Game of Thrones picked up another award nomination today and the chance to add to its already overflowing trophy shelf. Nominations were announced for the 2015 Hugo Awards, celebrating the year’s best in scifi and fantasy works.
Game of Thrones is nominated for Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form), for the season 4 episode “The Mountain and the Viper” written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss, and directed by Alex Graves.
Game of Thrones will be facing off in the category against Doctor Who (“Listen”), The Flash (“Pilot”), Grimm (“Once We Were Gods”) and Orphan Black (“By Means Which Have Never Yet Been Tried”).
If GoT wins this year, it will be the third year in a row they take this category, with “The Rains of Castamere” and “Blackwater” taking the prize in 2014 and 2013 respectively. In 2012, Game of Thrones won the award for Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form) for the entirety of season 1.
I knew Tyrion’s “Orson/beetles” monologue would get it’s due respect! Thrilling!
(*Ellaria screaming*)
Wow, great news! I’m slightly surprised it’s The Mountain and the Viper nominated, because I feel there are at least two better episodes, but it’s great that we’re nominated again anyway.
Of the other nominations, I only watch Doctor Who, but I would be very surprised if GoT didn’t win anyway.
That was my favourite episode of the year, actually, so I’m glad it was the nominee.
Personally I’d have gone with “Mockingbird”, but that was also a fine episode.
The Hugo Awards are, in their own way, pretty fascinating. There’s a massive political struggle going on within them.
Turns out there are some authors with (IMO) repulsive views. But progressives have taken it upon themselves to basically bar these people from ever getting nominated, etc. So a bunch of liberals and conservatives have mounted a bit of a fight back. Quite interesting.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/04/hugo-awards-nominations-swept-by-anti-sjw-anti-authoritarian-authors/
Curious – do they submit only one episode for nomination?
I’m also surprised at this choice of episode, I HATED the beetles and found the fight lacked good music and directing.
Chriss,
I’m surprised that post wasn’t issued on April 1st.
And good, ‘The Mountain and the Viper’ definitely was one of the best episodes (‘Mockingbird’ comes to mind as another one of the best).
Great choice, last season was probably the toughest for them to choose from. The choices were probably between the lion and the rise, mockingbird, this episode, Watchers on the wall, and the children. I have a feeling that GOT was predetermine to win and it didn’t matter which episode it was for.
My fave was “The Laws of Gods and Men” but this one was excellent too.
Interview with producer in charge of post production Greg Spence
http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_27839192/%22game-of-thrones%22-producer-greg-spence-on-leaks-hbo-and-dragons
‘We’ haha! Glad fans are enjoying the credit for the production of the series! Just kidding
M&V was an excellent episode, despite the Orson scene. That self-indulgent bit of writing didn’t take anything away from the rest of the episode, and the fight is simply mesmerising, even if I can’t watch it all the way to it’s conclusion!
Waxfoot,
How was it self-indulgent?
Yivo,
I thought that the moutain vs the vipor was the most entertaining one on one fight in television history . I was unsullied at that point , upto the Tyrion chapter where the fight was about to take place and I decided to watch the rest of the series before I read the rest , and it was the best decision I ever made I was the one fan who didn’t let the book spoil the show for me , and it was the best thing I ever did . In some ways I wish I could have went without finishing Feast / dance , till after season. 5 . Asoiaf is a great book series , but the tv show , is the most entertaining show of our generation . I agree with d n d that it’s the best fantasy story of our lifetime . Only one more week . Last year I would watch every episode again the next day with subtitles , and it’s crazy how much more you can get from an episode you already watched . Got is the only show you can watch 3 times in a row and get three different things out of it
I preferred Watchers on the Wall weirdly. None of them are my favourite characters, I didn’t really get on board with Jon/Ygritte but it really paid off the community they built at the wall and was visibly spectacular of course. Everyone got their moment in that, from Aemon’s wisdom to the Watch cook.
Lady Wolfsbane,
No, its not submission I believe. Its a general vote, Doctor Who has had 3/5 noms in the same catagory before. But the field is much stronger now.
I agree that the Mountain and the Viper fight seemed underwhelming. I even preferred Brienne vs the hound. IMO the best fight scene of the season was by far Tormund vs Thorne. The scene was shot brilliantly, the use of the environment and the differing styles of fighting was great. The brief tracking shot along the building alone was excellent. Even with the use of stunt doubles(I think) the scene wasn’t cut together half as bad as the M v V.
It’s strange that Graves shot one of my favorite fight scene in season 3 Hound v Beric but both his major fight scenes in season 4 felt a bit off. I would loved to have seen how Marshall would have handled the Mountain v Viper.
George R.R. Martin determined to finish new ‘Thrones’ book by 2016
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/03/george-rr-martin-winds-date
Now we can argue if that means before 2016 or by the end of 2016…
What Amazes me most is: no nominations for the World of Ice and Fire. No nominations for slow regard of silent things. No nomination for “Rogues”.
Wonder if we will get any angry blog entries on this on our favorite author’s site…
Arya havin’ a larf?,
Either way it’s probably coming out in mid 2017 at the earliest.
Waxfoot,
Alright, I admit it, I’m Dan Weiss.
Maybe not…
Correction, my favorite was The battle at Castle Black! Laws of gods and Men takes 2nd place
Small spoilers from recapped.com :
In one of the first scenes, a nameless Unsullied travels to a brothel in Dany’s new capital. Several extras show their breasts as he enters the building. The woman he ends up with strips completely nude before covering up with a sarong , ending up only topless. Things get unpleasant after that.
For the ladies and/or gents, Loras Tyrell (Finn Jones) has a lengthy post sex scene with the blonde prostitute dude Oberyn was shagging last season. Jones doesn’t show anything, but we see the other dude’s butt a lot.
Later in the episode Emilia Clarke is seen nude in bed post-coitus, but sadly she’s covered by a blanket and offers up just a hint of side boob. There’s a lot of Daario (Michael Huisman) butt in this scene.
This scene is different than the one in the trailer where Dany’s seen laying on her stomach in bed though, so perhaps there’s hope for later in the season.
Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell) is naked under a blanket after a wedding night romp with King Tommen. Maybe a flash of her right breast as the blanket moves at one point (doubtful) and a view of her naked back when she gets up to put on a robe – no butt!
Also a lot of random full frontal nudity at Littlefinger’s brothel in this episode.
There’s whore dressed like Daenerys who shows off her butt quite a bit in a brothel visited by Tyrion.
Episode 4
Carice Van Houten (Melisandre) opens her dress for Jon Snow, revealing her breasts. It’s very cold at the Wall.
More random prostitute nudity at Littlefinger’s brothel.
zod,
Dean Charles Chapman is indeed the luckiest teenager in the world just like Sue said.
I just wonder why they didn’t go for frontal nudity with her, she did it before in season 2 so…
Joffrey’s Cunt,
She probably just didn’t feel comfortable doing it around Dean Charles Chapman. It’s different stripping in front of other adults than in front of a child.
Alex Stroup,
Yeah that’s probably the reason, but still there are some simple old cinema tricks to acomplish that without him being on the scene
Unless Orson wrote that scene, it is tough to see how it is. (Like “self-entitled,” “self-indulgent” tends to get used as a random criticism, it seems.)
Isn’t the actor 18? Assuming that he’s heterosexual, he probably has been around naked women before! (Indeed, if he hasn’t, then he’s a late bloomer: and being an actor increases the chances that he’s been an early bloomer in that department.
Why would that have been nominated? It’s not a story or an anthology of stories: it’s basically an appendix of faux history.
Wimsey,
He is actually 17 still, but has I already said there were ways they could have done it without him being on the scene. Anyway even the website is not sure about it, they just confirmed we don’t see her arse, but I’m still hoping for that flash of her right boob. I’m sure every straight guy on this website is with me on this.
Wimsey,
He’s 17, and was 16 when he filmed the scene.
Wimsey,
Yeah, the Hugos don’t have a “Faux History” category, but they do have a “Best Related Book” category, for which TWoI&F wasn’t considered. I’m sort of surprised. Competition must be stiff or “Silmarillion”-type works just don’t apply.
Hodor’s Bastard,
Are you people serious about this…? o.O
As is noted above, the Hugos this year are weird because they’re decided by a public vote, and a rightwing extremist fringe organization with SF with leaders like Vox Day who argue black people are not homo sapiens coordinated to stuff the ballot box. The nominations in the Related Book category are identical to the right wing fringe movement’s suggested ballot.
So, the problem isn’t that competition was stiff in the Related Book category. The problem is that Hugo nominations are settled by public vote that anyone can participate in if they pay $40, and this year right wing extremists broke the system by pulling in non-SF fans to push out anything that didn’t fit their narrow agenda.
One of the books that was pushed out was World of Ice and Fire, which would have been a lock in most any other year. But this time around, the voices of legitimate SF/fantasy fans who voted for books they like were drowned out by a radical political movement.
Ah, I thought that he was a little older. Still, I’d bet several euros that the kid is ahead of the bell-curve, and he would be about in the middle now.
I’m straight, but she’s too young for me. (Insofar as I care for gratuitous nudity anymore, I’m more in the Lena Headey age bracket: but, then, I seem to recall seeing quite a bit of her in other films….)
Even the Silmarillion was at least a collection of related stories.
C,
Yeah, I read that from Chriss above….Seems like the Hugo issue is a microcosm of what is happening throughout the world, sadly.
I’m Rewatching the third season does the kid playing tommen baratheon play Martin lannister to?
Grand maester giz,
You betcha.
King Tommen,
That sucks , Jesus why couldn’t they just hire another kid . That and Jon snow tell ygritte that wildlings tryed killing his brother but he left with benjen and Theon was with Robb, there’s absolutely no way john knows that unless he’s gettin ravens on the down low
Grand maester giz,
But at that point in the story he knows nothing so that’s two things I found kinda dumb .
Grand maester giz,
That was during Season 1 when Osha and her Wildling crew tried to kill Bran. Jon was at Castle Black and Robb was still at Winterfell. I’m sure Robb was sending some notes to Jon during that time.
King Tommen,
I dunno if he did , what did the later say , fuckin Theon shot a wilding without my approvel , do you believe this guy . Wildlings attacked we got one as a kitchen wench , she saw whites to . Moms really been a pain in the ass …..” How’s your new family treating yeh
Grand maester giz,
Aside from giving an update on Bran, I’d think Robb would probably think Wildlings making their way across the Wall and into the south would probably be a relevant piece of information for Jon and the NW. I’m not really suspending much disbelief there.
It’s made clear on the show that news from around Westeros (big and small) comes through by raven on a regular basis.
And bogging the show down with unnecessary like Jon getting this news would be bad for the show. After all, why wouldn’t members of the Watch get letters from home?
One thing that fans do need to remember is that most people have a very limited tolerance for unnecessary details. (Amusingly, most fans feel like this when it’s a different series in question, too!)
The story is nothing but a bunch of lil details
No one ever talks about the Theon torture stuff they added , I like that . Fills the minutes up , the pace isn’t like rushing threw the story fast, Rewatching this I find it hard to beleive that thoros won’t be back
When I watched that scene I felt like I was watching a writer chuckle to himself about how clever and funny he is being.
The show should make a charector who is a mess . Because of a hi addiction to milk of the puppy he can’t stop drinking it , so he got like 12 puppies on him at all time . He could work threw like pycelle
Wimsey,
Thanks but actually I think self-indulgent writing isn’t limited to writing about the self. Interesting points here:
http://laurensapala.com/?p=3681
In this case, I think the Orson back-story was awkward and boring, and it made its point heavy-handedly.
Waxfoot,
What was it’s point, according to you? Because not everyone has the same interpretation of it.
Yivo,
I thought its point was: Orson = GRRM/D&D/Westeros… It’s brutal and that’s just the way it is, folks!
From the bits I’ve seen of it (I spent some time flipping through a friend’s copy, and I didn’t look through the whole thing), while some of the information is certainly interesting, and some of the artwork is excellent, it is, by and large, really poorly written, imo.
That being said, I don’t want to come across as being close-minded… I’m re-watching season four currently and I’ll happily revise my opinions on the scene if it does something for me the second time around!
C,
Rightwing extremist, right. Even if you are correct, just because some jackass has twisted views doesn’t mean he’s ‘rightwing’
Quite the opposite, actually! The story is what all the protagonists are doing in common.
You might feel this way; others of us did not. It was excellent character development for both Jaime and Tyrion, and excellent development of a dynamic. After all, it had been 3 years since we saw those two together, and the show had to re-establish the bond between them.
Thematically, it was also very important. There are “powers” in SoI&F that we might call gods (R’hllor, the White Walkers, the Weirwoodnet), but the gods of the “normal” religions are just stories. That probably is going to be important: the 7 are not going to amount to much in the R’hllor vs. White Walker vs. Trees vs. Bystanders conflict, although people expecting the 7 to do something might be a factor in the plot. But even if that does not happen, then it was important there and then for showing us that Tyrion understood that life is arbitrary and without any real point. Seeing Tyrion accept that with impending death sets up his character well for what is to (and what was to) come.
If the writer thought himself clever for it, well, I will also think him clever for it, too.
It reads like a history book for kids. In a way, that is as much as it could do: after all, I have entire volumes dedicated to single countries and single rulers from single countries.
However, like a history book, it tells no stories: indeed, it does not even really present theses the way that “advanced” history books do. It does paint a backdrop of details too minute to belong in the books: but, then, if the details do not belong in the books, then you lose nothing by ignoring them.
It was written by Linda. What did you expect?
It’s a week till episode 1 !! why is WotW not reporting on all the interviews? is Sue busy?
here’s ones with Sansa , Dany and Mel & Dave, each one have some interesting tidbits, Emilia’s was my favorite :
http://www.redbulletin.com/ie/en/culture/got-special-sophie-turner-talks-sansa-stark
http://www.redbulletin.com/ie/en/culture/got-special-carice-and-liam-talk-about-life-at-the-wall
http://www.redbulletin.com/ie/en/culture/got-special-emilia-clarke-talks-about-life-as-daenerys-targaryen
I understand the reasons. I suppose I would argue, though, that the execution wasn’t ‘excellent’ (as you say), even if I do acknowledge a scene of this kind was required for the purpose of character development.
But really I don’t claim this to be anything other than my opinion. This scene is one of very few in the entire series that I simply did not find entertaining.
It’s Easter. People are spending the holiday with their family.
Also, the interviews you’re linking to aren’t indexed through Google News/Alerts so the only way we’d see them is if somehow they were brought to our attention by a person- like you’re doing. It’s helpful and appreciated when our readers bring cool stuff to our attention, so thank you. (People don’t really check the Red Bull magazine for GoT news as a rule, you know? So we likely wouldn’t have come across them.) Business will resume as usual after the holiday.
That said, we don’t post every single interview out there. Some of them quite frankly are crap. Or repetitive and uninteresting. Our job (well, hobby) is to curate them and share what we find interesting at WotW. So we won’t be reporting on “all” the interviews anyway.
KrakenDaughter,
Just read the Sophie interview. It’s really great! Now on to the others…
EDIT. Oh, I’d already read the one with Liam and Carice.
More newz pleaszzz. i need mur detailsz ON THE NEW fricken’ SEASOn 5/V!! OMG MAN. THATS THE . THATS THE. THATS THE.
Great interviews, good find!
I was wondering, is anyone else expecting character posters before the premiere? I’m sure last year we got them weeks before, maybe they’re not releasing them this year?
Sue the Fury,
Sue,
We love you (Rygar mostly.) Disconnect your internet and keep looking for eggs. Fuck people who give you shit on a Sunday AND a holiday! But where is MY review of the 4 episodes?!??
Ser Blount Sarkasm,
She did say Monday. Let’s be patient 😉
I wish people would keep political stuff off here. I come to WotW to read about Game of Thrones.
Wimsey,
De-lurking the week before Season 5 begins to offer kudos to you for describing exactly why “the beetle scene” is so crucial and why it was so well done.
I always find it effective, touching, and critical to our understanding of Tyrion. In the marathon-watching prior to Season 5, I’ve probably viewed that scene 10 times now and I am always moved by it.
Kun-kun-kun (in a good way) to you, ser.
The Hugos are the perfect example of why you don’t let just anyone wander in and vote on (let alone nominate!) your awards. Ugh.
Brando: “Rightwing extremist, right. Even if you are correct, just because some jackass has twisted views doesn’t mean he’s ‘rightwing’”
Except that, y’know, in this case Vox Day starts off his intro to his list of recommended Hugo nominees with “We of the science fiction Right . . . .” His “Rabid Puppies” list along with Brad Torgerson’s (who labels himself a “small ‘c’ conservative” LDS writer) “Sad Puppies 3” list were the ones whose favorites dominated the nominations. Vox Day was the one who put “The Mountain and the Viper” on his list, so if you think another episode should have been the nominee, blame him. (Better yet, blame the two of them for the “famous” John C. White’s RECORD SIX HUGO NOMINATIONS!!)
My take: Vox doesn’t like GRRM (and vice-versa) but really hated Oberyn due to his ambiguous sexuality, so perhaps his recommendation is based on his pleasure at the Viper’s demise.
It is a mess, but it’s certainly nowhere near as simple as ‘C’ suggests it is. Many right wing authors have come together to form a bit of a pact, using precedented methods of suggesting a slate. They said they had to do this because specific authors (some with pretty vile views) were being cast out of the community, and they couldn’t have their work considered. One author, Sarah Hoyt, says that even being a libertarian or a conservative is enough to see you permanently exiled.
Anyway, this has resonated among others because of this sort of battle over free speech at the moment, and many liberals have flung their weight behind these social conservatives, demanding their work be judged on its merit rather than the political views of the authors.
In other words: a mess.
PS- Hal Winslow’s Old Buddy,
I share none of Vox Day’s social views (or economic), we’re polar opposites. But having spoken with him, and read some of the other authors’ stuff on this (particularly Hoyt’s), I think they have a case, and are indeed genuine when they say their goal is simply to have their works judged on their own merit.
Sue the Fury,
Easter is not a thing in my country, sorry for sounding entiteled, i hope you had great time with the family.
That explains what slow news weekend this has been, i still found this great interview with the SS, The actrss playing Obara said she’s been a fan of the books long before the show and she campained for the role after seeing Pedro and realising she could pass as his daughter :
http://nypost.com/2015/04/06/meet-the-newest-badass-beauties-of-game-of-thrones/
KrakenDaughter,
Woah, I didn’t know that. That’s cool!
The more I read about the Sand Snakes the more I see they’re portraying them correctly, despite initial fears. Of course, many people didn’t like them to begin with, which is understandable. Personally, I’m looking forward to seeing the three of them.
MAJOR SPOILERS from the first 4 episodes
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/95104068.html
I thought the Mountain and the Viper was one of the weakest episodes of the season. I didn’t like how they just tacked the fight on at the end without any build up. Oberyn deserved at least one scene before the fight, preferably with Ellaria. The Laws of Gods and Men and Mockingbird were far better imo.
Joffrey’s Cunt,
Well, it’s nice to see they will acknowledge the marriage to Tyrion. I suspect this is also how Littlefinger plans to get around this issue in the books. It was speculated by many that this would be the case, of course.
Oh, and the Shireen bit confirms the stone men live in Valyria in the show. So that’s where Tyrion and his companion will go then. No change in geography needed.
Luka Nieto,
Nice spoilers.
Luka Nieto,
Luka Nieto,
I think they will be fan favorites, the fact that we haven’t met them and yet so many websites and blogs are talking about them shows how popular they will be.
Yes the whole “Charlie’s Angel” vibe will be critisized but i have a feeling at the end of the season we’re gonna see a lot of SS cosplays.
KrakenDaughter,
Some people cannot but criticize female characters who are “cool for the sake of cool” (not that I’m saying the Sand Snakes will be only that), yet they don’t seem to have any issues with male characters who are the same.
Joffrey’s Cunt,
Oh god, not that place. It’s funny the “fans” on that site treated the show like it was the second coming during season 1 but now you won’t find a single place on the internet that is more hostile to the show. It’s such hive community. It used to be a fun politically incorrect celebrity gossip site but then tumblr happened and the community got tumblrized.
This guy on IMDB has detailed spoilers from the first 4 episodes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/242257066
I’m not sure if we are allowed to post links to spoilers like this so go ahead and delete it if it needs to be.
Luka Nieto,
Exactly, you can have as many all- male action teams or a team with a girl or two in there and no one would bat an eye because it’s the “norm “( Ghostbusters , The Avengers: 5 males 1 female , JL = 6 males 1= female………..ect)
But do a gender swap and for some reason that automatically makes it “a cliche” and “fan service”.
Joffrey’s Cunt,
I immediately regreted reading it after seeing
KrakenDaughter,
Yeah. Male power fantasies are ubiquitous and rarely challenged. There’s a reason the “Mary Sue” archetype is a criticism almost exclusively directed towards women —the fact is, if Batman was a Batwoman, she’d be considered insufferably unrealistic by many of the same people who love Batman. The same goes for the Sand Snakes. Few would have a problem with their “fan service coolness” if they were men. There are many examples in GoT already.
The 10 min time limit on editing is really stupid, especially when there’s no delete option.
JamesL,
The hysterical over-the-top reaction comments are pretty funny. Like Season 1 wasn’t filled with violence, sex and nudity. . .
I just reread all that reddit stuff , I don’t even know why they had barriston find dany in season 3 , what did he do ? And his war speech of the battle of meereen was my favorite war speech in the story. That sucks
I’m sooo sad
Grand maester giz,
Grand maester giz,
D n d are pieces of sht and George Better write this faster. In all reality him taking years off appears that it’s hurting the story if stannis dies this year , we should all boy cot hbo
HelloThere,
Yea, I think HBO pressures them to trim the cast as much as they can. People forgot how huge this cast is and how much that costs. I am disappointed about him dying though.
HelloThere,
That’s an optimistic way to look at it but the tuffest fighter in the world fought no one ? Am I wrong
We saw barriston fight no one he had like 20 lines in 4 seasons
Grand maester giz,
What if Briene kills stannis on the show ?
Grand maester giz,
Sure she does
HelloThere,
Exactly. Get used to apparent changes being revelations about unpublished books. Not that I think that particular theory will actually happen, personally.
Luka Nieto,
I needed the war speech
Grand maester giz,
That sounds ridiculous and D&D would never do that unless that is what GRRM has planned for the books.
JamesL,
Well, she has the motivation. It’s ridiculous… unless GRRM does it? How does that work? But yes, I agree that it probably won’t happen, and that if it happens in the show it means it will happen in TWOW as well.
Grand maester giz,
Luka Nieto
Luka Nieto,
Still how sad r you that you read that reddit page,
I wish I wouldn’t of even read the books after last season ,
I needed the war speech
Grand maester giz,
Meh. I’m in it for the cinematography on display, the wonderful acting and dialogue, the great character moments and their stories in general —the twists, not so much. I’ve been spoiled on most things since the beginning. I don’t care about spoilers. Not as much as many people here do, at least.
I understand those who are pissed when they’re spoiled, though. But personally, being told the twists and turns “spoils” nothing, or not much anyway. Watching it happen out of order, without the proper context, may very well spoil the experience. Hearing about it does not.
JamesL,
I’m bit confused about what speech you’re this? Is it in a TWOW sample chapter?
After seeing how they brought up the Sons of the Harpy to the forefront it’s obvious that they’re skipping the Battle of Meereen, or altering majorly and
KrakenDaughter,
It’s in the second Barristan TWOW sample chapter, if I recall correctly.
In order to do the Battle of Meereen (which takes place without Dany being present), you would need to introduce a number of new characters that would not be relevant to future seasons. Otherwise, it’s just some spectacle with no recognizable faces on either side and very little in the way of stakes with Dany being removed from the action.
Additionally, if you want all the stuff with Barristan after Daznak’s, you need to create the political intrigue within Meereen with the multiple characters all as suspects to be the Harpy. And then you have to find faces for the Yunkai who would be attacking in order to make the battle mean anything.
Think about how many characters you have to include and build up for the audience:
Reznak, Shavepate (and Brazen Beasts), Green Grace, Tattered Prince etc. All to be dispatched with as soon as Dany decides to trek to Westeros.
This was the right choice and if you’re cutting everything after Daznak’s pretty much, and Selmy dies in the books, then you’re better off killing him in tragic fashion as part of the Harpy war in order to brand them as a legitimate threat.
Awesome. Come on a thread about the Hugo win and get blasted with uncovered S5 spoilers from the show. I’ll take responsibility for not avoiding this place but shame on you. Shame. Shame. We know your name.
Well now that I know that
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Luka Nieto,
I think it is far fetched either way and I can’t imagine them doing something like that unless GRRM had planned it that way. But even if GRRM plans on doing this I still think it is ridiculous. Maybe in future books it will could make more sense but as of now where the story is
seems ridiculous and out of nowhere.
Rygar,
I think I spoiler tagged all my comments. However, Grand maester giz doesn’t seem to be concerned at all about spoiling anyone, despite saying he’s sorry for having read the spoilers. Maybe he isn’t aware of the rule, or of how to do it…?
JamesL,
Like Meereen, this site has been infiltrated by the Sons of the Harpy.
Luka Nieto,
Thanks. But you spoiled the show earlier about
Rygar,
I meant that the show wouldn’t forget that Tyrion and Sansa are married. That’s not a spoiler; they are married, and have been for a few seasons now. And I didn’t say the stone men would be at Volantis. Also, the words “stone men” aren’t a spoiler, and neither is the fact that they changed their location.
Luka Nieto,
I haven’t read the books in a while so I forget a lot of this stuff, maybe it is not that random after all. I still think it is highly unlikely to happen this season though.
Luka Nieto,
Still its a plot spoiler and it doesnt take a genius to figure out what that could potentially mean. Sorry meant Valariya, not Volantis.
Rygar,
What is? That Sansa and Tyrion are married? That something called “stone men” exist? The rest was mere speculation. Suggestive? Maybe, but only to book readers —saying “something that happens in the books may happen in the show” shouldn’t really be a spoiler, now, should it? Still, I do apologize.
Hodor’s Bastard,
JamesL,
JamesL,
HelloThere,
No one has watched episode five, where the cliffhanger will presumably be resolved. Until then, until May 10, none of us will know for sure.
HelloThere,
I’ll be even more sad about Barristan dying if it turns out he was the actor who wrote the letter to David and Dan trying to convince them to keep his character alive.
King Tommen,
Personally I thought they’d save the battle of merreen for next season ( with yunkai) I thought they’d switch it around to give George more time to write the story , having the harpy be the major drama in her story and the I thought the last scene
Would be dany riding on drogons back while her forces planned the battle of meereen , this way they could have built it up , like it’s a good oppurtunity for a yunkish attack since dany left with drogon . Personally I want as many seasons as possible and it seemed as if they we’re adding certain things to keep the audience guessing , (with Tyrion getting there) around the time dany left
I read barriston gets stabbed
Like 40 times fade to black
Grand maester giz,
Grand maester giz,
You really should learn to spoiler tag your posts. I slip up every now and then, too often I admit, but you’ve tagged none of your posts. By now, you have to be doing it on purpose. Do you get pleasure in spoiling people or what?
And anyway, as I said, we will not know for sure until May 10.
I’m
Operating from
A cracked I phone and this site will just delete our comments in a few hours anyway
I’m not doing it on purpose . I’ll leave my comments more spaced out from
Now on
Grand maester giz,
Not if you don’t spoil people.
And what, your cracked iPhone lacks square brackets?
HelloThere,
JamesL,
It would also give you a reason why he’s not at Daznak’s Pit with Dany if he has been dispatched to guard the dragons.
Luka Nieto,
I don’t know why you guys just don’t listen to me from the getgo. It would save everyone a lot of heartache.
Luka Nieto,
But Im not too attached to that battle… considering it hasn’t even happened yet, lol.
The first few seasons the show was very slow paced next to the books 4 seasons 3 books . I mean to me that was always the point of adding people who don’t talk in the books, it’s awesome to see them talk and reacte to people you didn’t here from
In the pov , crasters keep, certain ways they write before this season , I felt it was written in a way where if let’s say they need 9 seasons now they could do it with a lil backstory, visions , prophecies this way they have more time to tell it. Reading what I read this morning , I can’t even imagine it passin 7 seasons and in reality I dunno how long winds and a dream
Of spring will be , what if we miss all the fine points of the next few books , think of martins oringinal plot ? It’s way diff entr than the show
How do
You know the end
Of the story? He don’t he knows where some
People end up but every week there’s an article about
Him not being close to finished . Hbo bought 6 books for game of thrones
To adapt now it’s 7 now he’s thinking of changes the show couldn’t addapt , pacing on certain storyline is the only way both story’s line end
Closer together (book
And show) IT LOOKS LIKE THE END will be diffrent so if you don’t read the books you just watch the show , now what you gotta wait 6 years to read the real ending . I dunno I’m
Done rambling about it . I’m sure it’s gonna be great to
WAtch but I’m worried about
How it ends and if the book readers and tv show people get the same thing from it ????
Luka Nieto,
I thought u just spaced it out more
HelloThere,
King Tommen,
You may very well be right. You were right about most things, IIRC.
King Tommen,
But then again, who knows… whatever they decide, im sure will work
See! This is what I was saying a few days ago. People will literally forgive any changes D&D make under the banner of necessity. I’m afraid my response is, well, perhaps their best just isn’t good enough.
PS- got a bit of a shock when I realised just there that clicking spoiler tags will give me actual spoilers again. XD
HelloThere,
The main thing is to wrap up Meereen ASAP and get her on her way to Westeros because her stalling in Meereen is one of Martin’s cardinal sins in the series and it looks like the show is aware of this.
Come on people, COVER YOUR SPOILERS. Lots of people will see these things before they are deleted and will be upset. It really is unacceptable. We want people to come to this site to discuss what could happen, not to unexpectedly see what is going to happen. I expect we will have some new people visit the site during the season, and we don’t want to drive them away straight away.
Chriss,
Or maybe…. fitting a piece of work that was written to be “unadaptable” onscreen requires sacrifices
I definitely understand the necessity, that doesn’t mean that the changes themselves will be good.
Like Dany in season 2… Her Qarth book story line wouldn’t have been good TV. So I totally understand that they needed to change it. I just didn’t like what they did.
Also, why shouldn’t we “forgive” them if we personally aren’t bothered in the slightest by it.
No one says it doesn’t require sacrifices, and I understand what adaptation means, and I even understand that their goal is to get to the same end point, but with some short cuts. However, I’m also of the mind that sometimes, the journey is just as important as the destination.
For example, if I’m going on a cruise around the world, I’d rather it went to various landmarks than the most direct route. If they continue lopping off parts of the books which were big for ‘necessity’, then they’re failing.
But let’s be honest. They gave up after book 3. They burnt out. They just want it finished now. Hence 7 seasons.
Chriss,
Why don’t we wait and see once it ends.
Its ridiculous to just say “they are burnt out”.
They aren’t gonna just toss aside the biggest project either of them will ever have in their lives.
Chriss,
Once they got past the 3rd book, the number of cool landmarks they could journey by dropped off drastically.
What does it tell you that even by combining 2 huge books, they are only going to end up detailing 3-4 big “moments” on the show this season? And one of them (Hardhome) they had to create on their own by beefing up an offhand paragraph in the books?
If you really, really want the show to become a massive travelogue of multiple characters all splitting off from each other and taking entire seasons to make it to their destinations while encountering numerous unnecessary characters along the way, then that’s probably the easiest way for it to lose much of its buzz and audience and leave themselves with the hardcores for the series end.
It tells me that they’re completely burnt out.
Because I can think of plenty of big moments in book 4 and 5 which could have actually been improved by a good adaptation. Particularly Cersei and Dany’s storyline. The way to do that is not to strip it down to its skeleton, and only the essential bits. I don’t know how to do spoiler tags, so I’ll just say Jon, Dany, Cersei, Brienne, and some Dornish stuff alone would have given numerous high points. Especially Jon, for obvious reasons.
Also, it’s good to remember that it was the intrigue, not the set pieces that got people hooked in the first place.
Oooh spoilers!
I’m so happy about the Shireeen scene – she doesn’t die and Valyria name-checked, yay! – but also very sad about Barristan. But with Tyrion on the scene, T will be advisor enough for Daenerys in Mereen. Doubtful that GW dies, since the show needs a recognizable Unsullied for that aspect of the storyline. I haven’t read books, so I don’t know about book battles, but it is highly doubtful that the show will stage any huge battles anywhere unless one or more of the three, D, T or J are also present. No other characters will do. Cersei seems all-out evil. Brienne – WTF? You better do something worthwhile instead of more wandering around the Westeros countryside.
While I respect the commitment of people who want to follow the books to a T, there is a degree of delusion to arguing there are lots of big plot points covered in books 4 and 5.
It is not possible to cover the entirety of both of those books in one season, and it would be dramatically inert to drag them both out on television to the extent GRRM did. So you have to cut and make decisions which serve the adaptation.
I am actually more concerned about smaller changes which could have large ripple effects down stream than I am big plot points. Jaime still respecting and having affection for Cersei in the show seems a minor point but one that could have drastic implications later, as an example.
But the broad act of trimming things shows practicality not a feeling they’re burnt out. Imo anyway.
Chriss,
If you think that anything Brienne did in AFFC was worthy of adapting, then you’d be in the minority.
I appreciate that there are some fans who enjoyed the meandering of the last 2 books but the majority of the fanbase did not. And the show can’t cater to the minority.
Chriss,
You’re trying to defend the indefensible here, a half of ASoS had more big moments 1800 pages borefest that is book 4 and 5.
Chriss,
Kay,
Please COVER YOUR SPOILERS To do this type [ Spoiler ] at the start, and [ /Spoiler ] at the end, but without the gaps.
Also, I disagree that D&D are burnt out. Books 4 and 5 adapted as faithfully as Season 1 (or any season) would have been awful TV. It is their hardest season to adapt, and even if they even do it 70% right, I would see it as their greatest achievement yet.
Right. How do you do spoiler tags?
Edit: thanks, Jeb.
Okay, I’ll write up more in detail just what I’m suggesting. But I can’t do it on this iPad, so please check back a little bit later. I would be interested in your opinions.
Because I am certainly not suggesting that we need a word for word adaptation of books 4 and 5.
Another Sophie Turner interview, seems like helf of this year’s interviews are with her ( not that i’m complaining ) the press must love her
She said this ( mild spoilers ):
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/03/game-thrones-sophie-turner-interview-season-5
Review from Polygon.com Game of Thrones Season 5: Why We Love It So Far
http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/6/8352877/game-of-thrones-season-5-review
TheMannis,
Polygon. Shudder.
Oh, God. Not just Polygon. But Ben Kuchera.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/6/8352877/game-of-thrones-season-5-review
new review
TheMannis,
That’s a great review, gives general impressions on what to expect without going into spoilers, and after hearing all the praise for the Stannis scene i’m hyped.
And I think a lot of Chriss’s fears may prove unwarranted because it seems like the focus will be on rich character development, great dialogue, dealing with the aftermath of the previous season, and moving the pieces forward for the future.
That is exactly what books 4/5 do, they are just re shifting the focus to the main characters
Perfect, IMO
I do indeed hope so.
That review was encouraging. This article starts out with a tiny on-set description of a eulogy:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/season-hbo-hit-game-thrones-set-start-article-1.2170039
KrakenDaughter,
Yeah, very nice review. I’m really glad that it appears they are letting the story breath a little bit. I know some people were worried when it became obvious that AFFC and ADWD would be crammed into one season, but this doesn’t seem to be the case at all. Like the reviewer says, some people might not like it, which I understand, but I think the season/show will be better for it at the end.
Jeb,
And there is a huge diffrence between letting it the story breath and bring in it to a hault, which would have happened if they stick close to AFFC/ADWD. Proves why condesing’em to a season was a good choice.
KrakenDaughter,
I would actually say 1.5 seasons, cuz season 4 hit quite a lot of material from them
HelloThere,
season 4 was 90% ASoS or show-only material , and almost half of Stannis/Jon storylines from this season will be adapted from ASoS, Add to that elements from TWOW in other people storylines and you’ll be back at my rough estimate of 1 season
On a non-relevant thread no less. You guys….
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Thanks! I had been doing it wrong, perhaps that’s why they are not showing!