Game of Owns: A Man and His Elk

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Episode 260 – A Man and His Elk
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Thirty-five hundred strong march with King Robb toward the Twins, and the Young Wolf has a plan. Beyond the Wall, Sam and Gilly pray for Whitetree, greeted by friends old and new.



Discussion Topics
The Westerlings
Rainy journey
Cat’s introspection
Tristifer’s tomb
The pirate and the plan
Let this be Whitetree
Living the dream
The attack
A new friend
Owns of the Chapters
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    1. I’m sure I won’t be the first or the last to point this out, but – the Seven are not the Old Gods, they’re the New. And I don’t think the song is about the Children of the Forest, it’s just a lullaby.

      And Catelyn gets my own for her chapter, for the historical background info she supplies: from the story of Tristifer, over the Blackfyre rebellions due to legitimization of bastards, to memories of her childhood with Petyr. Honorary own to the Mormonts, because Mormonts own.

      Sam very nearly gets a dis-own for his chapter, just for singing to Gilly, Craster’s daughter, about how the Father loves the little children. But he makes up for it later on. Still, I give my own to the murder of ravens descending on the wights.

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    2. I was hoping it would’ve gotten noticed by Zack or Eric that Euron Greyjoy is the drowned crow with seaweed on this wings from the crones dream in the previous Arya chapter. Though that may be because I’m biased.

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

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    3. Lyanna Mormont:
      I’m sure I won’t be the first or the last to point this out, but – the Seven are not the Old Gods, they’re the New. And I don’t think the song is about the Children of the Forest, it’s just a lullaby.

      And Catelyn gets my own for her chapter, for the historical background info she supplies: from the story of Tristifer, over the Blackfyre rebellions due to legitimization of bastards, to memories of her childhood with Petyr. Honorary own to the Mormonts, because Mormonts own.

      Sam very nearly gets a dis-own for his chapter, just for singing to Gilly, Craster’s daughter, about how the Father loves the little children. But he makes up for it later on. Still, I give my own to the murder of ravens descending on the wights.

      Sam’s own father was hardly loving or caring. He’s not singing about Craster or Randyll, he’s singing about the deity, the ideal representation of justice and “fatherly” qualities. Just because her father and his father were terrible, doesn’t mean he can’t like Father. As a matter of fact, someone who had a crappy father may even be more invested in having a god/an ideal father figure as replacement.

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    4. 3500? I thought Robb had at least 10,000.

      Al Swearengen:
      Instead of Coldhands we got Ros…….

      And instead of Victarion (hopefully we’ll at least get Euron), we get more than enough boring ass Tyrells.

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    5. Stone Cold Bastard,

      If you listen to the Bryan Cogman commentary on episode 6 he suggests that Yara/Asha is heading back to try and claim her fathers throne. Not sure if that means we’ll get Victarion or Euron but least its more than I thought we’d get. Victarion get shafted the most. To my knowledge he’s the character that has povs that will more than likely get cut completely from the show.

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

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    6. kdenn1020:
      Shit I’m like 15 minutes in and I’ve heard Kate’s voice like twice. Damn she hates Catelyn

      She didn’t sound Catelyn-hating, at least not in this episode.

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    7. Nick Hartley:
      Stone Cold Bastard,

      If you listen to the Bryan Cogman commentary on episode 6 he suggests that Yara/Asha is heading back to try and claim her fathers throne. Not sure if that means we’ll get Victarion or Euron but least its more than I thought we’d get. Victarion get shafted the most. To my knowledge he’s the character that has povs that will more than likely get cut completely from the show.

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

      Ray Stevenson as Euron would be epic.

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    8. kdenn1020,

      Actually, I believe Kate had it right on this occasion. Her thoughts on Cat’s pervasive doom and gloom attitude throughout the past few chapters was much appreciated. Cat’s attitude was truly prescient (for her own future as well). I thought her idea that GRRM intentionally numbed the reader’s worries about the dangers at the Twins because Cat was always fretting in her chapters. So much deflection with strategies and talk of heirs and Howland Reed! No one ever saw the RW coming! I love discussions of this stuff!

      I also absolutely loved that the Cat chapter essentially served as the introduction to the ironborn storyline in AFfC. All this history and strategy and daunting discussions before the unthinkable happened. Huge chapter. Still have chills.

      Thanks again, GOO!

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    9. Mullendore’s Monkey: And no will

      When Chekhov wrote his famous dictum, he should have added a caveat: don’t blame the author if the readers are looking at the family portraits while the author is mounting a gun…..

      Stone Cold Bastard: And instead of Victarion (hopefully we’ll at least get Euron),

      Has ever a character who does not even have a speaking line in a book gotten such reverence? I think that some readers are going to be very disappointed by this!

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    10. Wimsey,

      I’m not disagreeing that Euron is somewhat overrated, especially compared to Victarion, but I believe Euron has quite a few lines of dialogue duing the kingsmoot.

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

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    11. Nick Hartley:
      Wimsey,

      I’m not disagreeing that Euron is somewhat overrated, especially compared to Victarion, but I believe Euron has quite a few lines of dialogue duing the kingsmoot.

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

      During the kingsmoot and after

      when he’s sending Victarion on the mission.

      He’s a pretty (unintentionally) ridiculous character IMO, but he’ll probably be in the show. They can’t let Balon live forever and completely ignore the Ironborn storyline. I like Victarion better as a character because he’s written intentionally to be a dumbass who provides some black comedy, but I think his role in the book plot is not such that he couldn’t be cut.

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    12. Nick Hartley: I’m not disagreeing that Euron is somewhat overrated, especially compared to Victarion, but I believe Euron has quite a few lines of dialogue duing the kingsmoot.

      If so, then I did not find them very memorable! But, then, I suspect that GRRM let Robert Jordan write Crows…. 😀

      Annara Snow: They can’t let Balon live forever and completely ignore the Ironborn storyline.

      Ah, but they can because it is not a storyline, it is a plot line. GRRM has tried to superimpose the story onto it, but not very successfully. And if the payoff is just to

      get a dragon taming horn and a bunch of boats to Daeny

      , then the TV show can cut the corners and the audience will be no more wiser about it than they were about Merry Brandybuck’s sword in Return of the King.

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    13. Wimsey: If so, then I did not find them very memorable!But, then, I suspect that GRRM let Robert Jordan write Crows….

      What? How about

      You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.

      Or

      I shall give you Lannisport. Highgarden. The Arbor. Oldtown. The riverlands and the Reach, the kingswood and the rainwood, Dorne and the marches, the Mountains of the Moon and the Vale of Arryn, Tarth and the Stepstones. I say we take it all! I say, we take Westeros.

      (both copied from AWoIaF). By the way, I think more spoiler tags should be used here.

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    14. I don’t agree.

      Only the Crow’s Eye is that megalomaniac, risky, boastful, “je m’en fous” kind of man. The only character which is slightly similar is Daario, which is where all the silly theories come from. Euron is more or less a fusion between show-Baelish and Daario. Amped up to 11. With chainsaws. Put on fire. To the tune of Verdi’s Dies Irae. With a mysterious whisper though, which is what makes him the wild card that he is.

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    15. Wimsey,

      Euron is a pretty memorable character because of how malevolent and cunning he is. One does not need much page time to make in impact. Just look at how popular the Blackfish is. It’s ok to have a different opinion but don’t be-little others opinions for liking him. I can easily say that a character you like is not memorable, that doesn’t make it true

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    16. Turncloak: It’s ok to have a different opinion but don’t be-little others opinions for liking him.

      As “liking” Euron has no bearing on the conversation (anymore that it represents an “opinion”), I cannot be belittling anybody for doing so! I can, however, dispute the opinion that Euron is particularly “memorable”: that is a completely separate issue. Let us suppose that Euron is malevolent and cunning (which he might be: but the character is so poorly developed in the book that this is hard to ascertain). That puts him on a long list of characters in this series: many of whom are much better developed (and thus much more memorable) than Euron is. The lines quoted above could have been uttered by many characters. The big difference is: GRRM stresses has those other characters utter many, many more lines than he has Euron utter, which again makes those characters much more memorable than Euron is.

      And those are the things that make characters memorable: uniqueness and emphasis. I see neither here.

      I also really doubt that Euron is ever going to be important in the series as anything other than a plot-device. Much like Merry Brandybuck’s Arnorian sword, that plot device might be glossed over without any of the audience being any the wiser.

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