: and that suggests that it didn’t penetrate very far. (A spear embedded into muscle would be tough to get out, and also hurt the person/dragon like hell: and if it actually got into bone, well, damn.) So, that suggests that the armor Drogon has now is pretty good.

      Stacia: don’t think Sansa looks pregnant in that picture,

      Quite honestly, it looks like someone snuck up behind her and gave her one hell of a wedgie. Of course, I’m not sure you could give wedgies with garments from that era. Still, is there any chance that Arya snuck up there? 😉

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    209. Sue the Fury: It’s not totally clear, but in interviews, Tom Wlaschiha has answered questions indicating that this IS the same Jaqen as we met at Harrenhal.

      I always thought it was the same Jaqen, or atleast the same person wearing the Jaqen face anyway.

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    210. Roose On The Loose,

      I’ve always thought so too…

      That guy has taking such a special interest in Arya, he knows her story, her family’s history and her desire for revenge. Plus she saved his ass…

      IDK, I see their relationship as much deeper then just him being a professional mentor.

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    211. Young Griff:
      Maybe I’m being overly optimistic here, but I hope we get our first good episode of the season in the finale. A little pay off for the clumsy writing, cliches, botched story lines (Dorne!) and all the character assassinations would be nice.

      Lol honestly can’t tell if this is a serious post

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    212. Maceless Fan: Hahaha in that picture of Tyrion, Jorah, and Daario, they look like a rock band whose lead singer just quit the band.

      Reminds me of Cartman’s christian rock album cover Faith +1.

      LordDavos:

      Is she looking in that picture like she’s about to jump?

      Jump Myranda.

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    213. Satin: He’s no one~ Jaqen’s face is simply there to make Arya more comfortable, I suppose.

      It’s the same dude.

      jentario: Is it because all of the scenes are important?

      So many are too short.

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    214. My most excited thoughts are how Davos is going to confront Stannis.

      He loved that little girl! I know he is going to go back there after he finds out on the wall.

      Shit, he might even attack Stannis, be suicidal, at this point I don’t think he cares. I just can’t wait to see that drama unfold. I just hope Stannis lets him leave, take the black, and he goes about his story with Jon Snow.

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    215. Anybody know what Ellaria wants so much vengeance against so many people about? Oberyn lost in a fair fight to the mountain. Is she kinda nuts or am I missing something?

      And Doran mentioned four nieces. Is he counting the sandsnake girls as loose sort of “nieces”? And even if so that still leaves one unaccounted.

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    216. Hoyti Von Totiy: As i heard from the moment they start stripping her its an body double. No green screens …

      Makes you wonder why has the main cast stopped stripping (except for Mel …) Dany is in bed with Dario every episode and she keeps coverd up all the time… :/

      Your post is part of the reason.

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    217. Rody: Body doubles should be banned.If you dont want to do it (while its in your contract) you are in direct breach of your contract.

      I think it’s fucked up that any job requires nudity.

      Rody: This should cost her any chance on an emmy really if you ask me.

      I’m beginning to doubt she’ll be nominated (her prison scenes have been so short), but whoever came up with her looking sideways at Lancel TWICE deserves an Emmy.

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    218. Sue the Fury,

      It would be a bit odd if he was wearing a face UNDER the Jaqen face underneath the older black man’s face when he reveals himself at the HOBW. I mean, layering is good for winter and all, but pretty sure it’s the same Jaqen as well. 🙂

      I know that many people feel that

      Jaqen may be Syrio, my feeling is that if they are the same person, that it’s more likely that Syrio was Jaqen. Could Meryn have thrown ‘Syrio’ into the black cells instead of killing him, and from the black cells to the cage to Harrenhal was Jaqen? Then when he leaves Arya, he puts ON the other face we briefly see. It makes a lot of sense to me, and as Tom Wlaschiha seems to believe he is the same man, I don’t think it would be far off. This would also make Jaqen a bit more….lenient…with Arya killing Meryn. Thoughts?

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    219. MaesterMercy: Im wondering if anyone has any ideas on How does davos find out about shireen, & what will his reaction be?

      When Davos returns from the Wall, he will see Shireen’s burnt frozen body clutching the stag at the abandoned camp. He will weep, vomit, and curse before running into Brienne & Pod.

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    220. KG,

      They film from July – December. Presumably they write from January – April, Casting and pre-production from April – July, Post Production from December – May (last year it was June). Where do you see time for 6 more episodes in that schedule. They would literally never stop working for 8 years straight. I would love 16 episodes a year though..

      What’s more plausible for season 7 would be if HBO told them they had 90 minutes every Sunday night and they don’t have to fill up that whole time slot. I feel like they have a good amount of cut material.

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    221. BostonDave:
      Anybody know what Ellaria wants so much vengeance against so many people about? Oberyn lost in a fair fight to the mountain. Is she kinda nuts or am I missing something?

      And Doran mentioned four nieces. Is he counting the sandsnake girls as loose sort of “nieces”? And even if so that still leaves one unaccounted.

      Fair fight yes. But in modern day you would be angry at me for suing your ass regardless how “fair” the system is. Now imagine your loved one dying to that system, Sprinkle a little bit of We hate Lannisters mentality and boom! You Mad?

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    222. Off topic: we just lost one of the longstanding UnSullied from TWOP/Previously.tv
      He/she posted their resignation from the spitball wall.

      Shireen, Sansa rape, lack of development in KL etc, being a Stannis fan was his/her reason.

      RIP WhiteStumblr

      Though his/her ire towards the show “retconning” is petty. I dolt understand why Littlefinger’s Wardenness of the North comment pissed him/her off so much.

      As much as I am enjoying this season, I feel that two seasons to plot out Feast and Dance a bit more might have been a good idea. Or it might have been worse. We will never know.

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    223. Ryan:
      KG,

      They film from July – December. Presumably they write from January – April,Casting and pre-production from April – July, Post Production from December – May (last year it was June). Where do you see time for 6 more episodes in that schedule. They would literally never stop working for 8 years straight. I would love 16 episodes a year though..

      What’s more plausible for season 7 would be if HBO told them they had 90 minutes every Sunday night and they don’t have to fill up that whole time slot. I feel like they have a good amount of cut material.

      He wouldn’t get it though.
      Only some of us are chosen to understand the difference between picking up a book and reading about Arya dreaming of Nymeria vs popping in a disc and watching Bri and The Hound fight.

      One requires an imagination and the other a full team with limited money and time.

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    224. Rygritte,

      I have no idea. Maybe the kind of magic she’ s going to do requires death by fire? Or maybe she thought

      that Shireen is his Nyssa and that he must sacrifice her in order to become Azor Ahai

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    225. Joshua Atreides,

      I don’t blame him/her. But there’s no time for pity. Only forward we must go. We’re heading towards the horror and the darkness that never ends. Only for the strong

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    226. My Two penneth:

      intro scene in the far north with wights, Varamyr and some warging (into a bear would be cool). 3 mins
      Ice Thaws & Stannis gets ready to march. 2 mins
      Boltons prepare for siege. 2 mins
      Aftermath in Meereen. 3 mins
      Cersei and Kevan : 2 mins
      Davos somehow finds out about Shireen (poss’ at wall): 2 mins
      Theon and Sansa fuck things up for Boltons and Brienne gets involved leaving Boltons looking weak and battle results ambiguous. 5 mins
      Some Dorne hopefully ending in Myrcella attack. 5 mins
      Cersei and High Sparrow, confession: 2 mins
      T and S escape winterfell; 2 mins
      Arya Does Trent; 5 mins
      Jon receives pink letter, talks to Sam sends Sam away, some nights watch rumblings: 3 mins
      Davos (with Umbers maybe…) captures T and S. Sansa gets him to get Bran and Rickon. 4 mins
      Dorne with Doran’s Fire and Blood: 4 mins
      Arya goes blind: 4 mins
      Cersei Walk of Shame: 2 mins
      Kevan Pycelle and Varys: 4 mins
      Dany meets the Khalesar: 3 mins
      For the Watch: 5 mins

      Fun bit of epeculation…

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    227. Pernik, Maybe. She probably didn’t have any leeches, but she could have cut her arm over a fire. The amount of blood probably makes a difference since Mirri Maz needed a horse to put Khal in a coma. The method of giving blood to the fire is probably like a spell.

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    228. BostonDave: And Doran mentioned four nieces. Is he counting the sandsnake girls as loose sort of “nieces”?

      Umm…. what would be “tight sort” of nieces? Why are they “loose” sort of nieces? They are his brother’s daughters – so, just nieces, yeah? Not “nieces”.

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    229. KG,

      I was wondering what the hell was going on. I noticed the lack of an av, and the posts did not seem to be your voice, but I thought…who knows, maybe the KG with whom many of us are familiar drank a bottle of Maker’s Mark after the last episode and hadn’t stopped drinking. 😉

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    230. Pigeon,

      Is a girl ready? To give up her ears, her nose, her tongue? Her hopes and dreams, her loves and hates? All that makes a girl who she is? Forever?

      This is what the Faceless “Jaqen” says to Arya in the Hall of Faces. To me, this implies that you don’t keep your own face when you put on a new one: you become faceless. Kinda the whole point of the Faceless Men, innit? This quote almost implies that you have to give up your own face forever, but let’s hope that isn’t the case, especially if Arya changes faces next episode.

      If dude was the same dude who wore the Jaqen face before, Jaqen was only ever a mask, which I hope is obvious, and Jaqen’s personality was also a mask the whole time he interacted with Arya. So we never really met the man beneath the mask. This guy has donned Jaqen’s mask again, but he hasn’t taken on the original Jaqen’s personality.

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    231. Ginevra,

      OMG you are so right!

      Its like, they literally cut off your face, your skin, so only your muscle and bone remain, then they can fit you with one of those many faces they somehow keep fresh in that weird face vault.

      That is so cool! I am stupid, I never caught on to that but how you explain it makes perfect sense…

      Although the tongue part doesn’t make sense.

      So basically, Arya will become a faceless manikin, ready to assume the identity of whatever face is required to complete the task.

      That is really cool, because, like in her water dancing, water has no form and takes on the form of the container its put in.

      Arya is going to be such a badass, but she will also have to give up on her identity as Arya.

      Maybe when they cut off her face, it’ll be preserved in that room with the others, so someday she can wear it again?

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    232. KG,

      I thought that was you as well!

      I was going to say, that long post the other KG did about Outlander and how 10 episodes isn’t enough was the longest post I have ever seen you write.

      Your posts are usually very short.

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    233. KG:
      KG,

      I want to say that THAT KG is not THIS KG.

      Look for the fiery avatar – accept no substitutes!

      I thought you had gone full Linda on us. Never go full Linda

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    234. ctid,

      No, I’ve just been convinced of it for, well, pretty much ever since we heard about the mystery person during filming.

      KG

      Smart-mouthed women unite!!!

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    235. Nymeria Warrior Queen: drank a bottle of Maker’s Mark after the last episode and hadn’t stopped drinking.

      I myself haven’t stopped, it Kraken spiced dark rum though, and yes i have asked myself “why is the rum gone”

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    236. Ginevra,

      You know, now that you got me thinking…

      If Arya’s gets her face cut off to become a faceless man this Sunday.

      That will be so fucking awesome!

      Maybe that pic of Jaqen is him watching her leave that face vault with a young girls face she picked to wear?

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    237. I’m with Nymeria Warrior Queen that

      Varys is in Dorne. And as far as we know Littlefinger is headed north with the knights of the Vale to mop up what’s left of the armies at Winterfell. So I think Kevan and Pycelle are safe for now.

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    238. WorfWWorfington,

      You two: 1. LOOK AT A MAP OF WESTEROS. 2. NOTICE “WHITE HARBOR”? Not far SE of Winterfell. 3. REMEMBER THAT LITTLEFINGER HAS A SHIP? 4. A ship can sail from White Harbor to KL much faster than people and wagons can get there on the King’s Road.

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    239. Arthur,

      The tongue might represent the voice, although I would think that one’s voice has more to do with the throat than the tongue. Maybe both.

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    240. Pernik: I have no idea. Maybe the kind of magic she’ s going to do requires death by fire?

      It is an old, old tradition that the strength of magic or miracle or whatever is proportional to the magnitude of the sacrifice involved. It occurs in many mythologies, and it is something that you can assume that an audience knows. It’s sort of like never march an army in a blizzard or start a land war in southeast Asia.

      King Podrick: One requires an imagination

      Neither should require an imagination. Whether you are reading a book, watching a TV show, listening to music, admiring a painting, etc., you are paying someone else to imagine something for you. Moreover, you are paying them to imagine something that, taken together, says something more than the sum of the parts.

      So, if you are imagining much when you are reading, then you are either reading poorly written books or inserting stuff that the author didn’t intend to be there.

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    241. Arthur,

      Exactly. But hopefully her face will be put aside in the Hall of Faces, as you say, so that she could have it back if need be. Although I imagine Jaqen will be breaking the rules by letting her go back, if that happens. It sounds like you aren’t supposed to go back. Becoming No One, one with no face and no identity, sounds like the kind of deal you don’t renege on.

      A girl is not ready to become No One. But she is ready to become someone else.

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    242. Why do so many think this Jaqen is not the same from Season 2? A lot of people seem to misunderstand the concept of faceless men being “no one”, they hear Jaqen say “I am not Jaqen, I am no one” and think that means this is a totally new person. All faceless men consider themselves “no one”. This is the same faceless man from season 2 and the actor who plays Jaqen has even confirmed this.

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    243. Wimsey,

      Of course we’re inserting extra stuff that the author didn’t envision. But if the author leaves no room for interpretation and no scope for the imagination, then the book is very poorly written, indeed. (Says the Myers-Briggs N to the S.)

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    244. I took it to mean that Jaqen H’ghar was just an alias he used, or perhaps the name of the person that face originally belonged to. He even says “Jaqen H’ghar is dead” when he changes his face in the Season 2 finale.

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    245. Is anyone wondering what will happen with Melisandre and Davos this episode? We know Davos is headed there, we know he’ll find out about Shireen, we assume Mel will be heading that way extremely soon…there’s been no dialogue between the two, but some noticeable glances in “Kill the Boy” and “The Gift.” I wonder if there will be a confrontation at the Wall…

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    246. I always thought they used a knife to make you bleed and placed the face over your own face and the blood makes it stick and gives the false face color. If Arya’s face was physically flayed off in the books I would definitely remember

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    247. Ginevra,

      Fellow N here and I have to agree with you in that I prefer ambiguities that are open to interpretation. However I wouldn’t go so far as to say that this is how you define whether it is good or not!

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    248. Ginevra,

      Wow, you’re awesome!

      You got it totally figured out, all that he says to Arya makes sense now…

      Thanks for making this clear to me. I like your interpretation of her actually having her face cut off and it not just being 100% magic.

      It’s more brutal and GoT-like that way. And the sacrifice (losing your actual face) seems so much more meaningful.

      We can assume she would drink some kind of potion so it would be painless, but once the procedure is done, she wakes up with a skeletor type face (muscle and bone) and is ready to put on the skin of another face. That’s when the magic comes in of her training her muscles and stuff…

      IDK, I really like this idea, seems pretty horrific yet makes sense and gives Arya a totally new meaning to me.

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    249. I would be shocked if there’s any warging this episode. The show has not placed near the groundwork that the books have regarding warging.

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    250. We can assume she would drink some kind of potion so it would be painless, but once the procedure is done, she wakes up with a skeletor type face (muscle and bone) and is ready to put on the skin of another face. That’s when the magic comes in of her training her muscles and stuff…

      Ew – no. Remember when Jaquen changed his face just before he left her (season 2?) there was no cutting, no blood – it just happened in the blink of an eye. Think that will happen here too

      BTW to those of you drooling over the idea of seeing a naked lady on the show, and are upset because she has chosen, for what ever reason, not to, please grow up. They’ll be a body double who I suspect will do an excellent job looking just like her. Feel free to fantasize all you want at that point. Enjoy

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    251. I really hope they don’t end Jon’s story this season with FTW without including his resurrection. We know Kit Harington is coming back but unsullied do not so why choose to end on that note just to piss the audience off. They will really think he is dead and they would have every right to be pissed and want to quit watching. There is no reason to try and trick the audience into thinking Jon is dead just to shock and piss them off if they are just going to bring him back next season. It is an unnecessary cheap cliffhanger if he is going back in S6. They need to include his resurrection in the season finale.

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    252. Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy:
      WorfWWorfington,

      You two:1. LOOK AT A MAP OF WESTEROS. 2. NOTICE “WHITE HARBOR”? Not far SE of Winterfell. 3. REMEMBER THAT LITTLEFINGER HAS A SHIP? 4. A ship can sail from White Harbor to KL much faster than people and wagons can get there on the King’s Road.

      But much slower than Manderly’s raven, bearing a note informing Cersei of LF’s and Roose’s treason. (and kindly asking for his son back).

      The whole LF plot was ridiculous, honestly. He should have been flayed the moment he set foot in the north, and somehow surviving that, he should have had his head on a pike the moment he intered King’s Landing. That’s all water long past the bridge now, though.

      How would LF even start such a plot? Send Roose a raven saying “Hey, I got Sansa Stark. Would you like to marry her off to your bastard?”. The response he would get, of course, would be “yeah, sure. bring her on up”. The question would be whether that meant “so we can have a smashin’ good wedding party” (unlikely) or “so I can flay you, seize Sansa, and return her to Cersei and reap huge rewards” (virtually certain).

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    253. JaimenotJamie:
      I would be shocked if there’s any warging this episode.The show has not placed near the groundwork that the books have regarding warging.

      Which I find odd, because

      “Ghost….” and white warg eyes seems like a very simple way to end the season with both a cliffhanger yet explain why Kit would be filming next year.

      Coincidentally, that’s how that section of the books end. What are the odds?

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    254. JamesL,

      I don’t think they’ll resurrect him this season but they’ll leave his “death” open to interpretation like in the books. It would be unwise I think to trick the audience into thinking he’s actually dead but anticlimactic to resurrect him in the same episode.

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    255. ctid,

      In many ways, I see this as a personality preference rather than a characteristic of the book itself. Wimsey seems to prefer not using his imagination when reading. He might even consider it an affront to the purity of the source material to imagine and interpret. On the other hand, I thrive on making leaps and presumptions, reading between the lines, even though I’m often wrong. That’s okay with me, and I get that what I’m seeing isn’t necessarily there, but that makes the novels so much more interesting to me.

      I really didn’t like the Dance of the Dragons novella, and I doubt I would like the World of Ice and Fire – at least the writing, because they leave very little scope for the imagination. I would joke that they aren’t very good books, but what I really mean is that they aren’t very good books for me. Not my cuppa. I’m sure these books seem equally brilliant to those who have an affinity for details and facts, even in a world of fiction, as they well should.

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    256. Ginevra,

      The World of Ice and Fire is great.

      And it’s full of ambiguities too if you look for them. Plus there are cross references, alternative theories and allegories in there too.

      It’s deliberately written in such a way as to also have a kind of unreliable narrative in the form of the maester.

      A lot of people slated the sections that were obviously done by E and L too but they also add to the feel that it’s written by several people with different opinions and versions of events.

      Just be careful to avoid all the sections on the muppet Tulleys, they’re shit!

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    257. So, it’s just now hitting me that we very well may see

      Jon Snow’s death. And I mean death death. Mel will be leagues away, and it certainly seems that Ollie has it in for Jon… maybe FTW is postponed to next season? Would be a hell of a cliffhanger for episode 1.

      Anyways, I’m sure the ep will be great; I just have a few worries atm…

      – Sansa; I doubt that she will kill Ramsay with that corkscrew, but damn do I want her to. It would be a real shame if Sansa went to WF with the intent of getting revenge for her family and left before she got to do anything. Maybe she’ll open the gates for Stannis or even LF? Maybe she won’t even escape this episode at all? A cliffhanger would suck, but if we get Sansa plotting against the Boltons next season, then I’m all for it.

      – Dorne. It really seems that it’s building to something good, and I hope it is. I would love a Fire&Blood speech, and Varys stepping out of the shadows. I’m afraid that we will get the Sand Snakes attacking Myrcella (again) though…

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    258. This season has to be the weakest of all, It was just dull and slow, it deviated a whole load from the books, and not to forget the whole load of poorly written fanfiction (Dorne, LF plot, Stannis burning Shireen), hope the next season is better

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    259. JamesL,

      Somehow I agree. This season has been full of bleak and sad moments and some Unsullied may find too hard to take

      Jon’s apparent death

      . I was pissed with George because he did it in the book. It felt like a cheap ending to Jon’s ADWD arc, with such a cliffhanger. I really hope the show won’t make the same mistake and will show us at least a clear hint of a resolution.

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    260. Jugg:
      This season has to be the weakest of all, It was just dull and slow, it deviated a whole load from the books, and not to forget the whole load of poorly written fanfiction (Dorne, LF plot, Stannis burning Shireen), hope the next season is better

      Season 2 was way weaker, IMHO, and I would argue that Season 3 was weaker too (The only three really great episodes were “And Now His Watch Is Ended”, “Kissed By Fire” and “The Rains of Castamere”). So far, I would say S4>S1>S5>S3>S2.

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    261. There’s no way Jon is dead for good. The book left things too open to interpretation and George himself hinted that he either survives or comes back somehow.

      Mel could still see “daggers in the dark” in her flames and begin a journey back to Castle Black (though I doubt she’ll arrive there in the finale) since I’m pretty sure she’s gonna figure out Jon is (probably) the real Azor Ahai and abandon Stannis, especially if Stannis fails or dies at Winterfell.

      If they really wanted to throw a curveball at us, the Watch could kill Jon only for him to open blue eyes shortly thereafter as the final scene of the season. I saw someone suggest that in the comments of a different article and thought it was kinda brilliant. It would certainly send a shockwave through the audience (and the internet). I almost want that to happen just to see the reactions.

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    262. There can’t be any ressurection in ep 10.Who would assist to it?Mel?She will be at Winterfell.Plus Jon still has stuff to do in the episode,FTW will be at the end.Probably it will be the same as in the book.

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    263. On Jon

      I like Chad Brick’s idea of “Ghost…” and white warg eyes. But then I’d like an overhead shot of Ghost standing over Jon lying prone to finish.

      The critics seem to be generally lashing the show for being too dark and shock prone. It’s going to get more that way before we get the hintsof spring. Maybe it’s also a consequence of squashing two books and even some book six stuff into one season – there’s a lot of events to get in

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    264. Where are all these Sansa Stoneheart comments coming from? It doesn’t seem to make sense at all. And there wont be enough time in the episode. We are more likely to see LS at the end.

      Also – I doubt we’ll see the Pink Letter. There isn’t enough time for Sansa to escape and then Ramsay to send a letter and then Jon to receive it etc. The NW have enough reason to go all Brutus on him.

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    265. Random thoughts:

      1. Season preferences: s1=s4>s3>s5>s2. S1 had fewer shock events and certainly had less budget. But it set the stage and structure so thoroughly that until “The End” of the final episode, we won’t realize how much the entire series owes to the season 1 foundation. While I accept the reasoning behind most of the shocks and changes this year, Season 5 has lost GoT a lot of supporters. That’s why I rank it so low. What saved it was the big budget necessary to create Hardhome and Daznak’s Pit.

      2. Whether Arya goes through the blindness punishment or not, I believe she’ll leave the Faceless men, possibly hopping a ride home with the Westeros-bound Daenerys bandwagon. But Jaqen is no idiot–he’ll probably demand one last assassination. Naturally, it will be a horrific one that goes tragically against Arya’s nature and wishes. But why oh why have D&D deprived her of her wolf dreams? She had them, she earned them. Bran, Jon, Dany have their magic–where is Arya’s?

      3. I think Sansa’s expression in the photo shows her surprise and relief at seeing Brienne show up. And for what it’s worth, mention of Sansa’s possible pregnancy makes me ill. The very idea of bringing Ramsey II, much less the grandchild of Roose into the world is an anathema. Their house should be flayed out of existence, no demon seed left behind. Isn’t abortion legal in the case of rape, incest, and Ramsey? And Sansa as Lady S? If anyone should be Lady S, it’s vengeful little Arya. Too bad she’s in Essos. I’d rather see Lady S herself, of course.

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    266. Off topic, but I just came back from San Andreas (which was ‘meh’ on a scale of 1-10), but Art Parkinson was great and I really hope Rickon returns in S6!

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    267. I don’t know from where this ideea comes that season 5 lost Got allot of supporters.Ratings at first airing where as good as season 4(top watched so far) but considering the totals where better!Add to this HBO Now and the other ways of watching it and you will find this season has more viewers than previous years.On top of that the piracy was insane this year.When all numbers will be official it will be more than obvious.I really don’t understand what some of you guys are talking about.

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    268. LOL, all this drama over Lena nudity? My guess is it’s in and at least some of it is her own. Why?

      She’s done plenty of nude scenes before

      Anyhow, we still haven’t seen Varamyr??

      Also, that are those brooches on Sansa? They don’t look Bolton, Littlefingerish or Stark??

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    269. For me S4=S5 > S3=S1 > S2.
      If this season didn’t have some Dorne’s scenes and the Sansa’s rape, it would have been the best so far.

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    270. Brock Landers,

      I think the third wedding was meant to be between Dany and Hizdahr and that’s what was being referred to… at the time. Obviously it was either cut or not included at all so they just left things at the “proposal.”

      I suppose it’s possible they could dedicate a moment or two to an “I do” scene and short post-wedding ceremony for Trystane and Myrcella before sending them on their way. But given the amount of time we have in the finale and all of the ground they need to cover, another wedding would honestly just be a stumbling block.

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    271. My one hope is that Ollie the Archer doesn’t say “for the watch!” but instead bellows “Jon Snow you have failed this Castle!”

      I’ll see myself out….

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    272. There was a good article by Sarah Hughes on the Guardian about the good and bad of season 5. Dorne was a bit unfortunate but they can learn from it for next season. Personally I think with Arya they should have mixed up the indoors and outdoors scenes more. It was such a great outdoors set. They could have had a bit more outdoors intelligence gathering work rather than body washing. But adapting two massive books was always going to be a hard ask

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    273. Rat Kook,

      D&D said that the last scene of ep. 10 will be from the books, so that Winterfell/Stannis thing won’t be the last. Maybe something with Varys (though they did not say that it will be the LAST scene from the books). My bet would be either FTW or Dany surrounded by “strangers” (hopefully not by Dornish). To me those would be the cliffhangers worthy of a GoT season finale.

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    274. Eleanor,

      He promised in the book and didn’t tell. He spilled the beans to Jon right off in the show – that’s why he went to Craster’s on the raid, remember?

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    275. Dazor Ahai,

      That could be possible! What if Roose escapes the fall of Winterfell to Stannis and runs into Lady Stoneheart at Moat Cailin? He could hang like the Miller he executed years ago during Ramsay’s conception. Seeing Catelyn would bring him legitimate fear! For once the mindfucker would be mindfucked.

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    276. What I don’t understand in Season 5 is : if Jaqen S2 and Jaqen S5 are the same guy, then why do they have different speeches about becoming a Faceless Man ?

      Jaqen S5 asks Arya : Is a girl ready? To give up her ears, her nose, her tongue? Her hopes and dreams, her loves and hates? All that makes a girl who she is? Forever?, implying that if she’s becoming faceless, she must renounce to her personal vendetta as well.
      Quite different from what Jaqen had previously told her in Season 2 : If you would learn, you must come with me. […] A girl has many names on her lips. Joffrey. Cersei. Tywin Lannister. Ilyn Payne. The Hound. Names to offer up to the Red God. She could offer them all. One by one. implying that if she’s becoming faceless, she can kill the ones who made her, Arya Stark, suffer.

      That’s why I’m really surprised that Tom Wlaschiha said it is the same Jaqen ; I thought all along they were two different characters and I don’t understand the logic here. I would have expected for the finale that Jaqen disapproves of Arya’s vendetta against Meryn Trant, but now I’m not sure, maybe he will support her.

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    277. BeautyBrinne,

      Every time I play GOT for the family they complain about the lighting! Its too dark they cant seee a thing! Season 1 didnt have this issue.
      Rome never had this issue!

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    278. chamush,

      It’s just a bit of light revisionism. Happens when you don’t write all 7 seasons at once. Note Myrcella going to the youngest son and Theon’s Uncles. Little changes that they can get away with. All good.

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    279. chamush,

      I’m not shoked at the change between Red God and Many-Faced God. For me, the Red God could just be one of the identities of the Many-Faced God, as they both seem to serve death, and Jaqen S2 may have used the name “Red God” as part of his cover identity.

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    280. chamush,

      Not inconsistency. The Red God is Rhllor Lord of Light, one of the many faces of the Many Faced God. The Lord of Light is one of the statues in the House of Black and White.

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    281. King Podrick,

      Fuck off. I’m not a purist at all. I love the show and the books.

      I just hate how rushed the whole Tyrion escapes scene was last season, and now that this episode is so much shorter, and arguably has a ton more to get through, I’m worried about the quality!

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    282. King Podrick: Boston

      Terrible analogy. So it would seem Ellaria is just simply fucking nuts? Blaming any and everyone for Oberyn’s death when it was actually on him.

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    283. Kay: Umm…. what would be “tight sort” of nieces? Why are they “loose” sort of nieces? They are his brother’s daughters – so, just nieces, yeah? Not “nieces”.

      C’mon, everybody has the aunt who isn’t really an aunt, uncle that really isn’t any uncle. Sometimes we say “brother,sister” when theres really no real blood relationship. I could swear Doran said to Ellaria that she was mother to four of his nieces. But I also thought the sandsnake girls all had different mothers. Ellaria was mother to one of them, not all of them. Even if you’re using “mother” in the informal sense that she is close to or raised all three then in that case we’re still missing one. Doran said four, we’ve only seen three.

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    284. jentario:
      chamush,

      Not inconsistency. The Red God is Rhllor Lord of Light, one of the many faces of the Many Faced God. The Lord of Light is one of the statues in the House of Black and White.

      besides, Jaqen told Arya that she took away one death from the Red God ( R’hllor) by saving him from the fire.
      So they were in debt with the Red God and then he told her that she could name 3 person to pay this debt to the Red God.

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    285. Joshua Atreides,

      I get the same vibe when I heard that for the first time on Arrow, I rolled my eyes and said to myself, “This isn’t The Renaissance era.”

      In my mind I have created an alternate Shireen ending. Davos comes across her pyre, finds the stag and begins weeping. Suddenly the charred husk of her body cracks and falls apart and she stands there good as new, with no Greyscale. Hey, it would be a good way to sorta give a shout out to glamour Mance.