Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 8 Preview: Hardhome

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“Why should the people trust a queen who can’t keep her promises?”-Daenerys Targaryen 

From the HBO Game of Thrones official synopsis, “Arya makes progress in her training. Sansa confronts an old friend. Cersei struggles. Jon travels.”

Check out the official photos here!

Hardhome is written by showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss and directed by Miguel Sapochnik, the same team that handled the excellent The Gift.  Following on from that, looks like Sansa, Cersei and Daenerys won’t be taking things lying down this week!

Geoffery:  This episode is going to be very Night’s Watch focused and I cannot wait, there’s has been my favourite storyline this season.  Great to have the Lord of Bones back!

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    1. LMAO so much for Arya getting tons of time in the episodes she’s in. BRAN’D. I guess the little shit is getting 3 minutes tops.

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    2. otterbox,

      Showing a single second of her face this episode would be a spoiler, considering where we saw her last. Also, what are you talking about? Arya’s still one of the characters with most screen-time this season, and she’s in a good portion of each episode she appears in.

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    3. Aaand the Arya doesn’t get any screen time posts are underway already.

      Anyway Im really excited for Hardhome. The Northern storylines have been the highlights of the season for me so I cant wait to see things hit the fan in this episode. Anyone know the run time for this one? I have loved the lengthy episodes this season in comparison to last year when a lot of episodes felt so short.

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    4. otterbox:
      Mormont,

      Sophie was just being gracious. Everyone knows the Arya storyline is shit and has been since season 2 and book 2.

      “Everyone knows” and “I think” are not the same thing.

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    5. I can’t any longer for this! The army of the dead…Undead giants also maybe?..White walkers…Nights king…hmm…My body is ready.

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    6. Get hype! Sansa must have agency! Don’t whitewash Ramsay! May R’hlorr have mercy on us all! Save Shireen! Where do whores go? Not now Mace! “Fewer.” “I took a vow.” “Where are ma dragons??” Khaleeeesi! “I am no one.” “Egg, I dreamed that I was old!” Hodor.

      Seriously, Hardhome. Should be damn scared-straight sobering.

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    7. Can’t wait. They’ve definitely hyped up Hardholme enough. These last three episodes are going to be killer.

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    8. Goochbot,

      The show itself has not hyped Hardhome at all, which is an interesting choice. It’s more in interviews and promotional material, and even then only uber-fans such as ourselves have connected the dots. I don’t think most people know what “Hardhome” even is.

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    9. Luka Nieto:
      I’m not sure if you’re saying you believe Hardhome is gonna be great or awful.

      I’m all in, LN. You had a doubt? 🙂 This should be an “expansion of the vernacular” episode!

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    10. Does anyone have the link for abyss gifs?? I had it bookmarked but I guess I lost it
      I would really like to see the hardhome ones again since the wait for this episode is killing me.

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    11. *Im fresh out of Arya hate so this is a bit off topic*

      can someone guide me to a condensed version of why howland reed could be the HS? I would rather not spend my next few hours sifting through the garbage heap of crackpot theories at FoIaF if this is indeed an absurd fan theory but I would greatly appreciate a cliffnote version if its plausible and I missed the clues. Thanks

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    12. I’m a little nervous for Hardhome. It’s not an event that happens in the book–couldn’t they have spent more time in Dorne, or with Cersei’s imprisonment/Marge’s trial…you know, actual book events?

      *sigh*

      I’m just not a fan of the Wall. Too many bros.

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    13. Meh, Hardhome will probably be nice if they go for the creepy vibe. Certainly not what I’m most looking forward to though, I want some juicy Daenerys – Tyrion interaction 🙂

      Reavers Wrath:
      *Im fresh out of Arya hate so this is a bit off topic*

      Just forget it pall, one of the absolute worst fantheories out there. Put his one right next to Mance=Rhaegar, Daario=Euron, Lemongate, Raegon, Jojenpaste and the other crackpots.

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    14. Mister Stoneheart,

      If you want more of the book stuff, I recommend getting them out and having a read. apparently, they’re excellent.

      The books are the books, and the show is the show. I think that if

      white walkers show up (which is pretty much expected), then it is a good deviation. People need to know they are a threat.

      I wish George had included this, rather than as much of the Iron Islands/Quentyn/Griff

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    15. Mister Stoneheart,

      Hardhome is an amalgamation of many things in the books. It’s not invented or filler at all; it’s the whole point of Jon’s story arc this season and in ADWD. It is absolutely necessary to show it!

      Jon’s plan with Tormund in the show is an amalgamation of three different missions from ADWD: Jon first sent Val as an envoy North of the wall to find the wildlings after the battle, who were led by Tormund himself, as he was not captured during the battle. Later, when Tormund came back and told Jon about the many Free Folk at Hardhome, the Lord Commander sent many of the Night’s Watch ships and men to the ruined settlement to save them. However, wights surrounded the area and they were left stranded, so Jon and Tormund planned to go themselves and save the black brothers and wildlings both —however, this mission was interrupted by the Pink Letter and “For the Watch.” The TV series picked the Hardhome context of the latter two failed missions and ascribed it to the successful first mission to send a wildling envoy North and bring thousands of the Free Folk through the Wall.

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    16. Arya makes progress in her training.

      Cat of the Canal, and Arya pulls off her first assassination (merchant and the poisoned coin?)

      Sansa confronts an old friend.

      Theon, obviously. I wonder if this is the episode where Theon hears his name called out in the wierwood? I’m hoping they at least keep that part, especially since we seemingly lost the Frey Pies.

      Cersei struggles.

      Time to introduce Ser Robert Strong?

      Jon travels.

      Hardhome is going to be awesome (and will probably take up about half of the episode). I’m looking forward to this.

      Not mentioned: Tyrion & Dany. My guess is that Dany forces Jorah back into the gladiator pits while retaining Tyrion’s service on her small council.

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    17. dragonbringer,

      There were some reports circulating a few months ago that the Hardhome sequence is going to be 18 minutes long (just the battle scenes took nearly a month to film).

      It is not specified whether or not that time just refers to the battle or if it includes the prelude to the battle, in which Jon and Tormund attempt to negotiate with Rattleshirt, Loboda, Birgitte Hjort Sørensen’s character, and the rest of the wildling leaders. I hope that it doesn’t, and that we get a decently long negotiation scene followed by 18 minutes of pure action. Then again, as Luka Nieto notes below, action scenes tend to pack a lot of punch into relatively little actual screentime. The Battle of Castle Black didn’t start in earnest until close to the halfway mark of The Watchers on the Wall.

      We do also have to check in with Braavos, King’s Landing, Winterfell, Meereen, and the Wall as well, but this is a 60 minute episode. After the deftness with which the show covered all of the storylines packed into The Gift, I’m confident that Benioff, Weiss, and Miguel Sapochnik can handle this episode with equal or superior skill.

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    18. Josh L.,
      dragonbringer,

      I may be imagining things, but I’m pretty sure the Hardhome scene was said to be 18 minutes or so. Although that was mentioned in the context of filming an action sequence, an 18 minute relentless action sequence would be incredibly overkill (very tricky to keep the tension up), so I’m pretty sure it must refer to the whole Hardhome set-piece. In that case, 15 to 20 minutes is quite a lot, certainly an above-average chunk of the episode for a single storyline.

      Has any single storyline this season had 20 minutes in an episode?

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    19. wizardeyes:
      The best Arya stuff was when she was with the Hound in season 3 & 4

      Although S3/S4 was fun, the best Arya stuff is forthcoming, imho.

      Bye-bye, Trant! Syrio gives his regards. And just wait until Arya comes back to Westeros! Have no mercy, oh child of stoneheart! Visions of Nymeria!

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    20. Jared,

      thank you

      i remember hearing something about it but i dont where i heard i think maybe in the Day of life promo

      from the promo it looks like jon spends night with them before the fighting with others so i think they can have near 20 mins there
      i think they will definitely deliver this one …

      i am more looking forward to how they handle the daznak in comparison with Hardhome ..considering it took only 12 days to shoot
      and that episode 9 is only 53 mins longer i do wonder how much screentime it will get when compared to Hardhome

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    21. wizardeyes,

      Agreed. I’ve always loved the character,but she and the Hound’s frenemy act was next level. I’m a little disappointed how little there’s been with her this season, because I’ve liked what I’ve seen. I think the moment where she doesn’t bury Needle is one of my season favorites, and Maisie just killed that moment.

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    22. Luka Nieto,

      no but i hope Daznak having the same amount of screen time near 18 to 20 mins…since jon and arya is appearing in that episode and that episode is even shorter when compared to episode 8 and 10 with only 53 mins of running time

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    23. I have this feeling that pairing Tyrion with Dany is going to make her even less likable. He will point out all her flaws and I think she will still be rigid and self righteous. This season has really skimmed over Tyrion’s decent to darkness from ADWD. He will probably be back to his old self this episode and be the only voice of reason in Mereen.

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    24. Wimsey,

      LOL if only they had cast Howland reed along with euron next season ..we could have put and end to this one

      speaking of him getting cast doesn anyone believe he will appear in the show say even at season 7

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    25. God bless the Arya trolls… not only does she have the worst storyline, but they want to see more of it in every episode. Seriously, if you’re gonna troll, at least try to come up with something that halfway makes sense!

      Next three episodes are going to be action-packed and meaty. Love it!

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    26. Hodor’s Bastard: Although S3/S4 was fun, the best Arya stuff is forthcoming, imho.

      It contributed a lot to the story, too: it was yet another take on “love-hate” relationships.

      But I agree: the best is yet to come. Personally, I’m rooting for Arya, Ninja Queen of Winterfell. I still hold out hope for the lines:

      Person X: “Arya, you killed the Zombie Sansa!!!”
      Arya: “Sansa was a zombie?”

      (10 Internet points for naming that plagiarism….)

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    27. Wimsey: Person X: “Arya, you killed the Zombie Sansa!!!”
      Arya: “Sansa was a zombie?”

      Bart, Homer, Flanders

      From back in the days when the Simpsons was still good. LOL

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    28. Simeon,

      That contradiction irks me as well: for these people, there is simultaneously too little Arya material (which is plainly not true, hence trolling, trying —and succeding, to my shame— to get a rise out of us), yet also, somehow, there is too much of Arya (which is how they feel and they are entitled to it, of course.)

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    29. dragonbringer,

      Having not read Winter, I have zero idea. I do, however, think that Howland will wind up in the books, and quite possibly in Season 6 or 7: but not disguised as Pope Brownshirt I. So much depends on how we learn about Jon’s ancestry, really.

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    30. Wimsey,

      It may not be as funny, but honestly we could just call him Pope Francis. Seriously, it’s eerie how much Bergoglio and Pryce look alike. Almost as much as Ratzinger and Emperor Palpatine.

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    31. Aisling: I have this feeling that pairing Tyrion with Dany is going to make her even less likable.

      Well, given that immensely likable still has room to spare, there should not be a problem!

      Seriously, “rigid?” Have you been watching the show? The bigger issue might be: does she bend too much?

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    32. Luka Nieto,

      heh, except that the HS is a moral absolutist, much like the prior pope and the Emperor! This current pope seems to be cut from completely different cloth.

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    33. Wimsey,

      Yeah. I actually like Francis! Relatively, of course. Then again, I’d say there is a similarity: Francis and the High Sparrow are both populists, men of the people, the difference being that Francis’ people are calling for Catholic reform and modernisation while the High Sparrow’s people… well, they’re in the Middle Ages, we’re all watching the show; no need to explain how idiotic they are.

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    34. And talking of the High Sparrow she says, seamlessly segueing into an entirely unrelated topic, something struck me when he was questioning Loras which I don’t remember people mentioning on here. Apologies if this has already been gone over or was so blindingly obvious to others they just didn’t think it was worth raising.

      So…when HS is asking Loras about Renly he says L wore R’s armour at Blackwater. Lots of people saw this as battles tend to be quite public affairs. Cersei definitely did and Lancel could well have, so plenty of potential witnesses for HS to get his info from. But he also says something along the lines of when Renly died you were distraught and refused to leave his body even though you were in real danger (from Stannis’s fleet’s impending arrival). This could be artistic licence or a continuity error but IIRC the only person we know saw this, apart from Margery, was Littlefinger. Do we think he got Olyvar to pass on this extra bit of damning evidence to stick the boot in, or am I reading too much into this? (No way I think he would dirty his hands telling HS himself, but I’m not a book reader so I only have showLF to go on.) Any thoughts?

      EDIT: Howland Reed is Euron confirmed. Get hype! (I have no idea who he is but I’m just copying Hodor’s Bastard’s idea and mashing together popular GoT phrases. Sorry, can’t be serious for long before facetiousness takes over, especially at the end of the working week) ;O) I’ll shut up now, promise! :O)

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    35. I am most looking forward to the Tyrion-Daenerys talk! ALL beyond-books stuff. 😀
      Also the Hardhome stuff and the new characters there. I am a little “Wall-ed” out, so this is most welcome that it’s not the Wall; this will be excellent!

      Mister Stoneheart: I’m just not a fan of the Wall. Too many bros.

      I hear ya! The good bros at the Wall are gone, most of those who remain are scum. But this episode will not be at the Wall. It will be in a new place! Excitement! Adventure! Sea-voyage! WWs! Dragonglass! Wildings!

      Aisling: He will point out all her flaws and I think she will still be rigid and self righteous.

      Please let Daenerys get back to being “rigid and self righteous” like when she threw Ducksauce into the vault, or when she went fire and blood on Astapor, or sent the Yunkai envoy on his way. She was far more enjoyable then. If Tyrion can help her get back to being more “rigid and self righteous” like that, hurrah! 😉

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    36. Why should the people trust a queen who can’t keep her promises

      YES! thank you D&D for giving us more moments of self-doubt in Daenerys. These are always the best moments for her – even though the whole thing with Mossador was super-tragic I loved them as a Dany fan because she clearly was conflicted and full of doubt in herself. It’s important for any ruler to keep up a healthy amount of doubt in their actions, and despite what haters think, she often does – especially in the book.

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    37. I really couldn’t give two thimbles of fuck about Jon, the NW or this Hardhome crap. I’m just here for Cersei and Daenerys/Tyrion now.

      Do you think we’ll get

      Cersei being forced to cut her hair off this episode? I imagine this is when we’ll be introduced to the Unella character.

      I can’t wait to see Lena’s acting in these next few episodes. It’ll be like nothing we’ve ever seen before.

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    38. Renly’s Peach,
      DON’T read this if you didn’t see the leaked photos from that scene which were posted on here over the summer and don’t want to know the answer

      Yes, she has her hair hacked off, there is some left but it’s a horrible mess and looks like the proverbial lawnmower attack (her hair not her). I thought it looked absolutely gorgeous in the scene where she was arrested and wondered if they’d done that on purpose for contrast?

      EDIT: Sorry just realised that might not be what you were asking. If it was just a “is it this episode question?”, I’d guess it’ll happen in public just before you know what rather than in advance, but that is a total guess, as you can probably tell.

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    39. Lulu’s Mum,

      That Loras-HS-Olyvar sequence confused you as well? Well, you’re not alone. You’d think one of the battle heroes of KL/Blackwater would get a pass regarding his personal life. It’s weak to focus on his sexuality but oh well..in the books, it was Marg’s private activities that Cersei exploited, not Loras. But, as you know, the focus is on Cersei’s delusions of grandeur and ramifications, so the other supporting characters are warped for the show accordingly. LF seems like he has the upper hand as the puppetmaster, but I hope he has bit off more than he can chew… We’ll see…should be fun!

      (Fridays are good days for steam-blowing…)

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    40. TFT:
      Arya’s storyline is fine. If you can’t enjoy it, try to enjoy Maisie’s amazing acting work.

      Her acting is absolutely terrible imho.

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    41. Hodor’s Bastard,
      I no longer have anyone at work to discuss the show with so get to use everyone on here as my sounding board/reference library instead. I just have so many stupid comments to make about things in general and have to remind myself not to do it on here as it’s not the same as blah blah blahing at people in an actual conversation and them being able to forget what I said in a microsecond. Sorry folks! :O(

      For me personally LF is one of THE biggest villains in the show. I live in hope he achieves the position he’s always dreamed of, then has absolutely everything snatched away and is left to literally rot in a dungeon somewhere where he has the rest of his life to suffer the consequences of his actions. Or I riot! ;O)

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    42. Hodor’s Bastard: You’d think one of the battle heroes of KL/Blackwater would get a pass regarding his personal life.

      Not from this High Sparrow. He’s being played as quite the fanatical moral absolutist. In many ways, he’s like Stannis: the good does not absolve the bad anymore than the bad undoes the good.

      Moreover, the HS is being shown as frankly rejecting the morality of the nobility. Margaery lied on behalf of her brother. All good noblemen/women would do the same because there are few (if any) greater dishonors than betraying your house: and if you commit a lesser dishonor for the greater honor, then so be it. However, the HS is having none of that, either.

      Something that I think goes unappreciated is that the HS might very well wind up becoming one of the more important antagonists in the stories. He has the potential to do a lot of damage to the overall greater good by insisting that it be done “right” or not at all. The cold, dead expression on Pryce’s face as they led Cersei away really was quite chilling.

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    43. Lulu’s Mum: For me personally LF is one of THE biggest villains in the show.

      He certainly is a mystery! And I’m certain that there is a major bullet to be fired regarding the LF gun before all is done and said.

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    44. Luka Nieto,

      In a sense, Francis is bringing Buddhism (or at least Quakerism) to the Catholic Church. The HS is the equivalent of bringing Southern Baptism to the Catholic Church! Yes, it is populist: but it also is more judgmental and intolerant than the “corrupt” version preceding it. Of course, the Catholic Church went through various bouts of this during the Middle Ages: it was sort of a corruption -> reform -> corruption cycle, with the Reformation being an extreme outcome of a reform cycle. (But, then you are in Spain, no? So, you know this better than do I, I suspect!)

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    45. Never understood why someone watches something complains about the same thing every episode, continues to watch it, and even when the episode doesn’t even feature the hated character/storyline, you still find a way to complain about it. We get it, we got it a long time ago. Stop trolling. If it really bothers you, go write D&D a letter, stop writing to us because there’s nothing we can do. And we’re tired of seeing it. It serves no purpose and doesn’t add to, or drive the conversation forward

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    46. Lulu’s Mum:
      Hodor’s Bastard,
      For me personally LF is one of THE biggest villains in the show. I live in hope he achieves the position he’s always dreamed of, then has absolutely everything snatched away and is left to literally rot in a dungeon somewhere where he has the rest of his life to suffer the consequences of his actions. Or I riot! ;O)

      You make me want to shout (yea, yea, yea!)

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    47. Wimsey: The cold, dead expression on Pryce’s face as they led Cersei away really was quite chilling.

      I loved it when the camera lingered for a few seconds on him during that scene! Pryce was quite a find for the show. HS an absolutist? Perhaps. Is he Cersei’s greatest mistake? I have a feeling that even the HS has a vulnerable side, which I am sure the QoT/LF will explore, discover and exploit! If LF indeed got the HS to conjure up the story about Lancel in near term confession (rather than long term, which I would rather believe) then something is indeed amiss with the HS.

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    48. Aisling:
      I have this feeling that pairing Tyrion with Dany is going to make her even less likable. He will point out all her flaws and I think she will still be rigid and self righteous. This season has really skimmed over Tyrion’s decent to darkness from ADWD. He will probably be back to his old self this episode and be the only voice of reason in Mereen.

      I think you’re right, but I think it will be a good thing, so long as we see him getting through that rigidity and having an impact on Dany at some point. I think the general idea here is that Dany’s good qualities + Tyrion’s good qualities = a great choice for the ruler of Westeros. Now how do we actually get there?

      And Tyrion’s “dark days” are a pretty good example, IMO, of something that can be safely cut for the sake of making the story work better for TV. A whole book full of extraneous moping and self-loathing was nicely replaced with a good puke-and-rally and a quick, “hey man, remember how you’ve been drinking since episode 10 of last season?” by Varys.

      Speaking of Varys… come on D&D, you’re starting to worry me… this guy is too important to get Blackfished, right? Right? Anybody…?

      Hodor’s Bastard: Get hype! Sansa must have agency! Don’t whitewash Ramsay! May R’hlorr have mercy on us all! Save Shireen! Where do whores go? Not now Mace! “Fewer.” “I took a vow.” “Where are ma dragons??” Khaleeeesi! “I am no one.” “Egg, I dreamed that I was old!” Hodor.

      YEAH!!! I don’t know why you’re saying all this stuff BUT IT’S MAKING ME EXCITED!!!

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    49. It seems that Wilding Chieftainess (?) in this episode played by Birgitte H Sorensen is named Karsi. From @GoTKingsLanding

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    50. Wimsey:

      Person X: “Arya, you killed the Zombie Sansa!!!”
      Arya: “Sansa was a zombie?”

      That actually explains an awful lot, really! 😀

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    51. Tyrion is going to put up with her madness for a season and eventually switch over to Team Snow at some point. Tyrion and Jon meeting and getting along with on purpose for the end of the story.

      That is my prediction anyways. There is no spoiler Since nobody knows.

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    52. Hodor’s Bastard: I loved it when the camera lingered for a few seconds on him during that scene! Pryce was quite a find for the show. HS an absolutist? Perhaps. Is he Cersei’s greatest mistake? I have a feeling that even the HS has a vulnerable side, which I am sure the QoT/LF will explore, discover and exploit!If LF indeed got the HS to conjure up the story about Lancel in near term confession (rather than long term, which I would rather believe) then something is indeed amiss with the HS.

      Pryce is a top tier actor. Doesn’t get much better then him for a role like that.

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    53. The Bastard: Tyrion is going to put up with her madness for a season and eventually switch over to Team Snow at some point. Tyrion and Jon meeting and getting along with on purpose for the end of the story.

      Maybe there was some foreshadowing going on in those early S1 episodes when Tyrion and Jon converse? Quite possible. I believe Dany and Tyrion’s camaraderie will be tested often and will often be testy, if it continues at all. But in the near term, I wonder if Tyrion is fond of the wine in Meereen? Lannisters need their wine.

      Regardless, keep your eyes on the cripples, bastards and broken things. They may save us yet.

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    54. otterbox:
      Mormont,

      Sophie was just being gracious. Everyone knows the Arya storyline is shit and has been since season 2 and book 2.

      Not only are you an out-and-out liar, otterbox, but you’re also an outlier. As you’ll see from the massive amounts of data that one fan gathered, an overwhelming majority of GoT fans love Arya. At least 75% of fans rated her character as 7, 8, and 9 out of 9. And everything below a 4 is an outlier.

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    55. Wimsey:
      dragonbringer,

      Having not read Winter, I have zero idea.I do, however, think that Howland will wind up in the books, and quite possibly in Season 6 or 7: but not disguised as Pope Brownshirt I.So much depends on how we learn about Jon’s ancestry, really.

      Didn’t GRRM state at some point we are going to meet him in the books? I can’t wait, Tower of Joy lone survivor 🙂

      Pryce is perfect in the role, as usual. So glad they got a really high quality actor to make the most of the part, he’s knocking it out of the park. All the non-spoiled viewers I talked to this week found his turn on Cersei their favorite moment of the episode and completely surprising to them, Bravo JP and Lena 🙂

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    56. Jesus Christ, people.keep complaining about Arya!!!! What about us Jaime fans?? If there are any!! His screentime this season has been absolutely ridiculous!! With the amount of promotion Dorne received, I would have thought that his season 5 story will be important. But he barely has had any time.

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    57. Wimsey,
      Loved that moment! Pryce had the perfect no mercy/rigid fanatic look. Hitler-esque!

      The Bastard,
      I agree! Something will happen that will get Tyrion thinking about the bastard kid he found so engaging when he visited the Wall. Perhaps a reveal of Jon’s parentage or rumors of his leadership in the NW.

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    58. KeeperOfOaths:
      Jesus Christ, people.keep complaining about Arya!!!! What about us Jaime fans?? If there are any!! His screentime this season has been absolutely ridiculous!! With the amount of promotion Dorne received, I would have thought that his season 5 story will be important. But he barely has had any time.

      Yes thank you. I think the Jaime fans look great by comparison.
      I am still hoping he will have one meaty scene before leaving Dorne. This season has been slim pickings, at exactly the time when he is changing a lot during the books. Oh well! But we keep from trolling like those Arya-mad fools 😉

      Wondering if we will ever see him reject Cersei’s “I love you I love you I love you” message.. throw us a bone at least, D&D!

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    59. Jaime’s girl: Yes thank you. I think the Jaime fans look great by comparison.
      I am still hoping he will have one meaty scene before leaving Dorne. This season has been slim pickings, at exactly the time when he is changing a lot during the books. Oh well! But we keep from trolling like those Arya-mad fools

      I have no idea what will happen. I mean, he is supposed to be on a secret mission to Dorne, so how would they do.. That??
      I was hoping for 2 Doran-Jaime scenes. But I think Jaime won’t be in episode 8 either. Everything has been such a tease. By episode 4 things were looking good and then in episode 5 no Jaime, in episode 6 the ridiculous bad-done Sandsnakes fight and in episode 7, after teasing us that Jaime tries to reconnect with family, not even 1 minute of a scene with Myrcella. Episode 8 he is probably out. And who knows about episode 10? So disappointing!!!

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    60. I wonder if Pycelle is celebrating Cerceis’s downfall? She was very mean to him.

      I also hope we see Varys put an end to him! That would at least explain his absence in Mereen. Another thought in the same vein: why isn’t he there? Why was he willing to go with Tyrion but now doesn’t go? Was he going to give him as a gift as well? Like Jorah? As in, here is your enemy my grace?

      Is the spoiler code not working? Or I can’t see it working?

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    61. Luka Nieto:

      It may not be as funny, but honestly we could just call him Pope Francis. Seriously, it’s eerie how much Bergoglio and Pryce look alike. Almost as much as Ratzinger and Emperor Palpatine.

      So much win here.

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    62. Sean C.:
      KeeperOfOaths,

      Jaime is certainly the character who has been the most shortchanged if one is comparing screentime to their chapter count in the relevant books.

      Exactly. Quite difficult to understand. They created a lot of things for him to do in season 4, when he had Zero book material and now when with the book.material he had, even moved to Dorne he would have had so much material, close to nothing. He could have had such great interactions with a lit of characters in Dorne but 7 episodes in.. nothing.

      And people complain about arya who does in the show exactly what she does in the books? How many episodes exactly we could watch her wash corpses? After seeing her 3 seasons wandering the Riverlands??

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    63. Sean C.:

      Jaime is certainly the character who has been the most shortchanged if one is comparing screentime to their chapter count in the relevant books.

      I think Brienne might be worse off.

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    64. Lulu’s Mum:

      I no longer have anyone at work to discuss the show with so get to use everyone on here as my sounding board/reference library instead. I just have so many stupid comments to make about things in general and have to remind myself not to do it on here as it’s not the same as blah blah blahing at people in an actual conversation and them being able to forget what I said in a microsecond. Sorry folks! :O(

      Aw, that’s unnecessary, LuLu’s Mom. Tell ya what, I’ll cancel that flaming bag of poo designated for your doorstep. Need to free up my poo delivery schedule anyway.

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    65. KeeperOfOaths,

      Yup. Really surprising to me that so many have complained so much about Arya. What is she right now, fifth in screentime for season 5? And what we’ve got has (imo) been stellar, so no complaints here.

      Agreed on Jaime too. I think Dorne would have really benefited from more, well, everything. More Sand Snakes, more Jaime, and especially more Doran.
      I think Jaime’s AFFC sort of redemption arc is mostly on track though. He got a big headstart last season, sending Brienne away, making the deal with Tywin to save Tyrion, and freeing Tyrion. Now we have him trying to be a proper father for the first time in his life. (And we got him looking wistfully at Tarth!)
      It seems like they’re stalling/postponing his

      falling out with Cersei though,

      for whatever reason. Next season hopefully? If Jaime were to return to KL with Myrcella and maybe even some

      Sand Snakes

      in tow, maybe we get it in a face to face situation?

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    66. Demon Monkey,

      It may be that Varys was simply going to drop Tyrion off before moving on to the next step of the plan. With Tyrion now gone, there’s no reason for him to carry on to Meereen.

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    67. KeeperOfOaths,

      Exactly. All she does is sweep and clean dead bodies. Fuck that storyline. I want to see more interesting things. Unless she’s making herself useful by killing someone, she’s useless.

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    68. otterbox,

      Yeah, right, just the same boring thing, over and over again. Useless, plain useless. Who could possibly think people would want to read … errr, I mean see, the same tired old shtick time after time after time after time. Eh?

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    69. Demon Monkey: Not the HS, the real pope.

      That was my tag for the High Sparrow: he’s head of the Faith, but also very much into “populist dictatorship.” I think perhaps that viewers and (especially) readers underestimate what a threat he could be simply because he seems so “mundane”: religious despots have been dime-a-dozen throughout our histories. However, he offers the potential to be a real spanner in the works, particularly when the lead characters have to deal with the White Walkers, R’hllor, etc.

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    70. So excited for these last three episodes.

      Less excited that there are… anti-Arya trolls? Really?

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    71. Josh L.: Theon, obviously. I wonder if this is the episode where Theon hears his name called out in the wierwood? I’m hoping they at least keep that part, especially since we seemingly lost the Frey Pies.

      Since the infamous rape did not snap Theon out of his despair, I think it almost has to be the wierwood that does. In some sense, I think part of the reason Theon cannot change is that he believes he deserves the punishment he is receiving. If he comes to believe that Bran and/or Rickon is alive, I can imaging him finally breaking out of it. It will be interesting to see how D&D balance the need for Sansa to show her “agency” and rescue herself, and the need for Theon to have his transformative moment. They somehow need to rescue each other for the character arcs to be on track

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    72. The Bastard:
      Tyrion is going to put up with her madness for a season and eventually switch over to Team Snow at some point. Tyrion and Jon meeting and getting along with on purpose for the end of the story.

      That is my prediction anyways. There is no spoiler Since nobody knows.

      I don’t think Tyrion will stay with Dany, either. It’s likely he comes to think she is a little too much of her father’s daughter. I wonder if Varys is sincere in his support of her in the show, or if he has an ace up his sleeve. (Yes, I’ve read the books.)

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    73. KeeperOfOaths:
      Jesus Christ, people.keep complaining about Arya!!!! What about us Jaime fans?? If there are any!! His screentime this season has been absolutely ridiculous!! With the amount of promotion Dorne received, I would have thought that his season 5 story will be important. But he barely has had any time.

      I’ve missed him, too. 😉

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    74. Ooh people have been talking to me while I was out this evening. Hello all *waves*. Sorry wasn’t ignoring you I am old school and can only get the internet on a computer, none of this doing it on phones malarkey!

      Hodor’s Bastard
      Awww thanks :O) I’ll just limit myself to saying that if the giant killer penguins I am hoping for are going to put in an appearance, this is the episode, as they are what I like to imagine Jon was pulling his “oh fuuuuuuuuck!” face at in the Day in the Life programme. I think the percentage chance is about zero point several billion zeros followed by a one, but a girl can dream!

      Arya Havin’ a larf?
      *sings, well shouts* Say that you love me. Say that you need me. Say that you want me. Actually Lulu was a cat but as they do treat us humans as slaves, he (yes he, long story) was probably miaowing something like that to me anyway. Actually Ramsay might make a good cat, worship me and keep me entertained or I’ll flay you with my Freddy Kruger claws. Hmmmm.

      Cumsprite
      Awww you remembered! I thought we had something special, no one had ever promised me my own flaming bag of poo before. But then the weeks passed, my doormat remained intact and my hopes sank. I thought someone else had offended you even more grievously than I had and all hope was lost. But now I’m happy again. By all means use my bag for a more deserving cause. There are a few people in GoT who could certainly do with one, perhaps we could work out the most deserving target? Although there is some serious competition and deliveries to the North are currently being hampered by snow (which might put the flames out).

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    75. otterbox:
      KeeperOfOaths,

      Exactly. All she does is sweep and clean dead bodies. Fuck that storyline. I want to see more interesting things. Unless she’s making herself useful by killing someone, she’s useless.

      So, your ideal plan for her storyline in the show was to have her enter the HoBaW early this season and and then not be included until maybe next season? At that point she would then magically reemerge somewhere in Westeros as a wicked assassin. Viewers would only have an assumption that she was trained and sent out to do her work. You don’t think that would be a worse idea? If that would have happened you don’t think everyone would be pissed to not be able to see any of her training or her other book events in Braavos?

      She’s a show and book fan favorite despite your feelings and they can’t just brush her under the carpet for many episodes in a row. Yes, they probably could have done more in her last few appearances this season to make them more interesting, but all characters have had blah periods over the course of the series. I have a feeling things will be a bit more exciting for her to finish out the season and next. I’m most interested in her storyline at the end of the fifth book, including the teaser chapter, so I’m excited to see more on the show.

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    76. Lulu’s Mum: There are a few people in GoT who could certainly do with one, perhaps we could work out the most deserving target?

      The Northerners might well give a sincere “thank you” during the height of winter!

      Aisling: It’s likely he comes to think she is a little too much of her father’s daughter.

      Why would Tyrion think that? Daeny shows zero signs of insanity. To the contrary, both show and books have made it clear that Daeny is her elder brother’s sister rather than her father’s daughter (or younger brother’s sister). In many ways, she is an even more principled person than is Tyrion. The issue might be, will Daeny curb Tyrion’s desire for revenge? (Fortunately, they have toned that down on the show: the hatred for Cersei made sense, but some of the rest seemed out-of-character.)

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    77. Wimsey,
      I think they got more than their fare share of pyromania with the biggest fire the North had ever seen, although now Mel’s around the burn potential forecast goes up quite a bit. Random thought I’ve had watching the show no 1,237: semi-serious question, in the books does she use any kind of accelerant, magical or otherwise, for her sacrifices? I do remember thinking Mance’s pyre took hold rather quickly for somewhere so cold and presumably damp, as there was snow on the ground at the time. I mean it’s not like I’m watching a work of fiction that requires total suspension of disbelief, including abandoning chunks of the laws of physics, or anything like that ;O)

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    78. Lulu’s Mum,

      I assume Mel naturally runs hot with R’hllor’s spirit coursing through her. She does have a set of mysterious potions and oils that she keeps on hand (and in her robes) for special occasions. She may even employ some sleight-of-hand trickery at times as well with said potions. A witness claimed she burned a flying eagle (warged Orell) that was spying on Stannis’s approaching army, but that could have been a flaming arrow from an archer and the story got embellished.

      But I would say she is pretty comfortable around fire, in an exothermic combustion sense and a passionate sense. Although the results of her passionate fire may have severe mortal ramifications to others in the vicinity. 🙂

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    79. LordDavos,

      Right now Jon is just some bastard on the Wall/LC of the NW and Sansa is Ned Starks daughter(one of the Usurpers).Sansa destiny is ultimately tied up to LF’s downfall.I wouldn’t be so sure Jon/Tyrion next meeting will be that pleasant(in the books and in the show).

      Right now they’re totally irrelevant to Dany or wil be in near future(S6)not saying until the end,because they’ll play their part in it.I can imagine Season 6 to be largely focused on her journey+invasion of Westeros.I remember one interview and GRRM said exactly that TWOW will be a lot about Dany’s journey to Westeros.Since they don’t have enough time to drag it out,like in the books.They’ll speed up her storyline so season 6 in the show.Another season or even half of the season in Meereen will be boring to many people.They need to finish it as quickly as they can.After spending some time in Westeros yeah Jon’s could be bring up by Tyrion.If Jon’s resurrected somehow,this will be a big news spreaded all over Westeros.Jon could potentially lead widlings and North in general etc.Tyrion will be intrigued and so is Dany.Not to mention his parentage will be brought up at some point.

      I’m really interest who’s gonan reveal his parentage.

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    80. I havent been that excited for an episode since The Watchers on the Wall ! And even then… I think I’m more pumped up for Hardhome !

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    81. Still cant get over how amazing that last shot is. LOTR scale right there.

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    82. Arkash,

      And Daznak’s Pit?

      I’m pretty excited for both of them.These two events should be among the very best we’ve every seen on GoT.Ice and Fire in action.

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    83. Rat Kook: Not people. Just one guy, on a mission.

      Arya´s storyline after she leaves the riverlands is pure filler.

      GRRM should write short stories about her adventures in Essos like Dunk and Egg not include that crap in the books.

      I mean seriously what has she done to deserve to become a FM?
      And even the existance of these super-killers takes away from the power projection of Dany´s dragons. I mean if you have these superkillers who can kill anyone why do you need dragons?

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    84. Euron,

      It’s a shot of Hardhome. One one side you’ve got the cliffs, on the other the sea. In the settlement itself there are thousands and thousands of wildlings, and you can see a few boats (Jon and company) approaching. I’m sure there are details that we are missing, considering the shitty quality.

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    85. Veltigar:
      Meh, Hardhome will probably be nice if they go for the creepy vibe. Certainly not what I’m most looking forward to though, I want some juicy Daenerys – Tyrion interaction

      Just forget it pall, one of the absolute worst fantheories out there. Put his one right next to Mance=Rhaegar, Daario=Euron, Lemongate, Raegon, Jojenpaste and the other crackpots.

      I agree…I’m looking forward to

      Hardhome because I’m hoping to see the WW after a long interval in the show and the last time was so, so creepy (Night’s King, anyone?).

      I’m also really looking forward to “juicy Tyrion-Danerys interaction”, even them just meeting in the last episode gave me chills. First time this season has “felt” like the real GOT show I’ve loved. Arya, WF, Dorne, sure, why not.

      Less enthused about KL. As I’ve said before, so far in the show Cersei’s arc has been so by-the-numbers and predictable except for the excellent Jonathan Pryce acting it’s bored me.

      /off-topic and out of all the tinfoil hat theories Jojenpaste is one of my favorites lol…it’s just so freakin’ creeeeeeepy. Nothing to do with whether or not it could actually be true, I just love the wackiness of it. Isn’t that half the fun of the tinfoil theories? /off-topic

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    86. IceQueenCometh,

      Why thank you. I’ve been writing the “In the books” sections for each episode this season at the Game of Thrones wiki, which catalogs what’s being adapted (not the differences; that’s a separate page.) That may be why I had this issue so clearly laid out.

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    87. Annie Wilkes: Arya´s storyline after she leaves the riverlands is pure filler.

      GRRM should write short stories about her adventures in Essos like Dunk and Egg not include that crap in the books.

      Arya’s Crows/Dragons chapters very effectively communicated the “kill the girl/boy, let the woman/man be born” story of Crows and Dragons. It was not gratuitous world-building or empty plot-for-the-sake-of-plot or any other sort of filler that we get in those books. Indeed, it was lean and effective (5 chapters total, I think) rather than the unnecessarily long set of chapters for the other protagonists. In other words, it really is antithetical to “filler”!

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    88. Hodor’s Bastard: A witness claimed she burned a flying eagle (warged Orell) that was spying on Stannis’s approaching army, but that could have been a flaming arrow from an archer and the story got embellished.

      How would a flaming arrow burn up an eagle? If the flame even was still going when it got there, then it would get extinguished immediately in the bird, and never generate the heat necessary to set feathers on fire. Indeed, how could an arrow even get to an eagle would be flying?

      Magic is much the simpler and (in this universe) more realistic answer!

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    89. Wimsey: Indeed, how could an arrow even get to an eagle would be flying?

      Well, it works in my head. 🙂 But yeah…magic! Spontaneous combustion is a fairly powerful spell, I would imagine. I’m surprised Mel doesn’t use it more often. Who needs frickin’ shadow babies if she can just point and burn?

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    90. My prediction: I expect a retreat. Many will die and just Jon and a small number make it back to the wall. Maybe see them struggle in transit before they get there in episode 9.

      and Jon has to kill undead Uncle Benjen.

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    91. Shipp,

      LOL! If anyone thinks Arya is being cut from the show, they should head over to HBO Now and go to their login page. Who’s the ONE person featured on it? Arya.

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    92. Well Arya is my number 1 and Jaime my number 2 so this season has been fairly lucklustre for me.

      Good points though are more Stannis, Maisie out acting everyone else in half the episodes and Alfie Allen showing up those around him for the mediocre hacks they are.

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    93. Josh,

      “It is an easy thing for a prince to call the spears, but in the end the children pay the price. For their sake, the wise prince will wage no war without good cause, nor any war he cannot hope to win. I am not blind, nor deaf. I know that you all believe me weak, frightened, feeble. Your father knew me better. Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him. I was the grass. Pleasant, complaisant, sweet-smelling, swaying with every breeze. Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes. Your father and I worked more closely than you know… but now he is gone. The question is, can I trust his daughters to serve me in his place?”

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    94. I have no idea how James Hibbard at Entertainment Weekly seemingly has access to the new shows while other media outlets don’t, but he teases that tonights battle would “rank among the show’s most spectacular moments”. That said, I wonder why HBO isn’t emphasizing the WW more. The trailers make it look like “Oh, just another episode with Jon arguing with the Wildlings”. Hope casual viewers don’t think its just another episode where Jon argues with the Wildlings and decide to take a pass. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/31/game-thrones-hardhome

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