[Updated] Game of Thrones cast arrives in Belfast for season 6 filming

Now that the buzz of this year’s San Diego Comic-Con has calmed down somewhat, the cast and crew of Game of Thrones are returning to Belfast to begin filming season 6.

After recently confirming beyond all doubt that Bran will return to our screens in season 6, Isaac Hempstead-Wright also confirmed via Twitter that he is back in Belfast and ready for filming.

Dean-Charles Chapman is also back, and passing the time by signing posters.

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A photo posted by Dean Charles Chapman (@deancchapman) on

Staying with the Baratheons Lannisters, Nell Tiger Free was in Belfast two weeks ago, and judging by recent Twitter activity between her, Dean and Isaac, it seems as though she may be there currently. Another Charles Dance-esque cameo, perhaps?

 

Sophie Turner was spotted by and photographed with a fan in Belfast’s Victoria Square yesterday.

Maisie Williams may be back in Belfast, too, judging by the following tweet. However, getting jet lag on a flight from England to Northern Ireland is pretty much impossible. It’s more likely that she has simply returned home from San Diego, and is preparing to travel to Belfast (or has already made the journey in the midst of jet lag).

UPDATE: It looks like Eugene Simon is back, too, for another Lancel Sandwich.

And now Dean is leaving again. Hmm.

Bye Belfast !! 👋🏻 see you soon A photo posted by Dean Charles Chapman (@deancchapman) on

Finally, apparently Kit Harington was spotted in Belfast airport earlier today. This marks the second time in as many weeks that he has been in Northern Ireland.

More cast sightings will inevitably show up on social media within the next few days. Thanks in advance to any fans who help in notifying us.

In the meantime, why not take a look at our suggestions post, and make your voice heard as to what additions/modifications you would like to see on the site.

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    1. I’m pretty sure Dean, Nell, and Bran weren’t hanging out in Belfast. According to Dean’s twitter, he flew there yesterday.

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    2. Out of curiosity, I wonder what Lena Headey’s filming schedule will be like considering she very recently had her newborn. I suppose it’ll just be a matter of pushing her material to the end of the shoot. Congrats to her! 🙂

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    3. I have to say, Isaac (Bran) doesn’t look very Bran-ish to me any longer. He has a more mature face. No tweener chubby cheeks. Reference the photo in one of the topics just below this one from the end of season 4. That is going to be awkward.

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    4. Jet lag when flying from Florida is horrendous. I’d imagine from San Diego it’d be absolute hell.
      Unless you can sleep on the plane, which I never can.

      It always used to take me at least two weeks to recover, now it takes two years.
      It’s put me off long-haul flying.
      Going is fine.

      Why on earth do flights going from US to UK leave in the evening?
      I know you get an extra day but it’d be nice to have a choice.

      I suppose flying first class makes it easier, but I wouldn’t sleep even if I had my own bed and total silence,
      I can’t even sleep in a strange house/hotel without a pill. :-((

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    5. Almasy:
      Out of curiosity, I wonder what Lena Headey’s filming schedule will be like considering she very recently had her newborn. I suppose it’ll just be a matter of pushing her material to the end of the shoot. Congrats to her!

      Her biggest problem will be sleep deprivation and coping with her older child, too. She could just pay for some help. If she’s well rested she ought to be fine within a month. If not it could take a lot longer.

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    6. JCDavis:
      I have to say,Isaac (Bran) doesn’t look very Bran-ish to me any longer.He has a more mature face. No tweener chubby cheeks.Reference the photo in one of the topics just below this one from the end of season 4.That is going to be awkward.

      His eyes look a lot smaller and his nose looks a lot bigger relative to his child self. He looks really good in the occasional selfie and in his Twitter headshot, and he looks like he could be related to Kit Harington, which is kind of cool. The glasses he wears at pretty much every event do him no favours, though.

      Here’s hoping he has a better wig in Season 6. Better yet, he should ditch the wig altogether. He has great hair.

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    7. JCDavis,

      I’m sure they’re gonna use a lot of make up on him and smart camera angles to make him look smaller and younger. I’m not worried.
      Now, if they could also improve on Bloodraven’s design, that would be great.

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    8. Methinks DCC should enjoy all that boring poster signing considering this might be his last season on the show.

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    9. JCDavis,

      Yes, he looks older, but whatever. I don’t want him to be recasted. He is a good actor, and character can have 15 years

      season 6

      Jon – 22 years
      Sansa – 17
      Arya – 16
      Bran – 15
      Rickon – 13
      Tommen – 15, 16 ?

      Every season is one year, except season 4, so we can say that 5 years passed since the beginning… At the end of S6 it will be 5 years since episode 1…

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    10. I think it’s fine that the actor playing Bran no longer looks like a kid…because an episode last season gave us a hint that they are not keeping the same time table in the show that exists in the books. They continue to age things up. They told us in the pilot Jon Snow and Dany for example were 17. Last season in the episode with Tyrion and Dany, Dany says “for the last 20 years” so she will be at least 20 or 21 now in the show version. So Bran should be now between 12-14 in the show version depending on his age in the pilot and first season which was probably 9-11. So it’s not a big to me because I’m not supposed to think he’s 10 years old in the show version.

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    11. It is just annoying to me that for some fans, the most important thing about Bran is that he is child.

      geeg,

      When Dany said that?

      In S4 Cersei said that she is the queen for 20 years. So in S5 it was 21, and in S6 it will be 22.

      So it will be 5 years since S1 and in S1 Bran had 10 years. Bran in S6 will have between 14 and 15 years,

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    12. JCDavis:
      I have to say,Isaac (Bran) doesn’t look very Bran-ish to me any longer.He has a more mature face. No tweener chubby cheeks.Reference the photo in one of the topics just below this one from the end of season 4.That is going to be awkward.

      Yeah, his growth spurt between S2 and S3 is jaw dropping. The show must be fun for his parents to watch, its like Boyhood playing out on television for them.

      The show lucked out with Maisie and Sophie. Maisie still retains the tomboyish features and hasn’t gotten too much taller, and Sophie was a tall tween, so its not as noticeable now that she’s a full grown woman.

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    13. mau:

      Every season is one year, except season 4, so we can say that 5 years passed since the beginning… At the end of S6 it will be 5 years since episode 1…

      Hmmm, I don’t think it’s been five years. Every season covers about 6 months, so after five seasons, two and a half years have passed. Three years at the most. Just because Sophie, Maisie, Isaac, etc. are much older and look older, that doesn’t mean their characters are as old as they are and a lot of time has passed in the show.

      Jon, Dany – 20, 21 years
      Sansa – 15
      Arya – 13
      Bran – 12
      Rickon – 10, 11
      Tommen – 13, 14
      Jaime/Cersei – 40, 41
      Tyrion – 35, 36

      When the series ends at 7/7.5/8 seasons, five years will have passed total from the beginning of the story.

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    14. Flora Linden: Hmmm, I don’t think it’s been five years. Every season covers about 6 months, so after five seasons, two and a half years have passed.

      I don’t think so. Jaime said that he was imprisoned for 1 year, and he was a prisoner for 1 season.

      It has been 3 years since the beginning in S4. Cersei said that. So at the end of S6 it will be near 5 years.

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    15. Ravyn:
      So who’s getting the Sopranos walk this week?

      Could be Tommen. That is the low hanging fruit to me.

      Bronn. I thought he would get “the walk” last season.

      Either Bolton or both. Just because I want to see this. 🙂

      Mel. With Stannis gone and if she doesn’t bring back Jon, not sure what her purpose is after that.

      (to me this is the perfect message board thread, but glad to see it either way, nice to speculate what could happen since pretty much no one knows but D & D and GRRM)

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    16. Ashara Dayne: Her biggest problem will be sleep deprivation and coping with her older child, too. She could just pay for some help. If she’s well rested she ought to be fine within a month. If not it could take a lot longer.

      HBO will happily pay that bill.

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    17. mau:

      I don’t think so. Jaime said that he was imprisoned for 1 year, and he was a prisoner for 1 season.

      Point taken. But for a war prisoner, chained in one place under terrible conditions indefinitely, time gets blurry. What is nine, ten months feels like a year – or an eternity.

      To me it doesn’t feel like five years have passed. Three at the most, but not five.

      It’s all good, we’ll agree to disagree. 🙂

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    18. I love Isaac and I’m really glad he’s back but he looks nothing like a Stark or a Tully. But, you win some, you lose some, when you cast child actors. I always think of that scene when Catelyn tells him that he always looks at his feet when he lies and how dang cute he was there.

      This is all starting to get exciting. Hopefully some castings come out in the next week!

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    19. Ashara Dayne: Her biggest problem will be sleep deprivation and coping with her older child, too. She could just pay for some help. If she’s well rested she ought to be fine within a month. If not it could take a lot longer.

      It’s so weird to me.. You say it takes you two years to get over a long-flight jetlag, but getting back from birthing a baby should be fine within a month? I’ve never had jetlag problems (even though I have flown from distances like Maisie is referring to) and I am a dude, but that seems like a weird estimate, wouldn’t getting back on top after the birth take at least a bit longer than within a months time?

      Balerion The Cat:
      JCDavis,
      I’m sure they’re gonna use a lot of make up on him and smart camera angles to make him look smaller and younger. I’m not worried.
      Now, if they could also improve on Bloodraven’s design, that would be great.

      I thought the general consensus was that Alex Graves ran out of money. It’s been one season since we saw him, so they could potentially fix the wrongs they did on Bloodraven, particularly having two eyes.. How many eyes does Bloodraven have? 999 and 2.. o.o Considering this shows love of attacking the eyes, you would wonder why they didn’t go there in the first place.

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    20. Any thoughts on Brienne? Any chance Ramsey witnessed her death blow to Stannis? Would he capture and accuse her of regicide twice? Maybe Pod will kill Rams to get her back?

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    21. Nell Tiger Free is there because, just like the other 2 shock deaths at the end of last season, she isn’t dead, she’ll be this years snow white and Cersei will know the pain Cat felt at Bran’s bedside.

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    22. Weirwood Leaf:
      Any thoughts on Brienne? Any chance Ramsey witnessed her death blow to Stannis? Would he capture and accuse her of regicide twice?Maybe Pod will kill Rams to get her back?

      I doubt it. If anything,

      Brienne is likely headed towards introducing Randyll Tarly and the Quiet Isle

      considering the castings. Ramsey is likely heading is hunt towards the Wall considering what he told Sansa prior to her escape.

      where he could get caught by some Northern Lords?
      Ramsey for AA?

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    23. Ser Oromis Locke:
      I thought the general consensus was that Alex Graves ran out of money. It’s been one season since we saw him, so they could potentially fix the wrongs they did on Bloodraven, particularly having two eyes.. How many eyes does Bloodraven have? 999 and 2.. o.o

      Well, he doesn’t need to have only one eye to have a thousand eyes and one.

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    24. JCDavis: Could be Tommen. That is the low hanging fruit to me.

      Bronn. I thought he would get “the walk” last season.

      Either Bolton or both.Just because I want to see this.

      Mel.With Stannis gone and if she doesn’t bring back Jon, not sure what her purpose is after that.

      (to me this is the perfect message board thread, but glad to see it either way, nice to speculate what could happen since pretty much no one knows but D & D and GRRM)

      I think it’ll be Ramsay, and early on, a la Joffrey. Nothing against Iwhan but the character is so one note its gotten tiresome. Even Joffrey at least had layers of insecurity that made him somewhat intriguing. But other than Mel, I don’t see any of those deaths as big ones. Hopefully, not Sansa or Arya, at least not until they’ve had a reunion.

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    25. Whoo hoo! Filming time is almost as fun as the in season. Especially now that we don’t know what’s going on plot-wise anymore. There should be some fun speculation ahead. More so in Sept. and Oct. when they’re doing the location filming in Spain and Croatia though. Belfast is always more under wraps.

      Here’s an interview with Liam Cunningham
      http://io9.com/can-ser-davos-help-clean-up-one-of-game-of-thrones-big-1717919465

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    26. Ravyn,

      I agree that this is probably the last season for Ramsay. They’ve gone so overboard with showing how terrible and powerful he is that I’m almost certain that they’re building up to a gruesome death.

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    27. ^
      I do not expect Ramsay to die that early, ep 5 or 6 sounds almost right. Dunno who kills him, I guess Reek would be nice or Davos.

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    28. Moonlight,

      I think S6 will be the last season for Ramsay, Roose, Ellaria, Balon, Alliser Thorne, Olly and Walder Frey.

      Maybe even Melisandre.

      Daario or Jorah or GW will die. Kevan, Pycelle and maybe Qyburn.

      The Mountain and Tommen will probably die. Maybe Yara.

      S6 will be bloody for sure.

      And than for the last season(extended or not) Cersei, LF, Jaime, Euron, HS,…

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    29. Tommen has to go. Foretold already to Cersie in the flashback S501. That makes way for the “younger queen” Margaery? Danys? Sansa?

      It pretty much depends on how much they “fast track” the episodes. IF Danys is reached by Jorah/Daario, then one of them could be pushin’ up daisies.

      IF we have Ramsay/Roose in something other than being preoccupied with finding Sansa/Theon*Reek, it could be them.

      IF we get the *someone is killing people at the Red Keep* then Kevan, Pycelle and Qyburn.

      I believe that MOST of the main characters are okay for season 6, but oh I have been so surprised before and I am sure I will be again.

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    30. mau,

      That’s a lot! LOL!

      For me, I think that the following characters will get the sopranos walk:
      – Tommen
      – Jorah
      – Walder Frey (FINALLY)
      – Boltons (FINALLY)
      – The entire Night’s Watch
      – Another WW.. LOLs
      – One of the dragons 🙁
      – Ellaria

      hmmm… cant think of any more… theres a few more I’d like to see gone.
      Also, my list doesn’t include any “goodies” except Jorah… I hope none of the characters I like will die. lol.

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    31. mau,

      As mentioned in my post, Dany said that in one of her first scenes with Tyrion in season 5 when Tyrion references Varys. She talked about the guy trying to kill her the last 20 years. But in the first two episodes of the series, Catelyn mentions “17 years ago” in reference to Jon Snow. So it’s a dialogue hint that the show is aging with each season.

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    32. No way Olyvar gets out if this alive, too many powerful enemies and he knows too much about LF’s brothel. Tommen highly likely if all three of Cersei’s kids die before her and that could easily be the thing which tips her over the edge into full blown insanity (would he be poisoned like the other two or is that too obvious?).

      Not 100% convinced Myrcella is dead, poisoned certainly but we know there is an antidote which works even after the nose bleeding starts. I’ve seen a suggestion that Tyene passed an antidote to Bronn when doing her “bad pussy” thing. Or she could even have had poison on her teeth when she bit his ear, so he might be a goner too. Or maybe Trystane has the cure for some reason?

      It’s probably easier to guess who’ll still be alive at the very end, which is quite a short list. I reckon definitely gonna die: Balon; Cersei; Daario; Ellaria and at least one sand snake; Jorah; LF (caused by Sansa please!); Mace; the Mountain; Myrcella; the NW mutineers and probably most of the rest of them; Olenna; Olyvar; Pycelle; Qyburn; Ramsay; Roose; Theon; Tommen; Walder;

      Quite likely: Areo; Arya; Bronn; Doran; Grey Worm; High Sparrow; Jaime; Kevan; Lancel; Lhara; Loras; Margery; Melisandre; Meera; Missandei; Night’s King (if death is a possibility for him?); Osha; Robin Arryn; the remaining sand snakes; Tormund; Trystane; Tycho; Walda; Varys; Yohn Royce;

      Die right at the end: at least one of Dany; Jon; Tyrion;

      Good chance of survival: Bran; Brienne; Davos; Edd; Gilly; Hodor; Pod; Rickon: Sam; Sansa; Yara;

      No spoilers here, this is based on absolutely nothing but my imagination, but I think it’s gonna be a blood bath with whole houses gone forever. Don’t know much about the new roles being cast but obviously a load of them will die too!

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    33. Deesensfan,
      Arya reminds me of Star Wars (the original ones) where the Emperor goads Luke Skywalker into a light sabre battle by using the suffering of his (LS’s) friends. If she carries on the way she was with Meryn F. Trant I think she’s gonner, you have to be able to control yourself and pick your fights. If she’s able to do that I think her chances of survival go up quite a bit. I like Brienne, bless her, she’s well intentioned and I need almost all of the remaining ‘good’ characters to survive PLEASE! Shireen broke my heart, I need good things to happen to good people for the sake of my mental health. If one more horrible thing happens to Sansa I’m going to have to reach into the tv and rescue her myself! 😉

      EDIT: Dany I’m basing that on him being really young and not much of a threat to people who would want to kill him. However if he somehow becomes the last remaining Stark, or is perceived to be, the danger factor shoots up. I might have to work out betting odds that change as the story progresses.

      TLDR: virtually everyone dies 🙁

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    34. I just hope Doran executes the Sand Snakes in the first episode of Season 6. They probably started a war, isn’t that punishable by death?

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    35. I think tons of people are going to die next season to make space for season 7(.1?).
      Ramsay, Roose, Alliser Thorne, Missandei, Daario, Jorah, Margaery, Tommen, Kevan, Pycelle, Mountain, Yara, Ellaria, Olly, Balon…
      I do think Cersei, Jaime and Jon/Tyrion/Dany (at least one of them) will die, but it won’t be until the final season, if only because HBO regards them as A-tier actors.
      I’m actually making some ridiculously specific predictions on my Tumblr (am I allowed to link? I’m just going to link, delete it if it’s illegal Mr. Mod). http://superpowersam.tumblr.com/

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    36. How many seasons/years have passed since Gilly’s baby has been born? Dude looks the same ALL THE TIME.

      Based on Cersei’s fortune teller’s prediction, all her kids should die before her. I can see Cersei remaining alive at the end but quite mad. Kind of like the Mad Queen Joan from real history. Incidentally, one of my favourite scenes from this past season was Mad Cersei in the arms of quite unbalanced Gregor Clegane and surrounded by her quite mad small council. It set things up nicely for what should follow next season.

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    37. Ravyn:
      So who’s getting the Sopranos walk this week?

      Oh, this is fun. You could take legit bets on this now that the show is likely surpassing the books.

      I’d say the forecast isn’t looking too good for the Boltons this season. Ramsay is probably gonna die hunting for Theon and Sansa. Roose might die during Littlefinger’s siege of Winterfell, although I kinda hope he’ll retreat to the Dreadfort instead. He’s a good villain and I’d like him to stick around for a bit longer.

      If Davos finds out what really happened to Shireen, Mel might not be long for the world. Davos has already tried to kill her once, and Stannis isn’t around to stop him a second time.

      Jorah is living on borrowed time of course, and I think Daario might discover Jorah’s little secret on their journey to find Dany and be killed to keep it quiet.

      All of the mutineers at Castle Black could be in trouble if Jon does come back. I think the Watch are gonna try and cover their tracks and pin Jon’s death on someone else (possibly Olly). If the truth were to get out, it might cause half of the Watch to take up arms against the other half. I doubt Thorne, Marsh, Yarwyck, etc. would survive the ordeal.

      It’s two down, one to go on Maggie’s prophecy, so Tommen is surely on the chopping block. His uncle Kevan (who I kinda hope is fleshed out a little more before he bites it) and Pycelle might join him.

      Other characters who could die are Grey Worm or Missandei perhaps trying to release Viserion and Rhaegal (I really hope not), and maybe even Walder Frey since the actor said he’d return eventually and it seems we might see some Riverlands stuff this season.

      Those are just the “obvious” ones. Unexpected deaths are also to be expected, so that means Tyrion, Varys, Cersei, Jaime, Arya, Sansa, and pretty much everyone else we know and care about could die. Like mau said, it’ll probably be a bloody season all around.

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    38. Sam,
      Woah, lot of thought gone into that. We should try and guess the title of the last ever episode, I’m down for either Oh Fuuuuuuuuuuuuk!/Didn’t see THAT coming did you? type things or along the lines of And so it begins again/Dream of spring/something implying a new start. Or maybe just !?!?!?!?! 😉

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    39. Deesensfan:
      mau,

      That’s a lot! LOL!

      For me, I think that the following characters will get the sopranos walk:
      – Tommen
      – Jorah
      – Walder Frey (FINALLY)
      – Boltons (FINALLY)
      – The entire Night’s Watch
      – Another WW.. LOLs
      – One of the dragons
      – Ellaria

      hmmm… cant think of any more… theresa few more I’d like to see gone.
      Also, my list doesn’t include any “goodies” except Jorah… I hope none of the characters I like will die. lol.

      Also, just one woman. Say what you want, this show is sexually biased as heck. How many women have died in comparison to men since Season 3? 3? Lysa, Shireen and Myrcella. Have I missed any?

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    40. clouddragon: I just hope Doran executes the Sand Snakes in the first episode of Season 6. They probably started a war, isn’t that punishable by death?

      Unless, of course, that was completely by Doran’s design! 😀 I find it extremely hard to fathom that the Doran who said he loved his brother (and likely his sister too!) would actually welcome the thought of his only son marrying a Lannister, such that future Dorne rulers would have Lannister blood! Doran may have ensured that Myrcella died away from Dornish land, on a boat, on which Bronn can conveniently attest that Tyene used the same sort of poison on him. The Martells can easily convince the Lannisters that the unfortunate murder was by a mad fringe fraction of Oberyn’s family, helped by Trystane’s “mad grief” over her death. Doran agrees to “punish” them, but they may have conveniently disappeared. But in the end, Doran achieves his primary goal, having Trystane on the Small Council and free from a marriage vow with the detested Lannisters.

      Lulu’s Mum: If one more horrible thing happens to Sansa I’m going to have to reach into the tv and rescue her myself!

      I would like a change of pace. Have Sansa continue to “rescue” Theon, instead of being the perpetual “lady in peril needing to be rescued.”

      Ser Oromis Locke,
      You missed Shae.

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    41. Ser Oromis Locke,

      Ygritte, Shae, Myranda, Karsi, Selyse…

      I also think you have to consider the contexts of each death, for example the all-male NW has a very high death count for obvious reasons.

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    42. Ser Oromis Locke: Also, just one woman. Say what you want, this show is sexually biased as heck. How many women have died in comparison to men since Season 3? 3? Lysa, Shireen and Myrcella. Have I missed any?

      Ygritte, Selyse, Myranda, Karsi, that woman who tried to help Sansa, maybe the Waif although it’s hard to say. Various brothel workers and wives of Craster.

      There are also a lot more men in the cast then there are women. Proportionately, I think it’s probably pretty similar.

      Are you seriously trying to make the argument that this show is misandry. LOL. I guess a show that has a variety of female characters that serve as more than decoration or fridge victims is a serious affront to some people.

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    43. Wow, I forgot that Balon was still alive in the show (as far as we know). I guess he’s definitely on the way out unless they choose to keep him alive for some reason (which would make Euron kinda pointless then).

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    44. They’re gonna have to start killing a few folks this season as the will be a ton of stuff to do in the final one and with that many characters to take care of it could get quite messy.

      I’m thinking more obvious ones;

      Tommen, The Sand Snakes (we can hope!), Olyvar, Pycelle, Kevan, Thorne, Olly, Mace and Ellaria.

      Looking at the bigger characters;

      Brienne, Melisandre, Theon, Ramsay, Margery, Loras, Olenna, Daario, Jorah, Davos, Trystane and Bronn (although he defied the odds this season!). all have reasons to be worried.

      Think the rest will make it to the final seasno but at least 50% of them will shift off the mortal coil!

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    45. mau:
      I don’t think so. Jaime said that he was imprisoned for 1 year, and he was a prisoner for1 season.

      It has been 3 years since the beginning in S4. Cersei said that. So at the end of S6 it will be near 5 years.

      There is no consistency whatsoever to the timeline in this show. Gilly’s baby was born in season 3 and still looks pretty much the same at the end of season 5 — that alone renders the idea that years have passed since then impossible to reconcile with events. Likewise, you have things like Sansa being 13 in season 1 and 14 in season 3 (they’ve stopped stating her age since then, but she really shouldn’t be more than 15 based on the progress of events; per Gwendoline Christie the second half of season five covers probably three weeks or so, and while that’s not official, it’s hard to suggest it could have been that much longer).

      A lot of this, particularly the ages of the Stark kids, is simply a result of the fact that GRRM’s books were not conceived with the idea that they’d be adapted as a TV series year-to-year. Even GRRM himself couldn’t find the space to age the characters like he wanted to.

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    46. Sam,

      Interesting.

      I think that Cersei should kill Kevan, because of his promise to send her to CR. LF is on his way to WF now, not in KL, and I don’t think the he is a good choice for that murder. Kevan should live until E5 or 6 I think.

      Roose is too cool with Sansa’s issue. I think he will be furious. He should say that that was the moment their enemies in the North have waited. They are weakened by Stannis and they lost Stark girl, and now Boltons are more vulnerable than ever.

      And for Meereen, I think it would make better tension, if in the first episode Astapor and Yunkai declare war against Meereen, and Tyrion desperately needs peace inside the inside the city. I don’t think SotH should be the main threat in S6.

      Plot in Dorne moves too slow. What is Doran’s plan for Trystane?

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    47. Ser Oromis Locke

      I was trying to reply to you but its not allowing me to post my comment… Along with some of what the other posters replied about female deaths, I would like to add Catelyn, Talisa, and Ros… Yigrette and Shae…
      Big deaths!

      There is way more men than women in the show.

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    48. M,

      I suppose he wears the glasses because he has to. He could definitely use a better wig or let his hair grow back though.

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    49. Sean C.,

      I agree that we shouldn’t waste much time thinking about the timeline in the show.

      We just don’t know, and I don’t think that is that important. Only important thing is that the actor who is playing Bran is a good actor and I don’t think that main characteristic that Bran has is his age.

      Bran is now teeanger in the show. 2-3-4-5 years, or whatever has passed and now he has 13-14-15 years.

      PS
      Gwendoline Christie said three months

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    50. Ser Oromis Locke: It’s so weird to me.. You say it takes you two years to get over a long-flight jetlag, but getting back from birthing a baby should be fine within a month? I’ve never had jetlag problems (even though I have flown from distances like Maisie is referring to) and I am a dude, but that seems like a weird estimate, wouldn’t getting back on top after the birth take at least a bit longer than within a months time?

      Yes, quite possibly.
      I’m incredibly biased based on my own experiences of course.

      After the birth of my second child I only got an hour’s sleep in 24 for the first six weeks; at one point I hit her with a pillow and screamed ‘shut up’ at her.
      She just wouldn’t stop crying unless I picked her up.
      I stupidly wouldn’t put her to sleep on her front as that supposedly increased the risk of cot death, never mind that her older brother slept fine on his front and I was likely to do something drastic.
      I also gave up trying to get her younger sister to sleep on her back/side after a while.
      After those first weeks I gradually sorted out ways to get her to settle but it was utterly exhausting.
      Finally at around 3-4 months she started sleeping but I couldn’t.
      I’ve been taking sleeping pills ever since.

      The two years to overcome jetlag is an exaggeration. I’ve stopped the pills but haven’t slept properly for one year, since I last went to Florida. If I take pills I can. I think I should just go back on the pills TBH. She’s nearly 18 now so maybe it’s too late.

      As for birth recovery, it really doesn’t take that long to physically recover, but working demanding hours AND taking care of tiny children is nigh impossible, so she will definitely need extra help.

      The main problem is blood loss, which is much worse and lasts longer with a first baby (think drenched sheets at birth and six weeks of bleeding).

      With a second it’s far less. With a third it’s very little. The blood loss and breast feeding is draining and leaves you weak.

      As long as you eat well and rest it’s fine but many new mothers can’t (or some won’t).
      I would totally understand if she wanted to take two or three months or even longer, but equally she could feel fine much sooner.

      Everyone is different. Working 8-6 every day doing an active job (on your feet) is probably too much at first, but no more than a lot of new mothers. But most could probably just take a day off here and there or a couple of hours to rest if need be.

      I know many mums can’t wait to get back to work as they think it’s easier, but they probably have cushy jobs and husbands/mothers/sisters etc to help.

      Sorry, went a bit overboard there. Just saying it’s doable.

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    51. mau:
      Sam,

      Interesting.

      I think that Cersei should kill Kevan, because of his promise to send her to CR. LF is on his way to WF now, not in KL, and I don’t think the he is a good choice for that murder. Kevan should live until E5 or 6 I think.

      Roose is too cool with Sansa’s issue. I think he will be furious. He should say that that was the moment their enemies in the North have waited. They are weakened by Stannis andthey lost Stark girl, and now Boltons are more vulnerable than ever.

      And for Meereen, I think it would make better tension, if in the first episode Astapor and Yunkai declare war against Meereen, and Tyrion desperately needs peace inside the inside the city. I don’t think SotH should be the main threat in S6.

      Plot in Dorne moves too slow. What is Doran’s plan for Trystane?

      I think that if LF had already left for Winterfell, it would’ve been mentioned already. And I don’t think if killing Kevan is really a Cersei thing to do: she may hate him for trying to send her to Casterly Rock, but he is a Lannister, and if she kills Kevan off Tommen is more surrounded by Tyrells than ever.
      Roose isn’t really the guy to react furious, I think. He’s more of a calm guy.
      But why would the two cities declare war on Meereen without reason? Astapor is a huge mess according to season 4, there’s no ruler there to declare war on Meereen, and Yunkai is on good terms with the city according to the beginning of season 5. Although there is a war with Yunkai, it just starts in a later episode; I agree with you that the SotH shouldn’t be the main enemy in Meereen in S6.
      What could Doran do about Trystane? If he sends an army to retrieve him, chances are that Trystane is executed; if he doesn’t do anything, the chance is bigger that Trystane lives.

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    52. Sam: I think that if LF had already left for Winterfell, it would’ve been mentioned already.

      Well, they didn’t mention when Tywin had left for KL or when Stannis had left for the Wall. That is their way.

      And I don’t think if killing Kevan is really a Cersei thing to do: she may hate him for trying to send her to Casterly Rock, but he is a Lannister, and if she kills Kevan off Tommen is more surrounded by Tyrells than eve

      r.

      If Cersei’s endgame is really to become Mad Queen, then killing off Kevan because of her paranoia would fit with that. It would be some crazy revenge for his lack of help, when Cersei was imprisoned.

      Roose isn’t really the guy to react furious, I think. He’s more of a calm guy.

      I don’t think he should react furious, but he will be furious.

      But why would the two cities declare war on Meereen without reason? Astapor is a huge mess according to season 4, there’s no ruler there to declare war on Meereen, and Yunkai is on good terms with the city according to the beginning of season 5. Although there is a war with Yunkai, it just starts in a later episode; I agree with you that the SotH shouldn’t be the main enemy in Meereen in S6.

      I would use the same reason as in the books. Yunkai is on good terms, for now, but maybe that was just strategic move. Astapor maybe isn’t mess in S6, or they can use Volantis instead.

      They will need big battle to end Dany’s arc in Essos at the end of S6

      What could Doran do about Trystane?

      Well, that wasn’t a question for you, D&D made that situation, so I hope they have some idea. After Myrcella’s death, Tristan is free to marry Dany, but I don’t know how will Cersei or Kevan let him leave KL.

      Doran will send SS to save him? LOL

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    53. I think Bran and Arya look related well enough. Round faces, beaming smiles. In an Ironic twist Sansa is the only Stark with a long face.

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    54. Deaths:

      Sand snakes and Ellaria- A date with Aero’s axe
      Bronn- his luck will run out.
      Trystane -may be killed by Jaime on the boat
      Tommen- the prophecy
      Kevan- cersei revenge
      Pycelle- cersei hates him
      Margery- cersei
      Loras- dies in trial by combat
      Lancel- cersei for ratting her ass out.
      Mountain- cleganebowl or other fight
      Qyburn- part of getting rid of a cersei supporter
      Roose- Vale army
      Ramsey- Brienne does it
      Fat Walda- Ramsey
      Freys- outlaws hanging them
      NW members- WW and Jon supporters
      Maybe Mel-Davos kills her
      Jorah- greyscale
      Greyworm- aftermath of drogon and south resuming killings
      Maybe Missandi who will be next to Greyworm

      Cersei will get people to kill those people. Unless she goes full crazy and strangles Margery in her sleep.

      Am I the only person who thinks that Daario will make it out? He worms his way to out survive everyone. They would do that. This is D&D, Daario lives and Shireen burns.

      Mace will make it back to KL.

      LF will probably live too.

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    55. Not sure why everyone thinks Cersei will start butchering people from her own household! She’s not going to kill Pycelle and Kevan as , despite her displeasure with them, she doesn’t fully hate either (there are people MUCH further up her list!) and they strengthen her position as well as being major players within her own house. If she goes full blown mental , it won’t be until the last season ( for the record I think Jaime will kill her in an almost repeat of the Mad King situation). Kevan and Pycelle will be killed but not by Cersei. She could be responsible for the deaths of any of the Tyrells though and most likely Trystane.
      I’m thinking/hoping Euron kills Loras as he could possibly head to the Reach to protect Tyrell lands and I think he’s served his purpose as a character now. Won’t miss him as he’s nowhere near as endearing as his book counterpart plus would show Euron means business despite entering into the game late.

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    56. Sam:
      I think that if LF had already left for Winterfell, it would’ve been mentioned already.

      Given the way the focus in KL narrows down to Cersei’s imprisonment, and barely any other information provided, I don’t think so. This has every indication that the writers will, as they often do, take advantage of the gap between seasons to have characters travel. Next season will open with Littlefinger, at a minimum, in the Vale with his army on the verge of embarkation.

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    57. Personally I (hope) Jon comes back and expect him, Dany, Tyrion, Jamie, Cersei, Bran, to make it to season 7. Not so sure about Sansa because the death of Lady always seemed like a bad omen and what Jon said about Arya and needle in book 1 likewise. I’d like Varys and Littlefinger to be around to see what happens in the end.

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    58. tiny direwolf:
      I expect Cersei to live to see The Others reach Kings Landing.

      Grumpkins and snarks indeed

      How great would it be if Cersi burned down the Red Keep or even all of King’s Landing but she was so out of it (or just getting out of a dungeon or something) and unbeknownst to her it was filled with mostly White Walkers and wights. And she inadvertently had a part in saving the day. 🙂

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    59. GRRM’s wife has begged him not to kill Arya, but that means nothing I suspect.
      I also read that the sand snakes were chosen against Arianne/Quentyn because they have an important part to play in the future. (Doesn’t mean they won’t die, though).
      My ending would be to have no-one survive, and then, crawling out of the rubble, right at the very end, is Sean Bean.
      Not really, but it’d make an awesome change for the actor.

      Has there ever been so many theories about a fictitious story before this? I missed all the Harry Potter furore, only got into that when DH pt2 was on at the cinema and my youngest wanted me to take her, so I watched the others first. Their dad took the older ones to see the others and he probably fell asleep!

      If George had written them all faster this wouldn’t be happening at all. He’s deliberately milking it.

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    60. Dolorous Methuselah: How great would it be if Cersi burned down the Red Keep or even all of King’s Landing but she was so out of it (or just getting out of a dungeon or something) and unbeknownst to her it was filled with mostly White Walkers and wights.And she inadvertently had a part in saving the day.

      Oh my god. Cersei becomes the hero in her crazy drunken state by setting the WWs on fire. Total accident. Unlikely but hilarious.

      She is still setting everything on on fire though.

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    61. Shane Snow:
      Shane Snow,

      Really hope Brienne doesn’t kill Ramsey.. I want him to die but will be mad if Brienne is able to kill one more big character

      There aren’t many other candidates for the job. I can’t think of anyone in the area now. Unless he dies from the Vale army sacking Winterfell. That is the another option. She is right there and it will be part of D&D’s streamlining the story lines even more. D&D don’t have to send someone else North to kill him.

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    62. man, these kids sure are having fun with the fanbase!!! looks like an innocent picture at lunch, you say? HA!!! this is better than Jaime’s duck…

      If you look at the names Isaac Hempstead-Wright, Dean Charles Champman, and Nell Tiger Free, you OBVIOUSLY AND IMMEDIATELY will notice that their names are an anagram of the following phrase…

      “Canine helm preacher San[dor] fighted reattached pig ass. Arm [the] wall!”

      Let me be the first to say UM WOW!!! People saying this has been a slow offseason for GoT news so far, we just got a massive infodump if you’re willing to search for the clues. What does this tell us?

      First and most obvious: CLEGANEBOWL CONFIRMED, YOU CLEVER YOUNG RASCALS!!!

      Second, we get some insight into how Qyburn turned The Mountain into the spooky new zombie kingsguard. Some of the flesh was so damaged that he had to use animal parts. Specifically, The unMountain has a reattached pig ass! gross!!!

      Third, “Arm the Wall!” confirms that Sandor Clegane (in exchange for slaying his own brother) will be shown mercy for his own crimes and be allowed to flee to the wall and take the black, just in time for him to run into King Jon Stark on his way to his throne in Winterfell, and who knows what kind of zany shenanigans those two rascals will get into!!! BUDDY COMEDY SPINOFF CONFIRMED!!!

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    63. WeirwoodTreeHugger: Ygritte, Selyse, Myranda, Karsi, that woman who tried to help Sansa, maybe the Waif although it’s hard to say. Various brothel workers and wives of Craster.

      There are also a lot more men in the cast then there are women. Proportionately, I think it’s probably pretty similar.

      Are you seriously trying to make the argument that this show is misandry. LOL. I guess a show that has a variety of female characters that serve as more than decoration or fridge victims is a serious affront to some people.

      Okay, so: Shae, Lysa, Ygritte, Shireen, Myranda, Selyse, Myrcella and the woman that tried to help Sansa. The Jaqen-bodied FM drank the potion, the Waif-FM is still alive, she just took a different face. I think we can pretty much rule Karsi out because her and Loboda were equal chieftains in that scene. Deesensfan, those characters you mentioned were S1-3, I meant S4&5.

      I’m not trying to make this about the show hating masculinity, but it does. For those eight, from the top of my head, we have Joffrey Baratheon, Tywin Lannister, Meryn Trant, Oberyn Martell, Stannis Baratheon, Mance Rayder, Karl Tanner, Jojen Reed, Hizdahr zo Loraq, Barristan Selmy + a heck of a lot Unsullied, Grenn, Pyp + at least 50MiB. And that dude that surrendered to Ramsey Snow. Not including the Mountain, Sandor Clegane or Jon Snow, since their status is up in the air dead/not dead/undead.

      And it’s definitely not that there are strong women in this show that upsets me – if it did I would not watch the show. It’s not with the show that I’m annoyed by, but by the overreactive part of the fandom. So your snark is unwarranted. It’s the fact that the moment something bad happens to a female character, that part of the fandomworld is in uproar and screams that this show hates women. It does not, women are relatively safe. It’s about having your cake (a wealth of strong female characters) and still crying wolf (“this show hates women!”) which is what I’m trying to address. There’s an hypocrisy there. Especially the crying wolf bit, because the sheer number of -gates do get tiresome after every single apparent misogynist plotpoint. But all in all, yeah, I think the women have relatively more plotarmor than men in this show.

      Ashara Dayne: Yes, quite possibly.
      -respectful snip-
      Sorry, went a bit overboard there. Just saying it’s doable.

      Okay.. All in all, I think that it would be respectful to at least have her in mind concerning the planning. That said, at this point of her character arc, I doubt we will see her strolling outside the Red Keep often, meaning that she may just need to shoot in Belfast. Meaning they can give her time to recover to the point where she feels comfortable for shooting indoors at Titanic Studios. Even then, I could see them giving her more scenes where she sits as opposed to stands if that is necessary for her endurance.

      Based on what you said, I think there’s ways to work around fatigue, but yeah, 10 hours per day might not work out for her this season.

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    64. Angela,

      I think Theon killing him would be the sweetest situation. Brienne killing another popular (for good or bad reasons ) character would further cement her show role as a superwoman. Starting to sound like a broken record but since she left Jaime all she’s done is wander around having boring chats with Pod and then killing an interesting character at the end of the season. Quite honestly sick of her show incarnation. She’s dull and seems tagged onto other people’s storylines.
      Plenty of other folks who could kill Ramsay. There’s hints of him and Jon crossing paths ( Battle of the Bastards!) and an awful lot of northereners including Sansa and potentially Rickon knocking about. I’m thinking Rickon may take down Roose though.

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    65. TheTouchOfFrost:
      Angela,

      I think Theon killing him would be the sweetest situation. Brienne killing another popular (for good or bad reasons ) character would further cement her show role as a superwoman. Starting to sound like a broken record but since she left Jaime all she’s done is wander around having boring chats with Pod and then killing an interesting character at the end of the season. Quite honestly sick of her show incarnation. She’s dull and seems tagged onto other people’s storylines.Plenty of other folks who could kill Ramsay. There’s hints of him and Jon crossing paths ( Battle of the Bastards!) and an awful lot of northereners includingSansa and potentially Rickon knocking about. I’m thinking Rickon may take down Roose though.

      Well, Rickon could shoot an arrow through him like Olly. Anybody could but who is the most capable of winning?

      You may not like it but D&D has made Brienne have the fighting skills to take down Ramsey. Theon is weak and broken. Sansa doesn’t have the training. Jon doesn’t know Sansa is in Winterfell. You have to look who is in the area right now and has the training to take Ramsey down physically.

      I am not being mean at all. I just disagree. It is all good. Rickon could bring Umbers with him. With axes ready to shove in Ramsey’s face. It just looks like Brienne.

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    66. TheTouchOfFrost:
      Angela,
      I think Theon killing him would be the sweetest situation. Brienne killing another popular (for good or bad reasons ) character would further cement her show role as a superwoman. Starting to sound like a broken record but since she left Jaime all she’s done is wander around having boring chats with Pod and then killing an interesting character at the end of the season. Quite honestly sick of her show incarnation. She’s dull and seems tagged onto other people’s storylines. Plenty of other folks who could kill Ramsay. There’s hints of him and Jon crossing paths ( Battle of the Bastards!) and an awful lot of northereners including Sansa and potentially Rickon knocking about. I’m thinking Rickon may take down Roose though.

      Because Brienne is a tag-on character.. Her storyline in Affc is relatively uneventful, because she doesn’t come into contact with other characters. Tagging her onto another storyline is the only way to make her not seem pointless, but I agree that outside of that realization, they’re not handling it very well. I prefer her plot leading up to killing Stannis to the plot that led to her fighting Sandor. The former does tie up quite a few plotthreads, the latter (fighting Sandor) really didn’t do much outside of creating a Ep9/climax moment for Brienne and Arya.

      As for Rickon taking out a Bolton.. Not so much Rickon, but Shaggydog on the other paw..

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    67. Ser Oromis Locke

      Okay.. All in all, I think that it would be respectful to at least have her in mind concerning the planning. That said, at this point of her character arc, I doubt we will see her strolling outside the Red Keep often, meaning that she may just need to shoot in Belfast. Meaning they can give her time to recover to the point where she feels comfortable for shooting indoors at Titanic Studios. Even then, I could see them giving her more scenes where she sits as opposed to stands if that is necessary for her endurance.

      Based on what you said, I think there’s ways to work around fatigue, but yeah, 10 hours per day might not work out for her this season.

      It worked ok when Kit broke his ankle, so I assume they’d rather have her there with concessions than much delayed, although she already signed a contract. Anyway, there are laws in place for employees now I’d have thought.

      I mainly answered this because I had something else to say, but it’s gone now SMH. Need sleep I think, I waffle or forget when I’m tired, sorry!

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    68. Ser Matt the Sullen: anybody curious why Nell Tiger Free is still filming…?

      Jaime’s ship will be seen again (whether it’s going to King’s Landing or back to Dorne), so, unless they throw Myrcella’s body into the water, we’ll see her again 😉

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    69. Flora Linden,

      Since the books and the series are inspired in medieval times all equivalents to modern time ages make little sense, in my opinion: When life-expectancy was 30 years of age, at twentysometing people were middle-aged, and 15 year olds were grownups (many married and with at least one child). Life is rougher in Westeros, so I guess it is normal they age faster.

      On the other hand, being a fantasy series, time may pass however it likes… It’s kind of funny pinpointing ages and calendar years when talking about a show with dragons, direwolves, wargs, giants, shadow babies, greenseers, white walkers, wights, etc.

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    70. Flora Linden,

      Given the statements on the show, they are assuming about one year per season. A lot of the “jet pack” stuff is people disregarding that they are allowing for many days and even weeks between scenes.

      They really have botched only one thing in this regard: Gilly’s baby. That should be a toddler now. Other than that, they’ve been pretty good about sticking to that calendar. (That is funny, too, given the grand TV tradition of having infants appearing in Season 5 be walking, wise-talking kids in Season 6: of all the mistakes to make, you would think that this would be the last!)

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    71. Eugene Simon looks like he’s about 17 in this pic. Somehow, with the crazy star-scar on his forehead and the stern, disapproving look on his face, he looked to be in at least his mid-20s.

      Is the whole cast meeting in Belfast and dispersing from there, or only certain members?

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    72. Ser Oromis Locke: Because Brienne is a tag-on character.. Her storyline in Affc is relatively uneventful, because she doesn’t come into contact with other characters. Tagging her onto another storyline is the only way to make her not seem pointless, but I agree that outside of that realization, they’re not handling it very well.

      That still does not mean that they are not handling it as well as possible! I have problems thinking of another way to do Brienne’s contribution to the Crows/Dragons story that was better than what they did. I actually found it to be a much clearer statement of the “Kill the less / become the greater” story than the book, which seemed to just drag on and on without any sort of resolution. Of course, BookBrienne seems to be much more dull-witted than TV Brienne, which also makes her chapters cumbersome.

      Ser Oromis Locke: As for Rickon taking out a Bolton.. Not so much Rickon, but Shaggydog on the other paw..

      Well, one issue that definitely could arise is: what will the Bolton’s do when the realize that Theon & Sansa are not just hiding somewhere in Winterfell? My guess is that this will be the march on the Wall: and thus the Pink Letter (with or without the letter ever being sent). So, if a Bolton army is marching north, then what happens to them? The Wildlings? Do they arrive at the Wall in time to fight White Walkers? Do they turn up, wipe out the rest of the Night’s Watch assuming that they are hiding Theon & Sansa, and then wind up being the force present when the White Walkers attack? Or does Ramsay effectively create the hole (literal or figurative) that lets the White Walkers through by attacking Castle Black?

      There are a lot of possibilities that we (as fans) didn’t explore, in part because we were too busy arguing about whether the Pink Letter was real or not! (Are there any of the “It’s obviously a fake” crowd still posting? If so, then are your opinions changed, or do you still think that someone else wrote the letter?)

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    73. Wimsey,

      Yeah, but the baby would be a toddler at this point and toddlers need to be chased around. It wouldn’t do to have to show a wilding toddler navigating Castle Black when the mood was already so foul against wildings. If having the baby still be baby-sized, therefore still needing to be held, was a choice to save time in the story for other things, that was ok with me. But if she’s still holding a swaddled infant next year, then something’s wrong.

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    74. Weirwood Leaf:
      Any thoughts on Brienne? Any chance Ramsey witnessed her death blow to Stannis? Would he capture and accuse her of regicide twice?Maybe Pod will kill Rams to get her back?

      Nah, he was heading straight back to Winterfell because he thought his wife would be lonely. Ha. Bronn said something about killing people making a guy want to f***; what a surprise Rams is gonna get when he discovers Sansa gone and Myranda smashed to pieces. Not gonna be happy times in WF.

      Someone thought that Rams would be offed somewhere in mid-season. I hope that’s right, but a sadly think they will keep him around a while longer as the uber-villain. Aside from Roose, who seems to get a villain pass because he has that velvet-smooth voice and calm, calculating manner, who else is left as supreme villain but Ramsey? So I fear we will be seeing him at least through to the end of this season. Alliser Thorne might be a close second, but I can’t see him lasting too much longer. Either Tormund will hand him his head, or Davos.

      Bronn, good old Bronn. I hope that guy is still around at the end, drinking his own wine and annoying his own sons, just like he said he wanted to be. I hope Hot Pie has a string of successful inns that specialize in kidney pie, too. And somewhere close to Hot Pie, in the same village, will be Gendry, under an assumed name, with a pretty, young wife, and respect and happiness as the village blacksmith. Strolling through the village, as Village constable, will be Brienne. Pod will be her deputy.

      I kinda like that.

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    75. Ashara Dayne: GRRM’s wife has begged him not to kill Arya, but that means nothing I suspect.

      What means much more is that GRRM originally planned to have Arya be a central protagonist throughout the series. The over-arching story was planned heavily around her, and that is the sort of thing that usually remains true. In a big way, we should expect that Dreams Arya minus Thrones Arya will have a big influence on the final outcome: probably 4th after (Dreams-Thrones) Jon, (Dreams-Thrones) Daeny and (Dreams-Thrones) Tyrion.

      Sansa, on the other hand, became a protagonist later in GRRM’s thought processes. As she might not originally have been in the end, it is much more probable that she won’t make it to the end. I am betting that she will: but Sansa simply is not as important a character as Arya is, and Sansa has evolved much, much less than has Arya. (If Sansa were a fossil species, then Stephen Jay Gould would have used her as a case study!)

      Ashara Dayne: I also read that the sand snakes were chosen against Arianne/Quentyn because they have an important part to play in the future. (Doesn’t mean they won’t die, though).

      I find that highly implausible for one simple reason: the SS were incidental characters in the books (as well as incidental characters on TV) whereas Arianne & Quentyn were both new protagonists. You cannot swap incidentals for leads: the SS were always going to be part of someone else’s storyline (Arianne’s in the book, Jaime’s on TV) whereas Arianne and/or Quentyn demanded their own storylines.

      Instead, I suspect that it represents is Dorne being important in future plots (and requiring a story being set there), and the Riverlands not being important in future plots, and Jaime being important in the future stories, and Arianne/Quentyn not being important in future stories. Given that Jaime has been a protagonist since the 2nd book, it certainly is possible that (Dreams-Clash) Jaime will be important in the end.

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    76. Thronetender: Yeah, but the baby would be a toddler at this point and toddlers need to be chased around.

      Toddlers also don’t do snappy one-liners well: and one law-of-TV is that a year after infancy, kids need to be able to do snappy one-liners.

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    77. Wimsey:
      Flora Linden,

      Given the statements on the show, they are assuming about one year per season.A lot of the “jet pack” stuff is people disregarding that they are allowing for many days and even weeks between scenes.

      They really have botched only one thing in this regard: Gilly’s baby.That should be a toddler now.Other than that, they’ve been pretty good about sticking to that calendar.(That is funny, too, given the grand TV tradition of having infants appearing in Season 5 be walking, wise-talking kids in Season 6: of all the mistakes to make, you would think that this would be the last!)

      Likely the Gilly baby thing is for budget/time reasons. With an infant that’s mostly cradled, you only need it for close ups (and in the case of American Sniper, not even that!). Add in a child that needs to be seen moving and you add a layer that D&D likely don’t even want to deal with at this point. Bigger fish to fry, not enough time in the day, or whatever cliche you want to use.

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    78. Ravyn,

      But… but… snappy one liners! “Whoops! I just shattered blue-eyes like one of Bowen Marsh’s fancy dinner plates” or “That wight is colder and stiffer than the ice rod up Ser Alliser’s butt!” Classic TV!

      😀

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    79. Wimsey: definitely could arise is: what will the Bolton’s do when the realize that Theon & Sansa are not just hiding somewhere in Winterfell?

      Ramsay has several thousand mostly-mounted men at his disposal, and hounds. The moment he realizes Sansa has escape her room, the overwhelming majority of those men would be scouring the land around Winterfell, using any and all means to locate her. In reality, there is zero chance they would escape this situation. On TV, expect some deus Brienne or deus Umber et al to come along and wisk them away.

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    80. Balerion The Cat:
      JCDavis,

      I’m sure they’re gonna use a lot of make up on him and smart camera angles to make him look smaller and younger. I’m not worried.
      Now, if they could also improve on Bloodraven’s design, that would be great.

      Yeah if he’s merged with a Tree it doesen’t matter so much

      Might be too late to fix Bloodravens makeup though I wouldn’t be complaining about that plot inconsistency if they do it

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    81. Ashara Dayne:
      Jet lag when flying from Florida is horrendous. I’d imagine from San Diego it’d be absolute hell.
      Unless you can sleep on the plane, which I never can.

      It always used to take me at least two weeks to recover, now it takes two years.
      It’s put me off long-haul flying.Going is fine.

      Why on earth do flights going from US to UK leave in the evening?
      I know you get an extra day but it’d be nice to have a choice.

      I suppose flying first class makes it easier, but I wouldn’t sleep even if I had my own bed and total silence,
      I can’t even sleep in a strange house/hotel without a pill. :-((

      Craziest flight I ever had was from New York to Dunedin, New Zealand. With all the stops along the way it was about 36 hours total from start to finish, and I dozed slightly for a little while, but didn’t really sleep. Between the serious time zone change and the 36 hours of travel, I didn’t even know what day it was when I got there.

      Also, it was July, so I went from summer to winter (Winter wasn’t coming fast enough, so I went to it). The weirdest part was that my sleep schedule was so messed up I didn’t get jet lag at all, just stayed up until it got dark, reset my watch to local time, and woke up the next morning feeling normal.

      On the way back, it was strange because the flight from Auckland to Los Angeles actually arrived before it departed due to crossing the date line.

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    82. Chad Brick,

      They can scour all they want: one good snow later, and they would be untrackable. As the Boltons are not idiots, they will focus first on the more probable explanation: they are somewhere in Winterfell. (Unless, of course,someone saw them jump: but unlike the book, there is no indication of that.). By the time they conclude that Theon & Sansa aren’t in Winterfell, it will be much too late: snow will have obliterated any trace of them.

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    83. Wimsey:
      Chad Brick,

      They can scour all they want: one good snow later, and they would be untrackable.As the Boltons are not idiots, they will focus first on the more probable explanation: they are somewhere in Winterfell.(Unless, of course,someone saw them jump: but unlike the book, there is no indication of that.). By the time they conclude that Theon & Sansa aren’t in Winterfell, it will be much too late: snow will have obliterated any trace of them.

      Gee, Wimsey, you really expect a positive comment from show-troll Chad re GoT ?
      You eternal optimist.

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    84. Rewatched the series – if it matters at all, Jon had the first and most words in the first Winterfell scenes. He was the one instructing Bran at archery and the one who told Bran not to look away during the beheading, while Robb stood to the side. I took that to show that his leadership was supposed to be showcased. Robb hardly said a thing and Theon didn’t have a line for at least 7 mins.

      Bran’s age was specifically mentioned to be 10 years old. (Ned wanted him to see the beheading of the deserter; Cat said Ned he’s only 10 years old.) If each season is a year, then Bran will be 15 next season. Sansa was specifically said to be 13 when Cersei asked how old she was and if she had bled yet. So that would make her 18 next season. Viserys told Ilyrio that he’s waited 17 years to get his throne back. That would make Dany 17 years old at the start of the series. She’ll be 22 next season.

      If you want to view certain things as foreshadowing, and based on Wimsey’s observations that: “What means much more is that GRRM originally planned to have Arya be a central protagonist throughout the series,” when King Robert was saying his first hellos to the Stark family, Arya was the only one of the children of whom he specifically asked a name, so it sort of singled out Arya among the Stark children for the audience.

      Not that any of this means a darn, just that knowing what ultimately happens makes you watch things from a different perspective.

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    85. Angela:
      You may not like it but D&D has made Brienne have the fighting skills to take down Ramsey. Theon is weak and broken. Sansa doesn’t have the training. Jon doesn’t know Sansa is in Winterfell. You have to look who is in the area right now and has the training to take Ramsey down physically.

      Another possibility is an epic fight between Brienne and Ramsay, with Ramsay gaining the upper hand, about to kill her, and then some combination or Sansa, Theon, and/or Podrick providing an assist at the last moment to take out Ramsay.

      It’s probably just wishful thinking, but I’d enjoy watching that.

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    86. Name *,

      Vanity Fair has been really aggressive with the “Jon is coming back” stuff. I’m now 80% convinced a lot of this shell game with the press and the actors is because they promised GRRM that he could have first bite at the apple of the revelation in his book. Its up to him to produce, and with his announcement that he’s meeting with his publishers next month, that might be a clue that everything is falling into place.

      EDIT: My guess is that she heard that Kit’s agents been told not to book him for anything on certain dates, likely through an industry source who tried to book Kit.

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    87. Ravyn

      Vox has also run a couple of articles reading the tea leaves and arguing against people buying the official line on Jon/Kit

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    88. Wimsey:
      Chad Brick,

      They can scour all they want: one good snow later, and they would be untrackable.As the Boltons are not idiots, they will focus first on the more probable explanation: they are somewhere in Winterfell.(Unless, of course,someone saw them jump: but unlike the book, there is no indication of that.). By the time they conclude that Theon & Sansa aren’t in Winterfell, it will be much too late: snow will have obliterated any trace of them.

      One good snow later? They’d be caught within hours. And even if the Boltons “focus” on the inside of Winterfell, what’s that? 50 men or a hundred out of their thousands?And why would they focus on the lower risk possibility anyway? If they are inside, they are trapped. It’s outside that the Boltons would have to worry about. Given all the possibilities for their escape (climbing, sneaking through a gate, or secret exits, with or without the help of traitors) it is obvious that it is a possibility they are outside.

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    89. If in GOT dead people (Beric, Jon ..) can be brought back to life why Rhollor or Tree-Bran cant make Theons manhood grow back?

      Of course it would be a diffrent weiner not the same weiner it was before the cutting, a more darker, sullen and softer weiner …

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    90. Chad Brick,

      Searching Winterfell would take thousands of men: it is big, it is old, and the Boltons do not know it. Moreover, they would be using a lot of their force to interrogate the remaining locals: who was helping them, who might be hiding them, where might they be hiding in Winterfell?

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    91. Ser Oromis Locke,

      I can’t decide if you’re actually being serious or not. This sexism/ misogyny argument is getting really old- and very very boring. Far more females have died than you’ve listed (I see others have so I won’t bother). The fact is the cast is fairly balanced and representative of the books. And even IF more men have allegedly died this is because Westeros has been at war and (like it or not) women did not tend to partake in warfare in the middle ages. And the books/ show even manage to break down those stereotypes remarkably well (Brienne, Ygritte, Arya etc..).

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    92. Name *,

      Surely that’s interesting! I wonder what she knows??
      I hope people aren’t assuming that because he was spotted in Belfast again + the hair, then it is confirmed, because not really. They need to deal with the corpse and it could be another Tywin type thing. Even though, we all know its notttttttttttt

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    93. Casso: Craziest flight I ever had was from New York to Dunedin, New Zealand

      Ah, I just finished my annual trans-Pacific flight. The worst part is getting to California and realizing that you still have a 4-5 hour flight to get to the other coast!

      The craziest one I ever did was fly back from 3 weeks of field work in Australia, drop my stuff off at home, and then fly off to London the next morning en route to a meeting in Cardiff. It wasn’t quite the same as flying from Sydney “directly” to London (although my 12 hour layover at home was basically just a comfortable long layover): but I was tempted to scream that I had a bomb in my luggage so that they wouldn’t let me on the London flight! I think that they eventually used cattle prods to get me onto the plane….

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    94. I hope well have Rickon & Asha back, this season. Even for a short Moment, when Davos is searching for them. Would be great.

      I think Jorah or Bronn could die S6 but I hope not because theyre 2 of my now favorite 3 characters 🙁 (Bronn, Jorah, Jaime)

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    95. harma dogememe,
      GET HYPE!! (sorry, running late) You’re very good with anagrams Harma, or is that Emma Armhodge? My real name is Mulu’s Lum, but I’m sure you saw through that straight away 🙂

      Thronetender,
      LOVE your idea of Brienne and Pod as village police and the Hot Pie inns. Aaah 5 series and countless deaths in and the show hasn’t completely destroyed my optimism. Or maybe I’m just very good at denial, although I’m already worried about what happens when Ramsay finds Sansa and Theon gone and we’ve still got….consults calendar….around 280 days to go ’til series 6. If it’s not resolved in the first episode I may have a minor heart attack 🙁

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    96. Lulu’s Mum: Lulu’s Mum
      July 16, 2015 at 8:56 am
      harma dogememe,
      GET HYPE!! (sorry, running late) You’re very good with anagrams Harma, or is that Emma Armhodge? My real name is Mulu’s Lum, but I’m sure you saw through that straight away

      As Queenie has not given me a title as yet in either the New Year or Birthday honours lists (I’m from the UK as you can probably guess from my putting ‘honour’ rather than ‘honor’) I decided that ennobling myself in an online site was probably my best way of getting one (i.e. a title).

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    97. Lulu’s Mum:
      Sam,
      Woah, lot of thought gone into that. We should try and guess the title of the last ever episode, I’m down for either Oh Fuuuuuuuuuuuuk!/Didn’t see THAT coming did you? type things or along the lines of And so it begins again/Dream of spring/something implying a new start. Or maybe just !?!?!?!?!

      I think it would be GIANT KILLER PENGUINS 🙂

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    98. Dame of Mercia,
      Hello *waves* I’m to the east of you in London taaaahn. Sometimes people reply to me on here and write my name as Mom rather than Mum which always seems really strange.

      Being a Guardian reader I believe the honours system needs a major overhaul and as someone who tries to be as PC as possible I go with what people identify themselves as rather than the labels society puts on them, so if you want to be a Dame then as far as I’m concerned you are one 🙂 Also, I believe from another thread that congratulations are in order as you’ve been cast as Euron, which is a an unusual choice as most people were expecting a man. Or are you one and your full title is actually Pantomime Dame of Mercia? 😉

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    99. Wimsey,

      Not at all plausible. Myranda fell screaming into the courtyard, which would have had all eyes in that direction, and would have pinpointed where she fell from. Moreover, the battlements are only accessible by a few ways, which it should be fairly easy to establish they didn’t take, if nobody saw them. Hell, even the most rudimentary sentries would see them running away from the castle, given that it’s a perfectly clear day and the space around Winterfell is flat and open.

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    100. Ravyn:
      Name *,
      Vanity Fair has been really aggressive with the “Jon is coming back” stuff. I’m now 80% convinced a lot of this shell game with the press and the actors is because they promised GRRM that he could have first bite at the apple of the revelation in his book. Its up to him to produce, and with his announcement that he’s meeting with his publishers next month, that might be a clue that everything is falling into place.

      EDIT: My guess is that she heard that Kit’s agents been told not to book him for anything on certain dates, likely through an industry source who tried to book Kit.

      At best, it’s a meeting to discuss the start of the editing phase for probably the majority of Winds, as I don’t think George is completely done writing but is far enough to let the editors start doing the majority of their work. At worst, I think it could be a meeting on whether they should spoil Jon’s fate in a new sample chapter, so we can get George’s version before D&D’s..

      Paul:
      Ser Oromis Locke,

      I can’t decide if you’re actually being serious or not. This sexism/misogyny argument is getting really old- and very very boring. Far more females have died than you’ve listed (I see others have so I won’t bother). The fact is the cast is fairly balanced and representative of the books. And even IF more men have allegedly died this is because Westeros has been at war and (like it or not) women did not tend to partake in warfare in the middle ages. And the books/show even manage to break down those stereotypes remarkably well (Brienne, Ygritte, Arya etc..).

      I made a more specified post later on. My point has nothing to do with female characters breaking stereotypes, I applaud that – or else I wouldn’t have been watching/reading the books. It’s exactly as you say, the misogyny-debate is tiresome, and that’s what I’m referring to. When people are speculating who will die next season, why is it that so many men are picked? And so few women? It’s because women are relatively safe in this story (books/show, does not matter). The war-argument doesn’t really make sense, as Tywin, Oberyn, Joffrey, Mance, Trant, Sandor and Jon weren’t really killed in acts of war. Yet, when something drastic happens to a female character, there are suddenly social outcries. There’s not half enough people sticking up against sexism towards men that there should be.

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    101. chameleon,
      Yus! We’ve still got at least 20 episodes to go which is plenty of time to introduce them, I am keeping the faith. Harma D has convinced me that Cleganebowl CONFIRMED!! GET HYPE!! is the endgame but there’s no reason GKPs can’t be part of that. Also my other faves, the flying zombie nazi sharks, have a film due out in 2017 so they can join in too. Clegane vs Clegane vs Pengs vs FZNS vs anyone else who fancies having a go. It will be the showdown to end them all. Probably end up with everyone/thing in Westeros, Essos and all other “Os”s dead, but well worth it 😀

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    102. Ser Oromis Locke:
      As for Rickon taking out a Bolton.. Not so much Rickon, but Shaggydog on the other paw..

      this is a great idea. Nymeria runs up from the Riverlands, joins Shaggydog, and since Ghost is never around when Jon needs him (tm other post!), they join forces and hunt Ramsey, tearing him to pieces. Justifiably savage death by the “Starks”. LOVING IT.

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    103. Wimsey:
      Chad Brick,

      Searching Winterfell would take thousands of men: it is big, it is old, and the Boltons do not know it.Moreover, they would be using a lot of their force to interrogate the remaining locals: who was helping them, who might be hiding them, where might they be hiding in Winterfell?

      It’s not big at all, maybe twenty acres or so and normally (on TV) surrounded by open land for hundreds of yards or even miles. Typically it only housed a few hundred people. It’s just not that big, either on TV or in the books, and Ramsay could easily have something like a hundred men (out of his several thousand) search it while and his army hunt Sansa and Theon down if they are outside.

      Inside is not a big risk to him. Outside is. He can afford to be patient with the former, but not the latter. Given Myranda’s murder right out in the open, he will realize Sansa is gone within minutes of their escape. They couldn’t even be a mile away at that point. There’s no way he wouldn’t find them.

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    104. Sean C.:
      Wimsey,

      Not at all plausible.Myranda fell screaming into the courtyard, which would have had all eyes in that direction, and would have pinpointed where she fell from.Moreover, the battlements are only accessible by a few ways, which it should be fairly easy to establish they didn’t take, if nobody saw them.Hell, even the most rudimentary sentries would see them running away from the castle, given that it’s a perfectly clear day and the space around Winterfell is flat and open.

      Maybe Roose’s sentries were hired by the same company as Stannis’ and are therefore also blind and deaf….Acme Sentries Corporation? 🙂

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    105. Lulu’s Mum,

      I lived (well lodged) in Ilford for a while but have been back in the midlands since I retired so I was in the part of London that used to be metropolitan Essex for a time. I didn’t see anything about casting Sincerely Thine as Euron – I did mention that I had shed no tears about missing out the iron born sub-plot so perhaps somebody posted something smart-alecky.

      The over-60s group I belong to had a talk given by an actor who worked as a Pantomime Dame – he was quite funny. Spoke about using a certain kind of make-up rather than the super oily stage make-up as it was easier to get up (and he didn’t want to be seen driving through Smethick in full Pantomime dame get-up). For anyone reading this who is not from the UK, round about the Xmas season British theatres tend to have a type of production called a pantomime very loosely based on legends/fairy-tales where there is a Pantomime dame who is always a man done up as an ugly old woman (e.g. Cinderella’s Mama or Widow Twanky {Aladdin’s Mama}). The leading man by contrast is often played by an attractive young woman (in the old days it was an excuse to get an actress with a good pair of legs on stage showing her legs in tights).

      GoT – the pantomime – now there’s a thought (though to judge by some folks’ reactions to the Sand Snakes last season – ’nuff said).

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    106. Chad Brick: It’s not big at all, maybe twenty acres or so and normally (on TV) surrounded by open land for hundreds of yards or even miles. Typically it only housed a few hundred people. It’s just not that big, either on TV or in the books, and Ramsay could easily have something like a hundred men (out of his several thousand) search it while and his army hunt Sansa and Theon down if they are outside.

      Inside is not a big risk to him. Outside is. He can afford to be patient with the former, but not the latter. Given Myranda’s murder right out in the open, he will realize Sansa is gone within minutes of their escape. They couldn’t even be a mile away at that point. There’s no way he wouldn’t find them.

      Truth is that Ramsey, if left to his own judgment, would probably go out to hunt them with just his dog and his inner circle of people he usually brings with him to hunt people (weren’t they called the Bastard’s Boys or something like that?). He might bring a few more given the urgency of getting his Stark wife back, but unless Roose puts his foot down and insists on a large heavily manned search, I think Ramsey’s desire for the hunt would get the better of him.

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    107. Dame of Mercia,
      Maybe you didn’t see it but in the………goes off and does a word search…..Visual Effects Breakdown thread, you made a typo then said you were definitely not Euron to which Sam replied “Mercia=Euron CONFIRMED guys!!!!” You know what it’s like, the more people connected with the show say Jon is dead the more we believe he’s deffo coming back, so that double bluff mentality spreads to other topics 😉

      Now a GoT pantomime would be awesome! The various Cleganes would be fantastic Dames and there are a few cast members who are comedians, singers and/or musicians in other lives so that’s the jokes and songs covered. Characters like Ramsay who are already quite exaggerated would be in their element and songs would allow their less obvious inner thoughts to come to the fore. Cue I’m so misunderstood/Just want to be loved/Did it all for my House/Nah, I really am just bat shit crazy solos 😀

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    108. Lulu’s Mum,

      How nice to find a fellow Guardian reader. They are so few and far between these days. As the name suggests I herald from Yorkshire but currently in the North West. As the name does not suggest I am common as muck.

      I would love a Brienne face off with Ramsay but Thrones never gives us what we want so Ramsay will probably decide to throw it all in and live in peace and tranquillity with his twenty good men.

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    109. I probably meant to say I was not a Euron fan. Well it seems some folks (or Sam at least) had a laugh out of it. I’m much better at proof-reading other peoples’ stuff than my own.

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    110. Dolorous Methuselah,

      There are no “bastard boys” on the show (as far as we know) — the only hunt we saw was just Ramsay and Myranda.

      Regardless, Roose would never order anything but maximal pursuit (though it really wouldn’t be necessary; given the conditions, it should take about five minutes).

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    111. I can see Sansa and Theon making it to the woods, Ramsey pursuing with his dogs, and then Pod and Brienne save the day. Ramsay is killed, Sansa is saved, but I’m not sure where Sansa and Theon go from there. South to Deepwood I guess. Going north not an option in many ways.

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    112. I am wondering why “some” would feel there is a good fighting match between Brienne and Ramsay. The woman beat The Hound flat out. And she has this really big broadsword made of Valarian steel no less. Why would a scrawny (yes I think Ramsay is scrawny) guy like Ramsay be any sort of competition for her? Not that Ramsay can’t fight like a crazy man…..(hello, take on Asha and all the Iron born dudes)….still we are talking Brienne here. I don’t think that Ramsay would stand a chance.

      Regards what will Ramsay do when he returns to Winterfell and finds Myranda dead and Sansa/Theon gone……he will freak and want to find them right away. I think he will have half the people searching Winterfell, questioning people there and the other half out searching for them. I do think the point of Wimsey is cogent tho, one good storm and the tracks will be gone. Then again, one good snow storm and Sansa/Theon would be hard pressed to go on. That is why I think “someone” will find them. They are in the same vicinity as Brienne and Pod…so that is my guess.

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    113. Ravyn,

      Clarke getting in alongside Headey was the big surprise to me (expect lots of discussion as to whether this will negatively affect Headey’s chances).

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    114. Sean C.:
      Ravyn,

      Clarke getting in alongside Headey was the big surprise to me (expect lots of discussion as to whether this will negatively affect Headey’s chances).

      I don’t think it has much chance of winning anything on Primetime night, not with it being a Mad Men kinda night. I frankly don’t care about the Emmys (guess what? Never watched them). Its just nice to see the people you like get recognized and it’ll be a good night for them (I have no doubt HBO submitted Ep8 for Dinklage and Clarke, and that’s what sealed it, btw). Did Sapochnik get a nom for “Hardhome”? I can’t find that anywhere.

      EDIT: And GoT received more nominations than any show this year. But shocked the VFX nom didn’t go to Hardhome but to Ep9.

      EDIT 2: OK, apparently for some baffling reason, Hardhome wasn’t submitted for VFX consideration, only Dance of Dragons.

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    115. Milady de Yorkshire,
      Well hello there fellow reader *waves*. Did you ever read Sarah Hughes’s blog on the Grauniad website? (Not sure if you’re old enough to get that joke?) They have some really entertaining posters. It’s the only other GoT-related fan site I follow, apart from the occasional dip into Reddit, ‘cos there’s simply too many of them. I was lucky to find this one early on, back in the site-we-don’t-mention days, and stuck with it.

      If this was real life I’d want to know more about why Ramsay is so damaged and suggest he needed long term professional help in somewhere like Broadmoor, but it’s not so I hope he suffers a hideous fate and very soon. I don’t think I can even wait until next April for it. Imagine if the show was written by bleeding heart liberals like me and set in the present day. It would be about as different as it’s possible to be and probably a lot shorter. But sooooo dull in comparison, so lucky it’s not! 😉

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    116. Ravyn,

      The Emmys have been (wrongly) ignoring “Mad Men” in terms of actual wins for the last few years (and its actors have ludicrously never won anything), so I’m as yet unconvinced that Mad Men is going to be a big winner this time around.

      But if Jon Hamm doesn’t win, I’ll be angry forever.

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    117. Games of Thrones leads Emmy nominations with 24. Excellent. Hard to believe that GoT will win. But it is always flattering to just be nominated??? NO we want to WIN!!

      😀 Congratulations to all the GoT cast, writers, producers and directors. Stand ins, stunt folk, set design, costume design and more. It takes a village to raise a Game of Thrones.

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    118. Is Isaac’s hair long enough to play Bran or is he going to have to wear those awful hair extensions again like in season 4?

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    119. clouddragon:
      How was Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken nominated for best Directing when Hardhome wasn’t?

      That’s really baffling that HBO even submitted that, perhaps over Hardhome (I have no idea if Hardhome was submitted, or not).

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    120. The first read throughs of the script were today according to the comic con coverage. So I guess many were converging for that.

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    121. Ravyn,

      It just looks strange not even to see movement. They had the costume designers little girl play Dany and Drogo’s son and she was darling. The kid wouldn’t have to do much, just act like a normal baby. Maybe cry or spit up now and then.

      chameleon,

      Maybe Roose’s sentries were hired by the same company as Stannis’ and are therefore also blind and deaf….Acme Sentries Corporation?

      HA! Yeah, its not like they had to ride very far. We’ll, Im hoping that Sansa and Theon end up meeting Briene, or that Theon finds a sword, remembers he can fight, and does so, killing Ramsey. One can only hope.

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    122. Arthur,

      And give our track record, probably wont get any. Frustrating that as popular is the show has become, the critics or whoever votes for these things don’t get it. I hope I am wrong, of course.

      That being said however, congrats to everyone involved! Despite how frustrated I may get with how things go, I am always impressed with the actors, and am in awe of the folks who design the special effects, costumes and sets. Congrats on your nominations, well deserved!

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    123. ash:
      Arthur,

      And give our track record, probably wont get any. Frustrating that as popular is the show has become, the critics or whoever votes for these things don’t get it.I hope I am wrong, of course.

      Like Return of the King, they’ll have to wait until their finale, Season 7, to get their due.

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    124. JCDavis:
      Games of Thrones leads Emmy nominations with 24.Excellent.Hard to believe that GoT will win.But it is always flattering to just be nominated???NO we want to WIN!!

      Congratulations to all the GoT cast, writers, producers and directors.Stand ins, stunt folk, set design, costume design and more.It takes a village to raise a Game of Thrones.

      OOOOH now we need the Emmy Noms thread!!

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    125. JCDavis,

      I am super happy to hear that… they never win enough though.. it bothers me. Usually Breaking Bad or whatever other show wins. GOT NEEDS TO WIN NOW. Can anyone explain to me why they haven’t won much?!?!?!

      clouddragon,

      I thought that episode deserved a best directing nom. But Hardhomme also…

      And yes, we need an Emmy Noms THREAD!

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    126. Ravyn: That’s really baffling that HBO even submitted that, perhaps over Hardhome (I have no idea if Hardhome was submitted, or not).

      I guess we’ll have an Emmy noms thread but seriously…that fucking useless scene with the Sand Snakes was nominated over Hardhome? REALLY??

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    127. Sean C.:
      Ravyn,

      The Emmys have been (wrongly) ignoring “Mad Men” in terms of actual wins for the last few years (and its actors have ludicrously never won anything), so I’m as yet unconvinced that Mad Men is going to be a big winner this time around.

      But if Jon Hamm doesn’t win, I’ll be angry forever.

      OMG totally. Give the man his Emmy in the final fucking year for one of the greatest shows on TV. Jesus!

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    128. Milady de Yorkshire:
      Lulu’s Mum,

      How nice to find a fellow Guardian reader. They are so few and far between these days. As the name suggests I herald from Yorkshire but currently in the North West. As the name does not suggest I am common as muck.

      I would love a Brienne face off with Ramsay but Thrones never gives us what we want so Ramsay will probably decide to throw it all in and live in peace and tranquillity with his twenty good men.

      O/T *waves hands* Regular Guardian reader and I’m born and bred in California! Their coverage of Grexit has been insurmountable, not to mention their work with Snowden on a par with the Pentagon Papers but now we’re getting into politics here…so I’ll just say I always read their great TV recaps…The Guardian RULES!

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    129. chameleon: I guess we’ll have an Emmy noms thread but seriously…that fucking useless scene with the Sand Snakes was nominated over Hardhome?REALLY??

      Yeah, other than some technical awards (nothing to sneeze at!!!), the Emmys didn’t seem to really respond to Hardhome. Really surprised Sapochnik was overlooked, since Neil Marshall scored for Watchers on The Wall. However, I’ll wager it was Hardhome episode that got Emilia her nomination with the “break the wheel” speech.

      On the other hand, good to see The Queen of Thorns nominated again.

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    130. Deesensfan:
      I am super happy to hear that… they never win enough though.. it bothers me. Usually Breaking Bad or whatever other show wins. GOT NEEDS TO WIN NOW. Can anyone explain to me why they haven’t won much?!?!?!

      It’s not more complicated than voters picking other programs as their favourite. The show has great production values and thus reaps an enormous number of technical nominations every year. But unlike, say, the Oscars, voting for the tech categories is not really an influence on the “big” ones, where GOT has never been nearly a successful (though it has gotten a nice share).

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    131. Sean C.:
      Dolorous Methuselah,

      There are no “bastard boys” on the show (as far as we know) — the only hunt we saw was just Ramsay and Myranda.

      Regardless, Roose would never order anything but maximal pursuit (though it really wouldn’t be necessary; given the conditions, it should take about five minutes).

      My bad. Sometimes the books and show get conflated in my head. Well, Myranda won’t be helping him this hunt, that’s for sure. Maybe he would bring his “20 good men” on the hunt?

      Though I do agree that Roose would have the good sense to send more than a very small force outside the gates in the aftermath of a battle. I think Ramsey might take off before Roose can stop him though.

      I’m assuming it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Sansa and Theon DO get caught and brought back. That would be a very dark story-line and would likely engender some complaints but I could see that advancing the story in some ways. Maybe in different ways than them getting away would of course.

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    132. Angela,

      Hey, he doesn’t have to be killed in combat! I think the fact that he completely broke Theon would make it sweet from a karma perspective that Theon ended him. Plus him ending Theon’s chance to continue his lineage coult be balanced by Theon contributing to bringing Ramsay’s whole house down. Wonder how well he can still hold a bow? Plus as Locke mentioned, pretty sure ShaggyDog would be more than up to the task! Him being hunted through the forest by him or even Nymeria’s pack (if they wander north) would be particulary poetic.

      Ser Oromis Locke,

      I think I preferred her book story as although it was generally as uneventful as the show she at least was doing her own thing and almost hopelessly trying to fulfil her vows of finding the Stark girls. Plus she recieved more sympathy when she encountered some of her past at Maidenpool and also took a few lumps at the hands of numerous bandits. She seems to just pick them up when she likes in the show. Not to mention her book character was much more endearing as being a trier who doesn’t always succeed and is quite naive about honour than the show’s wonderwoman who is dull and also ends more interesting characters participation. Have to say Brienne is now without doubt my least favourite character in the show. Her initial likeability has completely drained away.

      JCDavis,

      Plus he’d be gimped because Brienne doesn’t fight anyone unless they’re already at a disadvantage! 😛 Still bugs me to some extent at how they’ve put her fighting skills on steroids!

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    133. chameleon,
      Hi again *fellow Guardian reader wave*. Best to avoid politics unless we’re trying to completely break the site but *whispers* they’re very pro-wildlife conservation I’m sure they’d be GKP fans 😉

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    134. Robb Snow,

      Jorah is living on borrowed time of course, and I think Daario might discover Jorah’s little secret on their journey to find Dany and be killed to keep it quiet.

      I hope this happens because this would be outright wrong and truly show how self-centered Jorah’s character truly is – even his love for Dany is ultimately based on what he wants not what is best for her.

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    135. viki:
      Robb Snow,

      I hope this happens because this would be outright wrong and truly show how self-centered Jorah’s character truly is – even his love for Dany is ultimately based on what he wants not what is best for her.

      Yes – one of the most interesting things about Jorah is his tragic flaw – selfishness vs actual love. Would love to see this happen, too!

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    136. Lulu’s Mum,

      Good chance of survival: Bran; Brienne; Davos; Edd; Gilly; Hodor; Pod; Rickon: Sam; Sansa; Yara;

      The problem with your list ( and of course you are bias towards the (seemingly) good ) but the good don’t tend to survive and this is GOT – good, gray, and bad are both going to survive. Killing everyone except a handful of ‘good’ people would be completely unrealistic, even if this is a fantasy.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if there is a Throne ‘winner’ it ends up being someone no one would choose as a ‘good’ person, but ultimately wins in the end because everyone else was killed and there are few left to organize, rule, etc. – like Littlefinger. Not a happy thought, but still a reasonable possibility.

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    137. viki:

      It wouldn’t surprise me if there is a Throne ‘winner’ it ends up being someone no one would choose as a ‘good’ person, but ultimately wins in the end because everyone else was killed and there are few left to organize, rule, etc. – like Littlefinger. Not a happy thought, but still a reasonable possibility.

      If that happens (yikes) it could be a case of “be careful what you wish for” for Littlefinger. His supposed victory may end up a punishment/nightmare for him.

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    138. viki,
      My list is of course total guess work, not remotely scientific and very definitely some wishful thinking – I like nice people, they make for a boring story but I still like them – but most are there due to the lack of threat they pose to others which would make them, in my mind, less of a target.

      I started off with why wouldn’t they die? as a default setting and that’s mainly who was left. Brienne, Pod, Yara, Davos and Edd should really be upgraded to probablys as they are all the sort to get stuck into a fight but are a mixture of don’t want to jinx thems or couldn’t decides. I’m certain some of my fairly safes are going to get it, probably all of them in S6 ep 1 just to show how futile my hopes are of anyone getting a remotely happy ending. I won’t be at all surprised if every single character we know is dead by the very end. I would say by the end of the next episode but all the ones after that are going to be a bit quiet plot-wise if that happens! 😉

      Realised I hadn’t thought about Baby Sam and Wun Wun, so I’m gonna go Lulu’s Mum the Frog and predict them for King and Hand ruling over what and who ever is left.

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    139. Dolorous Methuselah:
      I’m assuming it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Sansa andTheon DO get caught and brought back.That would be a very dark story-line and would likely engender some complaints but I could see that advancing the story in some ways.Maybe in different ways than them getting away would of course.

      I would call that outside the realm of possibility, because Theon and Jeyne get away in the books, and this is following that plotline (except without their original destination, since Stannis’ army was destroyed).

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    140. Ravyn: Like Return of the King, they’ll have to wait until their finale, Season 7, to get their due.

      This. I have to wonder that if GoT has the most nominations at 24, what will it look like after Season 7?

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    141. Kind-of off-topic, but I don’t really have anywhere else to share these thoughts!

      I had this weird idea the other day that maybe Sansa’s arc* won’t ever include her independence. Like, that’d be the ultimate unexpected plot twist: she lives a victim and tries to assert herself but simply stays a victim forever, and her ending just peters out. Not that I would EVER want that, but I also never wanted Ned to die, and look what happened there! I think it’d also be rather iffy re: whether it’s good or bad writing, but hey, The Hunger Games essentially ended the same way for its main female protagonist — hurt and pain and never-ending victimization.

      * On the show, anyway. I seem to recall a Sansa sample chapter from TWoW in which she’s already bossing folks around and standing up for herself, so I dunno.

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    142. Lionthing,

      You should check out Game of Thrones Academy on youtube. They have a very interesting theory on what happens to Sansa and I love it!

      She could very well just end up a victim though, it isn’t like she has any true knights/soldiers on her side right now, nor dragons. Sophie T. really did make a good point when she said Sansa’s plotting is essentially on the inside and just trying to stay alive. The fact that she hasn’t just turned given up on all says that she is internally a strong character, as with all the Starks.

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    143. JCDavis:
      I am wondering why “some” would feel there is a good fighting match between Brienne and Ramsay.The woman beat The Hound flat out.And she has this really big broadsword made of Valarian steel no less.Why would a scrawny (yes I think Ramsay is scrawny) guy like Ramsay be any sort of competition for her?Not that Ramsay can’t fight like a crazy man…..(hello, take on Asha and all the Iron born dudes)….still we are talking Brienne here.I don’t think that Ramsay would stand a chance.

      In a straight up fair fight, I agree that Brienne could beat Ramsay…but Ramsay won’t fight fair. I fortunately don’t have any experience in real combat, but in video games, usually the most infuriatingly difficult parts are escort missions, where you have to protect someone else and prevent them from being killed…and that’s exactly the situation that Brienne would find herself in.

      My expectation is that Ramsay would be overconfident (since he’s expecting to be chasing down just Sansa and Theon), so he would go alone, except for a bunch of dogs.

      If Sansa and Theon run, and Brienne stands her ground to stop Ramsay, that would put a bit of distance between her and the people she’s defending. Then Ramsay could loose the dogs against Sansa and Theon, and then attack Brienne with his crazy psycho fury while she was rushing to defend them. Brienne might be able to kill a dog or two as they ran past, but if they took a wide path out of her reach on both sides, she wouldn’t be able to get them all.

      That would put her in the unfortunate position of needing to turn her back to Ramsay to defend Sansa. It’s exactly the sort of situation that makes escort missions in video games so annoying…you need to have a reckless disregard for your own safety to keep your charges alive.

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    144. They will all die, the white walkers are going to win, mark my words GRRM is giggling inside so hard he could explode at this ending.

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    145. Yeah, but I thought the Season 4 Isaac actor was nothing like the Bran we saw on screen for Season 4. They either make him wear a wig in spite of his already-long brown hair, or they re-dye it a slightly lighter shade and “frizz” it’s style for the show. In the “Ice and Fire: A Foreshadowing” trailer, we see him talking on set with this different, lighter, stragglier hair – it looks like a wig. I wondered why the producers had him wearing that wig we see throughout the series when his own hair would be just fine – however lightening a person’s hair (as the wig or Bran’s dye job indicates) makes a person appear younger, I guess. Why they curled/fluffed out his hair is a mystery to me – it’s not like that initially. They may be making a tonne of changes in makeup to Isaac to hide his growing age. “A bit of pink powder below your cheek brow to make you look more cherubic, my dear!” (?)

      JCDavis:
      I have to say,Isaac (Bran) doesn’t look very Bran-ish to me any longer.He has a more mature face. No tweener chubby cheeks.Reference the photo in one of the topics just below this one from the end of season 4.That is going to be awkward.

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    146. Sean C.,

      You’re so wrong in this sansa’s arc from season 5 only looks like that particular storyline from the book, they’re different in truly basic aspects like the fact that sansa is not jeyne now i know that you already expressed your disagreement with sansa’s season 5 storyline which is such a shame, because her arc was just brilliant now i hope we get into a discussion in a more related topic later on so…

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    147. I would be OK with everyone dying, except for these guys:

      Tyrion, Arya, Brienne, Bronn, Jaime, Hodor, Edd, Varys, Margaery, Davos, Olenna and Littlefinger (really, I like him) and the ZOMBIE MOUNTAIN.

      But, from this list, I think The Mountain, Olenna, Bronn and Margaery will probably die next season. Not sure why, though.

      And yes, I really wanna see Thoros, Beric and Blackfish back.

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    148. TheTouchOfFrost:
      Angela,

      Hey, he doesn’t have to be killed in combat! I think the fact that he completely broke Theon would make it sweet from a karma perspective that Theon ended him. Plus him ending Theon’s chance to continue his lineage coult be balanced by Theon contributing to bringing Ramsay’s whole house down. Wonder how well he can still hold a bow? Plus as Locke mentioned, pretty sure ShaggyDog would be more than up to the task! Him being hunted through the forest by him or even Nymeria’s pack (if they wander north) would be particulary poetic.

      There is going to be some type of fight. We will find out who they will use in April.

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    149. Flora Linden: Point taken. But for a war prisoner, chained in one place under terrible conditions indefinitely, time gets blurry. What is nine, ten months feels like a year – or an eternity.

      To me it doesn’t feel like five years have passed. Three at the most, but not five.

      It’s all good, we’ll agree to disagree.

      Agreed. Sansa was 13 in the pilot and 14 when she married Tyrion, in the end of season 3.

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    150. I’m thinking the Tyrells will be hit hard next season – Marg, Loras and Mace are all likely deaths. Daario seems the most likely death of Dany’s crew and in the north both Roose and Ramsay. Kevan, Pycelle, Lancel and Tommen.

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    151. LordDavos,
      I think, off the top of my head, they are the only major House we have met at least a few people from who haven’t lost anyone so far? (Apart from the elder brothers and any others who never made it to screen in the first place.) This is GoT, that surely can’t continue!

      Vaguely related: I’m certain I read back around S2 time that Hugh Dancy was going to be either Willas or Garlan, but that was dropped after he got Hannibal, which has now been cancelled. Maybe he’ll suddenly turn up in S6 out of thin air to avenge his imprisoned siblings and Olenna will say “oh yeah, I forgot Mace had more than two kids” and carry on as if it’s not a glaring plot hole. In fact, maybe they’ll just sign up the entire Hannibal cast wholesale and Gillian Anderson will be Euron 😉

      Does anyone else remember the HD as a Tyrell thing or have I lost my mind (yet again)? >_<

      EDIT: I seem to have broken the space time continuum, this is a reply to Lord Davos but according to my screen I posted 2.5 hours before him. Cleganebowl CONFIRMED!! GET HYPE!!

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    152. Lulu’s Mum

      Time travel 🙂

      Yes the Tyrells have it coming. The Starks, being the first to look down and out, could be the first to stage a recovery.

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    153. Lulu’s Mum: In fact, maybe they’ll just sign up the entire Hannibal cast wholesale and Gillian Anderson will be Euron

      Well she does do a good English accent!

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