Game of Thrones Season 5 Episode 5 – Kill the Boy – Open Chat

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Game of Thrones Season 5, Episode 5: “Kill the Boy”

Writers: Bryan Cogman
Director: Jeremy Podeswa
Runtime: 57 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence
Synopsis: Dany makes a difficult decision in Meereen. Jon recruits the help of an unexpected ally. Brienne searches for Sansa. Theon remains under Ramsay’s control.
Video Preview: Episode 5 Preview on Youtube

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    1. Really looking forward to this one. Cant wait for some more Stannis action. So happy he has been in all 5 episodes so far this season. Also Tyrion and Jorah should be crazy this episode. Bring it on!

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    2. I predict that this episode will be the best of the season so far and will be very popular with fans (being a Bryan Cogman episode).

      Looking forward to Maester Aemon, Shireen, Stannis, Tyrion & Jorah and hopefully some good development in the Winterfell storyline.

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    3. Looks like Rhaegal and Viserion are gonna eat some Masters.

      I’m still really sad that Barristan is dead, I’m sure seeing him dead is gonna make even sader.
      Really excited for Jorah’s and Tyrion’s trip in

      Valyria and STONEMEEEEN

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    4. Stonemen + The Ruins of Valyria + Tyrion Catches his First Glimpse of a Dragon = I. Can’t. Wait!!!

      *doing a little happy dance*

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    5. I have the faintest hope that this episode will finally have Aemon point out that Robert and Stannis are part-Targaryen and thus he is their relative.

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    6. ace,

      Oh cool, he’s in the episode? A part of me wondered if this episode might skip King’s Landing altogether. I don’t want to see less of it, but I always wonder about that sort of thing. Meereen wasn’t in episode 3, for instance.

      Maybe it’s Arya who’ll sit out again, to give other places enough screen time. If she’s not in it, would that make this the first time she’s been gone for two consecutive episodes?

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    7. Open chat already?! Season 5 Episode 5 in 0 days, 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 35 seconds, y’all!

      57 mintues?! Oh, right…6 mintues of

      spoilers.

      Are

      Shireen & Stanni

      confirmed for this episode? I guess the nudity will be in

      Lancel’s

      scene? I’m still hoping Drogon will circle back &

      fry the fuck out of the stoned dudes,

      giving us the shot of the S5 poster.

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    8. James,

      I don’t think his tweet necessarily means he is in the episode. I took the “nightmares” to be a reference to the

      Stone Men

      . I’m sure he has an idea of what is going to appear in the episode. Especially with D&D mentioning that this season would feature some horror scenes.

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    9. Hoping for some good Tyrion dialogue this week. I feel like our vjsits with him this season have been reminders of his existence more than anything.

      This has got to be one of the vaguest episide summaries ever. Besides the bit about Jon, everything else could be a description of almost any episode this season.

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    10. ace,

      So, if KL is in this episode, it just proves that you can not judge whether a character or storyline will appear based solely on the synopsis and preview.

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    11. So this week we will have

      a shot of Drogon + Rhaegal or Viseryon (or both ?) in the crypts. Add to that the scenes from episodes 1 and 2, and then Daznak Pit in a few weeks, and this season is by far the most dragony season ever !

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    12. So can we expect this to be the episode when

      Aemon is fried like a pickle? Or will it be next episode? He doesn’t seem to be too ill in that preview shot.

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    13. zod,

      Was the

      flamey dragon face in the trailer different from the flamey dragon face in Ep1? I couldn’t tell if it was just a re-use for symbolism, or a new shot….

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    14. Adult language/content, check
      Violence, check
      Nudity, check

      were in for a good’n

      enjoy the episode fellow members of the watch.

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    15. My first post here ! (although I read everything avidly)

      I’m not sure if Littlefinger will have had time to reach KL for tonight’s episode (he could have, wouldn’t be the first time he travels very quickly), but I look forward to his meeting with Cersei.

      Have any of you been able to read LF’s message (the camera made a close-up)? All I could see were a few words: … further …. my establishment.

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    16. wizardeyes, Oh, right!

      I think Myranda looks out the window & watches Sansa wander around. She gives Ramsey lip & Ramsey gives her the fArya treatment. Sansa looks up and sees this.

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    17. Pigeon,

      *ep5 trailer spoiler, not a book spoiler*

      I don’t think that was in episode one. Episode one was the shot where we’re behind Dany, she’s sort of on the camera-right, and then both dragons suddenly appear in the pitch black on the left, one in the foreground and one in the background (and then I wet myself, but you didn’t need to know that). You may be thinking of the original trailer for the entire season, in which the portrait shot is used. Now we finally get to see it five episodes in.

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    18. Lundy,

      It appears as though it hasn’t worked the first time you click ‘Post Comment’. But when you refresh the whole page and look again, the spoiler boxes should be there.

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    19. Lundy,

      The gods are watching….

      But yes…I hope Tyrion falls into the (river?) as a result of a Stone Man attack…and Jorah pulls him out. We’ll see where it goes (regarding greyscale vectors) from there. Maybe a rather large turtle will appear as well. In any case, in the span of a minute (from Drogon flyover to StoneMen to possible river/greyscale stuff) we should get a lot with that scene.

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    20. It’s weird to think that five episodes into this season and Stannis has already appeared in more episodes than he did last season.

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    21. James,

      Yes, whoops, I meant the season trailer. Thank you guys! 🙂

      Honestly, re-reading the books and rewatching the seasons, then seeing the first 4 S5 episodes and related reviews/trailers/about the episodes, I’m surprised I remember my own damn name.

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    22. COG-MAN!

      COG-MAN!

      COG-MAN!

      This will be the test now, as it’s the first episode without any leaks.

      It will be the deciding factor if the leaks really affected the numbers as some have speculated (correctly in my opinion).

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    23. Belacel:

      Helloooo new poster *waves*. The only other bit I could make out was “be of further”, possibly preceded by “to”, in the top line which I took to mean was probably part of a pretend pleasantry like if I can be of any further assistance please let me know ‘cos I am your BFF and in no way trying to undermine you, honest! The rest of it is out of focus, although the very last word looks like it ends with “ish” which I’m guessing is his signature?

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    24. From the beginning of the trailer for this episode, it looks like

      Daeneyrs goes with Daario back down to where Viserion and Rhaegal are being kept. I hope it’s to let them out!

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    25. Finally, a really, truly new episode! 🙂 😉

      Hopefully all THREE dragons sighted this episode! Yes! Drogon, Valyria, stone men, Tyrion, Jorah, Rhaegal and/or Viserion, Daenerys at Barristan’s funeral. Then we probably get Aemon’s funeral and Jon. Quite Targaryen-centric episode. 🙂 Some King’s Landing too? Hope Brienne’s story gets purposeful and moving this episode, since Stannis is on the move this episode too. And of course, nastiness and bleakness in the usual place…

      Nymeria Warrior Queen
      I hope so too. They need to get out!

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    26. Is everybody ready for the next episode of Game of Thrones fan fiction?

      I am!

      Not loving this season, thus far.

      (I’ve also never been a hater and like what D&D are doing, but something seems off.)

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    27. mau,

      Hi Mau. A thought occurred to me (possibly an extremely stupid one) about the apparent shortfall in numbers of Stannis’s men from the previous thread. I have no clue what happens in the books at this point, as will become very clear if my idea is about 6,000 miles wide of the mark. Tormund (T) and Jon (J) have a good relationship despite being on opposing sides and the small but significant things J has done for the wildlings since their defeat, like putting Mance out of his misery despite the risk that brought to himself, will count for something in T’s mind. If T realises Stannis is off to attack the people who killed J’s family and took their home, and doesn’t really have enough men to be sure of success, he might try and persuade some of the wildlings to help Stannis in order to avenge J? On a scale of 1 to have you completely lost your mind woman, do you think there’s any chance of something along those lines happening? Or will people sing songs of my spectacularly wide of the mark museing for years to come. *sings* Oh Lulu’s Mum, she not only didn’t have clue but let the whole world know about it….. Mmmm lyrics need a bit of work I think! 🙂

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    28. Hollyoak,

      The story has shifted. AFFC “felt off” when I first read it too. I won’t claim that all of the storylines have been executed well so far, but I don’t get the sense that it would be any different had the show included most of the plots from the last 2 books.

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    29. Yung Wolf:
      Tyrion Pimpslap,

      Ha, I knew you would reply to that. Too easy.

      Also, I think you just inadvertently admitted to being one of those D&D circlejerkers.

      Considering that D&D have made a good show with great reviews and ratings and GRMM a couple of sequels that have less than perfect ratings and initial dissapointment, eh, I’d say it’s the other way around. The only circlejerkers in the GoT community are the people jerking to the lore George created, spoiling events from books, and damning D & D to hell for cutting a character from chapter 17. Take a look at any youtube video to find them whinging and thumbing up their posts and jerking each other off.

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    30. I put this together a few weeks ago and this is pretty much my last chance to post a link to it before it starts to become obsolete (some of it already is based on the Episode 5 preview and leaks). It’s loaded with spoilers from AFFC, ADWD, preview chapters, leaks from the filming of Season 5 and fan theories, so don’t go if you don’t want to know.

      Here’s the link:

      http://hinesd.blogspot.com/2015/04/game-of-thrones-season-5-speculation-33.html

      I’m not a professional writer, so I hope that anyone that reads it finds it interesting. Mods, if posting this is inappropriate, feel free to delete it.

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    31. Lulu’s Mum,

      I’m gonna go with about a 7 or 8 on your lost your mind scale, but worse odd have come in on this show, so who knows you may be onto something, and we’ll all have to start drinking Dornish wine in the morning.

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    32. Lulu’s Mum,

      Just turned the TV on and there’s some awards thingy. Literally the second I looked at it Arya presented an award to Orell (sp?). Well Maisie Williams and Mackenzie Crook anyway. I would say it was a sign but with such a huge cast sometimes it’s easier to spot the person who hasn’t been in the show. God I’m in a chatty mood today, I should shut up and leave everyone else to it 🙁 I won’t see the episode until tomorrow so enjoy all who get it tonight and boo a Bolton for me! 🙂

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    33. Yung Wolf:
      moe the nonbeliever,

      Who says I don’t dislike both sides equally at this point? I criticize GRRM every chance I get, too.

      Therefore you’re more informed for hating both? I don’t like militant Atheism or fundamentalist Christianity, but that doesn’t magically make fundamentalist Christianity less retarded and somehow make arguments for teaching science in schools more retarded now does it? One is still more preferable.

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    34. Do you think Aemon will hear about Daenerys before he…. goes where old people go… to “Oldtown” (lol) ?

      The picture in the article made me think about that, what can Sam be reading to Aemon?

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    35. Roose On The Loose,

      I feel like a contestant on a talent show – well Lulu’s Mum, you certainly have some imagination but unfortunately it’s not the theory that any sane person would ever come up with so you’re out. At least I just confine my embarrassing suggestions to here, imagine the carnage if I actually had any involvement with the show. You’d be able to hear the noise as Angry GOT Fan exploded with rage from thousands of miles away. I accidentally invented a new wine, Rosé Bolton, with the help of auto correct so in the unlikely event anything remotely like that happens, we’ll toast with that 🙂 Oh and nothing personal with the boo a Bolton, unless you’re like them in real life and posting from a maximum security prison 🙁

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    36. Yung Wolf:
      moe the nonbeliever,

      It’s alright though, you tried.

      Shucks, but I didn’t put that much effort in ripping your post apart! Even then, you rolled right over without a counter-argument! I’m gonna go ahead and say my analogy worked on more than a few levels. 😉

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    37. moe the nonbeliever,

      CBA to respond to terrible analogies, especially when they involve religion… Unless it involves our lord and savior R’hllor. Would you like a pamphlet, sir?

      P.S. – I’m going to keep hating both of them equally.

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    38. Yung Wolf:
      moe the nonbeliever,

      CBA to respond to terrible analogies, especially when they involve religion… Unless it involves our lord and savior R’hllor. Would you like a pamphlet, sir?

      P.S. – I’m going to keep hating both of them equally.

      Do I have to pour water on my head if I sign up? -_-

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    39. Yung Wolf:
      moe the nonbeliever,

      There’s nothing we hate more than being mistaken for Drowned God worshipping Ironborn scum.

      Do you even R’hllor, bro?

      Shit, I got worried there for a second! Here I thought you were going to go into a speech about rescuing someone and then run away because the plot can’t have you doing anything!

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    40. Once upon a time, not so long ago, lady Sansa Stark was dreaming that one day she would meet a young charming prince on a white horse, a prince whom she‘d marry. She met a prince, young, but evil one. His family, much like the prince who ordered to kill her father, was (‘n still is) heartless ‘n unscrupulous. Prince’s calculative grandfather forced her to marry his son, benign dwarf named Tyrion. Thanks to picky Sansa, lord Tyrion never consummated the marriage. So, by the law of the Seven Kingdoms, she is not his wife.

      Then lord LF, the slyest of all lords in the kingdoms, the one that had ambushed her father from behind, took advantage of her by arranging her marriage with psychopathic lord Ramsay Bolton, a son of the murderer of her relatives. The lady consented to the marriage, heedless of the risk, cos LF convinced her the marriage could be a good chance to take revenge on Boltons for slaughtering her mother ‘n brother. The problem is, vindictive Sansa doesn’t know yet exactly, ‘n LF didn’t tell her, what revenge would look like. Now, she’s in WF with Ramsay, whom she doesn’t know anything about. She is about to stick living with the strange sicko. What an awful series of choices she made. Sansa’s nice, but obviously a bit dopey.

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    41. Pigeon,

      Sounds like a religious version of rock, paper, scissors. Fire burns whatever the third one is, water puts the fire out, and the third one trumps water. Just need to work out what the third one is. I’ve come up with more than my fair share of stupid ideas for one day so someone sensible can do it 🙂

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    42. House Ray:
      I don’t want Stannis to die

      Pigeon:
      I don’t want Jorah to die.

      Stannis is a usurper, fundamentally unjust and an extremist religious fanatic who only obeys laws that bring him power. He is a hypocrite who would murder his own brother with the powers of the dark and burn his own brother-in-law at the stake for no crime recognized under Westerosi law. He is a false king and no more than a jumped up lordling.

      Jorah is a slaver, oathbreaker, a deserter, spy and a traitor, who at the end of the day, cares only about his own cock. There is no law he will not break and no oath her will not forswear if he sees his cock is involved in the outcome. That’s the grubby reality of Ser Jorah Mormont

      I look forward to the deaths of both, albeit Jorah’s with somewhat less anticipation and satisfaction than Stannis.

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    43. SteelWind:
      Stannis is a usurper, fundamentally unjust and an extremist religious fanatic who only obeys laws that bring him power. He is a hypocrite who would murder his own brother with the powers of the dark and burn his own brother-in-law at the stake for no crime recognized under Westerosi law. He is a false king and no more than a jumped up lordling.

      Jorah is a slaver, oathbreaker, a deserter, spy and a traitor, who at the end of the day, cares only about his own cock. There is no law he will not break and no oath her will not forswear if he sees his cock is involved in the outcome. That’s the grubby reality of Ser Jorah Mormont

      I look forward to the deaths of both, albeit Jorah’s with somewhat less anticipation and satisfaction than Stannis.

      See, he always struck me as more of a pragmatist. :p

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    44. SteelWind: Jorah is a slaver, oathbreaker, a deserter, spy and a traitor

      LIES! Disgusting rumors! Ser Jorah Mormont is the most noble man the gods ever put on this good earth!

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    45. SteelWind:

      Jorah is a slaver, oathbreaker, a deserter, spy and a traitor, who at the end of the day, cares only about his own cock. There is no law he will not break and no oath her will not forswear if he sees his cock is involved in the outcome. That’s the grubby reality of Ser Jorah Mormont

      Bah – the first bit is so in the past. As for caring only about his cock. …..well SOMEONE has to. 🙂

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    46. Essos

      I’m beyond hyped to see the Stone Men finally appear this week. It should be a thrilling setpiece, and the confirmation that this sequence will take place amidst the ruins of Valyria has only increased my anticipation. I’m curious to see how it will be received by the Unsullied, as the attack should evoke a more fantastical tone than the series usually traffics in. However, it shouldn’t come as a complete surprise to those who have been paying close attention. With three references to Greyscale and two explicit mentions of the Stone Men already this season, I think that they’ve been laying the groundwork for this development quite well.

      Winterfell

      Elsewhere, I’m looking forward to spending a lot of time on the Northern storylines this week. I’m very eager to see how Sansa comports herself while surrounded by her enemies. I’m also curious what her initial reaction to seeing Theon/Reek for the first time since Season 1 will be. Finally, I don’t know if Sansa and Ramsay’s wedding will happen this week, but if it does, I hope that we can get this so-called traumatic scene out of the way so that people can stop projecting whatever horrible mental image they have onto that moment. I’ve read more than enough speculation about this storyline based on imagined worst-case scenarios, book-based or otherwise. Under no circumstances do I believe that will Sansa have an easy time of it in Winterfell, but I don’t think that the scene in question is going to be quite as bad as some people fear. I actually think she will try to assert herself whenever she can, and whatever she goes through, it won’t be as horrific as what Jeyne Poole had to endure (I think we can safely assume that no one is going to be forced to copulate with a dog. For that matter, I don’t believe that Reek is going to be called upon to … participate … in any way beyond perhaps being in the room when the consummation happens). Sansa may have taken Jeyne’s nominal place, but she is not Jeyne Poole, Show Ramsay is not Book Ramsay, and this storyline is not the book storyline, whatever superficial and structural resemblances they might share. I do not believe that the showrunners are going to turn Sansa into Ramsay’s timid, helpless plaything just for the sake of “shock value”. I have more faith in them than that.

      The Wall

      I’m curious to see if we will lose Aemon this week. When I first heard that Episode 5 would be titled “Kill the Boy”, I assumed that Aemon would be having that conversation with Jon on his deathbed. However, based on the leaked Inside the Episode feature, he still appears to have some strength left. Furthermore, the photo at the top of this post indicates that he will have a separate scene with Sam in this episode as well. I suppose it’s possible that he could hang on until next week, but clearly, our time with the beloved old Maester is growing short. Peter Vaughn has been so, so good on the show since the very first season. When Aemon finally passes, we will feel his loss.

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    47. Pigeon: Bah – the first bit is so in the past. As for caring only about his cock. …..well SOMEONE has to.

      I do so hope that the Dany cosplayer in Volantis eased his woes somewhat.

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    48. Hmm HBO’s Inside the Episode content for Episode 5 has already been posted up on Youtube .

      Not going to post the link here, but with only two hours to go I’d not recommend watching it. Does look awesome though!

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    49. -> Hates every character that has done something we consider not very good.

      Why do you even watch Game of Thrones? I bet your favourite character is Daenerys as well…

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    50. Mr Fixit,

      Right? Lower his blood pressure anyway, although maybe the Tyrion KO was enough (much as I love Tyrion, I still want a gif of that. It was awesome).

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    51. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Hollyoak,

      The story has shifted. AFFC “felt off” when I first read it too. I won’t claim that all of the storylines have been executed well so far, but I don’t get the sense that it would be any different had the show included most of the plots from the last 2 books.

      Yeah. I agree. I don’t know if I’m looking forward to anything this season because I don’t really remember much of Feast or Dance. What are the huge iconic events of those books?

      I feel like an Unsullied now–not knowing what’s going to happen. When people talk about Griff and Jon Connington and other names, I have no idea who they’re talking about.

      I only read Dance once. I don’t think I will again. I truly remember nothing from it.

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    52. Sven,

      surely shes no ones favourite, i pray to all the gods there are that the faith militant take her out the moment she steps on Westeros.

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    53. SteelWind,

      Stannis is the rightful heir to the throne, as he is Roberts younger brother, but older then Renly. That said if you think the Targs are the rightful rulers, you forget that their claim was by right of conquest, which they lost the day Robert defeated them. Renly was a usurper amd many forget that he was just as willing to kill Stannis as Stannis was to killing him. His was of killing him is questionable , but it had to be done. Also don’t forget it was Stannis who came to the aid of the Night’s Watch when the wildings were about to flood into the Seven Kingdoms.

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    54. Galli,

      *maybe a spoiler for some, a theory really*

      Many believe she sees Daenerys in the fire frequently, but simply misinterprets her as being someone else.

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    55. Galli:
      I have a question – does Melisandre know that Daeneyrs exists? Why has she not seen her in the fires?

      She has seen Daeneyrs. But she also saw foresaw Viserys’ Golden Death, so he could not be the Prince. She believes in the Prophecy of the Prince who was promised – and so discounts Dany as she is the wrong gender.

      She is ignorant of the possibility the translation is equivocal as to the gender of the Prince/Princess (or indeed, that it might mean THREE royals). That’s all lost upon Mel.

      There is no evidence she knows of Dany’s Dragons. That news reached Westeros after they had departed for the Wall.

      As she reckons matters, that means the Prince who was Promised must be Stannis. She is blind to her own visions and when she ask Rhllor to show her the King, “all she could see was Snow“.
      It will probably take Stannis’ death to reveal the truth to her.

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    56. I suppose Tommen is the true heir to the Lannister-Baratheon throne if we’re going by right of conquest. So far, no one’s been able to get them out of the Red Keep.

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    57. SteelWind: She has seen Daeneyrs. But she also saw foresaw Viserys’ Golden Death, so he could not be the Prince. She believes in the Prophecy of the Prince who was promised – and so discounts Dany as she is the wrong gender.

      In the show, I have seen no indication whatsoever that Melissandre has any clues regarding Daenerys or her dragons.
      The Red Priestess at Volantis did not make the mistake of gender…… So either Melissandre has no knowledge of Valyrian, and the gender neutrality of the prophecy and also no knowledge of the dragons, or she does and she has some other agenda (no possibility of creating shadow offspring with Daenerys. 😉 ).

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    58. Kay: So either Melissandre has no knowledge of Valyrian,

      In the show, when she went to get Gendry, she spoke Valyrian with Thoros.

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    59. Melisandre is fluent in High Valyrian. It isn’t knowledge of Valyrian which is important, it is knowledge of the etymology of Valyrian from its more ancient version — where there was no distinction of gender for the Valyrian word for prince that MEl is ignorant of. Think of the Old Valyrian word in the original prophecy as meaning “Royal”, not “prince” or “princess”.

      Melisandre was, before she was (ahem, *changed*) Melony –

      a mere slave purchased by the Temple. She was not brought up as a noble with a noble’s specialized and erudite education as Aemon was. Let alone trained in the Citadel about relatively pointless matters of scholarship.

      And if it was originally “royals” (with an”s”) then some of these apparently conflicting prophecies could both be true at the same time. The dragon has three heads.

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    60. Maester Aemon in the pic! I hope we get his advice to Jon, and

      that he hangs on a bit longer.

      Nervous to watch this episode. I feel some awkward and creepy coming up tonight. [shivers]

      Hey KG! Where are you? I’m looking for you so that you will not feel ignored.

      Belacel,
      Welcome! 🙂

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    61. SteelWind,

      You bring up an interesting question. Who in this series is a supremely ‘good’ character who has done nothing to besmirch anyone’s name or honour? I do believe there are a couple. Look for the killers and the non-killers. If I want to be hardcore about it I could say that no killer should be named a good character. Samwell Tarly is really the only ‘normal’ character in the whole thing, am I right? Who is YOUR favourite character? We all have one. And I am sure we can all back up our choices with really good reasons.

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    62. JennyofOldstones,

      I agree the books will be enjoyed for generations to come, but I don’t think the show which successfully televised the fantasy genre, for mainstream adult audiences, will be forgotten any time soon.

      I regard the books as having superior artistic quality, a master-stroke; but the TV show’s progressive nature arguably makes it more historic.

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    63. ZappaCreed,

      The show made a mistake when they decided to use real wolves instead of CGI for the direwolves. Now that they have more money, I wish they’d go to completely CGI’d direwolves so they could incorporate them into more scenes.

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    64. Any1 else think we’re gonna get some sort of Mother’s Day nod on tonight’s episode . Like something to do with a mother . Dany definitely but I think cersie too … The show has done it in the past and last year Tywin died on Father’s Day

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    65. Let the complains about Missandei and Grey Worm scene begin and purists claiming it ruined the episode !

      Also to the asshole above,the episode didn’t finish for me so thanks you ignorant asshole ! I don’t really give a fuck if you saw your mom being a prostitute away,just don’t ruin it for others .

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    66. Greyscale sure works fast.

      Funniest line of the series was Jon wishing Stannis “safe travels.”

      Aemon and Stannis made my month complete.

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    67. So the previously on GOT reminded me that gully said some of her sisters had greyscale…so greyscale already in westeros?

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    68. I loved this episode, but i was actually surprised, that the episode didnt end with tyrion being pulled down, when it faded to black i thought the credits would start… ^^

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    69. Hodor’s Bastard:
      Greyscale sure works fast.

      Funniest line of the series was Jon wishing Stannis “safe travels.”

      For me, the best line of the episode was: “I saw something that I still see in you today. You’re my son“.. Roose trying to go Mannis on us and trying to get them sympathy votes! Feels were rejected… xD

      And Myranda playing the game like nobodies business! 😀

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    70. I really liked this episode! I’m not sure why Shireen and Selyse are going with Stannis, but I’m sure it will become clear soon enough.

      As much as I dislike Jorah, and was hoping what happened would happen, I actually felt a little sorry for him.

      Stannis being a stickler for proper grammar made me literally laugh out loud.

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    71. Huh, so I guess Typhoid Jorah is confirmed.

      So for this to mean anything like Connington Patient Zero, he has to reach Westeros alive, preferably soon enough that the scales are still hidden under his clothes.

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    72. JawRah Mormont:
      I loved this episode, but i was actually surprised, that the episode didnt end with tyrion being pulled down, when it faded to black i thought the credits would start… ^^

      I’ll be damned if they end the season with such a fade-out after FTW..

      It’s a trope you can only succesfully do once in a season in my eyes.

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    73. urangutan21,

      After 10:00 EST on the open thread is fair game. If you don’t want to be spoiled, get off the internet; or at the very least, this thread.

      And watch your fucking language.

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    74. So, no Jon Snow and Melisandre scene this episode.

      Carice said there was another, bigger scene between the two coming up…

      What can we make of that?

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    75. Otherwise…. This was literally a dark episode. No sunny King’s Landing or Dorne. Stony wintery WInterfell and Castle Black, smokey Valyria and dim pyramid interiors…

      And Kudos to BCogs, the man made me LOL by putting back “Fewer” in Stannis’ mouth !!!

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    76. Leaf:
      Randyll Tarley!
      Oldtown!

      Yeah, “Are these all the books?”, “Most books are in the Citadel”, “I wanted to be a Maester”, “Keep reading Samwell Tarly”

      As I don’t expect the Citadel to happen this season, this may just be set-up for S6.

      Implying that Sam has all the information he needs after dropping those bombs would look incredibly stoopid.

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    77. JennyofOldstones,

      Who in this series is a supremely ‘good’ character who has done nothing to besmirch anyone’s name or honour?

      I asked myself that, as I was reading the books and contemplating the various twists and turns. I decided the best way I could label the characters was with the old Dungeons and Dragons alignment: the categorization of the ethical (Law/Chaos axis) and moral (Good/Evil axis) perspective of people, creatures, and societies. I find that the four levels (plus the neutral that some use) helpful when considering ethics and morality in this world. We were talking sociopaths earlier – so what would Ramsey and Joffrey’s alignment be? Or other character combinations? Does each house have an alignemnt?

      BTW I haven’t played D&;D for a few decades I am assuming some of this has changed with the intervening years and the online version. Still somthing to consider.

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    78. Ser Oromis Locke,

      Roose surprised me. Were we supposed to be touched by that? By Roose?? I expected him to intimidate Ramsay more by focusing on how he was the vile product of rape. But it turned into a rally for defending the north from Stannis? Weird.

      Myranda was good. I loved how Sansa towered over her.

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    79. The underwater Stoneman grabbed Tyrion by his foot. I wonder if that will be like the books and he keeps checking his toes.

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    80. Completely forgot about the greyscale bit. It will be interesting to see how they have it affect Jorah and the plotline. Also, I’m quite intrigued by the Sansa/Reek plotline the more it unfolds! They seem to be sneaking in the supposed Northern rebellion through Sansa which is quite nice. Although, I’m quite worried for Stannis, even though I suspect what will happen will probably happen. <_<

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    81. *cries in corner* Someone hold me…

      Really though, I’m betting they slow the progression way the f*ck down now after the ‘reveal’, since

      Jorah fights in the pits later on, and he’s not looking too shabby from what I’ve seen. Essentially I think this is just just a way to make it even easier for him to sacrifice himself for Dany Spears. Dude really will have nothing to lose. Unless of course magic.

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    82. Leaf,

      Thank you for reminding me. More Oldtown name-drops and the Citadel, too!

      Darkstar,

      To be fair, the comment was posted 13 minutes before the episode ended. I was watching the first east coast airing (I’m out west, so I was watching HBO-east), and at the time it was posted, that part of the episode hadn’t been shown.

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    83. I have yet to watch the episode but am disappointed to hear there is no Arya again…

      I hope they have some good stuff planned for her the 2nd half of the season because she has done nothing so far through 5 episodes.

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    84. The Winterfell sequences were never-ending. I really didn’t enjoy those, and I have been liking Sansa’s arc so much this season. But to spend so much time on those Boltons and on MYRANDA??? Argh…..
      I wish there was more time spent with Aemon.
      Daenerys acknowledging her locked up children on Mother’s Day was good, though when is she going to set them free? Also, quite badass of her to almost “order” marriage to Hizdar. Such a difference from her first marriage – she sure is turning all the gender tropes on their heads.
      Jorah, Tyrion, Drogon, Valyria, stonemen – just awesome. That sequence saved this mostly filler episode for me.

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    85. Would Ramsey be named the sexiest hobbit in the Shire or what? I always pictured him as an overweight, greasy haired psycho with wormy lips. He will have a fan club of adoring fans trying to convince themselves he is just misunderstood after this episode.

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    86. Darkstar:
      The underwater Stoneman grabbed Tyrion by his foot. I wonder if that will be like the books and he keeps checking his toes.

      Hopefully it isn’t, that way I can watch people talk about how vital that plot point was and how D & D are stupid for having not included it.

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    87. Wow!

      That was an interesting episode.
      I was so immersed into the Northern settings that I almost forgot there are other locals and characters.

      Initial Foreshadowings…

      Myranda will die in the Kennels
      Sam & Gilly are off to Oldtown.
      Tyrion will ride a dragon.
      I don’t think Stannis is going to survive this season 🙁

      ps …Jorah’s a bloody good swimmer!

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    88. dothrakian raven,

      It was almost a hugging moment. Who knew Roose was a softy?

      Of course they will defend the north together. That’s pretty obvious without the soft shit. These are the Boltons, not the Waltons.

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    89. So much going on this week!! Sansa is being an awfull player, and its good to see that the northerns in general had taken the place of manderly, btw did anyone else tought that the north man talking to brienne was howland reed?.. perhaps acting in shadows in order to protect sansa? It would be smooth as hell, i think that roose saw that ramsay was a little monster just like himself hence the “you’re my son”.. the greyscale references paid up, lets hope all that references about rhaegar and lyanna winds up just like that… we saw lots of the north this week, so i predict a episode full of dorne, braavos and Kings Landing next week

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    90. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      She said after season 4(she meant most likely episode 4) and since she’s gone.She’ll realize something and return to Castle Black…or Stannis will die and Mel will bring him back.Then he’ll stab Mel with a sword…AAR. 😀 On the serious note,poor Shireen.Something bad is about to happen there,just like in Winterfell arc.

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    91. I found the episode quite enjoyable! Sansa stuff had me on the edge of my seat barely breathing, expecting something horrible to happen, so I’d call it gripping. Was a little disappointed that Sansa not only isn’t doing anything herself to garner northern support (yet), but she’s also doing a rather terrible job at playing dumb/making it seem like she is OK with the situation she was doing a better job of it with Joffery 2 years ago… seems out of her depth, c’mon Sansa!

      Mereen was ok, I want more slavers fed to dragons though. Also I no longer think that Hizdar is the harpy if there is such a person – which, I’m kind of relieved by.

      I’m annoyed about Jorah-greyscale but maybe that’s mostly because so many people predicted it (how did people guess that?). Really don’t want him to die… but, Valar Moghulis…

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    92. Myranda will die in the Kennels
      Sam & Gilly are off to Oldtown.
      I don’t think Stannis is going to survive this season :C

      Welp, look on the bright side. If they follow the general plotline in from the books, assuming Stannis sees Roose as a big enough threat

      He’ll ride right out to battle him…and meet the same fate as poor Stannis. Two major players gone in one fell swoop, and all their will be left is snow. And the Night’s King will be the main villain in the series.

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    93. I’ll just say, the show has a chance to be groundbreaking by showing the first ever eunuch sex scene on a tv show. The big question, did the masters take the pillar or the stones? Both? At least GW still has a tongue.

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    94. The Hizdar proposal, compared to the books:

      So in the books, IIRC Dany accepts marrying Hizdar after repeated requests by him, because it’s a desperate final attempt to bring back peace in the streets as promised by Hizdar. On the show it’s a completely different ballgame… one could argue that Dany’s motivation for marrying him is the same, but the balance of power is quite different. How can she put the burden of the proof of pacification on him now? She gives him a great honour, without conditions?

      That is yet another unfortunate weaker motivation on the show for choices similar in the books, but that were much better prepared. Like Jaime now “hating” Tyrion, and Tyrion acting depressed in Essos, and Cersei arming the Faith Militant: the list goes on, and that’s just for the current half-season.

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    95. KG,

      Yes, it does suck. I’m sure that Iain Glen will do it justice, however.

      Sansa in WF has become a horror story complete with the older woman that keeps showing up in her room to tell her that the Starks have not been forgotten. The duo of Ramsay and Roosevelt are what nightmares are made of. I’m not sure who I think is in the most danger: Sansa, the lovely Walda or Myranda.

      Brienne’s plan confuses me. She is sneaking a note to Sansa?

      I am cautiously optimistic that we are getting Oldtown and the Citadel. Loved the scene between Stannis and Sam.

      So Dany proposes the marriage pact to Hizdahr? He can become dragon chow at any time.

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    96. Great episode. Though Roose’s last line should’ve been “don’t make rue the day i raped your mother”.

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    97. Queenofthrones,

      As someone else already pointed out

      if Jorah is taking on JonCon’s greyscale, he may well also be taking on other parts of his story, which means he’ll get back to Westeros. I’ll be interested to see if that does happen, whether they will land in Dorne, or not. I think Varys is on his way to Dorne, and Doran is one of the people in the “group” to which Varys referred in his conversation with Tyrion in episode 1.

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    98. Lavignac:
      The Hizdar proposal, compared to the books:

      Not disagreeing with your assessment of the Dany situation, although I’m disliking her decision here in TV world as much as I did in book world.

      Tyrion acting depressed though? I mean, the relationship with Shae actually had some depth in the TV show (yes, I’m one of those people)and he seemed to genuinely care about her. He also killed both her and his father and fled king’s landing! I mean…I’m not a psychology expert, but I don’t think that that would have the best effect on a person.

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    99. Hi-Fi,

      No, I think it will happen later in the season.

      I am starting to believe that Melisandre will literally abandon Stannis this season, riding off back to the Wall.

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    100. The pieces continue to go into place….

      Jon Snow will lead The White Walkers, The North, The Wildings, & The Vale against Dany and her Dragons, Dorne, Martells, and Lannisters (what’s left of them).

      Just not sure how Stannis fits in.

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    101. Ness:
      Love the end music!!!

      It reminded me a lot of the music from The Planet of the Apes (original version). Loved it!

      Oldtown…confirmed!
      Citadel…confirmed!
      Dragonglass on Dragonstone…confirmed!
      Jorah the Horra’…confirmed!
      Adios Lord Manderly…confirmed, do you think? I fear Brienne is taking the role and leading a Winterfell smallfolk revolt.
      Sansa smirking at Walda’s news! So do you-all think that Miranda’s desire to get rid of Sansa will be homicidal, or will she

      assist Reek

      ?
      Triple dragon sighting!
      Loving show!Stannis!
      “The Doom of Valyria” recited by Peter and Ian Glenn…awesome!
      Alfie Allen…awesome!
      Hardhome is coming…
      Hizdar’s terrible, horrible very bad day!

      My Unsullied husband, however, was distressed by the scene when Tyrion wakes to Jorah on the beach. “How the hell did they get there? That’s not even remotely where they were! And where’s the boat?” Not a good transition visually.

      I, however, commend BCog (if he’s lurking) on a fun episode. Thanks, BCog!!

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    102. Sansa’s walk through the hounds of hell had me on the edge of my seat, with my eyes partially covered: I had no idea what she was going to witness Oh, Theon, just you, ok….whew

      I was surprised that the episode didn’t stop with Tyrion under water – but glad that they passed that cliffhanger by.

      Dumb question: how much time has passed since Gilly and Sam first escaped from Craster’s Keep? I mean, shouldn’t that baby be at least partially out of swaddling clothes by now?…

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    103. Lavignac,

      On the show it’s a completely different ballgame… one could argue that Dany’s motivation for marrying him is the same, but the balance of power is quite different. How can she put the burden of the proof of pacification on him now? She gives him a great honour, without conditions?

      I don’t normally complain when they change character motivations but this seems stupid and out of character not just for book Dany but for TV Dany too. It seems like some type of forced “girl power” choice for the show because they think it would be a step back for her character to be in another somewhat arranged marriage. To be fair I have yet to watch the episode so maybe when I do it will make more sense as to why they have her offering instead of the other way around.

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    104. Daario has not had much to do, but I must admit, I suddenly do not hate this character anymore! Which must mean the actor is doing a good job in limited screen time. Very subtle I did not even notice.

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    105. Am I the only one who thought this episode was underwhelming? Sansa was not playing the game. The morning light in all the scenes made the picture blurry. And that side shot of Jon and Tormund was infuriatingly bad. Not the quality that I’ve grown accustomed to. But I have every confidence this must be a blip on an otherwise compelling season.

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    106. Daario and Dany’s future husband gave each other a very interesting look at the beginning of the episode. Kind of plays into some fan theories that they are working together.

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    107. I found this episode painful for some reason. Aside from the Tyrion bits, I always enjoy Tyrion. Mayhaps I need to watch it again.

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    108. JamesL,

      It makes perfect sense in the show. Barristan was killed. Many of the Unsullied were massacred. Grey Worm is in critical condition. Dany’s advisers are gone. She asks Missandei what advice she has. Missandei says open the fighting pits and marry a nobleman.

      It you let go of your attachment to the book narrative, you can see the show logic more clearly.

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    109. Lavignac,

      I’ve been knocking that around for a while, and whenever something else crops up I think possibly makes it make more sense, at least to me, I mention it.

      I started really thinking he went to Dorne after that first episode when he explained the pro-Targ group. Not only do we have the whole Dorne/Targ deal in the books, but I remember it being mentioned in one of the off-season articles there was someone on set in Spain whose identity could not be revealed.

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    110. So many nuggets this episode. Stannis muttering grammar corrections. Stannis giving props to Randyll Tarley. Stannis being Stannis. Loved it.

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    111. I was a few minutes behind and did not see the preview of the next episode…what did it show?

      I kinda liked how they made it Dany’s idea to marry Hizdahr. Was hoping for more Brienne. Completely confused by her storyline. I figure she will hear Stannis is en route and have to decide between saving Sansa or getting revenge on him.

      And is Jon leaving straight for Hardhome then I guess?

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    112. Ashara D: Dragonglass on Dragonstone…confirmed!

      Thank you for mentioning that. It’s funny how things I love in an episode escape my mind so quickly.

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    113. The Bastard,

      OK. But she decides to open the fighting pits, and marry a nobleman (Hizdahr) which sounds like good advice (despite what we know happens in the book). Yes, she has made some serious mistakes. But she’s learning, and bouncing back from those mistakes. That’s what makes a leader. The ability to admit mistake, learn from it, and move forward.

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    114. James Rivers,

      Here’s the episode 6 preview from HBO. I’ll try and put it under a spoiler tag, just in case the video player shows up.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBbbHJWpUnU&feature=youtu.be

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    115. ArgonathofBraavos:
      Demonmonkey,

      That side shot of Jon and Tormund was beautifully composed and lit, and not at all infuriatingly bad.

      I agree! I have loved the cinematography (or is it the Director of Photography’s work? That distinction confuses me.) in the past few episodes. The light has almost become a character. Jon’s shadow on the wall in the last episode, and tonight, in the Bolton family dinner scene, when Ramsey makes Reek walk towards the table, there is a spot of bright light that he walks toward and shines up his midsection, but he stops just short of it reaching his face. I thought that was brilliant!!

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    116. The Bastard,

      I couldn’t agree more. Trying to gain the love of a woman which is almost never likely to happen while being on a race against time before a slow death… His story arc now became even more awesome!

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    117. I know I said I wasn’t going to comment, but screw it… I really enjoyed that episode. It didn’t jump round so much, and really benefitted from it (Didn’t even realise we hadn’t been to KL until it had finished).

      I’ll post my full thoughts tomorrow, but too tired now,

      Slower, but in my top 2 of this season.

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    118. This was a very good episode! I thought for sure the episode was going to end when the screen was fading black after Tyrion was being pulled down towards in the water. That would have been a lame ending in my opinion with such an annoying cliffhanger, but I’m glad it didn’t end there!

      Knowing that there was more to see after the fade-out with a cliffhanger that’s even more worthy to end with has made this ending at least five times better than it would have been! Things really are starting to pick up from what it looks like, there’s more suspense now than there was earlier this season, for sure. I can’t wait for next week now.

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    119. I’m guessing Dorne,KL,Braavos, and Winterfell will be the only locations we visit next week, with perhaps a Jorah and Tyrion scene too.

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    120. When Aemon talked about in that scene with Sam,how it’s a sin to left a Targaryen(Dany) alone in this world or something like that…Jon Snow enters the room.Nice hint to R+L=J.Anyone noticed that too?

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    121. Geralt of Rivia,
      I was literally about to post a comment about this, refreshed the page and saw your comment. I loved that little subtlety that they included, how he touched his face added to it as well

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    122. Pigeon,

      No, he doesn’t have a time-machine, but the larger budget did allow for the purchase of actual rocket fuel to fuel his jet-pack. 🙂

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    123. eh, I’d rather see the Griffs and the Greyjoy plotlines than watch more Missandi/Grey Worm and Myranda stuff. I don’t mind changes, but the storylines they are making up and the ones they are expanding are just boring.

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    124. Does anyone else remember Liam Cunningham saying in an offseason interview he develops a bond with Sam, or at least interacts with him?

      Also, thinking Deepwood Motte this season, battle of Ice next season episode 1?

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    125. Beautiful, beautiful episode. The Grey Worm + Missendei romance is so good, the dragon feast was jaw-dropping, the Wall scenes were all top-tier, the Stone Men were well-realized, winter truly feels as though it is upon the North, and there was such rarely-used (for valid reasons of course) LOTR-esque atmosphere on multiple occasions.

      Not only did Cogman the Mangman (I’m sorry) pen yet another masterstroke, but Jeremy Podeswa proved he meant business, too. This was in some ways “Kissed by Fire, Part II”, and that is high praise indeed.

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    126. My favorite episode this season. They stuck mostly to the north, which meant they could develop the story. The Bolton dinner was adorable. Sending Shireen with Stannis ups the ante on the battle for Winterfell.

      My main quibble is Dany. She starts off with a lot of anger and a lot of power, then she caves.

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    127. I liked it quite a bit. I’m a fan of slow-burn episodes, and this had a lot of that:

      –A good, long, cringey section at Winterfell.

      –Lots of good Wall scenes, and some great Stannis action.

      –Dany taking the reins, and rather than being pushed into a marriage, making an active decision.

      –Disagree with those who say Sansa wasn’t playing the game. Much of playing the game is keeping quiet and observing.

      –And of course the Doom of Valyria, a beautiful set, and a great bit of narration/soliloquy from Tyrion and Jorah, and the horrible visuals that followed.

      And now my lament:

      Every season I’m so thrilled at how much things are moving along and how exciting it is – and then I recall that after episode 5, we’re half-way through. Which sucks.

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    128. Pigeon,

      I hadn’t even noticed it, so I went back and watched, again. Yes, he has been exceptional. It seems like a lot of the actors, some of whom were already doing really great work (like Alfie Allen), have taken a huge step forward, this season.

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    129. dothrakian raven,

      He knows something about that or at least he suspects somting(Rhaegar is not a rapist),but I don’t think he knows the whole truth.I was expecting some R+L=J hint there.Even my mom noticed that.Good job from D&D.

      Speaking of Aemon.I was expecting his death in this episode,but lives another day.Hurah.Oldtown was mentioned again.It looks like Sam and Gilly will go there(maybe Aemon will too),but there was one shot in the trailer,with something like Night’s Watch funeral.

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    130. This isn’t a spoiler as it is just my theory for the long game but I will tag it regardless. Ive always speculated that with the reveal of the Greyscale being contracted, (regardless of the way it happened in the books or the show) that if it spreads and becomes rampant Dany might be faced with a “greater good” decision and have to burn whole cities to contain it. She would then be remembered as mad like her father was even though she saved the larger population.

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    131. It looks like Jorah will take JonCon role and he’ll bring the greyscale to Westeros…or he’ll meet the same fate as Quentyn in the books.Not sure there.Dany will effectively be the invading Targaryen instead of Aegon…and she’ll form and alliance with Dorne Dany/Trystane marriage.I fully expect Doran to be one of the the people behind a Targaryen restoration,when Varys mentioned that to Tyrion in 5×01.Queenmaker plot will likely go south.What do you think?

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    132. Phil,

      eh, I’d rather see the Griffs and the Greyjoy plotlines than watch more Missandi/Grey Worm and Myranda stuff.

      This argument is repetitive and illogical. Those Missandi/Grey Worm and Myranda scenes are just that, little scenes in an episode not entirely new plotlines. Having a scene between Missandi and Grey Worm or Ramsay and Myranda is not what is preventing the Greyjoys or Young Griff from appearing. Those would be huge new plotlines.

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    133. Greatjon of Slumber:
      –Disagree with those who say Sansa wasn’t playing the game. Much of playing the game is keeping quiet and observing.

      But she’s not really doing that, either. She’s acting rude and sniping at the Boltons. I’m not sure how any of this constitutes her trying to win Ramsay over, which is the only thing Littlefinger suggested she do while waiting to be rescued by Stannis (I find it kind of hilarious that Sansa is literally doing exactly the same thing as before, just with a black dress, which apparently makes her “empowered”).

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    134. Geralt of Rivia,

      idk. The show just settled the north, and sending Sam and Gilly off would be a bit silly. Stannis tells Sam to keep reading–I think there’s something in the library for him and Gilly to find. It’s probably the thing that he was supposed to find in the Citadel.

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    135. Myranda can make my lips bleed any day…

      Myranda needs to lighten the brooding Sansa up a bit. Maybe she can teach Sansa archery?

      Sansa should have whacked Reek in his dog cage. So reserved. She’s a ticking time bomb.

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    136. Good episode IMO, so everyone gets a free shot of whiskey at the Gem for the next hour.

      Although if you support Missandai and Grey Worm’s romance you’re barred!!!!!

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    137. Kudos to Cogman and Podeswa on one of the best episodes yet in the show, cracks my top five, oh and everyone else involved, it is a team effort after all.

      The scenes in Winterfell were among the best scenes yet in the show, Iwan, Charlotte, Sophie, Alfie and Mr. McElhatton killed it.
      A close second was Jorah and Tyrion, breathtaking cinematography, tension and bonding moment for the two…what can I say when you have those two, Drogon, still smoking ruins of Valyaria, Stonemen, poetry and Greyscale all in six minutes. Tyrion better check his feet, he was grabbed in the water by one.

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    138. I am a long time lurker first time post.
      I wanted to asked you sullied peeps, if anyone might wonder as I do why the R+L=J is being teased so openly? I was a long time believer in this theory however of late, I think perhaps its a red herring. Too obvious… I am now wondering if the R is for Robert Baratheon. Many things make be consider this possiblity. For one Lyanna was the love of his life. I found the scene last week in the crypt with Littlefinger and Sansa and his account of the tourney. At the end she finds the feather that Robert had left on the very first season ep 1. Neds need to keep Jon hidden, as Cersei would have Jon killed if she even suspected he was Roberts. Neds finding Gendry and hastening him away for safety. When Ned was questioning Cerseis childrens paternity and he found the book that refers to the Baratheons of the black hair. When the Targ were silver haired. Neds children had brown hair as did Ned, not Black like Roberts. There are many other subtle clues that could prove easter eggs that we have been overlooking. I cant help but feel we are heading down a road where we think we have it figured it out, but are then mind++++++ by D&D. As it is Dani would be Jons aunt if they were to be together at the end. But Baratheon/Stark Jon with a Targarian Dani would be perfect! What do you think???

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    139. Anyone think missandei’s advice to dany = eventually do same thing to hizdar as she did to guy she took unsullied from? (agree to a deal, with intent of later on going back on her word & possibly killing him w dragons)

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    140. Valjeanne,

      Welcome! 🙂

      Some of your idea definitely works/makes sense, but for Jon to be Lyanna’s and Robert’s, wouldn’t she have had to already be pregnant by the time she was kidnapped?

      As far as why I think they’re teasing it so openly, while it may seem obvious, or at least very, very, very likely to the Sullied, the Unsullied wouldn’t really have much reason to think (up until the last few episodes) Ned may not be Jon’s father. The mystery to many of the Unsullied has been who his mother is. I think D&D are just putting out the groundwork for those folks.

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    141. Hodor’s Bastard: These are the Boltons, not the Waltons.

      Ramsey: Good night, Walda. Good night, Daddy.
      Roose: Good night, Son. Good night, Walda.
      Fetus: Good night, Daddy. Good night, Mama.
      Myranda: Good night, Sansa. Good night, Reek.
      Reek: Good night, Myranda. Good night, Sansa.
      Sansa: Good night, Theon. Good night, Old Lady Friend. I’ll be confronting you soon.

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    142. Queenofthrones: she’s also doing a rather terrible job at playing dumb/making it seem like she is OK with the situation she was doing a better job of it with Joffery 2 years ago… seems out of her depth, c’mon Sansa!

      She was giving the Boltons a dose of Sassy Cersay.

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    143. None of the episodes thus far have been classics, but none have been bad either, and this was perhaps the best. It was refreshing to get a bit more focus on specific plotlines, even if I did have to quiet the voice in my head that wants updates from Braavos and Kings Landing. I’d prefer less focus on Danaerys, but ’twas ever thus.

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    144. Great episode. Favs: dany exacting some revenge. Sansa smiling when Ramsey heard some upsetting news from his parents during dinner. Not so fav: Jorah’s stone man wound. Aside from that, its interesting how both queen dany and jon snow now appear forced to make real leadership decisions without the guidance of others. In fact, Aemon tells jon to “kill the boy”. So the man can take charge.

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    145. Valjeanne,

      Ned was hiding Jon from Robert…………..not Cersie. Robert wanted to kill every last Targaryan; especially one he thought was the product of rape by his beloved. Lyanna was the love of his life, but he was not the love of her life………….

      Oh, and welcome……………; )

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    146. Sean C.,

      Don’t you think that the Bolton’s would think it fishy if Sansa were to be totally sweet and compliant? They are not stupid. She is being snappish, but she rightfully could be acting out alot worse.

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    147. Darkstar,

      That’s what I was thinking regarding Sansa’s reactions to the Boltons. If she started acting like she was happy to be there, it would send up a lot of red flags.

      I’ve seen several people mention that a Stone Man touched Tyrion’s foot and that he might have greyscale, but I’m pretty sure he grabbed his boot and there wasn’t any skin to skin contact, so Tyrion should be fine because the show’s universe established that it’s spread through direct contact with infected skin rather than through the water near the Bridge of Dreams.

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    148. I don’t get all the people talking about how grayscale will now spread all over Westeros because of Jorah – it has always been prevalent there, long before Shireen or Jon Connington appeared in the books. Lots of talk of how people died of it – one of Theon’s older brothers for instance.

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    149. Lady Wolfsbane,

      You’re right, but the doll with the greyscale on it came into contact with her skin. The outside of Tyrion’s boot may have greyscale on it (unless it washed off in the water), but his foot itself hasn’t had any direct contact that we’re aware of.

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    150. BlackTalon:
      I don’t get all the people talking about how grayscale will now spread all over Westeros because of Jorah – it has always been prevalent there, long before Shireen or Jon Connington appeared in the books. Lots of talk of how people died of it – one of Theon’s older brothers for instance.

      It could be confusion between greyscale and grey plague, the latter is rarer and fatal and perhaps could be introduced if the form contracted from the Stone Men is more virulent than the greyscale that Shireen contracted for example.

      The only time grey plague is mentioned in the books is an outbreak in Oldtown where they isolated the city to stop it spreading, which suggest it isn’t at all prevalent.

      I’m just guessing here though.

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    151. Darkstar:

      Don’t you think that the Bolton’s would think it fishy if Sansa were to be totally sweet and compliant? They are not stupid.

      Seeing as we have absolutely no idea what Roose could possibly think Sansa’s motivations are other than “planning to betray me (by sitting around and doing nothing)”, that’s a road I don’t know the show wants us to go down.

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    152. the1whoknocks,

      Robert Strong is the name of a “mystery” man who joins the Kings guard in Loras Tyrell’s place. He is in Cersei’s pocket. She will need him to be her champion in a trial by combat. It is obvious that he is The Mountain, Reanimated. His face remains hidden behind helmet & visor, but he fits the physical description of the Mountain. They change his name because everyone believes the mountain to be dead, especially the Dornish, who think they received his scull as a gift from Kings Landing after the death of Oberyn. His re animation obviously needs to remain secret in order not to provoke war vs. Dorne.

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