Filming Resumes After the Emmys, Plus A Season 7 Return!

ravenWith the Emmys over, the cast of Game of Thrones is heading back to Belfast and filming has resumed. Along with the latest sightings, we also have some news regarding a return and a new casting notice for season 7.

WotW’s Petra is visiting Belfast at the moment and happened to run into a few cast members hanging out together while she was out and about:

Traveling through Europe and she’s still reporting: nicely done, Petra.

The studios must be very busy at the moment. In addition the above trio, other actors are due in town. In Emmys interviews, Emilia Clarke, Sophie Turner, and Maisie Williams all confirmed they were set to return to work shortly, with Clarke leaving Los Angeles on Monday and the other women arriving in Belfast on Wednesday. Nathalie Emmanuel tweeted about her return to the city, and we’ve heard from other sources that Jacob Anderson is headed back to Belfast for filming this week.

Our sources have provided news of another return, which we’ll tuck below a cut just to stay on the safe side.

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ThorosReliable sources have informed us that Paul Kaye will be returning to Game of Thrones in season seven as Thoros of Myr. We’ve also heard that we’ll be seeing more of Thoros than we did in season six.

It’s not a huge shock that Kaye is returning as he surfaced after a long absence, along with Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without Banners, in the season six episode “No One.” Thoros and Beric were last seen offering a resistant Hound a place with the Brotherhood. Given Thoros’ continued presence on the show next year, I think it’s a safe bet that the Hound has accepted their offer and will be traveling north with the outlaws, as they journey to fight those cold winds rising.

In addition to our sightings, we also have this casting update from a source: Game of Thrones is searching for a Fierce Warrior. The character isn’t an exact match for any of the characters mentioned in the big batch of casting notices we shared in August. However it is similar to a couple of them, with some changes, so it’s possible that the show, being unable to find what they were looking for, shifted gears and changed the description.

He’s described as a fierce warrior, 30 to 45 age range, ideally with mixed ethnicity or Middle Eastern heritage. They’re looking for a charismatic actor, at least 6 feet tall with an intimidating, muscular physique. Apparently the character is seen “significantly” over several episodes but doesn’t have much dialogue, only a couple lines. He’s going to be fitted for a long-haired wig (presuming the actor doesn’t have it naturally), so that combined with the ethnicity requirements points toward this being another Dothraki character.

The character will be filming in late September, plus over three weeks beginning October 21st, and possibly more after November 22nd.

Thoughts on the latest casting news?

Sue the Fury
Susan Miller, Editor in Chief of WatchersOnTheWall.com

138 Comments

  1. And it begins again! 🙂

    Fingers crossed for yet another great season.

    Nice to hear Paul Kaye is back for S7.

  2. Dothraki are boring, hope them and the unsullied are wiped out, and Dany is shockingly defeated. Team Lannister!

  3. Is Melisandre gonna stay in the North disguising as an old lady or is she going to go south and meet Thoros on the way?

    My bet is that she’s gonna be with the brotherhood. Thoros is there (and now we know that he’ll appear a lot). Hound is there (his fear of fire & red witch who burns people as a hobby). Arya was last seen not too far away and she’s bound to come across hound sooner or later. Melisandre said they’re gonna meet again.

    So I guess Thoros, Mel, Arya and Hound will come across in season 7. Maybe they’ll go to Winterfell together?

  4. I wander around Belfast all the time and I’ve yet to encounter a single recognisable cast or crew member. Some people have all the luck…

  5. There was no way Beric and Thoros wouldn’t be returning with larger roles after how their plot ended last season. The characters I’m most curious about at this point are Daario, since they structured that in a way that could completely plausibly drop him, but left him alive, and Edmure, since you would think Arya would release him and he’d have a role to play in Northern politics, but I have no clue what it would be.

  6. I missed the BwB so much. I’m glad Thoros is getting a bigger role. I hope they all make it to Winterfell with Arya and the Hound. Can you imagine Jon meeting Beric?

  7. Flayed Potatoes:
    Can you imagine Jon meeting Beric?

    Brotherhood won’t pledge themselves to any lord’s cause but I think Melisandre will convince them that Jon is the Azor Ahai and they should serve him.

  8. Dark Guy,

    Given that Daenerys had been smooth sailing through Essos when it comes to conquering cities (she just had not handled the ruling part well), it’d be refreshing for her to start suffering heavy losses. Her victory over the Lannister/Grejoy army/navy, especially if it comes quite easy, will be boring, cliched and predictable. Not to mention such a huge army of Dothraki is not good news to anyone in Westeros, especially common folk. They need to be eradicated for the good of the Realm.
    I’m not fond of Cersei, less so of Euron, I want them both dead next season but not defeated by Daenerys

  9. Alfie, Isaac, and Kit: that’s a new trio. And also the last 3 left standing from the scene where Ned beheads the NW deserter.

    It’s nice to get confirmation that there’ll be more of Thoros in S7 than there was in S6. Can’t wait to see the Hound and the BwB again now that they’re officially on the same side. I really hope Thoros and Beric reach Jon and give him insight into R’hllor and resurrection, and of course help out with the coming war.

  10. I’d rather see random flashbacks of Arthur Dayne and Rhaegar than more of those Dothraki meatheads. Oh Gods of GOT, give them to us.

    More of BwB is always good. I’m glad we have Beric and not Lady Stoneheart on the show.

  11. icequinn:

    . . .it’d be refreshing for her to start suffering heavy losses.

    Her victory. . .if it comes quite easy, will be boring, cliched and predictable. Not to mention such a huge army of Dothraki is not good news to anyone in Westeros, especially common folk. They need to be eradicated for the good of the Realm.

    I agree – warfare, mass killing and dead bodies everywhere are the best refreshment and never boring.

  12. Here it goes ..bring in all the hateful comments..such a surprise

    All the talk about dothraki last season and casting them ended up them having 10 mins of screentime in 3 episodes..

    dragonreborn,

    I guess it will happen like this..

    Mel – Jon is AAr because LOL brought him back from dead.

    Thoros – then Beric is seven times AAR because LOL has brought him back 7 times

    Mel hears a noise and turns to look at the sky and sees a shadow fly across the sky and then changes her mind once again

  13. dragonbringer:

    Flora Linden,

    Well it is if the recipient is daenerys

    You’re right. Sorry, my bad.

    I keep thinking about everybody as human beings with flesh and blood and feelings and flaws and souls and the precious gift of Life.

    They’re just cannon fodder and cattle to be butchered to relieve boredom.

    Got it.

  14. You haters should be ashamed!

    Team Dany will have problems, but she will kick some Cersei´s ass

    She has a savage army and another very disciplined one, that makes for a…balanced army, I suppose.

    Dany can use the Dothraki screamers to make the Lords bend the knee, and the disciplined Unsullied to take KL without much horror.

    The dothraki (Dany), the mountain clans (Tyrion) and the wildlings (Jon) are all wild for Westeros standards, but don´t forget they had a fucking family whose sigil was a flayed man that was followed by most the honourable noble houses of the noble North without question.

    In my view, as long as Dany is bringing not only the Dothraki, but social change also, I care nothing about the stupid lords in their castles. The smallfolk has paid for their stupidity. Only Littlefinger has profited.

    A Kahl is needed to crown that nobody.

  15. Dark Guy:
    Dothraki are boring, hope them and the unsullied are wiped out, and Dany is shockingly defeated. Team Lannister!

    I agree. Plus, Cersei is the villain I root for, so, anything to keep her holding on for just a little while longer…*thumbs up*.

    As a side, they LIVE casting Dothraki. And all for like 15 minutes of insignificant material for the season. Serious question: if the Dothraki make it through whatever is coming for this season…would they even survive the winter? And I don’t mean because of the white walkers, I mean because of the climate/temperatures. It would seem to me that they’re not built for that sort of environment.

  16. dragonreborn,

    Me too ..its a shame its going to be only seven episode season ..Hope they have all scenes have enough time to breathe and not rushed ..

    Well my list of expected reactions is

    Cersei learning about tyrion coming with dany as her hand ..

    Cersei reactions to dragons and dany will be epic ..since she will now start to know who is YMBQ

    LF reactions to the news of dany and how varys is with her..

    Arya and dany ..if they meet and I hope they will ..they will become the sisters very soon and understand each other very well after all they went through..

    Jon and dany – this will be the most talked about scene of the entire series..and I just hope its done well

    Dany and Sam

    Dany and Jamie

    Dany and olenna tyrell and Dany and sand snakes – this will be fun to watch I guess

    I don’t know how sansa will be reacting to this ..

    But the one scene I am looking forward most is mel’s reactions to dany and dragons..

  17. I’m hoping for Jon vs Dany and for Dany to be foolish enough to try to invade the North. The nature will destroy what forces she will have left after her war with Cersei.

  18. icequinn,
    She has had it rather easy in conquering. Her difficulty at ruling the Slaver Cities came from marching in and immediately forcing a cultural change of leaders and rich that were happy and didn’t want change. In Westeros one would assume she won’t be changing the culture as much as just ruling kindly, fairly and working to assist the downtrodden.

    I’ve kind of written all this before but wth…
    I actually think she should have it rather ‘easy,’ except for overthrowing Cersei and Euron. Westeros below The North needs to become united. The people need to CHOOSE Daenerys as their queen though rather than be forced for that to happen. She needs to earn the support of the Houses and the people which I think she can do diplomatically once they see she is a far better option than Cersei, whom nobody loves. I can see the Houses one by one joining her side with little confrontation but a ‘big battle’ occurs between Cersei-Euron when they will not fold to Daenerys and the rest.

    Just as it pretty much has been for the past three seasons, I’d really like The North storyline(s) to essentially remain separate until late in the season. They do have very different concerns after all, so combining it all shouldn’t come until the greatest concern becomes a problem for them all.

  19. icequinn:
    I’m hoping for Jon vs Dany and for Dany to be foolish enough to try to invade the North. The nature will destroy what forces she will have left after her war with Cersei.

    I doubt Dany will ‘invade’ the North. She has no reason too, and even if she does, the North will bow down. The North has more of a depleted force than Dany does (even after a war with Cersei). Plus, winter is here. The North isn’t going to go to war with anyone except the White Walkers.

    Honestly, I’m a little skeptical Daenerys goes North this season. I think all of her season 7 will be dealing with Cersei and then setting herself up in Kings Landing (if its even there by the time she gets there). Meanwhile, Sansa and Jon’s S7 will be dealing with LF, the Northern Lords/Houses, preparations for winter, the likely return of Bran and maybe Arya, the revelation of his parentage, and their relationship with each other.

  20. Jack Bauer 24:
    What’s John Bradley up to? He wasn’t at the Emmy’s and nothing on him filming yet?

    He was spotted in Belfast last week with Kit. There are photos of him too. He was there in the week the filming started as well.

  21. Ah so great to have Thoros back.I have this feeling that Beric will die for real early on.And don’t worry they always cast like a thousand Dothrakis but they are on screen for ten minutes and have like zero lines lol.

  22. Glóin the Dark:
    I wander around Belfast all the time and I’ve yet to encounter a single recognisable cast or crew member. Some people have all the luck…

    Maybe you need to hang around places near the sound stages, especially in the early evening? I’ll bet the actors like to go knock back a few pints after a long day shooting.

  23. dragonbringer,

    She’s at the other side of the world but all the characters in your list (and more) are begging for interaction with her. GRMM is great at creating potential for interesting events. Maybe that’s why he can’t finish the books.

    and nothing can be more fun than Olenna silencing sand snakes!

  24. i will be disappointed if Daenery doesn’t kill both Cersei and Jon Snow he is booring, she have to be fair and kill both rebels

  25. icequinn,
    The North has no change against Daenerys she is like Million times stronger than Jon Snow , she can incinerate the north forces in less than 2 minute

  26. dragonbringer:
    dragonreborn,

    Me too ..its a shame its going to be only seven episode season ..Hope they have all scenes have enough time to breathe and not rushed ..

    Well my list of expected reactions is

    Cersei learning about tyrion coming withdany as her hand ..

    Cersei reactions to dragons and dany will be epic ..since she will now start to know who is YMBQ

    LF reactions to the news of dany and how varys is with her..

    Arya and dany ..if they meet and I hope they will ..they will become the sisters very soon and understand each other very well after all they went through..

    Jon and dany – this will be the most talked about scene of the entire series..and I just hope its done well

    Dany and Sam

    Dany and Jamie

    Dany and olenna tyrell and Dany and sand snakes – this will be fun to watch I guess

    I don’t know how sansa will be reacting to this ..

    But the one scene I am looking forward most is mel’s reactions to dany and dragons..

    dany and arya??? Arya and Jon should meet, thats the reuinion everyone is waiting for.

  27. duvrov:
    icequinn,
    The North has no change against Daenerys she is like Million times stronger than Jon Snow ,she can incinerate the north forces in less than 2 minute

    Danys army wont be able to handle the cold, so there is that… and her over power atm makes it kind of boring, thats why I am not rooting for her.

  28. dragonreborn: Brotherhood won’t pledge themselves to any lord’s cause but I think Melisandre will convince them that Jon is the Azor Ahai and they should serve him.

    Or maybe Melisandre won’t even have to convince them. Maybe R’hllorhas already shown (one of) his champion to Thoros.

  29. I think most of you are discounting the impact of Euron, and I think that’s a mistake. SPOILER ALERT

    …somehow I missed GRRM’s reading of “The Forsaken” WoW chapter at BaltiCon, probably because i was still recovering after “The Door” had just aired.

    That ultra-dark chapter seriously highlighted previous oblique hints about Euron, suggesting a Yuuuuuge role for him as either Mega Villain or even Ultimate Villain.

    SPOILER Valyrian steel armor? A horn to summon dragons, krakens and sphinxes to his service? Corrupted Greenseering? Unprecedented-scale Blood Warlock’ing? God-slaying? Cthulhu-summoning? Satanic raping?

    Avatar of the Great Other, even? At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to learn Euron awoke the Others/White Walkers! Some are convinced Mega Euron is ultimately Saruman, but he might yet prove to be Sauron.

    I pitied the Queen of Thorns naval fleet as the “Forsaken” chapter came to a close on Aeron “Damphair” Greyjoy’s life.

    I think Euron and an unleashed Cersei will be a serious challenge to Dany n Jon.

  30. duvrov,

    You are bound to be disappointed then. Cersei is Jamie’s to kill and Jon will die fighting the Night’s King. Do you think that stare down at the end of Hardhome was for naught? Screenwriters would never have a scene like that unless they were planning to come back to it at some point. If Jon survives then he’ll be destined to live unhappily ever after because if there’s one character that follows a clear storytelling path is Jon Snow.

  31. duvrov,

    Under normal circumstances (during summer), yes Dany could probably take the North. Though it wouldn’t be an easy task at all, especially if the North decided to deploy similar tactics as the Dornish. It would be a very long and bloody war. Not at all worth it for both sides.

    But these aren’t normal circumstances, winter is coming for them all. Dany and Jon will likely share a common enemy and they both strike me as rational people, both advised by a rational group of people that it would be comical for them to come to blows.

  32. duvrov,
    jon know his region perfection well….aegoin didn’t conquer westeros in winter…i don’t think the dragons,dotharki,dornishmen or unsullied can handle the cold and depsite thier power dragons can be killed with simple wave of arrows…if this resistence last long dany’s allies will problably propose a peace treaty…to end this needless conflict the north would be the dorne of aegon’s conqust

  33. This Jon and Dany hate is so incredibly silly; it’s completely fine, normal even, to dislike one or the other. But what I don’t understand is this need to belittle one in order to prop up the other

  34. Wow, I didn’t know so many people read TWOW and ADOS. Please lend me your advanced reader copies.

    dragonbringer,

    Nobody is checking for Dany meeting Arya and the Sand Snacks.

  35. taim,

    So what you are talking about reunion and iam talking about first meeting between two girls who had endured so much hardships..

    Flayed Potatoes,
    Not surprising since its not related to Jon or the north..

    But I do look forward to the meeting of arya and dany both in books and show.

  36. Jay Targ:
    This Jon and Dany hate is so incredibly silly; it’s completely fine, normal even, to dislike one or the other. But what I don’t understand is this need to belittle one in order to prop up the other

    Ha ha, what I don’t understand is why people would dislike either one or the other. I mean, come on people. This is a tv show and those are the “good guys”.What’s to dislike? I get not rooting for one or the other, but actually hate them as some do? It is kind of weird…

  37. Sou,

    LSH was a character that I never wanted to appear but I can admit, that she could have theoretically appeared in season 6 and even the producers dropped a couple hints, such as Thoros returning and the Brotherhood becoming more violent as Lem and his men brutally killed brother Ray and his people. But then, Beric appeared and LSH rumors were buried forever.

  38. dragonbringer,
    The ones I’m looking forward to the most are:
    – Arya and Cersei
    – Arya and Dany
    – Arya and Sansa
    – Arya and the Snakes
    – Sansa and Tyrion
    – Sansa and Dany
    – Dany and Sam.
    Whee! Some will be Season 8, though, probably.

  39. Looking forward to some Rory sightings. Sandor should have an important arc this season, though I expect it to be his swan song (whence, possibly, Sophie’s talk of hanging out with actors who won’t be back for S8). His knowledge of Littlefinger’s betrayal of Ned is as key to the Northern storyline as Bran’s discovery of Jon’s origins. Perhaps Jon will be skeptical of the Hound’s story until Bran confirms it (though Sansa would seem more likely to believe him, after the initial shock). We may see Bran developing better control over where/when he goes in his visions, so he can become Team North’s ‘fact-checker.’ In any case, Sandor has emotional ties to both Stark girls, and I strongly suspect that sacrificing himself for one or both of them (against wights, perhaps involving fire?) will be the culmination of his redemption story.

  40. Yaga,

    You know, not every character who’s left has to meet or reunite with all the other characters who are left, one by one like checking off boxes. How are Arya and Dany, Arya and Snakes, Sansa and Dany, Dany and Sam and so on needed to progress the story? How are they significant and impactful that the showrunners would spend the very limited time they have left on?

  41. I mean we had Jon and Brienne, Sansa and Mel, Jon and Podrick in the same place and never got to see them interact with each other. The showrunners will only focus on the character dynamics that they view as important.

  42. Flayed Potatoes,

    They could compare scars.

    Jon: “These are from where I was stabbed repeatedly to death”

    Beric: “Nice. This is from when the Hound practically chopped me in half”

    Jon: “Not bad. This is from when an eagle tried to claw my eyes out”

    Beric: “Oh, yeah? This is from where somebody did stab my eye out”

    Jon: “Well, this is from when I took on a White Walker in one-on-one combat and killed it”

    Beric: “Fair enough. You win.”

    Jon: “And I’ve seen the Melisandre naked.”

    Beric: “You know she’s actually a decrepit old woman, right?”

    Jon: “…”

  43. I’m hoping for a Jon and Arya reunion, too.
    I don’t want it to be a last minute thing at the very end of the show. I want some happy moments, some touching scenes between them. And maybe their direwolves, too. That would be an epic scene. 🙂

  44. icequinn,
    Well. In the particular order:
    – Arya and Dany: Arya can be the Stark in Dany’s camp, acting as one of the bridges between Dany and Jon.
    – Arya and the Snakes: Arya has had some connection with Dorne since Season 1. She named her wolf Nymeria, after all. Also, Dorne is the one place in Westeros where fighter women are truly accepted. So, meeting the Snakes could give Arya an idea what to do after the Apocalypse.
    – Sansa and Dany: Sansa has struggled all her life against men. Meeting Dany could be inspirational for her.
    – Dany and Sam: Sam can tell Dany about the White Walkers and point her North.

    I, on my part, don’t understand people who want to see Arya meet Jon. After all, what can be said there? ‘Hi, I missed you.’ ‘Hi, I missed you, too.’ The end. I mean, maybe there could be a bit of interesting drama in Jon not accepting Arya’s new identity as an assassin… but Jon will have more important things to do, plot-wise. So I don’t think he won’t accept it.

  45. Yaga,

    I can answer this. If you have read the books then you know there’s no relationship in all those novels that is more pure and loving than Jon and Arya. No two other characters miss each other and think about each other as often as Arya and Jon do. When she’s about to throw Needle away, she thinks she can’t do it because it represents all her loved ones and she specifically thinks to herself that Needle=Jon Snow’s smile. And all throughout the books, Arya keeps wishing for Jon and Jon does the same. Little sister. Of course it is completely understandable why people would be so eager for a Jon-Arya reunion.

  46. Oh! I just thought of another way to put it. It seems to me that Arya meeting Jon is all about the past – these characters used to love each other, and maybe some people want their reunion as a symbolic return of that? Meanwhile, I’d like to see interactions that are, for me, all about the future. Acknowledgement of all that has happened since that past.

  47. Yaga,

    Still not the character meetings the time-constrained plot needs. Especially Arya-Dany. Tyrion will be the bridge. There’s a reason he has met and befriended both of them, and is now Dany’s Hand/advisor. Arya-SSes is also unnecessary to the story and Arya’s arc. Sand Snakes will be gone by the 3rd episode at the latest. Arya’s not going south btw. And even if she were, it’d be far fetched for her to run into all the players there in the midst of all that chaos and war there.

  48. Danny,
    Yeah, I read the books and always rolled my eyes at the melodrama of these parts. Martin is at his worst when he wants to be emotional. People just don’t work that way. They don’t call things “X’s smile”. Have you ever, in your life, called something somebody’s smile? Because I sure didn’t. It’s… not just cringeworthy, it’s unrealistic.

  49. Tyrion is friends with both Jon and Daenerys. He is Dany’s right hand man. They are the Big Trinity, the Three-Headed Dragon. Tyrion will bring those two together (platonically or romantically, marriage or no marriage). It just fits. Although I’d prefer a conflict.

    Sansa and/or Arya meeting Dany is just their fans’ wishful thinking to see their faves interact and be buddies with the ‘cool’ Mother of Dragons.

  50. Yaga,

    For you maybe. People like different things, if we were all wired the same this would be a boring world. And I don’t agree with your assessment on Martin. I think he’s more cringe worthy with his repetitive one liners: “I am but a young girl, blah, blah, blah. Lancel, Kettleblack and Moonboy for all I know. Where do whores go?” Never have I ever wanted to murder fictional characters as much as when I heard those lines repeated over and over again. The “You know nothing, Jon Snow” was up there too but that at least was said by different characters and it became less grating after Ygritte died.

  51. icequinn,

    If Jon and Dany are supposed to have a conflict, they should marry first – otherwise they have too much in common.

    And as for Sansa meeting Dany, I bet she will be damned jealous to the Dragon Queen.

  52. I wonder about that casting call for Fierce Dothraki Warrior. It looks like he might be involved in filming at both Almodovar de Rio (November 1-12) and Trujillo (November 14 – December 15). That kind of wrecks my earlier predictions on what is going to be filmed at these locations but it’s hard to say
  53. Inga:
    icequinn,

    If Jon and Dany are supposed to have a conflict, they should marry first – otherwise they have too much in common.

    And as for Sansa meeting Dany, I bet she will be damned jealous to the Dragon Queen.

    jealous of what?her power?i don’t think she desire it….jon’s (possible) affection ? i don’t think sansa wanted it when jon offered it in both their childhood and season 6… and by why sophie turner sansa seems to taker his brotherly nature as a weakness : )

  54. The only reunion I have to see is Jon and Arya. I don’t want it to be similar to the Jon and Sansa reunion though. The simplicity of that was nice, emotional, and perfect for those two. It’s not good enough though for Arya to just stroll into Winterfell saying, “Hey Jon. This is good soup.” He’s been told that Arya (and Bran) have been seen alive but has no proof that they still are so it has to be more of a surprise. I keep coming back to the idea of him first seeing her disguised as a young man. Perhaps he witnesses “him” expertly defeating much larger men in a battle or “he” saves Jon’s life in some impressive fashion and afterward Jon notices “he” is carrying Needle. She reveals herself and Jon proudly sees that the little girl he last saw when he gave her the sword has grown into a fighter that knows how to use it. Watching that goodbye scene in s1e2 makes it impossible to not want to see them together again.

  55. LOL at the thought of Dany going against Jon. There is a reason why Tyrion traveled with and befriend Jon in Season 1. To develop a bond that will be useful when Dany hears of Jon’s rise in the North. No way will Tyrion advise Dany to take out Jon. Not happening.

  56. Yaga:
    Oh! I just thought of another way to put it. It seems to me that Arya meeting Jon is all about the past – these characters used to love each other, and maybe some people want their reunion as a symbolic return of that? Meanwhile, I’d like to see interactions that are, for me, all about the future. Acknowledgement of all that has happened since that past.

    I feel the same way. Arya and Jon’s reunion is the last one i want to see because i feel like every other reunion would be more interesting.. Sansa/Tyrion, Jaime/Tyrion, Arya/Sandor…. Even Arya/Sansa would be better than Jon/Arya.

  57. wanderer:
    LOL at the thought of Dany going against Jon. There is a reason why Tyrion traveled with and befriend Jon in Season 1. To develop a bond that will be useful when Dany hears of Jon’s rise in the North. No way will Tyrion advise Dany to take out Jon. Not happening.

    Correct. We should also remember that Daenerys’ “break the wheel” conversation was one of the first she had with Tyrion, prior to really receiving his counsel or trusting it. Her thinking all along to that point is that she was going to need to sweep Westeros and forcefully take it. She’s learned to consider his wisdom, such as attempting the peaceful, diplomatic path first. Upon Tyrion learning that Jon is “in charge” of The North he will know that Jon has no aspirations of ruling Westeros. A simple meeting between Tyrion, Dany and Jon should prevent any battle, especially when she is shown proof of the dangers beyond The Wall. This is why I think the Daenerys and Jon storylines will or should remain mostly separate until late in S7 when those dangers become very real to all of Westeros.

  58. Jay Targ
    Totally agree with you.

    I am one of those who likes one more than the other, but I still think that the insteresting thing would be for them to try to strike some sort of an alliance given the circumstances and the maneuverings of those who stand around them (Tyrion might talk in favor of Jon, but Varys might discredit him, given Sansa and specially LF’s involvement, and viceversa). Probably Dothraki will be hard to control, and that is going to create problems with Westerosi people.

    If it becomes a black and white type of confrontation (or love affair, as others are suggesting) it would be so un-GoT-like.

  59. taim,

    She can easily handle the north, She has massive navy to transport her army and Tyrells can supply winter equipment, i guess each on own i find Jon Snow boring weak gloomy moron ,

  60. Danny,
    NK killing Jon Snow would be lame , it would be more awesome if Daenerys kills him also she have to be fair and destroy both rebels

  61. I can’t wait for Sandor to never meet Sansa again. Or die for anyone but himself. ? Although I would love to see him meet Tormund, it’d be pretty fun to see his reaction to Tormund ogling the ‘dumb bitch’ who almost killed him. Who knows, he may even develop a grudging but completely silent respect for her.

    Come to think of it, I’d love to see some of the ‘rescued’ characters become active in doing their bit for others. Theon already saved Sansa, but perhaps he could save Yara, who previously made the attempt to rescue him. Sandor protected Arya, perhaps she could get him out of a pinch. Dany could find Jorah’s cure (ok, that’s reaching a bit far). Maybe Tyrion could. ? Gendry could come swooping in and get Davos out of a dangerous situation with his Popeye arms….

  62. duvrov,

    Like for sure. Like totally awesome. Like the world has never seem such awesomeness! But you know what? It would be better if Dustin from Stranger Things kills the NK as he is mega awesome!

  63. Pigeon,

    You know who I hope never meet? Sandor and Drogon, or Sandor and Rhaegal or Sandor and Vyserion. Poor Sandor, imagine how paralyze he would get in front of a fire breathing lizard! He’s going to be like “Fuck the White Walkers,” as he takes a hike and leaves for Essos.

  64. Danny:
    Pigeon,

    You know who I hope never meet?Sandor and Drogon, or Sandor and Rhaegal or Sandor and Vyserion.Poor Sandor, imagine how paralyze he would get in front of a fire breathing lizard!He’s going to be like “Fuck the White Walkers,” as he takes a hike and leaves for Essos.

    LOL. I can just see his expression.

    Mind you, maybe his destiny is to learn to embrace what he fears and use it as armor. Like Batman. Or something. ?

  65. There are so many points of possible intersection, and so many points of potential conflict as things draw to a close.For instance Arya regards certain people as enemies: So Jaime Lannister, Cersei, Mel, are all on her list, and she is still wary of Brienne and may still be angry with Beric, etc. Brienne is close to Jaime. Jaime is on Jon’s enemies list for sure, Bran’s too more than likely, and Dany’s list, of course.

    I have a feeling Arya, The Hound, the Brotherhood, Brienne & Podrick will all converge in the Riverlands. Jaime may also have to go there because Walder Frey and his sons are dead, etc. Littlefinger has betrayed the Lannisters, etc. I think there will be a lot of action in the Riverlands this season.

    It may be that the Brotherhood + Arya, Brienne & Pod end up at Winterfell. IMO, it would be sort of nice symmetry for Brienne to show up with yet another Stark. I Also wonder if Brienne would ever convince Jaime to support Jon against Littlefinger. Now THAT would be something. Jon could act smart, and let Littlefinger fight Jaime, then come in and defeat whoever is left.

    My one prediction is that I think we have Jaime, Brienne, & Podrick to worry about this Season along with Theon. I don’t see Dany getting to King’s Landing until the end of Season 7.
    I have to wonder if Dany will spend time dealing with Euron along with Theon & Arya.
    Also wonder how Jon feels about Theon.

  66. Clob wrote:
    “The only reunion I have to see is Jon and Arya. I don’t want it to be similar to the Jon and Sansa reunion though. The simplicity of that was nice, emotional, and perfect for those two. It’s not good enough though for Arya to just stroll into Winterfell saying, “Hey Jon. This is good soup.” [good stuff deleted] Watching that goodbye scene in s1e2 makes it impossible to not want to see them together again.”

    Clob, I could not agree more. By next year, it will be 7 years since we saw the single deepest, purest love between two family members (except Ned and Cat) in the entire series. This will become the most emotionally satisfying scene in years. Jon (and the others’) reunion with Bran will be almost as good, but overshadowed by Bran’s news. Maisie speculated (I think before receiving S7 scripts) that Jon might not quite accept and respect little Arya’s achievements. But if D&D let them spend a few episodes together, he probably will. Especially if he takes military advantage of her dismantling of the Frey hegemony.

  67. The only army that can take on Littlefinger would be the Lannister army. Jon may need to figure out how to make that happen. Of course Bran & Arya will go crazy and Sansa won’t be too happy either.

  68. Danny,

    He will fight NK but don’t say he will be winning the fight onhis own ..

    You mentioned hardhome…that episode ended with slaughter and hopelessness
    You know what gave the hope ..the ending scene of the next episode

    And his only surprise element of valyrian steel is now out so he doesn’t have anything on his sleeve..

    The one thing that I always dislike in the speculation is that north is this mighty place that can’t be defeated and challenged..
    North is most severely damaged and diminished in numbers due to the wars they have been fighting…winter will not help them either..they will also be affected by winter they are not immune to it..

    If they want a chance to be stay alive they want the help of south and dany ….so I hope the north and Jon have more brain and know how one who is looking for help must act …and not act like dicks like the fans want them to be..

    People always act as if south is the only one that doesn’t believe in WW but the truth is no from the south of the wall believed in WW and not even a single Lord of North went to help

  69. Danny,
    Actually, in the meantime I thought of another more cringeworthy thing…. when Martin tries to preach the horror of war. If I want to have a look at it, I can read news about Syria and Assad’s secret prisons, or any other dictator’s playgrounds, or even Gitmo. Or I can visit the remains of death camps and killing camps from any previous war. I can read Hannah Arendt. Mark Edelman. I can read Conversations with the Executioner or maybe This Way To The Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen. All of which were parts of my high school curriculum. I don’t need my fantasy written by a conscious objector – which means to me a person who hasn’t had a firsthand experience of war – to preach to me.

    Clob,
    I’m not looking forward to Arya/Jon (or at least what most people think Arya/Jon will look like), but I’m sincerely interested: how do you think Jon will react if Arya proposes cooking someone, and states that ‘it’s no problem, done it already?’

  70. Yaga,

    Who would Arya cook at Winterfell? Unless Mel turns up out of nowhere and goes “Surprise, I am back” . 🙂 .
    The reply to your question would be that he would oppose it. I don’t know how the show will handle it, but what I would like to see is that while he may be saddened by what motivates Arya now, at least he would understand how she turned this way. What I definitely dread seeing is “Jon looks at her like his little sister that she was and can’t see her for what she is.” , i.e., a rehash of Jon and Sansa (like Maisie suggested).

    Jon was the one who had a sword made for a 11 year old girl. He told her “stick ’em with the pointy end” . He would know that Arya has had to survive on her own for the last 5 years and unless Jon is completely blind and oblivious to the world he lives in and lives in a fantasy world in his head, he has to know that a person can’t survive a war torn Westeros without changing them beyond recognition. Any expectation that Jon would see Arya as just his little sister is a complete disservice to his character.
    I can understand him being bewildered by her at first, but at the very least I want him to accept that she is what she is. And then deal with it.
    He will still oppose her in any plans she has for cooking people, but any such conflict of interest can be shown with at least a basic understanding of each other, imo.

    This is what I would like to see, no idea what will actually happen.

  71. ghost of winterfell,
    But you said yourself that Jon had problems accepting the evolution of Sansa, the sister he didn’t have an emotional connection to and so never had an idealised past image of. What makes you think he would have less of a problem with Arya?

    I think that a lot of people wanting Jon/Arya are deluding themselves that it would be just like the ‘good old times’. That’s cheap sentimentality, and I hope that the show is better than that.

    Although mostly, I think that Jon’s coming plot will be mainly about his role as an anti-White Walker weapon, since that is THE most important stuff about him – so all the rehashing emotions would come at the expense of Arya’s character development. The moment Arya meets Jon, she will lose her own plot and become a supporting character to Jon, since he’s the more important character. (It isn’t so with Sansa, since her own plot in the person of Littlefinger is still right there, with her… but Cersei won’t follow Arya to Winterfell.) So, obviously, that’s the main reason why I want to delay the Jon-Arya meeting for as long as possible: to avoid relegating Arya to just being a support to Jon. And, if possible, I’d also like to avoid the relationship as much as possible even after the meeting happens, in favour of Arya forging new relations… with Sam, Sansa, Dany, Brienne… the Snakes. Otherwise, she’ll continue to be incredibly isolated.

  72. Roz’s Ghost,

    if jon meet theon he would problalbly kill hil at the first sight theon himself said that going to the wall will be suicide since he know jon would kill him….he kill twho innocent children,betray robb ,kill their masyter at arms….jon would two solution for him… the wall or the sword but wouod never let walking around and go home…

  73. lord of blogfell,

    i agree i don’t think jon welcome theon with open arms…season 6 prove us that jon is not a forgiving person,i don’t think jon would have let theon gop back to iron island…and the fact that he became theon again doesn’t help him…the most non-aggresive move he could do would be sending theon to the wall…

  74. Yaga,

    There is a difference. There was nothing to suggest that Jon fundamentally misunderstood Sansa. What he underestimated was her ability to give meaningful advice in a battle situation. He had no means to anticipate the lessons that Sansa had learned. Him being unable to accept Arya’s changes would mean that he is unable to see the fundamental, core changes in her, which would just make him appear dense.
    Besides, it would feel like retreading old ground. Having seen how Sansa has changed, easier acceptance of changes in Arya seems like natural progression, imo.
    You asked how would he react to the fact that she has cooked people. Well, he seemed to have no problem with the fact that Sansa fed Ramsay to the dogs. In fact, D&D have explicitly stated that the reason Jon stopped punching Ramsay to death was because he wanted Sansa to have her kill. And it was more than likely that he knew what she was going to do beforehand as she would have had to arrange for the dogs to be brought to Ramsay. So it is not unlikely that he could understand Arya’s desire for revenge. An important fact being that Arya doesn’t seem interested in cooking anybody who have not harmed her family. I am not suggesting that everything will be roses and sunshine with them, but there is no need to go with the “Jon only sees his little sister” angle too.
    Yeah, I agree any meeting between them is not going to be about the good old times. They will have to face what they are today.
    Again I agree, I don’t see how Arya’s story will progress once she re-unites with Jon, that’s why I feel it will be delayed till the end of S7 at least. Unless of course Arya is meant to die next season, which I don’t really think will happen (I definitely hope it doesn’t). I feel she will have some important part to play in the fight against the WWs.
    I think they showed her eyeing Jaime at the Twins for a reason. She will head to KL before going back north, imo.

  75. Apologies if this has been mentioned before but NCW is confirming reunions.

    “Variety also spoke with Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, who said that more of the show’s main characters are going to begin running into one another:

    “We started seeing it in Season 6; characters that met in the first episode of Season 1 are now meeting again and you’re going to see that start happening more.”

    http://bgr.com/2016/09/21/game-of-thrones-season-7-spoilers-sansa-stark/

    Tyrion meeting Jon and/or Bran again maybe? I still say Tyrion, for no obvious reason, engaged with Jon by taking a trip to the Wall in Season 1 apparently just for the hell of it and then designed Bran a saddle and popped into Winterfell knowing he would hardly be welcome. Both Bran and Jon have been shown kindness by Tyrion, so I tend to think it’s foreshadowing an encounter later.

  76. Yaga:
    Danny,
    Yeah, I read the books and always rolled my eyes at the melodrama of these parts. Martin is at his worst when he wants to be emotional. People just don’t work that way. They don’t call things “X’s smile”. Have you ever, in your life, called something somebody’s smile? Because I sure didn’t. It’s… not just cringeworthy, it’s unrealistic.

    You are aware of the concept of metaphor in literature? The whole point of literature and poetry is to paint a picture with words so of course it doesn’t reflect the way people speak in real life – this is not documentary or reportage.

    I’d be amongst the last readers to defend everything GRRM writes as genius, but that passage with Arya’s inner conflict on attempting to discard Needle is one of the very best pieces of writing in AFFC, IMO. And brilliantly realised by the Director and MW in the show.

  77. When it comes to dothraki or dany iam afraid people doesn’t really understand the full implications of the scenes that happened in episode 4 and 6 and only take it as Negative one because of their hatred towards the storyline and character..

    Dany specifically mentions how all the khals are small men who only thinking about how many girlsthey will rape and villages they will raid..
    She burns everyone of them and comes out of the fire alive and unburnt…

    Now you guys may not like the scene or find it not believable or whatever reason it may be..

    But in the story inside the universe its a magical thing that doesn’t happen all the time…they all admire and follow and view this person as god .
    With that single act she has united all the dothraki and bow in front of her in awe..

    Now to episode 6 – Everyone has talked about the speech and jack bender made a coent about Hitler and all ..

    But no one wanted to speak about the certain aspects dany as removed from the speech namely rape and enslave ..

    Or what it means to be naming every dothraki as Blood of my Blood ..
    A bloodrider is very Important position in dothraki culture …once one has been made a blood rider he will do whatever his khal says and even to jump on the fire and so if dany says no rape then they will not do it ..

    If you want to kill all dothraki just kill dany they will die along with their bloodrider..This will make all the haters happy I know …

    They have taken a female as their leader and they have crossed poison water for her and after all they are now working on the words of their prophecy that the TSWMTW will lead them to end of world when the ghost grass falls on the earth..
    And dany is taking them to end of the world when winter comes and to fight in war of dawn…

    I Guess the show is also a part to blame since they have not shown single perspective from dothraki after they start following dany ..I only hope we get some scenes next seasons which shows us this ..

    What am trying to say is hate or dislike a character or storyline as you want ..its completely your right but do not try to diminish their part in the story and how big their part will be or wants things to be happen out of character or characters making foolish and stupid decision just so that your favorite character will be the last man standing ..
    And this applies to all the characters

  78. Halfman,

    Yess I can’t wait for Tyrion and Jon to meet again.He is the best channel to introduce Jon and to Dany and it will be so interesting to see how they interact now after everything.Maybe he means Jon and Bran or Jon and Arya.They also haven’t met since ep 1 and 2.

  79. You know the Dothraki are kind of one dimensional but I must say that I will take them over the Sand Snakes. I think regardless of what any of us FEEL about any of these characters we all have to admit the times have changed now and everyone is going to have a part to play in the final two seasons.

    I also believe we are at a point where character arcs have to merge. Tyrion, Jon, Bran, Arya, Sandor, Brienne, Dany, Jaime, Cersei and Euron (unfortunately). I’m pretty sure that Dany will not make a grand entrance into Kings Landing. Unfortunately, Euron and Cersei are going to stand in her way and how much devastation is wrought remains to be seen. Like the wolves, I will hate to see the dragons disappear.

    Not mentioned as a reunion here is Arya and Nymeria. I am hoping beyond hope that GOT will bring those two back together. More so than her and Jon. I truly believe that bringing her together with her wolf we finally give her an anchor as to who she is and where she goes from here. Course, I’m seldom right so who knows…lol.

  80. Halfman,
    Arya meeting Jaime, for a given value of ‘are meeting’ (this has already happened).

    ghost of winterfell,
    Oh, so we actually agree on many points, although we come to them from different directions. Neat!

    Ser Not Appearing in this Series,
    Ehh. Here’re some quotes by my favourite authors:
    Nietzsche: “One must have still chaos within oneself to give birth to a dancing star.”
    Conrad: “Droll thing life is — that mysterious arrangement of merciless logic for a futile purpose. The most you can hope from it is some knowledge of yourself — that comes too late — a crop of unextinguishable regrets. I have wrestled with death. It is the most unexciting contest you can imagine. It takes place in an impalpable grayness, with nothing underfoot, with nothing around, without spectators, without clamor, without glory, without the great desire of victory, without the great fear of defeat, in a sickly atmosphere of tepid skepticism, without much belief in your own right, and still less in that of your adversary. If such is the form of ultimate wisdom, then life is a greater riddle than some of us think it to be.”
    Herbert: “Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

    There’s just… a qualitative difference between these and “Needle was Jon Snow’s smile”, don’t you think?

  81. Halfman,

    NCW:

    “We started seeing it in Season 6; characters that met in the first episode of Season 1 are now meeting again and you’re going to see that start happening more.”

    I know he’s not necessarily talking literally about characters who met in episode 1 of season 1, but even taking his comment loosely that could mean:

    Jon + Tyrion
    Bran + Jon/Sansa
    The Hound + Sansa
    Jaime + Jon (“A sword for the Wall? … Have you swung it yet? … Let me thank you, ahead of time, for guarding us all from the perils beyond the Wall. Wildlings and White Walkers and whatnot. We’re grateful to have good, strong men like you protecting us”)
    Arya + Cersei

    Personally, I’d love to see all of those reunions.

    But I’d especially love to see Jon and Jaime meet again. Especially after what Ramsay said about Jon last season (“The way people in the North talk about you you’re the greatest swordsman that ever walked”).

    It’d be great to see Jaime come face to face with “the greatest swordsman that ever walked”™ who he mocked and goaded all that time ago. Especially if they were forced to come together to fight the White Walkers, who he joked about Jon defending the Seven Kingdoms against.

    I’m not sure under what circumstances it would happen. It’s probably quite unlikely. Although, Jaime should end up with Widow’s Wail, so it’s possible he could end up fighting the White Walkers. But I’d love to see he and Jon square off again.

  82. lord of blogfell,

    Tormund killed women and children and brothers of the Night’s Watch.

    He’s now one of Jon’s closest friends and allies, mainly due to them being forced together out of necessity.

    If Theon is going to play a role in the battles to defend the Seven Kingdoms against the White Walkers then I think Jon would overlook his crimes temporarily.

    Although, as with Melisandre, he might insist once the war is over that Theon never return to the North or he’d face execution for his crimes.

    There may not be a Wall or a Night’s Watch left at the end of the show for Jon to banish Theon to anyway.

  83. dragonbringer,

    When did I say Jon was going to defeat the Night’s King all by his lonesome self? That you interpret that from me saying that Night’s King is Jon’s fight is all on you and your tendency to act all reactionary when you perceive someone is attacking your favorite character, not on me. The Night’s King is Jon’s fight and Bran’s (and Arya’s and Sansa’s and Benjen’s) because they are Starks. Other people will help, including, I imagine, the Lannister brothers along with Dany and her army but no one is associated with Winter as are the Starks. It is funny that you always jump at people for perceived offenses against Dany yet you like to belittle Jon as much. I particular don’t hate Dany though she doesn’t rank on my top 6 but I want a good ending for her, be it the Iron Throne if she wants it so much but I have serious reservations about some of the stuff she has chosen to do. If you find those same things admirable and logical so be it, people have different perspectives about what is right or wrong.

  84. Yaga,

    Because Arya, a girl of 11, would definitely have thoughts more aligned with “One must have still chaos within oneself to give birth to a dancing star” rather than a simple “Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell’s grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan’s stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow’s smile. He used to mess my hair and call me “little sister,” she remembered, and suddenly there were tears in her eyes.”

  85. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

    A lot will depend on Bran too. I assume that Jon will meet Bran before both of them meet Theon, and if Bran will be ready to forgive him (and I think he will, because by pushing him through the window Jamie set him onto a new and probably a better path), than Jon will be ready to open a new page. And Sansa will advocate Theon too.
    However, I don’t have much hope for them to meet. I expect Theon to be captured by Euron and go through another round of tortures – only he won’t be broken this time.

  86. Danny,

    Arya and sansa and benjen then Jamie and tyrion and then comes dany…

    I guess that in itself explains well what iam speaking about ..

    She wants IT most ..that is not true at all

    Please do show me where I belittled Jon …

    And i have said its wrong when dany does something wrong and admitted most of her mistakes ..
    So give me a break..

  87. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

    I agree. Jaime and Jon is one of my most anticipated meetings. With the added factor that Jaime always felt guilty for having failed to save Rhaegar’s children. The show has made no mention of it, but I hope they touch on it if and when they meet.

  88. ghost of winterfell:
    Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

    I agree. Jaime and Jon is one of my most anticipated meetings. With the added factor that Jaime always felt guilty for having failed to save Rhaegar’s children. The show has made no mention of it, but I hope they touch on it if and when they meet.

    Yeah, this and their scene in 102 are the main reasons I want a Jon/Jaime reunion. I also feel that Jon needs someone to tell him about who Rhaegar was and what he was like as a person; someone who was in KL prior to Robert’s Rebellion. Jaime could fill that role.

    It isn’t a shocker to think that characters who previously interacted will meet again; the plot lines that diverged in seasons past are now coming back together, as shown in season six, and I see no reason why that wouldn’t continue. What will be interesting is seeing how the experiences these characters have gone through in the interim affects how they interact in those reunions.

  89. Danny:
    Yaga,

    Because Arya, a girl of 11, would definitely have thoughts more aligned with “One must have still chaos within oneself to give birth to a dancing star” rather than a simple “Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell’s grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan’s stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow’s smile. He used to mess my hair and call me “little sister,” she remembered, and suddenly there were tears in her eyes.”

    +1

    Lovely prose. And I’m as quick as anyone to cringe at some of the other efforts in FeastDance. which looks as if it were written by an 11 year old.

  90. dragonbringer,

    Is it the order in which I named characters that bothers you so much? That is what I meant by you perceiving things that I didn’t intend on my writing. I named the Lannisters first just to indicate that I am aware that many other characters even the ones one would not expect (like Jamie) will also have a part to play in the real war. I didn’t mean to say that either Tyrion or Jamie have a bigger role than Dany, given her dragons and size of her armies that can’t possibly be true. We all know that. As for her wanting the throne, let’s leave it at that because Dany has been playing that tune for a long time, just like Stannis. Both of whom had logical arguments in their favor. And again I didn’t say that that is the one thing she wants more than anything else in the world. I said she wanted it so and that I don’t think is arguable. She wants it, whatever her reasons or her motivations, she wants it. All I said is that she was welcome to it. Other may not agree, I personally don’t care who sits the Iron Throne, the position is rotten to begin with. I perhaps would be sad if Jon ends up with it because we all know he would hate it.

  91. Danny:
    Yaga,

    Because Arya, a girl of 11, would definitely have thoughts more aligned with “One must have still chaos within oneself to give birth to a dancing star” rather than a simple “Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell’s grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan’s stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow’s smile. He used to mess my hair and call me “little sister,” she remembered, and suddenly there were tears in her eyes.”

    Exactly. And Maisie portrayed those thoughts so perfectly in her expression when Arya was debating having to throw Needle in the water. A favourite moment of mine. ☺

  92. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man

    I’m with you on all of those. The common denominator being Jon. Having been holed up at the Wall and beyond and now in Winterfell, surely his character has huge significance in the wars to come. All the TOJ revelations are not there as filler. North meets South so to speak. Given the ultimate threat is the WW looking to destroy the world of men, surely the reunion of some of these lead characters is inevitable to progress the story.

    Can’t wait!!

  93. Priscila,

    The dothraki (Dany), the mountain clans (Tyrion) and the wildlings (Jon) are all wild for Westeros standards, but don´t forget they had a fucking family whose sigil was a flayed man that was followed by most the honourable noble houses of the noble North without question.

    There you go! The Wildlings are a counterpart to the Dothraki in that everyone calls them savages. But, as the High Sparrow noted, even savages who don’t speak the tongue can show the Mother’s mercy…paraphrase.

  94. Danny,

    I will admit I have a tendency to precieve things most of the time..

    But that doesn’t mean what I was speaking about does not happen…this fandom likes to keep up that north and Jon is superior to everyone ..

    Just because people want to take the throne doesn’t mean they are bad and it has always been mentioned as a bad thing and compare with Jon snow claiming he is only one fighting real threat and sees it but never once bringing the facts how they have been brought up differently one is bastard born who is brought up telling him he can’t inherit any thing and only place he can rise high is in NW and other is an exiled princess who wants take back what their family lost..

    I get accused most of the time I hate Jon and post hateful comments about him or belittle him…but I never do that .I view both Jon and dany as same …and its when people start acting Jon is superior over other is what I never agree up on ..all i have been doing is to tell how they both are same ..

  95. I’m eagerly anticipating all kinds of reunions next season. So many potentially “juicy” ones!

    First of all, Dany and just about anybody in Westeros – yay! She finally made it! One very interesting one would be Dany and Jaime – I hope he doesn’t instantly become dragonfood. In the show, Tyrion has already told Dany why Jaime killed the Mad King, and Tyrion owes Jaime one for saving his life. Then there’s of course the aunty – nephew meet (whether Dany and Jon know about their blood relation or not. It could be as leaders of the south and the North), though that might be S8 stuff.

    There are so many potential meet-ups in the Riverlands: the Brotherhood, Sandor, Arya, Brienne, Pod, Mel… It could be very interesting.

    Stark reunions, of course. Bran telling Jon about his parentage… The closest big brother and little sister (cousins, actually)… The sisters! They both have been though so much, will they be able to put childish squabbles behind them and be the sisters Ned wanted them to be?

    Also, Bran and Jaime would be interesting (would Bran be able to forgive Jaime, as his brutal act helped make Bran what he is today), as would Jon and Jaime (in light of their encounter in S1, and the fact that Jaime knew Rhaegar and, in the books, regrets that he wasn’t able to protect Rhaegar’s children), though I don’t know what will happen to Jaime and Cersei. The Mad Queen is his to kill but after that? I could see him going North to fight the real war. He’d probably have Joff’s/Tommen’s Valyrian steel sword, and there’s the Rhaegar’s last remaining child thing and he’s desperate to reclaim some honour… I really wish for another Jaime/Brienne encounter, though I don’t think they’ll have a happy ending. 🙁

  96. AlexG:
    Alba Stark,

    I would love a Jon and Jaime reunion…what would Jaime say to Jon,now that the tables have turned?

    Though it would certainly be a far more contrite Jaime, I’m not entirely sure what he would say – given that Jon is now a king, I would guess that it would be him that controls the direction of the conversation. I just have this image in my head of Jaime in a cell somewhere in Winterfell (calling back to when he was Robb’s prisoner) and Jon going to speak to him, asking if after all he has done there is anything he actually feels guilty about. Which could lead into a conversation regarding Jaime feeling guilty for not protecting Rhaegar’s children.

    Actually – going back to the idea of reflecting Jaime’s situation as Jon’s prisoner, it would be interesting to have Jaime repeat some of the sentiments from the conversation he has in 207 with Catelyn. I guess if Jon and Jaime were to meet in season seven, it would have to be near the end. Too much needs to happen in KL, I feel, before Jaime would head north.

  97. I have this fantasy where I keep hoping that somehow Jaime and Jon Snow become allies so that they can deal with Littlefinger and also for when/if Jaime dies it will be with honor, battling White Walkers.

    As for Jon & Arya, I agree with the observations earlier that she had to survive, and is changed, and that Jon will have to see that. They can’t write his character as being that damned dense.

    I also agree that Jon would have no problem with Arya killing the Freys as revenge. None at all. But I think what Jon would be stunned to discover, is that Arya has become a trained assassin. That she went to Braavos and lived with the Faceless Men and learned their craft.

    She may not even tell them. It may be that Bran discovers it though visions. He is learning a lot right now, but it strikes me as odd he hasn’t yet seemed interested in using his abilities to find out what happened to his family. If he does he’ll find Littlefinger betrayed Ned, etc.

    As for Arya, Brienne knows Arya was traveling with the Hound, and was not his prisoner. Hopefully she’ll make it back to Winterfell with Podrick. Sansa knows the Hound too. It would be easy for Sansa to think Arya killed the Freys because The Hound taught her to kill, but we know how wrong that would be.

    As I think about it, Tyrion is the one character who seems to get along with most of the others. Certainly Bran & Jon, Sansa, he’s made peace with the Greyjoys, Dany. Olenna, Varys, etc.

    The only ones who are on Tyrion’s hit list list are Cersei and Littlefinger. Hopefully Jaime will forgive him. Podrick will make sure Brienne knows Tyrion’s a decent man.

    I hope we don’t see the death of people like Pod and Bron. I want them & Ser Davos, Dolorous Edd, & Tormund to get through this.

    I wonder if it is possible that Samwell might find a way at the Citadel, to turn the ARmy of the Dead back into normal people or stop the reanimation of dead people. Break the spell or whatever it is that gives the Night King power to reanimate the dead.

  98. Roz’s Ghost,

    Yeah, I like your points. Especially the one about Tyrion being so pivotal. He’s the only one who actually has met and knows all the major players at this stage.

    Let’s see. He befriended and sort of mentored Jon. He helped Bran with the special saddle. He used his position as Hand of the King to protect Sansa and was kind to her after they were forced into marriage. No connection with Arya that I can think of, unless convolutedly through Sandor (Sandor tried to protect Tyrion and his big mouth from Joffrey). Tyrion and Jaime of course share a very strong brotherly love bond. Tyrion is Dany’s chief advisor. Have I missed anything?

    In the books,

    Moqorro, a red priest on their way to Meereen, tells Tyrion of a vision: dragons, true and false, snarling and snapping and fighting, and a small man with a big shadow in the middle of it all.

    Tyrion is crucial to the end game. I hope D&D can now – since Dany is finally coming to Westeros – write brilliant, bad-ass things for him like they did in the first couple of seasons.

  99. talvikorppi: Bran and Jaime would be interesting (would Bran be able to forgive Jaime, as his brutal act helped make Bran what he is today), as would Jon and Jaime (in light of their encounter in S1, and the fact that Jaime knew Rhaegar and, in the books, regrets that he wasn’t able to protect Rhaegar’s children)

    Alba Stark: I just have this image in my head of Jaime in a cell somewhere in Winterfell (calling back to when he was Robb’s prisoner) and Jon going to speak to him, asking if after all he has done there is anything he actually feels guilty about.

    If Jon captures Jaime and has to decide what to do with him, I would love to see a visual callback to the scenes where Jaime was Robb’s/Cat’s prisoner – similarly staged and framed, but this time, introspective and honest about himself instead of arrogant. It would be a good opportunity to illustrate that he has changed in a deep way (and, I hope, finally gotten Cersei’s hooks out from under his skin). All the better if Brienne could be nearby, the catalyst for his dropping his accustomed ‘There are no men like me’ bravado.

    The Bran/Jaime dynamic should be very interesting indeed. Bran keeps getting flashes of his fall, but the full memory still eludes him, I believe. If he is taking increasing control over the destinations of his visions, he will be able to recall what exactly he saw in the Broken Tower and what Jaime did. Inherently forgivable, as part of Bran’s destiny? Or will Jaime have to make it up to him big-time? I could see worse ways for Jaime’s arc to end than dying to rescue immobilized Bran from an onslaught of wights, even if it’s not what we’ve been expecting due to the Valonqar Prophecy and the ‘I want to die in the arms of the woman I love’ bit. (Here’s another place where Brienne could prove handy, of course. And if Bronn should also be on hand for the battles against the WW, Jaime’s dying words to him could be ‘I got my wish after all’ – and Bronn would get it, though Brienne wouldn’t.)

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